From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 01:41:05 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:11:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with iptables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a2050630184159fbc98d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/05, Jeff Nelson wrote: > We've been having some problems with iptables on our K12LTSP system. It > doesn't save the firewall, even with "service iptables save," so when the > server is rebooted or if anyone does "service network restart," the iptables > rules are somehow flushed and we have to run the firewall script again > manually. Is the service iptables set to eun every time? Right now I am on an Ubuntu box so cannot trace the command but man for something like "chkconfig". The command is something like "chkconfig --level 35 iptables" Alternatively run "setup" as root and in services enable the iptables as service. This will make it run at boot time. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 02:07:31 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:07:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server configs Message-ID: <69b790a80506301907db49c41@mail.gmail.com> anybody ever run across a system to help maintain config files for multiple servers? I have a setup where some of the files will be pretty much the same, it would be handy to have one place to make changes, then push out the changes to the servers. From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 02:22:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:22:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: <1120164421.4726.22.camel@krs> References: <1120164421.4726.22.camel@krs> Message-ID: On 6/30/05, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > You need speed on a Linux terminal server, so RAID 1 would be a better > choice (IMO). Since you're losing space by moving to RAID 1, move up to > 73 GB drives. Use LVM to partition the drives, and you'll be able to > move partitions around easily, as needed. > RAID 1 is not faster than a single drive at writing. Maybe reading but not writing. Plus there is a performance hit on the cpu. I also have 2 scsi drives and I use one for / and the other for /home. The depth of your TCQ on scsi drives is usually 32 but when you use RAID it is lowered to (I think) 8. Therebye relying more so on the OS to do the ordering of reads and writes. Also upgrading your home is easier. Plus I find restores easier if I'm not using a RAID setup. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From m3freak at rogers.com Fri Jul 1 03:32:39 2005 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:32:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: References: <1120164421.4726.22.camel@krs> Message-ID: <1120188759.4726.31.camel@krs> On Thu, 2005-30-06 at 19:22 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > RAID 1 is not faster than a single drive at writing. Maybe reading but > not writing. Plus there is a performance hit on the cpu. I also have > 2 scsi drives and I use one for / and the other for /home. The depth > of your TCQ on scsi drives is usually 32 but when you use RAID it is > lowered to (I think) 8. Therebye relying more so on the OS to do the > ordering of reads and writes. Also upgrading your home is easier. Plus > I find restores easier if I'm not using a RAID setup. Perhaps, but in the context of a Linux X server, redundancy is a necessity, and RAID 1 will be faster than RAID 5. That's not to say RAID 5 can't be used, because we've done that for our customers. However, taking into consideration the OP's situation, RAID 1 would give a performance boost, and most probably save him money, at the same time. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From trond at mahlum.biz Fri Jul 1 07:12:30 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:12:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc on k12ltsp-4.4.0 beta3 ??? In-Reply-To: <42C4599E.4010605@maltzen.net> References: <42C45791.90104@paalalinn.com> <42C4599E.4010605@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1120201950.7758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Take a look at the file /etc/xinetd.d/vncts, And change all the disable = yes to disable = no. Then do a /etc/init.d/xinetd restart. I think that was all I did to make it work again.. Regards Trond Maehlum tor, 30,.06.2005 kl. 15.44 -0500, skrev Petre Scheie: > What happens if you run vncviwer on the server and try to connect to localhost? In > other words, take the network out of the equation. > > Petre > > Olle Niit wrote: > > Bug or something else? > > > > Even if firewall is turned off and vncserver runs, vncviewer still > > complains that connection refused. > > And I can't fix it. > > > > There is exact dialog: > > > > [olle at olle ~]$ vncviewer server > > > > VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Apr 27 2005 02:25:46 > > Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd. > > See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. > > > > Thu Jun 30 23:27:55 2005 > > main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) > > > > Olle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Jul 1 10:24:55 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:24:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] server configs In-Reply-To: <69b790a80506301907db49c41@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80506301907db49c41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507011024.55945.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 01 July 2005 02:07, Roger wrote: > anybody ever run across a system to help maintain config files for > multiple servers? > I have a setup where some of the files will be pretty much the same, > it would be handy to have one place to make changes, then push out the > changes to the servers. Some time ago I wrote the following script to cope with dhcpd.conf and lts.conf. Most of the contents of these files are the same, with one or two lines specific to each server. The idea of this script is that one server is designated the "master" and said script is run on the master. The script makes a copy of the master file, edits the copy (making changes appropiate for the target server) and then ftp's it to the target. We don't actually use this script, so it is largely unproven (although it is tested). You run it by passing a list of hosts, eg sync_host bart homer marge -- start cut -- #!/bin/bash #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# # @(#) sync_host v1.00 - 22/11/03 (c) 2003 Handsworth Grammar School # # Author: Martin Woolley (Handsworth Grammar School) # # Written: 28/11/03 # # Reason: To ensure certain files remain in sync between main servers # #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# # # lisa is deemed to be the master host; others sync to this # files synced :- # /etc/hosts # /etc/dhcpd.conf # /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf # # additional input files :- # common.hosts - the first few lines of a host file # make..lts.conf - patch file to create lts.conf from # the "master" lts.conf held on lisa # make..dhcpd.conf - patch file to create dhcpd.conf from # the "master" dhcpd.conf held on lisa PROG=$0 VERS="1.00 - 28/11/03" SRCDIR="/home/martin" # location of files used MASTER="lisa" # master machine MHOSTS="/etc/hosts" # location of master hosts MDHCPD="/etc/dhcpd.conf" # location of master dhcpd.conf MLTSCONF="/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" # location of master lts.conf ROOTPASS="your_root_password" # root password for all m/c's WRKDIR="/tmp" # all processing occurs here WRKDIR="/home/martin/tmp" ### DEBUG WRKFILE="${WRKDIR}/$$" # workfile WRKFIL1="${WRKDIR}/a$$" # workfile ht=$(tput ht) # tab function print_usage { # display usage and exit # echo "Usage: ${PROG} [-s ] host1 host2 ..." echo echo "Where: -s sync the hosts" exit 1 } function print_vers { # display version number and exit # more < 0) { if ( $2 == HOST ) { IPADDR=$1 } if ( $1 == "127.0.0.1" && $2 == "HOSTNAME" ) { printf("%s\t%s", $1, HOST) for (i = 3; i <= NF; i++) { printf("\t%s", $i) } printf "\n" } else if ($2 == "server.ltsp" && $3 == "server") { printf("%s", IPADDR) for (i = 2; i <= NF; i++) { printf("\t%s", $i) } printf "\n" } else print $0 } # build host specific section FLG=0 PATN="# MARKER " HOST IFILE=MASTER ".hosts" while (( getline < IFILE ) > 0) { if ( $0 ~ PATN ) { FLG=1 } else if ( $0 ~ "# MARKER" ) { FLG=0 } if (FLG == 1) { print $0 } } }' > $1.hosts } function build_dhcpd.conf { # build a dhcpd.conf file for specific host # input args - HOST=hostname to build # output file HOST.dhcpd.conf # cp ${MASTER}.dhcpd.conf $1.dhcpd.conf patch -e $1.dhcpd.conf ${SRCDIR}/make.$1.dhcpd.conf } function build_lts.conf { # build a lts.conf file for specific host # input args - HOST=hostname to build # output file HOST.lts.conf # cp ${MASTER}.lts.conf $1.lts.conf patch -e $1.lts.conf ${SRCDIR}/make.$1.lts.conf } function get_orig_files { # get original hosts, dhcpd.conf, lts.conf from specific host (not MASTER) # # build sftp script rm -f ${WRKFILE} >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "get /etc/hosts $1.hosts.orig" >> ${WRKFILE} echo "get /etc/dhcpd.conf $1.dhcpd.conf.orig" >> ${WRKFILE} echo "get /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf $1.lts.conf.orig" >> ${WRKFILE} #build expect script (which calls sftp script) rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "#!/bin/bash" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect -c 'spawn sftp -b ${WRKFILE} $1 ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect {" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " timeout { exit 1 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " eof { exit 0 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n ' "Connect*root@*password" { send "' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n "${ROOTPASS}\\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo 'r" }' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "} ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 2' >/dev/null 2>&1" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if (( \$? != 0 )) ; then exit \$?; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if [[ ! -f $1.hosts.orig ]] ; then exit 3; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if [[ ! -f $1.dhcpd.conf.orig ]] ; then exit 3; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if [[ ! -f $1.lts.conf.orig ]] ; then exit 3; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 0" >> ${WRKFIL1} chmod +x ${WRKFIL1} $(${WRKFIL1}) oops=$? rm -f ${WRKFILE} >/dev/null 2>&1 rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 return $oops } function rpt_diffs { # report any differences between constructed files and obtained (original) files # diff -q $1.hosts.orig $1.hosts if [[ $? != 0 ]] ; then diff $1.hosts.orig $1.hosts fi diff -q $1.dhcpd.conf.orig $1.dhcpd.conf if [[ $? != 0 ]] ; then diff $1.dhcpd.conf.orig $1.dhcpd.conf fi diff -q $1.lts.conf.orig $1.lts.conf if [[ $? != 0 ]] ; then diff $1.lts.conf.orig $1.lts.conf fi } function sync_files { # put constructed hosts, dhcpd.conf, lts.conf to specific host (not MASTER) # echo "syncing files" # build sftp script rm -f ${WRKFILE} >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "put $1.hosts /etc/hosts" >> ${WRKFILE} echo "put $1.dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf" >> ${WRKFILE} echo "put $1.lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" >> ${WRKFILE} #build expect script (which calls sftp script) rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "#!/bin/bash" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect -c 'spawn sftp -b ${WRKFILE} $1 ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect {" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " timeout { exit 1 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " eof { exit 0 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n ' "Connect*root@*password" { send "' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n "${ROOTPASS}\\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo 'r" }' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "} ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 2' >/dev/null 2>&1" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if (( \$? != 0 )) ; then exit \$?; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 0" >> ${WRKFIL1} chmod +x ${WRKFIL1} $(${WRKFIL1}) oops=$? rm -f ${WRKFILE} >/dev/null 2>&1 rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 return $oops } function restart_dhcpd { # restart the dhcpd service on a specific host (not MASTER) # echo "restarting dhcpd" #build expect script rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "#!/bin/bash" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect -c 'eval spawn ssh $1 service dhcpd restart ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect {" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " timeout { exit 1 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo " eof { exit 0 }" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n ' "root@*password" { send "' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo -n "${ROOTPASS}\\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo 'r" }' >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "} ; \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "expect \\" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 2'" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "if (( \$? != 0 )) ; then exit \$?; fi" >> ${WRKFIL1} echo "exit 0" >> ${WRKFIL1} chmod +x ${WRKFIL1} $(${WRKFIL1}) oops=$? echo ">>>$oops<<<" ##rm -f ${WRKFIL1} >/dev/null 2>&1 return $oops } # mainline TMP=$(hostname) if [[ ${TMP} != "${MASTER}" ]] ; then echo "${PROG} must only be run on host '${MASTER}'" print_usage fi if [[ ! -d ${SRCDIR} ]] ; then echo "${PROG}: ${SRCDIR}: No such file or directory" print_usage fi if [[ ! -d ${WRKDIR} ]] ; then echo "${PROG}: ${WRKDIR}: No such file or directory" print_usage fi # validate runtime options SYNC=0 # dont sync by default while getopts ":sv" OPT ; do case $OPT in s) SYNC=1 ;; v) print_vers ;; *) print_usage ;; esac done shift $(($OPTIND - 1)) if [[ -z $* ]] ; then # no hosts entered print_usage fi cd ${WRKDIR} # change to work directory setup_master # copy master files into work if (( $? != 0 )) ; then print_usage fi for HOST in "$@" ; do # process each host echo echo "Processing host = $HOST" test_host ${HOST} if (( $? != 0 )) ; then continue fi build_hosts ${HOST} build_dhcpd.conf ${HOST} build_lts.conf ${HOST} get_orig_files ${HOST} oops=$? if (( $oops != 0 )) ; then echo "Error: non-zero return code get_orig_files ($oops)" continue fi rpt_diffs ${HOST} if (( ${SYNC} )) ; then sync_files ${HOST} oops=$? if (( $oops != 0 )) ; then echo "Error: non-zero return code sync_files ($oops)" continue fi restart_dhcpd ${HOST} oops=$? if (( $oops != 0 )) ; then ## echo "Error: non-zero return code restart_dhcpd ($oops)" continue fi fi done exit 0 -- end cut -- this script requires two files per host, eg make.bart.dhcpd.conf -- start cut -- 39c option log-servers 10.121.128.4; . 24c option log-servers 10.121.128.4; . 18c -- end cut -- make.bart.lts.conf -- start cut -- 8c SERVER = 10.121.128.4 . -- end cut -- these files are made with diff any probs that this script causes is nothing to do with me, ie YMMV -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 09:55:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: <20050630190107.5499.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050701095514.18733.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does the cost of the thin clients have to come out of that budget, too? --- Chris Thomas wrote: So consider the cost of > new > network equipment too. > > Chris > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 1 12:47:27 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:47:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] corrupt partition table Message-ID: <42C53B5F.3010009@maltzen.net> The power went out yesterday, and so my server went down. When the power came back on, the server tried to boot, but failed apparently because the partition table got corrupted--it just spits out a 'Insert boot disk' error. I booted from Knoppix and it was during that bootup that I saw the message about the partition table being bad. Once Knoppix is up, it doesn't show any hard drive partitions on its desktop, so that pretty much confirms it. Is there any way to deal with a trashed partition table? I figure I'll have to reformat and re-install, which is okay--a reason to upgrade from the K12LTSP version 3.1.2 that was on there. But there are a few files I'd like to retrieve beforehand if possible. Complicating the situation is that it was using LVM, although I'm not certain it was used for the root partition; unfortunately, I can't remember how it was layed out. But I think using LVM changes the way partitions are handled. Are there any tools for dealing with crippled LVM systems? Petre From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 13:41:02 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] corrupt partition table In-Reply-To: <42C53B5F.3010009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050701134103.63766.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> knoppix comes with gpart, but I don't know if it handles LVM. A friend of mine had to use it once (not on LVM) and he said it worked perfectly. -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > The power went out yesterday, and so my server went > down. When the power came back on, > the server tried to boot, but failed apparently > because the partition table got > corrupted--it just spits out a 'Insert boot disk' > error. I booted from Knoppix and it > was during that bootup that I saw the message about > the partition table being bad. Once > Knoppix is up, it doesn't show any hard drive > partitions on its desktop, so that pretty > much confirms it. Is there any way to deal with a > trashed partition table? I figure > I'll have to reformat and re-install, which is > okay--a reason to upgrade from the > K12LTSP version 3.1.2 that was on there. But there > are a few files I'd like to retrieve > beforehand if possible. Complicating the situation > is that it was using LVM, although > I'm not certain it was used for the root partition; > unfortunately, I can't remember how > it was layed out. But I think using LVM changes the > way partitions are handled. Are > there any tools for dealing with crippled LVM > systems? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Jul 1 13:35:42 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:35:42 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc on k12ltsp-4.4.0 beta3 ??? In-Reply-To: <1120201950.7758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42C45791.90104@paalalinn.com> <42C4599E.4010605@maltzen.net> <1120201950.7758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42C546AE.4020404@paalalinn.com> It's OK now. /etc/xinetd.d/vncts did the trick. I could not find this file myself. And FC3 was vncserver enabled default. So I needed it first time now. Thanks, Olle Trond M?hlum wrote: >Take a look at the file /etc/xinetd.d/vncts, And change all the disable >= yes to disable = no. Then do a /etc/init.d/xinetd restart. I think >that was all I did to make it work again.. > >Regards >Trond Maehlum > >tor, 30,.06.2005 kl. 15.44 -0500, skrev Petre Scheie: > > >>What happens if you run vncviwer on the server and try to connect to localhost? In >>other words, take the network out of the equation. >> >>Petre >> >>Olle Niit wrote: >> >> >>>Bug or something else? >>> >>>Even if firewall is turned off and vncserver runs, vncviewer still >>>complains that connection refused. >>>And I can't fix it. >>> >>>There is exact dialog: >>> >>>[olle at olle ~]$ vncviewer server >>> >>>VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Apr 27 2005 02:25:46 >>>Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd. >>>See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. >>> >>>Thu Jun 30 23:27:55 2005 >>>main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) >>> >>>Olle >>> >>> From julius at turtle.com Fri Jul 1 13:46:19 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] corrupt partition table In-Reply-To: <42C53B5F.3010009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > The power went out yesterday, and so my server went down. When the power came back on, > the server tried to boot, but failed apparently because the partition table got > corrupted--it just spits out a 'Insert boot disk' error. I booted from Knoppix and it > was during that bootup that I saw the message about the partition table being bad. Once > Knoppix is up, it doesn't show any hard drive partitions on its desktop, so that pretty > much confirms it. Is there any way to deal with a trashed partition table? I figure > I'll have to reformat and re-install, which is okay--a reason to upgrade from the > K12LTSP version 3.1.2 that was on there. But there are a few files I'd like to retrieve > beforehand if possible. Complicating the situation is that it was using LVM, although > I'm not certain it was used for the root partition; unfortunately, I can't remember how > it was layed out. But I think using LVM changes the way partitions are handled. Are > there any tools for dealing with crippled LVM systems? > Petre, the actual partitions are handled the same way with or without LVM. The difficulty comes with the fact that afaik vgimport doesn't restore the physical partitions. I wasn't very successful restoring corrupt partition tables but this may have to do with the fact that usually the damage was not confined to partition tables. Problem with fdisk is that you -have- to put the new partion table -exactly- as the old one, otherwise the data goes away. julius From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Fri Jul 1 14:01:49 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:31:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with iptables In-Reply-To: <20050701092604.EF36C7412B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050701092604.EF36C7412B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42C54CCD.9030200@indoasian.com> Dear Sir, >Message: 21 >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:44:19 -0700 >From: Jeff Nelson >Subject: [K12OSN] problems with iptables >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi all, > >We've been having some problems with iptables on our K12LTSP system. It >doesn't save the firewall, even with "service iptables save," so when the >server is rebooted or if anyone does "service network restart," the iptables >rules are somehow flushed and we have to run the firewall script again >manually. > >We're running a pretty stock K12LTSP 4.2.1. Kernel-2.6.10 > >Does anyone have an idea as to what could be going wrong? > >Thanks, > >Jeff Nelson >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20050630/158c4f01/attachment.htm > >------------------------------ > >Message: 22 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:11:05 +0530 >From: Sudev Barar >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] problems with iptables >To: Jeff Nelson , "Support list for opensource > software in schools." >Message-ID: <774593a2050630184159fbc98d at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On 7/1/05, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > >> We've been having some problems with iptables on our K12LTSP system. It >>doesn't save the firewall, even with "service iptables save," so when the >>server is rebooted or if anyone does "service network restart," the iptables >>rules are somehow flushed and we have to run the firewall script again >>manually. >> >> > >Is the service iptables set to eun every time? >Right now I am on an Ubuntu box so cannot trace the command but man >for something like "chkconfig". The command is something like >"chkconfig --level 35 iptables" >Alternatively run "setup" as root and in services enable the iptables >as service. This will make it run at boot time. > > rightly said, 1) check wether it is enabled for run level in which you are running your server. "chkconfig --level 35 iptables" OR for temp solution do "service iptables start/restart" 2) could check the status "service iptables status" 3) save your settings as iptables-save > your_iptable_rules 4) check wether " /etc/sysconfig/iptables" exists, if yes make a backup of it. now put your rules as "iptables-restore < your_iptable_rules" can also use "service iptables save" at last i would suggest you to see "/etc/init.d/iptables" script. hope this will help a bit. regards, Bimal Pandit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Jul 1 14:02:34 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:02:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] Message-ID: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, all! I just wanted to publicly thank Steve Hargadon, Kim Brand, and all the folks at Yorktown High School for their awesome work at the National Education and Computing Conference (NECC) 2005 this past week! LTSP was represented in Symbio Technologies' booth and the Email garden in the upstairs pavilion. Thanks to the efforts of those mentioned above (and probably more that I am forgetting in my pre-coffee stupor), literally tens of thousands of educators and decision makers for schools in the US and abroad are now aware and excited about the technology. And they didn't stop there. There were even hosted presentations on Open Source software such as Moodle, and free CD's of Ubuntu and the OpenCD being distributed left and right. (I even saw some Ubuntu CDs in the Apple booth next to the MAC Minis! lol) So, kudos to all! If anyone wants to see pics let me know! -Gadi -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 14:23:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:23:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Post the pics so we can see 'em! :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: > > >Hi, all! > >I just wanted to publicly thank Steve Hargadon, Kim Brand, and all the >folks at Yorktown High School for their awesome work at the National >Education and Computing Conference (NECC) 2005 this past week! > >LTSP was represented in Symbio Technologies' booth and the Email garden >in the upstairs pavilion. Thanks to the efforts of those mentioned >above (and probably more that I am forgetting in my pre-coffee stupor), >literally tens of thousands of educators and decision makers for schools >in the US and abroad are now aware and excited about the technology. >And they didn't stop there. There were even hosted presentations on >Open Source software such as Moodle, and free CD's of Ubuntu and the >OpenCD being distributed left and right. (I even saw some Ubuntu CDs in >the Apple booth next to the MAC Minis! lol) > >So, kudos to all! If anyone wants to see pics let me know! > >-Gadi David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 14:23:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:23:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Post the pics so we can see 'em! :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: > > >Hi, all! > >I just wanted to publicly thank Steve Hargadon, Kim Brand, and all the >folks at Yorktown High School for their awesome work at the National >Education and Computing Conference (NECC) 2005 this past week! > >LTSP was represented in Symbio Technologies' booth and the Email garden >in the upstairs pavilion. Thanks to the efforts of those mentioned >above (and probably more that I am forgetting in my pre-coffee stupor), >literally tens of thousands of educators and decision makers for schools >in the US and abroad are now aware and excited about the technology. >And they didn't stop there. There were even hosted presentations on >Open Source software such as Moodle, and free CD's of Ubuntu and the >OpenCD being distributed left and right. (I even saw some Ubuntu CDs in >the Apple booth next to the MAC Minis! lol) > >So, kudos to all! If anyone wants to see pics let me know! > >-Gadi David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 1 14:41:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:41:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist In-Reply-To: <200506302242.j5UMgrW20601@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001201c57e4a$f5c75c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > i dont know just how you have your directory set up but > fwiw i have my script set up to create just one password for > all users, with prompt for pw change at first login for all > users..So i really dont care what pw they put in at start of > school year..If they forget i just reset > sambaPassworustChange back to 0 set the pw back to the > original ..and they take care of themselves..chuck I have to get this working with the passwords I already have. Just the nature of the beast. Looking at the script it looks like it wants input in the order of: Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,shellpath,homedir,password Is this why method 3b of the tutorial doesn't seem to work with: Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,password ? If so could this be fixed with making a userinfo.names with the following: Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,,,password ? I don't know crap about scripting but it looks like if any of the last four fields are missing it will just fill them in with the defaults set at the top of the script? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 15:15:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:15:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist In-Reply-To: <001201c57e4a$f5c75c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c57e4a$f5c75c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Matt....there's a discussion going on in the K12 list that you might want to pop in on....Jim Kronebusch is having some trouble with one of the bullk add scripts. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:41 AM +0000 wrote: >> i dont know just how you have your directory set up but >> fwiw i have my script set up to create just one password for >> all users, with prompt for pw change at first login for all >> users..So i really dont care what pw they put in at start of >> school year..If they forget i just reset >> sambaPassworustChange back to 0 set the pw back to the >> original ..and they take care of themselves..chuck > >I have to get this working with the passwords I already have. Just the >nature of the beast. > >Looking at the script it looks like it wants input in the order of: >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,shellpath,homedir,password > >Is this why method 3b of the tutorial doesn't seem to work with: > >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,password > >? > >If so could this be fixed with making a userinfo.names with the >following: >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,,,password > >? > >I don't know crap about scripting but it looks like if any of the last >four fields are missing it will just fill them in with the defaults set >at the top of the script? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 15:15:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:15:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist In-Reply-To: <001201c57e4a$f5c75c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c57e4a$f5c75c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Matt....there's a discussion going on in the K12 list that you might want to pop in on....Jim Kronebusch is having some trouble with one of the bullk add scripts. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:41 AM +0000 wrote: >> i dont know just how you have your directory set up but >> fwiw i have my script set up to create just one password for >> all users, with prompt for pw change at first login for all >> users..So i really dont care what pw they put in at start of >> school year..If they forget i just reset >> sambaPassworustChange back to 0 set the pw back to the >> original ..and they take care of themselves..chuck > >I have to get this working with the passwords I already have. Just the >nature of the beast. > >Looking at the script it looks like it wants input in the order of: >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,shellpath,homedir,password > >Is this why method 3b of the tutorial doesn't seem to work with: > >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,password > >? > >If so could this be fixed with making a userinfo.names with the >following: >Firstname,Lastname,username,gid,,,password > >? > >I don't know crap about scripting but it looks like if any of the last >four fields are missing it will just fill them in with the defaults set >at the top of the script? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 1 15:19:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:19:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c57e50$4f4061b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Matt....there's a discussion going on in the K12 list that > you might want to pop in on....Jim Kronebusch is having some > trouble with one of the bullk add scripts. Turns out that if I set in the script my $default_shell = "/bin/sh"; And then in userinfo.names use: Firstname,Lastname,uname,gid,,,password Everything works fine. For some reason it still asks me what group id I want to add to but that is no big deal. Dave, you might want to update the tutorial Method 3a to reflect this. Matt, you may want to update the script with the different shell defaults, otherwise you just get an administrator disabled your account. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Fri Jul 1 15:40:35 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:40:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] corrupt partition table In-Reply-To: <42C53B5F.3010009@maltzen.net> References: <42C53B5F.3010009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1120232435.1615.8.camel@server.byh.org> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 07:47 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > The power went out yesterday, and so my server went down. When the power came back on, > the server tried to boot, but failed apparently because the partition table got > corrupted--it just spits out a 'Insert boot disk' error. I booted from Knoppix and it > was during that bootup that I saw the message about the partition table being bad. Once > Knoppix is up, it doesn't show any hard drive partitions on its desktop, so that pretty > much confirms it. Is there any way to deal with a trashed partition table? I figure > I'll have to reformat and re-install, which is okay--a reason to upgrade from the > K12LTSP version 3.1.2 that was on there. But there are a few files I'd like to retrieve > beforehand if possible. Complicating the situation is that it was using LVM, although > I'm not certain it was used for the root partition; unfortunately, I can't remember how > it was layed out. But I think using LVM changes the way partitions are handled. Are > there any tools for dealing with crippled LVM systems? > > Petre > This is probably a bit drastic and I hope others will have better ideas but as a last resort you could try The Sleuth Kit and Autopsy. I don't know if you can move the drive to another computer and work directly on the drive or if you have to make an image first. I have always imaged the damaged drive first, then worked on the image to recover files. I'll warn you ahead of time, using these tools can be very time consuming and tedious, but they do work. Very well. Good luck. - gjk From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Jul 1 16:00:03 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:00:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD (Fedora Directory Server) In-Reply-To: <200506301428.55951.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20050630160035.B839874332@hormel.redhat.com> <1120153239.4311.250.camel@phoenix.hhp> <200506301428.55951.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1120233602.4311.306.camel@phoenix.hhp> Dimitri, I don't think so, or at least not without a lot of work. It does a basic syncronization w/ AD (it copies the data to similar entries in FDS I think). I don't think it replicates any of the special AD schema related to group policies, etc... although it would be nice. This is a little past my expertise so I can only make guesses or assumptions. Henry On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 14:28, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > Henry, > > > I am interested in the active directory > > sync abilities. I want to use it to replicate all my users from AD over > > to Fedora Directory Server ... > > Me, too. I've installed and am learning FDS on a CentOS 3 box. Would this > potentially serve as a BDC? > > Dimitri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 1 16:10:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:10:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist In-Reply-To: <001301c57e50$4f4061b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001901c57e57$594de9a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Lets try a new line of questioning here. Does a bulk user-delete exist? How about a bulk userpassword-change? Lets say at the end of the year I want to remove the 12th grade class from the system. I would love to place a list of users in a folder and run the user-delete script to pull them from the system. Any ideas? