From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 1 00:39:11 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:39:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] skype on k12?? In-Reply-To: <1259.200.149.217.165.1107210745.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> References: <1259.200.149.217.165.1107210745.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <41FECFAF.4060807@paasda.org> I'm doing it now... not sure how it works with clients =) --Huck Ramon wrote: >anyone ever made this happen?? if you did please tell me how, I need it. > >I have tried to make sound work and still does not. >Server mother board: a7v8xx >clients: a7v400mx, a7n8xx > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Feb 1 00:47:49 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:17:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto setup server with 3 Nics? In-Reply-To: <20050131083449.4c6c5416@trunks> References: <20050131083449.4c6c5416@trunks> Message-ID: <1107218869.3119.4.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 08:34 -1000, Wilson Chan wrote: > Im trying to setup a 12 client LTSP server to use (2) nic's to handle traffic to the clients. I dont want to do bonding since my cheapo switches cant handle it. I plan on using one nic for 6 clients on one 8port switch and the other 6 clients on another 8port switch. This will surely yeild me more throughput to the server then with one 100mbit nic. Any instructions on howto do this? Thanks! > Wilson, Seems to be overkill. Are you sure that bottleneck is the network? With 12 clients normally a single NIC should be sufficient. In my setup I run 20+ clients at all times using single NIC for LTSP. With the users working my monitoring of network traffic with iptraf or such does not show network congestion anywhere on the LTSP NIC. Maybe if you are running heavy video/audio applications... Just my $0.02 worth. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 1 01:17:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:17:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41FED8A0.1030906@paasda.org> I have a setup with 20 tc's, 25 windows machines using smb to talk to home dirs, 10 macs using atalk to talk to home dirs, and 30 concurrent users at any given point in time. Total number of users 240, just met others at a conference who have a number of K12LTSP sites going as well, most of whom don't follow this list though(I chided them thoroughly) --Huck Bryant Patten wrote: > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and > realized I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average > number of users on an installation so we could give out the total > number of people using it on a given day. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 01:25:44 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Report says apache is both on and off Message-ID: <1761a09805013117258963f2d@mail.gmail.com> Can someone tell me how to fix the mess I made or should I just start over with a new os install. I've got multiple apache installs. I can turn it off and it says it is runnung. I turn it on and it says it was off. Here is the log. I hope I didn't post too much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [root at server lampp]# stop bash: stop: command not found [root at server lampp]# ./lampp stop Stopping XAMPP for Linux 1.4.11... XAMPP: XAMPP-Apache is not running. XAMPP: Stopping MySQL... XAMPP: Stopping ProFTPD... XAMPP stopped. [root at server lampp]# ./lampp start Starting XAMPP for Linux 1.4.11... XAMPP: An Apache daemon is already running. XAMPP: Starting MySQL... XAMPP: Starting ProFTPD... XAMPP for Linux started. [root at server lampp]# stop apache bash: stop: command not found [root at server lampp]# stopapache bash: stopapache: command not found [root at server lampp]# ./lamp stopapache bash: ./lamp: No such file or directory [root at server lampp]# ./lampp stopapache XAMPP: XAMPP-Apache is not running. [root at server lampp]# ./lampp startapache XAMPP: An Apache daemon is already running. [root at server lampp]# ,/lampp stopapache bash: ,/lampp: No such file or directory [root at server lampp]# ./lampp stopapache XAMPP: XAMPP-Apache is not running. [root at server lampp]# rpm -qa |grep php php-mysql-4.3.10-3.2 php-4.3.10-3.2 php-pear-4.3.10-3.2 [root at server lampp]# cd [root at server ~]# service mysqld start Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. Starting MySQL: [FAILED] [root at server ~]# cd /opt/lampp [root at server lampp]# stopmysql bash: stopmysql: command not found [root at server lampp]# ./lampp stopmysql XAMPP: Stopping MySQL... [root at server lampp]# ./lampp service mysqld start From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Feb 1 01:36:13 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:36:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Report says apache is both on and off In-Reply-To: <1761a09805013117258963f2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805013117258963f2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107221774.24590.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 20:25 -0500, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > Can someone tell me how to fix the mess I made or should I just start > over with a new os install. I've got multiple apache installs. I can > turn it off and it says it is runnung. I turn it on and it says it was > off. > Here is the log. I hope I didn't post too much. I'd consider starting over and installing the Apache, MySQL, and PHP packages provided. Everything you need to run Moodle (minus Moodle itself) is part of K12LTSP/Fedora as an installable RPM. As root: yum install mysql httpd php php-mysql Package management is a good thing! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From robark at telus.net Tue Feb 1 03:03:51 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:03:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FD3E3C.8010701@netscape.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> <41FD3E3C.8010701@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41FEF197.9010608@telus.net> norbert wrote: > robark at telus.net wrote: > >> >> At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the >> computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the >> passwords are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. >> > Hi, > > Actually the problem with "comp1, etc" is that kids realise quickly > that they can use the same login as another & create havoc.... > Hence a script or untility that limits the "username" to a single > login without "kicking" out the previous one would be great....... > hint... > > norbert > I have a generic set of logins like comp1, comp2 ... for visitors to the lab. But my students who use the lab regularly all have separate logins. However, I tried logging onto two machines with the same username and both automatically got logged out. So for visiting classes, if one student chooses to be bad and login with anothers username, he kicks the other unsuspecting kid off. I would like to hear ideas how to prevent this. I think that's what you were alluding to norbert with your hint. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 1 02:44:19 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:44:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <41FED8A0.1030906@paasda.org> References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> <41FED8A0.1030906@paasda.org> Message-ID: I heard from Mark Shuttleworth, of the Shuttleworth foundation. His organization has deployed K12ltsp in schools in South Africa, serving about 80,000 students, with many more planned in the future. This is also the Mark Shuttleworth that is behind the Ubuntu distribution. And, it's the Mark Shuttleworth that travelled to the International Space Station back in 2002. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Huck wrote: > I have a setup with 20 tc's, 25 windows machines using smb to talk to home > dirs, 10 macs using atalk to talk to home dirs, and 30 concurrent users at any > given point in time. > Total number of users 240, just met others at a conference who have a number > of K12LTSP sites going as well, most of whom don't follow this list though(I > chided them thoroughly) > > --Huck > > Bryant Patten wrote: > > > Hello All - > > > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > > nationally and internationally? > > > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized I > > didn't have a decent answer. > > > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of > > users on an installation so we could give out the total number of people > > using it on a given day. > > > > Bryant Patten > > White Nitro, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aimssda at cscoms.com Tue Feb 1 03:44:43 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (K12OSN) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:43 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Updating GIMP 1.2 to 2 References: <20050131223524.98576736FA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001401c50810$5e9e0380$c901a8c0@HPV1000> Hi, Is there anybody here who know a link to a gimp 2.0 rpm file. I'm using K12ltsp 4.1, and i'm having a hard time compiling the new GIMP version. THanks From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 1 05:21:45 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Bryant Patten wrote: > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized > I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of > users on an installation so we could give out the total number of people using > it on a given day. I've always been tempted to install something that would "phone home" providing details about how K12LTSP is being used. No mattered how hard I tried, I have not come up with a way to do it that I'd want running on my own systems ;-) As it is, there are a few metrics we can see. First is the reports of big deployments. Jim already mentioned the 80,000 & growing in South Africa. There was recently an article that Chile is deploying K12LTSP into 600 more schools. and so on. I have my ftp/http/rsync logs, but no stats from the many mirrors. A quick grep of the recent logs shows about 60,000 downloads & about 11,000 that have run apt, up2date, or yum against my repositories. Of course most of the big deployments I know of keep their own mirrors/ repositories. -Eric From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Tue Feb 1 04:40:22 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 01 Feb 2005 10:10:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] where is "localhost" pulling from Message-ID: <1107232821.2736.56.camel@bp5575> Dear Robert Lefebvre, ------------ SNIP -------------- I thank everyone that assisted getting my mysql, apache, php started. I finally installed Xampp and it to. I hate it when installs go bad because I get confused, and forget what did what and when, but before I installed Xampp http://localhost in the browser would pull up a page. I think this was from Installing apache by itself. Whatever script it was instructed to replace the page with an html page that said "go away" (for security in other words). So now I've installed Xampp, the install went great, and with a terminal query I have determined that all are running. Unfortuanately a call to localhost gets me the same page as before (the "go away" page) and none of the new pages are showing. I can't find them in the file tree, are AMP files hidden? ------------ SNIP -------------- in fact localhost is name for loop back ip address of the local machine i.e. 127.0.0.1 and is always(see /etc/hosts). Now here in your case it is same for the apache web server as it is local for that, in case if want to use IP or name for your URL address you need either an entry in /etc/hosts or a DNS server. here is both of these, choose what you like as :- here i will define my URL as hello-bimal.com so you need to change accordingly with your ip address as here i have taken 192.168.0.1 1) in /etc/hosts do as ---------------------- 192.168.0.1 hello-bimal.com 2)DNS server ------------ This will do for hello-bimal.com, reverse and forward lookup vi /etc/named.conf zone "hello-bimal.com" IN { type master; file "forward_hello-bimal"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.168.192.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "backward_hello-bimal"; allow-update { none; }; }; vi /var/named/forward_hello-bimal $TTL 86400 @ IN SOA hello-bimal.com. root.localhost. ( 1997022700 ; Serial 28800 ; Refresh 14400 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 86400 ) ; Minimum @ IN NS 192.168.0.1 @ IN A 192.168.0.1 vi /var/named/backward_hello-bimal $TTL 86400 @ IN SOA hello-bimal.com. root.localhost. ( 1997022700 ; Serial 28800 ; Refresh 14400 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 86400 ) ; Minimum @ IN NS 192.168.0.1 1 IN PTR hello-bimal.com. NOTE:- 1) and don't forget to start/restart the DNS server 2) also this is a basic configuration and in case you want a stronger DNS server you need to see available parameters, and values according to your requirement. 3) you also need to change "ServerName 192.168.0.1" in httpd.conf file, start/restart the Web server now you can access your webserver as http://hello-bimal.com hope this will help a bit. regards, Bimal Pandit bimal.pandit at indoasian.com From netdxr at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 06:05:24 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:05:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FEF197.9010608@telus.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> <41FD3E3C.8010701@netscape.net> <41FEF197.9010608@telus.net> Message-ID: <863ff45205013122055b002ab8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions... they are very much appreciated! I wish I had more flexibility to change the existing procedures... but we sold the LTSP approach on the basis that we'd make the login process work just like our standalone Linux and Windows boxes already do. The requirement is that all 16 terminals login as the same domain user and that user will get access to it's share (and only it's share) on the existing Windows network. I'm intent on finding a solution, up to hacking gdmlogin or winbind if all else fails. Getting this to work would be a big win and make Linux a viable alternative to the other libraries in our district... and maybe even a few classrooms! :) If I come up with a workable solution, I'll post it here. Thanks again and best regards, -Tom From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 1 08:11:29 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:11:29 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050201081137.DXVC22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I would like to try out Win4Lin on K12LTSP 4.2.0 Any pointers or advice? I have heard that you have to patch FC 3 to make it work. Can I do this with K12LTSP too? How do I do it? I have been to http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html But it is a bit beyond me at this stage. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Krsnendu dasa From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Feb 1 08:28:30 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:28:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! I just hosed my whole system... Message-ID: <41FF3DAE.4030501@snarlnet.com> OK, I just did something phenomenally stupid. Maybe one of you gurus has the answer, or you can tell me, definitively, that I'm out of luck so I can get busy rebuilding the system. Here's the background. I installed K12LTSP using the default partitioning settings. I had 2 hard drives in there though, one was 13 gig and one was 40 gig. I was intending to put the /home partition on the 40 gig after everything was installed and stable. I forgot about all that "LVM" stuff that I didn't understand during the install. So, I was using some instructions that someone on this list gave me. I got to the line that said mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 and everything looked fine. After that executed though and the command prompt returned my computer froze. On reboot I got a message about not all parts of a certain [Foobar]Vol00 (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what it was called) not being able to be found. What I'm assuming happened is that the 40 gig drive was somehow married to the 13 gig. And it was already formatted as part of an LVM structure, when I put the ext3 file system on that part of the partition I hosed that arrangement and now I'm completely screwed. Is this a correct assessment? If not, what do I have to do to put the LVM back together again? Any help, advice, claps on the shoulder, would be most appreciated now. Thanks a lot, ck From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Feb 1 10:54:08 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:54:08 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <60220.201.8.20.209.1107255248.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> K12LTSP is one of the most popular easy to install distros out there for schools and open source PXE networks. I think Eric has done a great job, and a great contribution to OS. I have installed 2 lans so far here in Brazil and I pretend on doing many more as needed. Thanks Eric, Ramon > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Bryant Patten wrote: > >> Hello All - >> >> Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both >> nationally and internationally? >> >> I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized >> I didn't have a decent answer. >> >> A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of >> users on an installation so we could give out the total number of people using >> it on a given day. > > I've always been tempted to install something that would "phone home" > providing details about how K12LTSP is being used. No mattered how hard > I tried, I have not come up with a way to do it that I'd want running on my > own systems ;-) > > As it is, there are a few metrics we can see. > > First is the reports of big deployments. Jim already mentioned the > 80,000 & growing in South Africa. There was recently an article that > Chile is deploying K12LTSP into 600 more schools. and so on. > > I have my ftp/http/rsync logs, but no stats from the many mirrors. > A quick grep of the recent logs shows about 60,000 downloads & about > 11,000 that have run apt, up2date, or yum against my repositories. Of > course most of the big deployments I know of keep their own mirrors/ > repositories. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Feb 1 10:56:40 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:56:40 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FEF197.9010608@telus.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net><41FD3E3C.8010701@netscape.net> <41FEF197.9010608@telus.net> Message-ID: <60247.201.8.20.209.1107255400.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> I agree, why can't just the "bad" guy (or the wanna be cracker) get kicked out, the other one might be doing a text and lose everything. > norbert wrote: > >> robark at telus.net wrote: >> >>> >>> At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the >>> computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the >>> passwords are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. >>> >> Hi, >> >> Actually the problem with "comp1, etc" is that kids realise quickly >> that they can use the same login as another & create havoc.... >> Hence a script or untility that limits the "username" to a single >> login without "kicking" out the previous one would be great....... >> hint... >> >> norbert >> > > I have a generic set of logins like comp1, comp2 ... for visitors to the > lab. But my students who use the lab regularly all have separate logins. > However, I tried logging onto two machines with the same username and > both automatically got logged out. So for visiting classes, if one > student chooses to be bad and login with anothers username, he kicks the > other unsuspecting kid off. I would like to hear ideas how to prevent > this. I think that's what you were alluding to norbert with your hint. > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Feb 1 11:00:33 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:33 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] skype on k12?? In-Reply-To: <41FECFAF.4060807@paasda.org> References: <1259.200.149.217.165.1107210745.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> <41FECFAF.4060807@paasda.org> Message-ID: <60298.201.8.20.209.1107255633.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> On server is a piece of cake, I want to do it on clients. Any ideas? Thanks, Ramon > I'm doing it now... > not sure how it works with clients =) > > --Huck > > > Ramon wrote: > >>anyone ever made this happen?? if you did please tell me how, I need it. >> >>I have tried to make sound work and still does not. >>Server mother board: a7v8xx >>clients: a7v400mx, a7n8xx >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 1 11:28:14 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:28:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Message-ID: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> You mentioned that the problem w/ multiple identical logins is with Mozilla and OpenOffice. Are any other programs a problem? Maybe you should get on a list for those 2 programs and see if there is any way around it. Maybe it's possible to compile those programs with certain features removed, causing them to not complain about multiple identical logins, who knows. -Rob --- On Tue 02/01, Tom Lisjac < netdxr at gmail.com > wrote: From: Tom Lisjac [mailto: netdxr at gmail.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:05:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions... they are very much appreciated!

I wish I had more flexibility to change the existing procedures... but
we sold the LTSP approach on the basis that we'd make the login
process work just like our standalone Linux and Windows boxes already
do. The requirement is that all 16 terminals login as the same domain
user and that user will get access to it's share (and only it's share)
on the existing Windows network.

I'm intent on finding a solution, up to hacking gdmlogin or winbind if
all else fails. Getting this to work would be a big win and make Linux
a viable alternative to the other libraries in our district... and
maybe even a few classrooms! :)

If I come up with a workable solution, I'll post it here.

Thanks again and best regards,

-Tom

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Feb 1 12:33:53 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:33:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502011222.j11CMQr29115@www.mi-spot.com> Here in south east Iowa, I'm running 22 clients and about 30 students during the day. I'm trying to talk administration into doing this in the Library and another computer lab. The librarian loves the idea. Administration has been claiming that they're about to implement ZenWorks district wide, but that's been 2 years now. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bryant Patten Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:18 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? Hello All - Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both nationally and internationally? I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized I didn't have a decent answer. A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of users on an installation so we could give out the total number of people using it on a given day. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Feb 1 13:28:08 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:28:08 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem In-Reply-To: <41FD9486.1090809@snarlnet.com> References: <41FD9486.1090809@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <20050201132808.GA15082@wizzy.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > Running "yum update" yielded the following: > > Downloading needed headers > Resolving dependencies > ......Unable to satisfy dependencies > Package apt-python needs apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp, this is > not available. > > how do I resolve this? # yum remove apt-python If it wants to remove other stuff as well, let it. # yum upgrade If there was anything you would miss, do # yum install widget afterwards. Cheers, Andy! From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Feb 1 13:29:05 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:29:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <20050201123459.9DD1C7399F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050201123459.9DD1C7399F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1107264545.26536.174.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Bryant, We have 400 + students. February marks our third year using K12LTSP exclusively in our 40 seat lab. We have started putting terminals in all the classrooms and currently have 21 terminals in spread amongst our third and fourth grade classes. Eric: If you added something that allowed folks to opt in a survey during the setup or upgrade routine I'd bet you'd get a pretty good response. John > -----Original Message----Behalf > Of Bryant Patten > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:18 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? > > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and > realized > I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number > of > users on an installation so we could give out the total number of > people using it on a given day. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2 > ************************************* -- John Baillie From sbetts at msad71.net Tue Feb 1 13:46:55 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:46:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] default settings In-Reply-To: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get Star Office running on a terminal server to always revert back to default settings? It seems to keep the settings left by the last login. If they change to red, then it stays red text. etc. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry Moore From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 1 14:41:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:41:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! I just hosed my whole system... In-Reply-To: <41FF3DAE.4030501@snarlnet.com> References: <41FF3DAE.4030501@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > OK, I just did something phenomenally stupid. Maybe one of you gurus has the > answer, or you can tell me, definitively, that I'm out of luck so I can get > busy rebuilding the system. I do believe you are out of luck. -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 14:42:07 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:42:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050201081137.DXVC22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050201081137.DXVC22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <41FF953F.2040001@maltzen.net> FC3 ships with a 2.6.x kernel. Win4Lin usually supplies its own kernel, which is added to the boot loader menu so you can choose. Looking at Netraverse's website, I don't see any reference to them supporting a 2.6 kernel. The page you point to is for building your own Win4Lin kernel, in case you have a customized kernel and you want to add support for Win4Lin to it. You might be able to do just that using those instructions, but I would start by emailing or calling Netraverse and asking them if Win4Lin will run on FC3/kernel 2.6. Petre Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I would like to try out Win4Lin on K12LTSP 4.2.0 > Any pointers or advice? > I have heard that you have to patch FC 3 to make it work. Can I do this with > K12LTSP too? How do I do it? > > I have been to http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html > But it is a bit beyond me at this stage. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Krsnendu dasa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 14:49:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:49:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! I just hosed my whole system... In-Reply-To: <41FF3DAE.4030501@snarlnet.com> References: <41FF3DAE.4030501@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <41FF96EA.1050005@maltzen.net> I think your system is toast. While you might, MIGHT be able to get the 40GB drive back into Vol00 using vgextend, the system would most likely 1) refuse to let you modify Vol00 since it's already broken; 2) if it did allow you to add it, it would treat it as a new disk being added to the volume group rather than as the old one being put back in. I think scenario #1 is most likely, and you'd spend a lot of time trying to get it back in there, such that it would be faster to just start over. If you start over, you can either re-do the disk allocations manually, so that you can keep the 40GB from being part of Vol00; or you might just unplug the drive during the installation, take the default disk partitioning that will be done to the 13GB, and then when installation is complete, plug the 40GB back in, and allocate it as you wish. Petre Carl Keil wrote: > OK, I just did something phenomenally stupid. Maybe one of you gurus > has the answer, or you can tell me, definitively, that I'm out of luck > so I can get busy rebuilding the system. > Here's the background. I installed K12LTSP using the default > partitioning settings. I had 2 hard drives in there though, one was 13 > gig and one was 40 gig. I was intending to put the /home partition on > the 40 gig after everything was installed and stable. I forgot about > all that "LVM" stuff that I didn't understand during the install. > > So, I was using some instructions that someone on this list gave me. I > got to the line that said mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 and everything looked > fine. After that executed though and the command prompt returned my > computer froze. On reboot I got a message about not all parts of a > certain [Foobar]Vol00 (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what it was > called) not being able to be found. > What I'm assuming happened is that the 40 gig drive was somehow married > to the 13 gig. And it was already formatted as part of an LVM > structure, when I put the ext3 file system on that part of the partition > I hosed that arrangement and now I'm completely screwed. Is this a > correct assessment? If not, what do I have to do to put the LVM back > together again? > > Any help, advice, claps on the shoulder, would be most appreciated now. > > Thanks a lot, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 14:51:30 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:51:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <200502011222.j11CMQr29115@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200502011222.j11CMQr29115@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <41FF9772.5070904@maltzen.net> Where abouts in SE Iowa? (I'm originally from Cedar Rapids, or more precisely, Marion). Petre Eric Brown wrote: > Here in south east Iowa, I'm running 22 clients and about 30 students during > the day. I'm trying to talk administration into doing this in the Library > and another computer lab. The librarian loves the idea. Administration has > been claiming that they're about to implement ZenWorks district wide, but > that's been 2 years now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Bryant Patten > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:18 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? > > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and > realized > I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number > of > users on an installation so we could give out the total number of > people using it on a given day. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 1 14:58:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:58:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Here's where the problem lies....you are trying to make a multi-user environment into a single-user environment. Unlike your probable current situation....the users data is saved locally on the hard drive. Thus you can use the same login for everyone as they physically are on different machines. In an LTSP situation....they are all on the same machine...and under your proposal...the same account. Each time certain programs load and execute there are certain things that get written to the user's "profile" in the home directory. There are a multitude of hidden files such as .gnome, .kde, .mozilla....etc. While Mozilla and OO will be the biggies, there are many other programs that will also cause issues. When one student makes a change it writes to the home directory....if you have multiple logins to the same home directory...imagine the collisions. Some where here on the list or in the wiki is a method for "auto-login" of workstations. Thus you could have each workstation log in automatically to its own account.....create a location (common) as a drop box for storing files....and that way have your cake and eat it too. robowens at myway.com on Tuesday, February 1, 2005 at 6:28 AM +0000 wrote: >You mentioned that the problem w/ multiple identical logins is with >Mozilla and OpenOffice. Are any other programs a problem? Maybe you >should get on a list for those 2 programs and see if there is any way >around it. Maybe it's possible to compile those programs with certain >features removed, causing them to not complain about multiple identical >logins, who knows. > >-Rob > > > --- On Tue 02/01, Tom Lisjac < netdxr at gmail.com > wrote: >From: Tom Lisjac [mailto: netdxr at gmail.com] >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:05:24 -0700 >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... > >Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions... they are very much >appreciated!

I wish I had more flexibility to change the existing >procedures... but
we sold the LTSP approach on the basis that we'd >make the login
process work just like our standalone Linux and Windows >boxes already
do. The requirement is that all 16 terminals login as >the same domain
user and that user will get access to it's share (and >only it's share)
on the existing Windows network.

I'm intent on >finding a solution, up to hacking gdmlogin or winbind if
all else >fails. Getting this to work would be a big win and make Linux
a viable >alternative to the other libraries in our district... and
maybe even a >few classrooms! :)

If I come up with a workable solution, I'll >post it here.

Thanks again and best >regards,

-Tom

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> >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 1 14:58:55 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:58:55 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FF953F.2040001@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050201145910.FVPB22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> This message was in a recent email received from netraverse--- >>> Like our full Win4Lin 5 product, Win4Lin Home supports all Linux distributions including Fedora Core 3. For more information see instructions at http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html >>>> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2005 3:42 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 FC3 ships with a 2.6.x kernel. Win4Lin usually supplies its own kernel, which is added to the boot loader menu so you can choose. Looking at Netraverse's website, I don't see any reference to them supporting a 2.6 kernel. The page you point to is for building your own Win4Lin kernel, in case you have a customized kernel and you want to add support for Win4Lin to it. You might be able to do just that using those instructions, but I would start by emailing or calling Netraverse and asking them if Win4Lin will run on FC3/kernel 2.6. Petre Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I would like to try out Win4Lin on K12LTSP 4.2.0 > Any pointers or advice? > I have heard that you have to patch FC 3 to make it work. Can I do this with > K12LTSP too? How do I do it? > > I have been to http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html > But it is a bit beyond me at this stage. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Krsnendu dasa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Feb 1 15:10:58 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:10:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop lockdown Message-ID: <31091553.1107270658192.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Hi All, I would like to lock down my students desktops so they cannot change wallpaper, delete/add icons, delete/add taskbars ect. Is there an easy way to do this and if so, how? We are using Gnome. Thanks. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 15:11:21 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:11:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050201145910.FVPB22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050201145910.FVPB22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <41FF9C19.7050008@maltzen.net> Well, it looks like that's their answer: they provide only 2.4 kernels, and if you want to use a system with a 2.6 kernel you have to patch it yourself. Rebuilding a kernel isn't really that hard, and their instructions on adding their patches look fairly straight forward--although note that they reference lilo when installing the new kernel, and RH-based systems have been using grub for some years now. Make sure you try this on a test box, not a production box, because you'll probably have some bumps along the way. Petre Krsnendu dasa wrote: > This message was in a recent email received from netraverse--- > > Like our full Win4Lin 5 product, Win4Lin Home supports all Linux > distributions including Fedora Core 3. For more information see > instructions at http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2005 3:42 a.m. > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netraverse patch for Win4Lin - Fedora Core 3 > > FC3 ships with a 2.6.x kernel. Win4Lin usually supplies its own kernel, > which > is added to the boot loader menu so you can choose. Looking at Netraverse's > > website, I don't see any reference to them supporting a 2.6 kernel. The > page > you point to is for building your own Win4Lin kernel, in case you have a > customized kernel and you want to add support for Win4Lin to it. You might > be > able to do just that using those instructions, but I would start by emailing > or > calling Netraverse and asking them if Win4Lin will run on FC3/kernel 2.6. > > Petre > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >>I would like to try out Win4Lin on K12LTSP 4.2.0 >>Any pointers or advice? >>I have heard that you have to patch FC 3 to make it work. Can I do this > > with > >>K12LTSP too? How do I do it? >> >>I have been to http://www.netraverse.com/support/docs/kernel_patching.html > > >>But it is a bit beyond me at this stage. Any help would be greatly >>appreciated. >> >>Krsnendu dasa >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Feb 1 15:40:42 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:40:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop lockdown In-Reply-To: <31091553.1107270658192.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> References: <31091553.1107270658192.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1107272442.6356.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 10:10 -0500, Will Hatch wrote: > I would like to lock down my students desktops so they cannot change > wallpaper, delete/add icons, delete/add taskbars ect. Is there an > easy way to do this and if so, how? We are using Gnome. Thanks. http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/system-admin-guide.html Note the sections on mandatory preferences. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 15:55:31 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:55:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop lockdown In-Reply-To: <1107272442.6356.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <31091553.1107270658192.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> <1107272442.6356.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4892876105020107555f00bd12@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if you are having them login as individual users, but there is always kiosk mode which I'm using at the library here. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode There were some catches, so I wrote down what I did to get around them. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/k12ltspkioskmode/ The way that I have it setup is that the computer auto logs in using the workstation name. The people can do and change anything they want on the desktop, but when they logout and it auto logs back in, the /home/$WORKSTATIONNAME folder is blown out and replaced from /etc/skel which resets the desktop back to the original setup. On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:40:42 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 10:10 -0500, Will Hatch wrote: > > I would like to lock down my students desktops so they cannot change > > wallpaper, delete/add icons, delete/add taskbars ect. Is there an > > easy way to do this and if so, how? We are using Gnome. Thanks. > > http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/system-admin-guide.html > > Note the sections on mandatory preferences. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 1 16:22:39 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:22:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <1107264545.26536.174.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20050201123459.9DD1C7399F@hormel.redhat.com> <1107264545.26536.174.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <41FFACCF.2040906@paasda.org> Yes, installing Debian this morning because I found this (http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/education-thin-client-server) I was asked if I wanted to opt in for the 'package popularity poll'...I presume it's all automagical...as I was not asked to do anything after or during the install after I chose 'yes' =) maybe just a simple script that could be run AFTER said machine was in production, by the admin. I would use it definately. maybe it could send the dhcp.leases file and you would be able to tell how many clients are running from that...? I don't know how intrusive that is, just an idea. --Huck John Baillie wrote: >Eric: >If you added something that allowed folks to opt in a survey during the >setup or upgrade routine I'd bet you'd get a pretty good response. > >John > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 1 16:35:18 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:35:18 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LDAP account Manager with the smbldap-installer script / Batch user creation with custom home directories Message-ID: <00c601c5087c$04598630$65c8a8c0@brianwork> This afternoon I started testing Samba 3 with a LDAP using the excellent smbldap-installer script from http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/index.htm and the K12LTSP 4.2.0 install CD's I have it all installed everything and initial tests look like everything is working. One of the things we do when we create users is to place there home directory inside directories relating to what tutor group they are in so for example /home_student/tutorgroups/101/e000000 The e000000 bit is there college enrollment number which is unique and generated as they enroll and stays with them as the move years. I batch creation script provided do give you some control but I couldn't see of anyway of altering where the home directory was stored so I looked at the LDAP account manager from sourceforge.net This seemed to give me some control but before I could test it I had to run the config wizard and fell at the third screen. It asks for the Please enter the suffixes of your LDAP tree where LAM should store the accounts. UserSuffix: GroupSuffix: HostSuffix: DomainSuffix: The first 3 I could workout but I'm unsure as to the last one (DomainSuffix), I tried just domains, Domain Copmuters, sambaDomainName but to no avail it kept coming back The following suffix(es) are missing in LDAP. LAM will create them for you. Any idea's please Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From visentind at hdsb.ca Tue Feb 1 16:43:04 2005 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:43:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DOS boot rom freezes after kernel load Message-ID: We're almost there! I can boot machines from floppy using a romomatic generated boot floppy but I now need to configure the machines to boot from the hard drive. I created a DOS boot file (ie. the .com file) from romomatic and it goes through the first 2 stages of booting (dhcp, tftp, loads the kernel) but after the kernal loads (.... done) it freezes. The idea is to boot off the hard drive and modify the autoexec.bat to launch the boot rom program. Any ideas? Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 17:07:31 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:07:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives Message-ID: <20050201170731.81350.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> My sendmail server (which is also my web server) stopped sending. It has worked fine for two years. I'm really not a techie, just a math teacher who has installed several K12LTSP labs in my building. The sendmail server is based on RH8 (from the K12LTSP 3.0.0 version). I've used apt-get to keep the packages updated. But suddenly sendmail WON'T send. I can get the mail, but not send it. What could cause this to happen? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 17:15:05 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:15:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050201170731.81350.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201170731.81350.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FFB919.8090306@maltzen.net> Did you get Les's earlier suggestion to try 'service sendmail stop; service sendmail start' and to check the /var/log/maillog file? Assuming restarting sendmail doesn't fix it, try using sendmail on the commandline to send a message: /usr/sbin/sendmail -v aslanreturn at yahoo.com Enter a short message here, followed by a dot (.) on a line all by itself, like so: . After you enter the dot and hit Return, you should see sendmail try to send your message to your address above, or, hopefully, indicate why it can't send mail. Petre richard ingalls wrote: > My sendmail server (which is also my web server) > stopped sending. It has worked fine for two years. > I'm really not a techie, just a math teacher who has > installed several K12LTSP labs in my building. The > sendmail server is based on RH8 (from the K12LTSP > 3.0.0 version). I've used apt-get to keep the > packages updated. But suddenly sendmail WON'T send. > I can get the mail, but not send it. > > What could cause this to happen? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 1 17:24:12 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:24:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Message-ID: <20050201172412.3FE313A2C@mprdmxin.myway.com> Tom, What is the reason for needing identical logins. I know you stated that you were permitted to install linux as long as you didn't change the login method. But is it because of a certain already-in-place recordkeeping system? Is it because the administration doesn't want the linux computers to do things differently than the existing computers? Or is it just that you need all users to save their files to the same big directory? I guess what I'm getting at is, do you really need to have multiple identical logins, or does it just need to *appear* that you have multiple identical logins? -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 1 17:32:23 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? Message-ID: <20050201173223.E49AA3976@mprdmxin.myway.com> I like the idea of putting some kind of reporting feature into the distro, but it should be accessible to the administrator after the system has been in place for some time (and the users have had plenty of time to be impressed). Perhaps a button in the root user's application menu: "submit / update your network profile" or something like that. It should be totally voluntary, but be able to track those who submit by assigning them some sort of unique ID, allowing them to inform Eric & Co. that they have added 10 more thin client terminals for the new school year, etc. -Rob --- On Tue 02/01, Huck < dhuckaby at paasda.org > wrote: From: Huck [mailto: dhuckaby at paasda.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:22:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? Yes, installing Debian this morning because I found this
(http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/education-thin-client-server)
I was asked if I wanted to opt in for the 'package popularity poll'...I
presume it's all automagical...as I was not asked to do anything
after or during the install after I chose 'yes' =)
maybe just a simple script that could be run AFTER said machine was in
production, by the admin. I would use it definately.
maybe it could send the dhcp.leases file and you would be able to tell
how many clients are running from that...? I don't know how intrusive
that is, just an idea.

--Huck

John Baillie wrote:

>Eric:
>If you added something that allowed folks to opt in a survey during the
>setup or upgrade routine I'd bet you'd get a pretty good response.
>
>John
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Feb 1 16:59:38 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:59:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Nero and Version 4.2.0 Message-ID: FYI I got burnt by Nero trying to create 4.2.0 cd's. I even changed the burner but the replacement burner was identical (LG HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4521B). Nero express version 5.5.9.9 was used. I could not get nero to burn any cd except one and even that one was bad. I loaded Knoppix 3.6 and used K3B to burn the cd with success on the same burner. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brr at brr.no Tue Feb 1 17:44:16 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:44:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <20050201173223.E49AA3976@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050201173223.E49AA3976@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050201184042.07710ff0@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! What about a list like Skolelinux? http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/test_schools_list/document_view And a map like: http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/test_schools_map/document_view Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 1 17:57:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:57:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LDAP account Manager with the smbldap-installer=?ISO-8859-1?Q? script_?= / Batch In-Reply-To: <00c601c5087c$04598630$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <00c601c5087c$04598630$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: Brian, I'm not totally sure about this as I have not tested it, but you can and let us know :-) In /usr/share/doc/smbldap-tools-0.8.6/smbldap.conf there is a section on Unix Account Configuration (see below) ############################################################################## # # Unix Accounts Configuration # ############################################################################## # Login defs # Default Login Shell # Ex: userLoginShell="/bin/bash" userLoginShell="/bin/bash" # Home directory # Ex: userHome="/home/%U" userHome="/home/%U" ################ I would imagine that you can specify the home dir here. BUT....you'll probably need to change it and run your user creation in "shifts" or by year for each new set of home dirs for each year. Give it a test and let us know if it works. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 1, 2005 at 11:35 AM +0000 wrote: >This afternoon I started testing Samba 3 with a LDAP using the excellent >smbldap-installer script from > >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/index.htm and the K12LTSP 4.2.0 >install CD's > >I have it all installed everything and initial tests look like everything >is >working. > >One of the things we do when we create users is to place there home >directory inside directories relating to what tutor group they are in so >for >example > >/home_student/tutorgroups/101/e000000 > >The e000000 bit is there college enrollment number which is unique and >generated as they enroll and stays with them as the move years. > >I batch creation script provided do give you some control but I couldn't >see >of anyway of altering where the home directory was stored so I looked at >the >LDAP account manager from sourceforge.net > >This seemed to give me some control but before I could test it I had to >run >the config wizard and fell at the third screen. It asks for the > > Please enter the suffixes of your LDAP tree where LAM should store >the >accounts. > > UserSuffix: > GroupSuffix: > HostSuffix: > DomainSuffix: > > >The first 3 I could workout but I'm unsure as to the last one >(DomainSuffix), I tried just domains, Domain Copmuters, sambaDomainName >but >to no avail it kept coming back > >The following suffix(es) are missing in LDAP. LAM will create them for >you. > >Any idea's please > >Brian Chivers >Portsmouth College David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Feb 1 18:08:42 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:08:42 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050201172412.3FE313A2C@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050201172412.3FE313A2C@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <61251.201.8.20.209.1107281322.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> It's much easier to manage 1 or 2 logins then 200 individual logins. > > Tom, > > What is the reason for needing identical logins. I know you stated that you were > permitted to install linux as long as you didn't change the login method. But is > it because of a certain already-in-place recordkeeping system? Is it because the > administration doesn't want the linux computers to do things differently than the > existing computers? Or is it just that you need all users to save their files to > the same big directory? > > I guess what I'm getting at is, do you really need to have multiple identical > logins, or does it just need to *appear* that you have multiple identical logins? > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at telus.net Tue Feb 1 18:39:43 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:39:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Solution? Managing Identical logins Message-ID: <1107283183.41ffccef66769@webmail.telus.net> Attention script writers: I just had an idea. Is it possible to run a script at beginning of login that would do this #!/bin/sh if [$USER != root] then if [who | grep $USER] #this line needs some help then #abort login (not sure how to do this) fi fi basically check to see if the user is already logged in and abort login if true. I am not familiar with bash script writing. It's on my to learn list. At least this way the student who is already logged on with the username will not get kicked off. Only the second attempt to login with the same username will fail. Robert Arkiletian From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 1 19:39:31 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:39:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush Message-ID: <200502011841.j11IfTD28476@downeast.net> Jim Can you share your lts.conf for the puke green bondi's..i cant get around the VBIOS error..(chuck > > Attention script writers: > I just had an idea. Is it possible to run a script at beginning of login that > would do this > > #!/bin/sh > > if [$USER != root] > then > if [who | grep $USER] #this line needs some help > then > #abort login (not sure how to do this) > fi > fi > > basically check to see if the user is already logged in and abort login if true. > I am not familiar with bash script writing. It's on my to learn list. > > At least this way the student who is already logged on with the username will > not get kicked off. Only the second attempt to login with the same username will > fail. > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From netdxr at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 20:06:58 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:06:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <61251.201.8.20.209.1107281322.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> References: <20050201172412.3FE313A2C@mprdmxin.myway.com> <61251.201.8.20.209.1107281322.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <863ff452050201120636a588b2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:08:42 -0200 (EDT), Ramon wrote: > It's much easier to manage 1 or 2 logins then 200 individual logins. Yes, that's the primary reason. Otherwise we'd we'd have to manage about 7000 student accounts... which would not be fun or productive. > > What is the reason for needing identical logins.... > > I guess what I'm getting at is, do you really need to have multiple identical > > logins, or does it just need to *appear* that you have multiple identical logins? The above admin stuff aside, we are also trying to promote Linux more broadly in our district. We've been at it for years but haven't been very successful because Linux has been perceived as being awkward and hard to administer. If I were to tell the admins at this school that they would have to change their long standing login procedures in order to use Linux, I'd add fuel to the Linux phobia... so the keywords that are driving this project are "adapt, blend in and be easy". :) Thanks! -Tom From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Feb 1 20:08:59 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:08:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Blaster woes... Message-ID: Hey everyone, I am still working on getting audio to work on LTSP. For the most part, success! I can get it to work on many of the older terminals with built-in sound cards (ISA) and many generic sound cards. I've been very successful with many sound blaster compatible cards. But not all of them work. I found a source of cheap SoundWave Pro PCI 3D Sound cards with Soun Blaster Pro/16 support, and PC97/98 complant. However, when I install this card, I get the following errors: modprobe: insmod sb failed modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o failed sb: dsp reset failed I can confirm that audio does work with some pci sound cards. But the one I'm using right now if I can get it to work, we can order them in bulk and install them in all the terminals! Does anyone have any ideas to get audio to work? Also, I managed to get mozilla to work in ESD on Gnome, and I found it to be much more stable than NASD. NASD tends to break up and pause continually in flash animations on older terminals (p100 to p200), but ESD has always worked perfectly. I can share my steps if anyone wants to know how I got it to work :-) Thanka! From netdxr at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 20:24:19 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:24:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: References: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <863ff452050201122434889625@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:58:07 -0500, David Trask wrote: > Here's where the problem lies....you are trying to make a multi-user > environment into a single-user environment. Unlike your probable current > situation....the users data is saved locally on the hard drive. Thus you > can use the same login for everyone as they physically are on different > machines. In an LTSP situation....they are all on the same machine...and > under your proposal...the same account. Each time certain programs load > and execute there are certain things that get written to the user's > "profile" in the home directory. There are a multitude of hidden files > such as .gnome, .kde, .mozilla....etc. While Mozilla and OO will be the > biggies, there are many other programs that will also cause issues. When > one student makes a change it writes to the home directory....if you have > multiple logins to the same home directory...imagine the collisions. Yes, that summarized the first half of the problem perfectly. > Some > where here on the list or in the wiki is a method for "auto-login" of > workstations. Thus you could have each workstation log in automatically > to its own account.....create a location (common) as a drop box for > storing files....and that way have your cake and eat it too. Therein lies the second half of the problem. The teachers don't want a common share for all the classes to drop their work into. I suggested that initially... and they gave me a flat no! They've been using Windows file sharing permissions to keep the kids where they belong (and keep them from clobbering the work of others) for several years. They like this system and want to continue using it with the new K12LTSP box. So to satisfy both requirements, I need to create a unique directory name at login for each user (such as /home/grade8-ws215) while retaining the grade8 username for the sid that samba uses to walk the directory tree of the file server. Thanks! -Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 20:29:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:29:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Presentations at NECC 2005 / Volunteers Needed for K12LTSP Email Garden Message-ID: Paul Nelson has, in past years, taken a group of students to the National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) to help set up and maintain an "Email Garden" which demonstrates the use of K12LTSP. This year the conference is in Philadelphia from June 27 - 30, and Paul is not able to go. I have offered to bring the server and workstation hardware, but we are looking for a schoool that might want to have students prepare presentations to be given in a mini-classroom in the Email Garden, as well as come and help with setup, maintenance, and answering questions. The presentations would likely be demonstrations of Open Source programs used as a part of a K12LTSP installation, ranging from simple OpenOffice how-to's to the use of more complicated technologies, like MySQL and PHP. Typically, Paul has brought 4 - 8 students, who might have some of their expenses covered by NECC and/or other companies, but will likely need to raise their own travel funds (or have them provided by the school). He has had success in having the students prepare in advance, and then being selected to go based on that preparation. It seems to us that this would be most successful if there were a school on the East Coast where there is a committed teacher that we could work with on this. We have told NECC that we would let them know in two weeks if a school is interested in participating in this way so that they can try to make the right classroom space available for the teaching. If you are interested, please make contact with me directly. Thanks! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 1 20:32:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:32:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff452050201120636a588b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050201172412.3FE313A2C@mprdmxin.myway.com> <61251.201.8.20.209.1107281322.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> <863ff452050201120636a588b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107289941.3016.0.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 14:06, Tom Lisjac wrote: > If I were to tell the admins at this school that they would have to > change their long standing login procedures in order to use Linux, I'd > add fuel to the Linux phobia... so the keywords that are driving this > project are "adapt, blend in and be easy". :) What is the 'long standing login procedure'? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 21:37:59 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:37:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <41FFB919.8090306@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050201213800.65045.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> --- Petre Scheie wrote: > Did you get Les's earlier suggestion to try 'service > sendmail stop; service > sendmail start' and to check the /var/log/maillog > file? Assuming restarting > sendmail doesn't fix it, try using sendmail on the > commandline to send a message: > > /usr/sbin/sendmail -v aslanreturn at yahoo.com > Enter a short message here, followed by a dot (.) on > a line all by itself, > like so: > . > > After you enter the dot and hit Return, you should > see sendmail try to send your > message to your address above, or, hopefully, > indicate why it can't send mail. > > Petre > > richard ingalls wrote: > > My sendmail server (which is also my web server) > > stopped sending. It has worked fine for two > years. > > I'm really not a techie, just a math teacher who > has > > installed several K12LTSP labs in my building. > The > > sendmail server is based on RH8 (from the K12LTSP > > 3.0.0 version). I've used apt-get to keep the > > packages updated. But suddenly sendmail WON'T > send. > > I can get the mail, but not send it. > > > > What could cause this to happen? > > OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and made some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail ... then restart sendmail... then tried to send email from the commandline like you showed me above (thanks for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from the command line. woo hoo! I can send it via Usermin. I cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 1 22:06:11 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:06:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050201213800.65045.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201213800.65045.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FFFD53.4070208@maltzen.net> richard ingalls wrote: > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Did you get Les's earlier suggestion to try 'service >>sendmail stop; service >>sendmail start' and to check the /var/log/maillog >>file? Assuming restarting >>sendmail doesn't fix it, try using sendmail on the >>commandline to send a message: >> >>/usr/sbin/sendmail -v aslanreturn at yahoo.com >>Enter a short message here, followed by a dot (.) on >>a line all by itself, >>like so: >>. >> >>After you enter the dot and hit Return, you should >>see sendmail try to send your >>message to your address above, or, hopefully, >>indicate why it can't send mail. >> >>Petre >> >>richard ingalls wrote: >> >>>My sendmail server (which is also my web server) >>>stopped sending. It has worked fine for two >> >>years. >> >>>I'm really not a techie, just a math teacher who >> >>has >> >>>installed several K12LTSP labs in my building. >> >>The >> >>>sendmail server is based on RH8 (from the K12LTSP >>>3.0.0 version). I've used apt-get to keep the >>>packages updated. But suddenly sendmail WON'T >> >>send. >> >>>I can get the mail, but not send it. >>> >>>What could cause this to happen? >>> > > > OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and made > some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail ... > then restart sendmail... then tried to send email > from the commandline like you showed me above (thanks > for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from the > command line. woo hoo! I can send it via Usermin. I > cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. > What do you have Mozilla's smtp server set to? From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 22:07:39 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:07:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin problem Message-ID: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks, A while back I recovered my home folders and webmin exported batch file of users to a new installation. But, I've noticed that although webmin recreated my users and passwords successfully, it didn't create one single group. The GID #s exist and are spoken for but no group names are attributed to them. Where did i go wrong? It's a problem because if I or the computer teacher has to edit a user, it refuses to save because the users don't have a primary group. Thanks, Peter From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 22:13:13 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:13:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <41FFFD53.4070208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050201221313.38214.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > richard ingalls wrote: > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > >>Did you get Les's earlier suggestion to try > 'service > >>sendmail stop; service > >>sendmail start' and to check the /var/log/maillog > >>file? Assuming restarting > >>sendmail doesn't fix it, try using sendmail on the > >>commandline to send a message: > >> > >>/usr/sbin/sendmail -v aslanreturn at yahoo.com > >>Enter a short message here, followed by a dot (.) > on > >>a line all by itself, > >>like so: > >>. > >> > >>After you enter the dot and hit Return, you should > >>see sendmail try to send your > >>message to your address above, or, hopefully, > >>indicate why it can't send mail. > >> > >>Petre > >> > >>richard ingalls wrote: > >> > >>>My sendmail server (which is also my web server) > >>>stopped sending. It has worked fine for two > >> > >>years. > >> > >>>I'm really not a techie, just a math teacher who > >> > >>has > >> > >>>installed several K12LTSP labs in my building. > >> > >>The > >> > >>>sendmail server is based on RH8 (from the K12LTSP > >>>3.0.0 version). I've used apt-get to keep the > >>>packages updated. But suddenly sendmail WON'T > >> > >>send. > >> > >>>I can get the mail, but not send it. > >>> > >>>What could cause this to happen? > >>> > > > > > > OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and > made > > some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail > ... > > then restart sendmail... then tried to send email > > from the commandline like you showed me above > (thanks > > for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from > the > > command line. woo hoo! I can send it via > Usermin. I > > cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. > > > What do you have Mozilla's smtp server set to? default settings, my mail server and port 25... should i send my sendmail.mc file? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 1 23:11:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:11:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050201221313.38214.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201221313.38214.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107299482.3016.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 16:13, richard ingalls wrote: > > > cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. > > > > > What do you have Mozilla's smtp server set to? > > default settings, my mail server and port 25... > > should i send my sendmail.mc file? Did you change a line like: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl to dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl in your sendmail.mc and rebuild sendmail.cf? If you don't it will only accept mail on the localhost (127.0.0.1) loopback address, not the ethernet IP address. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 01:05:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:05:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sound In-Reply-To: <9bd317560501212128451f715f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560501212128451f715f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050201170515e961a6@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, Is there any information from logs that I might find to help diagnose this problem. Here it is: On some terminals after logging in a second time the sound doesn't work. For instance, when the second user logs in, in Gcompris looking at the configuration page the sound and music are "X"ed out even though they should both be checked. After checking them and restarting the program they are still "X"ed out. It's as if it checks to see if a sound driver is running and it can see that it is not. After a full reboot of the terminal it's fine. Any ideas? I recognize the similarity to "doctor, it hurts when I do this." Doctor: "then don't do that." And Eric I'm sorry to bother you with sound stuff. Still, it would be nice not to have to reboot the terminals after any user logs in and out. I had posted somthing similar to this before and got no response, could somone at least say $%!@ off so that I know it's getting through? Thanks, Peter From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Wed Feb 2 07:07:03 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 02 Feb 2005 12:37:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Thunderbird-1.0 rpm Message-ID: <1107328023.3693.19.camel@bp5575> Dear All, This is my experience that i would like to share with all, in case it could help someone. I tried to install thunderbird-1.0 on my system(RedHat 9), i started with tar file but then it was accessible to the root user only, even i tried making link as [root at bimal root]# cd /usr/local [root at bimal local]# tar -xvzf /tmp/thunderbird-1_0/thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz [root at bimal local]# cd thunderbird [root at bimal thunderbird]# ln -sf /usr/local/thunderbird/thunderbird /usr/bin/ now, i switched as normal user and tried to execute thunderbird [root at bimal thunderbird]# su - bimal [bimal at bimalserver bimal]$ thunderbird Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified (thunderbird-bin:9100): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: [bimal at bimalserver bimal]$ i could have overcome this too as [root at bimal thunderbird]# xhost +localhost but that's not the solution!!( i think..., you know this is 'X' and security!!), so again i tried to search the net and came accross an excellent site(tutorial) by Mr.Thomas Chung, i tried it as per his suggestions but it seems that he missed a point and hence i did all these as a root user, while here i have also given a solution as how to buid the same package without root, ofcourse to install rpm package you need to be the root user!! here is what and how i have done all this... NOTE:- ------ 1) all my packages are in /tmp directory so i am refering as of it. 2) packages used are thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz thunderbird.png thunderbird.desktop thunderbird.spec one can had thunderbird.png, thunderbird.desktop, thunderbird.spec files from by Mr.Thomas Chung 3) buid on RedHat 9 PART - I - AS A ROOT --------------------- here i have taken an example of creating this rpm package as superuser "root" so you need to login as root, on a terminal do as... [root at bimal temp]# vi thunderbird.spec and changed "Release : 0.FC1" to "Release : 0.rh9" so that it will remind me of RedHat 9 package though if you don't do this still no probs as in this case you will get a package named as "thunderbird-1.0-0.FC1.i386.rpm" instead of "thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.i386.rpm", while as far as i know there is no much difference between RH9 and FC1, almost all the packages for FC1 gets installed on RH9 too!!, well here i goes... [root at bimal temp]# cp thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ [root at bimal temp]# cp thunderbird.png /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ [root at bimal temp]# cp thunderbird.desktop /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ [root at bimal temp]# cp thunderbird.spec /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/ [root at bimal temp]# rpmbuild -ba /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/thunderbird.spec Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.58027 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD + LANG=C + export LANG + rm -rf /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot + cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD + rm -rf thunderbird-1.0 + /bin/mkdir -p thunderbird-1.0 + cd thunderbird-1.0 + /usr/bin/gzip -dc /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz + tar -xf - + STATUS=0 + '[' 0 -ne 0 ']' ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 0 = 0 ']' + /bin/chown -Rhf root . ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 0 = 0 ']' + /bin/chgrp -Rhf root . + /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w . + exit 0 Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7808 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD + cd thunderbird-1.0 + LANG=C + export LANG + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/lib + cp -a thunderbird /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/lib + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/applications /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/pixmaps + cp -a /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/thunderbird.desktop /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/applications + cp -a /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/thunderbird.png /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/pixmaps + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin + ln -s /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin/thunderbird + ln -s /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin/thunderbird-bin + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-compress + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip /usr/bin/strip + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip-static-archive /usr/bin/strip + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip-comment-note /usr/bin/strip /usr/bin/objdump Processing files: thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9 Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.src.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.i386.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.61716 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD + cd thunderbird-1.0 + rm -rf /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot + exit 0 [root at bimal temp]# so this will create a rpm package in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ directory while src.rpm in /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/ directory. PART - II - as a GENERAL USER ------------------------------ here i have taken an example of creating this rpm package as a general user "bimal" so you need to login as bimal, on a terminal do as... [bimal at bimal bimal]$ mkdir rpm [bimal at bimal bimal]$ cd rpm [bimal at bimal bimal]$ mkdir SOURCES SPECS BUILD RPMS RPMS/i386 SRPMS create a file ".rpmmacros" in the home directory with the entry as shown [bimal at bimal bimal]$ vi .rpmmacros %_topdir /home/bimal/rpm [bimal at bimal bimal]$ cd /tmp [bimal at bimal temp]$ vi thunderbird.spec and changed "Release : 0.FC1" to "Release : 0.rh9" so that it will remind me of RedHat 9 package though if you don't do this still no probs as in this case you will get a package named as "thunderbird-1.0-0.FC1.i386.rpm" instead of "thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.i386.rpm", while as far as i know there is no much difference between RH9 and FC1, almost all the packages for FC1 gets installed on RH9 too!!, well here i goes... [bimal at bimal temp]$ cp thunderbird.spec /home/bimal/rpm/SPECS/ [bimal at bimal temp]$ cp thunderbird.desktop /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/ [bimal at bimal temp]$ cp thunderbird.png /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/ [bimal at bimal temp]$ cp thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/ [bimal at bimal temp]$ rpmbuild -ba /home/bimal/rpm/SPECS/thunderbird.spec Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62736 + umask 022 + cd /home/bimal/rpm/BUILD + LANG=C + export LANG + rm -rf /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot + cd /home/bimal/rpm/BUILD + rm -rf thunderbird-1.0 + /bin/mkdir -p thunderbird-1.0 + cd thunderbird-1.0 + /usr/bin/gzip -dc /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/thunderbird-1.0.tar.gz + tar -xf - + STATUS=0 + '[' 0 -ne 0 ']' ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 500 = 0 ']' ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 500 = 0 ']' + /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w . + exit 0 Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.15114 + umask 022 + cd /home/bimal/rpm/BUILD + cd thunderbird-1.0 + LANG=C + export LANG + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/lib + cp -a thunderbird /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/lib + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/applications /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/pixmaps + cp -a /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/thunderbird.desktop /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/applications + cp -a /home/bimal/rpm/SOURCES/thunderbird.png /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/share/pixmaps + mkdir -p /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin + ln -s /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin/thunderbird + ln -s /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot/usr/bin/thunderbird-bin + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-compress + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip /usr/bin/strip + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip-static-archive /usr/bin/strip + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip-comment-note /usr/bin/strip /usr/bin/objdump Processing files: thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9 Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot Wrote: /home/bimal/rpm/SRPMS/thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.src.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.27873 + umask 022 + cd /home/bimal/rpm/BUILD + cd thunderbird-1.0 + rm -rf /var/tmp/thunderbird-1.0-buildroot + exit 0 [bimal at bimal temp]$ so this will create a rpm package in /home/bimal/rpm/RPMS/i386/ directory while src.rpm in /home/bimal/rpm/SRPMS/ directory. now to install this rpm package do as(needs root access) [root at bimal temp]# rpm -ivh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.i386.rpm OR [root at bimal temp]# rpm -ivh /home/bimal/rpm/RPMS/i386/thunderbird-1.0-0.rh9.i386.rpm now this package(thunderbird-1.0) is available to all i mean to any common/general user!! To check this out, login as normal user(gui mode), click on redhat(main/start icon) --> Internet --> Mozilla Thunderbird Mail Client in the last, many many thanks to FedoraNEWS.ORG team especially to Mr.Thomas Chung and please dont forget to visit this site http://fedoranews.org/tchung/thunderbird/ , it has got lot of important/useful tutorials for duffers like me. So... Got it, OK, enjoy!!! mailing... -- regards, Bimal Pandit bimal.pandit at indoasian.com IndoAsian Fusegear Ltd. Noida, U.P ? 201305 Phone:- +91-120-2568472/2568093-098 Fax:- +91-120-2568473 Website:- www.indoasian.com Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. -- Anonymous From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Feb 2 08:43:13 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:43:13 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solution? Managing Identical logins In-Reply-To: <1107283183.41ffccef66769@webmail.telus.net> References: <1107283183.41ffccef66769@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <200502020843.14119.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 01 Feb 2005 6:39 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Attention script writers: > I just had an idea. Is it possible to run a script at beginning of login > that would do this > > #!/bin/sh > > if [$USER != root] > then > if [who | grep $USER] #this line needs some help > then > #abort login (not sure how to do this) > fi > fi > > basically check to see if the user is already logged in and abort login if > true. I am not familiar with bash script writing. It's on my to learn list. > > At least this way the student who is already logged on with the username > will not get kicked off. Only the second attempt to login with the same > username will fail. There is a posting about this very subject here http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-September/msg00567.html -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 2 11:23:13 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:23:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dual boot MBR, hdb question In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> Hi, I'm not teaching this year. I've waited tables, painted houses, and, now, I am working part-time for a software and technology development company. It's all proprietary stuff for the medical industry. I've signed non-disclosures, etc. They have me editing software on tools that are windows specific (becuase they are graphical tools. Obviously, I could edit code on any text editor). So, I had an extra 15gb drive hanging around., set it up as hdb and have installed XP on it (connected via that now, despite the fact that I have not installed a firewall or AV software yet on this drive...risky, eh? At least I'm using Moz mail, not LookOUT!) Anyway, I disconnected my main drive (to avoid any possibly silly errors) and installed as though the hdb were the first drive. My question is, when I reconnect my main drive (with K12 4.0.1, soon to be upgraded to 4.2, as soon as I backup sometime this week), can I simply edit Lilo and add an entry for the purposes of booting XP from the hdb? At this point, I am opening the case and disconnecting the first drive to boot the second, a pita. Also, I have mounted a windows partition in a dual boot system (3 years ago. At this point, I have not had windows at home for that 3 years). Will mounting the windows drive on the separate hdd be a simple as it was when it was a partition on the same drive? I have to say that I've been spoiled and have only worked with a single boot linux system for the past three years, so these issues have grown foggy. If mounting the second drive is as simple as mounting a windows partition, and editing Lilo will allow me to boot it, I can proceed on my own. I just thought I'd ask before attempting and possibly hosing my MBR or anything. tony From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 2 11:43:21 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency Message-ID: <20050202114321.C61B13A18@mprdmxin.myway.com> I know this is off-topic, but this is the only computer-related list I subscribe to. And I'm in a big hurry... My sister's laptop (Dell Inspiron 1150) is dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.1. I was ssh'd into her system, changing her hostname (I changed /etc/sysconfig/network and /etc/hosts). Then I rebooted her computer. But I forgot that she had her iPod plugged into the usb port, which from past experience I know will cause her computer not to boot up (never even gets to the boot loader--and I have no idea why). She was not available at the time to disconnect the iPod, so it sat. Now the computer will boot into both Windows and Mandrake, but it seems to not be able to find certain files. Mozilla in Windows won't open. X will not start up in Mandrake (gives a file not found error). I was able to ssh back into her computer, since Linux does boot up in text mode. I changed the host name back, just because I am superstitious, but it didn't improve anything. Her hard drive is clicking and the computer beeps at random. Any ideas? I'm 3000 miles away, and walking her through a complete reinstall of 2 operating systems over the phone is low on my list of things I'd like to do. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 2 11:59:56 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:59:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency Message-ID: <20050202115956.073753A00@mprdmxin.myway.com> Forgot to mention one other symptom: After the remote reboot, Mandrake would not mount the swap partition. I ssh'd in and deleted, then recreated the swap partition and now swap works. But all the other problems are still there. -Rob --- On Wed 02/02, Rob Owens < robowens at myway.com > wrote: From: Rob Owens [mailto: robowens at myway.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency
I know this is off-topic, but this is the only computer-related list I subscribe to. And I'm in a big hurry...

My sister's laptop (Dell Inspiron 1150) is dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.1. I was ssh'd into her system, changing her hostname (I changed /etc/sysconfig/network and /etc/hosts). Then I rebooted her computer.

But I forgot that she had her iPod plugged into the usb port, which from past experience I know will cause her computer not to boot up (never even gets to the boot loader--and I have no idea why). She was not available at the time to disconnect the iPod, so it sat.

Now the computer will boot into both Windows and Mandrake, but it seems to not be able to find certain files. Mozilla in Windows won't open. X will not start up in Mandrake (gives a file not found error).

I was able to ssh back into her computer, since Linux does boot up in text mode. I changed the host name back, just because I am superstitious, but ! it didn't improve anything.

Her hard drive is clicking and the computer beeps at random.

Any ideas? I'm 3000 miles away, and walking her through a complete reinstall of 2 operating systems over the phone is low on my list of things I'd like to do.

-Rob

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Feb 2 11:35:06 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 02 Feb 2005 19:35:06 +0800 Subject: power consumption - was RE: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1107344165.1055.143.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 09:44, Eric Brown wrote: -snip- > My problem is, when I get 22 of these old machines going with 20+ kids in > the room, it gets HOT. What's more, we are maxing out our electrical > service in our building. This is a perfect scenario for keeping your legacy client systems and swapping out the old, hot, electricity-guzzling 350W power supply and replacing it with a fan-less low voltage supply. This is picking up on a thread I started late last year, which was met with naysayers claiming that it wasn't worth the effort. That may be true if argument is based on electricity cost savings alone :-), but not with what you are experiencing. A power supply that I'm going to trial is an ATX 60W power supply intended for a thin client (VIA eden, or whatever) that I'm going to put into an old, disk-less i586 instead. I will report back to the group when I do - but don't hold your breath because I've been going to do it for a few months now :^). If anyone else has similar ideas, the unit I'm going to use is a Morex ATX 60W DC-DC converter with all the requisite power cables for motherboard and disk drives supplied http://www.morex.com.tw/mainpage2003.htm - look for "DC power supply" in the menu. The only disadvantage of this unit is that an external, regulated 12V adapter is required as well. Another type of unit that I'm going to look at has the advantage that it's a self-contained, fan-less adapter that converts from mains power (110-240V AC) to dual 12V and 5V output (ie, no other adapter required). These units are MUCH cheaper, but the disadvantage is that electrical knowledge is required to create the ATX power cables from the adapter to your motherboard. One unit I have is a Mean Well MP3108, but other Mean Well models exist that may be even more suitable (eg, triple output - not just dual output). Again, I'll report any results when I have them. Comments and sharing of similar experience welcomed. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 2 12:39:38 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:39:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff452050201122434889625@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050201112814.902233989@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff452050201122434889625@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8a7834adafbcddff17e8b56772cec73b@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 But they CAN clobber others work if they are in the same class using the same login. I must be missing something. > Therein lies the second half of the problem. The teachers don't want a > common share for all the classes to drop their work into. I suggested > that initially... and they gave me a flat no! They've been using > Windows file sharing permissions to keep the kids where they belong > (and keep them from clobbering the work of others) for several years. > They like this system and want to continue using it with the new > K12LTSP box. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIAygoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRKowCdFDoyDQh6JmvuvZ8wHwsl2V/S x5UAn0ms8n3CIIZYNCOzlnI1yjPIF6am =zWFf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 2 12:44:06 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:44:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050201213800.65045.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201213800.65045.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78f9878cf054a014370f1f000db87e75@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds to me like sendmail isn't relaying for outside traffic or is firewalled? (if mozilla is running from a different machine). If you can't send from mozilla on the server, then it sounds like a mozilla problem. > OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and made > some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail ... > then restart sendmail... then tried to send email > from the commandline like you showed me above (thanks > for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from the > command line. woo hoo! I can send it via Usermin. I > cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIAyxYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTzpgCePTPEjhgrtLteuejs5oja9MHz V6EAnj9hbE427KcII+TpqmI3TFuSYbMQ =GA18 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 2 13:02:35 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:02:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency In-Reply-To: <20050202115956.073753A00@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050202115956.073753A00@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <85269c9d466a1e8e618c6b19c2ca5321@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 you might try running smartd to see if your drive is reporting any errors, spinrite (grc.com) is also supposed to be really good at detecting drive errors, but it costs money. Finally, you might try your HD manufacturer's test program. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIAz2sACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTZiQCeI75ioGnvS3NlW7yxeUkXIEaJ g60An3TVQMSAwKzrhvet/QE/PhzGBYad =6er0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tuxnician at execulink.com Wed Feb 2 12:53:37 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:53:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Spreading the good news Message-ID: <4200CD51.9090605@execulink.com> Hi everyone, There is news that another school board in S.Ont has the LTSP bug and has installed LTSP. Apparently they are very excited about it how well it works. They wanted a big company to come in and design/build their systems. They were told that it can be done without them and use Computers for schools pc's. In Ontario and I think the rest of Canada there is a program similiar to the one Paul mentions called Computers for Schools. We have used them for the one LTSP and they work very well. I think our board may just have to start rethinking this option. Even our Mac teacher is willing to use Open Source. Jason From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Feb 2 14:09:08 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:09:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> <1107021715.21005.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000701c50930$c372fba0$0100a8c0@Marian> Thank you all, the problem is solved and was trivial. In computer shop installed me processor P4 without HT. After installing the correct one, with HT all work perfectly. I must changed standard kernel from distribution K12LTSP 4.2 to kernel with smp included. It was done by the valuable advice of Dan Yong: # yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot the instalation runs without problem via ADSL internet line. After instalation the new part menu appears in System settings->System loader. There it is needed to change the pointer for Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.741_FC3smp) /number of version may variable/ Then restart computer. All should work O.K. Do not forget enable Hyperthreading in BIOS! M.Pribik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Young" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hyperthreading > On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:34 +0100, M.Pribik wrote: > > Thank you Dan, > > The hypethreading in bios is enabled. I have no idea what to do with kernel. > > I believed that it would be enabled in kernel as standard. > > This time I bougth a new powerfull serverstation for school and I want to > > realize terminal station lab. Could you be more detailed what > > to do in steps? / Whether this kernel is somewhere on K12LTSP 4.2 distro CDs > > or should it be compiled or .../ > > Yeah, it's on the K12LTSP CDs. You're looking for the kernel-smp RPM, > which will install in parallel to the non-SMP kernel RPM. It contains > the Linux kernel compiled with SMP support. If you are online, as root: > > yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot > > This will download and install the latest version of the kernel, which > has some important bug-fixes that the one on the install CDs will not. > It also installs a GUI tool for picking the kernel it will boot by > default. You can find it under Applications, System Settings, > Bootloader. > > There are other ways that you can make sure it boots from the smp > kernel. You could also just be at the console when it boots to select it > from the the GRUB bootloader menu, or you could edit /etc/grub.conf to > set it as the default (see the default=0 parameter). Note that the > default parameter is zero-indexed, meaning 0 indicates the first kernel > listed, 1 the second, 2 the third, and so on. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.987 (20050128) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 2 14:10:27 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:10:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Message-ID: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> But if they have been using Windows file sharing permissions, then they must have to log in as a unique user at some point, no? I'm not very familiar w/ Windows file sharing permissions, so I might be wrong, but I can't figure out how (as you are saying they are doing under your school's existing system) you could keep each kid's work separate w/o having a unique login for each kid. I'm sure I must be missing something here... -Rob --- On Tue 02/01, Tom Lisjac < netdxr at gmail.com > wrote: From: Tom Lisjac [mailto: netdxr at gmail.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:24:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:58:07 -0500, David Trask
wrote:
> Here's where the problem lies....you are trying to make a multi-user
> environment into a single-user environment. Unlike your probable current
> situation....the users data is saved locally on the hard drive. Thus you
> can use the same login for everyone as they physically are on different
> machines. In an LTSP situation....they are all on the same machine...and
> under your proposal...the same account. Each time certain programs load
> and execute there are certain things that get written to the user's
> "profile" in the home directory. There are a multitude of hidden files
> such as .gnome, .kde, .mozilla....etc. While Mozilla and OO will be the
> biggies, there are many other programs that will also cause issues. When
> one student makes a change it writes to the home directory....if you have
> multiple logins to the same home directory...im! agine the collisions.

Yes, that summarized the first half of the problem perfectly.

> Some
> where here on the list or in the wiki is a method for "auto-login" of
> workstations. Thus you could have each workstation log in automatically
> to its own account.....create a location (common) as a drop box for
> storing files....and that way have your cake and eat it too.

Therein lies the second half of the problem. The teachers don't want a
common share for all the classes to drop their work into. I suggested
that initially... and they gave me a flat no! They've been using
Windows file sharing permissions to keep the kids where they belong
(and keep them from clobbering the work of others) for several years.
They like this system and want to continue using it with the new
K12LTSP box.

So to satisfy both requirements, I need to create a unique directory
name at login for each user (such as /home/grade8-ws215) whileretaining the grade8 username for the sid that samba uses to! walk th e
directory tree of the file server.

Thanks!

-Tom

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 2 14:16:57 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:16:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency Message-ID: <20050202141657.553363A6B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Thanks. I'm looking into smartd right now. Is it possible for a usb device like an iPod to screw up the partition table or the bios? I really suspect that the problem has to do w/ the iPod, but I can't understand why it would have the ability to do this kind of damage. -Rob --- On Wed 02/02, Burke Almquist < balmquist at mindfirestudios.com > wrote: From: Burke Almquist [mailto: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com] To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:02:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Finally, you might try your HD manufacturer's test program.
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Feb 2 14:20:34 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:20:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Internationalization Message-ID: <1107354034.3677.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, I trust you're all having a wonderful day. I had a quick (hopefully) question regarding languages. When I installed on K12 setup here I made sure to install several languages (Korean, Chinese, and Japanese in addition to English). We have several international students here who would like to be able to type in their native language. If we log in and select say...Korean as the language for the session the menus will display in the language, but if we open OO.o and try to type, it still uses normal English characters. Even if we change the font from Times Roman to one of the Korean fonts it still displays english characters. Any ideas on how to change this? Thanks in advance. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 2 14:28:18 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:28:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency In-Reply-To: <20050202141657.553363A6B@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050202141657.553363A6B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <4200E382.6060001@maltzen.net> My neighbor re-installed his Windows box from scratch a few months ago--it was either XP or ME, I can't remember which. He had forgotten that his iPod was attached during this, and afterward discoverd that all the music he had on the iPod was trashed/gone/unavailable. I can't see any logical connection between his experience and yours, aside from the correlation that anytime a change is made to the OS, having an iPod connected during the change seems to wreak havoc. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks. I'm looking into smartd right now. > > Is it possible for a usb device like an iPod to screw up the partition table or the bios? I really suspect that the problem has to do w/ the iPod, but I can't understand why it would have the ability to do this kind of damage. > > -Rob > > > --- On Wed 02/02, Burke Almquist < balmquist at mindfirestudios.com > wrote: > From: Burke Almquist [mailto: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com] > To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:02:35 -0600 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 2 14:48:19 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:48:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] second drive lilo question Message-ID: <4200E833.3080805@snet.net> I tried to send a msg earlier, but don't see it. Anyway, I had an extra 15gb drive, so installed XP on it, for use in my present part-time job (need devtools that are M$ specific). I installed the drive as hdb, installed XP on it, editied lilo.conf by adding other: /dev/hdb2 name: msxp table: /dev/hdb I've tried with other: /dev/hdb1 but that wasn't sure if that made sense to me, since XP is on the second partition of that drive, although, I am assuming that XP did rewrite the MBR on that drive, and hdb1 would be the boot sector. Nonetheless, that configuration didn't work, either. I can reboot my Linux fine, of course, but, presently, the only way I can boot the XP drive is to halt the system, pull the plug on the main drive (my k12 installation) and boot from the second hdd. I did re-run lilo to compile with the new settings each time. When I give Lilo the command to boot msxp the machine just hangs, and hangs, and hangs, and does nothing. for a long time. regardless of whic of these configurations I've tried. So, I'm assuming that something I told it was incorrect and it's not finding the XP to boot it. hda is linux hdb is XP gracias, mis amigos. tony From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 2 15:20:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:20:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush In-Reply-To: <200502011841.j11IfTD28476@downeast.net> Message-ID: <002501c5093a$b8a213f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim Can you share your lts.conf for the puke green bondi's..i > cant get around the VBIOS error..(chuck Chuck, I was able to get the Bondi's to boot without any special lts.conf settings. But just in case here it is. If you can get sound working let me know what you did. I added in SOUND_DAEMON and VOLUME the other day to no avail. I don't recall the VBIOS error. Does it grab yaboot and the kernel and start to boot then arrive at the error just before loading X? # # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) # # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt # # # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) # [Default] SERVER = 10.6.1.126 XSERVER = auto X4_MODULE_01 = glx X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = Y # SCREEN_01 = shell SCREEN_01 = startx SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" VOLUME = 50 #[ws006] # MODULE_01 = keybdev # MODULE_01 = usbmouse # MODULE_02 = usbkbd -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 15:23:30 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:23:30 -0500 Subject: power consumption - was RE: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs Message-ID: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> Would it be possible to simply disconnect 3/4 of the power supplies and run them off of the remaining powersupplies? A few feet of wires would do the trick. -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 2 15:37:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:37:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush Message-ID: <200502021438.j12Ecxk02826@downeast.net> someone else gave up on these tweo machines so maybe that is a sign...thanks for the comeback...chuck > > Jim Can you share your lts.conf for the puke green bondi's..i > > cant get around the VBIOS error..(chuck > > Chuck, I was able to get the Bondi's to boot without any special > lts.conf settings. But just in case here it is. If you can get sound > working let me know what you did. I added in SOUND_DAEMON and VOLUME > the other day to no avail. I don't recall the VBIOS error. Does it > grab yaboot and the kernel and start to boot then arrive at the error > just before loading X? > > # > # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) > # > # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. > # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt > # > # > # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) > # > > [Default] > SERVER = 10.6.1.126 > XSERVER = auto > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = Y > # SCREEN_01 = shell > SCREEN_01 = startx > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > VOLUME = 50 > > #[ws006] > # MODULE_01 = keybdev > # MODULE_01 = usbmouse > # MODULE_02 = usbkbd > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 2 15:38:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:38:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush Message-ID: <200502021440.j12Eekk03095@downeast.net> Jim: btw i was successful reimaging a n ibook by booting to a shell and dd ing an image to /dev/hda..chuck > > Jim Can you share your lts.conf for the puke green bondi's..i > > cant get around the VBIOS error..(chuck > > Chuck, I was able to get the Bondi's to boot without any special > lts.conf settings. But just in case here it is. If you can get sound > working let me know what you did. I added in SOUND_DAEMON and VOLUME > the other day to no avail. I don't recall the VBIOS error. Does it > grab yaboot and the kernel and start to boot then arrive at the error > just before loading X? > > # > # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) > # > # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. > # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt > # > # > # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) > # > > [Default] > SERVER = 10.6.1.126 > XSERVER = auto > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = Y > # SCREEN_01 = shell > SCREEN_01 = startx > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > VOLUME = 50 > > #[ws006] > # MODULE_01 = keybdev > # MODULE_01 = usbmouse > # MODULE_02 = usbkbd > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 17:54:04 2005 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <20050202170050.7E73A743B4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, What are people using for help desk software? We are looking for something that will generate tickets, interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain a knowledgebase. Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 18:03:16 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <78f9878cf054a014370f1f000db87e75@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20050202180317.21689.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> --- Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sounds to me like sendmail isn't relaying for > outside traffic or is > firewalled? (if mozilla is running from a different > machine). If you > can't send from mozilla on the server, then it > sounds like a mozilla > problem. > > > OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and > made > > some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail > ... > > then restart sendmail... then tried to send email > > from the commandline like you showed me above > (thanks > > for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from > the > > command line. woo hoo! I can send it via > Usermin. I > > cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. > > this was originally a RedHat 8.0 install (K12LTSP 3.0.0). it worked fine then. did an apt-get upgrade which upgraded sendmail, then all of a sudden i'm not able to send mail from mozilla mail (anywhere in my network EXCEPT the server). what changed from the original sendmail rpm with RH8 to the upgraded version on the LTSP apt repository? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dalen at czexan.net Wed Feb 2 18:13:22 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:13:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42011842.7060405@czexan.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > A user on the backuppc list recently posted a link to his > step by step HOWTO for fedora: > http://www.mybizguard.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=10 > It assumes that you know how to use CPAN to install perl modules > and the clients are windows boxes using the cygwin rsync program > but if anyone gets that far and has trouble or wants to use > a different client target or method I'll be happy to answer > questions. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com Les, The instructions work well (so far so good). I did notice that BackupPC looks for par2 which was not in FC2 and I could not find it. Is this neccesary? If so, do you know where I can get it? Also, I wanted to mention that I use the rsyncd method with the cwRsync win client from http://www.itefix.no/ and it seems to work good. If anyone has trouble with cygwin-rsyncd, you can give cwRsync a try. Thanks, Dale From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 2 18:15:04 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:15:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050202180317.21689.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202180317.21689.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e4ad0bb821538e9e6692ac6d615a9d0@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Are there any .rpmsave files in /etc/mail? On Feb 2, 2005, at 12:03 PM, richard ingalls wrote: > > --- Burke Almquist > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Sounds to me like sendmail isn't relaying for >> outside traffic or is >> firewalled? (if mozilla is running from a different >> machine). If you >> can't send from mozilla on the server, then it >> sounds like a mozilla >> problem. >> >>> OK i checked the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file and >> made >>> some adjustments there... then make -C /etc/mail >> ... >>> then restart sendmail... then tried to send email >>> from the commandline like you showed me above >> (thanks >>> for that!)... and viola! I CAN SEND EMAIL from >> the >>> command line. woo hoo! I can send it via >> Usermin. I >>> cannot use Mozilla's mail client however. >>> > > this was originally a RedHat 8.0 install (K12LTSP > 3.0.0). it worked fine then. did an apt-get upgrade > which upgraded sendmail, then all of a sudden i'm not > able to send mail from mozilla mail (anywhere in my > network EXCEPT the server). what changed from the > original sendmail rpm with RH8 to the upgraded version > on the LTSP apt repository? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIBGKgACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSbJQCePrS6KRYfMG2JXpv316EwypAg ZcsAn0Fk4cwxq3FpaRxhe0KVFLrpitTu =W3tT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Feb 2 18:30:45 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 03 Feb 2005 02:30:45 +0800 Subject: power consumption - was RE: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020210067e3aa803@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> <1107365874.1059.157.camel@compaq.mydomain> <1761a09805020210067e3aa803@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107369051.1059.178.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 02:06, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > These are low voltages, correct? I'm not expert but I understand that > the lower the voltage the bigger the wire needs to be to carry it > without a voltage drop. If we figure 5 computers on one power supply > the furthest ones would be about 5 feet away from the power supply. Do > we have anyone who knows if this would be a factor? FYI: You have three voltages on ATX power supplies: 3.3, 5 & 12V DC and different wires carry different currents for each. You are right in stating that lower voltages require bigger wires/conductors to travel along to avoid power loss with distance. However, if you are talking only up to five feet (<2m) then you would get away with extending the conductors with wiring as large as that already coming from the power supply (as a guide), which is something like 14/0.20mm (that's wire talk and means 14 strands each of 0.2mm thickness - equivalent to light weight speaker wire in your car). If you have the knowledge, or the assistance of someone with that knowledge, then what you are proposing is workable and a good initiative. However, it will look like a mess of spaghetti behind your PCs and the best option would be to have a junction box in which all the wires branch or terminate and then use a single cable with the requisite number of conductors (say 8, or whatever) in one sheath to go to each PC. Also, there is potential to get one of the many conductors mixed up and fry your motherboard if you make a mistake. That said, I believe you have hit on it is the best low-cost option for saving heat, noise and power. Regards, Gavin > > > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:38:01 -0800 (PST), Gavin Chester > wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 23:23, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > > > Would it be possible to simply disconnect 3/4 of the power supplies > > > and run them off of the remaining powersupplies? > > > A few feet of wires would do the trick. > > > > Good idea - that would be the cheapest option if the computers are all > > in one lab and wiring runs didn't exceed a few metres each to avoid > > power loss over thin wires. > > > > However, that would get into the realm of having sound knowledge of your > > electrical wiring requirements to be able to patch together "branches" > > of ATX wiring coming from each individual power supply. You would also > > have to make sure that each voltage & conductor combo didn't exceed the > > rating of the power supply. That is, if you look at the specs of your > > power supply you'll see, for example, that one conductor is rated at > > 0.5A @ +5V, another conductor at 3.5A @ +5V, and so on. In other words, > > I'm repeating the warning "sound knowledge of your electrical wiring > > requirements" are mandatory for any option like this. > > > > In an ideal world I'd like to see a complete K12LTSP lab running on > > solar power - combine that with recycled cast-off thin clients and then > > you would have an environmental/political statement worth making :^) > > > > BTW: it helps the flow of reading in a threaded mail list if you retain > > pertinent parts of the previous postings so that new-comers to the > > thread can see what you are replying to :^) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Gavin Chester > > > > > > > -- > MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Feb 2 18:32:12 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 03 Feb 2005 02:32:12 +0800 Subject: power consumption - was RE: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107369134.1055.181.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 23:23, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > Would it be possible to simply disconnect 3/4 of the power supplies > and run them off of the remaining powersupplies? > A few feet of wires would do the trick. Good idea - that would be the cheapest option if the computers are all in one lab and wiring runs didn't exceed a few metres each to avoid power loss over thin wires. However, that would get into the realm of having sound knowledge of your electrical wiring requirements to be able to patch together "branches" of ATX wiring coming from each individual power supply. You would also have to make sure that each voltage & conductor combo didn't exceed the rating of the power supply. That is, if you look at the specs of your power supply you'll see, for example, that one conductor is rated at 0.5A @ +5V, another conductor at 3.5A @ +5V, and so on. In other words, I'm repeating the warning "sound knowledge of your electrical wiring requirements" are mandatory for any option like this. In an ideal world I'd like to see a complete K12LTSP lab running on solar power - combine that with recycled cast-off thin clients and then you would have an environmental/political statement worth making :^) BTW: it helps the flow of reading in a threaded mail list if you retain pertinent parts of the previous postings so that new-comers to the thread can see what you are replying to :^) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 2 18:40:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:40:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107369623.20662.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 11:54, David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > What are people using for help desk software? We are > looking for something that will generate tickets, > interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain > a knowledgebase. Thanks. This one isn't exactly trivial to install but it is free and very good: Request Tracker (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 2 18:50:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:50:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050202180317.21689.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202180317.21689.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107370252.20662.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:03, richard ingalls wrote: > this was originally a RedHat 8.0 install (K12LTSP > 3.0.0). it worked fine then. did an apt-get upgrade > which upgraded sendmail, then all of a sudden i'm not > able to send mail from mozilla mail (anywhere in my > network EXCEPT the server). what changed from the > original sendmail rpm with RH8 to the upgraded version > on the LTSP apt repository? I'm not sure when the default was changed, but that is the correct behavior for an unmodified Redhat/fedora sendmail. You have to change this line in sendmail.mc DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl to DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl then rebuild sendmail.cf and restart sendmail if you want it to accept mail over the network. You also have to add your network address to a line in /etc/mail/access like: 192.168.0 RELAY for networks that should be able to forward non-local mail out through this server (and rebuild the access.db database). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 2 19:05:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:05:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush In-Reply-To: <200502021440.j12Eekk03095@downeast.net> Message-ID: <005501c5095a$38e3d890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim: btw i was successful reimaging a n ibook by booting to > a shell and dd ing an image to /dev/hda..chuck What is your plan with the image? Do you hope to use it as a OSX base for thins? I did get the iBook Clamshell to boot also with no special settings. The snow iBook I had to take the XF86Config from a running system then move it to /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.snowibook and in lts.conf point any iBook with wsxxx to the specific X config. I will build a local of YDL on any Mac that is not recognized automatically and put the XF86Config from those systems into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.machinetype before packaging this all back up. Then the configs will be available to just select in lts.conf in the future. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 2 19:03:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:03:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <42011842.7060405@czexan.net> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42011842.7060405@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1107370987.20662.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:13, Dale Sykora wrote: > The instructions work well (so far so good). I did notice that > BackupPC looks for par2 which was not in FC2 and I could not find it. > Is this neccesary? If so, do you know where I can get it? Also, I > wanted to mention that I use the rsyncd method with the cwRsync win > client from http://www.itefix.no/ and it seems to work good. If anyone > has trouble with cygwin-rsyncd, you can give cwRsync a try. Par2 is only used for 'archive' hosts if you set $Conf{ArchivePar} to something other than 0. Then it generates some error-correcting parity bits in the output files. However, it does still complain if the program doesn't exist. I think I found my copy here: http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ An 'archive' host is used if you want to convert the compressed/linked files into a normal tar copy optionally split into fixed-size chunks for writing to tape/cd/dvd, etc. so you can archive it forever or take it offsite. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Feb 2 19:29:25 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:29:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem Message-ID: <42012A15.6090502@msln.net> I've about 5 hrs in this and haven't been able to figure this out. I loaded nx from the yum option and all went well.(4.2.0) First I had a pam auth failure. I went into the etc/pam.d/sercurity-auth.conf and the success line to < 101 for authorizing uid. That got me alittle farther. Now I get NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 31251 NX> 285 Enabling check on switch command NX> 285 Enabling skip of SSH config files NX> 200 Connected to address: 169.244.34.144 on port: 22 NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey NX> 204 Authentication failed. I thought the install program took care of the nx user auth. What am I missing? Any help appreciated Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 19:31:06 2005 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: help desk software In-Reply-To: <20050202190442.E7C68734BD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050202193107.83802.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Les! On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 11:54, David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > What are people using for help desk software? We are > looking for something that will generate tickets, > interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain > a knowledgebase. Thanks. This one isn't exactly trivial to install but it is free and very good: Request Tracker (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From trondrm at online.no Wed Feb 2 20:04:28 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:04:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem In-Reply-To: <42012A15.6090502@msln.net> References: <42012A15.6090502@msln.net> Message-ID: <1107374668.4041.5.camel@deepspace9> ons, 02,.02.2005 kl. 14.29 -0500, skrev Mark Gumprecht: > I've about 5 hrs in this and haven't been able to figure this out. I > loaded nx from the yum option and all went well.(4.2.0) First I had a > pam auth failure. I went into the etc/pam.d/sercurity-auth.conf and the > success line to < 101 for authorizing uid. That got me alittle farther. > Now I get > > NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 31251 > NX> 285 Enabling check on switch command > NX> 285 Enabling skip of SSH config files > NX> 200 Connected to address: 169.244.34.144 on port: 22 > NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx > NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey > NX> 204 Authentication failed. > > I thought the install program took care of the nx user auth. What am I > missing? > Any help appreciated > Mark I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey For me all those steps were necessary. I got this from #ltsp on irc. Forgive me if the paths are slightly wrong. I'm doing this from memory, but I think it's close to the target :=) Hope this helps! Trond From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 20:05:29 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:05:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <1107370252.20662.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050202200529.44129.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:03, richard ingalls wrote: > > > this was originally a RedHat 8.0 install (K12LTSP > > 3.0.0). it worked fine then. did an apt-get > upgrade > > which upgraded sendmail, then all of a sudden i'm > not > > able to send mail from mozilla mail (anywhere in > my > > network EXCEPT the server). what changed from the > > original sendmail rpm with RH8 to the upgraded > version > > on the LTSP apt repository? > > I'm not sure when the default was changed, but that > is > the correct behavior for an unmodified Redhat/fedora > sendmail. > You have to change this line in sendmail.mc > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, > Name=MTA')dnl > to > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl > then rebuild sendmail.cf and restart sendmail if you > want it > to accept mail over the network. You also have to > add your network address to a line in > /etc/mail/access > like: > 192.168.0 RELAY > for networks that should be able to forward > non-local mail > out through this server (and rebuild the access.db > database). > OK, here is some more info... I can send mail from the server - no problem. I can use Mozilla mail to check my emails, but I CAN'T REPLY to them... I can use Usermin to check my emails and reply to them. Mozilla mail or Thunderbird or some other MUA are the culprits that CANNOT SEND (from a client in the network). I have my laptop's ip# in the /etc/mail/relay-domains (as well as several other ip#'s from my network). I have my domain in the /etc/mail/access xxx.xxx.xxx RELAY (that should allow everyone in my domain to send, right?) This is a RH8 box with upgraded sendmail rpms (8.12.8) via the k12ltsp apt repositories. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 2 20:21:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:21:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush Message-ID: <200502021923.j12JNdk20665@downeast.net> well in maine we have 7th and 8th grade ibooks..to reimage with firewire takes forever..trask got osx server to do the reimager but i always wanted to do same..reimage a dozen at a time...so that is where i am going wwith this..i have like three hundred to think about chuck > > Jim: btw i was successful reimaging a n ibook by booting to > > a shell and dd ing an image to /dev/hda..chuck > > What is your plan with the image? Do you hope to use it as a OSX base > for thins? > > I did get the iBook Clamshell to boot also with no special settings. > The snow iBook I had to take the XF86Config from a running system then > move it to /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.snowibook and in lts.conf point > any iBook with wsxxx to the specific X config. I will build a local of > YDL on any Mac that is not recognized automatically and put the > XF86Config from those systems into > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.machinetype before packaging this all back > up. Then the configs will be available to just select in lts.conf in > the future. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 2 20:29:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:29:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050202200529.44129.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006701c50965$e44b1580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > OK, here is some more info... I can send mail from the > server - no problem. I can use Mozilla mail to check > my emails, but I CAN'T REPLY to them... I can use > Usermin to check my emails and reply to them. Mozilla > mail or Thunderbird or some other MUA are the culprits > that CANNOT SEND (from a client in the network). > > I have my laptop's ip# in the /etc/mail/relay-domains > (as well as several other ip#'s from my network). > > I have my domain in the /etc/mail/access xxx.xxx.xxx > RELAY (that should allow everyone in my domain to > send, right?) > > This is a RH8 box with upgraded sendmail rpms (8.12.8) > via the k12ltsp apt repositories. I would follow Les' options and reconfigure the DAEMON_OPTIONS. Since it works from command on the machine, and through usermin (which is running from the local machine as well), it further proves that only clients not on the local machine are working. And Les' suggestion implies that the DAEMON_OPTIONS along with the relay options are needed to send. Since you did a yum upgrade just before this happened it sounds like a safe bet. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 2 20:31:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:31:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush In-Reply-To: <200502021923.j12JNdk20665@downeast.net> Message-ID: <006801c50966$339d2ce0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > well in maine we have 7th and 8th grade ibooks..to reimage > with firewire takes forever..trask got osx server to do the > reimager but i always wanted to do same..reimage a dozen at a > time...so that is where i am going wwith this..i have like > three hundred to think about chuck > > > Jim: btw i was successful reimaging a n ibook by booting to > > > a shell and dd ing an image to /dev/hda..chuck How do you plan on deploying that image back to the other ibooks? Over the network from the server? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Wed Feb 2 21:02:18 2005 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:02:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202170050.7E73A743B4@hormel.redhat.com> <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1274.10.20.1.67.1107378138.squirrel@10.20.1.67> We tried several different ones and this one is the only one our technicians really used. http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com/ We have used it for almost two years and although I need to upgrade to the newer version it has worked very well for us. Michael > Hi all, > What are people using for help desk software? We are > looking for something that will generate tickets, > interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain > a knowledgebase. Thanks. > Dave > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 2 21:22:56 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:22:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] second drive lilo question In-Reply-To: <4200E833.3080805@snet.net> References: <4200E833.3080805@snet.net> Message-ID: <420144B0.60608@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > I tried to send a msg earlier, but don't see it. > Anyway, I had an extra 15gb drive, so installed XP on it, for use > in my present part-time job (need devtools that are M$ specific). > I installed the drive as hdb, installed XP on it, > editied lilo.conf by adding > > other: /dev/hdb2 > name: msxp > table: /dev/hdb > > I've tried with > other: /dev/hdb1 > but that wasn't sure if that made sense to me, since XP is on the second > partition of that drive, although, I am assuming that XP did rewrite the > MBR on that drive, and hdb1 would be the boot sector. > Nonetheless, that configuration didn't work, either. > I can reboot my Linux fine, of course, but, presently, the only way I > can boot the XP drive is to halt the system, pull the plug on the main > drive (my k12 installation) and boot from the second hdd. > I did re-run lilo to compile with the new settings each time. > > When I give Lilo the command to boot msxp > the machine just hangs, and hangs, and hangs, and does nothing. > for a long time. > regardless of whic of these configurations I've tried. > So, I'm assuming that something I told it was incorrect and it's > not finding the XP to boot it. > > hda is linux > hdb is XP > > gracias, mis amigos. > > tony > I have been able to mount the windows drive (had to dl kernel-ntfs support). mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/windope -t ntfs But, I still can't get lilo to boot it. So, I know it's there, but it won't boot from Lilo. I can boot it by disconnecting the first drive. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Wed Feb 2 21:26:14 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:26:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <1107370987.20662.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42011842.7060405@czexan.net> <1107370987.20662.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42014576.6010007@czexan.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:13, Dale Sykora wrote: > > >> The instructions work well (so far so good). I did notice that >>BackupPC looks for par2 which was not in FC2 and I could not find it. >>Is this neccesary? If so, do you know where I can get it? Also, I >>wanted to mention that I use the rsyncd method with the cwRsync win >>client from http://www.itefix.no/ and it seems to work good. If anyone >>has trouble with cygwin-rsyncd, you can give cwRsync a try. > > > Par2 is only used for 'archive' hosts if you set $Conf{ArchivePar} to > something other than 0. Then it generates some error-correcting > parity bits in the output files. However, it does still complain > if the program doesn't exist. I think I found my copy here: > http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ > > An 'archive' host is used if you want to convert the compressed/linked > files into a normal tar copy optionally split into fixed-size chunks > for writing to tape/cd/dvd, etc. so you can archive it forever or take > it offsite. > Les, Thanks for the pointer. I was able to compile par2 from the source you mentioned. I have a few more questions and we can take this offlist (if that is more appropriate). Can I have more than 1 backup schedule per host? For instance, I have a host with 2 data areas. One data area is changed often and I would like daily full/hourly incremental schedule. The second data area changes less often and I would like weekly full/daily incremental. Is this possible? The other question is what appears to be a day light savings time bug. Notice the time difference reported for full start and incremental started back to. 2005-02-02 09:35:52 full backup started for directory eda 2005-02-02 10:32:47 full backup 0 complete, 31301 files, 2016313953 bytes, 0 xferErrs (0 bad files, 0 bad shares, 0 other) 2005-02-02 14:17:48 incr backup started back to 2005-02-02 08:35:52 for directory eda 2005-02-02 14:43:40 incr backup 1 complete, 5895 files, 1286108844 bytes, 0 xferErrs (0 bad files, 0 bad shares, 0 other) Thanks, Dale From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 2 21:32:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:32:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP installer questions Message-ID: <006c01c5096e$aa8829b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> 1. Can you simply enter 0 or nothing at the maximum password age prompt for unlimited (never expires)? 2. Will the adduser in Webmin still work with this as long as it is set to sync with Samba users? Or will I have to use the bulk add scripts? 3. In order to run the netlogon.bat do I just copy the file local to the Windows machines and set that to run on startup? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Feb 2 21:21:13 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:21:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness In-Reply-To: <20050202190442.BA63F7338E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050202190442.BA63F7338E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1107379273.654.53.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, We've got a small problem and I can't quit figure out what's going on. Here's the scenario: Three Servers. Home is nfs mounted off server_1 Mrs. Teacher logs on to her terminal which is connected to server 3 Her desktop theme is generic Gnome icons and such and she cannot change her icon set. Mrs. Teacher logs on to either server_1 or server_2 and she has the nice bluecurv icons and she can change her icon set. Other users can customize their theme icons on server_3 Any ideas? Thanks John From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 2 21:48:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:48:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <42014576.6010007@czexan.net> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42011842.7060405@czexan.net> <1107370987.20662.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42014576.6010007@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1107380890.24548.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 15:26, Dale Sykora wrote: > Thanks for the pointer. I was able to compile par2 from the source you > mentioned. I have a few more questions and we can take this offlist (if > that is more appropriate). Can I have more than 1 backup schedule per > host? For instance, I have a host with 2 data areas. One data area is > changed often and I would like daily full/hourly incremental schedule. > The second data area changes less often and I would like weekly > full/daily incremental. Is this possible? You have to make these look like 2 different machines with different names in the hosts file, but use $Conf{ClientNameAlias} to specify the 'real' name in the per-pc config file. That way you can have different configurations that go to different areas of the same machine. On the other hand, unless the less-frequently changing part is huge it probably wouldn't hurt that much to include it every time if you use rsync for the backup method. > The other question is what > appears to be a day light savings time bug. Notice the time difference > reported for full start and incremental started back to. I think that basing incrementals on a time 1 hour before the last full is intentional, just to avoid any race condition. It also doesn't matter much if you use rsync as the backup method because it will catch any files that didn't exist in the previous full regardless of the timestamp. With tar or smb, incrementals are based only on the timestamp. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 2 21:53:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:53:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness In-Reply-To: <1107379273.654.53.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20050202190442.BA63F7338E@hormel.redhat.com> <1107379273.654.53.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <42014BE9.4000802@maltzen.net> What are the file permissions in the teacher's $HOME when it's mounted on server 3? Petre John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > We've got a small problem and I can't quit figure out what's going on. > Here's the scenario: > > Three Servers. > Home is nfs mounted off server_1 > > Mrs. Teacher logs on to her terminal which is connected to server 3 > Her desktop theme is generic Gnome icons and such and she cannot > change her icon set. > > Mrs. Teacher logs on to either server_1 or server_2 and she has the > nice bluecurv icons and she can change her icon set. > > Other users can customize their theme icons on server_3 > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From netdxr at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 21:57:45 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:57:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:10:27 -0500 (EST), Rob Owens wrote: > > But if they have been using Windows file sharing permissions, then they must have to log in as a unique user at some point, no? No. Simultaneous logins using the same account is possible. The same is true with Linux. -Tom From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Wed Feb 2 22:12:56 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:12:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush In-Reply-To: <006801c50966$339d2ce0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006801c50966$339d2ce0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <389a5cbbf187faac7723b2e8cd161326@canby.k12.or.us> see the netrestore page at http://www.bombich.com . we use this to restore 100's of these every year in our district. Joe On Feb 2, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> well in maine we have 7th and 8th grade ibooks..to reimage >> with firewire takes forever..trask got osx server to do the >> reimager but i always wanted to do same..reimage a dozen at a >> time...so that is where i am going wwith this..i have like >> three hundred to think about chuck >>>> Jim: btw i was successful reimaging a n ibook by booting to >>>> a shell and dd ing an image to /dev/hda..chuck > > How do you plan on deploying that image back to the other ibooks? Over > the network from the server? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 2 22:39:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:39:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 15:57, Tom Lisjac wrote: > > > > But if they have been using Windows file sharing permissions, then they must have to log in as a unique user at some point, no? > > No. > > Simultaneous logins using the same account is possible. The same is > true with Linux. If you are willing to accept anyone being able to delete, copy or overwrite anyone else's work... That doesn't sound reasonable in a hostile environment like a school. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Feb 3 00:47:44 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:47:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107391665.20898.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 09:54 -0800, David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > What are people using for help desk software? We are > looking for something that will generate tickets, > interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain > a knowledgebase. Thanks. Not sure if this fits the KB requirement, but I thought it was interesting: http://roundup.sourceforge.net/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 3 01:10:45 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:10:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Geo-Logo TERC Math Investigations Software and K12LTSP Message-ID: <42017A15.1080404@earthlink.net> Just wondering if anyone here has any experience with the software that comes with this math curriculum? Here is the unit I believe is coming up and the teacher would like to know if this software can installed and run on our clients. Has anyone else run into this in their school -- I noticed this curriculum is used in Portland Public Schools -- perhaps someone here on this list might be familiar with this windows/mac software. Could it possibly be run with crossover office or wine? http://investigations.scottforesman.com/software/index.html Thanks for any help. Rita Gibson RMSELTech From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 01:08:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:08:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> < > <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 5:39 PM +0000 wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 15:57, Tom Lisjac wrote: >> > >> > But if they have been using Windows file sharing permissions, then >they must have to log in as a unique user at some point, no? >> >> No. >> >> Simultaneous logins using the same account is possible. The same is >> true with Linux. > >If you are willing to accept anyone being able to delete, copy or >overwrite anyone else's work... That doesn't sound reasonable in >a hostile environment like a school. Let me ask this....what version of Windows? 98, 2000, XP? Are you using a domain or simply using workgroups. Are you creating the individual student folders one by one? Are students the ONLY ones able to create and delete files in their own folder? If so then how can you have truly individual permissions if you don't have individual logins? Either we're missing something or you've managed to do the impossible. The only other thing I can imagine you're doing is that users log on to the machine with a common user account and then connect to a share where they are prompted to enter another more specific username and password. Can you describe from start to finish how you are supposedly having students able to log in with a common user account, yet save to a totally individual folder that no other students can add and delete from? Maybe we're missing something here..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 01:12:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:12:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] jIM kronebush In-Reply-To: <389a5cbbf187faac7723b2e8cd161326@canby.k12.or.us> References: <389a5cbbf187faac7723b2e8cd161326@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 5:12 PM +0000 wrote: >>> well in maine we have 7th and 8th grade ibooks..to reimage >>> with firewire takes forever..trask got osx server to do the >>> reimager See here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 02:16:14 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:16:14 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? Message-ID: <020320050216.14494.4201896E0009E5270000389E22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> We have 3 K12LTSP servers, 700 accounts (640 students, 60 staff), with 150 thin clients. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized > I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of > users on an installation so we could give out the total number of > people using it on a given day. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 03:30:18 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:30:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Locked out of MySql Message-ID: <1761a09805020219304777b13b@mail.gmail.com> And I was so close! After a longg time trying to get linux working and php and mysql etc I finally got it working. I even started the installation of Moodle. Everything was fine, except xampp was telling me none of it was secure. So I set passwords for everything, Now MySql won't let me in. I'm almost positive I've got the right user name and password. The bottom line is I need to reset mysqls password and username. Can someone guide to where I can do that?? This is a xampp instal on a k12ltsp fedora system. Tjamls. -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Feb 3 04:18:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:18:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness Message-ID: <1107404300.16520.440.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Yes, I see what you are getting at. It's a permissions issue. The permissions of and in her home directory look correct. All the accounts are created on server_1 then a script copies /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/hosts /etc/samba/smbpasswd over to server 2 & 3 so it's not a permissions variance between servers. John From: Petre Scheie ________________________________________________________________________ What are the file permissions in the teacher's $HOME when it's mounted on server 3? Petre John Baillie wrote: Hello, We've got a small problem and I can't quit figure out what's going on. Here's the scenario: Three Servers. Home is nfs mounted off server_1 Mrs. Teacher logs on to her terminal which is connected to server 3 Her desktop theme is generic Gnome icons and such and she cannot change her icon set. Mrs. Teacher logs on to either server_1 or server_2 and she has the nice bluecurv icons and she can change her icon set. Other users can customize their theme icons on server_3 Any ideas? Thanks John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 3 04:37:28 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:37:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Locked out of MySql In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020219304777b13b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020219304777b13b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > And I was so close! After a longg time trying to get linux working and > php and mysql etc I finally got it working. I even started the > installation of Moodle. Everything was fine, except xampp was telling > me none of it was secure. So I set passwords for everything, Now MySql > won't let me in. I'm almost positive I've got the right user name and > password. The bottom line is I need to reset mysqls password and > username. Can someone guide to where I can do that?? This is a xampp > instal on a k12ltsp fedora system. Tjamls. http://www.alt-php-faq.org/local/70/ -Eric From robark at telus.net Thu Feb 3 05:22:04 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:22:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Spreading the good news In-Reply-To: <4200CD51.9090605@execulink.com> References: <4200CD51.9090605@execulink.com> Message-ID: <4201B4FC.4040800@telus.net> Jason wrote: > Hi everyone, > > There is news that another school board in S.Ont has the LTSP bug and > has installed LTSP. Apparently they are very excited about it how well > it works. > > They wanted a big company to come in and design/build their systems. > They were told that it can be done without them and use Computers for > schools pc's. > > In Ontario and I think the rest of Canada there is a program similiar to > the one Paul mentions called Computers for Schools. We have used them > for the one LTSP and they work very well. Hi Jason, I'm from Vancouver. I'm the only full class installation of K12LTSP in the district right now. There are a couple of others with smaller labs. Doing my best to promote it. Nice to hear from others in Canada. What district in South Ontario is it? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From netdxr at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 05:36:32 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:36:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:08:45 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 5:39 PM +0000 wrote: > >On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 15:57, Tom Lisjac wrote: > >> > > >> > But if they have been using Windows file sharing permissions, then > >they must have to log in as a unique user at some point, no? > >> > >> No. > >> > >> Simultaneous logins using the same account is possible. The same is > >> true with Linux. > > > >If you are willing to accept anyone being able to delete, copy or > >overwrite anyone else's work... That doesn't sound reasonable in > >a hostile environment like a school. Kids sharing a physical classroom can steal each other's books and look over the shoulders of others. The network equivalent of this hasn't been a problem for us compared to the virtually impossible task of managing thousands of individual student accounts. > Let me ask this....what version of Windows? 98, 2000, XP? All three. >Are you using a domain or simply using workgroups. Domain. >Are you creating the individual student folders one by one? We are not creating individual accounts... we create a single account per class. I thought I'd made that very clear from my first and all subsequent postings. > Are students the ONLY ones able to create and > delete files in their own folder? Class members have full rights to the class share. We have not had problems with them deleting, stealing or modifying the work of others in their class. I am not recommending this to other school systems... it's just the policy I was handed that also seems to work well in our district. I'm a techie, not a policy maker. ;o) > If so then how can you have truly > individual permissions if you don't have individual logins? Either we're > missing something or you've managed to do the impossible. I never said that individual logons had individual rights... a single class login is shared by a single class of 20 to 30 kids. > The only other > thing I can imagine you're doing is that users log on to the machine with > a common user account and then connect to a share where they are prompted > to enter another more specific username and password. The class login has modify access to the entire class share. A class does not have rights to modify the share of another class. > Can you describe > from start to finish how you are supposedly having students able to log in > with a common user account, yet save to a totally individual folder that > no other students can add and delete from? Maybe we're missing something > here..... I never claimed that individuals using a common login had individual rights... that would be quite a trick! :) I'm not sure how that idea found it's way into this thread but I apologize if I wasn't clear in my earlier postings. Again, I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions I'm currently working on a simple hack of the winbind template homedir code to support the login and security model that we're looking for. I'll post the results when I've got something useful to share. -Tom From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Feb 3 07:00:49 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:00:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux on a LAMP setup of K12LTSP 4.2 Message-ID: <4201CC21.9080906@snarlnet.com> Hey, Is anybody having any luck with SELinux? I spent a day trying to troubleshoot a really trivial Apache setup problem and found that the problem was with SELinux. Now, I have to turn it off to get mysqld to run. What's up with that? Should I: A) use it? If so, can someone recommend some comprehensable documentation for getting it to work with LAMP/K12LTSP/etc? B) Turn it off? If so, how do I do that permanently? "setenforce 0" only seems to work until I reboot. Thanks, ck From haynest at mchsi.com Thu Feb 3 09:13:05 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:13:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux on a LAMP setup of K12LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <4201CC21.9080906@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <200502030944.j139ibPa001306@mx3.redhat.com> > > Hey, > > Is anybody having any luck with SELinux? I spent a day > trying to troubleshoot a really trivial Apache setup problem > and found that the problem was with SELinux. Now, I have to > turn it off to get mysqld to run. What's up with that? > > Should I: > A) use it? If so, can someone recommend some comprehensable > documentation for getting it to work with LAMP/K12LTSP/etc? > > B) Turn it off? If so, how do I do that permanently? "setenforce 0" > only seems to work until I reboot. Open /boot/grub/grub.conf and add selinux=0 at the end of the line beginning with the word 'kernel.' Save and reboot. Regards... Tom From jader.marasca at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 10:56:41 2005 From: jader.marasca at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1der_Marasca?=) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:56:41 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <1107391665.20898.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> <1107391665.20898.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <93a9656b050203025660b75c14@mail.gmail.com> Hi I?m using this: http://www.oneorzero.com/ Very nice and even have a addon to generate PDF files of invoices! J?der On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:47:44 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 09:54 -0800, David Tisdell wrote: > > Hi all, > > What are people using for help desk software? We are > > looking for something that will generate tickets, > > interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain > > a knowledgebase. Thanks. > > Not sure if this fits the KB requirement, but I thought it was > interesting: > > http://roundup.sourceforge.net/ > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 3 11:10:24 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:10:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] second drive lilo question Message-ID: <20050203111024.73A9139C4@mprdmxin.myway.com> This is kinda off topic for this list, so don't feel bad if nobody answers you. There are probably better places to get this kind of info. I'm no expert, so I'll just show you my lilo.conf file. My setup is different than yours, but maybe it'll give you some clues. Windows is on the 1st partition of my only hard drive (for some reason my only hard drive is hdb). Linux is on the same hard drive in a later partition. This file was generated by Mandrake. It contains a lot of redundant junk that was put there when I upgraded versions, and I haven't had time to sort through it yet. The only boot choices I ever make are "linux" and "windows". -Rob # File generated by DrakX/drakboot # WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file default="linux" boot=/dev/hdb map=/boot/map keytable=/boot/us.klt prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x80 image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=0" vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux-nonfb" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=0" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3-7mdk label="263-7" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.3-7mdk.img append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=silent" vga=788 read-only other=/dev/hdb1 label="windows" table=/dev/hdb other=/dev/fd0 label="floppy" unsafe image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3-7mdk label="alt_263-7" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.3-7mdk.img append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-smp label="linux-smp" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd-smp.img append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label="failsafe" root=/dev/hdb6 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="failsafe acpi=ht resume=/dev/hdb8 splash=0" read-only --- On Wed 02/02, anthony baldwin < anthonybaldwin at snet.net > wrote: From: anthony baldwin [mailto: anthonybaldwin at snet.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:22:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] second drive lilo question anthony baldwin wrote:
> I tried to send a msg earlier, but don't see it.
> Anyway, I had an extra 15gb drive, so installed XP on it, for use
> in my present part-time job (need devtools that are M$ specific).
> I installed the drive as hdb, installed XP on it,
> editied lilo.conf by adding
>
> other: /dev/hdb2
> name: msxp
> table: /dev/hdb
>
> I've tried with
> other: /dev/hdb1
> but that wasn't sure if that made sense to me, since XP is on the second
> partition of that drive, although, I am assuming that XP did rewrite the
> MBR on that drive, and hdb1 would be the boot sector.
> Nonetheless, that configuration didn't work, either.
> I can reboot my Linux fine, of course, but, presently, the only way I
> can boot the XP drive is to halt the system, pull the plug on the main
> drive (my k12 installation) and boot from the second hdd.
> I did re-run lilo to compile with the new settings each time.
>
>! When I give Lilo the command to boot msxp
> the machine just hangs, and hangs, and hangs, and does nothing.
> for a long time.
> regardless of whic of these configurations I've tried.
> So, I'm assuming that something I told it was incorrect and it's
> not finding the XP to boot it.
>
> hda is linux
> hdb is XP
>
> gracias, mis amigos.
>
> tony
>


I have been able to mount the windows drive (had to dl kernel-ntfs support).
mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/windope -t ntfs
But, I still can't get lilo to boot it.
So, I know it's there, but it won't boot from Lilo.
I can boot it by disconnecting the first drive.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 3 11:19:05 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:19:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update Message-ID: <20050203111905.6CEB239E6@mprdmxin.myway.com> After I posted the problem to this list, the laptop still would boot into linux, but wouldn't run the ssh daemon. So I had my sister boot into Knoppix and set up an ssh server. I managed to tar and copy /etc, and when I started looking for her data in /home and the windows partition, the directories were coming up empty. It died as I was working on it. Some over-the-phone diagnostics w/ Dell confirmed that it is dead, and they are sending a new hard drive (under warranty. luckily). Problem is, they want the old hard drive back and I'd rather have my sister send it to me so I can try it periodically--in case it "wakes up", I'd grab all her pictures and stuff off of it. The hard drive showed no signs of failure until this. It happenned very fast. Is that typical? I'm still suspicious of the iPod, because of how it would stymie the boot process if it was left plugged in. -Rob --- On Wed 02/02, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:28:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency My neighbor re-installed his Windows box from scratch a few months ago--it was
either XP or ME, I can't remember which. He had forgotten that his iPod was
attached during this, and afterward discoverd that all the music he had on the
iPod was trashed/gone/unavailable. I can't see any logical connection between
his experience and yours, aside from the correlation that anytime a change is
made to the OS, having an iPod connected during the change seems to wreak havoc.

Petre

Rob Owens wrote:
> Thanks. I'm looking into smartd right now.
>
> Is it possible for a usb device like an iPod to screw up the partition table or the bios? I really suspect that the problem has to do w/ the iPod, but I can't understand why it would have the ability to do this kind of damage.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> --- On Wed 02/02, Burke Almquist < balmquist at mindfirestudios.com > wrote:
> From: Burke Almquist [mailto: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com]!
> To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:02:35 -0600
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency
>
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you might try running smartd to see if your drive is reporting any
errors, spinrite (grc.com) is also supposed to be really good at
detecting drive errors, but it costs money.
Finally, you might try your HD manufacturer's test program.
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 3 11:42:49 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:42:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Message-ID: <20050203114249.A610E3945@mprdmxin.myway.com> Ok, I think I understand you now. Each class has it's own login and common storage space, but that storage space is inaccessible to other classes. Students in a class have access to the work of other students in the same class, be it authorized or not. Here's a possible scenario that the people here who are smarter than me can consider. What if when the teacher logs in (with a user-specific account, if that's acceptable), it triggers the auto-generation of 30 user accounts which are automatically logged in at the terminals and automatically assigned a group name of "Mrs. Smith 1st period". There's a folder called "Mrs. Smith 1st period" with read/write access only to those in the group. Perhaps a link could automatically be placed in each user's home directory, so there are no questions about where to save the files. When the teacher logs out, all the user accounts can be deleted (and hopefully none of the students saved their work in their home directory). This scenario might only work if each classroom has its own server. Anybody else see other problems with it? -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Feb 3 11:49:03 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:49:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Spreading the good news In-Reply-To: <4201B4FC.4040800@telus.net> References: <4200CD51.9090605@execulink.com> <4201B4FC.4040800@telus.net> Message-ID: <1107431343.1593.6.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 01:22, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > There is news that another school board in S.Ont has the LTSP bug and > > has installed LTSP. Apparently they are very excited about it how well > > it works. > > > > They wanted a big company to come in and design/build their systems. > > They were told that it can be done without them and use Computers for > > schools pc's. > > > > In Ontario and I think the rest of Canada there is a program similiar to > > the one Paul mentions called Computers for Schools. We have used them > > for the one LTSP and they work very well. > > > Hi Jason, > > I'm from Vancouver. I'm the only full class installation of K12LTSP in > the district right now. There are a couple of others with smaller labs. > Doing my best to promote it. Nice to hear from others in Canada. What > district in South Ontario is it? Hi In Moncton, New Brunswick, I have converted a Boys and Girls Club almost entirely to LTSP (Simply Accounting is the only holdout served up to Linux from W2k Terminal Server). We have 10 staff using it every day and over 100 kids. TIm From clay at bridgeportisd.net Thu Feb 3 13:42:31 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:42:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADA4C@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> I have had USB devices hose up the boot process (to a point that they can not boot) on Win boxes. All I can figure is that the system some how is thinking it is a USB Hard drive/storage device and attempting to boot from it. I didn't spend too much time messing with the boot sequence in BIOS to know if this was true or not. Once USB was unplugged, all was well. Hope this helps. Clay -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:19 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update After I posted the problem to this list, the laptop still would boot into linux, but wouldn't run the ssh daemon. So I had my sister boot into Knoppix and set up an ssh server. I managed to tar and copy /etc, and when I started looking for her data in /home and the windows partition, the directories were coming up empty. It died as I was working on it. Some over-the-phone diagnostics w/ Dell confirmed that it is dead, and they are sending a new hard drive (under warranty. luckily). Problem is, they want the old hard drive back and I'd rather have my sister send it to me so I can try it periodically--in case it "wakes up", I'd grab all her pictures and stuff off of it. The hard drive showed no signs of failure until this. It happenned very fast. Is that typical? I'm still suspicious of the iPod, because of how it would stymie the boot process if it was left plugged in. -Rob --- On Wed 02/02, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:28:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency My neighbor re-installed his Windows box from scratch a few months ago--it was
either XP or ME, I can't remember which. He had forgotten that his iPod was
attached during this, and afterward discoverd that all the music he had on the
iPod was trashed/gone/unavailable. I can't see any logical connection between
his experience and yours, aside from the correlation that anytime a change is
made to the OS, having an iPod connected during the change seems to wreak havoc.

Petre

Rob Owens wrote:
> Thanks. I'm looking into smartd right now.
>
> Is it possible for a usb device like an iPod to screw up the partition table or the bios? I really suspect that the problem has to do w/ the iPod, but I can't understand why it would have the ability to do this kind of damage.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> --- On Wed 02/02, Burke Almquist < balmquist at mindfirestudios.com > wrote:
> From: Burke Almquist [mailto: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com]!
> To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:02:35 -0600
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