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 1 16:26:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:26:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] corrupt partition table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120235213.5158.97.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 08:46, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Problem with > fdisk is that you -have- to put the new partion table -exactly- as the old > one, otherwise the data goes away. When you get a new box working, do: fdisk -l |mail your_account at gmail.com or something to hang on to a copy of the layout. And dump a copy on the disk where it will be picked up in your backups - especially if you use backuppc where it is easy to browse to the backup of a text file and read it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jul 1 16:41:33 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:41:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA5FCFEA@rebekah.bible.edu> I'll second the Horde thing. Seems like horde is really getting things together for a modular web-based groupware system. I've been happy with it as a user and thinking about distributing it to students here. JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ingalls > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 3:29 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? > > Horde. http://www.horde.org > > Their calendar application (kronolith) sounds like exactly > what you want. > However, I'd recommend using their entire package (webmail, > notes, tasks, address book, etc) over SquirrelMail. That way > you'll have everything integrated in a nice one-stop application. > > AFAIK the current release of SME doens't include the newest > release of Horde (which has shared calendars). > > Apparently this script > (http://www.contribs.org/contribs/jbennett/install_horde30.sh) > will install the newest Horde in SME. (I haven't tried it). > > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > Quoting "Santiago, Nicholas" : > > > Hi all-- > > > > Looking at switching our email over to open source. Looks > like we're going > > with an SME Server with SquirrelMail for that. > > > > Our other concern is that since we're leaving an Exchange > environment, we > > need a shared calendar solution. I was looking at possibly > outsourcing to a > > company like Trumba >, but > > I was hoping to find something similar to it that is either > cheap or free, > > and we can host on-site. Anyone have any ideas? > > > > -Nick > > > > nicholassantiago > > technical assistant > > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > > nsantiago at caclv.org :: > > www.caclv.org > > > > This message and any attachments are confidential and may > be privileged. > > They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Fri Jul 1 17:33:07 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050701092604.8229074127@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050701092604.8229074127@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> Yep, Dave, I'm on it. Just hadn't had a chance to reply yet. Silly day job getting in the way... ;) > 1. Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP Installer from Oquist > and Trask (Jim Kronebusch) > 20. RE: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist > (cliebow at downeast.net) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:14:20 -0500 > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP Installer from > Oquist and Trask > To: > Message-ID: <002d01c57d8e$c583bba0$b39b060a at winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am trying to run the smbldap-useradd-bulk script included with the > SMB/LDAP Installer provided by David and Matt. I have created a > userinfo.names with the following: > Firstname,Lastname,username,groupid,password Which version of the Samba/LDAP Installer are you using? The beta (now gamma) version has some changes that could have made a difference. I've updated the site to mention this; sorry that wasn't clear before. 8-o ( http://majen.net/smbldap/ ) I've started adding in quota support (assisted by Brian Chivers), and that's added a new input field to smbldap-useradd-bulk. So your password field may very well be misinterpreted. BTW, I'll also mention that if you want to create all your users with the same default password, you can change the smbldap-useradd-bulk line in the Makefile from this: users: $(START) $(PERL) create-usernames -a -i -f $(START) -o $(NAMES) $(PERL) smbldap-useradd-bulk -f $(NAMES) -o $(FINISH) to this: $(PERL) smbldap-useradd-bulk -p default=password -f $(NAMES) -o $(FINISH) That will give each user the password "password". > Not sure what the last item is, it almost looks like a automatically > generated password. I cannot log in with these new users either with I expect that it is. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:34:16 GMT > From: cliebow at downeast.net > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with > SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200506302242.j5UMgrW20601 at downeast.net> How do you prompt for a pw change at first login? Does that happen on every platform? > i dont know just how you have your directory set up but > fwiw i have my script set up to create just one password for all users, > with prompt for pw change at first login for all users..So i really dont > care what pw they put in at start of school year..If they forget i just > reset sambaPassworustChange back to 0 set the pw back to the original ..and > they take care of > themselves..chuck --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They lack an onboard ethernet controller, and as such I have to use PCMCIA devices for networking. I've found some support for PCMCIA boot disks (specifically wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz), but the devices that I use aren't supported. One FAQ that I read recommended compiling a kernal with specific drivers and making a boot disk from that. However, I don't have enough experience with Linux to take that step. Does anyone know if someone else has undertaken something like this? If so, are there boot disk files available? Thanks, Ben From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Fri Jul 1 18:40:19 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:40:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <20050630152846.a77v2rg0cmos444g@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050630152846.a77v2rg0cmos444g@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <1120243219.8562.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the link. The script works great!!! Larry On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:28 -0400, Jason Ingalls wrote: > Horde. http://www.horde.org > > Their calendar application (kronolith) sounds like exactly what you want. > However, I'd recommend using their entire package (webmail, notes, tasks, > address book, etc) over SquirrelMail. That way you'll have everything > integrated in a nice one-stop application. > > AFAIK the current release of SME doens't include the newest release of Horde > (which has shared calendars). > > Apparently this script > (http://www.contribs.org/contribs/jbennett/install_horde30.sh) will > install the > newest Horde in SME. (I haven't tried it). > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 1 18:46:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> Message-ID: <002001c57e6d$345afb40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Which version of the Samba/LDAP Installer are you using? It looks like I installed smbldap-installer-1.2-gamma.tgz. > The beta (now gamma) version has some changes that could have > made a difference. I've updated the site to mention this; > sorry that wasn't clear before. 8-o ( http://majen.net/smbldap/ ) It looks like the newest version from your site is 1.2.2-gamma. I installed this earlier and have now just begun testing with real users. In about a week when I wipe this server I will be installing K12LTSP 4.4 (or whenever the release gets out) and I will download the newest version of the smbldap installer at that time. Could you just let me know the format of the fields so I know how to use the bulk-add script? I need to import with existing usernames and passwords. In fact maybe a couple more lines in the readme could describe all fields imported and the order, and something on how to override those with the userinfo.names file. Or you could just tell me I ask for too much :-) I think this would be helpful however since many admins probably work with existing systems and users. > I've started adding in quota support (assisted by Brian > Chivers), and that's added a new input field to > smbldap-useradd-bulk. So your password field may very well > be misinterpreted. Excellent! I really don't want to loose my quota support for next year. Does this currently work? Separate topic, anyone have a good tool for administering this stuff yet? I have tried many options but nothing seems to cover the spectrum (or I am just too illiterate to figure it out). Having a gui to add/remove users, change passwords, assign group priveleges, monitor/change quotas, mass addition and deletion, etc. I am sure the answer to the above question will be no unless it is for a portion of the options. So Matt, do you have any tools via command line to modify the new quota features yet? Something to see current limits and usage and can increase or decrease existing users? Thanks for everyones help. I shouldn't have waited so long to test some of this stuff. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 1 18:51:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:51:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Email server interaction with LDAP users Message-ID: <002101c57e6d$dedc9420$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I have an email server on WBEL right now running Postfix and grabbing users from local system accounts. I want to set this box to Auth to my K12LTSP SMB/LDAP server for users once it is in production. Does anyone know how this may affect my mail setup? I don't know if the users pulled from the LDAP machine will show up as local system accounts or not. If not I imagine I will have to add another file to local_recipient_maps. If so anyone know what file would need to be added? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Fri Jul 1 18:57:22 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:57:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PCMCIA Boot Capabilities In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d505070111116c4b2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <30d6c8d505070111116c4b2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1120244242.1615.11.camel@server.byh.org> Not really answering your question but FWIW I've had good success with the linksys 10/100 cards using the wireless package. - gustav On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 14:11 -0400, Ben Murphy wrote: > I'm new to using K12LTSP and was trying to configure bootable media > for older laptops. They lack an onboard ethernet controller, and as > such I have to use PCMCIA devices for networking. I've found some > support for PCMCIA boot disks (specifically > wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz), but the devices that I use aren't > supported. One FAQ that I read recommended compiling a kernal with > specific drivers and making a boot disk from that. However, I don't > have enough experience with Linux to take that step. Does anyone know > if someone else has undertaken something like this? If so, are there > boot disk files available? > > Thanks, > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 19:34:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:34:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> References: <20050701092604.8229074127@hormel.redhat.com> <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 1, 2005 at 1:33 PM +0000 wrote: >Yep, Dave, I'm on it. Just hadn't had a chance to reply yet. Silly >day job getting in the way... ;) Yeah...day jobs are pesky...we should get paid for hobbies not jobs. Don't forget to see about integrating the ACL stuff I sent a while back ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 1 19:34:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:34:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> References: <20050701092604.8229074127@hormel.redhat.com> <20050701173307.GA15752@majen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 1, 2005 at 1:33 PM +0000 wrote: >Yep, Dave, I'm on it. Just hadn't had a chance to reply yet. Silly >day job getting in the way... ;) Yeah...day jobs are pesky...we should get paid for hobbies not jobs. Don't forget to see about integrating the ACL stuff I sent a while back ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 03:05:34 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050630110433.7ozje2k4p1u88k4s@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <20050702030534.79385.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jason Ingalls wrote: > I've tried that as well. I haven't tried modifying > "shell folders" AND "user > shell folders" yet. I'm hoping that is it. > > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > Jason, In case you and Chuck are still trying to get this to work, here's what's worked for me. In startup.bat I have the following: c: cd c:\chain regedit /s c:\chain\startup.reg Here's my startup.reg: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders] "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" I based my .reg file on what I exported using regedit.exe in Windows XP. All the above directories already exist on the P: drive. Something I noticed was that the export function used "\\" instead of "\". Perhaps that makes a difference in getting the import to work when running from the batch file? Though I've only tried this in Windows XP... perhaps older versions use "\". David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 05:52:38 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:52:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <92de6c8805070122524aa0f99e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/05, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > Hi, all! > > I just wanted to publicly thank Steve Hargadon, Kim Brand, and all the > folks at Yorktown High School for their awesome work at the National > Education and Computing Conference (NECC) 2005 this past week! First off, I'd like to thank these folks as well for their hard work this year. It is hard to get a sense of the zeitgeist in a convention as huge as NECC, but I felt that the level of awareness and curiosity about open source was noticably higher than the previous year. The overall visibility of open source wasn't much higher though. Novell didn't manage to fly the desktop Linux flag as high as I had hoped, mostly because they didn't have enough floor space to show off anything in particular. The NECC schedule is so massive and complex it was hard to get a sense of the scope, times and locations of open source related talks and presentations. We don't, in retrospect, have much data about how many people went to open source oriented talks, picked up stuff at the Free Software Center, etc. I hope I can talk about this without making those who worked at the lab, made presentations, etc. feel like I'm attacking them. I was more than a little bit behind the game myself and my contribution to the lab was minimal. Now I'm thinking about NEXT YEAR. Sponsorship -- I am entirely ignorant of the details of the arrangement with NECC that created the Free Software Center/email garden, but it seems to me that we should be able to get some money out of Novell, Canonical and others to underwrite our efforts, whether they would explicitly sponsor the FSC or by some less direct path. This wouldn't mean, for example, that we'd be shilling Novell product or having Novell product demos in the lab. It might mean someone from Novell talking about GNOME, Hula or other GPL software they back. I'm thinking of money for nice signs and other promotional materials. Maybe a flyer in the conference bag, something that everyone would see immediately, at least in theory. Also money to underwrite bringing in more speakers to talk about free software. Perhaps some free software hackers who wouldn't normally think of NECC as being relevant to their work, but who could help explain the open source world to teachers. Talks -- First off, I'm officially kicking off my personal campaign to get Miguel de Icaza invited to do a keynote next year, although I don't know what such a campaign would entail, or if he could even be coaxed into making the trip. Heck, I can't even figure out what his title at Novell is these days. Given the close proximity of the next NECC to the Mexican border, I think he'd be a particularly apt choice. We should definitely propose a panel on the philosophy and practice of free software development, with a diverse group of speakers. We should systematically nag relevant people to make a proposal to NECC. I have no idea how many FOSS-related proposals NECC got this year, but I have a feeling that it wasn't as many as it could be. Lobbying ISTE/NECC - If I recall correctly, there isn't anything in particular in the application to present at NECC that flag's one's presentation as being relevant to open source. This would help in raising NECC's consciousness and could perhaps also be used to help them add a little icon to the calendar to designate FOSS-related talks, or at least help us make an easy-to use guide to FOSS at NECC, get in touch with the relevant presenters prior to the talk, nag them for after-action reports, etc. Moodle - My sense was that Moodle is ready to go thermonuclear in K12 education, and we should ride that wave. Next year we should have a full slate of hourly mini-talks scheduled at the free software center, and I'd say a third of them should be Moodle related, promoted on Moodle mailing lists, etc. I'm bringing up these ideas because I'm interested in working to make NECC 2006 the year that open source goes from underground to mainstream. We just need to get started with enough lead time. --Tom From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 05:57:12 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:57:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c8805070122577c4d3d6d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > Hi all-- > > Looking at switching our email over to open source. Looks like we're going > with an SME Server with SquirrelMail for that. > > Our other concern is that since we're leaving an Exchange environment, we > need a shared calendar solution. I was looking at possibly outsourcing to a > company like Trumba , but I was hoping to find > something similar to it that is either cheap or free, and we can host > on-site. Anyone have any ideas? Hi Nick, SchoolTool Calendar is similar in functionality to Trumba, it is free software, and you host it yourself. It also supports school-specific things like rotating periods, class schedules and resource management. Check it out at http://schooltool.org --Tom From chan at sacredsf.org Sat Jul 2 12:57:09 2005 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805070122524aa0f99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Add my thanks and support too. Actually, my take on the "zeitgeist" of Open Source at NECC is slightly different. Seemed like a LOT more _interest_ but like last year, and maybe worse this time, the Linux Garden was hidden away and hard to find. You had to puposefully look for it in order to get there. In the education world, I think Moodle is what's going to really crack open Open Source. I couldn't get in to any of the Moodle sessions because of the crowds. Looking forward to the San Diego NECC. If it didn't happen this year, maybe we should see if we can get a face-to-face gathering of folks from this mailing list! -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From chan at sacredsf.org Sat Jul 2 13:02:57 2005 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: re: Open Source at NECC ... and one more comment. I had to smile a bit seeing the Black Board people hovering around the Moodle sessions trying to get in to the talks. I imagine they're _very_ concerned about the exploding interest in a competitive package like Moodle. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jul 2 13:01:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:01:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200507021509.j62F9vg04502@downeast.net> David: Very good..Jason will be excited to give this a whirl..I ight sneak away tomorrow and give it a whirl..much appreciated..chuck > --- Jason Ingalls > wrote: > > > I've tried that as well. I haven't tried modifying > > "shell folders" AND "user > > shell folders" yet. I'm hoping that is it. > > > > > > -- > > Jason Ingalls > > Ellsworth School Department > > IT Specialist > > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > > > Jason, > > In case you and Chuck are still trying to get this to > work, here's what's worked for me. > > In startup.bat I have the following: > c: > cd c:\chain > regedit /s c:\chain\startup.reg > > Here's my startup.reg: > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" > "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" > "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" > "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User > Shell Folders] > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" > "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" > "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" > "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" > > I based my .reg file on what I exported using > regedit.exe in Windows XP. All the above directories > already exist on the P: drive. > > Something I noticed was that the export function used > "\\" instead of "\". Perhaps that makes a difference > in getting the import to work when running from the > batch file? Though I've only tried this in Windows > XP... perhaps older versions use "\". > > David > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Jul 2 16:10:48 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:10:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install Message-ID: Hi gang I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum amount of configuration (http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it needs a dedicated SME server (http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and convoluted... cheers A. Hodson El Paso TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Sat Jul 2 16:39:37 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Betas available? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E6C1@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E6C1@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <42C6C349.1060400@shaw.ca> Henry Hartley wrote: >On: Thu, June 30, 2005 12:15 AM, Liam Marshall said: > > >>>I will wait for the new release when you get back from holidays Eric, >>>but do you have some recent betas I could try? I don't care about >>>anything else not working perfect yet, I just want to see if my pesky >>>sound issue has been resolved. >>> >>>I love the product but spent the last year unsuccessfully trying to >>> >>> >get > > >>>sound to work for my elementary teachers, who say it is a must >>> >>> >>> > >You'll find Eric's latest betas of 4.4.0 (beta 3 as of right now) here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > > I tried the betas directly on 1 of the workstations with a hard drive just to check if it worked with the sound card. I figured if it worked with a direct install on that machine then the sound stood a better chance of working when the workstation was used as a thin client it does not work. I tried the same thing with a copy of Suse 9.1 I have and it worked right away. This leads me to believe that I should be able to get it to work with K12ltsp, but I don't know how. Does it have something to do with the kernel? drivers? I am at a loss and have never recompiled a kernel but would be willing to try if someone could point me in the right direction. The 2 different workstations I have are Dell Optiplex GX1's and IBM 300PLs. Both have onboard sound (crystal chipset) both when loaded with Windows have the sound working. Both have sound working with Suse 9.1 I want to stay with K12LTSP but the elementary teachers really want to have sound for educational games and websites PLEASE HELP Desperate From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 2 18:01:39 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:01:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS and NECC In-Reply-To: <20050702160138.724B273C72@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050702160138.724B273C72@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1120327299.24485.93.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Hello, My wife and I just returned from a two and a half week vacation touring the North East. The vacation included two and a half days attending NELS and a day and a half attending NECC. It was great meeting so many FOSS advocates and placing faces with names. You can't beat NELS as a forum to network with other people in the education sector who are also advocates of FOSS. I highly recommend this symposium to anyone who has deployed FOSS in the education sector or is considering integrating FOSS in a K12 environment. I can't tell you how great it was to see an email garden running ltsp at NECC and a modest but steady stream of attendees using the Linux desktop. Three short years ago I was greeted with a "polite" chuckle from many vendors at the FETC when I mentioned our school was using Linux. In contrast, this year at the NECC neither my wife nor I received any condescending attitudes from any of the vendors we talked OSS with. In fact, I found vendors were quite interested chatting Linux when I mentioned the commitment our school has made to FOSS over the past three years. I'd suggest that anyone who has the time to attend any regional Edu Tech conventions do so and politely mention to as many vendors as possible that you are using Linux in your school. The FETC (Florida Educators Technology Conference) is held in Orlando every year. The FETC has been as large or nearly as large as the NECC. I'd guess this is due to its proximity to all the Florida attractions. There has been three attempts that I know of to represent FOSS at the FETC. I'm hoping the FETC organizers will be more open to Open Source at next March's convention. If anyone is planning on organizing a presence at this convention please contact me as I live a short drive from Orlando. Also if anyone is interested in researching the possibility of creating a SEELS (South East Educators Linux Symposium) please contact me. John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 2 18:11:13 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:11:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install Message-ID: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Alan wrote: Hi gang I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum amount of configuration (http://www.tech- geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it needs a dedicated SME server (http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and convoluted... cheers A. Hodson Alan, Where did you run into snags? If you need some assistance running through the following procedure http://moodle.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=3856 I will be glad to help you out. John From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 18:11:58 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:11:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805070122524aa0f99e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <92de6c8805070122524aa0f99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So, first off, real thanks to Paul Nelson who has supported this event in years past, and who helped keep it going this year. We had good discussions with the show organizers during and after the event, and they appear very open to expanding/enhancing the Open Source offerings. I would suggest that, under Paul's direction, we consider a monthly teleconference of those interested in working on this for next year. May I suggest Wednesday, July 13th, at 12:00 noon PDT? While the show it still fresh in our minds but giving us a couple of weeks to get caught up... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From moquist at majen.net Sat Jul 2 18:18:51 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:18:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050702160138.724B273C72@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050702160138.724B273C72@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050702181851.GA31958@majen.net> > 2. RE: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist > (Jim Kronebusch) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:10:07 -0500 > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with > SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > Message-ID: <001901c57e57$594de9a0$b39b060a at winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Lets try a new line of questioning here. Does a bulk user-delete exist? > How about a bulk userpassword-change? Lets say at the end of the year I > want to remove the 12th grade class from the system. I would love to > place a list of users in a folder and run the user-delete script to pull > them from the system. > > Any ideas? Yeah - run 'ls' in the smbldap-installer directory and see what you find. :-D --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Sat Jul 2 18:33:50 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:33:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <200507021509.j62F9vg04502@downeast.net> References: <200507021509.j62F9vg04502@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050702143350.5t0okvse7dmsgw04@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> No doubt. I bet that is exactly what it is. I noticed that on the export Chuck had made, but for some reason it never clicked in my head. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > David: Very good..Jason will be excited to give this a whirl..I ight sneak > away tomorrow and give it a whirl..much appreciated..chuck > >> --- Jason Ingalls >> wrote: >> >> > I've tried that as well. I haven't tried modifying >> > "shell folders" AND "user >> > shell folders" yet. I'm hoping that is it. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jason Ingalls >> > Ellsworth School Department >> > IT Specialist >> > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 >> > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org >> > >> >> >> Jason, >> >> In case you and Chuck are still trying to get this to >> work, here's what's worked for me. >> >> In startup.bat I have the following: >> c: >> cd c:\chain >> regedit /s c:\chain\startup.reg >> >> Here's my startup.reg: >> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" >> "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" >> "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User >> Shell Folders] >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> "My Pictures"="P:\\My Documents\\My Pictures" >> "My Music"="P:\\My Documents\\My Music" >> "My Video"="P:\\My Documents\\My Videos" >> >> I based my .reg file on what I exported using >> regedit.exe in Windows XP. All the above directories >> already exist on the P: drive. >> >> Something I noticed was that the export function used >> "\\" instead of "\". Perhaps that makes a difference >> in getting the import to work when running from the >> batch file? Though I've only tried this in Windows >> XP... perhaps older versions use "\". >> >> David >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sat Jul 2 19:13:23 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:13:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: NECC and thanks] In-Reply-To: References: <1120226554.11800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <92de6c8805070122524aa0f99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C6E753.5080805@riverdale.k12.or.us> Steve Hargadon wrote: > So, first off, real thanks to Paul Nelson who has supported this event > in years past, and who helped keep it going this year. > > We had good discussions with the show organizers during and after the > event, and they appear very open to expanding/enhancing the Open > Source offerings. I would suggest that, under Paul's direction, we > consider a monthly teleconference of those interested in working on > this for next year. > > May I suggest Wednesday, July 13th, at 12:00 noon PDT? While the show > it still fresh in our minds but giving us a couple of weeks to get > caught up... > I'll be out of town on that date but would like to keep working on this. It seems like we always get the left-over space. It sounds like you guys took it up a knotch this year. I'd like to hear more. Count me in for next year. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 2 20:18:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:18:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Betas available? In-Reply-To: <42C6C349.1060400@shaw.ca> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E6C1@MAILBE2.westat.com> <42C6C349.1060400@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1120335528.11145.56.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-07-02 at 11:39, Liam Marshall wrote: > The 2 different workstations I have > are Dell Optiplex GX1's and IBM 300PLs. Both have onboard sound > (crystal chipset) both when loaded with Windows have the sound > working. Both have sound working with Suse 9.1 The problem is that the crystal chipset lives on the ISA buss even though it is built into a pci motherboard. Suse must do some extra probing to find it. Someone posted this earlier about the GX1 and I think it matches what I used a while back: SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1" If that doesn't work, maybe you can peek at the options a working Suse sets up in /etc/modules.conf -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Jul 2 20:30:01 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:30:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logins problem ADS-LTSP Message-ID: Hello folks, as I will be setting up our whole primary school in K12LTSP (pilot project n Belgium I suppose :-) I'm in need of some advice. The setup i'll be using will depend on a win 2003 ADS (auth and files) as this has been the only addmitance I had to make upon my staff board. (.... I case i'll be missing ;-) LOL...) We'll have:- 1 Win 2003 ADS 1 Win 2003 term server for who's in need of... (using Rdesktop) 3 or 4 K12 LTSP servers standalone (or should i prefer clustering?) My main problem is for now: I'd like to make all profiles roaming, so when a login is made anyone will have access to his or her files, ltsp or win 2003 login. This year my clients (old thick system and all on windows) could login with f.e. klas6b, and they used it on all of their computers in the classroom to get access to the network. No profiles were transfered so no problem. But I noticed this is very difficult in ltsp. if i open one session win 2003 on a client, and try to open another one with the same login on another client the session is automaticly transferred between the 2 clients. Should i give al of my machines a seperate login? Or all of the children (600+) (import script?)? My first idea was - every teacher a login - every class a login But this seems to be a big problem... Anyone a solution? Kindly regards, Kevin From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jul 3 04:00:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:00:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstaller In-Reply-To: <20050702181851.GA31958@majen.net> References: <20050702160138.724B273C72@hormel.redhat.com> <20050702181851.GA31958@majen.net> Message-ID: <20050703035839.M58501@winonacotter.org> > Yeah - run 'ls' in the smbldap-installer directory and see what you > find. :-D Thanks Matt. I take it I need to download the newest version :-) I just finished lighting off all of my fireworks tonight so I think I'll get it downloading now. Sorry for the old questions when all it looks like I need is the newer version. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 3 05:35:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:35:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install In-Reply-To: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: Just FYI....since I noticed John Ballie's name on this message (and he attended the Northeast Linux Symposium in Maine two weeks ago)....the NELS site is a Moodle site and it happens to be hosted on an SME server...I love SME...I have a whole bunch of them for various purposes ranging from Firewall/gateway/router/proxy/Dansguardian.....to simple NFS install server housing all my images for deployment over the network. The installation of Moodle is very simple. Simply untar it in the html or www directory....create a database for it....I use "mysql_setpermissions" and then run the install. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 2, 2005 at 2:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Alan wrote: > >Hi gang > >I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the >versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle >install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum >amount of configuration (http://www.tech- >geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it >needs a dedicated SME server >(http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question >is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of >server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP >versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and >convoluted... > >cheers > >A. Hodson > > >Alan, > >Where did you run into snags? > >If you need some assistance running through the following procedure > >http://moodle.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=3856 > >I will be glad to help you out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 3 05:35:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:35:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install In-Reply-To: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: Just FYI....since I noticed John Ballie's name on this message (and he attended the Northeast Linux Symposium in Maine two weeks ago)....the NELS site is a Moodle site and it happens to be hosted on an SME server...I love SME...I have a whole bunch of them for various purposes ranging from Firewall/gateway/router/proxy/Dansguardian.....to simple NFS install server housing all my images for deployment over the network. The installation of Moodle is very simple. Simply untar it in the html or www directory....create a database for it....I use "mysql_setpermissions" and then run the install. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 2, 2005 at 2:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Alan wrote: > >Hi gang > >I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the >versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle >install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum >amount of configuration (http://www.tech- >geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it >needs a dedicated SME server >(http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question >is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of >server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP >versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and >convoluted... > >cheers > >A. Hodson > > >Alan, > >Where did you run into snags? > >If you need some assistance running through the following procedure > >http://moodle.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=3856 > >I will be glad to help you out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 3 06:49:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 02:49:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install In-Reply-To: References: <1120327873.24485.99.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <,> Message-ID: Oops...forgot the URL for the NELS moodle site http://www.nelinux.net David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jul 3 15:27:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:27:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200507031736.j63HaAc26118@downeast.net> Hey: i got in and tweaked puffins smb.conf as well as the adduser.d script on osprey,so profilepath and smbhomedrive points to puffin..SOmehow homedirs were automagically created on puffin in the process so no transfer of anything is necessary excpet user data .I found that exceptionally Cool..So the ghetto laptop just willingly joined the domain..and roaming profiles just work..I will eave the logon script for tomorrow i am unclear about this c:\chain\startup.reg thingie..Does that need to be placed on every machine..or is that somehow part of the p drive?? c ya chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jul 3 15:29:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:29:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200507031737.j63Hbac26320@downeast.net> Hey: i got in and tweaked puffins smb.conf as well as the adduser.d script on osprey,so profilepath and smbhomedrive points to puffin..SOmehow homedirs were automagically created on puffin in the process so no transfer of anything is necessary excpet user data .I found that exceptionally Cool..So the ghetto laptop just willingly joined the domain..and roaming profiles just work..I will eave the logon script for tomorrow i am unclear about this c:\chain\startup.reg thingie..Does that need to be placed on every machine..or is that somehow part of the p drive?? c ya chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Jul 4 02:10:02 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:10:02 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals running sloooow In-Reply-To: <42C6E753.5080805@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200507040216.j642Gusi030288@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> I have just noticed that our terminals are running slow now. I think the usage has increase over the last week with more people using openoffice writer and impress as well as scribus. Some using firefox also. Openoffice impress has been especially slow. We have an AMD 2500XP on a Microstar KT6 DELTA FISR motherboard with 120GB SATA HD and I think 1 GB RAM (maybe 2 GB how do I check without rebooting?) We have 15 terminals usually only 10 run concurrently. The server is GBlan going to a GB switch then the terminals connect to 100MB switches. 8 terminals to each 100MB switch. How can I find out what is making everything slow? Is there some diagnostic software or log file I can look at? It seemed to be going fine until this week. I am not sure if I should add more RAM or some other hardware upgrade, or if it is a software problem with a runaway program or something like that. Does my hardware sound adequate? Any recommendations? From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 4 03:10:19 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <200507031736.j63HaAc26118@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Hey: i got in and tweaked puffins smb.conf as well > as the adduser.d script > on osprey,so profilepath and smbhomedrive points to > puffin..SOmehow > homedirs were automagically created on puffin in the > process so no transfer > of anything is necessary excpet user data .I found > that exceptionally > Cool..So the ghetto laptop just willingly joined the > domain..and roaming > profiles just work..I will eave the logon script for > tomorrow i am unclear > about this c:\chain\startup.reg thingie..Does that > need to be placed on > every machine..or is that somehow part of the p > drive?? c ya > chuck > Chuck, I ran startup.reg locally on a Windows XP home edition PC (on my home network, which is just a simple peer-to-peer workgroup network). On this PC, P: had already been mapped to another computer's shared folder using net use p: /delete net use p: \\raven\shared\personal\%USERNAME% /persistent:yes in the same .bat file that runs startup.reg. Windows substitutes the user account name for %USERNAME%. ("raven" is just the name of my home's file server) At this point, I've just been playing around with this stuff, so I'm not sure if I really need the "persistent" parameter. As it is right now, I'd have to run startup.bat (and its startup.reg) in each user account in each of my Windows PCs, though I might need to only actually run once, instead of at every start up. I imagine something similar could be set up with a samba PDC using the logon file specification in smb.conf. And then perhaps run startup.reg directly from the server instead of on each PC. Unfortunately, I won't have a samba PDC to test this idea on for about another month. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 03:35:00 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:05:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals running sloooow In-Reply-To: <200507040216.j642Gusi030288@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <42C6E753.5080805@riverdale.k12.or.us> <200507040216.j642Gusi030288@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <774593a2050703203515626007@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have just noticed that our terminals are running slow now. I think the > usage has increase over the last week with more people using openoffice > writer and impress as well as scribus. Some using firefox also. Openoffice > impress has been especially slow. I hope the version of OO is later than 1.12. Earlier version had a problem that the file pspfontcache grew very large and slowed OO. IAC try deleting this file in users home subdirectory for OO. > SATA HD and I think 1 GB RAM (maybe 2 GB how do I check without rebooting?) $free -m will show you how much memory. You can also run top and the first few lines give the memory and usage status. > How can I find out what is making everything slow? Is there some diagnostic > software or log file I can look at? Try iptraf if you feel network slow down / chocking is the issue. Although from specs you have mentioned this should not be so. I did take liberty in snippings. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 4 03:53:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:53:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is part of a conversation that Chuck and I were having off-list....I thought you might want to see it. I use Samba/LDAP...thus all my users have profiles and home directories in one server....my goal is to redirect My Documents to the users /home folder thus enabling stuff to be saved instantly rather than waiting until logoff. Here's what I've found and tried.... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Check this out http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx I can see how I can do this....using Samba/LDAP all my users have a home directory....this lives at /home/username.....the profiles, however, live at /opt/samba/profiles/username.... I do, however, map the users home directory (when logged into Windows) with a login script that looks like this.... REM To set the time when the clients logon to the domain: net time \\10.0.0.234 /set /yes REM REM To map a home directory to drive f: net use f: /home thus....if the suggestion on this page works...I can simply make a registry change and point "My Documents" to the users /home folder or a folder within that /home by pointing it simply to drive F: (I hope) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, July 3, 2005 11:47:46 PM Message From: David Trask Subject: Re(4): fileserver smb.conf-Even easier To: cliebow at downeast.net David Trask on Sunday, July 3, 2005 at 11:28 PM +0000 wrote: >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx Are you guys using Windows XP Pro? That's all I have in my building (and 2003 Terminal Server which works the same way)....I tried this method http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310147 while logged into my Windows Terminal Server from home....it works great! I can simply instruct all my users to make the change or...I can create the "default profile" or mandatory profile with this change....My Documents pointed to F: So when my users first log in at the start of the school year...their profile will be initially based on the "default" profile I create and thus it will have all the changes. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Mon Jul 4 15:15:27 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:15:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> David, Chuck and I just did this here and seems to work well in a test environment. We exluded Desktop and My Documents from "Roaming" and instead used a registry script to point them directly at the server. Here is how I did it: -- startup.bat cd p: IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg :END -- mydoc.reg REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet Files;History;Temp;My Documents;Desktop" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" ----- -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting David Trask : > This is part of a conversation that Chuck and I were having off-list....I > thought you might want to see it. I use Samba/LDAP...thus all my users > have profiles and home directories in one server....my goal is to redirect > My Documents to the users /home folder thus enabling stuff to be saved > instantly rather than waiting until logoff. Here's what I've found and > tried.... > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Check this out > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx > I can see how I can do this....using Samba/LDAP all my users have a home > directory....this lives at /home/username.....the profiles, however, live > at /opt/samba/profiles/username.... I do, however, map the users home > directory (when logged into Windows) with a login script that looks like > this.... > > REM To set the time when the clients logon to the domain: > net time \\10.0.0.234 /set /yes > REM > REM To map a home directory to drive f: > net use f: /home > > thus....if the suggestion on this page works...I can simply make a > registry change and point "My Documents" to the users /home folder or a > folder within that /home by pointing it simply to drive F: (I hope) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sunday, July 3, 2005 11:47:46 PM > Message > From: David Trask > Subject: Re(4): fileserver smb.conf-Even easier > To: cliebow at downeast.net > > David Trask on Sunday, July 3, 2005 at 11:28 PM +0000 wrote: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx > > Are you guys using Windows XP Pro? That's all I have in my building (and > 2003 Terminal Server which works the same way)....I tried this method > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310147 while > logged into my Windows Terminal Server from home....it works great! I can > simply instruct all my users to make the change or...I can create the > "default profile" or mandatory profile with this change....My Documents > pointed to F: So when my users first log in at the start of the school > year...their profile will be initially based on the "default" profile I > create and thus it will have all the changes. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From hendersonh at unit5.org Mon Jul 4 15:33:01 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:33:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do this with our Netware servers. It works very well. But, I would suggest you redirect to a folder such as. /home/username/Documents This works better because some Apps use a directory path instead of just a Drive letter. They add a hash (\) at the end of the path. With Personal mapping to something like H:\ this adds \ to become H:\\ Adobe apps had problems with this early on. What to redirect. This is Profile based. Local Users>Software>Microsoft>Windows Current Version>Explorer> Two directories hold personal reg paths. Change here, History, Favorites, Personal, Desktop etc. -- Heath Henderson Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- We map Folks an H Drive. They all receive the H Drive (their personal drive). But, within there are a set of Directories mapped On 7/3/05 10:53 PM, "David Trask" wrote: > This is part of a conversation that Chuck and I were having off-list....I > thought you might want to see it. I use Samba/LDAP...thus all my users > have profiles and home directories in one server....my goal is to redirect > My Documents to the users /home folder thus enabling stuff to be saved > instantly rather than waiting until logoff. Here's what I've found and > tried.... > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Check this out > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx > I can see how I can do this....using Samba/LDAP all my users have a home > directory....this lives at /home/username.....the profiles, however, live > at /opt/samba/profiles/username.... I do, however, map the users home > directory (when logged into Windows) with a login script that looks like > this.... > > REM To set the time when the clients logon to the domain: > net time \\10.0.0.234 /set /yes > REM > REM To map a home directory to drive f: > net use f: /home > > thus....if the suggestion on this page works...I can simply make a > registry change and point "My Documents" to the users /home folder or a > folder within that /home by pointing it simply to drive F: (I hope) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sunday, July 3, 2005 11:47:46 PM > Message > From: David Trask > Subject: Re(4): fileserver smb.conf-Even easier > To: cliebow at downeast.net > > David Trask on Sunday, July 3, 2005 at 11:28 PM +0000 wrote: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/honeycutt.mspx > > Are you guys using Windows XP Pro? That's all I have in my building (and > 2003 Terminal Server which works the same way)....I tried this method > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310147 while > logged into my Windows Terminal Server from home....it works great! I can > simply instruct all my users to make the change or...I can create the > "default profile" or mandatory profile with this change....My Documents > pointed to F: So when my users first log in at the start of the school > year...their profile will be initially based on the "default" profile I > create and thus it will have all the changes. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Jul 4 17:24:08 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:24:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals running sloooow In-Reply-To: <774593a2050703203515626007@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050704172408.31A1F58C05E@smtp-out.free.net.nz> Very handy thanks. It seems I only have 1 GB of memory. I will boost that to 2 GB. I also noticed the following when I ran top PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 16907 dilip 39 18 81308 6828 28m R 45.6 0.7 13478:09 firefox-bin 7226 suki 39 18 30408 1196 1932 R 45.6 0.1 5162:57 gnuchess 21402 krsnendu 15 0 13740 6428 6300 S 2.2 0.6 0:11.14 nxagent The top two processes have been using a lot of CPU for a long time from what I can see. These user are certainly not logged on. They are primary school students and it is 5am. Right now. What causes these processes to linger and how do I get rid of them. In this case I typed kill 16907 kill 7226 and it got rid of them. I guess that will help things go a bit faster. Am I on the right track? Some background on what top tells me would be very helpful. We have version 1.1.2 Is that ok or should I upgrade to a more recent version? And if so how do I do it? Up2date doesn't always seem to work. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 3:35 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Terminals running sloooow On 7/4/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have just noticed that our terminals are running slow now. I think the > usage has increase over the last week with more people using openoffice > writer and impress as well as scribus. Some using firefox also. Openoffice > impress has been especially slow. I hope the version of OO is later than 1.12. Earlier version had a problem that the file pspfontcache grew very large and slowed OO. IAC try deleting this file in users home subdirectory for OO. > SATA HD and I think 1 GB RAM (maybe 2 GB how do I check without rebooting?) $free -m will show you how much memory. You can also run top and the first few lines give the memory and usage status. > How can I find out what is making everything slow? Is there some diagnostic > software or log file I can look at? Try iptraf if you feel network slow down / chocking is the issue. Although from specs you have mentioned this should not be so. I did take liberty in snippings. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 23:01:06 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:31:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals running sloooow In-Reply-To: <20050704172408.31A1F58C05E@smtp-out.free.net.nz> References: <774593a2050703203515626007@mail.gmail.com> <20050704172408.31A1F58C05E@smtp-out.free.net.nz> Message-ID: <774593a205070416015265eb61@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: [SNIP] > The top two processes have been using a lot of CPU for a long time from what > I can see. These user are certainly not logged on. They are primary school > students and it is 5am. Right now. What causes these processes to linger and > how do I get rid of them. In the file /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp edit the line from purge proceesses no to yes. Now wehenever the user logs out all process will be cleanly stopped. > Some background on what top tells me would be very helpful. "man top" is your best friend. > We have version 1.1.2 Is that ok or should I upgrade to a more recent > version? Should be okay. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 5 01:12:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:12:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I plan to point it to a "My Documents" folder in the /home dir as you mentioned below...good catch about the trailing slash. I'm not so sure about redirecting the rest of the profile as that stuff would probably still not sync until logout...right? Thus I gain nothing....the Profiles currently still live on the same server....If I wanted to...I could simply set up my smbldap configuration to have the Profiles live within the home dirs instead of /opt/samba/profiles/$USERNAME....I could do /home/profile/$USERNAME....but there's something about having Windows profiles in the same location that gives me the heebie-jeebies....having the profiles seperate from the home directory makes is less apt for the user to "accidentally" delete it....the only drawback is the "instant saving" piece. We use DeepFreeze to keep the workstation tamper-proof....things "appear to save" locally, but once the machine is rebooted....it's gone....including any local profile stuff. So if for any reason the logoff process (when the docs and settings actually get moved to the profile on the server) gets interrupted or whatever....the current documents created during the current session would be lost. The advantage to remapping the "My Documents" directory to a mapped drive is that the docs would be saved immediately instead of upon logout. With the exeception possibly of "Favorites"...the rest is not "mission critical" and thus I don't care too much about it. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, July 4, 2005 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >I do this with our Netware servers. It works very well. But, I would >suggest you redirect to a folder such as. > >/home/username/Documents > >This works better because some Apps use a directory path instead of just a >Drive letter. They add a hash (\) at the end of the path. With Personal >mapping to something like H:\ this adds \ to become H:\\ > >Adobe apps had problems with this early on. > >What to redirect. This is Profile based. Local >Users>Software>Microsoft>Windows Current Version>Explorer> Two directories >hold personal reg paths. Change here, History, Favorites, Personal, >Desktop etc. > > >-- >Heath Henderson >Technology Administrator >McLean County Unit 5 Schools >Normal, IL 61761 >-- > > > >We map Folks an H Drive. They all receive the H Drive (their personal >drive). > >But, within there are a set of Directories mapped David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 5 01:18:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:18:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: Very cool! One question (having not tried it yet, but merely trying to visualize)....does the regedit command run every time or just once and then if the keys are in place it doesn't run? (I'm assuming it runs everytime) I'm curious about the speed of the login script...do you find it to run pretty quickly? This is cool...thanks for sharing....you should consider "wiki-ing" it at LTSP.org or preferably K12LTSP.org as many folks could use this tweak! :-) Attaboy! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, July 4, 2005 at 11:15 AM +0000 wrote: >David, > >Chuck and I just did this here and seems to work well in a test >environment. We >exluded Desktop and My Documents from "Roaming" and instead used a >registry >script to point them directly at the server. > >Here is how I did it: >-- >startup.bat > >cd p: >IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" >IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg >:END >-- >mydoc.reg > >REGEDIT4 > >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] >"ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >Files;History;Temp;My >Documents;Desktop" > >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >Folders] >"Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >"Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User > >Shell >Folders] >"Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >"Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Tue Jul 5 01:25:21 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:25:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> It does run everytime, but seems to go very quickly. I'm sure a test could be written to make it happen only on the first login. One thing I have noticed, though, is that if a user already has a profile on the machine, the changes the script makes don't take effect until they log out and log back in. However, if it is the first time the user has logged into a certain machine the changes happen immediately. I'm curious if the post that Heath made applies here? Should I instead use a path like \\server\%username%\My Documents to map that directory? Or is P:\My Doc sufficient? Also, we are putting the profiles and the home dir in /home/username on the same server. I'm not sure what issues will come up, but I'm fairly confident the majority of users will just save their stuff in My Docs and be fairly oblivious to the fact they can even access a P:\ in My Computer, thus most will never even see the other stuff in their home drive (access from Linux may be the exception here, I'm not sure exactly how that'll look). -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting David Trask : > Very cool! One question (having not tried it yet, but merely trying to > visualize)....does the regedit command run every time or just once and > then if the keys are in place it doesn't run? (I'm assuming it runs > everytime) I'm curious about the speed of the login script...do you find > it to run pretty quickly? This is cool...thanks for sharing....you should > consider "wiki-ing" it at LTSP.org or preferably K12LTSP.org as many folks > could use this tweak! :-) Attaboy! > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, July 4, 2005 at 11:15 AM +0000 wrote: >> David, >> >> Chuck and I just did this here and seems to work well in a test >> environment. We >> exluded Desktop and My Documents from "Roaming" and instead used a >> registry >> script to point them directly at the server. >> >> Here is how I did it: >> -- >> startup.bat >> >> cd p: >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >> regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg >> :END >> -- >> mydoc.reg >> >> REGEDIT4 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] >> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >> Files;History;Temp;My >> Documents;Desktop" >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User >> >> Shell >> Folders] >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 5 03:13:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:13:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> < > <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: The profile directory is hidden....in Linux....but often shows in Windows. I had a user once start browsing in My Computer....saw the profiles directory and decided it wasn't necessary....so they deleted some of it....enough to corrupt the profile. By having it in /opt/samba/profiles (and that directory is NOT shared or at least not browesable) it doesn't show up for the user...they don't know it's there and thus cannot delete it. With the exception of favorites....or maybe stuff they might save on the Desktop....most of the important stuff will be in My Documents....and thus saved wherever it is mapped to in /home. I would try to leave it with P:\My Documents for now....test it out this summer....if it doesn't work....change it. In fact, you can change at any time....even during the school year simply by editing the startup.bat file in netlogon. The next time they login the new values will be used. As for backing up? I currently have a simple backup script that creates a directory called "Win-backup" in the users /home dir....it then makes a tarball of the users /opt/samba/profiles/username (aka the users profile directory) and copies it to the Win-Backup directory...then I make a tar file of the users entire /home directory and copy it to another server mounted via NFS....making tar files allows me to preserve the permissions....thus if I have to rebuild the server....so ling as the usernames are the same....I can simply copy the tar file back and expand it in place. Works great as I've had to do it before. Re-running the user creation script again after you expand the tar file helps to make sure all the perms are OK....may not be necessary, but I do it anyway. I have include my script below....it's pretty simplistic, but works very well and very fast. You can see I only backup the My Documents file, Desktop, and Favorites....I don't care about the rest....if the server goes down and I have to restore from backup...I just tell my users that their Windows docs are now in the "win-backup" folder and they can go get them from there. My users are pretty savvy about that stuff now. ############### !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Now let's archive everything for safe-keeping" cd /home/${x}/win-backup zip -r july4 * ##################################################################### ####This next line was to clear the backup directories initially##### ##################################################################### #rm -Rf /mnt/backup/homebackup/home/${x}/dec12.zip ##################################################################### cp -f july4.zip /mnt/backup/homebackup/home/${x}/ cd /home/${x}/ echo "Making an archive of all files in the home directory and backing them up" tar -czvf /mnt/backup/homebackup/home/${x}/july4.tgz --exclude july4.zip * echo "Now we'll remove the zip file to save space" cd /home/${x}/win-backup rm -f july4.zip done ###################### "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, July 4, 2005 at 9:25 PM +0000 wrote: >It does run everytime, but seems to go very quickly. I'm sure a test >could be >written to make it happen only on the first login. One thing I have >noticed, >though, is that if a user already has a profile on the machine, the >changes the >script makes don't take effect until they log out and log back in. >However, if >it is the first time the user has logged into a certain machine the >changes >happen immediately. > >I'm curious if the post that Heath made applies here? Should I instead >use a >path like \\server\%username%\My Documents to map that directory? Or is >P:\My >Doc sufficient? > >Also, we are putting the profiles and the home dir in /home/username on >the same >server. I'm not sure what issues will come up, but I'm fairly confident >the >majority of users will just save their stuff in My Docs and be fairly >oblivious >to the fact they can even access a P:\ in My Computer, thus most will >never even >see the other stuff in their home drive (access from Linux may be the >exception >here, I'm not sure exactly how that'll look). David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jul 5 11:25:55 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:25:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS and openoffice Message-ID: <42CA6E43.609@msln.net> I've made progress on AD auth and have 2 issuesleft. I'm using the centos4 k12ltsp install and authing against a win2k server. Everything works except for any of the edutainment that uses a dcopserver and OO components. The first error says to check that the dcopserver is running..It isn't. And I'm not sure how to. The second, OO, Fails to open. it states it can not exec "/home/k12ltsp/.rhopenoffice1.1/soffice" can't find file or directory at /usr/bin/oowriter line 448. Line 448 is the exec "$UserInstallDir/soffice", @ooo argv. Any ideas? I thought maybe the install is done by a different user, but it does not say permission denied. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jul 5 11:28:14 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:28:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ads auth Message-ID: <42CA6ECE.5000009@msln.net> If AD has to be used, Which is better for linux integration, win2k server or win2003 server? -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jul 5 12:17:09 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:17:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS and openoffice In-Reply-To: <42CA6E43.609@msln.net> References: <42CA6E43.609@msln.net> Message-ID: <42CA7A45.3080107@msln.net> Duh, I didn't think that there would be a setup log on the 2kserver in the user directory. oo failed to create short cuts to the linux path of /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program/soffice to the user home directory on the server. Is it even possible to create links on a win volume? I tried creating by hand the sim link, it said operation not permitted. I tried copying the file to the server, It stays for a few seconds and then disapears, deleted I suppose. Any help appreciated Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I've made progress on AD auth and have 2 issuesleft. I'm using the > centos4 k12ltsp install and authing against a win2k server. Everything > works except for any of the edutainment that uses a dcopserver and OO > components. The first error says to check that the dcopserver is > running..It isn't. And I'm not sure how to. The second, OO, Fails to > open. it states it can not exec > "/home/k12ltsp/.rhopenoffice1.1/soffice" can't find file or directory > at /usr/bin/oowriter line 448. Line 448 is the exec > "$UserInstallDir/soffice", @ooo argv. Any ideas? I thought maybe the > install is done by a different user, but it does not say permission > denied. > Mark > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From kevin_myer at iu13.org Tue Jul 5 13:47:02 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:47:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard X-Forwarded-For patch? Message-ID: <20050705094702.50g3w2i8t7oks4c4@webapps.iu13.org> Hello, Has anyone coded up a patch for Squidguard so that it will log the X-Forwarded-For IP, instead of the actual IP (which will always be the loopback interface in our configuration)? There's a patch for Squid to log the X-Forwarded-For IP when used with DansGuardian (http://dansguardian.org/downloads/squidxforwardloggingpatch25S1.txt) and I was hoping someone had a similar need for Squidguard. Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From kevin_myer at iu13.org Tue Jul 5 13:57:31 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:57:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? Message-ID: <20050705095731.treb4t5zyo51s8g4@webapps.iu13.org> Quoting : > Our other concern is that since we're leaving an Exchange environment, we need a > shared calendar solution. I was looking at possibly outsourcing to a company > like Trumba , but I was hoping to find something similar > to it that is either cheap or free, and we can host on-site. Anyone have any > ideas? Hi Nick, We're just downstate of you in the Susquehanna valley :) I'd second (or third) the suggestions to use Horde. It has all the functionality needed to be a complete web-based groupware suite. And its strength is its decoupled from any operating system or backend system, in the sense that its really a frontend and framework for tying together all kinds of systems. So you can use it with existing systems and there's no need to replace all your backend systems. We are in the process of rolling this out to our organization and I couldn't be more pleased with the software. You'll want to make sure you try out the FRAMEWORK_3 release (Horde 3.X, IMP 4.X, Kronolith 2.X, Ingo 1.X, Turba 2.X). Kronolith 2.X is the calendar component that supports shared calendaring. I'm curious if others on the list are using Horde in some fashion? Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 5 13:59:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:59:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades Message-ID: <001e01c58169$ce010650$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Is there a recommended way to upgrade the smb-ldap installer? Say I was running version 1.2 on a production server and I wanted to install the new 1.2.2 version, what would this impact? Would simply running the ./smb-ldap.pl just update things, or will this wipe out current configs and potentially break the server. I don't have a production server in place yet but want to get these questions out of the way. One reason would be say I was up and running, but now the new version had quota support, I want to know how to safely bring my production server up to speed with the quota support without breaking things. I am sure this will be an ongoing thing as usage progresses. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Jul 5 14:11:00 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:11:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? Message-ID: <20050705141100.24822.qmail@webmail12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 5 15:51:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:51:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <001e01c58169$ce010650$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001e01c58169$ce010650$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 at 9:59 AM wrote: >Is there a recommended way to upgrade the smb-ldap installer? Say I was >running version 1.2 on a production server and I wanted to install the >new 1.2.2 version, what would this impact? Would simply running the >./smb-ldap.pl just update things, or will this wipe out current configs >and potentially break the server. > >I don't have a production server in place yet but want to get these >questions out of the way. One reason would be say I was up and running, >but now the new version had quota support, I want to know how to safely >bring my production server up to speed with the quota support without >breaking things. I am sure this will be an ongoing thing as usage >progresses. > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 5 15:51:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:51:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <001e01c58169$ce010650$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001e01c58169$ce010650$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 at 9:59 AM wrote: >Is there a recommended way to upgrade the smb-ldap installer? Say I was >running version 1.2 on a production server and I wanted to install the >new 1.2.2 version, what would this impact? Would simply running the >./smb-ldap.pl just update things, or will this wipe out current configs >and potentially break the server. > >I don't have a production server in place yet but want to get these >questions out of the way. One reason would be say I was up and running, >but now the new version had quota support, I want to know how to safely >bring my production server up to speed with the quota support without >breaking things. I am sure this will be an ongoing thing as usage >progresses. > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 5 16:04:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:04:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c5817b$41db51a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing on a production box. Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of commands to set quotas on a default user? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 5 16:49:24 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:49:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need some specific SAMBA/LDAP Help Message-ID: <42CABA14.5010309@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm hoping that some of you more experienced with this stuff can help me out. I want to move my NT domain to a SAMBA/LDAP setup, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I've got two Windows NT machines that are currently serving as a PDC and BDC. Both have user files on them- one for HS/Admin and one for MS/ES. I want to dump the BDC/MS/ES machine and move everyone's accounts and personal files to the PDC/HS/Admin machine after I've installed Linux on it. What's the best way to go about this? Here's what I had in mind, please tell me if it's dumb. I thought I'd move the drives out of the PDC and put them into a lesser machine temporarily, then upgrade the existing machine as necessary (more RAM and a RAID- it's already a Dual Xeon). Then let the SAMBA/LDAP script pull all of the existing user information from the NT installation on the temporary machine (it does do that, right?). Then I would need to move the users data into the newly-created /Home directory and set the appropriate permissions. Is there an efficient way of doing this for about 900 users? Next I would need to "Promote" the new SAMBA/LDAP machine to be the PDC and decommission the old BDC. I'm a relative Linux newbie here, so talk slow. ;) -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If moral behavior were simply following rules, we could program a computer to be moral." -- Samuel P. Ginder From bill at computassist.com Tue Jul 5 22:13:29 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:13:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New K12LTSP server - squidGuard doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <42CABA14.5010309@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42CABA14.5010309@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050705171329.62f70f9b@localhost.localdomain> I can't get any result from squidGuard. Following the test procedure at http://www.squidguard.org/install/ (Step 10), I get only empty output for all three types of tests. This is on K12LTSP release 4.4.0-2. I've tried using my .conf file, and /dev/null. Results are the same: --------------- [root at ltsp ~]# /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf < test.pass <(--- this is just a blank line! ---) [root at ltsp ~]# --------------- [root at ltsp ~]# /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /dev/null < test.pass <(--- this is just a blank line! ---) [root at ltsp ~]# --------------- The contents of test.pass: --------------- http://www.computassist.com/ 68.96.25.232/www.computassist.com - GET --------------- My squidGuard.conf file has one acl, set to pass all. It seems like the squidGuard program itself isn't working on this box. I don't think it has anything to do with ports or addresses at this stage, as I'm testing the local program, from the command line. Any suggestions? -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed Jul 6 06:43:03 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:43:03 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? In-Reply-To: <20050705171329.62f70f9b@localhost.localdomain> References: <42CABA14.5010309@honeygroveisd.net> <20050705171329.62f70f9b@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050706164303.64ot3ccldev48kss@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, Our school just received a demo disk for Max's Toolbox - three kiddy friendly programs - MaxWrite, MaxShow, and MaxCount, simple versions of word, powerpoint and excel. We use OpenOffice here quite successfully, but these programs look really good for the junior school - I was just wondering if there was anything similar but in a linux flavour? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 6 13:37:44 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:37:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> < > <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <20050706093744.mubu32sxnda80wss@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Ok, new issue. Now that I have redirected My Documents and Desktop to the network location, any files deleted from Desktop or My Documents do not go into the Recycle Bin. I've tried using P:\My Documents and \\puffin\homes\my documents and neither works. Any thoughts? -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 6 13:47:15 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:47:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? Message-ID: <20050706134715.27890.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patricksawyer at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 13:49:13 2005 From: patricksawyer at gmail.com (Patrick Sawyer) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:49:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Message-ID: <8ae10c1005070606495442bed2@mail.gmail.com> I just installed k12linux. Looking forward to setting up clients. I am wondering about VNC. How do I start/configure the server? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Wed Jul 6 13:57:15 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? In-Reply-To: <20050706134715.27890.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20050706134715.27890.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does anyone have any good recommendations for text books to cover > OpenOffice?? We are going to be implementing this in our school to teach > word processing and spread sheets. I've been using the OpenOffice.org resource kit Solveig Haugland/Floyd Jones Prentice Hall Books bit pricy for school maybe but very comprehensive and actually readable and understandable for a computer book it isn't perfect but if more books were written this clearly I would probably buy a lot more books Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 6 14:12:12 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:12:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Message-ID: <20050706141212.30290.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 6 14:23:51 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:23:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? In-Reply-To: References: <20050706134715.27890.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <42CBE977.3040605@maltzen.net> Solveig also has some individual workbooks for the different parts of OOo for use in training classes, and the lab files are available for free download. She has a section for schools and universities, and mentions "bulk" pricing. Her site is www.getopenoffice.org. Petre Access Systems wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > >>Does anyone have any good recommendations for text books to cover >>OpenOffice?? We are going to be implementing this in our school to teach >>word processing and spread sheets. > > > > I've been using the > OpenOffice.org resource kit > Solveig Haugland/Floyd Jones > Prentice Hall Books > > > bit pricy for school maybe but very comprehensive and actually readable > and understandable for a computer book > > it isn't perfect but if more books were written this clearly I would > probably buy a lot more books > > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Jul 6 15:18:26 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:18:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp rpms for Centos4 Message-ID: <42CBF642.2040209@cox-internet.com> Is there a place to download just the rpms to add k12ltsp to an existing Centos 4 installation? I have a mini-itx server-wireless access point running Centos 4 that I travel with (I am on vacation). Since I do not carry a spare monitor with me it would be nice to pxeboot my Toshiba laptop to access the server using ltsp. I know there are k12ltsp rpms for FC4, but are there specific rpms for Centos 4? Dan From patricksawyer at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:05:58 2005 From: patricksawyer at gmail.com (Patrick Sawyer) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:05:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's Message-ID: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> Ive read the how to with regards to setting legacy pcs up as clients with k12linux. I was wondering if anyone has any tips that they would like to share. Also how old is legacy? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 6 16:14:50 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:14:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's Message-ID: <20050706161450.4219.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 6 16:18:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:18:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's In-Reply-To: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42CC0445.3050009@maltzen.net> The rule of thumb is a Pentium class machine is the 'lowest' you want to use for clients. Machines with 486 chips can be made to work, but they tend to be frustratingly sluggish at best, and since they often don't have PCI slots, getting the NIC and sound cards recognized is much harder. A 100mhz Pentium with 32MB of RAM will work very nicely. I recall that someone on the list did some benchmarks a couple years ago, and found that there wasn't any benefit for the client to be any faster than 166mhz and 32MB RAM. Faster, more memory didn't hurt, but the users didn't perceive any better performance. And the performance difference between a 75mhz client and 166mhz client is small. Petre Patrick Sawyer wrote: > Ive read the how to with regards to setting legacy pcs up as clients with > k12linux. > I was wondering if anyone has any tips that they would like to share. > > Also how old is legacy? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 6 16:18:40 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:18:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's In-Reply-To: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42CC0460.5070400@sages.us> Legacy is PDO (Pretty Damn Old). I have done K12LTSP with Pentium 100's. Suggestions: 1) If you can, get all of the clients to be the same make and model. If that is not possible, try to get all of the NICs the same. 2) Make sure your monitors can handle the expected resolution. (We fought this one for about 4 hours once before we found the problem.) 3) A new NIC is cheaper than a new PC. 4) PXE works very well. 5) If you have to use a floppy boot disk, pull the floppy back into the case. Do not let students remove the floppy. Also, have spare boot floppies prepared and ready. It works. Patrick Sawyer wrote: > Ive read the how to with regards to setting legacy pcs up as clients > with k12linux. > I was wondering if anyone has any tips that they would like to share. > > Also how old is legacy? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Jul 6 16:19:35 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:19:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp rpms for Centos4 Message-ID: <42CC0497.2020209@cox-internet.com> On second thought, never mind. The mini-itx has only one nic! Bad idea. Dan From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 6 16:49:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:49:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's In-Reply-To: <42CC0445.3050009@maltzen.net> References: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> <42CC0445.3050009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1120668568.5571.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 11:18, Petre Scheie wrote: > The rule of thumb is a Pentium class machine is the 'lowest' you want to use for > clients. Machines with 486 chips can be made to work, but they tend to be frustratingly > sluggish at best, and since they often don't have PCI slots, getting the NIC and sound > cards recognized is much harder. A 100mhz Pentium with 32MB of RAM will work very > nicely. I recall that someone on the list did some benchmarks a couple years ago, and > found that there wasn't any benefit for the client to be any faster than 166mhz and 32MB > RAM. Faster, more memory didn't hurt, but the users didn't perceive any better > performance. And the performance difference between a 75mhz client and 166mhz client is > small. I'd expect a more visible difference in client speed from the quality of the video card and how well it's X driver works. Are there any published benchmarks that apply to old cards with current drivers? -- Les Mikesell les at futuesource.com From moquist at majen.net Wed Jul 6 17:44:05 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:44:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades > > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some > > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up > > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I > > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it > > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern > > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what > > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. > > When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when > finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing > on a production box. > > Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script > want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of > commands to set quotas on a default user? > > Thanks Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you 1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, 2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), 3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and 4) read your DB back into LDAP. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 6 17:49:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:49:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: <002b01c58253$1d60d970$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP > Installer doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! > It makes timestamped backups of all the config files it > overwrites, but you definitely shouldn't run it on a > production system that already has users (at least not > without some careful planning and preparation). > > If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you > 1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, > 2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), > 3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and > 4) read your DB back into LDAP. Thanks for the info Matt. How about those tips for using quotas? I see the script is looking for a default user, do you have a recommended procedure for setting this default user or is that up to me to decide? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Jul 6 22:22:16 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:22:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? Message-ID: <070620052222.6940.42CC59980009F02300001B1C22007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I have been following the thread on the SMBLDAP installer, so I tried it on a straight Fedora Core 4 x86_64 install (actually I need it as well). I 'simply copied the fedora-core-3 section in the distro.pm, and then manually added every rpm that the script said could not be found using the fc4 equiv. But ... I have two rpm checks that I can't get satisfied. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm...not found. ... Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not found. ... I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm (located on cd #4 of the distro media) I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm (included with t his script) Now, I have perl-Net_SSLeay-1.25 installed e.g. rpm -q perl-Net-SSLeay perl-Net-SSLeay-1.25-2.2.fc4.rf And, the k12ltsp will not install with error: rpm -Uvh perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm warning: perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY , key ID f1a2ded5 error: Failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.4 is needed by perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386 libssl.so.4 is needed by perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386 But, I have openssl-0.9.7f-7 installed which I thought added these librarie. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 6 23:07:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:07:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 Message-ID: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> The only bug report for K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre3 that I spotted was that VNC was not turned on by default. I fixed that bug and included the latest-n-greatest official Fedora updates. If no show-stopping bugs are reported by next week, this will become the official 4.4.0 release. You can grab the pre-release ISOs at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 7 00:07:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: Matt, Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting from the hip.... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some >> > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up >> > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I >> > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it >> > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern >> > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what >> > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. >> >> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when >> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing >> on a production box. >> >> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script >> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of >> commands to set quotas on a default user? >> >> Thanks > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). > >If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >4) read your DB back into LDAP. > >--matt > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 7 00:07:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: Matt, Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting from the hip.... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some >> > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up >> > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I >> > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it >> > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern >> > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what >> > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. >> >> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when >> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing >> on a production box. >> >> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script >> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of >> commands to set quotas on a default user? >> >> Thanks > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). > >If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >4) read your DB back into LDAP. > >--matt > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jul 6 23:59:55 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:59:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades Message-ID: <200507070207.j6727hp11540@downeast.net> david: seems a great idea and seemingly trivial to do..it does get to the point sometime ehere users have to know something about how it all works..\> Matt, > > Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the > user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, > run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the > way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back > in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting > from the hip.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: > > > >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" > >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades > >> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some > >> > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up > >> > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I > >> > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it > >> > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern > >> > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what > >> > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. > >> > >> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when > >> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing > >> on a production box. > >> > >> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script > >> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of > >> commands to set quotas on a default user? > >> > >> Thanks > > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer > >doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes > >timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you > >definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has > >users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). > > > >If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you > >1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, > >2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), > >3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and > >4) read your DB back into LDAP. > > > >--matt > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 7 00:04:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:04:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades Message-ID: <200507070211.j672Bup12127@downeast.net> have you used gq in fc3 or rhel4??..i am using the fc3 version on rhel4 and cant seem to get anything useful at all out of it,,,ldapbrowser continues to be tried and true..chuck > Matt, > > Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the > user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, > run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the > way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back > in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting > from the hip.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: > > > >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" > >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades > >> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some > >> > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up > >> > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I > >> > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it > >> > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern > >> > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what > >> > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. > >> > >> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when > >> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing > >> on a production box. > >> > >> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script > >> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of > >> commands to set quotas on a default user? > >> > >> Thanks > > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer > >doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes > >timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you > >definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has > >users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). > > > >If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you > >1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, > >2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), > >3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and > >4) read your DB back into LDAP. > > > >--matt > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From moquist at majen.net Thu Jul 7 00:32:06 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:32:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> Ooooooooo I'm working on version 2.0 right now. I think it's nearing completion, but I haven't started testing yet. It will theoretically support any distro, though distros without the authconfig utility (non-RH-based distros, AFAICT) will have some rather complex PAM configuration to do by hand. --matt David Trask wrote: [Wed Jul 06 2005, 08:07:00PM EDT] > Matt, > > Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the > user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, > run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the > way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back > in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting > from the hip.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: > > > >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" > >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades > >> > You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some > >> > weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up > >> > anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I > >> > can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it > >> > "merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern > >> > would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what > >> > happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. > >> > >> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when > >> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing > >> on a production box. > >> > >> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script > >> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of > >> commands to set quotas on a default user? > >> > >> Thanks > > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer > >doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes > >timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you > >definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has > >users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). > > > >If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you > >1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, > >2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), > >3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and > >4) read your DB back into LDAP. > > > >--matt > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > David N. 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There will be little changed from the current 4.2.1EL "testing" ISOs, mostly just the official updates since the last ISOs were built. -Eric From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Jul 7 02:16:01 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:16:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP just like it does with the Fedora Core versions? Will this version have its own repository of updates? Will it use CentOS's repositories? When I last tried CentOS, their repositories were unusably slow. Maybe that has been fixed. Joe Guenther Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > >> Thus my question is - What is the state of the 4.2.1EL version that you >> have posted under "testing" I am in the process of downloading that and >> hopefully that will work for us. Trying in my feeble understanding of >> linux to integrate the EL and LTSP, I sure value the work you do to >> integrate all the K12 stuff with LTSP and the various versions of FC. > > > I'm doing a final "pre-release" build of 4.2.1EL right now. Should be > uploaded in a couple of hours if all goes well. > > There will be little changed from the current 4.2.1EL "testing" ISOs, > mostly just the official updates since the last ISOs were built. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:42cc8be9221481879316740! > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 7 02:57:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP just like it > does with the Fedora Core versions? Yes. > Will this version have its own repository > of updates? Yes. > Will it use CentOS's repositories? Yes. >When I last tried CentOS, > their repositories were unusably slow. Maybe that has been fixed. The K12LTSP 4.2.1EL repository includes the CentOS base OS & update repositories. If it is too slow for you, you could always disable those repos: edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add "enabled=0" to any repos you don't want to use. They have seemed to be okay to me. -Eric From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Jul 7 03:07:35 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:07:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <42CC9C77.2010706@chinooksedge.ab.ca> EXCELLENT - like I said, you really are doing a GREAT job. Now off for a few days of holidays to watch my son play a provincial soccer championship and then back to the world of school servers. I'll get those iso's when I get back next week. :-) Joe Guenther Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > >> Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP >> just like it does with the Fedora Core versions? > > > Yes. > >> Will this version have its own repository of updates? > > > Yes. > >> Will it use CentOS's repositories? > > > Yes. > >> When I last tried CentOS, their repositories were unusably slow. >> Maybe that has been fixed. > > > The K12LTSP 4.2.1EL repository includes the CentOS base OS & update > repositories. If it is too slow for you, you could always disable > those repos: edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add "enabled=0" > to any repos you don't want to use. > > They have seemed to be okay to me. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:42cc9a43261862503416752! > From samps at unplugd.com Thu Jul 7 03:36:35 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:06:35 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? In-Reply-To: <20050706164303.64ot3ccldev48kss@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <42CABA14.5010309@honeygroveisd.net> <20050705171329.62f70f9b@localhost.localdomain> <20050706164303.64ot3ccldev48kss@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <42CCA343.3000808@unplugd.com> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi All, > > Our school just received a demo disk for Max's Toolbox - three kiddy > friendly > programs - MaxWrite, MaxShow, and MaxCount, simple versions of word, > powerpoint > and excel. We use OpenOffice here quite successfully, but these programs > look > really good for the junior school - I was just wondering if there was > anything > similar but in a linux flavour? > > > Thanks, > > Debbie There is. Check out StarOffice 4 Kids, http://so4k.kippdata.de/ It is written for StarOffice, but I've had it working with OOo 1.1 cheers Samps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 1/07/2005 From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 04:29:28 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:59:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's In-Reply-To: <1120668568.5571.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3@mail.gmail.com> <42CC0445.3050009@maltzen.net> <1120668568.5571.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <774593a20507062129671c5718@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 11:18, Petre Scheie wrote: > > The rule of thumb is a Pentium class machine is the 'lowest' you want to use for > > clients. Machines with 486 chips can be made to work, but they tend to be frustratingly > > sluggish at best, and since they often don't have PCI slots, getting the NIC and sound > > cards recognized is much harder. A 100mhz Pentium with 32MB of RAM will work very > > nicely. I recall that someone on the list did some benchmarks a couple years ago, and > > found that there wasn't any benefit for the client to be any faster than 166mhz and 32MB > > RAM. Faster, more memory didn't hurt, but the users didn't perceive any better > > performance. And the performance difference between a 75mhz client and 166mhz client is > > small. > > I'd expect a more visible difference in client speed from the quality of > the video card and how well it's X driver works. Are there any > published benchmarks that apply to old cards with current drivers? >From personal experience I found almost all P-1's able to run as terminals with following observations: 1. Client RAM 32Mb Plus SWAP enabled for 64Mb 2. Display cards with 2Mb VidRAM 3. Monitors - hard to describe but trade off is between price and resolution. 4. Try not to use floppies but burn EPROM and use on NIC card. 5. Clients with RAM as low as 8Mb will work with SWAP enabled but will slow down drastically if any heavy application is launched. Good enough for browsing only. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 7 04:46:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1EL pre-release #2 Message-ID: The second pre-release build of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL has been uploaded. If no show-stopping bugs are reported by next week, this will become the official 4.2.1EL release. There are two things that need to be verified. The "Add additional software" icon for Acrobat Reader needs to be tested. It works for me, it should work for you as well. Please let me know if you run into problems (besides the huge 36MB download!). Second, the "VNC off by default" bug reported in K12LTSP 4.4.0 may or may not exist in this build. I'll try to test this and possibly fix it tomorrow, if you get to it before I do please post the results! You can grab the 4.2.1EL pre-release ISOs at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . -Eric From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 05:30:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:30:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: On 7/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > There will be little changed from the current 4.2.1EL "testing" ISOs, > mostly just the official updates since the last ISOs were built. That's super. Just in case anyone is interested those updates should include dual core support. You can now buy a Pentium D 2.8Ghz dual core cpu. Then buy a LGA775 motherboard with 4 ram slots max out with 4 gigs-o-ram and dual GB lan and you've got yourself a very affordable server. Note: the new intel 945/955 chipsets have the ICH7 southbridge which has AHCI which has NCQ support of the SATA II spec. Jeff Garzik is currently in the process of adding sata ncq support to the kernel. So I figure it will probably be x-mas by the time Redhat patches RHEL4 to have it. So, no more need for expensive scsi drives. For about $1,400 one can get a complete killer server (monitor included) capable of supporting 40 clients. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brr at brr.no Thu Jul 7 06:13:41 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:13:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No volume control elements Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050707080737.02304cd8@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! Login from a thin client running K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta 3 still gives the following error: "Error: No volume control elements and / or devices found." ESD choosen as sound system. I can play the test sound in "Multimedia Systems Selector". I use Gnome user interface. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 7 14:06:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:06:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <200507070207.j6727hp11540@downeast.net> Message-ID: <003001c582fd$01c06550$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > david: seems a great idea and seemingly trivial to do..it > does get to the point sometime ehere users have to know > something about how it all works.. I think that sounds like a great idea. Not everyone can or has time to know the details of how this stuff works. I really like the idea of the script handling upgrades in this fashion. You have my vote. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 7 14:06:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:06:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <200507070211.j672Bup12127@downeast.net> Message-ID: <003101c582fd$1d625ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > have you used gq in fc3 or rhel4??..i am using the fc3 > version on rhel4 and cant seem to get anything useful at all > out of it,,,ldapbrowser continues to be tried and true..chuck I still have not had any luck in a decent gui to admin things. Maybe I'll give ldapbrowser another shot. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 7 14:24:05 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:24:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> Message-ID: <42CD3B05.8090502@msln.net> Matt, I've edited the distro file and added centos4, copied fc3 settings and then commented out the packages it said it couldn't find. I verified that everything that needed to be there is there. It works better than 1.2.1 for centos4 up to step 18 ldapsearch. In 1.2.1 the slapcat command didn't work. In 2.0a it gives a return. 2.0a ldapsearch errors out with ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1). That ended up being the selinux setting. I have the firewall off and had the se setting at warn. I shut that off and rebooted and I get the SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started : Please enter Password, prompt. I had to change the path to smbldap- tools in the smb.conf file to /usr/sbin/ because I used a rpm that was made for rhel4. I've been able to follow the rest of the directions of 1.2.1 and have no problems. Thankyou for the new script. Mark Matt Oquist wrote: >Ooooooooo > >I'm working on version 2.0 right now. I think it's nearing >completion, but I haven't started testing yet. It will theoretically >support any distro, though distros without the authconfig utility >(non-RH-based distros, AFAICT) will have some rather complex PAM >configuration to do by hand. > >--matt > >David Trask wrote: [Wed Jul 06 2005, 08:07:00PM EDT] > > >>Matt, >> >>Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the >>user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if so, >>run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the >>way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB back >>in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting >>from the hip.... >> >> >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>From: "Jim Kronebusch" >>>>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >>>> >>>> >>>>>You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some >>>>>weird config changes by hand. The script backs everything up >>>>>anyway so you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I >>>>>can't test it at the moment, but I believe Matt has it >>>>>"merging" changes....not overwriting them. The main concern >>>>>would be smb.conf....try it and let me know what >>>>>happens...I'll test myself in a few days and let you know as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any users when >>>>finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad thing >>>>on a production box. >>>> >>>>Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add script >>>>want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of >>>>commands to set quotas on a default user? >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >>>doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >>>timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >>>definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >>>users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). >>> >>>If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >>>1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >>>2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >>>3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >>>4) read your DB back into LDAP. >>> >>>--matt >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>(207)923-3100 >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 7 14:34:22 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:34:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <42CD3D6E.9020104@msln.net> Joe, I have found on dell servers that the fc "series" has glitchy issues. In talking with Dell, it seems to be an issue with the raid controller. The Centos4 distro has run very well for me here on PE 2650, 2600, 800 servers, including the 64 bit version on the pe 800's. I've tried suse 9.2, ubuntu 5.0.4, fc 1/2/3, and solaris 10. Centos4 is stable on the dells. Mark Joe Guenther wrote: > On that same note. I have been trying to install K12LTSP on a new > Dell 1850 server. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jul 7 15:22:42 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:22:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? Message-ID: <20050707152242.26837.qmail@gem-wbe04> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jul 7 15:33:50 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:33:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Alternative to Max's Toolbox? Message-ID: <20050707153350.15054.qmail@webmail12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Thu Jul 7 15:35:29 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:35:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (dahopkins@comcast.net) In-Reply-To: <20050707142435.BF9AF736E9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050707142435.BF9AF736E9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050707153529.GB31903@majen.net> > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:22:16 +0000 > From: dahopkins at comcast.net > Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? > > I have been following the thread on the SMBLDAP installer, so I tried it on a straight Fedora Core 4 x86_64 install (actually I need it as well). > > I 'simply copied the fedora-core-3 section in the distro.pm, and then manually added every rpm that the script said could not be found using the fc4 equiv. But ... I have two rpm checks that I can't get satisfied. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm...not found. > ... > Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not found. > ... > I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm (located on cd #4 of the distro media) > I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm (included with t his script) Yep - I ran into this last night working with K12LTSP-4.4.0-beta, which is based on FC4. In fact, I'd recommend downloading version 2.0-alpha of the Samba/LDAP Installer and trying the K12LTSP-4.4.0-beta installation on FC4; you might have decently good luck. In any case, I suspect the problem here is that the name of the perl-Net_SSLeay package changed to "perl-Net-SSLeay". Now how lame is that? :-p Version 2.0-alpha of the Samba/LDAP Installer (available on the website ATM) *should* be able to get past this problem for you. In any case, with 2.0-alpha you can install the RPMs manually if you want and just run "make configure" to skip all the dependency checking. That should work fine for you. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 7 15:37:30 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:37:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <42CD3B05.8090502@msln.net> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> <42CD3B05.8090502@msln.net> Message-ID: <42CD4C3A.4020001@msln.net> Guess I still have one issue. If I do a ldapsearch it comes back with # SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started # Please enter Password: If I enter the password that I used during setup, I get #ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error (80) #additional info: SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database I've searched the internet and it seams that some sort of database population or PAM auth is needed. I can smbldap-adduser and then check the user and get info and all is ok. I can login under the username. Not sure about the search thing. If I do a ldapsearch -x -b "-s base" "(ObjectClass=*)" , it starts out ok but the search result is #search: 2 #result: 34 Invalid DN syntax #text: invalid DN #numResponses: 1 Any suggestions? Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Matt, > I've edited the distro file and added centos4, copied fc3 settings and > then commented out the packages it said it couldn't find. I verified > that everything that needed to be there is there. It works better than > 1.2.1 for centos4 up to step 18 ldapsearch. In 1.2.1 the slapcat > command didn't work. In 2.0a it gives a return. 2.0a ldapsearch errors > out with ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1). > That ended up being the selinux setting. I have the firewall off and > had the se setting at warn. I shut that off and rebooted and I get the > SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started : Please enter Password, > prompt. I had to change the path to smbldap- tools in the smb.conf > file to /usr/sbin/ because I used a rpm that was made for rhel4. I've > been able to follow the rest of the directions of 1.2.1 and have no > problems. Thankyou for the new script. > Mark > > Matt Oquist wrote: > >> Ooooooooo >> >> I'm working on version 2.0 right now. I think it's nearing >> completion, but I haven't started testing yet. It will theoretically >> support any distro, though distros without the authconfig utility >> (non-RH-based distros, AFAICT) will have some rather complex PAM >> configuration to do by hand. >> >> --matt >> >> David Trask wrote: [Wed Jul 06 2005, 08:07:00PM EDT] >> >> >>> Matt, >>> >>> Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask the >>> user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if >>> so, >>> run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the >>> way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB >>> back >>> in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting >>> from the hip.... >>> >>> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> From: "Jim Kronebusch" >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some weird >>>>>> config changes by hand. The script backs everything up anyway so >>>>>> you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I can't test it >>>>>> at the moment, but I believe Matt has it "merging" changes....not >>>>>> overwriting them. The main concern would be smb.conf....try it >>>>>> and let me know what happens...I'll test myself in a few days and >>>>>> let you know as well. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any >>>>> users when >>>>> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad >>>>> thing >>>>> on a production box. >>>>> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add >>>>> script >>>>> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set of >>>>> commands to set quotas on a default user? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >>>> doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >>>> timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >>>> definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >>>> users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). >>>> >>>> If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >>>> 1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >>>> 2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >>>> 3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >>>> 4) read your DB back into LDAP. >>>> >>>> --matt >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 7 18:55:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:55:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: <42CD4C3A.4020001@msln.net> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> < > < > <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> < > <42CD3B05.8090502@msln.net> <42CD4C3A.4020001@msln.net> Message-ID: Mark.... Did you run all the tests I show in the lower part of the how-to document? Each stage of the test will indicate what may be broken....generally if thay all pass it SHOULD (famous last words) work...otherwise....the tests should give you an indication as to what is broken. The bad news is that I've found that once you find out what's broken you usually have to back up and start over with the LDAP database as everything is co-dependent. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, July 7, 2005 at 11:37 AM wrote: >Guess I still have one issue. If I do a ldapsearch it comes back with > > # SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started > # Please enter Password: > >If I enter the password that I used during setup, I get > >#ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error >(80) >#additional info: SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database > >I've searched the internet and it seams that some sort of database >population or PAM auth is needed. >I can smbldap-adduser and then check the user and get info and all is >ok. I can login under the username. Not sure about the search thing. If >I do a ldapsearch -x -b "-s base" "(ObjectClass=*)" , it starts out ok >but the search result is >#search: 2 >#result: 34 Invalid DN syntax >#text: invalid DN >#numResponses: 1 > >Any suggestions? >Mark > >Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> Matt, >> I've edited the distro file and added centos4, copied fc3 settings and >> then commented out the packages it said it couldn't find. I verified >> that everything that needed to be there is there. It works better than >> 1.2.1 for centos4 up to step 18 ldapsearch. In 1.2.1 the slapcat >> command didn't work. In 2.0a it gives a return. 2.0a ldapsearch errors >> out with ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1). >> That ended up being the selinux setting. I have the firewall off and >> had the se setting at warn. I shut that off and rebooted and I get the >> SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started : Please enter Password, >> prompt. I had to change the path to smbldap- tools in the smb.conf >> file to /usr/sbin/ because I used a rpm that was made for rhel4. I've >> been able to follow the rest of the directions of 1.2.1 and have no >> problems. Thankyou for the new script. >> Mark >> >> Matt Oquist wrote: >> >>> Ooooooooo >>> >>> I'm working on version 2.0 right now. I think it's nearing >>> completion, but I haven't started testing yet. It will theoretically >>> support any distro, though distros without the authconfig utility >>> (non-RH-based distros, AFAICT) will have some rather complex PAM >>> configuration to do by hand. >>> >>> --matt >>> >>> David Trask wrote: [Wed Jul 06 2005, 08:07:00PM EDT] >>> >>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask >the >>>> user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if >>>> so, >>>> run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the >>>> way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB >>>> back >>>> in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting >>>> from the hip.... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> on >>>> Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> From: "Jim Kronebusch" >>>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some weird >>>>>>> config changes by hand. The script backs everything up anyway so >>>>>>> you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I can't test it >>>>>>> at the moment, but I believe Matt has it "merging" changes....not >>>>>>> overwriting them. The main concern would be smb.conf....try it >>>>>>> and let me know what happens...I'll test myself in a few days and >>>>>>> let you know as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any >>>>>> users when >>>>>> finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad >>>>>> thing >>>>>> on a production box. >>>>>> Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add >>>>>> script >>>>>> want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set >of >>>>>> commands to set quotas on a default user? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >>>>> doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >>>>> timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >>>>> definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >>>>> users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). >>>>> >>>>> If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >>>>> 1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >>>>> 2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >>>>> 3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >>>>> 4) read your DB back into LDAP. >>>>> >>>>> --matt >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> David N. Trask >>>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>> Vassalboro Community School >>>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>> (207)923-3100 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David N. Trask >>>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>> Vassalboro Community School >>>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>> (207)923-3100 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD3 >Unity, ME >gumprechtm at msln.net > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 7 19:11:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:11:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP installer update coming soon... Message-ID: Hi all.... Matt has sent me an updated version of the smbldap-installer script to test and document....unfortunately it may be Monday at the earliest before I can do it....I MAY get a chance to try it tomorrow a.m. as I'm headed home tonight and may get some time in the a.m. to at least take a peek at it. My understanding is that it should be more OS agnostic meaning that it should run on more versions of Linux such as FC 3, FC 4, RH EL, possibly CentOS...etc. I will obviously check this out with Matt....Matt also indicated that distros that do not use "authconfig" may need some more "involved" configuring with PAM stuff that will allow the OS to authenticate via LDAP. You'll need to check up on how to do that with your OS. I do know that plans are in the works to make this happen in an "authconfig" manner for Ubuntu....once written for Ubuntu or Debian like systems...that should hopefully easily port to many Debian based distros. Try to be a little patient as we get this all tested and in place. Matt and I will release what we can as soon as it's ready....we don't want to release something that is very obviously buggy or pre-alpha as it will cause more problems for you than it's worth. I should be in school most of next week as both my kids will be at summer day camp thus giving me time to concentrate. I will be deploying my own servers beginning the first week of August so I can definitely share what I'm using at that point. Don't worry...we'll get version 2 into your hands for testiing, etc as soon as it's prudent...."hopefully" sometime early next week. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 20:17:52 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:17:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (dahopkins@comcast.net) Message-ID: <070720052017.14736.42CD8DF0000A37800000399022007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Matt, Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the installer now completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will not start. I am getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need to get this server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is samba 2.x based). The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may not be such a good thing. ;) >From /var/log/samba/log.smbd [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the detailed instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same point with the same errors. I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and don't know what directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default directories). Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few weeks (medical issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very rough. Then again, perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a 32-bit version of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Matt Oquist Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:35:40 +0000 Size: 2677 URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 20:27:34 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:27:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP installer update coming soon... Message-ID: <070720052027.25909.42CD9036000034B00000653522007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> David, I are desparate to try anything that might get the samba piece working at this point. The ldap stuff starts fine, just can't start smb. Do you need a guinea pig? I have a dual opteron 64-bit system with FC4 just waiting to crash and burn (again). Will be up all night installing/re-installing the base OS if needed. Dave Hopkins > Hi all.... > > Matt has sent me an updated version of the smbldap-installer script to > test and document....unfortunately it may be Monday at the earliest before > I can do it....I MAY get a chance to try it tomorrow a.m. as I'm headed > home tonight and may get some time in the a.m. to at least take a peek at > it. My understanding is that it should be more OS agnostic meaning that > it should run on more versions of Linux such as FC 3, FC 4, RH EL, > possibly CentOS...etc. I will obviously check this out with Matt....Matt > also indicated that distros that do not use "authconfig" may need some > more "involved" configuring with PAM stuff that will allow the OS to > authenticate via LDAP. You'll need to check up on how to do that with > your OS. I do know that plans are in the works to make this happen in an > "authconfig" manner for Ubuntu....once written for Ubuntu or Debian like > systems...that should hopefully easily port to many Debian based distros. > Try to be a little patient as we get this all tested and in place. Matt > and I will > release what we can as soon as it's ready....we don't want to release > something that is very obviously buggy or pre-alpha as it will cause more > problems for you than it's worth. I should be in school most of next week > as both my kids will be at summer day camp thus giving me time to > concentrate. I will be deploying my own servers beginning the first week > of August so I can definitely share what I'm using at that point. Don't > worry...we'll get version 2 into your hands for testiing, etc as soon as > it's prudent...."hopefully" sometime early next week. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 7 20:27:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:27:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? Message-ID: <200507072234.j67MYrQ19434@downeast.net> sounds lke you need to un smbpasswd -w yourldappasswd to generate secrets.tdb > Matt, > > Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the installer now completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will not start. I am getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need to get this server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is samba 2.x based). ate > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) > pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) > PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) > BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: > #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] > #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] > #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] > #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] > #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] > #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] > > I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the detailed instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same point with the same errors. > > I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and don't know what directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default directories). > > Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few weeks (medical issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very rough. Then again, perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a 32-bit version of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 7 20:29:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:29:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? Message-ID: <200507072237.j67MbNQ19965@downeast.net> Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck > Matt, > > Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the installer now completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will not start. I am getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need to get this server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is samba 2.x based). The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may not be such a good thing. ;) > > >From /var/log/samba/log.smbd > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) > pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) > PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) > BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: > #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] > #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] > #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] > #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] > #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] > #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] > > I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the detailed instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same point with the same errors. > > I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and don't know what directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default directories). > > Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few weeks (medical issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very rough. Then again, perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a 32-bit version of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:53:10 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:53:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to have everything on sunsite.utk.edu so that all updates get stuff from there? (I'll admit that my interest is largely selfish, but I'm bummed when I do an update pulling stuff from mesd.k12.or.us when I know that there's a mirror on campus.) On 7/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > > > Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP just like it > > does with the Fedora Core versions? > > Yes. > > > Will this version have its own repository > > of updates? > > Yes. > > > Will it use CentOS's repositories? > > Yes. > > >When I last tried CentOS, > > their repositories were unusably slow. Maybe that has been fixed. > > The K12LTSP 4.2.1EL repository includes the CentOS base OS & update > repositories. If it is too slow for you, you could always disable > those repos: edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add "enabled=0" > to any repos you don't want to use. > > They have seemed to be okay to me. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 21:12:53 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:12:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? Message-ID: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Chuck, Unfortunately, the state firewall blocks any/all chat from the school and I can't figure out how to route the chat through the proxy. I tried the smbpasswd -w somethingnew late last night, but it didn't change anything (p.s. do not use an & in the password, the shell screws it up unless you also esc it with \ ) I can get on the chat channel at home and will try to do so. This means hauling the server to my house, reconfiguring my home network a little but que sera at this point. takes about 1/2 hour to shut it down, lug it to the car, .... Dave ... > Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your > configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck > > > > Matt, > > > > Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the > installer now > completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will > not start. I am > getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need > to get this > server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is > samba 2.x based). > The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may > not be such a > good thing. ;) > > > > >From /var/log/samba/log.smbd > > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) > > pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) > > PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID > > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) > > BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: > > #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] > > #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] > > #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] > > #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] > > #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] > > #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] > > > > I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the > detailed > instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same > point with the > same errors. > > > > I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and > don't know what > directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default > directories). > > > > Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few > weeks (medical > issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very > rough. Then again, > perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a > 32-bit version > of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jul 7 21:25:23 2005 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:25:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Legacy PC's In-Reply-To: <20050707142436.21A0973997@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050707142436.21A0973997@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1120771522.3799.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Patrick, I've managed to get a 486 dx33 with 16 MB of ram to run as a thin client, back in the K12LTSP 2 days. It took a little bit of work but the staff were amazed to see an old DOS box suddenly running windows 98 at PIII 850 speeds. I ran Win4Lin on the server as well which explains the Windows 98 thing. HTH Bert > From: Patrick Sawyer > Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Legacy Pc's > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <8ae10c10050706090554401bd3 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ive read the how to with regards to setting legacy pcs up as clients with > k12linux. > I was wondering if anyone has any tips that they would like to share. > > Also how old is legacy? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 7 21:58:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > Is it possible to have everything on sunsite.utk.edu so that all > updates get stuff from there? (I'll admit that my interest is largely > selfish, but I'm bummed when I do an update pulling stuff from > mesd.k12.or.us when I know that there's a mirror on campus.) Generally everything should always be in sync between mesd.k12.or.us and sunsite.utk.edu. I sync the mirrors as part of rebuilding the repos. 4.2.1EL is current on sunsite.utk.edu. I started mirroring 4.4.0, but it takes a *long* time to sync up a whole tree from scratch. Something like 1-2 days IIRC. Yum is configured to round-robin between mirrors. If you want to use only one specific mirror, here is how to do it: 1) You'll find the repository definitions in /etc/yum.repos.d/, k12ltsp.repo for example. 