you might try running smartd to see if your drive is reporting any
errors, spinrite (grc.com) is also supposed to be really good at
detecting drive errors, but it costs money.
Finally, you might try your HD manufacturer's test program.
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 3 14:12:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:12:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness In-Reply-To: <1107404300.16520.440.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <1107404300.16520.440.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <42023162.2080201@maltzen.net> Some things to look at, in no particular order: Can she create files in her home directory when it's mounted on 3? Should she be getting the Blue Curve icons, etc. by default when she logs in on 3? I don't know the specific files that control Gnome's look that would be in her home directory, but can she change them by hand, change permissions on them by hand, etc.? When she tries that (or you try it logged in as her), does chmod produce an error? Or does it return no error, but permissions of the files don't change? Or do they change, but she still can't change the icons through some graphical method? Since it's working for everyone else's account, you might consider saving her data files off somewhere, wiping out her account, recreate the account, see if the problem is fixed, then copy her data files back in, and then check it again. I've occassionally run into situations where a user somehow created a file in his home directory that caused problems sort of like this. Petre John Baillie wrote: > Yes, I see what you are getting at. It's a permissions issue. The > permissions of and in her home directory look correct. > > All the accounts are created on server_1 then a script copies > /etc/passwd > /etc/shadow > /etc/group > /etc/hosts > /etc/samba/smbpasswd > > over to server 2 & 3 so it's not a permissions variance between servers. > > John > > > > From: Petre Scheie > > ________________________________________________________________________ > What are the file permissions in the teacher's $HOME when it's mounted > on server 3? > > Petre > > > John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > We've got a small problem and I can't quit figure out what's going on. > Here's the scenario: > Three Servers. > Home is nfs mounted off server_1 > Mrs. Teacher logs on to her terminal which is connected to > server 3 > Her desktop theme is generic Gnome icons and such and she cannot > change her icon set. > > Mrs. Teacher logs on to either server_1 or server_2 and she has > the nice bluecurv icons and she can change her icon set. > > Other users can customize their theme icons on server_3 > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Steven at Stevensantos.com Thu Feb 3 14:13:24 2005 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:13:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050203094449.6543774169@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001d01c509fa$867ab5b0$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> > The class login has modify access to the entire class share. A class > does not have rights to modify the share of another class. So why could you not do exactly the same thing? Let me expand. Set up the terminals as Kiosks (auto login to the machines account on the LTSP server), then script a second log-in to the SMB server to give you access to the SMB share with the existing class info. This solves all of the machine issues, and at the same time *appears* to keep the current system as far as all of the users are concerned. You would want to add a line to the logout script to log you out of the SMB share. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Feb 3 14:14:29 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:14:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem In-Reply-To: <1107374668.4041.5.camel@deepspace9> References: <42012A15.6090502@msln.net> <1107374668.4041.5.camel@deepspace9> Message-ID: <420231C5.5040607@msln.net> I finally got in, Missed a step in the instructions, 4 times, Duh! But something else has dawned on me. If you have multiple ltsp machines, Does your method below change the requirement for transferring the key from server to client by scp method in the NX/share? Went you try the test drive on nomachine.com, you do not have to transfer the key to the share directory. That's what I'm shooting for. Mark Trond M?hlum wrote: > >I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: > >rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey >nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 3 14:41:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:41:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 23:36, Tom Lisjac wrote: > > >If you are willing to accept anyone being able to delete, copy or > > >overwrite anyone else's work... That doesn't sound reasonable in > > >a hostile environment like a school. > > Kids sharing a physical classroom can steal each other's books and > look over the shoulders of others. The network equivalent of this > hasn't been a problem for us compared to the virtually impossible task > of managing thousands of individual student accounts. I'm... speechless. I don't even know how I'd respond if my kids school said they were unable or unwilling to keep track of the student's names. Or that their system was designed such that if two people use the same filename, one loses his work. > I never said that individual logons had individual rights... a single > class login is shared by a single class of 20 to 30 kids. That's not exactly true. The nature of windows is that you have an entire box dedicated per user, sharing nothing. So even if you give all users the same login name or even set up the boxes to automatically log in with it, each box has an unshared copy of the registry and a local hard drive to save it where the local desktop and windowing state can live. The only part they really share is the mapped drive from the server. To get the equivalent in Linux/unix, you would need a local install on every PC or a unique home directory per user (either of which is cheaper and easier than the local windows install...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 3 14:43:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:43:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem Message-ID: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> mark i wrote a stupid little script to swap the keys back and forth..so the keys here are clien.id_dsa.key.su for surry client.id_dsa.key.ca for cave hill..the script overwrites the existing client.id_dsa.key with the right one.. i need to find out how to sync the keys for all servers so (for this use) theyuy are the same.,.chuck > I finally got in, Missed a step in the instructions, 4 times, Duh! But > something else has dawned on me. If you have multiple ltsp machines, > Does your method below change the requirement for transferring the key > from server to client by scp method in the NX/share? Went you try the > test drive on nomachine.com, you do not have to transfer the key to the > share directory. That's what I'm shooting for. > Mark > > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > > > >I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: > > > >rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey > >nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From leojr at fic.com.br Thu Feb 3 15:12:41 2005 From: leojr at fic.com.br (Leonardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alves?= de =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulh=F4a?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:12:41 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update In-Reply-To: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADA4C@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> References: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADA4C@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Message-ID: <1107443561.2242.11.camel@linux2> Em Qui, 2005-02-03 ?s 07:42 -0600, Walker, Clay escreveu: > I have had USB devices hose up the boot process (to a point that they > can not boot) on Win boxes. All I can figure is that the system some > how is thinking it is a USB Hard drive/storage device and attempting to > boot from it. I didn't spend too much time messing with the boot > sequence in BIOS to know if this was true or not. Once USB was > unplugged, all was well. > > Hope this helps. > > Clay I had a problem like these with an usb hdd. I was testing one unit and it worked fine. When I tried to boot system with this drive plugged as a second hd, it spent a long time to boot (because of Fedora hardware detection) and then gnome taskbar began to crash. Later I read the Fedora buglist and found out that this kind of crash was caused by a corrupted gnome configuration file! (.recently-used in home directory). Really weird! Best regards Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Feb 3 15:31:09 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:31:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem In-Reply-To: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> References: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> Message-ID: <420243BD.5060606@msln.net> I have found a few posts that talk about replacing the server key after the nxsetup has run. But none say where the key is. Is it the server.id_dsa.pub.key in the /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ directory? Mark cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >mark i wrote a stupid little script to swap the keys back and forth..so the >keys here are clien.id_dsa.key.su for surry client.id_dsa.key.ca for cave >hill..the script overwrites the existing client.id_dsa.key with the right one.. >i need to find out how to sync the keys for all servers so (for this use) >theyuy are the same.,.chuck > > > >>I finally got in, Missed a step in the instructions, 4 times, Duh! But >>something else has dawned on me. If you have multiple ltsp machines, >>Does your method below change the requirement for transferring the key >>from server to client by scp method in the NX/share? Went you try the >>test drive on nomachine.com, you do not have to transfer the key to the >>share directory. That's what I'm shooting for. >>Mark >> >>Trond M?hlum wrote: >> >> >> >>>I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: >>> >>>rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >>>mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >>>chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ >>>nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey >>>nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, Maine >>gumprechtm at msln.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Feb 3 16:04:01 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:04:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem In-Reply-To: <420243BD.5060606@msln.net> References: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> <420243BD.5060606@msln.net> Message-ID: <1107446641.14676.6.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Hi, guys. I just uploaded a 0.6 version of the NX_LTSP package which starts to address this issue. Basically, upon launch of the screen script, it will copy the appropriate key for the appropriate server specified by "session_name". Instead of saving the file as client.id_dsa.key, save it as client.id_dsa.key. When the screen script is ran, it will copy the appropriate file to client.id_dsa.key. Specify session_name with the "-n " flag. The default session_name is "session", so if you only have one server, please save the key as client.id_dsa.key.session . Let me know if this addresses the issue. The only minor pain that I can envision at this moment is that if 2 sessions start upon boot, one session has to be logged into first, and then the second has to be restarted with ctrl-alt-backspace. I will work to try and get the copying of the key to happen after login instead, which would fix this. Cheers, -Gideon On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 10:31, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have found a few posts that talk about replacing the server key after > the nxsetup has run. But none say where the key is. Is it the > server.id_dsa.pub.key in the /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ directory? > Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >mark i wrote a stupid little script to swap the keys back and forth..so the > >keys here are clien.id_dsa.key.su for surry client.id_dsa.key.ca for cave > >hill..the script overwrites the existing client.id_dsa.key with the right one.. > >i need to find out how to sync the keys for all servers so (for this use) > >theyuy are the same.,.chuck > > > > > > > >>I finally got in, Missed a step in the instructions, 4 times, Duh! But > >>something else has dawned on me. If you have multiple ltsp machines, > >>Does your method below change the requirement for transferring the key > >>from server to client by scp method in the NX/share? Went you try the > >>test drive on nomachine.com, you do not have to transfer the key to the > >>share directory. That's what I'm shooting for. > >>Mark > >> > >>Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: > >>> > >>>rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey > >>>nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Mark Gumprecht > >>Data Systems Specialist > >>MSAD3 > >>Unity, Maine > >>gumprechtm at msln.net > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Feb 3 16:09:10 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:09:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: <93a9656b050203025660b75c14@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> < > <1107391665.20898.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <93a9656b050203025660b75c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am also looking for a ticket tracking system for my 6 sites (I would like to have it serve as my inventory management also) -- any ideas? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 3 16:22:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:22:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software In-Reply-To: References: <20050202175404.67957.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> < > <1107391665.20898.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <93a9656b050203025660b75c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107447728.4314.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 10:09, Sharon Betts wrote: > I am also looking for a ticket tracking system for my 6 sites (I would > like to have it serve as my inventory management also) -- any ideas? The RT system I mentioned has an extensive 'custom fields' capability that can be used to track about anything and someone on the mailling list recently mentioned having some custom code that they were planning to share to track inventory. (This may change as the just-released 3.4 version adds some new built-in capabilities that may make the custom code unnecessary). http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 3 16:33:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:33:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 23:36, Tom Lisjac wrote: > > >>>>If you are willing to accept anyone being able to delete, copy or >>>>overwrite anyone else's work... That doesn't sound reasonable in >>>>a hostile environment like a school. >> >>Kids sharing a physical classroom can steal each other's books and >>look over the shoulders of others. The network equivalent of this >>hasn't been a problem for us compared to the virtually impossible task >>of managing thousands of individual student accounts. > > > I'm... speechless. I don't even know how I'd respond if my kids > school said they were unable or unwilling to keep track of the > student's names. Or that their system was designed such that > if two people use the same filename, one loses his work. > > >>I never said that individual logons had individual rights... a single >>class login is shared by a single class of 20 to 30 kids. > > > That's not exactly true. The nature of windows is that you have > an entire box dedicated per user, sharing nothing. So even if you > give all users the same login name or even set up the boxes to > automatically log in with it, each box has an unshared copy > of the registry and a local hard drive to save it where the > local desktop and windowing state can live. The only part they > really share is the mapped drive from the server. To get the > equivalent in Linux/unix, you would need a local install on > every PC or a unique home directory per user (either of which > is cheaper and easier than the local windows install...). > Change is sometimes hard for people, teachers moreso than students, as has been observed many times on this list. Tom recognizes that having everyone share the same ID is a bad policy, but as he said, he's not the policy maker. I think the *policy* task at hand is to plant the seeds with the teachers and policy makers about why the current policy is bad and first get them to see that the present practice has some vulnerabilities, which--knock on wood--haven't resulted in any disasters so far. As I recall, these are middle-school students. You might start by saying things like "I hope some at-risk student doesn't get PO'd about something and wipe out a bunch of people's files, because then we'd REALLY get an earful from the parents of the kids whose files were lost." to various people. And leave it at that for a while (days, perhaps weeks). Let them think about it for a bit. Then, start talking about how "next school year we should change things just a bit to prevent that disaster". From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 16:46:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:46:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> < > <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> < > <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > < > <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> < > <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >Change is sometimes hard for people, teachers moreso than students, as >has been >observed many times on this list. Tom recognizes that having everyone >share the >same ID is a bad policy, but as he said, he's not the policy maker. I >think the >*policy* task at hand is to plant the seeds with the teachers and policy >makers >about why the current policy is bad and first get them to see that the >present >practice has some vulnerabilities, which--knock on wood--haven't resulted >in any >disasters so far. As I recall, these are middle-school students. You >might >start by saying things like "I hope some at-risk student doesn't get PO'd >about >something and wipe out a bunch of people's files, because then we'd >REALLY get >an earful from the parents of the kids whose files were lost." to various >people. And leave it at that for a while (days, perhaps weeks). Let them >think >about it for a bit. Then, start talking about how "next school year we >should >change things just a bit to prevent that disaster". Exactly. I actually had a similar set up prior to using Linux (back in the mid-90's) with Win 98 and mapped drives. We did end up with a few "lost" files and folders. I actually just changed everything one summer and then "trained" everyone on the new setup. Once I began telling them that the only one who can do anything to the files in their home folder is themselves....they were actually quite excited. Teachers asked about how kids can "pass in" files to the teacher...so I made "drop boxes" for each class, but the students were encouraged to make a "copy" of their file and put it in the "drop box" as opposed to saving the original there. This way everyone has their cake and can eat it too! Teachers are happy, kids are happy, and everyone's files are MUCH safer. You might try this approach as a "meet you in the middle" idea. I bet you can sell it. (PS...I highly recommend roaming profiles in Windows....and I recommend using DeepFreeze to keep the Windows machines "pure"....makes life a LOT easier) With regard to "managing" multiple user accounts....with the new scripts and all available today...that's a no brainer. In fact the new smbldap-installer script helps you to set up a Samba/LDAP server that gives you a central authentication point along with a central home directory and profiles directory (if you're using roaming profiles in Windows) that can be exported to any server. To add 1000 users takes a few minutes. You can do them in groups....etc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 3 17:05:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:05:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1107450332.4314.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 10:33, Petre Scheie wrote: > Change is sometimes hard for people, teachers moreso than students, as has been > observed many times on this list. Tom recognizes that having everyone share the > same ID is a bad policy, but as he said, he's not the policy maker. I think the > *policy* task at hand is to plant the seeds with the teachers and policy makers > about why the current policy is bad and first get them to see that the present > practice has some vulnerabilities, which--knock on wood--haven't resulted in any > disasters so far. As I recall, these are middle-school students. If I had cut-n-paste access to everyone else's work when I was in middle school I don't think I would have ever bothered to do anything original. Somehow I find it hard to believe that at a policy level the school can't be bothered to track what individuals are doing - and that is exactly how to describe it. Perhaps when the computers were first added they were just toys and didn't justify individual attention but I'd guess that they are somewhat important in the education process these days. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Feb 3 17:37:36 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem - odd dependency with wireless-tools Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> I ran yum update today (after finding that my yum cron job hasn't been running as expected). I had a little problem, apparently related to wireless-tools. Here's the output from yum update (with most of the long list of packages snipped since most are not relevant): -- Start ---------------------------------------------- Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package NetworkManager-gnome.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package NetworkManager.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: kdenetwork --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: NetworkManager --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: kernel.i686 0:2.6.10-1.760_FC3 Update: Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: package wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3 (which is newer than wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2) is already installed file /sbin/ifrename conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwconfig conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 -- End ------------------------------------------------ As you can see, although I have wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3 installed, yum wants to "update" to wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 which is older. A post to the fedora-list mailing list generated a request that I run these three commands (shown here with the output): -- Start ---------------------------------------------- # rpm -q NetworkManager wireless-tools NetworkManager-0.3.3-1.cvs20050112.1.fc3 wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3 # yum clean all Cleaning up Everything 233 headers removed 232 packages removed 9 metadata files removed 6 cache files removed # yum update NetworkManager wireless-tools Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2177/2177 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 updates-re: ################################################## 654/654 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for NetworkManager to pack into transaction set. NetworkManager-0.3.3-1.cv 100% |=========================| 11 kB 00:00 ---> Package NetworkManager.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for wireless-tools to pack into transaction set. wireless-tools-28-0.pre4. 100% |=========================| 7.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: kdenetwork --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: NetworkManager --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for wireless-tools to pack into transaction set. wireless-tools-27-0.pre25 100% |=========================| 7.3 kB 00:00 ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Update: NetworkManager.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 Is this ok [y/N]: n Exiting on user Command Complete! -- End ------------------------------------------------ Which generated the following comments: -- Start ---------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:40:11 -0500 (EST), William Hooper wrote: > the Fedora repos don't have wireless-tools-28. IIRC it was released and > then pulled back because of the issue with NM. > This is true. When wireless-tools-28 was released, it caused problems with NetworkManager and KDENetwork packages, as well as having some internal conflict with itself causing it to think that wireless-tools-27 was a dependency. wireless-tools-28 was then removed from the released packages. This issue has been discussed several times. Searching the archives for more information might be helpful. (and should be done before posting new questions anyhow). -- End ------------------------------------------------ So, I suspect that wireless-tools-28 should be removed from the k12ltsp repository. Thoughts or comments (or suggestions about what I should do) welcome. Thanks. -- Henry From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Feb 3 18:02:21 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:02:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem - odd dependency with wireless-tools In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 12:37 -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: > -- Start ---------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:40:11 -0500 (EST), William Hooper > wrote: > > the Fedora repos don't have wireless-tools-28. IIRC it was released and > > then pulled back because of the issue with NM. > > > > This is true. When wireless-tools-28 was released, it caused problems > with NetworkManager and KDENetwork packages, as well as having some > internal conflict with itself causing it to think that > wireless-tools-27 was a dependency. > > wireless-tools-28 was then removed from the released packages. > > This issue has been discussed several times. Searching the archives > for more information might be helpful. (and should be done before > posting new questions anyhow). > -- End ------------------------------------------------ > > So, I suspect that wireless-tools-28 should be removed from the k12ltsp > repository. Thoughts or comments (or suggestions about what I should do) > welcome. Thanks. AFAIK, NetworkManager only works in a DHCP client configuration; not w/ static addressing. For servers, I just: rpm -e NetworkManager wireless-tools -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From ccurtis at spcomputers.com Thu Feb 3 18:11:31 2005 From: ccurtis at spcomputers.com (Chris Curtis) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:11:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> Hello all on the list. I have a situation where I could get Linux into the door if I could "prove" that rdesktop could be used as a fully featured client for Windows Server terminal services. This company must have one windows app, and one IE6 app, but is open to using Linux and ltsp. Has anyone one the list used rdesktop, and can it be used effectively as a client to terminal services. I don't want to test it and recommend it if it does not work as advertised. Any thoughts are welcome! Chris Curtis From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 3 18:21:01 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:21:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem Message-ID: <200502031722.j13HMjd12772@downeast.net> i tried that..no dice...it may be in the .nx directory created when logging in..i donr know..chuck> I have found a few posts that talk about replacing the server key after > the nxsetup has run. But none say where the key is. Is it the > server.id_dsa.pub.key in the /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ directory? > Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >mark i wrote a stupid little script to swap the keys back and forth..so the > >keys here are clien.id_dsa.key.su for surry client.id_dsa.key.ca for cave > >hill..the script overwrites the existing client.id_dsa.key with the right one.. > >i need to find out how to sync the keys for all servers so (for this use) > >theyuy are the same.,.chuck > > > > > > > >>I finally got in, Missed a step in the instructions, 4 times, Duh! But > >>something else has dawned on me. If you have multiple ltsp machines, > >>Does your method below change the requirement for transferring the key > >>from server to client by scp method in the NX/share? Went you try the > >>test drive on nomachine.com, you do not have to transfer the key to the > >>share directory. That's what I'm shooting for. > >>Mark > >> > >>Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I did this, roughly from memory, to solve the same problem: > >>> > >>>rm -rf /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>mkdir /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>chmod 700 /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome/.ssh/ > >>>nxsetup --setup-nomachinekey > >>>nxsetup --force --setup-nomachinekey > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Mark Gumprecht > >>Data Systems Specialist > >>MSAD3 > >>Unity, Maine > >>gumprechtm at msln.net > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 18:31:17 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:31:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> Message-ID: > Has anyone one the list used rdesktop, and can it be used effectively as > a client to terminal services. I don't want to test it and recommend it > if it does not work as advertised. I'm not one of the technical experts on the list, but I use rdesktop every day from LTSP, connecting to a Window's server with Quickbooks... I'm sure I'm not alone. The only issue I have encountered is that the Linux Terminal Server client doesn't support sound, which I think Windows 2003 with RDP5 does. But I don't need the sound, so it works great for me. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 18:41:20 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:41:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> Message-ID: <69b790a805020310417a53fecc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:11:31 -0800, Chris Curtis wrote: > Hello all on the list. I have a situation where I could get Linux into > the door if I could "prove" that rdesktop could be used as a fully > featured client for Windows Server terminal services. This company > must have one windows app, and one IE6 app, but is open to using Linux > and ltsp. > > Has anyone one the list used rdesktop, and can it be used effectively as > a client to terminal services. I don't want to test it and recommend it > if it does not work as advertised. > I use it multiple times every day. I have linux on my desktop, but use rdesktop to connect to Windows 2000/3 servers in Admin mode. I sometimes connect to a Windows 2000 terminal server. No problems at all. (I don't have sound, I don't use sound; so to me, not a problem). From dgough at papcs.com Thu Feb 3 18:41:07 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:41:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032AF97B2@xms.papcs.com> We also use http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com/. Users and support staff both find it VERY easy to use. It's also pretty straightforward to customize. My only beef is that it uses postgresql, which in my opinion is the "database from hell". But once you got the pgsql end of things sorted out, it works great. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Tisdell Sent: February 2, 2005 9:54 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk software Hi all, What are people using for help desk software? We are looking for something that will generate tickets, interface with a pop3 server and allow you to maintain a knowledgebase. Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 19:37:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:37:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> <, > <1107453741.12217.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <,> <42026953.3060505@spcomputers.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 1:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello all on the list. I have a situation where I could get Linux into >the door if I could "prove" that rdesktop could be used as a fully >featured client for Windows Server terminal services. This company >must have one windows app, and one IE6 app, but is open to using Linux >and ltsp. > >Has anyone one the list used rdesktop, and can it be used effectively as >a client to terminal services. I don't want to test it and recommend it >if it does not work as advertised. > >Any thoughts are welcome! > >Chris Curtis We use it everyday from our Linux Terminals via rdesktop. We have it as a menu item in IceWM....the kids click on "Connect to Windows" and it comes up with the Windows login with the username and domain already filled in. Very cool and fast. Nice to have the best of both worlds. The only caveat is sound...sound works, but not well....in fact it will slow things to a crawl. We don't use sound in Windows....99% of anything we'd need sound for can be done in Linux. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 3 19:50:17 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:50:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question Message-ID: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Hi, Thank you for the wonderful work on the samba-ldap install script! I have a question for whomever would be kind enough to answer it. I am using a FC3 installation and am trying to get roaming profiles to work for individual users. I have gotten to the point where the profile is being created upon login, but instead of being saved in /opt/samba/profiles/$username the profile is being stored in /opt/samba/profiles itself. I looked at the LDAP record for the same user and this is the setting: sambaProfilePath: \\BOLTON-PDC\profiles I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by default? -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... 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From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 3 20:42:46 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:42:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem Message-ID: <200502031944.j13JiUd05997@downeast.net> cool: cant wait to try er out..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 3 21:11:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:11:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem - odd dependency with wireless-tools In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C12@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <000201c50a34$e088b540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > ---> Package NetworkManager.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 set to be > updated > > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: kdenetwork > --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: NetworkManager > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. Populating > --> transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check I had the same error with a new system I threw together last week. I just removed the kdenetwork and NetworkManager and no longer have problems. I don't notice any difference and have not seen side effects. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 3 22:05:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:05:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server (made with script) Message-ID: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay I have the K12LTSP 4.2 server freshly setup with the scripts provided by David Trask. All of the test stuff after the script worked perfect. I am able to join the Domain with and Windows2000 and WindowsXP Pro machines (except for an error that I don't have permissions to write to /opt/whatever/profiles on login but not a big deal at this point). Now I want to setup an OS 10.3 client to authenticate against the LDAP or PDC server on login. Can anyone tell me the steps to joining OS 10.3 to the domain? By the way, thanks David. This couldn't have been any easier to setup. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From missive at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 22:39:18 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:09:18 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Two related problems Message-ID: Hi; I still cannot get my system to set the default gateway automatically. I looked at the dhcp lease, and the correct gateway is in the lease file, but the gateway is not being set. I thought maybe the problem was with the firewall, but I reinstalled without the firewall and I have the same problem. So, my question is ... to which file can I add a line like route add default gw 10.0.0.1 which will be run at startup? 2nd question, which is related because the system is fine as long as no one reboots it is ... How do I keep regular users from rebooting the system? I used gdmconfig to remove the shutdown and reboot buttons from the login screen, but those choices are still available when a user logs out. My solution was to chmod 0 /sbin/halt but that seems a bit drastic. Thanks for your time. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 23:16:19 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:16:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wall Stree Journal Article today on thin client... Message-ID: http://online.wsj.com/wsjgate?subURI=%2Farticle%2F0%2C%2CSB110738427791844137%2Demail%2C00%2Ehtml&nonsubURI=%2Farticle%5Femail%2F0%2C%2CSB110738427791844137%2DIZjfYNhlaR4npuuZ3qGcaiHm4%2C00%2Ehtml -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 3 23:45:53 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:45:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server (made with Message-ID: <200502032247.j13MlZd00659@downeast.net> jason and grey did it a couple weeks ago..it is trivial i think..ill probe and get back yo yuo tomorrwo..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 23:58:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:58:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28made_?= with=?ISO-8859-1?Q? script=29?= In-Reply-To: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 5:05 PM +0000 wrote: > Now I want to setup an OS 10.3 client to >authenticate against the LDAP or PDC server on login. >Can anyone tell me the steps to joining OS 10.3 to the domain? Ok...I'll try. I'm not in front of an OS X machine that I can join to an LDAP domain, but I am typing this on a 10.3.8 iBook (does that count?) I'm going to give you some stuff to try...let me know if it works or not. First you need to go to "Applications" > "Utilities" > "Directory Access". Select LDAPv3 and select configure. Set the location for Automatic if it isn't already. Set the LDAP mappings to "From Server" (it should be already selected, but select it again so it will prompt you for the domain) when prompted for the search domain...enter what you put in for a domain when you ran the smbldap-installer script that Matt made. Example....if you put in example.com you would enter in the search domain field dc=example,dc=com (remember no spaces anywhere) Configure the server name or IP address (I would use the IP address...of your Samba/LDAP server). And that "should" be it, but I'm not sure and I have not tested, but you've given me something to check tomorrow :-) > > >By the way, thanks David. This couldn't have been any easier to setup. And thank Matt too as he did a lot of the heavy lifting with the script. :-) Again...let me know how you make out....I'm going to be teaching this in a couple of weeks in New Hampshire and it would be nice to add your findings. :-) I can also add them to the documentation with credit to you of course! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 3 23:58:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:58:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28made_?= with=?ISO-8859-1?Q? script=29?= In-Reply-To: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 5:05 PM +0000 wrote: > Now I want to setup an OS 10.3 client to >authenticate against the LDAP or PDC server on login. >Can anyone tell me the steps to joining OS 10.3 to the domain? Ok...I'll try. I'm not in front of an OS X machine that I can join to an LDAP domain, but I am typing this on a 10.3.8 iBook (does that count?) I'm going to give you some stuff to try...let me know if it works or not. First you need to go to "Applications" > "Utilities" > "Directory Access". Select LDAPv3 and select configure. Set the location for Automatic if it isn't already. Set the LDAP mappings to "From Server" (it should be already selected, but select it again so it will prompt you for the domain) when prompted for the search domain...enter what you put in for a domain when you ran the smbldap-installer script that Matt made. Example....if you put in example.com you would enter in the search domain field dc=example,dc=com (remember no spaces anywhere) Configure the server name or IP address (I would use the IP address...of your Samba/LDAP server). And that "should" be it, but I'm not sure and I have not tested, but you've given me something to check tomorrow :-) > > >By the way, thanks David. This couldn't have been any easier to setup. And thank Matt too as he did a lot of the heavy lifting with the script. :-) Again...let me know how you make out....I'm going to be teaching this in a couple of weeks in New Hampshire and it would be nice to add your findings. :-) I can also add them to the documentation with credit to you of course! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:04:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:04:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28made_?= with=?ISO-8859-1?Q? script=29?= In-Reply-To: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 5:05 PM +0000 wrote: >Okay I have the K12LTSP 4.2 server freshly setup with the scripts >provided by David Trask. All of the test stuff after the script worked >perfect. I am able to join the Domain with and Windows2000 and >WindowsXP Pro machines (except for an error that I don't have >permissions to write to /opt/whatever/profiles on login but not a big >deal at this point). This should be fixed with chmod 1777 /opt/samba/profiles The script should have done that...let me know if it didn't > Now I want to setup an OS 10.3 client to >authenticate against the LDAP or PDC server on login. > >Can anyone tell me the steps to joining OS 10.3 to the domain? See my other post.... > > >By the way, thanks David. This couldn't have been any easier to setup. Again....thank Matt Oquist too as he's the script man :-) > > >Thanks, > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:04:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:04:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28made_?= with=?ISO-8859-1?Q? script=29?= In-Reply-To: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 5:05 PM +0000 wrote: >Okay I have the K12LTSP 4.2 server freshly setup with the scripts >provided by David Trask. All of the test stuff after the script worked >perfect. I am able to join the Domain with and Windows2000 and >WindowsXP Pro machines (except for an error that I don't have >permissions to write to /opt/whatever/profiles on login but not a big >deal at this point). This should be fixed with chmod 1777 /opt/samba/profiles The script should have done that...let me know if it didn't > Now I want to setup an OS 10.3 client to >authenticate against the LDAP or PDC server on login. > >Can anyone tell me the steps to joining OS 10.3 to the domain? See my other post.... > > >By the way, thanks David. This couldn't have been any easier to setup. Again....thank Matt Oquist too as he's the script man :-) > > >Thanks, > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:45:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:45:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by >default? It is...lemme check into it David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:45:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:45:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by >default? It is...lemme check into it David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:47:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:47:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: >I looked at the LDAP record for the same user and this is the >setting: > >sambaProfilePath: \\BOLTON-PDC\profiles > >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by >default? Actually have you logged in as a user and logged back out? (In Windows that is)....the user directory is not created until you log in as a Windows user (with profiles) and then log back out....upon log out the directory should get created. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 00:47:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:47:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: >I looked at the LDAP record for the same user and this is the >setting: > >sambaProfilePath: \\BOLTON-PDC\profiles > >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by >default? Actually have you logged in as a user and logged back out? (In Windows that is)....the user directory is not created until you log in as a Windows user (with profiles) and then log back out....upon log out the directory should get created. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Feb 4 01:11:05 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: ; from dtrask@vcs.u52.k12.me.us on Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 07:47:41PM -0500 References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: <20050203201105.A19509@redline.comcast.net> Dave Dave You you seem seem to to be be double double posting posting ;-) ;-) On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 07:47:41PM -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: > >I looked at the LDAP record for the same user and this is the > >setting: > > > >sambaProfilePath: \\BOLTON-PDC\profiles > > > >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by > >default? > > Actually have you logged in as a user and logged back out? (In Windows > that is)....the user directory is not created until you log in as a > Windows user (with profiles) and then log back out....upon log out the > directory should get created. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 01:31:31 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:31:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer Message-ID: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Hello K12osn Members, I built a sandbox server, to test out the smbldap-installer by Matt Oquist, following the steps in the tutorial by David Trask, the test unit is using the recommend distro ( K12LTSP ). Ok, so first I installed the office, and I installed all the packages, after the install completed I run the script, everything looks fine till I get near the end and receive an error message in the smbldap-install.log file saying ----Operation stop because it could not connect to the ldap server--- Mark Sarria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 4 01:32:09 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:32:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem - odd dependency with wireless-tools In-Reply-To: <000201c50a34$e088b540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c50a34$e088b540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> ---> Package NetworkManager.i386 0:0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 set to be >> updated >> >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: kdenetwork >> --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: NetworkManager >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. Populating >> --> transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check > > I had the same error with a new system I threw together last week. I > just removed the kdenetwork and NetworkManager and no longer have > problems. I don't notice any difference and have not seen side effects. I removed the troublesome wireless-tools packages from the repository. Hopefully that will clear up this problem. -Eric From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 02:15:44 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:15:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding a link to a menu Message-ID: <1761a09805020318156731a51d@mail.gmail.com> I just added Xampp to k12ltsp and it's working fine. The mysql control panel is at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/. How would I place that into a menu, lets say under Application/Internet for instance. If I wanted to have PhpMyAdmin listed there, how would I do that? Thanks in advance!!!! -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 02:25:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:25:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Message-ID: Mark Sarria on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >the test unit is using the recommend distro ( K12LTSP ) Are you using 4.2 which is based on Fedora Core 3? This is essential...4.1 is based on FC2...it must be FC3. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From perodim at on.net.mk Fri Feb 4 02:27:33 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:27:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <4202DD95.5050900@on.net.mk> Hi, > Hey all, I trust you're all having a wonderful day. I had a quick > (hopefully) question regarding languages. When I installed on K12 setup > here I made sure to install several languages (Korean, Chinese, and > Japanese in addition to English). We have several international students > here who would like to be able to type in their native language. The point is that when you install additional languages you don't set up keyboard layouts. Also you don't have to install additional langs. if you only wish to enable the students to type text in their native language. > If we > log in and select say...Korean as the language for the session the menus > will display in the language, but if we open OO.o and try to type, it > still uses normal English characters. Even if we change the font from > Times Roman to one of the Korean fonts it still displays english > characters. Any ideas on how to change this? Thanks in advance. > This is not a font issue either. You should setup keyboard layouts. Setting up the layouts depends of which dekstop are you using KDE, Gnome or XFCE. It is possible to set up layouts for all of them. -- Petar Dimitrijevic Vorteks ED Tel. ++389 2 2048 311 GSM. ++389 70 629 810 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 02:29:30 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:29:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Message-ID: <002501c50a61$5cd251c0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> > Mark Sarria on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at > 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >the test unit is using the recommend distro ( K12LTSP ) > > Are you using 4.2 which is based on Fedora Core 3? This is > essential...4.1 is based on FC2...it must be FC3. I am using K12LTSP 4.2.0 > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > From tom at pcc.com Fri Feb 4 03:08:28 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: <20050204030828.GA33440@pcc.com> I found the problem, it's in /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf userProfile="\\PDC\profiles" should say: userProfile="\\PDC\profiles\%U" David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: > >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by > >default? > It is...lemme check into it > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 03:12:51 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:12:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> <20050204030828.GA33440@pcc.com> Message-ID: <000801c50a67$6b3d83f0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> That's it, sorry I was not that specific, I am at home and only writing this from what I can recall I remember the error mention something along those line. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Astle" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question > > I found the problem, it's in /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf > > > userProfile="\\PDC\profiles" > > should say: > > userProfile="\\PDC\profiles\%U" > > > > David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 2:50 PM +0000 wrote: > > >I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by > > >default? > > It is...lemme check into it > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > Thomas Astle > PCC Support Specialist > > To contact us for... > > Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 > > "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 4 02:51:27 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:51:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: rdesktop and windows terminal services & misc In-Reply-To: <20050204000435.7F588747AF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050204000435.7F588747AF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050204025127.GA2943@socrates.mojo.home> --> rdesktop and windows terminal services > >Has anyone one the list used rdesktop, and can it be used effectively as > >a client to terminal services. I don't want to test it and recommend it > >if it does not work as advertised. I used rdesktop regularly at my previous job. I had M$ Office & Project documents to edit, as well as the occasionaly IE-only Intranet site to use. rdesktop, in my experience, is far preferable to the Citrix client I used previously. rdesktop is very fast, highly scriptable and flexible. --> samba-ldap script question (Tom Astle) > I am using a FC3 installation and am trying to get roaming profiles > to work for individual users. I have gotten to the point where the > profile is being created upon login, but instead of being saved in > /opt/samba/profiles/$username the profile is being stored in > /opt/samba/profiles itself. > > I looked at the LDAP record for the same user and this is the > setting: > > sambaProfilePath: \\BOLTON-PDC\profiles > > I thought the scripts were supposed to make directories per user by > default? None of the scripts make individual directories for roaming profiles, but if this would be helpful it can certainly be added. The scripts (by way of smbldap-useradd) make a home directory for each user. I just checked Dave's How-To (which ships inside the smbldap-installer tarball) and his roaming profile are all stored in /opt/samba/profiles, so that should work for other folks... The danger with storing profiles inside the users' home directories is that the users then have the power to delete or otherwise mangle them. (And they're just sitting there like a big red button with a big blinking sign - "Push Me!".) If the smbldap-installer scripts should be enhanced to make this easier for folks, just let me know what needs to be done, and while I can't make any promises I can do my best to make this work better for you all. --> 6. Two related problems (Lee Harr) > I looked at the dhcp lease, and the correct gateway is in the lease > file, but the gateway is not being set. > > I thought maybe the problem was with the firewall, but I reinstalled > without the firewall and I have the same problem. > > So, my question is ... to which file can I add a line like > route add default gw 10.0.0.1 > which will be run at startup? The real solution is to do what you've already tried - fix the problem with DHCP not setting the gateway. But you can do the following to hard-code the gateway on system startup: $ echo route add default gw 10.0.0.1 > /etc/init.d/gw-hack $ chmod 755 /etc/init.d/gw-hack $ cd /etc/rc5.d/ $ ln -s ../init.d/gw-hack S11gw-hack The above is how you can create your own startup-script to do anything you want. I picked S11 because network startup is S10, and you want to set the gateway after the network is started. Also note that if you have any machines that don't boot into graphical mode, the "runlevel" you want is 3, so you should put startup scripts in the rc3.d directory instead. (See /etc/inittab for your default runlevel, and further documentation of all this.) > 2nd question, which is related because the system is fine as long as > no one reboots it is ... How do I keep regular users from rebooting > the system? > My solution was to chmod 0 /sbin/halt but that seems a bit drastic. Yeah - I'd chmod 700 instead - /sbin/halt, /sbin/shutdown, and /usr/bin/consolehelper (which is symlinked from /usr/bin/reboot). Ah - and see /etc/inittab (again) to change what happens when a user gives the three-finger salute: "CTRL-ALT-DEL". Just find the ctrlaltdel line and change the command it runs. (For example: rm -rf $HOME... ;) --matt From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:19:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:19:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server (made with script) In-Reply-To: References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050204041636.M63936@winonacotter.org> > First you need to go to "Applications" > "Utilities" > > "Directory Access". Select LDAPv3 and select configure. Set the > location for Automatic if it isn't already. Set the LDAP mappings > to "From Server" (it should be already selected, but select it > again so it will prompt you for the domain) when prompted for the > search domain...enter what you put in for a domain when you ran the > smbldap-installer script that Matt made. Example....if you put in > example.com you would enter in the search domain field > dc=example,dc=com (remember no spaces anywhere) Configure the > server name or IP address (I would use the IP address...of your > Samba/LDAP server). I did that earlier from a tutorial I found out on Google. Then I logged off of the machine and tried to log back in choosing "Other" from the login options. Then I tried to log in with one of the test users I setup after the install and that worked on the Win boxes. I just got the OSX shake and was taken back to the username and password fields to try again. Am I misinterpreting what the end result should be? I am assuming that after setting up the LDAP server for authentication I should be able to log onto the OSX machine with a user from the server. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:21:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:21:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server (made with script) In-Reply-To: References: <000401c50a3c$88771bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050204042014.M56925@winonacotter.org> > This should be fixed with chmod 1777 /opt/samba/profiles > The script should have done that...let me know if it didn't I'll give that a try in the morning and let you know if the script had the settings right or not. > Again....thank Matt Oquist too as he's the script man :-) Thanks Matt :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:26:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:26:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <002501c50a61$5cd251c0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> <002501c50a61$5cd251c0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Message-ID: <20050204042328.M14660@winonacotter.org> > > Are you using 4.2 which is based on Fedora Core 3? This is > > essential...4.1 is based on FC2...it must be FC3. > > I am using K12LTSP 4.2.0 Not sure if this is related or not but I installed with a set of 4.2.0 beta 2 discs them yum upgraded to the newest release. When running the installer I was prompted for Disc 3 of my installation set. I inserted Disc 3 of the beta install and it was missing necessary files and wouldn't install correctly. So I downloaded and burned a disc 3 from the non-beta version and things worked fine. So I guess my point is if you upgraded from a previous version and didn't install from the 4.2.0 release, maybe you are missing some needed packages. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:35:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:35:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate OS 10.3 to K12LTSP LDAP server (made with In-Reply-To: <200502032247.j13MlZd00659@downeast.net> References: <200502032247.j13MlZd00659@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050204043022.M25404@winonacotter.org> > jason and grey did it a couple weeks ago..it is trivial i think..ill > probe and get back yo yuo tomorrwo..chuck Thanks Chuck. Thanks to the rest of the list as well. Everything I have been obtaining here in the last couple of weeks has helped me push schools in the area to where I may be setting up 300-400 clients across 9 schools this summer. And my test pilot in a new starter school over this year (20 machines and 20 students) has not had a single glitch and absolutely loves the system. Of course I also owe a lot to failed referendums :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:37:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:37:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem - odd dependency with wireless-tools In-Reply-To: References: <000201c50a34$e088b540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050204043604.M81980@winonacotter.org> > I removed the troublesome wireless-tools packages from the > repository. Hopefully that will clear up this problem. Thanks, that was a real bugger. Completely shut down yum until the packages that needed it were removed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:45:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:45:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding a link to a menu In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020318156731a51d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020318156731a51d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050204044200.M40272@winonacotter.org> > I just added Xampp to k12ltsp and it's working fine. The mysql > control panel is at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/. How would I place > that into a menu, lets say under Application/Internet for instance. > If I wanted to have PhpMyAdmin listed there, how would I do that? > Thanks in advance!!!! My first thought is to simply just drag from the browser to the desktop for a shortcut and leave it at that. From what I have seen here recently I think that menu editing (depending on the window manager) is still a black magic. If you don't want a clustered up desktop just make a folder called "Shortcuts" or something and slam all of your app shortcuts there. Should be easy to manage or push to other users that way as well. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 04:55:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:55:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding a link to a menu In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020318156731a51d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020318156731a51d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050204044945.M61975@winonacotter.org> > I just added Xampp to k12ltsp and it's working fine. The mysql > control panel is at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/. How would I place > that into a menu, lets say under Application/Internet for instance. > If I wanted to have PhpMyAdmin listed there, how would I do that? > Thanks in advance!!!! Quick tip. Throw this back out with the window manager your using. I think Gnome your basically hosed with, but KDE has kmenuedit and I found the following under Google for XFCE (You can edit all menus graphically. Just open up xfce settings and it's under Desktop > Menu >Edit Desktop Menu.) If you don't like the folder with shortcut thing I think it is fairly easy in most WM's to add shortcuts (I suppose I should start calling them launchers) to the quick launch type bar at the bottom (or top) of your screen. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From netdxr at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 05:11:29 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:11:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: References: <20050202141027.B222B3A58@mprdmxin.myway.com> <863ff45205020213573f971d1@mail.gmail.com> <1107383961.26042.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <863ff4520502022136647567fc@mail.gmail.com> <1107441708.3365.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42025249.9080607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <863ff45205020321111de469f0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:46:21 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > >Change is sometimes hard for people, teachers moreso than students, as > >has been observed many times on this list. Tom recognizes that having everyone > >share the same ID is a bad policy, but as he said, he's not the policy maker. I > >think the *policy* task at hand is to plant the seeds with the teachers and policy > >makers about why the current policy is bad and first get them to see that the > >present practice has some vulnerabilities, which--knock on wood--haven't resulted > >in any disasters so far. Well said... that's the situation in a nutshell. It's hard to make a case for change when the decision makers are happy with the way things are... but all it takes is a (hopefully small) disaster to raise their awareness and open the door to an alternative approach. With our Linux initiative, we've learned to be careful and cautious when recommending change. After two years of patiently sneaking Linux in wherever we could, we finally amassed enough credibility to have a shot at putting an LTSP lab in at a high profile school. The admins expect our multi-user system to authenticate against the domain with class logins just like our stand alone Linux workstations do and that's what we're going to deliver. If the system works out well and they like it a lot (which I expect they will), tomorrow is another day! :) > Exactly. I actually had a similar set up prior to using Linux (back in > the mid-90's) with Win 98 and mapped drives. We did end up with a few > "lost" files and folders. I actually just changed everything one summer > and then "trained" everyone on the new setup. Once I began telling them > that the only one who can do anything to the files in their home folder is > themselves....they were actually quite excited. Teachers asked about how > kids can "pass in" files to the teacher...so I made "drop boxes" for each > class, but the students were encouraged to make a "copy" of their file and > put it in the "drop box" as opposed to saving the original there. This > way everyone has their cake and can eat it too! Teachers are happy, kids > are happy, and everyone's files are MUCH safer. You might try this > approach as a "meet you in the middle" idea. I bet you can sell it. Yes, that's definitely a better way to go... and if we can log a few months of flawless operation with the new library lab, we'll have the stage set to make that case. > (PS...I highly recommend roaming profiles in Windows....and I recommend > using DeepFreeze to keep the Windows machines "pure"....makes life a LOT > easier) We are running DeepFreeze... our computer lab teachers like it a lot! > With regard to "managing" multiple user accounts....with the new scripts > and all available today...that's a no brainer. I just found your package and am going to thoroughly review it over the weekend. Looks excellent thusfar! -Tom From trondrm at online.no Fri Feb 4 08:35:09 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:35:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] freenx problem In-Reply-To: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> References: <200502031344.j13Diqd06253@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200502040935.10136.trondrm@online.no> I must say that this FreeNX thing is very interesting. When I use a NXClient on a PC it's fast and usable, even for flash. When I use the client on a terminal, using NX_LTSP, flash becomes totally unusable. Does anyone know the optimal settings to pass to startnx for flash? Most webpages which contains educational games for kids use flash. Therefore flash is a *must-have*. In the client for PC, I can set jpeg compression and image quality to 0, this helps a lot. Bit for NX_LTSP it doesn't I can't find those settings. What about all you others experimenting with NX. How do you get max performance on the thinclient? Regards Trond M?hlum From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 4 12:06:00 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:06:00 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts Message-ID: <200502041107.j14B7dV26603@downeast.net> ############################################################### cat People.csv | while read line; do first=$(echo $line | cut -f1 -d ',') last=$(echo $line | cut -f2 -d ',') year=$(echo $line | cut -f3 -d ',') password=$(echo $line | cut -f4 -d ',') name=$(echo $line | cut -f5 -d ',') gid=$year # echo $gid ################################################################## ##echo "Now set up school based on year" ################################################################# ##echo "switching for Staff and Students" if [ "$year" = "BEM" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2051 elif [ "$year" = "CCK" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2052 elif [ "$year" = "EHS" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2053 elif [ "$year" = "EMS" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2054 elif [ "$year" = "HCTC" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2055 elif [ "$year" = "SO" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Staff" && gid=2056 elif [ "$year" = "2005" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2006" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2007" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2008" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2009" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2010" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2011" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2012" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2013" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" elif [ "$year" = "2014" ] ; then year="$year,ou=Students" fi ################################################################# (echo "dn: cn=$name,ou=$year,ou=People,$suffix" echo "sambaLMPassword: B1208432F8D13F034A3B108F3FA6CB6D" echo "sambaPrimaryGroupSID: $SID-$uid" echo "displayName: $first $last" echo "sambaLogonScript: $name.cmd" echo "objectClass: top" echo "objectClass: inetOrgPerson" echo "objectClass: posixAccount" echo "objectClass: sambaSAMAccount" echo "userPassword:: e1NTSEF9L2FMV2RNYkFsMVZBanIwMWNjMjZCVER1MFFUc01jNnQ=" echo "sambaLogonTime: 0" echo "sambaHomeDrive: P:" echo "uid: $name" echo "uidNumber: $uid" echo "cn: $name" echo "sambaLogoffTime: 2147483647" echo "sambaPwdLastSet: 1069876848" echo "loginShell: /bin/bash" echo "sambaAcctFlags: [UX]" echo "sambaProfilePath: \\\\$shortened\\profiles\\$name" ########################### echo "gidNumber: $gid" ########################## echo "sambaPwdMustChange: 0" echo "sambaNTPassword: 0C61039F010B2FBB88FE449FBF262477" echo "gecos: $first $last" echo "sambaPwdCanChange: 0" echo "sambaSID: $SID-$uid" echo "description: $first $last" echo "homeDirectory: /home/$name" echo "sambaKickoffTime: 2147483647" echo "sn: $name" echo "sambaHomePath: \\\\$shortened\homes" echo ) >> $LDIFDIR/People.ldif let "uid +=1" done ok coders: can you get me round this stupid brain-flattulence. run 2000 users thru this piece of script and uid increments on each pass.so at end of script uid otter be 2027 or summat.. echo "Now reset NextFreeUnixId" (echo "dn: cn=NextFreeUnixId,$suffix" echo "gidNumber: 2020" echo "uidNumber: $uid" echo "objectClass:inetOrgPerson" echo "objectClass: sambaUnixIdPool" echo "sn: NextFreeUnixId" echo "cn: NextFreeUnixId" echo ) > $LDIFDIR/FreeUnix.ldif ldapmodify -x -h localhost -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -f $LDIFDIR/FreeUnix.ldif when i reset FreeUnixid with the above uid is back to its default value.. i want nextfreeunixid to reflect obviously the last usable id. i kniw this is trivial but i cant seem to get round it chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 4 14:03:15 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:03:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: References: <20050203195017.GC333208@pcc.com> Message-ID: <28d38ec80d291ac55696a8174197c431@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David. I'm getting your messages twice because you are putting the address in both the TO: field and the CC: field. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIDgKMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQd8QCfU+zvxpZaXFO+kyri/wrCj+el WaAAn0oMe/N8o7wFMuVc3b/3E28Eg72Y =K7oD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 14:38:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:38:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap script question In-Reply-To: <28d38ec80d291ac55696a8174197c431@mindfirestudios.com> References: <28d38ec80d291ac55696a8174197c431@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: Yeah...I realize that now....for some reason when I reply there is a copy of the address in the 'CC' field....I will try to remember to delete it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 14:42:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:42:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help find the bug Message-ID: I think you guys may have hit on something....I am not able to create roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles Should happen automatically. I'm going to try and debug this, but could use your help....if anyone finds out why this isn't working....please let me know. The profile should be automatically created once the Windows user logs off for the first time. This isn't happening..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 15:06:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:06:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help find the bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050204145904.M78743@winonacotter.org> > I think you guys may have hit on something....I am not able to create > roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles Should happen > automatically. I'm going to try and debug this, but could use your > help....if anyone finds out why this isn't working....please let me > know. The profile should be automatically created once the Windows > user logs off for the first time. This isn't happening..... Glad to hear its not just me :-) Here is the message I get on login: You do not have permission to access your central profile located at \\COTTER-PDC\profiles. Contact your network administrator. I checked the /opt/samba/profiles and the permissions are 1777. I see in smb.conf that the [profiles] share is not browsable by default. But if in Network Neighborhood I enter "\\COTTER-PDC\profiles" I have full permissions to add delete files at will. So it doesn't make sense to me why upon login I don't have permissions. Is there something in the sequence of logging in that my user isn't authenticated early enough to have access to the share on login? The other funny thing is, it seems that no matter what I change in relation to paths to the profiles folder it still always attempts to login to \\COTTER-PDC\profiles. Is there another configuration from LDAP or something that is over-riding the smb.conf? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Feb 4 15:19:46 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:19:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding a link to a menu In-Reply-To: <20050204144242.BE28773202@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050204144242.BE28773202@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1107530386.4066.7.camel@phoenix.media.local> Actually, you will want to create a launcher (that you will drag later to the menu). The command that you want to run is "htmlview http://localhost/phpmyadmin". This opens the page in your default web browser. Try running it on the command line, and you will see. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Jim Kronebusch > To: Robert Lefebvre , Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Adding a link to a menu > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:45:32 -0600 > > > I just added Xampp to k12ltsp and it's working fine. The mysql > > control panel is at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/. How would I place > > that into a menu, lets say under Application/Internet for instance. > > If I wanted to have PhpMyAdmin listed there, how would I do that? > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > My first thought is to simply just drag from the browser to the desktop for > a shortcut and leave it at that. From what I have seen here recently I > think that menu editing (depending on the window manager) is still a black > magic. If you don't want a clustered up desktop just make a folder > called "Shortcuts" or something and slam all of your app shortcuts there. > Should be easy to manage or push to other users that way as well. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:31:46 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:31:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update In-Reply-To: <1107443561.2242.11.camel@linux2> References: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADA4C@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> <1107443561.2242.11.camel@linux2> Message-ID: <9bd31756050204073171d81df0@mail.gmail.com> You could try the freezer trick before you have send it back. -Peter On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:12:41 -0200, Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr. wrote: > Em Qui, 2005-02-03 ?s 07:42 -0600, Walker, Clay escreveu: > > I have had USB devices hose up the boot process (to a point that they > > can not boot) on Win boxes. All I can figure is that the system some > > how is thinking it is a USB Hard drive/storage device and attempting to > > boot from it. I didn't spend too much time messing with the boot > > sequence in BIOS to know if this was true or not. Once USB was > > unplugged, all was well. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Clay > > I had a problem like these with an usb hdd. I was testing one unit and > it worked fine. When I tried to boot system with this drive plugged as a > second hd, it spent a long time to boot (because of Fedora hardware > detection) and then gnome taskbar began to crash. Later I read the > Fedora buglist and found out that this kind of crash was caused by a > corrupted gnome configuration file! (.recently-used in home directory). > Really weird! > > Best regards > > Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 15:34:55 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:34:55 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) Message-ID: <009801c50acf$13da2a60$65c8a8c0@brianwork> OK I've fixed the problem with LAM that I was having problems with earlier this week on my snadbox system and it now works except it moans about some of the user names I have used so I've decided to look at other options. I've been looking at the smbldap-useradd-bulk script for the creation ofusers and it almost fits the bill except for one thing, we use a differenthome directories depending of what tutor group the student is in. So forexample we have /home_student/tutorgroups/101/e000000 where e000000 is the students unique enrollment number. I've altered the bulk script to read a userinfo.start file that looks like this firstname,surname,username3,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 firstname,surname,username4,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 firstname,surname,username5,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 and the resulting username.finish looks like this ################################# Fri Feb 4 15:19:00 2005 firstname,surname,username3,513,coo22gra firstname,surname,username4,513,get25hoi firstname,surname,username5,513,naw44not This allows me to specify the users default shell (which is different to staff users) and home directory If I do a slapcat this is the output I get for one of the users dn: uid=username5,ou=Users,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk objectClass: top objectClass: inetOrgPerson objectClass: posixAccount objectClass: shadowAccount objectClass: sambaSamAccount cn: firstname surname sn: username5 uid: username5 uidNumber: 1014 gidNumber: 513 homeDirectory: /home_student/tutorgroup/101/username5 loginShell: /bin/false gecos: firstname surname description: firstname surname structuralObjectClass: inetOrgPerson entryUUID: d84d32a4-0b0b-1029-942f-93dd0faf8abf creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk createTimestamp: 20050204151902Z sambaLogonTime: 0 sambaLogoffTime: 2147483647 sambaKickoffTime: 2147483647 sambaPwdCanChange: 0 displayName: firstname surname sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1240284926-321800789-3025080556-3028 sambaPrimaryGroupSID: S-1-5-21-1240284926-321800789-3025080556-513 sambaLogonScript: startup.bat sambaProfilePath: \\TANGIER-PDC\profiles sambaHomePath: \\TANGIER-PDC\homes sambaHomeDrive: P: sambaLMPassword: 4F980DF14D4528FD417EAF50CFAC29C3 sambaAcctFlags: [U] sambaNTPassword: 9EBFB1A4D317AC3590BE49A47EA6754D sambaPwdLastSet: 1107530342 sambaPwdMustChange: 1139066342 userPassword:: e1NTSEF9dGQ3b3BWSmUxWlVjTWJzZTZuSUdFQVQwQm85WVlTNVo= entryCSN: 20050204151902Z#000007#00#000000 modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk modifyTimestamp: 20050204151902Z And pdbedit -Lv username5 gives Unix username: username5 NT username: username5 Account Flags: [U ] User SID: S-1-5-21-1240284926-321800789-3025080556-3028 Primary Group SID: S-1-5-21-1240284926-321800789-3025080556-513 Full Name: firstname surname Home Directory: \\TANGIER-PDC\homes HomeDir Drive: P: Logon Script: startup.bat Profile Path: \\TANGIER-PDC\profiles Domain: TANGIER-PDC Account desc: firstname surname Workstations: Munged dial: Logon time: 0 Logoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT Kickoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT Password last set: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:19:02 GMT Password can change: 0 Password must change: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:19:02 GMT Last bad password : 0 Bad password count : 0 Logon hours : FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Does all this look correct ?? I've attached the altered script to this email Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smbldap-useradd-bulk-custom-homes Type: application/octet-stream Size: 16366 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 15:38:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:38:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help find the bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050204153708.M57938@winonacotter.org> > I think you guys may have hit on something....I am not able to create > roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles Should happen > automatically. I'm going to try and debug this, but could use your > help....if anyone finds out why this isn't working....please let me > know. The profile should be automatically created once the Windows > user logs off for the first time. This isn't happening..... Even if I comment out all sections relating to the [profiles] share, I still get the cannot access \\COTTER-PDC\profiles Shouldn't it stop trying to store profiles there with that commented out? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 15:51:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:51:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help=?ISO-8859-1?Q? find_?= the bug In-Reply-To: <20050204153708.M57938@winonacotter.org> References: <20050204153708.M57938@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 10:38 AM +0000 wrote: >Even if I comment out all sections relating to the [profiles] share, I >still get the cannot access >\\COTTER-PDC\profiles > >Shouldn't it stop trying to store profiles there with that commented out? Yes...but it may also be related to smbldap.conf as well David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:19:07 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:19:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Message-ID: <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Here is the error message Running smbldap-populate....erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET connect: Connection refused) at /opt/IDEALX///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. Using builtin directory structure failure! I'm stoping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script Quoting David Trask : > Mark Sarria on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at > 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >the test unit is using the recommend distro ( K12LTSP ) > > Are you using 4.2 which is based on Fedora Core 3? This is > essential...4.1 is based on FC2...it must be FC3. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tom at pcc.com Fri Feb 4 16:20:31 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:20:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help find the bug In-Reply-To: <20050204145904.M78743@winonacotter.org> References: <20050204145904.M78743@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050204162031.GA72514@pcc.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I think you guys may have hit on something....I am not able to create > > roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles Should happen > > automatically. I'm going to try and debug this, but could use your > > help....if anyone finds out why this isn't working....please let me > > know. The profile should be automatically created once the Windows > > user logs off for the first time. This isn't happening..... > > Glad to hear its not just me :-) > > Here is the message I get on login: > You do not have permission to access your central profile located at > \\COTTER-PDC\profiles. Contact your network administrator. > I checked the /opt/samba/profiles and the permissions are 1777. I see in > smb.conf that the [profiles] share is not browsable by default. But if in > Network Neighborhood I enter "\\COTTER-PDC\profiles" I have full permissions > to add delete files at will. So it doesn't make sense to me why upon login I > don't have permissions. Is there something in the sequence of logging in that > my user isn't authenticated early enough to have access to the share on login? > > The other funny thing is, it seems that no matter what I change in relation to > paths to the profiles folder it still always attempts to login to > \\COTTER-PDC\profiles. Is there another configuration from LDAP or something > that is over-riding the smb.conf? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I got the same thing initially. But, right now I am not. Here's what I did: I wiped the FC3 installation and reinstalled from scratch. This time I did *not* run up2date or yum. I ran the smbldap installer script and now I have no problems with profile creation at all. I wonder if a bug has been introduced with the uplevel samba package? This is my samba ver: samba-3.0.8-0.pre1.3 my openldap version is 2.2.13-2 Are any of your's different? > -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:23:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: mark at msdigitaldzines.com on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:19 AM +0000 wrote: >Here is the error message > >Running smbldap-populate....erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server >(IO::Socket::INET connect: Connection refused) at >/opt/IDEALX///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. >Using builtin directory structure >failure! >I'm stoping here because this is bad. >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script Do you have any firewalls enabled? You shouldn't....in fact when setting up...do not enable the firewall or secure linux stuff....you can go back and enable that later. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:23:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: mark at msdigitaldzines.com on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:19 AM +0000 wrote: >Here is the error message > >Running smbldap-populate....erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server >(IO::Socket::INET connect: Connection refused) at >/opt/IDEALX///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. >Using builtin directory structure >failure! >I'm stoping here because this is bad. >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script Do you have any firewalls enabled? You shouldn't....in fact when setting up...do not enable the firewall or secure linux stuff....you can go back and enable that later. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:30:16 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:30:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> I checked, under system settings -> Security Level -> Disable firewall using KDE Quoting mark at msdigitaldzines.com: > Here is the error message > > Running smbldap-populate....erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server > (IO::Socket::INET connect: Connection refused) at > /opt/IDEALX///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. > Using builtin directory structure > failure! > I'm stoping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script > > > > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > Mark Sarria on Thursday, February 3, 2005 at > > 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > > >the test unit is using the recommend distro ( K12LTSP ) > > > > Are you using 4.2 which is based on Fedora Core 3? This is > > essential...4.1 is based on FC2...it must be FC3. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:33:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: >I checked, under system settings -> Security Level -> Disable firewall > >using KDE What about the SELinux stuff? Did you disable that too? Also....did you make any modifications prior to running the script? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:35:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:35:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help=?ISO-8859-1?Q? find_?= the bug In-Reply-To: <20050204162031.GA72514@pcc.com> References: < > <20050204145904.M78743@winonacotter.org> <20050204162031.GA72514@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:20 AM +0000 wrote: >I got the same thing initially. But, right now I am not. Here's what I >did: > >I wiped the FC3 installation and reinstalled from scratch. This time I >did >*not* run up2date or yum. I ran the smbldap installer script and now >I have no problems with profile creation at all. I wonder if a bug >has been introduced with the uplevel samba package? > > >This is my samba ver: samba-3.0.8-0.pre1.3 >my openldap version is 2.2.13-2 > >Are any of your's different? OK! Very cool! I'm in the process of reloading two sandboxes from scratch....I will try it without updating anything and see what happens...then I will update selectively (can you do that too?) and see what package breaks it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:37:21 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:37:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting David Trask : > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: > >I checked, under system settings -> Security Level -> Disable firewall > > > >using KDE > > What about the SELinux stuff? Did you disable that too? To disable that part, is it just a matter of unchecking Enabled and Enforcse? > > Also....did you make any modifications prior to running the script? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 4 16:42:43 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:42:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) In-Reply-To: <20050204153514.BD3E97367C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050204153514.BD3E97367C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050204164243.GA17141@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Brian Chivers" > Subject: [K12OSN] Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) > I've been looking at the smbldap-useradd-bulk script for the creation > ofusers and it almost fits the bill except for one thing, we use a > differenthome directories depending of what tutor group the student is in. > So forexample we have > > /home_student/tutorgroups/101/e000000 > > where e000000 is the students unique enrollment number. > > I've altered the bulk script to read a userinfo.start file that looks like > this > > firstname,surname,username3,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > firstname,surname,username4,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > firstname,surname,username5,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > > and the resulting username.finish looks like this > > ################################# > Fri Feb 4 15:19:00 2005 > > firstname,surname,username3,513,coo22gra > firstname,surname,username4,513,get25hoi > firstname,surname,username5,513,naw44not > > This allows me to specify the users default shell (which is different to > staff users) and home directory Good idea, Brian. I didn't think of letting folks customize their users' home directories or shells, and the script should make those possible -- but not required. I think you modified the script correctly, but we should try to figure out what the best way to handle this problem is. That is, it would be best to have one version of the script that is consistently updated rather than multiple versions that need to be kept in sync, and we need to make that One Version ("to rule them all...") work as well as possible for as many people as possible - including folks who want to specify alternate shells and custom home directory schemes. I propose that we add two new fields to the input to smbldap-useradd-bulk: "home" and "shell". Input would look like this: > firstname,surname,username,[GID,shell,home-directory,password] Note that the last four fields are [optional], and any of them can be specified apart from the others as long as a blank is left for any internal field. For example, the following specifies a shell but no GID: > firstname,surname,username,,shell And here, a password but no other optional field: > firstname,surname,username,,,,password Output from the script would look like this: > firstname,surname,username3,GID,shell,home-directory,password So for you, Brian, an example input line would look like this: firstname,surname,username,GID,/bin/false,/home_students/tutorgroup/101/ I think this is reasonable because by the time you've got students divided into tutoring groups, you've got to enter the data one way or another. If we simply add generic fields such as "home" and "shell" to the smbldap-useradd-bulk script, you can create those home directory paths in your input with your custom information, rather than forcing everyone who uses smbldap-useradd-bulk to have a "tutor" field, which almost no one else will use. The combination of create-usernames and smbldap-useradd-bulk (and the 'make' command) will continue to work fine after these changes. Please let me know if anyone has any objections to these changes being made. Assuming this works for everyone, I'll plan to make these changes to smbldap-useradd-bulk and release another version soon -- hopefully this weekend. Maybe we can nail the roaming profiles problem simultaneously...? --matt From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:41:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:41:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:37 AM +0000 wrote: > > >To disable that part, is it just a matter of unchecking Enabled and >Enforcse? I believe so David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:42:53 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:42:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting mark at msdigitaldzines.com: > Quoting David Trask : > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: > > >I checked, under system settings -> Security Level -> Disable firewall > > > > > >using KDE > > > > What about the SELinux stuff? Did you disable that too? > > > To disable that part, is it just a matter of unchecking Enabled and Enforcse? I did the above and ran the script again, same error message. > > > > Also....did you make any modifications prior to running the script? > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 16:47:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:47:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:42 AM +0000 wrote: >I did the above and ran the script again, same error message. Have you reloaded or are you still working with the same install from yesterday? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:52:28 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:52:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107535948.4203a84cba009@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting David Trask : > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:42 AM +0000 wrote: > >I did the above and ran the script again, same error message. > > Have you reloaded or are you still working with the same install from > yesterday? Same install from yesterday, It was the last re-install of the day, where I did preform a custom full installation by selecting EVERYTHING. if need be I can re-install again, just hoping to get this solved, cause my other two installs gave me the same error problem when running the script > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 16:55:45 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:55:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107535948.4203a84cba009@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535948.4203a84cba009@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107536145.4203a91105ff9@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting mark at msdigitaldzines.com: > Quoting David Trask : > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:42 AM +0000 wrote: > > >I did the above and ran the script again, same error message. > > > > Have you reloaded or are you still working with the same install from > > yesterday? > > Same install from yesterday, It was the last re-install of the day, where I > did > preform a custom full installation by selecting EVERYTHING. > > if need be I can re-install again, just hoping to get this solved, cause my > other two installs gave me the same error problem when running the script Does the script need to run from a particular directory, cause I have the script in my tmp folder? > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 4 16:57:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:57:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107536265.21608.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> David, Why don't you post a pointer to your script on fedora-list at redhat.com? It should be useful in a stock fedora setup as well as k12ltsp and you'd get a bigger testbed for it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 4 17:19:46 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:19:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <20050204170038.5E8567494B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050204170038.5E8567494B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050204171946.GB17141@socrates.mojo.home> > From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com > Does the script need to run from a particular directory, cause I have the script > in my tmp folder? Yes and no. It doesn't matter where you extract the tarball, but the script expects to live in its own smbldap-installer directory. It doesn't matter what your Present Working Directory ('pwd') is when you run the script. For example, this should work fine: $ cd /my/own/path $ pwd /my/own/path $ tar xzf /root/smbldap-installer-1.1.tgz $ ./smbldap-installer/smb-ldap.pl Or, instead of that last command, this would work: $ cd smbldap-installer $ ./smb-ldap.pl This would probably NOT work: $ tar xzf smbldap-installer-1.1.tgz $ mv smbldap-installer/smb-ldap.pl /tmp/ $ /tmp/smb-ldap.pl That would probably not work because the smb-ldap.pl script assumes that the 'rpms' and 'templates' directories are in the same directory as itself. If you move the script file (smb-ldap.pl) to a different directory without putting 'rmps' and 'templates' in the same directory, it won't know where to find those and it will fail. --matt From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 17:25:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:25:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbladap-installer In-Reply-To: <1107536265.21608.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <004801c50a59$43220fc0$6402a8c0@DigitalDZines1> < > < > < > < > <1107533947.4203a07bbd4d5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > <1107534616.4203a318ad4cc@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > < > < > < > <1107535041.4203a4c12cece@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107535373.4203a60d1dd68@www.msdigitaldzines.com> < > <1107536265.21608.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:57 AM +0000 wrote: >David, > >Why don't you post a pointer to your script on fedora-list at redhat.com? >It should be useful in a stock fedora setup as well as k12ltsp and >you'd get a bigger testbed for it. Good point....Matt? Whaddya' think? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robowens at myway.com Fri Feb 4 17:32:36 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:32:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update Message-ID: <20050204173236.D478E3990@mprdmxin.myway.com> I'm not familiar with the freezer trick. I assume it involves putting the drive in the freezer... Is there a pretty good success rate with this trick, and how long is the drive usually readable for when you do this? It would be great if I could gain enough time to copy all of the pictures off of the drive. -Rob --- On Fri 02/04, Ascension Tech < ascensiontech at gmail.com > wrote: From: Ascension Tech [mailto: ascensiontech at gmail.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:31:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update You could try the freezer trick before you have send it back.

-Peter


On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:12:41 -0200, Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr.
wrote:
> Em Qui, 2005-02-03 ?s 07:42 -0600, Walker, Clay escreveu:
> > I have had USB devices hose up the boot process (to a point that they
> > can not boot) on Win boxes. All I can figure is that the system some
> > how is thinking it is a USB Hard drive/storage device and attempting to
> > boot from it. I didn't spend too much time messing with the boot
> > sequence in BIOS to know if this was true or not. Once USB was
> > unplugged, all was well.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Clay
>
> I had a problem like these with an usb hdd. I was testing one unit and
> it worked fine. When I tried to boot system with this drive plugged as a
> second hd, it spent a long time to boot (because of Fedora hardware
> detection) and then gnome taskbar began to cr! ash. Later I read the
> Fedora buglist and found out that this kind of crash was caused by a
> corrupted gnome configuration file! (.recently-used in home directory).
> Really weird!
>
> Best regards
>
> Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr.
>
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 17:37:02 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <006701c50965$e44b1580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050204173702.7016.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> I have tried the suggestions posted previously. PLUS, many other things in desperation (from Webmin and manually on my server)... so I'm at a loss here... OK, let me start from scratch on this one... What SHOULD I do to make it so that users in my network can send mail from our sendmail server, using Mozilla mail or the dreaded M$ Outlook/Express? What are the settings that need to be in place on the server and on the clients? Bear in mind that I have the users go through a proxy server/filter to get to the mail server, but I can bypass this if necessary and give them direct connection. What are all the things that I should have in place for this to function correctly? I have imap and sendmail installed. I can receive mail - no problem. I can SEND from LOCALHOST only. So Usermin is working fine. BUT Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird can't SEND from clients in my network. If all hope is lost, I guess I can tell all my users they will simply have to use Usermin. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Feb 4 17:40:39 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:40:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java Message-ID: <4203B397.3030209@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I recently managed to get Internet Explorer 6 working using WINE and WineTools, but I can't seem to get Java working with it. I'm getting a message saying that there's not enough memory to install the Java Virtual Machine. We need to use this for some online testing, and I'm hoping to be able to use our thin-client labs. Any (constructive) thoughts are welcome. (No "Microsoft is evil" stuff, please.) -- C-ya, Mark ____ The housefly hums in the middle octave, key of F. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 4 17:53:41 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:53:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050204173702.7016.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050204173702.7016.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4203B6A5.60400@maltzen.net> What are Mozilla and T-bird using for the outgoing (SMTP) server? What happens if you try to send a message from Moz or Tbird to another user at localhost? In otherwords, assuming you have user1, user2, user3, IDs setup on the server, if you login on the terminal as user1, use Moz/Tbird to send a message to user2 at localhost, and then have a look at /var/spool/mail/user2 to see if the message is at least delivered internally. Post back what you find. richard ingalls wrote: > I have tried the suggestions posted previously. PLUS, > many other things in desperation (from Webmin and > manually on my server)... so I'm at a loss here... > > > OK, let me start from scratch on this one... What > SHOULD I do to make it so that users in my network can > send mail from our sendmail server, using Mozilla mail > or the dreaded M$ Outlook/Express? What are the > settings that need to be in place on the server and on > the clients? Bear in mind that I have the users go > through a proxy server/filter to get to the mail > server, but I can bypass this if necessary and give > them direct connection. > > What are all the things that I should have in place > for this to function correctly? I have imap and > sendmail installed. I can receive mail - no problem. > I can SEND from LOCALHOST only. So Usermin is working > fine. BUT Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird can't SEND > from clients in my network. > > If all hope is lost, I guess I can tell all my users > they will simply have to use Usermin. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ybjones at one.net Fri Feb 4 18:07:05 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:07:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update In-Reply-To: <20050204173236.D478E3990@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20050204175823.LTZM13012.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> > I'm not familiar with the freezer trick. I assume it > involves putting the drive in the freezer... Is there a > pretty good success rate with this trick, and how long is the > drive usually readable for when you do this? It would be > great if I could gain enough time to copy all of the pictures > off of the drive. That's exactly what it is. I have had pretty good success doing this. I usually put the drive in a plastic bag and remove as much air as I can just to minimize condensation freezing on the drive. I have had luck with 30minute freezes but have sometimes had to leave it in overnight. The first thing that I do is either boot up and ghost the drive or hook it to a USB adapter and try to copy/recover as much data as possible before it decides to crash again. Sometimes I get a little data and sometimes I get it all and sometimes it doesn't work at all. Be aware though, depending on the problem with the drive, you could cause more damage and data corruption by doing this. If the data is critical, consider a data recovery company. It does not sound like getting pictures off though would be worth the cost of sending it to a clean room ;-) Good luck, Yancey From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri Feb 4 18:10:27 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions Message-ID: <001701c50ae4$ce213070$0100a8c0@Marian> Hello all, After updating kernel from K12LTSP 4.2 FC3 to FC3smp the partitions /home, /tmp, /var created for quotas were lost and joined to one large partition. The updating was done by command: yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot Is it possible? How to recover lost partitions without loosing operating system? Is it possible to install smp kernel somehow redirecting instalation from distro CD from FC3 to FC3smp? Please advice.Thank you. Marian Pribik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Feb 4 18:18:10 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:18:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Proposal time for an LTSP Rollout Message-ID: <4203BC62.4070106@saskforestcentre.ca> I've finally got the go-ahead to propose radical restructuring of an all-windows shop to a partial thin-client shop. Hardware will be sunk into a specific short-term project (an email garden), so we'll be able to do the rollout as a progressive optional rollout instead of a required, mandated rollout, without worries on that front. It's a neat project possibility which is developing into a vision-quest. Teehee. Anyway, I just thought I'd put in a vote for LTSP systems (this'll be K12LTSP, just 'cause) in general, and put in a request for the list: 1) I am planning a 10 client system to start. I'm not too worried about the hardware for the server. It's not going to be terribly stressed. Probably an amd64 chip and 2GB of memory will be more than sufficient. Right now our common file server has 18/60GB free, so no worries on that front. 2) What have your business requirements been, which I might be overlooking? I want to roll out to the word/excel/outlook/ie crowd with functional upgrading - for example spam filtering at the client. I like Thunderbird for spam filtering, personally, but I suspect Evolution will be better suited. We're not using Exchange server, which is nice. 3) How have you dealt with the "travelling professional" who is out of the office a few days a month, and needs a laptop for that. Options seem to be to leave them on laptops, or roll out thin clients and have a pool of travelling laptops which can sync to the file server for specific files to travel with. 4) How have you dealt with burning CD's and having USB keys available (yes, I know this is a current issue with LTSP) and other client expectations? 5) Any good ideas you want to share? 6) Any particular applications you think I could promote as big functional improvements for normal people? This is a pet project that may see the light of day. I admit it. Thanks, Angus Carr. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 18:27:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:27:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: hard drive emergency -- update In-Reply-To: <20050204173236.D478E3990@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <000d01c50ae7$2bdca210$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I'm not familiar with the freezer trick. I assume it > involves putting the drive in the freezer... Is there a > pretty good success rate with this trick, and how long is the > drive usually readable for when you do this? It would be > great if I could gain enough time to copy all of the pictures > off of the drive. I actually had it work twice. I have no idea how long it would have ran cause I immediately copied the data off after I saw it took off. I have also had unplugging the drive while running and plugging it back in (gives things a little jog) work before as well. But don't get your hopes too high. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 4 18:31:29 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:31:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Sendmail doesn't SEND - only receives In-Reply-To: <20050204173702.7016.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050204173702.7016.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107541889.21608.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 11:37, richard ingalls wrote: > I have tried the suggestions posted previously. PLUS, > many other things in desperation (from Webmin and > manually on my server)... so I'm at a loss here... > > > OK, let me start from scratch on this one... What > SHOULD I do to make it so that users in my network can > send mail from our sendmail server, using Mozilla mail > or the dreaded M$ Outlook/Express? You should have to change: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl to DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl in sendmail.mc then rebuild sendmail.cf and restart sendmail, and add your network address to a line in /etc/mail/access like: 192.168.0 RELAY for networks that should be able to forward non-local mail out through this server, then rebuild the access.db database. Most (all?) fedora versions will do the rebuild if you type 'make' in the /etc/mail directory. If you are running iptables firewalling, you'll have to allow port 25 in. You can test whether you are permitting connections by trying to telnet to port 25 from another machine: telnet yourserver 25 You should get a greeting from sendmail - exit by typing 'quit'. If you get that far, any client rejections should result in a log entry in /var/log/maillog with the reason. If you still have problems, please post one of these log entries. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 18:56:52 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-Installer -update Message-ID: <1107543412.4203c574a6519@www.msdigitaldzines.com> I just completed a full reinstall of the os, I downloaded the installer script and ran it, here are the notes from my observation. Gathering system information... checking for perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. checking for perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. checking for perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. checking for perl-MapUTFS-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. checking for smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm...not found. ------then towards the bottom it says in green letter I need to install ....(the files from above) -------------now in the log it shows Checking configuration files for : slaptest: bad configiration file! Setting ldap service to start during system boot...Success![Failed] Runnning smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: cant contact master ldap server (OI::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /opt/IDEALX/sbin///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. Using builtin directory structure falier! I'm stoping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. --------end---- --mark From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 19:04:36 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:04:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <1107543412.4203c574a6519@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <1107543412.4203c574a6519@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107543876.4203c744f060f@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting mark at msdigitaldzines.com: > > > I just completed a full reinstall of the os, I downloaded the installer > script > and ran it, here are the notes from my observation. > > Gathering system information... > checking for perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. > checking for perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. > checking for perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. > checking for perl-MapUTFS-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. > checking for smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm...not found. > ------then towards the bottom it says in green letter > I need to install ....(the files from above) > > -------------now in the log it shows > Checking configuration files for : slaptest: bad configiration file! > Setting ldap service to start during system boot...Success![Failed] > > Runnning smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: cant contact master ldap server > (OI::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at > /opt/IDEALX/sbin///smbldap_tools.pm line 159. > Using builtin directory structure > falier! > I'm stoping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > --------end---- > can someone send me the link to download smbldap-installer, I might have the wrong one. > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 19:13:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:13:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <1107543876.4203c744f060f@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <000e01c50aed$a2d98b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > can someone send me the link to download smbldap-installer, I > might have the wrong one. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/smbldap-installer-1.1.tgz -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Feb 4 19:25:19 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:25:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> Message-ID: <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> Hi, I just performed the upgrade from 4.0.1 to FC3 based 4.2 And I can't get X up. When going through graphical boot, it gets to the part where X should come up, and I hear the monitor click, and then nothing...Just a blank screen. For a long time. I signed into a terminal and brought up /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or wherever it is), and it looks fine to me. Looks the same as my old XFree86 configs, anyway, as far as monitor, video card, video settings. But when I tried /user/X11/bin/startx (or wherever it was that I found startx) I get something about a missing command, "xauth". I've never used anything but XFree86, so Xorg is new to me. Also, I suppose this might be noteworthy, while booting I keep getting a msg about not finding /lib/modules/blah blah blah, something about the kernel (which wasn't updated, still 2.4.22). I don' recall off hadn if it was kernel-2.4.22nptl./lib/modules or /lib/modules/kernel-2.4.22nptl I did read the release notes about updating the kernel, which I would do, if I could get in. I'm presently only able to access the internet now because of the xtra drive I just installed XP on. I've considered starting over and doing a fresh install, since I jsut backed almost everything up, but I didn't backup *everything*, and don't want to have to reconfigure stuff like mount for my camera, and lose all my saved passwords and bookmarks from moz, and the few other headaches I would have to deal with. I mean, 90% of my important data, photographs, etc., are all backed up. Don't know if a fresh install would make any difference at this juncture, anyway. I do have a Suse 8.2 Pro box sitting here, too....Hmmm... Oh, and as if that weren't enough. One more issue: When I boot, kudzu keeps telling me that the printer has been removed from the system (hp deskjet5550, usb), but it hasn't been. It's on, plugged in, connected, etc. Perhaps I should start separate threads for these possibly separate issues? Not sure how they could be related, except that they are all a result of my attempt at upgrade. tony http://www.school-library.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 19:28:50 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:28:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> Message-ID: <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting anthony baldwin : I had the same problem, do you get the login screen? if you do, the default is termal base xwindow, first time I've ever seen it, any at the login screen change your session. > Hi, > I just performed the upgrade from 4.0.1 to FC3 based 4.2 > And I can't get X up. > When going through graphical boot, it gets to the part where X should > come up, and I hear the monitor click, and then > nothing...Just a blank screen. For a long time. > I signed into a terminal and brought up /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or wherever > it is), and it looks fine to me. > Looks the same as my old XFree86 configs, anyway, as far as monitor, > video card, video settings. > But when I tried /user/X11/bin/startx (or wherever it was that I found > startx) > I get something about a missing command, "xauth". > I've never used anything but XFree86, so Xorg is new to me. > > Also, I suppose this might be noteworthy, while booting I keep getting a > msg about not finding > /lib/modules/blah blah blah, something about the kernel (which wasn't > updated, still 2.4.22). > I don' recall off hadn if it was kernel-2.4.22nptl./lib/modules or > /lib/modules/kernel-2.4.22nptl > I did read the release notes about updating the kernel, which I would > do, if I could get in. > I'm presently only able to access the internet now because of the xtra > drive I just installed XP on. > > I've considered starting over and doing a fresh install, since I jsut > backed almost everything up, but I didn't backup > *everything*, and don't want to have to reconfigure stuff like mount for > my camera, and lose all my saved passwords and bookmarks > from moz, and the few other headaches I would have to deal with. I > mean, 90% of my important data, photographs, etc., are all backed up. > Don't know if a fresh install would make any difference at this > juncture, anyway. > I do have a Suse 8.2 Pro box sitting here, too....Hmmm... > > Oh, and as if that weren't enough. One more issue: When I boot, kudzu > keeps telling me that the printer has been removed from the system > (hp deskjet5550, usb), but it hasn't been. It's on, plugged in, > connected, etc. > > Perhaps I should start separate threads for these possibly separate > issues? Not sure how they could be related, except that they are all > a result of my attempt at upgrade. > > > tony > http://www.school-library.net > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12ltsp at hermon.net Fri Feb 4 19:34:38 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:34:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working Message-ID: Hey, I was asked to post how I got sound working here and I apologize I forgot to respond! Anyhow, here's my experience with sound. I prefer ESD over NASD. NASD however is easier to use on FC2 because you don't have to make any changes to the accounts and it works right off in ICEWM. However, NASD on my older terminals keeps breaking up, plays slowly and pauses the flash animtion on the terminal as the audio stops. Not impressive. I would guestimate that NASD would work on terminals over 200 MHz. ESD however works flawlessly for me on terminals as slow as 100 MHz. Again, this is the experience here in hermon, and we use FC2, so I don't know if this applies on the newest iteration of LTSP. How I got ESD to work on the terminals: Simple, just go to preferences, more preferences, and choose "Multimedia Systems Selector."Select ESD and presuming you have a compatible sound card, you can click on test and should hear a tone! The basic games such as Gcompris, Tuxtype, Tuxpaint, etc.. will work in this environment. HOWEVER, Mozilla flash will not without the following commands: ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 (Mozilla looks for libesd.so.0) Then: cd /tmp mkdir .esd cd .esd touch socket cd .. chmod -R a+rwx .esd/ An EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com Just visit the site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This website is a great place to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. As for audio cards.. I have not been successfullin getting my SB compatible sound card to operate. I did however find a card that will work: http://xiertekusa.com/product.php?pid=132&xcSID=2aeee5a792f10a91d9fe7908bbe81f26 It costs only 9 bucks per card, but is hard to get since it's no longer produced! I'd like to ask the LSTP community is anyone can recommend a sound card they know works right off without modication, like the one above. (I think that sound blaster card is recognized as a Ensoniq card when the terminal boots) If you know a good source to get a working sound card, I'd like to order a bulk of the cards for the terminals in our elementary school! Thank you all! Have a good day! From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 4 19:37:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:37:02 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java]] Message-ID: <4203CEDE.4040603@maltzen.net> FYI, Java with IE on wine is possible if not obvious. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java] Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:22:41 -0600 From: Jeremy White To: Petre Scheie References: <4203B7BC.60907 at maltzen.net> The MS JVM can work; you've got to hunt a bit to find it, but it should work. Cheers, Jeremy Petre Scheie wrote: > Hey Jeremy- > This came up on the K12LTSP list, and I wondered if you know off the top > of your head whether Java with IE works under WINE or CXO or not. > > Thanks. > > Petre > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:40:39 -0600 > From: Mark Cockrell > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hello all, > I recently managed to get Internet Explorer 6 working using WINE and > WineTools, but I can't seem to get Java working with it. I'm getting a > message saying that there's not enough memory to install the Java > Virtual Machine. We need to use this for some online testing, and I'm > hoping to be able to use our thin-client labs. Any (constructive) > thoughts are welcome. (No "Microsoft is evil" stuff, please.) > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Feb 4 19:39:43 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:39:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <4203CF7F.5000504@snet.net> mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: >Quoting anthony baldwin : >I had the same problem, do you get the login screen? > >if you do, the default is termal base xwindow, first time I've ever seen it, any >at the login screen change your session. > > > > NO...I don't even get the login screen. I just get nothingness...A big, black hole of nothingness... Kind of like my bank account... tony > > >>Hi, >>I just performed the upgrade from 4.0.1 to FC3 based 4.2 >>And I can't get X up. >>When going through graphical boot, it gets to the part where X should >>come up, and I hear the monitor click, and then >>nothing...Just a blank screen. For a long time. >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 4 19:42:23 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:42:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions In-Reply-To: <001701c50ae4$ce213070$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001701c50ae4$ce213070$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <388a747bb1d9b830833c306dbaf5fa9b@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This shouldn't happen just from doing a kernel update. Did you do anything else? On Feb 4, 2005, at 12:10 PM, M.Pribik wrote: > Hello all, > After updating kernel?from K12LTSP 4.2 FC3 to FC3smp the partitions > /home, /tmp, /var created for quotas were > lost and joined to one large partition. The updating was done by > command: > ? > yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot > Is it possible? > How to recover lost partitions without loosing operating system? > Is it possible to install smp kernel?somehow redirecting instalation > from distro CD from FC3 to FC3smp? > Please advice.Thank you. > Marian Pribik > ? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkID0B8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRkXgCdFhgN3gnD8LTYDAiQ/efz1+ZL eewAnA4jLVpnRTzqvE3u5oiGG3nWKdIw =KIPq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 19:43:41 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:43:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <4203CF7F.5000504@snet.net> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <4203CF7F.5000504@snet.net> Message-ID: <1107546221.4203d06de57a7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting anthony baldwin : > mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: > > >Quoting anthony baldwin : > >I had the same problem, do you get the login screen? > > > >if you do, the default is termal base xwindow, first time I've ever seen it, > any > >at the login screen change your session. > > > > > > > > > > NO...I don't even get the login screen. > I just get nothingness...A big, black hole of nothingness... > Kind of like my bank account... Yea, I got that to, I found out I just put in the wrong resolution settings for my monitor, I was out of range, the way i fixed it....reinstall. > > tony > > > > > > >>Hi, > >>I just performed the upgrade from 4.0.1 to FC3 based 4.2 > >>And I can't get X up. > >>When going through graphical boot, it gets to the part where X should > >>come up, and I hear the monitor click, and then > >>nothing...Just a blank screen. For a long time. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 19:50:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:50:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possiblekernel issue? In-Reply-To: <1107546221.4203d06de57a7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50af2$d38ca360$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Yea, I got that to, I found out I just put in the wrong > resolution settings for my monitor, I was out of range, the > way i fixed it....reinstall. A quicker way would be to grab another monitor that works then change things. After one too many X problems on startup I now try to make a habit of checking the box on the final screen before reboot that says boot to terminal or something like that. Then I am safe no matter what X wants to do. Then I can startx quick if I want. Saves some headaches. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Feb 4 19:56:54 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:56:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <1107546221.4203d06de57a7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <4203CF7F.5000504@snet.net> <1107546221.4203d06de57a7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <4203D386.4060007@snet.net> mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: >Quoting anthony baldwin : > > > >>mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Quoting anthony baldwin : >>>I had the same problem, do you get the login screen? >>> >>>if you do, the default is termal base xwindow, first time I've ever seen it, >>> >>> >>any >> >> >>>at the login screen change your session. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>NO...I don't even get the login screen. >>I just get nothingness...A big, black hole of nothingness... >>Kind of like my bank account... >> >> > >Yea, I got that to, I found out I just put in the wrong resolution settings for >my monitor, I was out of range, the way i fixed it....reinstall. > > > > > Well, now, that's odd, becuase I never even got the choice to manipulate those settings. In fact, the FC3 install didn't give me a lot of choices that I remember having in every other K12 install I've ever done. I didn't get to choose display settings, so I assumed it would go with the present settings, which, obviously, have been working for me for quite some time. In fact, I recall the xorg.conf only showing possible modes that I believe are possible with this monitor (i've basically been using the max possible.). I didn't get to choose what packages to install or upgrade, as I am used to. I assume it just detected what was already installed and upgraded eveerything there (except the kernel, for some unknown reason, unless 2.4.22 is still default for FC3. I was expecting a 2.6 kernel. Guess that shows how much I've been keeping track of these things). Maybe a fresh install will give me those options? Your reinstall fixed the problem? Was it a fresh install or an upgrade? tony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Feb 4 20:00:30 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:00:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possiblekernel issue? In-Reply-To: <000f01c50af2$d38ca360$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c50af2$d38ca360$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4203D45E.5020204@snet.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Yea, I got that to, I found out I just put in the wrong >>resolution settings for my monitor, I was out of range, the >>way i fixed it....reinstall. >> >> > >A quicker way would be to grab another monitor that works then change >things. After one too many X problems on startup I now try to make a >habit of checking the box on the final screen before reboot that says >boot to terminal or something like that. Then I am safe no matter what >X wants to do. Then I can startx quick if I want. Saves some >headaches. > > > > Yeah, but I wasn't able to startx. I got a terminal, looked at xorg.conf (looked fine to me), and tried startx. When I passed the startx command to terminal, I got some msg about a missing command (missing command in line 23: xauth, or something like that. Suppose I should have written it down.). I did a second install.upgrade, thinking maybe something was somehow missed, but all that got installed the second time was some chinese language pkgs. It's not even giving me the option to choose what's installed or upgraded. That's unlike any other K12/RH or FC install I've ever done. tony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 20:04:10 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:04:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? In-Reply-To: <4203D386.4060007@snet.net> References: <9bd3175605020114074364908b@mail.gmail.com> <4200B821.6020301@snet.net> <4203CC1F.8030900@snet.net> <1107545330.4203ccf28dd23@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <4203CF7F.5000504@snet.net> <1107546221.4203d06de57a7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> <4203D386.4060007@snet.net> Message-ID: <1107547450.4203d53a9b8d9@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting anthony baldwin : > mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: > > >Quoting anthony baldwin : > > > > > > > >>mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Quoting anthony baldwin : > >>>I had the same problem, do you get the login screen? > >>> > >>>if you do, the default is termal base xwindow, first time I've ever seen > it, > >>> > >>> > >>any > >> > >> > >>>at the login screen change your session. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>NO...I don't even get the login screen. > >>I just get nothingness...A big, black hole of nothingness... > >>Kind of like my bank account... > >> > >> > > > >Yea, I got that to, I found out I just put in the wrong resolution settings > for > >my monitor, I was out of range, the way i fixed it....reinstall. > > > > > > > > > > > Well, now, that's odd, becuase I never even got the choice to manipulate > those settings. > In fact, the FC3 install didn't give me a lot of choices that I remember > having in every other K12 install I've ever done. > I didn't get to choose display settings, so I assumed it would go with > the present settings, which, obviously, > have been working for me for quite some time. In fact, I recall the > xorg.conf only showing possible modes > that I believe are possible with this monitor (i've basically been using > the max possible.). > I didn't get to choose what packages to install or upgrade, as I am used > to. I assume it just detected what was already > installed and upgraded eveerything there (except the kernel, for some > unknown reason, unless 2.4.22 is still default for FC3. > I was expecting a 2.6 kernel. Guess that shows how much I've been > keeping track of these things). > > Maybe a fresh install will give me those options? Your reinstall fixed > the problem? > Was it a fresh install or an upgrade? yah, fresh install. the upgrade doesn't give you the choice, I tryed that first didnt work > > tony > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri Feb 4 20:04:18 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:04:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions References: <001701c50ae4$ce213070$0100a8c0@Marian> <388a747bb1d9b830833c306dbaf5fa9b@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <002001c50af4$b632d5d0$0100a8c0@Marian> Im sure that I did not. It is simply not possible to remove partitions by some carelessness. I read that such a case appeared, but there was not solution to resolve it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke Almquist" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This shouldn't happen just from doing a kernel update. > Did you do anything else? > > On Feb 4, 2005, at 12:10 PM, M.Pribik wrote: > > > Hello all, > > After updating kernel from K12LTSP 4.2 FC3 to FC3smp the partitions > > /home, /tmp, /var created for quotas were > > lost and joined to one large partition. The updating was done by > > command: > > > > yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot > > Is it possible? > > How to recover lost partitions without loosing operating system? > > Is it possible to install smp kernel somehow redirecting instalation > > from distro CD from FC3 to FC3smp? > > Please advice.Thank you. > > Marian Pribik > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkID0B8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRkXgCdFhgN3gnD8LTYDAiQ/efz1+ZL > eewAnA4jLVpnRTzqvE3u5oiGG3nWKdIw > =KIPq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.990 (20050202) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 4 20:10:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:10:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roaming profiles...help=?ISO-8859-1?Q? find_?= the bug In-Reply-To: <20050204162031.GA72514@pcc.com> References: < > <20050204145904.M78743@winonacotter.org> <20050204162031.GA72514@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 11:20 AM +0000 wrote: >I got the same thing initially. But, right now I am not. Here's what I >did: > >I wiped the FC3 installation and reinstalled from scratch. This time I >did >*not* run up2date or yum. I ran the smbldap installer script and now >I have no problems with profile creation at all. I wonder if a bug >has been introduced with the uplevel samba package? > > >This is my samba ver: samba-3.0.8-0.pre1.3 >my openldap version is 2.2.13-2 > >Are any of your's different? Tom, which version of the script are you running? smbldap-installer-1.0 or 1.1? I'm using 1.1 and still having issues...so I'm trying to find a starting point. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 20:12:50 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:12:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <000e01c50aed$a2d98b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000e01c50aed$a2d98b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1107547970.4203d742ac089@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting Jim Kronebusch : > > can someone send me the link to download smbldap-installer, I > > might have the wrong one. > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/smbldap-installer-1.1.tgz > When I attemped to start the ldap service, it game the error of slapdtest: bad configuration file. attached is a copy of the configuration file > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is NOT the default. allow bind_v2 # Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory # service AND an understanding of referrals. #referral ldap://root.openldap.org pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid #argsfile //var/run/slapd.args # Load dynamic backend modules: # modulepath /usr/sbin/openldap # moduleload back_bdb.la # moduleload back_ldap.la # moduleload back_ldbm.la # moduleload back_passwd.la # moduleload back_shell.la # The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test # certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to # /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on # slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. # TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt # TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # Sample security restrictions # Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking) # Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates # Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind # security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64 # Sample access control policy: # Root DSE: allow anyone to read it # Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it # Other DSEs: # Allow self write access # Allow authenticated users read access # Allow anonymous users to authenticate # Directives needed to implement policy: # access to dn.base="" by * read # access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read # access to * # by self write # by users read # by anonymous auth # # if no access controls are present, the default policy is: # Allow read by all # # rootdn can always write! ####################################################################### # ldbm and/or bdb database definitions ####################################################################### database ldbm suffix "dc=shsrc,dc=" rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=shsrc,dc=" # Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should # be avoided. See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details. # Use of strong authentication encouraged. rootpw zxB34shs # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg # The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND # should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools. # Mode 700 recommended. directory /var/lib/ldap # Indices to maintain for this database #index objectClass eq,pres #index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname eq,pres,sub #index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell eq,pres #index uid,memberUid eq,pres,sub #index nisMapName,nisMapEntry eq,pres,sub index objectClass eq index cn pres,sub,eq index sn pres,sub,eq index uid pres,sub,eq index displayName pres,sub,eq index uidNumber eq index gidNumber eq index memberUID eq index sambaSID eq index sambaPrimaryGroupSID eq index sambaDomainName eq index default sub # Replicas of this database #replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog #replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 tls=yes # bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI # authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM --------end------------------------------- > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Fri Feb 4 21:04:55 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:04:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is there a command that can do.... Message-ID: We were running out of disk space on a set of our servers and the easiest thing to prune was the Mozilla cache files. I looked through the archives and found this, http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-September/msg00468.html, but it doesn't really work with our home directory structure and it seemed bulky. I ended up settling on the following command run from our equivalent of /home/. find . -path ./*/.mozilla/*/*.slt/Cache -exec rm -rf {} \; Does anyone know of a way to run a find command to find the Cache folders, redirect or -exec that into a ls with a magic option (that I can't find) that lists the full path of each file inside of the Cache directory which could then be redirected into a rm command? Then it would be possible to clean out the contents of the offending directory without killing the directory itself. Thanks, Kevin M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I looked through the > archives and found this, > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-September/msg00468.html, but > it doesn't really work with our home directory structure and it seemed > bulky. > > I ended up settling on the following command run from our equivalent > of /home/. > find . -path ./*/.mozilla/*/*.slt/Cache -exec rm -rf {} \; > > Does anyone know of a way to run a find command to find the Cache > folders, redirect or -exec that into a ls with a magic option (that I > can't find) that lists the full path of each file inside of the Cache > directory which could then be redirected into a rm command? Then it > would be possible to clean out the contents of the offending directory > without killing the directory itself. > > Thanks, > Kevin M. > If I understand correctly, this should do what you want: find . -path ./*/.mozilla/*/*.slt/Cache -type f -exec rm -f {} \; -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you please send me your smb-ldap.log file? > rootpw zxB34shs > # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg And I wouldn't recommend using that password now... ;) --matt From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 4 21:33:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:33:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer issue with roamingprofiles...help find the bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c50b01$1fed10b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > which version of the script are you running? > smbldap-installer-1.0 or > 1.1? I'm using 1.1 and still having issues...so I'm trying > to find a starting point. My starting point is running through the steps for manual configuration and comparing the confs to what I have after the script. So far smb.conf has the following differences: Manual security = user #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u #passwd chat = "Changing password for*\nNew password*" %n\n "*Retype new password*" %n\n" [homes] create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 [profiles] browseable = yes Script #security = user #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u [homes] create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 [profiles] browseable = no create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 21:52:52 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:52:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <20050204213147.GB20693@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050204211917.5720072F3E@hormel.redhat.com> <20050204213147.GB20693@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <1107553972.4203eeb4db8b7@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting Matt Oquist : > > From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com > > > When I attemped to start the ldap service, it game the error of > > > slapdtest: bad configuration file. > > > > > > attached is a copy of the configuration file > > > database ldbm > > suffix "dc=shsrc,dc=" > > rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=shsrc,dc=" > > Well, this looks to me like an error. "dc=" is definitely not good... > Could you please send me your smb-ldap.log file? see attached > > > rootpw zxB34shs > > # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg > > And I wouldn't recommend using that password now... ;) > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smb-ldap.log Type: text/x-log Size: 14832 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 21:55:52 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <20050204213147.GB20693@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050204211917.5720072F3E@hormel.redhat.com> <20050204213147.GB20693@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <1107554152.4203ef68498b8@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting Matt Oquist : > > From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com > > > When I attemped to start the ldap service, it game the error of > > > slapdtest: bad configuration file. > > > > > > attached is a copy of the configuration file I ran the script again and added the shsrc.edu, the script ran fine, its working know > > > database ldbm > > suffix "dc=shsrc,dc=" > > rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=shsrc,dc=" > > Well, this looks to me like an error. "dc=" is definitely not good... > Could you please send me your smb-ldap.log file? > > > rootpw zxB34shs > > # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg > > And I wouldn't recommend using that password now... ;) > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 22:08:04 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:08:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP-Webmin Message-ID: <1107554884.4203f2443f923@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Know that I have the server running, how would I configure Webmin to use ldap or ldap to use webmin to add users and groups. anybody in the group have good instructions for this. Thanks --mark From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 4 22:17:12 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:17:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-Installer -update Message-ID: <20050204221712.GB21443@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > My starting point is running through the steps for manual configuration > and comparing the confs to what I have after the script. > > So far smb.conf has the following differences: > Manual > security = user > #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u > #passwd chat = "Changing password for*\nNew password*" %n\n "*Retype > new password*" %n\n" > [homes] > create mask = 0664 > directory mask = 0775 > [profiles] > browseable = yes > > Script > #security = user > #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u > [homes] > create mask = 0600 > directory mask = 0700 > [profiles] > browseable = no > create mask = 0600 > directory mask = 0700 Just FYI, I added/changed the create and directory masks to prevent kids from viewing and writing (!!) each other's files and directories. When we ran this script for the first time in Exeter, Steve browsed right into other users' directories and created files. Yikes! > From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com > I ran the script again and added the shsrc.edu, the script ran fine, its working > know Yup, that would do it. I'm still worried about the fact that the script let you not enter a domain, though. It shouldn't do that; I'm going to try to figure out what happened. Thanks for your patience and for publishing your conf file and logs. That will hopefully help me prevent someone else from having this problem. --matt From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 22:21:06 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <20050204221712.GB21443@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050204221712.GB21443@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <1107555666.4203f552b0313@www.msdigitaldzines.com> I am attemping to add a user, I cd to /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ then typed smbldap-useradd -m -a testuser and I get $command not found. I have attached my smb.conf file Quoting Matt Oquist : > > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > > My starting point is running through the steps for manual configuration > > and comparing the confs to what I have after the script. > > > > So far smb.conf has the following differences: > > Manual > > security = user > > #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u > > #passwd chat = "Changing password for*\nNew password*" %n\n "*Retype > > new password*" %n\n" > > [homes] > > create mask = 0664 > > directory mask = 0775 > > [profiles] > > browseable = yes > > > > Script > > #security = user > > #passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u > > [homes] > > create mask = 0600 > > directory mask = 0700 > > [profiles] > > browseable = no > > create mask = 0600 > > directory mask = 0700 > > Just FYI, I added/changed the create and directory masks to prevent > kids from viewing and writing (!!) each other's files and directories. > When we ran this script for the first time in Exeter, Steve browsed > right into other users' directories and created files. Yikes! > > > From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com > > I ran the script again and added the shsrc.edu, the script ran fine, its > working > > know > > Yup, that would do it. I'm still worried about the fact that the > script let you not enter a domain, though. It shouldn't do that; I'm > going to try to figure out what happened. > > Thanks for your patience and for publishing your conf file and logs. > That will hopefully help me prevent someone else from having this > problem. > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I figured that things would be ok until I stumbled onto the solution at some time in the future, but now students are already complaining. GIMP for example can't be made to print because once students chose a printer from the print menu they can't get to the bottom of the huge menu to click Print. Sooo... I guess I really need some help. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 4 22:47:09 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:47:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP-Webmin In-Reply-To: <1107554884.4203f2443f923@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <1107554884.4203f2443f923@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107557229.4203fb6dd2d82@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting mark at msdigitaldzines.com: > > > Know that I have the server running, how would I configure Webmin to use ldap > or > ldap to use webmin to add users and groups. > > anybody in the group have good instructions for this. this is what I have in the LDAP Users and Groups Mod Failed to bind to LDAP server as cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=shsrc,dc=edu : No password, did you mean noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module configuration is incorrect. also Samba not is not finding the User when I do smbpasswd UserTest it says faild to locate user :. ? > > Thanks > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From RDuran at dallasairmotive.com Fri Feb 4 23:54:40 2005 From: RDuran at dallasairmotive.com (Duran, Richard) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:54:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP server issues Message-ID: <6357729405F2094F89B5663D49E9DC5303A5C4@eimap.dallasairmotive.com> All: We had been sporadically running into issues whereby our clients were not releasing leases when we expected them to, and were stubbornly refusing to accept the new IP offered by the DHCP server (in most cases, the IP was actively leased by a Windows client, resulting in IP conflicts. Believing this to be dhclient-related, we took an FC3 client and downgraded dhclient to an FC2 (then FC1) version, with no success. We then upgraded the DHCP server running on a FC1 install to the most recent release available for FC3, and still saw the same issue. Finally, we built dhcp-3.0.1-16.src.rpm from fedora/core/development/SRPMS, installed it to our FC1 server and this resolved our issues. Dunno if anyone has experienced the same issues with DHCP, but I just wanted to submit something anecdotal... -richard From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Feb 5 01:03:39 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:03:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: upgrade troubles (4.0.1 to 4.2)...xorg issue? possible kernel issue? Message-ID: I'm wondering if there are just some different video card drivers/libraries in the newer xorg updates. My systems too, had to get re-tweaked- downward, to get X up. If so, perhaps we can get from somewhere the older libraries for our older systems. If the older libraries talked nicely to our systems before, they ought to now, right? Lost In Translation (3.x - 4.2)- Jim From wescott at sc.rr.com Sat Feb 5 01:22:17 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 04 Feb 2005 20:22:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts In-Reply-To: <200502041107.j14B7dV26603@downeast.net> References: <200502041107.j14B7dV26603@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1107566537.7178.29.camel@eriadne> On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: [...] > echo "uid: $name" > echo "uidNumber: $uid" Presumeably, uid is set before the script is called since it is not initialized before it is first used. [...] > let "uid +=1" > done > > ok coders: can you get me round this stupid brain-flattulence. run 2000 > users thru this piece of script and uid increments on each pass.so at end > of script uid otter be 2027 or summat.. In the script it is 2027 right up the script dies. When the process running the script dies that value dies with it and you're left with whatever it was set to before the script started. Variables, like uid or PATH, are not kept in some global area common to all of your processes. Instead they are local to each process, with the initial values inherited from the parent process. When a process, like a shell script, changes the value it does so for its own copy. To do what you want, you'll have to explicitly save the value somehow, say in a file. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 5 02:00:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:00:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts Message-ID: <200502050101.j1511ns27806@downeast.net> yeah: i kinda thought as much..thanks for the comeback..this is one piece of a much larger smblda script..chuck > On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > [...] > > echo "uid: $name" > > echo "uidNumber: $uid" > > Presumeably, uid is set before the script is called since it is not > initialized before it is first used. > > [...] > > let "uid +=1" > > done > > > > ok coders: can you get me round this stupid brain-flattulence. run 2000 > > users thru this piece of script and uid increments on each pass.so at end > > of script uid otter be 2027 or summat.. > > In the script it is 2027 right up the script dies. When the process > running the script dies that value dies with it and you're left with > whatever it was set to before the script started. > > Variables, like uid or PATH, are not kept in some global area common to > all of your processes. Instead they are local to each process, with the > initial values inherited from the parent process. When a process, like a > shell script, changes the value it does so for its own copy. To do what > you want, you'll have to explicitly save the value somehow, say in a > file. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 5 02:34:19 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:34:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts In-Reply-To: <1107566537.7178.29.camel@eriadne> References: <200502041107.j14B7dV26603@downeast.net> <1107566537.7178.29.camel@eriadne> Message-ID: <20050205023107.M59518@winonacotter.org> > In the script it is 2027 right up the script dies. When the process > running the script dies that value dies with it and you're left with > whatever it was set to before the script started. > > Variables, like uid or PATH, are not kept in some global area common > to all of your processes. Instead they are local to each process, > with the initial values inherited from the parent process. When a > process, like a shell script, changes the value it does so for its > own copy. To do what you want, you'll have to explicitly save the > value somehow, say in a file. Given the above is correct, could you do something as simple as adding something to the end of the script to delete any current existance of /somedirectory/prevuid then recreate the file /somedirectory/prevuid and echo the value of the uid variable to prevuid. The add something in the beginning of the script to grep uid from /somedirectory/prevuid and use that as the starting value for the script? If I knew anything about scripting I'd attach an example :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 5 02:45:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050205024103.M63960@winonacotter.org> > So this is issue number two. The monitors that used to be 1024x768 > using K12LTSP 3.x are now 800x600 with 4.2. I've tried like crazy > to get these guys back up to their old resolution, but no luck. I > figured that things would be ok until I stumbled onto the solution > at some time in the future, but now students are already > complaining. GIMP for example can't be made to print because once > students chose a printer from the print menu they can't get to the > bottom of the huge menu to click Print. My bet is you are really having a problem with the refresh rate and not really the resolution. I am guessing when you change to the higher resolution you are simultaneously switching to a refresh rate that is incompatible with your monitor. I don't know much on where to change this in X or exactly which file (hopefully someone else will pipe up with better knowledge on this), but figure out how to use vi and where the needed files are. Then change your runlevel to 3 (I think this will boot to command line), and play with your refresh rates until you find something that works. Then set the runlevel back to 5 (or whatever it was before messing with it). If this is with your clients try modifying lts.conf with different client specific refresh rates and restarting the client until things take off. I usually have started lower say at 60hz then moved up until failure (higher rate is usually easier on the eyes), and then stick with the last working setting. Good luck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Sat Feb 5 03:26:13 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:26:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] add user Message-ID: <1107573973.42043cd5e89ee@www.msdigitaldzines.com> have my Samba LDAP sandbox working (thanks for the help from the fine people of K12osn list serv) but know I need to add 3000 users to my server. My questions is what are you guys using to add users to your LDAP servers? thanks From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 5 03:31:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:31:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts Message-ID: <200502050232.j152Wxs07596@downeast.net> jim youre on the righht track..iwas really hoping for something elegant,since when i do add a hack i end up using it over and over and over..9~) --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Sat Feb 5 03:48:25 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:48:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone upgrade OOo from 1.02 -> 1.1.x ? Message-ID: <42044209.6060706@telus.net> I want to upgrade OOo 1.02 in our 3.1.2 (RH9) server to 1.1.4 Wondering if anyone has done the #./setup -net and chosen update from 1.02. The docs say it can but I'm wondering if I need to log into every user and run setup and chose Workstation install? If I leave it to the the kids they may chose local install and fill up the home partition with OOo installations. Has anyone upgraded without this hassle. Plus what about new users added later? Do you have to run OOo before you give out an account? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Feb 5 05:04:59 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:04:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm --import public.gpg.key = failure Message-ID: <420453FB.9070801@snet.net> You may or may not have been following my upgrade woes. Well, I hosed the whole hdd on an attempt at fresh install of 4.2, somehow. Not sure what happened, but kept getting I/O error on hdd. So, I did a fresh isntall of 4.0.1, and then upgraded, and am now writing to you from a fresh 4.2 upgrade. Very nice. But, I need a few things I'd like to yum in (some stuff to support my hp printer, like cups devel, python devel...plus, I want pico), and I'm getting this: [root at localhost tony]# yum update You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key For more information contact your distribution or package provider. [root at localhost tony]# rpm --import public.gpg.key error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. [root at localhost tony]# Same after several tries. How can I correct this problem? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 5 05:41:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:41:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] rpm --import public.gpg.key = failure In-Reply-To: <420453FB.9070801@snet.net> References: <420453FB.9070801@snet.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, anthony baldwin wrote: > You may or may not have been following my upgrade woes. > Well, I hosed the whole hdd on an attempt at fresh install of 4.2, somehow. > Not sure what happened, but kept getting I/O error on hdd. > So, I did a fresh isntall of 4.0.1, and then upgraded, and am now writing to > you from a fresh 4.2 upgrade. > Very nice. > > But, I need a few things I'd like to yum in (some stuff to support my hp > printer, like cups devel, python devel...plus, I want pico), > and I'm getting this: > > [root at localhost tony]# yum update > > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. > You can do that by running the command: > rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information contact your distribution or package provider. > [root at localhost tony]# rpm --import public.gpg.key > error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. > [root at localhost tony]# > > Same after several tries. > How can I correct this problem? This command should do the trick for you: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 5 06:54:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:54:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I need help to fix Message-ID: Hi all, I really need your help. This is a show-stopping bug for me and I can't seem to figure it out (and I may be panicking a little). Here's the deal. I load a server....K12LTSP 4.2...."Everything" install. I run the smbldap-installer script. All runs fine. I add some users....no problem. Join a Windows XP box to the domain...works fine. Then I try to log on to that Windows machine with a username that I created on the Samba/LDAP server....it logs on fine, but then Windows gives me a box with something like Windows is unable to load profile...using a temporary profile (and indeed it is as it vanishes the moment I log off)...says I may not have permission to add to the profiles folder. I can't seem to find anything wrong....or different that would prevent all this. I am a little curious as to whether there is something amiss with the Administrator user. Here's something I've found....it may be nothing...or it may be everything.... when I run getent passwd on my current functioning Samba/LDAP server (production box...pre smbldap-installer) I get ... Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/:/bin/false Where as on a machine I just set up with smbldap-installer....I get... Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false Note the difference in "home". Are you guys seeing this? I'm having issue running programs like gedit as it wants to write to /home/Administrator, but it isn't there. I wonder if this is contributing? Anyway...I could really use some help trying to debug this situation....not only for me, but for all of us. Plus I'm supposed to be teaching a class about it in 2 weeks....(hence the panicking)....I tested everything except roaming profiles and never would have even thought to check if it hadn't been for Jim K. I have a functioning Samba/LDAP server already thus I hadn't needed to try it, but I do need to fix this as I run Windows roaming profiles and will need it to work when I upgrade this summer. Arrrgghhh! Any help gratefully appreciated....If you go to Linux World I'll buy you a beer. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sat Feb 5 08:26:17 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:26:17 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I need help to fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42048329.4040003@tclcommunications.co.nz> have you tried this on your xp machines.. profile ownship overide ?? [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System] "CompatibleRUPSecurity"=dword:00000001 cheers From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Feb 5 13:03:20 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:03:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm --import public.gpg.key = failure In-Reply-To: References: <420453FB.9070801@snet.net> Message-ID: <4204C418.6000706@snet.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, anthony baldwin wrote: > >> >> [root at localhost tony]# yum update >> >> You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good >> thing. >> However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to >> download >> the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. >> You can do that by running the command: >> rpm --import public.gpg.key >> For more information contact your distribution or package provider. >> [root at localhost tony]# rpm --import public.gpg.key >> error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. >> [root at localhost tony]# >> Same after several tries. >> How can I correct this problem? > > > This command should do the trick for you: > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks, Eric! All set. tony From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Feb 5 13:28:44 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:28:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no C compiler in $Path Message-ID: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> Hi, I did install gcc, and it's in /usr/libexec/gcc, but when I just tried to ./configure something (logjam, a livejournal client), I got: WARNING: no acceptable C compiler in $PATH I'm assuming I merely need to place gcc in my $path, but how do I do that? tony From sbetts at msad71.net Sat Feb 5 13:29:50 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:29:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my plans? I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps and bounds as we work toward one-to-one). Presently I am using Active Directory (Windows -- ugh) for authentication, DHCP etc. Only have linux servers in the background (proxy, web server, etc.). I use mostly open source software although there are occassions where MS stuff is necessary. We just began using terminal services (linux terminals attaching to Windows server) in a new building. I want to redesign the rest of the network to terminals. Of course the MS solution is cost prohibitive. What is my best mode of attack? We presently boot the terminals individually from flash memory. I could go on, but would like to open this up to your brainstorming. What would YOU do in my situation? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Feb 5 14:00:44 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Message-ID: <200502050900.44901.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 05 February 2005 08:29, Sharon Betts wrote: > SNIP > We just began using terminal services (linux terminals attaching to > Windows server) in a new building. I want to redesign the rest of the > network to terminals. Of course the MS solution is cost prohibitive. > What is my best mode of attack? We presently boot the terminals > individually from flash memory. > I could go on, but would like to open this up to your brainstorming. What > would YOU do in my situation? Definitely take a look at K12LTSP (k12ltsp.org) and LTSP (ltsp.org). Running Linux terminals on a Linux server is much less expensive. We have switched our students and faculty to OpenOffice and this allows the base setup to be linux terminal clients. I still use rdesktop connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server for those Windows applications that I haven't found a suitable open source replacement for (or haven't yet sold our faculty on the open source application.) -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From sbetts at msad71.net Sat Feb 5 13:55:48 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:55:48 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <200502050900.44901.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <200502050900.44901.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: Hi John, I am very familiar with K12LTSP (running a pilot in one grade now). However, I do not need all the programs that come with the package -- also prefer to boot the terminals locally. My request here is for some bigger thinking -- I wasn't very clear. Should I put a server in each building (5) -- at each level or for specific applications? How many connections can a server handle (remember I have 3000 users)? What is the best way to handle authentication and/or DHCP? We do use Star Office (free to education now) across the district as well as many other OS apps. Sharon jhansknecht at hanstech.com on Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 9:00 AM +0000 wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 08:29, Sharon Betts wrote: >> SNIP >> We just began using terminal services (linux terminals attaching to >> Windows server) in a new building. I want to redesign the rest of the >> network to terminals. Of course the MS solution is cost prohibitive. >> What is my best mode of attack? We presently boot the terminals >> individually from flash memory. >> I could go on, but would like to open this up to your brainstorming. >What >> would YOU do in my situation? > >Definitely take a look at K12LTSP (k12ltsp.org) and LTSP (ltsp.org). >Running >Linux terminals on a Linux server is much less expensive. We have >switched >our students and faculty to OpenOffice and this allows the base setup to >be >linux terminal clients. I still use rdesktop connect to a Windows 2003 >terminal server for those Windows applications that I haven't found a >suitable open source replacement for (or haven't yet sold our faculty on >the >open source application.) > >-- > >Thanks, > >John > >The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating > system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. > - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 5 14:21:22 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:21:22 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] bondi's ALIVE Message-ID: <200502051322.j15DMrA14299@downeast.net> Jim: for whatever reasonmy "rosemarys baby" bondi machine came to life yesterday without changing one darn thing..must have been pounding it against the floor a couple times that made the difference...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Feb 5 14:05:03 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:05:03 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Anyone upgrade OOo from 1.02 -> 1.1.x ? In-Reply-To: <42044209.6060706@telus.net> References: <42044209.6060706@telus.net> Message-ID: <200502050905.03344.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Friday 04 February 2005 22:48, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I want to upgrade OOo 1.02 in our 3.1.2 (RH9) server to 1.1.4 > Wondering if anyone has done the > > #./setup -net > > and chosen update from 1.02. The docs say it can but I'm wondering if I > need to log into every user and run setup and chose Workstation install? > If I leave it to the the kids they may chose local install and fill up > the home partition with OOo installations. Has anyone upgraded without > this hassle. Plus what about new users added later? Do you have to run > OOo before you give out an account? I have seen discussions on this list regarding updating with a method to keep the redhat script that handles the workstation install working but I have not been able to get it to work. Here are my notes, if you search the k12osn list on 'Terrell Prude' you should be able to find his original notes. "Here it is.? Pretty simple, actually.? I added a line to the bottom of .sversionrc and tweaked /usr/bin/ooffice.? Here are the files post-editing.? I included the original /usr/bin/ooffice as "ooffice.bak" for those who want to diff against the original (recommended). Terrell Prude', Jr. I am indeed leaving the original RPMs on there.? It doesn't hurt anything at all to do so, and it gives you an easy way to roll back to a "known good working" version, just in case. I'm putting the new version of OO.o in a new directory; I happen to like /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.? Then I'm updating the ooffice and .sversionrc files.? The .sversionrc file gets a new line in it to reflect the new version's presence.? That's about it. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 5 15:51:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:51:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <1107555666.4203f552b0313@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <20050204221712.GB21443@socrates.mojo.home> <1107555666.4203f552b0313@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 5:21 PM +0000 wrote: >I am attemping to add a user, I cd to /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ then typed >smbldap-useradd -m -a testuser and I get $command not found. I have >attached my >smb.conf file use ./ >smbldap-useradd -m -a testuser David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 5 15:51:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:51:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-Installer -update In-Reply-To: <1107555666.4203f552b0313@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <20050204221712.GB21443@socrates.mojo.home> <1107555666.4203f552b0313@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 4, 2005 at 5:21 PM +0000 wrote: >I am attemping to add a user, I cd to /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ then typed >smbldap-useradd -m -a testuser and I get $command not found. I have >attached my >smb.conf file use ./ >smbldap-useradd -m -a testuser David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Steven at Stevensantos.com Sat Feb 5 17:39:53 2005 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:39:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <20050205150333.5E54B73A27@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001901c50ba9$b3b32d90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> > Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my > plans? Always welcome! > I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a > business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps and > bounds as we work toward one-to-one). Presently I am using Active > Directory (Windows -- ugh) for authentication, DHCP etc. Only have linux > servers in the background (proxy, web server, etc.). I use mostly open > source software although there are occassions where MS stuff is necessary. > We just began using terminal services (linux terminals attaching to > Windows server) in a new building. I want to redesign the rest of the > network to terminals. Of course the MS solution is cost prohibitive. > What is my best mode of attack? We presently boot the terminals > individually from flash memory. Lot of variables, so let me ask a few questions What specific services do you need to provide? (general computing, roaming profiles, roaming profiles across buildings, email, printing, web, shared folders, library, database access, etc) What kind of connection do you have between sites? Will these all be thin clients, or will this be a mixed mode install (thin, thick, windows, mac) What kind of policies are in place that may effect this? In an ideal world, with big fat pipes that never go down to each location, I would say that you would want an LDAP server, a home server, backup server, web server, email server, web filter/proxy and central print server in the central office (or other suitable location), connected via WAN to the other locations. You then have K12LTSP servers at each location to boot clients, and provide most applications. You might want a number of application servers for OO.o, Moz, programming, and what ever other high demand apps you have at each location, plus a Windows TS for what ever win apps you have to have. But the details of your situation will dictate what will and what will not work. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Feb 5 17:40:25 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:40:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. Message-ID: Hi Jim, Thanks for looking at my X troubles. I just can't find any documentation on other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is probably the last place to look... I have tried all of the x_modes below found in the lts.conf file: # 60 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 70 Hz Resolutions (Use instead of 72 Hz for 1024x768) # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 72 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1192 1296 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 75 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync # 85 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -hsync -vsync The 1024x768 65 mode uncommented above does work for 29 stations in one lab (as before), but no longer for all of our machines in our library (although it used to). The only setting that I can get to work now is: [lib03] XSERVER = auto # 60 Hz Resolutions X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" # Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m RUNLEVEL = 5 I just can't find any documentation on other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is probably the last place to look... The boxes in the library are ECS K7SEM mobos with pxe and integrated sis video. Used to work... Boy, I'm stumped and frustrated. Thanks again, Jim >So this is issue number two. The monitors that used to be 1024x768 using >K12LTSP 3.x are now 800x600 with 4.2. I've tried like crazy to get these >guys back up to their old resolution, but no luck. I figured that things >would be ok until I stumbled onto the solution at some time in the future, >but now students are already complaining. GIMP for example can't be made >to print because once students chose a printer from the print menu they >can't get to the bottom of the huge menu to click Print. My bet is you are really having a problem with the refresh rate and not really the resolution. I am guessing when you change to the higher resolution you are simultaneously switching to a refresh rate that is incompatible with your monitor. I don't know much on where to change this in X or exactly which file (hopefully someone else will pipe up with better knowledge on this), but figure out how to use vi and where the needed files are. Then change your runlevel to 3 (I think this will boot to command line), and play with your refresh rates until you find something that works. Then set the runlevel back to 5 (or whatever it was before messing with it). If this is with your clients try modifying lts.conf with different client specific refresh rates and restarting the client until things take off. I usually have started lower say at 60hz then moved up until failure (higher rate is usually easier on the eyes), and then stick with the last working setting. Good luck From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 5 17:59:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:59:48 -0600 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <200502050900.44901.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <1107626388.12002.38.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 07:55, Sharon Betts wrote: > Hi John, > I am very familiar with K12LTSP (running a pilot in one grade now). > However, I do not need all the programs that come with the package -- also > prefer to boot the terminals locally. My request here is for some bigger > thinking -- I wasn't very clear. Should I put a server in each building > (5) -- at each level or for specific applications? How many connections > can a server handle (remember I have 3000 users)? What is the best way > to handle authentication and/or DHCP? We do use Star Office (free to > education now) across the district as well as many other OS apps. First you need to decide whether you want to optimize for easy administration or bandwidth needs. If you already have a gig backbone everywhere you can ignore bandwidth - otherwise it will be a problem unless you pay attention to topology. Likewise if you distribute the servers so the bandwidth use is local you can make it difficult to manage. So, you'll probably end up making some compromises. Using a 2-NIC server per classroom/lab can be done with no bandwidth-scaling problems and inexpensive switches with 1 or 2 gig uplinks for the server connection. You can make this easier to manage with a central authentication server and a home directory server that all the classroom servers mount via NFS. This can be made more secure if you can arrange for a separate isolated subnet just for the server to server connections. With an authentication and home directory server, the local k12ltsp servers need nothing unique except their 'outside' IP address, so if you can get as much identical equipment as possible you can roll them out by copying the whole drives. If you get front-swap disk carriers and a few spare machines anyone can fix any problem with the local servers by swapping in a new drive or moving the old drives to one of the spare boxes (i.e. most of the things that people would use to justify needing to centralize the servers...) and you can do wholesale upgrades with the ability to back them out instantly by cloning drives and swapping them into the production servers. You need to apply the same reasoning to how much you centralize across buildings. You might compromise on central but replicated authentication with home directories local to buildings and a central backup mechanism (hey, another chance to plug backuppc...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 5 18:10:22 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:10:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <001901c50ba9$b3b32d90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <001901c50ba9$b3b32d90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <42050C0E.7010209@cmosnetworks.com> Steven Santos wrote: >>Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >>plans? >> >> > >Always welcome! > > > >>I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >>business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps and >>bounds as we work toward one-to-one). Presently I am using Active >>Directory (Windows -- ugh) for authentication, DHCP etc. Only have linux >>servers in the background (proxy, web server, etc.). I use mostly open >>source software although there are occassions where MS stuff is necessary. >> >> > > > >>We just began using terminal services (linux terminals attaching to >>Windows server) in a new building. I want to redesign the rest of the >>network to terminals. Of course the MS solution is cost prohibitive. >>What is my best mode of attack? We presently boot the terminals >>individually from flash memory. >> >> > >Lot of variables, so let me ask a few questions > >What specific services do you need to provide? (general computing, roaming >profiles, roaming profiles across buildings, email, printing, web, shared >folders, library, database access, etc) > >What kind of connection do you have between sites? > >Will these all be thin clients, or will this be a mixed mode install (thin, >thick, windows, mac) > >What kind of policies are in place that may effect this? > > >In an ideal world, with big fat pipes that never go down to each location, I >would say that you would want an LDAP server, a home server, backup server, >web server, email server, web filter/proxy and central print server in the >central office (or other suitable location), connected via WAN to the other >locations. You then have K12LTSP servers at each location to boot clients, >and provide most applications. You might want a number of application >servers for OO.o, Moz, programming, and what ever other high demand apps you >have at each location, plus a Windows TS for what ever win apps you have to >have. > >But the details of your situation will dictate what will and what will not >work. > > > I would add this: at least one slave LDAP server at each physical location. The reason for this is our own experience with the Windows Craptive Directory in our district. We now have collapsed our domain structure so that everyone authenticates to our pair of domain controllers at one facility. Therefore, folks are authenticating across the WAN, so when the WAN link goes down, nobody can authenticate. Cached credentials on the Windows workstations don't fix all the problems, either. This was back in the Windows NT Server 4.0 days as well and applies to any centralized authentication scheme. Sadly, WAN links do not respond well to, say, backhoes ripping the line to shreds, problems at your provider's end, your router either going Tango Uniform or getting misconfigured, etc. They can and at times do go down, so this should, whenever possible, be accounted for. LDAP authentication, being a centralized authentication scheme, operates the same way. If you have a slave LDAP server at each physical site, then people can still log in and, for example, hit the file server, fire up certain network apps local to the school, etc. On the LAN side, you'll want fiber runs between all of your wiring closets, and you'll want that fiber backbone to be running nothing less than Gigabit Ethernet. All client drops should be 100Mbps, capable of autonegotiating to 100M/FullDuplex. Pretty much everything made today and for at least the last five years is capable of this, so that won't be a issue. There are some new switches coming out whose client drops do 10/100/1000, which, while not necessary for client drops, doesn't hurt anything to have if the pricing is close enough to 10/100. I would also suggest switches that are capable of both 802.1q VLANs and GVRP. GVRP is a very, very nice thing to have unless you're using Cisco gear, which uses a proprietary version that they call VTP. We use VLANs for quite a few things in our district, and without something like GVRP or VTP, setting up all the VLAN info in all of our switches would simply be untenable. Make sure, therefore, that you get *full* GVRP support. You might consider going with TLS for your WAN links. Essentially, this is Ethernet across the WAN. We're using TLS in some parts of our network, and WAN bandwidth for TLS is about half to a third the price of, say, ATM links of the same speed. You can go as high as Gigabit links with TLS. Furthermore, if you go with TLS, you have a wider choice of router gear than just Cisco. You can use, say, an inexpensive OpenBSD or GNU/Linux box with two Ethernet cards for your router (doesn't have to be x86, but of course it can be). Either way, the boxes are cheap, and the Ethernet interfaces are cheap. By contrast, if you go with ATM or Frame Relay, you're going to pay through the nose for your WAN interface cards. We run ATM in my district, so I know. I strongly urge you to at least look at TLS. Speaking of WAN links and capacity, do *NOT* attempt to run LTSP itself across your WAN links! You *will* be sorry. What I mean here is, "don't fire up clients at one site trying to do X11 to a LTSP server at another site." Keep all that inside the school's LAN. Accessing file, print, or Web servers across WAN links? Fine. X11 across them? Nope. Hope this helps. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 5 18:15:54 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:15:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no C compiler in $Path In-Reply-To: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> Message-ID: <42050D5A.903@cmosnetworks.com> anthony baldwin wrote: > Hi, > I did install gcc, and it's in /usr/libexec/gcc, but when I just tried > to ./configure something (logjam, a livejournal client), > I got: > WARNING: no acceptable C compiler in $PATH > > I'm assuming I merely need to place gcc in my $path, but how do I do > that? > > tony Here's how: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/libexec/gcc You can type this at your command prompt. To automatically have it every time you log in, just open up your .bash_profile file in your home directory and add that path to the end. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 5 18:18:40 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:18:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no C compiler in $Path In-Reply-To: <42050D5A.903@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> <42050D5A.903@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <42050E00.2020701@cmosnetworks.com> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> Hi, >> I did install gcc, and it's in /usr/libexec/gcc, but when I just >> tried to ./configure something (logjam, a livejournal client), >> I got: >> WARNING: no acceptable C compiler in $PATH >> >> I'm assuming I merely need to place gcc in my $path, but how do I do >> that? >> >> tony > > > > Here's how: > > export PATH=$PATH:/usr/libexec/gcc > > You can type this at your command prompt. To automatically have it > every time you log in, just open up your .bash_profile file in your > home directory and add that path to the end. > > --TP Whoops, slight correction. It should be export path=$PATH:/usr/libexec That "gcc" shouldn't be at the end of the search path above. --TP -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From wescott at sc.rr.com Sat Feb 5 18:21:29 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 05 Feb 2005 13:21:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] while read do questionts In-Reply-To: <200502050101.j1511ns27806@downeast.net> References: <200502050101.j1511ns27806@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1107627688.13148.8.camel@eriadne> >>> ok coders: can you get me round this stupid brain-flattulence. >>> run 2000 users thru this piece of script and uid increments on >>> each pass.so at end of script uid otter be 2027 or summat.. >> In the script it is 2027 right up the script dies. When the process >> running the script dies that value dies with it and you're left with >> whatever it was set to before the script started. >> Variables, like uid or PATH, are not kept in some global area >> common to all of your processes. Instead they are local to each >> process, with the initial values inherited from the parent process. >> When a process, like a shell script, changes the value it does so >> for its own copy. To do what you want, you'll have to explicitly >> save the value somehow, say in a file. > yeah: i kinda thought as much..thanks for the comeback..this is > one piece of a much larger smblda script..chuck Even within a script you can see variable problems like this. Some constructs in a script can be made into subprocesses of the parent script, often when you don't expect it. From missive at hotmail.com Sat Feb 5 19:27:19 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:57:19 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. Message-ID: >So this is issue number two. The monitors that used to be 1024x768 using >K12LTSP 3.x are now 800x600 with 4.2. I've tried like crazy to get these >guys back up to their old resolution, but no luck. I figured that things >would be ok until I stumbled onto the solution at some time in the future, >but now students are already complaining. GIMP for example can't be made >to print because once students chose a printer from the print menu they >can't get to the bottom of the huge menu to click Print. One thing you can do is "grab" the windows by holding down the Alt key while clicking in the middle of the window. That way you can slide the window up far enough to see the Print button. I agree, though, that 1024x768 is a much more useful resolution if all of the hardware supports that. k12ltsp 3 did not use XFree-3 did it? Do you still have your k12ltsp-3 discs? Maybe you could look through and find the old X modelines that used to work. Barring that, you can google around for a 60Hz 1024x768 modeline and try that. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 5 19:41:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:41:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Message-ID: UBUNTU! Awesome distro.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Sat Feb 5 20:25:00 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:25:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] automating network-based backups In-Reply-To: <20050204224547.B64717320C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050204224547.B64717320C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050205202500.GA21929@socrates.mojo.home> I wrote most of this up for Steve, Art, and Josh after I did it on their servers, but after talking with Dave Trask today, I thought this might be useful for a wider audience. I'm including the document here, but it is also available at http://majen.net/docs/network-backups.txt I hope it's useful for someone. --matt From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Feb 5 20:56:01 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:56:01 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design Message-ID: <200502051556.01186.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> I think this was meant for the k12osn list as well. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design Date: Saturday 05 February 2005 09:04 From: cliebow at downeast.net To: jhansknecht at hanstech.com so you have a firewall in each school..not fiberoptic??here we are under one firewall..i have some terminals set up so they will do regular ltsp on ctrl-alt-f1 rdesktop on ctrl-alt-f2 and nx on ctrl-alt-f3..with gideons new work you couuld even put extra nx sessions to diffeent servers..with maybe a common file ldap and print server?? the big question is how segmented are you.. we run six schools thru one firewall via fiberoptic and segregate the networks so winblows viruses dont pass thru with a managed switch..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ ------------------------------------------------------- -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 5 21:58:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:58:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] bondi's ALIVE In-Reply-To: <200502051322.j15DMrA14299@downeast.net> References: <200502051322.j15DMrA14299@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050205215758.M58637@winonacotter.org> > Jim: for whatever reasonmy "rosemarys baby" bondi machine came to > life yesterday without changing one darn thing..must have been > pounding it against the floor a couple times that made the difference...chuck Cool! Sometimes a good right hook does the trick as well :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sbetts at msad71.net Sat Feb 5 22:03:07 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:03:07 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <200502051556.01186.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200502051556.01186.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, No, I have Windows servers at each site -- but they all go out to the net through ONE firewall -- the lans are segretated (Iike yours). I have a WAN connecting each site to the main location through dedicated T1s. My question is how would you setup to move toward terminal services across the district? You are using nx? and what type of teminals? are you running any Windows terminal servers with linux terminal servers? how do you do your authentication? We played with nx, but found it didn't do well enough on some of the Windows programs with sound and graphics (this was about a year ago, though). How many users can you realistically expect to put on one linux terminal server? Sharon >so you have a firewall in each school..not fiberoptic??here we are under >one firewall..i have some terminals set up so they will do regular ltsp on >ctrl-alt-f1 rdesktop on ctrl-alt-f2 and nx on ctrl-alt-f3..with gideons >new work you couuld even put extra nx sessions to diffeent servers..with >maybe a common file ldap and print server?? >the big question is how segmented are you.. >we run six schools thru one firewall via fiberoptic and segregate the >networks so winblows viruses dont pass thru with a managed >switch..chuck From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 5 22:11:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:11:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I need help to fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050205220029.M25025@winonacotter.org> > Here's something I've found....it may be nothing...or it may be > everything.... > > when I run getent passwd on my current functioning Samba/LDAP > server (production box...pre smbldap-installer) I get ... > > Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/:/bin/false > > Where as on a machine I just set up with smbldap-installer....I get... > > Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain > Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false > > Note the difference in "home". Are you guys seeing this? I'm having > issue running programs like gedit as it wants to write to > /home/Administrator, but it isn't there. I wonder if this is > contributing? I don't have much time over the weekend but I'll check it out first thing Monday. But I think your on to something with the home. I noticed that after running the script, when I rebooted for the first time, I recieved an error when logging onto the server as root. The message said that it couldn't find the home directory /home/Administrator. I found that it was odd that it was looking for a home directory of Administrator when I logged in as root and I never set up an Administrator user. So I figured the script must have modified the root user into Administrator. Then I logged in with a standard user, did su and created a /home/Administrator folder and chmod and chown so it matched the privs of /root. Then copied all files and folders from /root to /home/Administrator. Then logged out and back in as root and the problems were solved. Not sure what all that means but maybe it will give you a clue as to what is happening with the home folders and permissions. I just ssh'ed to my test box and here is the result of getent passwd for Administrator: Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sbetts at msad71.net Sat Feb 5 22:20:29 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:20:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <42050C0E.7010209@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001901c50ba9$b3b32d90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> <42050C0E.7010209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 1:10 PM +0000 wrote: Thanks for the input so far -- I will try to elaborate: > >>What specific services do you need to provide? (general computing, >roaming >>profiles, roaming profiles across buildings, email, printing, web, shared >>folders, library, database access, etc) I need to provide general computing, roaming profiles within each LAN, printing, web, etc. These are all within LANS. OTher services (SIS etc.) are via web. > >>What kind of connection do you have between sites? T1s > >>Will these all be thin clients, or will this be a mixed mode install >(thin, >>thick, windows, mac) Mixed > >>What kind of policies are in place that may effect this? None >>In an ideal world, with big fat pipes that never go down to each >location, I >>would say that you would want an LDAP server, a home server, backup >server, >>web server, email server, web filter/proxy and central print server in >the >>central office (or other suitable location), connected via WAN to the >other >>locations. You then have K12LTSP servers at each location to boot >clients, >>and provide most applications. You might want a number of application >>servers for OO.o, Moz, programming, and what ever other high demand apps >you >>have at each location, plus a Windows TS for what ever win apps you have >to >>have. How easy is it to combine the Windows TS? > > >I would add this: at least one slave LDAP server at each physical >location. The reason for this is our own experience with the Windows >Craptive Directory in our district. We now have collapsed our domain >structure so that everyone authenticates to our pair of domain >controllers at one facility. This is something we have considered.But had the fears you wrote about below. > Therefore, folks are authenticating across >the WAN, so when the WAN link goes down, nobody can authenticate. >Cached credentials on the Windows workstations don't fix all the >problems, either. This was back in the Windows NT Server 4.0 days as >well and applies to any centralized authentication scheme. Sadly, WAN >links do not respond well to, say, backhoes ripping the line to shreds, >problems at your provider's end, your router either going Tango Uniform >or getting misconfigured, etc. They can and at times do go down, so >this should, whenever possible, be accounted for. > >LDAP authentication, being a centralized authentication scheme, operates >the same way. If you have a slave LDAP server at each physical site, >then people can still log in and, for example, hit the file server, fire >up certain network apps local to the school, etc. Maybe this is a start to our solution. > >On the LAN side, you'll want fiber runs between all of your wiring >closets, and you'll want that fiber backbone to be running nothing less >than Gigabit Ethernet. All client drops should be 100Mbps, capable of >autonegotiating to 100M/FullDuplex. Pretty much everything made today >and for at least the last five years is capable of this, so that won't >be a issue. There are some new switches coming out whose client drops >do 10/100/1000, which, while not necessary for client drops, doesn't >hurt anything to have if the pricing is close enough to 10/100. We are nearing this level -- still have one school pretty "old". > >I would also suggest switches that are capable of both 802.1q VLANs and >GVRP. GVRP is a very, very nice thing to have unless you're using Cisco >gear, which uses a proprietary version that they call VTP. We use VLANs >for quite a few things in our district, and without something like GVRP >or VTP, setting up all the VLAN info in all of our switches would simply >be untenable. Make sure, therefore, that you get *full* GVRP support. Yep. > >You might consider going with TLS for your WAN links. Essentially, this >is Ethernet across the WAN. We're using TLS in some parts of our >network, and WAN bandwidth for TLS is about half to a third the price >of, say, ATM links of the same speed. You can go as high as Gigabit >links with TLS. Furthermore, if you go with TLS, you have a wider >choice of router gear than just Cisco. You can use, say, an inexpensive >OpenBSD or GNU/Linux box with two Ethernet cards for your router >(doesn't have to be x86, but of course it can be). Either way, the >boxes are cheap, and the Ethernet interfaces are cheap. By contrast, if >you go with ATM or Frame Relay, you're going to pay through the nose for >your WAN interface cards. We run ATM in my district, so I know. I >strongly urge you to at least look at TLS. >Speaking of WAN links and capacity, do *NOT* attempt to run LTSP itself >across your WAN links! You *will* be sorry. What I mean here is, >"don't fire up clients at one site trying to do X11 to a LTSP server at >another site." Keep all that inside the school's LAN. Accessing file, >print, or Web servers across WAN links? Fine. X11 across them? Nope. This we knew. This is great - thanks. Any other suggestions? Sharon From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 5 22:38:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:38:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050205222432.M85009@winonacotter.org> > Thanks for looking at my X troubles. I just can't find any > documentation on other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is > probably the last place to look... I have tried all of the x_modes > below found in the lts.conf file: > [lib03] > XSERVER = auto > # 60 Hz Resolutions > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync Are all of the monitors that don't work the same brand and model? If so what is is? Maybe you could lookup the monitors and find supported resolutions with refresh rates. Then chase down the proper settings. You don't by any chance have a backup of the old setup lying around that you could pull the lts.conf from and see what things were set to before do you? Maybe you could build a quick test machine with 3.1.2 if not and boot one of the troublesome clients from it to be sure things are working, then grab the lts.conf from the working 3.1.2 system and try it in your 4.2 box. Here is a link I found in the archives for some other settings to try: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 5 22:43:39 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:43:39 GMT Subject: Fwd: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] network design Message-ID: <200502052145.j15Lj7A04379@downeast.net> > Hi Chuck, > > No, I have Windows servers at each site -- but they all go out to the net > through ONE firewall -- the lans are segretated (Iike yours). I have a > WAN connecting each site to the main location through dedicated T1s. My > question is how would you setup to move toward terminal services across > the district? i have nx usong gideom romms ltsp additons..i have not looked at sound at all..The clients are whatever wreckage wont run win 2000..all ltsp servers auth via winbind to ad..but moving to ldap this summer..i wrote a script that splits up users into staff and wtudents then by school then by year on a testbox rjune has some fiures on the wiki but it comes down to ram..256 for the server and 50 meg per client for a working number.chuck > You are using nx? and what type of teminals? are you running any > Windows terminal servers with linux terminal servers? how do you do your > authentication? We played with nx, but found it didn't do well enough on > some of the Windows programs with sound and graphics (this was about a > year ago, though). > How many users can you realistically expect to put on one linux terminal > server? > Sharon > > >so you have a firewall in each school..not fiberoptic??here we are under > >one firewall..i have some terminals set up so they will do regular ltsp on > >ctrl-alt-f1 rdesktop on ctrl-alt-f2 and nx on ctrl-alt-f3..with gideons > >new work you couuld even put extra nx sessions to diffeent servers..with > >maybe a common file ldap and print server?? > >the big question is how segmented are you.. > >we run six schools thru one firewall via fiberoptic and segregate the > >networks so winblows viruses dont pass thru with a managed > >switch..chuck > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Sat Feb 5 22:50:04 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:50:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: automating network-based backups (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20050205224305.BCFC2740CE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050205224305.BCFC2740CE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050205225004.GA23638@socrates.mojo.home> > I wrote most of this up for Steve, Art, and Josh after I did it on > their servers, but after talking with Dave Trask today, I thought this > might be useful for a wider audience. > > I'm including the document here, but it is also available at > http://majen.net/docs/network-backups.txt > > I hope it's useful for someone. Or, perhaps I *wasn't* including the document there... *blush* --matt --------------------------------------------------- How-To automate network based backups between two Linux systems http://majen.net/docs/network-backups.txt This document explains how to set up automated backups of any amount of data (for example, only /home, or even the whole system if you want) from one Linux system to another one. This document will refer to "system1" and "system2". You should substitute names/IP addresses of systems on your own network accordingly. 1. Create a passwordless public/private ssh key pair: on system1: $ cd .ssh $ ssh-keygen -t dsa -f to_system2 ==> Just hit return when it asks for a password/passphrase - you don't want one, or you want a blank one. Whatever. ==> The key name I used, "to_system2", is only a convention I like. You can use any naming scheme that suits you. $ scp to_system2.pub root at system2:.ssh/ on system2: $ cd .ssh $ echo \# to_system2.pub, for copying files to here from system1 >> authorized_keys $ cat to_system2.pub >> authorized_keys ==> 'man sshd' and search for "AUTHORIZED_KEYS" for details on system1: $ ssh -i ~/.ssh/to_system2 system2 ==> If this doesn't log you in without a password, you've got a problem and you need to figure it out before proceeding. ==> 'man sshd' (and search for "AUTHORIZED_KEYS") ==> 'man sshd_config' ==> 'man ssh' on system1: $ crontab -e ==> Enter the date/time when you want your backup to start. ==> Enter the command you want to run to do your backup. ==> Either 'rsync -a -e ssh' or 'tar ... | ssh' can work. ==> See 'man 5 crontab' for the file format. ==> Here is an example from ltsp.gbecs.org: #################################################### 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/rsync -avz -e "ssh -i /root/.ssh/gbecs_backup" --delete --exclude=/proc --exclude=/export --exclude=/backup --exclude=/sys / apps:/backup/ltsp/ 2>&1 >> /backup/ltsp.log #################################################### Explanation: - 0 0 * * *: This tells the cron daemon to start this job at midnight every day. - We're running the rsync command with -a (archive), -v (verbose), -z (zip), and -e (which we tell to connect via ssh, using the private key /root/.ssh/gbecs_backup). - We tell rsync to --delete any files on the destination that don't exist on the source. - We tell rsync NOT to copy anything from /proc, /export, /backup, or /sys on the source. (/proc and /sys are runtime filesystems that you don't need to back up, and they'll complain if you try to copy them, anyway. On our example system, /export and /backup have things being automatically copied into them from cron-jobs just like this one, and you don't want stuff copied by cron to be copied by cron to be copied by cron to be copied by cron...) - We tell rsync to copy everything from / on the local system (the SOURCE) to /backup/ltsp/ on 'apps' (the DESTINATION). - We tell the shell (bash, which executes our cron commands) to redirect the stderr (Standard Error) output into stdout (Standard Output), and we >> (append) that output to /backup/ltsp.log on the local system. - The End. ==> Here is almost the same thing (but without an equivalent to "--delete"), using 'tar' instead of 'rsync': #################################################### 0 0 * * * /bin/tar -czf - --exclude=/proc --exclude=/export --exclude=/backup --exclude=/sys / 2>> /backup/ltsp.log | ssh -i /root/.ssh/gbecs_backup apps "cd /backup/ltsp/; tar -xzvf - >> /backup/ltsp.log 2>&1" #################################################### - We're telling the 'tar' command to create an archive (-c), zip that archive (-z), and put the archive in the file (-f) "-". The single hyphen is a special "filename" that means "Standard Output", i.e., print the archive to the screen. (Try running "tar cf - /tmp/" in a fresh terminal and see what happens. When it's done, type 'reset' and hit return. :) - BUT, instead of printing that output to the screen, we're piping that output into an ssh process which we're telling to connect to the machine named 'apps', using the private key gbecs_backup. - Any errors printed by 'tar' on the SOURCE system will be appended (">>") to the file /backup/ltsp.log in the SOURCE system. - After the ssh process connects, it will run the command that starts with 'cd'. - It will Change Directory into /backup/ltsp/ on the remote system. - It will start the 'tar' command. - 'tar' will eXtract (-x) the input, unZip (-z) the input, Verbosely print information about the input (-v), and listen for input from Standard Input. (In the eXtraction context, the special "filename" denoted by the single hyphen tells tar to listent to Standard Input, just as in the archive Creation context the same single hyphen told tar to output to Standard Output.) - Anything printed by the DESTINATION 'tar' command to Standard Error will be appended (">>") to the file /backup/ltsp.log on the DESTINATION system ("apps"). - Note that if you've never logged into system2 from system1 before, ssh will want you to type in that "yes", the remote system's key is ok. If you don't do that before the cron job tries to run, the login will fail and no backup will happen. Misc. Sorta-Related Goodies: - The 'dd' command reads and write binary data. So imagine that you have a CD (Fedora Core 3 disc 1) in your CDROM drive, and you would like to copy its ISO to your Linux fileserver, which is named "moochie". You could do this slick little command: $ dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=1M | ssh root at moochie "cd /export/isos/; dd of=fedora-core-3-cd1.iso" - Or maybe you'd like to copy all the files from a CD onto your fileserver, maybe so you can do NFS installs. But you don't have the disc burned, you only have the ISO... $ mkdir /mnt/tmp $ mkdir /export/fc3/ $ mount -t iso9660 -oloop /export/isos/fc3/cd1.iso /mnt/tmp $ rsync -avu /mnt/tmp/ /export/fc3 $Id: network-backups.txt,v 1.2 2005/02/05 20:21:10 moquist Exp moquist $ From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Feb 6 04:02:33 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:32:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: automating network-based backups (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20050205225004.GA23638@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050205224305.BCFC2740CE@hormel.redhat.com> <20050205225004.GA23638@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <1107662553.12078.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 04:20, Matt Oquist wrote: [SNIP] > ==> Here is an example from ltsp.gbecs.org: > #################################################### > 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/rsync -avz -e "ssh -i /root/.ssh/gbecs_backup" --delete --exclude=/proc --exclude=/export --exclude=/backup --exclude=/sys / apps:/backup/ltsp/ 2>&1 >> /backup/ltsp.log > #################################################### > Explanation: > - 0 0 * * *: This tells the cron daemon to start this job at midnight every day. > - We're running the rsync command with -a (archive), -v (verbose), -z (zip), > and -e (which we tell to connect via ssh, using the private key > /root/.ssh/gbecs_backup). > - We tell rsync to --delete any files on the destination that don't exist on the source. I like to add update option as well so that in case the file on target system has update flag latr than the source system then the file on target is not overwritten. Of course this is true only if there is a user (or a set of them) who log in at both systems. We run this every hour so that if user shifts from one system to other he will find his files in the /home. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sun Feb 6 04:25:35 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:25:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java In-Reply-To: <4203B397.3030209@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4203B397.3030209@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <42059C3F.9@comcast.net> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I recently managed to get Internet Explorer 6 working using WINE and > WineTools, but I can't seem to get Java working with it. I'm getting a > message saying that there's not enough memory to install the Java > Virtual Machine. We need to use this for some online testing, and I'm > hoping to be able to use our thin-client labs. Any (constructive) > thoughts are welcome. (No "Microsoft is evil" stuff, please.) > Why, in the name of God, would you ever run that insecure POS on a Linux system? Seriously. Just get Firefox working before someone hacks your system. From robark at telus.net Sun Feb 6 05:46:39 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:46:39 -0800 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Anyone upgrade OOo from 1.02 -> 1.1.x ? In-Reply-To: <200502050905.03344.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <42044209.6060706@telus.net> <200502050905.03344.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <4205AF3F.3050406@telus.net> John Hansknecht wrote: >On Friday 04 February 2005 22:48, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >>I want to upgrade OOo 1.02 in our 3.1.2 (RH9) server to 1.1.4 >>Wondering if anyone has done the >> >>#./setup -net >> >>and chosen update from 1.02. The docs say it can but I'm wondering if I >>need to log into every user and run setup and chose Workstation install? >>If I leave it to the the kids they may chose local install and fill up >>the home partition with OOo installations. Has anyone upgraded without >>this hassle. Plus what about new users added later? Do you have to run >>OOo before you give out an account? >> >> > >I have seen discussions on this list regarding updating with a method to keep >the redhat script that handles the workstation install working but I have not >been able to get it to work. Here are my notes, if you search the k12osn list >on 'Terrell Prude' you should be able to find his original notes. > >"Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of >.sversionrc and tweaked /usr/bin/ooffice. Here are the files >post-editing. I included the original /usr/bin/ooffice as "ooffice.bak" >for those who want to diff against the original (recommended). >Terrell Prude', Jr. > >I am indeed leaving the original RPMs on there. It doesn't hurt >anything at all to do so, and it gives you an easy way to roll back to a >"known good working" version, just in case. > >I'm putting the new version of OO.o in a new directory; I happen to like >/usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1. Then I'm updating the ooffice and >.sversionrc files. The .sversionrc file gets a new line in it to >reflect the new version's presence. That's about it. > > Thanks for the reply John but I don't see any files (.sversionrc or ooffice) >"Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of There are no attachments and no link. If you could email it to me personally or type the link for others to see as well, that would be great. I have a feeling you used html in your message but your email client sent everything as plain text. It's happened to me before. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at telus.net Sun Feb 6 06:14:19 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:14:19 -0800 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Anyone upgrade OOo from 1.02 -> 1.1.x ? In-Reply-To: <4205AF3F.3050406@telus.net> References: <42044209.6060706@telus.net> <200502050905.03344.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <4205AF3F.3050406@telus.net> Message-ID: <4205B5BB.10701@telus.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Thanks for the reply John but I don't see any files (.sversionrc or > ooffice) > > >"Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of > > There are no attachments and no link. If you could email it to me > personally or type the link for others to see as well, that would be > great. > I have a feeling you used html in your message but your email client > sent everything as plain text. It's happened to me before. > Please disregard my previous post above. I found it here http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg01170.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sun Feb 6 06:24:38 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:24:38 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Message-ID: <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Sharon Betts wrote: >Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >plans? > >I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps and > > LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that in mind. My idea for a design would to create LTSP Nodes ie (Ltsp-mosix + 2 cpu (64 bit) +4G ram + switch (32 x (10/100) + 1x 1000) Mbps ports These server would located in the wiring closest with rack mounted 2U servers with a 32 10/100/1000 switch for 32 clients. the server would connect back via gigabit to a centrally sited say (e-smith-mosix) server with large SCSI raid fast single cpu 4G ram and tape backup or dual layer DVD rewriter ..this would do your domain /homes /ldap-/samba and mail, squidguard etc... because the Nodes are identical and modular management and replacement in the event of failure would be straightforward. ideally your clients would all be the same... say 17"LCD with built in Amd Geodes with 64M Ram nice and tidy. I your main office you would have another e-smith server identical the the school ones (for simplicity) you would setup management (e-smith server-manger etc ) rsync critical stuff... sit back and admire your empire... now all you need is to fill in the blanks Eric is trialling 64 bit ltsp..... throw in mosix?? excellent.. throw in working LDAP authentication e-smith has excelent design and is rock solid .. cheers From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 06:55:20 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:55:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] automating network-based backups In-Reply-To: <20050205202500.GA21929@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050204224547.B64717320C@hormel.redhat.com> <20050205202500.GA21929@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <9bd3175605020522554eb2749d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, I'll definitely try that. Does the crontab get saved somewhere? I'm looking for this to happen automatically after a reboot. Do I need an executable file that runs at startup? -Peter On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:25:00 -0500, Matt Oquist wrote: > I wrote most of this up for Steve, Art, and Josh after I did it on > their servers, but after talking with Dave Trask today, I thought this > might be useful for a wider audience. > > I'm including the document here, but it is also available at > http://majen.net/docs/network-backups.txt > > I hope it's useful for someone. > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Feb 6 10:30:45 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:30:45 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] add user References: <1107573973.42043cd5e89ee@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <007701c50c36$ea8996a0$6cc8a8c0@brianhome> Take a look at the smbldap-useradd-bulk script if you've used the smbldap-installer script. Also watch the thread I started about the customised script Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:26 AM Subject: [K12OSN] add user > > > have my Samba LDAP sandbox working (thanks for the help from the fine people of > K12osn list serv) but know I need to add 3000 users to my server. > > My questions is what are you guys using to add users to your LDAP servers? > > > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Feb 6 10:45:40 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:45:40 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) References: <20050204153514.BD3E97367C@hormel.redhat.com> <20050204164243.GA17141@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <00d501c50c39$0083e440$6cc8a8c0@brianhome> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Oquist" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) > > From: "Brian Chivers" > > Subject: [K12OSN] Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script (quite long) > > > I've been looking at the smbldap-useradd-bulk script for the creation > > ofusers and it almost fits the bill except for one thing, we use a > > differenthome directories depending of what tutor group the student is in. > > So forexample we have > > > > /home_student/tutorgroups/101/e000000 > > > > where e000000 is the students unique enrollment number. > > > > I've altered the bulk script to read a userinfo.start file that looks like > > this > > > > firstname,surname,username3,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > > firstname,surname,username4,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > > firstname,surname,username5,513,/bin/false,/home_student/tutorgroup/,101 > > > > and the resulting username.finish looks like this > > > > ################################# > > Fri Feb 4 15:19:00 2005 > > > > firstname,surname,username3,513,coo22gra > > firstname,surname,username4,513,get25hoi > > firstname,surname,username5,513,naw44not > > > > This allows me to specify the users default shell (which is different to > > staff users) and home directory > > Good idea, Brian. I didn't think of letting folks customize their > users' home directories or shells, and the script should make those > possible -- but not required. > > I think you modified the script correctly, but we should try to figure > out what the best way to handle this problem is. That is, it would be > best to have one version of the script that is consistently updated > rather than multiple versions that need to be kept in sync, and we > need to make that One Version ("to rule them all...") work as well as > possible for as many people as possible - including folks who want to > specify alternate shells and custom home directory schemes. > > I propose that we add two new fields to the input to > smbldap-useradd-bulk: "home" and "shell". > > Input would look like this: > > firstname,surname,username,[GID,shell,home-directory,password] > > Note that the last four fields are [optional], and any of them can be > specified apart from the others as long as a blank is left for any > internal field. > > For example, the following specifies a shell but no GID: > > firstname,surname,username,,shell > And here, a password but no other optional field: > > firstname,surname,username,,,,password > > Output from the script would look like this: > > firstname,surname,username3,GID,shell,home-directory,password > > So for you, Brian, an example input line would look like this: > firstname,surname,username,GID,/bin/false,/home_students/tutorgroup/101/ > > I think this is reasonable because by the time you've got students > divided into tutoring groups, you've got to enter the data one way or > another. If we simply add generic fields such as "home" and "shell" > to the smbldap-useradd-bulk script, you can create those home > directory paths in your input with your custom information, rather > than forcing everyone who uses smbldap-useradd-bulk to have a "tutor" > field, which almost no one else will use. > > The combination of create-usernames and smbldap-useradd-bulk (and the > 'make' command) will continue to work fine after these changes. > > Please let me know if anyone has any objections to these changes being > made. Assuming this works for everyone, I'll plan to make these > changes to smbldap-useradd-bulk and release another version soon -- > hopefully this weekend. > > Maybe we can nail the roaming profiles problem simultaneously...? > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Sounds good to me. I don't think there is much else in the smbldap-useradd command options that users would want to alter. I like the idea of having optional fields as people can always slightly customise the "makefile" to alter the import to the standard. I haven't come across the roaming prfiles issue yet as my sandbox machine has only jusr reached the point of adding a Win2K client. I have roaming profiles working on our existing Samba 2.2.3a server so I guess the next task is to copy the profiles over and try to migrate the existing user accounts (see next post *grin*) Thanks for the swift reply. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Feb 6 10:49:55 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:49:55 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating users from a Samba 2.2.3a / smbpasswd domain to a new Samba3 / LDAP domain Message-ID: <00dc01c50c39$98503670$6cc8a8c0@brianhome> I have an existing Samba 2x domain with serveral hundred machines & several thousand users information that I'd like to migrate onto a sandbox Samba 3 / LDAP domain for testing. I have read in the Samba3 by example book about migrating a NT4 domain to Samba 3 using the "vampire" command, do you think this would work for a Samba 2x domain as it is acting like one? I realise I'd have to copy over all the roaming profiles but this isn't much of an issue as most of the students one's only contain "Favourites" and it's only the staff one's I need to worry about. Thanks Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sbetts at msad71.net Sun Feb 6 13:56:22 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:56:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: < > < > < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: Thanks so much to Paul -- that is exactly what I was looking for -- what you experienced folk would do with my district situation. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From ed at edplese.com Sun Feb 6 15:33:23 2005 From: ed at edplese.com (Ed Plese) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:33:23 -0600 Subject: power consumption - was RE: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020207232f8bcdf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050206153323.GA26323@orion.universe> On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:23:30AM -0500, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > Would it be possible to simply disconnect 3/4 of the power supplies > and run them off of the remaining powersupplies? > A few feet of wires would do the trick. I don't think this is possible, at least not with ATX and newer power supplies. You may be able to get this working with old PCs that use AT power supplies. The ATX spec adds not only a 3.3V wire, but also a wire to remotely sense the voltage of the 3.3V wire at the motherboard. The remote voltage sensing is used to compensate for the voltage drop across the 3.3V wire from the power supply to the motherboard due to the high current (amps) flowing through it. The main problem you'll run into is that you can't split up the wire that's used for remote voltage sensing for the 3.3V wire. It's the equivalent to simultaneously connecting a 9V battery and a 1.5V battery to a voltmeter and trying to independently read their voltages. My guess would be that if you do just splice the wires together, you'll end up frying one of the motherboards because it will be fed too much voltage on the 3.3V wire. You can probably do this with old AT power supplies because all of their pins are strictly outputs that can be spliced together. Ed From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 6 17:37:05 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:37:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> Paul Satherley wrote: > Sharon Betts wrote: > >> Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >> plans? >> >> I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >> business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps >> and >> >> > LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with > that in mind. > That depends on what desktop you have people using, which apps they're expected to run, etc. For either GNOME or KDE with OpenOffice.org and Firefox/Thunderbird (or traditional Mozilla), I'd say between 30 and 40 thin clients is the max. My dual-proc server with 4GB DRAM handles 25 today and has enough room for another roughly 15 before swapping starts taking place. My kids run their choice of GNOME or KDE. On the other hand, if you have the users running, say, IceWM or XFce, you could probably put more than 40 users on. If you're talking apps with few screen updates like OO.o and Moz/Firefox/Tbird, go for it. If you have a bunch of people running, say, TuxType, which is known for large amounts of screen updates, then network bandwidth becomes the bottleneck. Even a Gig-E card can keep up with only 14 people playing TuxType at 1024x768x24bit. That number may rise at lower resolutions; I would expect it to. In the TuxType situation, you'd want to use two Gig-E NICs in your server, ganged together in what Cisco parlance calls an "EtherChannel" (I think the official term is "multilink"). Then you can get as many as 28 TuxType users. --TP From les at futuresource.com Sun Feb 6 18:47:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:47:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: < > < > < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <1107715669.24811.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 07:56, Sharon Betts wrote: > Thanks so much to Paul -- that is exactly what I was looking for -- what > you experienced folk would do with my district situation. I think the 30ish clients per dedicated server is what is actually working and the mosix part was more of a wishlist item. I don't think anyone has mosix working well with apps like openoffice yet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Sun Feb 6 18:27:49 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:27:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Customised smbldap-useradd-bulk script In-Reply-To: <20050206170015.6DF87746A7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050206170015.6DF87746A7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050206182749.GA2785@socrates.mojo.home> Version 1.2-beta of the smbldap-installer script is available at http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-beta.tgz This version has been updated to include "shell" and "home" fields in the input to smbldap-useradd bulk. This means that you can use userinfo.start and 'make' to create users just as you could previously, but if you wish you can also manipulate the input for smbldap-useradd-bulk yourself. For example, you could use create-usernames to create your usernames, and then use a spreadsheet (or whatever else) to add customized home directories and/or shells. Then you could give that input to smbldap-useradd-bulk to create your users on the system. Both create-usernames and smbldap-useradd-bulk have inline documentation: $ create-usernames --help $ smbldap-useradd-bulk --help And, as always, you can look in the Makefile to see how it's using the two scripts. This is a beta version because: 1. the roving profiles problem we've been discussing is not solved 2. the included Samba-LDAP_smbldap-installer document is not updated to reflect the changes to smbldap-useradd-bulk 3. it has not undergone full testing Please let me know if these changes are the "right changes", and of course let me know about all the bugs you find. :) --matt From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sun Feb 6 19:00:40 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:00:40 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: < > < > < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <42066958.8000101@tclcommunications.co.nz> That's the theory (wish list) my main point is that the number of clients per server would be ideally match the switch port modularity say 24, 32 or 48 ports for standardization on modular approach and move those servers out to the appropriate wiring frames...If space is an issue and it will be ,, there are some nice Small form factor on the market..? As the total number of clients reaches 1000's I would be aiming to make life easy for my-self with a modular approach to the practical stuff and with (64bit, mosix - wish list) to keep unused cpu's busy. cheers From sbetts at msad71.net Sun Feb 6 19:37:03 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:37:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> References: < > < > < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > < > <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 12:37 PM +0000 wrote: >That depends on what desktop you have people using, which apps they're >expected to run, etc. For either GNOME or KDE with OpenOffice.org and >Firefox/Thunderbird (or traditional Mozilla), I'd say between 30 and 40 >thin clients is the max. My dual-proc server with 4GB DRAM handles 25 >today and has enough room for another roughly 15 before swapping starts >taking place. My kids run their choice of GNOME or KDE. We are presently running KDE / Mozilla (both locally on the flash memory card) and Star Office from the server. We are trying to move away form those high bandwidth apps by using many more web-based programs and sites. starfall, atoz, MarcoPolo, Type2Learn etc. We will need to run GIMP, cMap and Scribus from the server as well. Sharon From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Feb 6 20:52:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:52:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for looking at my X troubles. I just can't find any documentation on > other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is probably the last place to > look... I have tried all of the x_modes below found in the lts.conf file: Most, if not all, options for lts.conf can be found in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme If you really get stuck, one quick fix would be to try the older X drivers: XSERVER = XF86_SVGA -Eric From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sun Feb 6 20:54:51 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:54:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502062045.j16KjOY29784@www.mi-spot.com> I'm not sure who sent this, but I would like to give you a big thank you. I've had my K12LTSP network up and running for about 5 months now. I've been reading up on sound, and been working on it for all 5 months. I've tried many things with limited success. Your instructions finally got Flash making all kinds of noise on my machines. Thank you, Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of k12ltsp Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:35 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working Hey, I was asked to post how I got sound working here and I apologize I forgot to respond! Anyhow, here's my experience with sound. I prefer ESD over NASD. NASD however is easier to use on FC2 because you don't have to make any changes to the accounts and it works right off in ICEWM. However, NASD on my older terminals keeps breaking up, plays slowly and pauses the flash animtion on the terminal as the audio stops. Not impressive. I would guestimate that NASD would work on terminals over 200 MHz. ESD however works flawlessly for me on terminals as slow as 100 MHz. Again, this is the experience here in hermon, and we use FC2, so I don't know if this applies on the newest iteration of LTSP. How I got ESD to work on the terminals: Simple, just go to preferences, more preferences, and choose "Multimedia Systems Selector."Select ESD and presuming you have a compatible sound card, you can click on test and should hear a tone! The basic games such as Gcompris, Tuxtype, Tuxpaint, etc.. will work in this environment. HOWEVER, Mozilla flash will not without the following commands: ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 (Mozilla looks for libesd.so.0) Then: cd /tmp mkdir .esd cd .esd touch socket cd .. chmod -R a+rwx .esd/ An EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com Just visit the site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This website is a great place to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. As for audio cards.. I have not been successfullin getting my SB compatible sound card to operate. I did however find a card that will work: http://xiertekusa.com/product.php?pid=132&xcSID=2aeee5a792f10a91d9fe7908bbe8 1f26 It costs only 9 bucks per card, but is hard to get since it's no longer produced! I'd like to ask the LSTP community is anyone can recommend a sound card they know works right off without modication, like the one above. (I think that sound blaster card is recognized as a Ensoniq card when the terminal boots) If you know a good source to get a working sound card, I'd like to order a bulk of the cards for the terminals in our elementary school! Thank you all! Have a good day! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 01:08:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:08:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: < > < > < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> < > <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> < > <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, February 6, 2005 at 1:24 AM +0000 wrote: >LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that >in mind. > >My idea for a design would to create LTSP Nodes ie (Ltsp-mosix + 2 cpu >(64 bit) +4G ram + switch (32 x (10/100) + 1x 1000) Mbps ports >These server would located in the wiring closest with rack mounted 2U >servers with a 32 10/100/1000 switch for 32 clients. > >the server would connect back via gigabit to a centrally sited say >(e-smith-mosix) server with large SCSI raid fast single cpu 4G ram >and tape backup or dual layer DVD rewriter ..this would do your domain >/homes /ldap-/samba and mail, squidguard etc... >because the Nodes are identical and modular management and replacement >in the event of failure would be straightforward. > >ideally your clients would all be the same... say 17"LCD with built in >Amd Geodes with 64M Ram nice and tidy. > >I your main office you would have another e-smith server identical the >the school ones (for simplicity) >you would setup management (e-smith server-manger etc ) rsync critical >stuff... sit back and admire your empire... > >now all you need is to fill in the blanks >Eric is trialling 64 bit ltsp..... throw in mosix?? excellent.. >throw in working LDAP authentication >e-smith has excelent design and is rock solid >.. >cheers Paul, You speak as if you have E-Smith mosix running or at least LDAP authentication working via E-Smith....is any of this true? I am a big E-Smith/SME aficionado....have several servers....I've always wanted to have E-Smith be the central point of authentication for K12LTSP and Windows. I can do this with my current Samba/LDAP setup, but an E-Smith set up would rock! Fill me in if you have this running. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 7 02:43:24 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:43:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] network design Message-ID: <200502070144.j171iiK10759@downeast.net> ithink it is a reaaly bad idea to have firewall and authentication on same box..judging by the breakin we had at cavehill friday i see at best denial of service abd at worst a complete breach..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, February 6, 2005 at 1:24 AM +0000 wrote: > >LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that > >in mind. >ging by the breakin we had friday at cavehillud > > >My idea for a design would to create LTSP Nodes ie (Ltsp-mosix + 2 cpu > >(64 bit) +4G ram + switch (32 x (10/100) + 1x 1000) Mbps ports > >These server would located in the wiring closest with rack mounted 2U > >servers with a 32 10/100/1000 switch for 32 clients. > > > >the server would connect back via gigabit to a centrally sited say > >(e-smith-mosix) server with large SCSI raid fast single cpu 4G ram > >and tape backup or dual layer DVD rewriter ..this would do your domain > >/homes /ldap-/samba and mail, squidguard etc... > >because the Nodes are identical and modular management and replacement > >in the event of failure would be straightforward. > > > >ideally your clients would all be the same... say 17"LCD with built in > >Amd Geodes with 64M Ram nice and tidy. > > > >I your main office you would have another e-smith server identical the > >the school ones (for simplicity) > >you would setup management (e-smith server-manger etc ) rsync critical > >stuff... sit back and admire your empire... > > > >now all you need is to fill in the blanks > >Eric is trialling 64 bit ltsp..... throw in mosix?? excellent.. > >throw in working LDAP authentication > >e-smith has excelent design and is rock solid > >.. > >cheers > > Paul, > > You speak as if you have E-Smith mosix running or at least LDAP > authentication working via E-Smith....is any of this true? I am a big > E-Smith/SME aficionado....have several servers....I've always wanted to > have E-Smith be the central point of authentication for K12LTSP and > Windows. I can do this with my current Samba/LDAP setup, but an E-Smith > set up would rock! Fill me in if you have this running. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 04:11:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:11:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <200502070144.j171iiK10759@downeast.net> References: <200502070144.j171iiK10759@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, February 6, 2005 at 9:43 PM +0000 wrote: >ithink it is a reaaly bad idea to have firewall and authentication on same >box..judging by the breakin we had at cavehill friday i see at best denial >of service abd at worst a complete breach..chuck I agree...I have several E-Smith/SME servers....only one is a firewall....the rest do different things David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From kmgrant at actaccess.net Mon Feb 7 04:22:06 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:22:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot Message-ID: <2440.137.118.184.208.1107750126.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> Hi All: I'm have a very frustrating problem that I need some help on. I've installed K12LTSP 4.2 on a Dell PowerEdge 2850 server. The server has two SCSI drives, two Xeon processors, 6 gigabit ethernet cards, etc. My network has a D-Link router and 3Com SuperStack 3900 swithches. The router is connected to the same switch as the workstations. What is happening is this: When I try and boot a client, either with a boot floppy, bootable NIC, or PXE I am unable to load a kernel. Actually, I can sometimes load a kernel and other times not. It is very inconsistent. All workstations always pull an IP address but then stop. I've tried eliminating the switch and just have a workstation go through a hub and have had some success with this. But tomorrow that workstation may not boot using the hub. I've read the docs at ltsp.org and they have been very helpful. It appears that k12 is configured correctly; however, from the behavior of the workstations I'm not sure. Some of the information I have found on the net indicates I should not have the router on the same switch as the workstations, is this correct? Since this is an on-again off-again thing, could the gigabit NICs be the problem? It almost appears that something is timing out. Could this be a problem with UDP? Any help on this you can provide would be very helpful. Cheers, Ken From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 7 11:59:51 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions Message-ID: <20050207115951.C1F153A04@mprdmxin.myway.com> Are you sure that the partitions are gone? Perhaps they are still there, but a /home *directory* was created and your home partition no longer has a mount point. I have no idea why this would happen as a result of updating the kernel, though. -Rob --- On Fri 02/04, M.Pribik < mpribik at zoznam.sk > wrote: From: M.Pribik [mailto: mpribik at zoznam.sk] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:04:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions Im sure that I did not. It is simply not possible to remove partitions by
some carelessness.
I read that such a case appeared, but there was not solution to resolve it.