2) Within the *.repo file, you'll see a mirrorlist line, such as: mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 3) stick the URL (http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2) into a browser and it will retrieve the list of mirrors. Such as: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/ http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/ 4) copy the URL of the mirror you want to use, comment out the "mirrorlist" line, and add a "baseurl" line. Such as: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP # mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 baseurl=http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/ gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 5) now yum will only query that one specific mirror. -Eric > On 7/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: >> >>> Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP just like it >>> does with the Fedora Core versions? >> >> Yes. >> >>> Will this version have its own repository >>> of updates? >> >> Yes. >> >>> Will it use CentOS's repositories? >> >> Yes. >> >>> When I last tried CentOS, >>> their repositories were unusably slow. Maybe that has been fixed. >> >> The K12LTSP 4.2.1EL repository includes the CentOS base OS & update >> repositories. If it is too slow for you, you could always disable >> those repos: edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add "enabled=0" >> to any repos you don't want to use. >> >> They have seemed to be okay to me. >> >> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From gj.kramer at planet.nl Thu Jul 7 22:12:37 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:12:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 In-Reply-To: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1120774357.14498.11.camel@server.byh.org> Don't know if these are FC4 issues or K12LTSP issues but: gpilotd crashes when a sync is attempted ctrl-alt-fn does not open alternate consoles it seems to either go to a blue screen or freeze the current screen. If the former you can ctrl- alt-f7 back to the X session, if the latter you pretty much have to ctrl-alt-delete to get out. apt-get identified 2 broken packages: k12ltsp-utils:Depends:perl-IO-socket-SSL but it is not installable Depends:yumex but it is... tuxpaint-config:Depends:fltk but it is... using apt-get --fix install removed k12ltsp-education, k12ltsp-utils and tuxpaint-config All this on a mini-itx that I use as a test bed. I haven't had a chance to try a straight FC4 install to confirm where the problem starts but previous versions of K12LTSP have run perfectly on this machine, albeit somewhat slow. - gjk On Wed, 2005-06-07 at 16:07 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > The only bug report for K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre3 that I spotted was that VNC > was not turned on by default. I fixed that bug and included the > latest-n-greatest official Fedora updates. > > If no show-stopping bugs are reported by next week, this will become the > official 4.4.0 release. > > You can grab the pre-release ISOs at: > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Thu Jul 7 22:13:36 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:13:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SME and esmith Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357E1@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I was wondering what the advantages of SME and esmith are with regard to Moodle. I am planning on setting up another instance of Moodle at our school and had originally planned to install it on a K12LTSP installation. I've installed Moodle on Red Hat 9 and found it very simple. I assumed that installing on K12LTSP or Fedora would be just as easy. Is this not the case? Are there real performance advantages to SME? And what exactly is esmith? Let me know what you think. - Sez ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:35:19 -0400 From: "David Trask" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Cc: """ "@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just FYI....since I noticed John Ballie's name on this message (and he attended the Northeast Linux Symposium in Maine two weeks ago)....the NELS site is a Moodle site and it happens to be hosted on an SME server...I love SME...I have a whole bunch of them for various purposes ranging from Firewall/gateway/router/proxy/Dansguardian.....to simple NFS install server housing all my images for deployment over the network. The installation of Moodle is very simple. Simply untar it in the html or www directory....create a database for it....I use "mysql_setpermissions" and then run the install. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 2, 2005 at 2:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Alan wrote: > >Hi gang > >I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the >versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle >install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum >amount of configuration (http://www.tech- >geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it >needs a dedicated SME server >(http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question >is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of >server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP >versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and >convoluted... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5678 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Thu Jul 7 22:53:11 2005 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:53:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME and esmith In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357E1@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357E1@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <1120776791.42cdb257b507d@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> The current stable version of SME (v6.0.1) is based on redhat 7.2. As far as performance advantages, there aren't really any, but as for ease of configuration, it really excels. We use it at the public library I work at, and it is a lifesaver. The home site for SME is contribs.org. Great bunch of folks there. Here is a link about installing moodle on SME: http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html Cheers - Mark Quoting "Selzler, Bruce" : > Hello Team, > > I was wondering what the advantages of SME and esmith are with regard to > Moodle. I am planning on setting up another instance of Moodle at our > school and had originally planned to install it on a K12LTSP installation. > I've installed Moodle on Red Hat 9 and found it very simple. I assumed that > installing on K12LTSP or Fedora would be just as easy. Is this not the case? > Are there real performance advantages to SME? And what exactly is esmith? > Let me know what you think. > > - Sez > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:35:19 -0400 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Moodle easy install > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: """ "@redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Just FYI....since I noticed John Ballie's name on this message (and he > attended the Northeast Linux Symposium in Maine two weeks ago)....the NELS > site is a Moodle site and it happens to be hosted on an SME server...I > love SME...I have a whole bunch of them for various purposes ranging from > Firewall/gateway/router/proxy/Dansguardian.....to simple NFS install > server housing all my images for deployment over the network. The > installation of Moodle is very simple. Simply untar it in the html or www > directory....create a database for it....I use "mysql_setpermissions" and > then run the install. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, July 2, 2005 at 2:11 PM +0000 wrote: > >Alan wrote: > > > >Hi gang > > > >I am happy to see that fellow educators are picking up on the > >versatility and power of Moodle. I am familiar with an SME-esmith/Moodle > >install combo that works very well out of the box with just a minimum > >amount of configuration (http://www.tech- > >geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html) - However it > >needs a dedicated SME server > >(http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php?Downloads). My question > >is, can the ease of install for SME be ported over to our type of > >server? I've tried several times to install Moodle in different K12LTSP > >versions, but had to give up as being too time consuming and > >convoluted... > > > From patricksawyer at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 23:02:15 2005 From: patricksawyer at gmail.com (Patrick Sawyer) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:02:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarks Message-ID: <8ae10c10050707160220bf2e58@mail.gmail.com> I saw in a previous message something about benchmarks. Does anyone have a link to these benchmarks? This info could be very usefull in setting up labs. I used to have a lab(not setup by me) that ran 5 computers off of one 450 mhz server. This lab was used by kids all the time so most of the computers were being used, and if still seemed very functional. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 7 23:31:40 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? In-Reply-To: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1120779100.13345.134.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Dave, Just to add my .02 - Back before Matt and David Trask automated the process I spent quite a bit of time messing around with smb/ldap. I was working off the docs on idealx. After a few failures and total reinstalls (I wanted to be back on solid ground) I made careful notes of all files and/or dirs associated with smb/ldap and renamed them incrementing by 1 along the way with each iteration. That way I knew I was dealing with fresh files (without reinstalling the OS) with each new trial I had the old ones to refer back to. I got everything working in a test environment but put off the project for production environment for this summer. Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) on existing known good hardware? John On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 21:12 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Chuck, > > Unfortunately, the state firewall blocks any/all chat from the school and I can't figure out how to route the chat through the proxy. I tried the smbpasswd -w somethingnew late last night, but it didn't change anything (p.s. do not use an & in the password, the shell screws it up unless you also esc it with \ ) > > I can get on the chat channel at home and will try to do so. This means hauling the server to my house, reconfiguring my home network a little but que sera at this point. takes about 1/2 hour to shut it down, lug it to the car, .... > > Dave ... > > > > Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your > > configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the > > installer now > > completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will > > not start. I am > > getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need > > to get this > > server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is > > samba 2.x based). > > The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may > > not be such a > > good thing. ;) > > > > > > >From /var/log/samba/log.smbd > > > > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > > > Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) > > > pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) > > > PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID > > > > > > [2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) > > > BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: > > > #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] > > > #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] > > > #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] > > > #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] > > > #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] > > > #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] > > > > > > I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the > > detailed > > instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same > > point with the > > same errors. > > > > > > I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and > > don't know what > > directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default > > directories). > > > > > > Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few > > weeks (medical > > issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very > > rough. Then again, > > perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a > > 32-bit version > > of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 8 01:36:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:36:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME and esmith In-Reply-To: <1120776791.42cdb257b507d@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357E1@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <1120776791.42cdb257b507d@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, July 7, 2005 at 6:53 PM +0000 wrote: >The current stable version of SME (v6.0.1) is based on redhat 7.2. As far >as >performance advantages, there aren't really any, but as for ease of >configuration, it really excels. We use it at the public library I work >at, and >it is a lifesaver. The home site for SME is contribs.org. Great bunch of >folks >there. > >Here is a link about installing moodle on SME: > >http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html > >Cheers - > >Mark Very easy to use....wicked easy to set up and VERY stable. Download it and check it out! I have several SME servers doing everything from firewall/routing/gateway/DansGuardian to an NFS installs server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 8 01:36:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:36:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME and esmith In-Reply-To: <1120776791.42cdb257b507d@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357E1@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <1120776791.42cdb257b507d@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, July 7, 2005 at 6:53 PM +0000 wrote: >The current stable version of SME (v6.0.1) is based on redhat 7.2. As far >as >performance advantages, there aren't really any, but as for ease of >configuration, it really excels. We use it at the public library I work >at, and >it is a lifesaver. The home site for SME is contribs.org. Great bunch of >folks >there. > >Here is a link about installing moodle on SME: > >http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/moodle/moodle-installation.html > >Cheers - > >Mark Very easy to use....wicked easy to set up and VERY stable. Download it and check it out! I have several SME servers doing everything from firewall/routing/gateway/DansGuardian to an NFS installs server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 01:48:33 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? In-Reply-To: <1120779100.13345.134.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <1120779100.13345.134.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42CDDB71.8050900@comcast.net> John, I could deploy on FC3, but I (foolishly?) thought that FC4 wouldn't be such an issue. Also, with K12TLSP moving to FC4, I was trying to get just a little ahead of the curve on this particular server since I hope to push the other 3 k12ltsp servers to fc4 in August. But ... this is the price I guess. Anyhow, just re-installed again and will try the alpha smbldap-installer script. It is something to do with the silly secrets.tdb file not being accessed correctly. LDAP starts and is working, just Samba isn't quite there. Dave .... John Baillie wrote: >Dave, > >Just to add my .02 - > >Back before Matt and David Trask automated the process I spent quite a >bit of time messing around with smb/ldap. I was working off the docs on >idealx. After a few failures and total reinstalls (I wanted to be back >on solid ground) I made careful notes of all files and/or dirs >associated with smb/ldap and renamed them incrementing by 1 along the >way with each iteration. That way I knew I was dealing with fresh files >(without reinstalling the OS) with each new trial I had the old ones to >refer back to. I got everything working in a test environment but put >off the project for production environment for this summer. > >Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) >on existing known good hardware? > >John > > > > >On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 21:12 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > >>Chuck, >> >>Unfortunately, the state firewall blocks any/all chat from the school and I can't figure out how to route the chat through the proxy. I tried the smbpasswd -w somethingnew late last night, but it didn't change anything (p.s. do not use an & in the password, the shell screws it up unless you also esc it with \ ) >> >>I can get on the chat channel at home and will try to do so. This means hauling the server to my house, reconfiguring my home network a little but que sera at this point. takes about 1/2 hour to shut it down, lug it to the car, .... >> >>Dave ... >> >> >> >> >>>Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your >>>configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Matt, >>>> >>>>Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the >>>> >>>> >>>installer now >>>completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will >>>not start. I am >>>getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need >>>to get this >>>server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is >>>samba 2.x based). >>>The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may >>>not be such a >>>good thing. ;) >>> >>> >>>>>From /var/log/samba/log.smbd >>>> >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) >>>> pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) >>>> PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID >>>> >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) >>>> BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: >>>> #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] >>>> #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] >>>> #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] >>>> #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] >>>> #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] >>>> #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] >>>> >>>>I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the >>>> >>>> >>>detailed >>>instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same >>>point with the >>>same errors. >>> >>> >>>>I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and >>>> >>>> >>>don't know what >>>directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default >>>directories). >>> >>> >>>>Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few >>>> >>>> >>>weeks (medical >>>issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very >>>rough. Then again, >>>perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a >>>32-bit version >>>of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) >>> >>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Dave Hopkins >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------- >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 8 02:17:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:17:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NTAVO terminals? Anyone used them? Message-ID: NTAVO terminals? Anyone used them? Has anyone ever used one of these terminals with LTSP? http://www.ntavo.com/ They have one for $149 that looks attractive and should be able to run an X session, but I'm leery especially since I don't know if sound will work. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 8 02:36:08 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:36:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? In-Reply-To: <42CDDB71.8050900@comcast.net> References: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <1120779100.13345.134.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42CDDB71.8050900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1120790168.5004.1.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Just out of curiosity what type of file system is the secrets.tdb file sitting on? On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 21:48 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > John, > > I could deploy on FC3, but I (foolishly?) thought that FC4 wouldn't be > such an issue. Also, with K12TLSP moving to FC4, I was trying to get > just a little ahead of the curve on this particular server since I hope > to push the other 3 k12ltsp servers to fc4 in August. But ... this is > the price I guess. Anyhow, just re-installed again and will try the > alpha smbldap-installer script. It is something to do with the silly > secrets.tdb file not being accessed correctly. LDAP starts and is > working, just Samba isn't quite there. > > Dave .... > > > John Baillie wrote: > > >Dave, > > > >Just to add my .02 - > > > >Back before Matt and David Trask automated the process I spent quite a > >bit of time messing around with smb/ldap. I was working off the docs on > >idealx. After a few failures and total reinstalls (I wanted to be back > >on solid ground) I made careful notes of all files and/or dirs > >associated with smb/ldap and renamed them incrementing by 1 along the > >way with each iteration. That way I knew I was dealing with fresh files > >(without reinstalling the OS) with each new trial I had the old ones to > >refer back to. I got everything working in a test environment but put > >off the project for production environment for this summer. > > > >Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) > >on existing known good hardware? > > > >John > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 21:12 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > >>Chuck, > >> > >>Unfortunately, the state firewall blocks any/all chat from the school and I can't figure out how to route the chat through the proxy. I tried the smbpasswd -w somethingnew late last night, but it didn't change anything (p.s. do not use an & in the password, the shell screws it up unless you also esc it with \ ) > >> > >>I can get on the chat channel at home and will try to do so. This means hauling the server to my house, reconfiguring my home network a little but que sera at this point. takes about 1/2 hour to shut it down, lug it to the car, .... > >> > >>Dave ... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your > >>>configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Matt, > >>>> > >>>>Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>installer now > >>>completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will > >>>not start. I am > >>>getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need > >>>to get this > >>>server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is > >>>samba 2.x based). > >>>The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may > >>>not be such a > >>>good thing. ;) > >>> > >>> > >>>>>From /var/log/samba/log.smbd > >>>> > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) > >>>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) > >>>> pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) > >>>> PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID > >>>> > >>>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) > >>>> BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: > >>>> #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] > >>>> #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] > >>>> #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] > >>>> #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] > >>>> #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] > >>>> #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] > >>>> > >>>>I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>detailed > >>>instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same > >>>point with the > >>>same errors. > >>> > >>> > >>>>I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>don't know what > >>>directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default > >>>directories). > >>> > >>> > >>>>Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few > >>>> > >>>> > >>>weeks (medical > >>>issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very > >>>rough. Then again, > >>>perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a > >>>32-bit version > >>>of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) > >>> > >>> > >>>>Sincerely, > >>>>Dave Hopkins > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>For more info see > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>--------------------------------------------- > >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 8 03:12:35 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:12:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] using LDAP on the k12ltsp server, can I.... Message-ID: <42CDEF23.8030205@paasda.org> authenticate from a lab of Mac's running OS/X ? anyone have any steps required on the mac side to make this happen once I have users setup on the K12LTSP side? --Huck From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 05:43:04 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 01:43:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? In-Reply-To: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <070720052112.27943.42CD9AD5000067EE00006D2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42CE1268.5080708@comcast.net> Matt, I tried the alpha release of the script (using make all). But ... I had to add the following rpms for a fc4 release. perl-Jcode-0.83-0.2.fc4.rf.i386.rpm perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.2.fc4.rf.noarch.rpm perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.2.fc4.rf.i386.rpm It then added the other missing rpms from included files, and appears to have successfully started.ldap, smbd, nmbd, nscd. In fact, when I edited the smb.conf, ldap.conf, and slapd.conf files to try and 'fix' the authentication problem, re-running the script was able to correct the issue. Still do not know why smbpasswd -w some_password and then making all the changes in all the conf files doesn't work, but .... que sera. Now I just need to get webmin working so that I can add accounts (which can currently see the database, but can't add anything due to some authentication issue), or phpldapadmin (which can access the ldap server, and authenticates, but fails on adding accounts due to ObjectClass violation) Also tried importing an ldif dump from the existing ldap server, but ... same ObjectClass error (even after running the convertSambaAccount script) Still, some progress. Dave Hopkins dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >Chuck, > >Unfortunately, the state firewall blocks any/all chat from the school and I can't figure out how to route the chat through the proxy. I tried the smbpasswd -w somethingnew late last night, but it didn't change anything (p.s. do not use an & in the password, the shell screws it up unless you also esc it with \ ) > >I can get on the chat channel at home and will try to do so. This means hauling the server to my house, reconfiguring my home network a little but que sera at this point. takes about 1/2 hour to shut it down, lug it to the car, .... > >Dave ... > > > > >>Dave: can you do xchat on freenode.net #ltsp where you can pastebot your >>configs and stuff...you are Very close..chuck >> >> >> >> >>>Matt, >>> >>>Thanks, late last night I caught the _ vs - change ... but ..... the >>> >>> >>installer now >>completes (I also removed the k12ltsp rpm requirement) and ... samba will >>not start. I am >>getting an error as shown below. I am now officially at wits end. I need >>to get this >>server online and working to replace the existing LDAP server (which is >>samba 2.x based). >>The new system is dual opteron (64 bit) and I am discovering that this may >>not be such a >>good thing. ;) >> >> >>>>From /var/log/samba/log.smbd >>> >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/secrets.c:secrets_init(64) >>> Failed to open /etc/samba/secrets.tdb >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] passdb/machine_sid.c:pdb_generate_sam_sid(176) >>> pdb_generate_sam_sid: Failed to store generated machine SID. >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1517) >>> PANIC: Could not generate a machine SID >>> >>>[2005/07/07 16:12:18, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1525) >>> BACKTRACE: 6 stack frames: >>> #0 smbd(smb_panic2+0x6d) [0x5555556ee8e0] >>> #1 smbd(get_global_sam_sid+0x2a4) [0x5555556b1a44] >>> #2 smbd(init_guest_info+0x4e) [0x55555572b239] >>> #3 smbd(main+0x222) [0x55555575d5d6] >>> #4 /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x2aaaac0e24cc] >>> #5 smbd [0x5555555a3989] >>> >>>I am clueless on what is happening at this point. I went through the >>> >>> >>detailed >>instructions (did not use the sbmldap-installer) and end up at the same >>point with the >>same errors. >> >> >>>I am now up to the point of manually building samba from source, and >>> >>> >>don't know what >>directories to use (it appears that the rpm's do not use the default >>directories). >> >> >>>Aaaarrrrrgghhhh!!!!! I have 36 hours before I have to leave for a few >>> >>> >>weeks (medical >>issue) and this? It is looking like August is going to be very, very >>rough. Then again, >>perhaps I will magically find the solution 'real soon' (like installing a >>32-bit version >>of Fedora core 4 on my opteron system) >> >> >>>Sincerely, >>>Dave Hopkins >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> >>>> >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>http://ellsworthme.com/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Jul 8 09:35:18 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:35:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades In-Reply-To: References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> < > <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> < > < > <20050707003206.GC20794@majen.net> < > <42CD3B05.8090502@msln.net> <42CD4C3A.4020001@msln.net> Message-ID: <42CE48D6.4050206@msln.net> I ran all the tests at the bottom and everything worked. The only thing that may have not worked and I would not know if it was normal or not, is being asked for a password when doing the ldapsearch. I do not know the password it wants. Also I tried to connect a xp pro machine to it last night and it said either the username or password was invalid (from memory). I came in early today to take down my win2k server and play a little bit before everyone else shows up. Mark David Trask wrote: >Mark.... > >Did you run all the tests I show in the lower part of the how-to document? > Each stage of the test will indicate what may be broken....generally if >thay all pass it SHOULD (famous last words) work...otherwise....the tests >should give you an indication as to what is broken. The bad news is that >I've found that once you find out what's broken you usually have to back >up and start over with the LDAP database as everything is co-dependent. > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, July 7, 2005 at 11:37 AM wrote: > > > > >>Guess I still have one issue. If I do a ldapsearch it comes back with >> >># SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started >># Please enter Password: >> >>If I enter the password that I used during setup, I get >> >>#ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error >>(80) >>#additional info: SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database >> >>I've searched the internet and it seams that some sort of database >>population or PAM auth is needed. >>I can smbldap-adduser and then check the user and get info and all is >>ok. I can login under the username. Not sure about the search thing. If >>I do a ldapsearch -x -b "-s base" "(ObjectClass=*)" , it starts out ok >>but the search result is >>#search: 2 >>#result: 34 Invalid DN syntax >>#text: invalid DN >>#numResponses: 1 >> >>Any suggestions? >>Mark >> >>Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>Matt, >>>I've edited the distro file and added centos4, copied fc3 settings and >>>then commented out the packages it said it couldn't find. I verified >>>that everything that needed to be there is there. It works better than >>>1.2.1 for centos4 up to step 18 ldapsearch. In 1.2.1 the slapcat >>>command didn't work. In 2.0a it gives a return. 2.0a ldapsearch errors >>>out with ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1). >>>That ended up being the selinux setting. I have the firewall off and >>>had the se setting at warn. I shut that off and rebooted and I get the >>>SASL/Digest-MD5 Authentication Started : Please enter Password, >>>prompt. I had to change the path to smbldap- tools in the smb.conf >>>file to /usr/sbin/ because I used a rpm that was made for rhel4. I've >>>been able to follow the rest of the directions of 1.2.1 and have no >>>problems. Thankyou for the new script. >>>Mark >>> >>>Matt Oquist wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ooooooooo >>>> >>>>I'm working on version 2.0 right now. I think it's nearing >>>>completion, but I haven't started testing yet. It will theoretically >>>>support any distro, though distros without the authconfig utility >>>>(non-RH-based distros, AFAICT) will have some rather complex PAM >>>>configuration to do by hand. >>>> >>>>--matt >>>> >>>>David Trask wrote: [Wed Jul 06 2005, 08:07:00PM EDT] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Matt, >>>>> >>>>>Just a thought....how about a piece to the script that might....ask >>>>> >>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>user if he or she would like to dump an existing LDAP database....if >>>>>so, >>>>>run slapcat to dump it....then run the installer...upgrading along the >>>>>way....then assuming they selected "yes" earlier....then read the DB >>>>>back >>>>>in? Just a thought....haven't thought it through yet...just shooting >>>>>from the hip.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>>> on >>>>>Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 1:44 PM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>From: "Jim Kronebusch" >>>>>>>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Installer upgrades >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You should be able to run it fine...unless you've made some weird >>>>>>>>config changes by hand. The script backs everything up anyway so >>>>>>>>you can go and merge any changes if necessary. I can't test it >>>>>>>>at the moment, but I believe Matt has it "merging" changes....not >>>>>>>>overwriting them. The main concern would be smb.conf....try it >>>>>>>>and let me know what happens...I'll test myself in a few days and >>>>>>>>let you know as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>When I ran it this morning on my test box I no longer had any >>>>>>>users when >>>>>>>finished. It went from 1.2 to 1.2.2-gamma. This would be a bad >>>>>>>thing >>>>>>>on a production box. >>>>>>>Also, do you have any tips on using quotas? I see the bulk-add >>>>>>>script >>>>>>>want a sample user to configure from. What is the recommended set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>>commands to set quotas on a default user? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave, but the Samba/LDAP Installer >>>>>>doesn't merge anything. It overwrites everything! It makes >>>>>>timestamped backups of all the config files it overwrites, but you >>>>>>definitely shouldn't run it on a production system that already has >>>>>>users (at least not without some careful planning and preparation). >>>>>> >>>>>>If you need to upgrade, I recommend that you >>>>>>1) dump your LDAP DB with slapcat, >>>>>>2) upgrade your packages (Samba, OpenLDAP, etc.), >>>>>>3) run the Samba/LDAP installer again, and >>>>>>4) read your DB back into LDAP. >>>>>> >>>>>>--matt >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>David N. Trask >>>>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>>>Vassalboro Community School >>>>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>>>(207)923-3100 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>David N. Trask >>>>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>>>Vassalboro Community School >>>>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>>>(207)923-3100 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msln.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From moquist at majen.net Fri Jul 8 11:06:17 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:06:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) In-Reply-To: <20050708023106.2AD6173B39@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050708023106.2AD6173B39@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050708110616.GC19087@majen.net> > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 > From: John Baillie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? > > Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) > on existing known good hardware? > > John That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the next problem won't be just as vexing? One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Fri Jul 8 12:39:05 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050706093744.mubu32sxnda80wss@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> < > <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <20050706093744.mubu32sxnda80wss@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <20050708083905.9lnfticy01xwo8kk@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> No one has any thoughts on the below? -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Jason Ingalls : > Ok, new issue. Now that I have redirected My Documents and Desktop to the > network location, any files deleted from Desktop or My Documents do > not go into > the Recycle Bin. I've tried using P:\My Documents and \\puffin\homes\my > documents and neither works. > > Any thoughts? > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From kevin_myer at iu13.org Fri Jul 8 13:39:54 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:39:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050708083905.9lnfticy01xwo8kk@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050704031019.37453.