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> > After updating kernel from K12LTSP 4.2 FC3 to FC3smp the partitions
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Feb 7 14:02:27 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:02:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange LDAP/Samba issue? Message-ID: <020720051402.29306.420774F3000066350000727A22007637049C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I recently added about 150 users to the LDAP database (via webmin). Now, the users can log onto the Windows systems, but ... they don't show up in the ACL lists when adding access to resources. Running pdbedit -l returns 811 users (initially), but this isn't all of the users. I deleted 4 users, and now pdbedit -l returns 807 users. I have tried the sizelimit option to slapd.conf/ldap.conf . I have stopped/restarted nscd/slapd/smb . Still, pdbedit doesn't return a complete list of users. Googling hasn't turned up any leads either. Any suggestions? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark, Delaware From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 7 14:02:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:02:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions In-Reply-To: <20050207115951.C1F153A04@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050207115951.C1F153A04@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1107784952.29899.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 05:59, Rob Owens wrote: > Are you sure that the partitions are gone? Perhaps they > are still there, but a /home *directory* was created and > your home partition no longer has a mount point. I have > no idea why this would happen as a result of updating the > kernel, though. The only scenario I can even imagine where a kernel update would change your apparent partitioning would be if you were previously configured with a multi-boot setup and the grub.conf update erroneously activated the wrong one. Even this seems pretty unlikely and it wouldn't change the partitions as seen by fdisk - but it could pick a different root partition containing a different /etc/fstab to mount them. Try 'fdisk -l' to see if the right number of partitions are still out there. Then look at /etc/grub.conf (which should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf and the same across multiple instances but check that too). If you have multiple boot choices, do they have different root partitions? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Feb 7 14:13:56 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:13:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blocking google.com? In-Reply-To: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> Message-ID: <3915.192.168.0.21.1107785636.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> The nightly squidGuard update has added google.com to the porn URL list sometime over the weekend. How can I bypass this to allow access to google? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 14:24:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:24:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot In-Reply-To: <2440.137.118.184.208.1107750126.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> Message-ID: <000f01c50d20$b523bd20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Some of the information I have found on the net indicates I > should not have the router on the same switch as the > workstations, is this correct? Since this is an on-again > off-again thing, could the gigabit NICs be the problem? It > almost appears that something is timing out. Could this be a > problem with UDP? Typical and default setup is for the router main lan side to go to one NIC on whatever IP scheme you want or with the default of dhcp. Then on another NIC have an internal switch connected that feeds all of your thin clients completely separate from the rest of the network. This internal NIC is set to 192.168.0.254 and all setup for dhcp and lts.conf point to this IP. For starters until you know all of your workstations boot and function fine you may want to start with this setup. 6 Gigabit NIC's? You may want to simplify things and start with 2 NIC's to make it easier to figure out which NIC is getting assigned what function. Start with 2 nics and compare Mac addresses so you know which is internal (192.168.0.254) and which is external (dhcp). It is possible to go with a single NIC setup whereas you have a single Gigabit NIC plugged into an existing network. But be sure it is the only dhcp server on that network (to start out with anyway) and you need to changed all references in dhcp.conf and lts.conf and a couple other files to whatever the IP is of this single NIC. Instructions are on k12ltsp.org I believe. But I recommend starting with the default setup to know all machines work first. Then move toward the more custom setups. And make you NIC setup simple to start with, and add in more down the road (presuming you'd need to). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 14:27:03 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot In-Reply-To: <2440.137.118.184.208.1107750126.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> Message-ID: <001001c50d21$17c697e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What is happening is this: When I try and boot a client, > either with a boot floppy, bootable NIC, or PXE I am unable > to load a kernel. Actually, I can sometimes load a kernel > and other times not. It is very inconsistent. All > workstations always pull an IP address but then stop. I am guessing that since your router and your ltsp dhcp server nic are on the same network is, your router and the ltsp box are fighting for who offers dhcp addresses. If the router grabs the client before the ltsp box the dhcp server won't have the right settings to get the kernel and such. This would explain the hit and miss results. So again, isolate the ltsp network first with a 2 nic setup, and put the clients on the isolated switch away from the router. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 14:42:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blocking google.com? In-Reply-To: <3915.192.168.0.21.1107785636.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net> <3915.192.168.0.21.1107785636.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > The nightly squidGuard update has added google.com to the porn URL list > sometime over the weekend. How can I bypass this to allow access to > google? Ack! That is bad! The quick fix is to re-run the blacklist update: /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists Here are the docs on making changes to the blacklists: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Squid%3ASquidGuard%3AUpdates -Eric From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Feb 7 15:11:57 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:11:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I need help to fix In-Reply-To: <20050205224305.04AEC740BD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050205224305.04AEC740BD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1107789117.8121.2.camel@phoenix.media.local> I haven't looked at the script, but I can tell you why root is wanting to log in as Administrator. Look at the 3rd field in the passwd line... where it says "0". That is the UIDNUM for the root user! I would think you wouldn't want it setup that way, but I may be wrong considering I haven't setup a Samba PDC before. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Jim Kronebusch > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I need help to fix > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:11:54 -0600 > > > Here's something I've found....it may be nothing...or it may be > > everything.... > > > > when I run getent passwd on my current functioning Samba/LDAP > > server (production box...pre smbldap-installer) I get ... > > > > Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/:/bin/false > > > > Where as on a machine I just set up with smbldap-installer....I get... > > > > Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain > > Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false > > > > Note the difference in "home". Are you guys seeing this? I'm having > > issue running programs like gedit as it wants to write to > > /home/Administrator, but it isn't there. I wonder if this is > > contributing? > > I don't have much time over the weekend but I'll check it out first thing > Monday. But I think your on to something with the home. I noticed that > after running the script, when I rebooted for the first time, I recieved an > error when logging onto the server as root. The message said that it > couldn't find the home directory /home/Administrator. I found that it was > odd that it was looking for a home directory of Administrator when I logged > in as root and I never set up an Administrator user. So I figured the > script must have modified the root user into Administrator. Then I logged > in with a standard user, did su and created a /home/Administrator folder and > chmod and chown so it matched the privs of /root. Then copied all files and > folders from /root to /home/Administrator. Then logged out and back in as > root and the problems were solved. > > Not sure what all that means but maybe it will give you a clue as to what is > happening with the home folders and permissions. > > I just ssh'ed to my test box and here is the result of getent passwd for > Administrator: > > Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain > Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 15:35:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:35:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....I needhelp to fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c50d2a$b7bd2120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Anyway...I could really use some help trying to debug this > situation....not only for me, but for all of us. Plus I'm > supposed to be teaching a class about it in 2 weeks....(hence > the panicking)....I tested everything except roaming profiles > and never would have even thought to check if it hadn't been > for Jim K. I have a functioning Samba/LDAP server already > thus I hadn't needed to try it, but I do need to fix this as > I run Windows roaming profiles and will need it to work when > I upgrade this > summer. Arrrgghhh! Any help gratefully appreciated Does anyone have a smb.conf from a system that is currently working with roaming profiles, preferably the newest version but I'll take one from 2.x if that is all there is. I have been reading through the following link on roaming profiles with smb 3.x http://samba.vernstok.nl/htmldocs/howto/ProfileMgmt.html#id2575046 The resulting smb.conf seems to be missing things that look like they are needed. One thing that really catches my attention is it says that 2000/XP machines need to have encrypted password turned on to work. Also that security = user should be set. Anyhow I would like to see one that is working and compare to what is on our new setup. Thanks > ....If you go to > Linux World I'll buy you a beer. :-) PS: I usually drink screwdrivers :-) But am far from fixing this. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 15:48:16 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:48:16 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roaming profiles....Ineedhelp to fix References: <000701c50d2a$b7bd2120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <02fd01c50d2c$70541d50$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Anyway...I could really use some help trying to debug this >> situation....not only for me, but for all of us. Plus I'm >> supposed to be teaching a class about it in 2 weeks....(hence >> the panicking)....I tested everything except roaming profiles >> and never would have even thought to check if it hadn't been >> for Jim K. I have a functioning Samba/LDAP server already >> thus I hadn't needed to try it, but I do need to fix this as >> I run Windows roaming profiles and will need it to work when >> I upgrade this >> summer. Arrrgghhh! Any help gratefully appreciated > > Does anyone have a smb.conf from a system that is currently working > with roaming profiles, preferably the newest version but I'll take > one from > 2.x if that is all there is. I have been reading through the > following link on roaming profiles with smb 3.x > http://samba.vernstok.nl/htmldocs/howto/ProfileMgmt.html#id2575046 > The resulting smb.conf seems to be missing things that look like they > are needed. One thing that really catches my attention is it says > that 2000/XP machines need to have encrypted password turned on to > work. Also that security = user should be set. Anyhow I would like > to see one that is working and compare to what is on our new setup. > > Thanks > >> ....If you go to >> Linux World I'll buy you a beer. :-) > > PS: I usually drink screwdrivers :-) But am far from fixing this. This is a working smb.conf from samba 2.2.7 with Win 2k clients & roaming profiles acting as a PDC # Samba config file created using SWAT # from UNKNOWN (0.0.0.0) # Date: 2001/06/25 12:50:27 # Global parameters [global] name resolve order = lmhosts hosts wins bcast passwd chat = *New*UNIX*password* %n\n *ReType*new*UNIX*password* %n\n *passwd:*all*authentication*tokens*updated*successfully* time server = yes passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u dns proxy = no nt acl support = yes netbios name = rho writable = yes logon script = logon.bat local master = yes workgroup = TANGIER debug level = 1 os level = 64 security = user max log size = 1000 domain admin group = +admin_users log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 logon drive = P: username map = /etc/samba/smbusers domain master = yes interfaces = 192.168.0.21/255.255.0.0 192.168.0.20/255.255.0.0 encrypt passwords = yes logon home = \\%L\%u password level = 1 wins support = true netbios aliases = rho-pc PDC pdc server string = Tangier unix password sync = no logon path = \\%L\profiles\%u add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -d /dev/null -g 100 -s /bin/false -M %u comment = Rho Samba Server domain logons = yes [homes] comment = Home Directories root preexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u connected from %m (%I)" >> /var/log/samba/login.log' ; csh -c '/etc/samba/bin/connectionmgr connect %u' root postexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u disconnected from %m (%I)" >> /var/log/samba/login.log' ; csh -c '/etc/samba/bin/connectionmgr disconnect %u' path = %H valid users = %S create mask = 0700 directory mask = 0700 browseable = No veto files = /Launch Outlook Express.lnk/ [netlogon] browseable = no comment = On the fly creation off Logon script locking = no public = no create mode = 757 path = /home/netlogon write list = brian,steve [ucas] available = yes comment = Ucas path = /home_staff/ucas browseable = no [oasis] locking = no read list = opacs, at student path = /home/library/oasis write list = steve,brian, at computing, at opacs, at admin_users comment = Library Catalogue user = steve,brian, at student, at library, at computing, at admin_users [kudos] read list = @student comment = Careers Kudos Software path = /home_staff/kudos browseable = no write list = @staff [profiles] oplocks = no browseable = no locking = no writable = yes writeable = yes delete readonly = yes path = /home/profiles comment = Users Roaming Profiles create mode = 0600 directory mode = 0700 Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 16:43:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:43:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer and roamingprofiles....Ineedhelp to fix In-Reply-To: <02fd01c50d2c$70541d50$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <000801c50d34$244884c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > This is a working smb.conf from samba 2.2.7 with Win 2k > clients & roaming profiles acting as a PDC Thanks Brian. Now does anyone have a working smbldap.conf from a system currently supporting roaming profiles? It looks like a lot of needed settings come from here as well. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 16:50:09 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java In-Reply-To: <42059C3F.9@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050207165009.16825.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Brian Beck wrote: > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Hello all, > > I recently managed to get Internet Explorer 6 > working using WINE and > > WineTools, but I can't seem to get Java working > with it. I'm getting a > > message saying that there's not enough memory to > install the Java > > Virtual Machine. We need to use this for some > online testing, and I'm > > hoping to be able to use our thin-client labs. > Any (constructive) > > thoughts are welcome. (No "Microsoft is evil" > stuff, please.) > > > > Why, in the name of God, would you ever run that > insecure POS on a Linux > system? Seriously. Just get Firefox working before > someone hacks your > system. > I'll tell you why... At least in Missouri, where I'm an educator, the State Department of Education, and their "genius" web-programmers, in their infinte wisdom have chosen to use propietary (M$) formats for their web-apps and file formats, etc... So when you try to access certain pages from Mozilla you will get error messages and NOT be able to accomplish your tasks. They ONLY work in IE! So we are forced to have IE on our systems. I'd like to know all the details as to how you got IE working on your server. It would sure come in handy when we try to access those pages from our Linux labs. At this point, I tell the teachers they will have to access that from our Windows lab instead. Anyone know how to get Macromedia Shockwave/Director working on Linux boxes? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Feb 7 17:11:23 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:11:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions References: <20050207115951.C1F153A04@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1107784952.29899.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001701c50d38$0d6f1300$0100a8c0@Marian> Thank you all for reactions. This problem with updating FC3 to FC3smp simply happened. I had no double booted system. I tried fdisk, but I could see only 2 partitions. One boot and second large one. So I dowloaded 3-th party partition manager and I started to look for lost partitions. Waw, it found them all lost. I confimed restoring them. The program did it. After rebooting I could see all partitions but the operating system was instable and crashed. So I had to do full instalation once again.. Now it works fine. Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Mikesell" To: ; "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] updating kernel from FC3 to FC3smp lost partitions > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 05:59, Rob Owens wrote: > > Are you sure that the partitions are gone? Perhaps they > > are still there, but a /home *directory* was created and > > your home partition no longer has a mount point. I have > > no idea why this would happen as a result of updating the > > kernel, though. > > The only scenario I can even imagine where a kernel update would > change your apparent partitioning would be if you were previously > configured with a multi-boot setup and the grub.conf update > erroneously activated the wrong one. Even this seems pretty > unlikely and it wouldn't change the partitions as seen by fdisk > - but it could pick a different root partition containing a > different /etc/fstab to mount them. > > Try 'fdisk -l' to see if the right number of partitions are > still out there. Then look at /etc/grub.conf (which should be > a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf and the same across multiple > instances but check that too). If you have multiple boot > choices, do they have different root partitions? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.992 (20050205) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 7 17:24:20 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java Message-ID: <20050207172420.ECA333A23@mprdmxin.myway.com> http://www.frankscorner.org/ This website has some decent instructions for setting up various programs to work with wine. -Rob --- On Mon 02/07, richard ingalls < aslansreturn at yahoo.com > wrote: From: richard ingalls [mailto: aslansreturn at yahoo.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java
--- Brian Beck wrote:

> Mark Cockrell wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I recently managed to get Internet Explorer 6
> working using WINE and
> > WineTools, but I can't seem to get Java working
> with it. I'm getting a
> > message saying that there's not enough memory to
> install the Java
> > Virtual Machine. We need to use this for some
> online testing, and I'm
> > hoping to be able to use our thin-client labs.
> Any (constructive)
> > thoughts are welcome. (No "Microsoft is evil"
> stuff, please.)
> >
>
> Why, in the name of God, would you ever run that
> insecure POS on a Linux
> system? Seriously. Just get Firefox working before
> someone hacks your
> system.
>

I'll tell you why... At least in Missouri, where I'm
an educator, the State Department of Education, and
their "genius" web-programmers, in their infinte
wisdom have chosen to use propietar! y (M$) formats for
their web-apps and file formats, etc... So when you
try to access certain pages from Mozilla you will get
error messages and NOT be able to accomplish your
tasks. They ONLY work in IE! So we are forced to
have IE on our systems.

I'd like to know all the details as to how you got IE
working on your server. It would sure come in handy
when we try to access those pages from our Linux labs.
At this point, I tell the teachers they will have to
access that from our Windows lab instead.

Anyone know how to get Macromedia Shockwave/Director
working on Linux boxes?



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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 17:31:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:31:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer androamingprofiles....Ineedhelp to fix In-Reply-To: <000801c50d34$244884c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000101c50d3a$dc175cb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I have tried changing roaming profile paths in smb.conf and openldap.conf to no avail. It wants \\COTTER-PDC\Profiles everytime no matter what I change these files too. Then I find /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema with the following entry: attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.7165.2.1.35 NAME 'sambaProfilePath' DESC 'Roaming profile path' EQUALITY caseIgnoreMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.15{255} SINGLE-VALUE ) So is this where the profile path is really pulled from? I would just like to change the path to \home\%u\profile or something temporarily to see if my error is directory related or not. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ehrhart at ycoe.org Mon Feb 7 17:30:19 2005 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:30:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to drive copy Linux Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36FD3@merlin.ycoe.org> I am running Red Hat 3 AS with one 36 GB SCSI drive. I have the drive partitioned, home, usr, /, var. I want to copy the entire drive to another SCSI drive attached to the cable so I can install the drive drive in an identical server. Then I can rename and renumber the server and be done. I used Ghost 7.5 which copied the data but would the system would not boot. It got to Grub in the boot squence and stopped. How can I get this to work? Or what is the method to copy or clone a Linux drive to another? Thanks, Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 17:31:33 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:31:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New package for testing: securex-ltsp Message-ID: <4207A5F5.8020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Over the weekend I played around with Gideon Romm's securex LTSP session. In a nut-shell, this tunnels all of the terminal traffic through SSH. It is not perfect, but it works well enough to start playing with. I packaged it for others who want to start poking at it: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/securex-ltsp-0.0.2-0.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch.rpm Thanks Gideon! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 7 17:34:26 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:34:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] project management for windows on linux Message-ID: <20050207173426.6B7F2399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> This is kind of a 2-part question. First, what's a good open source project management application for linux? Need something similar to Microsoft Project. I've read about Planner, but there are apparently many others out there. Second, what's the simplest way to enable windows-users to access this application, which will probably be running on its own linux server? If it was the other way around (linux users accessing a windows application), I know I'd use rdesktop. This is for a small company and there's not much concern about network security inside the building. This means that network activity doesn't need to be encrypted or anything, and login to the linux machine would preferably be automatic w/ no passwords (just click on a windows icon and the application launches). I'm trying to save the company money, but they're not yet convinced that they can give up MS. This would be the first of many baby steps. The final step, of course, would be all-linux, and most likely ltsp. The company is currently considering buying MS Project. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 17:43:14 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:43:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First Installation Message-ID: <20050207174314.22836.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear All, I'm New to this thin client installation. I installed new K12LTSP 4.2.0, when booting from the client workstation,it gives the message: .... Doing the pivot_root mounting the devfs filesystem running /sbin/init Usage : init 0123456SsQqAaBbCcUu VFS : Cannot open root device "nfs" or 00:ff please append a correct "root=" boot option kernel panic: VFS : unable to mount root fs on 00:ff .... and here is: # more /etc/exports /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) How to solve this ? Thanks ~pap __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 17:45:04 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:45:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] project management for windows on linux In-Reply-To: <20050207173426.6B7F2399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050207173426.6B7F2399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <3242b32d642be10a8af93c014d51378a@canby.k12.or.us> Try dotproject (http://www.dotproject.net). It is web-based & open-source, produces gantt charts on the fly, handles all contact/calendar stuff, and is simple to install. Since it web-based, there are no client requirements outside of a web browser. Joe On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > This is kind of a 2-part question. First, what's a good open source > project management application for linux? Need something similar to > Microsoft Project. I've read about Planner, but there are apparently > many others out there. Second, what's the simplest way to enable > windows-users to access this application, which will probably be > running on its own linux server? If it was the other way around > (linux users accessing a windows application), I know I'd use > rdesktop. > > This is for a small company and there's not much concern about network > security inside the building. This means that network activity > doesn't need to be encrypted or anything, and login to the linux > machine would preferably be automatic w/ no passwords (just click on a > windows icon and the application launches). > > I'm trying to save the company money, but they're not yet convinced > that they can give up MS. This would be the first of many baby steps. > The final step, of course, would be all-linux, and most likely ltsp. > The company is currently considering buying MS Project. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Feb 7 17:50:31 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:50:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blocking google.com? In-Reply-To: References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net><3915.192.168.0.21.1107785636.squirrel@mail .eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <2885.192.168.0.21.1107798631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Thanks Eric, I think I meant to say porn DOMAIN list in the prior message. Is google.com now removed from the MESD rsync site? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > >> The nightly squidGuard update has added google.com to the porn URL list >> sometime over the weekend. How can I bypass this to allow access to >> google? > > Ack! That is bad! > > The quick fix is to re-run the blacklist update: > > /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > > > Here are the docs on making changes to the blacklists: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Squid%3ASquidGuard%3AUpdates > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Feb 7 17:53:32 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:53:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java In-Reply-To: <20050207170024.C71AB744C4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050207170024.C71AB744C4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4207AB1C.8070009@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Why, in the name of God, would you ever run that >> insecure POS on a Linux >> system? Seriously. Just get Firefox working before >> someone hacks your >> system. >> > > > > > Yeah, that's exactly the kind of "Microsoft is evil" stuff I was hoping to avoid. >I'll tell you why... At least in Missouri, where I'm >an educator, the State Department of Education, and >their "genius" web-programmers, in their infinte >wisdom have chosen to use propietary (M$) formats for >their web-apps and file formats, etc... So when you >try to access certain pages from Mozilla you will get >error messages and NOT be able to accomplish your >tasks. They ONLY work in IE! So we are forced to >have IE on our systems. > > > I think we all run into that at some point. Coders use the "Advanced features" (read "Security flaws") of IE to make their stuff work. In my particular case it's for an online testing app. It doesn't help the cause for Open Source Software in my school when I tell a principal "Oh, yeah, you can't do that in our new, Linux labs. You'll have to rearrange some class schedules to make use of our Windows labs." Avoiding that was the whole reason I installed the K12LTSP labs in the first place. The "It saves you money." argument is moot when you can't actually *use* the lab. >I'd like to know all the details as to how you got IE >working on your server. It would sure come in handy >when we try to access those pages from our Linux labs. > At this point, I tell the teachers they will have to >access that from our Windows lab instead. > > I used WineTools from http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ They have put together a fairly comprehensive set of installers that let even a relative idiot like myself install various Windows programs. I've setup IE6 and Office 2000 in my own .wine directory, and it works when I copy it to another user and change the permissions as well. My hope is to set things up and add it to the /etc/skel directory (someone tell me if that's a bad idea) and then our users will have access to the various Windows apps when they need them. (Access, is another application for which many of the Open Source alternatives simply aren't acceptable for some specific uses.) >Anyone know how to get Macromedia Shockwave/Director >working on Linux boxes? > I haven't had any reason to tackle that one yet. C-ya, Mark ____ "A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." -- Bob Hope From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 18:21:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:21:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First Installation In-Reply-To: <20050207174314.22836.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c50d41$c98d8ea0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > and here is: > # more /etc/exports > /opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) Is this a single NIC install? I think the standard export would be: /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) Did you change the IP of the internal NIC during the install? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From algot.runebjork at coredump.se Mon Feb 7 19:05:58 2005 From: algot.runebjork at coredump.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Algot_Runebj=F6rk?=) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:05:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to drive copy Linux References: <20050207174531.9F209738B9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000d01c50d48$0ee1c290$0200a8c0@Wintermute> > I am running Red Hat 3 AS with one 36 GB SCSI drive. I have the drive > partitioned, home, usr, /, var. I want to copy the entire drive to > another SCSI drive attached to the cable so I can install the drive > drive in an identical server. Then I can rename and renumber the server > and be done. I used Ghost 7.5 which copied the data but would the > system would not boot. It got to Grub in the boot squence and stopped. > How can I get this to work? Or what is the method to copy or clone a > Linux drive to another? If you have an identical disc (same size, same manufacturer etc) you could use dd. dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb Then again, you might just use cat: cat /dev/sda > /dev/sdb Beware that it's not always working when doing that from a mounted system, so you might want to do it while running an OS from another unit, like a bootable, runable Linux on a CD/diskette, f.e. Knoppix. But I guess you don't have an identical disc... Besides that, you could use cp -a, which will copy everything (including rwx, uid and gid:s) but then you would need to partition and make a filesystem on the new drive. You might want to do that booting from another drive, say a CD-distro (like Knoppix) or something, in order to get all files undisturbed. Example mounting sda1 and sdb1 from a system booted from a CD (or a diskette): # mkdir /mnt/hd_a # mkdir /mnt/hd_b # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/hd_a # mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hd_b # cp -a /mnt/hd_a /mnt/hd_b # umount /mnt/hd_a # umount /mnt/hd_b I guess you get the picture. But you would still need to install GRUB or LILO or whatever you want to boot the system with manually. That will work with whatever drive you're using. / Algot -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2005-02-03 From dalen at czexan.net Mon Feb 7 19:22:40 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:22:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to drive copy Linux In-Reply-To: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36FD3@merlin.ycoe.org> References: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36FD3@merlin.ycoe.org> Message-ID: <4207C000.8090908@czexan.net> Ehrhart, Jay wrote: > I am running Red Hat 3 AS with one 36 GB SCSI drive. I have the drive > partitioned, home, usr, /, var. I want to copy the entire drive to > another SCSI drive attached to the cable so I can install the drive > drive in an identical server. Then I can rename and renumber the server > and be done. I used Ghost 7.5 which copied the data but would the > system would not boot. It got to Grub in the boot squence and stopped. > How can I get this to work? Or what is the method to copy or clone a > Linux drive to another? > > > > Thanks, > > Jay You might want to look at Knoppix Hack #61 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/knoppixhks/chapter/hack61.pdf although they refer to another hack #53 (must borrow or buy) to get grub fixed on the new partition. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 19:24:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:24:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp to fix In-Reply-To: <000101c50d3a$dc175cb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001701c50d4a$a6999070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I am currently going through the instructions to setup manually. I get to Step 9: Setting the Manager password. I do smbpasswd -w secret (where 'secret' is my password). Now my password has a ! in it. So when I issue the command with my password following I get -bash: !xxxx: event not found. So as not to divulge my password here is an abitrary example. # smbpasswd -w pa!sswd -bash: !sswd: event not found Does the script compensate for such a thing or is this where my problem may be arising? Is anyone else who has the roaming profile problem using any "special" character for a password that may hose up the script? Also another note. I have seen some stuff in Google that implies some users roaming profiles have failed to copy to the server on logout due to issues with a certain NVIDIA running. I guess they just stopped the NVIDIA service and all was well. I happen to have and NVIDIA card on the test win2k client I am using and was excited to find this, and also equally dissapointed to find out this wasn't my problem :-) After rereading it appears this causes a problem only on logout not on login, but good to know in case that happens next. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 19:26:29 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing User Passwords & NFS mounted /home directory Message-ID: <20050207192630.45306.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> I want to pass the responsibility of passwords on to the students (5th-8th graders). Presently, I assign them a password when I create their account. Then give a copy of the password list to the teachers who have k12LTSP labs in their rooms (4 labs). Kids don't memorize their passwords and the teacher allow the list to circulate and get "lost". So password security is compromised and I want to tell the LTSP box to force the users to create their own new passwords... That may sound easy enough, but here is another twist. Three of my linux servers get their /home directory via NFS from the "main" server. What would be the best way of having passwords changed every so often (quarterly?)? I'm open to suggestions. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 19:28:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? to_?= fix In-Reply-To: <001701c50d4a$a6999070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c50d4a$a6999070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 2:24 PM +0000 wrote: >I am currently going through the instructions to setup manually. I get >to Step 9: Setting the Manager password. I do smbpasswd -w secret >(where 'secret' is my password). Now my password has a ! in it. So >when I issue the command with my password following I get >-bash: !xxxx: event not found. So as not to divulge my password here is >an abitrary example. > ># smbpasswd -w pa!sswd >-bash: !sswd: event not found > >Does the script compensate for such a thing or is this where my problem >may be arising? Is anyone else who has the roaming profile problem >using any "special" character for a password that may hose up the >script? Can you try it with a "normal" password and see if you get the same result? I will be working on all of this beginning in about 15 mins. I've got several things to try....including going back to an earlier version of smbldap-tools. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 19:28:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? to_?= fix In-Reply-To: <001701c50d4a$a6999070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c50d4a$a6999070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 2:24 PM +0000 wrote: >I am currently going through the instructions to setup manually. I get >to Step 9: Setting the Manager password. I do smbpasswd -w secret >(where 'secret' is my password). Now my password has a ! in it. So >when I issue the command with my password following I get >-bash: !xxxx: event not found. So as not to divulge my password here is >an abitrary example. > ># smbpasswd -w pa!sswd >-bash: !sswd: event not found > >Does the script compensate for such a thing or is this where my problem >may be arising? Is anyone else who has the roaming profile problem >using any "special" character for a password that may hose up the >script? Can you try it with a "normal" password and see if you get the same result? I will be working on all of this beginning in about 15 mins. I've got several things to try....including going back to an earlier version of smbldap-tools. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 19:34:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:34:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp to fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c50d4c$17c1ce60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Can you try it with a "normal" password and see if you get > the same result? I will be working on all of this beginning > in about 15 mins. > I've got several things to try....including going back to an > earlier version of smbldap-tools. Funny you ask that. I immediately tried with smbpasswd -w test after I sent the message. It worked fine. But now I can't issue the command to change it back :-) I did however view /etc/samba/secrets.tdb before trying with -w test to see if I could see a difference in how the file stored the data. And I think the script must compensate for this after observing the change: Before issuing -w test: &SECRETS/LDAP_BIND_PW/cn=Manager,dc=winonacotter,dc=orgpa!sswd After issuing -w test: &SECRETS/LDAP_BIND_PW/cn=Manager,dc=winonacotter,dc=orgtest Since the pa was not cut off before the change I will assume that the script compensated for the strange character. Could someone let me know what to put around # smbpasswd -w pa!sswd in order not get the error so I can reset things :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 19:34:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:34:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer=?ISO-8859-1?Q? androamingprofiles....Ineedhelp_?= to fix In-Reply-To: <000101c50d3a$dc175cb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c50d3a$dc175cb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 12:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I have tried changing roaming profile paths in smb.conf and >openldap.conf to no avail. It wants \\COTTER-PDC\Profiles everytime no >matter what I change these files too. Then I find >/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema with the following entry: >attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.7165.2.1.35 NAME 'sambaProfilePath' > DESC 'Roaming profile path' > EQUALITY caseIgnoreMatch > SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.15{255} SINGLE-VALUE ) > >So is this where the profile path is really pulled from? I would just >like to change the path to \home\%u\profile or something temporarily to >see if my error is directory related or not. I might have something for you here.....in smbldap.conf.....scroll down to the Samba section and add %u to the end of the home and profiles defs as shown in the commented examples just above them. # The UNC path to home drives location (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\homes\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon home' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userSmbHome="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\homes" # The UNC path to profiles locations (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\profiles\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon path' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userProfile="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\profiles" EXAMPLE: userSmbHome="\\MYSERVER\homes\%U" userProfile="\\MYSERVER\profiles\%U" See if this makes any difference and let me know....I'll be trying that too. Are you able to save ANY profiles? I can't even save to /opt/samba/profiles....let alone any username stuff. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 19:36:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:36:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp tofix In-Reply-To: <001801c50d4c$17c1ce60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001901c50d4c$4db302a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Could someone let me know what to put around # smbpasswd -w > pa!sswd in order not get the error so I can reset things :-) Nevermind. It appears as though # smbpasswd -w 'pa!sswd' works. On to the next thought. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 19:38:22 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" Message-ID: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add 4 "new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural school district, using old and donated hardware (but new servers). I LOVE that my students can login anywhere and have all their files and even their customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew it was coming, right?) In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" software that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like "Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was a way to run this software on the Linux server using wine and make it available to all the users, THEN K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle schools). Has anyone successfully installed these types of "edutainment" apps on their servers and made them available to all the users? If so, HOW? I think making something like this "easy" to do, would catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for many school districts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 19:46:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:46:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Has anyone successfully installed these types of > "edutainment" apps on their servers and made them > available to all the users? If so, HOW? > > I think making something like this "easy" to do, would > catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for > many school districts. I wish we could battle this on the software manufacturer level. If only these companies would recognize the future of Linux and write for that platform as well. Yeah I know....preachin' to the chior :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 7 19:53:48 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:53:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP Message-ID: <20050207195348.123CE3A52@mprdmxin.myway.com> The only sure-fire way I know of is to run Windows Terminal Server and access it from linux using the rdesktop command. Of course Microsoft expects you to pay a license fee based on how many users you claim will be connecting to the terminal server... You can try wine, or you can try a free trial of Crossover Office at http://www.codeweavers.com/ -Rob --- On Mon 02/07, richard ingalls < aslansreturn at yahoo.com > wrote: From: richard ingalls [mailto: aslansreturn at yahoo.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add 4
"new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural
school district, using old and donated hardware (but
new servers). I LOVE that my students can login
anywhere and have all their files and even their
customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew it
was coming, right?)

In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" software
that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like
"Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart
Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was a
way to run this software on the Linux server using
wine and make it available to all the users, THEN
K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for
schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle
schools).

Has anyone successfully installed these types of
"edutainment" apps on their servers and made them
available to all the users? If so, HOW?

I think making something like this! "easy" to do, would
catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for
many school districts.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 19:56:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:56:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp tofix In-Reply-To: <001901c50d4c$4db302a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001c01c50d4f$272f83d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I just reran the script to hopefully fix whatever stupidity I may have entered into my files at this point. When doing the getent passwd | grep Administrator test in Step 18 I get the following result: Administrator:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/Administrator:/bin/false The example output in the instructions is: Administrator:x:998:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home:/bin/false Could this further backup a problem in the script with accidentally setting Administrator as the same user as root? Could that be a source of the roaming profile problem? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 7 20:18:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:18:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to drive copy Linux In-Reply-To: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36FD3@merlin.ycoe.org> References: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36FD3@merlin.ycoe.org> Message-ID: <1107807529.27069.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:30, Ehrhart, Jay wrote: > I am running Red Hat 3 AS with one 36 GB SCSI drive. I have the drive > partitioned, home, usr, /, var. I want to copy the entire drive to > another SCSI drive attached to the cable so I can install the drive > drive in an identical server. Then I can rename and renumber the > server and be done. I used Ghost 7.5 which copied the data but would > the system would not boot. It got to Grub in the boot squence and > stopped. How can I get this to work? Or what is the method to copy > or clone a Linux drive to another? You can probably fix your existing copy by booting the install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. If it identifies your partitions, mounts them, and suggests that you 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' to repair it, do that, then enter 'grub-install' and it should make the drive bootable. If it doesn't find the installed system you may have to mount the root partition yourself and edit /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.conf to use the device names for partitions instead of labels. Or use e2lable while in rescue mode to add the correct labels. If you have to make changes, type exit (twice if you did the chroot) to reboot and try again. If the target disk is identical, you can copy the whole thing, boot sector, partition table, labels and all but booting the install disk in rescue mode or using a knoppix boot cd and doing something like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb (to copy the 1st scsi drive to the 2nd). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 20:23:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:23:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? tofix?= In-Reply-To: <001c01c50d4f$272f83d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001c01c50d4f$272f83d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 2:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >The example output in the instructions is: >Administrator:x:998:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home:/bin/false > >Could this further backup a problem in the script with accidentally >setting Administrator as the same user as root? Could that be a source >of the roaming profile problem? Yes...we still believe there is an issue with the Administrator user, but....(and see my soon to follow YAHOO! message) we have the roaming profiles thing fixed (and gosh was it stupid!) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 20:23:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:23:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? tofix?= In-Reply-To: <001c01c50d4f$272f83d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001c01c50d4f$272f83d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 2:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >The example output in the instructions is: >Administrator:x:998:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home:/bin/false > >Could this further backup a problem in the script with accidentally >setting Administrator as the same user as root? Could that be a source >of the roaming profile problem? Yes...we still believe there is an issue with the Administrator user, but....(and see my soon to follow YAHOO! message) we have the roaming profiles thing fixed (and gosh was it stupid!) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 20:29:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:29:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp tofix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c50d53$c4586060$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes...we still believe there is an issue with the > Administrator user, but....(and see my soon to follow YAHOO! > message) we have the roaming profiles thing fixed (and gosh > was it stupid!) Cool. I'll stop beating my head against the wall and wait for your email. Sounds like I owe you a beer now :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From scott at hosef.org Mon Feb 7 20:28:48 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:28:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I wish we could battle this on the software manufacturer level. If only > these companies would recognize the future of Linux and write for that > platform as well. Yeah I know....preachin' to the chior :-) A very effective way for you to influence their development direction is to contact them on behalf of your district. Let them know that you are growing your deployment of Linux and would like to know what their plans are to port their product to this platform. Assure them that you are eager to buy, but to afford their product you will need to achieve cost savings on the Operating System. Money talks. Imagine if we each contacted these companies and informed them of the growing market opportunities being created by the K12LTSP and Skolelinux. You will notice that Benchmark Tracker works with Mozilla. This is because one of our teachers in Hawaii, Peter, and one of our volunteers, Vince, called the company and informed them of the sales opportunity. --scott From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 20:40:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:40:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YAHOO! Roaming profiles fixed in smbldap-installer...now admin quirks Message-ID: Yahoo! I figured out the roaming profiles issue (I hate when they change something and don't tell me) ;-) It's a simple matter of changing the Samba config for homes and profiles in smbldap.conf to contain %U (username variable) at the end. Evidently that's neccessary in the new version, however was not necessary in 0.84 of smbldap-tools. So....I just tried it and it works....so that's hurdle #1....now to look at some Administrator user quirkiness. Matt and I are trying to determine if it's possible to go back to the old method and use root instead of Administrator. One idea is instead of running simple smbldap-populate rather to run smbldap-populate -a root and see if that elimnates the need for the Administrator user. Dunno, but will report. As you can tell the smbldap-installer script is "sort of" ready for production servers, but as Eric says....if it breaks you get to keep both pieces. Mid-year probably isn't the best time to bring a server like this online anyway...right? ;-) Thus at this point everything works, but we're trying to solve something that MAY be an issue with administrator user. PS....Matt will post a new version with the fix soon, but if you want to fix it yourself....go into the templates directory in smbldap-installer and edit smbldap.conf.....and fix these lines in smbldap.conf.....scroll down to the Samba section and add %u to the end of the home and profiles defs as shown in the commented examples just above them. # The UNC path to home drives location (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\homes\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon home' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userSmbHome="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\homes" (this is the bad line...add the \%U) # The UNC path to profiles locations (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\profiles\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon path' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userProfile="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\profiles" (this is the bad line...add the \%U) EXAMPLE: userSmbHome="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\homes\%U" userProfile="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\profiles\%U" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From scott at hosef.org Mon Feb 7 20:54:13 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:54:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux Message-ID: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> Watching the growing smbldap thread and pondering the questions posed in the Network Design thread have revealed some synergy in the OSS education community. All of us know that the K12LTSP is an amazing, out-of-the box, 20-minute install of a fully functional, standards-compliant, NCLB beating computer lab. It is a perfect solution for workhorse computer labs. However, when it comes time to scaling, one has to look outside of the box for solutions. Some of you may know that Norway, led by the tireless lobbying and managerial efforts of Knut Irvin (among many others), is way ahead of America in the responsible adoption of thin-clients. This project, Skolelinux, is designed out of the box to scale to multiple campuses or classrooms while preserving passwords, home directories, and profiles. Debian-stable based with a debian-testing version in the works, the magic of their install is that you can set up a main server, a terminal server, and/or a workstation. The main server functions as a proxy, ldap, and home directory server. Authenticating off of this server and serving thin clients are as many Terminal Servers as one chooses to install. Furthermore, there is a workstation profile for stand-alone computers still requiring central authentication and profile control. The developers have integrated webmin into the project, and as one adds users to this interface, the ldap server is updated. Where the K12LTSP lacks, Skole excels. Where Skole lacks, the K12LTSP excels. From tirelessly watching both this and the debian-edu thread, I just wish I was a developer. So often both projects are working in parallel. Between the two projects are perfect solutions both to Sharon's question and for those of you wanting the roaming profile thing but needing a friendly, easy, and 'windows-like' gui. Food for thought. --scott From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 21:00:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:00:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> Message-ID: I agree...and Ragnar showed my SkoleLinux at LTSP-by-the-SEA.....BUT....where SkoleLinux lacks is in documentation. I'm not a Debian guy...so I need pretty much step-by-step on how to set up the Samba-LDAP stuff and how to set up my network for it as you have to work with their defaults. I'd love to try it more....do you have any pull with folks doing docs? I'd love to help with the docs...once I know how it works :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 07, 2005 at 3:54 PM +0000 wrote: >The developers have integrated webmin into the project, and as one adds >users to this interface, the ldap server is updated. Where the K12LTSP >lacks, Skole excels. Where Skole lacks, the K12LTSP excels. From >tirelessly watching both this and the debian-edu thread, I just wish I >was a developer. So often both projects are working in parallel. > >Between the two projects are perfect solutions both to Sharon's question > and for those of you wanting the roaming profile thing but needing a >friendly, easy, and 'windows-like' gui. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From kmgrant at actaccess.net Mon Feb 7 21:09:31 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot In-Reply-To: <001601c50d49$02cbede0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <54517.137.118.219.55.1107800539.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> <001601c50d49$02cbede0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <58017.137.118.219.55.1107810571.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> Jim: Thank you for your time and patience. I will try your configuration this evening and let you know the results. Cheers, Ken >> The router/firewall has a 10.0.0.1 address and the external >> NIC has a static IP address of 10.0.0.254. Also, I've turned >> of DHCP on the router so the only place a workstation should >> be getting an IP address is from the ltsp server. If I >> remember correctly, the internal NIC is using DHCP has an IP >> address of 192.168.0.254. Actually, both NICs should be set >> to stactic, coorect? >> >> As for the router, it should go directly into the external >> NIC using a crossover cable by-passing the switch. Is that right? >> >> Do you think this might be a DNS problem or are we still too >> early in the boot process for DNS to come into play. > > I am not exactly one of the experts on the list here. But I'll keep > trying. Here is how you should have it setup: > > WAN side > Router 10.0.0.1 -> standard patch cable from router switch to eth1 eth1 > static 10.0.0.254 > > LAN or ltsp side > eth0 static 192.168.0.254 -> standard patch cable to switch > switch via standard patch to all clients > > No in your earlier post I saw that you said the router was connected to > the same switch as the workstations. You don't want that if you are > performing a standard 2 nic install. Set up things just as described > above. > > Also if you have the firewall enabled....disable it. I usually do this > on initial install just to be sure I don't have any firewalling issues. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 21:18:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:18:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp tofix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c50d5a$930b82b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes...we still believe there is an issue with the > Administrator user, but....(and see my soon to follow YAHOO! > message) we have the roaming profiles thing fixed (and gosh > was it stupid!) After making the change does smbpasswd username still work for you? I made the change and reran the script and am having trouble with this command saying the user doesn't exist. I can't fathom how the change could affect it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tom at pcc.com Mon Feb 7 21:19:00 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YAHOO! Roaming profiles fixed in smbldap-installer...now admin quirks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050207211900.GA306922@pcc.com> David Trask wrote: > Yahoo! I figured out the roaming profiles issue (I hate when they change > something and don't tell me) ;-) It's a simple matter of changing the > Samba config for homes and profiles in smbldap.conf to contain %U > (username variable) at the end. Evidently that's neccessary in the new > version, however was not necessary in 0.84 of smbldap-tools. So....I just > tried it and it works....so that's hurdle #1....now to look at some Great work. I noticed that last week when as I was correspoding with the group and just changed it in smbldap.conf. But, I was able to copy a roaming profile straight into /opt/samba/profiles before that, which it sounds like you were not able to do. Is there anything else you did or did not do ( like upgrading packages)? > Administrator user quirkiness. Matt and I are trying to determine if it's > possible to go back to the old method and use root instead of > Administrator. One idea is instead of running simple smbldap-populate > rather to run smbldap-populate -a root and see if that elimnates the > need for the Administrator user. Dunno, but will report. As you can tell > the smbldap-installer script is "sort of" ready for production servers, > but as Eric says....if it breaks you get to keep both pieces. Mid-year > probably isn't the best time to bring a server like this online > anyway...right? ;-) Thus at this point everything works, but we're > trying to solve something that MAY be an issue with administrator user. > > PS....Matt will post a new version with the fix soon, but if you want to > fix it yourself....go into the templates directory in smbldap-installer > and edit smbldap.conf.....and fix these lines > > in smbldap.conf.....scroll down to > the Samba section and add %u to the end of the home and profiles defs as > shown in the commented examples just above them. > > # The UNC path to home drives location (%U username substitution) > # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\homes\%U > # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon home' > # directive and/or disable roaming profiles > userSmbHome="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\homes" (this is the bad line...add the > \%U) > > # The UNC path to profiles locations (%U username substitution) > # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\profiles\%U > # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon path' > # directive and/or disable roaming profiles > userProfile="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\profiles" (this is the bad line...add the > \%U) > > > EXAMPLE: > > userSmbHome="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\homes\%U" > userProfile="\\NETBIOSNAME_KEY\profiles\%U" > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 21:29:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:29:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help....smbldap-installer=?ISO-8859-1?Q? androamingprofiles....Ineedhelp_?= to fix In-Reply-To: <000001c50d52$bace78a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c50d52$bace78a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Jim Kronebusch" on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 3:22 PM +0000 wrote: >Gave it a whirl and still the same stupid \\COTTER-PDC\Profiles error. >Shouldn't it be \\COTTER-PDC\Profiles\username after the change? I >don't get what is over-riding things. Did you run the smbldap-installer script again? You might have to start fresh....dunno....I made the change prior to running the script on a fresh install. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 21:31:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:31:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YAHOO! Roaming profiles fixed in smbldap-installer...now=?ISO-8859-1?Q? admin_?= qu In-Reply-To: <20050207211900.GA306922@pcc.com> References: <20050207211900.GA306922@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 4:19 PM +0000 wrote: >Great work. I noticed that last week when as I was correspoding with the >group and just changed it in smbldap.conf. But, I was able to copy >a roaming profile straight into /opt/samba/profiles before that, which >it sounds like you were not able to do. > >Is there anything else you did or did not do ( like upgrading packages)? I did not upgrade....but unlike you I had the problem regardless of whether I upgraded or not. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 21:34:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:34:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installer androamingprofiles....Ineedhelp to fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c50d5c$dc0bcb80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Did you run the smbldap-installer script again? You might > have to start > fresh....dunno....I made the change prior to running the > script on a fresh install. That's kind of what I figured. I'll scrap this setup and start from scratch and see what happens. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 21:35:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:35:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? tofix?= In-Reply-To: <002601c50d5a$930b82b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002601c50d5a$930b82b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 4:18 PM +0000 wrote: >After making the change does smbpasswd username still work for you? I >made the change and reran the script and am having trouble with this >command saying the user doesn't exist. I can't fathom how the change >could affect it. I'll be perfectly honest....if Imake too many changes....things get so screwed up that it's simply easier to reload the server.....you may want to do that. Matt is firing off the latest version of smbldap-installer which also corrects the Administrator problem by doing away with Administrator and using root (like the older versions of smbldap-tools used to do....fake root). So now when you join a machine to the domain it will be with "root"...and the admin password and not "Administrator". Not a big change, but big enough to fix a lot of quirks. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 21:35:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:35:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]Help....smbldap-installerandroamingprofiles....Ineedhelp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? tofix?= In-Reply-To: <002601c50d5a$930b82b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002601c50d5a$930b82b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 4:18 PM +0000 wrote: >After making the change does smbpasswd username still work for you? I >made the change and reran the script and am having trouble with this >command saying the user doesn't exist. I can't fathom how the change >could affect it. I'll be perfectly honest....if Imake too many changes....things get so screwed up that it's simply easier to reload the server.....you may want to do that. Matt is firing off the latest version of smbldap-installer which also corrects the Administrator problem by doing away with Administrator and using root (like the older versions of smbldap-tools used to do....fake root). So now when you join a machine to the domain it will be with "root"...and the admin password and not "Administrator". Not a big change, but big enough to fix a lot of quirks. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Mon Feb 7 21:43:17 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:43:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (profiles working and "Administrator" is now "root") In-Reply-To: <20050207192839.B056E737F7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050207210337.GF18469@socrates.mojo.home> Version 1.2-gamma of the smbldap-installer is available at http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz . * The problem with roaming profiles is fixed; Dave Trask was the first to successfully test after appending "%U" to the userProfile setting in smbldap.conf. (Simply changing this setting on a previously configured system may or may not work. I haven't tested it.) * The Administrator user has been laid to rest; use 'root' now in its place. NOTE: This means you use 'root' with root's SAMBA password to add Windoze machines to your domain. (You set root's Samba password while the smb-ldap.pl script is running.) Thanks to everyone here (particularly Dave Trask) for helping to track down the profiles bug! And it was an email from Dave that gave me the solution for ditching the Administrator user. Pending a documentation update, 1.2-gamma will soon become 1.2. --matt From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 21:52:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:52:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (profiles working and"Administrator" is now "root") In-Reply-To: <20050207210337.GF18469@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <003201c50d5f$41e8b0b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Dave Trask was the first > to successfully test after appending "%U" to the userProfile setting > in smbldap.conf. (Simply changing this setting on a previously > configured system may or may not work. I haven't tested it.) I made the change to a running system and it does work. But, any existing users I found out were created with the old settings. So the reason I was unsuccessful in getting things to work is I had not removed those users and recreated new ones. After that things work fine. So just to be sure things are in good shape after all my messing around I am taking David's advice and canning the thing and will reload it with your new script. I'll report back to let you know if there were/weren't any problems. > * The Administrator user has been laid to rest; use 'root' now in its > place. NOTE: This means you use 'root' with root's SAMBA password > to add Windoze machines to your domain. (You set root's Samba > password while the smb-ldap.pl script is running.) > > Thanks to everyone here (particularly Dave Trask) for helping > to track down the profiles bug! > > And it was an email from Dave that gave me the solution for > ditching the Administrator user. Good. That will eliminate the weird stuff when logging in as root on the server as well. Thanks Matt and Dave for your efforts. Do either of you know if Webmin will still be able to be used for adding/removing/modifying users along with its bulk add section? If not I'll just give it a whirl when I get rebuilt. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Feb 7 21:50:36 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:50:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux] Message-ID: <1107813036.6033.23.camel@deepspace9> ---------Videresendt melding------- Fra: Trond M?hlum Til: Support list for opensource software in schools. Emne: Re: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux Dato: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:41:24 +0100 man, 07,.02.2005 kl. 10.54 -1000, skrev R. Scott Belford: > > The developers have integrated webmin into the project, and as one adds > users to this interface, the ldap server is updated. Where the K12LTSP > lacks, Skole excels. Where Skole lacks, the K12LTSP excels. This is exactly why I have set up Skolelinux and K12LTSP working together. Skolelinux, which means School linux in Norwegian, ig you did'nt know that, acts as the main server, with all it's services turned on. We use it for, LDAP, Squid, SquidGuard, DNS, Backup, Nagios, Munin (LR RD), webserver, mailserver... All of those work out of the box. We use K12LTSP simply as a terminal server, simply because of it's new software. I my opinion, the mainserver needs to be rock solid, hence Debian Stable. I myself, cannot seem to agree with Debian, and believe me I have tried. I am a Redhat person, but have to admit that the Skolelinux main server profile is totally awesome! Regards Trond M?hlum Norway > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nbs at sonic.net Mon Feb 7 22:11:41 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:11:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:28:48AM -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Money talks. Imagine if we each contacted these companies and informed > them of the growing market opportunities being created by the K12LTSP > and Skolelinux. You will notice that Benchmark Tracker works with > Mozilla. This is because one of our teachers in Hawaii, Peter, and one > of our volunteers, Vince, called the company and informed them of the > sales opportunity. Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere (like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be influencial already on this list? -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Mon Feb 7 19:26:18 2005 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:26:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to drive copy Linux In-Reply-To: <000d01c50d48$0ee1c290$0200a8c0@Wintermute> References: <20050207174531.9F209738B9@hormel.redhat.com> <000d01c50d48$0ee1c290$0200a8c0@Wintermute> Message-ID: <200502071326.18620.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Lunes, 7 de Febrero de 2005 01:05 PM, Algot Runebj?rk escribi?: > Example mounting sda1 and sdb1 from a system > booted from a CD (or a diskette): > > # mkdir /mnt/hd_a > # mkdir /mnt/hd_b > # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/hd_a > # mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hd_b > # cp -a /mnt/hd_a /mnt/hd_b > # umount /mnt/hd_a > # umount /mnt/hd_b > Another way is using tar: cd /mnt/hd_a tar -cvf - . | (cd /mnt/hd_b; tar -xf -) chroot /mnt/hd_b grub for example Mario Guerra From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Mon Feb 7 22:26:51 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:26:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > I made the change to a running system and it does work. But, any > existing users I found out were created with the old settings. So the > reason I was unsuccessful in getting things to work is I had not removed > those users and recreated new ones. After that things work fine. So > just to be sure things are in good shape after all my messing around I > am taking David's advice and canning the thing and will reload it with > your new script. I'll report back to let you know if there were/weren't > any problems. Great! Thanks for your help. > Do either of you know if Webmin will still be able to be used for > adding/removing/modifying users along with its bulk add section? If not > I'll just give it a whirl when I get rebuilt. Unless Webmin is smart about LDAP, and even smart enough to know about the sort of Samba/LDAP setup we're using, I don't expect it to work. --matt From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Feb 7 22:37:28 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:37:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New package for testing: securex-ltsp In-Reply-To: <4207A5F5.8020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4207A5F5.8020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1107815848.18177.12.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Eric- Wow. Are you sure you want to include this just yet? It was really meant to spark a development effort in this direction. It's surely not ready for prime time, so just so all the K12LTSP'ers know, this is very much for "poking at", not for use in production. That being said, thanks Eric for including it. Maybe with more eyes and hands, we can develop it for production use. Cheers, -Gideon On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 12:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > Over the weekend I played around with Gideon Romm's securex LTSP > session. In a nut-shell, this tunnels all of the terminal traffic > through SSH. > > It is not perfect, but it works well enough to start playing with. I > packaged it for others who want to start poking at it: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/securex-ltsp-0.0.2-0.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch.rpm > > > Thanks Gideon! > > -Eric > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 22:49:18 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:49:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> Message-ID: <9bd3175605020714497375128@mail.gmail.com> Slashdot is how I learned about K12linux through an article about Hosef. (thanks Scott). -Peter On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:11:41 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:28:48AM -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Money talks. Imagine if we each contacted these companies and informed > > them of the growing market opportunities being created by the K12LTSP > > and Skolelinux. You will notice that Benchmark Tracker works with > > Mozilla. This is because one of our teachers in Hawaii, Peter, and one > > of our volunteers, Vince, called the company and informed them of the > > sales opportunity. > > Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) > > Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere > (like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be > influencial already on this list? > > -- > -bill! > bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical > http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 22:57:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:57:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> > Unless Webmin is smart about LDAP, and even smart enough to know > about the sort of Samba/LDAP setup we're using, I don't expect it to > work. Thanks for the response. I'll focus my efforts elsewhere then. I didn't think it would work. I am just looking for an easy way for other admins (say a principal at a school or media specialist) to add remove users other than a command line with scripts and such. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 7 23:08:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:08:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> > Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) > > Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere > (like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be > influencial already on this list? If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is it is all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. I am sure there are plenty of statistics for how many Windows and Mac users there are. But just like was discussed on this list last week there probably isn't as many numbers backing up Linux or K12LTSP. So right now they can calculate how much income would could possibly be gained at x amount for software multiplied by %y of available users z. If we could give them an idea of how large a number z is maybe they could see a real potential which will drive them down this road. Right now I suppose they know where the road of MS and Mac will lead them. Maybe it is as simple as paving a road with real statistics on systems, workstations, in service. And they may also be shy due to the push for free open source software. The general expectation from most linux users is if the os is free, and most software is free, why would I buy any, lets find a free version. I am all for free and open source, but in order for them to want to produce software for this market maybe we need to somehow convey a willingness to pay for task specific software, without the release of the source (the response for saying that will most likely hurt). Not that I am for that, but if I have a company that has made a certain task specific software for x amount of years, the thought of having to release all of the code to move to another platform would most likely stear me clear and hang out supporting platforms where my code can remain anonymous. I think these are most likely the hurdles we are facing. And a single person or group most likely won't spead as loud as statistics. Luckily with some big compaines taking on Linux and mainstream commercials by comanies such as IBM should be starting to get their attention. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Mon Feb 7 23:31:43 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:31:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Version 1.2-beta-SMBLDAP INSTALLER Message-ID: <1107819103.4207fa5f918e5@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Hello, just ran the userinfo.start script to add bulk user and this is the error message that I get: Can't call method "get_value" on an undefined value at /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbladp-useradd line 170, line 283. -->Then towards the botton smbldap-useradd error for fcatt:768. ...so on for all the users in the exmaple Mark From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 23:32:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:32:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I do not really have too much to say right now, but I will state that I have been working on a number of the areas that I think K12LTSP needs to improve. Sharing resources with other projects, documentation, support, etc, etc. Hopefully more to come in the near future... ;-) -Eric R. Scott Belford wrote: > Watching the growing smbldap thread and pondering the questions posed in > the Network Design thread have revealed some synergy in the OSS > education community. > > All of us know that the K12LTSP is an amazing, out-of-the box, 20-minute > install of a fully functional, standards-compliant, NCLB beating > computer lab. It is a perfect solution for workhorse computer labs. > However, when it comes time to scaling, one has to look outside of the > box for solutions. > > Some of you may know that Norway, led by the tireless lobbying and > managerial efforts of Knut Irvin (among many others), is way ahead of > America in the responsible adoption of thin-clients. This project, > Skolelinux, is designed out of the box to scale to multiple campuses or > classrooms while preserving passwords, home directories, and profiles. > > Debian-stable based with a debian-testing version in the works, the > magic of their install is that you can set up a main server, a terminal > server, and/or a workstation. The main server functions as a proxy, > ldap, and home directory server. Authenticating off of this server and > serving thin clients are as many Terminal Servers as one chooses to > install. Furthermore, there is a workstation profile for stand-alone > computers still requiring central authentication and profile control. > > The developers have integrated webmin into the project, and as one adds > users to this interface, the ldap server is updated. Where the K12LTSP > lacks, Skole excels. Where Skole lacks, the K12LTSP excels. From > tirelessly watching both this and the debian-edu thread, I just wish I > was a developer. So often both projects are working in parallel. > > Between the two projects are perfect solutions both to Sharon's question > and for those of you wanting the roaming profile thing but needing a > friendly, easy, and 'windows-like' gui. > > Food for thought. > > --scott > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 23:44:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:44:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New package for testing: securex-ltsp In-Reply-To: <1107815848.18177.12.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <4207A5F5.8020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1107815848.18177.12.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <4207FD74.50506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gideon Romm wrote: > Eric- > > Wow. Are you sure you want to include this just yet? It was really > meant to spark a development effort in this direction. It's surely not > ready for prime time, so just so all the K12LTSP'ers know, this is very > much for "poking at", not for use in production. > > That being said, thanks Eric for including it. Maybe with more eyes and > hands, we can develop it for production use. Well, I'm not really including it, just making a package available for others to "poke at". It has to be manually installed and then manually enabled... -Eric > Cheers, > > -Gideon > > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 12:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>Over the weekend I played around with Gideon Romm's securex LTSP >>session. In a nut-shell, this tunnels all of the terminal traffic >>through SSH. >> >>It is not perfect, but it works well enough to start playing with. I >>packaged it for others who want to start poking at it: >> >>ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/securex-ltsp-0.0.2-0.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch.rpm >> >> >>Thanks Gideon! >> >>-Eric >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 7 23:51:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:51:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blocking google.com? In-Reply-To: <2885.192.168.0.21.1107798631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <4204CA0C.6000601@snet.net><3915.192.168.0.21.1107785636.squirrel@mail .eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <2885.192.168.0.21.1107798631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <4207FF01.5040508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > Thanks Eric, > > I think I meant to say porn DOMAIN list in the prior message. Is > google.com now removed from the MESD rsync site? Yes, I removed it immediately. -Eric > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > >>On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: >> >> >>>The nightly squidGuard update has added google.com to the porn URL list >>>sometime over the weekend. How can I bypass this to allow access to >>>google? >> >>Ack! That is bad! >> >>The quick fix is to re-run the blacklist update: >> >> /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists >> >> >>Here are the docs on making changes to the blacklists: >> >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Squid%3ASquidGuard%3AUpdates >> >>-Eric >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No, no, oh god no....unless you want to totally hose your LDAP setup :-) Use something like LAM...or my fave is Directory Administrator...it's a GUI that you can use to work with accounts....although the CLI is WAY faster! Also...IDEALX.org does have a webmin module, but good luck setting it up...if you do....PLEASE document so we can try. IDEALX also has a new console which may also be worth a look. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 7 23:53:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:53:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 5:26 PM +0000 wrote: >> Do either of you know if Webmin will still be able to be used for >> adding/removing/modifying users along with its bulk add section? If not >> I'll just give it a whirl when I get rebuilt. No, no, oh god no....unless you want to totally hose your LDAP setup :-) Use something like LAM...or my fave is Directory Administrator...it's a GUI that you can use to work with accounts....although the CLI is WAY faster! Also...IDEALX.org does have a webmin module, but good luck setting it up...if you do....PLEASE document so we can try. IDEALX also has a new console which may also be worth a look. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 00:03:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:03:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28profiles_?= working=?ISO-8859-1?Q? and=22Administrato?= In-Reply-To: <003201c50d5f$41e8b0b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003201c50d5f$41e8b0b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 4:52 PM +0000 wrote: >> Dave Trask was the first >> to successfully test after appending "%U" to the userProfile setting >> in smbldap.conf. (Simply changing this setting on a previously >> configured system may or may not work. I haven't tested it.) > >I made the change to a running system and it does work. But, any >existing users I found out were created with the old settings. So the >reason I was unsuccessful in getting things to work is I had not removed >those users and recreated new ones. After that things work fine. So >just to be sure things are in good shape after all my messing around I >am taking David's advice and canning the thing and will reload it with >your new script. I'll report back to let you know if there were/weren't >any problems. I too was able to change a running system, but ran into issue with "roots" home when I redid some things after running the new version of the script that addresses the Administrator issue. In the end I hosed everything (I'm getting good at that) ;-) So naturally (thank god for NFS installs) I reloaded and everything is working Perfectly! Matt and I also received some validation from John Terpstra (a Samba.org big-wig) that our Administrator suspicions were correct. (it's bad advice that keeps getting handed out by others...meaning the use of an Administrator account is bad advice) Here's the text of his response.... ###### Please note that a side effect of Administrator with UID=0 as well as root with UID=0 is that login name to UID and login name to SID resolution is no longer unambiguous. This will break winbindd big time in critical situations. The best advice is to have just 'root' with UID=0 and use 'root' as the domain administrator account. The new privileges capability can be used to delegate some administrative functions, such as adding machines to the domain, to accounts other than 'root'. ######## > > >> * The Administrator user has been laid to rest; use 'root' now in its >> place. NOTE: This means you use 'root' with root's SAMBA password >> to add Windoze machines to your domain. (You set root's Samba >> password while the smb-ldap.pl script is running.) >> >> Thanks to everyone here (particularly Dave Trask) for helping >> to track down the profiles bug! >> >> And it was an email from Dave that gave me the solution for >> ditching the Administrator user. > >Good. That will eliminate the weird stuff when logging in as root on >the server as well. > >Thanks Matt and Dave for your efforts. You're welcome....by the way...we'll be in Boston so a Sam Adams Lager will work ;-) > > >Do either of you know if Webmin will still be able to be used for >adding/removing/modifying users along with its bulk add section? If not >I'll just give it a whirl when I get rebuilt. See my other post, but in short, no..."not unless you want to become as well versed as I am in hosing systems" ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 00:03:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:03:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28profiles_?= working=?ISO-8859-1?Q? and=22Administrato?= In-Reply-To: <003201c50d5f$41e8b0b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003201c50d5f$41e8b0b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 4:52 PM +0000 wrote: >> Dave Trask was the first >> to successfully test after appending "%U" to the userProfile setting >> in smbldap.conf. (Simply changing this setting on a previously >> configured system may or may not work. I haven't tested it.) > >I made the change to a running system and it does work. But, any >existing users I found out were created with the old settings. So the >reason I was unsuccessful in getting things to work is I had not removed >those users and recreated new ones. After that things work fine. So >just to be sure things are in good shape after all my messing around I >am taking David's advice and canning the thing and will reload it with >your new script. I'll report back to let you know if there were/weren't >any problems. I too was able to change a running system, but ran into issue with "roots" home when I redid some things after running the new version of the script that addresses the Administrator issue. In the end I hosed everything (I'm getting good at that) ;-) So naturally (thank god for NFS installs) I reloaded and everything is working Perfectly! Matt and I also received some validation from John Terpstra (a Samba.org big-wig) that our Administrator suspicions were correct. (it's bad advice that keeps getting handed out by others...meaning the use of an Administrator account is bad advice) Here's the text of his response.... ###### Please note that a side effect of Administrator with UID=0 as well as root with UID=0 is that login name to UID and login name to SID resolution is no longer unambiguous. This will break winbindd big time in critical situations. The best advice is to have just 'root' with UID=0 and use 'root' as the domain administrator account. The new privileges capability can be used to delegate some administrative functions, such as adding machines to the domain, to accounts other than 'root'. ######## > > >> * The Administrator user has been laid to rest; use 'root' now in its >> place. NOTE: This means you use 'root' with root's SAMBA password >> to add Windoze machines to your domain. (You set root's Samba >> password while the smb-ldap.pl script is running.) >> >> Thanks to everyone here (particularly Dave Trask) for helping >> to track down the profiles bug! >> >> And it was an email from Dave that gave me the solution for >> ditching the Administrator user. > >Good. That will eliminate the weird stuff when logging in as root on >the server as well. > >Thanks Matt and Dave for your efforts. You're welcome....by the way...we'll be in Boston so a Sam Adams Lager will work ;-) > > >Do either of you know if Webmin will still be able to be used for >adding/removing/modifying users along with its bulk add section? If not >I'll just give it a whirl when I get rebuilt. See my other post, but in short, no..."not unless you want to become as well versed as I am in hosing systems" ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Feb 8 00:08:41 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:08:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) >> >>Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere >>(like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be >>influencial already on this list? >> >> > >If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is it is >all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. I am sure there are plenty of >statistics for how many Windows and Mac users there are. But just like was >discussed on this list last week there probably isn't as many numbers backing >up Linux or K12LTSP. So right now they can calculate how much income would >could possibly be gained at x amount for software multiplied by %y of >available users z. If we could give them an idea of how large a number z is >maybe they could see a real potential which will drive them down this road. >Right now I suppose they know where the road of MS and Mac will lead them. >Maybe it is as simple as paving a road with real statistics on systems, >workstations, in service. And they may also be shy due to the push for free >open source software. The general expectation from most linux users is if the >os is free, and most software is free, why would I buy any, lets find a free >version. I am all for free and open source, but in order for them to want to >produce software for this market maybe we need to somehow convey a willingness >to pay for task specific software, without the release of the source (the >response for saying that will most likely hurt). Not that I am for that, but >if I have a company that has made a certain task specific software for x >amount of years, the thought of having to release all of the code to move to >another platform would most likely stear me clear and hang out supporting >platforms where my code can remain anonymous. > >I think these are most likely the hurdles we are facing. And a single person >or group most likely won't spead as loud as statistics. Luckily with some big >compaines taking on Linux and mainstream commercials by comanies such as IBM >should be starting to get their attention. > > > Of course, you could simply move away from titles like Reader Rabbit, Oregon Trail, etc. If these companies care about the lost sales, they'll get in line. Besides, the way I learned to read was by reading actual books, and I'm not all that old. Is reading actual books not considered "good" anymore? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 00:13:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:13:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Know what would be really cool? Skolelinux....on Ubuntu as a server....and K12LTSP as the terminal server network.....idiot-proof documentation of the Skolelinux server setup....and I think we'd have a lot of happy customers. (why Ubuntu? cause I love Ubuntu....it's about the only Debian based distro I do like) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 8 00:24:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:24:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1107822245.27897.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 18:13, David Trask wrote: > Know what would be really cool? Skolelinux....on Ubuntu as a > server....and K12LTSP as the terminal server network.....idiot-proof > documentation of the Skolelinux server setup....and I think we'd have a > lot of happy customers. (why Ubuntu? cause I love Ubuntu....it's about > the only Debian based distro I do like) All you really need is to roll the smbldap-installer into an RPM that will work on k12ltsp or centos, packaged with directory administrator and/or a web tool to manage users. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 8 00:22:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:22:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> > Of course, you could simply move away from titles like Reader Rabbit, > Oregon Trail, etc. If these companies care about the lost sales, > they'll get in line. Besides, the way I learned to read was by > reading actual books, and I'm not all that old. Is reading actual > books not considered "good" anymore? Funny you say that. I myself have installed this software on a few thousand machines, but can honestly say I have never used the software myself. So I personally have no idea what the big deal is with the software. And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more money for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't know you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) And more ironic thing is that I have tried to get around the need for specific software by asking teachers/admins to document the computer skills the are attempting to teach the kids at each grade level, but come to find out no one knows what they are trying to teach, just that they have a curriculum with lesson plans setup by someone else and they just teach what they have. So if you don't know what you are teaching, what the heck is the point? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 00:28:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:28:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1107822245.27897.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1107822245.27897.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 7, 2005 at 7:24 PM +0000 wrote: >All you really need is to roll the smbldap-installer into an RPM that >will work on k12ltsp or centos, packaged with directory administrator >and/or a web tool to manage users. That's a good subtle hint :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Feb 8 00:30:27 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:30:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 18:22 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more money > for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book > anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't know > you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) At which point we all will have failed miserably in our jobs as educators. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From accessys at smart.net Tue Feb 8 00:51:16 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:51:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) > > > > Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere > > (like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be > > influencial already on this list? > > If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is it is > all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. I am sure there are plenty of > statistics for how many Windows and Mac users there are. But just like was > discussed on this list last week there probably isn't as many numbers backing > up Linux or K12LTSP. unfortunately all data would be wrong, well maybe the Mac numbers would be close. but since almost all computers today are sold with some version of Windows installed. so they are all counted, but there is no indication and probably no way of knowing how many of those computers are used mostly if not exclusively in some version of open source software...and since most Linux installations are shared software installs, there is no real way to count how many systems have Linux, for example. I have personally installed linux on a number of other peoples computers, I have never reported either my installation or any of these other installs to anyone, so I doubt there is any way to count. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 01:25:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:25:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer....current status 2-7-05 (8:02 pm) Message-ID: Ok, Here's the latest. Matt and I have been hard at work ever since the "profiles" bug surfaced last week. In addition to the "profiles" bug...we noticed the "Administrator" quirk (like my little names for all these things). Brian Chivers also requested the "user homes" feature as well. Hence we had our work cut out for us. Matt for writing the changes and me for pulling my hair out trying to figure why the hell it wouldn't work. Sure enough...two characters and a letter made all the difference in the world. "\%U" A couple hours on the phone with Matt on Saturday (thank god for cell phones and nationwide toll-free calling...although he's only in NH...next state over)....and again today (I was so excited I had to tell someone!)....and a gazillion emails and list posts later....I can report that we've squashed the bugs! Phew! I can also verify that this time I tested EVERYTHING....on both a K12LTSP 4.2 box and an FC3 box....everything installs and minimal installs....X server and no X server....etc. It works! Yay! In fact, the removing of the Administrator user and going back to "root" seems to make a lot of things run better. So...smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz has been released. It will stay gamma for a couple days as I have to rework some critical stuff in the docs. Unfortunately I've had enough of this place today (I'm still at school)...so I'm going home and *gasp* I'm not even taking my laptop home with me! I will tackle the docs tomorrow afternoon and if all goes well I will hopefully ship them off to Matt tomorrow evening so he can package them in with what we hope will be smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz.....just in time for Linux World! (Red Sox....Patriots....and now Linux World is coming to Boston?....what have I done to deserve such good fortune!) Matt and I will both be at Linux World (I'll be there Mon eve. - Thurs. and Matt will be there at least one day)....hope to meet many of you...I'll be at the LTSP booth. Also...many thanks to those of you who helped us find some of these bugs....etc. Jim Kronebush....Tom Astle...and anyone else I may be leaving out. Thanks for your help....this is what Open Source is truly all about. Imagine how long it might have taken M$ to sort something like this out! Although smbldap-installer is "gamma" due to docs...I would feel safe in using it on a production server in my school. I've tested it all over and it works now. So have at it and let us know. For now it's on Matt's server http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz As soon as it is out of gamma it'll be available on Steve's server in Exeter and mirrored on mine in Vassalboro. Also one last note: The Summer Linux conference at Gould Academy in Maine that I told you about earlier this winter is shaping up...I hope to have the registration info available before Linux World, but at the least, by the end of Feb. It's an awesome 3 days....room and board included (and boy do we feed you well)....all for about $400. It's been awesome the past two years and hopefully many of you can join us this year! June 19th-21st at Gould Academy (a beautiful old New England private school) in Bethel, Maine. More to follow....let me know if you'd like to come....I'll put you on the list to receive info. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sbetts at msad71.net Tue Feb 8 01:37:20 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> < > <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> < > <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> < > <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 07, 2005 at 7:22 PM +0000 wrote: >And more ironic thing is that I have tried to get around the need for >specific >software by asking teachers/admins to document the computer skills the are >attempting to teach the kids at each grade level, but come to find out no >one >knows what they are trying to teach, just that they have a curriculum with >lesson plans setup by someone else and they just teach what they have. I look at technology as the tool to curriculum and differentiation. My question to the teachers would be what are you trying to teach the students by using this software? Then if it is necessary to the curriculum, we work out a way to get it to work (or find a substitute) and make certain the students have the technology skills necessary to use it. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 8 01:55:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:55:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 18:30, Dan Young wrote: > > And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more money > > for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book > > anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't know > > you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) > > At which point we all will have failed miserably in our jobs as > educators. I'm sure they said the same thing when clay tablets went out of style. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 8 02:05:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:05:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1107822245.27897.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, February 7, 2005 at 7:24 PM +0000 wrote: >> All you really need is to roll the smbldap-installer into an RPM that >> will work on k12ltsp or centos, packaged with directory administrator >> and/or a web tool to manage users. > > That's a good subtle hint :-) The hint has been officially noted. However, as I hinted earlier, I may not have a lot of time in the next couple weeks to add specific new features to K12LTSP... But don't dispair, interesting things are happening in the background ;-) -Eric From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Feb 8 02:32:44 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:32:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420824CC.7000901@snet.net> richard ingalls wrote: >I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add 4 >"new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural >school district, using old and donated hardware (but >new servers). I LOVE that my students can login >anywhere and have all their files and even their >customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew it >was coming, right?) > >In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" software >that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like >"Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart >Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was a >way to run this software on the Linux server using >wine and make it available to all the users, THEN >K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for >schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle >schools). > >Has anyone successfully installed these types of >"edutainment" apps on their servers and made them >available to all the users? If so, HOW? > >I think making something like this "easy" to do, would >catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for >many school districts. > > > I have run Inspiration on a K12 box using wine. It's been some time, since I did, but I did, and I know it can still be done. Inspiration can be a valuable tool in the classroom, for sure. tony From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Feb 8 02:50:30 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:50:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <420828F6.4040409@snet.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Of course, you could simply move away from titles like Reader Rabbit, >> Oregon Trail, etc. If these companies care about the lost sales, >>they'll get in line. Besides, the way I learned to read was by >>reading actual books, and I'm not all that old. Is reading actual >>books not considered "good" anymore? >> >> > >Funny you say that. I myself have installed this software on a few thousand >machines, but can honestly say I have never used the software myself. So I >personally have no idea what the big deal is with the software. And I really >get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more money for books, when I >just about never see a student reading a real book anymore. In fact, I'll bet >in a couple years some students won't know you you mean when you say the word >"book" :-) > >And more ironic thing is that I have tried to get around the need for specific >software by asking teachers/admins to document the computer skills the are >attempting to teach the kids at each grade level, but come to find out no one >knows what they are trying to teach, just that they have a curriculum with >lesson plans setup by someone else and they just teach what they have. So if >you don't know what you are teaching, what the heck is the point? > > > > Some really valid points there. Some of the software mentioned is useful, though. Inspiration can be used for a variety of things, such as developing outlines from graphical webs, etc. For some students, the graphical web is easier to conceptualize, but, then seeing it transformed to a linear outline helps them to make sense of outlining. Etc. It is a very useful product. I'm an English teacher, myself, and have made much use of it. I've never used any computer games as a teaching tool, but I have allowed children to play games as a reward, and made educational games available. (Sure, Kbounce is VERY educational, isn't it?) I've used computers extensively in my own curriculum, but what I was teaching was not computer skills (okay, some may have learned computer skills "viacriously"), but research skills, writing skills, organizing skills, reading skills, critical thinking skills, even logic. Having software available for various multimedia projects allowed students room to be creative in expressing what they'd learned, too, and did afford some the opportunity to develop new computer skills along the way. (And I still send children to the library to research in books, too, and require that they read. I have to say, though, that I've found the libraries in the schools where I've worked very meager, and, accordingly, much more information was available through online sources.) But I can do all of that on a Linux box without proprietary software. There are even tools to do much of what Inspiration does, as far as webbing/outlining/organizing. tony http://www.school-library.net Freedom to Learn! From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Feb 8 02:53:08 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:53:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42082994.4010300@snet.net> Access Systems wrote: >On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>>Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;) >>> >>>Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere >>>(like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be >>>influencial already on this list? >>> >>> >>If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is it is >>all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. I am sure there are plenty of >>statistics for how many Windows and Mac users there are. But just like was >>discussed on this list last week there probably isn't as many numbers backing >>up Linux or K12LTSP. >> >> > >unfortunately all data would be wrong, well maybe the Mac numbers would >be close. but since almost all computers today are sold with some version >of Windows installed. so they are all counted, but there is no indication >and probably no way of knowing how many of those computers are used mostly >if not exclusively in some version of open source software...and since >most Linux installations are shared software installs, there is no real >way to count how many systems have Linux, for example. I have personally >installed linux on a number of other peoples computers, I have never >reported either my installation or any of these other installs to anyone, >so I doubt there is any way to count. > >Bob > > > > > http://counter.li.org/ (probably not very accurate, and way underestimated). tony http://www.school-library.net Freedom to Learn! From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 02:58:39 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First Installation In-Reply-To: <000d01c50d41$c98d8ea0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050208025839.37679.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I don't change anything, just do default setup configuration. Yes I'm using single NIC. I have no problem to mounting(/opt/ltsp/i386,/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles) from another distro to LTSP server(Just to check the share is working) Regards ~pap --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > and here is: > > # more /etc/exports > > /opt/ltsp/i386 > > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > Is this a single NIC install? I think the standard > export would be: > /opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > Did you change the IP of the internal NIC during the > install? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Steven at Stevensantos.com Tue Feb 8 03:12:42 2005 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:12:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207234522.1066F73DD9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <003901c50d8c$0e7f3f50$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> > If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is > it is all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. > So right now they can calculate how much income would could possibly be > gained at x amount for software multiplied by %y of available users z. > If we could give them an idea of how large a number z is maybe they could > see a real potential which will drive them down this road. > I am all for free and open source, but in order for them to want to > produce software for this market maybe we need to somehow convey a > willingness to pay for task specific software, You know, I only see 3 or 4 titles mentioned for this over and over again. Given that the biggest immediate need is only for these 3 or 4 products, their are 2 alternatives that we could explore. The first is going in as a group, and saying to the vendor that if X,Y and/or Z are ported for Linux, that their are this many schools willing to buy this many licenses today. More flies with Honey and all. The second option is for someone to approach the folks at Code Weavers. They may be willing to build (and update, and market) a version of CO Server for schools. It looks like Accelerated Reader, Carmen SanDeigo and Reader Rabbit are on the list of apps people have gotten to run on COS, and it looks like they would support it if they got people willing to buy. Food for thought. From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Feb 8 04:05:56 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:05:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, IE6 and Java In-Reply-To: <4207AB1C.8070009@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050207170024.C71AB744C4@hormel.redhat.com> <4207AB1C.8070009@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <42083AA4.70404@cox.net> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> >> >> Why, in the name of God, would you ever run that >> >>> insecure POS on a Linux system? Seriously. Just get Firefox >>> working before >>> someone hacks your system. >>> >> >> > Yeah, that's exactly the kind of "Microsoft is evil" stuff I was > hoping to avoid. > All bashing aside, why would you use IE for a web-app that uses Java? Does the app specifically require the MS jvm? The MS jvm is a derivitave of the old 1.14 jvm from 7 years ago. There have been huge leaps in java in that time, and most browsers on Linux have supported newer virtual machines for several years. It seems a little odd to emulate a browser to run an app that runs bytecode in a virtual machine in protected memory. Luis From scott at hosef.org Tue Feb 8 03:56:20 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:56:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way Message-ID: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> I'd like to share with you how we have organized in Hawaii to create more education opportunities for our children. I am not a teacher. I do not sell software or hardware. I try very hard to teach schools and non-profits how they can build a culture of self-reliance and sustainability by using OSS, recycled computer equipment, and the existing braintrust in their organization or community. I do not get paid. Like many others, I want to earn money from OSS. I see how much our schools already spend, and it easy to see my share. The thing is, I'm afraid. I'm afraid that if I use my entrpreneurialism to extract a few more dollars that belong in the hands of a teacher or a principal that the decay of America's education infrastructure will become more eminent. I am afraid that if we don't provide more hope to our youth by showing them that *they* can install a server, set up a lab, and then do it for the school next door, then we may never again educate another programmer like Eric. I am afraid to profit from our schools when they need so much help from people like us. That is not the HOSEF way. Just like the rest of you in your respective school districts, we have a great and diverse group of folks in Hawaii who care about OSS and education. Just like every other state, we have a LUG. We decided a few years ago that we needed an entity to provide the charitable back-end to our efforts, and I'd love to see every state do the same thing. You see, software developers are lucky. By working together on programs, they have something around which they can organize. Those of us completely unwilling to program anything beyond the /etc directory can feel left out when looking for ways to help. To give average folks like myself a way to learn about linux while helping our schools, I founded HOSEF, The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation. We have a simple mission: to promote and sustain the use of Open Source Software through advocacy, outreach, support, and the accumulation, restoration, and contribution of donated computer hardware from the general public. Incorporated as a non-profit, we have 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. This enables UH to provide mirror capacity, for local schools to donate storage space, and for local businesses to write off their donated computer equipment. By donating computer labs to numerous schools, we now use these very facilities on weekends for meetings, classes, and "to turn the wheel of refurbishment." Think of it as your LUG in Action. By organizing around a charitable mission like recycling hardware for use as thin clients, you can build competency, promote Linux, and bridge the proverbial digital divide. Plus, you get to meet one another, interact, and to build and grow your social network. Make no mistake, though. Giving schools hardware with no chance at self-reliance simply perpetuates the problematic culture of support dependency. We like to say that 16% of what we do is give away hardware. From there we focus on classes, support, training, and competency with the goal being to teach the school not to need anyone but itself for support and its community for computers. Easier said that done, but imagine the financial ramifications for our schools. Just as anyone who ever open sourced their app has learned, it is amazing who will come out of the woodwork to help if you give them the chance. We have certainly learned this with HOSEF as we continue to find more and more people who want to help. Can we help every school, right now, for free, if they want to use OSS? No. Not yet. Are we self-sustaining beyond the goodwill of a bunch of volunteers? No, not yet. But, isn't this kind of like any OSS project where the main supporters actually earn their income from other sources? Isn't your state's school money better spent on curricula enhancing applications and documentation instead of commodity hardware and software? Think about it. Organize Incorporate Get tax-exempt status Recycle and Donate PCs Install and Sustain OSS Watch your local economy grow Go make money off of the private sector Support your favorite OSS project Organize... --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Feb 8 04:04:22 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:04:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub Message-ID: <42083A46.8040808@execulink.com> Has anyone had the problem of the master boot record corrupting? Is there a way of rebuilding it? Jason From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 05:16:10 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:16:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] beta2: problems with apt-get and yum Message-ID: <9bd3175605020721162dbe8008@mail.gmail.com> I'm having trouble with apt-get and yum. After trying apt-get: The following NEW packages will be installed: caching-nameserver-ltsp (7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0) fltk (1.1.4-0.fdr.8.2) gtkglarea (1.2.2-19) linc (1.0.3-3.1) 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 removed and 126 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/432kB of archives. After unpacking 1052kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Checking GPG signatures... Committing changes... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /etc/named.conf from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 file /var/named/localhost.zone from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 file /var/named/named.ca from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 E: Error while running transaction I guess I've been putting this off for a while. Here's the output from yum update: Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: freshrpms repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2200/2200 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 273 kB 00:01 MD Read : ################################################## 659/659 updates-re: ################################################## 659/659 freshrpms : ################################################## 477/477 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. 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to be updated ---> Package tetex-fonts.i386 0:2.0.2-21.3 set to be updated ---> Package tetex-doc.i386 0:2.0.2-21.3 set to be updated ---> Package alsa-lib.i386 0:1.0.6-7.FC3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libgpgme.so.6 for package: sylpheed --> Processing Dependency: libgdkglext-x11-1.0.so.0 for package: celestia --> Processing Dependency: apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp.0.4.2 for package: apt-python --> Processing Dependency: libgtkglext-x11-1.0.so.0 for package: celestia --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package gpgme03.i386 0:0.3.16-1.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Package gtkglext.i386 0:1.0.6-1.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp.0.4.2 for package: apt-python --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp.0.4.2 for pkg apt-python Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks, Peter From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Feb 8 05:29:32 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:29:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way In-Reply-To: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> References: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> Message-ID: <42084E3C.5050301@magic.fr> Doing it already :) I'm still surprised by the number of people who have never heard of LTSP or for that matter LTSP... I use the computer club at my school to get the word out... I'd recommend that any LTSP admin enlist the computer club to help them get the word out... I've got a couple of students who have set up LTSP in their homes for their family... The trick of course is making it as easy as possible AND show quantifiable and qualified improvements in work and learning environment. best to all , Dennis R. Scott Belford wrote: > I'd like to share with you how we have organized in Hawaii to create > more education opportunities for our children. > > I am not a teacher. I do not sell software or hardware. I try very > hard to teach schools and non-profits how they can build a culture of > self-reliance and sustainability by using OSS, recycled computer > equipment, and the existing braintrust in their organization or > community. I do not get paid. > > Like many others, I want to earn money from OSS. I see how much our > schools already spend, and it easy to see my share. The thing is, I'm > afraid. > > I'm afraid that if I use my entrpreneurialism to extract a few more > dollars that belong in the hands of a teacher or a principal that the > decay of America's education infrastructure will become more eminent. > I am afraid that if we don't provide more hope to our youth by showing > them that *they* can install a server, set up a lab, and then do it > for the school next door, then we may never again educate another > programmer like Eric. I am afraid to profit from our schools when > they need so much help from people like us. That is not the HOSEF way. > > Just like the rest of you in your respective school districts, we have > a great and diverse group of folks in Hawaii who care about OSS and > education. Just like every other state, we have a LUG. We decided a > few years ago that we needed an entity to provide the charitable > back-end to our efforts, and I'd love to see every state do the same > thing. > > You see, software developers are lucky. By working together on > programs, they have something around which they can organize. Those > of us completely unwilling to program anything beyond the /etc > directory can feel left out when looking for ways to help. > > To give average folks like myself a way to learn about linux while > helping our schools, I founded HOSEF, The Hawaii Open Source Education > Foundation. We have a simple mission: to promote and sustain the use > of Open Source Software through advocacy, outreach, support, and the > accumulation, restoration, and contribution of donated computer > hardware from the general public. > > Incorporated as a non-profit, we have 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. > This enables UH to provide mirror capacity, for local schools to > donate storage space, and for local businesses to write off their > donated computer equipment. By donating computer labs to numerous > schools, we now use these very facilities on weekends for meetings, > classes, and "to turn the wheel of refurbishment." > > Think of it as your LUG in Action. By organizing around a charitable > mission like recycling hardware for use as thin clients, you can build > competency, promote Linux, and bridge the proverbial digital divide. > Plus, you get to meet one another, interact, and to build and grow > your social network. > > Make no mistake, though. Giving schools hardware with no chance at > self-reliance simply perpetuates the problematic culture of support > dependency. We like to say that 16% of what we do is give away > hardware. From there we focus on classes, support, training, and > competency with the goal being to teach the school not to need anyone > but itself for support and its community for computers. Easier said > that done, but imagine the financial ramifications for our schools. > > Just as anyone who ever open sourced their app has learned, it is > amazing who will come out of the woodwork to help if you give them the > chance. We have certainly learned this with HOSEF as we continue to > find more and more people who want to help. > > Can we help every school, right now, for free, if they want to use > OSS? No. Not yet. Are we self-sustaining beyond the goodwill of a > bunch of volunteers? No, not yet. But, isn't this kind of like any > OSS project where the main supporters actually earn their income from > other sources? Isn't your state's school money better spent on > curricula enhancing applications and documentation instead of > commodity hardware and software? > > Think about it. > > Organize > Incorporate > Get tax-exempt status > Recycle and Donate PCs > Install and Sustain OSS > Watch your local economy grow > Go make money off of the private sector > Support your favorite OSS project > Organize... > > > --scott > -- lost and found here: www.dennisgdaniels.com From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Tue Feb 8 06:12:27 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:12:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC Message-ID: <1107843147.4208584baf82c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, It was flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it manually any more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can I use the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? Mark Sarria From robark at telus.net Tue Feb 8 06:27:29 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:27:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way In-Reply-To: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> References: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> Message-ID: <42085BD1.5050101@telus.net> R. Scott Belford wrote: > I'd like to share with you how we have organized in Hawaii to create > more education opportunities for our children. > > ...... Articulate and insightful. More districts should follow your lead. Well done Hawaii ! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From scott at hosef.org Tue Feb 8 07:20:22 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:20:22 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub In-Reply-To: <42083A46.8040808@execulink.com> References: <42083A46.8040808@execulink.com> Message-ID: <42086836.2010200@hosef.org> Jason wrote: > Has anyone had the problem of the master boot record corrupting? Is > there a way of rebuilding it? I have done the wrong thing to my MBR before. Typing this grub-install /dev/hdX (or sdX, mdX) from a system with a health menu.lst will rebuild it. If it is so corrupt that you cannot boot from it, this http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm was very well done and can guide you through creating a boot floppy after the fact. > > Jason --scott From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 07:54:22 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:54:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way In-Reply-To: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> References: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> Message-ID: Scott: I feel a little betrayed. You asked me to donate a server for use at your recent conference. It cost me $300 to ship it to Hawaii for you, and it will cost me the same to get it back. You asked me to cover those costs. If I can't make a profit from Linux thin client, I can't afford to supply a demonstration server. Are you only comfortable accepting donations from companies making a profit outside of schools? With no profits, there is no advertising, no phone support, no emergency technical support, no direct accountability. Granted, this technology exists because of generous individuals who have donated their time. But it will likely stay a fringe technology if you continue to portray that it is not right to have profitable companies coexist with the volunteer support. To portray that "entrpreneurialism ... extract[s] a few more dollars that belong in the hands of a teacher or a principal that the decay of America's education infrastructure will become more eminent" is to leave the computer technology of 120,000 US schools in the hands of volunteers. I love the "idea." But call any of our school customers, especially the school boards, and ask them if they would feel comfortable with that, and you'll find out how much you've limited the growth of LTSP. You actually do charge your customers. You charge them for server hardware. You buy it from NewEgg. Would you have NewEgg not make a profit on those sales? Of course not, because you need them to be profitable to be able to continue to provide good product and stand behind it. I personally applaud what you have done. But I think you run as great a risk in your model as you see in the for-profit one. The risk that not working to find a revenue model--and actually seeming to say that making a profit is not appropriate--will lead to driving out the very entrepenurial energy than can expand the use of Linux thin client. I have sold used computer equipment for 16 years. Some years we have sold close to 10,000 computers to schools, saving them significant amounts of money. Believe me--I haven't gotten rich doing it. There are also non-profit refurbishers providing schools with computers. The total volume from the handful of "for-profit" resellers to schools is probably greater than the combined volume 400 non-profit refurbishers doing the same thing. Would you have us shut down our operations just because we are "for-profit?" I don't think that would benefit anyone, least of all the schools. Some of the "non-profits" actually charge more than we do to provide the school with a computer. They call it "cost-recovery." The Canadian government supplies 80,000 computers a year to their schools through their "non-profit" refurbishment program. It actually costs them 3 times what it does anyone else to "refurbish" those computers. For all the faults of for-profit companies, the non-profit model can have its own inefficiencies. This is a unique time and opportunity. When I am talking to schools about LTSP, they are responsive and have heard a lot more about Linux in the last six months than they ever did in the last six years. We have a chance to really make a difference for schools, and I think the only way we will be able to do so it to find a way to work together--the "for-profits" and the "non-profits." I think you have a cadre of "for-profits" on this list who are interested in playing a thoughtful role in the development of LTSP. Please don't alienate us. Steve -- Steve Hargadon www.TechnologyRescue.com 916-899-1400 direct From scott at hosef.org Tue Feb 8 08:24:48 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:24:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way In-Reply-To: References: <42083864.3060204@hosef.org> Message-ID: <42087750.2090109@hosef.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: > Scott: > > I feel a little betrayed. > > You asked me to donate a server for use at your recent conference. It > cost me $300 to ship it to Hawaii for you, and it will cost me the > same to get it back. You asked me to cover those costs. If I can't > make a profit from Linux thin client, I can't afford to supply a > demonstration server. Are you only comfortable accepting donations > from companies making a profit outside of schools? I asked if you wanted to provide a server for the thin-client email garden HOSEF set up for the Pacific Telecommunication Conference. These were business attendees at a business conference using Linux as thin clients. A UH professor and friend started this event 24 years ago, and they let us do this to promote the use of recycled computers. I thought that it would be of economic value for your business, and I was eager to include your logo in the flyer that we distributed. The server certainly benefited us, but I really thought that this was of economic value to you. This was not about a freebie for us, Steve, this was about brand identity for your business. At the end of PTC, and prior to TPOSSCON, we actually had John Terpstra, Bruce Perens, Jon "maddog" Hall, and Robin 'roblimo' Miller hanging around this email garden and interacting with the delegates. The thin-client technology was a big hit, and I really wish you had taken me up on my offer to join us. This was all about business so that kind people like you can afford to do what you do for schools. > only way we will be able to do so it to find a way to work > together--the "for-profits" and the "non-profits." I think you have a > cadre of "for-profits" on this list who are interested in playing a > thoughtful role in the development of LTSP. Please don't alienate us. It is obvious that for-profit companies and entrepreneurs will always fill inefficiencies in the free-market. Thank goodness. I am not talking about this year's earnings or 10-year business plans. I am talking about changing how we think about servicing and sustaining commodity hardware and software solutions in education. The for-profit focus needs to be on the 'middleware', the education-enhancing curricula, adding value to generic OSS solutions, and writing alternatives to the popular must-have titles. > > Steve > > Aloha --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From nbs at sonic.net Tue Feb 8 08:41:40 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:41:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605020714497375128@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <9bd3175605020714497375128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050208084140.GD14380@sonic.net> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:49:18PM -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > Slashdot is how I learned about K12linux through an article about > Hosef. (thanks Scott). Sorry for confusion. :^) What I meant by "advertise this movement" was not: "adveritse the K12LTSP project" to teachers and IT people, but rather: "make sure that teachers who use K12LTSP contact software vendors who publish educational software for Windows and/or Mac, but not (yet) Linux, so that those vendors know there is demand for Linux ports" *whew* :^) Sorry for the ambiguity! ;) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 8 10:55:31 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:55:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sample dhcpd.conf needed -- and a question Message-ID: <20050208105531.7634E3972@mprdmxin.myway.com> Hi guys. I don't have a spare box to do my own install to get this. I need to see a copy of the default dhcpd.conf file that K12LTSP creates. If anybody could post or email theirs (or point me to one that's on the web), that would be great. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 11:10:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:10:10 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone tried the smbldap-installer script with Suse 9.x Message-ID: <01b601c50dce$c187be50$65c8a8c0@brianwork> We currently run all our main internal servers on Suse 9.0 or 9.1. I have setup a sandbox system using the K12LTSP but I'd really like the server when in goes into use to be SUSE 9.1. I have had a look through the dictro_data.pm file but I'm having troulbe finding a couple of the files. I have found the following so far from the CD's / DVD and off the web DVD/suse/i586 perl-Convert-BER-1.3101-190.i586.rpm perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-147.i586.rpm perl-Unicode-String-2.07-128.i586.rpm gcc-3.3.3-41.i586.rpm binutils-2.15.90.0.1.1-31.i586.rpm glibc-devel-2.3.3-98.i586.rpm perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-66.i586.rpm openldap2-2.2.6-34.i586.rpm perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.95-28.i586.rpm perl-Net_SSLeay-1.25-25.i586.rpm samba-common samba ...... file/rpms/ smbldap-tools perl-Unicode-MapUTF8 perl-Jcode-0.83 perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-XML-SAX perl-Unicode-Map /source rpms perl-Crypt-SmbHash.src.rpm glibc-kernel-headers-2.6.1.2-1.src.rpm MISSING perl-XML-SAX-Base ??? glibc-headers Any idea's where to start looking. Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 8 12:14:48 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:14:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP Message-ID: <20050208121448.8B1053A49@mprdmxin.myway.com> I think if you found a software company that felt that they were about to be trounced by their competition, you might have some luck getting them to port to linux. For instance, if MS put out a knock-off of "Reader Rabbit", then the makers of Reader Rabbit might start to get a little nervous and starting looking into other markets. But a company who is already selling to everybody in the Windows world has little reason to port their work to another platform. That's real work! They'd be much happier just selling copies of the same old thing to the Windows community. Search out the underdogs and ask them to produce software for linux. -Rob --- On Mon 02/07, Jim Kronebusch < jim at winonacotter.org > wrote: From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto: jim at winonacotter.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:08:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" > Well, what's everyone (else) waiting for? ;)
>
> Should we perhaps 'advertise' this movement on the K12LTSP site or elsewhere
> (like DesktopLinux.com or *cringe* Slashdot), or is everyone who'd be
> influencial already on this list?

If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is it is
all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. I am sure there are plenty of
statistics for how many Windows and Mac users there are. But just like was
discussed on this list last week there probably isn't as many numbers backing
up Linux or K12LTSP. So right now they can calculate how much income would
could possibly be gained at x amount for software multiplied by %y of
available users z. If we could give them an idea of how large a number z is
maybe they could see a real potential which will drive them down this road.
Right now I suppose they know where the road of MS and Mac will lead them.
Maybe it is as simple as! paving a road with real statistics on systems,
workstations, in service. And they may also be shy due to the push for free
open source software. The general expectation from most linux users is if the
os is free, and most software is free, why would I buy any, lets find a free
version. I am all for free and open source, but in order for them to want to
produce software for this market maybe we need to somehow convey a willingness
to pay for task specific software, without the release of the source (the
response for saying that will most likely hurt). Not that I am for that, but
if I have a company that has made a certain task specific software for x
amount of years, the thought of having to release all of the code to move to
another platform would most likely stear me clear and hang out supporting
platforms where my code can remain anonymous.

I think these are most likely the hurdles we are facing. And a single person
or group! most likely won't spead as loud as statistics. Luckily with! some bi g
compaines taking on Linux and mainstream commercials by comanies such as IBM
should be starting to get their attention.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Tue Feb 8 12:25:15 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 08 Feb 2005 17:55:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sample dhcpd.conf needed -- and a question Message-ID: <1107865515.2760.41.camel@bp5575> Dear Rob actually it is not so difficult to have your own dhcp installed and use it with ltsp, instead of depending on dhcp file from ltsp package. dhcp from ltsp package provides dhcpd.conf in /etc directory while if you install your dhcp server, i mean dhcp server package from your distribution it will provide complete file/installation along with a sample file, you will have a sample file as /usr/share/doc/dhcp-3.0pl1/dhcpd.conf.sample. after installing this package. just copy this in /etc directory as dhcpd.conf and configure it as per your requirements. NOTE:- you need to install dhcp sever package, since ltsp will give you only dhcpd.conf. regards Bimal Pandit From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Feb 8 12:56:04 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:56:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sata drives Message-ID: <4208B6E4.10002@msln.net> Has anyone tried the seagate barracuda 7200.7 120GB sata drives. I have a ich5r controller. I can get suse to boot past them with playing with the bios. No other distribution will get past them unless I disconnect them. Then when I put them back on, it sees them, but will not use them. I figured I just had the setup for the ich5r wrong. As it turns out, I swapped in a Hitachi 160GB deskstar, and everyone is happy. Problem is I ordered theses drives with the computer (Daktek) to use as a Backuppc server for the LTSP and Beyond. I'm just cheap and want to use these!I tried firmware updates, but they are up todate, Different controller maybe? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Feb 8 13:16:41 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:16:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: >>> And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more >>> money >>> for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book >>> anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't >>> know >>> you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) >> >> At which point we all will have failed miserably in our jobs as >> educators. > > I'm sure they said the same thing when clay tablets went out of > style. > Yes, but we still know what clay tablets ARE. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 13:36:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:36:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC In-Reply-To: <1107843147.4208584baf82c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <1107843147.4208584baf82c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 1:12 AM +0000 wrote: >My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, >It was >flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it >manually any >more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can >I use >the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? Not sure...as I haven't tried it....first things first :-) But....I do know you can have a slave ldap server....there will be some things you'll have to edit by hand in many of the conf files. Take a look on the idealx.org site to see if there's a how-to or something David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 13:36:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:36:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC In-Reply-To: <1107843147.4208584baf82c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> References: <1107843147.4208584baf82c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 1:12 AM +0000 wrote: >My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, >It was >flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it >manually any >more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can >I use >the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? Not sure...as I haven't tried it....first things first :-) But....I do know you can have a slave ldap server....there will be some things you'll have to edit by hand in many of the conf files. Take a look on the idealx.org site to see if there's a how-to or something David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 14:14:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:14:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <4207D575.7030301@hosef.org> <4207FA84.2090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > < > <1107822245.27897.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 07, 2005 at 9:05 PM +0000 wrote: >The hint has been officially noted. > >However, as I hinted earlier, I may not have a lot of time in the >next couple weeks to add specific new features to K12LTSP... But >don't dispair, interesting things are happening in the background ;-) > >-Eric Eric, Don't feel the need to rush...I want to make sure it gets some good testing before we do that....I feel confident, but then again, Matt and I felt confident before the "profiles" bug came up too (and that was a show-stopper). We'll run it through it's paces....get some feedback from folks and then it should be good to go. Not having looked under the hood of Directory Administrator....we should see if there's a config file that we can auto-config based on responses from the smbldap-installer. That way folks can fire up DA and go nuts :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 14:14:18 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <420828F6.4040409@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050208141418.74678.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> --- anthony baldwin wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>Of course, you could simply move away from titles > like Reader Rabbit, > >> Oregon Trail, etc. If these companies care about > the lost sales, > >>they'll get in line. Besides, the way I learned > to read was by > >>reading actual books, and I'm not all that old. > Is reading actual > >>books not considered "good" anymore? > >> > >> > > > >Funny you say that. I myself have installed this > software on a few thousand > >machines, but can honestly say I have never used > the software myself. So I > >personally have no idea what the big deal is with > the software. And I really > >get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more > money for books, when I > >just about never see a student reading a real book > anymore. In fact, I'll bet > >in a couple years some students won't know you you > mean when you say the word > >"book" :-) > > > >And more ironic thing is that I have tried to get > around the need for specific > >software by asking teachers/admins to document the > computer skills the are > >attempting to teach the kids at each grade level, > but come to find out no one > >knows what they are trying to teach, just that they > have a curriculum with > >lesson plans setup by someone else and they just > teach what they have. So if > >you don't know what you are teaching, what the heck > is the point? > > > > > > > > > Some really valid points there. > Some of the software mentioned is useful, though. > Inspiration can be > used for a variety of things, > such as developing outlines from graphical webs, > etc. For some > students, the graphical web > is easier to conceptualize, but, then seeing it > transformed to a linear > outline helps them to make sense of outlining. > Etc. It is a very useful product. > I'm an English teacher, myself, and have made much > use of it. I've > never used any computer games as a teaching tool, > but I have allowed children to play games as a > reward, and made > educational games available. > (Sure, Kbounce is VERY educational, isn't it?) > I've used computers extensively in my own > curriculum, but what I was > teaching was not computer skills > (okay, some may have learned computer skills > "viacriously"), but > research skills, writing skills, organizing skills, > reading skills, > critical thinking skills, even logic. > Having software available for various multimedia > projects allowed > students room to be creative in expressing what > they'd learned, too, > and did afford some the opportunity to develop new > computer skills along > the way. > (And I still send children to the library to > research in books, too, and > require that they read. > I have to say, though, that I've found the libraries > in the schools > where I've worked very meager, and, accordingly, > much more information was available through online > sources.) > But I can do all of that on a Linux box without > proprietary software. > There are even tools to do much of what Inspiration > does, as far as > webbing/outlining/organizing. > > tony > > http://www.school-library.net > Freedom to Learn! tony - what do you use in place of Inspiration? This is one of the main apps that I'd like to use in my LTSP labs for my middle schools kids... also, would you mind if I had my Language Arts teacher email you about how you use your classroom lab? ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 14:16:30 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:16:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <420824CC.7000901@snet.net> Message-ID: <20050208141630.75527.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> --- anthony baldwin wrote: > richard ingalls wrote: > > >I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add > 4 > >"new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural > >school district, using old and donated hardware > (but > >new servers). I LOVE that my students can login > >anywhere and have all their files and even their > >customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew > it > >was coming, right?) > > > >In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" > software > >that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like > >"Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart > >Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was > a > >way to run this software on the Linux server using > >wine and make it available to all the users, THEN > >K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for > >schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle > >schools). > > > >Has anyone successfully installed these types of > >"edutainment" apps on their servers and made them > >available to all the users? If so, HOW? > > > >I think making something like this "easy" to do, > would > >catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for > >many school districts. > > > > > > > I have run Inspiration on a K12 box using wine. > It's been some time, since I did, but I did, and I > know it can still be > done. > Inspiration can be a valuable tool in the classroom, > for sure. > > tony tony - do you remember any of the specifics of how you set it up in wine? How did you make it available for all users? thanks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 8 14:26:40 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:26:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <4208CC20.5080805@maltzen.net> Note that the two most commonly used applications, OpenOffice.org and Mozilla/Firefox, don't lend themselves to open-mosix clusters, the problem being of the apps won't migrate from one node to another as needed. There was some discussion of this on the list about a year ago, so check the archives. An alternative way to spread the load over multiple servers would be to dedicate each app to its own server, and have the LTSP server just provide the users' desktops. Petre Paul Satherley wrote: > Sharon Betts wrote: > >> Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >> plans? >> >> I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >> business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps and >> >> > LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that > in mind. > > My idea for a design would to create LTSP Nodes ie (Ltsp-mosix + 2 cpu > (64 bit) +4G ram + switch (32 x (10/100) + 1x 1000) Mbps ports > These server would located in the wiring closest with rack mounted 2U > servers with a 32 10/100/1000 switch for 32 clients. > > the server would connect back via gigabit to a centrally sited say > (e-smith-mosix) server with large SCSI raid fast single cpu 4G ram > and tape backup or dual layer DVD rewriter ..this would do your domain > /homes /ldap-/samba and mail, squidguard etc... > because the Nodes are identical and modular management and replacement > in the event of failure would be straightforward. > > ideally your clients would all be the same... say 17"LCD with built in > Amd Geodes with 64M Ram nice and tidy. > > I your main office you would have another e-smith server identical the > the school ones (for simplicity) > you would setup management (e-smith server-manger etc ) rsync critical > stuff... sit back and admire your empire... > > now all you need is to fill in the blanks > Eric is trialling 64 bit ltsp..... throw in mosix?? excellent.. > throw in working LDAP authentication > e-smith has excelent design and is rock solid > .. > cheers > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 8 14:26:38 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way Message-ID: <20050208142638.D782C396E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Scott, In my opinion, it is not unreasonable for you to be paid for your time. After all, the teachers get paid, don't they? The real charity is that you are teaching the school how to handle their own IT needs. If you were charging for your services but keeping details of the inner workings of the IT structure to yourself, then you might be labelled as profiteering. But charging for your services and teaching the school to do it without you is certainly charity in my book. -Rob --- On Mon 02/07, R. Scott Belford < scott at hosef.org > wrote: From: R. Scott Belford [mailto: scott at hosef.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:56:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] The HOSEF Way I'd like to share with you how we have organized in Hawaii to create
more education opportunities for our children.

I am not a teacher. I do not sell software or hardware. I try very
hard to teach schools and non-profits how they can build a culture of
self-reliance and sustainability by using OSS, recycled computer
equipment, and the existing braintrust in their organization or
community. I do not get paid.

Like many others, I want to earn money from OSS. I see how much our
schools already spend, and it easy to see my share. The thing is, I'm
afraid.

I'm afraid that if I use my entrpreneurialism to extract a few more
dollars that belong in the hands of a teacher or a principal that the
decay of America's education infrastructure will become more eminent. I
am afraid that if we don't provide more hope to our youth by showing
them that *they* can install a server, set up a lab, and then do it for
the s! chool next door, then we may never again educate another programmer
like Eric. I am afraid to profit from our schools when they need so
much help from people like us. That is not the HOSEF way.

Just like the rest of you in your respective school districts, we have a
great and diverse group of folks in Hawaii who care about OSS and
education. Just like every other state, we have a LUG. We decided a
few years ago that we needed an entity to provide the charitable
back-end to our efforts, and I'd love to see every state do the same thing.

You see, software developers are lucky. By working together on
programs, they have something around which they can organize. Those of
us completely unwilling to program anything beyond the /etc directory
can feel left out when looking for ways to help.

To give average folks like myself a way to learn about linux while
helping our schools, I founded HOSEF, The Hawaii Open Source! Education
Foundation. We have a simple mission: to prom! ote and sustain the use of
Open Source Software through advocacy, outreach, support, and the
accumulation, restoration, and contribution of donated computer hardware
from the general public.

Incorporated as a non-profit, we have 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. This
enables UH to provide mirror capacity, for local schools to donate
storage space, and for local businesses to write off their donated
computer equipment. By donating computer labs to numerous schools, we
now use these very facilities on weekends for meetings, classes, and "to
turn the wheel of refurbishment."

Think of it as your LUG in Action. By organizing around a charitable
mission like recycling hardware for use as thin clients, you can build
competency, promote Linux, and bridge the proverbial digital divide.
Plus, you get to meet one another, interact, and to build and grow your
social network.

Make no mistake, though. Giving schools hardware wi! th no chance at
self-reliance simply perpetuates the problematic culture of support
dependency. We like to say that 16% of what we do is give away
hardware. From there we focus on classes, support, training, and
competency with the goal being to teach the school not to need anyone
but itself for support and its community for computers. Easier said
that done, but imagine the financial ramifications for our schools.

Just as anyone who ever open sourced their app has learned, it is
amazing who will come out of the woodwork to help if you give them the
chance. We have certainly learned this with HOSEF as we continue to
find more and more people who want to help.

Can we help every school, right now, for free, if they want to use OSS?
No. Not yet. Are we self-sustaining beyond the goodwill of a bunch
of volunteers? No, not yet. But, isn't this kind of like any OSS
project where the main supporters actually earn! their income from other
sources? Isn't your state's sch! ool mone y better spent on curricula
enhancing applications and documentation instead of commodity hardware
and software?

Think about it.

Organize
Incorporate
Get tax-exempt status
Recycle and Donate PCs
Install and Sustain OSS
Watch your local economy grow
Go make money off of the private sector
Support your favorite OSS project
Organize...


--scott

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R. Scott Belford
Founder/Director
The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation
PO Box 392
Kailua, HI 96734
808.689.6518 phone/fax
scott at hosef.org

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 8 14:33:53 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:33:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <003901c50d8c$0e7f3f50$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <003901c50d8c$0e7f3f50$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <4208CDD1.1050305@earthlink.net> Steven Santos wrote: >>If the software companies run their business like I run mine my guess is >>it is all hinging on numbers we don't have yet. >> >> > > > > > >>So right now they can calculate how much income would could possibly be >>gained at x amount for software multiplied by %y of available users z. >>If we could give them an idea of how large a number z is maybe they could >>see a real potential which will drive them down this road. >> >> > > > > > >>I am all for free and open source, but in order for them to want to >>produce software for this market maybe we need to somehow convey a >>willingness to pay for task specific software, >> >> > >You know, I only see 3 or 4 titles mentioned for this over and over again. >Given that the biggest immediate need is only for these 3 or 4 products, >their are 2 alternatives that we could explore. > >The first is going in as a group, and saying to the vendor that if X,Y >and/or Z are ported for Linux, that their are this many schools willing to >buy this many licenses today. More flies with Honey and all. > >The second option is for someone to approach the folks at Code Weavers. >They may be willing to build (and update, and market) a version of CO Server >for schools. It looks like Accelerated Reader, Carmen SanDeigo and Reader >Rabbit are on the list of apps people have gotten to run on COS, and it >looks like they would support it if they got people willing to buy. > >Food for thought. > > > > I posted last week about some software that comes with the math curriculum developed by TERC called Investigations. http://investigations.scottforesman.com/software/index.html We purchased this curriculum and now can't use pieces of it. Kind of disappointing. We thought about trying to find a substitute, or maybe seeing if it would run with Wine. Just thought I'd throw this out as an example -- it is a Logo program that works with specific "units" in the book having to do with geometry. (Anyone out there remember using Logo years ago?) Rita Gibson RMSELTech From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 8 15:01:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:01:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First Installation In-Reply-To: <20050208025839.37679.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c50def$0c572630$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > > and here is: > > > # more /etc/exports > > > /opt/ltsp/i386 > > > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > > > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > > > Is this a single NIC install? I think the standard > > export would be: > > /opt/ltsp/i386 > > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > > > Did you change the IP of the internal NIC during the > > install? > > > Hi Jim, > I don't change anything, > just do default setup configuration. > Yes I'm using single NIC. > > I have no problem to > mounting(/opt/ltsp/i386,/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles) from > another distro to LTSP server(Just to check the share > is working) This is very odd if you didn't change anything. If your internal NIC had the default of 192.168.0.254 assigned to it I don't get how a 192.168.2.x network could have gotten assigned in /etc/exports. Is your /etc/dhcpd.conf file also setup with the 192.168.2.x networks? If so do the following: I am not sure what the IP scheme is for the network you are plugging your single NIC setup into but lets assume it is 192.168.0.x/255.255.255.0. Check to be sure your eth0 (or whatever NIC is setup on your LAN with the clients) is set to 192.168.0.254 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. Next you'll have to look through these files and replace all references to 192.168.2.x with 192.168.0.x. /etc/exports /etc/hosts.allow /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat /etc/hosts /etc/dhcpd.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf But at that point, you may want to just start over and make sure you take the default of 192.168.0.254 for eth0 (I know, but just to be sure). I hope this helps. If not you may want to post the configs from the list above for review. I am sure we could pick out the error. Also include the IP of of your NIC and the IP scheme for your network. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tom at pcc.com Tue Feb 8 15:00:00 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Thomas Astle) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:00:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer....current status 2-7-05 (8:02 pm) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4208D3F0.1010007@pcc.com> This is great guys, I *can't wait* to blow away my installation and start over ;) At any rate, what do you think would have to be done to make this work for RH ES3? David Trask wrote: >Ok, > >Here's the latest. Matt and I have been hard at work ever since the >"profiles" bug surfaced last week. In addition to the "profiles" bug...we >noticed the "Administrator" quirk (like my little names for all these >things). Brian Chivers also requested the "user homes" feature as well. >Hence we had our work cut out for us. Matt for writing the changes and me >for pulling my hair out trying to figure why the hell it wouldn't work. >Sure enough...two characters and a letter made all the difference in the >world. "\%U" A couple hours on the phone with Matt on Saturday (thank >god for cell phones and nationwide toll-free calling...although he's only >in NH...next state over)....and again today (I was so excited I had to >tell someone!)....and a gazillion emails and list posts later....I can >report that we've squashed the bugs! Phew! I can also verify that this >time I tested EVERYTHING....on both a K12LTSP 4.2 box and an FC3 >box....everything installs and minimal installs....X server and no X >server....etc. It works! Yay! In fact, the removing of the >Administrator user and going back to "root" seems to make a lot of things >run better. So...smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz has been released. It >will stay gamma for a couple days as I have to rework some critical stuff >in the docs. Unfortunately I've had enough of this place today (I'm still >at school)...so I'm going home and *gasp* I'm not even taking my laptop >home with me! I will tackle the docs tomorrow afternoon and if all goes >well I will hopefully ship them off to Matt tomorrow evening so he can >package them in with what we hope will be >smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz.....just in time for Linux World! (Red >Sox....Patriots....and now Linux World is coming to Boston?....what have I >done to deserve such good fortune!) Matt and I will both be at Linux >World (I'll be there Mon eve. - Thurs. and Matt will be there at least one >day)....hope to meet many of you...I'll be at the LTSP booth. Also...many >thanks to those of you who helped us find some of these bugs....etc. Jim >Kronebush....Tom Astle...and anyone else I may be leaving out. Thanks for >your help....this is what Open Source is truly all about. Imagine how >long it might have taken M$ to sort something like this out! > >Although smbldap-installer is "gamma" due to docs...I would feel safe in >using it on a production server in my school. I've tested it all over and >it works now. So have at it and let us know. For now it's on Matt's >server http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz As soon as it >is out of gamma it'll be available on Steve's server in Exeter and >mirrored on mine in Vassalboro. > >Also one last note: The Summer Linux conference at Gould Academy in Maine >that I told you about earlier this winter is shaping up...I hope to have >the registration info available before Linux World, but at the least, by >the end of Feb. It's an awesome 3 days....room and board included (and >boy do we feed you well)....all for about $400. It's been awesome the >past two years and hopefully many of you can join us this year! June >19th-21st at Gould Academy (a beautiful old New England private school) in >Bethel, Maine. More to follow....let me know if you'd like to >come....I'll put you on the list to receive info. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Tue Feb 8 15:04:40 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone tried the smbldap-installer script with Suse? In-Reply-To: <20050208141434.9CFA273AB0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050208141434.9CFA273AB0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050208150440.GB29015@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Brian Chivers" > Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone tried the smbldap-installer script with > We currently run all our main internal servers on Suse 9.0 or 9.1. I have > setup a sandbox system using the K12LTSP but I'd really like the server when > in goes into use to be SUSE 9.1. > I have had a look through the dictro_data.pm file but I'm having troulbe > finding a couple of the files. Ah - you've raised a point that I should document in distro_data.pm. You should start with the minimum list of dependencies and build it as you need them. If you only have "smbldap-tools......rpm" in the list, when you run the script it will tell you what other packages it needs that it doesn't have. So here's how to do it: 1. install a minimal Suse installation 2. only have "smbldap-tools....rpm" in your list of rpms 3. run the script and it will tell you what else it needs. 4. add other rpms to the list and goto 3 5. profit! I'm personally working on getting Ubuntu to work, and once we have an Debian-based distro working it might be relatively straightforward to present the FC3/K12LTSP user with the option of getting the packages from the Internet if 'apt-get' is available. --matt From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 15:05:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:05:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer....current status 2-7-05 (8:02 pm) In-Reply-To: <4208D3F0.1010007@pcc.com> References: <4208D3F0.1010007@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 10:00 AM +0000 wrote: >At any rate, what do you think would have to be done to make this work >for RH ES3? Assuming the conf files go to the same places...I'm guessing it's a matter of packages....finding the ES3 (RedHat Enterprise Server) equivalents to the rpm's and rewriting the script to install those as opposed to the FC3 versions. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 8 15:07:56 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:07:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] project management for windows on linux In-Reply-To: <20050207173426.6B7F2399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050207173426.6B7F2399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <4208D5CC.800@maltzen.net> Going to freshmeat.net and searching for 'project manager' turned up a bunch of things. One I did not see on the list but may be worth checking into is mrproject, for gnome. Several of the hits on freshmeat appear to be web-based, which means Windows users could access them with no special tools. If, however, you find a project manager that only runs under X, check out XLiveCD: it's a CD image (which you put onto a CD) and when you put it in a Windows machine, it automatically launches Cygwin's X server. It has an option to install the X server onto the hard drive. Then you could use putty to create public keys on each user's desktop machine, copy those to the Linux server, which would then allow you to run an ssh session that automatically calls, say, mrproject, and it would be displayed on the user's Windows box via the CygWin X server. It may be possible to do this using telnet/rsh instead of ssh, but ssh can more easily take care of getting the DISPLAY variable set correctly. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > This is kind of a 2-part question. First, what's a good open source project management application for linux? Need something similar to Microsoft Project. I've read about Planner, but there are apparently many others out there. Second, what's the simplest way to enable windows-users to access this application, which will probably be running on its own linux server? If it was the other way around (linux users accessing a windows application), I know I'd use rdesktop. > > This is for a small company and there's not much concern about network security inside the building. This means that network activity doesn't need to be encrypted or anything, and login to the linux machine would preferably be automatic w/ no passwords (just click on a windows icon and the application launches). > > I'm trying to save the company money, but they're not yet convinced that they can give up MS. This would be the first of many baby steps. The final step, of course, would be all-linux, and most likely ltsp. The company is currently considering buying MS Project. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Tue Feb 8 15:24:33 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:24:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer...for RH ES3? In-Reply-To: <20050208150013.3B6D07412F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050208150013.3B6D07412F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050208152433.GA29351@socrates.mojo.home> > From: Thomas Astle > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer....current status 2-7-05 (8:02 pm) > > At any rate, what do you think would have to be done to make this work > for RH ES3? See my post in response to Brian Chivers concerning Suse. --matt From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 8 15:33:45 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:33:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding out whats in a computer Message-ID: <4208DBD9.2040705@jsoft.com> Howdy, We are doing several workshops and will use k12ltsp as the operating system. We have had several computers donated and I am trying to sort out what each of them is. I am loading knoppix and then entering # lspci to get the network card. and $ uname --all to get the hardware type. How do I find out how much memory and what kind of cpu they each have? What other info is useful? Thanks, Gary From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 8 15:33:47 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:33:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <4208CC20.5080805@maltzen.net> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> <4208CC20.5080805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1107876827.7927.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 08:26, Petre Scheie wrote: > Note that the two most commonly used applications, OpenOffice.org and > Mozilla/Firefox, don't lend themselves to open-mosix clusters, the problem being > of the apps won't migrate from one node to another as needed. There was some > discussion of this on the list about a year ago, so check the archives. An > alternative way to spread the load over multiple servers would be to dedicate > each app to its own server, and have the LTSP server just provide the users' > desktops. The tradeoff in using dedicated app servers is that you have to do some custom work to set up the ssh keys and program launchers to use them and in return you get efficient use of Linux shared memory when you run more copies of the same app on one server - and you get more control over the CPU use on each box. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robowens at myway.com Tue Feb 8 15:39:54 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:39:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] project management for windows on linux Message-ID: <20050208153954.246A43A71@mprdmxin.myway.com> Thanks for the info. By the way, I think mrproject has been replaced (renamed?) by "planner". I have been experimenting a little bit w/ Cygwin. Pretty neat. -Rob --- On Tue 02/08, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:07:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] project management for windows on linux Going to freshmeat.net and searching for 'project manager' turned up a bunch of
things. One I did not see on the list but may be worth checking into is
mrproject, for gnome. Several of the hits on freshmeat appear to be web-based,
which means Windows users could access them with no special tools. If, however,
you find a project manager that only runs under X, check out XLiveCD: it's a CD
image (which you put onto a CD) and when you put it in a Windows machine, it
automatically launches Cygwin's X server. It has an option to install the X
server onto the hard drive. Then you could use putty to create public keys on
each user's desktop machine, copy those to the Linux server, which would then
allow you to run an ssh session that automatically calls, say, mrproject, and it
would be displayed on the user's Windows box via the CygWin X server. It may be
possible to do this using telnet/rsh instead of ssh, but ssh can more easily take care of getting the DISPLAY variable set correctly.

Petre

Rob Owens wrote:
> This is kind of a 2-part question. First, what's a good open source project management application for linux? Need something similar to Microsoft Project. I've read about Planner, but there are apparently many others out there. Second, what's the simplest way to enable windows-users to access this application, which will probably be running on its own linux server? If it was the other way around (linux users accessing a windows application), I know I'd use rdesktop.
>
> This is for a small company and there's not much concern about network security inside the building. This means that network activity doesn't need to be encrypted or anything, and login to the linux machine would preferably be automatic w/ no passwords (just click on a windows icon and the application launches).
>
> I'm trying to save the company money, but they're not yet convinced that! they can give up MS. This would be the first of many baby s! teps. The final step, of course, would be all-linux, and most likely ltsp. The company is currently considering buying MS Project.
>
> -Rob
>
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 16:11:16 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:11:16 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone tried the smbldap-installer script with Suse? References: <20050208141434.9CFA273AB0@hormel.redhat.com> <20050208150440.GB29015@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <029a01c50df8$d16d0300$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Matt Oquist wrote: >> From: "Brian Chivers" >> Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone tried the smbldap-installer script with >> We currently run all our main internal servers on Suse 9.0 or 9.1. I >> have setup a sandbox system using the K12LTSP but I'd really like >> the server when in goes into use to be SUSE 9.1. >> I have had a look through the dictro_data.pm file but I'm having >> troulbe finding a couple of the files. > > Ah - you've raised a point that I should document in distro_data.pm. > You should start with the minimum list of dependencies and build it as > you need them. > > If you only have "smbldap-tools......rpm" in the list, when you run > the script it will tell you what other packages it needs that it > doesn't have. > > So here's how to do it: > 1. install a minimal Suse installation > 2. only have "smbldap-tools....rpm" in your list of rpms > 3. run the script and it will tell you what else it needs. > 4. add other rpms to the list and goto 3 > 5. profit! > > I'm personally working on getting Ubuntu to work, and once we have an > Debian-based distro working it might be relatively straightforward to > present the FC3/K12LTSP user with the option of getting the packages > from the Internet if 'apt-get' is available. > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see OK I think I'll install a new HDD in the sandbox machine & try from there. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 8 16:11:27 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:11:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding out whats in a computer In-Reply-To: <4208DBD9.2040705@jsoft.com> References: <4208DBD9.2040705@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <4208E4AF.2000403@maltzen.net> 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you what kind of CPU the box has, speed, etc. 'free' will show how much memory the box has. Petre Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > We are doing several workshops and will use k12ltsp as the operating > system. We have had several computers donated and I am trying to sort > out what each of them is. > > I am loading knoppix and then entering > > # lspci > > to get the network card. and > > $ uname --all > > to get the hardware type. How do I find out how much memory and what > kind of cpu they each have? > > What other info is useful? > > Thanks, > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 16:12:57 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:12:57 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX IMC / Samba Console Message-ID: <02aa01c50df9$0da2ad70$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Has anyone tried this yet ? I have it working on a test machine and it looks really good, only problem is that I can figure out the format of the imc.xml file to allow me to login to it from a remote machine, only on the localhost at the mo. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at rossberry.com Tue Feb 8 16:18:48 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:18:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] finding out whats in a computer In-Reply-To: <4208E4AF.2000403@maltzen.net> References: <4208DBD9.2040705@jsoft.com> <4208E4AF.2000403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you what kind of CPU the box has, speed, etc. > 'free' will show how much memory the box has. dmidecode which is part of the kernel-utils package is useful, though I'm not sure it is on the Knoppix CD. lspci -v will tell a lot too, if you dig through it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 8 16:23:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC Message-ID: <200502081525.j18FP8a25051@downeast.net> i used www.umich.edu/~dirsvcs/ldap/doc/guides/slapd/11.html..i found it pretty easy to do once you have a good database...chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 1:12 AM +0000 wrote: > >My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, > >It was > >flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it > >manually any > >more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can > >I use > >the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? > > Not sure...as I haven't tried it....first things first :-) But....I do > know you can have a slave ldap server....there will be some things you'll > have to edit by hand in many of the conf files. Take a look on the > idealx.org site to see if there's a how-to or something > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 8 16:33:01 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:33:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC Message-ID: <200502081534.j18FY9a26444@downeast.net> btw: i have a BIG note to myself saying "Don't forget /var/ldap/slapd.replog.lock > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 1:12 AM +0000 wrote: > >My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, > >It was > >flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it > >manually any > >more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can > >I use > >the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? > > Not sure...as I haven't tried it....first things first :-) But....I do > know you can have a slave ldap server....there will be some things you'll > have to edit by hand in many of the conf files. Take a look on the > idealx.org site to see if there's a how-to or something > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 17:12:33 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:12:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP (VMware) In-Reply-To: <20050207195348.123CE3A52@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200502081712.j18HCkHL013932@mx1.redhat.com> Rob, I have a test box with K12LTSP core 2 loaded and I also purchased a single copy of VMware for linux and installed it on the server. I've loaded Windows 98 and then Type To Learn 3 and it works with the exception of audio and my video display does not take up the whole screen. It is a little slower as well. My terminal box is a P233 with 32M memory. Kids Pix did not work after I installed it onto the virtual machine. I don't think I would deploy my setup in the class room - still need to do a lot of testing. VMware confirms that it is compatible up to RH9 - so technically I didn't load it on a supported OS. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP The only sure-fire way I know of is to run Windows Terminal Server and access it from linux using the rdesktop command. Of course Microsoft expects you to pay a license fee based on how many users you claim will be connecting to the terminal server... You can try wine, or you can try a free trial of Crossover Office at http://www.codeweavers.com/ -Rob --- On Mon 02/07, richard ingalls < aslansreturn at yahoo.com > wrote: From: richard ingalls [mailto: aslansreturn at yahoo.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add 4
"new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural
school district, using old and donated hardware (but
new servers). I LOVE that my students can login
anywhere and have all their files and even their
customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew it
was coming, right?)

In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" software
that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like
"Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart
Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was a
way to run this software on the Linux server using
wine and make it available to all the users, THEN
K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for
schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle
schools).

Has anyone successfully installed these types of
"edutainment" apps on their servers and made them
available to all the users? If so, HOW?

I think making something like this! "easy" to do, would
catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for
many school districts.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 8 17:23:37 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:23:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding out whats in a computer In-Reply-To: References: <4208DBD9.2040705@jsoft.com> <4208E4AF.2000403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4208F599.8070204@jsoft.com> Good suggestions. I have not tried dmidecode yet. The others give lots of info. Thanks! Gary Jim Wildman wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you what kind of CPU the box has, speed, etc. >>'free' will show how much memory the box has. > > > dmidecode which is part of the kernel-utils package is useful, though > I'm not sure it is on the Knoppix CD. > lspci -v will tell a lot too, if you dig through it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com > "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best > state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." > Thomas Paine > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 8 17:45:04 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:45:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba_LDAP-BDC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502081744.j18Hirom023396@mx1.redhat.com> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 1:12 AM +0000 wrote: >My Samba-LDAP is working fine, yeaaaaaa, thanks to the new update script, >It was >flaw-less and very very easy, almost sad that I don't have to do it >manually any >more. Any way, I am setting up a new server to be the Back-up Server, Can >I use >the same script to create the Samba-LDAP BDC server? Not sure...as I haven't tried it....first things first :-) But....I do know you can have a slave ldap server....there will be some things you'll have to edit by hand in many of the conf files. Take a look on the idealx.org site to see if there's a how-to or something What is the difference between a slave ldap server and a BDC ldap server? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Feb 8 18:34:37 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1107887677.23822.22.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Hi, all. We recently updated our website, so if you were looking for the howto on Flash and esd, it is now located here: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=125 Sorry for the inconvenience... -Gideon On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 14:34, k12ltsp wrote: > Hey, > > I was asked to post how I got sound working here and I apologize I forgot > to respond! > > Anyhow, here's my experience with sound. I prefer ESD over NASD. NASD > however is easier to use on FC2 because you don't have to make any changes > to the accounts and it works right off in ICEWM. However, NASD on my older > terminals keeps breaking up, plays slowly and pauses the flash animtion on > the terminal as the audio stops. Not impressive. I would guestimate that > NASD would work on terminals over 200 MHz. ESD however works flawlessly > for me on terminals as slow as 100 MHz. > > Again, this is the experience here in hermon, and we use FC2, so I don't > know if this applies on the newest iteration of LTSP. > > How I got ESD to work on the terminals: > > Simple, just go to preferences, more preferences, and choose "Multimedia > Systems Selector."Select ESD and presuming you have a compatible sound > card, you can click on test and should hear a tone! > > The basic games such as Gcompris, Tuxtype, Tuxpaint, etc.. will work in > this environment. > > HOWEVER, Mozilla flash will not without the following commands: > > ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 (Mozilla looks for > libesd.so.0) > > > Then: > > cd /tmp > mkdir .esd > cd .esd > touch socket > cd .. > chmod -R a+rwx .esd/ > > An EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com > Just visit the site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This website > is a great place to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. > > As for audio cards.. I have not been successfullin getting my SB > compatible sound card to operate. I did however find a card that will work: > > http://xiertekusa.com/product.php?pid=132&xcSID=2aeee5a792f10a91d9fe7908bbe81f26 > > It costs only 9 bucks per card, but is hard to get since it's no longer > produced! > > I'd like to ask the LSTP community is anyone can recommend a sound card > they know works right off without modication, like the one above. (I think > that sound blaster card is recognized as a Ensoniq card when the terminal > boots) If you know a good source to get a working sound card, I'd like to > order a bulk of the cards for the terminals in our elementary school! > > Thank you all! Have a good day! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 8 18:38:23 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:38:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4209071F.2020601@earthlink.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Paul Satherley wrote: > >> Sharon Betts wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >>> plans? >>> >>> I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >>> business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by >>> leaps and >>> >>> >> LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with >> that in mind. >> > > That depends on what desktop you have people using, which apps they're > expected to run, etc. For either GNOME or KDE with OpenOffice.org and > Firefox/Thunderbird (or traditional Mozilla), I'd say between 30 and > 40 thin clients is the max. My dual-proc server with 4GB DRAM handles > 25 today and has enough room for another roughly 15 before swapping > starts taking place. My kids run their choice of GNOME or KDE. > > On the other hand, if you have the users running, say, IceWM or XFce, > you could probably put more than 40 users on. If you're talking apps > with few screen updates like OO.o and Moz/Firefox/Tbird, go for it. > If you have a bunch of people running, say, TuxType, which is known > for large amounts of screen updates, then network bandwidth becomes > the bottleneck. Even a Gig-E card can keep up with only 14 people > playing TuxType at 1024x768x24bit. That number may rise at lower > resolutions; I would expect it to. In the TuxType situation, you'd > want to use two Gig-E NICs in your server, ganged together in what > Cisco parlance calls an "EtherChannel" (I think the official term is > "multilink"). Then you can get as many as 28 TuxType users. Eli: I need to find out how to do this! I think we have one more gigabit port to the lab switches..... Rita From tom at pcc.com Tue Feb 8 18:56:17 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:56:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050208185617.GA360048@pcc.com> Hi, I just installed the new package and it works. I am having only one problem now. I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can log into the virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? To Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Unless Webmin is smart about LDAP, and even smart enough to know > > about the sort of Samba/LDAP setup we're using, I don't expect it to > > work. > > Thanks for the response. I'll focus my efforts elsewhere then. I didn't > think it would work. I am just looking for an easy way for other admins (say > a principal at a school or media specialist) to add remove users other than a > command line with scripts and such. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:04:23 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:04:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working In-Reply-To: <1107887677.23822.22.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1107887677.23822.22.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: I like the login solution. See you Thursday. On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:34:37 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > Hi, all. We recently updated our website, so if you were looking for the > howto on Flash and esd, it is now located here: > > http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=125 > > Sorry for the inconvenience... > > -Gideon > > > On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 14:34, k12ltsp wrote: > Hey, I was asked to post how I got sound working here and I apologize I > forgot to respond! Anyhow, here's my experience with sound. I prefer ESD > over NASD. NASD however is easier to use on FC2 because you don't have to > make any changes to the accounts and it works right off in ICEWM. However, > NASD on my older terminals keeps breaking up, plays slowly and pauses the > flash animtion on the terminal as the audio stops. Not impressive. I would > guestimate that NASD would work on terminals over 200 MHz. ESD however works > flawlessly for me on terminals as slow as 100 MHz. Again, this is the > experience here in hermon, and we use FC2, so I don't know if this applies > on the newest iteration of LTSP. How I got ESD to work on the terminals: > Simple, just go to preferences, more preferences, and choose "Multimedia > Systems Selector."Select ESD and presuming you have a compatible sound card, > you can click on test and should hear a tone! The basic games such as > Gcompris, Tuxtype, Tuxpaint, etc.. will work in this environment. HOWEVER, > Mozilla flash will not without the following commands: ln -s > /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 (Mozilla looks for libesd.so.0) > Then: cd /tmp mkdir .esd cd .esd touch socket cd .. chmod -R a+rwx .esd/ An > EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com Just visit the > site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This website is a great place > to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. As for audio cards.. I have > not been successfullin getting my SB compatible sound card to operate. I did > however find a card that will work: > http://xiertekusa.com/product.php?pid=132&xcSID=2aeee5a792f10a91d9fe7908bbe81f26 > It costs only 9 bucks per card, but is hard to get since it's no longer > produced! I'd like to ask the LSTP community is anyone can recommend a sound > card they know works right off without modication, like the one above. (I > think that sound blaster card is recognized as a Ensoniq card when the > terminal boots) If you know a good source to get a working sound card, I'd > like to order a bulk of the cards for the terminals in our elementary > school! Thank you all! Have a good day! > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more > info see > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | > Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) > 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 > c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 8 19:06:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:06:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 07:16, Burke Almquist wrote: > >>> And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more > >>> money > >>> for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book > >>> anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't > >>> know > >>> you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) > >> > >> At which point we all will have failed miserably in our jobs as > >> educators. > > > > I'm sure they said the same thing when clay tablets went out of > > style. > > > > Yes, but we still know what clay tablets ARE. Books will be remembered as a biodegradable material that was used before rechargable batteries were perfected. That is, if reliable batteries for portable devices are ever invented... There may even be a historic record of various quaint means used to search for interesting passages contained in paper books that were used before the invention of google. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 8 19:20:58 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:20:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Boot Disks for Legacy PCs Message-ID: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> Howdy, I now know what's in some of the PCs. However, I am not able to get any of the clients to connect. I have not connected clients to a k12ltsp server in a long time. When I tried using k12ltsp way long ago I got a boot image for the nic, put it on a floppy, put it in the computer and we were up. Things are not going well this time around. I have 3 computers I am testing as clients. Two have Accton Technology Corp SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) cards and one has a Linksys Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 model NC100 (rev 11) Both do not come up. I look at the log and do not see anything useful. The one computer (with the Linksys card) had been a server with k12ltsp 4.1 on it for a while. I know it works. The other two come up with Knoppix so they should work??? I have several other computers with who knows what cards. What boot image should I get for the two cards listed above? Is there a magic decoder for the output of the lspci command to what is on the Rom-O-matic site? Why is this going bad? Why did I wait till the last minute to test getting the hardware up :-S Thanks, Gary From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 8 19:24:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:24:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050208185617.GA360048@pcc.com> Message-ID: <000e01c50e13$d55f0970$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi, > > I just installed the new package and it works. I am having > only one problem now. > > I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can > log into the > virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? I hope this question isn't intended for me and just has my name in the subject from David's previous post. I have no idea why it isn't letting you login to Gnome but works from the terminals. Anyone? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 8 19:35:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:35:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Yes, but we still know what clay tablets ARE. > > Books will be remembered as a biodegradable material that was > used before rechargable batteries were perfected. That is, > if reliable batteries for portable devices are ever > invented... There may even be a historic record of various > quaint means used to search for interesting passages > contained in paper books that were used before the invention > of google. I hate to futher this type of debate on a technical list but.... I think Les drives an excellent point. You have only failed as educators if you fail to educate. The tools for educating will constantly evolve, change, etc. Sorry for starting such a debate, I just wanted to make the point that I am not familiar with the software and what each of their specific functions are. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue Feb 8 19:37:40 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OT Question: MySQL import /export question In-Reply-To: <200502081712.j18HCkHL013932@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4066865788.1107873460@[10.2.3.146]> Hi Guys, Looking for a little direction. I am on the brink of updating my 12 location websites to phpwebsite ( a LAMP base CMS ). I currently use webcalng ( a Perl / MySQL calendar system). I want to keep using the webcalng interface ( all my administrators know how to use it ) and insert update the calendar module in phpwebsite. Basically I want the webcalng calendar interface to populate two MySQL calendar db's. There are many common fields in each table and common types. Any ideas ? I don't care what langauge Perl,PHP, Python, straight MySQL. Export import ? Hack the webcalng interface to right in two db's ? Thanks, Tom Ventersco From stegil at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:30:00 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:30:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design References: < > <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz><420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> <4209071F.2020601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: If you are looking for doubling up ethernet cards to increase bandwidth speed (channel bonding), there is a program i found on the following website that does it for you. Just compile and install. It was meant for high speed video transfer. " FIREHOSE " 2 x fast ethernet 100mbs -- would create 200mbs throughput or, 2 x gigabit 1000mbs -- would create 2000mbs throughput. http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Gibson" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network design > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Paul Satherley wrote: >> >>> Sharon Betts wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my >>>> plans? >>>> >>>> I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a >>>> business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps >>>> and >>>> >>> LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that >>> in mind. >>> >> >> That depends on what desktop you have people using, which apps they're >> expected to run, etc. For either GNOME or KDE with OpenOffice.org and >> Firefox/Thunderbird (or traditional Mozilla), I'd say between 30 and 40 >> thin clients is the max. My dual-proc server with 4GB DRAM handles 25 >> today and has enough room for another roughly 15 before swapping starts >> taking place. My kids run their choice of GNOME or KDE. >> >> On the other hand, if you have the users running, say, IceWM or XFce, you >> could probably put more than 40 users on. If you're talking apps with >> few screen updates like OO.o and Moz/Firefox/Tbird, go for it. If you >> have a bunch of people running, say, TuxType, which is known for large >> amounts of screen updates, then network bandwidth becomes the bottleneck. >> Even a Gig-E card can keep up with only 14 people playing TuxType at >> 1024x768x24bit. That number may rise at lower resolutions; I would >> expect it to. In the TuxType situation, you'd want to use two Gig-E NICs >> in your server, ganged together in what Cisco parlance calls an >> "EtherChannel" (I think the official term is "multilink"). Then you can >> get as many as 28 TuxType users. > > Eli: > > I need to find out how to do this! I think we have one more gigabit port > to the lab switches..... > > Rita > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:48:29 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:48:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Future thin clients Message-ID: <9bd31756050208114825defccd@mail.gmail.com> These will make great thin clients I bet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4243733.stm From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 8 20:20:44 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:20:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] beta2: problems with apt-get and yum In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605020721162dbe8008@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605020721162dbe8008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42091F1C.7060702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Ascension Tech wrote: > I'm having trouble with apt-get and yum. After trying apt-get: > > > The following NEW packages will be installed: > caching-nameserver-ltsp (7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0) > fltk (1.1.4-0.fdr.8.2) > gtkglarea (1.2.2-19) > linc (1.0.3-3.1) > 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 removed and 126 not upgraded. > Need to get 0B/432kB of archives. > After unpacking 1052kB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y > Checking GPG signatures... > Committing changes... > Preparing... ########################################### [100%] > file /etc/named.conf from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > file /var/named/localhost.zone from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > file /var/named/named.ca from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > E: Error while running transaction > > I'm just guessing here, I can't remember all of the quirks from the various beta builds off the top of my head... This should probably fix it: rpm -e caching-nameserver apt-get install caching-nameserver-ltsp -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 8 20:34:29 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:34:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <000e01c50e13$d55f0970$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200502082034.j18KYIqJ012385@mx1.redhat.com> I have the same problem -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:25 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) > Hi, > > I just installed the new package and it works. I am having > only one problem now. > > I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can > log into the > virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? I hope this question isn't intended for me and just has my name in the subject from David's previous post. I have no idea why it isn't letting you login to Gnome but works from the terminals. Anyone? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Tue Feb 8 21:05:20 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:05:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Tom Astle) In-Reply-To: <20050208190434.9532573CA4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050208190434.9532573CA4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050208210520.GA419@socrates.mojo.home> > From: Tom Astle > I just installed the new package and it works. I am having only one problem > now. > I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can log into the > virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? I don't know; I'm bringing up a test box myself ATM so I'll see if I can duplicate this. I hate to ask this, but have you rebooted since you ran the smbldap-installer? LDAP seems to depend in some way I don't understand on being initialized properly, and the only way I've been able to do that so far is to reboot the server after running the smbldap-installer. --matt From tom at pcc.com Tue Feb 8 21:45:05 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:45:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Tom Astle) In-Reply-To: <20050208210520.GA419@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050208190434.9532573CA4@hormel.redhat.com> <20050208210520.GA419@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <420932E1.1020208@pcc.com> Matt Oquist wrote: >>From: Tom Astle >>I just installed the new package and it works. I am having only one problem >>now. >>I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can log into the >>virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? >> >> > >I don't know; I'm bringing up a test box myself ATM so I'll see if >I can duplicate this. > >I hate to ask this, but have you rebooted since you ran the >smbldap-installer? LDAP seems to depend in some way I don't >understand on being initialized properly, and the only way I've been >able to do that so far is to reboot the server after running the >smbldap-installer. > >--matt > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > that was it! shut up and reboot. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Tue Feb 8 22:24:35 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:24:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Message-ID: <1107901475.42093c23170f4@msdigitaldzines.com> Hello Matt, Upon your recommendation I installed Directory Administrator, to make it easy for my administrators to manage the user accounts, when I run the program i get this error message -->Your Directory administrator installation id faulty. Icons cannot be found. Please ensure the icons were installed in the GNOME icons (pixmaps) directory. <-- just wondering if you got the same message and managed to fix the problem. Thanks --mark From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 8 23:08:18 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:08:18 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Message-ID: <200502082209.j18M9Pa26867@downeast.net> i almost think i found an rpm at dagh wieers site that worked out of the box...assuming this is redhat chuck > > > Hello Matt, > > Upon your recommendation I installed Directory Administrator, to make it easy > for my administrators to manage the user accounts, when I run the program i get > this error message > > -->Your Directory administrator installation id faulty. Icons cannot be found. > Please ensure the icons were installed in the GNOME icons (pixmaps) directory. > <-- > > just wondering if you got the same message and managed to fix the problem. > > Thanks > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 8 23:16:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:16:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: <200502082209.j18M9Pa26867@downeast.net> References: <200502082209.j18M9Pa26867@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: >i almost think i found an rpm at dagh wieers site that worked out of the >box...assuming this is redhat >chuck I agree....I've seen the same error that Mark mentions...trying to remember how I fixed it....another possibility is I may have built it from source (come to think of it that's what I think I did)....the last time I tried it was on one of my many smbldap-installer trials (this one was several weeks ago)....but I can say it worked David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Tue Feb 8 23:21:49 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:21:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: References: <200502082209.j18M9Pa26867@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1107904909.4209498d8884d@msdigitaldzines.com> So you built it from source? you dont happen to have that would'a! I installed an earlier version of the software and its running now, when I try to add a user I get a OBJECT CLASS VIOLATION did you also get that error. PS(I can add users using the CLI just fine) --mark Quoting David Trask : > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: > >i almost think i found an rpm at dagh wieers site that worked out of the > >box...assuming this is redhat > >chuck > > I agree....I've seen the same error that Mark mentions...trying to > remember how I fixed it....another possibility is I may have built it from > source (come to think of it that's what I think I did)....the last time I > tried it was on one of my many smbldap-installer trials (this one was > several weeks ago)....but I can say it worked > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Feb 8 23:32:01 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:32:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: <1107904909.4209498d8884d@msdigitaldzines.com> References: <200502082209.j18M9Pa26867@downeast.net> <1107904909.4209498d8884d@msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <1107905521.23822.36.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Last time I looked at DirAdmin, I had similar problems and consulted the good folks on the #openldap channel. I believe the result was that DirAdmin is very version-sensitive with openldap. I think it only worked for openldap < 2.1 or some such. Sorry for the vagueness. I remember being disappointed as I, too, like the tool. -Gideon On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 18:21, mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: > So you built it from source? you dont happen to have that would'a! > > I installed an earlier version of the software and its running now, when I try > to add a user I get a > > OBJECT CLASS VIOLATION > > > > did you also get that error. > > PS(I can add users using the CLI just fine) > > --mark > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: > > >i almost think i found an rpm at dagh wieers site that worked out of the > > >box...assuming this is redhat > > >chuck > > > > > I agree....I've seen the same error that Mark mentions...trying to > > remember how I fixed it....another possibility is I may have built it from > > source (come to think of it that's what I think I did)....the last time I > > tried it was on one of my many smbldap-installer trials (this one was > > several weeks ago)....but I can say it worked > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > remember being disappointed as I, too, like the tool. > > -Gideon > > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 18:21, mark at msdigitaldzines.com wrote: > > > So you built it from source? you dont happen to have that would'a! > > > > I installed an earlier version of the software and its running now, when I try > > to add a user I get a > > > > OBJECT CLASS VIOLATION > > > > > > > > did you also get that error. > > > > PS(I can add users using the CLI just fine) > > > > --mark > > > > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > > Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: > > > >i almost think i found an rpm at dagh wieers site that worked out of the > > > >box...assuming this is redhat > > > >chuck > > > > > > > > I agree....I've seen the same error that Mark mentions...trying to > > > remember how I fixed it....another possibility is I may have built it from > > > source (come to think of it that's what I think I did)....the last time I > > > tried it was on one of my many smbldap-installer trials (this one was > > > several weeks ago)....but I can say it worked > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 8 23:45:00 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:45:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D1D@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Seems to work for the most part with directory_administrator-1.5.1-2mdk.rpm on Mandrake 10.1 also. 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Reboot and you'll be fine.....seriously...there's something about the process that rebooting takes care of...something that needs to initialize....so reboot after installing Samba/LDAP....then it should work fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 9 00:01:40 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:01:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208141418.74678.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050208141418.74678.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420952E4.3060707@snet.net> richard ingalls wrote: >--- anthony baldwin wrote: > > > >>Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >> >>>>Of course, you could simply move away from titles >>>> >>>> >>like Reader Rabbit, >> >> >>>>Oregon Trail, etc. If these companies care about >>>> >>>> >>the lost sales, >> >> >>>>they'll get in line. Besides, the way I learned >>>> >>>> >>to read was by >> >> >>>>reading actual books, and I'm not all that old. >>>> >>>> >>Is reading actual >> >> >>>>books not considered "good" anymore? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Funny you say that. I myself have installed this >>> >>> >>software on a few thousand >> >> >>>machines, but can honestly say I have never used >>> >>> >>the software myself. So I >> >> >>>personally have no idea what the big deal is with >>> >>> >>the software. And I really >> >> >>>get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more >>> >>> >>money for books, when I >> >> >>>just about never see a student reading a real book >>> >>> >>anymore. In fact, I'll bet >> >> >>>in a couple years some students won't know you you >>> >>> >>mean when you say the word >> >> >>>"book" :-) >>> >>>And more ironic thing is that I have tried to get >>> >>> >>around the need for specific >> >> >>>software by asking teachers/admins to document the >>> >>> >>computer skills the are >> >> >>>attempting to teach the kids at each grade level, >>> >>> >>but come to find out no one >> >> >>>knows what they are trying to teach, just that they >>> >>> >>have a curriculum with >> >> >>>lesson plans setup by someone else and they just >>> >>> >>teach what they have. So if >> >> >>>you don't know what you are teaching, what the heck >>> >>> >>is the point? >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Some really valid points there. >>Some of the software mentioned is useful, though. >>Inspiration can be >>used for a variety of things, >>such as developing outlines from graphical webs, >>etc. For some >>students, the graphical web >>is easier to conceptualize, but, then seeing it >>transformed to a linear >>outline helps them to make sense of outlining. >>Etc. It is a very useful product. >>I'm an English teacher, myself, and have made much >>use of it. I've >>never used any computer games as a teaching tool, >>but I have allowed children to play games as a >>reward, and made >>educational games available. >>(Sure, Kbounce is VERY educational, isn't it?) >>I've used computers extensively in my own >>curriculum, but what I was >>teaching was not computer skills >>(okay, some may have learned computer skills >>"viacriously"), but >>research skills, writing skills, organizing skills, >>reading skills, >>critical thinking skills, even logic. >>Having software available for various multimedia >>projects allowed >>students room to be creative in expressing what >>they'd learned, too, >>and did afford some the opportunity to develop new >>computer skills along >>the way. >>(And I still send children to the library to >>research in books, too, and >>require that they read. >>I have to say, though, that I've found the libraries >>in the schools >>where I've worked very meager, and, accordingly, >>much more information was available through online >>sources.) >>But I can do all of that on a Linux box without >>proprietary software. >>There are even tools to do much of what Inspiration >>does, as far as >>webbing/outlining/organizing. >> >>tony >> >>http://www.school-library.net >>Freedom to Learn! >> >> > >tony - what do you use in place of Inspiration? This >is one of the main apps that I'd like to use in my >LTSP labs for my middle schools kids... > >also, would you mind if I had my Language Arts teacher >email you about how you use your classroom lab? > > > To tell the truth, I don't have a classroom lab. None of the schools I've been in have let me set one up. Last year I did bring in several boxes I built out of donated parts for use in my classroom. I installed K12 on them, but as standalone desktops. The children got right on them and used them for presentations, research, writing, all kinds of multimedia projects, etc. and didn't even realize that they were using something different until I told them! I gave the computers away as awards to graduating 8th graders at the end of the year, since I was leaving that district. They played nice with the Mac network there. Anyhow, I'm not even teaching this year. I'm unemployed. Well, I did just start a part-time job in a software and tech dev business that creates proprietary software and products for the medical industry (say no more - non-disclosures, etc. I even installed XP on a slave drive here, first windows in my home for three years, because they use some M$ specific devtools.) I suppose that's irrelevant on this list. I've used Kivio and OpenOffice's Draw program to create graphical organizers and stuff. Neither will convert a web to an outline like Inspiration does, though. All the curricula I've shared on School-Library.net was created on a linux box using open source tools. Scribus is way cool. I've probably used OpenOffice.org more than any other tool, for creating curricula, both on my linux box and the OS X iBook I had that was stolen over the summer (snif). I used linux boxes just like any other box might be used, Mac, Windows or otherwise, for research, for writing, for creating presentations. We did a unit on advertisement and they used graphical tools, like the Gimp. (Yeah, it was justifiable by the CT Framework for Middleschool Language Arts Curricula, because we studied ad techniques, then propaganda, then logical fallacies. It was fun, and made them all stronger persuasive writers!) tony http://www.school-library.net Freedom to Learn! From sbetts at msad71.net Tue Feb 8 23:54:52 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:54:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208141418.74678.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050208141418.74678.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 9:14 AM +0000 wrote: >tony - what do you use in place of Inspiration? This >is one of the main apps that I'd like to use in my >LTSP labs for my middle schools kids... Check out Freemind and Cmap -- not quite as "flashy" as Inspiration, but may meet some folks needs. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 9 00:07:16 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 08 Feb 2005 19:07:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605020812262846b3ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605020812262846b3ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107907635.13743.26.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey All, > Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if > anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the > switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. > Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of > following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a Catalyst 6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation to the local Linux User's Group). From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 9 00:10:40 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:10:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050208141630.75527.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050208141630.75527.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42095500.3060406@snet.net> richard ingalls wrote: >--- anthony baldwin wrote: > > > >>richard ingalls wrote: >> >> >> >>>I LOVE K12LTSP! I have used it to successfully add >>> >>> >>4 >> >> >>>"new" classroom computer labs to my small, rural >>>school district, using old and donated hardware >>> >>> >>(but >> >> >>>new servers). I LOVE that my students can login >>>anywhere and have all their files and even their >>>customized desktop follow them. But... (you knew >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>was coming, right?) >>> >>>In most schools, we use so much "edutainment" >>> >>> >>software >> >> >>>that is M$ only. My teachers have programs like >>>"Oregon Trail" and "Reader Rabbit" and "Jumpstart >>>Math" and "Kidspiration/Inspiration". IF there was >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>way to run this software on the Linux server using >>>wine and make it available to all the users, THEN >>>K12LTSP would be the biggest, best solution for >>>schools - ever (well at least for elementary/middle >>>schools). >>> >>>Has anyone successfully installed these types of >>>"edutainment" apps on their servers and made them >>>available to all the users? If so, HOW? >>> >>>I think making something like this "easy" to do, >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>catapult K12LTSP and Open Source over the edge for >>>many school districts. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I have run Inspiration on a K12 box using wine. >>It's been some time, since I did, but I did, and I >>know it can still be >>done. >>Inspiration can be a valuable tool in the classroom, >>for sure. >> >>tony >> >> > >tony - do you remember any of the specifics of how you >set it up in wine? How did you make it available for >all users? thanks. > > > I'm afraid it's been a while. But this may be significant. It was on my home box, not an LTSP network. Inspiration was on a Windows partition. I mounted the partition and started Inspiration with wine. It was rather simple. Unfortunately, because I had read-only access to the Windows partition, I couldn't save anything! Since i have a Windows drive again (after beeing M$ free for 3 years thanks to K12Linux!), I have installed Inspirition on it. Perhaps I should repeat the experience and see what I can offer as far as intelligence on the matter. Of course, one might question whether such intelligence will be applicable for an LTSP lab, since, again I'm working on a standalone desktop at home. I've never gotten an LTSP lab up anywhere, but keep using K12 to install linux on my home boxes. I stumbled into this project a few years back when my meager teacher's income made me painfully aware of how expensive Mo$t other software was and I started researching alternatives. I'm SO glad I stumbled into this project, though. It's really been responsible for my happy induction into the world of FOSS, for which I am extremely grateful. tony http://www.school-library.net Freedom to Learn! From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 9 00:20:44 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 08 Feb 2005 19:20:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub In-Reply-To: <42083A46.8040808@execulink.com> References: <42083A46.8040808@execulink.com> Message-ID: <1107908444.13743.39.camel@eriadne> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 23:04, Jason wrote: > Has anyone had the problem of the master boot record corrupting? Is > there a way of rebuilding it? Yes. My favorite way of rebuilding it was to boot s Knoppix CD and mount the boot partion, then invoke grub-install. In my case, I was dual booting with XP and every time I shutdown XP cleanly the MBR was corrupted. It probably has something to do with the particular installation of XP (on a Dell laptop). I've worked with other XP dual boot setups that didn't have this problem. The permanent fix was to use the windows loader (google grub-w2k-HOWTO for details). From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 9 00:48:08 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:48:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>Yes, but we still know what clay tablets ARE. >>> >>> >>Books will be remembered as a biodegradable material that was >>used before rechargable batteries were perfected. That is, >>if reliable batteries for portable devices are ever >>invented... There may even be a historic record of various >>quaint means used to search for interesting passages >>contained in paper books that were used before the invention >>of google. >> >> > >I hate to futher this type of debate on a technical list but.... > >I think Les drives an excellent point. You have only failed as >educators if you fail to educate. The tools for educating will >constantly evolve, change, etc. > >Sorry for starting such a debate, I just wanted to make the point that I >am not familiar with the software and what each of their specific >functions are. > > > > That's just it. The education system that does this apparently *is* failing to educate. In addition to Les's remark being snitty in my opinion, I've observed that sitting kids in front of a computer all day does in fact not teach them anything except how to point and click. They don't actually learn what they're doing. They have shorter attention spans. They can pass the SOL's, but not their college exams. They have trouble visualizing, for example, taking a definite integral using the discs, rings, or shells methods, let alone 3-D and vector calculus. They sure can't take a computer home with them and read it in bed without risking cracking the screen when they fall asleep with it, unlike a book; many is the time I've fallen asleep with my Chemistry books, studying late in the night. The, by my standards, shoddy writing ability of the kids I see is scary. By contrast, I, a "techie" engineer who supposedly shouldn't be able to write, can outwrite professional technical writers. That's because I actually learned how to *write*. In short, having Reader Rabbit, etc. babysit our kids obviously isn't doing the job. Computers should certainly be taught as tools, for example, for doing Web-based research for a paper you're assigned to write. They're also pretty good for teaching typing (e. g. TuxType). However, I don't believe that sitting a second- or third-grader in front of a CRT all day is good for that child. Computers are great tools, but they are only tools, to be used in addition to other methods of education. What I'm hearing here is such a strong teacher dependence on and attachment to the computer, and worse, to certain specific applications, that I see it compromising actual education in the classroom. It's preventing so many of you from going forward with a truly useful, not to mention economic, *computer* tool like K12LTSP. What's wrong with books, pencil, and paper along with the computers? Why are you so against them? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Feb 9 00:09:35 2005 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:09:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link In-Reply-To: <1107907635.13743.26.camel@eriadne> References: <9bd3175605020812262846b3ff@mail.gmail.com> <1107907635.13743.26.camel@eriadne> Message-ID: <420954BF.2000004@uindy.edu> We have used channel bonding with our IBM servers and cisco switches for about 2 years now, and it has been more trouble than its worth. We occasionally have strange packet loss that no one can account for, and I have never noticed any true thru put advantages. If you decide to use it, make sure that you stress test the server under heavy load and monitor for any packet loss. Michael C Wescott wrote: >On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: > > >>Hey All, >>Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if >>anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the >>switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. >>Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of >>following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? >> >> > >The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't >know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a Catalyst >6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation to the local >Linux User's Group). > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Shawn Austin University of Indianapolis Client Services 788-3362 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Feb 9 01:24:18 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:24:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients Message-ID: <42096642.1020501@paasda.org> when using Writer and right-clicking on typo'd text with the squiggly red line under it... the clients lock up... I've looked through logs to try and find a cause but have yet to locate anything... can others attempt to recreate this? I didn't believe it until students said, "hey watch, I can lock this thing up whenever I want" sure nuff..locked up... --Huck From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Wed Feb 9 00:35:28 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:35:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login "problem" In-Reply-To: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Mark Sarria" > I have the same problem > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:25 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) > > > Hi, > > > > I just installed the new package and it works. I am having > > only one problem now. > > > > I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can > > log into the > > virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? Apparently the problem you saw was that you hadn't rebooted, and (for some reason I don't yet understand) LDAP wasn't properly initialized to do authentication. But you might also see a message like this: "The system administrator has disabled your account". That message comes from the user's shell being set to /bin/false: [root at ltsp ~]# getent passwd | grep tcat tcat:x:1006:513:Tom Cat:/home/tcat:/bin/false To change that if you wish: [root at ltsp ~]# export PATH=$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin/ [root at ltsp ~]# smbldap-usermod -s /bin/bash tcat [root at ltsp ~]# getent passwd | grep tcat tcat:x:1006:513:Tom Cat:/home/tcat:/bin/bash Uh-oh. I thought that was going to fix it but it didn't. I can still log in from Windoze just fine, but tcat can't ssh into my ltsp box or log in through the GUI. I tried rebooting and it made no difference. My turn to ask for help - anybody have any ideas? --matt From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Wed Feb 9 01:40:07 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:40:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login "problem" In-Reply-To: <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> I am useing the k12ltsp version of Fedora Core3, I am not able to ssh into my box remotely, is this the problem you are having? Quoting Matt Oquist : > > From: "Mark Sarria" > > I have the same problem > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > > Of Jim Kronebusch > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:25 AM > > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just installed the new package and it works. I am having > > > only one problem now. > > > > > > I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can > > > log into the > > > virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? > > Apparently the problem you saw was that you hadn't rebooted, and (for > some reason I don't yet understand) LDAP wasn't properly initialized > to do authentication. > > But you might also see a message like this: "The system administrator > has disabled your account". That message comes from the user's shell > being set to /bin/false: > [root at ltsp ~]# getent passwd | grep tcat > tcat:x:1006:513:Tom Cat:/home/tcat:/bin/false > > To change that if you wish: > [root at ltsp ~]# export PATH=$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin/ > [root at ltsp ~]# smbldap-usermod -s /bin/bash tcat > [root at ltsp ~]# getent passwd | grep tcat > tcat:x:1006:513:Tom Cat:/home/tcat:/bin/bash > > Uh-oh. I thought that was going to fix it but it didn't. I can still > log in from Windoze just fine, but tcat can't ssh into my ltsp box or > log in through the GUI. > > I tried rebooting and it made no difference. > > My turn to ask for help - anybody have any ideas? > > --matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 02:14:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:14:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =22problem=22?= In-Reply-To: <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 8:40 PM +0000 wrote: >I am useing the k12ltsp version of Fedora Core3, I am not able to ssh >into my >box remotely, is this the problem you are having? You'll notice that the createusers script uses /bin/false by default, but gives you the option to change that.... It makes sense that you can't ssh in to your box if it's set to /bin/false....you can't use the terminal if you have no environment to use...such as bash. I created users both ways for testing...some with /bin/false and some with /bin/bash The /bin/bash folks can ssh just fine...the others cannot. smbldap-useradd -m -a username creates users with /bin/bash as the shell by default....maybe we should change the script to default on /bin/bash? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 02:14:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:14:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =22problem=22?= In-Reply-To: <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 8:40 PM +0000 wrote: >I am useing the k12ltsp version of Fedora Core3, I am not able to ssh >into my >box remotely, is this the problem you are having? You'll notice that the createusers script uses /bin/false by default, but gives you the option to change that.... It makes sense that you can't ssh in to your box if it's set to /bin/false....you can't use the terminal if you have no environment to use...such as bash. I created users both ways for testing...some with /bin/false and some with /bin/bash The /bin/bash folks can ssh just fine...the others cannot. smbldap-useradd -m -a username creates users with /bin/bash as the shell by default....maybe we should change the script to default on /bin/bash? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Feb 9 03:16:00 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:16:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 7:48 PM +0000 wrote: > Computers are great tools, but they are only >tools, to be used in addition to other methods of education. What I'm >hearing here is such a strong teacher dependence on and attachment to >the computer, and worse, to certain specific applications, that I see it >compromising actual education in the classroom. It's preventing so many >of you from going forward with a truly useful, not to mention economic, >*computer* tool like K12LTSP. This isn't at all what I have been reading. I believe that anyone on this list wishes to promote technology toward support of "actual education". However, there are some of those 'certain applications' that teachers have been using to supplement curriculum (not replace) and the move to change is not easy. What I love to read are all the suggestions for solving the hurdles that we face as we move with the constantly changing technologies (and budget restraints). Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 03:33:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050209031502.M84434@winonacotter.org> > What's wrong with books, pencil, and > paper along with the computers? Why are you so against them? > > --TP Whoa! That is the bad side of email. I sometimes lack in accurately portraying my beliefs, it doesn't really provide a real time two way interaction I need to get my thoughts across. That being said I also completely agree with every thing you have stated as well. I feel that most of the kids in the schools I have been involved in are trained to take tests, and that is it. I have told people before that I really don't hold degree's in much regard other than it shows perseverence and the willingness to dedicate to something (crap, I just know that will be taken wrong as well :-). In fact a project I worked for a few years ago was real bad at this. And one of the classes they taught was to become a CCNA! Teachers were actually standing behind students coughing and grunting and stuff to indicate they would choose a different answer. We cranked about 60 CCNA certified kids out of that class per year that could at best crimp ends on a cable....sometimes. Why, if they didn't pass we didn't get paid. Horrible. I myself am guilty to just coasting through school and quick cramming the night before a test with end of the chapter tests and reading quiz notes and such, mostly because I just didn't have a teacher that really cared and got me involved with real life scenarios. The only classes I really excelled in were shop type classes, the teachers I had their were real life, and everything I did directly related to the real world, much more interesting. I totally agree that a lot of the teaching methods in the schools I have been in are terrible. I don't believe a teacher should be going through the motions with something they themselves don't understand (often the case with technology). I have no bias towards and "tool" used to educate as long as education is the actual outcome. I guess a lot of what has been said in the last few emails is what really boggles my mind about this list. I notice that a lot of the people on this list are in fact teachers trying to go that extra mile to better their tools in the classroom. This is awesome, I wish we had you guys in the schools I am involved in. And it at least gives me hope that my kids who are just now getting into school will have teachers like you, teachers who care and are actually there to educate and improve their lives, not just to grab a paycheck and go home (not that a paycheck is bad, I like mine, I'm not near as hungry with it :-). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 03:43:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:43:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050209033404.M80383@winonacotter.org> > What I'm hearing here is such a strong > teacher dependence on and attachment to the computer, and worse, to > certain specific applications, that I see it compromising actual > education in the classroom. It's preventing so many of you from > going forward with a truly useful, not to mention economic, > *computer* tool like K12LTSP. I kind of missed that point. Exactly. The biggest hurdle in every situation I have approached LTSP and OSS so far has been the Teachers. I don't think they are against it because of the benefits (duh), but becuase of fear of the unknown and the idea of change (also extra work to what I hear is already an overburdened schedule). This fear does/will compromise education as more budget cuts are approached and technology moves to the background due to lack of funding. This is why I have been trying to sell LTSP the concept and not LTSP the application. Again, to tell the truth most of the software available for Linux I have not had the chance to use. I don't need to. All I know is it is available, it is cheaper, and it is open which leads to more flexibility. If I get them to buy into those concepts, then we can nail down what it is they are trying to teach with these tools and find specific applications to accomplish these goals. And I think I have overcome these hurdles in 12 of the schools I am involved in and will be implementing K12LTSP and Linux (various platforms for other services) over the summer. Now I just have to figure out how to make it do what I promised them, but that proves to be the easier part. Especially with this list available and the users that comprise it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 9 03:56:03 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Micro Man) Date: 08 Feb 2005 22:56:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050209031502.M84434@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> <20050209031502.M84434@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1107921363.1494.15.camel@ydldevbox.cmosnetworks.com> On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 22:33, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I guess a lot of what has been said in the last few emails is what really > boggles my mind about this list. I notice that a lot of the people on this > list are in fact teachers trying to go that extra mile to better their tools > in the classroom. This is awesome, I wish we had you guys in the schools I > am involved in. And it at least gives me hope that my kids who are just now > getting into school will have teachers like you, teachers who care and are > actually there to educate and improve their lives, not just to grab a > paycheck and go home (not that a paycheck is bad, I like mine, I'm not near > as hungry with it :-). I wish we had more teachers like that, too. Boy, do I...the things we could do.... BTW, the "you" in my previous post was the general "you", not specifically you, Jim. I could've been more clear there; I'll be more careful w/ that. --TP From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 03:49:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:49:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <1107921363.1494.15.camel@ydldevbox.cmosnetworks.com> References: <000f01c50e15$575e0a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> <20050209031502.M84434@winonacotter.org> <1107921363.1494.15.camel@ydldevbox.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050209034744.M68829@winonacotter.org> > BTW, the "you" in my previous post was the general "you", not > specifically you, Jim. I could've been more clear there; I'll be > more careful w/ that. > > --TP Like I said, there are some expressions, thoughts, etc, that just aren't properly conveyed in email. No problem. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 03:53:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:53:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login "problem" In-Reply-To: References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> > You'll notice that the createusers script uses /bin/false by default, > but gives you the option to change that.... It makes sense that > you can't ssh in to your box if it's set to /bin/false....you can't > use the terminal if you have no environment to use...such as bash. > I created users both ways for testing...some with /bin/false and > some with /bin/bash The /bin/bash folks can ssh just fine...the > others cannot. smbldap-useradd -m -a username creates users with > /bin/bash as the shell by default....maybe we should change the > script to default on /bin/bash? Maybe I read this wrong but wasn't Matt saying that the usermod command wasn't working properly? So new users with useradd work fine, users created with the script don't because they are set to /bin/false, but users modified with usermod are changed from /bin/false to /bin/bash and still don't work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 9 04:00:07 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients In-Reply-To: <42096642.1020501@paasda.org> References: <42096642.1020501@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Huck wrote: > when using Writer and right-clicking on typo'd text with the squiggly red line > under it... > the clients lock up... > I've looked through logs to try and find a cause but have yet to locate > anything... > can others attempt to recreate this? > > I didn't believe it until students said, "hey watch, I can lock this thing up > whenever I want" > sure nuff..locked up... It is a bit slow for me the first time I do it (loading the dictionary, I assume), but after that it is fast. I don't see anything on this in bugzilla. What version are you using? -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 04:04:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:04:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac thins Message-ID: <20050209035550.M51827@winonacotter.org> Has anyone been successfull with getting any sound out of a Mac running as a true thin client from 4.2.0? If anyone has any suggestions I would love to give them a whirl. The first flavor I would like to putz with is the Bondi Blue (aka puke green) iMacs. They are what my schools have the most of and I know the elementary levels will want sound (why, only god knows. I've been in the labs with 30 kids playing bug town without headphones. I am suprised we still have teachers after that experience.) My first thought was setting the sound daemon to esd, then trying some of the sound tricks floating around in the last few days. Also I tried Gnome, KDE, and ICEWM. No luck. I am sure I won't have any luck since there isn't much that would know about the Mac hardware. Would it make any sense to load up YDL or something on one of these machines and throwing the XF86Config into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.bondi on the LTSP server and then setting a custom config by Mac address to use the custom Xconfig? This is my next best thought. I thought if that worked I'll try to get a config from every vintage I have and include them as /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.vintage in a new package so they are available to all by default who wish to support macs. Just looking for a maybe or something before I get started. For all I know the XF86Config has no effect on sound :-) Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 06:10:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:10:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] User Directories Not Protected after Webmin Import? Message-ID: When I have created users with User Manager, the directories for the users are protected. However, we used Webmin to import users at a school with 130 users, but the student directories are accessible to anyone. I don't see any settings to change this. Am I missing something obvious? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Feb 9 08:56:49 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 3:56:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients Message-ID: <12561050.1107939409842.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> I am having the same problem! I also figured it was the dictionary. If you wait until your document is finished, to spell check, and do the entire document, it works fine. I am using the version that comes with the latest version of k12ltsp; 1.1.2 I think it is. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 09:48:12 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:48:12 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D1D@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <00f001c50e8c$783de620$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Sean Harbour wrote: > Seems to work for the most part with > directory_administrator-1.5.1-2mdk.rpm on Mandrake 10.1 also. > > Sean Harbour > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see I have rpm version built on a k12LTSP 4.2.0 box if anyone would like it. You'll need to install the gnome-lib-devel rpm from CD 4 & openldap-devel rpm from CD 3 if I remember correctly Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 9 11:19:26 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:19:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] create user with reduced permissions Message-ID: <20050209111926.4AEB439CF@mprdmxin.myway.com> Is it possible to create a user with extra-low permissions on an already-existing system? I need to add a user and I want this person to have read-write access to his home directory (obviously), read-only access to one particular mount point, and no access to anything else. The purpose for this is to allow this one particular user to log in remotely and copy files from one particular mount point. Hmm, almost seems like what I want is an FTP server. But I'm open to anybody's suggestions on this one. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 9 11:21:09 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF@mprdmxin.myway.com> Sean, I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed on that system successfully? -Rob --- On Tue 02/08, Sean Harbour < SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > wrote: From: Sean Harbour [mailto: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:45:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Seems to work for the most part with directory_administrator-1.5.1-2mdk.rpm on Mandrake 10.1 also.

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For more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 9 11:29:41 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:29:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sample dhcpd.conf needed -- and a question Message-ID: <20050209112941.DEAD539FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Bimal, I don't have K12LTSP installed -- I am installing ltsp on another distro. The sample dhcpd.conf did not work for me (the terminal never finds the dhcp server, but knoppix does manage to get an IP address from it). So I'm wondering if somebody can show me a working dhcpd.conf. -Rob --- On Tue 02/08, Bimal Pandit < bimal.pandit at indoasian.com > wrote: From: Bimal Pandit [mailto: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: 08 Feb 2005 17:55:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sample dhcpd.conf needed -- and a question Dear Rob

actually it is not so difficult to have your own dhcp installed and use
it with ltsp, instead of depending on dhcp file from ltsp package.

dhcp from ltsp package provides dhcpd.conf in /etc directory while if
you install your dhcp server, i mean dhcp server package from your
distribution it will provide complete file/installation along with a
sample file, you will have a sample file as
/usr/share/doc/dhcp-3.0pl1/dhcpd.conf.sample. after installing this
package.

just copy this in /etc directory as dhcpd.conf and configure it as per
your requirements.

NOTE:- you need to install dhcp sever package, since ltsp will give you
only dhcpd.conf.

regards

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Wed Feb 9 12:07:46 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 09 Feb 2005 17:37:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sample dhcpd.conf needed -- and a question Message-ID: <1107950866.3939.80.camel@bp5575> Dear Rob, ------ SNIP ------- the terminal never finds the dhcp server, but knoppix does manage to get an IP address from it ------ SNIP ------- seems that your DHCP server is working but need to see why your clients are not getting it. 1) Network connection(Cable,switch/hub) 2) Lan Card 3) Bootable image anyway am sending you my dhcpd.conf and hosts, if it helps anyway. regards, Bimal Pandit -------------- next part -------------- /etc/dhcpd.conf --------------- # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 10.0.1.255; option routers 10.0.1.1; option domain-name-servers 10.0.1.3; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "10.0.1.3:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 10.0.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 10.0.1.51 10.0.1.100; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.1.3; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.1.3; host ltspA51 { # NODE :- WS001 hardware ethernet 00:0B:A1:56:91:E9; fixed-address 10.0.1.51; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } host ltspA52 { # NODE :- WS002 hardware ethernet 00:0B:48:72:D3:33; fixed-address 10.0.1.52; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } host ltspA53 { # NODE :- WS003 hardware ethernet 00:0B:48:82:A6:91; fixed-address 10.0.1.53; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } /etc/hosts ---------- ltspA51 10.0.1.51 ltspA52 10.0.1.52 ltspA53 10.0.1.53 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Feb 9 12:13:13 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:13:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients Message-ID: <1107951192.8286.190.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> From: Eric Harrison On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Huck wrote: > when using Writer and right-clicking on typo'd text with the squiggly red line > under it... > the clients lock up... > I've looked through logs to try and find a cause but have yet to locate > anything... > can others attempt to recreate this? > > I didn't believe it until students said, "hey watch, I can lock this thing up > whenever I want" > sure nuff..locked up... It is a bit slow for me the first time I do it (loading the dictionary, I assume), but after that it is fast. I don't see anything on this in bugzilla. What version are you using? -Eric _________________________ We have observed this many times since upgrading to K12 Ver 4.1.1, but only when the lab was at full capacity. On a related note: HP mentioned in it's white paper on MS terminal services, that server performance was enhanced and scaled better by turning off numerous non critical services one of which was Auto Spell Check as the default in MS Office. John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Feb 9 12:35:07 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:35:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness - solved Message-ID: <1107952507.8286.212.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> We started getting a lot of processes lingering after log out so we enabled the gdm-kdm-purge-user.sh script. One of the side effects was the BlueCuve Icon set returned. Maybe it was a lock file or something to do with gnome-settings-daemon. John From: John Baillie * To: "k12osn redhat com" * Subject: [K12OSN] Icon / Theme weirdness * Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:21:13 -0500 Hello, We've got a small problem and I can't quit figure out what's going on. Here's the scenario: Three Servers. Home is nfs mounted off server_1 Mrs. Teacher logs on to her terminal which is connected to server 3 Her desktop theme is generic Gnome icons and such and she cannot change her icon set. Mrs. Teacher logs on to either server_1 or server_2 and she has the nice bluecurv icons and she can change her icon set. Other users can customize their theme icons on server_3 Any ideas? Thanks John From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Feb 9 12:52:33 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange printer-problem Message-ID: <1107953553.3959.14.camel@voyager> I have 9 LTSP servers now. I am slowly migrating them to K12LTSP 4.2 one school at a time. The rest are K12LTSP 4.0.1. My problem is printing from Openoffice Calc. It does not print. At all. Printing from Firefox, writer etc, works like a charm. But when I try to print from calc - nothing happens. Our printers are HP Laserjet 4000 and HP Lasjerjet 4050. The problem seems to apply to both. It also seems like the problem exists on both 4.0.1 and 4.2. Therefore I have been unable to isolate the problem. I simply do not understand this. What is the difference in printing from calc and writer? Do they not use the same print motor? Regards Trond M?hlum From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 9 13:50:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:50:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Boot Disks for Legacy PCs In-Reply-To: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> References: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 13:20, Gary Frederick wrote: > I have several other computers with who knows what cards. > > What boot image should I get for the two cards listed above? > > Is there a magic decoder for the output of the lspci command to what is > on the Rom-O-matic site? Did you find the 'universal' boot floppy images? I've had good luck with the one from the thinstation project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThDownload?PHPSESSID=19f927781effaed087099784484f7ee8 (follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link near the bottom of the page. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 13:24:50 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:24:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050207193822.69710.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > Has anyone successfully installed these types of > "edutainment" apps on their servers and made them > available to all the users? If so, HOW? I'm deploying a Windows Terminal Server to provide access to Windows only software. Depending on what you're doing Crossover Server Edition http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxserver/ might work better for you. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 14:05:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:05:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome=?ISO-8859-1?Q? login =22problem=22?= In-Reply-To: <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > < > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> < > <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> < > <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 10:53 PM +0000 wrote: >So new users with useradd work fine, users created >with the script don't because they are set to /bin/false, but users >modified >with usermod are changed from /bin/false to /bin/bash and still don't >work. Try this.... Use usermod to change the user from /bin/false to /bin/bash....then...making note of the current password....recreate the user using smbldap-useradd Example: let's say we have a user named Santa Claus.....username is sclaus and password is nee72too....first run smbldap-usermod -s /bin/bash sclaus then run smbldap-useradd -m -a sclaus and then smbldap-passwd sclaus. (note I have not tried this so I'm asking for your evaluation) Then see if you can log into Gnome. The only other idea I have is to reboot after changing the user. What I'm wondering is if there is some /etc/skel stuff that needs to be copied for the user to work correctly after having been changed....just guessing here.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 14:18:49 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, k12ltsp wrote: > An EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com > Just visit the site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This website > is a great place to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. OT, but thanks for the great site! Is there a good search engine for sites like this? -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 14:30:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:30:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma -=?ISO-8859-1?Q? gnome ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? login =22problem=22?= In-Reply-To: References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > < > <, > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> < > <, > <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> < > <, > <, > <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> <,> Message-ID: Ok...I tried my own advice...here's what worked and what didn't.... First I ran smbldap-usermod -s /bin/bash ctrask to change the shell for user ctrask from /bin/false to /bin/bash Next I tried to run smbldap-useradd again on ctrask (doh! Can't do that as the user exists already) Next I rebooted....again....no dice...said the System Administrator has disable the account...Ok...at least I'm getting somewhere So...once I rebooted...I ran smbldap-usermod -P ctrask and changed the password....this took care of it....I am now able to log in to Gnome. This is not a critical issue, but I'm wondering if we should change back to /bin/bash by default. I am curious...and haven't been able to try it...does this /bin/false make it not possible to log in from a terminal? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 9:05 AM +0000 wrote: >Try this.... > >Use usermod to change the user from /bin/false to >/bin/bash....then...making note of the current password....recreate the >user using smbldap-useradd Example: let's say we have a user named >Santa Claus.....username is sclaus and password is nee72too....first run >smbldap-usermod -s /bin/bash sclaus then run smbldap-useradd -m -a >sclaus and then smbldap-passwd sclaus. (note I have not tried this so >I'm asking for your evaluation) Then see if you can log into Gnome. The >only other idea I have is to reboot after changing the user. What I'm >wondering is if there is some /etc/skel stuff that needs to be copied for >the user to work correctly after having been changed....just guessing >here.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Feb 9 14:35:22 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:05:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients In-Reply-To: <1107951192.8286.190.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> References: <1107951192.8286.190.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1107959722.4913.9.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 07:13 -0500, John Baillie wrote: > From: Eric Harrison > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Huck wrote: > > > when using Writer and right-clicking on typo'd text with the squiggly > red line > > under it... > > the clients lock up... > > I've looked through logs to try and find a cause but have yet to > locate > > anything... > > can others attempt to recreate this? > > > > I didn't believe it until students said, "hey watch, I can lock this > thing up > > whenever I want" > > sure nuff..locked up... > > It is a bit slow for me the first time I do it (loading the dictionary, > I assume), but after that it is fast. > > I don't see anything on this in bugzilla. What version are you using? Just ran a test sitting on a stand alone machine running FC3 OO1.1.2 The time taken is for loading the dictionary. Even on AMD-64bit stand alone this was significant.....especially if the word began with end alphabets. Aluminium (Aluminum) took much less time than Veneering (Vineering). I am using UK dictionary. So seems like a OO issue. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 14:49:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:49:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How I got Sound Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 9:18 AM +0000 wrote: >> An EXCELLENT page to test this is at http://www.starfall.com >> Just visit the site, choose the ABC, and see if audio works. This >website >> is a great place to use to demonstrate to teachers through k-3. We use this site a LOT...very nice site...the K-2 teachers and kids love it too. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 14:51:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:51:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] User Directories Not Protected after Webmin Import? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve Hargadon on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 1:10 AM +0000 wrote: >I don't see any settings to change this. Am I missing something obvious? Yep... chmod 700 /home/* this will make the home dirs invisible to everyone except the owner and root David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 14:52:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:52:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac thins In-Reply-To: <20050209035550.M51827@winonacotter.org> References: <20050209035550.M51827@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You're bringing a Mac LTSP set up to Linux World next week right? I've got to see this in action! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 14:54:46 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:54:46 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Vampire command to move from a Samba 2.27 domain to Samba 3 ldap domain Message-ID: <029601c50eb7$4c3f0650$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I've been try to move our existing samba domain over onto my `sandbox` machine using the following command net rpc vampire -S rho -U root root is just a samba admin user that I use to join machines to the domain, it's a different password to the usual "root" user. I've joined the machine to the domain and checked that is is showing in our existing /etc/samba/smbpasswd file but when I issue the command this is the error I get. Cannot import users from TANGIER at this time, as the current domain: TANGIER-BDC: S-1-5-21-2763748117-1761391023-2178874400 conflicts with the remote domain TANGIER: S-1-5-21-3889783498-3206798075-3096547488 Perhaps you need to set: security=user workgroup=TANGIER in your smb.conf? I've tried the security = user & security = domain but with the same results. Is it possible to set the SID to the same on both servers , if so how and what problems might it cause ?? What I'd like to do is copy everything over, disconnect new PDC from old network change it into a PDC, unplug an existing machine from old PDC and plug it into new PDC to se if I can login If it's not possible how can I move all the existing users & machine accounts over onto the new system without having to visit each machine in turn and join it to the new PDC. At the mo on my test network not a problem as it's only a couple of machines but I don't want to have to do it on all 500 ish machines when it going into mainstream use. Thanks Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 15:00:29 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:00:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Ohio SchoolNet Conference Message-ID: FYI, I will be presenting at the Ohio ShoolNet Conference next week at the Technoloy Coordinators Workbench using K12LTSP. My presentation is titled "The Easy Life of a Technology Coordinator" where I'll be discussing things that I do to make my job easier (and K12LTSP is one of those things). It's Tuesday morning at 10:30. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Wed Feb 9 15:00:59 2005 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Boot Disks for Legacy PCs In-Reply-To: <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <420A25AB.5060403@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > Did you find the 'universal' boot floppy images? I've had good luck > with the one from the thinstation project: > http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThDownload?PHPSESSID=19f927781effaed087099784484f7ee8 > (follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link near the bottom of the > page. > The Universal Boot Disk is great! I'm running my K12LTSP DHCP server on port 1067 so as not to conflict with the existing DHCP server (on a Netware box). Does anyone know if there is a Universal Boot Disk that can be configured for an alternate DHCP port? How difficult would it be for a non-programmer to make that change to the existing universal boot disk? Thanks! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Feb 9 15:02:02 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome=?ISO-8859-1?Q? login =22problem=22?= In-Reply-To: References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> < > < > <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> < > <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> < > <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <420A25EA.2030509@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 10:53 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>So new users with useradd work fine, users created >>with the script don't because they are set to /bin/false, but users >>modified >>with usermod are changed from /bin/false to /bin/bash and still don't >>work. >> >> Is the user's home initialized with files from /etc/skel? Is there an entry for the user in /etc/passwd that still has /bin/false as the shell? Looking in /etc/nsswitch.conf what do the passwd, shadow, and group lines look like? Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Wed Feb 9 15:08:50 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:08:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma gnome login problem In-Reply-To: References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com> <20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home> <1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com> <20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050209150850.GF3125@socrates.mojo.home> David Trask wrote: [Wed Feb 09 2005, 09:30:33AM EST] > So...once I rebooted...I ran smbldap-usermod -P ctrask and changed the > password....this took care of it....I am now able to log in to Gnome. Huh. I thought /bin/false would only disable ssh and virtual-terminal access, but it looks like even Gnome doesn't log you in if your shell is /bin/false. Well, just goes to show that I didn't test this... Yeah, this is a very bad default value to be in smbldap-useradd-bulk since it makes the accounts almost useless. :) > This is not a critical issue, but I'm wondering if we should change back > to /bin/bash by default. I am curious...and haven't been able to try > it...does this /bin/false make it not possible to log in from a terminal? I would be surprised if terminal logins worked, though I haven't been able to test this. http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-delta.tgz is now available with the new docs and a smbldap-useradd-bulk default shell of /bin/bash. I'll consider this an official release once I've tested it today: 1. use smb-ldap.pl on fresh K12LTSP install 2. mv userinof.start.sample userinfo.start and 'make' 3. join Windblows test box to domain and log in as a test user 4. verify that Windblows profile was created 5. log into LTSP server as test user 6. log into thin client as test user Once I've done those things I'll move the file to "smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz" and I'll send out another email. --matt -- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 15:16:26 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:16:26 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma gnome login problem References: <20050208233636.9E1D3736C0@hormel.redhat.com><20050209003528.GA3125@socrates.mojo.home><1107913207.420969f725c9b@msdigitaldzines.com><20050209035110.M95274@winonacotter.org> <20050209150850.GF3125@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <030f01c50eba$53010990$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Matt Oquist wrote: > David Trask wrote: [Wed Feb 09 2005, 09:30:33AM EST] >> So...once I rebooted...I ran smbldap-usermod -P ctrask and changed >> the password....this took care of it....I am now able to log in to >> Gnome. > > Huh. I thought /bin/false would only disable ssh and virtual-terminal > access, but it looks like even Gnome doesn't log you in if your shell > is /bin/false. Well, just goes to show that I didn't test this... > > Yeah, this is a very bad default value to be in smbldap-useradd-bulk > since it makes the accounts almost useless. :) > >> This is not a critical issue, but I'm wondering if we should change >> back to /bin/bash by default. I am curious...and haven't been able >> to try it...does this /bin/false make it not possible to log in from >> a terminal? > > I would be surprised if terminal logins worked, though I haven't been > able to test this. > > http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-delta.tgz is now available with > the new docs and a smbldap-useradd-bulk default shell of /bin/bash. > I'll consider this an official release once I've tested it today: > 1. use smb-ldap.pl on fresh K12LTSP install > 2. mv userinof.start.sample userinfo.start and 'make' > 3. join Windblows test box to domain and log in as a test user > 4. verify that Windblows profile was created > 5. log into LTSP server as test user > 6. log into thin client as test user > > Once I've done those things I'll move the file to > "smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz" and I'll send out another email. > > --matt I presume we can still override the default shell in the useradd-bulk script like we spoke about the other day ? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tom at pcc.com Wed Feb 9 15:24:36 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:24:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> <20050208185617.GA360048@pcc.com> Message-ID: <20050209152436.GA39922@pcc.com> Ok I am back again. I just ran a yum update and now roaming profiles don't work. David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 1:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I just installed the new package and it works. I am having only one > >problem > >now. > > > >I added myself through the smbldap-useradd script and I can log into the > >virtual consoles, I cannot log into gnome. What's happening? > > Reboot and you'll be fine.....seriously...there's something about the > process that rebooting takes care of...something that needs to > initialize....so reboot after installing Samba/LDAP....then it should work > fine. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thomas Astle PCC Support Specialist To contact us for... Support Questions and Help: 800-722-1082 "Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone stuff again!" From julius at turtle.com Wed Feb 9 15:28:15 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:28:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 07:16, Burke Almquist wrote: >> >>> And I really get a kick out of when the libraries argue for more >> >>> money >> >>> for books, when I just about never see a student reading a real book >> >>> anymore. In fact, I'll bet in a couple years some students won't >> >>> know >> >>> you you mean when you say the word "book" :-) >> >> >> >> At which point we all will have failed miserably in our jobs as >> >> educators. >> > >> > I'm sure they said the same thing when clay tablets went out of >> > style. >> > >> >> Yes, but we still know what clay tablets ARE. > > Books will be remembered as a biodegradable material that was used > before rechargable batteries were perfected. That is, if reliable > batteries for portable devices are ever invented... There may even > be a historic record of various quaint means used to search for > interesting passages contained in paper books that were used before > the invention of google. > > -- > Les Mikesell > Les, you are so optimistic, so into the bright future :-) I've got some 40+ years old computer tapes. Want to read them and tell me what they contain? Clay tablets survived in readable form more than 400 generations. We have computerized data that can not be read within the same generation! Books will be remembered as biodegradable nmatter (take a look at perfevctly preserved newsprint in the landfill - 4 generations), computers may get forgotten because they require a functioning infrastructure specifically geared to the technology, and technology changes quickly. p.s. you don't need the battery, you already have a neat power source (that might require some tweaking for off-planet work) - the sugars in your bloodstream combine well with oxygen. google on that to see how you generate electricity from that reaction. we'll need that until we switch to straight implantable devices driven by chemical reactions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCCiwP2LhlZOaj6vURAle5AJ9ooALMryEduVKV75muYFMhJdtXBgCfbGs/ T0ESs2lDaPVjbcbHa/ELcko= =KlcT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Wed Feb 9 18:30:38 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:30:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Ohio SchoolNet Conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4138443808.1107945038@[10.2.1.222]> >> It's Tuesday morning at 10:30. I will send some of my teachers. I am missing SchoolNet this year. What part of the state are you in ? I am in Youngstown. I thought I was alone in Ohio. Man that's good news. Good luck, Tom Ventresco From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 15:33:43 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:33:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <41FC4C87.1000408@maltzen.net> References: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> <41FC4C87.1000408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > You can also run the Mac OS on top of Linux, both OS X and Mac OS > 7.5.2-9.2.2. So for those cases where you need Mac apps, you should be > able to run the Mac OS on top of Linux on the server and remotely > display the whole thing at the thin client. See www.maconlinux.org for > more on that. The other thing to look into is the Mac server (I forget > what it's called at the moment). I was going to say that you couldn't, but I forgot all about MacOnLinux! I would like to supply AppleWorks to our LTSP, and I just might be able to do it with MacOnLinux. Downside is that you have to setup an application server on Mac hardware, but that shouldn't be too hard. I have no idea what the licensing would be though! Apple's EULA states that the OS has to run on Apple equipment, but I don't think it addresses where the program is displayed... :-) -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Wed Feb 9 15:34:58 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:34:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login problem In-Reply-To: <20050209151646.BB523734E4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050209151646.BB523734E4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050209153458.GI3125@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Christopher K. Johnson" > Is the user's home initialized with files from /etc/skel? [root at ltsp ~]# diff /etc/skel/ /home/tcat/ Common subdirectories: /etc/skel/Desktop and /home/tcat/Desktop Only in /home/tcat/: .dmrc Common subdirectories: /etc/skel/.kde and /home/tcat/.kde [root at ltsp ~]# > Is there an entry for the user in /etc/passwd that still has /bin/false > as the shell? /etc/passwd doesn't know anything about LDAP users. > Looking in /etc/nsswitch.conf what do the passwd, shadow, and group > lines look like? /etc/nsswitch.conf: passwd: files ldap shadow: files ldap group: files ldap > From: "Brian Chivers" > > Once I've done those things I'll move the file to > > "smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz" and I'll send out another email. > > > > --matt > > I presume we can still override the default shell in the useradd-bulk script > like we spoke about the other day ? Yep. We just decided that /bin/false wasn't a very good default for most users. --matt From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 9 15:51:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:51:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050209152436.GA39922@pcc.com> References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> < > <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> < > <20050208185617.GA360048@pcc.com> < > <20050209152436.GA39922@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 10:24 AM +0000 wrote: >Ok I am back again. I just ran a yum update and now roaming profiles >don't work. so quit running yum update silly! (just kidding)....can you check to see what the "profiles" entry in the Samba Config section of smbldap.conf looks like now? Also...if that doesn't work....try rebooting...and then if that doesn't work....try running the LATEST version of the script again http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz and make sure you create the users with /bin/bash and not /bin/false Let me know what works and what doesn't.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tom at pcc.com Wed Feb 9 16:00:51 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:00:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: References: <20050207221339.7321773AF9@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050207222651.GB1164@socrates.mojo.home> < > <20050207225518.M43053@winonacotter.org> < > <20050208185617.GA360048@pcc.com> < > <20050209152436.GA39922@pcc.com> Message-ID: <420A33B3.6030501@pcc.com> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 10:24 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Ok I am back again. I just ran a yum update and now roaming profiles >>don't work. >> >> > >so quit running yum update silly! (just kidding)....can you check to see >what the "profiles" entry in the Samba Config section of smbldap.conf >looks like now? Also...if that doesn't work....try rebooting...and then >if that doesn't work....try running the LATEST version of the script again > http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz and make sure you >create the users with /bin/bash and not /bin/false Let me know what >works and what doesn't.... > > > smbldap.conf : userProfile="\\BOLTON-PDC\profiles\%U" I ran the new script after wiping the machine yesterday slapcat shows the users having /bin/bash as their shell >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Feb 9 16:19:59 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:19:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login problem In-Reply-To: <20050209153458.GI3125@socrates.mojo.home> References: <20050209151646.BB523734E4@hormel.redhat.com> <20050209153458.GI3125@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <420A382F.5070501@gwi.net> Matt Oquist wrote: >>From: "Christopher K. Johnson" >> >> > > > >>Is the user's home initialized with files from /etc/skel? >> >> >[root at ltsp ~]# diff /etc/skel/ /home/tcat/ >Common subdirectories: /etc/skel/Desktop and /home/tcat/Desktop >Only in /home/tcat/: .dmrc >Common subdirectories: /etc/skel/.kde and /home/tcat/.kde >[root at ltsp ~]# > > > >>Is there an entry for the user in /etc/passwd that still has /bin/false >>as the shell? >> >> >/etc/passwd doesn't know anything about LDAP users. > > But is there an entry for the user there or not? Because as your nsswitch.conf entry below indicates - /etc/passwd is being checked before ldap. So an entry in /etc/passwd for the user specifying the old shell would supercede the ldap entry when posix user authentication occurs (such as ssh and console login). > > >>Looking in /etc/nsswitch.conf what do the passwd, shadow, and group >>lines look like? >> >> >/etc/nsswitch.conf: >passwd: files ldap >shadow: files ldap >group: files ldap > > > -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 16:40:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:40:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c50ec6$038098c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I was going to say that you couldn't, but I forgot all about > MacOnLinux! I would like to supply AppleWorks to our LTSP, > and I just might be able to do it with MacOnLinux. Downside > is that you have to setup an application server on Mac > hardware, but that shouldn't be too hard. I have no idea what > the licensing would be though! Apple's EULA states that the > OS has to run on Apple equipment, but I don't think it > addresses where the program is displayed... :-) Once I get the LDAP stuff setup on my new server and all of our i386 and mac thins booting from it my next task will be a appserver with maconlinux. I could really see this getting me past some teacher hurdles. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 9 16:38:38 2005 From: kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us (Kevin Shira) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:38:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? Message-ID: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> I've watched this list for some time now, but don't recall this question ever coming up. (Maybe it did, and those brain cells have been nuked. I blame it on the rotgut beverages I'm forced to drink because of my low salary.) I'm successfully weaning teachers and students from M$ Office. But OpenOffice doesn't have a Publisher equivalent, and that's a big problem with many teachers. They frequently use Publisher for flyers, posters, and the like, and they say they'll give it up only when I "pry it from their cold, dead fingers." Is there anything you've used that can approximate Publisher? It doesn't have to be as powerful, but the ability to insert cute bunny clip art and use stylish yet illegible fonts is a must. Plus (here's the bone cruncher), working under Linux AND Windows platforms would help. -- Kevin Shira Computer Technician Center Unified School District From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Feb 9 16:42:49 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:42:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: Try Scribus -- nice app. Sharon kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 11:38 AM +0000 wrote: >I've watched this list for some time now, but don't recall this question >ever coming up. (Maybe it did, and those brain cells have been nuked. >I blame it on the rotgut beverages I'm forced to drink because of my low >salary.) > >I'm successfully weaning teachers and students from M$ Office. But >OpenOffice doesn't have a Publisher equivalent, and that's a big problem >with many teachers. They frequently use Publisher for flyers, posters, >and the like, and they say they'll give it up only when I "pry it from >their cold, dead fingers." > >Is there anything you've used that can approximate Publisher? It >doesn't have to be as powerful, but the ability to insert cute bunny >clip art and use stylish yet illegible fonts is a must. Plus (here's >the bone cruncher), working under Linux AND Windows platforms would help. > >-- >Kevin Shira >Computer Technician >Center Unified School District > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Feb 9 17:02:19 2005 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:02:19 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] create-usernames-1.2-gamma.patch for smbldap-installer Message-ID: <34489.193.195.148.66.1107968539.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Dear all, Just picked the list regarding the the smbldap-installer. I was reading the readme and I want to add the help file stuff and use Pod::Usage etc. Attached is the first patch. This patch however, is only cleaning up create-usernames, which doesn't have : use strict I will add this to the other scripts if that is OK? P.S. I am a beginner perl coder, so please excuse me, but I thought all perl code should have use strict? Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: create-usernames-1.2-gamma.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 734 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjamfp-ltsp at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 17:56:06 2005 From: sjamfp-ltsp at yahoo.com (sjamfp-ltsp at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:56:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <20050209175606.61881.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> I use the OpenOffice drawing program to create large posters all the time. It has a posterize printing feature. You can add as much clip art to the libraries as you wish. I also use it to create greeting cards, envelopes, books, programs etc. Triplefold flyers, business cards or newsletters can easily be created with OpenOffice writer. All in Linux or Windows. Michael Powell St. James Academy --- Kevin Shira wrote: > I've watched this list for some time now, but don't > recall this question > ever coming up. (Maybe it did, and those brain > cells have been nuked. > I blame it on the rotgut beverages I'm forced to > drink because of my low > salary.) > > I'm successfully weaning teachers and students from > M$ Office. But > OpenOffice doesn't have a Publisher equivalent, and > that's a big problem > with many teachers. They frequently use Publisher > for flyers, posters, > and the like, and they say they'll give it up only > when I "pry it from > their cold, dead fingers." > > Is there anything you've used that can approximate > Publisher? It > doesn't have to be as powerful, but the ability to > insert cute bunny > clip art and use stylish yet illegible fonts is a > must. Plus (here's > the bone cruncher), working under Linux AND Windows > platforms would help. > > -- > Kevin Shira > Computer Technician > Center Unified School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 9 18:10:00 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:10:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D1F@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) >From: "Rob Owens" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF at mprdmxin.myway.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Sean, > >I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed on that system successfully? > >-Rob No, haven't tried as a matter of fact. I'm using a standard Fedora Core 3 K12LTSP 4.2 install. However, my workstation is Mandrake 10.1 Final, along with a fair amount of our servers, so I run some of my management tools directly from my workstation. Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional Education Service District 5825 NE Ray Circle Hilsboro, Oregon 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2853 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 18:12:56 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <42095DC8.60702@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > That's because I actually > learned how to *write*. > In short, having Reader Rabbit, etc. babysit our > kids obviously isn't > doing the job. > > Computers should certainly be taught as tools, for > example, for doing > Web-based research for a paper you're assigned to > write. They're also > pretty good for teaching typing (e. g. TuxType). > However, I don't > believe that sitting a second- or third-grader in > front of a CRT all day > is good for that child. Computers are great tools, > but they are only > tools, to be used in addition to other methods of > education. What I'm > hearing here is such a strong teacher dependence on > and attachment to > the computer, and worse, to certain specific > applications, that I see it > compromising actual education in the classroom. > It's preventing so many > of you from going forward with a truly useful, not > to mention economic, > *computer* tool like K12LTSP. What's wrong with > books, pencil, and > paper along with the computers? Why are you so > against them? > At my school, my teachers are NOT that dependent upon specific software apps. They ARE however, looking for ways that technology can SUPPLEMENT their existing non-technology-based curriculums. For example, as we prepare for state-wide MAP tests, we are looking at using some web-based software apps, like BrainPOP.com. This would be great since it is cross-platform. BUT, I still don't have sound working in my linux labs, sot that's a bummer... Another example, we are looking into a grant for Reading First to help get students reading at grade level by grade three. There are several curriculums that don't involve computers in any form at all, which if fine by me. BUT we also want some SUPPLEMENTAL, tech-based options. Here is where things like Reader Rabbit and other programs come into play. Until we can make things like this work on LTSP, there will be a big uphill battle into the American Education System (at least at the Elementary level). In Missouri, we have a program called eMINTS which has just gone nation-wide. Mizzou University and the State Dept. had partnered for several years, putting computer labs into classrooms, training the teachers on the technology AND inquiry-based learning and letting them collaborate. The results? Just as we would expect, test scores are higher, student achievement is higher, teacher satisfaction is higher, even attendance is higher. The problem? This model is based on the stand-alone PC running Windows XP, MS Office, Kidspiration/Inspiration... etc. Very specific software (all MS-based). Very specific training to the teachers (all MS-based). Not even MS-Terminal-Server stuff! So you can imagine my frustratio n. I KNOW we can make the same things happen in our classrooms in Open-Source, but it AIN'T EASY!!!!! I'm a teacher, not really a techie (but it IS my job description). I WANT the technology to do all that it promises. I DON'T want to be tied to MS or any other proprietary format. BUT, my tech dreams are coming true in other schools in my state and they've got the money and they've got Microsoft stuff and they've got the training on that stuff and the software they use runs on it ONLY. Whaddya say to that? What can we do? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Wed Feb 9 18:35:16 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:35:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: RE: RE: smbldap-installer v. 1.2-gamma - gnome login problem In-Reply-To: <20050209163840.02B357323B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050209163840.02B357323B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050209183516.GA27687@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Christopher K. Johnson" > >>Is there an entry for the user in /etc/passwd that still has /bin/false > >>as the shell? > >/etc/passwd doesn't know anything about LDAP users. > But is there an entry for the user there or not? Because as your > nsswitch.conf entry below indicates - /etc/passwd is being checked > before ldap. So an entry in /etc/passwd for the user specifying the old > shell would supercede the ldap entry when posix user authentication > occurs (such as ssh and console login). Right - I wasn't specific enough. No, there is no /etc/passwd entry for the users in question. I did check that, I just gave you the explanation without the confirmation. :) Hmm. Just now I tried the following with two test users, each of which was created with the /bin/false shell: 1. grab slapcat output 2. change test user's shell from /bin/false to /bin/bash 3. grab slapcat output2 4. try to log in as test user - success with fcatt, failure with mmouse 5. change test user's password 6. grab slapcat output3 7. try to log in as test user - success with fcatt, failure with mmouse Nothing obviously magic or unexpected happens between step #3 and step #6, so I don't know why changing the user's password would enable the login (and I don't know why it didn't fix mmouse). Sounds like it might be time to abandon computer science (wherein I establish hypotheses and perform experiments to prove or disprove them) and embrace the reading of documentation... BTW, if anybody wants to you can access my LTSP test system like this for now: ssh -p8887 root at mojo.yi.org I make no guarantees whatsoever about uptime or whatever; you can just log in and poke around if you wish. Just be nice. :) If anybody does anything nasty at all, this will go away even faster than it is going to anyway... The password is..."asdf". --matt From holtniurka at cantv.net Wed Feb 9 18:35:23 2005 From: holtniurka at cantv.net (Richard) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:35:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OO locks up clients In-Reply-To: <1107959722.4913.9.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1107951192.8286.190.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> <1107959722.4913.9.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <200502091435.24290.holtniurka@cantv.net> On Wed 9 February 2005 10:35, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 07:13 -0500, John Baillie wrote: > > From: Eric Harrison > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Huck wrote: > > > > > when using Writer and right-clicking on typo'd text with the squiggly > > red line > > > under it... > > > the clients lock up... > > > I've looked through logs to try and find a cause but have yet to > > locate > > > anything... > > > can others attempt to recreate this? > > > > > > I didn't believe it until students said, "hey watch, I can lock this > > thing up > > > whenever I want" > > > sure nuff..locked up... > > > > It is a bit slow for me the first time I do it (loading the dictionary, > > I assume), but after that it is fast. > > > > I don't see anything on this in bugzilla. What version are you using? > > Just ran a test sitting on a stand alone machine running FC3 OO1.1.2 The > time taken is for loading the dictionary. Even on AMD-64bit stand alone > this was significant.....especially if the word began with end > alphabets. Aluminium (Aluminum) took much less time than Veneering > (Vineering). I am using UK dictionary. > > So seems like a OO issue. You might check to see if you're still loading all the default dicts that come with OOo. The dicts used the more time it takes to get them all in memory. Richard. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 18:41:28 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs Message-ID: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to get used computers donated for use in developing world countries and using K12LTSP. I can ask for any type of computer I want (I might not get them but I can always ask :-) but the older the unit the better the chance of getting it for free. There is even the possibility of picking up the old ones locally in those countries even if it means buying them, because they may be less than what it costs to ship them. So my question is "What kind of performance hit would we take by using 486's as thin clients instead of PIs or PIIs ?? My initial thought is none. Am I correct? -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From dgough at papcs.com Wed Feb 9 18:58:55 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:58:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032AFA0B9@xms.papcs.com> There probably wouldn't be much of a performance issue, but you may have a hard time finding a 486 linux kernel. The thin clients need to load a kernel from the server in order to run the basic software required to connect to the terminal server and have a graphical environment. I don't think any of that stuff has been compiled for 486 for a long time. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lefebvre Sent: February 9, 2005 10:41 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs I'm looking to get used computers donated for use in developing world countries and using K12LTSP. I can ask for any type of computer I want (I might not get them but I can always ask :-) but the older the unit the better the chance of getting it for free. There is even the possibility of picking up the old ones locally in those countries even if it means buying them, because they may be less than what it costs to ship them. So my question is "What kind of performance hit would we take by using 486's as thin clients instead of PIs or PIIs ?? My initial thought is none. Am I correct? -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robowens at myway.com Wed Feb 9 19:32:59 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:32:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP Message-ID: <20050209193259.B65C03A5C@mprdmxin.myway.com> Maybe the answer is to develop GPL'd software to replace Reader Rabbit and all the other hot titles that I keep hearing about. I see a lot of people on this list asking for Linux replacement to these programs. Maybe some of those same people have programming skills and/or know someone who does. And if there are no programming skills in that group of people, maybe you all should consider setting up a fund and paying an experienced developer to write the software for you. I saw a developer's site that operated on a neat concept. He called it "ransom". The deal was, he was working on developing GPL software, but he wouldn't make releases until he collected a certain amount in donations--he was holding the new releases for ransom. I wish I could remember the name of the site / software title. Anyway, if lots of donations came in, he would put extra time into writing code. If donations slowed down, he'd work on other projects that paid better. I'm just mentioning it in case anybody needs some ideas on how to pay a developer to write software which will be freely available to anyone around the world. -Rob --- On Wed 02/09, richard ingalls < aslansreturn at yahoo.com > wrote: From: richard ingalls [mailto: aslansreturn at yahoo.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly"
--- "Terrell Prud?, Jr."
wrote:

> Jim Kronebusch wrote:

> That's because I actually
> learned how to *write*.
> In short, having Reader Rabbit, etc. babysit our
> kids obviously isn't
> doing the job.
>
> Computers should certainly be taught as tools, for
> example, for doing
> Web-based research for a paper you're assigned to
> write. They're also
> pretty good for teaching typing (e. g. TuxType).
> However, I don't
> believe that sitting a second- or third-grader in
> front of a CRT all day
> is good for that child. Computers are great tools,
> but they are only
> tools, to be used in addition to other methods of
> education. What I'm
> hearing here is such a strong teacher dependence on
> and attachment to
> the computer, and worse, to certain specific
> applications, that I see it
> compromising actual education in the classroom.
> It's p! reventing so many
> of you from going forward with a truly useful, not
> to mention economic,
> *computer* tool like K12LTSP. What's wrong with
> books, pencil, and
> paper along with the computers? Why are you so
> against them?
>


At my school, my teachers are NOT that dependent upon
specific software apps. They ARE however, looking for
ways that technology can SUPPLEMENT their existing
non-technology-based curriculums. For example, as we
prepare for state-wide MAP tests, we are looking at
using some web-based software apps, like BrainPOP.com.
This would be great since it is cross-platform. BUT,
I still don't have sound working in my linux labs, sot
that's a bummer...

Another example, we are looking into a grant for
Reading First to help get students reading at grade
level by grade three. There are several curriculums
that don't involve computers in any form at all, which
if fine by me. B! UT we also want some SUPPLEMENTAL,
tech-based options. He! re is wh ere things like Reader
Rabbit and other programs come into play.

Until we can make things like this work on LTSP, there
will be a big uphill battle into the American
Education System (at least at the Elementary level).

In Missouri, we have a program called eMINTS which has
just gone nation-wide. Mizzou University and the
State Dept. had partnered for several years, putting
computer labs into classrooms, training the teachers
on the technology AND inquiry-based learning and
letting them collaborate. The results? Just as we
would expect, test scores are higher, student
achievement is higher, teacher satisfaction is higher,
even attendance is higher.

The problem? This model is based on the stand-alone
PC running Windows XP, MS Office,
Kidspiration/Inspiration... etc. Very specific
software (all MS-based). Very specific training to
the teachers (all MS-based). Not even
MS-Terminal-Server stuff!

So! you can imagine my frustratio n. I KNOW we can
make the same things happen in our classrooms in
Open-Source, but it AIN'T EASY!!!!! I'm a teacher,
not really a techie (but it IS my job description). I
WANT the technology to do all that it promises. I
DON'T want to be tied to MS or any other proprietary
format. BUT, my tech dreams are coming true in other
schools in my state and they've got the money and
they've got Microsoft stuff and they've got the
training on that stuff and the software they use runs
on it ONLY.

Whaddya say to that? What can we do?



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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 19:38:14 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network design In-Reply-To: References: <1816872888.1105623467@10.2.34.139> <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> <4205B826.6000207@tclcommunications.co.nz> <420655C1.30908@cmosnetworks.com> <4209071F.2020601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560502091138489c557@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried it with LTSP? This is from the Firehose site: "There are catches of course. FIREHOSE is purely a data transfer library and does not implement a TCP layer over multiple devices nor does it have any security features. " Dosen't this mean you can olny use it to send files manually? Peter On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:30:00 -0500, steve gilmore wrote: > If you are looking for doubling up ethernet cards to increase bandwidth > speed (channel bonding), there is a program i found on the following website > that does it for you. Just compile and install. It was meant for high speed > video transfer. " FIREHOSE " > > 2 x fast ethernet 100mbs -- would create 200mbs throughput or, > 2 x gigabit 1000mbs -- would create 2000mbs throughput. > > http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 > > cheers > SteveG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rita Gibson" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:38 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network design > > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > >> Paul Satherley wrote: > >> > >>> Sharon Betts wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello everyone -- can I get a discussion going to help me sort out my > >>>> plans? > >>>> > >>>> I would like some input on my network design. I have 4 schools and a > >>>> business office; 3000 users; and over 1000 machines (growing by leaps > >>>> and > >>>> > >>> LTSP scales to 30 thin-clients per 4G ram and a dual Cpu box..with that > >>> in mind. > >>> > >> > >> That depends on what desktop you have people using, which apps they're > >> expected to run, etc. For either GNOME or KDE with OpenOffice.org and > >> Firefox/Thunderbird (or traditional Mozilla), I'd say between 30 and 40 > >> thin clients is the max. My dual-proc server with 4GB DRAM handles 25 > >> today and has enough room for another roughly 15 before swapping starts > >> taking place. My kids run their choice of GNOME or KDE. > >> > >> On the other hand, if you have the users running, say, IceWM or XFce, you > >> could probably put more than 40 users on. If you're talking apps with > >> few screen updates like OO.o and Moz/Firefox/Tbird, go for it. If you > >> have a bunch of people running, say, TuxType, which is known for large > >> amounts of screen updates, then network bandwidth becomes the bottleneck. > >> Even a Gig-E card can keep up with only 14 people playing TuxType at > >> 1024x768x24bit. That number may rise at lower resolutions; I would > >> expect it to. In the TuxType situation, you'd want to use two Gig-E NICs > >> in your server, ganged together in what Cisco parlance calls an > >> "EtherChannel" (I think the official term is "multilink"). Then you can > >> get as many as 28 TuxType users. > > > > Eli: > > > > I need to find out how to do this! I think we have one more gigabit port > > to the lab switches..... > > > > Rita > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:03:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:03:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP server Message-ID: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I have an all in one server right now that is doing just about everything for a school and is running WBEL 3.0.1. I want to take the entire /home directory and all users from this machine and move it to the new SMB/LDAP/K12LTSP server. Once user and files are moved I want to NFS export /home then make the current WBEL server nfs mount /home from the new LDAP server and also switch from local unix users to authenticating to the new LDAP server. Is this as simple as tarring the current /home and expanding it on the new server? The NFS export should already be setup from the SMB/LDAP installer script right? I have a database with the usernames and passwords in plain text, but I assume the best way would be to export from the server so as to preserve user ID's for permissions to the /home folders? If so how to I export this information into a format that the bulk add scripts will recognize? A lot of questions I know. Luckily I am not under any pressure to get this done now. I just need to know how for my migration at the end of the school year. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Wed Feb 9 21:06:15 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:06:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hostname:resolver Message-ID: <1107983175.420a7b47d6392@www.msdigitaldzines.com> On my sandbox I have k12tslp version installed, I am not able to resolve my hostname,from windows XP client, I can connect to the server via ssh using putty buy not by hostname, what method of hostname resolution is this version setup by default, o by the way using Samab + LDAP, thanks to the script. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:12:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:12:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Auth LDAP Message-ID: <000101c50eec$1711a430$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Is there anyone successfully authenticating OSX against SMB/LDAP yet? I tried some stuff I found in Google and some of the suggestions from last week and don't exactly get errors, I just can't log into the machine with any of the LDAP users. So I suppose the best thing to do is first explain what I want to accomplish. First I want users to get to a login screen on the OSX machines. Then they type in their username and password (which should be pulled from the LDAP server) just like they would log into a WinX machine or a terminal. I don't want to choose from a list of local users on the OSX boxes. Eventually when this works I want to have it run a startup script or something similar to how a WinX box does and mount their home folders on login. Then I'll bundle this working setup into an image to toss out from a Netboot server. That way my OSX lab machines will boot a new image everytime, and all users will be pulled from the LDAP server, and all user data stored on their home folder. I have an OSX sandbox machine all ready for any suggestions. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Feb 9 20:29:43 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:29:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange route table 169.254.0.0 Message-ID: Did i miss something in ltsp routing table? I'm missing the local loopback 127.0.0.1 entry and i have this additionnal 169.254.0.0 network pointing to eth1, that would be on the Internet side.? ifconfig reports everything is OK Cant figure out were loopback went and were 169.254 came from. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:16:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:16:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hostname:resolver In-Reply-To: <1107983175.420a7b47d6392@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <000201c50eec$a60df350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > On my sandbox I have k12tslp version installed, I am not able > to resolve my hostname,from windows XP client, I can connect > to the server via ssh using putty buy not by hostname, what > method of hostname resolution is this version setup by > default, o by the way using Samab + LDAP, thanks to the script. My first thought is to add dns info to your internal DNS server or to your hosts file on the Win box. Has this been done yet? You shouldn't be able to access by hostname from any internal machine without DNS setup or a local hosts file. On Windows2000 the host file is under C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc and I think this is the same on XP Pro. Otherwise just do a search for hosts, you should only have one file. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:18:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:18:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange route table 169.254.0.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c50eec$ed923560$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> The standard IP address to assign to a system that can't obtain a dhcp address is 169.254.x.x (can't remember the rest). So my guess is your eth1 is setup for dhcp but is not grabbing an address and defaulting to 169.254.x.x and that is why you show routing for 169.254.0.0 Did i miss something in ltsp routing table? I'm missing the local loopback 127.0.0.1 entry and i have this additionnal 169.254.0.0 network pointing to eth1, that would be on the Internet side.? ifconfig reports everything is OK Cant figure out were loopback went and were 169.254 came from. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Wed Feb 9 21:22:12 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:22:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hostname:resolver In-Reply-To: <000201c50eec$a60df350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c50eec$a60df350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1107984132.420a7f040da2c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Quoting Jim Kronebusch : > > On my sandbox I have k12tslp version installed, I am not able > > to resolve my hostname,from windows XP client, I can connect > > to the server via ssh using putty buy not by hostname, what > > method of hostname resolution is this version setup by > > default, o by the way using Samab + LDAP, thanks to the script. > > My first thought is to add dns info to your internal DNS server or to > your hosts file on the Win box. Has this been done yet? You shouldn't > be able to access by hostname from any internal machine without DNS > setup or a local hosts file. > > On Windows2000 the host file is under C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc and That worked for my windows XP laptop, is there an efficient way of doing this, I have over 1500 pc that would need this? > I think this is the same on XP Pro. Otherwise just do a search for > hosts, you should only have one file. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 9 21:26:54 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:26:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: 486 thin client Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D23@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> 486's as thin clients are problematical. They work, but usually are short on memory, and the video is slow. Also, the network interfaces are usually 10 Mb, which hurts a lot. The rule of thumb for a good thin client seems to be 64MB RAM, 100Mb network, and PCI video card. Some high end 486 machines met this criteria (barely) during the transition to pentiums around 10 years ago, but they were rare. If you try to use them, you will be spending a fair amount of time getting a suitably compiled kernel and getting the video drivers to work correctly. Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2560 bytes Desc: not available URL: From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Wed Feb 9 21:29:44 2005 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:29:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange route table 169.254.0.0 In-Reply-To: <000701c50eec$ed923560$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c50eec$ed923560$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050209212944.GA12200@4j.lane.edu> Around Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:18:41PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch, wrote: > The standard IP address to assign to a system that can't obtain a dhcp > address is 169.254.x.x (can't remember the rest). So my guess is your > eth1 is setup for dhcp but is not grabbing an address and defaulting > to 169.254.x.x and that is why you show routing for 169.254.0.0 > > there is no rest of 169.254.x.x, the computer will try and assign itself in the 169.254.0.0/16 range. I think the computer will attempt to determine if a specific 3 octet is used, then assign an IP in that range. ie, if the first computer self assigns 169.254.5.23 , then the second one would self assign something in 169.254.5.0/24. Hmm, just thinking, I don't recall if the netmask on a self assigned is 255.255.255.0, or 255.255.0.0. RFC 3330 lists special use IPV4 addresses. -- Roger Morris 687-3579 morris_r at 4j.lane.edu From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Feb 9 21:35:33 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:35:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: 486 thin client Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119EE7@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Check with your local Goodwills and Refurbishing outfits. They typically have a MULTITUDE of ~p133 machines sitting around that they'd gladly give to you, especially if you were going to use them for something like this. You might have to spring the $5 for a 100x NIC, but those can be had for the cost of shipping sometimes, as well. -dhbarr. PS: My lab is built of exactly such machines... 64mb (16MB x 4). Around , Sean () wrote: > 486's as thin clients are problematical. They work, but usually are > short on memory, and the video is slow. Also, the network interfaces > are usually 10 Mb, which hurts a lot. The rule of thumb for a good > thin client seems to be 64MB RAM, 100Mb network, and PCI video card. > Some high end 486 machines met this criteria (barely) during the > transition to pentiums around 10 years ago, but they were rare. If > you try to use them, you will be spending a fair amount of time > getting a suitably compiled kernel and getting the video drivers to > work correctly. > > Sean Harbour From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:36:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:36:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hostname:resolver In-Reply-To: <1107984132.420a7f040da2c@www.msdigitaldzines.com> Message-ID: <001601c50eef$7b67f3f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > That worked for my windows XP laptop, is there an efficient > way of doing this, I have over 1500 pc that would need this? I run an internal DNS server and have my dhcp server hand out this internal server for DNS. I run this separate from the external server (unless you want to do split DNS with bind). My internal dns server has all names like ltsp.mydomain.com pointed to the internal IP addresses say 10.0.0.1. My external DNS server points the same names like ltsp.mydomain.com to 204.248.118.1. If you don't run your own external DNS server it is no big deal, just use an internal one. This give me ultimate control over naming to all of my users immediately. Just do a yum install bind and go nuts. You first need to setup a zone file say yourdomain.org. in /var/named and then modify /etc/named to point to your added zone files. Any changes you make restart dhcp with /etc/init.d/dhcp restart to have them take effect. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 21:41:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:41:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Auth LDAP In-Reply-To: <000101c50eec$1711a430$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001701c50ef0$2e46a9d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Is there anyone successfully authenticating OSX against > SMB/LDAP yet? I tried some stuff I found in Google and some > of the suggestions from last week and don't exactly get > errors, I just can't log into the machine with any of the LDAP users. I think I have got it. I just need to do some tweaking for mounting home folders on login. I'll post a how to when I'm done. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 21:44:29 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:44:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert: I don't think you'll have much trouble getting the P1s. I'd be glad to help you. I'm involved in a large project in Kenya with LTSP, and an international bank is donating the 40,000 computers needed, with most of them coming from Africa. There are other good channels as well. I'm also on a listserve with access to about 400 non-profit computer refurbishers, and I would bet we'd get some help from them. Steve On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:28 -0500, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > I'm looking to get used computers donated for use in developing world > countries and using K12LTSP. I can ask for any type of computer I want > (I might not get them but I can always ask :-) but the older the unit > the better the chance of getting it for free. There is even the > possibility of picking up the old ones locally in those countries even > if it means buying them, because they may be less than what it costs > to ship them. So my question is "What kind of performance hit would we > take by using 486's as thin clients instead of PIs or PIIs ?? My > initial thought is none. Am I correct? > -- > MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 9 22:00:16 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:00:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OSX application server Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D24@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> An OSX application server? Brilliant! Only one showstopper I can see. The applications that you export to the thin clients have to be native X windows apps. The OSX native Aqua applications can't be exported to a thin client except via VNC or some other remote viewing protocol. That might work, but I don't know how you would run multiple Aqua desktops on a single OSX server. Any thoughts? Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2467 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 9 22:03:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:03:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OSX application server In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D24@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D24@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050209220100.M12788@winonacotter.org> > Only one showstopper I can see. The applications that you export to > the thin clients have to be native X windows apps. The OSX native > Aqua applications can't be exported to a thin client except via VNC > or some other remote viewing protocol. That might work, but I don't > know how you would run multiple Aqua desktops on a single OSX server. That is why I was thinking MacOnLinux. If MOL runs the applications it must do some conversion so that X can view the apps. So if MOL ran the app, displayed it on X, and then the X session is mirrored to the clients, wouldn't that work? I have no idea. Just a thought. Jim M already pointed out that native OSX apps wouldn't be ported to work with X so I saw this as a workaround. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From scott at hosef.org Wed Feb 9 22:10:17 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:10:17 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420A8A49.1000107@hosef.org> richard ingalls wrote: > > Another example, we are looking into a grant for > Reading First to help get students reading at grade > level by grade three. There are several curriculums > that don't involve computers in any form at all, which > if fine by me. BUT we also want some SUPPLEMENTAL, > tech-based options. Here is where things like Reader > Rabbit and other programs come into play. Supplemental is the critical word. We try to associate that with the purpose of the computers as much as possible. That said, with respect to your big question of what to do, I observe a shopper looking for a product, with money to spend. > > Until we can make things like this work on LTSP, there > will be a big uphill battle into the American > Education System (at least at the Elementary level). The killer apps always slow the migration process. We need market demand. > > In Missouri, we have a program called eMINTS which has > just gone nation-wide. Mizzou University and the > State Dept. had partnered for several years, putting > computer labs into classrooms, training the teachers > on the technology AND inquiry-based learning and > letting them collaborate. The results? Just as we > would expect, test scores are higher, student > achievement is higher, teacher satisfaction is higher, > even attendance is higher. It appears to be the whole package: computers, curricula, and training. A solution awaiting the buyer. Oh, and it uses that term that I am trying to become more familiar with, "inquiry-based learning". Sounds like rtfm to me. > > The problem? This model is based on the stand-alone > PC running Windows XP, MS Office, > Kidspiration/Inspiration... etc. Very specific > software (all MS-based). Very specific training to > the teachers (all MS-based). Not even > MS-Terminal-Server stuff! The solution? To mirror the model with OSS tools. Last year I observed the sheer joy at the Boys and Girls Club when a glossy folder arrived with descriptions of computer literacy curricula. There were tracks for all the office apps, graphical apps, and computer basics. It just so happened that they were all ms based. The program cost $BUCKS$. It did not matter that I was already doing a lot of this as part of a self-sustaining mentoring project that is turning kids into instructors. It did not matter that half of the computers they planned on running this program on were in fact Linux. The OS is beyond ubiquitous for them. The allure of an easy, out-of-the box, paint-by-numbers program is simply too strong to overcome with goodwill alone. Here 'we' continue to lose. Oh, the funding never materialized for that program. Our organic program is growing. > > So you can imagine my frustratio n. I KNOW we can > make the same things happen in our classrooms in > Open-Source, but it AIN'T EASY!!!!! I'm a teacher, > not really a techie (but it IS my job description). I > WANT the technology to do all that it promises. I > DON'T want to be tied to MS or any other proprietary > format. BUT, my tech dreams are coming true in other > schools in my state and they've got the money and > they've got Microsoft stuff and they've got the > training on that stuff and the software they use runs > on it ONLY. > > Whaddya say to that? What can we do? As an educator, you can become a catalyst who precipitates the same federal, state, and university support this program receives. Weed and Seed. Every State has a University needing to conduct community outreach as well as basic research. I continue to recruit more professors at UH to take interest in the research potential and economic opportunities in OSS. From benchmarking the performance of students before and while using K12LTSP labs to harnessing the braintrust of programming students to create Reader Rabbit alternatives, Grant-Worthy research opportunities exist. That next OSS lab you install is a lab in more ways than one. Your local businesses need proof that OSS is a usable and viable alternative with a supportable infrastructure. This evidence exists in every one of our labs. Who is documenting and touting this, and to what end? Rob Owens' comments are right on. Sourceforge, here we come. "Maybe the answer is to develop GPL'd software to replace Reader Rabbit and all the other hot titles that I keep hearing about. I see a lot of people on this list asking for Linux replacement to these programs. Maybe some of those same people have programming skills and/or know someone who does. And if there are no programming skills in that group of people, maybe you all should consider setting up a fund and paying an experienced developer to write the software for you." --scott From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Feb 9 22:56:54 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:56:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: <420A8A49.1000107@hosef.org> References: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> <420A8A49.1000107@hosef.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 5:10 PM +0000 wrote: >Maybe the answer is to develop GPL'd software to replace Reader Rabbit >and all the other hot titles that I keep hearing about I also think that many of these "killer" apps can be make into web applications. Just look at starfall.com -- Look at the Sun Star Office tutorials, Learn2Type, etc. Actually, I believe some of the companies (Broderbund, Thompson etc.) are also looking at offering web models of their programs. Then all you need is a browser!! Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 9 23:13:01 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:13:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D1F@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200502092312.j19NCmxd029817@mx3.redhat.com> Has anyone or is anyone using LAM (LDAP ACCOUNT MANAGER)- http://lam.sourceforge.net/ --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sean Harbour Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) >From: "Rob Owens" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF at mprdmxin.myway.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Sean, > >I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed on that system successfully? > >-Rob No, haven't tried as a matter of fact. I'm using a standard Fedora Core 3 K12LTSP 4.2 install. However, my workstation is Mandrake 10.1 Final, along with a fair amount of our servers, so I run some of my management tools directly from my workstation. Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional Education Service District 5825 NE Ray Circle Hilsboro, Oregon 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 9 23:55:34 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:55:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <420AA2F6.5070304@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Lefebvre wrote: >I'm looking to get used computers donated for use in developing world >countries and using K12LTSP. I can ask for any type of computer I want >(I might not get them but I can always ask :-) but the older the unit >the better the chance of getting it for free. There is even the >possibility of picking up the old ones locally in those countries even >if it means buying them, because they may be less than what it costs >to ship them. So my question is "What kind of performance hit would we >take by using 486's as thin clients instead of PIs or PIIs ?? My >initial thought is none. Am I correct? > > Go for Pentium I's or higher. A Pentium-60 would be just fine as a thin client, as long as the motherboard supports PCI. PCI support is the real kicker here. It is true that 486's certainly have the CPU oomph to be thin clients, but not many of them have PCI. A 486 with a PCI slot would in theory be just fine, but the PCI support in 486's was said to frequently have issues. That said, if running 10Mbps NICs is OK in your situation, and 486's with ISA or EISA are what are available, then try a few out and see if they work out for your situation. In my experience, thin clients need to have 32MB DRAM, though NFS swap will allow you to do it in 16MB on x86's. They don't need more than 32MB, but it obviously wouldn't hurt anything if they do have more. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 10 00:00:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:00:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:28, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > you are so optimistic, so into the bright future :-) > > I've got some 40+ years old computer tapes. Want to read them and tell me > what they contain? If the contents mattered, you could easily have copied them every 10 years onto media that cost 10% of the previous iteration and takes 10% of the space. I'd venture a guess that all the tapes you've saved wouldn't fill a 5 gig DVD that costs about a dollar today. And if you had it on a DVD now, the next copy would only take a few minutes. > Clay tablets survived in readable form more than 400 > generations. We have computerized data that can not be read within the > same generation! Only a few tablets have survived that long - generally everything degrades eventually. Would you rather fund the next generation of scribes to chisel away or just put your ipod on it's base and have 60 gigs (this generation) squirt over the firewire automatically for a new, non-degraded copy. If there is an argument here it is against the technology of the bad old days when we didn't have cross-platform networking. > Books will be remembered as biodegradable nmatter (take a > look at perfevctly preserved newsprint in the landfill - 4 generations), > computers may get forgotten because they require a functioning > infrastructure specifically geared to the technology, and technology > changes quickly. If people don't bother with the (now) easy process of copying data from technology on its way out to the currently cheaper replacement, it is probably because no one wanted the content. I've kept about everything I've typed into a computer since the early 80's (haven't bothered with the CD->DVD step for the really old stuff yet...) but I can't find notes I wrote on a paper a week ago. There is a danger in non-standard data formats, but those can be avoided. In fact it would be good if cross-platform computer use in education made that issue obvious to everyone. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 10 00:09:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:09:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP server In-Reply-To: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 4:03 PM +0000 wrote: >Is this as simple as tarring the current /home and expanding it on the >new server? The NFS export should already be setup from the SMB/LDAP >installer script right? I've actually done this....what I did was create my user accounts on my Samba/LDAP server.....then I moved the homedirs....then I reran the user script to fix permissions on the folders. The usernames must be exactly the same though. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 10 00:09:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:09:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP server In-Reply-To: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 4:03 PM +0000 wrote: >Is this as simple as tarring the current /home and expanding it on the >new server? The NFS export should already be setup from the SMB/LDAP >installer script right? I've actually done this....what I did was create my user accounts on my Samba/LDAP server.....then I moved the homedirs....then I reran the user script to fix permissions on the folders. The usernames must be exactly the same though. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 10 00:28:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:28:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP server In-Reply-To: References: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050210002215.M43550@winonacotter.org> > I've actually done this....what I did was create my user accounts on > my Samba/LDAP server.....then I moved the homedirs....then I reran > the user script to fix permissions on the folders. The usernames > must be exactly the same though. So you are saying that as long as the usernames I import into the new LDAP server match the usernames of the current server, exactly, I could just copy the current /home to the new /home and rerun the smbldap-installer and that will automatically assign proper privileges to the folders? Cool! What do you recommend as the best way to move the folders from the existing /home to the new one? I was thinking tar from past suggestions I have seen. What would be the proper syntax to tar /home? I have not ran the bulk add script yet, what is the proper file format for this? Or is this specified in a readme inside the tar.gz file? I suppose I should download it and check out huh? The only catch I could see here are service specific users like the postfix user and so on. I should probably export users from the current server to be sure they are included as well. Running the smbldap-installer shouldn't affect these users, right? Lastly, once the users and directories have been migrated, what is the best way to switch my current server to authenticating against LDAP and not grap from local users? Thanks for all your help with this. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 10 01:01:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:01:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? server?= In-Reply-To: <20050210002215.M43550@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c50eea$dd57ebb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <20050210002215.M43550@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 7:28 PM +0000 wrote: >Lastly, once the users and directories have been migrated, what is the >best >way to switch my current server to authenticating against LDAP and not >grap >from local users? Run authconfig David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From kmgrant at actaccess.net Thu Feb 10 01:15:37 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:15:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot In-Reply-To: <001601c50d49$02cbede0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <54517.137.118.219.55.1107800539.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> <001601c50d49$02cbede0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4969.137.118.184.208.1107998137.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> I think I solved the booting problem. There was a device I was unaware of that had the same IP address as eth0 - 192.168.0.254. I discovered it when I was watching the server boot. After disconnecting that workstation I was able to successfully boot. Thanks Jim, I set the WAN and LAN sides up as you recommended and things are much better. Cheers, Ken >> The router/firewall has a 10.0.0.1 address and the external >> NIC has a static IP address of 10.0.0.254. Also, I've turned >> of DHCP on the router so the only place a workstation should >> be getting an IP address is from the ltsp server. If I >> remember correctly, the internal NIC is using DHCP has an IP >> address of 192.168.0.254. Actually, both NICs should be set >> to stactic, coorect? >> >> As for the router, it should go directly into the external >> NIC using a crossover cable by-passing the switch. Is that right? >> >> Do you think this might be a DNS problem or are we still too >> early in the boot process for DNS to come into play. > > I am not exactly one of the experts on the list here. But I'll keep > trying. Here is how you should have it setup: > > WAN side > Router 10.0.0.1 -> standard patch cable from router switch to eth1 eth1 > static 10.0.0.254 > > LAN or ltsp side > eth0 static 192.168.0.254 -> standard patch cable to switch > switch via standard patch to all clients > > No in your earlier post I saw that you said the router was connected to > the same switch as the workstations. You don't want that if you are > performing a standard 2 nic install. Set up things just as described > above. > > Also if you have the firewall enabled....disable it. I usually do this > on initial install just to be sure I don't have any firewalling issues. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 10 01:45:18 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:45:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OO dictionary(plural?) and modes.. Message-ID: <420ABCAE.90108@paasda.org> 1.) OO dictionaries...where to locate/disable/autoload maybe? 2.) X_MODE_0 ... LCD's I bought have native mode of 1280x1024... I can not find any modes for that... currently they are running in 1024x768 @ 72mHz...and there is shadowing of the taskbar...3 or 4 lines at the bottom of the screen.. I've been wrestling with it for the past hour to no avail, hoping someone out there has some ideas... also... ZAxisMapping = "4 5" does not enable the wheel on the mice to scroll ... using IMPS/2 As always...THANKS! --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 10 01:58:13 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting Workstations to Boot In-Reply-To: <4969.137.118.184.208.1107998137.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> References: <54517.137.118.219.55.1107800539.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> <001601c50d49$02cbede0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4969.137.118.184.208.1107998137.squirrel@webmail0.neonova.net> Message-ID: <20050210015622.M26670@winonacotter.org> > There was a device I was unaware of that had the same IP address as > eth0 - 192.168.0.254. I discovered it when I was watching the > server boot. After disconnecting that workstation I was able to > successfully boot. > > Thanks Jim, I set the WAN and LAN sides up as you recommended and things > are much better. Glad I was able to help. I run into IP conflicts when I go into other schools and businesses all of the time. They can be a real pain to track down. Good thing you found that before you went crazy :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Feb 10 03:42:29 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:42:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <420AD825.2060109@snet.net> Kevin Shira wrote: > I've watched this list for some time now, but don't recall this > question ever coming up. (Maybe it did, and those brain cells have > been nuked. I blame it on the rotgut beverages I'm forced to drink > because of my low salary.) > > I'm successfully weaning teachers and students from M$ Office. But > OpenOffice doesn't have a Publisher equivalent, and that's a big > problem with many teachers. They frequently use Publisher for flyers, > posters, and the like, and they say they'll give it up only when I > "pry it from their cold, dead fingers." > > Is there anything you've used that can approximate Publisher? It > doesn't have to be as powerful, but the ability to insert cute bunny > clip art and use stylish yet illegible fonts is a must. Plus (here's > the bone cruncher), working under Linux AND Windows platforms would help. > Scribus is a great publishing tool. It's in the "office" menu of your ltsp install. Works great. It can't handle M$Pub files; I don't think there's a FOSS app that can, or, indeed, any app that can beside M$Pub, but it can do everything Pub can. IMHO, it's better. Also, for fliers and posters, etc., Openoffice.org has several very handy tools (I think someone has already suggested that). Scribus does not run in Windows, to my knowledge, but I could be wrong. Openoffice.org does. Neither comes bundled with the same old crappy clipart we've all seen for the past decade, though. tony From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Thu Feb 10 04:15:09 2005 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:15:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange route table 169.254.0.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502100447.j1A4lHk5022348@mx1.redhat.com> See http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-April/msg03576.html for what it is and how to remove it. Adding NOZEROCONF=yes to /etc/sysconfig/network will remove it if you want to. Mark Orenstein _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Guy-Michel Lessard Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:30 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Strange route table 169.254.0.0 Did i miss something in ltsp routing table? I'm missing the local loopback 127.0.0.1 entry and i have this additionnal 169.254.0.0 network pointing to eth1, that would be on the Internet side.? ifconfig reports everything is OK Cant figure out were loopback went and were 169.254 came from. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Feb 10 05:04:09 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:34:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1108011849.8704.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:12, Sharon Betts wrote: > Try Scribus -- nice app. > Sharon add one more vote for scribus page layout. And use sodi-podi for vector graphics + gimp for photo and you have a excellent publishing system -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Feb 10 05:13:20 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:13:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs In-Reply-To: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <420AED70.5080602@magic.fr> Damn Small Linux might fit your needs... there are few 486s left in circulation but you can find plenty of PIs... I like DSL for the speed of install of the OS but it's still kinda dodgy with the X server... we use X -query 192.168.0.254 to config client boxes... it's cheap, dirty and relatively easy: http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+Client+Solutions http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+Client+Solutions#id513439 K12LTSP to get real traction in the low-to-no money school districts need a simple X server unix installer... IMHO... best of luck! Dennis Robert Lefebvre wrote: >I'm looking to get used computers donated for use in developing world >countries and using K12LTSP. I can ask for any type of computer I want >(I might not get them but I can always ask :-) but the older the unit >the better the chance of getting it for free. There is even the >possibility of picking up the old ones locally in those countries even >if it means buying them, because they may be less than what it costs >to ship them. So my question is "What kind of performance hit would we >take by using 486's as thin clients instead of PIs or PIIs ?? My >initial thought is none. Am I correct? > > -- lost and found here: www.dennisgdaniels.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Feb 10 12:45:11 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:45:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs In-Reply-To: <420AED70.5080602@magic.fr> References: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> <420AED70.5080602@magic.fr> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Slackware is still complied for the 486. It will take advantage of pentium or higher speeds, but the minimum cpu is still i486. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkILV1cACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQh2ACfQZEESkqEN7FmBvFh6iwdLbPZ WzIAnRXbpO4912qXj43lEfRMdJYsIfws =rgp6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Feb 10 12:53:17 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:53:17 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Strange=20route=20t?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?able=20169.254.0.0?= Message-ID: Well that makes sense, thanks for the response! >>> morris_r at 4j.lane.edu 2005-02-09 16:29:44 >>> Around Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:18:41PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch, wrote: > The standard IP address to assign to a system that can't obtain a dhcp > address is 169.254.x.x (can't remember the rest). So my guess is your > eth1 is setup for dhcp but is not grabbing an address and defaulting > to 169.254.x.x and that is why you show routing for 169.254.0.0 > > there is no rest of 169.254.x.x, the computer will try and assign itself in the 169.254.0.0/16 range. I think the computer will attempt to determine if a specific 3 octet is used, then assign an IP in that range. ie, if the first computer self assigns 169.254.5.23 , then the second one would self assign something in 169.254.5.0/24. Hmm, just thinking, I don't recall if the netmask on a self assigned is 255.255.255.0, or 255.255.0.0. RFC 3330 lists special use IPV4 addresses. -- Roger Morris 687-3579 morris_r at 4j.lane.edu _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Feb 10 13:06:25 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:06:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac thins In-Reply-To: <20050209035550.M51827@winonacotter.org> References: <20050209035550.M51827@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <420B5C51.306@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Has anyone been successfull with getting any sound out of a Mac running as a > true thin client from 4.2.0? Not as a true thin client, but as a chubby client. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 13:07:14 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:07:14 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin References: <200502092312.j19NCmxd029817@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <008601c50f71$70e25790$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Mark Sarria wrote: > Has anyone or is anyone using LAM (LDAP ACCOUNT MANAGER)- > > http://lam.sourceforge.net/ > > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Sean Harbour > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin > >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) >> From: "Rob Owens" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF at mprdmxin.myway.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Sean, >> >> I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed >> on that system successfully? >> >> -Rob > > No, haven't tried as a matter of fact. I'm using a standard Fedora > Core 3 K12LTSP 4.2 install. However, my workstation is Mandrake 10.1 > Final, along with a fair amount of our servers, so I run some of my > management tools directly from my workstation. > > Sean Harbour > Network Engineer > Northwest Regional Education Service District > 5825 NE Ray Circle > Hilsboro, Oregon > 503-614-1448 > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I do on my sandbox system. Once I figured out the correct setting's it seems to work really well. I can let you have a copy of the config files if you like Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 14:15:12 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:15:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) Message-ID: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or /dev/null for their $SHELL I am confused and don't know where to go from here. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Feb 10 14:41:44 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:41:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> Message-ID: <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> Tom Astle wrote: > After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. > > I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or > /dev/null for their $SHELL > I am confused and don't know where to go from here. What packages were part of the yum update? Details can be found in /var/log/yum.log. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 14:47:17 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:47:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> Message-ID: <420B73F5.1090701@pcc.com> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Tom Astle wrote: > >> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. >> >> I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or >> /dev/null for their $SHELL >> I am confused and don't know where to go from here. > > > What packages were part of the yum update? Details can be found in > /var/log/yum.log. > Chris > Can you see this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: yum.log Type: text/x-log Size: 6493 bytes Desc: not available URL: From julius at turtle.com Thu Feb 10 15:03:34 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:03:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:28, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> Les, >> you are so optimistic, so into the bright future :-) >> >> I've got some 40+ years old computer tapes. Want to read them and tell >> me >> what they contain? > > If the contents mattered, you could easily have copied them every 10 > years onto media that cost 10% of the previous iteration and takes > 10% of the space. I'd venture a guess that all the tapes you've > saved wouldn't fill a 5 gig DVD that costs about a dollar today. And > if you had it on a DVD now, the next copy would only take a few > minutes. > Well, Les, obviously I had other things to do that just came up at the time I was about to do a 10 year content move to new media and format. Good advice, and as such usually not heeded :-) I also have books that are well over 200 years old, perfectly readable, without copying the contents every 10 years. >> Clay tablets survived in readable form more than 400 >> generations. We have computerized data that can not be read within the >> same generation! > > Only a few tablets have survived that long - generally everything > degrades eventually. Would you rather fund the next generation of > scribes to chisel away or just put your ipod on it's base and have > 60 gigs (this generation) squirt over the firewire automatically > for a new, non-degraded copy. If there is an argument here it > is against the technology of the bad old days when we didn't have > cross-platform networking. Les, if you find an ipod 5000 years from now, you probably won't remember what the heck it was, it will be somewhat fossilized and the base will be nowhere handy and there might be some changes in the delivery of electrical power. Of course, you would have by then diligently moved the contents to new media 500 times. Btw, your assumptions on time it takes to move data are widely optimistic - the set up alone can take a while if the memory of the process is somewhat foggy after 10 years (of course we could consult the manual and as we know, that takes no time at all). > >> Books will be remembered as biodegradable nmatter (take a >> look at perfevctly preserved newsprint in the landfill - 4 generations), >> computers may get forgotten because they require a functioning >> infrastructure specifically geared to the technology, and technology >> changes quickly. > > If people don't bother with the (now) easy process of copying data > from technology on its way out to the currently cheaper replacement, > it is probably because no one wanted the content. That is just pantently not true - we don't have time to mess with copying data and we tend to wrongly assume that it will be readable "later". You find out that you need stuff, when you need it and the level on concern about stuff we might need is much lower that on the stuff we -will- need. With older tapes 10 year interval was not sufficient and often the copying process was destructive. I *have* witnessed a self destruction of a DVD during copy - mechanical failures still happen. All I was trying to say is that you disdain old, quaint, slow, but well known, well working and very robust technology and want it immediately replaced with the new technology that is in its infancy. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as geeky as the next guy on the list, but I am old enough and lazy enough to know that the technology is supposed to work for me, not the other way round. What we have now does *not* warrant the wholesale abandonment of books, on the contrary - the book learning is now desperately needed to get kids to actually think and write. Those that I see on job interviews are most certainly incapable of either. The one obvious ommission in our discussion is that to use any tool, you need to know the job you are trying to do. Computers can help in solving problems, but you better know how to think before you use them, otherwise you end up with ... well, you end up with high school graduates that I get to see. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCC3fG2LhlZOaj6vURAtTEAJ9aOHwn4bCoX7ML7zPM3sXoxNeAHQCeOUPc Ox7Qa6PxDhOf8KksOxIlImI= =Hl/v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Thu Feb 10 15:23:32 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:23:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Move users and home from existing server to new LDAP server (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050210044720.D823F73065@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050210044720.D823F73065@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050210152332.GC17414@socrates.mojo.home> > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > > I've actually done this....what I did was create my user accounts on > > my Samba/LDAP server.....then I moved the homedirs....then I reran > > the user script to fix permissions on the folders. The usernames > > must be exactly the same though. I think Dave might be referring here to his own users script; smbldap-useradd-bulk doesn't fix permissions or ownership; it will print any errors it finds in ownership of the top-level /home/ directories. > So you are saying that as long as the usernames I import into the new LDAP > server match the usernames of the current server, exactly, I could just copy > the current /home to the new /home and rerun the smbldap-installer and that > will automatically assign proper privileges to the folders? Cool! Wouldn't you really want to simply export your current database and import the data into your new db? $ slapcat -l out $ slapadd -l out Thought judging by the slapcat man-page, you're supposed to somehow re-order the slapcat output before importing it. Too bad the man-page doesn't explain anything more about that... Also, note that slapd shouldn't be running when you do the export or import. I wouldn't worry about it while you're testing, but once you do the production user migration, I would shut slapd down on both systems first. > What do you recommend as the best way to move the folders from the > existing /home to the new one? I was thinking tar from past suggestions I > have seen. What would be the proper syntax to tar /home? I recommend either tar or rsync. On a single machine (possibly with an NFS mount one place or the other): $ cd /mnt/oldhome/ $ tar czvf /root/home.tgz ./ $ cd /newhome/ $ tar xzvf /root/home.tgz or $ rsync -avu /mnt/oldhome/ /newhome/ The ending slashes above are important. The following is NOT what you want because it will create a directory called "oldhome" inside "newhome": $ rsync -avu /mnt/oldhome /newhome/ Or, if you want to do this over the network (and without using NFS): $ cd /mnt/oldhome $ tar czf - ./ | ssh root at newldapserver "cd /home; tar xzvf -" or $ rsync -avuessh /mnt/oldhome/ root at newldapserver:/home/ On a semi-related note, see http://majen.net/docs/linux-clone-howto.txt. It has more examples of how to use 'tar' and 'rsync' to copy things hither and thither. > I have not ran the bulk add script yet, what is the proper file format for > this? Or is this specified in a readme inside the tar.gz file? I suppose I > should download it and check out huh? Heh - yes, it's all documented in there. > The only catch I could see here are service specific users like the postfix > user and so on. I should probably export users from the current server to > be sure they are included as well. Running the smbldap-installer shouldn't > affect these users, right? I wouldn't touch system users. Let the new server create them itself. Nope, the smbldap-installer won't touch these users. Good luck! --matt From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 10 15:53:36 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:53:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their purpose is. Thanks -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 10 16:08:54 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: <1108011849.8704.9.camel@server.ltsp> References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> <1108011849.8704.9.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <420B8716.60202@paasda.org> I'm more of a fan of Inkscape than sodi-podi... and inkscape has a win32 flavour as well --Huck Sudev Barar wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:12, Sharon Betts wrote: > > >>Try Scribus -- nice app. >>Sharon >> >> > >add one more vote for scribus page layout. >And use sodi-podi for vector graphics + gimp for photo and you have a >excellent publishing system > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 10 16:10:22 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 486s or PIs In-Reply-To: References: <1761a09805020910417f1499dd@mail.gmail.com> <420AED70.5080602@magic.fr> Message-ID: <420B876E.2070509@paasda.org> it actually runs quite well on a 486/33 with 4 megs of ram =) My very first experience with linux...installing it on a laptop in college... BUT...do not attempt to recompile the kernel on that system... it took a mere 28hrs. --Huck Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Slackware is still complied for the 486. > It will take advantage of pentium or higher speeds, but the minimum > cpu is still i486. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkILV1cACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQh2ACfQZEESkqEN7FmBvFh6iwdLbPZ > WzIAnRXbpO4912qXj43lEfRMdJYsIfws > =rgp6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 10 16:01:53 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:01:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: <008601c50f71$70e25790$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <200502101601.j1AG1liS020694@mx3.redhat.com> Yea, sure, What's the degree of difficulty for installing and configuring? --mark -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:07 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Mark Sarria wrote: > Has anyone or is anyone using LAM (LDAP ACCOUNT MANAGER)- > > http://lam.sourceforge.net/ > > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Sean Harbour > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin > >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) >> From: "Rob Owens" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF at mprdmxin.myway.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Sean, >> >> I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed >> on that system successfully? >> >> -Rob > > No, haven't tried as a matter of fact. I'm using a standard Fedora > Core 3 K12LTSP 4.2 install. However, my workstation is Mandrake 10.1 > Final, along with a fair amount of our servers, so I run some of my > management tools directly from my workstation. > > Sean Harbour > Network Engineer > Northwest Regional Education Service District > 5825 NE Ray Circle > Hilsboro, Oregon > 503-614-1448 > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I do on my sandbox system. Once I figured out the correct setting's it seems to work really well. I can let you have a copy of the config files if you like Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 10 16:02:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:02:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Rob, option-129 is used to pass command-line arguments to the kernel during the boot process. This is ONLY when using Etherboot to load the kernel. And, Etherboot will ignore option-129, unless option-128 contains the special value of 'e4:45:74:68:00:00'. Most of the time, you don't need to pass any special arguments to the kernel. But, if you have an ISA network adapter, you'll need to tell the kernel about it, so that the proper driver module can be loaded. So, you'll see things like: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; That will inform the kernel that you want to load the ne2000 network driver module, and the IO address is 0x300. Some cards, like the 3com 3c509 don't require the IO parameter. Again, the above parameters are only used for Etherboot, and it really doesn't matter whether you are booting from an etherboot floppy or an etherboot bootrom. For PCI network cards, we don't need to pass these parameters, because the kernel+initrd can scan the PCI bus and discover the PCI card, and then it does a lookup in a table, to see which module to load. That's why I consider a minimum LTSP thin client to be anything with a PCI bus. It's just so much easier than dealing with old ISA stuff. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their purpose is. > > Thanks > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 16:06:12 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:06:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> Message-ID: <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Tom Astle wrote: > >> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. >> >> I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or >> /dev/null for their $SHELL >> I am confused and don't know where to go from here. > > > What packages were part of the yum update? Details can be found in > /var/log/yum.log. > Chris > yum.conf Feb 09 09:21:26 Updated: tzdata.noarch 2005c-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:21:28 Updated: rmt.i386 0.4b39-1.FC3 Feb 09 09:23:35 Updated: glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.fc3 Feb 09 09:24:07 Updated: glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.fc3 Feb 09 09:24:15 Updated: bash.i386 3.0-18 Feb 09 09:24:20 Updated: glib2.i386 2.4.8-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:24:50 Updated: python.i386 2.3.4-13.1 Feb 09 09:24:59 Updated: libselinux.i386 1.19.1-8 Feb 09 09:25:02 Updated: libxml2.i386 2.6.16-3 Feb 09 09:25:05 Updated: grep.i386 2.5.1-31.4 Feb 09 09:25:07 Updated: krb5-libs.i386 1.3.6-2 Feb 09 09:25:14 Updated: pam.i386 0.77-66.2 Feb 09 09:25:17 Updated: shadow-utils.i386 2:4.0.3-56 Feb 09 09:25:20 Updated: dbus.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 Feb 09 09:25:21 Updated: libpng.i386 2:1.2.8-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:25:24 Updated: rhpl.i386 0.148.1-2 Feb 09 09:25:26 Updated: dbus-glib.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 Feb 09 09:25:27 Updated: hotplug.i386 3:2004_04_01-8.1 Feb 09 09:25:30 Updated: libtiff.i386 3.6.1-9.fc3 Feb 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pam-devel.i386 0.77-66.2 Feb 09 09:28:59 Updated: rsh-server.i386 0.17-24.1 Feb 09 09:29:02 Updated: krb5-devel.i386 1.3.6-2 Feb 09 09:29:06 Updated: krb5-workstation.i386 1.3.6-2 Feb 09 09:29:16 Updated: libxml2-devel.i386 2.6.16-3 Feb 09 09:29:17 Updated: vim-minimal.i386 1:6.3.054-0.fc3.1 Feb 09 09:29:19 Updated: libselinux-devel.i386 1.19.1-8 Feb 09 09:29:26 Updated: python-devel.i386 2.3.4-13.1 Feb 09 09:29:47 Updated: gamin.i386 0.0.17-1.FC3 Feb 09 09:29:51 Updated: boost.i386 1.32.0-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:29:53 Updated: jwhois.i386 3.2.2-6.FC3.1 Feb 09 09:29:55 Updated: hwbrowser.noarch 0.19-0.fc3.2 Feb 09 09:29:58 Updated: words.noarch 3.0-2 Feb 09 09:30:02 Updated: man.i386 1.5o1-7 Feb 09 09:30:08 Updated: enscript.i386 1.6.1-28.0.4 Feb 09 09:30:11 Updated: gdb.i386 6.1post-1.20040607.43 Feb 09 09:30:12 Updated: httpd-suexec.i386 2.0.52-3.1 Feb 09 09:30:13 Updated: rsh.i386 0.17-24.1 Feb 09 09:30:15 Updated: mikmod.i386 3.1.6-30.2 Feb 09 09:30:16 Updated: zip.i386 2.3-26.3 Feb 09 09:30:18 Updated: dump.i386 0.4b39-1.FC3 Feb 09 09:30:25 Updated: xorg-x11-libs.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:30:32 Updated: initscripts.i386 7.93.5-1 Feb 09 09:30:44 Updated: gtk2.i386 2.4.14-2.fc3 Feb 09 09:35:01 Installed: kernel.i686 2.6.10-1.760_FC3 Feb 09 09:35:15 Updated: xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:35:19 Updated: hal.i386 0.4.7-1.FC3 Feb 09 09:35:22 Updated: xorg-x11-font-utils.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:35:46 Updated: samba.i386 3.0.10-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:36:40 Updated: openoffice.org-libs.i386 1.1.3-2.5.fc3 Feb 09 09:36:43 Updated: NetworkManager.i386 0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 Feb 09 09:36:57 Updated: xorg-x11-Mesa-libGLU.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:37:01 Updated: iptables.i386 1.2.11-3.1.FC3 Feb 09 09:37:04 Updated: system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 1.4.18-2 Feb 09 09:37:09 Updated: gtksourceview.i386 1.1.0-4.fc3 Feb 09 09:37:22 Updated: cups.i386 1:1.1.22-0.rc1.8.5 Feb 09 09:37:24 Updated: xorg-x11-xauth.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:37:39 Updated: system-config-printer.i386 0.6.116.1.1-1 Feb 09 09:37:43 Updated: xorg-x11-xfs.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:38:15 Updated: xorg-x11.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:39:05 Updated: gnome-media.i386 2.8.0-3.FC3.1 Feb 09 09:40:26 Updated: openoffice.org.i386 1.1.3-2.5.fc3 Feb 09 09:40:46 Updated: gaim.i386 1:1.1.2-0.FC3 Feb 09 09:40:48 Updated: dhclient.i386 7:3.0.1-30_FC3 Feb 09 09:41:05 Updated: arts.i386 8:1.3.1-1 Feb 09 09:41:13 Updated: httpd.i386 2.0.52-3.1 Feb 09 09:41:28 Updated: thunderbird.i386 0.9-1.fc3 Feb 09 09:41:29 Updated: dbus-x11.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 Feb 09 09:41:31 Updated: prelink.i386 0.3.3-0.fc3 Feb 09 09:41:53 Updated: firefox.i386 1.0-2.fc3 Feb 09 09:41:54 Updated: vixie-cron.i386 1:4.1-20_FC3 Feb 09 09:42:26 Updated: gedit.i386 1:2.8.1-2.fc3 Feb 09 09:42:29 Updated: yum.noarch 2.1.12-0.fc3 Feb 09 09:42:30 Updated: dhcpv6_client.i386 0.10-11_FC3 Feb 09 09:42:32 Updated: system-config-securitylevel.i386 1.4.18-2 Feb 09 09:42:35 Updated: pcmcia-cs.i386 3.2.7-2.1 Feb 09 09:42:38 Updated: kernel-utils.i386 1:2.4-13.1.49_FC3 Feb 09 09:42:39 Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-2.75 Feb 09 09:42:42 Updated: system-config-display.noarch 1.0.24-1 Feb 09 09:42:45 Updated: system-config-samba.noarch 1.2.26-0.fc3.1 Feb 09 09:42:47 Updated: xorg-x11-tools.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 Feb 09 09:42:49 Updated: ipsec-tools.i386 0.3.3-2 Feb 09 09:42:52 Updated: nfs-utils.i386 1.0.6-44 Feb 09 09:43:00 Updated: gpdf.i386 2.8.2-2.2 Feb 09 09:43:02 Updated: NetworkManager-gnome.i386 0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 Feb 09 09:43:18 Erased: boost-devel From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 10 16:08:21 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:08:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <20050210160821.3CC3D39FF@mprdmxin.myway.com> So it sounds like if I'm using pci ethernet cards, then these 2 lines aren't needed. But is it possible that they would mess anything up if I leave them uncommented? -Rob --- On Thu 02/10, Jim McQuillan < jam at McQuil.com > wrote: From: Jim McQuillan [mailto: jam at McQuil.com] To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:02:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf Rob,

option-129 is used to pass command-line arguments to the kernel during
the boot process. This is ONLY when using Etherboot to load the kernel.

And, Etherboot will ignore option-129, unless option-128 contains the
special value of 'e4:45:74:68:00:00'.

Most of the time, you don't need to pass any special arguments to the
kernel. But, if you have an ISA network adapter, you'll need to tell
the kernel about it, so that the proper driver module can be loaded.
So, you'll see things like:

option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300";

That will inform the kernel that you want to load the ne2000 network
driver module, and the IO address is 0x300.

Some cards, like the 3com 3c509 don't require the IO parameter.

Again, the above parameters are only used for Etherboot, and it really
doesn't matter whether you are booting from an etherboot floppy or an
etherboot bootr! om.

For PCI network cards, we don't need to pass these parameters, because
the kernel+initrd can scan the PCI bus and discover the PCI card, and
then it does a lookup in a table, to see which module to load.

That's why I consider a minimum LTSP thin client to be anything with a
PCI bus. It's just so much easier than dealing with old ISA stuff.

Jim McQuillan
jam at Ltsp.org



On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote:

>
> What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their purpose is.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
>
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 10 16:12:52 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:12:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050210160821.3CC3D39FF@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050210160821.3CC3D39FF@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Rob, if you don't have any ISA network cards, then you don't need those options at all. If you do have option-129 specified for a machine that has a PCI network card, then you could be passing information to the kernel, and causing a problem. I can't say for sure, without seeing your dhcpd.conf file. and please turn off HTML formatting in your email client. It doesn't work well with mailing lists. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > So it sounds like if I'm using pci ethernet cards, then these 2 lines aren't needed. But is it possible that they would mess anything up if I leave them uncommented? > > -Rob > > > --- On Thu 02/10, Jim McQuillan < jam at McQuil.com > wrote: > From: Jim McQuillan [mailto: jam at McQuil.com] > To: robowens at myway.com, k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:02:26 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf > > Rob,

option-129 is used to pass command-line arguments to the kernel during
the boot process. This is ONLY when using Etherboot to load the kernel.

And, Etherboot will ignore option-129, unless option-128 contains the
special value of 'e4:45:74:68:00:00'.

Most of the time, you don't need to pass any special arguments to the
kernel. But, if you have an ISA network adapter, you'll need to tell
the kernel about it, so that the proper driver module can be loaded.
So, you'll see things like:

option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300";

That will inform the kernel that you want to load the ne2000 network
driver module, and the IO address is 0x300.

Some cards, like the 3com 3c509 don't require the IO parameter.

Again, the above parameters are only used for Etherboot, and it really
doesn't matter whether you are booting from an etherboot floppy or an
etherboot boo! tr! > om.

For PCI network cards, we don't need to pass these parameters, because
the kernel+initrd can scan the PCI bus and discover the PCI card, and
then it does a lookup in a table, to see which module to load.

That's why I consider a minimum LTSP thin client to be anything with a
PCI bus. It's just so much easier than dealing with old ISA stuff.

Jim McQuillan
jam at Ltsp.org



On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote:

>
> What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their purpose is.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
>
> _______________________________________________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> K12OSN mailing list
> K12OSN at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> For m! or! > e info see
>
> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 10 16:48:09 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:48:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum for using OpenOffice.org to teach basic computer skills Message-ID: <420B9049.2000804@maltzen.net> Short version: For those who are using OpenOffice.org to teach basic computer skills, word processing, etc., to high school students, what are you using for curriculum? Long version: The technical advisory committee for my kids' school, of which I am a member, recently passed a resolution that calls for ninth-grade students to take a mandatory basic computer skills class. The idea is to make sure that all students know how to use a word processor, spreadsheet, search the internet, etc. (Many of the kids think they know it all, but most don't know as much as they think they do--just like in most other areas, I guess. ;-) ) We have people from the local colleges on the committee and they all say the expectation is that students will already know these things by the time they enter college, and the colleges themselves do not provide any such instruction. In the original draft of the resolution, it called for teaching the kids Word, Excel, and Powerpoint, among other things. I succeeded in getting the wording changed to word processing, spreadsheets, and presentations, fortunately. The next point I want to push is to have the teacher(s) use OOo for the class. I have two reasons, that everyone on the list will be familiar with: free software, so it can be given out to the students, and freedom to do whatever you want with it. But I've learned that the key thing in getting the teacher to use a tool for a class is to have a curriculum available; they don't have the time or resources to write their own lesson plans from scratch. Plus, they already have some sort of materials for teaching MS's office, I'm sure, so to get them to use another tool, the transition must be as easy as possible. While free, no cost plans would be better, I'm not opposed to something that would have to be purchased; I'm sure the MS plans didn't come free. Petre From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 10 17:00:28 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:00:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum for using OpenOffice.org to teach basic computer skills In-Reply-To: <420B9049.2000804@maltzen.net> References: <420B9049.2000804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <420B932C.6020405@paasda.org> http://www.getopenoffice.org ... has textbooks... should take care of all the lesson plan stuff for you mostly.. --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > Short version: For those who are using OpenOffice.org to teach basic > computer skills, word processing, etc., to high school students, what > are you using for curriculum? > > Long version: The technical advisory committee for my kids' school, of > which I am a member, recently passed a resolution that calls for > ninth-grade students to take a mandatory basic computer skills class. > The idea is to make sure that all students know how to use a word > processor, spreadsheet, search the internet, etc. (Many of the kids > think they know it all, but most don't know as much as they think they > do--just like in most other areas, I guess. ;-) ) We have people from > the local colleges on the committee and they all say the expectation > is that students will already know these things by the time they enter > college, and the colleges themselves do not provide any such > instruction. In the original draft of the resolution, it called for > teaching the kids Word, Excel, and Powerpoint, among other things. I > succeeded in getting the wording changed to word processing, > spreadsheets, and presentations, fortunately. The next point I want > to push is to have the teacher(s) use OOo for the class. I have two > reasons, that everyone on the list will be familiar with: free > software, so it can be given out to the students, and freedom to do > whatever you want with it. But I've learned that the key thing in > getting the teacher to use a tool for a class is to have a curriculum > available; they don't have the time or resources to write their own > lesson plans from scratch. Plus, they already have some sort of > materials for teaching MS's office, I'm sure, so to get them to use > another tool, the transition must be as easy as possible. > > While free, no cost plans would be better, I'm not opposed to > something that would have to be purchased; I'm sure the MS plans > didn't come free. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 10 16:54:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:54:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac thins In-Reply-To: <420B5C51.306@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <003201c50f91$276656a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Not as a true thin client, but as a chubby client. > > -Shawn I remember that you had that working with the chubbies. I am just looking for the sound on the true thins. Could you quick send me the XF86Config from one of your working chubby clients? I am thinking that maybe I could include that into the ppc directory and point lts.conf to it. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 16:57:14 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> Message-ID: <420B926A.6020305@pcc.com> Tom Astle wrote: > Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > >> Tom Astle wrote: >> >>> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. >>> >>> I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or >>> /dev/null for their $SHELL >>> I am confused and don't know where to go from here. >> >> >> >> What packages were part of the yum update? Details can be found in >> /var/log/yum.log. >> Chris >> > yum.conf > > Feb 09 09:21:26 Updated: tzdata.noarch 2005c-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:21:28 Updated: rmt.i386 0.4b39-1.FC3 > Feb 09 09:23:35 Updated: glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:24:07 Updated: glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:24:15 Updated: bash.i386 3.0-18 > Feb 09 09:24:20 Updated: glib2.i386 2.4.8-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:24:50 Updated: python.i386 2.3.4-13.1 > Feb 09 09:24:59 Updated: libselinux.i386 1.19.1-8 > Feb 09 09:25:02 Updated: libxml2.i386 2.6.16-3 > Feb 09 09:25:05 Updated: grep.i386 2.5.1-31.4 > Feb 09 09:25:07 Updated: krb5-libs.i386 1.3.6-2 > Feb 09 09:25:14 Updated: pam.i386 0.77-66.2 > Feb 09 09:25:17 Updated: shadow-utils.i386 2:4.0.3-56 > Feb 09 09:25:20 Updated: dbus.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 > Feb 09 09:25:21 Updated: libpng.i386 2:1.2.8-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:25:24 Updated: rhpl.i386 0.148.1-2 > Feb 09 09:25:26 Updated: dbus-glib.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 > Feb 09 09:25:27 Updated: hotplug.i386 3:2004_04_01-8.1 > Feb 09 09:25:30 Updated: libtiff.i386 3.6.1-9.fc3 > Feb 09 09:25:31 Updated: cups-libs.i386 1:1.1.22-0.rc1.8.5 > Feb 09 09:25:34 Updated: udev.i386 039-10.FC3.6 > Feb 09 09:25:36 Updated: procps.i386 3.2.3-5.1 > Feb 09 09:25:37 Updated: slang.i386 1.4.9-13 > Feb 09 09:25:52 Updated: gstreamer.i386 0.8.7-4.FC3.0 > Feb 09 09:25:57 Updated: alsa-lib.i386 1.0.6-7.FC3 > Feb 09 09:26:00 Updated: wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.3 > Feb 09 09:26:02 Updated: bind-libs.i386 20:9.2.4-8_FC3 > Feb 09 09:26:05 Updated: file.i386 4.12-1.FC3.1 > Feb 09 09:26:12 Updated: samba-common.i386 3.0.10-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:26:13 Updated: curl.i386 7.12.3-2 > Feb 09 09:26:16 Updated: libxml2-python.i386 2.6.16-3 > Feb 09 09:26:23 Updated: glibc-headers.i386 2.3.4-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:26:25 Updated: sysklogd.i386 1.4.1-26_FC3 > Feb 09 09:26:29 Updated: net-tools.i386 1.60-37.FC3.1 > Feb 09 09:26:34 Updated: redhat-menus.noarch 3.7.1-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:26:36 Updated: apr.i386 0.9.4-24.2 > Feb 09 09:26:42 Updated: gphoto2.i386 2.1.5-1.1 > Feb 09 09:26:44 Updated: policycoreutils.i386 1.18.1-2.6 > Feb 09 09:26:52 Updated: ethereal.i386 0.10.9-1.FC3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:02 Updated: Omni.i386 0.9.2-1.1 > Feb 09 09:28:05 Updated: Omni-foomatic.i386 0.9.2-1.1 > Feb 09 09:28:19 Updated: vim-common.i386 1:6.3.054-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:20 Updated: vim-enhanced.i386 1:6.3.054-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:27 Updated: glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:28:30 Updated: curl-devel.i386 7.12.3-2 > Feb 09 09:28:34 Updated: samba-client.i386 3.0.10-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:28:35 Updated: bind-utils.i386 20:9.2.4-8_FC3 > Feb 09 09:28:38 Updated: slang-devel.i386 1.4.9-13 > Feb 09 09:28:43 Updated: system-config-users.noarch 1.2.28-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:45 Updated: system-config-printer-gui.i386 0.6.116.1.1-1 > Feb 09 09:28:47 Updated: dbus-python.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 > Feb 09 09:28:50 Updated: system-config-date.noarch 1.7.13-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:53 Updated: system-config-services.noarch 0.8.18-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:28:55 Updated: dbus-devel.i386 0.22-10.FC3.2 > Feb 09 09:28:56 Updated: nscd.i386 2.3.4-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:28:57 Updated: pam-devel.i386 0.77-66.2 > Feb 09 09:28:59 Updated: rsh-server.i386 0.17-24.1 > Feb 09 09:29:02 Updated: krb5-devel.i386 1.3.6-2 > Feb 09 09:29:06 Updated: krb5-workstation.i386 1.3.6-2 > Feb 09 09:29:16 Updated: libxml2-devel.i386 2.6.16-3 > Feb 09 09:29:17 Updated: vim-minimal.i386 1:6.3.054-0.fc3.1 > Feb 09 09:29:19 Updated: libselinux-devel.i386 1.19.1-8 > Feb 09 09:29:26 Updated: python-devel.i386 2.3.4-13.1 > Feb 09 09:29:47 Updated: gamin.i386 0.0.17-1.FC3 > Feb 09 09:29:51 Updated: boost.i386 1.32.0-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:29:53 Updated: jwhois.i386 3.2.2-6.FC3.1 > Feb 09 09:29:55 Updated: hwbrowser.noarch 0.19-0.fc3.2 > Feb 09 09:29:58 Updated: words.noarch 3.0-2 > Feb 09 09:30:02 Updated: man.i386 1.5o1-7 > Feb 09 09:30:08 Updated: enscript.i386 1.6.1-28.0.4 > Feb 09 09:30:11 Updated: gdb.i386 6.1post-1.20040607.43 > Feb 09 09:30:12 Updated: httpd-suexec.i386 2.0.52-3.1 > Feb 09 09:30:13 Updated: rsh.i386 0.17-24.1 > Feb 09 09:30:15 Updated: mikmod.i386 3.1.6-30.2 > Feb 09 09:30:16 Updated: zip.i386 2.3-26.3 > Feb 09 09:30:18 Updated: dump.i386 0.4b39-1.FC3 > Feb 09 09:30:25 Updated: xorg-x11-libs.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 > Feb 09 09:30:32 Updated: initscripts.i386 7.93.5-1 > Feb 09 09:30:44 Updated: gtk2.i386 2.4.14-2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:35:01 Installed: kernel.i686 2.6.10-1.760_FC3 > Feb 09 09:35:15 Updated: xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 > Feb 09 09:35:19 Updated: hal.i386 0.4.7-1.FC3 > Feb 09 09:35:22 Updated: xorg-x11-font-utils.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 > Feb 09 09:35:46 Updated: samba.i386 3.0.10-1.fc3 > Feb 09 09:36:40 Updated: openoffice.org-libs.i386 1.1.3-2.5.fc3 > Feb 09 09:36:43 Updated: NetworkManager.i386 0.3.3-1.cvs20050119.2.fc3 > Feb 09 09:36:57 Updated: xorg-x11-Mesa-libGLU.i386 6.8.1-12.FC3.21 > Feb 09 09:37:01 Updated: iptables.i386 1.2.11-3.1.FC3 > Feb 09 09:37:04 Updated: system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 1.4.18-2 > 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info see sorry for the alarm, it was ownership problems on the test user's profile directory From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 10 17:06:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:06:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Move users and home from existing server to new LDAPserver (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050210152332.GC17414@socrates.mojo.home> Message-ID: <003d01c50f92$d0a91170$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I think Dave might be referring here to his own users script; > smbldap-useradd-bulk doesn't fix permissions or ownership; it > will print any errors it finds in ownership of the top-level > /home/ directories. I'll have to ask Dave for his script then...Dave? > Wouldn't you really want to simply export your current > database and import the data into your new db? > > $ slapcat -l out > $ slapadd -l out > > Thought judging by the slapcat man-page, you're supposed to > somehow re-order the slapcat output before importing it. Too > bad the man-page doesn't explain anything more about that... My current server is WBEL running smb, netatalk, postfix, mailman, ftp, etc. There is currently no LDAP database on it. I connect to it and try slapcat and get "-bash: slapcat: command not found". I am guessing this is because the user are stored in the local unix stuff and not LDAP. > I recommend either tar or rsync. > > On a single machine (possibly with an NFS mount one place or the > other): > > $ cd /mnt/oldhome/ > $ tar czvf /root/home.tgz ./ > $ cd /newhome/ > $ tar xzvf /root/home.tgz Thanks for all of the options! > I wouldn't touch system users. Let the new server create > them itself. Nope, the smbldap-installer won't touch these users. Problem is with the system users is the new server won't have all of the services the old system does. So it won't create mailman, postfix, etc users. I know the default system users will be created but not the service specific users. And my database only has Staff and Students in it not the system or service specific users. ----------------------------------------- Thanks for your suggestions Matt. Hopefully I can piece all of this together and get something to work. I'll definitely wait until spring break or summer vacation to make the changes. Probably should build to sandboxes first and simulate the changeover to be safe. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 10 17:06:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:06:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <1108055168.31890.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 09:03, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > If the contents mattered, you could easily have copied them every 10 > > years onto media that cost 10% of the previous iteration and takes > > 10% of the space. > Well, Les, obviously I had other things to do that just came up at the > time I was about to do a 10 year content move to new media and format. It's really worse than that and there is something to learn from the experience: the vendor of that old system had reasons to make it difficult for you to move your data to anyone else's system. You probably didn't avoid the copy/maintenance step just for lack of time - it also wasn't as easy as it could have been. Today's technology supplies standards-compliant ethernet for the physical layer and internet protocols for cross platform connections because consumers demanded it. Every major vendor has tried to ship proprietary networking protocols to keep you from easily switching to something else for as long as they could get away with it. > Les, if you find an ipod 5000 years from now, you probably won't remember > what the heck it was, it will be somewhat fossilized and the base will be > nowhere handy and there might be some changes in the delivery of > electrical power. Of course, you would have by then diligently moved the > contents to new media 500 times. Exactly: a design goal anytime you store data with any long-term value should be ease of moving it to the next platform. Realistically, technology is going to change. Change is only difficult if you let some vendor lock you into their formats to keep your business. I used the ipod example because it is the extreme design case: it takes *no* user intervention to copy data or even extra time compared to just recharging the device. USB disk keys are another example whose time has come. > Btw, your assumptions on time it takes to > move data are widely optimistic - the set up alone can take a while if the > memory of the process is somewhat foggy after 10 years (of course we could > consult the manual and as we know, that takes no time at all). Agreed, but it is a predictable requirement and no more valid to complain about than not being able to find your records when you have to file your taxes. > > If people don't bother with the (now) easy process of copying data > > from technology on its way out to the currently cheaper replacement, > > it is probably because no one wanted the content. > > That is just pantently not true - we don't have time to mess with copying > data and we tend to wrongly assume that it will be readable "later". Maybe the education process is missing something then. Some people have to learn from experience, but there are better ways. > You > find out that you need stuff, when you need it and the level on concern > about stuff we might need is much lower that on the stuff we -will- need. > With older tapes 10 year interval was not sufficient and often the copying > process was destructive. I *have* witnessed a self destruction of a DVD > during copy - mechanical failures still happen. Yes, you appear to understand the issues, but you have to deal with the fact that they aren't going to go away and are going to increase in scale. I'm more paranoid than most because when I started using computers they were much less reliable. I've always liked to have 3 backup copies of anything important, and would never let the person that destroyed the first 2 touch the last one. And, I like backup mechanisms that are capable of restoring cross-platform because sometimes the move to the next one happens as a result of the old equipment breaking. > All I was trying to say is that you disdain old, quaint, slow, but well > known, well working and very robust technology and want it immediately > replaced with the new technology that is in its infancy. I think you are missing the point: the change is happening and is going to speed up, like it or not. There are things to like about it and it is fun to take advantage of the best parts as soon as you can. > Don't get me > wrong, I'm just as geeky as the next guy on the list, but I am old enough > and lazy enough to know that the technology is supposed to work for me, > not the other way round. How well something works usually depends on how well you plan for it to work and how much you protect yourself from vendors promoting technology that you know isn't going to last (all of it...). The current battle should be in data formats for documents, spreadsheets and database contents. It is no longer a problem to move things around physically, but the vendor lock-in is still a big issue with the content. > What we have now does *not* warrant the wholesale > abandonment of books, on the contrary - the book learning is now > desperately needed to get kids to actually think and write. Well, that's a different argument, and one I'll defer to experts. I can take a pile of books and a quiet space and learn something from them. There are people who can't, but can learn in other ways that technology is just starting to deliver. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dean at mumby.co.za Thu Feb 10 17:25:09 2005 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:25:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: References: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <420B98F5.9010705@mumby.co.za> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Rob, > >option-129 is used to pass command-line arguments to the kernel during >the boot process. This is ONLY when using Etherboot to load the kernel. > >And, Etherboot will ignore option-129, unless option-128 contains the >special value of 'e4:45:74:68:00:00'. > >Most of the time, you don't need to pass any special arguments to the >kernel. But, if you have an ISA network adapter, you'll need to tell >the kernel about it, so that the proper driver module can be loaded. >So, you'll see things like: > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; > >That will inform the kernel that you want to load the ne2000 network >driver module, and the IO address is 0x300. > >Some cards, like the 3com 3c509 don't require the IO parameter. > >Again, the above parameters are only used for Etherboot, and it really >doesn't matter whether you are booting from an etherboot floppy or an >etherboot bootrom. > >For PCI network cards, we don't need to pass these parameters, because >the kernel+initrd can scan the PCI bus and discover the PCI card, and >then it does a lookup in a table, to see which module to load. > >That's why I consider a minimum LTSP thin client to be anything with a >PCI bus. It's just so much easier than dealing with old ISA stuff. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > >>What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their purpose is. >> >>Thanks >> >>-Rob >> >>_______________________________________________ >>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Jim do you by any chance know anything about he other option available specifically the ones to create a boot menu from dhcp I have followed the mandrake-dos-ltsp howto and even though very little of it worked I am now able to boot a thin client into ltsp or dos. but i have to set it up for each client. I am using pxe booting and then bootstrapping etherboot after it . None of the instructions have worked I never see a menu . I did find that i have to use option.pxemagic but that has not worked either. Does anyone have a working config for a boot menu ? Regards Dean -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 2005/01/28 From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Feb 10 17:33:53 2005 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:33:53 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <420B98F5.9010705@mumby.co.za> References: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <420B98F5.9010705@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <35024.193.195.148.66.1108056833.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > Jim do you by any chance know anything about he other option available > specifically the ones to create a boot menu from dhcp I have followed > the mandrake-dos-ltsp howto and even though very little of it worked I > am now able to boot a thin client into ltsp or dos. but i have to set it > up for each client. I am using pxe booting and then bootstrapping > etherboot after it . None of the instructions have worked I never see a > menu . I did find that i have to use option.pxemagic but that has not > worked either. Does anyone have a working config for a boot menu ? > Does this guide help: http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/network-booting-pxe.html -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Feb 10 17:41:00 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:41:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Boot Disks for Legacy PCs In-Reply-To: <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <420B9CAC.5020500@jsoft.com> WOW I tested and it worked for the card I finally got right and another!!! Thanks. Gary Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 13:20, Gary Frederick wrote: > > >>I have several other computers with who knows what cards. >> >>What boot image should I get for the two cards listed above? >> >>Is there a magic decoder for the output of the lspci command to what is >>on the Rom-O-matic site? > > > Did you find the 'universal' boot floppy images? I've had good luck > with the one from the thinstation project: > http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThDownload?PHPSESSID=19f927781effaed087099784484f7ee8 > (follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link near the bottom of the > page. > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 10 17:49:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:49:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <420B98F5.9010705@mumby.co.za> References: <20050210155336.4D19F39CA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <420B98F5.9010705@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: Dean, Sorry, i've never tried the menu capability of Etherboot. Jim. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dean Mumby wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > option-129 is used to pass command-line arguments to the kernel during > > the boot process. This is ONLY when using Etherboot to load the kernel. > > > > And, Etherboot will ignore option-129, unless option-128 contains the > > special value of 'e4:45:74:68:00:00'. > > > > Most of the time, you don't need to pass any special arguments to the > > kernel. But, if you have an ISA network adapter, you'll need to tell > > the kernel about it, so that the proper driver module can be loaded. > > So, you'll see things like: > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; > > > > That will inform the kernel that you want to load the ne2000 network > > driver module, and the IO address is 0x300. > > > > Some cards, like the 3com 3c509 don't require the IO parameter. > > > > Again, the above parameters are only used for Etherboot, and it really > > doesn't matter whether you are booting from an etherboot floppy or an > > etherboot bootrom. > > > > For PCI network cards, we don't need to pass these parameters, because > > the kernel+initrd can scan the PCI bus and discover the PCI card, and > > then it does a lookup in a table, to see which module to load. > > > > That's why I consider a minimum LTSP thin client to be anything with a > > PCI bus. It's just so much easier than dealing with old ISA stuff. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > > > What do these 2 lines do? I've seen write-ups that say to comment them > > > out if you're booting from a floppy, but I'd like to know what their > > > purpose is. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > > > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Jim do you by any chance know anything about he other option available > specifically the ones to create a boot menu from dhcp I have followed the > mandrake-dos-ltsp howto and even though very little of it worked I am now able > to boot a thin client into ltsp or dos. but i have to set it up for each > client. I am using pxe booting and then bootstrapping etherboot after it . > None of the instructions have worked I never see a menu . I did find that i > have to use option.pxemagic but that has not worked either. Does anyone have > a working config for a boot menu ? > > Regards > Dean > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 2005/01/28 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Feb 10 17:44:23 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help In-Reply-To: <420B9CAC.5020500@jsoft.com> References: <4209111A.8010506@jsoft.com> < > <1107957006.5975.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <420B9CAC.5020500@jsoft.com> Message-ID: I need to put a Linux Terminal Server onto a Windows network. What should I do? I have thick clients (they all boot locally from Flash). I have a WIndows 2003 Terminal Server working very well. I want to add a linux terminal server to serve GIMP, StarOffice, Scribus, Freemind, cMap, etc. It doesn not need to do DHCP or anything else except serve apps. What is the easiest way to do this? Don't tell me at this point to go LDAP etc. I understand all that, but at this time, simply want to add Linux TS -- help? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 17:58:18 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:58:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <20050210175818.65270.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> --- Julius SzSzelagiewiczjujuliusurtle.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGPGPIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHSHA > > > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:28, Julius SzSzelagiewicz> wrote: > >> Les, > >> you are so optimistic, so into the bright future > What we have now does *not* > warrant the wholesale > abandonment of books, on the contrary - the book > learning is now > desperately needed to get kids to actually think and > write. Those that I > see on job interviews are most certainly incapable > of either. The one > obvious omommissionn our discussion is that to use > any tool, you need to > know the job you are trying to do. Computers can > help in solving problems, > but you better know how to think before you use > them, otherwise you end up > with ... well, you end up with high school > graduates that I get to see. agreed. thinking skills are what is important here. in fact (and in theory), isn't that what ALL teaching/learning is geared towards? - the teaching of thinking skills? in algebra, we are learning thinking skills (problem solving skills and tools) that are geared toward algebra. in language, we are learning how to think, both logically and creatively, as it pertains to language. etc... BUT, to often in industrialized nations, our approach towards education is "for the masses". think Pink Floyd's "the Wall" - plugging students into the meat grinder and "hamburger meat" comes out. everyone and everything is uniform now. so nice and easy to deal with in a classroom.... now i'i'mhowing my educational roots. this is all stuff covered in a basic history of education or educational philosophy class. but basically education serves two functions, one is geared toward bourgeois and working class people (plplebians and the other is geared toward the aristocrats (patricians). hence, we have trade schools and shop classes and we have AP Calculus... all for the working class. then we have private schools, boarding schools and ivy league for the aristocrats. what i love about my K12LTLTSPabs is that is gives a chance for the "working class" to use some very cool, very sophisticated software and do some of the same things that students in more wealthy schools get to do. now, the only concern is how to get the teachers to learn to use the stuff and how to get them to teach our kids to THINK CRITICALLY. Oh, that's not the only concern. I really need to get sound working in my labs... that'll be posted seseparatelyhough. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 10 17:59:05 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68 Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D2A@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: OSX application server >> Only one showstopper I can see. The applications that you export to >> the thin clients have to be native X windows apps. The OSX native >> Aqua applications can't be exported to a thin client except via VNC >> or some other remote viewing protocol. That might work, but I don't >> know how you would run multiple Aqua desktops on a single OSX server. >That is why I was thinking MacOnLinux. If MOL runs the applications it must >do some conversion so that X can view the apps. So if MOL ran the app, >displayed it on X, and then the X session is mirrored to the clients, wouldn't >that work? >I have no idea. Just a thought. Jim M already pointed out that native OSX >apps wouldn't be ported to work with X so I saw this as a workaround. Should work, you would be building an OSX terminal server. As long as you mount the student drives from the same NFS or local source as K12LTSP it should work fairly well. You would need to script something on the K12LTSP desktop to initiate a new MOL session. Interesting idea. How much in the way of RAM and CPU does a single MOL session use? Anybody try MOL lately and care to comment? Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PLUS, i have three more linux boxes serving webpages, email and scanning the network... ok, now i NEED to get sound working on all these thin-clients so teachers can use starfall.com and brainpop.com. i have dl'ed the ltsp_esound-0.4.x.rpm from the k12ltsp ftp server and installed it. i have edited the lts.conf file to add the nasd OR esd sound daemon (tried both), but didn't have sound on the clients. i followed the advice on the wiki and edited the IceWM Sessions file. still no sound. What do I need to do to enable sound on my clients using k12ltsp version 3.0.0 (redhat 8.0) and IceWM? Can anyone point out the steps to make this happen? Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Feb 10 18:13:55 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:13:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum for using OpenOffice.org to teach=?ISO-8859-1?Q? basic ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? computer_?= skill In-Reply-To: <420B932C.6020405@paasda.org> References: <420B9049.2000804@maltzen.net> <420B932C.6020405@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 12:00 PM +0000 wrote: >http://www.getopenoffice.org ... has textbooks... Thank you, thank you!! I am going to order these and setup online courses for my transitioning staff. PS -- for students, we also use the Sun tutorials http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/edu/commofinterest/staroffice/star_tutorial/index.htm Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 16:31:02 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:31:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Jamie McParland wrote: > Did you have to create an account for each staff member or do you have some > sort of ldap solution working on the back end (please say ldap I got 500 > staff members *grin*) Moodle is the most flexible piece of software I've seen when it comes to authentication. It can authenticate against just about anything, including POP3, so you shouldn't have to worry about creating accounts. An administrator does have to create the classes though. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Wed Feb 9 16:03:57 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:03:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 9:49 PM +0000 wrote: > >I don't have an answer but understand your dilemma here. In my schools > >with younger kids they cannot remember individual passwords either. > >So we have given them a "class" username and folder to log into. I > >would also be interested in any suggestions to solving this problem. > > I actually begin having kids log on in first grade. We use a first > initial, last name scheme (jsmith).....with the kids phone number as > their password. This is a great thing...two-fold.....it helps the kids > login as well as learn their phone number (which is important). Everyone from 1st grade on up have the following usernames: last two digits of the year they graduate, first four letters of their last name, then their entire for name. For example: 13smitjohn - 4th grader named John Smith. Passwords for grades 1-5 are their user id's. Teachers have easy access to this number and it stays the same. All the computers in grades 1-5 show a list of users, so they can just pick their name and enter their password and go. We've had this in place for 4 years now, and the only complaints I get are from 1st grade teachers (and one 2nd grade teacher :-). Grades 6-12 get a randomly generated password at the beginning of the year when they hand in their signed AUP. I use quotas and do not erase files after each year. Students like it because they can go back and look at stuff they did a few years ago, and they like that their settings follow them. I know in this situation you can't change the login aspect, but using individual logins would help all sorts of problems! -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Feb 10 19:37:16 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:37:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> Message-ID: <420BB7EC.8030403@gwi.net> Tom Astle wrote: > Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > >> Tom Astle wrote: >> >>> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. >>> >>> I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false or >>> /dev/null for their $SHELL >>> I am confused and don't know where to go from here. >> So samba was updated. Matt - have you tested against samba 3.0.10-1.fc3? Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu Feb 10 19:49:59 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Sierra Computer Services) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:49:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Alternative to Publisher? In-Reply-To: References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <420BBAE7.4060005@sierra-computer.com> Kevin Openoffice Writer has all or most of the functionality of MS Publisher. The only the that I couldn't do is open Publisher files in Openoffice. Steve Sierra Computer Services Sharon Betts wrote: > Try Scribus -- nice app. > Sharon > > kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 11:38 AM > +0000 wrote: > >>I've watched this list for some time now, but don't recall this question >>ever coming up. (Maybe it did, and those brain cells have been nuked. >>I blame it on the rotgut beverages I'm forced to drink because of my low >>salary.) >> >>I'm successfully weaning teachers and students from M$ Office. But >>OpenOffice doesn't have a Publisher equivalent, and that's a big problem >>with many teachers. They frequently use Publisher for flyers, posters, >>and the like, and they say they'll give it up only when I "pry it from >>their cold, dead fingers." >> >>Is there anything you've used that can approximate Publisher? It >>doesn't have to be as powerful, but the ability to insert cute bunny >>clip art and use stylish yet illegible fonts is a must. Plus (here's >>the bone cruncher), working under Linux AND Windows platforms would help. >> >>-- >>Kevin Shira >>Computer Technician >>Center Unified School District >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 20:00:12 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:00:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: <420BB7EC.8030403@gwi.net> References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> <420BB7EC.8030403@gwi.net> Message-ID: <420BBD4C.2070907@pcc.com> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Tom Astle wrote: > >> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: >> >>> Tom Astle wrote: >>> >>>> After running "yum upgrade" now my profile creation is broken. >>>> >>>> I used the latest smbldap-installer script, nobody had /bin/false >>>> or /dev/null for their $SHELL >>>> I am confused and don't know where to go from here. >>> >>> > So samba was updated. > Matt - have you tested against samba 3.0.10-1.fc3? > > Chris > I actually upgraded the samba package and it worked. After I had gotten file ownership correct. From Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Thu Feb 10 20:34:22 2005 From: Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Eric Neiwert) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:34:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question In-Reply-To: <1100755395.5893.52.camel@zebra> References: <1100755395.5893.52.camel@zebra> Message-ID: Diego Thank you for your response here to my previous inquiry. Your software has helped me set up a lab of thin client computers to do their testing at low cost allowing me to bring technology integration in the classroom to more students. I have an additional question. When I use PXES to boot to the K12ltsp server using XDM it boots with a small screen resolution for the monitors. (in the 800X600 range). This is creating some problems for students reading the text and also some technical problems with a kiosk browser I am using. How can I configure PXES to set the monitor resolution higher? Eric Neiwert 7th grade humanities Technology Coordinator Gordon Russell Middle School http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us Gresham-Barlow School District Gresham, OR diego at in3.com.ar on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 9:23 PM -0800 wrote: >PXES is a very flexible solution, as you may have discover. >Even, using the PREBUILT images, it is fully configurable (well, almost >:-) > >Short answer: >1) Be sure that the PREBUILT image is finding your Remote Configuration >server (TFTP). PREBUILT images are reading the remote configuration from >the TFTP server specified as tftp-server-name DHCP option. In >dhcpd.conf: >option tftp-server-name "your.tftp.server"; > >2) In this TFTP server add a configuration file (i.e: >/tftpboot/pxes/config/default.conf): > >message -e '\ndefault.conf' >SESSION_DEFAULT=xdm >XDM_METHOD=query >XDM_SERVER_NAME=your.server.ip > >3) boot your thin clients with the PREBUILT image and XDM login will >appear. > > >I've found this message, just as a coincidence, following a referrer >URL. >The best place to post PXES questions is SF's mailing list: >pxes-devel at lists.sf.net > >There'are some nice PXES movies (live thin clients) at: >http://pxes.sf.net/movie-trailers.html > >Regards. > >> Greetings >> Having been a Macintosh administrator for the last 9 years of my professional career I am taking the plunge into using Linux lab to solve some problems I have faced with our statewide testing we have here in Oregon. >> This year every students will test at least twice in front of a computer as all statewide testing is done using a computer and a network connection. Over the past two years this has taken the lab away from classroom integration and turned it over >to >> testing. >> I needed a network solution that was inexpensive and flexible so that I can continue to teach language arts, science, math, and social studies using our computers. So I am piloting a lab for the district using the k12ltsp server. >> I have been working on establishing a lab of thin client machines using a mish mash of older computers that were being surplused out by our high school. They have a variety of network cards and monitors so making a boot floppy for each one was >going >> to be problematic. >> I have the server set up and it is working well. >> >> I also have been able to use the PXES boot CD for the client machines (a simple solution in that the CD image has most ethernet cards defined already) >> The only problem is that the default boot method on the PXES image doesn't find the server and I have to choose XDM to get it to find and boot from the server. (I can't just boot it up and let it run but have to intervene in the boot up of each >> machine) >> Has anyone used the PXES image to boot from a CD for clients of the k12ltsp server? Has anyone been successful in getting either the default method of logging in with the pxes image to work with the server or customized the image to only boot >using >> XDM or some other successful boot method? I have been struggling to figure out how to customize the image even though the author has provided documentation, a configuration folder, and the iso boot image on his web site. >> I may just revert to putting a boot partition on the hard drive of red hat and have it log in but would like to get this option to work for me. >> >> Here is the web site where I got PXES from... >> http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ >> A "how to" to configure the iso boot image... >> http://pxes.sourceforge.net/howtos/Creating_a_Custom_RDP_ISO_Image.pdf >> The downloads for the iso image and the config files. >> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45684&package_id=38453&release_id=258546 >> >> Eric Neiwert >> 7th grade humanities >> Technology Coordinator >> Gordon Russell Middle School >> http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us >> Gresham-Barlow School District >> Gresham, OR >-- >Diego Torres Milano >IN3 > From Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Thu Feb 10 20:37:58 2005 From: Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Eric Neiwert) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:37:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question In-Reply-To: References: <1100755395.5893.52.camel@zebra> <,> Message-ID: I apologize for posting off list discussions to the list! Eric Neiwert 7th grade humanities Technology Coordinator Gordon Russell Middle School http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us Gresham-Barlow School District Gresham, OR From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 10 20:38:43 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:38:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Display Name: Message-ID: <200502102038.j1AKcXQm000891@mx1.redhat.com> I preformed a slapcat command to view the newly added user, and I noticed that in the display name: section says System User. When I login to an Xp box the name displayed in the start menu is also System User. Is there a way to change that to display name to the user's real Name or user id? -mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tom at pcc.com Thu Feb 10 21:46:45 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:46:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles (again) In-Reply-To: References: <420B6C70.30804@pcc.com> < > <420B72A8.6000603@gwi.net> < > <420B8674.3070600@pcc.com> < > <420BB7EC.8030403@gwi.net> <420BBD4C.2070907@pcc.com> Message-ID: <420BD645.80103@pcc.com> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 3:00 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I actually upgraded the samba package and it worked. After I had gotten >>file ownership >>correct. >> >> Tom....what file ownership? Just so we all know what to look for. So >you're saying profiles are now working again? I'm curious as to why the >file perms would even get changed. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > I messed up adding the user in the beginning, I added a POSIX acct as a guess. I took a guess and blew away the //pdc/profiles/tom directory after looking in the log.smbd (at loglevel 3) and seeing that linux was giving permission denied, not windows. >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 10 22:18:44 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:18:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Other OpenOffice issues.. Message-ID: <420BDDC4.7020502@paasda.org> In an attempt to locate the drudge-causing dictionaries to try and disable or pre-load them... I found an option called 'data sources' =) when I clicked on this menu option, under tools I believe, OO came to a screeching halt...=( not sure what it did to other clients...as I did this on the server...but it locked up OO completely... no new calc pages...presenter pages...writer pages....nothing... Off to kill -9 the process and begin hunting for more! --Huck From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 10 23:33:11 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:33:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Admin In-Reply-To: <200502101601.j1AG1liS020694@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200502102333.j1ANWxIU013657@mx1.redhat.com> I installed LAM, and was able to successfully add a group, but still having trouble adding users, Brian, are you able to add users? Can you post your lam.conf file Thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:02 AM To: 'Brian Chivers'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Yea, sure, What's the degree of difficulty for installing and configuring? --mark -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:07 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin Mark Sarria wrote: > Has anyone or is anyone using LAM (LDAP ACCOUNT MANAGER)- > > http://lam.sourceforge.net/ > > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Sean Harbour > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin > >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:21:09 -0500 (EST) >> From: "Rob Owens" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directory Admin >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Message-ID: <20050209112109.2CB5339CF at mprdmxin.myway.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Sean, >> >> I see you're using Mandrake 10.1 -- have you gotten ltsp installed >> on that system successfully? >> >> -Rob > > No, haven't tried as a matter of fact. I'm using a standard Fedora > Core 3 K12LTSP 4.2 install. However, my workstation is Mandrake 10.1 > Final, along with a fair amount of our servers, so I run some of my > management tools directly from my workstation. > > Sean Harbour > Network Engineer > Northwest Regional Education Service District > 5825 NE Ray Circle > Hilsboro, Oregon > 503-614-1448 > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I do on my sandbox system. Once I figured out the correct setting's it seems to work really well. I can let you have a copy of the config files if you like Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 10 23:51:50 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:51:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1108055168.31890.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1108055168.31890.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <420BF396.5010003@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >>What we have now does *not* warrant the wholesale >>abandonment of books, on the contrary - the book learning is now >>desperately needed to get kids to actually think and write. >> >> > >Well, that's a different argument, and one I'll defer to experts. >I can take a pile of books and a quiet space and learn something >from them. There are people who can't, but can learn in other >ways that technology is just starting to deliver. > > Actually, that was my original argument. What's wrong with books, pencil, and paper, and why is there such stiff opposition to their use when they work so well? I just don't see the justification for blowing all that dough on Reader Rabbit, the Windows license required to run it, the technician's time to constantly clean/disinfect/repair/reimage the thing (times how many boxes in your school), and the constant threat of a BSA audit, requiring staff to spend time maintaining all those licenses. I simply don't see the cost/benefit argument for that when the combination of K12LTSP and actual books/pencils/paper works so well for actually educating children. Given my above argument, can you enlighten me as to why Windows-only programs like Reader Rabbit make sense in a school? If you can refute what I've presented, I will, going forward, actively support Reader Rabbit, etc. In any case, I'm quite willing to listen. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From diego at pxes.org Thu Feb 10 22:07:07 2005 From: diego at pxes.org (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:07:07 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question Message-ID: <1108073226.5835.82.camel@zebra> > I apologize for posting off list discussions to the list! Is PXES off topic in "Support list for opensource software in schools." ? -- Diego Torres Milano PXES Universal Linux Thin Client From diego at in3.com.ar Thu Feb 10 22:24:27 2005 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:24:27 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question Message-ID: <1108074267.5835.85.camel@zebra> > I apologize for posting off list discussions to the list! Is PXES off topic in "Support list for opensource software in schools." ? -- Diego Torres Milano PXES Universal Linux Thin Client -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From diego at in3.com.ar Thu Feb 10 20:54:50 2005 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:54:50 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question In-Reply-To: References: <1100755395.5893.52.camel@zebra> Message-ID: <1108068890.5835.76.camel@zebra> Eric, I'm glad to hear that PXES is helping you. Have you built your own PXES images ? If so, video modes and monitor definitions are in the corresponding page in pxesconfig druid. Anyway, you can add command line parameters at the boot prompt or kernel command line. Like this: boot: pxes xvm="1024x768" xh=31.5-58 xv=50-100 guessing that you are booting with pxelinux, your entry is named pxes, you want 1024x768 and your monitor support those ranges. You can also use Remote Configuration to set those parameters. Just ask me if this doesn't help you. On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 17:34, Eric Neiwert wrote: > Diego > Thank you for your response here to my previous inquiry. Your software has helped me set up a lab of thin client computers to do their testing at low cost allowing me to bring technology integration in the classroom to more students. > I have an additional question. > When I use PXES to boot to the K12ltsp server using XDM it boots with a small screen resolution for the monitors. (in the 800X600 range). > This is creating some problems for students reading the text and also some technical problems with a kiosk browser I am using. > How can I configure PXES to set the monitor resolution higher? > > Eric Neiwert > 7th grade humanities > Technology Coordinator > Gordon Russell Middle School > http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us > Gresham-Barlow School District > Gresham, OR > > diego at in3.com.ar on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 9:23 PM -0800 wrote: > >PXES is a very flexible solution, as you may have discover. > >Even, using the PREBUILT images, it is fully configurable (well, almost > >:-) > > > >Short answer: > >1) Be sure that the PREBUILT image is finding your Remote Configuration > >server (TFTP). PREBUILT images are reading the remote configuration from > >the TFTP server specified as tftp-server-name DHCP option. In > >dhcpd.conf: > >option tftp-server-name "your.tftp.server"; > > > >2) In this TFTP server add a configuration file (i.e: > >/tftpboot/pxes/config/default.conf): > > > >message -e '\ndefault.conf' > >SESSION_DEFAULT=xdm > >XDM_METHOD=query > >XDM_SERVER_NAME=your.server.ip > > > >3) boot your thin clients with the PREBUILT image and XDM login will > >appear. > > > > > >I've found this message, just as a coincidence, following a referrer > >URL. > >The best place to post PXES questions is SF's mailing list: > >pxes-devel at lists.sf.net > > > >There'are some nice PXES movies (live thin clients) at: > >http://pxes.sf.net/movie-trailers.html > > > >Regards. > > > >> Greetings > >> Having been a Macintosh administrator for the last 9 years of my professional career I am taking the plunge into using Linux lab to solve some problems I have faced with our statewide testing we have here in Oregon. > >> This year every students will test at least twice in front of a computer as all statewide testing is done using a computer and a network connection. Over the past two years this has taken the lab away from classroom integration and turned it over > >to > >> testing. > >> I needed a network solution that was inexpensive and flexible so that I can continue to teach language arts, science, math, and social studies using our computers. So I am piloting a lab for the district using the k12ltsp server. > >> I have been working on establishing a lab of thin client machines using a mish mash of older computers that were being surplused out by our high school. They have a variety of network cards and monitors so making a boot floppy for each one was > >going > >> to be problematic. > >> I have the server set up and it is working well. > >> > >> I also have been able to use the PXES boot CD for the client machines (a simple solution in that the CD image has most ethernet cards defined already) > >> The only problem is that the default boot method on the PXES image doesn't find the server and I have to choose XDM to get it to find and boot from the server. (I can't just boot it up and let it run but have to intervene in the boot up of each > >> machine) > >> Has anyone used the PXES image to boot from a CD for clients of the k12ltsp server? Has anyone been successful in getting either the default method of logging in with the pxes image to work with the server or customized the image to only boot > >using > >> XDM or some other successful boot method? I have been struggling to figure out how to customize the image even though the author has provided documentation, a configuration folder, and the iso boot image on his web site. > >> I may just revert to putting a boot partition on the hard drive of red hat and have it log in but would like to get this option to work for me. > >> > >> Here is the web site where I got PXES from... > >> http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ > >> A "how to" to configure the iso boot image... > >> http://pxes.sourceforge.net/howtos/Creating_a_Custom_RDP_ISO_Image.pdf > >> The downloads for the iso image and the config files. > >> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45684&package_id=38453&release_id=258546 > >> > >> Eric Neiwert > >> 7th grade humanities > >> Technology Coordinator > >> Gordon Russell Middle School > >> http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us > >> Gresham-Barlow School District > >> Gresham, OR > >-- > >Diego Torres Milano > >IN3 > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From diego at pxes.org Thu Feb 10 19:13:35 2005 From: diego at pxes.org (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:13:35 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <1108062815.5835.54.camel@zebra> > > Jim do you by any chance know anything about he other option > available > > specifically the ones to create a boot menu from dhcp I have > followed > > the mandrake-dos-ltsp howto and even though very little of it worked > I > > am now able to boot a thin client into ltsp or dos. but i have to > set it > > up for each client. I am using pxe booting and then bootstrapping > > etherboot after it . None of the instructions have worked I never > see a > > menu . I did find that i have to use option.pxemagic but that has > not > > worked either. Does anyone have a working config for a boot menu ? > > > > Does this guide help: > > http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/network-booting-pxe.html > There is a working sample using GRUB to unify PXE, Etherboot and local boot inside PXES distribution (http://pxes.sf.net). Download pxes-base-i586 (rpm or tar.gz) and you will find it in /tftpboot/pxes/grub. -- Diego Torres Milano PXES Universal Linux Thin Client From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Feb 11 07:41:45 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:41:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Error in path in script. Message-ID: <1108107705.420c61b9c3c20@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! The path in the openoffice-a4-to-letter.sh script from /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ is wrong from what i can see. The openoffice print settings has moved from: /usr/lib/openoffice/share/psprint/psprint.conf to /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/psprint/psprint.conf /daniel ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Feb 11 14:27:35 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:27:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 73 In-Reply-To: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> Sharon, Quickest route would be to setup winbindd (part of Samba) on your K12LTSP server, which would allow you to authenticate using the users and groups in ::shudder:: Active Directory. The one warning I can give is with Active Directory Ids-> UID mappings. If you add another Linux server and set it up w/ winbindd, unless you share the winbindd mapping database, users will have different Unix Uids on the 2 systems. But this will only affect you if you have more than one Linux system authenticating (and care about same UID mappings). There is information about it and you can cross that bridge later (I personally loaded a schema into AD and I pull straight LDAP from it...). I use my Win2k server with DHCP (so I turn k12ltsp's off). You probably have your user's files on the Win2k3 TS, so I am a bit unfamiliar with samba automounting those shares. Once you get this up and running, you might want to check out Microsoft's Services for Unix and setup just a linux workstation to see if you can get authentication going. Let me know if I can help. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From: "Sharon Betts" I need to put a Linux Terminal Server onto a Windows network. What should I do? I have thick clients (they all boot locally from Flash). I have a WIndows 2003 Terminal Server working very well. I want to add a linux terminal server to serve GIMP, StarOffice, Scribus, Freemind, cMap, etc. It doesn not need to do DHCP or anything else except serve apps. What is the easiest way to do this? Don't tell me at this point to go LDAP etc. I understand all that, but at this time, simply want to add Linux TS -- help? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 11 14:59:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:59:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] MOL on LTSP PPC Appserver Message-ID: <001201c5104a$549ce580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Just letting everyone know that it looks like it actually is possible to set up a PPC Appserver running MOL and display OSX on i386 and PPC thin clients. Below is a link to a screenshot of the OSX installer running from a YDL LTSP server displaying on a Term150. Now just to get MOL installed and fully functional :-) Does anyone out there have a successful MOL installed on any ppc platform? If so what distro did you use for the base and what hardware? The instructions from maconlinux.org are very vague and outdated. I am assuming that I need an HFS partition with OSX (or OS9) installed on it. Then another partition with Linux and MOL, then point mol to the hfs partition with the mac os? Once I get it running stable on one machine I'll set it up as an appserver and see how it handles a load. Looks like it is only configured for 10 connections by default. Just thought this may be a nice way for admins to support legacy apps that people won't let go of just like you do by connecting to a Windows terminal server with tsclient or rdesktop. Thanks http://www.1-cs.com/mol-ltsp.jpg Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 11 15:50:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:50:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MOL on LTSP PPC Appserver In-Reply-To: <001201c5104a$549ce580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c5104a$549ce580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 9:59 AM +0000 wrote: >Just thought this may be a nice way for admins to support legacy apps >that people won't let go of just like you do by connecting to a Windows >terminal server with tsclient or rdesktop. Jim....let us know if sound can migrate to the terminals using Mac-on-Linux.....if it does...that just might be more practical than Windows :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 11 15:50:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:50:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MOL on LTSP PPC Appserver In-Reply-To: <001201c5104a$549ce580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c5104a$549ce580$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 9:59 AM +0000 wrote: >Just thought this may be a nice way for admins to support legacy apps >that people won't let go of just like you do by connecting to a Windows >terminal server with tsclient or rdesktop. Jim....let us know if sound can migrate to the terminals using Mac-on-Linux.....if it does...that just might be more practical than Windows :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robowens at myway.com Fri Feb 11 15:55:41 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:55:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help Message-ID: <20050211155541.B2ABE39F1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Sharon, There may be better ways, but here's one way that might work. Set up a linux server with accounts for each user. Install the GIMP, Scribus, etc. Use ssh to connect to the linux server and run the applications. You may need to install Cygwin/X on the windows machines in order to get the graphics to work, but I'm not sure about that. I haven't tried any of this myself. Are your thick clients are running Windows? "Putty" is a free ssh client for Windows (I don't have any experience w/ it, though). Perhaps you could set up a "scribus" icon which calls a batch file that ssh's the linux server, logs in, and launches Scribus, all w/o user intervention--except for double-clicking the icon, of course. I may be completely wrong here. I've been thinking about this issue and it seems to me like this will work, but I haven't actually tested any of it. -Rob --- On Thu 02/10, Sharon Betts wrote: From: Sharon Betts [mailto: sbetts at msad71.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help I need to put a Linux Terminal Server onto a Windows network. What shouldI do?I have thick clients (they all boot locally from Flash).I have a WIndows 2003 Terminal Server working very well.I want to add a linux terminal server to serve GIMP, StarOffice, Scribus,Freemind, cMap, etc.It doesn not need to do DHCP or anything else except serve apps.What is the easiest way to do this? Don't tell me at this point togo LDAP etc. I understand all that, but at this time, simply want to add Linux TS --help?Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technologysbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben_______________________________________________K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osnFor more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 11 16:02:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:02:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] MOL on LTSP PPC Appserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c51053$16047cd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim....let us know if sound can migrate to the terminals > using Mac-on-Linux.....if it does...that just might be more > practical than Windows :-) Can do. I just slapped a firewire drive onto the YDL server with my OSX utility install on it. It booted great. On first boot it mounted a mol driver disk with an installer for ethernet, video, and sound drivers. I haven't rebooted yet to see if sound works but I'll let you know if it does. Here is a couple more screenshots: Loading Mac-on-Linux Drivers: http://www.1-cs.com/mol-ltsp1.jpg Playing OSX Chess: http://www.1-cs.com/mol-ltsp2.jpg My only problem now is it seems to only let me run one instance at a time, then I get a PID locked on the next terminal. I'll have to read more about MOL. Might have to have multiple images for it to choose from or something. I also see there is a dhcpd-mol.conf that can be configured, not sure what that is about. But if someone out here knows a little about MOL you may want to check into this. I think the possibilities might be cool. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 11 16:04:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:04:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap + smb auth? In-Reply-To: <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 08:27, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Quickest route would be to setup winbindd (part of Samba) on your > K12LTSP server, which would allow you to authenticate using the users > and groups in ::shudder:: Active Directory. > > The one warning I can give is with Active Directory Ids-> UID mappings. Has anyone tried using LDAP for everything but authentication? That is, add winbindd or smb authentication to the PAM setup so when local or LDAP authentication fails it will check the password against the domain controller. That should let you control uid's and home directory mapping in LDAP without the issue of having to maintain another copy of everyone's password (if you already have them in a domain controller). I'm doing local+smb now, but have to create the accounts I want on each machine and I could switch to LDAP easily if the passwords could still come from the domain controller. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 11 16:15:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:15:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <420BF396.5010003@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001b01c50d4d$bbabf9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4207CF80.6070009@hosef.org> <20050207221141.GA5413@sonic.net> <20050207225856.M29240@winonacotter.org> <42080309.3070806@cmosnetworks.com> <20050208001537.M6423@winonacotter.org> <1107822628.4267.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1107827719.30960.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107889610.7927.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <55464.216.216.171.235.1107962895.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1107993612.16761.145.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1319.216.216.171.235.1108047814.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1108055168.31890.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <420BF396.5010003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1108138542.17466.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 17:51, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Actually, that was my original argument. What's wrong with books, > pencil, and paper, and why is there such stiff opposition to their use > when they work so well? I just don't see the justification for blowing > all that dough on Reader Rabbit, the Windows license required to run it, > the technician's time to constantly clean/disinfect/repair/reimage the > thing (times how many boxes in your school), and the constant threat of > a BSA audit, requiring staff to spend time maintaining all those > licenses. I simply don't see the cost/benefit argument for that when > the combination of K12LTSP and actual books/pencils/paper works so well > for actually educating children. > > Given my above argument, can you enlighten me as to why Windows-only > programs like Reader Rabbit make sense in a school? If you can refute > what I've presented, I will, going forward, actively support Reader > Rabbit, etc. In any case, I'm quite willing to listen. I think the best argument for programs like that is that they are more fun than flash cards, so it boils down to how much money and effort you are willing to expend to have a good time. If the answer turns out to be 'none', you'll probably have a pretty unpleasant environment. One the other hand, being tied to any specific program, hardware, or operating system is a bad thing for reasons covered earlier - but it is also bad to not have a choice to use them. How much does this issue come up in 'all Mac' schools? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 11 16:46:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:46:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <1108138542.17466.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003101c51059$3bd27830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > How much does this issue come up in 'all Mac' schools? Having worked in all mac schools....it sure isn't any better. Brings up a funny point, Reader Rabbit runs on Mac too, just not linux. I think "all" anything is shooting yourself in the foot. I have no problem teaching all OS's as long as it isn't cost prohibitive and servers an educational purpose. Heck, I even diversify my paycheck. I don't trust any "one" thing anymore. I run Windows, Mac, and Linux and have Ford, Mopar and Chevy in my garage :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dgough at papcs.com Fri Feb 11 17:08:17 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:08:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032B8175E@xms.papcs.com> I've followed this thread with interest because it raises so many interesting questions. I work in a well funded private school in Vancouver, BC, Canada. We are a "Windows desktops only!!!!!" shop, because "that's what works" and we have the money. And, it does work, for the most part. But if we just accept the defaults, we produce endless amounts of data in proprietary formats, stored in individual home directories and backed up nightly to a tape that only the high priests of the server room (me and my co-worker) can access. It seems to me that for the average user, the priesthood of the expert is being maintained, even though the technology is finding it's way into more and more hands. I hate that. I hate the fact that education is such a natural human thing, and yet the very tools that could empower it are controlled in such a way that the important bits always stay in the hands of the elite. Gosh, I sound like George Orwell or something. I'm frustrated by the fact that freedom of information is so fundamental to the growth of a free, open, and free-enterprise society, and yet the ones who've come before us, and benefited from freedom, now use proprietary secrets to keep the rest of us from benefiting as we could. Am I ranting? I probably am, but I've taken the time to explain this perspective over and over and over again to the teachers and administrators and gotten no where, and this in Canada; a country that prides itself in being progressive and liberal. Even worse, why am I, a bloody technician, explaining this to teachers?!!!!! Teachers should already know this stuff. Isn't this the stuff of educational philosophy classes? Oh well, I need a coffee. With REAL cream.....mmmmmmmmm Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: February 11, 2005 8:46 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' > How much does this issue come up in 'all Mac' schools? Having worked in all mac schools....it sure isn't any better. Brings up a funny point, Reader Rabbit runs on Mac too, just not linux. I think "all" anything is shooting yourself in the foot. I have no problem teaching all OS's as long as it isn't cost prohibitive and servers an educational purpose. Heck, I even diversify my paycheck. I don't trust any "one" thing anymore. I run Windows, Mac, and Linux and have Ford, Mopar and Chevy in my garage :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:43:41 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:43:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap + smb auth? In-Reply-To: <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1108143821.28608.14.camel@phoenix.media.local> That's an interesting idea. I don't see why it wouldn't work. For example you could probably write a PAM backend to read the passwords from a plaintext file (why you would do this, I don't know).... The only thing would be creating the ldap user when you add a new Active Directory user. A solution to this would be to poll the Active Directory and, export the data from Active Directory, mangle it (perl time!), and then ldapadd it to the Linux LDAP server. Could be done, and run nightly or however often you need. I did all my Active Directory modifications (400 users) using a perl script... It added the new unix UID number, home directory, shell info, everything to the users (after I had a schema installed). Henry On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 11:04, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 08:27, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > > Quickest route would be to setup winbindd (part of Samba) on your > > K12LTSP server, which would allow you to authenticate using the users > > and groups in ::shudder:: Active Directory. > > > > The one warning I can give is with Active Directory Ids-> UID mappings. > > Has anyone tried using LDAP for everything but authentication? That is, > add winbindd or smb authentication to the PAM setup so when local or > LDAP authentication fails it will check the password against the > domain controller. That should let you control uid's and home directory > mapping in LDAP without the issue of having to maintain another copy > of everyone's password (if you already have them in a domain > controller). I'm doing local+smb now, but have to create the accounts > I want on each machine and I could switch to LDAP easily if the > passwords could still come from the domain controller. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 11 18:06:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:06:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap + smb auth? In-Reply-To: <1108143821.28608.14.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1108143821.28608.14.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <1108145211.17466.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 11:43, Henry Burroughs wrote: > That's an interesting idea. I don't see why it wouldn't work. For > example you could probably write a PAM backend to read the passwords > from a plaintext file (why you would do this, I don't know).... The only > thing would be creating the ldap user when you add a new Active > Directory user. You probably already have everything you need to create the accounts in some electronic format that can be exported to make the ldap entry. If you remove the password, you avoid a lot of issues in passing these files around and password changes only need to be done in one place. I'm not sure about the LDAP password attributes, but there is a minimum length requirement for local /etc/passwd (shadow) fields so you can use a '*' or '!!' as a "won't work" filler that forces PAM to try the next mechanism. I think the only thing I'm running that doesn't use PAM is cvs and I only have a small number of people using it so I just have them update their Linux passwords too. For everyone else the Linux password doesn't work and authentication works via smb. But, it would be even nicer to have the Linux account info in LDAP. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 11 18:15:59 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:15:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <003101c51059$3bd27830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <1108138542.17466.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <003101c51059$3bd27830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050211181559.GA3442@sonic.net> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:46:29AM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > How much does this issue come up in 'all Mac' schools? > > Having worked in all mac schools....it sure isn't any better. > > Brings up a funny point, Reader Rabbit runs on Mac too, just not linux. Heh, back before I got my current gig (cellphone game programming), I had sent my resume to the likes of Riverdeep. Never got a response. :^P I played with Reader Rabbit on Apple II, way, way, way back in the early 80s. I don't even remember what it did. Is there absolutely nothing like it in the OSS / Linux world? Perhaps it's time I seriously looked into Python and pyGame. :^) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 11 18:38:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:38:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <20050211181559.GA3442@sonic.net> Message-ID: <003a01c51068$d2808b50$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > in the early 80s. I don't even remember what it did. Is > there absolutely nothing like it in the OSS / Linux world? Again I admit this is a piece of software that is used in our schools, a few hundred copies, and I have never sat in front of it and watched it work. I have no idea what it does or how the kids benefit from it. I just know everyone "needs" it. There has to be an alternative somewhere, even if it is web based. I just need to get more familiar with these must have items and find alternatives. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 18:56:13 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:56:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <20050211181559.GA3442@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050211185614.85150.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:46:29AM -0600, Jim > Kronebusch wrote: > > > How much does this issue come up in 'all Mac' > schools? > > > > Having worked in all mac schools....it sure isn't > any better. > > > > Brings up a funny point, Reader Rabbit runs on Mac > too, just not linux. > > Heh, back before I got my current gig (cellphone > game programming), I had > sent my resume to the likes of Riverdeep. Never got > a response. :^P > > > I played with Reader Rabbit on Apple II, way, way, > way back in the early 80s. > I don't even remember what it did. Is there > absolutely nothing like it in > the OSS / Linux world? > > Perhaps it's time I seriously looked into Python and > pyGame. :^) > > > -bill! > bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating > an all-out tactical > http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, > followed by a light dinner." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > go for it bill! i love what you've already created - especially tuxpaint. and tuxmath would probably be my favorite math program ever (for basic skills) IF i could adjust the settings to only have addition or only subtraction (etc... you get the point), and single digits, double-digits, etc. why, i bet i could convince my school district to pay you some money to add that feature to your already wonderful program. i use your apps in my Windows-only lab (stand-alone PCs). i'd like to see a way to make them work faster in my LTSP labs, but i'm NOT using Xeons or Gigabit, so i'm probably outta luck there.... back on topic. bill has a great point. he or someone like him could create the OSS "clones" of Jumpstart and Reader Rabbit, etc. at MY school we are just looking for some quick, fun ways to reinforce the basic skills kids are learning in class (phonics, letter recognition, phoneme awareness, basic math computation, etc.). this is what we use our Windows-based software for. also, something that is similar to Inspiration/Kispiration (which i KNOW bill could do because the concept seems similar to "stamps" in tuxpaint). i'm not interested in the debate about whether we should or should not use Reader Rabbit or Oregon Trail or Jumpstart. that is for each district to determine on their own. in fact, i couldn't care less about these products. BUT they do serve a useful purpose for my teachers (NOT as baby-sitting toys - though i'm sure there are teachers that would do that). Oregon Trail is a fun way to spend a few minutes of free time AND it's educational (see?). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 18:59:13 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:59:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <003a01c51068$d2808b50$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050211185913.84312.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > in the early 80s. I don't even remember what it > did. Is > > there absolutely nothing like it in the OSS / > Linux world? > > Again I admit this is a piece of software that is > used in our schools, a > few hundred copies, and I have never sat in front of > it and watched it > work. I have no idea what it does or how the kids > benefit from it. I > just know everyone "needs" it. > > There has to be an alternative somewhere, even if it > is web based. I > just need to get more familiar with these must have > items and find > alternatives. > yes! especially the web-based part (if we can all get sound working on our clients). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 19:20:37 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:20:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) Message-ID: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> i DL'd the 4.2.0 isos and am ready to put it on a server that serves into two classrooms. it's got 3 Gb RAM and is a pretty fast AMD Athlon CPU. using 100 Mb ethernet NICs and switches on all of it. currently this server is running 3.0.0 and nfs mounting /home from a different server with SCSI drive. there are only 10 clients on this server at this time (but plans are to add probably 10 more this year and maybe more next year). what do i have to do to install 4.2.0 and get these things functioning properly? - apt/yum/whatever for updates - webmin (i use it alot) - adobe reader - flash player - java j2re - mount /home - IceWM - sound on clients - sound on flash in mozilla that's all thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 11 19:31:14 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:31:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) In-Reply-To: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108150273.17466.91.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 13:20, richard ingalls wrote: > what do i have to do to install 4.2.0 and get these > things functioning properly? > - apt/yum/whatever for updates This works out of the box. > - webmin (i use it alot) > - adobe reader > - flash player > - java j2re These are all 'click an icon in the 'get software' folder on root's desktop. > - mount /home Make an entry in /etc/fstab like you have now. I'll leave the rest to people who know more about client setup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Feb 11 19:39:50 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:39:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' Message-ID: <420D0A06.40802@snarlnet.com> I just wanted to say "Amen to that, brother". I totally believe what you're saying. I think everyone would be happier, smarter and more productive if they just had 2% more access to the "means of production" in the modern world. AKA, the guts of the computer. ck ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:08:17 -0800 From: "Doug Gough" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032B8175E at xms.papcs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've followed this thread with interest because it raises so many interesting questions. I work in a well funded private school in Vancouver, BC, Canada. We are a "Windows desktops only!!!!!" shop, because "that's what works" and we have the money. And, it does work, for the most part. But if we just accept the defaults, we produce endless amounts of data in proprietary formats, stored in individual home directories and backed up nightly to a tape that only the high priests of the server room (me and my co-worker) can access. It seems to me that for the average user, the priesthood of the expert is being maintained, even though the technology is finding it's way into more and more hands. I hate that. I hate the fact that education is such a natural human thing, and yet the very tools that could empower it are controlled in such a way that the important bits always stay in the hands of the elite. Gosh, I sound like George Orwell or something. I'm frustrated by the fact that freedom of information is so fundamental to the growth of a free, open, and free-enterprise society, and yet the ones who've come before us, and benefited from freedom, now use proprietary secrets to keep the rest of us from benefiting as we could. Am I ranting? I probably am, but I've taken the time to explain this perspective over and over and over again to the teachers and administrators and gotten no where, and this in Canada; a country that prides itself in being progressive and liberal. Even worse, why am I, a bloody technician, explaining this to teachers?!!!!! Teachers should already know this stuff. Isn't this the stuff of educational philosophy classes? Oh well, I need a coffee. With REAL cream.....mmmmmmmmm From sbetts at msad71.net Fri Feb 11 20:22:09 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:22:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help In-Reply-To: <20050211155541.B2ABE39F1@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050211155541.B2ABE39F1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rob, My thick clients are linux boxes -- is there anyway to have them access both the terminal servers? Sharon robowens at myway.com on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 10:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Sharon, There may be better ways, but here's one way that might work. Set >up a linux server with accounts for each user. Install the GIMP, Scribus, >etc. Use ssh to connect to the linux server and run the applications. You >may need to install Cygwin/X on the windows machines in order to get the >graphics to work, but I'm not sure about that. I haven't tried any of >this myself. Are your thick clients are running Windows? "Putty" is a >free ssh client for Windows (I don't have any experience w/ it, though). >Perhaps you could set up a "scribus" icon which calls a batch file that >ssh's the linux server, logs in, and launches Scribus, all w/o user >intervention--except for double-clicking the icon, of course. I may be >completely wrong here. I've been thinking about this issue and it seems >to me like this will work, but I haven't actually tested any of it. -Rob >--- On Thu 02/10, Sharon Betts< sbetts at msad71.net > wrote: From: Sharon >Betts [mailto: sbetts at msad71.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: >k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] >Linux TS help >I need to put a Linux Terminal Server onto a Windows network. What should >I do? >I have thick clients (they all boot locally from Flash). >I have a WIndows 2003 Terminal Server working very well. >I want to add a linux terminal server to serve GIMP, StarOffice, Scribus, >Freemind, cMap, etc. >It doesn not need to do DHCP or anything else except serve apps. >What is the easiest way to do this? Don't tell me at this point to >go LDAP etc. >I understand all that, but at this time, simply want to add Linux TS -- >help? >Sharon >MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >Robert Orben > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >! > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------No >banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - [ http://www.myway.com >]http://www.myway.com_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 11 20:36:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help In-Reply-To: References: <20050211155541.B2ABE39F1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1108154178.17466.97.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 14:22, Sharon Betts wrote: > Thanks Rob, > My thick clients are linux boxes -- is there anyway to have them access > both the terminal servers? > Sharon If they are already running X, use 'rdesktop' to connect to Windows terminal services. Ssh to a Linux box and start any X program by typing it's name and the window opens on your desktop. You can also connect the ssh command to desktop icon if you like. Or you can make a locally-booted Linux box act like a thin client by starting in text mode, then starting X like: X -query server to run the whole desktop remotely. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 11 20:39:23 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:39:23 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help Message-ID: <200502111940.j1BJe8C12329@downeast.net> hi sharon..prob right answser to wrong quetion...but i rdesktop 10.10.0.5 -g 64x480 or rdestop 10.10.0.18 -g 640x480.. gong to linuxworld??ill be there...chuck > Thanks Rob, > My thick clients are linux boxes -- is there anyway to have them access > both the terminal servers? > Sharon > > robowens at myway.com on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 10:55 AM +0000 wrote: > >Sharon, There may be better ways, but here's one way that might work. Set > >up a linux server with accounts for each user. Install the GIMP, Scribus, > >etc. Use ssh to connect to the linux server and run the applications. You > >may need to install Cygwin/X on the windows machines in order to get the > >graphics to work, but I'm not sure about that. I haven't tried any of > >this myself. Are your thick clients are running Windows? "Putty" is a > >free ssh client for Windows (I don't have any experience w/ it, though). > >Perhaps you could set up a "scribus" icon which calls a batch file that > >ssh's the linux server, logs in, and launches Scribus, all w/o user > >intervention--except for double-clicking the icon, of course. I may be > >completely wrong here. I've been thinking about this issue and it seems > >to me like this will work, but I haven't actually tested any of it. -Rob > >--- On Thu 02/10, Sharon Betts< sbetts at msad71.net > wrote: From: Sharon > >Betts [mailto: sbetts at msad71.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: > >k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] > >Linux TS help > >I need to put a Linux Terminal Server onto a Windows network. What should > >I do? > >I have thick clients (they all boot locally from Flash). > >I have a WIndows 2003 Terminal Server working very well. > >I want to add a linux terminal server to serve GIMP, StarOffice, Scribus, > >Freemind, cMap, etc. > >It doesn not need to do DHCP or anything else except serve apps. > >What is the easiest way to do this? Don't tell me at this point to > >go LDAP etc. > >I understand all that, but at this time, simply want to add Linux TS -- > >help? > >Sharon > >MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > >sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > >"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > >Robert Orben > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > >! > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------No > >banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > >Make My Way your home on the Web - [ http://www.myway.com > >]http://www.myway.com_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 11 20:58:39 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:58:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Samba] New stable release of Samba Console (1.1.23) Message-ID: <1108155519.420d1c7fbdc18@msdigitaldzines.com> In the SourceForge Download area which package should I download - imc-1.2.24-1.rhel3.i386rpm ? -mark From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 21:15:00 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:15:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Eric. I spent part of last weekend on irc with JimM. It seems that the actual SIS drivers for 4.2 have changed from the 3.x... Oh well, as it is right now, I have 800x600 with everything working fine, or XSERVER = XF86_SVGA (with 1024x768) and after logout the clients crashing to a grey screen with no cursor. Soooo... lots of time spent on it but I've learned more about how ltsp handles x setup! Jim From: Eric Harrison <eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us> To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:52:19 -0800 (PST) On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Jim Christiansen wrote: >Hi Jim, > >Thanks for looking at my X troubles. I just can't find any >documentation on other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is >probably the last place to look... I have tried all of the x_modes >below found in the lts.conf file: Most, if not all, options for lts.conf can be found in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme If you really get stuck, one quick fix would be to try the older X drivers: XSERVER = XF86_SVGA -Eric From sbetts at msad71.net Fri Feb 11 21:09:20 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:09:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation Message-ID: I am trying to get some donated laptops to boot using thinstation and then hook to our terminal server. I have the ISO burned to a CD and it begins loading the kernal unti. it gets to the network port. Then it says "network not initiated, halting process" and stops. Has anyone ever worked with this? Any suggestions? http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 21:18:40 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:18:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. In-Reply-To: <20050205222432.M85009@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Thank you Jim, It seems that 800x600 is as good as Jim McQuillan and I can get it right now. I had forgotten about ALT and Mouse movement to move the windows... This just works fine. thank you for all of the help and suggestions. Jim From: "Jim Kronebusch" <jim at winonacotter.org> To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can't get to the bottom of deep menus. Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:38:36 -0600 > Thanks for looking at my X troubles. I just can't find any > documentation on other XSERVER choices... I'm thinking that this is > probably the last place to look... I have tried all of the x_modes > below found in the lts.conf file: > [lib03] > XSERVER = auto > # 60 Hz Resolutions > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync Are all of the monitors that don't work the same brand and model? If so what is is? Maybe you could lookup the monitors and find supported resolutions with refresh rates. Then chase down the proper settings. You don't by any chance have a backup of the old setup lying around that you could pull the lts.conf from and see what things were set to before do you? Maybe you could build a quick test machine with 3.1.2 if not and boot one of the troublesome clients from it to be sure things are working, then grab the lts.conf from the working 3.1.2 system and try it in your 4.2 box. Here is a link I found in the archives for some other settings to try: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Feb 11 21:25:40 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (mark at msdigitaldzines.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:25:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP CLI Message-ID: <1108157140.420d22d470c7c@msdigitaldzines.com> Just a few questions, still playing with my sandbox, running Fedora Core 3. These questions are based on using the CLI to administor user and groups 1. How do I change a users primary group? 2. How do set a login and logout time ? 3. How do I set up for users to change the default password at next-login? Thanks --Mark From missive at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 21:49:21 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:19:21 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Two related problems Message-ID: Hi; I am not sure why I never get any response on this list... I must be in everyone's plonkfile for some reason. Anyone know? >I still cannot get my system to set the default gateway automatically. > >I looked at the dhcp lease, and the correct gateway is in the lease >file, but the gateway is not being set. > >I thought maybe the problem was with the firewall, but I reinstalled >without the firewall and I have the same problem. > >So, my question is ... to which file can I add a line like >route add default gw 10.0.0.1 >which will be run at startup? Anyhow, I figured out how to do this. I added the line to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and now the gateway is set on boot. >2nd question, which is related because the system is fine as long as >no one reboots it is ... How do I keep regular users from rebooting >the system? > >I used gdmconfig to remove the shutdown and reboot buttons from >the login screen, but those choices are still available when a user >logs out. > For this, I edited /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and uncommented the lines that start with #RebootCommand= and #HaltCommand= and removed everything after the = sign. Thanks for your time. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 22:01:55 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Two related problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502112237.j1BMbAke024300@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Lee Harr > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:49 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Two related problems > > Hi; > > I am not sure why I never get any response on this list... I > must be in everyone's plonkfile for some reason. Anyone know? > Not in my plonkfile... I mostly listen, and don't respond much. Glad you got it fixed... Tom From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Fri Feb 11 23:42:57 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:42:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Friday 11 February 2005 03:09 pm, Sharon Betts wrote: > I am trying to get some donated laptops to boot using thinstation and then > hook to our terminal server. I have the ISO burned to a CD and it begins > loading the kernal unti. it gets to the network port. Then it says > "network not initiated, halting process" and stops. Has anyone ever > worked with this? Any suggestions? > http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Check the BIOS on the laptops to see if they will PXE Boot. I used my Compaq laptop as a thinclient that way. Had to set the video driver to savage in LTS.conf to make X work, but it did work. If you care at all about the batteries you might want to take them out. I am pretty sure that the lack of any power management on the laptop as a client is what fried mine. Maybe not, but it was good when I started and at the end of the day it wouldn't last more than 5 minutes or take much of a charge. On the other hand, I have never been too impressed with compaq's batteries. This is the third one for that computer. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 23:50:42 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:50:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Question Message-ID: Hello, Our technician was in the building pulling cat5 and after he left this am, my librarian came to me to inform me that the clients were running at 1/2 speed. I just thought to run ifconfig and I see carrier:14197 and overruns:12141.... Great. I know this isn't good. Does anyone know what this means? Thanks, Jim Here is my complete ifconfig: [root at linux-thin1 ~]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:28:27:52 inet addr:192.168.1.175 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe28:2752/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:126270015 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:12141 frame:0 TX packets:153628098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:14197 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1069418867 (1019.8 MiB) TX bytes:652818974 (622.5 MiB) Interrupt:169 Base address:0x2000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:204548481 (195.0 MiB) TX bytes:204548481 (195.0 MiB) From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 11 23:53:09 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP 'school friendly' In-Reply-To: <20050211185614.85150.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050211181559.GA3442@sonic.net> <20050211185614.85150.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050211235309.GA12052@sonic.net> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:56:13AM -0800, richard ingalls wrote: > go for it bill! i love what you've already created - > especially tuxpaint. and tuxmath would probably be my > favorite math program ever (for basic skills) IF i > could adjust the settings to only have addition or > only subtraction (etc... you get the point), and > single digits, double-digits, etc. why, i bet i could > convince my school district to pay you some money to > add that feature to your already wonderful program. Grab the CVS version, try it out, and send me your feedback. ;) > i use your apps in my Windows-only lab (stand-alone > PCs). i'd like to see a way to make them work faster > in my LTSP labs, but i'm NOT using Xeons or Gigabit, > so i'm probably outta luck there.... Tux Math's fancy backgrounds can be turned off, which can help. Tux Paint has some modes for lightening its XOR-line blitting when preparing to draw a line, shape or place a stamp... Try 'em out, if you haven't. :^) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From moligney at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 23:56:46 2005 From: moligney at earthlink.net (Mike Oligney) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:56:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux Message-ID: <420D463E.3090806@earthlink.net> Just some thoughts from an old timer (45 years in the Biz). With M$ putting out their Antispyware product for windows to remove all the spyware that has crawled through the massive holes in the OS and Browser I think maybe linux's time is coming. Also if you read between the lines you will see they intend on including an OS license verification with the product in its final offering. That should send about 33 per cent of the uses hopping.I see so many dead M$ systems full of spyware and viruses and have to tell people that their private information has been compromised that I cant wait for the day that functionality beats the unstable bells and whistles of M$. Well I just updated my home RH8 P1/166 firewall/webserver/samba server/FTP Server/ DSL Router to FC2 on a P3 500 after running the last 3 years unattended. Also running two K12LTSP servers at school for various uses that have been up two and three years respectively with no problems. Glad to see this movement growing and would like to encourage those just getting into it. This is the right way to go. From sbetts at msad71.net Fri Feb 11 23:52:05 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 6:42 PM +0000 wrote: >Check the BIOS on the laptops to see if they will PXE Boot. I used my >Compaq >laptop as a thinclient that way. Had to set the video driver to savage in >LTS.conf to make X work, but it did work. If you care at all about the >batteries you might want to take them out. I am pretty sure that the lack >of >any power management on the laptop as a client is what fried mine. Maybe >not, >but it was good when I started and at the end of the day it wouldn't last >more than 5 minutes or take much of a charge. On the other hand, I have >never >been too impressed with compaq's batteries. This is the third one for >that >computer. > >Tim Kaldahl >Maplewood Academy Hi Tim, I really prefer local boot -- I assume my problem is the NIC type. Thanks for the warning on the battery -- were you running on power or on the battery at the time of "death"? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Sat Feb 12 01:17:56 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:17:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: References: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <200502111917.57075.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Friday 11 February 2005 05:52 pm, Sharon Betts wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Friday, February 11, 2005 at 6:42 PM +0000 wrote: > >Check the BIOS on the laptops to see if they will PXE Boot. I used my > >Compaq > >laptop as a thinclient that way. Had to set the video driver to savage in > >LTS.conf to make X work, but it did work. If you care at all about the > >batteries you might want to take them out. I am pretty sure that the lack > >of > >any power management on the laptop as a client is what fried mine. Maybe > >not, > >but it was good when I started and at the end of the day it wouldn't last > >more than 5 minutes or take much of a charge. On the other hand, I have > >never > >been too impressed with compaq's batteries. This is the third one for > >that > >computer. > > > >Tim Kaldahl > >Maplewood Academy > > Hi Tim, > I really prefer local boot -- I assume my problem is the NIC type. > Thanks for the warning on the battery -- were you running on power or on > the battery at the time of "death"? > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > The machine was plugged in at the time. From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Feb 12 01:34:06 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:34:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp - /etc/cron.d/squidGuard problem In-Reply-To: <200502111917.57075.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200502111742.5 7700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> <200502111917.57075.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <1463.24.2.210.202.1108172046.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I think that this is a Fedora 3 related issue. crond will not start this job. It reports Feb 11 20:03:37 boesrv01 crond[5427]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) I read squidGuard into pico and wrote it as squidGuard1 (changing the start time for testing), and restarted crond and squidGuard1 works, but squidGuard generates a message when crond is rstarted. [root at boesrv01 cron.d]# ls -l total 16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 278 Dec 7 23:08 squidGuard -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 278 Feb 11 20:17 squidGuard1 [root at boesrv01 cron.d]# ls -lZ -rwxr-xr-x root root system_u:object_r:etc_t squidGuard -rw-r--r-- root root root:object_r:etc_t squidGuard1 I have no idea what the SELinux stuff is about (a summer project). Prior to installing squid, I had a similar problem with my rsync job in cron.d and "solved" it the same way. Any ideas? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:08:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:08:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) In-Reply-To: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 2:20 PM +0000 wrote: >- apt/yum/whatever for updates works out of the box.... > >- webmin (i use it alot) On root's desktop there is a folder for installing additional software....webmin is one of the choices > >- adobe reader >- flash player >- java j2re These are also in that same folder....just click and install (uses yum) > >- mount /home You only do this if your using another server for authentication and the home dirs live on another server....otherwise it's not necessary. > >- IceWM IceWM should be installed by default...If you want to make IceWM the default...see the wiki for the most recent way to do that....it's essentially that you go to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions....and move the others...KDE, Gnome to another folder called "disabled"...etc. > >- sound on clients In lts.conf /opt/ltsp/lts.conf (I think) you need to change SOUND = Y (I think it already has nasd enabled by default...if so...go with it....if I were you I'd up the volume a little too....also found in lts.conf....simply increase the number) > >- sound on flash in mozilla If you do the step above it should work...especially in IceWM....works for me. there has been some discussion in the past couple weeks on this list on how to get sound working using esd....I haven't tried it though David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:08:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:08:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) In-Reply-To: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 2:20 PM +0000 wrote: >- apt/yum/whatever for updates works out of the box.... > >- webmin (i use it alot) On root's desktop there is a folder for installing additional software....webmin is one of the choices > >- adobe reader >- flash player >- java j2re These are also in that same folder....just click and install (uses yum) > >- mount /home You only do this if your using another server for authentication and the home dirs live on another server....otherwise it's not necessary. > >- IceWM IceWM should be installed by default...If you want to make IceWM the default...see the wiki for the most recent way to do that....it's essentially that you go to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions....and move the others...KDE, Gnome to another folder called "disabled"...etc. > >- sound on clients In lts.conf /opt/ltsp/lts.conf (I think) you need to change SOUND = Y (I think it already has nasd enabled by default...if so...go with it....if I were you I'd up the volume a little too....also found in lts.conf....simply increase the number) > >- sound on flash in mozilla If you do the step above it should work...especially in IceWM....works for me. there has been some discussion in the past couple weeks on this list on how to get sound working using esd....I haven't tried it though David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:21:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:21:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Two related problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 4:49 PM +0000 wrote: >>2nd question, which is related because the system is fine as long as >>no one reboots it is ... How do I keep regular users from rebooting >>the system? If you are using K12LTSP 4.2 (or even an earlier version)....you'll notice that no one else can restart the system....only root can do that. We thought of that one a LONG time ago. Actually reboot and shutdown show up, but they don't do anything...except possibly log out. In the future if you don't get an answer....keep asking....post again...sometimes the messages get buried....also make sure your subject "grabs" attention and perhaps specifies a little about the problem :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:21:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:21:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Two related problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 4:49 PM +0000 wrote: >>2nd question, which is related because the system is fine as long as >>no one reboots it is ... How do I keep regular users from rebooting >>the system? If you are using K12LTSP 4.2 (or even an earlier version)....you'll notice that no one else can restart the system....only root can do that. We thought of that one a LONG time ago. Actually reboot and shutdown show up, but they don't do anything...except possibly log out. In the future if you don't get an answer....keep asking....post again...sometimes the messages get buried....also make sure your subject "grabs" attention and perhaps specifies a little about the problem :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:22:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:22:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200502111742.57700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: sharon, PXES can be found here.... http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:35:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sharon...why not simply use PXES? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 02:35:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sharon...why not simply use PXES? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 12 03:43:46 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420D7B72.4000700@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello, Our technician was in the building pulling cat5 and after he > left this am, my librarian came to me to inform me that the clients > were running at 1/2 speed. > > I just thought to run ifconfig and I see carrier:14197 and > overruns:12141.... Great. I know this isn't good. > > Does anyone know what this means? Thanks, Jim > > Here is my complete ifconfig: > > [root at linux-thin1 ~]# ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:28:27:52 > inet addr:192.168.1.175 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe28:2752/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:126270015 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:12141 frame:0 > TX packets:153628098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:14197 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:1069418867 (1019.8 MiB) TX bytes:652818974 (622.5 MiB) > Interrupt:169 Base address:0x2000 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:204548481 (195.0 MiB) TX bytes:204548481 (195.0 MiB) What kind of gear are these drops plugged into? Hubs, switches, and at what speed? If they're hubs, you're going to see a reduction in throughput. If they're half-duplex switches, it won't be as bad. Optimum is full duplex. If you're using 100Mbps/FDX switches, you might check to see if your autonegotiation is 1.) turned on , and 2.) actually working right. Also, did he perform a full cabling test, and if so, did he give you a copy of the results? Wiring contractors are supposed to do that. --TP From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Sat Feb 12 03:28:13 2005 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:28:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *lengthy* Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux Message-ID: Long time no post for me....but I saw this and had to post. I've tried Microsoft Anti Spyware....and its pretty dern good. The best software Microsoft never made =) But alas....Microsoft bought Giant software to get this product. How long have they owned it...and that software already has new vulnerabilities. Tsk tsk. Ok....it's in *beta* so I can't go down on them too hard....this time. To tell you the truth though...I'm not disappointed with the way things are now with linux. I think Linux's big day is today. Look at what novell is doing and look at all the embedded linux applications. To me, Linux's big day isn't determined by quantity of desktops distributed...but the quality of the software. And for me...that day is today. And plus...if we truly want to make linux easy enough for every user we'll end up putting automated functions in that will be exploited like Microsoft's activex and the sort. Microsoft has always sacrificed everything else....especially security...in pursuit of "ease of use". Ironically, that strategy has worked well for them financially. In closing, I want to mention a recent interview with a Microsoft software Architect talking about the knew software authenticity verification system. He said this system will make sure you have an authentic version of windows before you can patch it. If "pirates" can't get the patches...then they are forced to upgrade. Think about that.... Microsoft has been doing this for years to scam their money. They treat loyal customers in this same matter. Windows 2000 working great for you? Ok...but we're gonna cut off the patch support for it so you get destroyed by our vulnerabilities and you'll have to go purchase our next upgrade. Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)653-5011 ___________________ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 05:02:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:02:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *lengthy* Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 10:28 PM +0000 wrote: >Microsoft has been doing this for years to scam their money. They treat >loyal customers in this same matter. Windows 2000 working great for you? >Ok...but we're gonna cut off the patch support for it so you get >destroyed by our vulnerabilities and you'll have to go purchase our next >upgrade. You mean you're supposed to pay for Windows too? (just kidding....actually I have an M$ School agreement to keep us in compliance....dammit) "I love Windows....it keeps the bugs out.........................of my house" ;-) Caleb...we were beginning to wonder if you were still alive! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 05:02:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:02:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *lengthy* Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 11, 2005 at 10:28 PM +0000 wrote: >Microsoft has been doing this for years to scam their money. They treat >loyal customers in this same matter. Windows 2000 working great for you? >Ok...but we're gonna cut off the patch support for it so you get >destroyed by our vulnerabilities and you'll have to go purchase our next >upgrade. You mean you're supposed to pay for Windows too? (just kidding....actually I have an M$ School agreement to keep us in compliance....dammit) "I love Windows....it keeps the bugs out.........................of my house" ;-) Caleb...we were beginning to wonder if you were still alive! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 12 07:06:07 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:06:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp - /etc/cron.d/squidGuard problem In-Reply-To: <1463.24.2.210.202.1108172046.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <200502111742.5 7700.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> <200502111917.57075.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> <1463.24.2.210.202.1108172046.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <8bffde5c1e9943971d5f06582d74cc8f@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you try running dos2unix on the original file? On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:34 PM, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I think that this is a Fedora 3 related issue. crond will not start > this > job. It reports > > Feb 11 20:03:37 boesrv01 crond[5427]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE > (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) > > I read squidGuard into pico and wrote it as squidGuard1 (changing the > start time for testing), and restarted crond and squidGuard1 works, but > squidGuard generates a message when crond is rstarted. > > [root at boesrv01 cron.d]# ls -l > total 16 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 278 Dec 7 23:08 squidGuard > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 278 Feb 11 20:17 squidGuard1 > [root at boesrv01 cron.d]# ls -lZ > -rwxr-xr-x root root system_u:object_r:etc_t > squidGuard > -rw-r--r-- root root root:object_r:etc_t > squidGuard1 > > I have no idea what the SELinux stuff is about (a summer project). > Prior > to installing squid, I had a similar problem with my rsync job in > cron.d > and "solved" it the same way. > > Any ideas? > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkINqt8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTrUwCdGU16APsX253F6B7Z1gSWF35e tnYAniMYgbpy4OW0u5SV5JwRydfESsM0 =IJSo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 12 07:19:15 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:19:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap + smb auth? In-Reply-To: <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050210175254.CAC737339B@hormel.redhat.com> <1108132010.27763.8.camel@phoenix.media.local> <1108137874.17466.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <6fc10797815714f5c199f61eee46b9d7@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For non-PAM distros, the nsswitch file can change this too. Worth looking at. On Feb 11, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Has anyone tried using LDAP for everything but authentication? That > is, > add winbindd or smb authentication to the PAM setup so when local or > LDAP authentication fails it will check the password against the > domain controller. That should let you control uid's and home > directory > mapping in LDAP without the issue of having to maintain another copy > of everyone's password (if you already have them in a domain > controller). I'm doing local+smb now, but have to create the accounts > I want on each machine and I could switch to LDAP easily if the > passwords could still come from the domain controller. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkINrfMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQhXQCgiCkIDWDBsX8mip0102e3PYP/ 1T0AnAs0rSmGISfnuGbPJPNuCoDYBhT4 =saWa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sat Feb 12 07:29:29 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:29:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > All the computers in grades 1-5 show a > list of users, so they can just pick their name and enter their > password > and go. > -- > Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Are these K12LTSP clients? If so, how are you doing this? --Peter From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 12 07:47:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:47:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] An idea about thin-clients with flash cards...etc....can it be done? Message-ID: First of all I know there are products out there that can do this...such as the IGEL, but I'm looking to keep my costs down and either build my own or somehow get something similar to an LTSP Term 150 and adapt it. If I get something like the mini ITX 2677R-Black from www.caseoutlet.com (I know these work as the guys in Exeter NH have a whole bunch in their new K12LTSP-based charter school) and adapt it with a compact flash slot or something... I'm hoping to replace my entire lab with small thin-clients and LCD monitors (I have LCD's already, but hoping to replace everything and move those out to classrooms). Building on what Sharon Betts has been discussing on this list...my idea is to have a local boot option using flash memory for the thin/thick clients....or something similar. Three reasons....with my younger students (generally Kindergartners) all they need to do is a couple of apps...generally Internet browsing with flash-based games...and simple word processing etc. My second reason is that sometime when I am away from school for a lengthy period of time....(like this week I'll be at Linux World in the LTSP booth) :-) I worry about...what if....the server goes down...then what will my classes do? (it happened last week....luckily all it took was a reboot and I was able to talk someone through turning the server off and on over the phone...no big deal, but....it happens every now and then...just freezes hard...I couldn't even ssh in...so...) Having an alternate boot...even of a simple OS would at least allow them to access the internet or something. Reason #3, and this is a biggie....I've noticed that when my entire lab uses Firefox combined with Flash plugin...visiting Flash-based web sites....the CPU usage on my server goes through the roof....and because it's running from the server...the sites tend to be slow. If there were some way for my to run Firefox and Flash locally from a flash disk or something...that'd be "very cool". Ideas, thoughts, suggestions....can this be done? If so how? And is anyone doing it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 12 16:32:32 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:32:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux In-Reply-To: <420D463E.3090806@earthlink.net> References: <420D463E.3090806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <420E2FA0.5070301@cmosnetworks.com> Mike Oligney wrote: > Just some thoughts from an old timer (45 years in the Biz). With M$ > putting out their Antispyware product for windows to remove all the > spyware that has crawled through the massive holes in the OS and > Browser I think maybe linux's time is coming. Also if you read between > the lines you will see they intend on including an OS license > verification with the product in its final offering. That should send > about 33 per cent of the uses hopping.I see so many dead M$ systems > full of spyware and viruses and have to tell people that their private > information has been compromised that I cant wait for the day that > functionality beats the unstable bells and whistles of M$. > > Well I just updated my home RH8 P1/166 firewall/webserver/samba > server/FTP Server/ DSL Router to FC2 on a P3 500 after running the > last 3 years unattended. Also running two K12LTSP servers at school > for various uses that have been up two and three years respectively > with no problems. > > Glad to see this movement growing and would like to encourage those > just getting into it. This is the right way to go. Not to be outdone by the "old timers," here's a response from a relative wee tot in the business. :-) My mail server's statistics: [bigkahuna at mailsvr bigkahuna]$ uptime 11:12am up 465 days, 12:44, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [bigkahuna at mailsvr bigkahuna]$ This is on an AMD K6-2 running at 300MHz. About as low maintenance as you can get. The only thing I have to do is check the logs, which, BTW, show that it is subject to between 50,000 and 100,000 individual attacks every day. All have been repelled to date. The same applies to my DNS servers, also running GNU/Linux. Try getting these results with a Windows box directly accessible from the Internet, and especially if you're running Exchange Server. :-D I know, I tried; this box was in fact running Exchange Server when it got cracked. That's when I switched it to GNU/Linux...465 days ago. --TP -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 12 17:08:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:08:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] An idea about thin-clients with flash cards...etc....can it be done? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108228092.17715.30.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 01:47, David Trask wrote: > my idea is to have a local boot option using > flash memory for the thin/thick clients....or something similar. You probably should follow this project: http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/stateless-linux-HOWTO-en/ or you'll end up having to spend time at every client again to get the improvements from the next version of the software. > Three > reasons....with my younger students (generally Kindergartners) all they > need to do is a couple of apps...generally Internet browsing with > flash-based games...and simple word processing etc. I think anything from a P300 up with a video card that has decent X acceleration so the CPU isn't spending all its time moving things on the screen could run the window manager and at least a few apps locally to scale up the number of clients a server can handle. But, it will take a lot more work and management to set it up to save a fairly small amount of money on servers. > My second reason is > that sometime when I am away from school for a lengthy period of > time....(like this week I'll be at Linux World in the LTSP booth) :-) I > worry about...what if....the server goes down...then what will my classes > do? (it happened last week....luckily all it took was a reboot and I was > able to talk someone through turning the server off and on over the > phone...no big deal, but....it happens every now and then...just freezes > hard...I couldn't even ssh in...so...) Having an alternate boot...even of > a simple OS would at least allow them to access the internet or something. If you have a 2-NIC topology and your local server dies, you are out of business anyway. The only thing you can do is to have a spare ready to swap in. For a site with several servers, this shouldn't be a big deal and you can use it for testing new stuff when it isn't needed, especially if it has swappable drive carriers so you can plop in whatever you need in an emergency. If you have to justify spending for the spare to someone, remember that you'd be just as dead when the server breaks with any OS, and in this case you don't pay extra for an extra copy of the software on your backup box. If you have a gig backbone and servers configured for one NIC connections so any client can reach any server (unless your switches break...) I think there is an easy solution. I've mentioned this before and I think someone tried it and didn't succeed but I'd like to pin down the reason. I think it should be as simple as setting up DHCP on all the servers but limiting the range on each to a small number of non-overlapping addresses. Then each client will receive it's configuration from the server that responds the fastest to its DHCP request. If a server breaks, reboot the client and it should connect to one that is still working. If the concept works you could probably whip up some scripts to fine tune things based on server load across the site. You will still be dependent on your internet gateway, LDAP server, and home directory server so you should have spares and a plan prepared in case those break too. > Reason #3, and this is a biggie....I've noticed that when my entire lab > uses Firefox combined with Flash plugin...visiting Flash-based web > sites....the CPU usage on my server goes through the roof....and because > it's running from the server...the sites tend to be slow. If there were > some way for my to run Firefox and Flash locally from a flash disk or > something...that'd be "very cool". Ideas, thoughts, suggestions....can > this be done? If so how? And is anyone doing it? You should be able to run anything you want as a 'local app' on the client with installing it or making the clients bootable. All you need to do is make the app appear on the NFS-mounted partition it gets from the server. Enable the local shell on one of the client VT's and poke around... Given an LDAP and remote home directory server you wouldn't have too much more work to do to make the clients use authentication and mount the homes too. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Feb 12 18:13:19 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:13:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Antispyware(Beta) vs Linux In-Reply-To: <420E2FA0.5070301@cmosnetworks.com> References: <420D463E.3090806@earthlink.net> <420E2FA0.5070301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050212175239.M28242@winonacotter.org> > This is on an AMD K6-2 running at 300MHz. About as low maintenance > as you can get. The only thing I have to do is check the logs, > which, BTW, show that it is subject to between 50,000 and 100,000 > individual attacks every day. All have been repelled to date. The > same applies to my DNS servers, also running GNU/Linux. > > Try getting these results with a Windows box directly accessible > from the Internet, and especially if you're running Exchange Server. > :-D I know, I tried; this box was in fact running Exchange Server > when it got cracked. That's when I switched it to GNU/Linux...465 > days ago. Here, here. In my business as a computer repair company and my full time job working in schools I of course work on many servers and OS's. In the last 2 years the only machines I have not had to touch, are my linux servers. I only have 5 production Linux servers right now and a handful of Linux routers, but the only time I touch them is to add a feature or perform and upgrade. Every Windows server I have or that I run into is constantly battling viruses and hacks. I can put all the protection in the world on them and constantly monitor and update them, but something always slips through the cracks. One of my stupid Windows Email servers has services randomly stop. I have so many users on it I haven't taken the time to move them to a Linux mail server (I am still perfecting a multiple domain setup as well before the move). So I have gone as far as writing a batch file that monitors the main services every minute, and if one has stopped it restarts it. Pretty stupid huh. In my eyes Linux is the only way to go for a server, and I only install Windows now if the customer/user needs a Windows server due to some crap software that only runs on .Net with IIS or something or absolutely "needs" exchange. But before doing so I make sure to educate them on their decision and let them know that I have no problem taking their money to keep coming back to fix the machine :-) And the only thing holding it back at the desktop level is familiarity and ease of use. Installing programs has become easier with yum/apt/rpms etc so most of that has been taken care of unless you have a need to compile from source or something. The only thing left is teaching users the new software. So for the future Linux is the only possible stable platform option I see. And it doesn't take too long to see that its options are endless (thanks OSS). Sure you have mac, but luckily they keep shooting themselves in the foot by making money off of hardware not software, and giving the only good thing they have going (the os) no future since it won't run on anything but a proprietary platform. Don't get me wrong, I love OSX, it just doesn't run on anything I have or on a platform I can afford. But that is a whole other discussion.....I can feel the heat already :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 12 21:49:13 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:49:13 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] net getlocalsid Message-ID: <200502122049.j1CKnpl18991@downeast.net> could annyone explain the relationship between netbios name,macine name workgroup name and getlocalsid??between a rock and a hard place because if i set netbios name and workgroup name the same slbldap works fine til w 200 gets a hair across its powersupply and decides there are duplicate names on network if i set them differently net getlocalsid fails. chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 23:23:07 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:23:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Question In-Reply-To: <420D7B72.4000700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hi Terrell, All of the switches go into new 10/100 dell or dlink switches. I don't know more than that, but I'll check. Our cables are rarely checked after install... I know, but our techie is the only one for 9 schools and ... We did install a new fiber backbone at your and a couple of others encouragement last summer. Things were just awesome here for almost 3 months, until more old recycled cat5 got added to the extremities of the network. Until then, the K12LTSP server system ran without a single issue- smb printing, nis, nfs, clients- all perfect. Now sometimes we can't print, kids can't access the NIS server (also the K12LTSP server) or clients just drop off. How do I check to see if autonegotiation is is on? Thanks, Jim From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com> To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Question Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:46 -0500 Jim Christiansen wrote: >Hello, Our technician was in the building pulling cat5 and after he >left this am, my librarian came to me to inform me that the clients >were running at 1/2 speed. > >I just thought to run ifconfig and I see carrier:14197 and >overruns:12141.... Great. I know this isn't good. > >Does anyone know what this means? Thanks, Jim > >Here is my complete ifconfig: > >[root at linux-thin1 ~]# ifconfig >eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:28:27:52 > inet addr:192.168.1.175 Bcast:192.168.1.255 >Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe28:2752/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:126270015 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:12141 >frame:0 > TX packets:153628098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 >carrier:14197 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:1069418867 (1019.8 MiB) TX bytes:652818974 >(622.5 MiB) > Interrupt:169 Base address:0x2000 > >lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:315878 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:204548481 (195.0 MiB) TX bytes:204548481 (195.0 >MiB) What kind of gear are these drops plugged into? Hubs, switches, and at what speed? If they're hubs, you're going to see a reduction in throughput. If they're half-duplex switches, it won't be as bad. Optimum is full duplex. If you're using 100Mbps/FDX switches, you might check to see if your autonegotiation is 1.) turned on <they usually are by default>, and 2.) actually working right. Also, did he perform a full cabling test, and if so, did he give you a copy of the results? Wiring contractors are supposed to do that. --TP From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 23:32:05 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:32:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crash at Print Update In-Reply-To: <420D7B72.4000700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I have removed all firefox, java/j2re, and mozilla related rpms (and left over /usr/lib/mozilla and firefox dirs) and then installed the firefox tar.gz 1.0 form mozilla.org. Users still crash it at print requests BUT root can print fine now... I wonder if this means that I'm closer to getting this baby back to normal? I may have included Dag sources for grabbing some of his stuff and done an update before removing them... Please don't flame me! Ideas are welcome... Jim From les at futuresource.com Sun Feb 13 01:17:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:17:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108257439.18608.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 17:23, Jim Christiansen wrote: > All of the switches go into new 10/100 dell or dlink switches. I don't know > more than that, but I'll check. Our cables are rarely checked after > install... I know, but our techie is the only one for 9 schools and ... > > We did install a new fiber backbone at your and a couple of others > encouragement last summer. Things were just awesome here for almost 3 > months, until more old recycled cat5 got added to the extremities of the > network. Until then, the K12LTSP server system ran without a single issue- > smb printing, nis, nfs, clients- all perfect. Now sometimes we can't print, > kids can't access the NIS server (also the K12LTSP server) or clients just > drop off. > > How do I check to see if autonegotiation is is on? If the switches are managed you should be able to telnet to them or use a web interface to check/change settings. You may be able to see which ports have errors and whether you have any full/half duplex mismatches. On the Linux side, use mii-tool or ethtool. Switches are supposed to isolate errors but they don't always, especially ones caused by out-of spec wiring. If you have to do a brute-force check, unplug the new wires at the switch end until the rest of the network stops seeing errors. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Sun Feb 13 03:13:25 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:13:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] An idea about thin-clients with flash cards...etc....can it be done? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420EC5D5.8020604@telus.net> David Trask wrote: >First of all I know there are products out there that can do this...such >as the IGEL, but I'm looking to keep my costs down and either build my own >or somehow get something similar to an LTSP Term 150 and adapt it. If I >get something like the mini ITX 2677R-Black from www.caseoutlet.com (I >know these work as the guys in Exeter NH have a whole bunch in their new >K12LTSP-based charter school) and adapt it with a compact flash slot or >something... > > > This looks interesting. http://www.neoware.com/products/capio/capio_one_linux_specs.html It comes with embedded Redhat linux. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at telus.net Sun Feb 13 03:22:10 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:22:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] An idea about thin-clients with flash cards...etc....can it be done? In-Reply-To: <420EC5D5.8020604@telus.net> References: <420EC5D5.8020604@telus.net> Message-ID: <420EC7E2.5080801@telus.net> Here is the pricing. http://www.neoware.com/products/capio/capio_one_linux.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From samps at unplugd.com Sun Feb 13 05:37:06 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:07:06 +1030 Subject: [K12OSN] What isthe name of Jim McQ's thin client shop ...? Message-ID: <420EE782.6010503@unplugd.com> Browsing for thin clients and think I can remember seeing something interesting there... just can't remember the address and Google gives more than I can cope with... cheers Samps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 06:04:05 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:04:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What isthe name of Jim McQ's thin client shop ...? In-Reply-To: <420EE782.6010503@unplugd.com> References: <420EE782.6010503@unplugd.com> Message-ID: www.disklessworkstations.com On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:07:06 +1030, Samps wrote: > Browsing for thin clients and think I can remember seeing something > interesting there... just can't remember the address and Google gives > more than I can cope with... > > cheers > Samps > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From samps at unplugd.com Sun Feb 13 06:07:02 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:37:02 +1030 Subject: [K12OSN] What isthe name of Jim McQ's thin client shop ...? In-Reply-To: References: <420EE782.6010503@unplugd.com> Message-ID: <420EEE86.4010007@unplugd.com> Steve Hargadon wrote: > www.disklessworkstations.com thanks heaps Samps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Sun Feb 13 06:14:25 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:14:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP Message-ID: <49300.69.26.16.175.1108275265.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> I am currently running Fedora Core 2. I've had some problems with it. Today I did a fresh install of the operating system. I then installed LTSP. It worked perfectly. All the thin clients loaded just the way they were supposed to. I then downloaded the updates for Fedora. When I rebooted, the thin clients did not boot properly. They identified their IP address and that of the server. They identified the kernel. Then, instead of rapidly filling the computer screen with dots like they're supposed to, they started displaying dots only every minute or so. Is there a problem with Fedora updates? Would I be better off not downloading updates? Or, should I download LTSP after downloading my updates? After this experience and experience with this in previous installs, I'm pretty sure I have a software problem, but that is as far as my reasoning takes me. --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu From jam at mcquil.com Sun Feb 13 13:38:20 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP In-Reply-To: <49300.69.26.16.175.1108275265.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> References: <49300.69.26.16.175.1108275265.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: Jason, It sounds like the updates installed new config files for tftpd, which disabled tftpd access. Try running ltspcfg, and see if you can re-configure tftpd. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > I am currently running Fedora Core 2. I've had some problems with it. > Today I did a fresh install of the operating system. I then installed > LTSP. It worked perfectly. All the thin clients loaded just the way they > were supposed to. > > I then downloaded the updates for Fedora. When I rebooted, the thin > clients did not boot properly. They identified their IP address and that > of the server. They identified the kernel. Then, instead of rapidly > filling the computer screen with dots like they're supposed to, they > started displaying dots only every minute or so. > > Is there a problem with Fedora updates? Would I be better off not > downloading updates? Or, should I download LTSP after downloading my > updates? > > After this experience and experience with this in previous installs, I'm > pretty sure I have a software problem, but that is as far as my reasoning > takes me. > > --Jason Waskiewicz > jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 13 14:30:12 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <003501c511d8$87a67b50$01fea8c0@brcHOST> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun Feb 13 18:37:08 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:37:08 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] synergy between the K12LTSP and Skolelinux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440D61AF-7DEE-11D9-932F-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> > However, as I hinted earlier, I may not have a lot of time in the > next couple weeks to add specific new features to K12LTSP... But > don't dispair, interesting things are happening in the background ;-) > > -Eric Eric, Thanks for your super-human efforts. They are very much appreciated out here in the middle of the Pacific. Is there a page out there where we can take a look at the K12LTSP roadmap? --Peter From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 13 19:08:19 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:08:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No files in my /boot folder ? Message-ID: <001101c511ff$620da040$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi all, My first post to this board ,,although ive been "lurking" for several months now. We have (4), K12ltsp servers runing now,, for about 1 year.,, Problem: I did a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.2( FC3)..on an intel,700mhz - dual processor,server After running for a few weeks I notice that there are >NO<[0], files in the boot folder,,, ( yes ive alrady checked to see if the files, may be hidden for some ,,strange reason,,).. Also in Webmin ,,of,,course the GRUB module does not "see" any files to reconfigure. Has anyone ever run into this scenario ,before? My other boxes are 4.1.1(2)...and one other new 4.2(FC3) ,,which IS showing the appropriate files in the boot folder.. How in the world is this box,,,even booting up?/ Thanks,, Barry Cisna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Sun Feb 13 19:40:35 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] No files in my /boot folder ? In-Reply-To: <001101c511ff$620da040$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001101c511ff$620da040$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: Barry, The /boot directory is usually a mount point for a separate disk partition. Sounds like yours isn't mounted. You can type 'mount' to see what filesystems are mounted. If you don't see /boot mounted, then take a look at /etc/fstab, and see if you have an entry for /boot. If so, try mounting it with something like: mount /boot and see what it does. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to this board ,,although ive been "lurking" for several months now. > > We have (4), K12ltsp servers runing now,, for about 1 year.,, > Problem: I did a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.2( FC3)..on an intel,700mhz - dual processor,server > > After running for a few weeks I notice that there are >NO<[0], files in the boot folder,,, > ( yes ive alrady checked to see if the files, may be hidden for some ,,strange reason,,).. > Also in Webmin ,,of,,course the GRUB module does not "see" any files to reconfigure. > > Has anyone ever run into this scenario ,before? > My other boxes are 4.1.1(2)...and one other new 4.2(FC3) ,,which IS showing the appropriate files in the boot folder.. > > How in the world is this box,,,even booting up?/ > > > Thanks,, > > Barry Cisna > From hendersonh at unit5.org Sun Feb 13 20:32:03 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:32:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple NFS servers to 1 login server? Message-ID: Are there any docs or Howto's out there explaining the best way to setup a system where we mount multiple NFS servers (home directories) to 1 common server? Here is the situation. We have been asked to provide access from home to our user's home directories. Well, I have been playing with ssh and managed to get out portal server (the 1 common server in this case) to mount home directories from 1 NFS server. It reads the LDAP server, gets the home dir path and as an NFS client automounts the homedir. BUT. I am using NFSv4 set to export /home. My auto.home on the common server is set to read the NFS server with ( school1:/home/& * -fstype=nfs4,rw,proto=tcp,port=2049 172.16.1.10:/& ) Can I add school2:/home/& * -fstype=nfs4,rw,proto=tcp,port=2049 172.16.2.10:/& and just continue on finishing out to school15:/home/& ? Or, do I need to make entires in the auto.home which map to the speicfic users home dir path including the server their home dir resides on? Any help would be welcomed. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 13 21:25:22 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:25:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool "reflecting" ? Message-ID: <003c01c51212$878f6480$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Does anyone have the Teachertool working,,using it to "shadow"..client sessions?/ Either K12LTSP 4.1.1 , or 4.2? If so,,could you post a "HowTo".. Just curious? Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 13 22:52:04 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:52:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy Message-ID: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Here is an easy/quick way to acheive load balancing between K12LTSP servers for your LAN.. We have our school under a two subnet setup ( elem & high school) This setup works in conjunction with a windows network with no mods,,to your existing switches,wiring,etc. Our windows network is on a 172.28.x.x network on each subnet as well, I have the LTSP netowrk setup..to the default setup,,of 192.168.0.x on both subnets. I have two K12LTSP servers feeding into each subnet.( total four). Make sure you have disabled DHCP on your firewall..and windows servers... Then,, simply run parallel,,DHCP servers( enable DHCP,,on all of your K112LTSP servers,and then all you have to do is hardcode,, the IP settings,,on your teachers/staff windows boxes,,( we are trying to get (almost) completly away from win doze),, If you have DHCP enabled on your windows servers some clients will boot up ok,,and some will "kernel panic",, When your clients bootup under this scenario ..they will randomly "access" the least busyest server,and will usually end up about 50/50to each sevrer feeding them, in a given room of puters,, You will not need to even do any config in your hosts.conf...etc.. then, just do a scheduled cron job ,hourly with rsync of your students home folders( unless your have a centralized server for home folder redirection),, this may be a overly simplistic approach,,but works great for our school scenario. I tryed to get the XDMCP chooser to work,on clients,,but was too time consuming.and this approach is "seamless". Just thought this may help some people trying to "build out" on their existing K12lTSP setup.. hope this is of some help to someone,, Take care... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Feb 13 23:05:18 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:05:18 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool "reflecting" ? Message-ID: <200502132205.j1DM5mR15495@downeast.net> look in wiki.ltsp.org undre works in progress..here is revised Teach2,py.chuck Does anyone have the Teachertool working,,using it to > "shadow"..client sessions?/ > Either K12LTSP 4.1.1 , or 4.2? > If so,,could you post a "HowTo".. > > Just curious? > > Barry > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Teach2.py Type: application/octet-stream Size: 15283 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 14 03:25:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:25:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <20050214032356.M57804@winonacotter.org> I'm here! Just got setup at the Lenox after a couple delayed flights. If anyone needs any help setting up on Monday send me and email. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 14 04:53:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:53:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050214032356.M57804@winonacotter.org> References: <20050214032356.M57804@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050214045118.M78006@winonacotter.org> > I'm here! Just got setup at the Lenox after a couple delayed > flights. If anyone needs any help setting up on Monday send me and email. Or give me a call in room 502. My business parter is along with as well and were hoping to get any hands on with helping as possible. Otherwise we'll see you at the LTSP booth on Tuesday morning. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From netdxr at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 07:02:47 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:02:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) In-Reply-To: References: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <863ff452050213230229092192@mail.gmail.com> Richard, We've been using IceWM for several years and recommend it highly for a classroom desktop. It's fast, lightweight and provides a fixed menu and toolbar configuration that can't be "creatively adjusted" by the kids. :) A downside of IceWM is that the menus usually need to be configured with a text editor because the automated Gnome menu importer isn't optimal. A few months ago I found an improved package that dynamically creates the menu entries with their associated icons: http://linuce.free.fr/Softwares/icewm-menu-gnome/ The app creates the menu when the user first clicks on it... but there's a delay involved while the app processes the Gnome entries. I didn't like this so I used the app to generate a static text file of all the menu entries with their associated icons in the 4.2.0 release. If you're interested, I'll be happy to send you a copy. -Tom From holtniurka at cantv.net Mon Feb 14 11:36:43 2005 From: holtniurka at cantv.net (Richard) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:36:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 (any hints or tips?) In-Reply-To: <863ff452050213230229092192@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050211192037.63544.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> <863ff452050213230229092192@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200502140736.44216.holtniurka@cantv.net> On Mon 14 February 2005 03:02, Tom Lisjac wrote: > Richard, > > We've been using IceWM for several years and recommend it highly for a > classroom desktop. It's fast, lightweight and provides a fixed menu > and toolbar configuration that can't be "creatively adjusted" by the > kids. :) > > A downside of IceWM is that the menus usually need to be configured > with a text editor because the automated Gnome menu importer isn't > optimal. A few months ago I found an improved package that > dynamically creates the menu entries with their associated icons: > > http://linuce.free.fr/Softwares/icewm-menu-gnome/ > > The app creates the menu when the user first clicks on it... but > there's a delay involved while the app processes the Gnome entries. I > didn't like this so I used the app to generate a static text file of > all the menu entries with their associated icons in the 4.2.0 release. > If you're interested, I'll be happy to send you a copy. MenuMaker is a another good menu updater for icewm, etal. Don't have the url at hand but it works very well with icewm and is quick. Richard Holt. > -Tom From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 14 11:37:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:37:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200502141037.j1EAbl026574@downeast.net> cool..i have commitments here tonight..leving crack o dawn Tuesday morning and ll see you there..I am staying at Lenox as well so maybe we can find a place to hack some stuff.chuck > I'm here! Just got setup at the Lenox after a couple delayed flights. If > anyone needs any help setting up on Monday send me and email. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing listnd 3 > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 14 13:52:25 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:52:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <200502141037.j1EAbl026574@downeast.net> References: <200502141037.j1EAbl026574@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050214135148.M11858@winonacotter.org> > cool..i have commitments here tonight..leving crack o dawn Tuesday morning > and ll see you there..I am staying at Lenox as well so maybe we can > find a place to hack some stuff.chuck See you tomorrow at the booth. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 14 14:46:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:46:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050214032356.M57804@winonacotter.org> References: <20050214032356.M57804@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 10:25 PM +0000 wrote: >I'm here! Just got setup at the Lenox after a couple delayed flights. >If >anyone needs any help setting up on Monday send me and email. Jim! What room you in? I'll be arriving tonight...not sure what time, but I too am staying at the Lenox and I'm very familiar with much of Boston....maybe we could do dinner? Same for anyone else who's in Boston tonight (Monday)....drop me a line and maybe we can get together for dinner or a beer. I hope to be out of here before 3 p.m. so depending on the traveling I should make it before 6:30. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 14 14:47:03 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:47:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux TS help Message-ID: <20050214144703.0DE323A6C@mprdmxin.myway.com> Sharon, Just like Les said, use rdesktop to connect to Windows Terminal Server, and ssh to connect to a linux server. You can pipe a command for the server through ssh (although I'm not 100% sure of the syntax -- maybe somebody else could help w/ that). This would allow you to set up menu items (in icewm anyway) that would call ssh and call the app for you. ssh will ask for password info each time it is called unless you do one of the following: 1) Use key authentication with empty passphrases (see man ssh-keygen for more info) 2) Use ssh-agent to remember your password / passphrase after it has been used once. (see man ssh-agent for more info). -Rob --- On Fri 02/11, Les Mikesell wrote: From: Les Mikesell [mailto: les at futuresource.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: robowens at myway.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux TS help On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 14:22, Sharon Betts wrote:> Thanks Rob,> My thick clients are linux boxes -- is there anyway to have them access> both the terminal servers?> SharonIf they are already running X, use 'rdesktop' to connect to Windowsterminal services. Ssh to a Linux box and start any X program bytyping it's name and the window opens on your desktop. You can alsoconnect the ssh command to desktop icon if you like. Or you canmake a locally-booted Linux box act like a thin client by startingin text mode, then starting X like:X -query serverto run the whole desktop remotely.-- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 14 14:47:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:47:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool "reflecting" ? In-Reply-To: <200502132205.j1DM5mR15495@downeast.net> References: <200502132205.j1DM5mR15495@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 6:05 PM +0000 wrote: >look in wiki.ltsp.org undre works in progress..here is revised >Teach2,py.chuck Maybe we can 'work' on this at LinWorld? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 14 15:28:15 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:28:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] how's my formatting? Message-ID: <20050214152815.B1121393E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Guys, Somebody let me know last week that my emails looked kinda screwed up (having to do w/ html settings). I'm trying some changes to my settings, but I can't tell on my system if it's making any difference. This should be a new paragraph. Then I'm going to skip 2 lines. Is my formatting coming out correctly? I don't want to be a nuisance on this list and if I can't get it right I'm going to switch to a different free-email provider. Thanks -Rob --- On Mon 02/14, Rob Owens wrote: From: Rob Owens [mailto: robowens at myway.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:47:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux TS help Sharon, Just like Les said, use rdesktop to connect to Windows Terminal Server, and ssh to connect to a linux server. You can pipe a command for the server through ssh (although I'm not 100% sure of the syntax -- maybe somebody else could help w/ that). This would allow you to set up menu items (in icewm anyway) that would call ssh and call the app for you. ssh will ask for password info each time it is called unless you do one of the following: 1) Use key authentication with empty passphrases (see man ssh-keygen for more info) 2) Use ssh-agent to remember your password / passphrase after it has been used once. (see man ssh-agent for more info). -Rob --- On Fri 02/11, Les Mikesell wrote: From: Les Mikesell [mailto: les at futuresource.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: robowens at myway.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux TS help On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 14:22, Sharon Betts wrote:> Thanks Rob,> My thick clients are linux boxes -- is there anyway to have them access> both the terminal servers?> SharonIf they are already running X, use 'rdesktop' to connect to Windowsterminal services. Ssh to a Linux box and start any X program bytyping it's name and the window opens on your desktop. You can alsoconnect the ssh command to desktop icon if you like. Or you canmake a locally-booted Linux box act like a thin client by startingin text mode, then starting X like:X -query serverto run the whole desktop remotely.-- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.comNo banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osnFor more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 14 15:53:39 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:53:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP Message-ID: <20050214155339.8DEE03A72@mprdmxin.myway.com> Jason, Let me know if you solve this. I'm having a similar problem. (dots displaying every minute or so) -Rob --- On Sun 02/13, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: From: Jason Waskiewicz [mailto: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:14:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP I am currently running Fedora Core 2. I've had some problems with it.Today I did a fresh install of the operating system. I then installedLTSP. It worked perfectly. All the thin clients loaded just the way theywere supposed to.I then downloaded the updates for Fedora. When I rebooted, the thinclients did not boot properly. They identified their IP address and thatof the server. They identified the kernel. Then, instead of rapidlyfilling the computer screen with dots like they're supposed to, theystarted displaying dots only every minute or so.Is there a problem with Fedora updates? Would I be better off notdownloading updates? Or, should I download LTSP after downloading myupdates?After this experience and experience with this in previous installs, I'mpretty sure I have a software problem, but that is as far as my reasoningtakes me.--Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu_______________________________________________K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://w! ww.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osnFor more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Mon Feb 14 16:09:15 2005 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (Dave Sokolowsky) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:09:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how's my formatting? In-Reply-To: <20050214152815.B1121393E@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050214152815.B1121393E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <4210CD2B.4070203@lucent.com> Rob Owens wrote: > > Guys, Somebody let me know last week that my emails looked kinda screwed > up (having to do w/ html settings). I'm trying some changes to my > settings, but I can't tell on my system if it's making any difference. > This should be a new paragraph. Then I'm going to skip 2 lines. Is my > formatting coming out correctly? I don't want to be a nuisance on this > list and if I can't get it right I'm going to switch to a different > free-email provider. Thanks -Rob --- On Mon 02/14, Rob Owens < I see it run together, as above. A bigger concern may be that you're sending not only html, but plain text as well, in the same message. I believe just plain text would be preferred. BTW - many people post both. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 17:22:09 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:22:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: References: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> <420A8A49.1000107@hosef.org> Message-ID: I visited with the folks at Win4Lin this last week, and they are willing to take any sofware that we say is critical for schools and get it configured and running for the email garden we're hosting at NECC 2005 in Philadelphia in June. Here's the list I compiled from this thread so far: Oregon Trail Reader Rabbit Jumpstart Math Kidspiration/Inspiration Accelerated Reader Carmen SanDeigo They would also like to "test case" a couple of schools that are currently using LTSP and want to run certain Windows apps. Let me know if you are interested. Pretty good opportunity... Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 17:36:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:36:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 2nd Try: Student Presentations at NECC 2005 / Volunteers Needed for K12LTSP Email Garden In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Still looking...) Paul Nelson has, in past years, taken a group of students to the National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) to help set up and maintain an "Email Garden" which demonstrates the use of K12LTSP. This year the conference is in Philadelphia from June 27 - 30, and Paul is not able to go. I have offered to bring the server and workstation hardware, but we are looking for a schoool that might want to have students prepare presentations to be given in a mini-classroom in the Email Garden, as well as come and help with setup, maintenance, and answering questions. The presentations would likely be demonstrations of Open Source programs used as a part of a K12LTSP installation, ranging from simple OpenOffice how-to's to the use of more complicated technologies, like MySQL and PHP. Typically, Paul has brought 4 - 8 students, who might have some of their expenses covered by NECC and/or other companies, but will likely need to raise their own travel funds (or have them provided by the school). He has had success in having the students prepare in advance, and then being selected to go based on that preparation. It seems to us that this would be most successful if there were a school on the East Coast where there is a committed teacher that we could work with on this. We have told NECC that we would let them know in two weeks if a school is interested in participating in this way so that they can try to make the right classroom space available for the teaching. If you are interested, please make contact with me directly. Thanks! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 14 18:12:40 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP CLI Message-ID: <20050214181240.1FDAD3A43@mprdmxin.myway.com> Changing the user's primary group *may* be just a matter of editing /etc/passwd -- but check around before taking my word for it because I'm not 100% sure. -Rob --- On Fri 02/11, < mark at msdigitaldzines.com > wrote: From: [mailto: mark at msdigitaldzines.com] To: K12OSN at redhat.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:25:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP CLI

Just a few questions, still playing with my sandbox, running Fedora Core 3.

These questions are based on using the CLI to administor user and groups

1. How do I change a users primary group?

2. How do set a login and logout time ?

3. How do I set up for users to change the default password at next-login?


Thanks

--Mark

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From missive at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 19:26:57 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:56:57 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] time stopped Message-ID: I was trying to set the time... [lee at loftern ~]$ date Mon Feb 14 14:11:57 EST 2005 [lee at loftern ~]$ su Password: [root at loftern lee]# date -s 14:20 Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# man date [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 [root at loftern lee]# date Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005 It's about 10 minutes later and we're up to about 14:20:05. What's going on here? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 14 19:26:09 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:26:09 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool "reflecting" ? Message-ID: <200502141826.j1EIQX005279@downeast.net> david: id really like to cross reference you r ldap script against mine...get the buggies out i did find one major glitch in Teach2 and x11vnc..the vncc via command is recognized in tightvnc but NOT in other vncservers..that bit me a couple times ..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 6:05 PM +0000 wrote: > >look in wiki.ltsp.org undre works in progress..here is revised > >Teach2,py.chuck > > Maybe we can 'work' on this at LinWorld? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robowens at myway.com Mon Feb 14 19:42:34 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] time stopped Message-ID: <20050214194234.479DD397F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Are you by any chance running ntpd? This is a daemon that is supposed to sync you up w/ time servers on the internet. If you set the wrong time manually, it may be that ntpd is slowing down your clock to sync you up to the correct time. -Rob --- On Mon 02/14, Lee Harr < missive at hotmail.com > wrote: From: Lee Harr [mailto: missive at hotmail.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:56:57 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] time stopped I was trying to set the time...

[lee at loftern ~]$ date
Mon Feb 14 14:11:57 EST 2005
[lee at loftern ~]$ su
Password:
[root at loftern lee]# date -s 14:20
Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# man date
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005
[root at loftern lee]# date
Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005


It's about 10 minutes later and we're up to about 14:20:05.

What's going on here?

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Feb 14 21:35:43 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:35:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] time stopped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421119AF.1070206@snet.net> Lee Harr wrote: > I was trying to set the time... > > [lee at loftern ~]$ date > Mon Feb 14 14:11:57 EST 2005 > [lee at loftern ~]$ su > Password: > [root at loftern lee]# date -s 14:20 > Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# man date > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 > [root at loftern lee]# date > Mon Feb 14 14:20:03 EST 2005 > > > It's about 10 minutes later and we're up to about 14:20:05. > > What's going on here? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > You have effectively created a time altering machine. The computer has slowed down actual time, or, conversely, you have sped up. Figures it would be done first on Linux, eh? Congratulations! If I come over, can you make me 21 again? tony From johnpcooper at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 22:31:37 2005 From: johnpcooper at yahoo.com (John Cooper) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:31:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP Message-ID: <20050214223137.57188.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > should I download LTSP after downloading myupdates? This seems the most likely solution so have a go. I run tripwire and samhain to list all the changed files after an update, but it is painful shifting through. This might show if it is a file being overwritten or a permission problem. John. ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 14 23:36:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:36:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050214155339.8DEE03A72@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050214155339.8DEE03A72@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1108424179.6343.214.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 09:53, Rob Owens wrote: > I then downloaded the updates for Fedora. When I rebooted, the thin > clients did not boot properly. They identified their IP address and > that > of the server. They identified the kernel. Then, instead of rapidly > filling the computer screen with dots like they're supposed to, they > started displaying dots only every minute or so. > > Is there a problem with Fedora updates? Would I be better off not > downloading updates? Or, should I download LTSP after downloading my > updates? I'm not sure why there would be much difference, but is there some reason for installing fedora/ltsp instead of the k12ltsp distribution which has both and its own update server? This sounds like a problem in either the tftp server or the firewall configuration. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Tue Feb 15 00:56:44 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:56:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Fedora updates and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050214170021.86322741DA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050214170021.86322741DA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <35210.10.130.156.8.1108429004.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Rob, I did a fresh install of Fedora. I have not yet installed the updates and removed the updater applet from all users (except mine and root). It has been going strong now for several days. It was suggested to me to run ltspconfig. I haven't been brave enough to try that. I'll wait until the weekend (so I have a chance to reinstall if I have a disaster). >From what I've seen so far, I think my problem was with a particular update. The regular ltspadmin won't let me change TFTP, so I'm waiting until I won't be handicapped by a bad experience. I hope this helps! I'm very new to this (but learning!). My principal and superintendent were both very excited, so I may get some converts here in North Dakota! --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu > Jason, > > Let me know if you solve this. I'm having a similar problem. (dots > displaying every minute or so) > > -Rob > > > > --- On Sun 02/13, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > From: Jason Waskiewicz [mailto: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:14:25 -0600 (CST) > Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora updates and LTSP > > I am currently running Fedora Core 2. I've had some problems with it.Today > I did a fresh install of the operating system. I then installedLTSP. It > worked perfectly. All the thin clients loaded just the way theywere > supposed to.I then downloaded the updates for Fedora. When I rebooted, the > thinclients did not boot properly. They identified their IP address and > thatof the server. They identified the kernel. Then, instead of > rapidlyfilling the computer screen with dots like they're supposed to, > theystarted displaying dots only every minute or so.Is there a problem > with Fedora updates? Would I be better off notdownloading updates? Or, > should I download LTSP after downloading myupdates?After this experience > and experience with this in previous installs, I'mpretty sure I have a > software problem, but that is as far as my reasoningtakes me.--Jason > Waskiewicz From robark at telus.net Tue Feb 15 05:06:02 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:06:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any plans to utilize FreeNX? Message-ID: <4211833A.1070400@telus.net> Not sure if this is feasible but I tried FreeNX with Knoppix 3.7 and it's FAST over 1.5Mbs DSL. Imagine how fast it would be over a lan. Does k12ltsp have any intentions to utilize this technology? Also, in reading the info on http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/intr-technology.php "Instead of layering X applications to adapt to available network resources, X client and X toolkit designers have relied on users giving up X-Window's networking capabilities to simply access applications running on their own computers. Over the last few years, the X-Window system has completely lost its original characteristics of network computing protocol, being perceived as a mere display driver even by the most informed and technological users." I did find this http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/freenx.html but there are no performance comparisons. Has anyone achieved better perfomance using FreeNX with k12ltsp? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 07:00:26 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:00:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050215070026.13473.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > I visited with the folks at Win4Lin this last week, > and they are > willing to take any sofware that we say is critical > for schools and > get it configured and running for the email garden > we're hosting at > NECC 2005 in Philadelphia in June. > > Here's the list I compiled from this thread so far: > > Oregon Trail > Reader Rabbit > Jumpstart Math > Kidspiration/Inspiration > Accelerated Reader > Carmen SanDeigo > > They would also like to "test case" a couple of > schools that are > currently using LTSP and want to run certain Windows > apps. Let me > know if you are interested. Pretty good > opportunity... > > Steve > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > steve. i'm interested for the sake of my school. i'm the guy that started this thread and i'm a classroom teacher. i know i could make my entire district (one prek-8 building) to switch over to Linux if i can get these apps running. and, of course, then other districts would be interested also and then maybe i could start a business helping other districts setup linux labs and running their windows educational software. that would be awesome! contact me off-list if you want or on-list. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 09:54:05 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:54:05 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] What is the latest smbldap-installer script and where can I get it Message-ID: <029801c51344$49488340$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I'm just about to start experimenting with installing the Samba3 & OpenLDAP on a Suse 9.1 box but I'd like to start with the latest smbldap-installer script. Could someone point me in the right direction. Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 12:30:11 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:30:11 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the difference between perl-Unicode-Map8 and MapUTF8 Message-ID: <033e01c5135a$17e1de30$65c8a8c0@brianwork> OK I've given up trying to customise the smbldap-installer script to work with Suse as it doesn't support things like `service smbd start` instead it uses rcsmbd start so I'm working my way through the HOWTo instead. One the Suse 9.1 cd's you get a perl-unicode-map8 rpm but not a mapUTF8 rpm, my question is do I need both, what would happen if I didn't have UTF8 ? what is the difference ? I can install it via CPAN but I'm try to keep everything off the CD's or a couple of downloads. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Feb 15 13:16:58 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:16:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: tftp In-Reply-To: <35210.10.130.156.8.1108429004.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> References: <20050214170021.86322741DA@hormel.redhat.com> <35210.10.130.156.8.1108429004.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: The only thing I had to do was get my xinetd file right. here it is (from /etc/xinetd.d/tftp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tftp Type: application/octet-stream Size: 521 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I_?= get it In-Reply-To: <029801c51344$49488340$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <029801c51344$49488340$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 4:54 AM +0000 wrote: >I'm just about to start experimenting with installing the Samba3 & >OpenLDAP >on a Suse 9.1 box but I'd like to start with the latest smbldap-installer >script. > >Could someone point me in the right direction. > >Thanks >Brian > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list Right now it's http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz Matt was testing the latest version...hopefully it'll be ready asap and we'll put it up on the regular servers. (the gamma is basically due to docs...and the /bin/false thing in the user creation script. If you use the user creations scripts...when prompted use /bin/bash instead of /bin/false The new one will default on /bin/bash David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 15 13:32:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:32:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: tftp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: please don't send posts to the list in html format...many...if not most...of us are using text only....html shows up as an attachment and is a pain in the a** to read. Thanks :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From nsinton at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 13:48:21 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:48:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] stateless clients Message-ID: <2b06a1a05021505488849487@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any expierence with these? We might be putting in approximately 150 of the caching clients at my school. http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/stateless-linux-HOWTO-en/index.html It looks lika a really simple concept that will make managing all those PC's a snap. -Nathan From missive at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 14:21:58 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:51:58 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: ntp is not running. (maybe it should be... but it should not be this bad) It is now the next day (18 hours later ...) [root at loftern etc]# date Mon Feb 14 16:20:25 EST 2005 So it has counted 2 hours in the last 18. In /var/log/messages I see this: Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Losing too many ticks! Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: TSC cannot be used as a timesource. Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Possible reasons for this are: Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: You're running with Speedstep, Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: You don't have DMA enabled for your hard disk (see hdparm), Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Incorrect TSC synchronization on an SMP system (see dmesg). Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Falling back to a sane timesource now. So, it knows something is wrong, but its idea of sanity is somehow not quite the same as mine. Any ideas on how to fix this? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Feb 15 15:26:10 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:26:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/dansguardian Message-ID: <32683922.1108481170973.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> Hi all, I have webmin installed on my k12ltsp server and have enabled squid. What are the steps for getting dansguardian working? Thanks! From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Tue Feb 15 16:02:55 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:02:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What is the latest smbldap-installer script and where can I get it? In-Reply-To: References: <029801c51344$49488340$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <20050215160255.GA6053@localhost.localdomain> > Right now it's http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz Matt was Close - delta instead of gamma. I've tested Windows profiles and local login suceesfully, but I haven't been able to test logging into a thin client, and I haven't tested after doing the updates. If anyone else can confirm that they've tested those things, we'll make 1.2-delta into the "official" 1.2 release. (There is a NEWS file in the tarball that explains all the changes to these different versions, BTW.) --matt From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Feb 15 16:14:21 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:14:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User Management Message-ID: <42121FDD.60203@honeygroveisd.net> Is there a way in a stock K12LTSP install to manage the times of day that a particular user can log onto the system? Say Bill can be logged on from 8:00 AM to 12:00 PM, and is logged off after that? Better yet, is there a way to set a time quota per day? Say, Jane can use any terminal she wants for 3 hours per day, but not necessarily concurrently After her 3-hour quota is used she can't log in again until the next day. I've seen this type of granular management in the Windows world. Does it exist in Linux? Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action. From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Feb 15 16:18:48 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:18:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Tries new pitch to curb LINUX use In-Reply-To: <20050214181240.1FDAD3A43@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200502151618.j1FGIsML010965@mx3.redhat.com> Story of interest - Microsoft tries to curb linux use. http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,99740,00. html?source=NLT_AM_B&nid=99740 Larry From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 15 18:01:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple NFS servers to 1 login server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42123916.2040200@maltzen.net> You can't mount multiple file systems under one mount point, so no, you can't do what you want. The usual way to handle this is to have an identifier in the path of each user's homedir, e.g., /home/group1/user1 for user1. In my company's case, we have users with home directories on different machines, and the machine name is part of the path to the user's home dir. That way, the machine name can be a mount point under /home/. But if your user paths aren't already setup that way, you'll have to change them, which could be a pain depending on the number of users. Petre Heath Henderson wrote: > Are there any docs or Howto's out there explaining the best way to setup > a system where we mount multiple NFS servers (home directories) to 1 > common server? > > Here is the situation. > > We have been asked to provide access from home to our user's home > directories. Well, I have been playing with ssh and managed to get out > portal server (the 1 common server in this case) to mount home > directories from 1 NFS server. It reads the LDAP server, gets the home > dir path and as an NFS client automounts the homedir. > BUT. I am using NFSv4 set to export /home. My auto.home on the common > server is set to read the NFS server with > ( school1:/home/& * -fstype=nfs4,rw,proto=tcp,port=2049 > 172.16.1.10:/& ) > > Can I add > school2:/home/& * -fstype=nfs4,rw,proto=tcp,port=2049 172.16.2.10:/& > > and just continue on finishing out to school15:/home/& ? > > Or, do I need to make entires in the auto.home which map to the speicfic > users home dir path including the server their home dir resides on? > > Any help would be welcomed. > > > Heath Henderson > Assistant Technology Administrator > McLean County Unit 5 Schools > Normal, IL 61761 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q > Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE > =BWZp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 15 18:10:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making K12LTSP "school friendly" In-Reply-To: References: <20050209181256.98335.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> <420A8A49.1000107@hosef.org> Message-ID: <42123B2E.5050201@maltzen.net> I'm running Win4Lin on my server for some Windows apps, and it works fine. However, with respect to the packages you listed, will the sound work on the client if they're run on top of Win4Lin? The apps I use don't need sound, so I've never tested that aspect of it; but for kids' stuff, I suspect sound will be crucial in some cases. Petre Steve Hargadon wrote: > I visited with the folks at Win4Lin this last week, and they are > willing to take any sofware that we say is critical for schools and > get it configured and running for the email garden we're hosting at > NECC 2005 in Philadelphia in June. > > Here's the list I compiled from this thread so far: > > Oregon Trail > Reader Rabbit > Jumpstart Math > Kidspiration/Inspiration > Accelerated Reader > Carmen SanDeigo > > They would also like to "test case" a couple of schools that are > currently using LTSP and want to run certain Windows apps. Let me > know if you are interested. Pretty good opportunity... > > Steve > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Feb 15 18:36:11 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:36:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: tftp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, my prefs are set to send in plain text. Of course adding the attachment instead of cut and paste probably messed things up, sorry. On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:32 AM, David Trask wrote: > please don't send posts to the list in html format...many...if not > most...of us are using text only....html shows up as an attachment and > is > a pain in the a** to read. Thanks :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkISQRwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQTRgCfXAETUZEA6iGc96oNv4xFF6Vh xRYAnjc4tAtWv17T+VlBVliooaXZmrM0 =q45+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 20:06:07 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:06:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Load Average- Message-ID: My k12ltsp server was showing a load average 22 with 10 users. There was practically zero disk activity and I only had 10 users out of a possible 40. I have never had need to worry about load, as we have slowly added clients to our server and monitored the speed as systems were added- all without troubles. Even with 40 users with Icewm -no nautalis, speed has not been an issue. Until now... Things have been really slow the last few days. Slow logon, slow OpenOffice startup, etc. This is when I took notice of the Load Average of 22... My system has 2gigs ram and is a twin mp 2.2. What sort of load average should I expect? From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Feb 15 20:31:08 2005 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:31:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Load Average- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: En Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:06:07 -0700, Jim Christiansen escribi?: > My k12ltsp server was showing a load average 22 with 10 users. There > was practically zero disk activity and I only had 10 users out of a > possible 40. I have never had need to worry about load, as we have > slowly added clients to our server and monitored the speed as systems > were added- all without troubles. Even with 40 users with Icewm -no > nautalis, speed has not been an issue. > > Until now... Things have been really slow the last few days. Slow > logon, slow OpenOffice startup, etc. This is when I took notice of the > Load Average of 22... My system has 2gigs ram and is a twin mp 2.2. > > What sort of load average should I expect? > Use "top" for showing what process or activity slows down you k12ltsp. What dos it show?. Mario Guerra From mpribik at zoznam.sk Tue Feb 15 16:34:08 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:34:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/dansguardian References: <32683922.1108481170973.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001001c5139e$6cc44610$0100a8c0@Marian> Hi, 1. Install also dansguardian 2. Install also, if you do not have, Apache web server /httpd/ 3. make start dansguardian, httpd 4. redirect your web browser to your proxy server port 3128. 5.if proxy work, redirect web browser to port 8080 /dansguardian/ 6. It should work.Check it on real web pages. 7. the other advanced work is activating more filters for user groups. have a luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Hatch" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/dansguardian > Hi all, > > I have webmin installed on my k12ltsp server and have enabled squid. What are the steps for getting dansguardian working? Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.998 (20050212) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 15 22:58:17 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:58:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] user-password problem Message-ID: <200502152257.j1FMvtHL010098@mx1.redhat.com> I have a k12tlsp Server using Samba-LDAP for authentication. I have it set up so when users first login they will need to change their password, this is my test server with a few user set-up, on the client machines I am running windows XP, the alert pops up when I log in and ask me to change my password, I attempt to but it replies with a message of I can not change my password at this time access denied. TO set up the LDAP server I ran the script provided by Matt and David- is there something I missed, or do I need to make changes to some directories or files, what file should I post so you can help me solve this problem? Thank you for your help --Mark Sarria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 23:00:45 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:00:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Load Average- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was running top. Also, I was running around like a chicken without it's head... I should have done a sort by cpu or mem but didn't. Do you know what an acceptable load average for 10 clients doing next to nothing is? Thanks, Jim >My k12ltsp server was showing a load average 22 with 10 users. >There was practically zero disk activity and I only had 10 users >out of a possible 40. I have never had need to worry about load, >as we have slowly added clients to our server and monitored the >speed as systems were added- all without troubles. Even with 40 >users with Icewm -no nautalis, speed has not been an issue. > >Until now... Things have been really slow the last few days. Slow >logon, slow OpenOffice startup, etc. This is when I took notice of >the Load Average of 22... My system has 2gigs ram and is a twin mp >2.2. > >What sort of load average should I expect? > Use "top" for showing what process or activity slows down you k12ltsp. What dos it show?. Mario Guerra From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Feb 15 23:02:56 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:02:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB-flashdrive ,how-to for clients? Message-ID: <001801c513b2$7db3a9c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi All, Ive read several posts about how to get pendrives/flashdrives to work on clients. I've never been able to get any of the "remedies",,to actually work on the thin clients. Is it possible to get pen drives setup..to be accssed with MTools From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Feb 15 23:11:26 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 15 Feb 2005 18:11:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108509086.3173.14.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:21, Lee Harr wrote: > ntp is not running. wouldn't hurt, I think > (maybe it should be... but it should not be this bad) > > It is now the next day (18 hours later ...) > > [root at loftern etc]# date > Mon Feb 14 16:20:25 EST 2005 > > So it has counted 2 hours in the last 18. > > In /var/log/messages I see this: > > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Losing too many ticks! > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: TSC cannot be used as a timesource. > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Possible reasons for this are: > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: You're running with Speedstep, > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: You don't have DMA enabled for your hard > disk (see hdparm), > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Incorrect TSC synchronization on an SMP > system (see dmesg). > Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Falling back to a sane timesource now. The usual culprit in this kind of problem is something that keeps the CPU occupied for long periods of time, keeping it from servicing timer interrupts. As the messages suggest, Speedstep, HD not using DMA, or improper SMP setup are possible causes. Other possible causes are hardware problems (i.e. stuck interrupt on some PCI card). Anything else seem broken on the machine? Any recent configuration changes? Have you tried rebooting to see if that clears it up? From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 16 01:04:35 2005 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:04:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Load Average- Message-ID: <1108515875.6711.7.camel@crux> On Tuesday 2/15 Jim Christiansen wrote: My k12ltsp server was showing a load average 22 with 10 users... ==================== Jim, I had the same problem last month. I noticed you said you were using IceWM -- take a look here and see if this applies to you: http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00687.html Eric's testing packages brought the load right down. HTH -- Pat -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Feb 16 01:35:05 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:35:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic log outs Message-ID: <4212A349.2080702@snarlnet.com> Hey People, Is there a way to automatically log out a certain user after a certain length of time? I have one user that's spending too much time on the computer, I'd like to log her out after 45 minutes and then not let her log in again for 24 hours. Is that possible? ck From missive at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 01:35:05 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:05:05 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: >>Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Losing too many ticks! >>Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: TSC cannot be used as a timesource. >The usual culprit in this kind of problem is something that keeps the >CPU occupied for long periods of time, keeping it from servicing timer >interrupts. As the messages suggest, Speedstep, HD not using DMA, or >improper SMP setup are possible causes. > >Other possible causes are hardware problems (i.e. stuck interrupt on >some PCI card). Anything else seem broken on the machine? Any recent >configuration changes? Have you tried rebooting to see if that clears it >up? > I rebooted a couple of times with no change. I shut off the power and booted up again, and now time is moving normally again. Thanks for your help. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 01:51:59 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:51:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link In-Reply-To: <420954BF.2000004@uindy.edu> References: <9bd3175605020812262846b3ff@mail.gmail.com> <1107907635.13743.26.camel@eriadne> <420954BF.2000004@uindy.edu> Message-ID: <9bd31756050215175173828db8@mail.gmail.com> So far, I have one vote for and one against using for purchasing a cisco 'etherchannel link' capable switch. Does anyone else want to chime in? Are there any other switch manufactures that do this kind of thing? (ie. gigabit channel bonding) Personally I'm leaning toward purchasing the catalyst 3750 24 port because if feel we need a gigabit backbone one way or another. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peter On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:09:35 -0500, Shawn Austin wrote: > We have used channel bonding with our IBM servers and cisco switches for > about 2 years now, and it has been more trouble than its worth. > We occasionally have strange packet loss that no one can account for, > and I have never noticed any true thru put advantages. > > If you decide to use it, make sure that you stress test the server under > heavy load and monitor for any packet loss. > > > Michael C Wescott wrote: > > >On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > > > >>Hey All, > >>Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if > >>anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the > >>switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. > >>Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of > >>following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? > >> > >> > > > >The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't > >know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a Catalyst > >6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation to the local > >Linux User's Group). > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > -- > Shawn Austin > > University of Indianapolis > Client Services > 788-3362 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 16 03:22:48 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:22:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050215175173828db8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605020812262846b3ff@mail.gmail.com> <1107907635.13743.26.camel@eriadne> <420954BF.2000004@uindy.edu> <9bd31756050215175173828db8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4212BC88.6020209@cmosnetworks.com> The name of the spec for this is "IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation Control Protocol." Cisco's EtherChannel is simply Cisco's implementation of IEEE 802.3ad. The Linux kernel's Channel Bonding is another. Since you're sold on a Gig-E backbone anyway (and I agree), I did some checking tonight, and Amer.com's SS3GR4i switch also is said to support IEEE 802.3ad, and it is considerably less money than a Catalyst 3750. They'll let you eval one free of charge for 45 days, so it's worth a look. --TP Ascension Tech wrote: >So far, I have one vote for and one against using for purchasing a >cisco 'etherchannel link' capable switch. Does anyone else want to >chime in? Are there any other switch manufactures that do this kind >of thing? (ie. gigabit channel bonding) Personally I'm leaning toward >purchasing the catalyst 3750 24 port because if feel we need a gigabit >backbone one way or another. Any input would be greatly >appreciated. > >Thank you, >Peter > > > > > >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:09:35 -0500, Shawn Austin wrote: > > >>We have used channel bonding with our IBM servers and cisco switches for >>about 2 years now, and it has been more trouble than its worth. >>We occasionally have strange packet loss that no one can account for, >>and I have never noticed any true thru put advantages. >> >>If you decide to use it, make sure that you stress test the server under >>heavy load and monitor for any packet loss. >> >> >>Michael C Wescott wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey All, >>>>Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if >>>>anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the >>>>switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. >>>>Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of >>>>following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't >>>know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a Catalyst >>>6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation to the local >>>Linux User's Group). >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Shawn Austin >> >>University of Indianapolis >>Client Services >>788-3362 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robark at telus.net Wed Feb 16 05:25:49 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:25:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Press Coverage! Message-ID: <4212D95D.4030507@telus.net> I gave an interviewed to CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) Radio One news today about my k12ltsp Linux lab. The reporter came by the school and was surprised by all the Free Open Source Software available on the system. She saw the lab full of students and thought it was great. I even gave her a Gnoppix (Ubuntu) live cd to take home. She was also really impressed by the speed of the system. She said the interview will be aired on Thursday morning. Either (5:30 and 7:30 am) OR (6:30 and 8:30 am) pacific time. However, if you don't live on the west coast of Canada. You can listen to it live on the net here http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html #23 is Vancouver. It's in Windows Media format but they do offer a link to an Mplayer plugin for Unix users. *Notice the little link to Ogg Vorbis streaming. They are testing Ogg Vorbis format but only for the east coast. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 16 14:05:53 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:05:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based flash/java educational stuff Message-ID: <42135341.9090400@inlandlakes.org> I feel like a heel asking a question, when I literally have 1600 unread messages in my k12osn folder, BUT I hope someone can help. Would you be willing to send (either on list or off) web sites your teachers use for web based learning? Especially younger kids, but at any level? I really am trying to push web-based bells and whistles, showing the power of the internet and the thin clients, rather than to dwell on "what software we can't use anymore" Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 14:04:34 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:04:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stateless Linux Clients Message-ID: <2b06a1a050216060476245205@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any expierence with these? We might be putting in approximately 150 of the caching clients at my school. http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/stateless-linux-HOWTO-en/index.html It looks lika a really simple concept that will make managing all those PC's a snap. -Nathan From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Feb 16 14:48:32 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 16 Feb 2005 22:48:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based flash/java educational stuff In-Reply-To: <42135341.9090400@inlandlakes.org> References: <42135341.9090400@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1108565315.1007.132.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 22:05, Shawn Powers wrote: > I feel like a heel asking a question, when I literally have 1600 unread > messages in my k12osn folder, BUT I hope someone can help. And, I _really_ feel like a heel having the temerity to proffer an answer considering I'm now where near the frontline of a K12LTSP network - let alone teaching ;^) -snip- > I really am trying to push web-based bells and whistles, showing the > power of the internet and the thin clients, rather than to dwell on > "what software we can't use anymore" What I can offer you, gleaned from other posters on this list, is that you may have major stumbling blocks with some (otherwise) desirable web-based learning sites because they insist on having made them compliant with IExplorer only. Some posters have asked recently about running IE on Linux just to get over this problem - and then there is always the hoary old issue of Flash/Shockwave/Sound, which is common on lot of these types of sites. Sooo, rather than just be completely negative, I'll leave it to those with _actual_ experience to advise whether what you want is feasible :^) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From missive at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 15:18:16 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:48:16 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: >From dmesg... Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. [* ~150] Losing too many ticks! TSC cannot be used as a timesource. Possible reasons for this are: You're running with Speedstep, You don't have DMA enabled for your hard disk (see hdparm), Incorrect TSC synchronization on an SMP system (see dmesg). Falling back to a sane timesource now. Checked again this morning, and it looks like there is still a problem with the clock. Looks like dma is enabled. # hdparm /dev/hda1 /dev/hda1: multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 106896384, start = 63 It is not a mobile system, so I don't think it is SpeedStep It is not a SMP system, but I think the default is to use a SMP kernel, right? Trying to debug this by remote control, and I can't actually remember. Should I try the non-SMP kernel? I also see this: atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed. Maybe a faulty keyboard creating an interrupt storm? I can try a new keyboard next time I go over there... Any other ideas? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Feb 16 15:40:00 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:40:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: <20050216.GHQ.34108300@192.168.10.16> I can't recall if you posted the setup of your server or not... but, if you are using a KVM switch I would suggest hooking up a keyboard directly to the server, or a different keyboard. What kernel are you using? Have you tried a custom kernel? Lee Harr (missive at hotmail.com) wrote: > > Should I try the non-SMP kernel? > > I also see this: > atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed. > > Maybe a faulty keyboard creating an interrupt storm? I can try a new > keyboard next time I go over there... > > Any other ideas? -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. 406.491.3378 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Feb 16 15:20:08 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:20:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Etherchannel link Message-ID: <3E317DC2-802E-11D9-8430-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Peter wrote: > Are there any other switch manufactures that do this kind > of thing? (ie. gigabit channel bonding) I believe that Nortel also sells switches that support that option. Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From clay at bridgeportisd.net Wed Feb 16 16:32:19 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:32:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADB66@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> I know HP Procurves offer bonding of slower links. I don't have any GB switches to tell you 100% that they offer the same in GB links. I would go out on a limb and say they do. Not to mention, HP switches are much le$$ than Cisco and HP Procurve lines come with lifetime warranty. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud?, Jr." Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:23 PM To: Ascension Tech; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link The name of the spec for this is "IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation Control Protocol." Cisco's EtherChannel is simply Cisco's implementation of IEEE 802.3ad. The Linux kernel's Channel Bonding is another. Since you're sold on a Gig-E backbone anyway (and I agree), I did some checking tonight, and Amer.com's SS3GR4i switch also is said to support IEEE 802.3ad, and it is considerably less money than a Catalyst 3750. They'll let you eval one free of charge for 45 days, so it's worth a look. --TP Ascension Tech wrote: >So far, I have one vote for and one against using for purchasing a >cisco 'etherchannel link' capable switch. Does anyone else want to >chime in? Are there any other switch manufactures that do this kind of >thing? (ie. gigabit channel bonding) Personally I'm leaning toward >purchasing the catalyst 3750 24 port because if feel we need a gigabit >backbone one way or another. Any input would be greatly >appreciated. > >Thank you, >Peter > > > > > >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:09:35 -0500, Shawn Austin wrote: > > >>We have used channel bonding with our IBM servers and cisco switches >>for about 2 years now, and it has been more trouble than its worth. >>We occasionally have strange packet loss that no one can account for, >>and I have never noticed any true thru put advantages. >> >>If you decide to use it, make sure that you stress test the server >>under heavy load and monitor for any packet loss. >> >> >>Michael C Wescott wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey All, >>>>Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if >>>>anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the >>>>switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. >>>>Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of >>>>following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't >>>know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a >>>Catalyst 6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation >>>to the local Linux User's Group). >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Shawn Austin >> >>University of Indianapolis >>Client Services >>788-3362 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 16 19:26:34 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help Message-ID: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps someone else knows: Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for web access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it involved touching every computer. Ugh. Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while using a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten identd to authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. Apparently the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in transparent proxy mode. Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the same computer... Has anyone done: 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Feb 16 19:49:33 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:49:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help In-Reply-To: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> References: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4213A3CD.5050509@paasda.org> there is some documentation on Dansguardian's site I believe... --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps > someone else knows: > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for > web access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it > involved touching every computer. Ugh. > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while > using a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten > identd to authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. > Apparently the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in > transparent proxy mode. > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the > same computer... > > Has anyone done: > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Feb 16 19:51:37 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:51:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help In-Reply-To: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> References: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1108583497.3415.8.camel@penguin> Though expensive, the iPrism from St. Bernard is a nice solution. I could help you getting it working in conjunction with an OpenLDAP server. It is easy and does not require individual machine changes. We use it on our student network where students bring in their own machines. You can only get around it with a tunnel. I'm not aware of any solutions that are able to resolve that issue. JSR/ On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:26 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps > someone else knows: > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for web > access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it involved > touching every computer. Ugh. > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while using > a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten identd to > authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. Apparently > the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in transparent proxy > mode. > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the > same computer... > > Has anyone done: > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 20:25:33 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:25:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help In-Reply-To: <1108583497.3415.8.camel@penguin> References: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> <1108583497.3415.8.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <4892876105021612255cac08d5@mail.gmail.com> We just replaced Iprism with squidguard. It got too expensive, plus iprism is really just squid running on freebsd. I cracked open the hood and looked into it. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:51:37 -0500, Ritchie, Josiah wrote: > > > Though expensive, the iPrism from St. Bernard is a nice solution. I > could help you getting it working in conjunction with an OpenLDAP > server. It is easy and does not require individual machine changes. We > use it on our student network where students bring in their own > machines. You can only get around it with a tunnel. I'm not aware of any > solutions that are able to resolve that issue. > > JSR/ > > On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:26 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps > > someone else knows: > > > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for web > > access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it involved > > touching every computer. Ugh. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while using > > a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten identd to > > authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. Apparently > > the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in transparent proxy > > mode. > > > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP > > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the > > same computer... > > > > Has anyone done: > > > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > -Shawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From missive at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 20:33:21 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:03:21 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: >>Should I try the non-SMP kernel? >> >>I also see this: >>atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed. >> >>Maybe a faulty keyboard creating an interrupt storm? I can try a new >>keyboard next time I go over there... >> >I can't recall if you posted the setup of your server or not... but, if you >are using a KVM switch I would suggest hooking up a keyboard directly to >the >server, or a different keyboard. > >What kernel are you using? Have you tried a custom kernel? > It is a p4 desktop system, using K12LTSP 4.2 installed with all the defaults -- K12 Terminal Server option in the installer. No KVM. The default kernel is the SMP kernel, so next time I go over there I will try booting the other one, and I will bring another keyboard. I am actually thinking it may be the 2nd nic causing the problem. It is a pcnet32 which I have never been able to use with FreeBSD, so when it worked on Linux I was pretty happy. That is my next trade-out if the keyboard and kernel change make no difference. Thanks for your time. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 21:22:26 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:22:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Load Average- Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Excellent- That did it! Thanks a ton, Jim I had the same problem last month. I noticed you said you were using IceWM -- take a look here and see if this applies to you: From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Feb 16 22:00:59 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (jrichie@bible.edu) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:00:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help In-Reply-To: <4892876105021612255cac08d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> <1108583497.3415.8.camel@penguin> <4892876105021612255cac08d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1108591259.15769.1.camel@penguin> Yeah, but don't they have their own list of sites? I'm paying for the subscription mostly. I cracked open the old one we recently replace and have been playing with the idea of making it an OpenVPN box. JSR/ On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:25 -0600, Adam Melancon wrote: > We just replaced Iprism with squidguard. It got too expensive, plus > iprism is really just squid running on freebsd. I cracked open the > hood and looked into it. > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:51:37 -0500, Ritchie, Josiah wrote: > > > > > > Though expensive, the iPrism from St. Bernard is a nice solution. I > > could help you getting it working in conjunction with an OpenLDAP > > server. It is easy and does not require individual machine changes. We > > use it on our student network where students bring in their own > > machines. You can only get around it with a tunnel. I'm not aware of any > > solutions that are able to resolve that issue. > > > > JSR/ > > > > On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:26 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps > > > someone else knows: > > > > > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for web > > > access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it involved > > > touching every computer. Ugh. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while using > > > a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten identd to > > > authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. Apparently > > > the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in transparent proxy > > > mode. > > > > > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP > > > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > > > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the > > > same computer... > > > > > > Has anyone done: > > > > > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > > > > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > > > > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 22:05:16 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:05:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Web based flash/java educational stuff In-Reply-To: <42135341.9090400@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050216220516.8320.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A place my school uses is www.ctw.org. Sesame Street (Children's Television Workshop) is the most popular thing in education media, IMHO. ctw.org is geard for younger kids and has a lot of games in flash. Also they have sound so make sure it's working. Chris --- Shawn Powers wrote: > I feel like a heel asking a question, when I > literally have 1600 unread > messages in my k12osn folder, BUT I hope someone can > help. > > Would you be willing to send (either on list or off) > web sites your > teachers use for web based learning? Especially > younger kids, but at > any level? > > I really am trying to push web-based bells and > whistles, showing the > power of the internet and the thin clients, rather > than to dwell on > "what software we can't use anymore" > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > -- reasons>-- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Feb 16 22:51:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:51:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based flash/java educational stuff In-Reply-To: <20050216220516.8320.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050216220516.8320.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some we use (not all are free) starfall.com brainpop.com enchantedlearning.com actually...go to my school web site at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us and click "Web Sites for Fun and Learning" I hope folks will post others to this list as I'm always looking for new sites.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From clay at bridgeportisd.net Wed Feb 16 23:38:36 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:38:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADB83@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> I've already modified my iPrism along with other neighboring districts "older" iprism boxes to put OpenBSD with PF to create firewalls and routers. Of course, the 64MB flashdisk was not big enough so I had to cut a hole in the top of the case and mount a 3.5" HDD (wanted to not spend money). Set up serial console and been running like a champ. I would think you could do many things such as openvpn. Clay -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jrichie at bible.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:01 PM To: Adam Melancon; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Proxy Help Yeah, but don't they have their own list of sites? I'm paying for the subscription mostly. I cracked open the old one we recently replace and have been playing with the idea of making it an OpenVPN box. JSR/ On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:25 -0600, Adam Melancon wrote: > We just replaced Iprism with squidguard. It got too expensive, plus > iprism is really just squid running on freebsd. I cracked open the > hood and looked into it. > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:51:37 -0500, Ritchie, Josiah wrote: > > > > > > Though expensive, the iPrism from St. Bernard is a nice solution. I > > could help you getting it working in conjunction with an OpenLDAP > > server. It is easy and does not require individual machine changes. > > We use it on our student network where students bring in their own > > machines. You can only get around it with a tunnel. I'm not aware of > > any solutions that are able to resolve that issue. > > > > JSR/ > > > > On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:26 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but > > perhaps > someone else knows: > > > > > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying > > for web > access in our district. I've done this in years past, > > but it involved > touching every computer. Ugh. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while > > using > a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* > > gotten identd to > authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info > > by hand. Apparently > the identd requests aren't formed correctly > > to work in transparent proxy > mode. > > > > > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my > > LTSP > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > > > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on > > the > same computer... > > > > > > Has anyone done: > > > > > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > > > > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > > > > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 16 23:54:55 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 16 Feb 2005 18:54:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108598095.4250.4.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 20:35, Lee Harr wrote: > >>Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: Losing too many ticks! > >>Feb 14 16:20:22 loftern kernel: TSC cannot be used as a timesource. > > >The usual culprit in this kind of problem is something that keeps the > >CPU occupied for long periods of time, keeping it from servicing timer > >interrupts. As the messages suggest, Speedstep, HD not using DMA, or > >improper SMP setup are possible causes. > > > >Other possible causes are hardware problems (i.e. stuck interrupt on > >some PCI card). Anything else seem broken on the machine? Any recent > >configuration changes? Have you tried rebooting to see if that clears it > >up? > > > > > I rebooted a couple of times with no change. > > I shut off the power and booted up again, and now time > is moving normally again. That means it's likely a hardware glitch flooding the machine with interrupts. Are there any cards in the machine you're not using or with dangling cables? Sometimes a cable that goew nowhere can act like an antenna and dump electrical noise into the system. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Feb 17 00:18:35 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:18:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice "broken" after update to 1.1.3-5.5.0 Message-ID: <54115.199.216.98.50.1108599515.squirrel@199.216.98.50> I did a yum update and one of the packages the updated was the OpenOffice.org suite. Now when opening OpenOffice with one of the supplied icons in the task bar or menus, OpenOffice will not open with a new document ready to go. It will open with only a menu list at the top of the screen ... quite inconvienient for students. How do I either rollback to 1.1.3-2.5 or fix the new document issue? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 00:34:55 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:34:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link In-Reply-To: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADB66@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> References: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4013ADB66@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Message-ID: <9bd3175605021616343407902b@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried the Nortel 3510-24T? It looks similar to the cisco catalyst 3750 but for WAY less. Thanks y'all Peter On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:32:19 -0600, Walker, Clay wrote: > I know HP Procurves offer bonding of slower links. I don't have any GB switches to tell you 100% that they offer the same in GB links. I would go out on a limb and say they do. Not to mention, HP switches are much le$$ than Cisco and HP Procurve lines come with lifetime warranty. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:23 PM > To: Ascension Tech; Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Etherchannel link > > The name of the spec for this is "IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation Control Protocol." Cisco's EtherChannel is simply Cisco's implementation of IEEE 802.3ad. The Linux kernel's Channel Bonding is another. > > Since you're sold on a Gig-E backbone anyway (and I agree), I did some checking tonight, and Amer.com's SS3GR4i switch also is said to support IEEE 802.3ad, and it is considerably less money than a Catalyst 3750. > They'll let you eval one free of charge for 45 days, so it's worth a look. > > --TP > > Ascension Tech wrote: > > >So far, I have one vote for and one against using for purchasing a > >cisco 'etherchannel link' capable switch. Does anyone else want to > >chime in? Are there any other switch manufactures that do this kind of > >thing? (ie. gigabit channel bonding) Personally I'm leaning toward > >purchasing the catalyst 3750 24 port because if feel we need a gigabit > >backbone one way or another. Any input would be greatly > >appreciated. > > > >Thank you, > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:09:35 -0500, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > >>We have used channel bonding with our IBM servers and cisco switches > >>for about 2 years now, and it has been more trouble than its worth. > >>We occasionally have strange packet loss that no one can account for, > >>and I have never noticed any true thru put advantages. > >> > >>If you decide to use it, make sure that you stress test the server > >>under heavy load and monitor for any packet loss. > >> > >> > >>Michael C Wescott wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 15:26, Ascension Tech wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hey All, > >>>>Were about to upgrade some network equipment and I was wondering if > >>>>anyone has experience using Cisco's "etherchannel link" between the > >>>>switch and LTSP server. We are thinking of getting a catalyst 3750. > >>>>Can anyone share their experiences? Server side, is it a matter of > >>>>following the instructions for channel bonding on the wiki? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>The bonding protocol is compatible with Cisco's Etherchannel. I don't > >>>know about the 3750 in particular since I played around with a > >>>Catalyst 6000 when I was looking at it (preparing for a presentation > >>>to the local Linux User's Group). > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Shawn Austin > >> > >>University of Indianapolis > >>Client Services > >>788-3362 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Thu Feb 17 01:34:41 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:34:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp Message-ID: <20050217013441.20D6C39AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> I need to clarify a few things to help me in my troubleshooting. In /etc/dhcpd.conf: 1) option root-path this should be ":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am using i386 machines) 2) filename this should be something like "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? tftp: 3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in /tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s /tftpboot) 4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 directory. I think this is only used for PXE booting, is that right? 5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be placed somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my terminal is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else is happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm trying to figure out why. As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it looks like I'm the one being tested... -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 02:35:22 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] the Macromedia Shockwave player petition In-Reply-To: <20050217023423.60303.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050217023522.14586.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> --- richard ingalls wrote: > have you signed this? i have. i hope everyone on > the > list has or will soon. shockwave-based sites have > been a real problem (since they don't work!) in my > linux labs. would be good to include the link, no? http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html now, go for it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 17 04:02:58 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:02:58 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200502170303.j1H333c07733@downeast.net> probablt you figgered it out but...the clamshell at the booth? want me to take it home and send it to you??chuck > > cool..i have commitments here tonight..leving crack o dawn Tuesday morning > > and ll see you there..I am staying at Lenox as well so maybe we can > > find a place to hack some stuff.chuck > > See you tomorrow at the booth. > > uck-- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > ___________________________________________ ____ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 10:38:40 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:38:40 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help References: <42139E6A.1050700@inlandlakes.org> <1108583497.3415.8.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <01e901c514dc$d8cb7420$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Re: [K12OSN] Proxy HelpHow about using something like Censornet (www.censornet.com) we use it for all our clients and the amount on mamagment it gives you is amazing. Also NO COST it's based around Debian and will authenticate against Samba with no problems. The only bit we pay for is the Blacklist Update but at ?100 a year that's a small price to pay. If you'd like more info feel free to mail me off list. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ----- Original Message ----- From: Ritchie, Josiah To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Proxy Help Though expensive, the iPrism from St. Bernard is a nice solution. I could help you getting it working in conjunction with an OpenLDAP server. It is easy and does not require individual machine changes. We use it on our student network where students bring in their own machines. You can only get around it with a tunnel. I'm not aware of any solutions that are able to resolve that issue. JSR/ On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:26 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Unfortunately, I can't think of a *nice* way to do this, but perhaps > someone else knows: > > Due to recent abuse, I need to switch to authenticated proxying for web > access in our district. I've done this in years past, but it involved > touching every computer. Ugh. > > Does anyone have any ideas regarding tracking user web use, while using > a transparent proxy? I'm open for any idea. I *have* gotten identd to > authenticate, but ONLY if I enter the proxy info by hand. Apparently > the identd requests aren't formed correctly to work in transparent proxy > mode. > > Anyway, anyone have any ideas? What do you do? Especially on my LTSP > servers, I'm not sure how to update everyone to use the proxy... > Tracking by IP is not a help there either, because everyone is on the > same computer... > > Has anyone done: > > 1) Web portal type authentication? Does it work? Does it break things? > > 2) Forced proxy prefs in firefox on LTSP? If so, HOW?!?! > > 3) Any ideas for user tracking would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 17 13:42:59 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:42:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050217013441.20D6C39AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050217013441.20D6C39AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <42149F63.1000906@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: >I need to clarify a few things to help me in my troubleshooting. > >In /etc/dhcpd.conf: > >1) option root-path this should be ":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am using i386 machines) > >2) filename this should be something like "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? > >tftp: > >3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in /tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s /tftpboot) > >4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 directory. I think this is only used for PXE booting, is that right? > >5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be placed somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? > >cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my terminal is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else is happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm trying to figure out why. > >As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it looks like I'm the one being tested... > >-Rob > > > > What does your client box say? Where, precisely, does it stop booting? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From pjdavison at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 13:45:05 2005 From: pjdavison at gmail.com (Phil Davison) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:45:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client boot problem Message-ID: <970af85905021705458c4d93f@mail.gmail.com> I've setup our server to run dhcp off of port 67. When a client boots using PXE it starts to connect to the server, but then locks up with the error message: Running dhcpcd on port 67 ERROR! No root-path. Check your DCP configuration, to make sure that the 'option root-path' is specified Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init" <3>e100: eth0 NIC link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex The caps lock and scroll lock lights flash on the keyboard as this happens. Thanks From nsinton at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 13:59:13 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:59:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Client boot problem In-Reply-To: <970af85905021705458c4d93f@mail.gmail.com> References: <970af85905021705458c4d93f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0502170559fceae2e@mail.gmail.com> check your /etc/exports and make sure that your subnet is allowed to access the NFS shares on the server On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:45:05 -0500, Phil Davison wrote: > I've setup our server to run dhcp off of port 67. When a client boots > using PXE it starts to connect to the server, but then locks up with > the error message: > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > ERROR! No root-path. Check your DCP configuration, to make sure that > the 'option root-path' is specified > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init" > <3>e100: eth0 NIC link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex > > The caps lock and scroll lock lights flash on the keyboard as this happens. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 14:23:43 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:43 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB-flashdrive ,how-to for clients? Message-ID: <021720051423.2703.4214A8EE000F35C300000A8F22058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Barry, There still seems to be a bug in mtools that doesn't allow you to have both usb and the local floppy supported at the same time via running two floppyd sessions. On the ltsp.org wiki site, there is a description of a way to get local devices working with Konqueror support. I have it working with FC2. It is 'beta' though (and doesn't seem to work with gnome/nautilus). It has a few quirks of it own as well. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- Hi All, Ive read several posts about how to get pendrives/flashdrives to work on clients. I've never been able to get any of the "remedies",,to actually work on the thin clients. Is it possible to get pen drives setup..to be accssed with MTools -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Barry R Cisna" Subject: [K12OSN] USB-flashdrive ,how-to for clients? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:03:03 +0000 Size: 693 URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 14:45:18 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:45:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <42149F63.1000906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050217144518.81362.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> (I'm sending this from a new email address because of the formatting issues I've had with my old one.) I don't have the box in front of me right now, but it said something like "Searching for DHCP server" and then I got a dot on the screen every 30 seconds or so. I checked the server's logs and it looks like an IP address was offered to the client, but I see no action out of tftpd or xinetd (which calls tftpd on my system). -Rob --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > >I need to clarify a few things to help me in my > troubleshooting. > > > >In /etc/dhcpd.conf: > > > >1) option root-path this should be > ":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am > using i386 machines) > > > >2) filename this should be something like > "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? > > > >tftp: > > > >3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in > /tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s > /tftpboot) > > > >4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 > directory. I think this is only used for PXE > booting, is that right? > > > >5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be placed > somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? > > > >cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my terminal > is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else is > happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm > trying to figure out why. > > > >As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default > K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of > hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an > already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it > looks like I'm the one being tested... > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > > > > What does your client box say? Where, precisely, > does it stop booting? > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source > Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From olivos at markham.edu.pe Thu Feb 17 09:51:32 2005 From: olivos at markham.edu.pe (Omar Jesus Olivos) Date: Thu, Feb 17 2005 9:51:32 GMT-0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux in schools - Curriculum Message-ID: <200502171451.JAA04749@mail.markham.edu.pe> I am interested in introducing linux at my school but would like to hear experiences from schools using it. Not from the technical point of view but from the academic side. I am interested in the curriculum (ICT-syllabus) and the integration with other subject areas. Thanks, Omar Olivos Head of IT From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 17 14:56:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:56:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice "broken" after update to 1.1.3-5.5.0 In-Reply-To: <54115.199.216.98.50.1108599515.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <54115.199.216.98.50.1108599515.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <4214B096.4030601@maltzen.net> It sounds like whatever is starting OOo is calling soffice rather than swriter, assuming you want it to start the word processing module (or ooffice instead of oowriter). The icons/menu items for starting OOo tend to point to oowriter, which ultimately is just a symlink to swriter. Trace it through and I think you'll find your answer. Petre Joe Guenther wrote: > I did a yum update and one of the packages the updated was the > OpenOffice.org suite. > > Now when opening OpenOffice with one of the supplied icons in the task bar > or menus, OpenOffice will not open with a new document ready to go. It > will open with only a menu list at the top of the screen ... quite > inconvienient for students. How do I either rollback to 1.1.3-2.5 or fix > the new document issue? > > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us Thu Feb 17 14:56:52 2005 From: Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us (Greg Thoyre) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux in schools - Curriculum Message-ID: <4EA4619FAF476A458251D2BF640192EF94DFFB@OCSMAIL.orange.k12.nc.us> I am teaching a class on Linux aiming toward the Linux+ certification level of knowledge. So far, it has been fairly successful. The students seem to enjoy it, and they seem to be building a working knowledge of Linux use. Our state, North Carolina, adopted the curriculum blueprint I developed, so it should be on-line somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Omar Jesus Olivos Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:52 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Linux in schools - Curriculum I am interested in introducing linux at my school but would like to hear experiences from schools using it. Not from the technical point of view but from the academic side. I am interested in the curriculum (ICT-syllabus) and the integration with other subject areas. Thanks, Omar Olivos Head of IT _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Feb 17 15:00:46 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:00:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050217144518.81362.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050217144518.81362.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4214B19E.8010804@msln.net> Sorry if I missed it, But are you using a bootable NIC or a Boot disk? Rob Owens wrote: >(I'm sending this from a new email address because of >the formatting issues I've had with my old one.) > >I don't have the box in front of me right now, but it >said something like "Searching for DHCP server" and >then I got a dot on the screen every 30 seconds or so. > >I checked the server's logs and it looks like an IP >address was offered to the client, but I see no action >out of tftpd or xinetd (which calls tftpd on my >system). > >-Rob > >--- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >wrote: > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >> >>>I need to clarify a few things to help me in my >>> >>> >>troubleshooting. >> >> >>>In /etc/dhcpd.conf: >>> >>>1) option root-path this should be >>> >>> >>":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am >>using i386 machines) >> >> >>>2) filename this should be something like >>> >>> >>"/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? >> >> >>>tftp: >>> >>>3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in >>> >>> >>/tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s >>/tftpboot) >> >> >>>4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 >>> >>> >>directory. I think this is only used for PXE >>booting, is that right? >> >> >>>5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be placed >>> >>> >>somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? >> >> >>>cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my terminal >>> >>> >>is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else is >>happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm >>trying to figure out why. >> >> >>>As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default >>> >>> >>K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of >>hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an >>already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it >>looks like I'm the one being tested... >> >> >>>-Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>What does your client box say? Where, precisely, >>does it stop booting? >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >>Do you GNU!? >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source >>Software (FOSS). Check it >>out! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From barry at yellowdog.com Thu Feb 17 15:06:05 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:06:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help Message-ID: <4214B2DD.8030005@yellowdog.com> Hi, I'm not certain IPCop will handle the transparent proxy authentications because I've not tested it that way. It will, with addons, handle the filtering and authentication like a champ. This is a big deal for us because we used to build our proxy servers by hand. We had to install linux then compile squid by hand in order to get the proper authentication to ldap (edirectory). Then we would add squidGuard and a firewall. This would take hours. The first one we did took days... The new IPCop makes this really painless. We can install and configure a firewall in about 30 or 40 minutes and edit our configuration through the IPCop web interface. It is a beautiful solution. Get IPCop from: www.ipcop.org Get the URL Filter addon: http://www.urlfilter.net/ Get the Advanced Proxy for authentication: http://www.advproxy.net/ The url filter and advanced proxy have a painless install (with a script) and very good documentation. We've got 3 of them in production right now. As they say on the beer commercial: "Brilliant!" Barry Solof County of Cumberland From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 15:17:06 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:17:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <4214B19E.8010804@msln.net> Message-ID: <20050217151706.98282.qmail@web90101.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Using a boot disk. Originally I used one specifically for my NIC, but now I'm using a universal one, which does seem to recognize my NIC correctly. -Rob --- Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Sorry if I missed it, But are you using a bootable > NIC or a Boot disk? > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >(I'm sending this from a new email address because > of > >the formatting issues I've had with my old one.) > > > >I don't have the box in front of me right now, but > it > >said something like "Searching for DHCP server" and > >then I got a dot on the screen every 30 seconds or > so. > > > >I checked the server's logs and it looks like an IP > >address was offered to the client, but I see no > action > >out of tftpd or xinetd (which calls tftpd on my > >system). > > > >-Rob > > > >--- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I need to clarify a few things to help me in my > >>> > >>> > >>troubleshooting. > >> > >> > >>>In /etc/dhcpd.conf: > >>> > >>>1) option root-path this should be > >>> > >>> > >>":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am > >>using i386 machines) > >> > >> > >>>2) filename this should be something like > >>> > >>> > >>"/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? > >> > >> > >>>tftp: > >>> > >>>3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in > >>> > >>> > >>/tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s > >>/tftpboot) > >> > >> > >>>4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 > >>> > >>> > >>directory. I think this is only used for PXE > >>booting, is that right? > >> > >> > >>>5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be > placed > >>> > >>> > >>somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? > >> > >> > >>>cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my > terminal > >>> > >>> > >>is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else > is > >>happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm > >>trying to figure out why. > >> > >> > >>>As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default > >>> > >>> > >>K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of > >>hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an > >>already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it > >>looks like I'm the one being tested... > >> > >> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>What does your client box say? Where, precisely, > >>does it stop booting? > >> > >>--TP > >>_____________________ > >>Do you GNU!? > >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source > >>Software (FOSS). Check it > >>out! > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced > search. Learn more. > >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 15:24:29 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:24:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy Help In-Reply-To: <4214B2DD.8030005@yellowdog.com> References: <4214B2DD.8030005@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <489287610502170724672e426e@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience with "SafeSquid"? Maybe it might do what he needs. http://www.safesquid.com/html/index.shtml On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:06:05 -0500, Barry Solof wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not certain IPCop will handle the transparent proxy authentications > because I've not tested it that way. It will, with addons, handle the > filtering and authentication like a champ. > > This is a big deal for us because we used to build our proxy servers by > hand. We had to install linux then compile squid by hand in order to > get the proper authentication to ldap (edirectory). Then we would add > squidGuard and a firewall. This would take hours. The first one we did > took days... > > The new IPCop makes this really painless. We can install and configure > a firewall in about 30 or 40 minutes and edit our configuration through > the IPCop web interface. It is a beautiful solution. > > Get IPCop from: www.ipcop.org > Get the URL Filter addon: http://www.urlfilter.net/ > Get the Advanced Proxy for authentication: http://www.advproxy.net/ > > The url filter and advanced proxy have a painless install (with a > script) and very good documentation. We've got 3 of them in production > right now. > > As they say on the beer commercial: "Brilliant!" > > Barry Solof > County of Cumberland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Feb 17 15:27:42 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way to block spyware with content filter? Message-ID: <7778D3DE-80F8-11D9-979B-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey y'all, I had this idea. I don't know if it would work, but I don't know why it wouldn't. And if it does, it could eliminate a lot of the time you have to spend removing ad/spyware. Spybot Search and Destroy has an immunize feature that when activated says it is blocking some number of bad websites silently in IE. My idea was to look through the spybot files to see if I could find this blacklist. Then add those URL's to our content filter's blacklist. That way everyone in the school district is "immunized" without a tech having to install Spybot S+D on every Windows PC. I keep blowing the Linux horn, but we still have a lot of Windows machines. I'm not in charge of the content filter, so I can't test this. The guy who is in charge thought it should work, but hasn't had time to put in the list I sent him. If anyone wants to give it a try, the lists are available here: http://www8.chatham.k12.nc.us/schwankl/blacklists/index.html The Company URL list may block some sites just because they use tracking cookies. You may want to remove those (like excite.com) The Product URL list is probably more specifically dialers, hijackers, and adware/spyware. What do people think? Will it work? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl Chatham County Schools **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 15:35:31 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:35:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Way to block spyware with content filter? In-Reply-To: <7778D3DE-80F8-11D9-979B-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <7778D3DE-80F8-11D9-979B-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <4892876105021707355352c03f@mail.gmail.com> I think it's a great idea. There are also sites that make custom hosts files to block bad sites for windows that include all the advertising companies, along with spyware sites. Here is a sample hosts file that is filled with goodies. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt It comes from this article. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Also you could possibly include some sites or regular expressions from "adblock" lists that are used in firefox's adblock extension. http://gauret.free.fr/adshare/adshare.php Here is their list, and you can even tweak it before downloading the file. http://gauret.free.fr/adshare/adshare.php?action=show Thanks for sparking a great idea Jimmy! On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > Hey y'all, > > I had this idea. I don't know if it would work, but I don't know why > it wouldn't. And if it does, it could eliminate a lot of the time you > have to spend removing ad/spyware. > > Spybot Search and Destroy has an immunize feature that when activated > says it is blocking some number of bad websites silently in IE. > > My idea was to look through the spybot files to see if I could find > this blacklist. Then add those URL's to our content filter's > blacklist. That way everyone in the school district is "immunized" > without a tech having to install Spybot S+D on every Windows PC. I > keep blowing the Linux horn, but we still have a lot of Windows > machines. > > I'm not in charge of the content filter, so I can't test this. The guy > who is in charge thought it should work, but hasn't had time to put in > the list I sent him. > > If anyone wants to give it a try, the lists are available here: > > http://www8.chatham.k12.nc.us/schwankl/blacklists/index.html > > The Company URL list may block some sites just because they use > tracking cookies. You may want to remove those (like excite.com) The > Product URL list is probably more specifically dialers, hijackers, and > adware/spyware. > > What do people think? Will it work? > > Peace, > Jimmy Schwankl > Chatham County Schools > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 16:03:02 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:03:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Way to block spyware with content filter? In-Reply-To: <4892876105021707355352c03f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7778D3DE-80F8-11D9-979B-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> <4892876105021707355352c03f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489287610502170803f36f63a@mail.gmail.com> Here are a few of the lists I found that could possibly work. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt http://everythingisnt.com/hosts http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/%7Eatman/spam/Hosts.shtml http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/serve...ostformat=hosts I'm not sure how it would be for other filters, but my squidguard local-block list is just a plain ole' text file, which means I can take any list and just dump it in there and the problem is solved. Or i can even make a new catagory called "spywaresucks" and dump them in there, that way if there is a problem I can just disable the whole catagory and still have a managable local-block list. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:35:31 -0600, Adam Melancon wrote: > I think it's a great idea. > There are also sites that make custom hosts files to block bad sites > for windows that include all the advertising companies, along with > spyware sites. > Here is a sample hosts file that is filled with goodies. > http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt > It comes from this article. > http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm > > Also you could possibly include some sites or regular expressions from > "adblock" lists that are used in firefox's adblock extension. > http://gauret.free.fr/adshare/adshare.php > > Here is their list, and you can even tweak it before downloading the file. > http://gauret.free.fr/adshare/adshare.php?action=show > > Thanks for sparking a great idea Jimmy! > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500, Jimmy Schwankl > wrote: > > Hey y'all, > > > > I had this idea. I don't know if it would work, but I don't know why > > it wouldn't. And if it does, it could eliminate a lot of the time you > > have to spend removing ad/spyware. > > > > Spybot Search and Destroy has an immunize feature that when activated > > says it is blocking some number of bad websites silently in IE. > > > > My idea was to look through the spybot files to see if I could find > > this blacklist. Then add those URL's to our content filter's > > blacklist. That way everyone in the school district is "immunized" > > without a tech having to install Spybot S+D on every Windows PC. I > > keep blowing the Linux horn, but we still have a lot of Windows > > machines. > > > > I'm not in charge of the content filter, so I can't test this. The guy > > who is in charge thought it should work, but hasn't had time to put in > > the list I sent him. > > > > If anyone wants to give it a try, the lists are available here: > > > > http://www8.chatham.k12.nc.us/schwankl/blacklists/index.html > > > > The Company URL list may block some sites just because they use > > tracking cookies. You may want to remove those (like excite.com) The > > Product URL list is probably more specifically dialers, hijackers, and > > adware/spyware. > > > > What do people think? Will it work? > > > > Peace, > > Jimmy Schwankl > > Chatham County Schools > > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > Adam Melancon > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 16:44:18 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:44:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] running DHCP by default Message-ID: <9326098005021708445626bcec@mail.gmail.com> I've done it again. I just got a visit from a network guy complaining that I'm spewing bogus IP numbers to anyone who requests one. It's the third time. The first time it disabled a lab that I was teaching in. I'd like to lobby for there be one more step required before making this mistake. Maybe a process could run and see if there was a DHCP server on an interface before cranking up a second one. That might be a way to do it that would keep boneheads like me from drawing ire from folks running the network. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 17:09:38 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] running DHCP by default In-Reply-To: <9326098005021708445626bcec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050217170938.22695.qmail@web90107.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I'm no scripter, but something like this would work I think: Modify the pertinent files so that when you issue a "service dhcpd start", it first puts out a dhcp request for a bogus interface. If it receives an IP address, then there is already a dhcp server on the network and your new dhcp server should not be allowed to start. -Rob --- Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I've done it again. I just got a visit from a > network guy complaining > that I'm spewing bogus IP numbers to anyone who > requests one. It's > the third time. The first time it disabled a lab > that I was teaching > in. > > I'd like to lobby for there be one more step > required before making > this mistake. Maybe a process could run and see if > there was a DHCP > server on an interface before cranking up a second > one. That might be > a way to do it that would keep boneheads like me > from drawing ire from > folks running the network. > -- > Jay Pfaffman > > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, > Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 17:36:59 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:36:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Freshly installed 4.2.0 (VNC & Updating questions) Message-ID: <20050217173659.12044.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> ok i bit the bullet and installed 4.2.0 on an existing 3.0.0 server. aside from a bad disc 2 (just reburned it), it has been very straightforward. now the questions... - i'd like to VNC into this server from my laptop within the network. how do i enable this? - i'd like to use the "install additional software" folder, but it's coming back with all kinds of messages. how can i install and update the existing packages easily? (also tried yum, but it just stalled out and i got impatient). so, i installed webmin from rpm off the webmin.com site. and i installed flash player from the macromedia.mplug.org site. and i installed real player 10 from the real.com site. still want to install j2re and acroread. how can i do this? yum? apt-get? synaptic? up2date? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Feb 17 16:55:58 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:55:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub interactive booting problem Message-ID: I'm trying to learn how to boot the 4.2.0 server with a grub boot disk and it only partially boots. Here is what i type: GRUB> root (hd0,0) yes its on /dev/hda1 GRUB> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=/dev/hda1 GRUB> boot The kernel loads up to selinux with a message about 10 lines before stating that it can't open a console. In menu.lst, the kernel line reads this: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=LABEL=/1 What is this root=LABEL=/1 option? what does it mean? P.S.: i did try this option in grub interactive and the kernel crashes, it only work in the menu.lst file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 18:09:38 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using webmin in 4.2.0 Message-ID: <20050217180938.40655.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> I can use webmin as localhost, but not remotely (within the network). how can i get to webmin? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 18:14:15 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:14:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using webmin in 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20050217180938.40655.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050217180938.40655.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48928761050217101428fb419@mail.gmail.com> https://ip.address.of.server:10000 depending on if it's using a secure connection it's either https or http:// On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:38 -0800 (PST), richard ingalls wrote: > I can use webmin as localhost, but not remotely > (within the network). how can i get to webmin? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Thu Feb 17 18:30:54 2005 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:30:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way to block spyware with content filter? Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:03:02 -0600 > From: Adam Melancon > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Way to block spyware with content filter? > > > I had this idea. I don't know if it would work, but I don't know why > > it wouldn't. And if it does, it could eliminate a lot of the time you > > have to spend removing ad/spyware. > > > > Spybot Search and Destroy has an immunize feature that when activated > > says it is blocking some number of bad websites silently in IE. > > > > My idea was to look through the spybot files to see if I could find > > this blacklist. Then add those URL's to our content filter's > > blacklist. That way everyone in the school district is "immunized" > > without a tech having to install Spybot S+D on every Windows PC. Hi Adam, Another variation on your idea is to use Snort to detect spyware type packets and drop those packets. This can also be used to limit virii from overloading your network connection (it doesn't protect computers on your LAN however). ClarkConnect (I'm sorry if I always seem to be "plugging" CC) has plans to do something like this. http://www.clarkconnect.org/projects/spyware.php The basis for the CC implementation is http://www.bleedingsnort.com if you want to "roll your own". Hope this helps. Dale This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 18:39:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:39:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <200502170303.j1H333c07733@downeast.net> Message-ID: <00c201c51520$05cbdb70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > probablt you figgered it out but...the clamshell at the > booth? want me to take it home and send it to you??chuck I was actually thinking that if ltsp.org would want to hang on to it to demo ppc support at their booths or for reference for future development of ppc support. If no one has a use for it you could ship it back to me and I can reimburse you for the shipping costs. The machine is actually of no use to me here. I have about 20 of them with dead batteries that have been in the parts room for over a year. But definitely more portable than a iMac for demonstration. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Thu Feb 17 17:50:28 2005 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:50:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub interactive booting problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4214D964.6090607@castify.net> You have to specify an initrd for booting. Once you have typed =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xxx ro root=LABEL=/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= you have to type =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= initrd /boot/initrd-xxx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= where xxx is the same version as the one of the kernel. Command line completion should be helpful to avoid typo. With a local boot, it works likes this but may be in LTSP (I'm not familiar with it), it can be different. The root=LABEL=/ is a way to detect the / partition without having to specify a partition like /dev/hda1 (from what I've understood). So you can have a rack with another disk in which you have a disk where partition slash is labelled / and it should run the same way... Hope it helps. Boris Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I'm trying to learn how to boot the 4.2.0 server with a grub boot disk > and it only partially boots. > Here is what i type: > GRUB> root (hd0,0) yes its on /dev/hda1 > GRUB> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=/dev/hda1 > GRUB> boot > > The kernel loads up to selinux with a message about 10 lines > before stating that it can't open a console. > > In menu.lst, the kernel line reads this: > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=LABEL=/1 > > What is this root=LABEL=/1 option? what does it mean? > P.S.: i did try this option in grub interactive and the kernel > crashes, it only work in the menu.lst file. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 18:47:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:47:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Helping out at the ltsp booth at Linux World Message-ID: <00c401c51521$2003c830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I just wanted to take the time to let everyone know that if they have never volunteered some of their time to help at the ltsp booth or any other open source initiative, they should. I have to say I have never met a better group of people working together. It is an excellent experience that really helps you understand how the open source community works and is able to exist. I always have people say "Sure it is free now, but what about in 2 years?", or "What kind of people would actually develop software for free, and why?". I really wish those people could witness what I did over the last few days so they could truly understand. Thanks again guys for all of the information I gathered from you and for your dedication. I myself now have a much better understanding of the open source community and am more dedicated now then ever to help support it. And funds and time permitting I hope to see you all at future events. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 18:56:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:56:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] running DHCP by default In-Reply-To: <9326098005021708445626bcec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c51522$6ce36380$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've done it again. I just got a visit from a network guy > complaining that I'm spewing bogus IP numbers to anyone who > requests one. It's the third time. The first time it > disabled a lab that I was teaching in. > > I'd like to lobby for there be one more step required before > making this mistake. Maybe a process could run and see if > there was a DHCP server on an interface before cranking up a > second one. That might be a way to do it that would keep > boneheads like me from drawing ire from folks running the network. I don't know what your setup is but if you don't use the ltsp dhcp server your clients won't boot unless you have access to modify the existing dhcp server with the correct settings. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 18:59:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:59:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client boot problem In-Reply-To: <970af85905021705458c4d93f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c51522$c41b4500$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've setup our server to run dhcp off of port 67. When a > client boots using PXE it starts to connect to the server, > but then locks up with the error message: > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > ERROR! No root-path. Check your DCP configuration, to make > sure that the 'option root-path' is specified You may want to slap your dhcpd.conf out here for review. Maybe there is a simple error that a second set of eyes could detect. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 19:08:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:08:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB-flashdrive ,how-to for clients? In-Reply-To: <001801c513b2$7db3a9c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <00cd01c51524$005fc710$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I have gotten the mtools stuff to work but it has its limitations. Keep an eye on ltsp.org over the next couple of weeks. Scott B is working on some very cool new local device support that will work excellent with usb drives. He figured he was a couple weeks away from having it perfected. It will still have some limitations like not supporting multiple drive partitions, or only supporting cd disc reading and not burning, but far better than anything else I have seen. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry R Cisna Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:03 PM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] USB-flashdrive ,how-to for clients? Hi All, Ive read several posts about how to get pendrives/flashdrives to work on clients. I've never been able to get any of the "remedies",,to actually work on the thin clients. Is it possible to get pen drives setup..to be accssed with MTools From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 19:02:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:02:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] the Macromedia Shockwave player petition In-Reply-To: <20050217023522.14586.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c51523$3f900950$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > have you signed this? i have. i hope everyone on > > the > > list has or will soon. shockwave-based sites have > > been a real problem (since they don't work!) in my > > linux labs. > > would be good to include the link, no? > http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html Thanks for the info. I had not heard of this yet. I signed it immediately after reading this post. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 19:54:34 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:54:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using webmin in 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <48928761050217101428fb419@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050217195435.84079.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> --- Adam Melancon wrote: > https://ip.address.of.server:10000 > depending on if it's using a secure connection it's > either https or http:// > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:38 -0800 (PST), richard > ingalls > wrote: > > I can use webmin as localhost, but not remotely > > (within the network). how can i get to webmin? when i do this i get: The following error was encountered: * Access Denied. Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. i'm running through a squid/squidGuard/DansGuardian proxy ALSO, do i need to do something on the server's firewall to allow webmin connections? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Feb 17 19:59:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:59:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file Message-ID: <1108670388.30900.1543.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> In addition to replacing the 7 Win 98 boxes with K12 terminals we are adding two XP machines to each classroom. To those of you that have OpenOffice installed on XP are you using response files for set up? If not how are you managing set up for multiple users? I really would like to find a better way to do this. -- John Baillie From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Thu Feb 17 20:37:38 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:37:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I have a small class that is essentially our student tech crew that supports computers on our campus. I would like to have them all experience installing K12KTSP, or some flavor of Linux. I'm wondering, is the only way to do this by making install disks for each of them, or is there a way to install Linux over the network that will be easy enough to have a whole class installing at the same time? We're talking about 14 students/computers. Let me know what you think. - Sez ********************************************* Bruce Selzler Digital High School Resource Teacher http://homepage.mac.com/sez selzlerb at esuhsd.org sez at mac.com office:(408) 347.4936 cell: (408) 893.6161 mobile msg: 4088936161 at mobile.att.net ************************************************ From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 17 20:49:49 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:49:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to Samba-LDAP Message-ID: <200502172049.j1HKnPFF012071@mx1.redhat.com> Hello all, 1. What are the methods of adding users to a Samba-LDAP server, I use webmin to add users to my samba server using the Users and Groups module, but I am curious on what other administrators are using to add users. --Mark Sarria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 17 21:17:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:17:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] running DHCP by default In-Reply-To: <9326098005021708445626bcec@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005021708445626bcec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1108675041.28701.355.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:44, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I've done it again. I just got a visit from a network guy complaining > that I'm spewing bogus IP numbers to anyone who requests one. It's > the third time. The first time it disabled a lab that I was teaching > in. If you are running a 2-NIC configuration the only thing you need to know is which one is eth0 and which is eth1 - and this will change from release to release depending on the order the kernel detects them. It won't help to make you change a config file if you don't know which adapter is which. To be safe, all you should have to do is disconnect the ethernet cable toward the rest of the world until you have booted a client. Since the client won't boot unless you provide dhcp and the default config only activates one interface, that will establish that you aren't doing dhcp on the remaining interface. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 17 21:44:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:44:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <00df01c51539$ed44dec0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have a small class that is essentially our student tech > crew that supports computers on our campus. I would like to > have them all experience installing K12KTSP, or some flavor > of Linux. I'm wondering, is the only way to do this by > making install disks for each of them, or is there a way to > install Linux over the network that will be easy enough to > have a whole class installing at the same time? We're > talking about 14 students/computers. I am not the most familiar with this setup and have never done it myself but I do know it can be done. From what I understand you just need to put the iso's on a server and nfs export the directory containing them. Then boot from a linux boot disk and choose network install instead of from a CD. The you can point to the ip and share of the nfs export with something like "xxx.xxx.xxx:/isoexport" and the installation will progress from there. This is also nice since you do not have to swap out cd's during the install and will have the ability to rsync the iso's to new updates instead of having to download full new iso's. If that isn't enough to get you going just ask some more questions out here along that line and I am sure someone will be able to walk you through it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 17 22:14:07 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:14:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <00df01c51539$ed44dec0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00df01c51539$ed44dec0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4215172F.3010305@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I have a small class that is essentially our student tech >>crew that supports computers on our campus. I would like to >>have them all experience installing K12KTSP, or some flavor >>of Linux. I'm wondering, is the only way to do this by >>making install disks for each of them, or is there a way to >>install Linux over the network that will be easy enough to >>have a whole class installing at the same time? We're >>talking about 14 students/computers. > > > I am not the most familiar with this setup and have never done it myself > but I do know it can be done. From what I understand you just need to > put the iso's on a server and nfs export the directory containing them. > Then boot from a linux boot disk and choose network install instead of > from a CD. The you can point to the ip and share of the nfs export with > something like "xxx.xxx.xxx:/isoexport" and the installation will > progress from there. This is also nice since you do not have to swap > out cd's during the install and will have the ability to rsync the iso's > to new updates instead of having to download full new iso's. > > If that isn't enough to get you going just ask some more questions out > here along that line and I am sure someone will be able to walk you > through it. > Just to fill in some details to what Jim said: -If you have the disks handy but not the ISOs, you can create the ISO files on the server that will NFS-export them by using dd: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/iso_files/disk1.iso Repeat for each CD; be sure to change the name of each ISO. I don't know if the name of the ISO file matters, but I always use the name or the original ISO files. -Export the directory with the files: exportfs :/iso_files -Boot the server-to-be from the first CD with the askmethod parameter: boot: linux askmethod Shortly into the installation process, the installer will ask what method you want to use, and you choose NFS and point it at the machine with the ISO images. I think at this point you can remove the CD and pass it on to the next student (if necessary). Here's one really cool thing (and the reason I posted this message): I was using this method recently on a box with an crummy old ISA video card (this was not an LTSP server, but I like the extras that Eric bundles). It was just going to be a headless web server. Anyway, the first few screens, before we got to the NFS part, were all just text/menu types, not GUI, as expected. But after I pointed it at the NFS server, I got a message saying something to the effect of "Okay, I found the installation disks. If you want to watch the rest of the installation, go to another machine and run vncviewer and point it at port xxx on this machine", which I did, and amazingly, it was the GUI installation that came up in the vncviewer. This was really handy because the installation was happening in my basement, but this allowed me to go back upstairs and tend to other things. I could check in on the installation by just firing up vncviewer on an upstairs machine. I thought it was really cool. Course, I don't get out much. Petre From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 18 00:11:50 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:11:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050217144518.81362.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050217144518.81362.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421532C6.3080908@cmosnetworks.com> I remember running into this issue two years ago, back when I first tried out K12LTSP. This was back in the Version 2.1.2 days. It seemed to be some weird interaction between the NIC in my thin client and dhcpd. I say that because I tried two different DHCP servers, and the client got its address with no problem. One of those DHCP servers that I tried is still in use today, a Cisco router. However, that same thin client, with the same NIC, has no trouble to this day with K12LTSP 3.1.2's dhcpd. Yes, weird, but that's what I saw. Is it possible for you to either swap the NIC or try that client out with a different DHCP server? --TP Rob Owens wrote: >(I'm sending this from a new email address because of >the formatting issues I've had with my old one.) > >I don't have the box in front of me right now, but it >said something like "Searching for DHCP server" and >then I got a dot on the screen every 30 seconds or so. > >I checked the server's logs and it looks like an IP >address was offered to the client, but I see no action >out of tftpd or xinetd (which calls tftpd on my >system). > >-Rob > >--- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >wrote: > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >> >>>I need to clarify a few things to help me in my >>> >>> >>troubleshooting. >> >> >>>In /etc/dhcpd.conf: >>> >>>1) option root-path this should be >>> >>> >>":/opt/ltsp/i386", right? (I am >>using i386 machines) >> >> >>>2) filename this should be something like >>> >>> >>"/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2", right? >> >> >>>tftp: >>> >>>3) vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2 should be located in >>> >>> >>/tftpboot/lts, right? (tftpd is called with -s >>/tftpboot) >> >> >>>4) In /tftpboot/lts I also have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 >>> >>> >>directory. I think this is only used for PXE >>booting, is that right? >> >> >>>5) Is there an initrd file that needs to be placed >>> >>> >>somewhere? Perhaps with vmlinuz=2.4.26-ltsp-2? >> >> >>>cat /var/log/daemons/info shows me that my terminal >>> >>> >>is being offerred an IP address, but nothing else is >>happenning and the terminal doesn't boot. I'm >>trying to figure out why. >> >> >>>As you can probably tell, I'm not using a default >>> >>> >>K12LTSP install. Due to a limited supply of >>hardware, I am installing ltsp on top of an >>already-existing Mandrake box as a test. But it >>looks like I'm the one being tested... >> >> >>>-Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>What does your client box say? Where, precisely, >>does it stop booting? >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >>Do you GNU!? >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source >>Software (FOSS). Check it >>out! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 18 00:14:58 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:14:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <1108670388.30900.1543.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1108670388.30900.1543.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <42153382.7070700@cmosnetworks.com> John Baillie wrote: >In addition to replacing the 7 Win 98 boxes with K12 terminals we are >adding two XP machines to each classroom. > >To those of you that have OpenOffice installed on XP are you using >response files for set up? If not how are you managing set up for >multiple users? > >I really would like to find a better way to do this. > > > Why not just run GNU/Linux? K12LTSP would be a good choice. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 18 00:27:37 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <42153679.8020800@cmosnetworks.com> This has already been addressed for K12LTSP, which means any other Red Hat / Fedora distro as well. If you want to do standalone workstations, two other excellent distros for this are Slackware and SuSE. I haven't yet learned how to do a network install of Slackware, but here's how to do it for SuSE Linux. I'll use v9.1 as an example, though these same instructions apply for v9.2 as well. Of course, this would be in addition to having the kids do FTP or NFS installs of K12LTSP. Make an anonymous FTP server; I use vsftpd for this. Copy all your files from the CDs (there are five of them) or DVD to some directory on this FTP server. I use /ftp/pub/suse/i386/9.1. Grab the "FTP Install" ISO image, which lives in the boot/ directory under this tree. The file is called "boot.iso". Burn this to a bunch of CD-ROMs and have your kids boot off of these CD-ROMs. The only thing you'll need to know is what kind of NIC you have, for you will need to select the manual install and load your NIC driver. Once you do that, you just keep going, tell it you want to do a network install, and that you want to use FTP. Pop in the /ftp/pub/suse/i386/9.1 path when it asks you where to install from, and off you'll go! Having your kids do more than one distro will help them nail down some of the concepts better. They will also see that one distro does this better, another does this better, and this one over here might have this other focus. This kind of knowledge is a good thing. --TP Selzler, Bruce wrote: >Hello Team, > >I have a small class that is essentially our student tech crew that >supports computers on our campus. I would like to have them all >experience installing K12KTSP, or some flavor of Linux. I'm wondering, >is the only way to do this by making install disks for each of them, or >is there a way to install Linux over the network that will be easy >enough to have a whole class installing at the same time? We're talking >about 14 students/computers. > >Let me know what you think. > >- Sez > >********************************************* >Bruce Selzler >Digital High School Resource Teacher >http://homepage.mac.com/sez >selzlerb at esuhsd.org >sez at mac.com >office:(408) 347.4936 >cell: (408) 893.6161 >mobile msg: 4088936161 at mobile.att.net >************************************************ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 18 01:53:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:53:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to Samba-LDAP In-Reply-To: <200502172049.j1HKnPFF012071@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200502172049.j1HKnPFF012071@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 3:49 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello all, > >1. What are the methods of adding users to a Samba-LDAP server, I use >webmin to add users to my samba server using the Users and Groups module, >but I am curious on what other administrators are using to add users. > >--Mark Sarria > Look at the documentation and the smbldap-useradd-bulk scripts and the create-users scripts in the http://majen.net/smbldap-installer-1.2-delta.tgz package Very easy to add users with those scripts. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Feb 18 02:23:57 2005 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:23:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange Lockups Message-ID: <1108693437.3290.27.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I am running k12ltsp 3.1.0 on a server with Tyan S2460 MB, 2 Athlon 1400 MPs, Adaptec 29160 SCSI and IBM 40 Gig SCSI HD, two 3c905tx and one Intel E1000 nics. The server has worked flawlessly for nearly three years. Now it locks up without warning. Sometimes it does so under load, but at others it just locks up in the middle of the night without any load. I suspect it is a hardware problem, since the logs give no indication of the problem. It just locks up without warning. Nothing in /var/log/messages. I did catch it one time with a bunch of screen garbage and something about interrputs, but nothing made much sense. The next time it just went to sleep in the middle of a login. The time after that everything went well and ran for a while until it locked up while running yum update. Since the Tyan S2460 is a popular server board for LTSP systems, I thought someone might be able to suggest a method of diagnosing the problem. The Tyan website is useless. All they have is monitoring software that works with Win2k. What I need is something like AMIDIAG, only this is not an AMI bios motherboard. All fans are working well. Both cpus appear to be cooling just fine. There is no excess heat in the case. Unfortunately, I do not know of any diagnostics that can be run from Linux or use a boot disk. I have never tried to implement lm_sensors, but that would only tell me if the cpu temps are excessive, which I do not believe is the case. Are there any diagnostics in Knoppix or one of the bootable CDROMS that might work with a dual cpu Tyan mb? My suspicions at this point is that the IBM SCSI harddrive is getting flaky. It works fine and hasn't started showing up with any errors. It is a 10,000 rpm 36gb model. But, if it shares any of the electronics with their famous "Death Star" ide drives, that would explain a lot. I will probably order a new scsi drive just to be on the safe side, but if it is the MB going South, I would like to know that up front. I am open to suggestions. Dan From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Feb 18 02:49:01 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 18 Feb 2005 10:49:01 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] tsunami education papers Message-ID: <1108694945.1080.147.camel@compaq.mydomain> Education Materials: Few would not know of the devastation wrought by the tsunami in the Indian Ocean Region several weeks ago. I just became aware of this link (below) to educational materials that the educators on this list may wish to check out to broaden your students' knowledge: http://www.globaleducation.edna.edu.au/globaled/page1637.html ################# QUOTE ############## On 26 December 2004 an underwater earthquake just off the coast of Sumatra displaced a massive body of water causing an enormous tsunami to race across the Indian Ocean. The tsunami itself touched and unleashed immense devastation in twelve countries and affected many more. ... and In order to support the desire to understand the causal factors and the long term consequences of the disaster, World Vision, the Australian Red Cross and AusAID have put together this schools kit. The kit goes beyond the immediate disaster and examines how the disaster fits with bigger picture issues of poverty, development and aid. The kit provides a background for teachers and students on these issues through information and key questions, as well as providing activity suggestions for all age groups. The kit is divided into primary and secondary worksheets, denoted by a P or an S. However teachers may find it useful to look through the whole kit to give a thorough grounding in all of the issues and to find further activity suggestions. ######### END QUOTE ############### I thought it appropriate to bring this to the attention of this list because K12LTSP promotes recycling of cast-off PCs, and along with FOSS is another tool to reduce the global disparity between the rich Minority world and the less-rich Majority world citizens :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 18 03:14:51 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:14:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options Message-ID: <200502180214.j1I2Eou06677@downeast.net> you can start install from an iso then switvh to network install using linux askmethod...can use ftp otr http method..i put contents of all 4 cd in /var/www/html and do http install..all rpms go in one giant folder..chuck..never tried to do 14 at a time,,just one.. > > I have a small class that is essentially our student tech > > crew that supports computers on our campus. I would like to > > have them all experience installing K12KTSP, or some flavor > > of Linux. I'm wondering, is the only way to do this by > > making install disks for each of them, or is there a way to > > install Linux over the network that will be easy enough to > > have a whole class installing at the same time? We're > > talking about 14 students/computers. > > I am not the most familiar with this setup and have never done it myself > but I do know it can be done. From what I understand you just need to > put the iso's on a server and nfs export the directory containing them. > Then boot from a linux boot disk and choose network install instead of > from a CD. The you can point to the ip and share of the nfs export with > something like "xxx.xxx.xxx:/isoexport" and the installation will > progress from there. This is also nice since you do not have to swap > out cd's during the install and will have the ability to rsync the iso's > to new updates instead of having to download full new iso's. > > If that isn't enough to get you going just ask some more questions out > here along that line and I am sure someone will be able to walk you > through it. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 03:17:32 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:17:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do ISOs work? Message-ID: <004f01c51568$c4b1dce0$2dfbb142@comcast.net> On my k12 I've got Moodle running. When moodle installs all of the data that php uses to make its html pages is stored in mysql tables. To give you an idea of its files structure, moodle can make a complete backup of itself ( files, data) into a zip file. To get it restored, the files need only to be placed into the same folder that it was copied from and the data needs to be inserted into mysql tables. I would like to know what I would need to do to bundle moodle into k12ltsp and offer an iso on my website for people to download them all so that when it was installed, moodle and everything else would be completely installed also. Can the default of the k12 install be set to automatically install apache, mysql, and php (when I installed my k12 I had to instal amp separately)? What is the process for adding these moodle files to the current k12 iso? Is it as simple as opening the iso, adding the files, and making it back into an iso again? And somewhere in that mix there has to be some linux commands to execute the mysql commands that populate the database. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 18 03:19:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:19:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200502180219.j1I2JFu07154@downeast.net> ok: if i talk to jim well go from there...i wouldnt mind borrowing it cause i could run it off my laptop...chuck > > probablt you figgered it out but...the clamshell at the > > booth? want me to take it home and send it to you??chuck > > I was actually thinking that if ltsp.org would want to hang on to it to > demo ppc support at their booths or for reference for future development > of ppc support. If no one has a use for it you could ship it back to me > and I can reimburse you for the shipping costs. > > The machine is actually of no use to me here. I have about 20 of them > with dead batteries that have been in the parts room for over a year. > But definitely more portable than a iMac for demonstration. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 18 03:23:04 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:23:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Helping out at the ltsp booth at Linux World Message-ID: <200502180223.j1I2N4u07526@downeast.net> as john terpstra said again and again last night.. LINUX SUCKS........................................you in!pleasure working with you andf Mike.. I just wanted to take the time to let everyone know that if they have > never volunteered some of their time to help at the ltsp booth or any > other open source initiative, they should. > > I have to say I have never met a better group of people working > together. It is an excellent experience that really helps you > understand how the open source community works and is able to exist. > > I always have people say "Sure it is free now, but what about in 2 > years?", or "What kind of people would actually develop software for > free, and why?". I really wish those people could witness what I did > over the last few days so they could truly understand. > > Thanks again guys for all of the information I gathered from you and for > your dedication. I myself now have a much better understanding of the > open source community and am more dedicated now then ever to help > support it. And funds and time permitting I hope to see you all at > future events. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 18 03:47:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:47:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Helping out at the ltsp booth at Linux World In-Reply-To: <200502180223.j1I2N4u07526@downeast.net> References: <200502180223.j1I2N4u07526@downeast.net> Message-ID: Hey! It was great meeting both of you! You guys rock! Hope to see you next year...if not before then! :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 10:23 PM +0000 wrote: > I just wanted to take the time to let everyone know that if they have >> never volunteered some of their time to help at the ltsp booth or any >> other open source initiative, they should. >> >> I have to say I have never met a better group of people working >> together. It is an excellent experience that really helps you >> understand how the open source community works and is able to exist. >> >> I always have people say "Sure it is free now, but what about in 2 >> years?", or "What kind of people would actually develop software for >> free, and why?". I really wish those people could witness what I did >> over the last few days so they could truly understand. >> > > > > >> Thanks again guys for all of the information I gathered from you and for >> your dedication. I myself now have a much better understanding of the >> open source community and am more dedicated now then ever to help >> support it. And funds and time permitting I hope to see you all at >> future events. >> David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mikeK12 at 1-cs.com Fri Feb 18 04:19:31 2005 From: mikeK12 at 1-cs.com (Mike Schueler) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:19:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks to LTSP Folks Message-ID: First Post... I wanted to extend my appreciation to the LTSP group for allowing One Click to participate in your piece of the Expo. I really enjoyed meeting the people behind the scenes and getting an opportunity to chat with all! I now know why I was given 2 ears, 2 eyes, and 1 mouth. It was simply to listen more and talk less. I learned so much during our stint at the booth by simply listening and watching. Jim and I are discussing the possibility of making it out to Cal (Colleen's) home state in August. We've talked about how neat it would be to see a K12 booth right next to the LTSP booth, especially since they seem to go so well together = K12LTSP... see what I mean. A big heart felt Thanks To All! From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 18 04:26:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:26:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange Lockups In-Reply-To: <1108693437.3290.27.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1108693437.3290.27.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <1108700770.22475.92.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 20:23, Daniel Loomis wrote: > I suspect it is a hardware problem, since the logs give no indication of > the problem. It just locks up without warning. Based on nothing in particular, I always suspect power supplies first when I have mysterious crashes - and they are usually easy to swap. > Are there any diagnostics in Knoppix or one of the bootable CDROMS that > might work with a dual cpu Tyan mb? There is a memory test on fedora/k12ltsp install CD's but it takes a long time to run. > My suspicions at this point is that the IBM SCSI harddrive is getting > flaky. It works fine and hasn't started showing up with any errors. It > is a 10,000 rpm 36gb model. You'll generally see scsi errors in the log (dmesg or /var/log/messages) with mildly flakey drives. I'd expect that model to have SMART capability. Are you running smartd? As a brute-force check you can 'cat /dev/sda >/dev/null' and watch for error messages on the console or logs. > But, if it shares any of the electronics > with their famous "Death Star" ide drives, that would explain a lot. They made a bad batch of 72gig scsi's a while back but I don't think there were ever generic problems with 36gig models. > will probably order a new scsi drive just to be on the safe side, but if > it is the MB going South, I would like to know that up front. Running RAID1 is the safest option, but smartd should warn you if a drive is failing slowly. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 18 04:35:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:35:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <42153679.8020800@cmosnetworks.com> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <42153679.8020800@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I find the easiest way is to do NFS installs. You need to make sure nfs is installed and running on your system....then create a directory such as /images then enter something like the following line to /etc/exports /images 10.0.0.234/255.255.240.0(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) then...either reboot or run exportfs -av to get the ISO files into the directory....example mkdir /images/k12ltsp42 then simply cd to /images/k12ltsp42 and and run wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/* (or something like that) Then once the ISO's are in there....you'll need to burn a copy of disc 1 To install via NFS....put in disc one of K12LTSP 4.2 or whatever distro you'll be installing....at the boot: type in linux askmethod answer the questions....when you get to the appropriate screen select "NFS"....on the next screen type in the name or IP of the NFS server....and on the next line type the path...such as /images/k12ltsp42 then the installer will run and you'll be in business! (You can remove the CD at this point) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 7:27 PM +0000 wrote: >This has already been addressed for K12LTSP, which means any other Red >Hat / Fedora distro as well. > >If you want to do standalone workstations, two other excellent distros >for this are Slackware and SuSE. I haven't yet learned how to do a >network install of Slackware, but here's how to do it for SuSE Linux. >I'll use v9.1 as an example, though these same instructions apply for >v9.2 as well. Of course, this would be in addition to having the kids >do FTP or NFS installs of K12LTSP. > >Make an anonymous FTP server; I use vsftpd for this. Copy all your >files from the CDs (there are five of them) or DVD to some directory on >this FTP server. I use /ftp/pub/suse/i386/9.1. Grab the "FTP Install" >ISO image, which lives in the boot/ directory under this tree. The file >is called "boot.iso". Burn this to a bunch of CD-ROMs and have your >kids boot off of these CD-ROMs. The only thing you'll need to know is >what kind of NIC you have, for you will need to select the manual >install and load your NIC driver. Once you do that, you just keep >going, tell it you want to do a network install, and that you want to >use FTP. Pop in the /ftp/pub/suse/i386/9.1 path when it asks you where >to install from, and off you'll go! > >Having your kids do more than one distro will help them nail down some >of the concepts better. They will also see that one distro does this >better, another does this better, and this one over here might have this >other focus. This kind of knowledge is a good thing. > >--TP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Feb 18 05:40:18 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:40:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange Lockups In-Reply-To: <1108693437.3290.27.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1108693437.3290.27.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <42157FC2.1030907@magic.fr> I've experienced same. I'll dble ck which kernel I'm running but I noticed serious lock ups with various 'newer' smp kernels. I'll post the one that has given me the least heartache. FC2 has been okay. FC3 nothing but problems though it was quite peppy even if it died rapidly under load. try different kernels would be my suggestion. best of luck Denny Daniel Loomis wrote: >I am running k12ltsp 3.1.0 on a server with Tyan S2460 MB, 2 Athlon 1400 >MPs, Adaptec 29160 SCSI and IBM 40 Gig SCSI HD, two 3c905tx and one >Intel E1000 nics. The server has worked flawlessly for nearly three >years. Now it locks up without warning. Sometimes it does so under >load, but at others it just locks up in the middle of the night without >any load. > >I suspect it is a hardware problem, since the logs give no indication of >the problem. It just locks up without warning. Nothing in >/var/log/messages. I did catch it one time with a bunch of screen >garbage and something about interrputs, but nothing made much sense. >The next time it just went to sleep in the middle of a login. The time >after that everything went well and ran for a while until it locked up >while running yum update. > >Since the Tyan S2460 is a popular server board for LTSP systems, I >thought someone might be able to suggest a method of diagnosing the >problem. The Tyan website is useless. All they have is monitoring >software that works with Win2k. What I need is something like AMIDIAG, >only this is not an AMI bios motherboard. > >All fans are working well. Both cpus appear to be cooling just fine. >There is no excess heat in the case. Unfortunately, I do not know of >any diagnostics that can be run from Linux or use a boot disk. I have >never tried to implement lm_sensors, but that would only tell me if the >cpu temps are excessive, which I do not believe is the case. > >Are there any diagnostics in Knoppix or one of the bootable CDROMS that >might work with a dual cpu Tyan mb? > >My suspicions at this point is that the IBM SCSI harddrive is getting >flaky. It works fine and hasn't started showing up with any errors. It >is a 10,000 rpm 36gb model. But, if it shares any of the electronics >with their famous "Death Star" ide drives, that would explain a lot. I >will probably order a new scsi drive just to be on the safe side, but if >it is the MB going South, I would like to know that up front. > >I am open to suggestions. > >Dan > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found here: www.dennisgdaniels.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Feb 18 05:56:05 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:56:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <20050218022412.4357073217@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050218022412.4357073217@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1108706165.1084.639.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> snip ------> To those of you that have OpenOffice installed on XP are you using response files for set up? If not how are you managing set up for multiple users? I really would like to find a better way to do this. -- John Baillie > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file > Why not just run GNU/Linux? K12LTSP would be a good choice. > > --TP My job would be easier if I could. All I can do is suggest and educate. But with 40 GNU/Linux running full time in the lab for 3 years and now a 7 to 2 ratio of GNU/Linux to Windows in some classrooms and more planned things are looking OK. John From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 18 05:22:30 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:22:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050218043522.5026073DD3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050218043522.5026073DD3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050218052230.GV21448@localhost.localdomain> > From: "David Trask" > I find the easiest way is to do NFS installs. You need to make sure nfs I agree. I think NFS is more straightforward than the HTTP and FTP options. Any of these network installation methods should work fine for a class of 50, let alone 14. Of course, that depends on the speed of your network and how fast you want them to finish. :) > /images then enter something like the following line to /etc/exports > /images 10.0.0.234/255.255.240.0(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) I'd definitely recommend "ro" instead of "rw", because no NFS client should *ever* need to write anything to your images directory, and "rw" just opens up the possiblity of corrupting something by accident. > then...either reboot or run exportfs -av Also note that 'exportfs' by itself will tell you what NFS exports you currently have on your server. Here's my server at home: socrates ~ $ exportfs /var/cache/apt/archives 10.0.0.0/8 /export/distros/ltsp 10.0.0.0/8 /export/distros/fc3 10.0.0.0/8 /export/music 10.0.0.0/8 /export/home 10.0.0.0/8 /export/dl 10.0.0.0/8 > to get the ISO files into the directory....example mkdir > /images/k12ltsp42 then simply cd to /images/k12ltsp42 and and run wget > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/* (or something like > that) Interesting; I didn't realize you could just put the ISOs in the directory. I thought you had to copy all the actual files off the ISOs and into the exported directory...I think it used to be that way, and I guess I've been doing it the "hard way" ever since way back when. :) --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Haynes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:10:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tech to PC ratios? In-Reply-To: <1108708227.1084.675.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <200502181110.j1IBAsW7025896@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Baillie > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:30 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Tech to PC ratios? > > I did a little research and my very rough estimates in K12 > environment for computer to tech ratio seems to be about 150 > per tech (Windows and > Mac) with the edge going to Mac. > > 1. Is 1:150 the norm for Windows and Macs? At a conference last summer, there were a bunch of us in a session who had 1-to-1 laptop programs in mostly private day schools. We took a quick poll, and the average there for tech to machine was from 1:200 to 1:250. I am in a boarding environment, and we are better than 1:100, but there are other issues with network infrastructure and the 24-7 quality of the residential side. I am interested in converting a math lab to a LTSP lab, but other that that the only linux machines on campus are the three servers I manage. Regards... Tom From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 11:19:37 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:19:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <1108706165.1084.639.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <20050218111937.88349.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> What about using the XP machine to connect to a linux server to run OpenOffice? That would show them that they wasted their money on Windows XP! -Rob --- John Baillie wrote: > snip ------> > > To those of you that have OpenOffice installed on XP > are you using > response files for set up? If not how are you > managing set up for > multiple users? > > I really would like to find a better way to do this. > > -- > John Baillie > > > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - > Response file > > > Why not just run GNU/Linux? K12LTSP would be a > good choice. > > > > --TP > > My job would be easier if I could. All I can do is > suggest and educate. > But with 40 GNU/Linux running full time in the lab > for 3 years and now a > 7 to 2 ratio of GNU/Linux to Windows in some > classrooms and more planned > things are looking OK. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 11:33:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:33:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <4215172F.3010305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050218113342.82511.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Hey, that is pretty cool. Here's something I've been wondering about for K12LTSP or for any other distro for that matter: Is there any way to do a remote installation such that the person with physical access to the computer only needs to load 1 cd and maybe walk through a couple of simple preliminary steps? I'm thinking of something like an installation cd that immediately sets up an ssh server, and then all packages are loaded from an ftp site on the internet. I recently had to troubleshoot my sister's computer from across the country. I had her load knoppix (which I sent her home with last time she visited) and in about 3 clicks she had an ssh server up and running. But now I've gotta re-install linux on her new hard drive and I'd rather not have to walk her through disk partitioning and stuff like that... Any ideas? I think this would be a great way to help expand the use of K12LTSP. You could do remote installations for schools in far-away areas, exposing them to linux and wowing them with the installation process itself. Kind of a "here, try this out and if you like using it I'll teach you how to do the installations" thing. -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > Here's one really cool thing (and the reason I > posted this message): I > was using this method recently on a box with an > crummy old ISA video > card (this was not an LTSP server, but I like the > extras that Eric > bundles). It was just going to be a headless web > server. Anyway, the > first few screens, before we got to the NFS part, > were all just > text/menu types, not GUI, as expected. But after I > pointed it at the > NFS server, I got a message saying something to the > effect of "Okay, I > found the installation disks. If you want to watch > the rest of the > installation, go to another machine and run > vncviewer and point it at > port xxx on this machine", which I did, and > amazingly, it was the GUI > installation that came up in the vncviewer. This > was really handy > because the installation was happening in my > basement, but this allowed > me to go back upstairs and tend to other things. I > could check in on > the installation by just firing up vncviewer on an > upstairs machine. > > I thought it was really cool. Course, I don't get > out much. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 18 12:41:29 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:41:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <42153679.8020800@cmosnetworks.com> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E89602@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <42153679.8020800@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <6e1a82d0232353488d2b13b14db73bbe@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Slackware has an NFS install option, just burn a "light" installer CD or use the floppy disks. You need to grab all files first though. On Feb 17, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > If you want to do standalone workstations, two other excellent distros > for this are Slackware and SuSE. I haven't yet learned how to do a > network install of Slackware, but here's how to do it for SuSE Linux. > I'll use v9.1 as an example, though these same instructions apply for > v9.2 as well. Of course, this would be in addition to having the kids > do FTP or NFS installs of K12LTSP. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIV4mcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXR6TgCfbyeYPrQdvKBL9KXZFwWXeukq 8FEAmwRbpWAnOo8mZXZJ0rwTFnvk8u/h =5UrM - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIV4nkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS08gCfTB9xCTYNdRbkv65VdOBeT/AO xPcAn3OPrVrH+p8UB+2TwOhYs+WjPY9x =RvNT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 18 13:16:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:16:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050218052230.GV21448@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050218043522.5026073DD3@hormel.redhat.com> <20050218052230.GV21448@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: InstallingLinuxOptions at redhat.com on Friday, February 18, 2005 at 12:22 AM +0000 wrote: >I'd definitely recommend "ro" instead of "rw", because no NFS client >should *ever* need to write anything to your images directory, and >"rw" just opens up the possiblity of corrupting something by accident. Excellent point....I need to pay closer attention ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 18 13:18:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:18:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Linux Options In-Reply-To: <20050218113342.82511.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218113342.82511.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108732707.24227.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 05:33, Rob Owens wrote: > Here's something I've been wondering about for K12LTSP > or for any other distro for that matter: Is there any > way to do a remote installation such that the person > with physical access to the computer only needs to > load 1 cd and maybe walk through a couple of simple > preliminary steps? I'm thinking of something like an > installation cd that immediately sets up an ssh > server, and then all packages are loaded from an ftp > site on the internet. You can specify a VNC session and the connection can be outbound to a viewer in listen mode. You should also be able to give most or all of the other options in a kickstart file that can be pulled via http from a web server. When you perform a manual install a kickstart file is created that you can used for subsequent identical installs. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 18 13:22:29 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:22:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050218052230.GV21448@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050218043522.5026073DD3@hormel.redhat.com> <20050218052230.GV21448@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1108732949.24227.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 23:22, Matt Oquist wrote: > Interesting; I didn't realize you could just put the ISOs in the > directory. I thought you had to copy all the actual files off the > ISOs and into the exported directory...I think it used to be that way, > and I guess I've been doing it the "hard way" ever since way back > when. :) That was added to the installer somewhere around RH8. But who reads all those release notes... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pjdavison at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 13:54:04 2005 From: pjdavison at gmail.com (Phil Davison) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:54:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Boot Problem Message-ID: <970af85905021805544c63b39e@mail.gmail.com> Below is the text of my dhcpd.conf file. I'm wondering if it's the problem. I may have messed something up when I tried to switch to port 67. Thanks # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 199.235.57.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } } From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Feb 18 13:29:24 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:29:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <20050218111937.88349.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com>; from hick518@yahoo.com on Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:19:37AM -0800 References: <1108706165.1084.639.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> <20050218111937.88349.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050218082924.A17615@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:19:37AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > What about using the XP machine to connect to a linux > server to run OpenOffice? That would show them that > they wasted their money on Windows XP! > > -Rob Or just install OO on the Win machines (using the Win OO executables of course). That way they can run OO without loading up your server. One nibble at the Open Source tree of knowledge may be all it takes to open their eyes. In addition to the Windows executable version of OO there area ton of F/OSS programs for education that run on both Linux and Win. Some faculty and staff I know use these to introduce their schools to the idea of using F/OSS which eventually includes LTSP. Here a web site that focuses on F/OSS that run on both platforms: List of programs (run on Win or Lin) http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/en/bestlist.html Download page (list o' mirrors) http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/order.html Home page http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html (P.S. It is considered good style to trim all the excess verbiage from reply to post, which in this case was everything except the new comment. about 65 out of 70 lines... ) -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 18 14:32:23 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:32:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Freezing Message-ID: <4215FC77.60204@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> We have installed k12ltsp version 4.1 I haven't updated the particular server in question. I am having quite a few problem with the clients locking up and then the students not being able to reenter open office or Presentation afterwords. Does anyone know how to remedy this situation? BK From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 18 15:01:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Freezing In-Reply-To: <4215FC77.60204@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <002701c515ca$baf40ae0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > We have installed k12ltsp version 4.1 I haven't updated the > particular > server in question. I am having quite a few problem with the clients > locking up and then the students not being able to reenter > open office > or Presentation afterwords. Does anyone know how to remedy > this situation? I think I recall David Trask having similar problems and fixed this with a cron job to remove all files from within /tmp periodically. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Feb 18 15:05:39 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:05:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tech to PC ratios? Message-ID: <8D614E74-81BE-11D9-88C9-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> John Baillie wrote: > 1. Is 1:150 the norm for Windows and Macs? > 2. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for Windows or Mac? > 3. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for K12LTSP desktops per > Tech. > 4. How detailed does this line of questioning have to be in order to > become meaningful in regards to highlighting the benefits of K12LTSP > 1) I'd say 1:150 would be a dream. I think that's low. I'm the tech for two schools Mac and some Windows where the computers total about 500+ So my ratio is 1:500-ish. I have one small K12LTSP lab in a science classroom where one beefy PC runs 10 clients. I know techs in other school systems here in North Carolina, USA that have ratios closer to 1:1000. (thank God for DeepFreeze, eh?) 2) I'd say the optimal ratio (meaning practically no downtime) for Windows or Mac is probably about where you are, but 1:250 isn't bad. 3) Probably higher. But optimal?... I guess it all depends on what kind of servers one has. Using high end PC's to handle each classroom separately VS a big honking server or two handling the school. I would make a stab at 1:750 (meaning 3 schools with big honking servers) It would be good if folks who have big K12LTSP installations could chime in on this. 4) Not sure. Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 15:10:46 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <20050218082924.A17615@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050218151046.29268.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Yeah but the original poster was asking how to handle the issue of multiple users running OpenOffice on the windows machines. He already knows that OpenOffice is available for windows. If you know a good way of handling that, let him know. The easiest way for me would be to connect to the linux server (especially since it seems his network is mainly linux-based), but there are probably other ways. -Rob --- Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:19:37AM -0800, Rob Owens > wrote: > > What about using the XP machine to connect to a > linux > > server to run OpenOffice? That would show them > that > > they wasted their money on Windows XP! > > > > -Rob > > Or just install OO on the Win machines (using the > Win OO executables of > course). That way they can run OO without loading up > your server. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 15:21:23 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:21:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <421532C6.3080908@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050218152123.42752.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I'll try swapping the NIC tonight. My only other option for a dhcp server is my Linksys router. I'm not sure how I would go about allowing it to serve IP addresses while still allowing my dhcpd to provide proper information regarding root-path and such. If somebody tells me how to do it, I'll give it a try. The thing is, with this exact same equipment I installed K12LTSP 4.0.1 about a year ago. It worked, but it was only a test so I removed it when I needed more /home space for my main system. When I recently tried to install 4.2.0 on a small partition on my hard drive, I got a scary message saying something to the effect of "mandrake botched your partition table and we can't read it. You will lose all data if you install now." Well, it wasn't that specific, but that was the implication and it did say I would lose all data on the drive. -Rob --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > I remember running into this issue two years ago, > back when I first > tried out K12LTSP. This was back in the Version > 2.1.2 days. It seemed > to be some weird interaction between the NIC in my > thin client and > dhcpd. I say that because I tried two different > DHCP servers, and the > client got its address with no problem. One of > those DHCP servers that > I tried is still in use today, a Cisco router. > However, that same thin > client, with the same NIC, has no trouble to this > day with K12LTSP > 3.1.2's dhcpd. Yes, weird, but that's what I saw. > > Is it possible for you to either swap the NIC or try > that client out > with a different DHCP server? > > --TP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Feb 18 15:20:14 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? OpenOffice on XP - Response file In-Reply-To: <20050218151046.29268.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com>; from hick518@yahoo.com on Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 07:10:46AM -0800 References: <20050218082924.A17615@redline.comcast.net> <20050218151046.29268.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050218102014.B17615@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 07:10:46AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > Yeah but the original poster was asking how to handle > the issue of multiple users running OpenOffice on the > yeah - I just can't resist any opportunity to promote the idea of infecting school systems with F/OSS leading to LTSP. :) To wit: > --- Jeff Kinz wrote: >> One nibble at the Open Source tree of knowledge may be all it takes to >> open their eyes. >> >> In addition to the Windows executable version of OO there area ton of >> F/OSS programs for education that run on both Linux and Win. Some >> faculty and staff I know use these to introduce their schools to the >> idea of using F/OSS which eventually includes LTSP. >> >> >> Here a web site that focuses on F/OSS that run on both platforms: >> >> List of programs (run on Win or Lin) >> http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/en/bestlist.html >> >> Download page (list o' mirrors) >> http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/order.html >> >> Home page >> http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From johnny at msad41.us Fri Feb 18 15:22:02 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:22:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Message-ID: <1108740122.4216081ac58a9@msad41.us> Hi all....could someone tell me how to make sure which NIC in my K12LTSP boxes is serving DHCP....After a reboot of one server I'm now getting bogus IPs on my Ibooks....John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 18 15:31:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:31:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <970af85905021805544c63b39e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002f01c515ce$f306c2c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Below is the text of my dhcpd.conf file. I'm wondering if > it's the problem. I may have messed something up when I > tried to switch to port 67. >From you config it looks like you are trying to switch from the default port of 67 to port 1067. Here is a link to the ltsp.org wiki with steps to do so: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers _for_t Be sure you follow the setting up the client section and the section for modifying /etc/init.d/dhcpd. Now this looks like the dhcpd.conf changes will affect only one client. Does anyone have a working dhcpd.conf to post that is using port 1067 globally for reference? Phil, could you also post your /etc/exports file to be sure there isn't a problem there? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 18 15:45:37 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:45:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network linux install In-Reply-To: <20050218152143.6058473B32@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050218152143.6058473B32@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050218154537.GZ21448@localhost.localdomain> > From: Les Mikesell > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 23:22, Matt Oquist wrote: > > Interesting; I didn't realize you could just put the ISOs in the > > directory. I thought you had to copy all the actual files off the > > ISOs and into the exported directory...I think it used to be that way, > > and I guess I've been doing it the "hard way" ever since way back > > when. :) > > That was added to the installer somewhere around RH8. But who > reads all those release notes... Heh - that explains it. I took a Gentoo-based vacation from RH stretching from RH 7.1 to K12LTSP 4.2 this December. ;) --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am having quite a few problem with the clients >>locking up and then the students not being able to reenter >>open office >>or Presentation afterwords. Does anyone know how to remedy >>this situation? >> >> > >I think I recall David Trask having similar problems and fixed this with >a cron job to remove all files from within /tmp periodically. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 18 16:13:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:13:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Freezing In-Reply-To: <42160E40.8090207@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <003b01c515d4$d2dc7340$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I am no cron expert but I don't think so. I think in your tmpremove file you would only list the command needed to remove the /tmp files. I am not the most familiar with the commands but you will probably want enough to del /tmp/*.* like you have, but also add something to suppress the delete confirmation and something to make it run in the background. The you would add the 0,23.*,*, 1-5 /somepath/tmpremove to your crontab. David, if you get a chance could you throw out how you setup your cron job? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:48 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Presentation Freezing This will be my first effort at cron, so please confirm that this is how the cron file should be setup. 0, 23, *, *, 1-5, del /tmp/*.* Then I would name the file tmpremove.cron Then I would do a crontab -l to make sure I had no files of the same name. Then I would crontab tmpremove.cron to activate the file. Is this all correct? Jim Kronebusch wrote: We have installed k12ltsp version 4.1 I haven't updated the particular server in question. I am having quite a few problem with the clients locking up and then the students not being able to reenter open office or Presentation afterwords. Does anyone know how to remedy this situation? I think I recall David Trask having similar problems and fixed this with a cron job to remove all files from within /tmp periodically. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Tech Department and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri Feb 18 16:24:42 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:24:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine Message-ID: a friend just forwarded this along to me... apologies if it has already been posted here Bryant ---- Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM from the they-could-use-some dept. IamTheRealMike writes "In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this summer onwards all users of Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate using either an ActiveX control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo Puoti, a Wine developer, discovered that the validation tool checks directly for Wine and bails out with a generic error when found. This is significant as it's not only the first time Microsoft has actively discriminated against users running their programs via Wine, but it's also the first time they've broken radio silence on the project." From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 18 16:36:14 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:36:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP Message-ID: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been trying to wrap my brain around this problem and have had no success, so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. What I've got is a middle school with approx 400 students, each with their own username and "home" directory on a Win2K Active Directory domain controller. To this I've added a small K12LTSP lab, that is currently using the AD information for authentication. (Students login with domainname-adusername and their AD password.) What I need to try and do is setup a way to allow the user to connect to their Win2K home folder when they're logged into the K12LTSP server, while preserving their login credentials so that they can only see their own files. The current path to the home folders is \\server\users\yog\username. If I can just get it to connect to \\server\users, then it's not a problem letting the users browse through to their personal folders. Any ides will be much appreciated. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From dgough at papcs.com Fri Feb 18 17:05:31 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:05:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tech to PC ratios? Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032BD9728@xms.papcs.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Baillie Sent: February 17, 2005 10:30 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Tech to PC ratios? I did a little research and my very rough estimates in K12 environment for computer to tech ratio seems to be about 150 per tech (Windows and Mac) with the edge going to Mac. 1. Is 1:150 the norm for Windows and Macs? > We have 350 Windows workstations, 4 Macs, and 3 Linux servers, and 8 Windows 2003 servers. We have one 1/2 time (theoretically) systems admin who takes care of the servers. I am full-time support for workstations, and I have a helper who works 24 hours per week, helping me with the workstations, and doing some development work as well. Sometimes the teacher who is in charge of technology curriculum development rolls up his sleeves and gets into the workstation fray, as well. This is just barely enough person power to keep on top of things. 2. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for Windows or Mac? > Windows is a support hog, unless you can run pure XP Pro, with new software. In our school, we are running XP Pro, but we have to make some pretty old and clunky hardware and software work with it. I would prefer to have 2 full time techs for workstations, and one full time sysadmin for the number of systems we have. 3. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for K12LTSP desktops per Tech. > Because K12LTSP is a terminal server solution, you should be able to get it all done with one knowledgeable Linux tech, and maybe some extra help to get the terminals configured and the servers, switches etc in place when your setting it all up. We run one lab on Windows 2003 Terminal Server, with PXES running from the hard drives on a bunch of old K6-2 400MHz workstations. I never have to work on the terminals, because there is really nothing that goes wrong on them. The Windows 2003 Terminal Server is another story..... 4. How detailed does this line of questioning have to be in order to become meaningful in regards to highlighting the benefits of K12LTSP > you just need to gather lots of anecdotal evidence, since accurate stats will be hard to get. John > Doug Gough Computer Services Pacific Academy _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 17:16:18 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:16:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] how to VNC into 4.2.0 server? Message-ID: <20050218171618.14770.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> how can i VNC into a 4.2.0 server? what do i need to open up in the firewall to make this happen? i'm assuming the problem is in the firewall... is this correct? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 18 17:56:07 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:56:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tech to PC ratios? In-Reply-To: <8D614E74-81BE-11D9-88C9-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <8D614E74-81BE-11D9-88C9-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <42162C37.6070508@paasda.org> I am 1:100 and I stay busy(50-60hrs/month)... But I only found out about deepfreeze at the FETC last month... This is going to be a lifesaver and a timesaver... This school has mac/windows/novell/k12ltsp...and downtime(something doesn't work) on a 365 day cycle is usually 3 days cummulative, a couple hours here and there... but 99% of the time it is only on the student server(k12ltsp) when I tweak a setting that fubars me =)... but now thanks to BackupPC(Les is all over it)...I can tweak away all I want and just restore files I mess up... since I usually don't hear about it until the next day or two(not fulltime employee)... --Huck Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >> 1. Is 1:150 the norm for Windows and Macs? >> 2. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for Windows or Mac? >> 3. What do you believe is an optimal ratio for K12LTSP desktops per >> Tech. >> 4. How detailed does this line of questioning have to be in order to >> become meaningful in regards to highlighting the benefits of K12LTSP >> > > 1) I'd say 1:150 would be a dream. I think that's low. I'm the tech > for two schools Mac and some Windows where the computers total about 500+ > So my ratio is 1:500-ish. I have one small K12LTSP lab in a science > classroom where one beefy PC runs 10 clients. I know techs in other > school systems here in North Carolina, USA that have ratios closer to > 1:1000. (thank God for DeepFreeze, eh?) > > 2) I'd say the optimal ratio (meaning practically no downtime) for > Windows or Mac is probably about where you are, but 1:250 isn't bad. > > 3) Probably higher. But optimal?... I guess it all depends on what > kind of servers one has. Using high end PC's to handle each classroom > separately VS a big honking server or two handling the school. I would > make a stab at 1:750 (meaning 3 schools with big honking servers) It > would be good if folks who have big K12LTSP installations could chime > in on this. > > 4) Not sure. > > Peace, > Jimmy > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 18:11:41 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Freezing In-Reply-To: <42160E40.8090207@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20050218181141.14078.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> No commas in the crontab file (at least not in mine). Here is a sample that I pulled from "man crontab". In my crontab file, the 6th field is usually "root" -- the user whose account will run the specified command. This sample seems to indicate that specifying the user is optional. Hmmm. The ">> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1" part means to send all output, errors and otherwise, to a file: $HOME/tmp/out -Rob # use /bin/sh to run commands, overriding the default set by cron SHELL=/bin/sh # mail any output to `paul', no matter whose crontab this is MAILTO=paul # # run five minutes after midnight, every day 5 0 * * * $HOME/bin/daily.job >> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1 # run at 2:15pm on the first of every month -- output mailed to paul 15 14 1 * * $HOME/bin/monthly # run at 10 pm on weekdays, annoy Joe 0 22 * * 1-5 mail -s "It's 10pm" joe%Joe,%%Where are your kids?% 23 0-23/2 * * * echo "run 23 minutes after midn, 2am, 4am ..., everyday" 5 4 * * sun echo "run at 5 after 4 every sunday" --- Brandon Kovach wrote: > This will be my first effort at cron, so please > confirm that this is how > the cron file should be setup. > > 0, 23, *, *, 1-5, del /tmp/*.* > > Then I would name the file tmpremove.cron > > Then I would do a crontab -l to make sure I had no > files of the same name. > > Then I would crontab tmpremove.cron to activate the > file. > > Is this all correct? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 18:22:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:22:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: <1108740122.4216081ac58a9@msad41.us> Message-ID: <20050218182225.47201.qmail@web90101.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I think somebody else asked this same question either this morning or yesterday. You could check the archives for an answer. https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ -2 minutes goes by- Well, I was curious so I looked for myself and I found it: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-February/msg00766.html -Rob --- "John T. Leonard" wrote: > Hi all....could someone tell me how to make sure > which NIC in my K12LTSP boxes > is serving DHCP....After a reboot of one server I'm > now getting bogus IPs on my > Ibooks....John > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From johnny at msad41.us Fri Feb 18 18:25:27 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: <20050218182225.47201.qmail@web90101.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218182225.47201.qmail@web90101.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108751127.4216331715c0d@msad41.us> Quoting Rob Owens : > I think somebody else asked this same question either > this morning or yesterday. You could check the > archives for an answer. > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ > > -2 minutes goes by- > > Well, I was curious so I looked for myself and I found > it: > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-February/msg00766.html > > -Rob > > --- "John T. Leonard" wrote: > > > Hi all....could someone tell me how to make sure > > which NIC in my K12LTSP boxes > > is serving DHCP....After a reboot of one server I'm > > now getting bogus IPs on my > > Ibooks....John > > > > John T. Leonard > > Technology Coordinator > > MSAD No. 41 > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks Rob....I had seen that....after some further investigaiton, for whatever reason, in my /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file there was no parameter set to DHCPDARGS=....I put in eth0, restarted DHCP and hopefully all is well now..would that be the only entry I would need to check though......thank you..... John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Fri Feb 18 18:31:59 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:31:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] how to VNC into 4.2.0 server? Message-ID: <20050218.MLd.37898200@192.168.10.16> When I need to see a desktop on a remote server I do it via ssh ssh -C -l ronf hostname.k12.mt.us -L 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 that forwards the correct ports for a vnc connection. Then on my laptop I do a vncviewer localhost and the remote desktop loads via the ssh connection. No need to open any additional ports other than 22 for the ssh connection. richard ingalls (aslansreturn at yahoo.com) wrote: > > how can i VNC into a 4.2.0 server? what do i need to > open up in the firewall to make this happen? i'm > assuming the problem is in the firewall... is this correct? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. 406.491.3378 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 18:35:56 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] how to VNC into 4.2.0 server? In-Reply-To: <20050218.MLd.37898200@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <20050218183557.74351.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ron Freidel wrote: > When I need to see a desktop on a remote server I do > it via ssh > > ssh -C -l ronf hostname.k12.mt.us -L > 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 > > that forwards the correct ports for a vnc > connection. Then on my laptop I do a > > vncviewer localhost > and the remote desktop loads via the ssh connection. > > No need to open any additional ports other than 22 > for the ssh connection. > > richard ingalls (aslansreturn at yahoo.com) wrote: > > > > how can i VNC into a 4.2.0 server? what do i need > to > > open up in the firewall to make this happen? i'm > > assuming the problem is in the firewall... is this > correct? > > that's a cool trick! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 18 18:39:29 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:39:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ol' Billy's getting worried! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Bryant Patten wrote: > a friend just forwarded this along to me... apologies if it has already > been posted here > > Bryant > ---- > > Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site > > Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM > from the they-could-use-some dept. > IamTheRealMike writes > > "In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy > initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this summer onwards all users > of > Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate using either an ActiveX > control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo Puoti, a Wine > developer, > discovered that the validation tool checks directly for Wine and bails > out > with a generic error when found. This is significant as it's not only > the > first time Microsoft has actively discriminated against users running > their > programs via Wine, but it's also the first time they've broken radio > silence > on the project." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 18 19:07:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:07:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050218152123.42752.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218152123.42752.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108753640.14710.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:21, Rob Owens wrote: > I'll try swapping the NIC tonight. My only other > option for a dhcp server is my Linksys router. One quirky thing can happen if your switch is slow to activate a port due to the time it takes to go though spanning-tree negotiations. If timing is just right (wrong?) the client may do its dhcp request while the switch port is down, then time out and reset its own NIC before the retry, triggering the switch to run spanning tree again. You can usually tell if this is happening by watching the switch port lights - or plug the client directly into the server nic with a crossover cable to test. If you have a managed switch you may be able to set the port to forward during negotiations. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 18 19:08:04 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:08:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42163D14.4030804@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> he should be. Doug Simpson wrote: >Ol' Billy's getting worried! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Bryant Patten wrote: > > > >>a friend just forwarded this along to me... apologies if it has already >>been posted here >> >>Bryant >>---- >> >>Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site >> >>Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM >>from the they-could-use-some dept. >>IamTheRealMike writes >> >>"In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy >>initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this summer onwards all users >>of >>Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate using either an ActiveX >>control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo Puoti, a Wine >>developer, >>discovered that the validation tool checks directly for Wine and bails >>out >>with a generic error when found. This is significant as it's not only >>the >>first time Microsoft has actively discriminated against users running >>their >>programs via Wine, but it's also the first time they've broken radio >>silence >>on the project." >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 19:25:39 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: <1108751127.4216331715c0d@msad41.us> Message-ID: <20050218192539.79314.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I really don't know much about dhcp -- I only remembered seeing somebody else posting a solution. Maybe somebody else on the list can help. -Rob --- "John T. Leonard" wrote: > Thanks Rob....I had seen that....after some further > investigaiton, for whatever > reason, in my /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file there was no > parameter set to > DHCPDARGS=....I put in eth0, restarted DHCP and > hopefully all is well now..would > that be the only entry I would need to check > though......thank you..... > John > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 18 19:28:36 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:28:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > Ol' Billy's getting worried! surprise it took him this long to figure out how to do it. bet the "hack" around it is ready in less than a week!!! Bob > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Bryant Patten wrote: > > > a friend just forwarded this along to me... apologies if it has already > > been posted here > > > > Bryant > > ---- > > > > Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site > > > > Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM > > from the they-could-use-some dept. > > IamTheRealMike writes > > > > "In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy > > initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this summer onwards all users > > of > > Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate using either an ActiveX > > control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo Puoti, a Wine > > developer, > > discovered that the validation tool checks directly for Wine and bails > > out > > with a generic error when found. This is significant as it's not only > > the > > first time Microsoft has actively discriminated against users running > > their > > programs via Wine, but it's also the first time they've broken radio > > silence > > on the project." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 19:29:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:29:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050218192916.90438.qmail@web90109.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I'm a little confused about this. Does this only apply to Microsoft software that you download from them? (In other words, a purchased cd copy of their software is not affected)? I didn't even realize that Microsoft had any software available for downloading. -Rob --- Bryant Patten wrote: > a friend just forwarded this along to me... > apologies if it has already > been posted here > > Bryant > ---- > > Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site > > Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM > from the they-could-use-some dept. > IamTheRealMike writes > > "In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy > initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this > summer onwards all users > of > Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate > using either an ActiveX > control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo > Puoti, a Wine > developer, > discovered that the validation tool checks directly > for Wine and bails > out > with a generic error when found. This is significant > as it's not only > the > first time Microsoft has actively discriminated > against users running > their > programs via Wine, but it's also the first time > they've broken radio > silence > on the project." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 19:31:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <1108753640.14710.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050218193125.8324.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I think the crossover cable will be coming out this weekend, too... Thanks for the ideas. The network cables actually run through both a hub and a router-acting-as-a-switch. I've been wondering if that was a source of my trouble but it was only superstition because I had no real ideas as to why it might cause a problem. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:21, Rob Owens wrote: > > I'll try swapping the NIC tonight. My only other > > option for a dhcp server is my Linksys router. > > One quirky thing can happen if your switch is slow > to activate > a port due to the time it takes to go though > spanning-tree > negotiations. If timing is just right (wrong?) the > client > may do its dhcp request while the switch port is > down, then > time out and reset its own NIC before the retry, > triggering > the switch to run spanning tree again. You can > usually tell > if this is happening by watching the switch port > lights - or > plug the client directly into the server nic with a > crossover > cable to test. If you have a managed switch you may > be able > to set the port to forward during negotiations. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Feb 18 20:18:00 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:18:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon, or why I can stop complaining and learn to love gconf Message-ID: <1108757880.24416.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> GNOME desktop profile editing, coming soon, to a desktop near you: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 18 20:52:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:52:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050218193125.8324.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218193125.8324.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108759922.21760.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:31, Rob Owens wrote: > I think the crossover cable will be coming out this > weekend, too... > > Thanks for the ideas. > > The network cables actually run through both a hub and > a router-acting-as-a-switch. I've been wondering if > that was a source of my trouble but it was only > superstition because I had no real ideas as to why it > might cause a problem. If your router-acting-as-switch is actually one of those NAT/DHCP gateways, you need to disable it's dhcp server or you will have a race for which one answers the client and if the router wins you won't get the options you need for the next client steps. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pjdavison at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 21:31:40 2005 From: pjdavison at gmail.com (Phil Davison) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:31:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Boot Problem Message-ID: <970af85905021813313f5afe39@mail.gmail.com> After correcting an error in the dhcpd.conf for the default gateway the error message on the client has changed. The new meessage is at the end of the PXE boot is: Running dhcpcd on port 67 Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254 e100:eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex mount: RPC: Timed out mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid arguement ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! --Any ideas? Thanks, Phil From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Feb 18 21:45:39 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/dansguardian/squidguard Message-ID: <14313743.1108763140005.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> I have successfully got Webmin running, along with Squid, and Apache. I installed the Squidguard and Dansguardian modules and now I'm stuck. When I access Dansguardian at http://server.ltsp:10000/dansguardian/ I get this at the top of the screen: ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was not found! Please check your module config! Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian Expected conf file path: /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf Any ideas? With Squidguard, I cannot download the blacklists. When I go to http://server.ltsp:10000/squidguard/ everything appears to work, but when I go to https://server.ltsp:10000/squidguard/get_blacklists.cgi and select dowload from squidguard.org, it tells me: Downloading failed : Failed to lookup IP address for ftp.ost.eltele.no Any ideas on this one? I had some problem with students getting through the dansguardian on my ipcop machine, so I have decided to double up the content filtering. Will this work? I really have to eliminate any access to pornography, soft or hard. Thanks for any advice. Will From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Feb 18 22:11:42 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:11:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to VNC into 4.2.0 server? In-Reply-To: <20050218183557.74351.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050218183557.74351.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4216681E.5080606@saskforestcentre.ca> richard ingalls wrote: >--- Ron Freidel wrote: > > > >>When I need to see a desktop on a remote server I do >>it via ssh >> >>ssh -C -l ronf hostname.k12.mt.us -L >>5900:127.0.0.1:5900 >> >>that forwards the correct ports for a vnc >>connection. Then on my laptop I do a >> >>vncviewer localhost >>and the remote desktop loads via the ssh connection. >> >>No need to open any additional ports other than 22 >>for the ssh connection. >> >>richard ingalls (aslansreturn at yahoo.com) wrote: >> >> >>>how can i VNC into a 4.2.0 server? what do i need >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>open up in the firewall to make this happen? i'm >>>assuming the problem is in the firewall... is this >>> >>> >>correct? >> >> > >that's a cool trick! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Cooler yet: vncviewer -via my.host.here.ca localhost:0 the -via parameter sets up a ssh session to deal with the tunnelling. If you have keys and so on set up, then this produces a vncviewer window with minimal user intervention. Angus. From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 22:19:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <1108759922.21760.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050218221915.71683.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Progress! The crossover cable has fixed a lot of things, but I'm still not there yet. I just tried taking the hub out of the picture and things are still looking good, so the hub was my connection problem. Dumb question: Do hubs have IP addresses? I need to get a hub in there that works in order to avoid major rewiring. Is there something special I need to look for so it will be "compatible" with my router? With the hub out of the circuit, booting up shows an error "syslog cannot write to remote file handle on192.168.2.2:514" (space omitted on purpose). 192.168.2.2 is my server. I'll be googling. If you know the answer off the top of your head, please let me know. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:31, Rob Owens wrote: > > I think the crossover cable will be coming out > this > > weekend, too... > > > > Thanks for the ideas. > > > > The network cables actually run through both a hub > and > > a router-acting-as-a-switch. I've been wondering > if > > that was a source of my trouble but it was only > > superstition because I had no real ideas as to why > it > > might cause a problem. > > If your router-acting-as-switch is actually one of > those > NAT/DHCP gateways, you need to disable it's dhcp > server > or you will have a race for which one answers the > client > and if the router wins you won't get the options you > need for the next client steps. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 18 23:57:32 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:57:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <1108753640.14710.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050218152123.42752.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <1108753640.14710.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <421680EC.2080702@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:21, Rob Owens wrote: > > >>I'll try swapping the NIC tonight. My only other >>option for a dhcp server is my Linksys router. >> >> > >One quirky thing can happen if your switch is slow to activate >a port due to the time it takes to go though spanning-tree >negotiations. If timing is just right (wrong?) the client >may do its dhcp request while the switch port is down, then >time out and reset its own NIC before the retry, triggering >the switch to run spanning tree again. You can usually tell >if this is happening by watching the switch port lights - or >plug the client directly into the server nic with a crossover >cable to test. If you have a managed switch you may be able >to set the port to forward during negotiations. > > > Yes, we found that out with G4 boxes running OS X. On the Catalysts, you've got to pretty much issue every command that stops just about every kind of autonegotiation except for 10/100 and duplex. Otherwise, you see exactly what Les describes above. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 19 00:01:53 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:01:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050218221915.71683.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218221915.71683.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421681F1.4030202@cmosnetworks.com> There were a few "managed hubs" made in the past, but today everything's pretty much switches. The only reason a hub or switch would need an IP address is if it allows you to telnet into it and make configuration changes (duplex, port speed, etc.). The cheapie $40 NetGear or LinkSys switches do not have IP addresses. As for the IP addressing scheme: 192.168.0.0/24 is the default for K12LTSP. Have you done any special tweaks from the default on this server, including but not limited to, say, /etc/dhcpd.conf? --TP Rob Owens wrote: >Progress! > >The crossover cable has fixed a lot of things, but I'm >still not there yet. > >I just tried taking the hub out of the picture and >things are still looking good, so the hub was my >connection problem. Dumb question: Do hubs have IP >addresses? I need to get a hub in there that works in >order to avoid major rewiring. Is there something >special I need to look for so it will be "compatible" >with my router? > >With the hub out of the circuit, booting up shows an >error "syslog cannot write to remote file handle >on192.168.2.2:514" (space omitted on purpose). >192.168.2.2 is my server. > >I'll be googling. If you know the answer off the top >of your head, please let me know. > >-Rob > >--- Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:31, Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >>>I think the crossover cable will be coming out >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>weekend, too... >>> >>>Thanks for the ideas. >>> >>>The network cables actually run through both a hub >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>a router-acting-as-a-switch. I've been wondering >>> >>> >>if >> >> >>>that was a source of my trouble but it was only >>>superstition because I had no real ideas as to why >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>might cause a problem. >>> >>> >>If your router-acting-as-switch is actually one of >>those >>NAT/DHCP gateways, you need to disable it's dhcp >>server >>or you will have a race for which one answers the >>client >>and if the router wins you won't get the options you >>need for the next client steps. >> >>-- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 19 00:06:33 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:06:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Helping out at the ltsp booth at Linux World In-Reply-To: <00c401c51521$2003c830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00c401c51521$2003c830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42168309.9020401@cmosnetworks.com> I would love to; if it's ever a little closer to the Washington, DC area, I'd so be there. Baastan's a little far for me at this point, unfortunately. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I just wanted to take the time to let everyone know that if they have >never volunteered some of their time to help at the ltsp booth or any >other open source initiative, they should. > >I have to say I have never met a better group of people working >together. It is an excellent experience that really helps you >understand how the open source community works and is able to exist. > >I always have people say "Sure it is free now, but what about in 2 >years?", or "What kind of people would actually develop software for >free, and why?". I really wish those people could witness what I did >over the last few days so they could truly understand. > >Thanks again guys for all of the information I gathered from you and for >your dedication. I myself now have a much better understanding of the >open source community and am more dedicated now then ever to help >support it. And funds and time permitting I hope to see you all at >future events. > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 00:09:07 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/dansguardian/squidguard In-Reply-To: <14313743.1108763140005.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050219000907.37492.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Will Hatch wrote: > I have successfully got Webmin running, along with > Squid, and Apache. I installed the Squidguard and > Dansguardian modules and now I'm stuck. When I > access Dansguardian at > http://server.ltsp:10000/dansguardian/ I get this at > the top of the screen: > > ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was > not found! Please check your module config! > Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian > Expected conf file path: > /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf > > Any ideas? > > With Squidguard, I cannot download the blacklists. > When I go to http://server.ltsp:10000/squidguard/ > everything appears to work, but when I go to > https://server.ltsp:10000/squidguard/get_blacklists.cgi > and select dowload from squidguard.org, it tells > me: > > Downloading failed : Failed to lookup IP address for > ftp.ost.eltele.no > > Any ideas on this one? > > I had some problem with students getting through the > dansguardian on my ipcop machine, so I have decided > to double up the content filtering. Will this work? > I really have to eliminate any access to > pornography, soft or hard. Thanks for any advice. > > Will will - i use DansGuardian version 2.4.6, even though there are newer versions available BECAUSE it is compatible with the DG module in webmin. when i found out that newer versions weren't supported yet in webmin, then i decided NOT to upgrade. maybe you should get an older DG rpm (2.4.x), then try the adding the DG module to webmin. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 19 00:14:26 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:14:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: <20050218192916.90438.qmail@web90109.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218192916.90438.qmail@web90109.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421684E2.3050103@cmosnetworks.com> If this is true, then the European Commission should be informed about this, and pronto. The European Union is still waffling on whether or not they will accept or reject software patents. The acceptance of them is pushed by, of course, Microsoft and friends. The first time Microsoft got caught (emphasis on "got caught") doing this was with Windows 3.1 and DR-DOS, back when Caldera was still nice. --TP Rob Owens wrote: >I'm a little confused about this. Does this only >apply to Microsoft software that you download from >them? (In other words, a purchased cd copy of their >software is not affected)? I didn't even realize that >Microsoft had any software available for downloading. > >-Rob > >--- Bryant Patten wrote: > > > >>a friend just forwarded this along to me... >>apologies if it has already >>been posted here >> >>Bryant >>---- >> >>Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site >> >>Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM >>from the they-could-use-some dept. >>IamTheRealMike writes >> >>"In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy >>initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this >>summer onwards all users >>of >>Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate >>using either an ActiveX >>control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo >>Puoti, a Wine >>developer, >>discovered that the validation tool checks directly >>for Wine and bails >>out >>with a generic error when found. This is significant >>as it's not only >>the >>first time Microsoft has actively discriminated >>against users running >>their >>programs via Wine, but it's also the first time >>they've broken radio >>silence >>on the project." >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 19 00:48:20 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:48:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <421681F1.4030202@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20050218221915.71683.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <421681F1.4030202@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <746026cd42edd229f1970edf4da0e042@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There is one advantage to hubs over switches, in my experience. You can connect a DSL modem and a number of computers to a hub, but not a switch. IIRC the DSL modem doesn't have it's own IP, so using a switch causes problems. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIWjNQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQB0wCfZmEajZlWgR4C9uhZa8QtNtre F5EAn2kb0ILIZSt5+36IfxYmS218ybKU =FEDL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 00:52:26 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:52:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <421681F1.4030202@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050219005226.55955.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> The hub in question is a linksys from about 1998. It's mounted in an out-of-the-way location so I can't see a model #, but it's got an "uplink" port if that means anything to you. It worked in the past, but since then I've added a router and changed my subnet. The system I'm working on right now is not a K12LTSP system. It's my home system running Mandrake w/ ltsp on top. It's all I have available to practice on before I approach our local school about running K12LTSP. I got my system working with ltsp a few minutes ago, but it still needs tweaking. Right now I need to get the display manager to offer a point-and-click list of users at the login screen to make things easy on the others at home who use this computer. I've gotta use the terminal for a while and see if anything's broken... Thanks for the help. -Rob --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > There were a few "managed hubs" made in the past, > but today everything's > pretty much switches. The only reason a hub or > switch would need an IP > address is if it allows you to telnet into it and > make configuration > changes (duplex, port speed, etc.). The cheapie $40 > NetGear or LinkSys > switches do not have IP addresses. > > As for the IP addressing scheme: 192.168.0.0/24 is > the default for > K12LTSP. Have you done any special tweaks from the > default on this > server, including but not limited to, say, > /etc/dhcpd.conf? > > --TP > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 00:54:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <746026cd42edd229f1970edf4da0e042@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20050219005430.59867.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> My DSL modem from Sprint (New Jersey) has its own IP address, but I had to get rid of that feature in order to use it w/ my router. The router was interpreting certain legitimate traffic from the DSL modem as a d.o.s. attack. -Rob --- Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > There is one advantage to hubs over switches, in my > experience. You can > connect a DSL modem and a number of computers to a > hub, but not a > switch. IIRC the DSL modem doesn't have it's own IP, > so using a switch > causes problems. > Someone correct me if I'm wrong. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkIWjNQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQB0wCfZmEajZlWgR4C9uhZa8QtNtre > F5EAn2kb0ILIZSt5+36IfxYmS218ybKU > =FEDL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sat Feb 19 01:56:25 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:56:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42169CC9.8060605@comcast.net> Bryant Patten wrote: > a friend just forwarded this along to me... apologies if it has already > been posted here > > Bryant > ---- > > Microsoft Blocking Wine Users From Downloads Site > > Posted by Zonk on Thursday February 17, @09:34AM > from the they-could-use-some dept. > IamTheRealMike writes > > "In January, Microsoft announced a new anti-piracy > initiative called Genuine Advantage. From this summer onwards all users of > Microsoft Downloads will be required to validate using either an ActiveX > control or a standalone tool. Yesterday Ivan Leo Puoti, a Wine developer, > discovered that the validation tool checks directly for Wine and bails out > with a generic error when found. This is significant as it's not only the > first time Microsoft has actively discriminated against users running their > programs via Wine, but it's also the first time they've broken radio > silence > on the project." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I have no reason to doubt the potential truth of this, but has it appeared on any major news or tech sites? Because until it does it's got "urban legend" written all over it. From robark at telus.net Sat Feb 19 02:13:34 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:13:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft and Wine In-Reply-To: <42169CC9.8060605@comcast.net> References: <42169CC9.8060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4216A0CE.5020900@telus.net> Brian Beck wrote: > > I have no reason to doubt the potential truth of this, but has it > appeared on any major news or tech sites? Because until it does it's > got "urban legend" written all over it. > It's from a slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/17/1318212&tid=125&tid=109&tid=106 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 19 03:02:15 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:02:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: <20050219005430.59867.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050219005430.59867.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Was it a private or public IP address. I know that DSL modems have private IP addresses too, (I've seen the techs use them) but I don't know enough about them to understand the networking implications. I always visualized the DSL modem as more like an low-level signal device, rather than something with an IP. However, my understanding of networking isn't as good as it should be, so maybe thats the problem. On Feb 18, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > My DSL modem from Sprint (New Jersey) has its own IP > address, but I had to get rid of that feature in order > to use it w/ my router. The router was interpreting > certain legitimate traffic from the DSL modem as a > d.o.s. attack. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIWrDcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQIkACfZXLnPFNjb4nTvqgdFdlnLgbL R8MAn34ZXbeeeN1mQrvTV58MSdUdK8af =iShn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tuxnician at execulink.com Sat Feb 19 03:22:03 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:22:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using webmin in 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20050217195435.84079.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050217195435.84079.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4216B0DB.30806@execulink.com> Richard, I ran into the same problem. You have to set your firewall to allow port 10000 on the outside nic. I believe by default pretty much everything is blocked by the firewall. Jason From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 05:40:34 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:40:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is there a remaster function? Message-ID: <1761a098050218214045d809a1@mail.gmail.com> I thought I saw a remaster function somewhere in K12 but I can't seem to find it. Is there one or am I thinking of another Linux build? -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 10:37:04 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:37:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; Message-ID: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear All, I'm running the DHCP server with different port. It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf no impact, when the client boot the process. option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; I've read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t I've created customize the ROM image to run on port 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). on the system(K12LTSP)server: #ps -ef|grep 1067 root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q eth0 on the client screen: Loading room image... Rom Segment .... Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 Relocating _text ... Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? ... ... ... Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? ERROR! dhcpcd failed! kernel panic:.... One thing that I haven't try is to compile the kernel. Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? Thanks ~Pap __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 19 10:42:21 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 04:42:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The client's listening port doesn't matter, your SERVER needs to be set up to listen (and your firewall to allow the traffic) on 1067 though for this to work. On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:37 AM, Putu Agus wrote: > Dear All, > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > no impact, when the client boot the process. > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've read > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ > DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q eth0 > > on the client screen: > Loading room image... > Rom Segment .... > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > Relocating _text ... > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > ... > ... > ... > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > kernel panic:.... > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the kernel. > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > Thanks > ~Pap > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIXGA0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSMnACeLQJ8j8UDcGrTFdeyCZKrddh1 ixwAn2YZmpRZZEPlL0+c6am1xtvZtXuU =Du3h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 10:53:30 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:53:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050219105330.72237.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> firewall is disable. here's my server listening: #netstat -an|grep ":1067" udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1067 0.0.0.0:* #rpcinfo -p localhost program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100024 1 udp 32768 status 100024 1 tcp 32769 status 100011 1 udp 949 rquotad 100011 2 udp 949 rquotad 100011 1 tcp 952 rquotad 100011 2 tcp 952 rquotad 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs 100003 4 udp 2049 nfs 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs 100021 1 udp 32772 nlockmgr 100021 3 udp 32772 nlockmgr 100021 4 udp 32772 nlockmgr 100021 1 tcp 32770 nlockmgr 100021 3 tcp 32770 nlockmgr 100021 4 tcp 32770 nlockmgr 100005 1 udp 970 mountd 100005 1 tcp 973 mountd 100005 2 udp 970 mountd 100005 2 tcp 973 mountd 100005 3 udp 970 mountd 100005 3 tcp 973 mountd Is there missing ? Regards ~pap --- Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The client's listening port doesn't matter, your > SERVER needs to be set > up to listen (and your firewall to allow the > traffic) on 1067 though > for this to work. > > On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:37 AM, Putu Agus wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've read > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ > > DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on > port > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > eth0 > > > > on the client screen: > > Loading room image... > > Rom Segment .... > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and > 1068 > > Relocating _text ... > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 > ? > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > kernel. > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > Thanks > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkIXGA0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSMnACeLQJ8j8UDcGrTFdeyCZKrddh1 > ixwAn2YZmpRZZEPlL0+c6am1xtvZtXuU > =Du3h > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 19 12:27:06 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:27:06 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 Message-ID: <200502191126.j1JBQuv06873@downeast.net> option option-128 code 128=string; option option-129 code 129=text; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; sounds like after kernel loads and goes to dhcp the second time it is not picking up your DPORT statement..Assuming dhcpd 3 do you have all these lines? chuck > firewall is disable. > here's my server listening: > #netstat -an|grep ":1067" > udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1067 0.0.0.0:* > #rpcinfo -p localhost > program vers proto port > 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper > 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper > 100024 1 udp 32768 status > 100024 1 tcp 32769 status > 100011 1 udp 949 rquotad > 100011 2 udp 949 rquotad > 100011 1 tcp 952 rquotad > 100011 2 tcp 952 rquotad > 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs > 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs > 100003 4 udp 2049 nfs > 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs > 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs > 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs > 100021 1 udp 32772 nlockmgr > 100021 3 udp 32772 nlockmgr > 100021 4 udp 32772 nlockmgr > 100021 1 tcp 32770 nlockmgr > 100021 3 tcp 32770 nlockmgr > 100021 4 tcp 32770 nlockmgr > 100005 1 udp 970 mountd > 100005 1 tcp 973 mountd > 100005 2 udp 970 mountd > 100005 2 tcp 973 mountd > 100005 3 udp 970 mountd > 100005 3 tcp 973 mountd > > Is there missing ? > > Regards > ~pap > > > --- Burke Almquist > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > The client's listening port doesn't matter, your > > SERVER needs to be set > > up to listen (and your firewall to allow the > > traffic) on 1067 though > > for this to work. > > > > On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:37 AM, Putu Agus wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > > > I've read > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ > > > DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on > > port > > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > > eth0 > > > > > > on the client screen: > > > Loading room image... > > > Rom Segment .... > > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and > > 1068 > > > Relocating _text ... > > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > > ... > > > ... > > > ... > > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 > > ? > > > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > > kernel. > > > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > > viruses. > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkIXGA0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSMnACeLQJ8j8UDcGrTFdeyCZKrddh1 > > ixwAn2YZmpRZZEPlL0+c6am1xtvZtXuU > > =Du3h > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 19 13:03:16 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:03:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050219105330.72237.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050219105330.72237.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2fbaa87d8eae6a2932fe7406cdde59d0@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't see dhcpd running. What does ps -e say? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIXORQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQuAgCdHpj7vX3CVRm/ap4hE9m1kHNR NuUAn0LdjCTlv1j+VKL5R2sWKf4/m/ra =OelX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jam at mcquil.com Sat Feb 19 15:25:12 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:25:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pap, You also need to include option-128. It should look like this: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; The value for option-128 is a special 'Etherboot signature', NOT a mac address. If you put the lines in your dhcpd.conf file exactly as I've shown above, it should then pass the DPORT parameter on to the kernel and initrd. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > Dear All, > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > no impact, when the client boot the process. > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've read > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q eth0 > > on the client screen: > Loading room image... > Rom Segment .... > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > Relocating _text ... > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > ... > ... > ... > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > kernel panic:.... > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the kernel. > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > Thanks > ~Pap > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Feb 19 17:13:06 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:13:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld wrap-up Message-ID: I'm finally back from the long trip to Boston, where we had one of the best Linux World shows ever. When I heard last year that the east coast Linux World was moving out of New York City and up to Boston, I wasn't very excited about it. I have always enjoyed our trips to NYC. But, when I got to Boston last friday, and started to look around at the venue and the surrounding area, I began to see the benefits of having Linux World there. Boston really is a great city. The show was Tuesday through Thursday, and the LTSP.org booth was crowded just about the entire time. In fact, the LTSP.org booth has become known as the most crowded booth in the .Org pavilion, and this year was no different. With the help of HP, we were able to provide thin clients to other booths in the .Org area, including: Gnome, KDE, Fedora, OpenOffice.org, Etherboot and X.org. We were running Ubuntu on our server, so it didn't make sense for the Fedora booth to be connected to our server, but all of the other booths connected to our server, and everybody was amazed at the performance. Aside from the 6 other booths that were LTSP-Powered, we also had 4 thin clients in our booth, including an Apple iBook. Thanks to Chuck Liebow, Jim Kronebusch and Bill Cavilieri for getting the PPC support working. It has been a tradition at Linux World shows that we have something we call the 'LTSP Dinner'. This year was a bit different, because Marty Connor (Etherboot developer, Rom-o-matic creator) is from Cambridge, MA and he wanted to organize the event. Well, he took it to the next level, and ended up with a huge .Org party with more than 100 people, and he even managed to get it sponsored by Google. So, everybody ate and drank and had a great time. I think this might become a regular event at Linux Worlds. We'll be doing this all again in San Francisco in August, so if you want to be part of it, stay tuned. I'll be putting out the call for volunteers probably in early June. So, thanks to everyone who helped make this one of the best shows ever. There's no way we could do this without the awesome help we get from everybody who shows up, and I really appreciate the fact that people take time out of their busy schedule and help out. I hope to see you all again either in San Fran, or next year back in Boston. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jam at mcquil.com Sat Feb 19 18:23:34 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:23:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Photos from Linux World Message-ID: I've got my photos from Linux World up on the web. The pictures are mostly from the .Org party. Here's the link: http://www.mcquillansystems.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=LinuxWorldExpo_Boston_2005 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From wescott at sc.rr.com Sat Feb 19 18:48:32 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 19 Feb 2005 13:48:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron & crontab (was Re: Presentation Freezing) In-Reply-To: <20050218181141.14078.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050218181141.14078.qmail@web90105.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1108838911.11422.98.camel@eriadne> cron(8) is a program designed to run other programs periodically. It is controlled by some configuration files called "crontabs" that come in two flavors. One type of crontab file lives as /etc/crontab or as a file in the /etc/cron.d directory. The second type lives in the /var/spool/cron directory and takes the name of it's owner. crontabs of the first kind have the 6th field indicating the user whose privileges with which the command will run. These crontabs should be considered as system files. Don't change them unless you really know what you are doing. The ones in /etc/cron.d are usually specific to some package. I don't see any in a k12ltsp system I've got available but my home system (Debian) shows several all associated with a particular package: ~ $ ls /etc/cron.d anacron logcheck sendmail uucp ~ $ Having a directory with a package-specific crontab makes it easy for a package to install cron entries without trying to edit one or more standard crontabs. These system crontabs can be editted with any text editor. A user (including root) should find his crontab in /var/spool/cron. These crontabs don't use the username in the sixth field since all commands in that file will be run with the user's privileges. These crontabs should be installed, removed and editted using the crontab(1) command. For details on the format see crontab(5), but briefly there are two types of lines (other than empty or comment lines). One sets an enviroment variable and looks like: ENVVAR = some value The other type has at least 6 whitespace separated fields. The first 5 determine when the command should be run. The 6th (and following) are treated as a command line and executed by a shell, much as if it had been run with /bin/sh -c "command line". The rules for exactly when to run the command can be fairly complicated so read the man page crontab(5) more than once. The current version of cron(8) is quite good about "doing the right thing" but it wasn't always so. In olden times (i.e some Unix systems) had some very interesting bugs that popped up when a command was scheduled to be run when daylight savings time changed. On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:11, Rob Owens wrote: > No commas in the crontab file (at least not in mine). A comma is a separtor within a time field but not between different fields. Whitespace is used between fields. 15,45 9-11,13-16 * * 1-5 echo "working hours" Will execute the command 'echo "working hours"' every hour at 15 and 45 minutes after the hour between 9 and 5 pm (not including a lunch break at noon) on every weekday. > Here is a sample that I pulled from "man crontab". In > my crontab file, the 6th field is usually "root" -- > the user whose account will run the specified command. Err ... no, the sixth field only shows up in the special crontabs that you really don't want to mess with. > The ">> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1" part means to send all > output, errors and otherwise, to a file: $HOME/tmp/out Close. The ">> $HOME/tmp/out" part means to append stdout (the normal output of the command) to $HOME/tmp/out. The 2>&1 part means to do to stderr (usually error messages) whatever was done to stdout. > Brandon Kovach wrote: > > This will be my first effort at cron, so please > confirm that this is how > the cron file should be setup. > 0, 23, *, *, 1-5, del /tmp/*.* Lose the commas. Don't you mean "rm" rather than "del"? And *.* will match any file with a dot in it, except those starting with a dot. I think you probably want 0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -f /tmp/* or more likely 0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -r -f /tmp/* The bad part about this kind of blanket removal of files from /tmp is that it is difficult to know when other programs, say other cron jobs, might be using /tmp. > Then I would name the file tmpremove.cron > Then I would do a crontab -l to make sure I had no > files of the same name. > Then I would crontab tmpremove.cron to activate the > file. > Is this all correct? Nope. First create a copy of your current crontab; then edit it; then install it as the new version: [root at drbob root]# crontab -l > xxx.cron [root at drbob root]# vi xxx.cron [root at drbob root]# crontab xxx.cron or combine it all into one step: [root at drbob root]# VISUAL=vi crontab -e -- Mike Wescott From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Feb 19 20:23:15 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:23:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet Message-ID: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only access the internet with a text only browser. The school has had trouble with students viewing photos and this seems like the only solution. I have been using Dansguardian with good success, but it still misses stuff. My question is: I have uninstalled all internet options but the Elinks browser. But, for some reason, Konqueror still appears in my main menu, under internet. How do I uninstall Konqueror? I have NO KDE features installed on the k12 server. Thanks for any help. -Will From ltsp at regionalservers.com Sat Feb 19 21:51:47 2005 From: ltsp at regionalservers.com (James Vasey (LTSP)) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:51:47 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet References: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001401c516cd$36bc1610$2700a8c0@main> Is there not just a way of disabling images in Dansguardian? Though making them use a text only internet does seem excessive, surely better monitoring of the childrens use would be more suitable James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Hatch" To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet >I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only access >the internet with a text only browser. The school has had trouble with >students viewing photos and this seems like the only solution. I have been >using Dansguardian with good success, but it still misses stuff. My >question is: I have uninstalled all internet options but the Elinks >browser. But, for some reason, Konqueror still appears in my main menu, >under internet. How do I uninstall Konqueror? I have NO KDE features >installed on the k12 server. Thanks for any help. -Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Feb 19 21:57:41 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:57:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet Message-ID: <23493380.1108850261534.JavaMail.root@web8.mail.adelphia.net> You might be onto something with disableing the images in dansguardian. Our school is a residential treatment center for youth sex offenders (boys). We do watch them very closely, but it doesn't seem to be enough. Its not that they have been able to get into anything they shouldn't, but they ocassionally try. We need to discourage them from even doin this. I thought a text only web browser would be a good solution. From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 00:55:11 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd and tftp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050220005511.31749.qmail@web90109.mail.scd.yahoo.com> The DSL modem has a private IP address. Basically its setup screen (which you use telnet to connect to) was very similar to a router's setup utility. In order to correct the connection problems I mentioned, a Sprint tech had me bridge the modem to my router (I think that's the proper terminology). So it now no longer has its own private IP address. -Rob --- Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Was it a private or public IP address. > I know that DSL modems have private IP addresses > too, (I've seen the > techs use them) but I don't know enough about them > to understand the > networking implications. I always visualized the DSL > modem as more like > an low-level signal device, rather than something > with an IP. > However, my understanding of networking isn't as > good as it should be, > so maybe thats the problem. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 01:01:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:01:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050220010135.25099.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I think konqueror is in a kde-base-something package, isn't it? If you can't get rid of it, is it possible to configure konqueror to only act as a file browser? -Rob --- Will Hatch wrote: > I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so > users can only access the internet with a text only > browser. The school has had trouble with students > viewing photos and this seems like the only > solution. I have been using Dansguardian with good > success, but it still misses stuff. My question is: > I have uninstalled all internet options but the > Elinks browser. But, for some reason, Konqueror > still appears in my main menu, under internet. How > do I uninstall Konqueror? I have NO KDE features > installed on the k12 server. Thanks for any help. > -Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From accessys at smart.net Sun Feb 20 02:24:53 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:24:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> References: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Will Hatch wrote: > I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only access the internet with a text only browser. The school has had trouble with students viewing photos and this seems like the only solution. I have been using Dansguardian with good success, but it still misses stuff. My question is: I have uninstalled all internet options but the Elinks browser. But, for some reason, Konqueror still appears in my main menu, under internet. How do I uninstall Konqueror? I have NO KDE features installed on the k12 server. Thanks for any help. -Will get a "Shell" account from your internet provider, only access is via unix (Linux) shell account, is usually much cheaper and it is text only, even if you try to use a graphics program you will not be able to get it from the internet provider.. your students will enjoy PINE and LYNX the usual text internet software for shell accounts, you may have to download PINE from your provider on the Univ of Washington, it is included with some Linux distros and not others. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 10:26:47 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:26:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050220102647.73403.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I've already put it in the dhpcd.conf. Yes, client now run on 1067 port. But it seems, still problem.(Kernel Panic) (No detail messages) I'm trying to find out by putting "vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"(in the dhcp.conf:- correct ? )to trace it, and it says error: "ERROR! no root-path option, check your DHCP configuration ....." for your info: Here's my dhcp.conf: default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; option routers 192.168.2.249; option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.249; option domain-name "ecogreenoleo.co.id"; option root-path "192.168.2.249:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { #range dynamic-bootp 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.2.249; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.2.249; host ws248 { hardware ethernet 00:04:75:e4:54:2a; fixed-address 192.168.2.248; #filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; } } } =========== I'm using two nic(eth0,eth1): #ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:75:E4:54:29 inet addr:192.168.2.249 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee4:5429/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:22103 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0 TX packets:16228 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2965996 (2.8 MiB) TX bytes:20313291 (19.3 MiB) Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8400 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:75:E5:D9:98 inet addr:192.168.2.101 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee5:d998/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:7228 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0 TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1138731 (1.0 MiB) TX bytes:2262 (2.2 KiB) Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:8737099 (8.3 MiB) TX bytes:8737099 (8.3 MiB) =========== Here's the message log(/var/log/messages): Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.2.248 (192.168.2.249) from 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 Regards ~Pap --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Pap, > > You also need to include option-128. It should look > like this: > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > The value for option-128 is a special 'Etherboot > signature', NOT > a mac address. > > If you put the lines in your dhcpd.conf file exactly > as I've shown > above, it should then pass the DPORT parameter on to > the kernel and > initrd. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've read > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on > port > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > eth0 > > > > on the client screen: > > Loading room image... > > Rom Segment .... > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and > 1068 > > Relocating _text ... > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 > ? > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > kernel. > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > Thanks > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 20 14:55:18 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:55:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid, configuring for k12/two nic setup? Message-ID: <000c01c5175c$327ab5e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi All, I've been racking my teeny brain trying to get squid to >actually< work on my 4.2- K12ltsp setup,to no avail. I have both squid and squidguard installed & running [ from a default install of 4.2 K12LTSP] As soon , as i enter my servers IP number in Firefox proxy settings, I .DO< get "ACCESS DENIED","contact your administrator",, so i m sure it is the server's browser is seeing the squid cache, but almost as though i don'T have something setup,correctly in the ACL list,,but i cant figure out ,,what I m missing? I've been using Webmin,,to configure Squid.conf file. Is it possible something is "broken" in webmin,,that does not create the correct squid.conf file? Webmin version is (latest) 1.180 Manully hand editing squid.conf,,is a little too heavy for me, and i have run the > squid -k parse<, tool ,to verify that the squid.conf file is at least a valid format.It does report NO errors at least! Also using Webmin to setup squidguard as well FYI. It is >obvious< I dont have a CLUE!,,,:)... We are currently using an firewall/content filtering appliance,,that is badly outdated,,and want to get squid/squidgaurd working to get, up to date a little more. Any info//heckling/laughing/useful tips,,would be greatly appreciated.... Take care, Barry R Cisna RR 1 # 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 (309) 627-2191 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Sun Feb 20 17:57:36 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:57:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050220102647.73403.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050220102647.73403.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Putu, What version of LTSP are you using? the "kitchen-sink" kernel is old, from LTSP-3, and it didn't support the DPORT variable. Jim. On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > Hi Jim, > I've already put it in the dhpcd.conf. > Yes, client now run on 1067 port. > But it seems, still problem.(Kernel Panic) > (No detail messages) > I'm trying to find out by > putting "vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"(in the > dhcp.conf:- correct ? )to trace it, and it says error: > "ERROR! no root-path option, check your DHCP > configuration ....." > > for your info: > Here's my dhcp.conf: > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; > option routers 192.168.2.249; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.249; > option domain-name "ecogreenoleo.co.id"; > option root-path "192.168.2.249:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > #range dynamic-bootp 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.2.249; > # trick from Peter Rundle > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, > 9) = "PXEClient" > { > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > # NOTE: kernels are specified in > /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > } > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > } > > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.2.249; > > host ws248 { > hardware ethernet 00:04:75:e4:54:2a; > fixed-address 192.168.2.248; > #filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > } > } > } > =========== > I'm using two nic(eth0,eth1): > #ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > 00:04:75:E4:54:29 > inet addr:192.168.2.249 Bcast:192.168.2.255 > Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee4:5429/64 > Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 > Metric:1 > RX packets:22103 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:1 frame:0 > TX packets:16228 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:2965996 (2.8 MiB) TX > bytes:20313291 (19.3 MiB) > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8400 > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > 00:04:75:E5:D9:98 > inet addr:192.168.2.101 Bcast:192.168.2.255 > Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee5:d998/64 > Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 > Metric:1 > RX packets:7228 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:1 frame:0 > TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:1138731 (1.0 MiB) TX bytes:2262 > (2.2 KiB) > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8000 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:8737099 (8.3 MiB) TX bytes:8737099 > (8.3 MiB) > =========== > Here's the message log(/var/log/messages): > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from > 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on > 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for > 192.168.2.248 (192.168.2.249) from 00:04:75:e4:54:2a > via eth0 > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPACK on > 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > > > Regards > ~Pap > > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Pap, > > > > You also need to include option-128. It should look > > like this: > > > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > > > The value for option-128 is a special 'Etherboot > > signature', NOT > > a mac address. > > > > If you put the lines in your dhcpd.conf file exactly > > as I've shown > > above, it should then pass the DPORT parameter on to > > the kernel and > > initrd. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > > > I've read > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on > > port > > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > > eth0 > > > > > > on the client screen: > > > Loading room image... > > > Rom Segment .... > > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and > > 1068 > > > Relocating _text ... > > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > > ... > > > ... > > > ... > > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 > > ? > > > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > > kernel. > > > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > > viruses. > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun Feb 20 18:30:02 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:30:02 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6F27A4C4-836D-11D9-8438-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 04:24 PM, Access Systems wrote: > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Will Hatch wrote: > >> I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only >> access the internet with a text only browser. The school has had >> trouble with students viewing photos and this seems like the only >> solution. > > get a "Shell" account from your internet provider, only access is via > unix > (Linux) shell account, is usually much cheaper and it is text only, > even > if you try to use a graphics program you will not be able to get it > from > the internet provider. Not an expert, but... 1. Aren't there ways to pass images via text files? 2. Couldn't sexually explicit text be just as bad for sex offenders? From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sun Feb 20 19:34:37 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:34:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] open source publicity Message-ID: <200502201924.j1KJOvX23907@www.mi-spot.com> Hello all, Listening to Weekend Edition this morning on National Public Radio, they had a story about Wikipedia. During the story, they also mention open source software and Linux. You can listen to it at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4506421 Next, we need to get NPR to come and do a story on how we're recycling old computers, saving money, avoiding viruses, and teaching kids all with K12LTPS. I've been planning on calling my local affiliate to show them my lab; I just haven't had the time to spare lately. Enjoy. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at litwiller.net Sun Feb 20 20:43:48 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:43:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid, configuring for k12/two nic setup? In-Reply-To: <000c01c5175c$327ab5e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000c01c5175c$327ab5e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <4218F684.6080203@litwiller.net> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been racking my teeny brain trying to get squid to >actually< > work on my 4.2- K12ltsp setup,to no avail. > I have both squid and squidguard installed & running [ from a > default install of 4.2 K12LTSP] > As soon , as i enter my servers IP number in Firefox proxy settings, > I .DO< get "ACCESS DENIED","contact your administrator",, so i m sure it > is the server's browser is seeing the squid cache, but almost as though > i don'T have something setup,correctly in the ACL list,,but i cant > figure out ,,what I m missing? > I've been using Webmin,,to configure Squid.conf file. Is it possible > something is "broken" in webmin,,that does not create the correct > squid.conf file? Webmin version is (latest) 1.180 > Manully hand editing squid.conf,,is a little too heavy for me, and i > have run the > squid -k parse<, tool ,to verify that the squid.conf > file is at least a valid format.It does report NO errors at least! > Also using Webmin to setup squidguard as well FYI. > It is >obvious< I dont have a CLUE!,,,:)... > We are currently using an firewall/content filtering appliance,,that > is badly outdated,,and want to get squid/squidgaurd working to get, up > to date a little more. > > Any info//heckling/laughing/useful tips,,would be greatly > appreciated.... > > Take care, > > Barry R Cisna > RR 1 # 213 > Gladstone, IL > 61437 > (309) 627-2191 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see If you don't mind replacing your appliance get censor.net linux from censor.net - it makse it very easy to configure dansguardian and squid. From tuxnician at execulink.com Sun Feb 20 23:51:36 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:51:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel version Message-ID: <42192288.5000300@execulink.com> Hi, I noticed that with version 4.2 of K12LTSP has kernel version 2.6.x but the clients are loaded with kernel version 2.4.x. I wonder if this will be upgraded soon? Jason From sbetts at msad71.net Mon Feb 21 00:40:32 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:40:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gimp In-Reply-To: <420B8716.60202@paasda.org> References: <420A3C8E.80303@centerusd.k12.ca.us> < > < > <1108011849.8704.9.camel@server.ltsp> <420B8716.60202@paasda.org> Message-ID: Does anyone serve GIMP with success? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From ptagus99 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 00:53:47 2005 From: ptagus99 at yahoo.com (Putu Agus) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:53:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050221005348.92403.qmail@web30803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I'm using 4.2 version. (it's running on Fedore 3). Rgs ~pap --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Putu, > > What version of LTSP are you using? > > the "kitchen-sink" kernel is old, from LTSP-3, and > it didn't support the > DPORT variable. > > Jim. > > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > I've already put it in the dhpcd.conf. > > Yes, client now run on 1067 port. > > But it seems, still problem.(Kernel Panic) > > (No detail messages) > > I'm trying to find out by > > putting "vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"(in the > > dhcp.conf:- correct ? )to trace it, and it says > error: > > "ERROR! no root-path option, check your DHCP > > configuration ....." > > > > for your info: > > Here's my dhcp.conf: > > default-lease-time 21600; > > max-lease-time 21600; > > ddns-update-style none; > > allow booting; > > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > > option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; > > option routers 192.168.2.249; > > option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.249; > > option domain-name > "ecogreenoleo.co.id"; > > option root-path > "192.168.2.249:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > > subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > > #range dynamic-bootp 192.168.2.100 > 192.168.2.253; > > use-host-decl-names on; > > option log-servers 192.168.2.249; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > > > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, > 0, > > 9) = "PXEClient" > > { > > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > # NOTE: kernels are specified in > > /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > > } > > else > > { > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > } > > } > > > > group { > > use-host-decl-names on; > > option log-servers 192.168.2.249; > > > > host ws248 { > > hardware ethernet 00:04:75:e4:54:2a; > > fixed-address 192.168.2.248; > > #filename > "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > filename > "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img"; > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > } > > } > > } > > =========== > > I'm using two nic(eth0,eth1): > > #ifconfig > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > > 00:04:75:E4:54:29 > > inet addr:192.168.2.249 > Bcast:192.168.2.255 > > Mask:255.255.255.0 > > inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee4:5429/64 > > Scope:Link > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 > > Metric:1 > > RX packets:22103 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:1 frame:0 > > TX packets:16228 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:2965996 (2.8 MiB) TX > > bytes:20313291 (19.3 MiB) > > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8400 > > > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > > 00:04:75:E5:D9:98 > > inet addr:192.168.2.101 > Bcast:192.168.2.255 > > Mask:255.255.255.0 > > inet6 addr: fe80::204:75ff:fee5:d998/64 > > Scope:Link > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 > > Metric:1 > > RX packets:7228 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:1 frame:0 > > TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 > > carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:1138731 (1.0 MiB) TX > bytes:2262 > > (2.2 KiB) > > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x8000 > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > RX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:6029 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:8737099 (8.3 MiB) TX > bytes:8737099 > > (8.3 MiB) > > =========== > > Here's the message log(/var/log/messages): > > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER > from > > 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on > > 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for > > 192.168.2.248 (192.168.2.249) from > 00:04:75:e4:54:2a > > via eth0 > > Feb 20 16:51:08 eobpctest01 dhcpd: DHCPACK on > > 192.168.2.248 to 00:04:75:e4:54:2a via eth0 > > > > > > Regards > > ~Pap > > > > > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > Pap, > > > > > > You also need to include option-128. It should > look > > > like this: > > > > > > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > > > > > > The value for option-128 is a special 'Etherboot > > > signature', NOT > > > a mac address. > > > > > > If you put the lines in your dhcpd.conf file > exactly > > > as I've shown > > > above, it should then pass the DPORT parameter > on to > > > the kernel and > > > initrd. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Putu Agus wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I'm running the DHCP server with different > port. > > > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in > dhpcd.conf > > > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > > > > > I've read > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on > > > port > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Mon Feb 21 00:58:46 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:58:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gimp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502210049.j1L0n8X05843@www.mi-spot.com> If by serve, you mean use in a LTSP environment, I do. I teach a web design class, and last semester, I had 21 kids all using the Gimp at the same time. Since most kids had used some drawing program before, it didn't take them long to figure out how to use it. Most kids used the Gimp to make buttons or banners for their website, and a few used the higher level photo editing functions. Those kids had also had some experience with Adobe Photoshop. My server is a quad P3 550MHz with 3gb ram. The NICS and switch are all 100base. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Betts Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:41 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] gimp Does anyone serve GIMP with success? Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From Linux_Man at comcast.net Mon Feb 21 01:58:20 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:58:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel version In-Reply-To: <42192288.5000300@execulink.com> References: <42192288.5000300@execulink.com> Message-ID: <4219403C.1040105@comcast.net> Jason wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that with version 4.2 of K12LTSP has kernel version 2.6.x but > the clients are loaded with kernel version 2.4.x. I wonder if this will > be upgraded soon? > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I don't see any reason too. The 2.4 kernel is perfectly stable, and all it needs to be able to do is connect to the LTSP server. Why fix what isn't broken? From tuxnician at execulink.com Mon Feb 21 02:11:29 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel version In-Reply-To: <4219403C.1040105@comcast.net> References: <42192288.5000300@execulink.com> <4219403C.1040105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42194351.3010105@execulink.com> Brian Beck wrote: > Jason wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I noticed that with version 4.2 of K12LTSP has kernel version 2.6.x >> but the clients are loaded with kernel version 2.4.x. I wonder if >> this will be upgraded soon? >> >> Jason >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > I don't see any reason too. The 2.4 kernel is perfectly stable, and > all it needs to be able to do is connect to the LTSP server. Why fix > what isn't broken? > I just thought that using 2.6 would find more devices such as sound cards etc. From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Mon Feb 21 05:33:40 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:03:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 110 In-Reply-To: <20050219170042.99D91730B5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050219170042.99D91730B5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi I have tried out LTSP 4 successfully on RH 7.3. Is it possible to work on X using 486 machines with just 8Mb Ram, SIS 6215 PCI card, old VGA monitor? I got the point of working on text screen and telnet. But for X windows , I could not set it up . Please suggest, as there are about 25 of these 486s without HDD lying around. regards Nataraj From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Feb 21 07:29:11 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:59:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 110 In-Reply-To: References: <20050219170042.99D91730B5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1108970950.30574.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 11:03, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > I have tried out LTSP 4 successfully on RH 7.3. > > Is it possible to work on X using 486 machines with just 8Mb Ram, SIS 6215 > PCI card, old VGA monitor? Yes. Set USE_NFS_SWAP = Y & SWAPFILE_SIZE =64m Max resolution you will get is 600x480 Try XF86_VGA16 or Xvesa for server setting Older SIS cards are notorious you may have to dump them. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Feb 21 12:37:15 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:37:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 110 In-Reply-To: <1108970950.30574.10.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050219170042.99D91730B5@hormel.redhat.com> <1108970950.30574.10.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's 8MB of RAM, not video RAM though. It might work using NFS swap, but it probably won't be pretty. Least that's my guess. On Feb 21, 2005, at 1:29 AM, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 11:03, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: >> I have tried out LTSP 4 successfully on RH 7.3. >> >> Is it possible to work on X using 486 machines with just 8Mb Ram, SIS >> 6215 >> PCI card, old VGA monitor? > > Yes. > > Set USE_NFS_SWAP = Y & SWAPFILE_SIZE =64m > Max resolution you will get is 600x480 > Try XF86_VGA16 or Xvesa for server setting > Older SIS cards are notorious you may have to dump them. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIZ1fwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT3vACgjOcxPeOrvcH066ujcJ8Eub1r wNcAni/1ylbUdkDE2klCtfj77wnLx2wt =LBQg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Feb 21 15:45:00 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video cards Message-ID: <200502211045.AA1140523040@mail.jchs.com> Hello Everyone, I have just setup LTSP on RedHat ES 3. Everthing appears to run fine. However, I have about 100 really old machines that use the Cirrus 5446 Video Chip on their video cards. If I install FC 2 on one of these boxes (They don't meet minimum requirements to run ES 3) it recognizes the card and all run wells. When I boot one to the LTSP server everyting goes fine until X starts and I get an errror message saying "xserver failed". Is this card not supported in ES 3? I took the xorg.conf file in the /etc/X11 directory and copied the video Device Section over to the XF86Config file on the ES 3 Server. Still no luck. Any help would be appreciated. PS. I can change out the video card and everything works fine, but was hoping to not have to spend any money. Burt Carter Technology Coordinator Jenkins County School System ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Feb 21 16:12:37 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:12:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local floppy disk Message-ID: <200502211112.AA440402124@mail.jchs.com> Not sure if anyone has addressed these issues, but they are things that I have to look at for a full LTSP rollout in my organization. 1. Can a user write to a local floppy drive from a ltsp client 2. Can a user print to a locally connected printer from a ltsp client. 3. How much memory is required for a ltsp client. Does less affect performance? 4. Can sound be heard on the local clients. 5. Can a cd-rom be played from the local ltsp client. 6. Has anyone integrated LTSP Server with NetWare 6 (or eDirectory) so that users are authenticated by Netware(eDirectory)? 7. Has anyone implemented load balancing among multipe LTSP servers? 8. Has anyone run Accellerated Reader/Math, MS OFFICE or other MS related programs successfully from say SAMBA on a linux box. (Both client and server are linux). If anyone can shed some light on any of those topics, or point me in the direction to get more information it would be great. Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Feb 21 17:07:35 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:07:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local floppy disk In-Reply-To: <200502211112.AA440402124@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502211112.AA440402124@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <1109005655.4368.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Burt, > 1. Can a user write to a local floppy drive from a ltsp client Yes. Things can be copy to disks via MTools, and there is at least one hack out there to allow full local floppy support via Konqueror. > 3. How much memory is required for a ltsp client. Does less affect performance? I've heard varying views on this. Most of our clients here have 64-128MB. They all run just fine. I've run a few test clients with as little as 16MB though. > 4. Can sound be heard on the local clients. I think so, but since our Computer Center does make use of sound I'm really not the one to ask about this. > 5. Can a cd-rom be played from the local ltsp client. I don't think so. Though there are some hacks to allow local CDRom access from the clients, however these hacks do not allow for sound to be played from CDRom. Again...someone else might know more about this. I also have USB support (for thumbdrives and other mass storage devices) working on my 4.2 setup. Though its a pretty dirty hack, and I know that some others who've tried to implement it have had quite a few show stopping problems with it. -Calvin From accessys at smart.net Mon Feb 21 19:15:18 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: <6F27A4C4-836D-11D9-8438-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> References: <6F27A4C4-836D-11D9-8438-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Nakashima wrote: > On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 04:24 PM, Access Systems wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Will Hatch wrote: > > > >> I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only > >> access the internet with a text only browser. The school has had > >> trouble with students viewing photos and this seems like the only > >> solution. > > get a "Shell" account from your internet provider, only access is via > > unix > > (Linux) shell account, is usually much cheaper and it is text only, > > even > > Not an expert, but... > 1. Aren't there ways to pass images via text files? yes but you then have to forward them to another e-mail address, so it seems a catch 22 since they would have no other e-mail address to pass them to > 2. Couldn't sexually explicit text be just as bad for sex offenders? have you ever seen sexually explicit text sites, I haven't if they exist and I would not doubt that they do, they are pretty rare. mostly an X rated site says something like this ----- wow you should see this [inline] and when we finished that we did [inline] and you really know you want to [inline] but first you have to [inline] ---------- you get the idea Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Mon Feb 21 19:44:11 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:44:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Error on running Samba/LDAP script In-Reply-To: <4003.90.61.93.34.1109013654.squirrel@www.mtolympus.org> References: <4003.90.61.93.34.1109013654.squirrel@www.mtolympus.org> Message-ID: <20050221194411.GF9731@localhost.localdomain> Hi Greg, > First of all, nice work both on the documentation, and the script. Thanks, though the documentation was done by Dave Trask. But I take credit for the scripts. :) > A tripping place that I'm having, both with the IdealX recipe, and the > script I got from your site, is with the SID. > The script logged an error when it tried, and here's what I get when I try: > [root at medusa smbldap-installer]# net getlocalsid > [2005/02/21 14:23:56, 0] utils/net.c:net_getlocalsid(494) > Can't fetch domain SID for name: MTOLYMPUS-PDC > [root at medusa smbldap-installer]# Hmm. Are you running the script on a fresh (non-updated) FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2 installation? My only guess ATM is that some package is different than what the script expects so some config files are messed up. I don't understand the localsid enough to be able to diagnose what would cause the error you specify without looking at the box myself. Is there any way you can give me ssh access to it? If you'd like, I can give you temporaray access to one of my systems to we can just use ssh reverse port forwarding to get me into your system. (You would ssh to me with a command like the following: ssh -R 1887:localhost:22 username at mojo.yi.org And then I could ssh to my own server on port 1887 and connect back into your box.) I'm copying the K12OSN list so we can hopefully get some help from somebody there. If you aren't on the list, let me know and I can bounce any replies to you (until you join, which I highly recommend). --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gj.kramer at planet.nl Mon Feb 21 19:51:28 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:51:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: References: <6F27A4C4-836D-11D9-8438-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <1109015488.8815.9.camel@server.byh.org> > > On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 04:24 PM, Access Systems wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Will Hatch wrote: > > > > > >> I have no choice but to configure my k12 server so users can only > > >> access the internet with a text only browser. The school has had > > >> trouble with students viewing photos and this seems like the only > > >> solution. I missed the original post so I apologize if you've already considered and dismissed the following ideas: 1. Configure the browsers to block images or 2. (Don't know if it's feasible or not but...) Configure your server to filter out any images, either totally or selectively - i.e. no .jpg or .gif larger than a certain size. - gustav The Hague From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 21 20:46:41 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:46:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to VNC into 4.2.0 server? In-Reply-To: <4216681E.5080606@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <20050218183557.74351.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> <4216681E.5080606@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <421A48B1.5040605@maltzen.net> Angus Carr wrote: > richard ingalls wrote: > >> --- Ron Freidel wrote: >> >> >> >>> When I need to see a desktop on a remote server I do >>> it via ssh >>> >>> ssh -C -l ronf hostname.k12.mt.us -L >>> 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 >>> >>> that forwards the correct ports for a vnc >>> connection. Then on my laptop I do a >>> >>> vncviewer localhost >>> and the remote desktop loads via the ssh connection. >>> >>> No need to open any additional ports other than 22 >>> for the ssh connection. >>> >>> richard ingalls (aslansreturn at yahoo.com) wrote: >>> >>> >>>> how can i VNC into a 4.2.0 server? what do i need >>>> >>> >>> to >>> >>> >>>> open up in the firewall to make this happen? i'm >>>> assuming the problem is in the firewall... is this >>>> >>> >>> correct? >>> >> >> >> that's a cool trick! >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > Cooler yet: > vncviewer -via my.host.here.ca localhost:0 > > the -via parameter sets up a ssh session to deal with the tunnelling. If > you have keys and so on set up, then this produces a vncviewer window > with minimal user intervention. > > Angus. > Note that this works only with TightVNC's vncviewer. RealVNC does not support the -via parameter. Petre From anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us Mon Feb 21 21:06:21 2005 From: anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us (Anthony A. Luscre) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local floppy disk In-Reply-To: <1109005655.4368.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200502211112.AA440402124@mail.jchs.com> <1109005655.4368.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <421A4D4D.5090604@neonet.k12.oh.us> Many of our users were confused by floppy access and MTools so I have created a one page document that we laminate and tape to desk at each of our terminals. Please feel free to copy and use at your location. I don't think attachments are allowed on this mailing list so you can download a copy of the PDF at: http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/floppy_access.pdf >>1. Can a user write to a local floppy drive from a ltsp client >> >> >Yes. Things can be copy to disks via MTools, and there is at least one >hack out there to allow full local floppy support via Konqueror > > -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/portal_pages.html From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Feb 21 23:43:28 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:43:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] video cards In-Reply-To: <200502211045.AA1140523040@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502211045.AA1140523040@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <1109029408.29928.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 10:45 -0500, Burt Carter wrote: > I have just setup LTSP on RedHat ES 3. Everthing appears to run fine. > However, I have about 100 really old machines that use the Cirrus 5446 > Video Chip on their video cards. Burt, Here's the lts.conf entries I use in my terminals that have old Cirrus Logic video. I don't remember the model number, but it's worth a shot: [ws001] XSERVER=XF86_SVGA X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 X_HORZSYNC=31-62 X_VERTREFRESH=55-90 X_RES_1=800x600 at 74 49.50 800 832 1016 1048 600 611 619 631 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From prentice at instruction.com Tue Feb 22 03:44:48 2005 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:44:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: video cards Message-ID: <01c51890$db8aef80$6500000a@Dave.HOME> >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:00 -0500 >From: "Burt Carter" >Subject: [K12OSN] video cards >Message-ID: <200502211045.AA1140523040 at mail.jchs.com> >Hello Everyone, >I have just setup LTSP on RedHat ES 3. Everthing appears to run fine. However, I have about 100 really old machines that use the Cirrus 5446 Video Chip on their video cards. If I install FC 2 on one of these boxes (They don't meet minimum requirements to run ES 3) it recognizes the card and all run wells. When I boot one to the LTSP server everyting goes fine until X starts and I get an errror message saying "xserver failed". Is this card not supported in ES 3? I took the xorg.conf file in the /etc/X11 directory and copied the video Device Section over to the XF86Config file on the ES 3 Server. Still no luck. Any help would be appreciated. >PS. I can change out the video card and everything works fine, but was hoping to not have to spend any money. >Burt Carter >Technology Coordinator >Jenkins County School System Burt, Last September I was having what sounds like a similar problem with old Compaqs with Cirrus cards. Chris Thomas had the solution, which follows. Dave Prentice -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thomas [mailto:cwt137 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 9/21/2004 11:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards First, go to the lts.conf file and put in the [default] section 'SCREEN_02 = shell' (without the quotes). and save it. Second, start one of the troubled cirrus PCs and when X fails, press Alt-Ctrl-F2 (or F1, I don't remember) to get to the prompt. At the prompt, type 'cat /proc/bus/pci/devices' This will give you a whole bunch of numbers. The numbers in the second column are pci ids. Copy the 8-digit number that starts with 1013. This is the cirrus card. Next, open up the vidlist file, its in the same directory as the lts.conf file. Go down to the cirrus section. Find the number you wrote down. Change the driver from whatev er it says to 'cirrus'. Save it. Make sure your lts.conf file has 'XSERVER = auto' so the other 75% of the computers will work. Restart the troubled terminal and it should work. Chris From rmelton at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 05:13:19 2005 From: rmelton at gmail.com (Robert Melton) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:13:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... Message-ID: Hi-- I recently got word that some people are actually using TeacherTool -- for those of you who are, let me say "I am sorry" -- it was a quick hack of an app built for a friend. If there is some interest in it -- I will pick it back up and improve it -- I got some ideas for it -- just didn't know if there was any interest. I am wondering what the current state of it is -- how much work has been done on it -- any interesting fixes and hacks, please mail them to me -- I will tie together a central repo for it. Let me know. --Robert Melton From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Feb 22 05:38:40 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:38:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421AC560.9070308@magic.fr> I've been reading about TeacherTool on this list but I'm not sure where to get a copy to test it out... is this it? http://homepage.mac.com/teast/ best! Dennis Robert Melton wrote: >Hi-- > > I recently got word that some people are actually using >TeacherTool -- for those of you who are, let me say "I am sorry" -- it >was a quick hack of an app built for a friend. If there is some >interest in it -- I will pick it back up and improve it -- I got some >ideas for it -- just didn't know if there was any interest. > > I am wondering what the current state of it is -- how much >work has been done on it -- any interesting fixes and hacks, please >mail them to me -- I will tie together a central repo for it. Let me >know. > >--Robert Melton > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found here: www.dennisgdaniels.com From rmelton at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 06:49:06 2005 From: rmelton at gmail.com (Robert Melton) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:49:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: <421AC560.9070308@magic.fr> References: <421AC560.9070308@magic.fr> Message-ID: Currently, TeacherTool lacks a home (it was software written in a day for a friend), I will create a home for it on my companies website shortly (by the end of the week). I am trying to dig up modified versions so the community gets the best benefit from it -- I will merge all the good ideas into it. On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:38:40 -0800, ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > I've been reading about TeacherTool on this list but I'm not sure where > to get a copy to test it out... is this it? > > http://homepage.mac.com/teast/ > > best! > Dennis > > Robert Melton wrote: > > >Hi-- > > > > I recently got word that some people are actually using > >TeacherTool -- for those of you who are, let me say "I am sorry" -- it > >was a quick hack of an app built for a friend. If there is some > >interest in it -- I will pick it back up and improve it -- I got some > >ideas for it -- just didn't know if there was any interest. > > > > I am wondering what the current state of it is -- how much > >work has been done on it -- any interesting fixes and hacks, please > >mail them to me -- I will tie together a central repo for it. Let me > >know. > > > >--Robert Melton > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > -- > lost and found here: > www.dennisgdaniels.com > > From nbs at sonic.net Tue Feb 22 07:07:55 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:07:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] open source publicity In-Reply-To: <200502201924.j1KJOvX23907@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200502201924.j1KJOvX23907@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050222070755.GD7941@sonic.net> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 01:34:37PM -0600, Eric Brown wrote: > Next, we need to get NPR to come and do a story on how we're recycling old > computers, saving money, avoiding viruses, and teaching kids all with > K12LTPS. I've been planning on calling my local affiliate to show them my > lab; I just haven't had the time to spare lately. Do it! And good luck! :^) -bill! From harry at ice.be Tue Feb 22 07:44:21 2005 From: harry at ice.be (Harry Conings) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:44:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] keyboard change on telnet client Message-ID: <5E69C1F47943EF4FB8C57ECECB9AA961E32D@ICE_02> hi how can i change the keyboard into be-latin1 on the telnet session on the client rgds harry From harry at ice.be Tue Feb 22 07:46:06 2005 From: harry at ice.be (Harry Conings) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:46:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] telnet session 132 characters Message-ID: <5E69C1F47943EF4FB8C57ECECB9AA961E32E@ICE_02> hi how can i change te telnet session on the client to 132 characters instead of 80 rgds harry From harry at ice.be Tue Feb 22 07:48:01 2005 From: harry at ice.be (Harry Conings) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:48:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] acces over the internet Message-ID: <5E69C1F47943EF4FB8C57ECECB9AA961E32F@ICE_02> hi how can i get the best performance to acces the k12ltsp server over the internet rgds harry From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Feb 22 08:11:24 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:11:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] acces over the internet In-Reply-To: <5E69C1F47943EF4FB8C57ECECB9AA961E32F@ICE_02> References: <5E69C1F47943EF4FB8C57ECECB9AA961E32F@ICE_02> Message-ID: <1109059884.421ae92c8c678@rix01.dyndns.org> The fastest i have seen so far is nomachine.com nxserver. It uses normal x protocol compressed and crypted in a sshd tunnel with local client caching. Its a really easy to use server and has a windows and linux client. There are others aswell but the ones using VNC isnt relly that fast. Flicker is a word that comes to mind. Id love to hear about other systems! /daniel Citerar Harry Conings : > hi > how can i get the best performance to acces the k12ltsp server > over the internet > rgds > harry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 11:14:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:14:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] gimp In-Reply-To: <200502210049.j1L0n8X05843@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050222111442.29747.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Speaking of the GIMP, is there a simpler alternative? Maybe something along the lines of the basic editing software that comes packaged with a digital camera? -Rob --- Eric Brown wrote: > If by serve, you mean use in a LTSP environment, I > do. > > I teach a web design class, and last semester, I had > 21 kids all using the > Gimp at the same time. Since most kids had used > some drawing program > before, it didn't take them long to figure out how > to use it. Most kids > used the Gimp to make buttons or banners for their > website, and a few used > the higher level photo editing functions. Those > kids had also had some > experience with Adobe Photoshop. > > My server is a quad P3 550MHz with 3gb ram. The NICS > and switch are all > 100base. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 11:26:05 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:26:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld wrap-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050222112606.99602.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Jim, I recently set up ltsp at home and even though I knew how it worked already, I was still impressed when I saw it work in my house, on my desk. It's just really cool. Thanks for all the hard work. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: We were > running Ubuntu on > our server, so it didn't make sense for the Fedora > booth to be > connected to our server, but all of the other booths > connected > to our server, and everybody was amazed at the > performance. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 11:28:18 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Client Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <970af85905021813313f5afe39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050222112818.44037.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I got an error like that once. I think it was related to the fact that I was ripping a cd on the server when the client was trying to boot. (the "server" was actually a 2.0 celeron). -Rob --- Phil Davison wrote: > After correcting an error in the dhcpd.conf for the > default gateway > the error message on the client has changed. > > The new meessage is at the end of the PXE boot is: > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from > 192.168.0.254 > e100:eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex > mount: RPC: Timed out > mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt > failed: Invalid arguement > > ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! > > --Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 11:42:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:42:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] cron & crontab (was Re: Presentation Freezing) In-Reply-To: <1108838911.11422.98.camel@eriadne> Message-ID: <20050222114227.50624.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Question: I've been editing /etc/crontab to do things like performing nightly backups and updates. It works, but I guess you are saying it's the wrong way to do it, and that I should be using root's "personal" crontab. Could you give an example of what should be in /etc/crontab? I see your example of /etc/cron.d. My system has both /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d so I guess I'm not sure what each of their purpose is. -Rob --- Michael C Wescott wrote: > cron(8) is a program designed to run other programs > periodically. It is > controlled by some configuration files called > "crontabs" that come in > two flavors. One type of crontab file lives as > /etc/crontab or as a file > in the /etc/cron.d directory. The second type lives > in the > /var/spool/cron directory and takes the name of it's > owner. > > crontabs of the first kind have the 6th field > indicating the user whose > privileges with which the command will run. These > crontabs should be > considered as system files. Don't change them unless > you really know > what you are doing. The ones in /etc/cron.d are > usually specific to some > package. I don't see any in a k12ltsp system I've > got available but my > home system (Debian) shows several all associated > with a particular > package: > > ~ $ ls /etc/cron.d > anacron logcheck sendmail uucp > ~ $ > > Having a directory with a package-specific crontab > makes it easy for a > package to install cron entries without trying to > edit one or more > standard crontabs. > > These system crontabs can be editted with any text > editor. > > A user (including root) should find his crontab in > /var/spool/cron. > These crontabs don't use the username in the sixth > field since all > commands in that file will be run with the user's > privileges. These > crontabs should be installed, removed and editted > using the crontab(1) > command. For details on the format see crontab(5), > but briefly there are > two types of lines (other than empty or comment > lines). One sets an > enviroment variable and looks like: > > ENVVAR = some value > > The other type has at least 6 whitespace separated > fields. The first 5 > determine when the command should be run. The 6th > (and following) are > treated as a command line and executed by a shell, > much as if it had > been run with /bin/sh -c "command line". > > The rules for exactly when to run the command can be > fairly complicated > so read the man page crontab(5) more than once. > > The current version of cron(8) is quite good about > "doing the right > thing" but it wasn't always so. In olden times (i.e > some Unix systems) > had some very interesting bugs that popped up when a > command was > scheduled to be run when daylight savings time > changed. > > On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:11, Rob Owens wrote: > > No commas in the crontab file (at least not in > mine). > > A comma is a separtor within a time field but not > between different > fields. Whitespace is used between fields. > > 15,45 9-11,13-16 * * 1-5 echo > "working hours" > > Will execute the command 'echo "working hours"' > every hour at 15 and 45 > minutes after the hour between 9 and 5 pm (not > including a lunch break > at noon) on every weekday. > > > Here is a sample that I pulled from "man crontab". > In > > my crontab file, the 6th field is usually "root" > -- > > the user whose account will run the specified > command. > > Err ... no, the sixth field only shows up in the > special crontabs that > you really don't want to mess with. > > > The ">> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1" part means to send all > > output, errors and otherwise, to a file: > $HOME/tmp/out > > Close. The ">> $HOME/tmp/out" part means to append > stdout (the normal > output of the command) to $HOME/tmp/out. The 2>&1 > part means to do to > stderr (usually error messages) whatever was done to > stdout. > > > > Brandon Kovach > wrote: > > > > This will be my first effort at cron, so please > > confirm that this is how > > the cron file should be setup. > > > 0, 23, *, *, 1-5, del /tmp/*.* > > Lose the commas. Don't you mean "rm" rather than > "del"? And *.* will > match any file with a dot in it, except those > starting with a dot. I > think you probably want > > 0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -f /tmp/* > > or more likely > > 0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -r -f /tmp/* > > The bad part about this kind of blanket removal of > files from /tmp is > that it is difficult to know when other programs, > say other cron jobs, > might be using /tmp. > > > Then I would name the file tmpremove.cron > > Then I would do a crontab -l to make sure I had no > > files of the same name. > > Then I would crontab tmpremove.cron to activate > the > > file. > > Is this all correct? > > Nope. First create a copy of your current crontab; > then edit it; then > install it as the new version: > > [root at drbob root]# crontab -l > xxx.cron > [root at drbob root]# vi xxx.cron > [root at drbob root]# crontab xxx.cron > > or combine it all into one step: > > [root at drbob root]# VISUAL=vi crontab -e > > > -- > Mike Wescott > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Feb 22 14:07:22 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:07:22 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Grub=20interactive?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20booting=20problem?= Message-ID: Thanks Boris for answering back, i`m a bit overwhelmed in my teaching these days so i could not answer back. You are right, there is a initrd command in grub. I tried it but no go, It starts loading up low level drivers and then a cascade of error messages. As far as i can see on the screen (there may be more before but i can't scroll back the screen) i get: loading libata.ko libata: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module. The last line essentially repeats for all the latter modules. >>> boris.lenzinger at castify.net 2005-02-17 12:50:28 >>> You have to specify an initrd for booting. Once you have typed =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xxx ro root=LABEL=/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= you have to type =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= initrd /boot/initrd-xxx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= where xxx is the same version as the one of the kernel. Command line completion should be helpful to avoid typo. With a local boot, it works likes this but may be in LTSP (I'm not familiar with it), it can be different. The root=LABEL=/ is a way to detect the / partition without having to specify a partition like /dev/hda1 (from what I've understood). So you can have a rack with another disk in which you have a disk where partition slash is labelled / and it should run the same way... Hope it helps. Boris Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I'm trying to learn how to boot the 4.2.0 server with a grub boot disk > and it only partially boots. > Here is what i type: > GRUB> root (hd0,0) yes its on /dev/hda1 > GRUB> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=/dev/hda1 > GRUB> boot > > The kernel loads up to selinux with a message about 10 lines > before stating that it can't open a console. > > In menu.lst, the kernel line reads this: > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=LABEL=/1 > > What is this root=LABEL=/1 option? what does it mean? > P.S.: i did try this option in grub interactive and the kernel > crashes, it only work in the menu.lst file. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 22 14:12:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:12:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c518e8$7eedf350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Currently, TeacherTool lacks a home (it was software written > in a day for a friend), I will create a home for it on my > companies website shortly (by the end of the week). I am > trying to dig up modified versions so the community gets the > best benefit from it -- I will merge all the good ideas into it. Hopefully Chuck Liebow will pick up this thread. He seems to use this heavily and has added some features such as a runspy button (allows the teacher to view students sessions and take control if desired). He most likely would have the most up to date versions for you to take a look at. On another note, if you could work on this again it would be awesome. I am not sure if you are familiar with Apple Remote Desktop or the old Network Assistant, but I see TeacherTool as being the Linux alternative. The main tools in ARD that I use are the following: Copy software/links to client machines (maybe could incorporate the k12ltsp push icons script) Control/Observe specific students machines Running task list by client (gives an idea of what they are up to before observing) Kill all running programs/processes per client Client Shutdown/Restart (Easy way on weekends to shut down all labs remotely, but probably tough with thins) I have not been able to use the current TeacherTool yet but will shortly. I am assuming it only gives access to viewing users on the same server that the tool is running on. So if it is not available yet the ability to add multiple servers to the same tool with access via dropdown could be handy. Might ease administration of larger implementations. Thanks for the resparked interest, and go nuts :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 22 14:15:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:15:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron & crontab (was Re: Presentation Freezing) In-Reply-To: <20050222114227.50624.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050222114227.50624.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421B3E6E.5090503@maltzen.net> You can, obviously, put jobs in /etc/crontab, but it seems a bit...inconsistent, since /etc/crontab is used primarily to call other cron scripts in /etc/cron.hourly and so on. /etc/cron.d/ exists so that packages can install their own cron scripts for maintenance; all they have to do during installation is drop the script into /etc/cron.d, which is easier than modifying a crontab file itself directly. My colleagues and I generally put backup scripts in root's crontab, /var/spool/cron/root, I think partly because if one of us adds a job, and later another needs to look at it, the first place we tend to look is root's crontab because we know that it was added by us; that is, it didn't come as part of the stock OS. I don't think the Unix police will come knocking on your door if you put backup jobs in /etc/crontab, but if someone else has to figure out how your system is configured, I think they would more likely look at /var/spool/cron/root than /etc/crontab. Others may argue otherwise. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Question: > > I've been editing /etc/crontab to do things like > performing nightly backups and updates. It works, but > I guess you are saying it's the wrong way to do it, > and that I should be using root's "personal" crontab. > Could you give an example of what should be in > /etc/crontab? I see your example of /etc/cron.d. My > system has both /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d so I > guess I'm not sure what each of their purpose is. > > -Rob > > --- Michael C Wescott wrote: > > >>cron(8) is a program designed to run other programs >>periodically. It is >>controlled by some configuration files called >>"crontabs" that come in >>two flavors. One type of crontab file lives as >>/etc/crontab or as a file >>in the /etc/cron.d directory. The second type lives >>in the >>/var/spool/cron directory and takes the name of it's >>owner. >> >>crontabs of the first kind have the 6th field >>indicating the user whose >>privileges with which the command will run. These >>crontabs should be >>considered as system files. Don't change them unless >>you really know >>what you are doing. The ones in /etc/cron.d are >>usually specific to some >>package. I don't see any in a k12ltsp system I've >>got available but my >>home system (Debian) shows several all associated >>with a particular >>package: >> >> ~ $ ls /etc/cron.d >> anacron logcheck sendmail uucp >> ~ $ >> >>Having a directory with a package-specific crontab >>makes it easy for a >>package to install cron entries without trying to >>edit one or more >>standard crontabs. >> >>These system crontabs can be editted with any text >>editor. >> >>A user (including root) should find his crontab in >>/var/spool/cron. >>These crontabs don't use the username in the sixth >>field since all >>commands in that file will be run with the user's >>privileges. These >>crontabs should be installed, removed and editted >>using the crontab(1) >>command. For details on the format see crontab(5), >>but briefly there are >>two types of lines (other than empty or comment >>lines). One sets an >>enviroment variable and looks like: >> >>ENVVAR = some value >> >>The other type has at least 6 whitespace separated >>fields. The first 5 >>determine when the command should be run. The 6th >>(and following) are >>treated as a command line and executed by a shell, >>much as if it had >>been run with /bin/sh -c "command line". >> >>The rules for exactly when to run the command can be >>fairly complicated >>so read the man page crontab(5) more than once. >> >>The current version of cron(8) is quite good about >>"doing the right >>thing" but it wasn't always so. In olden times (i.e >>some Unix systems) >>had some very interesting bugs that popped up when a >>command was >>scheduled to be run when daylight savings time >>changed. >> >>On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:11, Rob Owens wrote: >> >>>No commas in the crontab file (at least not in >> >>mine). >> >>A comma is a separtor within a time field but not >>between different >>fields. Whitespace is used between fields. >> >>15,45 9-11,13-16 * * 1-5 echo >>"working hours" >> >>Will execute the command 'echo "working hours"' >>every hour at 15 and 45 >>minutes after the hour between 9 and 5 pm (not >>including a lunch break >>at noon) on every weekday. >> >> >>>Here is a sample that I pulled from "man crontab". >> >> In >> >>>my crontab file, the 6th field is usually "root" >> >>-- >> >>>the user whose account will run the specified >> >>command. >> >>Err ... no, the sixth field only shows up in the >>special crontabs that >>you really don't want to mess with. >> >> >>>The ">> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1" part means to send all >>>output, errors and otherwise, to a file: >> >>$HOME/tmp/out >> >>Close. The ">> $HOME/tmp/out" part means to append >>stdout (the normal >>output of the command) to $HOME/tmp/out. The 2>&1 >>part means to do to >>stderr (usually error messages) whatever was done to >>stdout. >> >> >> >>>Brandon Kovach >> >>wrote: >> >>>This will be my first effort at cron, so please >>>confirm that this is how >>>the cron file should be setup. >> >>>0, 23, *, *, 1-5, del /tmp/*.* >> >>Lose the commas. Don't you mean "rm" rather than >>"del"? And *.* will >>match any file with a dot in it, except those >>starting with a dot. I >>think you probably want >> >>0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -f /tmp/* >> >>or more likely >> >>0 23 * * 1-5 /bin/rm -r -f /tmp/* >> >>The bad part about this kind of blanket removal of >>files from /tmp is >>that it is difficult to know when other programs, >>say other cron jobs, >>might be using /tmp. >> >> >>>Then I would name the file tmpremove.cron >>>Then I would do a crontab -l to make sure I had no >>>files of the same name. >>>Then I would crontab tmpremove.cron to activate >> >>the >> >>>file. >>>Is this all correct? >> >>Nope. First create a copy of your current crontab; >>then edit it; then >>install it as the new version: >> >> [root at drbob root]# crontab -l > xxx.cron >> [root at drbob root]# vi xxx.cron >> [root at drbob root]# crontab xxx.cron >> >>or combine it all into one step: >> >> [root at drbob root]# VISUAL=vi crontab -e >> >> >>-- >> Mike Wescott >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Tue Feb 22 14:27:25 2005 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:25 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Grub_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?interactive_booting_problem?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B414D.7060006@castify.net> I've read around about this problem and the reason is probably that you don't use the initrd with the version number of the kernel... For instance, lines in my grub.conf are the following: =========================== title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.766_FC3) root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.img =========================== You really have to use the same version for initrd and for the kernel else you will always get in trouble. Could you send the line you use for booting ? Boris Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Thanks Boris for answering back, i`m a bit overwhelmed in my teaching > these days so i could not answer back. > You are right, there is a initrd command in grub. > I tried it but no go, It starts loading up low level drivers and then > a cascade of error messages. As far as i can see on the screen (there > may be more before but i can't scroll back the screen) i get: > loading libata.ko > libata: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module. > > The last line essentially repeats for all the latter modules. > > >>> boris.lenzinger at castify.net 2005-02-17 12:50:28 >>> > You have to specify an initrd for booting. > Once you have typed > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xxx ro root=LABEL=/ > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > you have to type > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > initrd /boot/initrd-xxx > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > where xxx is the same version as the one of the kernel. Command line > completion should be helpful to avoid typo. > > With a local boot, it works likes this but may be in LTSP (I'm not > familiar with it), it can be different. > > The root=LABEL=/ is a way to detect the / partition without having to > specify a partition like /dev/hda1 (from what I've understood). So you > can have a rack with another disk in which you have a disk where > partition slash is labelled / and it should run the same way... > > Hope it helps. > > Boris > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > > I'm trying to learn how to boot the 4.2.0 server with a grub boot disk > > and it only partially boots. > > Here is what i type: > > GRUB> root (hd0,0) yes its on /dev/hda1 > > GRUB> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=/dev/hda1 > > GRUB> boot > > > > The kernel loads up to selinux with a message about 10 lines > > before stating that it can't open a console. > > > > In menu.lst, the kernel line reads this: > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=LABEL=/1 > > > > What is this root=LABEL=/1 option? what does it mean? > > P.S.: i did try this option in grub interactive and the kernel > > crashes, it only work in the menu.lst file. > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 22 14:31:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:31:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron & crontab (was Re: Presentation Freezing) In-Reply-To: <421B3E6E.5090503@maltzen.net> References: <20050222114227.50624.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <421B3E6E.5090503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1109082659.17979.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 08:15, Petre Scheie wrote: > My colleagues and I generally put backup scripts in root's crontab, > /var/spool/cron/root, I think partly because if one of us adds a job, > and later another needs to look at it, the first place we tend to look > is root's crontab because we know that it was added by us; that is, it > didn't come as part of the stock OS. Yes, that's the right place for things you add interactively, but you should not edit the file directly. Run 'crontab -e' instead. This pops you into your $EDITOR with the current contents of the file and when you exit, notifies cron that the file has changed. You can also run 'crontab -l' if you just want to list the contents. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Feb 22 15:17:28 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:17:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: <421AC560.9070308@magic.fr> References: <421AC560.9070308@magic.fr> Message-ID: <421B4D08.1080800@cox.net> doing a "yum install TeacherTool" got it for me on k12ltsp 1.1.1 Robert, This a cool script. Hardly a hack. It solves alot of problems for ltsp admins. I was about to write something similar until I came accross this. Looking at your code, I think my solution would have been way over engineered. (was thinking SOAP/tomcat server with java gui front end) The only stuff I'd add to it is the use of the ltspinfo & ltspinfod that came with 4.x to remotely reboot or shutdown a client. You could aslo use it to probe remote kernel things in the /proc files system for client hardware info. Here's a screenshot of my changes http://school.qop.org/lmontes/teachertool.png Luis ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > I've been reading about TeacherTool on this list but I'm not sure > where to get a copy to test it out... is this it? > > http://homepage.mac.com/teast/ > > best! > Dennis > > Robert Melton wrote: > >> Hi-- >> >> I recently got word that some people are actually using >> TeacherTool -- for those of you who are, let me say "I am sorry" -- it >> was a quick hack of an app built for a friend. If there is some >> interest in it -- I will pick it back up and improve it -- I got some >> ideas for it -- just didn't know if there was any interest. >> >> I am wondering what the current state of it is -- how much >> work has been done on it -- any interesting fixes and hacks, please >> mail them to me -- I will tie together a central repo for it. Let me >> know. >> >> --Robert Melton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 22 14:50:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:50:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron & crontab (was Re: Presentation Freezing) In-Reply-To: <1109082659.17979.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050222114227.50624.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <421B3E6E.5090503@maltzen.net> <1109082659.17979.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <421B46C5.1030606@maltzen.net> I should have clarified that. Yes, we use 'crontab -e' and '-l' for modifying the crontab; that's partly why it's easier for us to find each other's additions, as we just use the above commands without worrying about which file to look at or where it is, etc. (I have modified the crontab by hand, but only in rare occassions where corruption problems left no alternative). Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 08:15, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>My colleagues and I generally put backup scripts in root's crontab, >>/var/spool/cron/root, I think partly because if one of us adds a job, >>and later another needs to look at it, the first place we tend to look >>is root's crontab because we know that it was added by us; that is, it >>didn't come as part of the stock OS. > > > Yes, that's the right place for things you add interactively, but you > should not edit the file directly. Run 'crontab -e' instead. This > pops you into your $EDITOR with the current contents of the file > and when you exit, notifies cron that the file has changed. You > can also run 'crontab -l' if you just want to list the contents. > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Feb 22 14:57:36 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:57:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: local floppy disk (Burt Carter) In-Reply-To: <20050221170025.A652F733BF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050221170025.A652F733BF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1109084256.25397.12.camel@phoenix.media.local> Pardon my crummy reply format... Evolution doesn't allow me to forward very well in this MIME version of the digest... bleh.. My rollout has slowed down b/c I'm not ready to replace some of the win98 pcs with thin clients because of the floppy drive access issue. I've been using some of the LTSP wiki's instructions on local drives, and making my own modifications (using automount instead of just smbmounting in the user's own directory and SELinux for floppy directory access control). It creaps me thinking of dangling floppy disk mounts to user's directories.. hence why I want to use automount. Either using my mods (which aren't finished) or the LTSP wiki instructions, I've figured out how to add icons under nautilus (Computer Icon) for the local drives (gconf is FUN!). I heard someone else on the list is working on some enhancements as well. * Printing to local printers: Follow this writeup on the wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ADefaultPrinterBasedOnLocation Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org >Burt Carter Wrote: >Not sure if anyone has addressed these issues, but they are things that I have to look at for a full LTSP rollout in my organization. >1. Can a user write to a local floppy drive from a ltsp client >2. Can a user print to a locally connected printer from a ltsp client. >3. How much memory is required for a ltsp client. Does less affect performance? >4. Can sound be heard on the local clients. >5. Can a cd-rom be played from the local ltsp client. >6. Has anyone integrated LTSP Server with NetWare 6 (or eDirectory) so that users are authenticated by Netware(eDirectory)? >7. Has anyone implemented load balancing among multipe LTSP servers? >8. Has anyone run Accellerated Reader/Math, MS OFFICE or other MS >related programs successfully from say SAMBA on a linux box. (Both >client and server are linux). >If anyone can shed some light on any of those topics, or point me in >the direction to get more information it would be great. >Thanks, >Burt Carter From rmelton at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 15:12:52 2005 From: rmelton at gmail.com (Robert Melton) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:12:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: <001b01c518e8$7eedf350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c518e8$7eedf350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback. First, I am not certain in the version I released, but many of the features you noted are already in the current version of TeacherTool. - View student desktop (using VNC viewonly) - Control student desktop (using VNC) - View/Kill Processes - Logout Students .... I will look into some of the other things you mentioned (push icons, client shutdown, etc). But step #1. is making it "correct" and more robust. Currently it is extremely breakable due to a dependancy on console commands. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:12:09 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Currently, TeacherTool lacks a home (it was software written > > in a day for a friend), I will create a home for it on my > > companies website shortly (by the end of the week). I am > > trying to dig up modified versions so the community gets the > > best benefit from it -- I will merge all the good ideas into it. > > Hopefully Chuck Liebow will pick up this thread. He seems to use this > heavily and has added some features such as a runspy button (allows the > teacher to view students sessions and take control if desired). He most > likely would have the most up to date versions for you to take a look > at. > > On another note, if you could work on this again it would be awesome. I > am not sure if you are familiar with Apple Remote Desktop or the old > Network Assistant, but I see TeacherTool as being the Linux alternative. > The main tools in ARD that I use are the following: > Copy software/links to client machines (maybe could incorporate the > k12ltsp push icons script) > Control/Observe specific students machines > Running task list by client (gives an idea of what they are up to before > observing) > Kill all running programs/processes per client > Client Shutdown/Restart (Easy way on weekends to shut down all labs > remotely, but probably tough with thins) > > I have not been able to use the current TeacherTool yet but will > shortly. I am assuming it only gives access to viewing users on the > same server that the tool is running on. So if it is not available yet > the ability to add multiple servers to the same tool with access via > dropdown could be handy. Might ease administration of larger > implementations. > > Thanks for the resparked interest, and go nuts :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 15:34:19 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:34:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing FC2 (4.2.0), but no GUI Message-ID: <20050222153420.55377.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> When trying to install FC2 (using the K12ltsp 4.2.0 ISO's burned to CD), the installer does not go to the GUI. Instead it asks me for the install medium (hard drive, CD ROM, network). I tell it to install from the CD ROM but it says it cannot find it! What is going on here? I just used these exact CDs to install FC2 on a different machine and it worked fine. I'm willing to try the install via NFS if I need to, but I'd like to know why this isn't working on this machine. Could it be that the video card isn't recognized by the installer? But that wouldn't explain why I couldn't continue the install from CD though. Any ideas? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From sandra_bainz at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 15:54:23 2005 From: sandra_bainz at hotmail.com (Bainz Sandra) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:54:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing FC2 (4.2.0), but no GUI In-Reply-To: <20050222153420.55377.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Feb 22 16:15:30 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:15:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing FC2 (4.2.0), but no GUI Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C68@remail2.westat.com> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 at 10:34 AM Richard Ingalls said: >> >> When trying to install FC2 (using the K12ltsp 4.2.0 >> ISO's burned to CD), the installer does not go to the >> GUI. Instead it asks me for the install medium (hard >> drive, CD ROM, network). I tell it to install from >> the CD ROM but it says it cannot find it! K12LTSP 4.2.0 is based on FC3, not FC2. Are you sure you have 4.2.0? Are you sure you are installing FC2? >> What is going on here? I just used these exact CDs to >> install FC2 on a different machine and it worked fine. >> I'm willing to try the install via NFS if I need to, >> but I'd like to know why this isn't working on this >> machine. Could it be that the video card isn't >> recognized by the installer? But that wouldn't >> explain why I couldn't continue the install from CD >> though. It's possible that the CD drive is the problem. I had a case (on an older version) where I could not boot from the CD and even when I booted from a floppy and tried to start a CD install, I could not because the CD drive could not be found. Can you boot other disks in the CD drive (Knoppix, for instance)? If so, this may not be your problem. But if your system cannot read from the CD, it's just not going to work. -- Henry From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 16:24:14 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing FC2 (4.2.0), but no GUI In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C68@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20050222162415.60065.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> --- Henry Hartley wrote: > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 at 10:34 AM Richard Ingalls > said: > >> > >> When trying to install FC2 (using the K12ltsp > 4.2.0 > >> ISO's burned to CD), the installer does not go to > the > >> GUI. Instead it asks me for the install medium > (hard > >> drive, CD ROM, network). I tell it to install > from > >> the CD ROM but it says it cannot find it! > > K12LTSP 4.2.0 is based on FC3, not FC2. Are you > sure you have 4.2.0? > Are you sure you are installing FC2? > > >> What is going on here? I just used these exact > CDs to > >> install FC2 on a different machine and it worked > fine. > >> I'm willing to try the install via NFS if I need > to, > >> but I'd like to know why this isn't working on > this > >> machine. Could it be that the video card isn't > >> recognized by the installer? But that wouldn't > >> explain why I couldn't continue the install from > CD > >> though. > > It's possible that the CD drive is the problem. I > had a case (on an > older version) where I could not boot from the CD > and even when I booted > from a floppy and tried to start a CD install, I > could not because the > CD drive could not be found. > > Can you boot other disks in the CD drive (Knoppix, > for instance)? If > so, this may not be your problem. But if your > system cannot read from > the CD, it's just not going to work. > > -- > Henry > henry: you are correct. it is FC3! my mistake. i was able to successfully install RH8 (K12LTSP 3.0.0) from the CDs, and that was just a few weeks ago. but, now when i use these FC3 CDs, it goes to the boot screen and then no GUI (which makes me think it has a problem with the video card), but i don't understand why i can't install from the CDs any way... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Feb 22 17:28:08 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:28:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing FC2 (4.2.0), but no GUI In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C68@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C68@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20050222172808.GA24586@fpcc.net> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 11:15:30AM -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 at 10:34 AM Richard Ingalls said: > >> > >> When trying to install FC2 (using the K12ltsp 4.2.0 > >> ISO's burned to CD), the installer does not go to the > >> GUI. Instead it asks me for the install medium (hard > >> drive, CD ROM, network). I tell it to install from > >> the CD ROM but it says it cannot find it! > > K12LTSP 4.2.0 is based on FC3, not FC2. Are you sure you have 4.2.0? > Are you sure you are installing FC2? > > >> What is going on here? I just used these exact CDs to > >> install FC2 on a different machine and it worked fine. > >> I'm willing to try the install via NFS if I need to, > >> but I'd like to know why this isn't working on this > >> machine. Could it be that the video card isn't > >> recognized by the installer? But that wouldn't > >> explain why I couldn't continue the install from CD > >> though. > > It's possible that the CD drive is the problem. I had a case (on an > older version) where I could not boot from the CD and even when I booted > from a floppy and tried to start a CD install, I could not because the > CD drive could not be found. I had the same problem with a Knoppix CD and an old CD-ROM drive. The computer could boot from the CD, but couldn't find the Knoppix file system. It turned out I had to disable DMA on the IDE interface connected to the CDROM. Since this was the secondary IDE interface (which is typical), that meant adding "ide1=nodma" to the boot line. You might give that a try. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From johnny at msad41.us Tue Feb 22 18:19:36 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... Message-ID: <1109096376.421b77b84905a@msad41.us> This is my server that was serving IPs to 'outside' machines which are not part of my K12LTSP system...now when I try to start dhcp I get the following error message...can anyone help me out with this as I'm not quite sure where to go to do the editing.....TIA, John [root at aberdeen1 root]# service dhcpd start Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl2 Copyright 1995-2003 Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Wrote 153 leases to leases file. No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what you want, please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 is attached. ** Not configured to listen on any interfaces! John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From robark at telus.net Tue Feb 22 18:38:52 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:38:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c518e8$7eedf350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1109097532.421b7c3c06cde@webmail.telus.net> Is it possible to use FreeNX instead of VNC? I found this link which might help http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/freenx.html Robert Arkiletian From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 22 19:41:29 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:41:29 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... Message-ID: <200502221840.j1MIetV27877@downeast.net> i am not sure a my terminals would have the power to run freenx (assuming you are talking bout connecting to existing display) chuck > Is it possible to use FreeNX instead of VNC? > > I found this link which might help > http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/freenx.html > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Feb 22 19:45:21 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:45:21 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Grub=20=20int?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?eractive=20booting=20problem?= Message-ID: Dope! :-( you are dead on! I was trying to load a standard initrd with the smp kernel. It works great now, thanks for everything! >>> boris.lenzinger at castify.net 2005-02-22 09:27:25 >>> I've read around about this problem and the reason is probably that you don't use the initrd with the version number of the kernel... For instance, lines in my grub.conf are the following: =========================== title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.766_FC3) root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.img =========================== You really have to use the same version for initrd and for the kernel else you will always get in trouble. Could you send the line you use for booting ? Boris Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Thanks Boris for answering back, i`m a bit overwhelmed in my teaching > these days so i could not answer back. > You are right, there is a initrd command in grub. > I tried it but no go, It starts loading up low level drivers and then > a cascade of error messages. As far as i can see on the screen (there > may be more before but i can't scroll back the screen) i get: > loading libata.ko > libata: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module. > > The last line essentially repeats for all the latter modules. > > >>> boris.lenzinger at castify.net 2005-02-17 12:50:28 >>> > You have to specify an initrd for booting. > Once you have typed > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xxx ro root=LABEL=/ > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > you have to type > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > initrd /boot/initrd-xxx > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > where xxx is the same version as the one of the kernel. Command line > completion should be helpful to avoid typo. > > With a local boot, it works likes this but may be in LTSP (I'm not > familiar with it), it can be different. > > The root=LABEL=/ is a way to detect the / partition without having to > specify a partition like /dev/hda1 (from what I've understood). So you > can have a rack with another disk in which you have a disk where > partition slash is labelled / and it should run the same way... > > Hope it helps. > > Boris > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > > I'm trying to learn how to boot the 4.2.0 server with a grub boot disk > > and it only partially boots. > > Here is what i type: > > GRUB> root (hd0,0) yes its on /dev/hda1 > > GRUB> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=/dev/hda1 > > GRUB> boot > > > > The kernel loads up to selinux with a message about 10 lines > > before stating that it can't open a console. > > > > In menu.lst, the kernel line reads this: > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp ro root=LABEL=/1 > > > > What is this root=LABEL=/1 option? what does it mean? > > P.S.: i did try this option in grub interactive and the kernel > > crashes, it only work in the menu.lst file. > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 21:11:17 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:11:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? Message-ID: <20050222211118.29687.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> My first experience with MS Movie Maker last night (making a home movie of our brand new baby girl) was extremely easy to use. What open source software is available that can do what this product does (AND do it with such ease?). I have also seen Apple's iMovie in action and it appears to be on the same level as MS's Movie Maker. Here's what I was able to do so quickly and easily: - shot some short, grainy video clips with my digital camera (not the best way to shoot video, but oh well) - imported the clips onto a story board in Movie Maker - added animated opening titles and ending credits - inserted transitions between clips (wipe right) - added an audio clip (mp3 of a song) - exported to WMV Can we do something like this in Linux? Please tell me we can! I'd HATE to be dependent on MS for this. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 22 21:18:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu Message-ID: <002601c51924$108b9f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I just configured LTSP 4.1 onto the PPC version of Ubuntu. I think I have everything configured about right but I run into trouble when the client goes to nfs mount /opt/ltsp/i386. I get a problems saying that there is one of four problems. Either I have specified the wrong mount point in the nfs server, I don't have nfs setup right, I don't have the right settings in /etc/hosts, or something else :-) I have issued a showmount -e and a showmount -e 10.6.1.126 (the ip of the server). The first lists my two exports, the second give me an error with contacting RPC. Any ideas? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 22 21:21:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:21:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <20050222211118.29687.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c51924$68d34340$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > My first experience with MS Movie Maker last night > (making a home movie of our brand new baby girl) was > extremely easy to use. Not sure what the alternative would be, but congratulations! If she is like my last you will have plenty of late nights with a screaming child to try alternative methods :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From shahms at shahms.com Tue Feb 22 21:20:17 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:20:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <002701c51924$68d34340$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002701c51924$68d34340$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1109107217.28413.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> There aren't many good options, but Kino (http://kino.schirmacher.de/ ) usually gets the best rating. On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 15:21 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > My first experience with MS Movie Maker last night > > (making a home movie of our brand new baby girl) was > > extremely easy to use. > > Not sure what the alternative would be, but congratulations! If she is > like my last you will have plenty of late nights with a screaming child > to try alternative methods :-) > > -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 22 21:20:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:20:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <002601c51924$108b9f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002601c51924$108b9f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, There's a security setting in Ubuntu that prevents the portmapper from listening on any interface other than 127.0.0.1. Take a look at the ltsp wiki (http://wiki.ltsp.org). There's an entry on the first page for installing on Ubuntu. Within that article is the info you need to fix the problem. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just configured LTSP 4.1 onto the PPC version of Ubuntu. I think I > have everything configured about right but I run into trouble when the > client goes to nfs mount /opt/ltsp/i386. I get a problems saying that > there is one of four problems. Either I have specified the wrong mount > point in the nfs server, I don't have nfs setup right, I don't have the > right settings in /etc/hosts, or something else :-) > > I have issued a showmount -e and a showmount -e 10.6.1.126 (the ip of > the server). The first lists my two exports, the second give me an > error with contacting RPC. > > Any ideas? > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Tue Feb 22 21:22:38 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:22:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] playing wav files on terminals Message-ID: <41358.216.216.171.235.1109107358.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, despite having the sound running ok on terminals in the obvious applications (like the daily Doonesbury cartoon), Mozilla chokes on wav files. Wav seems to be the file type of choice for the voice mail stuff. Any suggestions on how to make it seamless from Mozilla, or what app to use if seamless is not an option? Thank you, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCG6Ke2LhlZOaj6vURAkIxAJwPqhheeY5bTfUpufgk5b1OrzW9hgCfXHyf 99PK9BGz3ohgqe3y8FXtm6c= =oJy0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 22 21:27:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off Message-ID: <002801c51925$517120e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I have seen some stuff on this list over the last few days regarding cleaning out /tmp and killing user processes and such. The following is a snip from a post on the ltsp mailing list that looks like a good solution. Instead of killing /tmp and user process with a scheduled cron, it kills processes and /tmp/files by user on user logoff. First is a description of the original post, then anothers users suggestion for a fix. Would it make sense to incorporate something like this as a built in tool to prevent buildup of defunct user stuff which seems to lead to crashes? Original Post -------------------------------------------------- > I'm looking for a simple way to kill off any > leftover, orphan, or > defunct processes that remain alive after a user is disconnected from > the server. > > We are running Fedora Core 3 and GDM as the display > manager. > > I have read a little about using the postsession > script to kill these > processes off, but haven't found a really clear > instruction on how to > accomplish this. -------------------------------------------------- Posted Solution -------------------------------------------------- I've had good results using the debian "slay" command called by /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default. You can download slay as a .tar.gz http://ftp.port80.se/debian/pool/main/s/slay/ Note that I also remove all /tmp/ files owned by the user in a fairly sloppy manner. (I depend on unix permissions to protect files not owned by the user.) The important part of PostSession/Default is: ---------- if [ "$USER" != "root" ] ; then rm -rf /tmp/* slay $USER fi ---------- My entire PostSession/Default is: ---------- #!/bin/sh PATH="/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/X11R6/bin:$PATH:/bin:/usr/bin" SESSREG=`which sessreg 2>/dev/null` if [ "x$SESSREG" != "x" ] ; then "$SESSREG" -d -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "$X_SERVERS" -h "$REMOTE_HOST" -l "$DISPLAY" "$USER" fi if [ "$USER" != "root" ] ; then rm -rf /tmp/* slay $USER fi exit 0 ---------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 22 21:33:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:33:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c51926$349e7a20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > There's a security setting in Ubuntu that prevents the > portmapper from listening on any interface other than 127.0.0.1. > > Take a look at the ltsp wiki (http://wiki.ltsp.org). There's > an entry on the first page for installing on Ubuntu. Within > that article is the info you need to fix the problem. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Thanks Jim. It is rockin' now. I figured I was missing something stupid. I need to get more into the habit of checking the wiki :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 22 21:33:03 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:33:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: text only internet Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D6E@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] text only internet >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Nakashima wrote: >have you ever seen sexually explicit text sites, I haven't if they exist >and I would not doubt that they do, they are pretty rare. No, they are not rare, just not as common as they used to be ten years ago before the internet became popular. They are called erotic short stories, etc. A quick search of almost any general purpose newsgroup archive will locate plenty of examples. Dansguardian is an ideal tool to dynamically detect this type of information. And for the person that wanted to 'double up' on filtering by using both Dansguardian and squidGuard, that is a silly idea. Dansguardian can be configured to use the same blacklist as squidGuard, so there is no point at all to doing it. The side effect would be to make your server do twice as much work to arrive at the same answer. Now, that said, Dansguardian and squidGuard do not have a 100 percent overlap in functionality. So, if you find that you need some features from both products, you could certainly run both at the same time. But if I were going to do that, I would configure each so that they were not duplicating each others work. For instance, you could have Dansguardian do all the filtering, both blacklist checking and dynamic processing of all other web traffic, while squidGuard would be used for things like blocking arbitrary networks from internet access after school hours (Which Dansguardian cannot do at this time). Of course, the licensing requirements for Dansguardian may not fit your situation, but it should be adequate for most educational institutions. Sean Harbour sharbours at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From netdxr at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 21:39:02 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:39:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <002801c51925$517120e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002801c51925$517120e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <863ff45205022213398acb3e1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have seen some stuff on this list over the last few days regarding > cleaning out /tmp and killing user processes and such. Perhaps I'm jumping in late on this thread but in 4.2.0 there is a variable in /etc/sysconfig/K12ltsp called PURGE_PROCESSES. Setting it to yes causes this script to run in:/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession: /usr/sbin/purge_user $USER SANE It only affects uid's over 500 and seems to do a good job of mopping up after a terminal user logs out. -Tom From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 22 21:55:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:55:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert Melton on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 12:13 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi-- > > I recently got word that some people are actually using >TeacherTool -- for those of you who are, let me say "I am sorry" -- it >was a quick hack of an app built for a friend. If there is some >interest in it -- I will pick it back up and improve it -- I got some >ideas for it -- just didn't know if there was any interest. > > I am wondering what the current state of it is -- how much >work has been done on it -- any interesting fixes and hacks, please >mail them to me -- I will tie together a central repo for it. Let me >know. > >--Robert Melton Hey! Welcome back! I actually picked it up a while back and managed (with lots of help) to get it running on later versions of K12LTSP. In fact it was Donald Ellerich(?) of Yorktown HS that helped me attack the VNCreflector issue back then. Right now we're having a helluva' time getting VNCReflector running on FC3. Nonetheless, I'd be happy to work on testing it with you...I use it all the time and had Eric include it in K12LTSP a while back. Anything we can make better would be great :-) Let me know what you'd like to have and where you want me to send it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 22 21:59:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:59:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... In-Reply-To: <1109097532.421b7c3c06cde@webmail.telus.net> References: < > <001b01c518e8$7eedf350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <1109097532.421b7c3c06cde@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 1:38 PM +0000 wrote: >Is it possible to use FreeNX instead of VNC? > >I found this link which might help >http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/freenx.html > >Robert Arkiletian At the moment...freenx would probably add too much overhead due to compression. In my initial tests...NX....does not gain us anything when using it on a LAN...in fact, it hurts a little....my assumption is due to the overhead of compression. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 22 22:03:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:03:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <002901c51926$349e7a20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002901c51926$349e7a20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 4:33 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks Jim. It is rockin' now. I figured I was missing something >stupid. I need to get more into the habit of checking the wiki :-) Dude! You have LTSP server running on Ubuntu on a Mac? This is so cool! I need you to document it all so I can duplicate....I'm teaching a class until Friday and would love to demo this. I have a lot of folks here asking about this....they're looking to set up a tri-platform scenario in the conference center that I'm teaching it and this is how they can do it. (plus I love Ubuntu) Hopefully Jim can fill us in on how things went with the Ubuntu folks... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From raimond at pc7.co.nz Tue Feb 22 22:36:02 2005 From: raimond at pc7.co.nz (raimond at pc7.co.nz) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:36:02 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 Message-ID: I have been watching the K12 discussion for some months and have found the discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone who contributes. I have learnt a lot and am very excited about the software and its use. I have it installed in a small 6 user test environment and was wondering what anti virus software is being used with this operating system. I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software and would appreciate any suggestions and assistance in setting up an antivirus solution with the package. Raimond Donk r aimond at pc7.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 23:03:49 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:03:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problems Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've been having a problem with printing on our 4.2 system. I have two HP2300 printers -networked Jet-directs that will print reliably for a couple of days then just quit. Users who log on don't have these printers available in their printer list. Just "Generic Printer" shows up... While the printers are lost from the selection, cups can not be accesed through the web interface at localhost:631/admin. After a service cups restart everything seems to be normal again. After the restart, there are no pending jobs. Users who had Generic Printer have the two printers once again listed to choose from next time they log on. This seems to happen every day or two. Does anyone have any similar troubles? This could be due to our losy network not being able to find the pinters sometimes because of disconnectivity?? I'm almost ready to write a cron job to do a cups restart every hour! From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 22 23:05:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:05:54 GMT Subject: Fwd: RE: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... Message-ID: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> i did this morning..i finally got my passwd change from windows working..too much garbage in my smb.conf..particularly extra unix passwd sync=yes unnecessary and screwing up the works..plus passwd chat line.. building three new servers and putting a fourth on line today..had a night mare with kdm ..took forever to go from grayscreen/x to login..because rhel 4 by default loads ipv6 module... standardized on rhel3 ..so i'll have five alike in cave hill beech hill trenton hancock surry..plus my sandbox.. grat having you to lead this yokel; around a little in Boston..Ill never go thtru a revolving door again without thinking of it chuck > Not sure you saw this thread....you should send your TeacherTool2 > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:12:09 AM > Registered: Message > From: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] I am the Teachertool Author... > To: "'Robert Melton'" > "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > Bcc: David Trask > > >> Currently, TeacherTool lacks a home (it was software written > >> in a day for a friend), I will create a home for it on my > >> companies website shortly (by the end of the week). I am > >> trying to dig up modified versions so the community gets the > >> best benefit from it -- I will merge all the good ideas into it. > > > Hopefully Chuck Liebow will pick up this thread. He seems to use this > heavily and has added some features such as a runspy button (allows the > teacher to view students sessions and take control if desired). He most > likely would have the most up to date versions for you to take a look > at. > > On another note, if you could work on this again it would be awesome. I > am not sure if you are familiar with Apple Remote Desktop or the old > Network Assistant, but I see TeacherTool as being the Linux alternative. > The main tools in ARD that I use are the following: > Copy software/links to client machines (maybe could incorporate the > k12ltsp push icons script) > Control/Observe specific students machines > Running task list by client (gives an idea of what they are up to before > observing) > Kill all running programs/processes per client > Client Shutdown/Restart (Easy way on weekends to shut down all labs > remotely, but probably tough with thins) > > I have not been able to use the current TeacherTool yet but will > shortly. I am assuming it only gives access to viewing users on the > same server that the tool is running on. So if it is not available yet > the ability to add multiple servers to the same tool with access via > dropdown could be handy. Might ease administration of larger > implementations. > > Thanks for the resparked interest, and go nuts :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Feb 22 23:56:49 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:56:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502222347.j1MNlNY25017@www.mi-spot.com> Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't need anti-virus. One of the biggest differences between Windows and Linux is that Linux is incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and it won't let programs run or install without explicit authority. Unless you install and run malicious code as root, you will have a difficult time getting infected. You will also find that there are far fewer pop-ups, and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware and viruses are written for windows because it will let nearly anything run. I'm sure there are others here who might be able to explain better, but till then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Eric _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of raimond at pc7.co.nz Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 I have been watching the K12 discussion for some months and have found the discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone who contributes. I have learnt a lot and am very excited about the software and its use. I have it installed in a small 6 user test environment and was wondering what anti virus software is being used with this operating system. I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software and would appreciate any suggestions and assistance in setting up an antivirus solution with the package. Raimond Donk raimond at pc7.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Feb 23 00:29:34 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:29:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Putting a scanner on a terminal Message-ID: <421BCE6E.6080607@elp.rr.com> I have an HP Scanjet6200c/6250 USB scanner that I would like for my students to be able to scan as needed. With the arrangement of my classroon I can set it next to and connect it to a terminal. I am currently using K12LTSP 4.01 FC-2, I think I wrote that correctly. So here are some questions: 1. which files do I need to edit? 2. What changes do I need to make in those files? 3. Is there a wiki that has all of the info I need? 4. What else might I need to know or do to accomplish this project? Thanks Pat From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 23 00:36:56 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:36:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D6F@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? http://kino.schirmacher.de/article/view/87/1/7/ Kino is supposed to be very good. Another option might be Cinelerra, but it is definitely not aimed at the casual user. I haven't tried Kino though, and I imagine it might stress the network a bit more than the average application in a K12LTSP environment. While we are on the subject, has anybody tried delivering multiple video streams to a K12LTSP lab? How did it hold up? Wouldn't that be nifty, a complete video editing lab running off of a K12LTSP... Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2754 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robark at telus.net Wed Feb 23 00:46:59 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:46:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing Mice! Message-ID: <421BD283.6040901@telus.net> Mice are sometimes freezing. Keyboard input is fine. X is still up but I have to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get mouse back. Anyone solve this problem? I'm running 3.1.2 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Feb 23 01:13:10 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:13:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D6F@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058D6F@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <421BD8A6.2010700@paasda.org> I do not suggest Cinelerra...there is really nothing simple about that program =) --Huck Sean Harbour wrote: >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? > >http://kino.schirmacher.de/article/view/87/1/7/ > >Kino is supposed to be very good. Another option might be Cinelerra, but it is definitely not aimed at the casual user. I haven't tried Kino though, and I imagine it might stress the network a bit more than the average application in a K12LTSP environment. While we are on the subject, has anybody tried delivering multiple video streams to a K12LTSP lab? How did it hold up? Wouldn't that be nifty, a complete video editing lab running off of a K12LTSP... > >Sean Harbour > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 23 01:43:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:43:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109123016.19257.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 17:03, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've been having a problem with printing on our 4.2 system. I have two > HP2300 printers -networked Jet-directs that will print reliably for a couple > of days then just quit. Are you current with updates? I think I've seen a couple go past for cups, but I don't know what they fixed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 02:01:50 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:01:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <1109096376.421b77b84905a@msad41.us> References: <1109096376.421b77b84905a@msad41.us> Message-ID: <2b06a1a05022218013989051c@mail.gmail.com> Can please you post your /etc/dhcpd.conf and your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd? On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:36 -0500, John T. Leonard wrote: > This is my server that was serving IPs to 'outside' machines which are not part > of my K12LTSP system...now when I try to start dhcp I get the following error > message...can anyone help me out with this as I'm not quite sure where to go to > do the editing.....TIA, John > > [root at aberdeen1 root]# service dhcpd start > Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl2 > Copyright 1995-2003 Internet Software Consortium. > All rights reserved. > For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP > Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. > Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. > Wrote 153 leases to leases file. > > No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). > ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what > you want, please write a subnet declaration > in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment > to which interface eth0 is attached. ** > > Not configured to listen on any interfaces! > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 23 02:35:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 02:35:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] acces over the internet Message-ID: <200502230134.j1N1YvV21091@downeast.net> nx so far is very cool..it is not ltsp but gains you a desktop on your server encrypted and compressed.. chuck > hi > how can i get the best performance to acces the k12ltsp server > over the internet > rgds > harry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 03:11:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:11:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <002901c51926$349e7a20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050223025935.M54139@winonacotter.org> > Dude! You have LTSP server running on Ubuntu on a Mac? This is so > cool! I need you to document it all so I can duplicate....I'm > teaching a class until Friday and would love to demo this. I have a > lot of folks here asking about this....they're looking to set up a > tri-platform scenario in the conference center that I'm teaching it > and this is how they can do it. > (plus I love Ubuntu) Hopefully Jim can fill us in on how things > went with the Ubuntu folks... :-) Actually it was much easier to start with a base OS and just go for LTSP instead of k12ltsp. When I used k12ltsp on top of YellowDog I had tried to throw k12 on it and ran into a bunch of problems with i386 based architectures. The straight ltsp 4.1 seems to use all non-architecture based files. For starters use the instructions here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ubuntu for the Ubuntu specific stuff and then install ltsp as normal on top. When everything is installed run ltspadmin and ltspcfg. I am working right now to see if I can get sound to the clients on i386, then will work for sound on ppc (right now I just get different static tones :-). When I get that done I'll throw out any documentation for setup. I also slammed in the custom dhcp.conf from k12ltsp with ppc support instead of the default ltsp generated one. But for the most part ltsp seems to install on top of a ppc distro about the same as on a i386. I still don't know what programs to run from a ppc server or why I would want to do so, but hey, why not :-) A lot of the programs with k12ltsp have i386 dependancies. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 03:23:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:23:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Putting a scanner on a terminal In-Reply-To: <421BCE6E.6080607@elp.rr.com> References: <421BCE6E.6080607@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050223031944.M23227@winonacotter.org> > I have an HP Scanjet6200c/6250 USB scanner that I would like for my > students to be able to scan as needed. With the arrangement of my > classroon I can set it next to and connect it to a terminal. I am > currently using K12LTSP 4.01 FC-2, I think I wrote that correctly. > So here are some questions: > > 1. which files do I need to edit? > 2. What changes do I need to make in those files? > 3. Is there a wiki that has all of the info I need? > 4. What else might I need to know or do to accomplish this project? I set up a Epson Perfection 1260 on my home server a few months ago. I got some info from the list here and some from google searches. I don't remember off hand how this was accomplished and haven't tested it much except for the first night, basically just set it up to see if it was possible. I did however run across posts stating to be careful as the wrong settings have been known to damage certain scanners. I will see if I can get time tomorrow night and have a look at some old notes and see what made this work unless someone is able to help you out in the meantime. I know there was some lts.conf module settings and I used XSane as the scanning program. But not sure what else, but rest assured it is possible. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Feb 23 05:39:36 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:39:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing Mice! In-Reply-To: <421BD283.6040901@telus.net> References: <421BD283.6040901@telus.net> Message-ID: <421C1718.9030804@cox.net> I had the same problem with 3.x. Can't rember if I fixed it with the upgrade to 4.x or just by adding a little more RAM to the clients. Maybe both. Luis Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Mice are sometimes freezing. Keyboard input is fine. X is still up but > I have to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get mouse back. > > Anyone solve this problem? I'm running 3.1.2 > From robark at telus.net Wed Feb 23 06:31:56 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:31:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing Mice! In-Reply-To: <421C1718.9030804@cox.net> References: <421BD283.6040901@telus.net> <421C1718.9030804@cox.net> Message-ID: <421C235C.8060904@telus.net> Luis Montes wrote: > I had the same problem with 3.x. > Can't rember if I fixed it with the upgrade to 4.x or just by adding a > little more RAM to the clients. > Maybe both. > My clients have 196MB so I can't imagine that not being enough. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Feb 23 07:49:15 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:49:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <863ff45205022213398acb3e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <002801c51925$517120e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <863ff45205022213398acb3e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109144955.421c357be06a4@www.rixnet.se> Hi! The problem with this solution is that it only works if the user has logged out. For example a pulled powercord or a network failiure will bypass the Postsession script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm (Gnome Display Manager) the session isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this so if they find a fix i think we should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous clients who cant log in or experience strange errors in ooffice and other apps in because of orphaned processes. This have most often occured after one of the client has died or lost connectivity. If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a pig =) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152906 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152907 /daniel Citerar Tom Lisjac : > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0600, Jim Kronebusch > wrote: > > I have seen some stuff on this list over the last few days regarding > > cleaning out /tmp and killing user processes and such. > > Perhaps I'm jumping in late on this thread but in 4.2.0 there is a > variable in /etc/sysconfig/K12ltsp called PURGE_PROCESSES. Setting it > to yes causes this script to run in:/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession: > > /usr/sbin/purge_user $USER SANE > > It only affects uid's over 500 and seems to do a good job of mopping > up after a terminal user logs out. > > -Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 23 08:06:00 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:06:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] gimp In-Reply-To: <20050222111442.29747.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <200502210049.j1L0n8X05843@www.mi-spot.com> <20050222111442.29747.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223080600.GB18873@sonic.net> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 03:14:42AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > Speaking of the GIMP, is there a simpler alternative? > Maybe something along the lines of the basic editing > software that comes packaged with a digital camera? KView in KDE seems pretty basic, but also pretty useful. It's an image viewer and can do slideshows and such. It can also crop, rotate, and let you change gamma, tint the image ("blend color") and change the brightness/intensity of an image, and save it back (or 'Save As' to a new file). Kolourpaint in KDE is more of a drawing program, but is still extremely basic, compared to Gimp (from what I can tell). It has some drawing and selection tools, as well as crop, scale, rotate, flip, and a number of other effects ('balance' for brightness/contrast/gamma, an 'emboss' effect, sharpen/soften, and others). Debian shows the following 'Installed-Size' on my i386 Sarge (Testing) box: (not counting the dependencies) Gimp: 8236 Kolourpaint: 1736 KView: 1444 I'm sure there are others... probably some GNOME alternatives to these KDE apps I've listed. I just don't use GNOME these days, so I'm not familiar with what's available any more. :^) Good luck!!! -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 23 08:07:51 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:07:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: <20050220010135.25099.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <13150962.1108844595590.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> <20050220010135.25099.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223080751.GC18873@sonic.net> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 05:01:35PM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I think konqueror is in a kde-base-something package, > isn't it? > > If you can't get rid of it, is it possible to > configure konqueror to only act as a file browser? I'm guessing yes, with the KDE Kiosk framework. (Just disallow any HTTP access, for example.) Of course, you'll have to worry about kids browsing with a text browser, finding images, saving them to the HDD, and then loading them in Konqueror (or another image-capable file browser) or in image viewers/editors. :^/ -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 23 08:09:14 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:09:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] text only internet In-Reply-To: References: <6F27A4C4-836D-11D9-8438-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <20050223080914.GD18873@sonic.net> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:15:18PM -0500, Access Systems wrote: > have you ever seen sexually explicit text sites, I haven't if they exist > and I would not doubt that they do, they are pretty rare. Well, alt.sex.* with Google Groups via a text browser...? *shrug* -bill! From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:07:22 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <1109107217.28413.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050223110722.74765.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> In my experience, Kino is pretty good. But on my system at least, I wish there were more export options. It'll do mpeg, but I have codecs for Xvid, DivX, and some others that don't show up in Kino's choices. I haven't really looked into fixing that, so it may be something really simple. Kino lets you do the video capture from your firewire port. Anyway, I also use Avidemux, which automatically gives me the option of exporting with those other codecs that I installed separately. Avidemux doesn't do transitions, as far as I know, just cuts. I've found that these two combined give me all the options I need to make decent view-on-the-computer videos. What I haven't found yet is a good gui dvd authoring tool that works on my system. -Rob --- Shahms King wrote: > There aren't many good options, but Kino > (http://kino.schirmacher.de/ ) > usually gets the best rating. > > On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 15:21 -0600, Jim Kronebusch > wrote: > > > My first experience with MS Movie Maker last > night > > > (making a home movie of our brand new baby girl) > was > > > extremely easy to use. > > > > Not sure what the alternative would be, but > congratulations! If she is > > like my last you will have plenty of late nights > with a screaming child > > to try alternative methods :-) > > > > > -- > Shahms E. King > Multnomah ESD > > Public Key: > http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc > Fingerprint: > 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:09:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:09:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <002601c51924$108b9f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050223110932.75218.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Jim, I got a similar error when trying to get ltsp to run on Mandrake. All i remember for sure is that the problem was not one of the 4 things listed. I think it was something screwy in my dhcpd.conf file, but I wish I could remember for sure. I specifically remember it was not nfs-related. It probably had to do with the root-option setting or some other tftpd-related setting. -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just configured LTSP 4.1 onto the PPC version of > Ubuntu. I think I > have everything configured about right but I run > into trouble when the > client goes to nfs mount /opt/ltsp/i386. I get a > problems saying that > there is one of four problems. Either I have > specified the wrong mount > point in the nfs server, I don't have nfs setup > right, I don't have the > right settings in /etc/hosts, or something else :-) > > I have issued a showmount -e and a showmount -e > 10.6.1.126 (the ip of > the server). The first lists my two exports, the > second give me an > error with contacting RPC. > > Any ideas? > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:29:43 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <200502222347.j1MNlNY25017@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I believe Linspire sells an antivirus package for Linux. I'm not sure if it will run only on Linspire, though. I believe it is not needed, but Linspire offers it because their marketing studies showed that former Microsoft users were not willing to use an operating system that does not have an antivirus package. They sell it for money because it costs them to subscribe to the virus database. But again, I don't think it's needed due to the reasons Eric Brown stated. Just make sure you use a firewall. That said, I would like to have a utility similar to Sygate Personal Firewall for Windows which alerts you anytime a program tries to access the internet. Is there such a thing for Linux? Sygate Personal Firewall would stop the traffic, ask me if it's ok to proceed, and tell me which program was trying to connect to what website/ipaddress. -Rob --- Eric Brown wrote: > Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't need > anti-virus. > > > > One of the biggest differences between Windows and > Linux is that Linux is > incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and it > won't let programs run > or install without explicit authority. > > > > Unless you install and run malicious code as root, > you will have a difficult > time getting infected. You will also find that > there are far fewer pop-ups, > and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware > and viruses are written > for windows because it will let nearly anything run. > > > > I'm sure there are others here who might be able to > explain better, but till > then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. > > Eric > > > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of raimond at pc7.co.nz > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being > used on K12 > > > > > > I have been watching the K12 discussion for some > months and have found the > discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone > who contributes. I have > learnt a lot and am very excited about the software > and its use. I have it > installed in a small 6 user test environment and was > wondering what anti > virus software is being used with this operating > system. > > > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software > and would appreciate > any suggestions and assistance in setting up an > antivirus solution with the > package. > > > > > > Raimond Donk > > raimond at pc7.co.nz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:41:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:41:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <1109144955.421c357be06a4@www.rixnet.se> Message-ID: <20050223114125.94187.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> How about running a script like this at login time, instead of at logout time? Or maybe at both login and logout? Why is it that the processes don't die, anyway? -Rob --- Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hi! > > The problem with this solution is that it only works > if the user has logged out. > For example a pulled powercord or a network failiure > will bypass the Postsession > script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm (Gnome > Display Manager) the session > isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this so if > they find a fix i think we > should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous clients > who cant log in or experience > strange errors in ooffice and other apps in because > of orphaned processes. This > have most often occured after one of the client has > died or lost connectivity. > > If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a pig > =) > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152906 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152907 > > /daniel > > Citerar Tom Lisjac : > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0600, Jim Kronebusch > > > wrote: > > > I have seen some stuff on this list over the > last few days regarding > > > cleaning out /tmp and killing user processes and > such. > > > > Perhaps I'm jumping in late on this thread but in > 4.2.0 there is a > > variable in /etc/sysconfig/K12ltsp called > PURGE_PROCESSES. Setting it > > to yes causes this script to run > in:/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession: > > > > /usr/sbin/purge_user $USER SANE > > > > It only affects uid's over 500 and seems to do a > good job of mopping > > up after a terminal user logs out. > > > > -Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > ('< > ----------------+------------------------------- > /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan > <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ > __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Feb 23 12:30:06 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:30:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <20050223114125.94187.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050223114125.94187.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1109161806.421c774e9d0c3@www.rixnet.se> I dont know if thats such a good idea, what if i want to login from two places at once? The user ps should be killed at logout or at disconnected session, killing them at login is, well, backwards. The same issue is making linux look unstable if i use it at a normal desktop extensively under longer periods. I have seen this behaviour on Gentoo, Redhat FC1, 2 and 3 and Ubuntu Linux. The common dominator is that i have used GDM on them all. Why the processes wont die i dont know but i suspect that they are just left hanging totally unwitting the state of the session. Maybe i should just shut up and get my behind on track learning programming. =) /daniel Citerar Rob Owens : > How about running a script like this at login time, > instead of at logout time? Or maybe at both login and > logout? > > Why is it that the processes don't die, anyway? > > -Rob > > --- Daniel Hedblom > wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > The problem with this solution is that it only works > > if the user has logged out. > > For example a pulled powercord or a network failiure > > will bypass the Postsession > > script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm (Gnome > > Display Manager) the session > > isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this so if > > they find a fix i think we > > should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous clients > > who cant log in or experience > > strange errors in ooffice and other apps in because > > of orphaned processes. This > > have most often occured after one of the client has > > died or lost connectivity. > > > > If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a pig > > =) > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152906 > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152907 > > > > /daniel > > > > Citerar Tom Lisjac : > > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0600, Jim Kronebusch > > > > > wrote: > > > > I have seen some stuff on this list over the > > last few days regarding > > > > cleaning out /tmp and killing user processes and > > such. > > > > > > Perhaps I'm jumping in late on this thread but in > > 4.2.0 there is a > > > variable in /etc/sysconfig/K12ltsp called > > PURGE_PROCESSES. Setting it > > > to yes causes this script to run > > in:/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession: > > > > > > /usr/sbin/purge_user $USER SANE > > > > > > It only affects uid's over 500 and seems to do a > > good job of mopping > > > up after a terminal user logs out. > > > > > > -Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ('< > > ----------------+------------------------------- > > /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan > > <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ > > > __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 23 12:36:21 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:36:21 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Idealx Management Console Message-ID: <005501c519a4$48e5d540$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Is anyone using Idealx Management Console (IMC) with Samba Console ? It's running on a Suse 9.1 system, I've got LDAP & Samba 3 running on it using a combination of sources for information. I have IMC installed and it seems to be running but I'm having trouble with it allowing me to create users. When I click on the button I get this error 2005-02-22 16:05:42,776 [3789] IMC.HTTP.Server ERROR - A fatal error occured : Insufficient access The problem is I'm not sure what I have Insufficient Access to ?? I can access the other bits I've email the idealx lists but I thought I ask here as well just incase this is something anyone else has come across and cured hopefully. I think it's todo with acls on the LDAP directory. Thanks Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 23 12:39:31 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:39:31 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 References: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Rob Owens wrote: > I believe Linspire sells an antivirus package for > Linux. I'm not sure if it will run only on Linspire, > though. I believe it is not needed, but Linspire > offers it because their marketing studies showed that > former Microsoft users were not willing to use an > operating system that does not have an antivirus > package. They sell it for money because it costs them > to subscribe to the virus database. > > But again, I don't think it's needed due to the > reasons Eric Brown stated. Just make sure you use a > firewall. > > That said, I would like to have a utility similar to > Sygate Personal Firewall for Windows which alerts you > anytime a program tries to access the internet. Is > there such a thing for Linux? Sygate Personal > Firewall would stop the traffic, ask me if it's ok to > proceed, and tell me which program was trying to > connect to what website/ipaddress. > > -Rob > > --- Eric Brown wrote: > >> Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't need >> anti-virus. >> >> >> >> One of the biggest differences between Windows and >> Linux is that Linux is >> incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and it >> won't let programs run >> or install without explicit authority. >> >> >> >> Unless you install and run malicious code as root, >> you will have a difficult >> time getting infected. You will also find that >> there are far fewer pop-ups, >> and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware >> and viruses are written >> for windows because it will let nearly anything run. >> >> >> >> I'm sure there are others here who might be able to >> explain better, but till >> then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >> Of raimond at pc7.co.nz >> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being >> used on K12 >> >> >> >> >> >> I have been watching the K12 discussion for some >> months and have found the >> discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone >> who contributes. I have >> learnt a lot and am very excited about the software >> and its use. I have it >> installed in a small 6 user test environment and was >> wondering what anti >> virus software is being used with this operating >> system. >> >> >> >> I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software >> and would appreciate >> any suggestions and assistance in setting up an >> antivirus solution with the >> package. >> >> >> >> >> >> Raimond Donk >> >> raimond at pc7.co.nz >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I've used Sophos AV for Linux on a couple of RH9 box's. I've also heard good report about ClamAV (think thats the name) from the LUG I'm a member of. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 23 12:56:55 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:56:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <7bc2c6489d1b8a9bae553b1db6334134@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use ClamAV to scan incomming emails. Since we have windows clients, this is very useful. But you really don't need AV for the linux machines themselves, it's more to protect any windows machines on the network. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIcfZcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQl7wCfQQQr1zergpqW+pImpY10LcRW X28AnRZ5koa8Gxk8eeE5WKBnb53W51iD =YaCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From johnny at msad41.us Wed Feb 23 13:02:29 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:02:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a05022218013989051c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1109096376.421b77b84905a@msad41.us> <2b06a1a05022218013989051c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109163749.421c7ee5f17a3@msad41.us> Quoting Nathan Sinton : > Can please you post your /etc/dhcpd.conf and your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd? > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:36 -0500, John T. Leonard > wrote: > > This is my server that was serving IPs to 'outside' machines which are not > part > > of my K12LTSP system...now when I try to start dhcp I get the following > error > > message...can anyone help me out with this as I'm not quite sure where to > go to > > do the editing.....TIA, John > > > > [root at aberdeen1 root]# service dhcpd start > > Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl2 > > Copyright 1995-2003 Internet Software Consortium. > > All rights reserved. > > For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP > > Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. > > Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. > > Wrote 153 leases to leases file. > > > > No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). > > ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what > > you want, please write a subnet declaration > > in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment > > to which interface eth0 is attached. ** > > > > Not configured to listen on any interfaces! Yes...here is the entry from /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd..... # Command line options here DHCPDARGS=eth0 and here is the entry from /etc/dhcpd....... # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } } I have replaced both of the NICs, although I made no changes to either of the dhcpd files...is this possibly the issue even though no file changes were made? Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From jojebo68 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 13:19:24 2005 From: jojebo68 at hotmail.com (George Bredberg) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:19:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] sound Message-ID: Hi, Hope Im not spamming you, been away from this list for some time, should really tried to catch up the reading, but I seem to have a problem with sound in k12ltsp 4.2 wich I cant solve, and have a bunch of people outside my door waiting.... I did the checks for esound that is pecified in http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html#debug-sound and everything seems to work nicely. Even tried to change to nasd, but even there I get the same problem. As soon as I start an application that uses the sound, like realplayer or audacity, I get the error message: "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." But I don't have any other applications open and it did work in v4.0 something, that I had before. In lts.conf I specified like this; In the default settings; SOUND = Y VOLUME = 75 SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" In the terminal settings; MODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Even tried this; SMODULE_01 = soundcore SMODULE_02 = uart401 SMODULE_03 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" But still the same result... Have terminals with PCI soundcards to, and the same with them. While booting I don't get any error messages, on the countrary everything seems to start nicely, inlcuding the sounddemon. Also tried the nasd demon, but still, the same.. A clue someone??? Would apreciate it. /G _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Feb 23 13:57:22 2005 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:57:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <1109163749.421c7ee5f17a3@msad41.us> References: <1109096376.421b77b84905a@msad41.us> <2b06a1a05022218013989051c@mail.gmail.com> <1109163749.421c7ee5f17a3@msad41.us> Message-ID: <1109167042.4695.47.camel@aragorn.intranet> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 08:02 -0500, John T. Leonard wrote: > I have replaced both of the NICs, although I made no changes to either of the > dhcpd files...is this possibly the issue even though no file changes were made? Maybe the cards were inversed when you replaced them - can you show us what 'ifconfig' gives? pantz From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Feb 23 14:46:41 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:46:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing Mice! In-Reply-To: <421C235C.8060904@telus.net> References: <421BD283.6040901@telus.net> <421C1718.9030804@cox.net> <421C235C.8060904@telus.net> Message-ID: <421C9751.7050405@cox.net> That's 3 times more than I have on any client. Must have been the upgrade to 4.x then. Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Luis Montes wrote: > >> I had the same problem with 3.x. >> Can't rember if I fixed it with the upgrade to 4.x or just by adding >> a little more RAM to the clients. >> Maybe both. >> > > My clients have 196MB so I can't imagine that not being enough. > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 23 14:06:51 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:06:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... Message-ID: <200502231306.j1ND6Ch06676@downeast.net> john: what is your ip address for eth0 ..chuck> Quoting Nathan Sinton : > > > Can please you post your /etc/dhcpd.conf and your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd? > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:36 -0500, John T. Leonard > > wrote: > > > This is my server that was serving IPs to 'outside' machines which are not > > part > > > of my K12LTSP system...now when I try to start dhcp I get the following > > error > > > message...can anyone help me out with this as I'm not quite sure where to > > go to > > > do the editing.....TIA, John > > > > > > [root at aberdeen1 root]# service dhcpd start > > > Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl2 > > > Copyright 1995-2003 Internet Software Consortium. > > > All rights reserved. > > > For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP > > > Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. > > > Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. > > > Wrote 153 leases to leases file. > > > > > > No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). > > > ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what > > > you want, please write a subnet declaration > > > in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment > > > to which interface eth0 is attached. ** > > > > > > Not configured to listen on any interfaces! > > Yes...here is the entry from /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd..... > # Command line options here > DHCPDARGS=eth0 > > and here is the entry from /etc/dhcpd....... > > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > option routers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > { > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > } > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > } > } > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; > fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > host ws002 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; > fixed-address 192.168.0.2; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne"; > } > host ws003 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; > fixed-address 192.168.0.3; > # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > } > I have replaced both of the NICs, although I made no changes to either of the > dhcpd files...is this possibly the issue even though no file changes were made? > > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From missive at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 14:36:23 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:06:23 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: local floppy disk Message-ID: >Many of our users were confused by floppy access and MTools so I have >created a one page document that we laminate and tape to desk at each of >our terminals. Please feel free to copy and use at your location. I >don't think attachments are allowed on this mailing list so you can >download a copy of the PDF at: >http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/floppy_access.pdf > Nice. We have similar trouble. Some programs (kde) allow direct access to the floppy from the applications, and that always seems to be problematic. (Even moreso than floppies in general). I always say "copy to your home directory first". For one thing it works (better). The other thing is, that when the floppy goes bad (and it inevitably will) you will still have a copy of your work in your home directory. Actually, the first thing I always say is ... "isn't there some better way to move your files around than using a floppy? How about emailing the file to yourself, or uploading it to your website?" We have all these great networks and networked systems, but we are all still conditioned to reach for the floppy disks. There are still uses for floppies, but I always try to avoid using them for storing or moving files. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 23 14:37:06 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:37:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <7bc2c6489d1b8a9bae553b1db6334134@mindfirestudios.com> References: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <7bc2c6489d1b8a9bae553b1db6334134@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <421C9512.1090702@maltzen.net> Installing ClamAV on FC3 is *really* easy now. Just get the FC3 rpms at http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/3/clamav/, install, restart dovecot & sendmail, start clamav-milter, and you're done. Much easier than all the fooling around that was necessary with FC1. Perhaps it can even be installed with yum (?). Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I use ClamAV to scan incomming emails. Since we have windows clients, > this is very useful. But you really don't need AV for the linux machines > themselves, it's more to protect any windows machines on the network. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkIcfZcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQl7wCfQQQr1zergpqW+pImpY10LcRW > X28AnRZ5koa8Gxk8eeE5WKBnb53W51iD > =YaCc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 23 14:39:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:39:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <421C9512.1090702@maltzen.net> References: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <7bc2c6489d1b8a9bae553b1db6334134@mindfirestudios.com> <421C9512.1090702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <421C95B5.7030903@maltzen.net> Oops, don't forget to start clamd and freshclam, too. Petre Scheie wrote: > Installing ClamAV on FC3 is *really* easy now. Just get the FC3 rpms at > http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/3/clamav/, install, restart dovecot > & sendmail, start clamav-milter, and you're done. Much easier than all > the fooling around that was necessary with FC1. Perhaps it can even be > installed with yum (?). > > Petre > > Burke Almquist wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I use ClamAV to scan incomming emails. Since we have windows clients, >> this is very useful. But you really don't need AV for the linux >> machines themselves, it's more to protect any windows machines on the >> network. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkIcfZcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQl7wCfQQQr1zergpqW+pImpY10LcRW >> X28AnRZ5koa8Gxk8eeE5WKBnb53W51iD >> =YaCc >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Wed Feb 23 14:46:28 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:46:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421C9744.8060600@czexan.net> raimond at pc7.co.nz wrote: > > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software and would > appreciate any suggestions and assistance in setting up an antivirus > solution with the package. Raimond, Another option may be f-prot as seen in http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/knoppixhks/chapter/hack78.pdf Thanks, Dale From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 15:04:13 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:04:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off Message-ID: In my 3.x install, all proccesses for a user were killed at both ends. A script ran at logon that killed all processes and also at logoff. I wish I could find it. I don't seem to have a need for it this year. I don't know if this was standard on the 3.x, or if I added it at someone's suggestion. Jim The problem with this solution is that it only works if the user has logged out. For example a pulled powercord or a network failiure will bypass the Postsession script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm (Gnome Display Manager) the session isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this so if they find a fix i think we should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous clients who cant log in or experience strange errors in ooffice and other apps in because of orphaned processes. This have most often occured after one of the client has died or lost connectivity. If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a pig =) From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 15:11:18 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:11:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <1109161806.421c774e9d0c3@www.rixnet.se> Message-ID: <20050223151118.92839.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> On my system if I attempt to log in while I'm already logged in somewhere else, gdm notifies me and asks something like "abort or log in anyway?". I guess that could be changed to "kill the other session or log in anyway". Well I don't know how to do it, but I'm sure it could be done... -Rob --- Daniel Hedblom wrote: > I dont know if thats such a good idea, what if i > want to login from two places > at once? The user ps should be killed at logout or > at disconnected session, > killing them at login is, well, backwards. The same > issue is making linux look > unstable if i use it at a normal desktop extensively > under longer periods. I > have seen this behaviour on Gentoo, Redhat FC1, 2 > and 3 and Ubuntu Linux. The > common dominator is that i have used GDM on them > all. > > Why the processes wont die i dont know but i suspect > that they are just left > hanging totally unwitting the state of the session. > > Maybe i should just shut up and get my behind on > track learning programming. > > =) > > /daniel > > Citerar Rob Owens : > > > How about running a script like this at login > time, > > instead of at logout time? Or maybe at both login > and > > logout? > > > > Why is it that the processes don't die, anyway? > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Daniel Hedblom > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > The problem with this solution is that it only > works > > > if the user has logged out. > > > For example a pulled powercord or a network > failiure > > > will bypass the Postsession > > > script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm > (Gnome > > > Display Manager) the session > > > isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this > so if > > > they find a fix i think we > > > should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous > clients > > > who cant log in or experience > > > strange errors in ooffice and other apps in > because > > > of orphaned processes. This > > > have most often occured after one of the client > has > > > died or lost connectivity. > > > > > > If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a > pig > > > =) > > > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152906 > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152907 > > > > > > /daniel > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 15:11:02 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:11:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problems Message-ID: Thanks Les, I was wondering about that too. My home box- identical to school except for ram, has certainly had a ton of cups updates... I've booked off the labs this afternoon to just do a re-install of the ltsp system. I've pooched the dependencies for apt, and firefox won't print. It'll now just be way faster for me to just slam the CDs through the box again and pop the configs back now, than chase all of these troubles... Assuming another unexpected gremlin doesn't lift its head! I wonder if doing an update would work? Jim >I've been having a problem with printing on our 4.2 system. I have two >HP2300 printers -networked Jet-directs that will print reliably for a >couple of days then just quit. Are you current with updates? I think I've seen a couple go past for cups, but I don't know what they fixed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Feb 23 15:14:24 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:14:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Library Automation Message-ID: <421C9DD0.9040301@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, This is a two-part question. 1.) Is anyone out there currently using an Open Source library automation system that is working well, and 2.) would you be willing to share your experience/expertise with me? We've been using a proprietary system for a while now and after the last forced (and expensive, I might add) "upgrade" the thing has become almost unusable. I'd like to move to an Open Source system and have done a bit of research on the issue. I've seen Koha, Emilda, and PHPMyLibrary recommended, but haven't actually been able to get any of them to work for me. So, I'm open to any suggestions at this point. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 15:16:17 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:16:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update rather than install?? Message-ID: I've been chasing my Firefox non-printing troubles and the crashing cups for a week or so. Now, I'm just thinking about doing a re-install and not mixing/screwing up all of my apt-sources/dependencies... What if I just do an Update rather than a re-install?? I've never done an Update before. Will it replace all of my gibbled files? Then I can just go back and do a nice clean job to get a smooth running system putting the usual configs back in place. Thanks, Jim From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Feb 23 15:23:16 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (jrichie@bible.edu) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Library Automation In-Reply-To: <421C9DD0.9040301@honeygroveisd.net> References: <421C9DD0.9040301@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1109172196.16544.18.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 09:14 -0600, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > This is a two-part question. 1.) Is anyone out there currently > using an Open Source library automation system that is working well, and > 2.) would you be willing to share your experience/expertise with me? > We've been using a proprietary system for a while now and after the last > forced (and expensive, I might add) "upgrade" the thing has become > almost unusable. I'd like to move to an Open Source system and have > done a bit of research on the issue. I've seen Koha, Emilda, and > PHPMyLibrary recommended, but haven't actually been able to get any of > them to work for me. So, I'm open to any suggestions at this point. > Thanks in advance. I'd also like to hear about good work in this area. The latest LinuxJournal had an article on BRAD, an OSS prog that a radio station designed for their audio library. It might be worth looking into also. JSR/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 15:24:12 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:24:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Update rather than install?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223152412.64612.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Not sure about Fedora, but I think in general an update will leave all your existing system settings intact, and just update the software packages. Since the problem you're experiencing may be because of your settings, I think it would be a better bet to do a clean install. Of course if you have the time, try the update and if it doesn't work then you can do a clean install. -Rob --- Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've been chasing my Firefox non-printing troubles > and the crashing cups for > a week or so. > > Now, I'm just thinking about doing a re-install and > not mixing/screwing up > all of my apt-sources/dependencies... > > What if I just do an Update rather than a > re-install?? I've never done an > Update before. Will it replace all of my gibbled > files? Then I can just go > back and do a nice clean job to get a smooth running > system putting the > usual configs back in place. > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Wed Feb 23 15:41:04 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:41:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <200502222347.j1MNlNY25017@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200502222347.j1MNlNY25017@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <200502230941.04726.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> F-secure has a linux version of antivirus. It runs from the command line. Security by obscurity is a disaster waiting to happen. I agree that Linux is inherently more secure, but then again only 7 people got on the Ark. The rest were sure it could never happen. According to my Scandinavian ancestors you can never be too sure, and then you had better really double check. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy On Tuesday 22 February 2005 05:56 pm, Eric Brown wrote: > Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't need anti-virus. > > > > One of the biggest differences between Windows and Linux is that Linux is > incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and it won't let programs run > or install without explicit authority. > > > > Unless you install and run malicious code as root, you will have a > difficult time getting infected. You will also find that there are far > fewer pop-ups, and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware and > viruses are written for windows because it will let nearly anything run. > > > > I'm sure there are others here who might be able to explain better, but > till then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. > > Eric > > > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of raimond at pc7.co.nz > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 > > > > > > I have been watching the K12 discussion for some months and have found the > discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone who contributes. I have > learnt a lot and am very excited about the software and its use. I have it > installed in a small 6 user test environment and was wondering what anti > virus software is being used with this operating system. > > > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software and would appreciate > any suggestions and assistance in setting up an antivirus solution with the > package. > > > > > > Raimond Donk > > raimond at pc7.co.nz -- Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy Technology Coordinator tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Wed Feb 23 15:45:48 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:45:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <20050223151118.92839.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20050223151118.92839.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421CA52C.7040301@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> It's my understanding that there are issues in Linux with being logged in as the same user in multiple instances. Is this not correct? There are howtos on the k12 page about how to disallow multiple instances of the same login. I set those up here at my school and things are much smoother now. We had problems with users losing the ability to run Ooffice or losing documents that they were working on. Although we occasionally still have a machine freeze (working on that one), we haven't had the Ooffice problem or missing documents since. BK Rob Owens wrote: >On my system if I attempt to log in while I'm already >logged in somewhere else, gdm notifies me and asks >something like "abort or log in anyway?". I guess >that could be changed to "kill the other session or >log in anyway". Well I don't know how to do it, but >I'm sure it could be done... > >-Rob > >--- Daniel Hedblom >wrote: > > > >>I dont know if thats such a good idea, what if i >>want to login from two places >>at once? The user ps should be killed at logout or >>at disconnected session, >>killing them at login is, well, backwards. The same >>issue is making linux look >>unstable if i use it at a normal desktop extensively >>under longer periods. I >>have seen this behaviour on Gentoo, Redhat FC1, 2 >>and 3 and Ubuntu Linux. The >>common dominator is that i have used GDM on them >>all. >> >>Why the processes wont die i dont know but i suspect >>that they are just left >>hanging totally unwitting the state of the session. >> >>Maybe i should just shut up and get my behind on >>track learning programming. >> >>=) >> >>/daniel >> >>Citerar Rob Owens : >> >> >> >>>How about running a script like this at login >>> >>> >>time, >> >> >>>instead of at logout time? Or maybe at both login >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>logout? >>> >>>Why is it that the processes don't die, anyway? >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>>--- Daniel Hedblom >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi! >>>> >>>>The problem with this solution is that it only >>>> >>>> >>works >> >> >>>>if the user has logged out. >>>>For example a pulled powercord or a network >>>> >>>> >>failiure >> >> >>>>will bypass the Postsession >>>>script. Due to a problem (feature?) in gdm >>>> >>>> >>(Gnome >> >> >>>>Display Manager) the session >>>>isnt cleaned up. There are a bug filed on this >>>> >>>> >>so if >> >> >>>>they find a fix i think we >>>>should use it on ltsp. I have had numerous >>>> >>>> >>clients >> >> >>>>who cant log in or experience >>>>strange errors in ooffice and other apps in >>>> >>>> >>because >> >> >>>>of orphaned processes. This >>>>have most often occured after one of the client >>>> >>>> >>has >> >> >>>>died or lost connectivity. >>>> >>>>If anyone has a solution to this im happy as a >>>> >>>> >>pig >> >> >>>>=) >>>> >>>>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152906 >>>>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152907 >>>> >>>>/daniel >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Feb 23 15:53:59 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:53:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jim Christiansen wrote: > In my 3.x install, all proccesses for a user were killed at both ends. A > script ran at logon that killed all processes and also at logoff. I wish I > could find it. I don't seem to have a need for it this year. I squirrelled this one away - is it what you are looking for ? It runs at login time. Cheers, Andy! #!/bin/sh #Lumen Software #www.lumensoftware.com #collected from various irc chats, and mailing lists ## clean up files left in /tmp ## # evolution for evoTmpDir in /tmp/evolution-$EUID-* do [ -d $evoTmpDir ] && rm -Rf $evoTmpDir done # orbit & KDE temp directories [ -d /tmp/orbit-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/orbit-$USER [ -d /tmp/ksocket-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/ksocket-$USER [ -d /tmp/kde-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/kde-$USER [ -d /tmp/mcop-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/mcop-$USER # remove any scrollkeeper tempfiles for TempFile in /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile* do [ `stat -c %u $TempFile` -eq $EUID ] && rm -Rf $TempFile done ## session clean up ## # no touch root, many services will die [ $USER = 'root' ] && exit 0 # kill oaf daemon oafdpids=`ps -u $USER | grep oafd | cut -c1-5` [ -z $oafdpids ] || kill -1 $oafdpids # clean up unexpected LeftoverPids=`ps ho pid -u $USER` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM $USER "WARNING processes left behind" ps -aef|grep ^$USER | logger -it GDM logger -it GDM "TERM signals to $LeftoverPids" kill -15 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM sleep 1 LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM "KILL signals to $LeftoverPids" kill -9 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM sleep 1 LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM "FAIL kill $LeftoverPids" ps -aef | grep $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM fi fi fi From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 23 15:59:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:59:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Update rather than install?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109174354.26992.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 09:16, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've been chasing my Firefox non-printing troubles and the crashing cups for > a week or so. > > Now, I'm just thinking about doing a re-install and not mixing/screwing up > all of my apt-sources/dependencies... > > What if I just do an Update rather than a re-install?? I've never done an > Update before. Will it replace all of my gibbled files? Then I can just go > back and do a nice clean job to get a smooth running system putting the > usual configs back in place. The point of updates (in the RH/fedora scheme) is that they *fix problems in the base release*... If you re-install you'll still have the old bugs until you do a yum or apt update. In general, rpm updates don't overwrite your old configss at all, although in certain circumstances (like a syntax change addition of new options) a new default config will be install and your old one saved with an extension of .rpmsave. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Feb 23 15:55:42 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:55:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> Message-ID: I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows 2000 / 2003 network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, authentication/file and terminal servers running. I would like to add an LTSP to the network -- but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they are all local bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). >From all we have read, LTSP doesn't play nice in this situation. At this time, I cannot begin to change the entire network for LDAP. Just not feasible with the number of workstations and users. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Feb 23 16:23:15 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:23:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <421C9512.1090702@maltzen.net> References: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <006001c519a4$b8a59f00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <7bc2c6489d1b8a9bae553b1db6334134@mindfirestudios.com> <421C9512.1090702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1109175795.17878.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 08:37 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Installing ClamAV on FC3 is *really* easy now. Just get the FC3 rpms at > http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/3/clamav/, install, restart dovecot > & sendmail, start clamav-milter, and you're done. Much easier than all > the fooling around that was necessary with FC1. Perhaps it can even be > installed with yum (?). ClamAV is also in the new Redhat-sponsored Fedora Extras, which are non- Fedora Core packages built by the community: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/EXTRAS Add the yum repository listed in the URL, import the GPG key, and: yum install clamav -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Feb 23 16:34:36 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:34:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Library Automation In-Reply-To: <1109172196.16544.18.camel@penguin> References: <421C9DD0.9040301@honeygroveisd.net> <1109172196.16544.18.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <421CB09C.7030803@snet.net> jrichie at bible.edu wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 09:14 -0600, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >>Hello all, >> This is a two-part question. 1.) Is anyone out there currently >>using an Open Source library automation system that is working well, and >>2.) would you be willing to share your experience/expertise with me? >>We've been using a proprietary system for a while now and after the last >>forced (and expensive, I might add) "upgrade" the thing has become >>almost unusable. I'd like to move to an Open Source system and have >>done a bit of research on the issue. I've seen Koha, Emilda, and >>PHPMyLibrary recommended, but haven't actually been able to get any of >>them to work for me. So, I'm open to any suggestions at this point. >>Thanks in advance. >> >> > >I'd also like to hear about good work in this area. The latest >LinuxJournal had an article on BRAD, an OSS prog that a radio station >designed for their audio library. It might be worth looking into also. > >JSR/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Try these: OpenBiblio: http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/ MypHpLibrary: http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpmylibrary/ or Bookbase: http://bookbase.sourceforge.net/ These were found at http://linux.school-library.net tony http://www.school-library.net Freedom to Learn! From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 16:36:41 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0502230836514e4909@mail.gmail.com> see http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAuth%3APamWinBind. also try opening a teminal up and typing "authconfig" select winbind authentication. I have a test workstation logging into a win2003 domain without using any of this DOMAIN+username stuff. It also makes and mounts the user's home directories on a windows server via cifs. When I set this up on the server in a week or two I'll post the details here and on the wiki. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:55:42 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. > Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows 2000 / 2003 > network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, authentication/file and > terminal servers running. I would like to add an LTSP to the network -- > but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they are all local > bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). > > >From all we have read, LTSP doesn't play nice in this situation. At this > time, I cannot begin to change the entire network for LDAP. Just not > feasible with the number of workstations and users. > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 23 16:36:36 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:36:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> Message-ID: <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> Please elaborate on what you're trying to do. It's not clear to me what you want to accomplish. If all your clients boot from their local drives, what's the point of the terminal server? Actually, the real question is the other way around: since you can have the clients boot from an LTSP server, why even bother having a locally-installed OS on the clients? Or are these Windows boxes that need to remain so, but you want to use a boot-floppy for those times when you want them to be thin-clients? I think the simplest approach would be to start by building a two-NIC LTSP server, with one NIC connected to a switch that only has terminal clients attached to it, and the other NIC connected to your existing network. This is the default configuration for LTSP. This way, the DHCP server on the LTSP server only provides IPs to the clients, not other workstations, and it doesn't bother the rest of your existing network. Are you trying to provide additional workstations for users but have them all have access to the existing Windows resources? Petre Sharon Betts wrote: > I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. > Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows 2000 / 2003 > network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, authentication/file and > terminal servers running. I would like to add an LTSP to the network -- > but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they are all local > bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). > >>From all we have read, LTSP doesn't play nice in this situation. At this > time, I cannot begin to change the entire network for LDAP. Just not > feasible with the number of workstations and users. > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 17:01:31 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223170131.54136.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Even though Linux doesn't need any anti-virus software, if you have a mixed enviroment, it might be a good idea to have some av software on your linux box. Your box can recieve, store and transmit viruses without being infected it self. For example, windows users might put a virus on a samba share that everyone uses. Annother example is an email server. Lots of viruses get transmitted via email. I heard Clam AV is one of the best free Linux AV software to use with the two services above. Chris --- Rob Owens wrote: > I believe Linspire sells an antivirus package for > Linux. I'm not sure if it will run only on > Linspire, > though. I believe it is not needed, but Linspire > offers it because their marketing studies showed > that > former Microsoft users were not willing to use an > operating system that does not have an antivirus > package. They sell it for money because it costs > them > to subscribe to the virus database. > > But again, I don't think it's needed due to the > reasons Eric Brown stated. Just make sure you use a > firewall. > > That said, I would like to have a utility similar to > Sygate Personal Firewall for Windows which alerts > you > anytime a program tries to access the internet. Is > there such a thing for Linux? Sygate Personal > Firewall would stop the traffic, ask me if it's ok > to > proceed, and tell me which program was trying to > connect to what website/ipaddress. > > -Rob > > --- Eric Brown wrote: > > > Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't > need > > anti-virus. > > > > > > > > One of the biggest differences between Windows and > > Linux is that Linux is > > incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and > it > > won't let programs run > > or install without explicit authority. > > > > > > > > Unless you install and run malicious code as root, > > you will have a difficult > > time getting infected. You will also find that > > there are far fewer pop-ups, > > and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware > > and viruses are written > > for windows because it will let nearly anything > run. > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are others here who might be able > to > > explain better, but till > > then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of raimond at pc7.co.nz > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being > > used on K12 > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been watching the K12 discussion for some > > months and have found the > > discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone > > who contributes. I have > > learnt a lot and am very excited about the > software > > and its use. I have it > > installed in a small 6 user test environment and > was > > wondering what anti > > virus software is being used with this operating > > system. > > > > > > > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the > software > > and would appreciate > > any suggestions and assistance in setting up an > > antivirus solution with the > > package. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raimond Donk > > > > raimond at pc7.co.nz > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us Wed Feb 23 17:04:47 2005 From: jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us (John Barr) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:04:47 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 References: <20050223170131.54136.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421CB7AF.000009.03752@TECH-065397> Check out Vexira from www.centralcommand.com. It is available for schools at a terrific discount and also for Linux platfroms. Thanks, John Barr jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us Technology Systems Support Lead Person Cahokia Unit School District 187 618-332-2191 (office) or 618-806-8920 (cell) THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED AND RESTRICTED FOR USE BY THE ABOVE ADDRESSEE ONLY. IT MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER FEDERAL OR STATE LAW. IN THE EVENT SOME OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY RECEIVES THIS TRANSMISSION, SAID RECIPIENT IS HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION, OR DUPLICATION OF THIS TRANSMISSION OR ITS CONTENTS IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU SHOULD RECEIVE THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE CALL US IMMEDIATELY AT 618.332.2191, DELETE THE FILE FROM YOUR SYSTEM, AND DESTROY ANY HARD COPIES OF THIS TRANSMISSION. THANK YOU. -------Original Message------- From: Support list for opensource software in schools. Date: 02/23/05 10:58:15 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 Hello, Even though Linux doesn't need any anti-virus software, if you have a mixed enviroment, it might be a good idea to have some av software on your linux box. Your box can recieve, store and transmit viruses without being infected it self. For example, windows users might put a virus on a samba share that everyone uses. Annother example is an email server. Lots of viruses get transmitted via email. I heard Clam AV is one of the best free Linux AV software to use with the two services above. Chris --- Rob Owens wrote: > I believe Linspire sells an antivirus package for > Linux. I'm not sure if it will run only on > Linspire, > though. I believe it is not needed, but Linspire > offers it because their marketing studies showed > that > former Microsoft users were not willing to use an > operating system that does not have an antivirus > package. They sell it for money because it costs > them > to subscribe to the virus database. > > But again, I don't think it's needed due to the > reasons Eric Brown stated. Just make sure you use a > firewall. > > That said, I would like to have a utility similar to > Sygate Personal Firewall for Windows which alerts > you > anytime a program tries to access the internet. Is > there such a thing for Linux? Sygate Personal > Firewall would stop the traffic, ask me if it's ok > to > proceed, and tell me which program was trying to > connect to what website/ipaddress. > > -Rob > > --- Eric Brown wrote: > > > Here's part of the beauty with Linux, you don't > need > > anti-virus. > > > > > > > > One of the biggest differences between Windows and > > Linux is that Linux is > > incredibly strict with it's file permissions, and > it > > won't let programs run > > or install without explicit authority. > > > > > > > > Unless you install and run malicious code as root, > > you will have a difficult > > time getting infected. You will also find that > > there are far fewer pop-ups, > > and virtually no spy ware as well. Most spy-ware > > and viruses are written > > for windows because it will let nearly anything > run. > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are others here who might be able > to > > explain better, but till > > then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of raimond at pc7.co.nz > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:36 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being > > used on K12 > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been watching the K12 discussion for some > > months and have found the > > discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone > > who contributes. I have > > learnt a lot and am very excited about the > software > > and its use. I have it > > installed in a small 6 user test environment and > was > > wondering what anti > > virus software is being used with this operating > > system. > > > > > > > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the > software > > and would appreciate > > any suggestions and assistance in setting up an > > antivirus solution with the > > package. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raimond Donk > > > > raimond at pc7.co.nz > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathan at grandvache.com Wed Feb 23 17:05:10 2005 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:05:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Open Source Library Automation Message-ID: <0864aeb0be6344d3fbb3bb8ce5207c9e@grandvache.com> We're using OpenBiblio in a private k-8 environment that I modified for their needs. The greatest mod help was the z39.50 lookup of ISBN, ISSN and LCCN through the Library of Congress for Marc Records. Since switching over from Chancellery software, (the old system was a mess) we went back and re-entered all the MARC records through this method. You also have the ability to import the MARC record from a file. It's web-based, which means that anyone can access the OPAC (even from the LTSP labs). It uses mysql for the database structure (stable and portable). It's written in PHP. Out of the box - very easy to set up, but you'll need to modify the reports and install YAZ and the "lookup" functions for greater usefulness. The Openbiblio community (on Sourceforge) was very helpful in any questions I had. Library teacher and assistants find it's ease of use wonderful, Classroom teachers can have their class access the OPAC from the classroom to look up available books for reports, research, etc. and also print reports for their class on overdue books. You can even set it up to email patrons with overdue notices. Koha was great, but overkill for our needs. I test loaded PhpMyLibrary, but the task of customizing it for the school's needs seemed a bit much. I could never get Emilda to boot up (quite a bit of install work there with Zebra and stuff). OpenBiblio was easy installing into a Linux server ( I used RH 9.0 - Yaz had a problem with FC2 and PHP4.3.8 bundled) and I spend about 2 weeks modifying everything. Since I've been on vacation for the past 2 weeks, I haven't had much time to create much of a "library" website and modify the OPAC (it did take a few weeks to reindex the whole library). If you can export your MARC records from your old system (and your confidence is good that the records are correct), it should be quick to get OpenBiblio up and running. Here's the URL to our School and you can check out the OPAC - click on SJA library access, then Home Access: http://sja.pvt.k12.or.us Here's a new modified OPAC that I'm testing on another server that allows for more options in the search function: http://sja.pvt.k12.or.us:58058/opac/index.php If you have anymore questions about it, don't hesitate to ask. Nathan nathan at grandvache.com tech at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From bcarter at jchs.com Wed Feb 23 17:12:59 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:12:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication Message-ID: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the logging in). As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp server as well as in LDAP? I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some documentation. Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Wed Feb 23 17:17:17 2005 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:17:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication In-Reply-To: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <421CBA9D.7080407@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Burt Carter wrote: > I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the logging in). > As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp server as well as in LDAP? > I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some documentation. > > Thanks, > Burt Carter Take a look at Critical Control's website (http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/). They have great directions for authenticating to eDirectory as well as automatically mounting the user's home directory. Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 17:23:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:23:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <421CA52C.7040301@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20050223172315.30338.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I know mozilla complains if I try to run it simultaneously from 2 different login sessions. Other programs don't seem to mind, though. I don't know the reasons behind it, I can only report my experiences. -rob --- Brandon Kovach wrote: > It's my understanding that there are issues in Linux > with being logged > in as the same user in multiple instances. Is this > not correct? There > are howtos on the k12 page about how to disallow > multiple instances of > the same login. I set those up here at my school > and things are much > smoother now. We had problems with users losing the > ability to run > Ooffice or losing documents that they were working > on. Although we > occasionally still have a machine freeze (working on > that one), we > haven't had the Ooffice problem or missing documents > since. > > BK > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 23 17:28:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:28:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Clustering technology Message-ID: <1109179701.26992.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Is anyone following recent clustering technology? http://kerrighed.org/what_is_kerrighed.html If these guys can hit the dates on their roadmap listing this could be really nice within a year. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 17:38:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:38:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on PPC version of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20050223110932.75218.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c519ce$8d56a3b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I got a similar error when trying to get ltsp to run > on Mandrake. All i remember for sure is that the > problem was not one of the 4 things listed. I think > it was something screwy in my dhcpd.conf file, but I > wish I could remember for sure. I specifically > remember it was not nfs-related. It probably had to > do with the root-option setting or some other > tftpd-related setting. Thanks, but Jim M got me all fixed up. It was a default in Ubuntu to only allow connections from the local machine. Quick fix and I'm rocking now. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 17:54:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c519d0$b72897f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. > Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows > 2000 / 2003 network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, > authentication/file and terminal servers running. I would > like to add an LTSP to the network -- > but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they > are all local > bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). I too am a little confused as to what you want. I read this as you have an existing all windows network. You don't want to change anything with the Windows setup. But you want to add a LTSP server to the existing network and then either boot the current Windows machines via a boot floppy (or some other means) to the ltsp server when needed, and then be able to reboot back to a full local install of windows when needed. Or do you mean you want to connect to the ltsp server from a windows desktop? If the first assumption is correct I think you just need to build a single NIC install of ltsp. Set DHCP to run on an alternative port. Then set your boot floppys or whatever to get dhcp from the alternate port. I would think you could setup a custom boot loader on the local installations that would give you a menu to choose boot Windows or LTSP, then not mess with any boot disks. I am pretty sure I have seen this done before. I think that would be your most seamless option. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 17:57:58 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:57:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <200502231306.j1ND6Ch06676@downeast.net> References: <200502231306.j1ND6Ch06676@downeast.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0502230957768ca1ce@mail.gmail.com> when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" run? On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:06:51 GMT, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > john: what is your ip address for eth0 ..chuck> Quoting Nathan Sinton > : > > > > > Can please you post your /etc/dhcpd.conf and your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:36 -0500, John T. Leonard > > > wrote: > > > > This is my server that was serving IPs to 'outside' machines which > are not > > > part > > > > of my K12LTSP system...now when I try to start dhcp I get the following > > > error > > > > message...can anyone help me out with this as I'm not quite sure where to > > > go to > > > > do the editing.....TIA, John > > > > > > > > [root at aberdeen1 root]# service dhcpd start > > > > Starting dhcpd: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server V3.0pl2 > > > > Copyright 1995-2003 Internet Software Consortium. > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP > > > > Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. > > > > Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. > > > > Wrote 153 leases to leases file. > > > > > > > > No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). > > > > ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what > > > > you want, please write a subnet declaration > > > > in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment > > > > to which interface eth0 is attached. ** > > > > > > > > Not configured to listen on any interfaces! > > > > Yes...here is the entry from /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd..... > > # Command line options here > > DHCPDARGS=eth0 > > > > and here is the entry from /etc/dhcpd....... > > > > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > > # > > > > default-lease-time 21600; > > max-lease-time 21600; > > ddns-update-style none; > > allow booting; > > allow bootp; > > > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > > option routers 192.168.0.254; > > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; > > option domain-name "ltsp"; > > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > > use-host-decl-names on; > > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > > > # trick from Peter Rundle > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > > { > > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > > } > > else > > { > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > } > > } > > } > > > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients > > group { > > use-host-decl-names on; > > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > > > host ws001 { > > hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > > } > > host ws002 { > > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.2; > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "NIC=ne"; > > } > > host ws003 { > > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.3; > > # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > } > > } > > I have replaced both of the NICs, although I made no changes to either of the > > dhcpd files...is this possibly the issue even though no file changes were > made? > > > > > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 18:04:12 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:04:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <003401c519d0$b72897f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003401c519d0$b72897f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <2b06a1a050223100448aeb089@mail.gmail.com> Just to clarify, you have linux clients and a windows server and you need the clients to be able to log on to the windows server and access file shares, printers, etc... Right? On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:26 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. > > Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows > > 2000 / 2003 network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, > > authentication/file and terminal servers running. I would > > like to add an LTSP to the network -- > > but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they > > are all local > > bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). > > I too am a little confused as to what you want. I read this as you have > an existing all windows network. You don't want to change anything with > the Windows setup. But you want to add a LTSP server to the existing > network and then either boot the current Windows machines via a boot > floppy (or some other means) to the ltsp server when needed, and then be > able to reboot back to a full local install of windows when needed. Or > do you mean you want to connect to the ltsp server from a windows > desktop? > > If the first assumption is correct I think you just need to build a > single NIC install of ltsp. Set DHCP to run on an alternative port. > Then set your boot floppys or whatever to get dhcp from the alternate > port. I would think you could setup a custom boot loader on the local > installations that would give you a menu to choose boot Windows or LTSP, > then not mess with any boot disks. I am pretty sure I have seen this > done before. I think that would be your most seamless option. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Linux_Man at comcast.net Wed Feb 23 18:27:18 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Linux_Man at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:27:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication Message-ID: <022320051827.12331.421CCB060002EB830000302B2205886172020EB3A1989A0207B4@comcast.net> Our LTSP server authenticates to a Netware 6 server; through proper configuration of PAM, the users' home directories are automatically mounted as well. Be aware that the home directory mounting only works with ncpfs <= 2.2.4; with 2.2.5 it was not working for me. Here's a guide: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to > authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set > of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a > Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the > logging in). > As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell > Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp > server as well as in LDAP? > I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some > documentation. > > Thanks, > Burt Carter > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com > > > > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally > privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the > addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other > use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by > telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all > copies and backups thereof. Thank You. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ron at ron.dk Wed Feb 23 18:30:15 2005 From: ron at ron.dk (Rasmus Ory Nielsen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:30:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication In-Reply-To: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <1109183415.23138.34.camel@jupiter> Hi, ons, 23 02 2005 kl. 12:12 -0500, skrev Burt Carter: > I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the logging in). > As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp server as well as in LDAP? > I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some documentation. Have a look at this http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html Regards Rasmus Ory Nielsen From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Feb 23 18:40:32 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:40:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner package available Message-ID: <1109184032.22213.8.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Hi, all. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have successfully compiled a scanner package with the LBE. I need help testing and fine tuning, so if you are in the market for such a capability, please help me out by testing it. I actually split it into three packages, libjpeg, libusb, and sane-backends, so please install all 3. Here is a link to the wiki which will point you to a download: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#Scanners Please let me know if it works for you! -Gideon -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnny at msad41.us Wed Feb 23 18:32:48 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:32:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a0502230957768ca1ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502231306.j1ND6Ch06676@downeast.net> <2b06a1a0502230957768ca1ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109183568.421ccc501f848@msad41.us> Quoting Nathan Sinton : > when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" > run? > Well Nathan and Chuck....right now I'm on somewhere around try number 10 million :-( Yes...kudzu runs most of the time during these changes...I delete the old configurations and configure the new ones but the settings on the network tab don't always correspond with the additions and subtractions! I'm at my wits end and getting ready to do a fresh install I think...just got to check the wiki and see how to get the home dirs onto another location temporarily......this is beginning to look like a 'beer and pizza' operation!! I'll keep you posted...the funny thing is that when both cards are in, ifconfig looks fine with no errors or drops or anything....I'm going to give it one more go around and then I'm giving up and doing a new install.....J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Feb 23 19:01:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:01:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... Message-ID: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> if you want me to ssh in and take a look around...i can latyer..chuck > > > when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" > > run? > > > Well Nathan and Chuck....right now I'm on somewhere around try number 10 million > :-( Yes...kudzu runs most of the time during these changes...I delete the old > configurations and configure the new ones but the settings on the network tab > don't always correspond with the additions and subtractions! I'm at my wits end > and getting ready to do a fresh install I think...just got to check the wiki and > see how to get the home dirs onto another location temporarily......this is > beginning to look like a 'beer and pizza' operation!! I'll keep you posted...the > funny thing is that when both cards are in, ifconfig looks fine with no errors > or drops or anything....I'm going to give it one more go around and then I'm > giving up and doing a new install.....J > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hendersonh at unit5.org Wed Feb 23 19:04:07 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:04:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication Message-ID: I am on a list named tech-geeks. We have a few members who have done such an item. They have placed their howto information at this location. http://www.tech-geeks.org You will have to search the archives. I believe it was last summer they did this. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 "Computers, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't!" >>> "Burt Carter" 2/23/2005 11:12:59 AM >>> I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the logging in). As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp server as well as in LDAP? I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some documentation. Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 20:18:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:18:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sound question Message-ID: <005401c519e4$dc6e9640$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Does my server have to have a sound card in order for my clients to play sound? I know that sounds like a silly question but I can't help it :-) I am not sure if the soundcard on the server is required for it to generate a sound to be sent to clients. My current test server doesn't have a sound card and I can't get anything to make noise, so I am hoping I just need to add a sound card to the server. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Feb 23 20:18:18 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:18:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Server sound question In-Reply-To: <005401c519e4$dc6e9640$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005401c519e4$dc6e9640$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Nope. A sound card in the server is definately not required. If you are using k12ltsp, the sound support should already be there. If you are using straight LTSP, then you'll have to add some stuff to the server. Go to the LTSP.org wiki, there's some information there about configuring sound. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does my server have to have a sound card in order for my clients to play > sound? I know that sounds like a silly question but I can't help it :-) > > I am not sure if the soundcard on the server is required for it to > generate a sound to be sent to clients. My current test server doesn't > have a sound card and I can't get anything to make noise, so I am hoping > I just need to add a sound card to the server. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Wed Feb 23 20:40:37 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:40:37 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off Message-ID: <73a9c6d12c.6d12c73a9c@k12.hi.us> From: Rob Owens > How about running a script like this at login time, > instead of at logout time? Or maybe at both login and > logout? I can see where this would be helpful in some situations. How do you run a script at login or logout? --Peter From raimond at pc7.co.nz Wed Feb 23 20:44:01 2005 From: raimond at pc7.co.nz (Raimond Donk) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:44:01 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 Message-ID: <1109191442.3261.3.camel@k12.box> Dan, Thank you very much for this information. Worked well first time and is now installed. Also thank you to every on who has replied to this thread. I have found the information supplied by every body very informative. Raimond Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:23:15 -0800 From: Dan Young Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1109175795.17878.6.camel at dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 08:37 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Installing ClamAV on FC3 is *really* easy now. Just get the FC3 rpms at > http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/3/clamav/, install, restart dovecot > & sendmail, start clamav-milter, and you're done. Much easier than all > the fooling around that was necessary with FC1. Perhaps it can even be > installed with yum (?). ClamAV is also in the new Redhat-sponsored Fedora Extras, which are non- Fedora Core packages built by the community: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/EXTRAS Add the yum repository listed in the URL, import the GPG key, and: yum install clamav -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 20:50:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:50:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sound question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005b01c519e9$52a4bed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > Nope. A sound card in the server is definately not required. > > If you are using k12ltsp, the sound support should already be > there. If you are using straight LTSP, then you'll have to > add some stuff to the server. Go to the LTSP.org wiki, > there's some information there about configuring sound. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org The system I am wondering about here is using k12ltsp and my test machine right now for sound is a T150. It is booting to the default of Gnome and I can't get any sound out of the client. I have the following set in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" SMODULE_01 = soundcore SMODULE_02 = ac97_codec SMODULE_03 = via82cxxx_audio I have also tried getting sound to work for the Term150 on a iBook server with straight ltsp 4.1 on ppc Ubuntu with the same settings. I added the ltsp-sound-1.0-0.2.tar.bz2 from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound to the server. With nasd set I get nothing. With esd set I get multi-toned static when it tries to play sound. Any ideas for either system? I just want to get something working as a baseline so I can tackle what needs to be set for sound to work on ppc clients. This worked fine in the past but doesn't seem to work so well with 4.2. For a test I am just trying to play system sounds through sound panel in preferences. Is there a better baseline test? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Feb 23 20:53:20 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner package available In-Reply-To: <1109184032.22213.8.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1109184032.22213.8.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <1109192000.12723.7.camel@server.byh.org> Gideon. You are my hero! I will be needing exactly that capability before too long. Unfortunately I will be on the road for the next few weeks so can't help with the testing at the moment. I will follow this thread closely while I am away and if you are still looking for testers when I get back, I will be happy to oblige. - gustav On Wed, 2005-23-02 at 13:40 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > Hi, all. > > I just wanted to let everyone know that I have successfully compiled a > scanner package with the LBE. I need help testing and fine tuning, so > if you are in the market for such a capability, please help me out by > testing it. I actually split it into three packages, libjpeg, libusb, > and sane-backends, so please install all 3. > > Here is a link to the wiki which will point you to a download: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#Scanners > > Please let me know if it works for you! > > -Gideon > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Feb 23 21:28:26 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:28:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <1109191442.3261.3.camel@k12.box> References: <1109191442.3261.3.camel@k12.box> Message-ID: <1109194106.19933.27.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 09:44 +1300, Raimond Donk wrote: > Thank you very much for this information. Worked well first time and is > now installed. Glad it was helpful. I hadn't been seeing anybody here talk too much about Fedora Extras, which surprises me. It will be important to Fedora in the next few releases as the Fedora Project tries to whittle Core down to less than a metric ton of CDs. Extras is "out there" and working for FC3 right now and includes some great stuff, including: (random selection) bittorrent bluefish bochs celestia clamav dosbox gnofract4d inkscape assorted perl modules plone pyzor qcad scribus sodipodi tidy zope Best part is, someone else has packaged this for you. Just add the repository and go. Check it out: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/readme.extras -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 23 21:45:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:45:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Possible TeacherTool alternative or future path Message-ID: <006101c519f1$0d3113a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Below is a snip from a thread on ltsp-discuss regarding control of terminals. Just thought it interesting given the recent problem with vnc-reflector on Fedora Core 3. But I don't know if there is a non-German version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > To make it clear(?): there are 17 terminals connected to the server. > 16 pupils and one teacher. the teacher wants to be able to look at all > of the pupils screens, but the pupils must not see the teachers > screen. Beeing able to manipulate the pupils workstation would be > nice, too. I've written exactly for this a tool named "vnc-eye" - perhaps you understand a little bit of german, so you can look at my site http://www.linux-in-der-schule.de/vnc-eye The features are: getting the screen of pupils-client to the teachers screen --> the teacher can manipulate the screen of the pupil you can send the teachers screen to all (or only some of them) the pupils screens you can send x-messages to the pupils screens (e.g. "shut up ;-)" ) you can switch of the screens of the pupils (the monitor will be blank) To use all of these features, the teacher have to sit in front of the terminalserver, because I use the rfb-server (it's very fast) and this tool have to work at the machine you are working. at. Kind regards Dieter -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 22:21:34 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> References: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0502231421695c748a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:01:17 GMT, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > if you want me to ssh in and take a look around...i can latyer..chuck > > > > > when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" > > > run? > > > > > Well Nathan and Chuck....right now I'm on somewhere around try number 10 > million > > :-( Yes...kudzu runs most of the time during these changes...I delete the old > > configurations and configure the new ones but the settings on the network tab > > don't always correspond with the additions and subtractions! I'm at my > wits end > > and getting ready to do a fresh install I think...just got to check the > wiki and > > see how to get the home dirs onto another location temporarily......this is > > beginning to look like a 'beer and pizza' operation!! I'll keep you > posted...the > > funny thing is that when both cards are in, ifconfig looks fine with no > errors > > or drops or anything....I'm going to give it one more go around and then I'm > > giving up and doing a new install.....J > > > > John T. Leonard > > Technology Coordinator > > MSAD No. 41 > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Just one last suggestion, take a look in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ you should have some files named ifcfg-eth0, ifcfg-eth1, etc... an "ls -l" of mine (redhat 8, one network card) looks like this: [nsinton at crunch network-scripts]$ ls -l total 176 -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 172 Sep 8 15:36 ifcfg-eth0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Sep 7 10:44 ifcfg-lo -> ../networking/ifcfg-lo lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 7 10:44 ifdown -> ../../../sbin/ifdown --------------------------List truncated------------------------ kudzu has a bad habit of doing weird things like making network cards like eth0:1 One last thought, you might want to remove the eth0 from DHCPDARGS= in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd. It should pick an interface on it's own if that is absent. From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Feb 23 22:22:28 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:22:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dependency Problem Message-ID: <421D0224.4050603@snarlnet.com> Hi, How do I solve this problem: [root at private root]# yum update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Base Server: Dag RPM Repository for Fedora Core Server: K12LTSP Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies ......Unable to satisfy dependencies Package apt-python needs apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp, this is not available. [root at private root]# I noticed the problem was with a .k12ltsp package so I thought I'd ask here. Is it cool to just yum remove apt-python? ck From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 22:38:49 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:38:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a0502231421695c748a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> <2b06a1a0502231421695c748a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b06a1a05022314383952726f@mail.gmail.com> make that two last suggestions :) On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:34 -0700, Nathan Sinton wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:01:17 GMT, cliebow at downeast.net > wrote: > > if you want me to ssh in and take a look around...i can latyer..chuck > > > > > > > when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" > > > > run? > > > > > > > Well Nathan and Chuck....right now I'm on somewhere around try number 10 > > million > > > :-( Yes...kudzu runs most of the time during these changes...I delete the old > > > configurations and configure the new ones but the settings on the network tab > > > don't always correspond with the additions and subtractions! I'm at my > > wits end > > > and getting ready to do a fresh install I think...just got to check the > > wiki and > > > see how to get the home dirs onto another location temporarily......this is > > > beginning to look like a 'beer and pizza' operation!! I'll keep you > > posted...the > > > funny thing is that when both cards are in, ifconfig looks fine with no > > errors > > > or drops or anything....I'm going to give it one more go around and then I'm > > > giving up and doing a new install.....J > > > > > > John T. Leonard > > > Technology Coordinator > > > MSAD No. 41 > > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > > 48 Penquis Drive > > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > Just one last suggestion, take a look in > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ you should have some files named > ifcfg-eth0, ifcfg-eth1, etc... an "ls -l" of mine (redhat 8, one > network card) looks like this: > > [nsinton at crunch network-scripts]$ ls -l > total 176 > -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 172 Sep 8 15:36 ifcfg-eth0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Sep 7 10:44 ifcfg-lo -> > ../networking/ifcfg-lo > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 7 10:44 ifdown -> > ../../../sbin/ifdown > --------------------------List truncated------------------------ > > kudzu has a bad habit of doing weird things like making network cards > like eth0:1 > > One last thought, you might want to remove the eth0 from DHCPDARGS= in > /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd. It should pick an interface on it's own if that > is absent. > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Feb 23 22:46:03 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:46:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication In-Reply-To: <022320051827.12331.421CCB060002EB830000302B2205886172020EB3A1989A0207B4@comcast.net> References: <022320051827.12331.421CCB060002EB830000302B2205886172020EB3A1989A0207B4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1109198763.421d07ab92f2e@rix01.dyndns.org> I have 2.2.6 installed and mounting /home/user to two servers from netware. It works pretty well except the first time for some applications like SSH or any application that looks for a Unix account. When the unix account exist it works. I used the howto at criticalcontrol. Only drawback with CC howto is that everything is mounted 755 thus making everything in /home executable by default. You can fix this by editing the code. You can pass -o filemode=XXX (and -o dirmode=XXX) to ncpmount. To do it from pam_ncp you'll have to modify sources, unfortunately, ncpmount options are hardcoded in sources. In latest version it is argv[i++] = "-o"; argv[i++] = "symlinks,exec"; Just change second line to contain all wanted options, like . "symlinks,exec,filemode=0600,dirmode=0700" or whatever default file & directory modes you prefer. Novell is readying a client to be released shortly but i wouldnt wait for them. Try ncpfs out. Citerar Linux_Man at comcast.net: > Our LTSP server authenticates to a Netware 6 server; through proper > configuration of PAM, the users' home directories are automatically mounted > as well. Be aware that the home directory mounting only works with ncpfs <= > 2.2.4; with 2.2.5 it was not working for me. > > Here's a guide: > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > > > > I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to > > > authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one > set > > of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a > > > Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the > > > logging in). > > As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell > > > Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the > ltsp > > server as well as in LDAP? > > I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some > > documentation. > > > > Thanks, > > Burt Carter > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally > > privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the > > > addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, > you are > > hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or > other > > use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have > > > received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by > > telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and > all > > copies and backups thereof. Thank You. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 23 22:54:04 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:54:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <20050223110722.74765.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <1109107217.28413.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> <20050223110722.74765.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223225404.GA2232@sonic.net> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:07:22AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I've found that these two combined give me all the > options I need to make decent view-on-the-computer > videos. What I haven't found yet is a good gui dvd > authoring tool that works on my system. I haven't used it, but there's this, perhaps? http://susku.pyhaselka.fi/damu/software/kmediafactory/ "KMediafactory is easy to use template based dvd authoring tool. You can quickly create DVD menus for home videos and TV recordings in three simple steps." -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 23 22:57:54 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:57:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <200502222347.j1MNlNY25017@www.mi-spot.com> <20050223112943.90926.qmail@web90106.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223225754.GB2232@sonic.net> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:29:43AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > That said, I would like to have a utility similar to > Sygate Personal Firewall for Windows which alerts you > anytime a program tries to access the internet. Is > there such a thing for Linux? Sygate Personal > Firewall would stop the traffic, ask me if it's ok to > proceed, and tell me which program was trying to > connect to what website/ipaddress. I've not used it, since I have a router with a built-in firewall (which can be manipulated via a web interface), but KDE has this: http://kmyfirewall.sourceforge.net/ "KMyFirewall attempts to make it easier to setup IPTables based firewalls on Linux systems. It will be the right tool if you like to have a so called "Personal Firewall" running on your Linux box, but don't have the time and/or the interest to spend hours in front of the IPTables manual just to setup a Firewall that keeps the "bad" people out." as well as: http://www.fwbuilder.org/ "Firewall Builder is a multi-platform firewall configuration and management system. It consists of a GUI and set of policy compilers for various firewall platforms. It helps users maintain a database of objects and allows policy editing using simple drag-and-drop operations. The GUI and policy compilers are completely independent, this provides for a consistent abstract model and the same GUI for different firewall platforms. It currently supports iptables, ipfilter, ipfw, OpenBSD pf and Cisco PIX." and: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/ "Guarddog is a firewall configuration utility for Linux systems. It is aimed at two groups of users. Novice to intermediate users who are not experts in TCP/IP networking and security, and those users who don't want the hastle of dealing with cryptic shell scripts and ipchains/iptables parameters." I hope that helps! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From smooge at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 23:06:28 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:06:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e409050223150678c47b27@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:36:02 +1300, raimond at pc7.co.nz wrote: > > > I have been watching the K12 discussion for some months and have found the > discussions very informative. Thanks to everyone who contributes. I have > learnt a lot and am very excited about the software and its use. I have it > installed in a small 6 user test environment and was wondering what anti > virus software is being used with this operating system. > > I am using the Fedora core 3 version of the software and would appreciate > any suggestions and assistance in setting up an antivirus solution with the > package. > I normally use clamav and mimedefang in combination. The two seem to cut down the virus and spyware load quite a bit. From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Feb 23 23:27:16 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:57:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> References: <200502231800.j1NI0ah23314@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1109201236.6276.26.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 19:01 +0000, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > when you replaced the NIC's did redhat's hardware detection tool "kudzu" > > > run? > > > > > Well Nathan and Chuck....right now I'm on somewhere around try number 10 > million Sorry but as I am jumping in late...try: #neat I find it great GUI tool for changing network card MAC / ip / subnet / gateway etc. to run from root or sudo. -- Sudev Barar From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Feb 23 23:36:29 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:36:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication In-Reply-To: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <421D137D.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Burt, I do the same thing, only using Netware 5.1 and Novell eDirectory to authenticate all my students on the LTSP terminals. Their Novell home directory is mounted automatically as /nwhome under their home folder. I do not add any users to the Linux server, the users and groups they belong to are automatically created when the user logs in for the first time. Works very very slick check this how-to http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm greetings Joe Guenther Burt Carter wrote: >I am running Netware 6 in my environment and would like the ltsp clients to authenticate to the existing network. This way I only need to maintain one set of users/passwords in LDAP. Does anyone have ltsp clients logging into a Netware server. (I suppose it is actually the ltsp server that is doing the logging in). >As well if you are using LDAP such as OpenLdap, Active Dirctory, or Novell Directory Services; is it necessary to have individual user accounts on the ltsp server as well as in LDAP? >I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of some documentation. > >Thanks, >Burt Carter > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com > > > > > >This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >!DSPAM:421cbc2c247261672640998! > > > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Feb 24 00:28:22 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:58:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> References: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1109204902.6276.54.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 17:53 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: [SNIP] > # no touch root, many services will die > [ $USER = 'root' ] && exit 0 > [SNIP] Andy, if the above is changed to [ $UID < 600 ] && exit 0 Would it only clean up for users with ID above 600? The idea is to keep users in id range of 500~600 who are admin / teachers so that they can do multiple logins or leave processes like screen / wget running while they log out. On a similar note I have configured /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp with PURGE=Y but changed the UID_MIN parameter to 600 in /usr/sbin/purge_user this allows non-purging of processes for users with UID less than 600. -- Sudev Barar From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 00:34:05 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:34:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update rather than install?? Message-ID: Hi Les, I got you message just as I was sitting down to check my rsyncs on another back-up server. So I thought I should give more push to a clean up my mixed up apt sources/dependency troubles and see if I could get up2date going. Ten minutes later up2date was running, 20 minutes later cups came in with 40 or more other packages and the new 766 kernel. Mozilla and Firefox now print without closing for some users. Others can't, so it must be something corrupted (during all of our network disconnectivity) in users' home folders. I need to check out a few more things tomorrow, but it looks like I'm back in action. Thanks again. I don't have any extra time to maintain our network of 200 boxes and pile of servers so after my full course load, yearbook, computer club, school newsletters, etc- I just can't slow down to think sometimes before doing something rash... The point of updates (in the RH/fedora scheme) is that they *fix problems in the base release*... If you re-install you'll still have the old bugs until you do a yum or apt update. In general, rpm updates don't overwrite your old configss at all, although in certain circumstances (like a syntax change addition of new options) a new default config will be install and your old one saved with an extension of .rpmsave. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 00:46:56 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:46:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off Message-ID: Hey! This may be it! Are you using it in your intallation? I wish I had my old one... I actually do come to think of it. I've got the whole drive mounted on the current running system, but where to find it is the question?!! I guess I'ld start looking at what is called at IceWm logoff because it was- on my system, the same script at logon and logoff... Ok, Ok!! I'll check tomorrow. My brain is mush. Jim I squirrelled this one away - is it what you are looking for ? It runs at login time. Cheers, Andy! #!/bin/sh #Lumen Software #www.lumensoftware.com #collected from various irc chats, and mailing lists ## clean up files left in /tmp ## # evolution for evoTmpDir in /tmp/evolution-$EUID-* do [ -d $evoTmpDir ] && rm -Rf $evoTmpDir done # orbit & KDE temp directories [ -d /tmp/orbit-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/orbit-$USER [ -d /tmp/ksocket-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/ksocket-$USER [ -d /tmp/kde-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/kde-$USER [ -d /tmp/mcop-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/mcop-$USER # remove any scrollkeeper tempfiles for TempFile in /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile* do [ `stat -c %u $TempFile` -eq $EUID ] && rm -Rf $TempFile done ## session clean up ## # no touch root, many services will die [ $USER = 'root' ] && exit 0 # kill oaf daemon oafdpids=`ps -u $USER | grep oafd | cut -c1-5` [ -z $oafdpids ] || kill -1 $oafdpids # clean up unexpected LeftoverPids=`ps ho pid -u $USER` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM $USER "WARNING processes left behind" ps -aef|grep ^$USER | logger -it GDM logger -it GDM "TERM signals to $LeftoverPids" kill -15 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM sleep 1 LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM "KILL signals to $LeftoverPids" kill -9 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM sleep 1 LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] then logger -it GDM "FAIL kill $LeftoverPids" ps -aef | grep $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM fi fi fi From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Feb 24 01:10:58 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:10:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcp problem still.... In-Reply-To: <1109183568.421ccc501f848@msad41.us> References: <200502231306.j1ND6Ch06676@downeast.net> <2b06a1a0502230957768ca1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1109183568.421ccc501f848@msad41.us> Message-ID: <421D29A2.3070007@gwi.net> John T. Leonard wrote: >I'll keep you posted...the >funny thing is that when both cards are in, ifconfig looks fine with no errors >or drops or anything....I'm going to give it one more go around and then I'm >giving up and doing a new install.....J > > Just FYI - usually the message you received indicates that the eth0 interface IP address does not fall within any subnet configured in dhcpd.conf. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ybjones at one.net Thu Feb 24 01:51:30 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:51:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What antivirus software is being used on K12 In-Reply-To: <421CB7AF.000009.03752@TECH-065397> Message-ID: <20050224014027.YOWF22756.gx6.fuse.net@aragorn> > Check out Vexira from www.centralcommand.com. It is available > for schools at a terrific discount and also for Linux platfroms. Vexira is a nice package. I use their email scanner for some email servers that I have set up for clients. ClamAV is another one that I have used for Samba share file scanning and email scanning. -Yancey From claudio at rednuting.com Wed Feb 23 23:53:28 2005 From: claudio at rednuting.com (Claudio Catanzaro) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:53:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn & firewalling Message-ID: <1109202808.5464.6.camel@ntbcld.barajo.com> I have installed a shorewall firewall in my K12ltsp server. Obviusly, It makes an excelent work, and blocks any dhcp, tftp, Xsession and more, making impossible to use ltsp terminals. What ports must I left open to let ltsp work?, and can I relate that ports to some Ip addresses? Thankyou in advance -- Claudio Catanzaro claudio at rednuting.com "I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are details." - Albert Einstein From robark at telus.net Thu Feb 24 03:52:33 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:52:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> References: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <421D4F81.2030308@telus.net> Andy Rabagliati wrote: >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > > >>In my 3.x install, all proccesses for a user were killed at both ends. A >>script ran at logon that killed all processes and also at logoff. I wish I >>could find it. I don't seem to have a need for it this year. >> >> > >I squirrelled this one away - is it what you are looking for ? > >It runs at login time. > >Cheers, Andy! > > How do you learn to squirrel code like this? Do I just start reading any bash script book? Also how does one run scripts at login or logoff? Script-Wizard-Wannabe Robert Arkiletian > >#!/bin/sh >#Lumen Software >#www.lumensoftware.com >#collected from various irc chats, and mailing lists > >## clean up files left in /tmp ## > ># evolution >for evoTmpDir in /tmp/evolution-$EUID-* >do > [ -d $evoTmpDir ] && rm -Rf $evoTmpDir >done > ># orbit & KDE temp directories >[ -d /tmp/orbit-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/orbit-$USER >[ -d /tmp/ksocket-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/ksocket-$USER >[ -d /tmp/kde-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/kde-$USER >[ -d /tmp/mcop-$USER ] && rm -Rf /tmp/mcop-$USER > ># remove any scrollkeeper tempfiles >for TempFile in /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile* >do > [ `stat -c %u $TempFile` -eq $EUID ] && rm -Rf $TempFile >done > >## session clean up ## > ># no touch root, many services will die >[ $USER = 'root' ] && exit 0 > ># kill oaf daemon >oafdpids=`ps -u $USER | grep oafd | cut -c1-5` >[ -z $oafdpids ] || kill -1 $oafdpids > ># clean up unexpected >LeftoverPids=`ps ho pid -u $USER` >if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] >then > logger -it GDM $USER "WARNING processes left behind" > ps -aef|grep ^$USER | logger -it GDM > logger -it GDM "TERM signals to $LeftoverPids" > kill -15 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM > sleep 1 > LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` > if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] > then > logger -it GDM "KILL signals to $LeftoverPids" > kill -9 $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM > sleep 1 > LeftoverPids=`ps -aef | grep ^$USER | cut -c10-15 ` > if [ ! -z "$LeftoverPids" ] > then > logger -it GDM "FAIL kill $LeftoverPids" > ps -aef | grep $LeftoverPids | logger -it GDM > fi > fi >fi > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Feb 24 07:00:55 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:00:55 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? Message-ID: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Everyone, Our school has purchased a static IP address from our broadband provider - because I was informed that this is what is required if you want to host your own website, and also if you want to be able to access your intranet from the web, outside the school grounds. Our intranet is up and running locally off the K12ltsp server on http://10.0.0.1/ and our website is up and running but hosted in another state down south (Australia). Could someone please direct me (bearing in mind I'm an 8 month old newbie to Linux) to a site or archived post with instructions on how to attach our static IP address to our k12 server. As you can see I don't even know the correct terminology for what I want to do. What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our existing domain name. But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to our local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers want to be able to access our intranet from home) Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Feb 24 07:37:10 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:37:10 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1109230630.421d8426d1ef9@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting Debbie Schiel : > Hi Everyone, > > Our school has purchased a static IP address from our broadband provider - > because I was informed that this is what is required if you want to host your > own website, and also if you want to be able to access your intranet from the > web, outside the school grounds. > > Our intranet is up and running locally off the K12ltsp server on > http://10.0.0.1/ and our website is up and running but hosted in another > state > down south (Australia). > > Could someone please direct me (bearing in mind I'm an 8 month old newbie to > Linux) to a site or archived post with instructions on how to attach our > static > IP address to our k12 server. As you can see I don't even know the correct > terminology for what I want to do. > > What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our existing domain name. > But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to our > local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for > wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers > want > to be able to access our intranet from home) > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > After some searching, I think the terms I'm looking for are: Remote Access Dial-in IP Dial-In Accounts Remote Access Server But I'm still not sure what's what. From jojebo68 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 07:54:55 2005 From: jojebo68 at hotmail.com (George Bredberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:54:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound, trying again, please help.. Message-ID: Hi, have problems with terminals telling me this; "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." Have tried this; echo $DISPLAY ws008.ltsp:0 echo $UID 506 echo $ESPEAKER ws008.ltsp:16001 echo $LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0 Then to "telnet ws008.ltsp 16001" It gives an escape character as described in http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html#debug-sound Now, everything seems to work but still I get the above "Cannot open device" How come?? I Installed k12ltsp 4.2 and did the upgrades via yum. I have it on two servers, same problem with both. Using gnome as desktop. In lts.conf I specified like this; In the default settings; SOUND = Y VOLUME = 75 SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" In the terminal settings; MODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Even tried this; SMODULE_01 = soundcore SMODULE_02 = uart401 SMODULE_03 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Also tried the nasd demon, but still, the same.. A clue someone??? Would apreciate it. /G _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From jojebo68 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 08:48:37 2005 From: jojebo68 at hotmail.com (George Bredberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:48:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] More details on sound Message-ID: Hi, Now I'm trying to make esd working on the terminals. Have the settings as I described in last mail and if I use the "program" "settings" "more settings" "selector for multimedia system" (translating the program menu from swedish so I hope you understand what I mean) and choose esd and hit the "test" button I get sound! But not when trying to use Real Player or anything else. Not even the mixer can start.. While booting the terminals it starts the soundserver and tells me it's waiting for connection on port 16001 as expected. Then it tells med the /dev/dsp is busy That has to be the problem. But how do I make it "unbusy"? What is the problem when I get a message like that? Regards /G _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Feb 24 10:51:54 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:21:54 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1109242314.10108.14.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 12:30, Debbie Schiel wrote: > What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our existing domain name. > But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to our > local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for > wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers want > to be able to access our intranet from home) On assumption that you are using two network cards..assign the second card an IP address in the same IP pool as your routers internal IP number. And then point to your router's IP as you gateway IP. Use "neat" GUI tool and edit the second NIC's entry for this. You will have to use your routers setup to do Fixed IP to Internal gateway IP translation...that is set up NAT on router. If there no router then you can plug the broadband wire directly into the k12 box...assuming again that they give ethernet cable or the local box provided by them has ethernet cable connection. In this case set your k12's box second card's IP as the gateway. You can use another pool address than 10.0.0.x say 10.0.1.x in this case. Outside users need to point their machines at the outside (fixed) Ip that you have been assigned. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From glidr_greg at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 11:00:59 2005 From: glidr_greg at yahoo.com (Greg T.) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:00:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap PDC login question Message-ID: <20050224110059.40566.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Please have patience with a newbie question. I've configured the PDC (Fedora Core 2) according to the documentation listed at: Samba-LDAP How-To using Samba v.htm. While the script mentioned at the website did most of the work for me, I did have to tweak a few things. Right now, I've been able to join the domain with the Win2k pc, but when I try to login, I get the error in the samba logs: [2005/02/24 05:48:18, 1] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 384-3381526886-2000 but group sid S-1-5-32-513. The conflicting domain portions are not supported for NETLOGON calls The group sid S-1-5-32-513 used to be the sid for Domain Users... I've rebuilt the group mapping: [root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2025) -> Domain Admins Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2027) -> Domain Users Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2029) -> Domain Guests Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2031) -> Domain Computers Administrators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2089) -> Administrators Print Operators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2101) -> Print Operators Backup Operators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2103) -> Backup Operators Replicators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2105) -> Replicators But still I get the same erros in the log. I've restarted samba and ldap. What am I doing wrong? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Thu Feb 24 11:27:12 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:27:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound, trying again, please help.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050224062712.6fdc0035.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:54:55 +0000 "George Bredberg" wrote: > Hi, have problems with terminals telling me this; > > "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." George, Have you checked permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer? This error message is often the result of incorrect permissions. If the user starting the application doesn't have read-write access to these devices you will get the error message you described. ls -al /dev/dsp /dev/mixer will show you the permission settings on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. As root, chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer. Be aware that this gives all users read-write access and may have security implications if you are on an exposed network. A more secure solution would be to change the group owner of these devices to audio and add any users needing to use audio applications to this group. Re your earlier posting on Realplayer, someone please correct this if it's wrong, but last time I checked (six months ago) Realplayer 10 didn't support esd. If you want to play realaudio on your clients, you'll have to use an earlier version of Realplayer. You could also run Realplayer 10 as a local application but I suspect setting this up would be a lot more challenging. Jesse McDonnell > > Have tried this; > > echo $DISPLAY ws008.ltsp:0 > echo $UID 506 > echo $ESPEAKER ws008.ltsp:16001 > echo $LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0 > > Then to "telnet ws008.ltsp 16001" > It gives an escape character as described in > http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html#debug-sound > > Now, everything seems to work but still I get the above "Cannot open device" > How come?? > > I Installed k12ltsp 4.2 and did the upgrades via yum. I have it on two > servers, same problem with both. Using gnome as desktop. > > In lts.conf I specified like this; > In the default settings; > SOUND = Y > VOLUME = 75 > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > In the terminal settings; > MODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > Even tried this; > SMODULE_01 = soundcore > SMODULE_02 = uart401 > SMODULE_03 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > Also tried the nasd demon, but still, the same.. > > A clue someone??? > > Would apreciate it. /G > > _________________________________________________________________ > L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Feb 24 12:00:18 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:00:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fuel for the fire Message-ID: <421DC1D2.7020308@msln.net> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1764441,00.asp Interesting article. The part that catches my eye is, QUOTE But because Microsoft has made the browser inextricably integrated with Windows, any upgrades will likely have to be delivered through a service pack update to the operating system, which is something Microsoft said probably won't happen. END QUOTE -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Feb 23 18:50:41 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:50:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 11:36 AM +0000 wrote: >Please elaborate on what you're trying to do. It's not clear to me what >you want to accomplish. If all your clients boot from their local >drives, what's the point of the terminal server? Actually, the real >question is the other way around: since you can have the clients boot >from an LTSP server, why even bother having a locally-installed OS on >the clients? Or are these Windows boxes that need to remain so, but you >want to use a boot-floppy for those times when you want them to be >thin-clients? I have IGEL clients (linux flash bootable) and legacy windows 2000 machines. They presently all boot and then authenticate through my Windows server, access my WIndows terminal server for Star Office and many other apps. and use the file server for their folders. I want to implement a Linux terminal server to serve GIMP, some TUX stuff, Scribus, Kino, etc. The users need to be able to access the apps on the windows terminal server as well and print to network printers and save/load from their folders (on the Windows file server). These are elementary students and teachers -- things must be pretty seamless for success. This is my pilot school -- I have 4 others presently running purely WIndows networks (except for one standalone LTSP project with thin clients). Best scenario --At each school, my windows authentication and file servers remain, and I add both WIndows and a LInux terminal servers and get away from all those locally installed apps. Obviously adding Windows terminal servers is no problem, its the linux.... Sharon > >I think the simplest approach would be to start by building a two-NIC >LTSP server, with one NIC connected to a switch that only has terminal >clients attached to it, and the other NIC connected to your existing >network. This is the default configuration for LTSP. This way, the >DHCP server on the LTSP server only provides IPs to the clients, not >other workstations, and it doesn't bother the rest of your existing >network. > >Are you trying to provide additional workstations for users but have >them all have access to the existing Windows resources? > >Petre > > > >Sharon Betts wrote: >> I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. >> Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows 2000 / 2003 >> network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, authentication/file and >> terminal servers running. I would like to add an LTSP to the network -- >> but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they are all >local >> bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). >> >>>From all we have read, LTSP doesn't play nice in this situation. At >this >> time, I cannot begin to change the entire network for LDAP. Just not >> feasible with the number of workstations and users. >> >> Sharon >> MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >> sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >> "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >> Robert Orben >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Feb 24 13:48:25 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:48:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Hosting your school's website off DSL Message-ID: <1109252905.32682.10.camel@phoenix.media.local> Is anyone hosting their main website off of their DSL connections? I've got 2 782kbs DSL lines currently (which is pretty darn close numerically to a T1's bandwith), and I am considering moving my main website internally (it is hosted offsite). I will have a proxy/caching system in place to cut down on much of the bandwith usage from the inside to the outside. Any recommendations, success stories, or failures? Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 14:17:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:17:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Hosting your school's website off DSL In-Reply-To: <1109252905.32682.10.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <000501c51a7b$a4855bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Is anyone hosting their main website off of their DSL connections? > > I've got 2 782kbs DSL lines currently (which is pretty darn > close numerically to a T1's bandwith), and I am considering > moving my main website internally (it is hosted offsite). I > will have a proxy/caching system in place to cut down on much > of the bandwith usage from the inside to the outside. Any > recommendations, success stories, or failures? Thanks! I also have a company that does web/email hosting. I have about 35 domains running off a single 768k DSL line right now and the speeds are fine. But I also have a matched 768k upload speed, just make sure your upload is right with your download speed. I think you should be fine with a single site and 2 lines. And typically your web traffic won't increase until everyone goes home from school. So you heavy traffic to the site won't come when you have heavy internet surfing traffic. My 2 cents. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 14:36:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:36:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c51a7e$2b6afb00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I want to implement a Linux terminal server to serve GIMP, some TUX > stuff, Scribus, Kino, etc. The users need to be able to > access the apps > on the windows terminal server as well and print to network > printers and save/load from their folders (on the Windows > file server). These are elementary students and teachers -- > things must be pretty seamless for success. This is my pilot > school -- I have 4 others presently running purely WIndows > networks (except for one standalone LTSP project with thin clients). > > Best scenario --At each school, my windows authentication and > file servers remain, and I add both WIndows and a LInux > terminal servers and get away from all those locally > installed apps. Obviously adding Windows terminal servers is > no problem, its the linux.... Sharon So how about you add a single NIC LTSP server to the network. You slam your Windows Terminal Server on the network. You have all your clients boot ltsp and run linux by default. Then either connect to the Windows Terminal server with Rdesktop when needed, or have another session in the background connect to the Windows server on startup then alt+f2 or something to switch to the windows environment and alt+f1 to switch back to the linux. Then setup your Linux server to be the Samba/LDAP server and authenticate your Windows Terminal server to it. Or worst case set your ltsp server to auth to the Windows PDC. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 24 14:41:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:41:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap PDC login question Message-ID: <200502241340.j1ODesK02990@downeast.net> fwiw: your Doamin Admins acct has an id of 200 but win is looking for domain admions group as group 513.how did domain admins get a gid of 2025??..chuck > Please have patience with a newbie question. > > I've configured the PDC (Fedora Core 2) according to > the documentation listed at: Samba-LDAP How-To using > Samba v.htm. While the script mentioned at the > website did most of the work for me, I did have to > tweak a few things. > > Right now, I've been able to join the domain with the > Win2k pc, but when I try to login, I get the error in > the samba logs: > [2005/02/24 05:48:18, 1] > rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) > _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid > S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 > 384-3381526886-2000 > but group sid S-1-5-32-513. > The conflicting domain portions are not supported for > NETLOGON calls > > The group sid S-1-5-32-513 used to be the sid for > Domain Users... > > I've rebuilt the group mapping: > > [root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list > Domain Admins > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2025) -> > Domain Admins > Domain Users > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2027) -> > Domain Users > Domain Guests > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2029) -> > Domain Guests > Domain Computers > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2031) -> > Domain Computers > Administrators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2089) -> > Administrators > Print Operators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2101) -> > Print Operators > Backup Operators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2103) -> > Backup Operators > Replicators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2105) -> > Replicators > > But still I get the same erros in the log. I've > restarted samba and ldap. What am I doing wrong? > > Greg > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 14:47:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:47:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source equivalent to MS Movie Maker? In-Reply-To: <20050223225404.GA2232@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050224144735.19862.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> thanks, I'll give that a try. -Rob > > I haven't used it, but there's this, perhaps? > > > http://susku.pyhaselka.fi/damu/software/kmediafactory/ > > "KMediafactory is easy to use template based dvd > authoring tool. You > can quickly create DVD menus for home videos and TV > recordings in > three simple steps." > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 15:07:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:07:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <000701c51a82$91714f40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our > existing domain name. But when I type in this new IP into my > browser, how do I get it to go to our local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers want to be able to access our intranet from home) I think I can help with this part. From what I gather you want your intranet to be able to type www.yourdomain.com and go to ip 10.0.0.1 for your webserver, and outside users you want to be able to type www.yourdomain.com and go to your new static IP address. If this is correct you want to separate DNS servers or a Bind split DNS server. Separate ones are easier for the newcomer. What you want is to have a DNS server (the authoritative one that your domain registrar points to) that serves all your static external IP's to the general public. Then build a separate internal server that resides on your intranet that points all of the same records to internal IP's (such as the 10.0.0.1). Now if you have say your website hosted internally but your email externally it is okay to mixed internal and external numbers on this intranet DNS server. Then point your dhcp server to offer the intranet dns server to your clients, and any static machines point to the intranet dns server. Then internal users will go to the internal address and external users will work like they always did. You could also do this with hosts files and such but the internal dns server is much easier to maintain, just a little extra work in the beginning to setup. And your k12ltsp box should have bind on it already you just needs to setup zones and zone files. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Feb 24 15:15:34 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:15:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 133 In-Reply-To: <20050224112313.4EE357341D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050224112313.4EE357341D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1109258134.32682.24.camel@phoenix.media.local> Debbie, There are a couple of things you need to do. First, you have to setup your internet router that now has the static IP to do PORT Forwarding. Basically, you will forward PORT 80 of the outside side of the router (which is your static IP address side) to PORT 80 of your k12ltsp server (which is 10.0.0.1). Before I go any further, do all your computers access the internet from one connection (FYI, I have 2 DSL lines on 2 routers...ugh)? I am going to assume for the moment that you answer yes to my previous question, and that should be all you need to get your k12ltsp server responding to web requests. From home, try typing your static IP http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and see what happens. If there are problems, we could port forward SSH (port 22) to the k12ltsp server and see if you can remotely log in from home. If that works, it probably is an apache configuration issue (have you tweaked the config any, it looks like you haven't, but I can't be sure). Next, you have to get a DNS record added to your "redeemer.gld.edu.au" domain for "intranet" and have it point to your new static IP. Hope this helps! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Debbie Schiel > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:00:55 +1100 > > Hi Everyone, > > Our school has purchased a static IP address from our broadband provider - > because I was informed that this is what is required if you want to host your > own website, and also if you want to be able to access your intranet from the > web, outside the school grounds. > > Our intranet is up and running locally off the K12ltsp server on > http://10.0.0.1/ and our website is up and running but hosted in another state > down south (Australia). > > Could someone please direct me (bearing in mind I'm an 8 month old newbie to > Linux) to a site or archived post with instructions on how to attach our static > IP address to our k12 server. As you can see I don't even know the correct > terminology for what I want to do. > > What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our existing domain name. > But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to our > local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for > wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers want > to be able to access our intranet from home) > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Feb 24 15:23:04 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:23:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping ctrl - alt - backspace Message-ID: <1109258584.421df1581d118@rix01.dyndns.org> Hello! How do i stop the clients from doing ctrl - alt - backspace ? I have found that many of them do that and thus i think they bypass the postsession script that kills their processes. GDM doesnt catch this and gconf-2 and other processes is left in limbo. Cheers! /daniel ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:38:45 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:38:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum, Up2date, Apt on FC3 Message-ID: <20050224153845.4656.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> I have a one week old install of FC3 on a production server in a classroom. I cannot get anything to upgrade! Why? I have DL'd webmin from webmin.com and the flash-plugin from mplug, but I had to do it manually. The scripts in the "Install Additional Software" folder aren't connecting. This is pretty much a default install of 4.2.0 - shouldn't everything work out of the box? My question is: how do i keep this system updated and upgraded? With my old RH8 boxes I simply used yum or apt or synaptic - and they worked! On this FC3 box, nothing is connecting. What gives, eh? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 24 15:47:51 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:47:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Our school has purchased a static IP address from our broadband provider - > because I was informed that this is what is required if you want to host your > own website, and also if you want to be able to access your intranet from the > web, outside the school grounds. Your provider isn't quite accurate: a static IP is NOT necessary to host your own website. To be fair, using a dynamic address takes a bit more setup work, but it's not hard. What you need is something like ddclient, which runs on your webserver periodically checks what public address your ISP has assigned to you, connects to your DNS server (either your own or a provider) and updates the record for your domain with the address. If you want to be REALLY cheap about it, you don't even have to pay for a domain name; you can register up to five free ones at www.dyndns.org (although you have to use sub-domains of their domains; e.g., I registered petre.homedns.org via them, and they own homedns.org). ddclient then checks the address that my ISP has assigned to me (point your browser at checkip.dyndns.org to see what public address you appear to come from). Even for top-level domains you register (I have a few), you can use some free DNS services (Zone Edit comes to mind), and then you have the ddclient update ZE's record periodically. Having said that, there are some advantages to having a static address, and if it's only a few dollars per month it may be worth it. > > Our intranet is up and running locally off the K12ltsp server on > http://10.0.0.1/ and our website is up and running but hosted in another state > down south (Australia). > > Could someone please direct me (bearing in mind I'm an 8 month old newbie to > Linux) to a site or archived post with instructions on how to attach our static > IP address to our k12 server. As you can see I don't even know the correct > terminology for what I want to do. > > What I do know is how to assign a new IP address to our existing domain name. > But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to our > local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for > wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers want > to be able to access our intranet from home) This is controlled by your firewall/router. Look for a 'port forwarding' section in the configuration. What you want is for requests the router receives from the Internet sent to port 80 (or better, 443) to be forwarded to the address of your intranet server. If your intranet contains any sensitive/private information, anything where people need an ID and password to access, you really should use https, certificates and port 443. Port 80 is all clear text and not secure. If it's all public info and you don't care who can get to it, then you don't have to worry. But if you're talking about student records, you need to go the secure route. One other suggestion: run your web server on a different box than your LTSP server. That way you can expose the webserver to the world without exposing the terminal server, which is not as tightly locked down by definition. Petre > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From netdxr at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 16:50:25 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:50:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <421D4F81.2030308@telus.net> References: <20050223155359.GD23374@wizzy.com> <421D4F81.2030308@telus.net> Message-ID: <863ff45205022408504ff3cce3@mail.gmail.com> > How do you learn to squirrel code like this? Do I just start reading any > bash script book? Also how does one run scripts at login or logoff? This is a pretty good reference... and the price is right! :) http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ -Tom From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Feb 24 16:58:55 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:58:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping ctrl - alt - backspace Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C71@remail2.westat.com> On Thu, 24 February, 2005 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hedblom said: >> How do i stop the clients from doing ctrl - alt - backspace ? >> >> I have found that many of them do that and thus i think they >> bypass the postsession script that kills their processes. GDM >> doesnt catch this and gconf-2 and other processes is left in >> limbo. In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add the following to the ServerFlag section (you may need to create this section as it isn't there by default) Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "true" EndSection -- Henry From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 17:16:29 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn & firewalling In-Reply-To: <1109202808.5464.6.camel@ntbcld.barajo.com> Message-ID: <20050224171629.87574.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Shorewall's documentation site has all the info you need. I use shorewall on my ltsp system and this set me straight: http://www.shorewall.net/ports.htm -Rob --- Claudio Catanzaro wrote: > I have installed a shorewall firewall in my K12ltsp > server. > > Obviusly, It makes an excelent work, and blocks any > dhcp, tftp, > Xsession and more, making impossible to use ltsp > terminals. > > What ports must I left open to let ltsp work?, and > can I relate that > ports to some Ip addresses? > > Thankyou in advance > > -- > Claudio Catanzaro > claudio at rednuting.com > > "I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are > details." - Albert > Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 24 17:16:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:16:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum, Up2date, Apt on FC3 In-Reply-To: <20050224153845.4656.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050224153845.4656.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1109265362.5211.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 09:38, richard ingalls wrote: > I have a one week old install of FC3 on a production > server in a classroom. I cannot get anything to > upgrade! Why? I have DL'd webmin from webmin.com and > the flash-plugin from mplug, but I had to do it > manually. The scripts in the "Install Additional > Software" folder aren't connecting. This is pretty > much a default install of 4.2.0 - shouldn't everything > work out of the box? > > My question is: how do i keep this system updated and > upgraded? > > With my old RH8 boxes I simply used yum or apt or > synaptic - and they worked! On this FC3 box, nothing > is connecting. What gives, eh? Have you installed something that blocks http and ftp internet connectivity, or do you need to use a proxy to get out? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Feb 24 17:24:09 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a050223100448aeb089@mail.gmail.com> References: < > <003401c519d0$b72897f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <2b06a1a050223100448aeb089@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nathan Sinton on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 1:04 PM +0000 wrote: >Just to clarify, you have linux clients and a windows server and you >need the clients to be able to log on to the windows server and access >file shares, printers, etc... Right? Yes, I have Linux clients and a windows network -- this is working fine. I want to add a linux terminal server to the mix. Sharon > >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:26 -0600, Jim Kronebusch >wrote: >> > I tried to ask this previously, but wasn't clear, I guess. >> > Is there anyway to incorporate LTSP into an existing Windows >> > 2000 / 2003 network? I have a Windows network with DHCP, >> > authentication/file and terminal servers running. I would >> > like to add an LTSP to the network -- >> > but HOW? The clients need to access every resource -- they >> > are all local >> > bootable clients (no true thin clients booting from the server). >> >> I too am a little confused as to what you want. I read this as you have >> an existing all windows network. You don't want to change anything with >> the Windows setup. But you want to add a LTSP server to the existing >> network and then either boot the current Windows machines via a boot >> floppy (or some other means) to the ltsp server when needed, and then be >> able to reboot back to a full local install of windows when needed. Or >> do you mean you want to connect to the ltsp server from a windows >> desktop? >> >> If the first assumption is correct I think you just need to build a >> single NIC install of ltsp. Set DHCP to run on an alternative port. >> Then set your boot floppys or whatever to get dhcp from the alternate >> port. I would think you could setup a custom boot loader on the local >> installations that would give you a menu to choose boot Windows or LTSP, >> then not mess with any boot disks. I am pretty sure I have seen this >> done before. I think that would be your most seamless option. >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 17:41:38 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:41:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum, Up2date, Apt on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1109265362.5211.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050224174138.82235.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 09:38, richard ingalls wrote: > > I have a one week old install of FC3 on a > production > > server in a classroom. I cannot get anything to > > upgrade! Why? I have DL'd webmin from webmin.com > and > > the flash-plugin from mplug, but I had to do it > > manually. The scripts in the "Install Additional > > Software" folder aren't connecting. This is > pretty > > much a default install of 4.2.0 - shouldn't > everything > > work out of the box? > > > > My question is: how do i keep this system updated > and > > upgraded? > > > > With my old RH8 boxes I simply used yum or apt or > > synaptic - and they worked! On this FC3 box, > nothing > > is connecting. What gives, eh? > > Have you installed something that blocks http and > ftp > internet connectivity, or do you need to use a proxy > to > get out? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > I have to use a proxy (a RH8 box in my room) using squid, squidguard and dansguardian... BUT with the older RH8 boxes, when I installed them, during the configuration process, it would ask the gateway (which is my proxy) and that was all that i needed to do. Apt & synaptic & yum simply worked without any special configs. What is different with FC3? What must I do to make apt, yum, up2date work through a proxy on FC3? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 18:01:16 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:01:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing prob almost sorted out- help! Message-ID: Since our network seizures we have been having printing troubles. Most users who were logged on during the several days of sporadic disconnectivity must have something corrupted in their homes. This is what I've done so far to sort this out, with a few observations along the way- 1- My common test user logon can print from the K12LTSP box- not a client 2- The common user's Firefox closes if File/Print is clicked when sitting in front of a client 3- Deleted every file and dir from /tmp- Common user's Firefox still crashes printing from client 4- Deleted every dir, file and hidden file (except .X* from common user)- user's Firefox still crashes printing from client 5- Deleted user's folder from home, mkdir and chown username username in home 6- Logon as user on client- PRINTING FROM FIREFOX NOW WORKS!! There must be something left in the user's home. I hope someone can shed some light on this, as probably 450 users of 750 can't print from Firefox. Thanks, Jim From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 18:33:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:33:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config Message-ID: <000d01c51a9f$5825ed50$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> What file tells the client where to pull custom XF86Config files from? I see in lts.conf.readme it says to put the in /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc/XF86Config.custom, but I put a file there for my ppc clients and the client says on boot it cannot find the file. So there must be a file in my ppc directory that contains the location to pull the custom files from, right? My /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf has the following: [xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx] XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo And I have created /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo (the directory wasn't there by default) Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 24 18:47:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:47:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1109270843.5211.92.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 12:50, Sharon Betts wrote: > I want to implement a Linux terminal server to serve GIMP, some TUX > stuff, Scribus, Kino, etc. The users need to be able to access the apps > on the windows terminal server as well and print to network printers and > save/load from their folders (on the Windows file server). These are > elementary students and teachers -- things must be pretty seamless for > success. This is my pilot school -- I have 4 others presently running > purely WIndows networks (except for one standalone LTSP project with thin > clients). > Best scenario --At each school, my windows authentication and file servers > remain, and I add both WIndows and a LInux terminal servers and get away > from all those locally installed apps. Obviously adding Windows terminal > servers is no problem, its the linux.... If your clients already boot to a point where they can run X locally (and Windows Cygwin X is OK), then you don't really need the ltsp part of k12ltsp. You have several options in the way you run X remotely, though: If you want the whole desktop, start X with: X -query server or for cygwin it is Xwin -query server. This should give you a graphical login box, followed by displaying a complete desktop. On windows/cygwin, this will appear to be a single near fullscreen size window that you can still minimize and move if you have other windows open. If you just want one remote program to run in a local window there are also a couple of ways to do that. X has it's own concept of remote windows controlled by the $DISPLAY environment variable. If you telnet to a remote box, export DISPLAY=localbox:0 and run an X application, the window will open back on your local desktop. This method is insecure and generally blocked by default but can still be used with some setup work. The more common way these days is to ssh to the remote server and let ssh tunnel the connection back. You may need to specify -X (or in recent versions -Y) to the ssh command to activate X tunneling. With Windows/Cygwin, you would use 'Xwin -multiwindow' mode to let each remote app run in what appears to be its own MS-managed window. After you decide which of these modes you want to support, you can do some infrastructure work to make it more transparent, like mounting the same home directories in all the servers and clients, setting up up ssh keys for passwordless access, and attaching ssh or rsh commands to menus or icons to start the remote programs. You may also have to deal with firewalling issues since X reverses the expected 'direction' of the connection. That is, the program connects to the display, but ssh forwarding eliminates some of those problems. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Feb 24 17:54:21 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:54:21 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Friday 18 February 2005 11:36, Jon White wrote: > What I need to try and do is setup a way to allow the user to connect to > their Win2K home folder when they're logged into the K12LTSP server, > while preserving their login credentials so that they can only see their > own files. I use pam_mount available at http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/ to mount our users windows home folder during logon. The pam_mount module will create a local mount folder so because our users have a home/username folder for their unix home already I mount their windows home as a sub-folder /home/username/H_drive. This makes it easy to find, keeps it away from others. The "H_drive" name comes from the fact that on the windows machines in the building the users home drive is "H:\". -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Feb 24 19:03:43 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:03:43 -0800 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <1109271823.28073.15.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 12:54 -0500, John Hansknecht wrote: > On Friday 18 February 2005 11:36, Jon White wrote: > > What I need to try and do is setup a way to allow the user to connect to > > their Win2K home folder when they're logged into the K12LTSP server, > > while preserving their login credentials so that they can only see their > > own files. > > I use pam_mount available at http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/ Also available via Fedora Extras! http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/readme.extras yum install pam_mount -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 24 19:08:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:08:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum, Up2date, Apt on FC3 In-Reply-To: <20050224174138.82235.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050224174138.82235.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1109272131.5211.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 11:41, richard ingalls wrote: > I have to use a proxy (a RH8 box in my room) using > squid, squidguard and dansguardian... BUT with the > older RH8 boxes, when I installed them, during the > configuration process, it would ask the gateway (which > is my proxy) and that was all that i needed to do. > Apt & synaptic & yum simply worked without any special > configs. What is different with FC3? > > What must I do to make apt, yum, up2date work through > a proxy on FC3? Programs that don't have their own setup (and some that do) usually observer the http_proxy and ftp_proxy environment variables. You could set these in /etc/profile if you want. Apt has it's own place in the apt.conf - I'm not sure about up2date. I normally use yum and take advantage of the shell's ability to export variables for a single command when you set them in the command line. Something like: http_proxy=http://my_proxy:port ftp_proxy=$http_proxy yum update should work. I usually do it often enough that I can recall the command from history with ^r and typing part of 'proxy'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 19:40:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:40:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <000d01c51a9f$5825ed50$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000e01c51aa8$a6fbe0c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What file tells the client where to pull custom XF86Config > files from? I see in lts.conf.readme it says to put the in > /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc/XF86Config.custom, but I put a file > there for my ppc clients and the client says on boot it > cannot find the file. So there must be a file in my ppc > directory that contains the location to pull the custom files > from, right? > > My /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf has the following: > > [xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx] > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo > > And I have created > /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo (the directory > wasn't there by default) Okay so I went back about a month and found where Jim M already told me to put the custom XF86 file into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc directory. My error went away. Now I just need to figure out why it isn't booting. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at telus.net Thu Feb 24 20:04:43 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:04:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Slashdot: Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools? Message-ID: <1109275483.421e335b60647@webmail.telus.net> Attention: Slashdot.org has an article for "Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools?" I thought people may want to post a few comments to represent us. Nice to see this type of topic on slashdot! Robert Arkiletian From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 20:35:07 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:35:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum, Up2date, Apt on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1109272131.5211.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050224203507.1316.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 11:41, richard ingalls wrote: > > > I have to use a proxy (a RH8 box in my room) using > > squid, squidguard and dansguardian... BUT with the > > older RH8 boxes, when I installed them, during the > > configuration process, it would ask the gateway > (which > > is my proxy) and that was all that i needed to do. > > > Apt & synaptic & yum simply worked without any > special > > configs. What is different with FC3? > > > > What must I do to make apt, yum, up2date work > through > > a proxy on FC3? > > Programs that don't have their own setup (and some > that do) usually > observer the http_proxy and ftp_proxy environment > variables. You > could set these in /etc/profile if you want. Apt > has it's > own place in the apt.conf - I'm not sure about > up2date. I normally > use yum and take advantage of the shell's ability to > export > variables for a single command when you set them in > the command line. > > Something like: > http_proxy=http://my_proxy:port > ftp_proxy=$http_proxy yum update > should work. I usually do it often enough that I > can recall the > command from history with ^r and typing part of > 'proxy'. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > thanks Les! that worked for me on yum (haven't tried up2date or apt yet though!). thank you. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bcarter at jchs.com Thu Feb 24 20:19:59 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:19:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] novell client for linux Message-ID: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> Has anyone used the linux novell client successfully. I am working with the pam authentication that a few people posted here, but it does not seem to be working. I wonder if installing the novell client will resolve issues with the setup. Thanks, Burt Carter Technology Coordinator JCSS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From server at benmay.org Thu Feb 24 20:40:49 2005 From: server at benmay.org (Server @ Ben May) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:40:49 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Slashdot: Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools? In-Reply-To: <1109275483.421e335b60647@webmail.telus.net> References: <1109275483.421e335b60647@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <421E3BD1.2090308@benmay.org> Do You Have the link? Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Attention: >Slashdot.org has an article for "Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools?" >I thought people may want to post a few comments to represent us. > >Nice to see this type of topic on slashdot! > >Robert Arkiletian > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > -- Regards, Ben May ben at benmay.org www.benmay.org Fortune Favours the Bold. -- Terence From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Feb 24 20:44:52 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:44:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slashdot: Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools? Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C7B@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:41 PM >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> >Attention: >> >Slashdot.org has an article for "Building a Linux Computer Lab for Schools?" >> >I thought people may want to post a few comments to represent us. >> > >> >Nice to see this type of topic on slashdot! >> >> Do You Have the link? http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/05/02/23/206217.shtml -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 21:25:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <000e01c51aa8$a6fbe0c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001401c51ab7$5922aff0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Okay so I went back about a month and found where Jim M > already told me to put the custom XF86 file into > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc directory. My error went away. Now I just > need to figure out why it isn't booting. Let's try some more info here to see if anyone can help. I am unable to boot ppc indigo vintage iMacs from ltsp. Boots to command prompt just fine, but when startx is issued it fails. So I tried to load YDL in order to take a working XF86Config from it to slam on the server, YDL fails to load and startx. So I slapped Ubuntu on it, bam, it works. So I took the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from the working Ubuntu iMac Indigo. I put the config into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo (I figure I would just name custom configs by mac flavor). Then point in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf "XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo" under [ma:ca:dd:re:ss:xx]. Now when I startx it still says I need to specify an XSERVER. Shouldn't it be getting that from my XF86Config? Where do I start for troubleshooting this? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 24 21:32:55 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:32:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001401c51ab7$5922aff0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001401c51ab7$5922aff0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You still need to tell LTSP which X module to use, so that it can figure out whether to run Xorg or an older XFree86 3.3.6 Xserver. It needs to make that decision BEFORE it uses your custom XF86Config file. Go ahead and tell it any module you want. Then, it will run Xorg using your custom file, which will cause it to actually use the X module specified in the XF86Config file. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Okay so I went back about a month and found where Jim M > > already told me to put the custom XF86 file into > > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc directory. My error went away. Now I just > > need to figure out why it isn't booting. > > Let's try some more info here to see if anyone can help. > > I am unable to boot ppc indigo vintage iMacs from ltsp. Boots to > command prompt just fine, but when startx is issued it fails. So I > tried to load YDL in order to take a working XF86Config from it to slam > on the server, YDL fails to load and startx. So I slapped Ubuntu on it, > bam, it works. So I took the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from the working > Ubuntu iMac Indigo. I put the config into > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo (I figure I would just name custom > configs by mac flavor). Then point in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf > "XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo" under [ma:ca:dd:re:ss:xx]. > > Now when I startx it still says I need to specify an XSERVER. Shouldn't > it be getting that from my XF86Config? > > Where do I start for troubleshooting this? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 21:49:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:49:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > You still need to tell LTSP which X module to use, so that it > can figure out whether to run Xorg or an older XFree86 3.3.6 > Xserver. It needs to make that decision BEFORE it uses your > custom XF86Config file. Go ahead and tell it any module you > want. Then, it will run Xorg using your custom file, which > will cause it to actually use the X module specified in the > XF86Config file. Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to load x, says it is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. Any idea where to go from here? How do I check to be sure it is pulling the custom config? Maybe I should just ship one of these to someone who knows what they are doing :-) The only reason I care is 2 of the schools I am hoping to convert over the summer have all Indigo vintage iMacs. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 21:53:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:53:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001801c51abb$44d9ad10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to load > x, says it is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. > > Any idea where to go from here? How do I check to be sure it > is pulling the custom config? > > Maybe I should just ship one of these to someone who knows > what they are doing :-) The only reason I care is 2 of the > schools I am hoping to convert over the summer have all > Indigo vintage iMacs. I was going to review the crash log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log but don't know how to move it off the terminal or how to even view it in the command prompt on the terminal. Seems there is fairly limited commands. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 24 21:57:20 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001801c51abb$44d9ad10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001801c51abb$44d9ad10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, you can use scp to copy it up to the server. Or, you can use 'more' to view it on the client. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to load > > x, says it is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. > > > > Any idea where to go from here? How do I check to be sure it > > is pulling the custom config? > > > > Maybe I should just ship one of these to someone who knows > > what they are doing :-) The only reason I care is 2 of the > > schools I am hoping to convert over the summer have all > > Indigo vintage iMacs. > > I was going to review the crash log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log but don't > know how to move it off the terminal or how to even view it in the > command prompt on the terminal. Seems there is fairly limited commands. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 24 21:58:13 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You still need to tell LTSP which X module to use, so that it > > can figure out whether to run Xorg or an older XFree86 3.3.6 > > Xserver. It needs to make that decision BEFORE it uses your > > custom XF86Config file. Go ahead and tell it any module you > > want. Then, it will run Xorg using your custom file, which > > will cause it to actually use the X module specified in the > > XF86Config file. > > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to load x, says it > is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. My guess is you'll need to edit the XF86Config file and fix one of the fontpath lines. Probably trying to use 127.0.0.1, and you'll have to change it to the ip address of the server. Jim. > > Any idea where to go from here? How do I check to be sure it is pulling > the custom config? > > Maybe I should just ship one of these to someone who knows what they are > doing :-) The only reason I care is 2 of the schools I am hoping to > convert over the summer have all Indigo vintage iMacs. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 24 22:08:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:08:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c51abd$6556b6d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > My guess is you'll need to edit the XF86Config file and fix > one of the fontpath lines. Probably trying to use 127.0.0.1, > and you'll have to change it to the ip address of the server. Below is my XF86Config-4.indigo file. I am guessing the fontpath screwing things up is the "unix/:7100". I'll try to change that. # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Section "Files" FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" # paths to defoma fonts FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID" EndSection Section "Module" Load "GLcore" Load "bitmap" Load "dbe" Load "ddc" Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "freetype" Load "glx" Load "int10" Load "record" Load "speedo" Load "type1" Load "v4l" Load "vbe" Load "xtt" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PR/PRO (AGP TMDS)" Driver "ati" Option "UseFBDev" "true" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "iMac" HorizSync 60-60 VertRefresh 75-117 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PR/PRO (AGP TMDS)" Monitor "iMac" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 24 22:11:41 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:11:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001901c51abd$6556b6d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c51abd$6556b6d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, THe 'unix/:7100' is definately a problem. You should be able to comment out that line, and it should use the additional font paths. Assuming you have the fonts installed in the ppc tree. If you do want to use the font server, then you could try: tcp/192.168.0.254:7100 Of course, make sure the IP address matches your server. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > My guess is you'll need to edit the XF86Config file and fix > > one of the fontpath lines. Probably trying to use 127.0.0.1, > > and you'll have to change it to the ip address of the server. > > Below is my XF86Config-4.indigo file. I am guessing the fontpath > screwing things up is the "unix/:7100". I'll try to change that. > > > # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file) > # > # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, > using > # values from the debconf database. > # > # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. > # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.) > # > # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades > *only* > # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the > xserver-xfree86 > # package. > # > # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically > updated > # again, run the following commands as root: > # > # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom > # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum > # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > Section "Files" > FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font > server > # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on > these > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" > # paths to defoma fonts > FontPath > "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" > FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "GLcore" > Load "bitmap" > Load "dbe" > Load "ddc" > Load "dri" > Load "extmod" > Load "freetype" > Load "glx" > Load "int10" > Load "record" > Load "speedo" > Load "type1" > Load "v4l" > Load "vbe" > Load "xtt" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > Driver "keyboard" > Option "CoreKeyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > Option "XkbModel" "pc104" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "CorePointer" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PR/PRO (AGP > TMDS)" > Driver "ati" > Option "UseFBDev" "true" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "iMac" > HorizSync 60-60 > VertRefresh 75-117 > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PR/PRO (AGP > TMDS)" > Monitor "iMac" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 4 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 15 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen "Default Screen" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 22:17:08 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:17:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Hosting your school's website off DSL In-Reply-To: <1109252905.32682.10.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <20050224221708.88499.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've found this article a long time ago. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7291 This article tells you how to route over 2 internet connections. (in a load balancing way) I wish I had 2 connections or I would try this out myself. Chris --- Henry Burroughs wrote: > Is anyone hosting their main website off of their > DSL connections? > > I've got 2 782kbs DSL lines currently (which is > pretty darn close > numerically to a T1's bandwith), and I am > considering moving my main > website internally (it is hosted offsite). I will > have a proxy/caching > system in place to cut down on much of the bandwith > usage from the > inside to the outside. Any recommendations, success > stories, or > failures? Thanks! > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Feb 24 23:06:01 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:36:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c51aba$ac7eaf70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1109286361.6044.3.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 15:49 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You still need to tell LTSP which X module to use, so that it > > can figure out whether to run Xorg or an older XFree86 3.3.6 > > Xserver. It needs to make that decision BEFORE it uses your > > custom XF86Config file. Go ahead and tell it any module you > > want. Then, it will run Xorg using your custom file, which > > will cause it to actually use the X module specified in the > > XF86Config file. > > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to load x, says it > is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. is the custom file named .1 or .indigo ?? try creating /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 and put the file there?? -- Sudev Barar From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 24 23:28:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:28:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap PDC login question In-Reply-To: <20050224110059.40566.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050224110059.40566.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not that it might not work, but be aware that the scripts on the web page are outdated and will be updated later tonight I hope...in the meantime you can get them here http://majen.net/smbldap and also....the scripts are written for FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2 not FC2. YMMV if you use FC2. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 6:00 AM +0000 wrote: >Please have patience with a newbie question. > >I've configured the PDC (Fedora Core 2) according to >the documentation listed at: Samba-LDAP How-To using >Samba v.htm. While the script mentioned at the >website did most of the work for me, I did have to >tweak a few things. > >Right now, I've been able to join the domain with the >Win2k pc, but when I try to login, I get the error in >the samba logs: >[2005/02/24 05:48:18, 1] >rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) > _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid >S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 >384-3381526886-2000 > but group sid S-1-5-32-513. > The conflicting domain portions are not supported for >NETLOGON calls > >The group sid S-1-5-32-513 used to be the sid for >Domain Users... > >I've rebuilt the group mapping: > >[root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list >Domain Admins >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2025) -> >Domain Admins >Domain Users >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2027) -> >Domain Users >Domain Guests >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2029) -> >Domain Guests >Domain Computers >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2031) -> >Domain Computers >Administrators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2089) -> >Administrators >Print Operators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2101) -> >Print Operators >Backup Operators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2103) -> >Backup Operators >Replicators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2105) -> >Replicators > >But still I get the same erros in the log. I've >restarted samba and ldap. What am I doing wrong? > >Greg > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 24 23:28:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:28:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap PDC login question In-Reply-To: <20050224110059.40566.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050224110059.40566.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not that it might not work, but be aware that the scripts on the web page are outdated and will be updated later tonight I hope...in the meantime you can get them here http://majen.net/smbldap and also....the scripts are written for FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2 not FC2. YMMV if you use FC2. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 6:00 AM +0000 wrote: >Please have patience with a newbie question. > >I've configured the PDC (Fedora Core 2) according to >the documentation listed at: Samba-LDAP How-To using >Samba v.htm. While the script mentioned at the >website did most of the work for me, I did have to >tweak a few things. > >Right now, I've been able to join the domain with the >Win2k pc, but when I try to login, I get the error in >the samba logs: >[2005/02/24 05:48:18, 1] >rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) > _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid >S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 >384-3381526886-2000 > but group sid S-1-5-32-513. > The conflicting domain portions are not supported for >NETLOGON calls > >The group sid S-1-5-32-513 used to be the sid for >Domain Users... > >I've rebuilt the group mapping: > >[root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list >Domain Admins >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2025) -> >Domain Admins >Domain Users >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2027) -> >Domain Users >Domain Guests >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2029) -> >Domain Guests >Domain Computers >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2031) -> >Domain Computers >Administrators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2089) -> >Administrators >Print Operators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2101) -> >Print Operators >Backup Operators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2103) -> >Backup Operators >Replicators >(S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-2105) -> >Replicators > >But still I get the same erros in the log. I've >restarted samba and ldap. What am I doing wrong? > >Greg > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 25 01:45:23 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:45:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] novell client for linux In-Reply-To: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <421E8333.6020601@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Fri Feb 25 02:04:55 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:04:55 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Everyone, Thanks for the info, I'm beginning to piece together what I need to do, but a lot is still fuzzy as I'm not familiar with the technical terms & jargon. So here is a whole heap of info and a graphic to illustrate our setup at school. MODEM/ROUTER ----------------------- ADSL MODEM @ 10.0.0.138 Router,PPPoA,DHCP,NAT,VPI/VCI 8/35 with the following tabs on the web GUI - -Static Routing -DNS -DHCP -NAT -Setup (DHCP is set to off as K12ltsp does all this) STATIC ROUTING INFO: pppoa 61.9.218.xxx/32 Auto pat eth0 169.254.xxx.xx/16 Auto none eth0 10.0.0.138/8 User none loop 127.0.0.1/8 Auto none I know that 61.9.218.xxx is our static IP (PS - I don't know how sensitive this info is - if at all - which is why I've replaced the last digits) Under NAT: Default server address is 10.0.0.230 (Is this what I need to change? I don't know where/what 10.0.0.230 is.) There's plenty more info which I can provide if it'll help. PROXY SERVER -------------------------- K12ltsp box @ 10.0.0.139 used for DansGuardian & squid as Proxy server This will be where I hope to one day host our website. But priority at the moment lies in getting teachers home access to the intranet which is on the next box... TERMINAL & FILE SERVER & INTRANET -------------------------- K12ltsp box @ 10.0.0.1 used as file server (thanks to samba) & thin client server & apache server (Our Intranet) Now as for changing settings etc... If that needs to be done on either of the k12 boxes I use webmin, or follow step by step instructions on command prompt. I couldn't find a port forwarding section on the router's GUI. Went to webmin's networking section and am not sure what to do here either (if anything). Yes, you're working with a dumb-nut, but a persistent one who has solved techie problems in the past and is sure she'll get this one figured out too. With some (understatement) help of course... Thanks again for the help so far, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Petre Scheie : > > But when I type in this new IP into my browser, how do I get it to go to > our > > local k12/apache server (http://10.0.0.1/) in Biloela? (The main reason for > > wanting this, besides being able to host our own website, is that teachers > want > > to be able to access our intranet from home) > > This is controlled by your firewall/router. Look for a 'port > forwarding' section in the configuration. What you want is for requests > the router receives from the Internet sent to port 80 (or better, 443) > to be forwarded to the address of your intranet server. > > If your intranet contains any sensitive/private information, anything > where people need an ID and password to access, you really should use > https, certificates and port 443. Port 80 is all clear text and not > secure. If it's all public info and you don't care who can get to it, > then you don't have to worry. But if you're talking about student > records, you need to go the secure route. > > One other suggestion: run your web server on a different box than your > LTSP server. That way you can expose the webserver to the world without > exposing the terminal server, which is not as tightly locked down by > definition. > > Petre -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: network-graphic.gif Type: image/gif Size: 5573 bytes Desc: not available URL: From glidr_greg at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 02:58:07 2005 From: glidr_greg at yahoo.com (Greg T.) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:58:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smb/ldap login question Message-ID: <20050225025808.39037.qmail@web54404.mail.yahoo.com> fwiw: your Doamin Admins acct has an id of 200 but win is looking for domain admions group as group 513.how did domain admins get a gid of 2025??..chuck Heck, I don't know! I've taken the hint and used smbldap-groupmod -s (SID) "Group Name" to modify the groups to: [root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-512) -> Domain Admins Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-513) -> Domain Users Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-514) -> Domain Guests Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-515) -> Domain Computers Administrators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-544) -> Administrators Print Operators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-550) -> Print Operators Backup Operators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-551) -> Backup Operators Replicators (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-552) -> Replicators But still, when I try to login as user gregor, here's what I get: [2005/02/24 21:46:40, 1] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 384-3381526886-2000 but group sid S-1-5-32-513. Where is "sid S-1-5-32-513" coming from. I modified it as shown above? What is going on? By the way, gregor is a Domain User... at least that's what I wanted that login to be. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 25 03:08:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:08:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1109300935.28331.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 20:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > I know that 61.9.218.xxx is our static IP > (PS - I don't know how sensitive this info is - if at all - which is why I've > replaced the last digits) If you publish the dns name, anyone can find it anyway. That's the other step with the ISP - you should have arranged for them to handle your DNS and set up some domain name for this address. Or if you are part of a larger organization (qld.edu.au)? you might get a hostname in their domain. > Under NAT: > Default server address is 10.0.0.230 > (Is this what I need to change? I don't know where/what 10.0.0.230 is.) This should be the eth1 address of your server. Any new inbound connections should be forwarded to this address and you want them to go to the server. It doesn't matter whether you change the value on the router or the server, just so they match. Note that your one public IP address belongs to the router itself, not the server. > TERMINAL & FILE SERVER & INTRANET -------------------------- > K12ltsp box @ 10.0.0.1 used as file server (thanks to samba) & thin client > server & apache server (Our Intranet) > > Now as for changing settings etc... If that needs to be done on either of the > k12 boxes I use webmin, or follow step by step instructions on command prompt. > I couldn't find a port forwarding section on the router's GUI. Went to webmin's > networking section and am not sure what to do here either (if anything). Your gif shows 2 NICs on the server but not the 2nd IP address. I hope you are using the default 192.168.1.254 on the inside. > Yes, you're working with a dumb-nut, but a persistent one who has solved techie > problems in the past and is sure she'll get this one figured out too. With some > (understatement) help of course... There are 2 more slightly odd things to deal with. If you only have one web site on the machine you can let http bind to port 80 on all interfaces and respond the same regardless of the name in the URL. This is the default setup and the easiest to use. However, if you need more than one you'll need to use named virtual hosts to identify them and have all the names point to the same IP address in DNS. The other thing is that many routers will only perform the inbound NAT translation on connections that come from outside. That is, if your k12ltsp server or clients on the inside network resolve the site name to the public address and send the packet to the router, it probably won't NAT it back the same way as if it came from the outside. That means you either have to use a different name internally (and be careful not to use absolute references in links, which is a good idea anyway) or arrange for DNS to return a different IP internally than the rest of the world sees. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Feb 25 03:55:41 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:25:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1109303740.15656.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 07:34, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Everyone, Thanks for the info, I'm beginning to piece together what I need to > do, but a lot is still fuzzy as I'm not familiar with the technical terms & > jargon. So here is a whole heap of info and a graphic to illustrate our setup > at school. > >From your diagram it seems that K12 box is already setup properly as it is using eth1 to work with router and gateway. So outward traffic is not a problem. > MODEM/ROUTER ----------------------- Here you have to set up NAT. You have to do IP:port pairing for all services that wish to allow inwards. Petres previous post is the guide here. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Feb 25 04:03:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Latest smbldap-installer script available...version 1.2 Message-ID: The latest smbldap-installer script (version 1.2) is now up on my site (Matt and I tested it at a presentation today) :-) http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ Fixes include the roaming profiles, /bin/bash default...and some new added features...check it out! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gavinchester1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 05:55:11 2005 From: gavinchester1 at hotmail.com (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:55:11 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt wants to remove k12ltsp Message-ID: WARNING: Aplogies - this mail will probably be in html because I have to mail directly from Hotmail because my outbox is broken .... but that's the subject of my next post :^(. Anyway, here is the posting: Just installed k12ltsp 4.2.0. The problem I found was that from the first time I asked Synaptic to do dist-upgrade it wanted to remove 28 packages including such gems and essentials as k12ltsp-core, k12ltsp-utils, yum, php, etc. Anyone else seen this problem? Any pointers to solving it? I also tried it from the command line with apt-get dist-upgrade and it reported the same listing of upgrades and removals, so it would appear that it's not a Synaptic problem 8-(. Further info: I added a new repository to the standard list, but even when I deactivated that (just in case) and reloaded the package headers it gave the same outcome. I don't know if it has any bearing on the problem, but if it helps the background is that version 4.2.0 is on a machine that will only have four clients some of the time and at all other times will be a stand-alone workstation. For that reason, I set out to add a few personal favourites above what a server install would require and fired up Synaptic to do some installs & upgrades. When I realised I was going a bit over the top with installs I wiped all my marked packages and started again aiming to simply do dist-upgrade. Neither Synaptic or apt on the command line seems to have recovered from that multi-choice of packages to install even though I have unmaked them several times. Regards, Gavin _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From gavinchester1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 06:09:47 2005 From: gavinchester1 at hotmail.com (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:09:47 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution outbox broken Message-ID: Apologies for sending in html, if it is, but I have to send direct from Hotmail because my outbox is broken. After installing k12ltsp 4.2.0 I seem to have IP/mailbox conflicts that this newbie doesn't know where to start looking to solve. When I try to send an email (even to myself) evolution is trying to use a POP server on my local machine despite correct settings I have given to all mail accounts to use my dialup ISP's mail server. The mail delivery times-out with the error: RCPT to failed. Requested action not taken. Mailbox unavailable. Could not connect to POP server 192.168.0.1 (port pop3) Conection timed out. I have checked the mail settings and there is no reason I can see for it to be trying to use that local IP of my machine. I have even shut down any mail services or daemons and rebooted, etc, etc., but can't solve it. I googled on the error message - even though it seems self evident what is happening - but to no avail to find out WHY :-(. Regards, Gavin _________________________________________________________________ Credit card. Apply now. 60 sec response. Must be over 18. AU only: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;11046970;10638934;f?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/first0105ninemsn/default.asp From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Feb 25 09:07:18 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:07:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] novell client for linux In-Reply-To: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <1109322438.421eeac6b5065@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! The client does work but demands that you have made everything right down to the letter. A good way of finding out where it fails is to use these commands. tail -f /var/log/secure ping name-of-netware-server slist Tail gives you a realtime scrolling output from pam so you can see what fails in the login process. You ping the server with its name since you use the name in the pam conf. If it doesnt resolve you wont be able to login. This is if you use pure IP and not IPX. slist gives you a list of the servers on the network reachable by ipx if thats what you use. Cheers! /daniel Citerar Burt Carter : > Has anyone used the linux novell client successfully. I am working with > the pam authentication that a few people posted here, but it does not > seem to be working. I wonder if installing the novell client will > resolve issues with the setup. > Thanks, > Burt Carter > Technology Coordinator > JCSS > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Feb 25 09:09:37 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:09:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping ctrl - alt - backspace (dont work) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C71@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C71@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1109322577.421eeb51ac70a@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! If i put that into /etc/X11/xorg.conf it only stops me from doing it ON the server. The thin clients isnt affected by this at all. It suspect it needs to be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf but what format do i put it in? Cheers! daniel Citerar Henry Hartley : > On Thu, 24 February, 2005 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hedblom said: > >> How do i stop the clients from doing ctrl - alt - backspace ? > >> > >> I have found that many of them do that and thus i think they > >> bypass the postsession script that kills their processes. GDM > >> doesnt catch this and gconf-2 and other processes is left in > >> limbo. > > In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add the following to the ServerFlag section > (you may need to create this section as it isn't there by default) > > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "DontZap" "true" > EndSection > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Feb 25 10:52:27 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:52:27 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware 6 Authentication References: <200502231212.AA1259536596@mail.jchs.com> <421D137D.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <019601c51b28$18715710$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List and Burt... > Burt, > > I do the same thing, only using Netware 5.1 and Novell eDirectory to > authenticate all my students on the LTSP terminals. Their Novell home > directory is mounted automatically as /nwhome under their home folder. > I do not add any users to the Linux server, the users and groups they > belong to are automatically created when the user logs in for the first > time. Works very very slick > > check this how-to > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm I am the Author of the Above HOWTO and would be glad to help in any way i can... The HOWTO above is a very very easy setup and there isnt much that can go wrong, drop me an eMail and i will do my best to help you out... We have 4 NW6.5 servers with ~2500 Students ~200 Staff and 3 K12LTSP servers running lots of Clients... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Feb 25 11:01:38 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:01:38 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] novell client for linux References: <002a01c51aae$37082700$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <01ac01c51b29$6137e7b0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Bart & List... > Has anyone used the Linux Novell client successfully. I am working with the > pam authentication that a few people posted here, but it does not seem to > be working. I wonder if installing the novell client will resolve issues with the setup. umm.. yes the Novel Client on sf.net... Had some issues getting it going @ 1st but got it going.. it was just really really messy, very cumbersome for the users.. so thatz when I started working on the HOWTO from the PAM stuff... and worked out it was very very easy once you read past all the crap in some of the other guides that are out of date and some that are very very deep technical white papers... The HOWTO @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm is just 3 simple steps, and thatz it.. easy as that.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 25 11:24:26 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:24:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smb/ldap login question Message-ID: <200502251023.j1PANV006022@downeast.net> im sure no expert but somewhere on smbldap.conf is defaultUserGid="513" does that look right..? what version of smbldap-to > fwiw: your Doamin Admins acct has an id of 200 but > win is looking for > domain admions group as group 513.how did domain > admins get a gid of > 2025??..chuck > > Heck, I don't know! > > I've taken the hint and used smbldap-groupmod -s (SID) > "Group Name" > to modify the groups to: > [root at medusa samba]# net groupmap list > Domain Admins > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-512) -> > Domain Admins > Domain Users > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-513) -> > Domain Users > Domain Guests > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-514) -> > Domain Guests > Domain Computers > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-515) -> > Domain Computers > Administrators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-544) -> > Administrators > Print Operators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-550) -> > Print Operators > Backup Operators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-551) -> > Backup Operators > Replicators > (S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179384-3381526886-552) -> > Replicators > > But still, when I try to login as user gregor, here's > what I get: > > [2005/02/24 21:46:40, 1] > rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:_net_sam_logon(766) > _net_sam_logon: user MTOLYMPUS\gregor has user sid > S-1-5-21-1526078720-2158179 > 384-3381526886-2000 > but group sid S-1-5-32-513. > > > Where is "sid S-1-5-32-513" coming from. I modified > it as shown above? What is going on? > By the way, gregor is a Domain User... at least that's > what I wanted that login to be. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 13:53:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:53:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <1109286361.6044.3.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <000a01c51b41$613a44c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to > load x, says > > it is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. > > is the custom file named .1 or .indigo ?? > try creating /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 and put the file there?? It is named .indigo which makes me question why I see stuff about /tmp/XF86Config.1, should my custom file be in the tmp? If you know any way to verify from the client it grabbed the custom file let me know. Thanks, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 13:54:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:54:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c51b41$7b506e20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > If you do want to use the font server, then you could try: > > tcp/192.168.0.254:7100 > > Of course, make sure the IP address matches your server. Thanks Jim. I'll give it a try. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Feb 25 14:24:54 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:24:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <000a01c51b41$613a44c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000a01c51b41$613a44c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Your custom config file goes in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc When the client boots, it copies your custom file to /tmp on the client, which is a ramdisk, so it's only visible to the client. When the copy is made, it's clled 'XF86Config.1', because if you have multiple SCREEN_xx lines setup, each one will have it's own config file. You can make sure that /tmp/XF86Config.1 is the same as your custom file, by setting: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell Then, once X is up and running, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, and switch to the text screen, and take a look at /tmp/XF86Config.1 using 'more'. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Thanks, I did that. Set XSERVER = ati, now it starts to > > load x, says > > > it is using /tmp/XF86Config.1, then fails. > > > > is the custom file named .1 or .indigo ?? > > try creating /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 and put the file there?? > > It is named .indigo which makes me question why I see stuff about > /tmp/XF86Config.1, should my custom file be in the tmp? If you know any > way to verify from the client it grabbed the custom file let me know. > > Thanks, > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 15:04:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:04:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c51b4b$5af61120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Your custom config file goes in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > > When the client boots, it copies your custom file to /tmp on > the client, which is a ramdisk, so it's only visible to the client. > > When the copy is made, it's clled 'XF86Config.1', because if > you have multiple SCREEN_xx lines setup, each one will have > it's own config file. > > You can make sure that /tmp/XF86Config.1 is the same as your > custom file, by setting: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = shell > > Then, once X is up and running, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, and switch > to the text screen, and take a look at /tmp/XF86Config.1 using 'more'. Thanks again. I set SCREEN_01 = shell since X always crashes at this point. Then startx manually. The XF86Config.1 file is created, and I check with more and it has the right stuff. But it still won't fire up. So now I am scrolling through /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see where my errors are. Hopefully I'll be able to post back with some positive progress. Thanks for the help. At least now I have a decent troubleshooting path. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 15:15:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:15:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <001201c51b4b$5af61120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001301c51b4c$cec83960$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks again. I set SCREEN_01 = shell since X always crashes > at this point. Then startx manually. The XF86Config.1 file > is created, and I check with more and it has the right stuff. > But it still won't fire up. So now I am scrolling through > /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see where my errors are. Hopefully > I'll be able to post back with some positive progress. > > Thanks for the help. At least now I have a decent > troubleshooting path. Success!! Using #more /var/log/XFree86.0.log I was able to find the conflicts. Thanks Jim! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 15:19:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:19:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Troubleshooting Sound drivers Message-ID: <001401c51b4d$6a08a3b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay now that I have all of my different vintage macs booting as thins, I need to figure out sound. My initial thought here is just like with getting X to run. I have installed local installations of a working Ubuntu on to each vintage mac. I test X and sound with the local install and they both work. I moved the XF86Config stuff to the server hoping that would contain enough info to get sound working, doesn't look like XF86Config is the right file for sound stuff (correct me if this assumption is wrong). So now that I have X working (by far the most important part) I need to work on sound. So, can anyone point me in the right direction on where/how to find the information from the local machine that makes sound work and incorporate that info on the server? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From nsinton at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 15:54:24 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:54:24 -0700 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1109271823.28073.15.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <1109271823.28073.15.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <2b06a1a050225075421c6ef7c@mail.gmail.com> A tip for you: add a line in your /etc/samba/smb.conf in the [global] section like this: winbind use default domain = yes Then you won't have to use the DOMAIN-username format, just the username like the Windows boxes. On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:03:43 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 12:54 -0500, John Hansknecht wrote: > > On Friday 18 February 2005 11:36, Jon White wrote: > > > What I need to try and do is setup a way to allow the user to connect to > > > their Win2K home folder when they're logged into the K12LTSP server, > > > while preserving their login credentials so that they can only see their > > > own files. > > > > I use pam_mount available at http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/ > > Also available via Fedora Extras! > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/readme.extras > > yum install pam_mount > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bcarter at jchs.com Fri Feb 25 16:06:32 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:06:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting home directories Message-ID: <200502251106.AA1025179984@mail.jchs.com> I have installed ncpfs and the pam_auth module. After I set everything up following the directions given here, I was unable to authenticate. I left and came back about 30mins later and it worked?? Is this normal? It appears to be working now with the following exceptions. When users login I get the following output from /var/log/secure: "user student.hsms.boe had trouble mounting hsms-home/user on /home/student/nwhome" The student home directory on the Novell 6 server is actually: "hsms-home/user/hs/students/student" It appears to be attempting to mount the wrong directory to home and fails to mount. I was unable to follow the last step(step 4) in the K12LTSP howtoz.net document because /usr/bin/ncpumount and /usr/bin/ncpmount did not exist. THe link I created in /usr/local/bin/ is broken due to this. Could this be causing the problem? Also, I see the following error in the /var/log/secure output occasionally: "WaitPid: Fatal: no child process" Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 25 16:53:56 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication Message-ID: <421F5824.2070001@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school and it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and it's exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so sure that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will work well, but ... BK From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 17:00:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:00:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Email notifications on quota limits Message-ID: <001601c51b5b$8457d610$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> This has to be a simple thing to do so here it goes. Does anyone know how or currently have a script or something that could be set in certain increments (daily, hourly, etc) to do a quota check, determine all users that are say over 90% of their quota, and then email a canned message to both the users in question and to the system administrator? I thought of writing a script that say ran quota check, did a grep of the output, performed the math to calculate a percentage of usage, then executed a if statement that said if usage over 90% then perform the email steps else do nothing, then took a user variable or something and generated a email to all users exceeding their limit with text pulled from a certain file. But then thought, someone has to have done this already, and I don't know how to script :-) Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 25 16:58:22 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <1109350702.3697.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 12:54, John Hansknecht wrote: > I use pam_mount available at http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/ to mount > our users windows home folder during logon. The pam_mount module will create > a local mount folder so because our users have a home/username folder for > their unix home already I mount their windows home as a > sub-folder /home/username/H_drive. This makes it easy to find, keeps it away > from others. The "H_drive" name comes from the fact that on the windows > machines in the building the users home drive is "H:\". Thanks for the info. This looks like it will do exactly what I'm looking for, once I get some time to sit down and get it setup. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 25 17:01:43 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:01:43 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Accessing Windows shares from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a050225075421c6ef7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1108744573.3711.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502241254.21015.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <1109271823.28073.15.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <2b06a1a050225075421c6ef7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109350903.3697.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 10:54, Nathan Sinton wrote: > A tip for you: > > add a line in your /etc/samba/smb.conf in the [global] section like > this: winbind use default domain = yes Then you won't have to use > the DOMAIN-username format, just the username like the Windows boxes. > Great tip! I had wondered if there was a way to do without typing in the domain name, but had filed it away as a minor thing to work on once everything else worked. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 25 16:54:46 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:54:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] mounting home directories In-Reply-To: <200502251106.AA1025179984@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502251106.AA1025179984@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <56529.199.216.98.50.1109350486.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Burt, I had to make sure that in the Novell eDirectory the Home directory was properly defined and that the user had full rights to that folder. Once I had that, the proper folder was properly mounted. This is what my pam config looks like -A is to use TCP/IP -a is to automagically create new users and mount their home dir. I added all the user contexts so that they do not have to use the context in their login. .... this is what works here. Joe Guenther = = = = system-auth = = = = #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=dbhsns1:ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2005.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2006.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2007.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2008.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE -a -d -L -u2000,4000,pn,gcds -g2000,4000,pn -A auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so On Fri, February 25, 2005 9:06 am, Burt Carter said: > I have installed ncpfs and the pam_auth module. After I set everything up > following the directions given here, I was unable to authenticate. I left > and came back about 30mins later and it worked?? Is this normal? It > appears to be working now with the following exceptions. When users login > I get the following output from /var/log/secure: > > "user student.hsms.boe had trouble mounting hsms-home/user on > /home/student/nwhome" > > The student home directory on the Novell 6 server is actually: > "hsms-home/user/hs/students/student" > > It appears to be attempting to mount the wrong directory to home and fails > to mount. > I was unable to follow the last step(step 4) in the K12LTSP howtoz.net > document because /usr/bin/ncpumount and /usr/bin/ncpmount did not exist. > THe link I created in /usr/local/bin/ is broken due to this. Could this > be causing the problem? > > Also, I see the following error in the /var/log/secure output > occasionally: > "WaitPid: Fatal: no child process" > > Thanks, > Burt Carter > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com > > > > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the > use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic > mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank > You. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:421f4d7813685210312130! > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 25 17:14:03 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:14:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> Sharon Betts wrote: > I have IGEL clients (linux flash bootable) and legacy windows 2000 > machines. They presently all boot and then authenticate through my > Windows server, access my WIndows terminal server for Star Office and many > other apps. and use the file server for their folders. > > I want to implement a Linux terminal server to serve GIMP, some TUX > stuff, Scribus, Kino, etc. The users need to be able to access the apps > on the windows terminal server as well and print to network printers and > save/load from their folders (on the Windows file server). These are > elementary students and teachers -- things must be pretty seamless for > success. This is my pilot school -- I have 4 others presently running > purely WIndows networks (except for one standalone LTSP project with thin > clients). > > Best scenario --At each school, my windows authentication and file servers > remain, and I add both WIndows and a LInux terminal servers and get away > from all those locally installed apps. Obviously adding Windows terminal > servers is no problem, its the linux.... > Sharon > It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) 1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. 2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server. 3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. 4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win server. 5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. As to the first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running Active Directory on the Windows server? Or are the Windows clients just using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server (anyone?), but I haven't. With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer which is then connected to the network? In either case, defining the printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the Windows server. #4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems to me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle the user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then dovetail into #2. HTH. Petre From gavinchester1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 17:19:28 2005 From: gavinchester1 at hotmail.com (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:19:28 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt wants to remove k12ltsp - Resolved (kind of) Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 13:55 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: >Just installed k12ltsp 4.2.0. The problem I found was that from the first >time >I asked Synaptic to do dist-upgrade it wanted to remove 28 packages >including such gems and essentials as k12ltsp-core, k12ltsp-utils, yum, >php, etc. Anyone else seen this problem? Any pointers to solving it? > -snip- Still emailing cold from Hotmail, so forgive the lack of proper threaded replies :-) I have kind of solved my dist-upgrade problem. Well, actually I haven't solved the Apt problem, but tried Yum instead and had success! It is nearly through downloading all the packages to do the dist-upgrade without appearing to misbehave like Apt did. Curiously, I since used Apt from the CLI to install one new package and it did that flawlessly. I would really like to have some idea why the dist-upgrade tried to remove so many essential packages because I would much rather use Apt over Yum anyday. IMHO Yum is a poor cousin to Apt, and I'm not just talking lack of GUI - it just doesn't interact with the user anywhere near enough for my liking, but then I guess it's just what you get used to. Regards, Gavin. _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 17:41:23 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:41:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt wants to remove k12ltsp - Resolved (kind of) Message-ID: This is what I ran into a couple weeks ago. I used Dags sources with livna dries and a couple of others. I was aware that several of these don't necessarily like each other. When I got conflicts, I'ld cut the "newer rarely used" named conflicting source and do another apt-get update, then run synaptic and continue... Somehow I managed to mess something pretty good because up2date wouldn't work for some time. Fixed now but Firefox crashes for printing from clients for some users. Jim From bcarter at jchs.com Fri Feb 25 17:27:19 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <421F5824.2070001@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <003301c51b5f$4256b930$21690a0a@TechOffice> I am in the process of setting up the novell authentication now for a test network. I am not sure that authentication with a Netware 4 box will work, you may need to upgrade to 6 or 6.5. The howto's that have been posted here have been very helpful and all in all it has been pretty easy. The only problem I have right now is mounting user directories. Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school and it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and it's exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so sure that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will work well, but ... BK _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 17:45:44 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:45:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing prob almost sorted out- help! Message-ID: What I can't figure out is why a common user CAN print from Firefox when logged into the actual server, but logged onto a client crashes Firefox at print... Ideas?? Jim-who-messed-up-his-K12... From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Feb 25 17:55:26 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:55:26 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution outbox broken - Resolved (kind of) Message-ID: <421F668E.7050206@ecosolutions.com.au> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 14:09 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > After installing k12ltsp 4.2.0 I seem to have IP/mailbox conflicts > that this newbie doesn't know where to start looking to solve. When I > try to send an email (even to myself) evolution is trying to use a POP > server on my local machine despite correct settings I have given to > all mail accounts to use my dialup ISP's mail server. > The mail delivery times-out with the error: > > RCPT to failed. Requested action not taken. > Mailbox unavailable. Could not connect to POP server 192.168.0.1 > (port pop3) > Connection timed out. > > I have checked the mail settings and there is no reason I can see for > it to be trying to use that local IP of my machine. YAY! I've kind of got this solved and don't have to send from Hotmail anymore :-))) I was able to resolve this issue by downloading and installing Thunderbird to use instead of Evolution. As soon as I fired off an email there were NONE of the delivery problems that I had with Evo. Weird. That exercise proves that my original problem was just with Evo. Anyone else had problems with the latest version of it that came with the K12LTSP 4.2.0 isos? I guess I'll go through the exercise of migrating all my old mailboxes to Thunderbird. Like I needed the extra work. I guess I was also dismayed about Evo being picked up by Novell as a paid product anyway :-( Regards, Gavin From claudio at rednuting.com Fri Feb 25 15:17:49 2005 From: claudio at rednuting.com (Claudio Catanzaro) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:17:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn & firewalling Message-ID: <1109344670.5449.6.camel@ntbcld.barajo.com> Ok, then I must open: TFTP -> UDP 69, source = LAN X/XDMCP -> UDP 177, source = Firewall TCP 6000:6009, source = Firewall that's enough to make it work? and sources are right? Thankyou Claudio >From: Rob Owens > >Shorewall's documentation site has all the info you >need. I use shorewall on my ltsp system and this set >me straight: http://www.shorewall.net/ports.htm > >-Rob > >--- Claudio Catanzaro wrote: > >> I have installed a shorewall firewall in my K12ltsp >> server. >> >> Obviusly, It makes an excelent work, and blocks any >> dhcp, tftp, >> Xsession and more, making impossible to use ltsp >> terminals. >> >> What ports must I left open to let ltsp work?, and >> can I relate that >> ports to some Ip addresses? >> >> Thankyou in advance >> >> -- >> Claudio Catanzaro >> claudio at rednuting.com >> >> "I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are >> details." - Albert >> Einstein From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 18:30:24 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:30:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm having this same problem. I have set the /etc/sysconfig/dhcp to listen on port 1067, I have created a boot disk at rom-o-matic for port 1067, and I have made the JAM-recommended changes to the dhcpd.conf file. The workstation starts the boot process and gets some distance, but then I get: ... Running dhcpcd on port 67 ERROR! dhcpcd failed! Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Steve On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:37:04 -0800 (PST), Putu Agus wrote: > Dear All, > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > no impact, when the client boot the process. > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've read > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q eth0 > > on the client screen: > Loading room image... > Rom Segment .... > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > Relocating _text ... > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > ... > ... > ... > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > kernel panic:.... > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the kernel. > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > Thanks > ~Pap > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From jam at mcquil.com Fri Feb 25 18:39:45 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:39:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: References: <20050219103705.17194.qmail@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, DId you add both option-128 AND 129 ? They are both critical. If you still need help, send me a copy of your dhcpd.conf file. Thanks, Jim. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I'm having this same problem. I have set the /etc/sysconfig/dhcp to > listen on port 1067, I have created a boot disk at rom-o-matic for > port 1067, and I have made the JAM-recommended changes to the > dhcpd.conf file. > > The workstation starts the boot process and gets some distance, but then I get: > > ... > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > Steve > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:37:04 -0800 (PST), Putu Agus wrote: > > Dear All, > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've read > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q eth0 > > > > on the client screen: > > Loading room image... > > Rom Segment .... > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > > Relocating _text ... > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > kernel panic:.... > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the kernel. > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > Thanks > > ~Pap > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 25 19:01:27 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:01:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] xmms fails to play sound on terminal Message-ID: <1392.216.216.171.235.1109358087.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, I have the sound enabled on a terminal and it works fine for Flash in Mozilla. Xmms fails with the "couldn't open audio" message. this is k12 3.2.x with ltsp 4.0. Any suggestions on fixing it? julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCH3YH2LhlZOaj6vURAozdAKCIsS+IVmhLoBUA2TkjLIMcS5ctVwCbBm4a ihvl6I/FBtT9voh9+KhTo4U= =qMEq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Feb 25 19:25:56 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:25:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms fails to play sound on terminal In-Reply-To: <1392.216.216.171.235.1109358087.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <1392.216.216.171.235.1109358087.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <421F7BC4.5030006@inlandlakes.org> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > I have the sound enabled on a terminal and it works fine for Flash in > Mozilla. Xmms fails with the "couldn't open audio" message. this is k12 Have to make sure xmms is set to use esd (if esd is what your'e using) -- if you're using NASD, i don't have a clue. :) (I'ts like an export plugin or something like that in xmms to configure) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 25 19:47:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:47:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Email notifications on quota limits In-Reply-To: <001601c51b5b$8457d610$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002201c51b72$cf8b9420$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > This has to be a simple thing to do so here it goes. Does > anyone know how or currently have a script or something that > could be set in certain increments (daily, hourly, etc) to do > a quota check, determine all users that are say over 90% of > their quota, and then email a canned message to both the > users in question and to the system administrator? I stumbled across something called warnquota. From man warnquota I see it uses the following files: aquota.user quota.user /etc/warnquota.conf /etc/quotatab /etc/mtab /etc/passwd I'll try playing around with this and see if it will do what I want. Thanks, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bcarter at jchs.com Fri Feb 25 19:37:34 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:37:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting home directories In-Reply-To: <200502251106.AA1025179984@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <003601c51b71$746779c0$21690a0a@TechOffice> I have been working on this problem all day and am still having trouble mounting the user's home directory from the NW 6 server. Does anyone have any suggestions? Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burt Carter Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:07 AM To: k12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] mounting home directories I have installed ncpfs and the pam_auth module. After I set everything up following the directions given here, I was unable to authenticate. I left and came back about 30mins later and it worked?? Is this normal? It appears to be working now with the following exceptions. When users login I get the following output from /var/log/secure: "user student.hsms.boe had trouble mounting hsms-home/user on /home/student/nwhome" The student home directory on the Novell 6 server is actually: "hsms-home/user/hs/students/student" It appears to be attempting to mount the wrong directory to home and fails to mount. I was unable to follow the last step(step 4) in the K12LTSP howtoz.net document because /usr/bin/ncpumount and /usr/bin/ncpmount did not exist. THe link I created in /usr/local/bin/ is broken due to this. Could this be causing the problem? Also, I see the following error in the /var/log/secure output occasionally: "WaitPid: Fatal: no child process" Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. 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From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 25 20:38:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:38:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution outbox broken - Resolved (kind of) In-Reply-To: <421F668E.7050206@ecosolutions.com.au> References: <421F668E.7050206@ecosolutions.com.au> Message-ID: <1109363917.26692.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 11:55, Gavin Chester wrote: > > After installing k12ltsp 4.2.0 I seem to have IP/mailbox conflicts > > that this newbie doesn't know where to start looking to solve. When I > > try to send an email (even to myself) evolution is trying to use a POP > > server on my local machine despite correct settings I have given to > > all mail accounts to use my dialup ISP's mail server. > > The mail delivery times-out with the error: > > RCPT to failed. Requested action not taken. > > Mailbox unavailable. Could not connect to POP server 192.168.0.1 > > (port pop3) > > Connection timed out. > > > > I have checked the mail settings and there is no reason I can see for > > it to be trying to use that local IP of my machine. Evolution lets you configure 'sending mail' separately for each account you add. If your linux box has sendmail configured to send directly or relay through your ISP's mailer you can let all accounts send with sendmail or to localhost - or to your ISP's relay instead. Your error message only makes sense if you checked the 'server needs authentication' box and picked 'pop-before-smtp' from the authentication types. However, once you have an undeliverable item in the outbox it will hang there until you delete it or change the sending method to something that works. > YAY! I've kind of got this solved and don't have to send from Hotmail > anymore :-))) > > I was able to resolve this issue by downloading and installing > Thunderbird to use instead of Evolution. As soon as I fired off an > email there were NONE of the delivery problems that I had with Evo. > Weird. That exercise proves that my original problem was just with Evo. > Anyone else had problems with the latest version of it that came with > the K12LTSP 4.2.0 isos? I normally use an earlier version, but fired that up to test with no problems. You probably just have a configuration problem. > I guess I'll go through the exercise of migrating all my old mailboxes > to Thunderbird. Like I needed the extra work. I guess I was also > dismayed about Evo being picked up by Novell as a paid product anyway :-( I thought they released it all - even the exchange connector, as free open source. Anyway if you are going to use different mailers a good approach is to run IMAP on your server: chkconfig --level 345 dovecot on service dovecot start Then configure your 'Receiving Mail' /server type as IMAP for an account. You will be able to select mail from any other account and drag it into folders you create on the IMAP server. Any other mailer using IMAP will be able to see the same folders, so you can use an assortment of mailers and they will all see the same thing with no more conversions. If you keep more than a few thousand messages per folder you should probably play with the dovecot options to use maildir format. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Feb 25 20:55:11 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:55:11 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20RE:=20[K12OSN]=20mounting=20home=20d?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?irectories?= Message-ID: Hi, I wrote up the original howto on the k12ltsp wiki pages. You must have ncpmount and ncpumount installed and working. I'm not sure if these tools are in ipxutils or ncpfs packages. If you have to, remove these packages are reload them. >>> bcarter at jchs.com 2005-02-25 14:37:34 >>> I have been working on this problem all day and am still having trouble mounting the user's home directory from the NW 6 server. Does anyone have any suggestions? Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burt Carter Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:07 AM To: k12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] mounting home directories I have installed ncpfs and the pam_auth module. After I set everything up following the directions given here, I was unable to authenticate. I left and came back about 30mins later and it worked?? Is this normal? It appears to be working now with the following exceptions. When users login I get the following output from /var/log/secure: "user student.hsms.boe had trouble mounting hsms-home/user on /home/student/nwhome" The student home directory on the Novell 6 server is actually: "hsms-home/user/hs/students/student" It appears to be attempting to mount the wrong directory to home and fails to mount. I was unable to follow the last step(step 4) in the K12LTSP howtoz.net document because /usr/bin/ncpumount and /usr/bin/ncpmount did not exist. THe link I created in /usr/local/bin/ is broken due to this. Could this be causing the problem? Also, I see the following error in the /var/log/secure output occasionally: "WaitPid: Fatal: no child process" Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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The howto's that have been posted here have been very helpful and all in all it has been pretty easy. The only problem I have right now is mounting user directories. Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school and it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and it's exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so sure that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will work well, but ... 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Thank You. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Fri Feb 25 21:12:37 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer 1.2 released Message-ID: <20050225211237.GQ21817@localhost.localdomain> http://majen.net/smbldap/ You can grab it there. It has been tested: - with Windows profiles - with a thin client (Thanks Dave!) - for local logins There is a new (as yet undocumented) script included - smbldap-userdel-bulk. I wrote it yesterday afternoon after a conversation with Dave Trask and it has been successfully tested exactly once. See userinfo.delete.example for further details and (as is always the case) use at your own risk! But after you do, please send your compliments and complaints to me. --matt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From bcarter at jchs.com Fri Feb 25 21:59:15 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:59:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication Message-ID: <200502251659.AA1213923510@mail.jchs.com> I am using IP, I think. The server uses both IP and IPX. The clients authenticate, but I get an error 1 when ncp is called. It is installed and running on the server. Burt ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Kuntzman" Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:55:32 -0600 >Are you using IP or IPX?? > > >>>> bcarter at jchs.com 2/25/2005 11:27:19 AM >>> >I am in the process of setting up the novell authentication now for a >test network. I am not sure that authentication with a Netware 4 box >will work, you may need to upgrade to 6 or 6.5. The howto's that have >been posted here have been very helpful and all in all it has been >pretty easy. The only problem I have right now is mounting user >directories. > >Burt Carter > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Brandon Kovach >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication > >We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school >and > >it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. > >We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. > >I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and >it's > >exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. > >So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get >our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so >sure > >that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will work >well, but ... > >BK > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain >legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the >use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended >recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, >distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, >please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by >electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups >thereof. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 26 00:13:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:13:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future Message-ID: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> First off, please note that is all "speculation". I've been pretty quiet the last two weeks and I'll probably be offline most of next week (I've had my arm twisted into attending a conference in Hawaii ;-). This is more or less just a quick brain dump on what I've been working on/thinking about. Over the last couple of weeks, I've been chatting with Jim McQuillan of LTSP and Mark Shuttleworth and Matt Zimmerman of Ubuntu. We have discussed a large number of topics, many of which concern K12LTSP and the areas where it is best for us to focus our resources and expertise. Yesterday, Jim and Matt flew out to Portland and the three of us spent all day hacking on code, talking about how LTSP works, the needs/concerns of distribution developers, etc, etc. From a technical stand-point, I believe we made great strides in developing a game-plan to make it easier to integrate LTSP into a distribution. The hopeful outcome of this would be (this is where the speculation part comes in) that Matt will successfully integrate LTSP into Ubuntu and the workload on Jim will be reduced significantly so that he can focus on adding new features into LTSP. What would this mean to K12LTSP? Worse case it will also reduce my workload on integrating LTSP into K12LTSP so that it is easier for me to focus on adding new features to K12LTSP. Best case, the unique features of K12LTSP will be mainstream, fully supported by the major distributions, and we can focus our resources and expertise completely on education issues. Which brings us to speculation on education. Mark Shuttleworth has been doing a lot of work with schools around the world. You may remember a recent post talking about how the Shuttleworth Foundation has installed K12LTSP for 80,000+ children in South Africa. The Shuttleworth Foundation is funding a number of projects aimed directly at education, the Schooltool project for example: http://schooltool.org/. Since the interest of the Shuttleworth Foundation/Ubuntu cross over into the areas of interest of K12LTSP, I'm willing to speculate that we will be working more and more with them in the future. I've already volunteered to help with some of the packaging of the schooltool project... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 26 00:44:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:44:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future In-Reply-To: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1109378670.669.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 18:13, Eric Harrison wrote: > Yesterday, Jim and Matt flew out to Portland and the three of us spent > all day hacking on code, talking about how LTSP works, the > needs/concerns of distribution developers, etc, etc. I always like to see someone take a simple idea and beat it into the ground. Has anyone considered cascading the netboot process for the servers too? That is, set up a machine on the 'outside' network to pxe boot the k12ltsp servers (could be the same as the home/authentication server) so the servers could be diskless or just have local swap and have no extra setup required for any number of them. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 26 01:36:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:36:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future In-Reply-To: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Eric, (and all) Jim had mentioned that you guys were going to meet when I spoke to him at LinuxWorld. We had LTSP and Ubuntu running in the LTSP booth. I must say that the more I play with Ubuntu (and it's a lot as Matt has given me some CD's as he's doing some work for Canonical Ltd....the company behind Ubuntu) I'm running Ubuntu on my PC laptop and my older Apple Powerbook (Pismo). It runs great and setup is a breeze. I love the fact that Jim Kronebush (I met him and his business partner Mike at Linux World...awesome guys) has LTSP running on Ubuntu PPC on a Mac Server....that's supremely cool and could have huge implications in schools. Ubuntu gives me a warm fuzzy feeling as they appear to be reaching out in all the right directions...unlike some of the major distro's who appear to be more wrapped up in their own business affairs (understandably, but it doesn't help us a lot) Ubuntu is also based on rock-solid Debian...and the more I play with Debian (and I have a LOT to learn) the more I like it. It just makes sense. I've been teaching a class in New Hampshire this past week to tech folks from schools all over NH. I taught them as much as I could about K12LTSP, Samba-LDAP, and SME server....along with the issues, educational advantages....etc. It's really taking off. I also gave all of them a copy of Ubuntu as well. ;-) Matt Oquist (of smbldap-installer fame) came up and joined us on Thursday and we presented Samba-LDAP and the installer in all it's glory. Matt and I also came up with an idea for "deleting users" and Matt wrote a script during the class and packaged it with the latest smbldap-installer 1.2 Anyway...I view the meeting as a great step and having Ubuntu, The Shuttleworth folks, and all the good karma that comes with it...as something that bodes well for the future health of K12LTSP and LTSP in general. Thanks for all you and Jim (and everyone else) do...keep us posted on the developments and let us know how we can help. Have fun in Hawaii! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Feb 25 2005 at 19:13 +0000 wrote: > >First off, please note that is all "speculation". I've been pretty quiet >the last two weeks and I'll probably be offline most of next week (I've >had my arm twisted into attending a conference in Hawaii ;-). This is >more or less just a quick brain dump on what I've been working >on/thinking about. > >Over the last couple of weeks, I've been chatting with Jim McQuillan of >LTSP and Mark Shuttleworth and Matt Zimmerman of Ubuntu. We have >discussed a large number of topics, many of which concern K12LTSP and >the areas where it is best for us to focus our resources and expertise. > >Yesterday, Jim and Matt flew out to Portland and the three of us spent >all day hacking on code, talking about how LTSP works, the >needs/concerns of distribution developers, etc, etc. > > From a technical stand-point, I believe we made great strides in >developing a game-plan to make it easier to integrate LTSP into a >distribution. The hopeful outcome of this would be (this is where the >speculation part comes in) that Matt will successfully integrate LTSP >into Ubuntu and the workload on Jim will be reduced significantly so >that he can focus on adding new features into LTSP. > >What would this mean to K12LTSP? Worse case it will also reduce my >workload on integrating LTSP into K12LTSP so that it is easier for me to >focus on adding new features to K12LTSP. Best case, the unique features >of K12LTSP will be mainstream, fully supported by the major >distributions, and we can focus our resources and expertise completely >on education issues. > > >Which brings us to speculation on education. Mark Shuttleworth has been >doing a lot of work with schools around the world. You may remember a >recent post talking about how the Shuttleworth Foundation has installed >K12LTSP for 80,000+ children in South Africa. The Shuttleworth >Foundation is funding a number of projects aimed directly at education, >the Schooltool project for example: http://schooltool.org/. Since the >interest of the Shuttleworth Foundation/Ubuntu cross over into the areas >of interest of K12LTSP, I'm willing to speculate that we will be working >more and more with them in the future. I've already volunteered to help >with some of the packaging of the schooltool project... > > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 26 01:55:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:55:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future In-Reply-To: <1109378670.669.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <421FBF1B.8070001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1109378670.669.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 18:13, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Yesterday, Jim and Matt flew out to Portland and the three of us spent >> all day hacking on code, talking about how LTSP works, the >> needs/concerns of distribution developers, etc, etc. > > I always like to see someone take a simple idea and beat it > into the ground. Has anyone considered cascading the netboot > process for the servers too? That is, set up a machine on the > 'outside' network to pxe boot the k12ltsp servers (could be the > same as the home/authentication server) so the servers could be > diskless or just have local swap and have no extra setup required > for any number of them. We didn't beat this specific idea into the ground, but it falls within a bigger problem set that we looked at. So in theory, yes. In practice, we'll see ;-) -Eric From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sat Feb 26 02:29:40 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:29:40 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future Message-ID: <7b89d7f0c0.7f0c07b89d@k12.hi.us> From: David Trask > Ubuntu is also based on > rock-solid Debian...and the more I play with Debian (and I have a > LOT to learn) the more I like it. It just makes sense. We are so looking forward to meeting Eric at our eSchool conference here in Hawaii. Eric, our hearts are filled with aloha for you and your efforts. You've made such an impact, and we are greatful. We've also been following the Skole Linux project. Since Skole Linux is Debian based, is there any chance this new direction could merge the best of both? I'm a teacher, not a techie, so I don't even know if it would make any sense. --Peter From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Feb 26 03:07:11 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:07:11 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt wants to remove k12ltsp - Resolved (kind of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109387231.12035.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 10:41 -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > This is what I ran into a couple weeks ago. I used Dags sources with livna > dries and a couple of others. I was aware that several of these don't > necessarily like each other. When I got conflicts, I'ld cut the "newer > rarely used" named conflicting source and do another apt-get update, then > run synaptic and continue... > Snap! Jim that's exactly the repository I added. WARNING to all others: Don't add Dags sources to your repo list!! I've removed the repos in question and re-run apt-get update a couple of times, but I still get the same problem with Apt wanting to take out lots of good packages. Anyone got pointers to the Apt config file to edit/delete/recreate to stop it misbehaving? Specifically, I can download and install individual packages okay, but not do a dist-upgrade with Apt. BTW: What repo should I add to get mplayer and its utilities/codecs? The existing repos that come with k12ltsp don't seem to know about it. I don't want to add anymore errant repos after my recent experience. Regards, Gavin. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 26 03:35:39 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:35:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future In-Reply-To: <7b89d7f0c0.7f0c07b89d@k12.hi.us> References: <7b89d7f0c0.7f0c07b89d@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > From: David Trask > >> Ubuntu is also based on >> rock-solid Debian...and the more I play with Debian (and I have a >> LOT to learn) the more I like it. It just makes sense. > > We are so looking forward to meeting Eric at our eSchool conference here in Hawaii. Eric, our hearts are filled with aloha for you and your efforts. You've made such an impact, and we are greatful. > > We've also been following the Skole Linux project. Since Skole Linux is Debian based, is there any chance this new direction could merge the best of both? I'm a teacher, not a techie, so I don't even know if it would make any sense. > --Peter I've been working with Ubuntu & LTSP to help make LTSP easier to integrate into a distribution (K12LTSP is currently the only distribution with LTSP integrated, so making it easier for Ubuntu will in turn make it easier for K12LTSP). Even this is at the early stages. But the underlying concept is an attempt to eliminate duplications of efforts and to leverage the expertise of different projects. So, if you want to dabble in some extremely wild speculation, you could take this underlying concept and apply it to K12LTSP & Skolelinux. I'm not sure what will shake out in the end, but it is a heathy exercise for us to think about this. Hmmm, I can even come up with a scenario that is not too much of a fantasy. Let's say that Ubuntu adds LTSP, the education apps, etc that makes K12LTSP unique. All of these things are on the Ubuntu TODO list. Next, Skolelinux bases a new version on Ubuntu rather than Debian. K12LTSP & Skolelinux would be effectively merged... -Eric From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Feb 26 04:09:35 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:09:35 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? In-Reply-To: <1109303740.15656.3.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1109303740.15656.3.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <421FF67F.5060803@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 07:34, Debbie Schiel wrote: > >>Hi Everyone, Thanks for the info, I'm beginning to piece together what I need to >>do, but a lot is still fuzzy as I'm not familiar with the technical terms & >>jargon. So here is a whole heap of info and a graphic to illustrate our setup >>at school. >> > > >>From your diagram it seems that K12 box is already setup properly as it > is using eth1 to work with router and gateway. So outward traffic is not > a problem. > > >>MODEM/ROUTER ----------------------- > > Here you have to set up NAT. > > You have to do IP:port pairing for all services that wish to allow > inwards. Petres previous post is the guide here. > > HTH Hi again I tried out dyndns.org last night from home as suggested by Petre Scheie and it all worked ok from my laptop via a dialup modem. So I'm trying the same thing with the static IP here at school, but of course the setup is not the same as home. Our static IP is 61.9.218.104 and using dyndns.org I've attached it to redeemer.homelinux.com as a test. I then tried our modem router GUI again and the numbers are slowly starting to make sense. So I had a go at the IP route table adding the second 2 entries you see (ip-address-route2.gif): 10.0.0.1/32 61.9.218.104/32 10.0.0.138 61.9.218.104/32 10.0.0.1/32 10.0.0.138 (which way is correct?) All the other entries on the table were already there, I didn't add them. I also went to the NAT settings (napt-settings.gif) and changed the unspecified Outside IP to the static IP. Below are the webmin network interface details... Interfaces Active Now Name Type IP Address Netmask Status eth0 Ethernet 192.168.0.254 255.255.255.0 Up eth1 Ethernet 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 Up lo Loopback 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 Up And also after reading what Les wrote: "That is, if your k12ltsp server or clients on the inside network resolve the site name to the public address and send the packet to the router, it probably won't NAT it back the same way as if it came from the outside." ... Does this mean that I might get the intranet accessible from the outside the school but not know about it unless I actually was outside? http://61.9.218.104/ still doesn't go to http://10.0.0.1/ I have now tried it from outside (at home) and the broswer says connection refused. Any pointers as to what to try now? Thanks, Debbie ps - as a newbie I'm not sure if sending images to the list is an OK thing to do, so please let me know either way. -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ip-address-route2.gif Type: image/gif Size: 10638 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would LOVE to have the ability to change windows passwords from my LTSP terminals. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sat Feb 26 17:03:56 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:03:56 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same login as K12LTSP Message-ID: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> A little background: Here in New Zealand I have been using K12LTSP on recycled computers for about six months now and it is great. I am using an AMD 2500XP desktop with 1MB RAM and 120GB SATA HD as the server. We have a small school of 50 (but growing). So far we have had 8 clients running, but we are looking at having up to 20 clients (5 per classroom). Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to get some essential windows apps(e.g. Macromedia Director based multimedia CDs distributed by our Ministry of Education, and some educational software) running using it. I would have liked to run everything from one server to simplify administration, but I haven't managed to work that out yet. I tried using crossover office, unsuccessfully. I have considered Windows Server 2003 (we get it for almost nothing as a school), but I am not sure if the sound works properly using rdesktop and LTSP. I am also considering Win4Lin, but I have not had time to test it yet. Once again it is sound (and shockwave) that are the key issues. If anyone has any experience using any of these solutions I would appreciate you comments. As an immediate solution, I decided to put one windows XP workstation in each classroom. It seems like the easiest solution, as we have the school inspectors coming in a month's time, and as a teacher I don't have much time to work on computer systems right now. ********************* Specific task at hand: I would like the kids to be able to log on to Windows XP machines with the same password as the one they use for K12LTSP. The "my documents" folder would be set to their home directory on K12LTSP. In this way they will be saving all their files to the same place. (I do not want any files saved on the local hard drive of the windows computer.) Issues: 1. How do I set up user accounts for both WinXP and K12LTSP without having to manually enter them twice? 2. When I map the homes directory using Samba, will all the .directories be visible. If so how do I hide them? (When I accessed my home directory from my WinXP laptop I had this problem but I think it is because the file manager is set to "Show hidden files." 4. Will I need to use roaming profiles to map the "my documents" share? 3. Will I have to set up the network as a domain now, or will it still be okay to use a workgroup as it is now? Which is better for this purpose? Notes: 1. I am running K12LTSP with only one NIC. It seems to make samba easier to use. I had a lot of problems trying to get it to work properly when I was using 2 NICs. All the computers at the school are on the same subnet. 2. I also have 4 teachers laptops and 1 office desktop. These computers would save most of their work locally, but shared files would be on the server. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sat Feb 26 17:04:34 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:04:34 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro Message-ID: <20050226170432.SZVG22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> A little background: As mentioned in a recent email I need to install WinXP pro on 5 computers at our school. Each machine has identical hardware. ********************* Specific task at hand: I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus and other essential programs on one computer, then copy the image of the hard drive to the other machine. Options: 1.Use Norton ghost, copy image to network share then use recovery disk to access image from network. (Preferred solution, because it will be easier to reinstall in future using this way.) 2. Take out the disk and use dd if= of= under linux (CDbased distribution, or put both HDs into another machine) to make a direct copy of the disk. Notes: 1. I know that for the computer to work on the network properly the netbios name and SID needs to be changed after the image has been copied. Any suggestions or tips? From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Feb 26 17:48:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:48:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same login as=?ISO-8859-1?Q? K12LTSP?= In-Reply-To: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: You need Samba/LDAP....you can run it on your existing K12LTSP server or better yet...set up a second server solely for housing the users and their data...read about it and get the smbldap-installer here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/smbldap/ Your situation is perfect for this.... One username/password...one home directory...regardless of platform.... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 12:03 PM +0000 wrote: >A little background: > >Here in New Zealand I have been using K12LTSP on recycled computers for >about six months now and it is great. I am using an AMD 2500XP desktop >with >1MB RAM and 120GB SATA HD as the server. We have a small school of 50 (but >growing). So far we have had 8 clients running, but we are looking at >having >up to 20 clients (5 per classroom). > >Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to get some essential windows >apps(e.g. Macromedia Director based multimedia CDs distributed by our >Ministry of Education, and some educational software) running using it. > >I would have liked to run everything from one server to simplify >administration, but I haven't managed to work that out yet. I tried using >crossover office, unsuccessfully. I have considered Windows Server 2003 >(we >get it for almost nothing as a school), but I am not sure if the sound >works >properly using rdesktop and LTSP. >I am also considering Win4Lin, but I have not had time to test it yet. >Once >again it is sound (and shockwave) that are the key issues. If anyone has >any >experience using any of these solutions I would appreciate you comments. > >As an immediate solution, I decided to put one windows XP workstation in >each classroom. It seems like the easiest solution, as we have the school >inspectors coming in a month's time, and as a teacher I don't have much >time >to work on computer systems right now. > >********************* >Specific task at hand: > >I would like the kids to be able to log on to Windows XP machines with the >same password as the one they use for K12LTSP. The "my documents" folder >would be set to their home directory on K12LTSP. In this way they will be >saving all their files to the same place. (I do not want any files saved >on >the local hard drive of the windows computer.) > >Issues: >1. How do I set up user accounts for both WinXP and K12LTSP without having >to manually enter them twice? >2. When I map the homes directory using Samba, will all the .directories >be >visible. If so how do I hide them? (When I accessed my home directory from >my WinXP laptop I had this problem but I think it is because the file >manager is set to "Show hidden files." >4. Will I need to use roaming profiles to map the "my documents" share? >3. Will I have to set up the network as a domain now, or will it still be >okay to use a workgroup as it is now? Which is better for this purpose? > >Notes: >1. I am running K12LTSP with only one NIC. It seems to make samba easier >to >use. I had a lot of problems trying to get it to work properly when I was >using 2 NICs. All the computers at the school are on the same subnet. >2. I also have 4 teachers laptops and 1 office desktop. These computers >would save most of their work locally, but shared files would be on the >server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haynest at mchsi.com Sat Feb 26 17:55:44 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:55:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <20050226170432.SZVG22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <200502261829.j1QITHmk028067@mx3.redhat.com> > Specific task at hand: > > I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus > and other essential programs on one computer, then copy the > image of the hard drive to the other machine. > > Options: > 1.Use Norton ghost, copy image to network share then use > recovery disk to access image from network. (Preferred > solution, because it will be easier to reinstall in future > using this way.) 2. Take out the disk and use dd if= of= > under linux (CDbased distribution, or put both HDs into > another machine) to make a direct copy of the disk. > > Notes: > 1. I know that for the computer to work on the network > properly the netbios name and SID needs to be changed after > the image has been copied. Try sysprep http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/pfdocs/1999050308324125 Disclaimer... I got out of Windows administration in 2000 and all my ghosting experience was with win '98. The guys here at school have talked about sysprep and the laptop images, but I have no persoanl expperience with it. Regards... Tom From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sat Feb 26 20:28:16 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:28:16 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same login as K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <4220DBE0.70304@tclcommunications.co.nz> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >A little background: > >Here in New Zealand I have been using K12LTSP on recycled computers for >about six months now and it is great. I am using an AMD 2500XP desktop with >1MB RAM and 120GB SATA HD as the server. We have a small school of 50 (but >growing). So far we have had 8 clients running, but we are looking at having >up to 20 clients (5 per classroom). > >Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to get some essential windows >apps(e.g. Macromedia Director based multimedia CDs distributed by our >Ministry of Education, and some educational software) running using it. > >I would have liked to run everything from one server to simplify >administration, but I haven't managed to work that out yet. I tried using >crossover office, unsuccessfully. I have considered Windows Server 2003 (we >get it for almost nothing as a school), but I am not sure if the sound works >properly using rdesktop and LTSP. >I am also considering Win4Lin, but I have not had time to test it yet. Once >again it is sound (and shockwave) that are the key issues. If anyone has any >experience using any of these solutions I would appreciate you comments. > >As an immediate solution, I decided to put one windows XP workstation in >each classroom. It seems like the easiest solution, as we have the school >inspectors coming in a month's time, and as a teacher I don't have much time >to work on computer systems right now. > >********************* >Specific task at hand: > >I would like the kids to be able to log on to Windows XP machines with the >same password as the one they use for K12LTSP. The "my documents" folder >would be set to their home directory on K12LTSP. In this way they will be >saving all their files to the same place. (I do not want any files saved on >the local hard drive of the windows computer.) > >Issues: >1. How do I set up user accounts for both WinXP and K12LTSP without having >to manually enter them twice? >2. When I map the homes directory using Samba, will all the .directories be >visible. If so how do I hide them? (When I accessed my home directory from >my WinXP laptop I had this problem but I think it is because the file >manager is set to "Show hidden files." >4. Will I need to use roaming profiles to map the "my documents" share? >3. Will I have to set up the network as a domain now, or will it still be >okay to use a workgroup as it is now? Which is better for this purpose? > >Notes: >1. I am running K12LTSP with only one NIC. It seems to make samba easier to >use. I had a lot of problems trying to get it to work properly when I was >using 2 NICs. All the computers at the school are on the same subnet. >2. I also have 4 teachers laptops and 1 office desktop. These computers >would save most of their work locally, but shared files would be on the >server. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I note the NZ govmt growing trend to make it madatory for all schools to implement MS products for teaching and administration, It's done deals with MS and its aligned ISP monopoly Telecom to enforce 'nanny state' propaganda. From clay at bridgeportisd.net Sat Feb 26 22:31:38 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:31:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4D2CA3A@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Sysprep is your best bet but if I recall, you have to have a volume licensed CD to install XP because of the registration issues. And with MS's new "checks" for pirated software, you may have issues updating the imaged machines. Good luck. Clay ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Thomas E. Haynes Sent: Sat 2/26/2005 11:55 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro > Specific task at hand: > > I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus > and other essential programs on one computer, then copy the > image of the hard drive to the other machine. > > Options: > 1.Use Norton ghost, copy image to network share then use > recovery disk to access image from network. (Preferred > solution, because it will be easier to reinstall in future > using this way.) 2. Take out the disk and use dd if= of= > under linux (CDbased distribution, or put both HDs into > another machine) to make a direct copy of the disk. > > Notes: > 1. I know that for the computer to work on the network > properly the netbios name and SID needs to be changed after > the image has been copied. Try sysprep http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/pfdocs/1999050308324125 Disclaimer... I got out of Windows administration in 2000 and all my ghosting experience was with win '98. The guys here at school have talked about sysprep and the laptop images, but I have no persoanl expperience with it. Regards... Tom _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure many people here may come forward to help you and share the experience but is that not stretching their generosity too far? Here you buy commercial software and then seek community help for something your commercial vendor should be supporting. Sorry for the outburst but I have started seeing too many posts on win here. dd would work fine. -- Sudev Barar From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sat Feb 26 23:23:34 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:23:34 +1300 Subject: [RANT] Re: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <1109458759.6644.4.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <20050226170432.SZVG22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <1109458759.6644.4.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <422104F6.40702@tclcommunications.co.nz> Sudev Barar wrote: >On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 06:04 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > >>A little background: >> >>As mentioned in a recent email I need to install WinXP pro on 5 computers at >>our school. Each machine has identical hardware. >> >>********************* >>Specific task at hand: >> >>I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus and other >>essential programs on one computer, then copy the image of the hard drive to >>the other machine. >> >> You right and wrong... the NZ govmt is forcing everone to MS by _giving_ them MS stuff and picking up the Tab..now checking hows its implemneted and holding schools to account for this... So there is no level playing field where each alternative to computer education has no cost... which is wrong... Now everyone is asking for Exchange, MSSQL to support this desktop crap? everyone is being insideous trapped here in NZ with the Govmt blessing. Krsnendu looked and found the best solution but I can see he is being rounded up by user, teacher govmnt expectations... >Not putting too fine a point here but is this win help desk? Sure many >people here may come forward to help you and share the experience but is >that not stretching their generosity too far? Here you buy commercial >software and then seek community help for something your commercial >vendor should be supporting. > >Sorry for the outburst but I have started seeing too many posts on win >here. dd would work fine. > > > From ybjones at one.net Sun Feb 27 00:47:01 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:47:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4D2CA3A@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Message-ID: <20050227003739.MRFV13848.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> > Sysprep is your best bet but if I recall, you have to have a > volume licensed CD to install XP because of the registration > issues. And with MS's new "checks" for pirated software, you > may have issues updating the imaged machines. A VL is NOT required to use Sysprep. It is a tool for system builders as well as VL deployment. Do not activate the system before running Sysprep. Also, I have found that some managed antivirus software (Trend-Micro specifically) does not like to be preinstalled before a ghost. Just push it out from the server afterward. Also, Norton's newer personal AV software requires activation as well so a preintall may require special steps. Make sure you are using the latest Sysprep version that works with SP2. After running sysprep and the system shuts down, ghost the drive. When the system comes back up you will be asked to enter the computer name, CD-Key etc. You can create answer files but that gets more involved and I think it is too far off topic in this group (this is definitely stretching it if not too over the line). You would not need ghost either. If the drives are the same then dd or g4u (http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/g4u/) should work also. -Yancey From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Feb 27 03:09:27 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Samba/Win2k Problem Message-ID: <422139E7.4040601@snarlnet.com> I'm having the wierdest problem trying to access my Linux (k12ltsp 4.2 and 4.1) samba shares from my win2k workstation. I'm pretty sure the problem is on the win2k end but I have no idea how to resolve it. Has anyone run into this? I have the samba shares mapped as G and H drives. I have reconnect at logon checked. When I start up win2k it tries to connect but gives me a "incorrect user name or password" error box. I type in the user name/password and I connect just fine. I've reset the "connect as different user" thing a thousand times and it never fixes this. The second problem is that once I get the H and G drive mounted I can only access them through programs. If I do a "save as" in a program I can save a file to the server, or I can right click in the window and create a new file or folder, but I can't drag and drop anything into directories on the server. This is really bizarre and driving me up the wall. Has anyone seen these symptoms before? Any help would be appreciated, including a steer towards a more appropriate forum. ck From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Feb 27 03:17:14 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:17:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT-Samba/Win2k Problem Message-ID: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> Nevermind, I think I may have found the culprit: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-008.mspx?pf=true Has anyone else had a problem with this patch? How does one update samba? yum update samba? smb? ck ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm having the wierdest problem trying to access my Linux (k12ltsp 4.2 and 4.1) samba shares from my win2k workstation. I'm pretty sure the problem is on the win2k end but I have no idea how to resolve it. Has anyone run into this? I have the samba shares mapped as G and H drives. I have reconnect at logon checked. When I start up win2k it tries to connect but gives me a "incorrect user name or password" error box. I type in the user name/password and I connect just fine. I've reset the "connect as different user" thing a thousand times and it never fixes this. The second problem is that once I get the H and G drive mounted I can only access them through programs. If I do a "save as" in a program I can save a file to the server, or I can right click in the window and create a new file or folder, but I can't drag and drop anything into directories on the server. This is really bizarre and driving me up the wall. Has anyone seen these symptoms before? Any help would be appreciated, including a steer towards a more appropriate forum. ck From samps at unplugd.com Sun Feb 27 03:36:45 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:06:45 +1030 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Samba/Win2k Problem In-Reply-To: <422139E7.4040601@snarlnet.com> References: <422139E7.4040601@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4221404D.8080205@unplugd.com> Carl Keil wrote: I have reconnect at logon checked. When I start up win2k it > tries to connect but gives me a "incorrect user name or password" error > box. I think your problem might lie between the lines above... When you tick the 'Reconnect at logon', Windows will use the credentials of the user that put the tick to map the drives... and if you're not that user then you have entered the wrong credentials... Try again without ticking that checkbox and disconnect the Windows drives as you log off. cheers Samps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Feb 27 05:08:51 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:38:51 +0530 Subject: [RANT] Re: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <422104F6.40702@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: <20050226170432.SZVG22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <1109458759.6644.4.camel@roop.ltsp> <422104F6.40702@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <1109480931.24121.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 04:53, Paul Satherley wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > > >On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 06:04 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > >>A little background: > >> > >>As mentioned in a recent email I need to install WinXP pro on 5 computers at > >>our school. Each machine has identical hardware. > >> > >>********************* > >>Specific task at hand: > >> > >>I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus and other > >>essential programs on one computer, then copy the image of the hard drive to > >>the other machine. > >> > >> > You right and wrong... the NZ govmt is forcing everone to MS by _giving_ > them MS stuff and picking up the Tab..now > checking hows its implemneted and holding schools to account for this... > So there is no level playing field where each alternative to computer > education has no cost... > which is wrong... Now everyone is asking for Exchange, MSSQL to support > this desktop crap? > everyone is being insideous trapped here in NZ with the Govmt blessing. I know and appreciate K's zeal ( have seen lots of his posts) and trying to find the best solution but it is he ( and others in NZ ) who will have to put pressure on the commercial support and either get it or demonstrate to NZ government what a lemon has been sold to them. As a principle is asking OSS list to support what is commercially to be delivered correct? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Feb 27 05:56:35 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:56:35 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro Message-ID: <200502270556.j1R5uk5m013180@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> A little background: As mentioned in a recent email I need to install WinXP pro on 5 computers at our school. Each machine has identical hardware. ********************* Specific task at hand: I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus and other essential programs on one computer, then copy the image of the hard drive to the other machine. Options: 1.Use Norton ghost, copy image to network share then use recovery disk to access image from network. (Preferred solution, because it will be easier to reinstall in future using this way.) 2. Take out the disk and use dd if= of= under linux (CDbased distribution, or put both HDs into another machine) to make a direct copy of the disk. Notes: 1. I know that for the computer to work on the network properly the netbios name and SID needs to be changed after the image has been copied. Any suggestions or tips? From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Feb 27 05:57:17 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:57:17 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same loginas K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502270557.j1R5vSLR014178@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I am having problems installing smb ldap. I have run the program (smbldap.pl) it said it couldn't find some rpms and failed initially. I found the rpms in the smbldap-installer/rpms directory. After installing the rpms everything seemed to go ok until the end. (I noticed it said something about entering root password when prompted. I was never prompted. After the install failed the first time I entered root password manually using smbpasswd -a root) Here is the log file: - Gathering system information... Checking for perl-HTML-Tagset-3.03-30.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for binutils-2.15.90.0.3-5.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for openldap-servers-2.2.13-2.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for openldap-clients-2.2.13-2.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.92-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Digest-SHA1-2.07-5.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-HTML-Parser-3.35-6.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-XML-SAX-0.12-7.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for cpp-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for glibc-devel-2.3.*i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-LDAP-0.31-5.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.08-6.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for glibc-headers-2.3.*.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-URI-1.30-4.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for gcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-libwww-perl-5.79-5.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for glibc-kernheaders-2.4-9.1.87.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for samba-common-3.0.*.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for samba-3.0.*.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-3.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm...already installed! Checking for perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...already installed! Backing up "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" at "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema" at "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smbusers" at "/etc/samba/smbusers-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" at "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/ldap.conf" at "/etc/ldap.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smb.conf" at "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Restarting the ldap service... Setting ldap service to start during system boot...Success! Setting the manager smbpasswd... Grabbing local SID...success! Backing up "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" at "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema" at "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smbusers" at "/etc/samba/smbusers-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" at "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf" at "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.ba k" Backing up "/etc/ldap.conf" at "/etc/ldap.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf" at "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smb.conf" at "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Running smbldap-populate...success. I need you to help me set root's Samba password. You will use 'root' and this password to you join Windows machines to your domain. Please type the password when prompted, and REMEMBER IT! Restarting the smb service... Setting smb service to start during system boot...Success! Restarting the nscd service... Setting nscd service to start during system boot...Success! Creating the /opt/samba/profiles directory... Setting permissions for /opt/samba/profiles... Creating the /opt/samba/netlogon directory... Creating sample startup.bat file... Backing up "/opt/samba/netlogon/startup.bat" at "/opt/samba/netlogon/startup.bat-Sun_Feb_27_18_34_19_2005.bak" Munging /opt/samba/netlogon/startup.bat to DOS format... Running authconfig...failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. This script has appended its output to /root/My Downloads/smbldap-installer/smb-ldap.log. You can check that file for additional error messages. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Feb 27 05:57:28 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:57:28 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <422104F6.40702@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <200502270558.j1R5wOT4010337@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> I have a Compaq deskpro EP with i810 onboard graphics (4mb) When I try connecting with LTSP I get the message "Less than 6MB AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed." What can I do to get around this? From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Feb 27 06:27:55 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:27:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT-Samba/Win2k Problem In-Reply-To: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> References: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4221686B.3070506@snarlnet.com> Thanks a lot. That solved it. (I coulda sworn I've always done it with the check box.) Carl Keil wrote: > Nevermind, I think I may have found the culprit: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-008.mspx?pf=true > Has anyone else had a problem with this patch? > How does one update samba? yum update samba? smb? > > ck > I think your problem might lie between the lines above... When you tick the 'Reconnect at logon', Windows will use the credentials of the user that put the tick to map the drives... and if you're not that user then you have entered the wrong credentials... Try again without ticking that checkbox and disconnect the Windows drives as you log off. cheers Samps From cablemonkey42 at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 08:02:21 2005 From: cablemonkey42 at gmail.com (Daniel Hogan) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:02:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <200502270556.j1R5uk5m013180@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200502270556.j1R5uk5m013180@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: If all the harddrives are the same, you can use UDPCast. Website: http://udpcast.linux.lu/ On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:56:35 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > A little background: > > As mentioned in a recent email I need to install WinXP pro on 5 computers at > our school. Each machine has identical hardware. > > ********************* > Specific task at hand: > > I would like to install WindowsXP incl. updates, antivirus and other > essential programs on one computer, then copy the image of the hard drive to > the other machine. > > Options: > 1.Use Norton ghost, copy image to network share then use recovery disk to > access image from network. (Preferred solution, because it will be easier to > reinstall in future using this way.) > 2. Take out the disk and use dd if= of= under linux (CDbased distribution, > or put both HDs into another machine) to make a direct copy of the disk. > > Notes: > 1. I know that for the computer to work on the network properly the netbios > name and SID needs to be changed after the image has been copied. > > Any suggestions or tips? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Feb 27 10:22:51 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:22:51 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Have static IP - now how to setup intranet access? -Fixed In-Reply-To: <421FF67F.5060803@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1109228455.421d7ba79f135@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <421DF727.2000109@maltzen.net> <1109297095.421e87c7bed79@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1109303740.15656.3.camel@server.ltsp> <421FF67F.5060803@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <42219F7B.2030403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> It was the ports! A contact down in Canberra said to change the port that the router was listening on from 80 to 8080. So in my NAT settings I've made the inside address the server 10.0.0.1:8080 and outside address is the stat IP address + 8080... It didn't work at school (don't know why but we can get it anyway via 10.0.0.1), and now I'm at home and IT WORKS!!! I can see our school intranet from home! We're going to have a happy buncha teachers tomorrow. Debbie Schiel wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 07:34, Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, Thanks for the info, I'm beginning to piece together >>> what I need to >>> do, but a lot is still fuzzy as I'm not familiar with the technical >>> terms & >>> jargon. So here is a whole heap of info and a graphic to illustrate >>> our setup >>> at school. >>> >> >> >>> From your diagram it seems that K12 box is already setup properly as it >> >> is using eth1 to work with router and gateway. So outward traffic is not >> a problem. >> >> >>> MODEM/ROUTER ----------------------- >> >> >> Here you have to set up NAT. >> >> You have to do IP:port pairing for all services that wish to allow >> inwards. Petres previous post is the guide here. >> >> HTH > > Hi again > > I tried out dyndns.org last night from home as suggested by Petre Scheie > and it all worked ok from my laptop via a dialup modem. So I'm trying > the same thing with the static IP here at school, but of course the > setup is not the same as home. > > Our static IP is 61.9.218.104 and using dyndns.org I've attached it to > redeemer.homelinux.com as a test. > > I then tried our modem router GUI again and the numbers are slowly > starting to make sense. So I had a go at the IP route table adding the > second 2 entries you see (ip-address-route2.gif): > 10.0.0.1/32 61.9.218.104/32 10.0.0.138 > 61.9.218.104/32 10.0.0.1/32 10.0.0.138 > (which way is correct?) > All the other entries on the table were already there, I didn't add them. > > I also went to the NAT settings (napt-settings.gif) and changed the > unspecified Outside IP to the static IP. > > Below are the webmin network interface details... > > Interfaces Active Now > Name Type IP Address Netmask Status > eth0 Ethernet 192.168.0.254 > 255.255.255.0 Up > eth1 Ethernet 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 Up > lo Loopback 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 Up > > And also after reading what Les wrote: > "That is, if your k12ltsp server or > clients on the inside network resolve the site name to the public > address and send the packet to the router, it probably won't NAT it back > the same way as if it came from the outside." > > ... Does this mean that I might get the intranet accessible from the > outside the school but not know about it unless I actually was outside? > http://61.9.218.104/ still doesn't go to http://10.0.0.1/ I have now > tried it from outside (at home) and the broswer says connection refused. > > Any pointers as to what to try now? > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > ps - as a newbie I'm not sure if sending images to the list is an OK > thing to do, so please let me know either way. > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sun Feb 27 20:29:46 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:29:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: i810 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <20050227170012.2D59C73B1D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050227170012.2D59C73B1D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42222DBA.5070104@riverdale.k12.or.us> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:57:28 +1300 > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > Subject: [K12OSN] i810 graphics problem > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > Message-ID: <200502270558.j1R5wOT4010337 at dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have a Compaq deskpro EP with i810 onboard graphics (4mb) > When I try connecting with LTSP I get the message > > "Less than 6MB AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed." > > What can I do to get around this? Try putting more memory in the client. Those motherboards share video memory with the onboard RAM module. I've found that they will not boot with 32mb but will do just fine with 64megs. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Feb 27 22:22:34 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:22:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing using disk image WinXP pro In-Reply-To: References: <200502270556.j1R5uk5m013180@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <78e636b1ddeed3b49e97898251005a1e@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 27, 2005, at 2:02 AM, Daniel Hogan wrote: > If all the harddrives are the same, you can use UDPCast. > > Website: > http://udpcast.linux.lu/ > Then just run the "newsid" program on them before you connect them to your network. http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/newsid.shtml -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIiSCoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSnbgCffFbWMf3/1IVPGIPq8glN14vL AEgAnipRfbrQeG9eWHyEEEGdNlgV1Ovd =Q/Dm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Feb 27 22:23:23 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:23:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <200502270558.j1R5wOT4010337@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200502270558.j1R5wOT4010337@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <8461d333fbbd4628743b8c4f30370621@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lower your resolution or color depth that you are trying to run at. On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have a Compaq deskpro EP with i810 onboard graphics (4mb) > When I try connecting with LTSP I get the message > > "Less than 6MB AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed." > > What can I do to get around this? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEUEARECAAYFAkIiSFsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRpXACYnzBaXx47PoVPTSTqpHJw5td7 XgCfayMUXz2P2/wVHsbVNxvVkMjc8K8= =U28z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Feb 28 00:50:54 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:50:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same login as K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <1109551854.8209.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 06:03 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: >Issues: >1. How do I set up user accounts for both WinXP and K12LTSP without having >to manually enter them twice? As David mentioned, domain logons w/ samba will do this. Also, you could look at pGina (http://pgina.xpasystems.com) and its associated plugins (LDAP, PAM, etc.) Its GPL'ed. >2. When I map the homes directory using Samba, will all the .directories be >visible. If so how do I hide them? (When I accessed my home directory from >my WinXP laptop I had this problem but I think it is because the file >manager is set to "Show hidden files." I think the Samba parameter is "hide dot files = yes" or something like that. >4. Will I need to use roaming profiles to map the "my documents" share? You don't _have_ to. I just change the default user profile to point My Documents to H: or whatever maps to home. Just right-click on My Docs, and put in the correct path. >3. Will I have to set up the network as a domain now, or will it still be >okay to use a workgroup as it is now? Which is better for this purpose? Domain logins are more seamless, but pGina and some jiggering w/ the default user profile doesn't work to badly. >Notes: >1. I am running K12LTSP with only one NIC. It seems to make samba easier to >use. I had a lot of problems trying to get it to work properly when I was >using 2 NICs. All the computers at the school are on the same subnet. Samba should let you specify which network addresses it will use. I haven't had problems using samba on dual-homed K12LTSP servers. -- Dan Young From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Feb 28 09:18:03 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:18:03 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using same login asK12LTSP References: <20050226170355.STFZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <1109551854.8209.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <026901c51d76$67b8adf0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> >> 4. Will I need to use roaming profiles to map the "my documents" >> share? > > You don't _have_ to. I just change the default user profile to point > My Documents to H: or whatever maps to home. Just right-click on My > Docs, and put in the correct path. > I use a login script using kixstart (http://www.kixtart.org/) that alters loads of things like IE Home page, location of My Documents as the user logs in. If you'd like a copy of the script and reg entries let me know. Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Feb 28 09:46:13 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:46:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill User processes on log-off In-Reply-To: <421CA52C.7040301@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <20050223151118.92839.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <421CA52C.7040301@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1109583972.3976.45.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 16:45, Brandon Kovach wrote: > It's my understanding that there are issues in Linux with being logged > in as the same user in multiple instances. Is this not correct? Linux itself don't care, do a number of user-programs have troubles with it, so it depends on what you are doing, and the design og the programs. Mozzilla and OpenOffice have problems with multible logins, but not programs don't care. > There are howtos on the k12 page about how to disallow multiple > instances of the same login. I set those up here at my school and > things are much smoother now. We had problems with users losing the In principle each user should have their own login, but that's not always possible. In those cases you have to go on a compromise with some of the security-features and/or what programs your users can use. -- Henning Wangerin From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Feb 28 12:20:42 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:20:42 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Latest smbldap-installer script available...version 1.2 References: Message-ID: <02b601c51d8f$ec1ed6a0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> David Trask wrote: > The latest smbldap-installer script (version 1.2) is now up on my site > (Matt and I tested it at a presentation today) :-) > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > Fixes include the roaming profiles, /bin/bash default...and some new > added features...check it out! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Is it possible to preset the SID when using the script ? I'm trying to setup a new Samba3 / LDAP system that I'll be able to just simply swap in without having to rejoin all the machine to the domain. Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Feb 28 14:16:12 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:16:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Repo Conflicts Message-ID: <1109600172.6560.6.camel@phoenix.media.local> Here's an entry off Dag's site about the conflict issue. Basically, fedora.us & livna.org don't play nice w/ Dag, FreshRPMS, Dries, NewRPMS, and PlanetCCRMA RPM repositories (Those listed repositories do play nice with each other). http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#D Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Feb 28 14:19:30 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:19:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote locking of terminal screens Message-ID: <1109600370.6560.9.camel@phoenix.media.local> Has anyone figured out how to remotely lock the screens of specific terminals (I currently kick specific applications or kick an entire group of kids off, but I would rather in some cases just keep locking the screen so they can't do anything at the moment but pay attention). 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Dennis Henry Burroughs wrote: > Has anyone figured out how to remotely lock the screens of specific > terminals (I currently kick specific applications or kick an entire > group of kids off, but I would rather in some cases just keep locking > the screen so they can't do anything at the moment but pay attention). > > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 28 16:09:50 2005 From: aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us (Aaron Leininger) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:09:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <003301c51b5f$4256b930$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <20050228161134.C6586172B1@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> I've made standard distro's authenticate to netware 4 in the past using the command line netware packages... Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burt Carter > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:27 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication > > I am in the process of setting up the novell authentication > now for a test network. I am not sure that authentication > with a Netware 4 box will work, you may need to upgrade to 6 > or 6.5. The howto's that have been posted here have been > very helpful and all in all it has been pretty easy. The > only problem I have right now is mounting user directories. > > Burt Carter > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication > > We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new > school and > > it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. > > We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. > > I've been watching and reading about the netware > authentication and it's > > exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. > > So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how > best to get our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware > server? I am not so sure > > that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that > will work well, but ... > > BK > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it > may contain legally privileged and confidential information > intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, > copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone > (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message > and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Mon Feb 28 16:34:27 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:34:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <20050228161134.C6586172B1@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> References: <20050228161134.C6586172B1@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42234813.90401@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I can do that too, but I don't think I can ask the average user to weed through my notes in order to get their home directories. On second thought, I don't think I want students having any of my notes! :) Aaron Leininger wrote: >I've made standard distro's authenticate to netware 4 in the past using the >command line netware packages... > >Aaron > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burt Carter >>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:27 AM >>To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication >> >>I am in the process of setting up the novell authentication >>now for a test network. I am not sure that authentication >>with a Netware 4 box will work, you may need to upgrade to 6 >>or 6.5. The howto's that have been posted here have been >>very helpful and all in all it has been pretty easy. The >>only problem I have right now is mounting user directories. >> >>Burt Carter >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach >>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:54 AM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication >> >>We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new >>school and >> >>it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. >> >>We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. >> >>I've been watching and reading about the netware >>authentication and it's >> >>exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. >> >>So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how >>best to get our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware >>server? I am not so sure >> >>that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that >>will work well, but ... >> >>BK >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it >>may contain legally privileged and confidential information >>intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader >>of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, >>copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is >>strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in >>error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone >>(478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message >>and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Feb 28 16:40:08 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:40:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More on terminal screen locking.... need help w/ xauth (what's up with /tmp/.gdm*) Message-ID: <1109608808.6560.20.camel@phoenix.media.local> I'm close. I've figured out how to control the screens via root and doing a: su - $USER -c "DISPLAY= xscreensaver-command -lock" However, it depends on the user having a CURRENT .Xauthority file in their home directory. However, the authority information is being stored and used in a file in /tmp (/tmp/.gdm* files) according to "xauth info". Does anyone know why it is being created there? I can copy the /tmp/.gdm?????? file corresponding to that user's authority file, and can achieve a screensaver lock (or start any other program on their display) via above, however logging the user out and back in does not make it use the new .Xauthority file (so it wouldnt' work on a different workstation). I think I'm pretty close to getting a partial solution. I'm trying to figure out xauth to some extent so I can avoid "xhost" at all costs. I'll be sure to post to the wiki my solution. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Feb 28 16:45:52 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:45:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas References: <003001c51daa$b3f57160$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001b01c51db4$fa978540$0100a8c0@Marian> Try those lines written directly in terminal window: A. this line will write all users having current quotas more than limits [root at ...]# repquota -a | awk '/+/' B. First set template user for quotas folder: example: [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 1000 5000 /home [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 1000 5000 /tmp [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 1000 5000 /var C This line will repeat all quotas from user "templeuser" to all other users with ID greater then 500 [root at ...]# edquota -p templeuser `awk -F: '$3>500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd` check for correct apostrophes. I hope it helps you. Regards Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas > Does anyone know how to modify and entire list of user quotas? > Currently my students are set at a 200MB hard limit and staff at a 500MB > hard limit. I want to change this to a 200MB soft limit and 500MB soft > limit respectively. Then set everyones hard limit to the soft limit + > 1GB. Now some of my staff have custom settings because they have > requested them. I would like to have a script or something that checked > current hard quotas, set soft quotas with the same limit, then reset > hard quotas to the soft limit + 1GB. > > Is this possible? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1010 (20050227) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Feb 28 16:57:12 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:57:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] win4lin Message-ID: <004b01c51db6$8c10c5d0$21690a0a@TechOffice> Has anyone had success with running win4lin on their ltsp servers? Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Mon Feb 28 17:33:37 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:33:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] More on terminal screen locking.... need help w/ xauth (what's up with /tmp/.gdm*) In-Reply-To: <1109608808.6560.20.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <1109608808.6560.20.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <1109612017.4411.31.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 11:40 -0500, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I'm close. I've figured out how to control the screens via root and > doing a: > > su - $USER -c "DISPLAY= xscreensaver-command -lock" > > However, it depends on the user having a CURRENT .Xauthority file in > their home directory. However, the authority information is being > stored and used in a file in /tmp (/tmp/.gdm* files) according to "xauth > info". Does anyone know why it is being created there? I can copy the > /tmp/.gdm?????? file corresponding to that user's authority file, and > can achieve a screensaver lock (or start any other program on their > display) via above, however logging the user out and back in does not > make it use the new .Xauthority file (so it wouldnt' work on a different > workstation). GDM stores the users Xauthority file in tmp to avoid writing things in home directories for a number of reasons, not the least of which is security (think unencrypted network home directories). There are a number of ways to work around this if you are either root or the user who owns the display. The easiest is to simply look for the pid of the xscreensaver instance running as the target user and use /proc//environ to determine the xauth file to use. That file is a NULL-separated list of environment variables in use by the process. Locking a specific display or only a specific user both require roughly the same code, so I'll just include an shell script for locking all displays (where an xscreensaver process is running): ========================= CUT HERE ============================= #!/bin/sh for pid in $(/sbin/pidof xscreensaver); do # do user name tests on /proc/${pid}/ for process ownership # if [ "$(stat -c '%U')" = "$USER" ]; then ... env $(tr '\000' '\n' < /proc/${pid}/environ | \ egrep '^(DISPLAY|XAUTHORITY)=' | \ tr '\n' ' ') \ xscreensaver-command -lock done ========================= CUT HERE ============================= The above sets up an ugly pipeline for extracting only the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY lines from /proc/${pid}/environ by converting nulls into line feeds, grepping for lines beginning with DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY converting line feeds into spaces and passing the result to the 'env' command to execute 'xscreenaver-command -lock' in the correct environment. Note that the above fails if XAUTHORITY isn't set and you aren't running as the user (XAUTHORITY defaults to $HOME/.Xauthority if unset). It also assumes that neither DISPLAY nor XAUTHORITY have any embedded spaces. With those caveats, enjoy. > I think I'm pretty close to getting a partial solution. I'm trying to > figure out xauth to some extent so I can avoid "xhost" at all costs. > I'll be sure to post to the wiki my solution. > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Burt Carter wrote: > Has anyone had success with running win4lin on their ltsp servers? > > > > Burt Carter > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Feb 28 17:53:37 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 06:53:37 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <20050225211237.GQ21817@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502281753.j1SHr9b0017969@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Very basic linux script question I am trying to install smbldap When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username I get command not found message. It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and type #./ldap-useradd -m username How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? From sbetts at msad71.net Mon Feb 28 18:13:14 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:13:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Hi Petre, I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your questions below. In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc. >It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) >1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. >2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server. >3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. >4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win >server. >5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). Sure > > >I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. >As to the >first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but >probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull >this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running >Active Directory on the Windows server? Yes, running Active Directory. >Or are the Windows clients just >using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows >server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows >server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care >about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have >tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server >(anyone?), but I haven't. > >With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they >each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer >which is then connected to the network? Both. > In either case, defining the >printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or >webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as >it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the Windows >server. > >#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems to >me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that >called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. > >So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, >where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle the >user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to >maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we >can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then >dovetail into #2. HTH. Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP. > > Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 28 18:32:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <200502281753.j1SHr9b0017969@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> References: <200502281753.j1SHr9b0017969@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 12:53 PM +0000 wrote: >Very basic linux script question > >I am trying to install smbldap > >When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username >I get command not found message. > >It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and >type #./ldap-useradd -m username > >How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? Are you using the smbldap-installer script? If not, you should....makes life a LOT easier. Get it and the how-to here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 28 18:32:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <200502281753.j1SHr9b0017969@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> References: <200502281753.j1SHr9b0017969@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 12:53 PM +0000 wrote: >Very basic linux script question > >I am trying to install smbldap > >When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username >I get command not found message. > >It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and >type #./ldap-useradd -m username > >How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? Are you using the smbldap-installer script? If not, you should....makes life a LOT easier. Get it and the how-to here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Feb 28 18:21:27 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:21:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] failure to mount Netware volume Message-ID: <005b01c51dc2$5192e710$21690a0a@TechOffice> I am having trouble getting my LTSP machine to mount the user's home directory after authentication. This is really holding me up and I cannot continue until I get this resolved. I am getting the following message when I tail /var/log/secure /var/log/secure --------------------------------- [root at RHN ncpfs-2.2.4]# tail /var/log/secure Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: running as student "/usr/local/bin/ncpmount -U .student.HSMS.BOE - S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUDENT -o symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /home/s tudent/nwhome" Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount finished with error 51 Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: user .student.HSMS.BOE had trouble mounting HSMS-HOME/USER on /hom e/student/nwhome Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: DONE writing to /home/student/.nwclient Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: saving user_info Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: final PAM retval 0 Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: APPLYING ZF 2101 Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: writing a new /home/student/.nwinfos file Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: done writing /home/student/.nwinfos Feb 28 13:33:59 RHN xinetd[1951]: START: sgi_fam pid=2854 from= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- /ETC/PAM.D/SYSTEM-AUTH FILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- [root at RHN pam.d]# cat system-auth #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok #auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=10.10.100.17:ou=HSMS.o=BOE -d -L -u2000,4000,p,gcds -g2000,4000,pn -A auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=10.10.100.17:ou=HSMS.o=BOE -A -d -L -u2000,4000,p,gcds -g2000,4000,pn auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional pam_ncp_auth.so Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 28 18:35:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:35:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Latest smbldap-installer script available...version 1.2 Message-ID: <200502281734.j1SHYal11973@downeast.net> can you use net setlocalsid to advantage? i know ith my script it would be trivial to do this..chuck > David Trask wrote: > > The latest smbldap-installer script (version 1.2) is now up on my site > > (Matt and I tested it at a presentation today) :-) > > > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > > > Fixes include the roaming profiles, /bin/bash default...and some new > > added features...check it out! > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Is it possible to preset the SID when using the script ? > > I'm trying to setup a new Samba3 / LDAP system that I'll be able to just > simply swap in without having to rejoin all the machine to the domain. > > Thanks > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Feb 28 18:42:50 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:42:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT-Samba/Win2k Problem In-Reply-To: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> References: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4223662A.8050308@snarlnet.com> I tried the trick of not "ticking off the box:" that says "reconnect at logon" and guess what? My drives don't reconnect at logon, so I have to do it manually every time. How do I get the G and H drives to reconnect at logon, but as a different user that what I'm logged in as? Any ideas? Thanks, ck Carl Keil wrote: > Nevermind, I think I may have found the culprit: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-008.mspx?pf=true > Has anyone else had a problem with this patch? > How does one update samba? yum update samba? smb? > > ck > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I'm having the wierdest problem trying to access my Linux (k12ltsp 4.2 > and 4.1) samba shares from my win2k workstation. I'm pretty sure the > problem is on the win2k end but I have no idea how to resolve it. > > Has anyone run into this? I have the samba shares mapped as G and H > drives. I have reconnect at logon checked. When I start up win2k it > tries to connect but gives me a "incorrect user name or password" error > box. I type in the user name/password and I connect just fine. I've > reset the "connect as different user" thing a thousand times and it > never fixes this. The second problem is that once I get the H and G > drive mounted I can only access them through programs. If I do a "save > as" in a program I can save a file to the server, or I can right click > in the window and create a new file or folder, but I can't drag and drop > anything into directories on the server. This is really bizarre and > driving me up the wall. Has anyone seen these symptoms before? > > Any help would be appreciated, including a steer towards a more > appropriate forum. > > ck > > > From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Feb 28 18:57:45 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:57:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More on terminal screen locking.... need help w/xauth (what's up with /tmp/.gdm*) Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FD0@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Thanks Shahms! This looks like the code I want. Now I'm going to make 1 program (to execute a given program on the user's screen...which of course, xscreensaver-command is a program). Thanks! No xhosts use! Henry -----Original Message----- From: Shahms King [mailto:shahms at shahms.com] Sent: Mon 2/28/2005 12:33 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] More on terminal screen locking.... need help w/xauth (what's up with /tmp/.gdm*) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2799 bytes Desc: not available URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Feb 28 19:19:33 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:19:33 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502281919.j1SJJ4ov016314@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Yes I am using the script (Please see my other post. [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using sameloginas K12LTSP) and following the instructions from step 18. The problem from the other text was the the script didn't wait for the root smb password and authconfig failed. I did the root smb password manually and when I ran authconfig using gui no problems. So far everything else is going pretty well. The steps are straightforward and logical. Thanks. It is just the ldap-commands part that is a bit annoying. I have worked out how to keep going to the next steps, but it would be easier if the commands could run from any directory. When I get to the part that says getent passwd | grep root Everything works fine. But when I type in #ldap-useradd -m -a username I get the message command not found. It seems that the script has not set up these commands from any directory only from the directory in which they live. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 7:32 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 12:53 PM +0000 wrote: >Very basic linux script question > >I am trying to install smbldap > >When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username >I get command not found message. > >It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and >type #./ldap-useradd -m username > >How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? Are you using the smbldap-installer script? If not, you should....makes life a LOT easier. Get it and the how-to here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Mon Feb 28 19:24:11 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:24:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Run script from any directory (Krsnendu dasa) In-Reply-To: <20050228183736.24AB073A58@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050228183736.24AB073A58@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050228192411.GE6703@localhost.localdomain> > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory > Very basic linux script question > > I am trying to install smbldap > > When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username > I get command not found message. > > It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and > type #./ldap-useradd -m username > > How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? This is a basic question that applies the same way to any command line shell - Unix, Linux, DOS. Your "path" environment variable determines which directories are searched for commands you type on the command line. smbldap-tools version 0.8.6.* puts all its executables in /opt/IDEALX/sbin/, so you need to add that to your user's PATH setting if you don't want to do either of these every time you run one of those scripts: $ cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ $ ./smbldap-useradd blahblahblah OR $ /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd blahblahblah To view your current PATH setting: $ echo $PATH To TEMPORARILY change your path setting to include the smbldap-tools directory: $ export PATH="$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin" To "permanently" change your path setting to include the smbldap-tools directory, you'll need to edit your shell configuration files. First check your .bash_profile, and then take a look at .bashrc. (It's a very good idea to know what's in these in any case. 'man bash' for more details.) Then add this line to your config: export PATH="$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin" That should do it. 'man bash' documents the PATH setting. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Feb 28 19:30:00 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:30:00 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <200502281919.j1SJJ4ov016314@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: <200502281929.j1SJTW4A025059@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> I just noticed in these texts I said I tried to run the program #ldap-useradd -m -a username This is a typo in the message. I was actually typing the correct name of the program. #smbldap-useradd -m -a username -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Krsnendu dasa Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 8:20 a.m. To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory Yes I am using the script (Please see my other post. [K12OSN] Logging into windows XP machines using sameloginas K12LTSP) and following the instructions from step 18. The problem from the other text was the the script didn't wait for the root smb password and authconfig failed. I did the root smb password manually and when I ran authconfig using gui no problems. So far everything else is going pretty well. The steps are straightforward and logical. Thanks. It is just the ldap-commands part that is a bit annoying. I have worked out how to keep going to the next steps, but it would be easier if the commands could run from any directory. When I get to the part that says getent passwd | grep root Everything works fine. But when I type in #ldap-useradd -m -a username I get the message command not found. It seems that the script has not set up these commands from any directory only from the directory in which they live. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 7:32 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 12:53 PM +0000 wrote: >Very basic linux script question > >I am trying to install smbldap > >When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username >I get command not found message. > >It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and >type #./ldap-useradd -m username > >How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? Are you using the smbldap-installer script? If not, you should....makes life a LOT easier. Get it and the how-to here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Feb 28 19:31:23 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:31:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Run script from any directory (Krsnendu dasa) In-Reply-To: <20050228192411.GE6703@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502281931.j1SJVOX6025154@dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz> Thank you very much. Will be very useful in future. Cheers, Krsnendu dasa -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 8:24 a.m. To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Run script from any directory (Krsnendu dasa) > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory > Very basic linux script question > > I am trying to install smbldap > > When I try to run ldap-useradd -m username > I get command not found message. > > It only works when I change to the directory where these scripts live and > type #./ldap-useradd -m username > > How can I change it so I can run it from any directory? This is a basic question that applies the same way to any command line shell - Unix, Linux, DOS. Your "path" environment variable determines which directories are searched for commands you type on the command line. smbldap-tools version 0.8.6.* puts all its executables in /opt/IDEALX/sbin/, so you need to add that to your user's PATH setting if you don't want to do either of these every time you run one of those scripts: $ cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ $ ./smbldap-useradd blahblahblah OR $ /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd blahblahblah To view your current PATH setting: $ echo $PATH To TEMPORARILY change your path setting to include the smbldap-tools directory: $ export PATH="$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin" To "permanently" change your path setting to include the smbldap-tools directory, you'll need to edit your shell configuration files. First check your .bash_profile, and then take a look at .bashrc. (It's a very good idea to know what's in these in any case. 'man bash' for more details.) Then add this line to your config: export PATH="$PATH:/opt/IDEALX/sbin" That should do it. 'man bash' documents the PATH setting. --matt From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 28 19:34:20 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:34:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, StarOffice, etc.--to the Windows clients, but from a central server so you don't have to install them on each individual Windows client machine? Or do you also want to setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually exclusive, but they're different problems/projects (both of which should be fun). Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former is your first priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows clients you'll need to 1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for authentication when a client connects. Have a look at David Trask's smbldap installer script. There has been much discussion of it in the past few weeks. I think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I don't think that should be a show stopper. 2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. OR 2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and have the users launch that to connect to the Linux app server. This route doesn't provide the click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that may be possible with 2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make sure your Linux box is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because now it will have to support a whole desktop environment for each user rather than just an application or two. Anyone have any alternative suggestions? Petre Sharon Betts wrote: > Hi Petre, > I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your > questions below. > In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing > windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc. > > >>It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) >>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. >>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server. >>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. >>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win >>server. >>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). > > Sure > >> >>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. > > Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. > > >>As to the >>first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but >>probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull >>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running >>Active Directory on the Windows server? > > Yes, running Active Directory. > > >>Or are the Windows clients just >>using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows >>server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows >>server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care >>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have >>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server >>(anyone?), but I haven't. >> >>With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they >>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer >>which is then connected to the network? > > Both. > > >>In either case, defining the >>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or >>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as >>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the Windows >>server. >> >>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems to >>me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that >>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. >> >>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, >>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle the >>user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to >>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we >>can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then >>dovetail into #2. HTH. > > > > Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP. > >> > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 28 19:52:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <200502281929.j1SJTW4A025059@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> References: <200502281929.j1SJTW4A025059@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:30 PM +0000 wrote: >ldap-useradd -m -a username Oh...piece of cake....the executables are now in /opt/IDEALX/sbin to execute type something like ./smbldap-useradd for example David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 28 19:52:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory In-Reply-To: <200502281929.j1SJTW4A025059@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> References: <200502281929.j1SJTW4A025059@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:30 PM +0000 wrote: >ldap-useradd -m -a username Oh...piece of cake....the executables are now in /opt/IDEALX/sbin to execute type something like ./smbldap-useradd for example David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 28 19:54:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:54:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More on terminal screen locking.... need help w/xauth=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =28what's_?= up In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FD0@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FD0@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 1:57 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks Shahms! This looks like the code I want. Now I'm going to make 1 >program (to execute a given program on the user's screen...which of >course, xscreensaver-command is a program). Thanks! No xhosts use! > > >Henry Please share the end result with a quick how-to so the rest of us can try it :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 28 20:28:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:28:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas In-Reply-To: <001b01c51db4$fa978540$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <008b01c51dd4$05dd5230$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 1000 5000 /home Could you break down for me quickly what each value is for? I am guessing they are as follows 200000 Block Limit Soft 500000 Block Limit Hard 1000 File Limit Soft 5000 File Limit Hard I currently don't use file limits, I let that stay unlimited as long as they are withing their block limit. Is there a reason not to do this? I also only currently run quota on /home. So if I want to set everyone to 200000 Block Limit Soft and 1200000 Block Limit Hard I would do the following: [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 /home [root at ...]# edquota -p templeuser `awk -F: '$3>500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd` Then I just need to manually change my staff? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Feb 28 20:53:03 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:53:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT-Samba/Win2k Problem In-Reply-To: <4223662A.8050308@snarlnet.com> References: <42213BBA.6030502@snarlnet.com> <4223662A.8050308@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Use startup script? (ie. logon.bat) On Feb 28, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > I tried the trick of not "ticking off the box:" that says "reconnect > at logon" and guess what? My drives don't reconnect at logon, so I > have to do it manually every time. How do I get the G and H drives to > reconnect at logon, but as a different user that what I'm logged in > as? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > ck > > > Carl Keil wrote: > >> Nevermind, I think I may have found the culprit: >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-008.mspx? >> pf=true >> Has anyone else had a problem with this patch? >> How does one update samba? yum update samba? smb? >> >> ck >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> I'm having the wierdest problem trying to access my Linux (k12ltsp 4.2 >> and 4.1) samba shares from my win2k workstation. I'm pretty sure the >> problem is on the win2k end but I have no idea how to resolve it. >> >> Has anyone run into this? I have the samba shares mapped as G and H >> drives. I have reconnect at logon checked. When I start up win2k it >> tries to connect but gives me a "incorrect user name or password" >> error >> box. I type in the user name/password and I connect just fine. I've >> reset the "connect as different user" thing a thousand times and it >> never fixes this. The second problem is that once I get the H and G >> drive mounted I can only access them through programs. If I do a >> "save >> as" in a program I can save a file to the server, or I can right click >> in the window and create a new file or folder, but I can't drag and >> drop >> anything into directories on the server. This is really bizarre and >> driving me up the wall. Has anyone seen these symptoms before? >> >> Any help would be appreciated, including a steer towards a more >> appropriate forum. >> >> ck >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIjhK8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRMtgCfc3FTdE7qEdQ6d7PyUImPJGTS t3cAnjXpkFhm1xMZzEmJaqf+ZNLzPeox =cqD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Feb 28 20:57:34 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:57:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas References: <008b01c51dd4$05dd5230$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000401c51dd8$20d5ef80$0100a8c0@Marian> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas > > [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 1000 5000 /home > > Could you break down for me quickly what each value is for? I am > guessing they are as follows > > 200000 Block Limit Soft > 500000 Block Limit Hard > 1000 File Limit Soft > 5000 File Limit Hard Yes it is correct. > > I currently don't use file limits, I let that stay unlimited as long as > they are withing their block limit. Is there a reason not to do this? > I also only currently run quota on /home. So if I want to set everyone > to 200000 Block Limit Soft and 1200000 Block Limit Hard I would do the > following: > > [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 500000 /home Yes it is OK. You needn't use file limits. [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 1200000 /home > [root at ...]# edquota -p templeuser `awk -F: '$3>500 {print $1}' > /etc/passwd` > > Then I just need to manually change my staff? [root at ...]# edquota -p templeuser `awk -F: '$3>500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd` This formula will replicate automaticaly quota of templeuser for all users with their ID>500. If you change the value for example to '$3>1340' , quota will be change for all users with ID higher then 1340 as you need. List of the users is taken from /etc/passwd file. ID of the users you can see in SYSTEM SETTINGS->USERS AND GROUPS. Check and try for several /for example last 3 users/ how does it work. Bye. Marian > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1010 (20050227) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From scott at hosef.org Mon Feb 28 21:03:18 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:03:18 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Lots of Linux at eSchool in Hawaii Message-ID: <42238716.8030105@hosef.org> I am giving the following 5 presentations during our eSchool conference in Hawaii the next few days. If you sat in one of these, what would you be disappointed not to see me cover. In other words, if there is a biggy that jumps out at you under any of these topics, please let me know. I hate slides, but they must be done. Tuesday 10:30-11:30 Using Linux and OSS as a Career Pathway for Hawai'i's High School Graduates 1:30-2:30 How To Setup Your Own Linux Lab in One Hour 3:00-4:00 Internet Cafe and Learn About the Linux Environment Wednesday March 2, 2005 10:00-11:00 Linux and K-12 Standards Compliant Education: A Look at the Applications for Students and Teachers 11:30-12:30 Linux Lab Management for Teachers The conference site is here http://econference.k12.hi.us/conf2005/presentation.htm Aloha and Mahalo --scott From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Feb 28 21:05:44 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:05:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas References: <008b01c51dd4$05dd5230$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000901c51dd9$45023b10$0100a8c0@Marian> Sorry, more suited will be [root at ...]# setquota -u templeuser 200000 1200000 0 0 /home The difference is setting also files limit to 0. See manual [root at ...]# man setquota From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 28 21:11:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:11:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify User Quotas In-Reply-To: <000401c51dd8$20d5ef80$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <008c01c51dda$07221f80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Check and try for several /for example last 3 users/ how > does it work. Bye. Marian Thanks for your help. All done. Now I have all my soft and hard quotas set with a system in place to email users when they exceed their soft quota and a grace period set for 5 days as long as they don't exceed their hard quota. This is awesome. Sure will save on some extra tech calls. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 28 21:16:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:16:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Run script from any directory Message-ID: <200502282014.j1SKEkl05005@downeast.net> Really might want to move to 0.8.7..eecuatables are then in /usr/sbin.. And i found much more biddable to use..chuck one thing i still am missing is auto creation of homedir on linux box..Ahve any idea how that works,,or nmaybe Matt knowa..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:30 PM +0000 wrote: > >ldap-useradd -m -a username > > Oh...piece of cake....the executables are now in > > /opt/IDEALX/sbin > > to execute type something like ./smbldap-useradd for example > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 21:27:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:27:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo 1.1.4 upgrade issue Message-ID: Terrell had a post describing how to upgrade OOo without removing the older version. ----------snip------------------------ "Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of .sversionrc and tweaked /usr/bin/ooffice. Here are the files post-editing. I included the original /usr/bin/ooffice as "ooffice.bak" for those who want to diff against the original (recommended). Terrell Prude', Jr. ---------end-snip------------------ The mods are to ooffice and .sversionrc. I can edit ooffice with these mods #OOVERSION=1.0.2 OOVERSIONRC="$HOME/.sversionrc" #OOHOME="$HOME/.openoffice" OOVERSION=1.1.0 OOHOME="$HOME/OpenOffice.org1.1.4" .sversionrc should be ---------------- [Versions] OpenOffice.org 1.0.2=file:///home/terrell/.openoffice OpenOffice.org 1.1.0=file:///home/terrell/OpenOffice.org1.1.4 -------------- how would I add this extra line to all existing users .sversionrc files? I could just delete all .sversionrc and it would be re-created when the users ran OOo but it would not have the first line. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Feb 28 21:42:26 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:42:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] failure to mount Netware volume In-Reply-To: <005b01c51dc2$5192e710$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <005b01c51dc2$5192e710$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <42239042.10806@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbetts at msad71.net Mon Feb 28 22:33:10 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:33:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > < > < > < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> < > <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:34 PM +0000 wrote: >Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, StarOffice, etc.--to the >Windows clients, but from a central server so you don't have to install >them on each individual Windows client machine? Or do you also want to >setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually exclusive, but they're >different problems/projects (both of which should be fun). Both -- I presently have both windows fat and linux slim (flash booted) clients. They are all using the Windows terminal server now for apps. I want to add a linux box to server Gimp, StarOFfice etc. > >Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former is your first >priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows clients you'll need to > >1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for authentication when a >client connects. Have a look at David Trask's smbldap installer >script. There has been much discussion of it in the past few weeks. I >think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I don't think that >should be a show stopper. > >2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you >to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to >install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few >bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the >actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to >the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically >connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have >to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to >automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an >interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. > >OR > >2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and have the users launch >that to connect to the Linux app server. This route doesn't provide the >click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that may be possible with >2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make sure your Linux box >is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because now it will have to >support a whole desktop environment for each user rather than just an >application or two. > >Anyone have any alternative suggestions? > >Petre > >Sharon Betts wrote: >> Hi Petre, >> I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your >> questions below. >> In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing >> windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc. >> >> >>>It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) >>>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. >>>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server. >>>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. >>>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win >>>server. >>>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). >> >> Sure >> >>> >>>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. >> >> Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. >> >> >>>As to the >>>first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but >>>probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull >>>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running >>>Active Directory on the Windows server? >> >> Yes, running Active Directory. >> >> >>>Or are the Windows clients just >>>using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows >>>server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows >>>server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care >>>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have >>>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server >>>(anyone?), but I haven't. >>> >>>With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they >>>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer >>>which is then connected to the network? >> >> Both. >> >> >>>In either case, defining the >>>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or >>>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as >>>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the >Windows >>>server. >>> >>>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems >to >>>me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that >>>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. >>> >>>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, >>>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle >the >>>user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to >>>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we >>>can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then >>>dovetail into #2. HTH. >> >> >> >> Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP. >> >>> >> Sharon >> MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >> sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >> "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >> Robert Orben >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From awoehler at woehler.us Mon Feb 28 23:32:58 2005 From: awoehler at woehler.us (Aaron Woehler) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:32:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] failure to mount Netware volume In-Reply-To: <005b01c51dc2$5192e710$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <005b01c51dc2$5192e710$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <4223AA2A.50708@woehler.us> Make sure that you have the correct permissions for ncpmount I believe they should be 700. I had a similiar problem and had to dig through the source files to get the message for the error which I believe was the same as yours. I used the following website as my guide to get it running. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm Aaron Burt Carter wrote: > I am having trouble getting my LTSP machine to mount the user?s home > directory after authentication. > > This is really holding me up and I cannot continue until I get this > resolved. I am getting the following message when I tail /var/log/secure > > /var/log/secure > > --------------------------------- > > [root at RHN ncpfs-2.2.4]# tail /var/log/secure > > Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: running as student > "/usr/local/bin/ncpmount -U .student.HSMS.BOE - > > S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUDENT -o > symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /home/s > > tudent/nwhome" > > Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount > finished with error 51 > From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Feb 28 23:55:27 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:55:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] failure to mount Netware volume Message-ID: <200502281855.AA886112466@mail.jchs.com> On what directory does the permissions need to be 700? THe user has full rights to their home directories on the novell server. I am pretty sure the permissions on the /home/ direcotry are already 700 by default. thanks, Burt ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aaron Woehler Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:32:58 -0700 >Make sure that you have the correct permissions for ncpmount I believe >they should be 700. >I had a similiar problem and had to dig through the source files to get >the message for the error which I believe was the same as yours. > >I used the following website as my guide to get it running. >http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm > >Aaron > >Burt Carter wrote: > >> I am having trouble getting my LTSP machine to mount the user?s home >> directory after authentication. >> >> This is really holding me up and I cannot continue until I get this >> resolved. I am getting the following message when I tail /var/log/secure >> >> /var/log/secure >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> [root at RHN ncpfs-2.2.4]# tail /var/log/secure >> >> Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: running as student >> "/usr/local/bin/ncpmount -U .student.HSMS.BOE - >> >> S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUDENT -o >> symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /home/s >> >> tudent/nwhome" >> >> Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount >> finished with error 51 >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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