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > < > <20050704111527.d316dj5bbu68s0ks@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> < > <20050704212521.kw46bcxz1n4844w4@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <20050706093744.mubu32sxnda80wss@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <20050708083905.9lnfticy01xwo8kk@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <20050708093954.j9cwedlyiyg0kwo4@webapps.iu13.org> Quoting Jason Ingalls : > No one has any thoughts on the below? If I understand your request correctly: SMB network shared files aren't designed (by default) to sit in a Recycle Bin. So they are (by default) deleted immediately. You'll need to use something like the Samba VFS recycle bin module to accomplish what you're after. http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/VFS.html#id2603212 Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Jul 8 13:38:01 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 08:38:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Permissions Question Message-ID: <42CE81B9.4070200@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm in the process of moving from my long-standing Windows NT domain to a spiffy new Samba/LDAP setup thanks to the hard work of so many on this list. I want to try to replicate my existing setup as much as possible to smooth things over with my users, but I seem to be struggling most with my own ignorance. I want to set up certain folders so that different groups have different levels of access. For example: I want to create a "HS" share for use by High School students. I want for the group "HS" to have read/write access, but not the ability to change file permissions. Windows calls this "Change" access. I want the groups "HS_STAFF," and "Domain Admins" to have "Full" access, and I want all other groups to have no access at all. How do I accomplish this with Linux. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ We must make our homes centers of compassion and forgive endlessly. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 8 14:10:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:10:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question Message-ID: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Sorry for the nature of this post, but I think there are Windows wizards out here as well. I have a Win2000 server and a pair of Iomega 160GB usb hard drives. I need to back up to these drives. I can set whatever backup program to back up to drive x:. I need to be able to swap these drives weekly and take one off site. Problem is when I plug in one drive it assigns drive h: to it, the other gets i: assigned to it. This causes my backup program to get stupid. I am thinking I can solve this by placing a simple batch file in the Windows scheduler that deletes drive x:, runs a quick check for which drive is available h: or i:, then has an if statement duplicate h: to x: if h: exists, if h: doesn't exist and i: does exist the duplicate i: to x:. Does this make any sense? This just seems like it could save a lot of money on tape drives if it is figured out. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 14:20:21 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:20:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) In-Reply-To: <20050708110616.GC19087@majen.net> References: <20050708023106.2AD6173B39@hormel.redhat.com> <20050708110616.GC19087@majen.net> Message-ID: <42CE8BA5.1030400@comcast.net> Matt Oquist wrote: >>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 >>From: John Baillie >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? >> >>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) >>on existing known good hardware? >> >>John >> >> > >That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much >better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure >situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the >next problem won't be just as vexing? > >One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over >your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you >have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run >the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 >servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not >worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. > >Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before >tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. > >--matt > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so very close to working. As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn what is needed to make this work. Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. Dave Hopkins From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 14:25:20 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42CE8CD0.9040407@comcast.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Sorry for the nature of this post, but I think there are Windows wizards >out here as well. > >I have a Win2000 server and a pair of Iomega 160GB usb hard drives. I >need to back up to these drives. I can set whatever backup program to >back up to drive x:. I need to be able to swap these drives weekly and >take one off site. Problem is when I plug in one drive it assigns drive >h: to it, the other gets i: assigned to it. This causes my backup >program to get stupid. > >I am thinking I can solve this by placing a simple batch file in the >Windows scheduler that deletes drive x:, runs a quick check for which >drive is available h: or i:, then has an if statement duplicate h: to x: >if h: exists, if h: doesn't exist and i: does exist the duplicate i: to >x:. > >Does this make any sense? This just seems like it could save a lot of >money on tape drives if it is figured out. > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > > > Jim, Haven't tried this (don't have the hardware right at hand), but what happens if you plug in one of the USB devices (say the one that gets H:), then using Disk Adminstrator, manually assign it to drive K: (or convenient letter). Now, unplug, and plug in the other (I:), and likewise manually assign it to drive K: as well. When you swap the drives, does the manual drive mapping stick? I have never tried this, but .... maybe? Dave From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 8 14:31:18 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:31:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Here is a way I would try to do it. . . Place a file in the root of the backup drive(s) called query.txt or something you'll remember. >>>batchfile up to here<<< :start if exist h:\query.txt goto continueh if exist I:\query.txt goto continuei if not exist h:\query.txt goto error if not exist I:\query.txt goto error :continueh >>>>do the backup with appropriate drive letter for H:<<<< copy \query.txt h:\ /y goto end :continuei >>>>do the backup with appropriate drive letter for I:<<<< copy \query.txt i: /y goto end :error echo There was an error finding your backup drive. echo Make sure it is connected and turned on and try again. echo I'll wait for you to do that or press (CTRL-C) to cancel. echo When your drives are ready, pause goto start :end echo DONE! exit There may be other ways, but this will work. Only thing you have to remember is that if you change the backup routines, you will need to make the same changes in both the H and the I sections. This will look for the file called query.txt on H and if it finds it, will start the backup, and copy the file query.txt to the root of the H: drive. If the file doesn't exist (there is no H: drive) it will run the next line which runs the batch section for the I: drive. Hope this helps at least a little. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Sorry for the nature of this post, but I think there are Windows wizards > out here as well. > > I have a Win2000 server and a pair of Iomega 160GB usb hard drives. I > need to back up to these drives. I can set whatever backup program to > back up to drive x:. I need to be able to swap these drives weekly and > take one off site. Problem is when I plug in one drive it assigns drive > h: to it, the other gets i: assigned to it. This causes my backup > program to get stupid. > > I am thinking I can solve this by placing a simple batch file in the > Windows scheduler that deletes drive x:, runs a quick check for which > drive is available h: or i:, then has an if statement duplicate h: to x: > if h: exists, if h: doesn't exist and i: does exist the duplicate i: to > x:. > > Does this make any sense? This just seems like it could save a lot of > money on tape drives if it is figured out. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 8 14:39:17 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:39:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: References: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: ERROR! A fixed version is below. . . Look carefully since there was just one line deleted. . . > Here is a way I would try to do it. . . > Place a file in the root of the backup drive(s) called query.txt or > something you'll remember. > > >>>batchfile up to here<<< > :start > > if exist h:\query.txt goto continueh > if exist I:\query.txt goto continuei > if not exist I:\query.txt goto error > > :continueh > >>>>do the backup with appropriate drive letter for H:<<<< > copy \query.txt h:\ /y > goto end > > :continuei > >>>>do the backup with appropriate drive letter for I:<<<< > copy \query.txt i: /y > goto end > > :error > echo There was an error finding your backup drive. > echo Make sure it is connected and turned on and try again. > echo I'll wait for you to do that or press (CTRL-C) to cancel. > echo When your drives are ready, > pause > > goto start > > :end > > echo DONE! > exit > > There may be other ways, but this will work. Only thing you have to > remember is that if you change the backup routines, you will need to make > the same changes in both the H and the I sections. > > This will look for the file called query.txt on H and if it finds it, will > start the backup, and copy the file query.txt to the root of the H: drive. > If the file doesn't exist (there is no H: drive) it will run the next line > which runs the batch section for the I: drive. > > Hope this helps at least a little. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Sorry for the nature of this post, but I think there are Windows wizards > > out here as well. > > > > I have a Win2000 server and a pair of Iomega 160GB usb hard drives. I > > need to back up to these drives. I can set whatever backup program to > > back up to drive x:. I need to be able to swap these drives weekly and > > take one off site. Problem is when I plug in one drive it assigns drive > > h: to it, the other gets i: assigned to it. This causes my backup > > program to get stupid. > > > > I am thinking I can solve this by placing a simple batch file in the > > Windows scheduler that deletes drive x:, runs a quick check for which > > drive is available h: or i:, then has an if statement duplicate h: to x: > > if h: exists, if h: doesn't exist and i: does exist the duplicate i: to > > x:. > > > > Does this make any sense? This just seems like it could save a lot of > > money on tape drives if it is figured out. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 8 14:54:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:54:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <42CE8CD0.9040407@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007901c583cc$fc645cd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > likewise manually assign it to drive K: as well. When you swap the > drives, does the manual drive mapping stick? Nope. I have had that work on other machines but for some reason not on this one, hence the scripting question. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 8 15:01:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:01:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007a01c583cd$f3eda7e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Hope this helps at least a little. . . Awesome! Thanks Doug! I'll give it a try over the weekend. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 8 15:13:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007b01c583cf$88a74660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > There may be other ways, but this will work. Only thing you have to > remember is that if you change the backup routines, you will > need to make > the same changes in both the H and the I sections. > > This will look for the file called query.txt on H and if it > finds it, will > start the backup, and copy the file query.txt to the root of > the H: drive. If the file doesn't exist (there is no H: > drive) it will run the next line > which runs the batch section for the I: drive. > > Hope this helps at least a little. . . Crap. I think looking at this a little closer I wasn't clear enough. I need to actually back up C,D,E,F,and M drives to one of the external drives. I was thinking of using windows backup so I can catch the system state of the machine for the registry and such. The problem is if I set the backup script to point to my external drive of H:, when I unplug h: and plug in the next drive, the new drive becomes i:. Then my backup errors because it cannot find drive h:. So I was looking for a script to check whether I: or H: is available, then make a new drive called X:. Then I can schedule the script to run right before Windows backup to be sure that X: is available and connected to the current drive (either H or I). Then my Windows backup can proceed to backup to X without any errors. Does that help clear things up? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 8 16:01:34 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:01:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <007b01c583cf$88a74660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007b01c583cf$88a74660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Oh! OK. . . So this drive fills up and you need to swap and put data on the second drive, eh? OK. It was my understanding that you were using two drives for different copies and taking one of them off-campus. Let me think on this one for a bit. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > There may be other ways, but this will work. Only thing you have to > > remember is that if you change the backup routines, you will > > need to make > > the same changes in both the H and the I sections. > > > > This will look for the file called query.txt on H and if it > > finds it, will > > start the backup, and copy the file query.txt to the root of > > the H: drive. If the file doesn't exist (there is no H: > > drive) it will run the next line > > which runs the batch section for the I: drive. > > > > Hope this helps at least a little. . . > > Crap. I think looking at this a little closer I wasn't clear enough. I > need to actually back up C,D,E,F,and M drives to one of the external > drives. I was thinking of using windows backup so I can catch the > system state of the machine for the registry and such. The problem is > if I set the backup script to point to my external drive of H:, when I > unplug h: and plug in the next drive, the new drive becomes i:. Then my > backup errors because it cannot find drive h:. So I was looking for a > script to check whether I: or H: is available, then make a new drive > called X:. Then I can schedule the script to run right before Windows > backup to be sure that X: is available and connected to the current > drive (either H or I). Then my Windows backup can proceed to backup to > X without any errors. > > Does that help clear things up? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 8 16:08:27 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <007b01c583cf$88a74660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007b01c583cf$88a74660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Question. . . does this drive connect physically to your server? And, are you running the backup program from the server as well? You could share the external drives with full access and then use: net use x: \\servername\shareh or net use x: \\servername\sharei in the appropriate areas of the script. Don't forget to use: net use x: /delete /y at then end of each section to let go of drive X:. If I can find a copy of that script I sent earlier, I will see if I can add this functionality to it. From mej at mindspring.com Fri Jul 8 16:23:25 2005 From: mej at mindspring.com (Michael E. Jaggers) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:23:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200507081712.j68HCkXF019380@mx1.redhat.com> In <007301c583c6$d6c62400$b39b060a at winonacotter.org>, on 07/08/05 at 09:10 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" said: >Sorry for the nature of this post, but I think there are Windows wizards >out here as well. >I have a Win2000 server and a pair of Iomega 160GB usb hard drives. I >need to back up to these drives. I can set whatever backup program to >back up to drive x:. I need to be able to swap these drives weekly and >take one off site. Problem is when I plug in one drive it assigns drive >h: to it, the other gets i: assigned to it. This causes my backup >program to get stupid. >I am thinking I can solve this by placing a simple batch file in the >Windows scheduler that deletes drive x:, runs a quick check for which >drive is available h: or i:, then has an if statement duplicate h: to x: >if h: exists, if h: doesn't exist and i: does exist the duplicate i: to >x:. >Does this make any sense? This just seems like it could save a lot of >money on tape drives if it is figured out. Use the subst command: @echo off rem Delete previous drive x substitution subst x: /d if not exist h:\nul goto no_h rem Map the root of h as our new drive x subst x: h: goto doit :no_h if not exist i:\nul goto die rem Map the root of i as our new drive x subst x: i: goto doit :doit rem rem Now x is your drive... rem goto done :die echo Whoops! :done exit -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Michael E. Jaggers" ----------------------------------------------------------- From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 8 19:27:16 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:27:16 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) Message-ID: <200507082134.j68LYsw14851@downeast.net> /etc/ldap.conf governs the client side of ldap.../etc/openldap/ldap.conf is part of the server side.. > Matt Oquist wrote: > > >>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 > >>From: John Baillie > >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? > >> > >>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) > >>on existing known good hardware? > >> > >>John > >> > >> > > > >That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much > >better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure > >situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the > >next problem won't be just as vexing? > > > >One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over > >your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you > >have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run > >the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 > >servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not > >worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. > > > >Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before > >tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. > > > >--matt > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is > one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which > leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get > set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been > modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap > directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... > can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so > very close to working. > > As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position > perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was > still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to > fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy > to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very > well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, > there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove > the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The > school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I > have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope > that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn > what is needed to make this work. > > Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. > > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 20:34:18 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:34:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) In-Reply-To: <200507082134.j68LYsw14851@downeast.net> References: <200507082134.j68LYsw14851@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42CEE34A.5050109@comcast.net> Thanks for straightening out that issue. Ldap appears to be working as far as Matt's scripts bulk adding users. Apparently, part of my problem is that smbldap-populate didn't finish correctly. Then there is whole issue with getting all the passwords set correctly in the various places. But the other issue is that it turns out that both the latest versions of webmin and phpldapadmin do not work correctly with the Samba 3 schema that is included in the fc4 release (or updated with yum udpate). Rerunning smbldap-populate and reverting to phpldapadmin-0.9.5 lets me look at and manipulate the database. Also, while Matts bulk add scripts now work as correctly, I am not sure what the fields are at this point. Can I specify the uidNumber like you can also specify the gidNumber? If I find time, I will try a clean install to make sure I know what was going on, but for now ... it seems to work. As I always think give me a generally healthy tree and I will always find a way to climb out on the one rotten branch. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >/etc/ldap.conf governs the client side of ldap.../etc/openldap/ldap.conf is >part of the server side.. > > > >>Matt Oquist wrote: >> >> >> >>>>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 >>>>From: John Baillie >>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? >>>> >>>>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) >>>>on existing known good hardware? >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much >>>better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure >>>situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the >>>next problem won't be just as vexing? >>> >>>One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over >>>your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you >>>have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run >>>the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 >>>servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not >>>worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. >>> >>>Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before >>>tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. >>> >>>--matt >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is >>one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which >>leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get >>set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been >>modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap >>directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... >>can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so >>very close to working. >> >>As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position >>perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was >>still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to >>fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy >>to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very >>well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, >>there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove >>the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The >>school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I >>have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope >>that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn >>what is needed to make this work. >> >>Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. >> >>Dave Hopkins >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 8 21:02:51 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:02:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? Message-ID: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, I'm downloading iso's at the moment. We have two separate Internet connections. Can I point rsync to use a gateway other than the computers default so I can utilize all available bandwidth? If so how. At any rate I'm googling around and I bet I'll find it eventually... I'll send you a six pack of virtual beers if you beat me to it! Thanks, -- John From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 8 21:46:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:46:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) Message-ID: <200507082354.j68NsBw06172@downeast.net> can you ue ldapbrowser to easily look at the structure..if you can read bash i can send you my xcript which methodically goes thru creation of each file...nowhere near as elegant as Matt's but might help to understand...chuck\ > Thanks for straightening out that issue. > > Ldap appears to be working as far as Matt's scripts bulk adding users. > Apparently, part of my problem is that smbldap-populate didn't finish > correctly. Then there is whole issue with getting all the passwords set > correctly in the various places. But the other issue is that it turns > out that both the latest versions of webmin and phpldapadmin do not work > correctly with the Samba 3 schema that is included in the fc4 release > (or updated with yum udpate). Rerunning smbldap-populate and reverting > to phpldapadmin-0.9.5 lets me look at and manipulate the database. > Also, while Matts bulk add scripts now work as correctly, I am not sure > what the fields are at this point. Can I specify the uidNumber like you > can also specify the gidNumber? > > If I find time, I will try a clean install to make sure I know what was > going on, but for now ... it seems to work. > > As I always think give me a generally healthy tree and I will always > find a way to climb out on the one rotten branch. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >/etc/ldap.conf governs the client side of ldap.../etc/openldap/ldap.conf is > >part of the server side.. > > > > > > > >>Matt Oquist wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 > >>>>From: John Baillie > >>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? > >>>> > >>>>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) > >>>>on existing known good hardware? > >>>> > >>>>John > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much > >>>better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure > >>>situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the > >>>next problem won't be just as vexing? > >>> > >>>One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over > >>>your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you > >>>have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run > >>>the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 > >>>servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not > >>>worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. > >>> > >>>Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before > >>>tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. > >>> > >>>--matt > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is > >>one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which > >>leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get > >>set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been > >>modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap > >>directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... > >>can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so > >>very close to working. > >> > >>As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position > >>perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was > >>still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to > >>fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy > >>to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very > >>well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, > >>there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove > >>the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The > >>school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I > >>have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope > >>that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn > >>what is needed to make this work. > >> > >>Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. > >> > >>Dave Hopkins > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From kevin_myer at iu13.org Fri Jul 8 22:22:04 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:22:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <20050708182204.jhef29rmeyaa04o4@webapps.iu13.org> Quoting John Baillie : > We have two separate Internet connections. Can I point rsync to use a > gateway other than the computers default so I can utilize all available > bandwidth? If so how. At any rate I'm googling around and I bet I'll > find it eventually... rsync follows whatever path your network equipment sends packets across. Without details about your network topology, it would be difficult to determine where you'd need to add a static route, so that traffic destined for a certain location went out the other Internet connection. Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 8 22:57:34 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:57:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <20050708182204.jhef29rmeyaa04o4@webapps.iu13.org> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <20050708182204.jhef29rmeyaa04o4@webapps.iu13.org> Message-ID: <1120863454.26160.41.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Best I could come up with was messing around with static routes. So I just used a different box and changed the default gateway. I'm sure there is a more krackish way to do this. But mission accomplished. Thanks, John On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 18:22, Kevin Myer wrote: > Quoting John Baillie : > > > We have two separate Internet connections. Can I point rsync to use a > > gateway other than the computers default so I can utilize all available > > bandwidth? If so how. At any rate I'm googling around and I bet I'll > > find it eventually... > > rsync follows whatever path your network equipment sends packets > across. Without details about your network topology, it would be > difficult to determine > where you'd need to add a static route, so that traffic destined for a certain > location went out the other Internet connection. > > Kevin -- John From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 23:33:23 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:33:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) In-Reply-To: <200507082354.j68NsBw06172@downeast.net> References: <200507082354.j68NsBw06172@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42CF0D43.5060209@comcast.net> Chuck, I will gladly take you up on that offer to see the script. As for browsing the database, phpldapadmin does this quite well, though creating objects is a different story (at least for the couple I tried). Easier to use the smbldap-useradd script to get the right settings. Dave ... cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >can you ue ldapbrowser to easily look at the structure..if you can read >bash i can send you my xcript which methodically goes thru creation of each >file...nowhere near as elegant as Matt's but might help to understand...chuck\ > > >>Thanks for straightening out that issue. >> >>Ldap appears to be working as far as Matt's scripts bulk adding users. >>Apparently, part of my problem is that smbldap-populate didn't finish >>correctly. Then there is whole issue with getting all the passwords set >>correctly in the various places. But the other issue is that it turns >>out that both the latest versions of webmin and phpldapadmin do not work >>correctly with the Samba 3 schema that is included in the fc4 release >>(or updated with yum udpate). Rerunning smbldap-populate and reverting >>to phpldapadmin-0.9.5 lets me look at and manipulate the database. >>Also, while Matts bulk add scripts now work as correctly, I am not sure >>what the fields are at this point. Can I specify the uidNumber like you >>can also specify the gidNumber? >> >>If I find time, I will try a clean install to make sure I know what was >>going on, but for now ... it seems to work. >> >>As I always think give me a generally healthy tree and I will always >>find a way to climb out on the one rotten branch. >> >>Sincerely, >>Dave Hopkins >> >> >> >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>/etc/ldap.conf governs the client side of ldap.../etc/openldap/ldap.conf is >>>part of the server side.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Matt Oquist wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 >>>>>>From: John Baillie >>>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? >>>>>> >>>>>>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) >>>>>>on existing known good hardware? >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much >>>>>better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure >>>>>situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the >>>>>next problem won't be just as vexing? >>>>> >>>>>One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over >>>>>your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you >>>>>have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run >>>>>the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 >>>>>servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not >>>>>worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. >>>>> >>>>>Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before >>>>>tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. >>>>> >>>>>--matt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is >>>>one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which >>>>leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get >>>>set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been >>>>modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap >>>>directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... >>>>can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so >>>>very close to working. >>>> >>>>As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position >>>>perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was >>>>still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to >>>>fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy >>>>to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very >>>>well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, >>>>there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove >>>>the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The >>>>school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I >>>>have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope >>>>that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn >>>>what is needed to make this work. >>>> >>>>Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. >>>> >>>>Dave Hopkins >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------- >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 8 23:31:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:31:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? (John Baillie) Message-ID: <200507090138.j691cvw20159@downeast.net> email wont send the big file..any other way i can ship it to you??> Chuck, > > I will gladly take you up on that offer to see the script. As for > browsing the database, phpldapadmin does this quite well, though > creating objects is a different story (at least for the couple I > tried). Easier to use the smbldap-useradd script to get the right > settings. > > Dave ... > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >can you ue ldapbrowser to easily look at the structure..if you can read > >bash i can send you my xcript which methodically goes thru creation of each > >file...nowhere near as elegant as Matt's but might help to understand...chuck\ > > > > > >>Thanks for straightening out that issue. > >> > >>Ldap appears to be working as far as Matt's scripts bulk adding users. > >>Apparently, part of my problem is that smbldap-populate didn't finish > >>correctly. Then there is whole issue with getting all the passwords set > >>correctly in the various places. But the other issue is that it turns > >>out that both the latest versions of webmin and phpldapadmin do not work > >>correctly with the Samba 3 schema that is included in the fc4 release > >>(or updated with yum udpate). Rerunning smbldap-populate and reverting > >>to phpldapadmin-0.9.5 lets me look at and manipulate the database. > >>Also, while Matts bulk add scripts now work as correctly, I am not sure > >>what the fields are at this point. Can I specify the uidNumber like you > >>can also specify the gidNumber? > >> > >>If I find time, I will try a clean install to make sure I know what was > >>going on, but for now ... it seems to work. > >> > >>As I always think give me a generally healthy tree and I will always > >>find a way to climb out on the one rotten branch. > >> > >>Sincerely, > >>Dave Hopkins > >> > >> > >> > >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>/etc/ldap.conf governs the client side of ldap.../etc/openldap/ldap.conf is > >>>part of the server side.. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Matt Oquist wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:31:40 -0400 > >>>>>>From: John Baillie > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP script with Fedora Core 4? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Just curious, why not deploy on FC3 (which has already proved it's self) > >>>>>>on existing known good hardware? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>John > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>That's definitely what I would recommend. In general it's a much > >>>>>better idea to stick with tried-and-true solutions in high-pressure > >>>>>situations. Who's to say that even if you get Samba/LDAP working the > >>>>>next problem won't be just as vexing? > >>>>> > >>>>>One of the beautiful things about FOSS is that you have control over > >>>>>your own upgrade cycle; nobody can force you to upgrade (unless you > >>>>>have support contracts). I understand the appeal of wanting to run > >>>>>the newest stuff, especially since you will have other FC4/K12LTSP4.4 > >>>>>servers later and you'd like this one to match them. But it's not > >>>>>worth the pain you're experiencing, IMO. > >>>>> > >>>>>Anyhow, I'm d/ling FC4 right now, but I won't get to testing it before > >>>>>tonight, and in any case I'll only be testing the 32-bit version. > >>>>> > >>>>>--matt > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>For more info see > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Currently, it is very close to working. The entire issue right now is > >>>>one of authentication and what needs to be where in what files. Which > >>>>leads to one confusing question. There are two ldap.conf files that get > >>>>set up, one is in /etc , the other is in /etc/openldap. Both have been > >>>>modified, but which one is essential? At present, I can browse the ldap > >>>>directory with either phpldapadmin or webmin, or use ldapsearch, but ... > >>>>can't add anything to it because of some credential issues. This is so > >>>>very close to working. > >>>> > >>>>As for moving to FC4 instead of FC3. I understand your position > >>>>perfectly. In fact, I originally had fc3 (64bit) installed, and was > >>>>still seeing issues, so I decided to just accept the penalty and move to > >>>>fc4. Also, I do this as a volunteer for the school, and they are happy > >>>>to be 'bleeding' edge on some of these things since it has worked very > >>>>well for the last 4 years and I have the time, most days. Finally, > >>>>there are some new features in the latest version of webmin that remove > >>>>the crisis issue for me in terms of user creation/modification. The > >>>>school is fully operational with the current hardware/software setup (I > >>>>have RH9 K12LTSP servers) so ... I try and sort this out. I just hope > >>>>that the members of the list can tolerate my rantings as I slowly learn > >>>>what is needed to make this work. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks!!!! It is really, really appreciated. > >>>> > >>>>Dave Hopkins > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>For more info see > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>--------------------------------------------- > >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 9 01:59:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 In-Reply-To: <1120774357.14498.11.camel@server.byh.org> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1120774357.14498.11.camel@server.byh.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Don't know if these are FC4 issues or K12LTSP issues but: > > gpilotd crashes when a sync is attempted > ctrl-alt-fn does not open alternate consoles it seems to either go to a > blue screen or freeze the current screen. If the former you can ctrl- > alt-f7 back to the X session, if the latter you pretty much have to > ctrl-alt-delete to get out. These two are FC4 issues. I'll see if I can repeat them & file a bug report. Since you can repeat the problem, you might want to open a bug report yourself: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla > apt-get identified 2 broken packages: > > k12ltsp-utils:Depends:perl-IO-socket-SSL but it is not installable > Depends:yumex but it is... > tuxpaint-config:Depends:fltk but it is... > > using apt-get --fix install removed k12ltsp-education, k12ltsp-utils and > tuxpaint-config Apt also had a problem the new scribus package that was released last night. I fixed all three. Thanks! I uploaded new ISOs, I'll send a seperate announcement for that. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 9 02:04:58 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre 2 Message-ID: Many thanks to Gustav J Kramer for pointing out two dependancy issues with 4.4.0 pre1. 4.4.0 pre2 also includes a newer version of Scribus and several Fedora updates, including system-config-nfs, zlib, grep, selinux-policy-targeted, and the kernel. If no show-stopping bugs are reported by next week, this will become the official 4.4.0 release. You can grab the pre-release ISOs at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 04:14:55 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:14:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Eric, I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final release? John On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 14:58 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > > Is it possible to have everything on sunsite.utk.edu so that all > > updates get stuff from there? (I'll admit that my interest is largely > > selfish, but I'm bummed when I do an update pulling stuff from > > mesd.k12.or.us when I know that there's a mirror on campus.) > > Generally everything should always be in sync between mesd.k12.or.us and > sunsite.utk.edu. I sync the mirrors as part of rebuilding the repos. > > > 4.2.1EL is current on sunsite.utk.edu. > > I started mirroring 4.4.0, but it takes a *long* time to sync up a whole > tree from scratch. Something like 1-2 days IIRC. > > > Yum is configured to round-robin between mirrors. If you want to > use only one specific mirror, here is how to do it: > > 1) You'll find the repository definitions in /etc/yum.repos.d/, > k12ltsp.repo for example. > > 2) Within the *.repo file, you'll see a mirrorlist line, such as: > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 > > 3) stick the URL (http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2) > into a browser and it will retrieve the list of mirrors. Such as: > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/ > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/ > > 4) copy the URL of the mirror you want to use, comment out the "mirrorlist" > line, and add a "baseurl" line. Such as: > > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > # mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > baseurl=http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/ > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > 5) now yum will only query that one specific mirror. > > -Eric > > > On 7/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > >> > >>> Will the YUM UPDATE then also work with the EL version of K12LTSP just like it > >>> does with the Fedora Core versions? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >>> Will this version have its own repository > >>> of updates? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >>> Will it use CentOS's repositories? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >>> When I last tried CentOS, > >>> their repositories were unusably slow. Maybe that has been fixed. > >> > >> The K12LTSP 4.2.1EL repository includes the CentOS base OS & update > >> repositories. If it is too slow for you, you could always disable > >> those repos: edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add "enabled=0" > >> to any repos you don't want to use. > >> > >> They have seemed to be okay to me. > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Jay Pfaffman > > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 9 04:23:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Eric, > > I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > to try. Did you try again? There is only one mirror for 4.4.0 at the moment, if you can't get to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us you'll get this error. I also restarted my web server a couple of times tonight, but I did a "graceful" restart that is not supposed to be disruptive. Maybe you tried at exactly the wrong moment? Anyways, try it again and let me know of you are still having problems. I tested from several servers I have access to and they were all fine. > Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final > release? You will (no theory!) be able to yum/apt-get to 4.4.0 final. -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 04:47:36 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:47:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 21:23 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > Eric, > > > > I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: > > > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > > Setting up Update Process > > Setting up repositories > > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > > to try. > > Did you try again? > > There is only one mirror for 4.4.0 at the moment, if you can't get > to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us you'll get this error. I also restarted > my web server a couple of times tonight, but I did a "graceful" restart > that is not supposed to be disruptive. Maybe you tried at exactly the > wrong moment? > > Anyways, try it again and let me know of you are still having > problems. > > I tested from several servers I have access to and they were all fine. > > > Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final > > release? > > You will (no theory!) be able to yum/apt-get to 4.4.0 final. > -Eric I hit the site with links (I'm ssh-ing from home) but still get the same error: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us Theoretically = provided I haven't messed anything up ;-) BTW - This is a virgin install of pre1 As always, Thanks From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 9 05:05:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 21:23 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: >>> >>> [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update >>> Setting up Update Process >>> Setting up repositories >>> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp >>> failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors >>> to try. >> >> Did you try again? >> >> There is only one mirror for 4.4.0 at the moment, if you can't get >> to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us you'll get this error. I also restarted >> my web server a couple of times tonight, but I did a "graceful" restart >> that is not supposed to be disruptive. Maybe you tried at exactly the >> wrong moment? >> >> Anyways, try it again and let me know of you are still having >> problems. >> >> I tested from several servers I have access to and they were all fine. >> >>> Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final >>> release? >> >> You will (no theory!) be able to yum/apt-get to 4.4.0 final. >> -Eric > > > > I hit the site with links (I'm ssh-ing from home) > > but still get the same error: > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > to try. > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us First, let's verify that the k12ltsp.repo file has not been modified: rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo There should be output from this command (just a blank line). If you see something like this, your repository config had been changed: S.5....T. c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo Next, let's check the "mirrorlist" url in /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo | grep mirrorlist mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ And finally, let's check the URL for the mirror... $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ Here you should get a list like this: [DIR] RPMS/ 23-Jun-2005 10:57 - [DIR] SRPMS/ 28-Jun-2005 08:14 - [ ] TODO 06-Jul-2005 15:20 313 [DIR] headers/ 08-Jul-2005 18:47 - [DIR] i386/ 06-Jun-2005 19:45 - [DIR] iso/ 08-Jul-2005 18:32 - [DIR] repodata/ 08-Jul-2005 18:45 - [DIR] updates/ If you can get this far but yum still does not work, the only thing that jumps to mind is that you have proxy settings set in your shell environment that are different than in your /etc/yum.conf. Does your network require explicit proxy configurations? > Theoretically = provided I haven't messed anything up ;-) > > BTW - This is a virgin install of pre1 > > As always, Thanks As always, I hope I was of some help. -Eric From jimsd at ltsp.com Sat Jul 9 06:19:07 2005 From: jimsd at ltsp.com (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:19:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ? pre1 and EL In-Reply-To: <20050708023106.4B70873BBA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050708023106.4B70873BBA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1120889946.6441.34.camel@server.ltsp> 10. Re: K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL (Eric Harrison) What does "pre1" and "EL" after the version number (as shown above) mean? Thanks Jim From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Jul 9 06:59:06 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:59:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- BackupPC excludes not working Message-ID: <42CF75BA.4080305@snarlnet.com> Hello, Can someone suggest the proper syntax for getting excludes to work on my BackupPC installation? I want to exclude a certain folder from a user's home directory. Home is on a separate partition so it has it's own entry in the BackupPC conf under share names. I have this under rsync args: '--one-file-system', '--exclude=/var/spool/squid', '--exclude=slocated.db', '--exclude=/proc', '--exclude=/home/ckeil/secret', '--exclude=/home/www/k12ltsp' and this under conf(backupfilesexclude) : '/proc', '/var/spool/squid','slocate.db', '/home/ckeil/secret/*', '/home/www/k12ltsp/*'; why isn't this working. I just noticed that I have the /* in one place and not in the other, but I've tried it both ways in both places. A related question, how will I know this is working? I'm assuming that after the next incremental backup after I get this right then those directories won't appear in the backups. Is there a way to delete backed up information from the backup server? Thanks, ck From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Sat Jul 9 07:06:19 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:36:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] DISPLAY variable. In-Reply-To: <42C6352D.5060103@indoasian.com> References: <42C6352D.5060103@indoasian.com> Message-ID: <42CF776B.1090809@indoasian.com> Dear Sir, I had a strange problem as my DISPLAY variable is showing nothing on my ltsp server as well as client nodes !! [root at k12ltsp root]# echo $DISPLAY [bimal at k12ltsp bimal]$ echo $DISPLAY and because of this i am unable to execute a few programs like... [bimal at k12ltsp bimal]$ xhost + 10.10.2.3 xhost: unable to open display "" so i tried to set the variable(DISPLAY=:0.0) and exported it but then another issue cropped-up, as after this setting if any of the thin client logs-out, he is unable to log-in again as it says... "Your login lasts for less than 10 sec...." and did not let anyone to get in!! has anyone faced the same or any suggestion what to do??? thanks for any pointer. regards, Bimal Pandit NOTE:- I am using RH9 and ltsp - 3.0.2 From scott at hosef.org Sat Jul 9 08:21:55 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:21:55 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <200507082221.55923.scott@hosef.org> On Friday 08 July 2005 11:02 am, John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > I'm downloading iso's at the moment. > > We have two separate Internet connections. Can I point rsync to use a > gateway other than the computers default so I can utilize all available > bandwidth? If so how. At any rate I'm googling around and I bet I'll > find it eventually... Are the two gateways in the same IP range? If so, you just type route add -host 198.236.66.48 gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx if not, then you need to add a route to the network before you can add a route to the host. > > I'll send you a six pack of virtual beers if you beat me to it! Did I beat you? Can I drink those virtual beers now? Shoot, why ask. MMMMM! > > Thanks, hth --scott From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Jul 9 10:25:48 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:25:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wyse Winterm Client compatabilty Message-ID: <000d01c58470$9399c920$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List, Wondering if anyone has a link/list of any WyseWinterm client model numbers,that has been known to work with K12ltsp. There is a slew of model numbers of these,of course, & I have access to some,& I havent found out exactly what the model number.of these particular units are. ( Waiting on a phonecall).I do know these are Intel processor model Winterms. I've never seen how these units bootup. as far as firmware/BIOS/bootup options. Thanks, Barry From gumprechtm at msln.net Sat Jul 9 12:20:24 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:20:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap centos4 Message-ID: <42CFC108.5080502@msln.net> What should I get with a ldapsearch -x -b "dc=vcs,dc=org" "(ObjectClass=*)" command? I changed the search string to my own, but I can not find what I should get. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 13:05:35 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:05:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120914335.7476.12.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 22:05 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: snip --> > > > > > > I hit the site with links (I'm ssh-ing from home) > > > > but still get the same error: > > > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > > Setting up Update Process > > Setting up repositories > > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > > to try. > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > > First, let's verify that the k12ltsp.repo file has not been modified: > > rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > There should be output from this command (just a blank line). > If you see something like this, your repository config had been > changed: > > S.5....T. c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > > Next, let's check the "mirrorlist" url in /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo | grep mirrorlist > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > And finally, let's check the URL for the mirror... > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > Here you should get a list like this: > > [DIR] RPMS/ 23-Jun-2005 10:57 - > [DIR] SRPMS/ 28-Jun-2005 08:14 - > [ ] TODO 06-Jul-2005 15:20 313 > [DIR] headers/ 08-Jul-2005 18:47 - > [DIR] i386/ 06-Jun-2005 19:45 - > [DIR] iso/ 08-Jul-2005 18:32 - > [DIR] repodata/ 08-Jul-2005 18:45 - > [DIR] updates/ > > If you can get this far but yum still does not work, the only thing > that jumps to mind is that you have proxy settings set in your > shell environment that are different than in your /etc/yum.conf. > Does your network require explicit proxy configurations? > > > Theoretically = provided I haven't messed anything up ;-) > > > > BTW - This is a virgin install of pre1 > > > > As always, Thanks > > As always, I hope I was of some help. > > -Eric I can't run through this at the moment Eric but I thought I should mention that this was a server install + additional packages. MD5SUMS all check out. John From gumprechtm at msln.net Sat Jul 9 13:42:45 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:42:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap centos4 In-Reply-To: <42CFC108.5080502@msln.net> References: <42CFC108.5080502@msln.net> Message-ID: <42CFD455.4070401@msln.net> OK, I can Join an xp machine to the domain. The win98 machine will not. I'm running 98 os2, So the clear text passwords should be disabled. Is there some setting that is likely I missed? Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > What should I get with a > > ldapsearch -x -b "dc=vcs,dc=org" "(ObjectClass=*)" > command? I changed the search string to my own, but I can not find > what I should get. > Mark > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jul 9 14:12:14 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:12:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CFDB3E.9080702@comcast.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Many thanks to Gustav J Kramer for pointing out two dependancy issues > with 4.4.0 pre1. > > 4.4.0 pre2 also includes a newer version of Scribus and several Fedora > updates, including system-config-nfs, zlib, grep, > selinux-policy-targeted, > and the kernel. > > If no show-stopping bugs are reported by next week, this will become the > official 4.4.0 release. > > You can grab the pre-release ISOs at: > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Don't know if it qualifies as a bug, but if SELinux is enabled, the Samba/LDAP wasn't working for me on an fc4 x86_64 system. Error was that secrets.tdb couldn't be found. Has something to do with the SELinux policies, but I didn't explore further. I am assuming that 4.4.0 is built on fc4 so same issue might arise. Dave ... From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 14:27:56 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:27:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell CERC ATA100/4Ch raid controller on FC 4 Message-ID: <1120919276.7476.29.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> I could use some input. Before I go down too many blind paths here is the situation. We have a LAMP/Samba server running FC1 installed from k12ltsp 4.0 Samba needs to be upgraded but I ran into dependency / version issues. I tried installing FC4 yesterday afternoon (not the same box I was working on last night) There is an issue with the CERC ATA100/4Ch raid controller on new kernels. Would I be better installing FC 4 with an older kernel that has the driver built in Try to patch the kernel with a different driver Work out the dependency issues on the now outdated FC1? Thoughts, Ideas ? John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 15:11:32 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:11:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ? pre1 and EL In-Reply-To: <1120889946.6441.34.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050708023106.4B70873BBA@hormel.redhat.com> <1120889946.6441.34.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1120921892.7476.35.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Jim, There are two distos that Eric is building k12 on. EL is for Centos / Redhat Enterprise Linux based K12LTSP version numbers which don't include the EL are Fedora Based. pre = somewhere between Beta builds and the final newest release. John On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 23:19 -0700, Jim Doyle wrote: > 10. Re: K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL (Eric Harrison) > > What does "pre1" and "EL" after the version number (as shown above) mean? > > Thanks > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Sat Jul 9 15:03:46 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:33:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- BackupPC excludes not working In-Reply-To: <20050709130030.9678573F6C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050709130030.9678573F6C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42CFE752.4040304@indoasian.com> Dear Sir, -------------------- SNIP --------------------------- Can someone suggest the proper syntax for getting excludes to work on my BackupPC installation? I want to exclude a certain folder from a user's home directory. Home is on a separate partition so it has it's own entry in the BackupPC conf under share names. I have this under rsync args: '--one-file-system', '--exclude=/var/spool/squid', '--exclude=slocated.db', '--exclude=/proc', '--exclude=/home/ckeil/secret', '--exclude=/home/www/k12ltsp' and this under conf(backupfilesexclude) : '/proc', '/var/spool/squid','slocate.db', '/home/ckeil/secret/*', '/home/www/k12ltsp/*'; why isn't this working. I just noticed that I have the /* in one place and not in the other, but I've tried it both ways in both places. A related question, how will I know this is working? I'm assuming that after the next incremental backup after I get this right then those directories won't appear in the backups. Is there a way to delete backed up information from the backup server? -------------------- SNIP --------------------------- here is my document, "http://fedoranews.org/contributors/" am sending as attachement for your kind reference in case it is not accessible. regards, Bimal -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: bimal_article_backuppc_150405.txt URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 15:18:12 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:18:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <200507082221.55923.scott@hosef.org> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <200507082221.55923.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1120922292.7476.43.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Scott, Same IP range But can I connect to one IP via two separate gateways simultaneously how would I type in the command? Thanks for the input. John Oh, As for the beer I think I'll tap a virtual keg and let everyone have at it. On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 22:21 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Friday 08 July 2005 11:02 am, John Baillie wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm downloading iso's at the moment. > > > > We have two separate Internet connections. Can I point rsync to use a > > gateway other than the computers default so I can utilize all available > > bandwidth? If so how. At any rate I'm googling around and I bet I'll > > find it eventually... > > Are the two gateways in the same IP range? If so, you just type > > route add -host 198.236.66.48 gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > > if not, then you need to add a route to the network before you can add a route > to the host. > > > > > I'll send you a six pack of virtual beers if you beat me to it! > > Did I beat you? Can I drink those virtual beers now? Shoot, why ask. MMMMM! > > > > > Thanks, > > hth > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 9 15:55:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:55:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 Message-ID: Getting ready to make some decisions as to what version to run for this school year....I'm also buying my first truly dedicated thin-client lab...something like LTSP Term 150's or similar. My question...I know that Scott Balneaves had gotten hotplug devices working in LTSP and I had a chance to see it work at Gould Academy on their network when I hosted the Northeast Linux Conference....simply plug in the USB key....in their case Konqueror pops up and you can drag on and off...etc. Unplug it and it goes away. Has this been implemented in some fashion in K12LTSP 4.4 or will I have to configure it manually? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From kevin_myer at iu13.org Sat Jul 9 15:58:45 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:58:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <1120922292.7476.43.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <200507082221.55923.scott@hosef.org> <1120922292.7476.43.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <20050709115845.rjn212z60wqo4ko0@webapps.iu13.org> Quoting John Baillie : > Scott, > > Same IP range > > But can I connect to one IP via two separate gateways simultaneously > how would I type in the command? Use an intelligent routing protocol that will route traffic based on metrics, such as overall utilization of links. Or if the two Internet connections are not in place for failover and redundancy, but just to provide additional bandwidth, investigate ways to bond them to provide a larger pipe, instead of two smaller pipes. Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 9 16:00:40 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, David Trask wrote: > Getting ready to make some decisions as to what version to run for this > school year....I'm also buying my first truly dedicated thin-client > lab...something like LTSP Term 150's or similar. My question...I know > that Scott Balneaves had gotten hotplug devices working in LTSP and I had > a chance to see it work at Gould Academy on their network when I hosted > the Northeast Linux Conference....simply plug in the USB key....in their > case Konqueror pops up and you can drag on and off...etc. Unplug it and > it goes away. Has this been implemented in some fashion in K12LTSP 4.4 or > will I have to configure it manually? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 9 16:15:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:15:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around Message-ID: This year I'm doing my first totally dedicated thin-client lab....until this year we've had the ability to dual boot....WinXP or LTSP....(which we used most of the time). I'm try to decide on a thin-client model such as the LTSP Term 150 (I have no more than $279 per unit budgeted....and I need 28 or so...I already have monitors and keyboards/mice) Anyway...two dilemmas....I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the water. So.... Couple ideas I'm tossing around.... 1. Go with something like an NTAVO NTA 6010B http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php Which has a flash based OS on it and has the RDP, ICA, X, Firfox...etc already on it so at least they could get to my Win Terminal Server or at least the Internet.... 2. Buy something like the LTSP Term 150 and possibly also buy (which I've budgeted for) USB keys for each machine that can be made bootable with something like Puppy Linux (Flash Puppy) or Damn Small Linux...but I don't know for sure if the Term 150 will boot via USB....but anyway...they could be handed out...they can boot via USB and at least get to the 'Net. 3. Buy a mini-ITX barebones like this one http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=203 (I have one so I know they work...though mine has no CD drive) and add a CD drive along with 256 mb RAM and make my own LIVE CD from Knoppix or better yet....PCLinuxOS (very easy to make your own Live CD with all your own configs in place)....that way if the server goes down...just pop in the disc and they can boot into a Live CD Remember, this is my lab I'm mostly worried about....I'm open to all sorts of suggestions....my biggest things that are truly important....small size and very quiet. I'm even willing to entertain a unit with a HD and a locally loaded version of Linux (for emergencies) if it's VERY quiet (fanless or very quiet)...and small. So....fire away! I could use some ideas, thoughts, and opinions. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 9 16:22:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:22:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim McQuillan on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 12:00 PM +0000 wrote: >David, > >I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in >straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still >having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a >file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. > >BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past >week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready >for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we >come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. Very cool! I suspected as much and I'm not afraid of doing it myself either....I was simply wondering. I'm agonizing over little things this summer as I have nothing to "invent" like last summer when I had to completely rewrite my Samba/LDAP setup...thanks to the guys at Samba changing everything around *bastards ;-)* Now I'm getting ready to implement my first TRULY thin-client lab (the little devices like the Term 150's I already have)....so I'm trying to figure out the best way to go. While I have your attention...what's the sound issue with the new Term 140? Has it been figured out? It's an attractive model, but the sound is a MUST in a school. Just curious... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jul 9 17:10:40 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:10:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D00510.8000506@comcast.net> David Trask wrote: >This year I'm doing my first totally dedicated thin-client lab....until >this year we've had the ability to dual boot....WinXP or LTSP....(which we >used most of the time). I'm try to decide on a thin-client model such as >the LTSP Term 150 (I have no more than $279 per unit budgeted....and I >need 28 or so...I already have monitors and keyboards/mice) Anyway...two >dilemmas....I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while >I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into >Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as >well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 >over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to >dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the >water. So.... > >3. Buy a mini-ITX barebones like this one >http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=203 (I have one so I know they >work...though mine has no CD drive) and add a CD drive along with 256 mb >RAM and make my own LIVE CD from Knoppix or better yet....PCLinuxOS (very >easy to make your own Live CD with all your own configs in place)....that >way if the server goes down...just pop in the disc and they can boot into >a Live CD > >Remember, this is my lab I'm mostly worried about....I'm open to all sorts >of suggestions....my biggest things that are truly important....small size >and very quiet. I'm even willing to entertain a unit with a HD and a >locally loaded version of Linux (for emergencies) if it's VERY quiet >(fanless or very quiet)...and small. So....fire away! I could use some >ideas, thoughts, and opinions. > > > > David, NCS has been running a dedicated thin client lab for 2 years now, and the server has only gone down hard once (for 1 day). At present there aren't any MS-based PC's on any desks except the front office/staff areas (all the teachers use thin clients as well). We use Casetronic mini-itx systems (no floppy, no cdrom, just a single stick of 128Mb memory and USB ports) for lab, recycled systems elsewhere. In an emergency, I can flip the thin clients to a second (backup) k12ltsp server which exists 'just in case'. It also does some other things, but can pick up the slack in an emergency by switching the cable from the failed server to the second NIC and just reboot the clients (have to keep some conf files in sync to make this work). For our setup, the key issue has been redundancy/backup solutions. (This is a big reason for the new server that is going on-line this fall.) If you are getting a new server for the lab (with redundant power, Raid 1/5 for OS/home + hot spare + UPS), it takes alot to take such a system completely down (in my experience to date). The students/teachers just expect that the system works at this point without any suprises. Given my choice, I would choose something fanless, and small footprint (we put LCD monitors in the lab). I would also look at putting a second server on-line if your budget allows it. For the cdroms, we have put ISO images on the file server, loopback mounted them, and then just access them 'as if' it was the cdrom drive for those that need them. It works, but we haven't had a real need to do anything with MS-based software that needs a dedicated cdrom. Also, I thought you were using rdesktop to access a Win2K server for some apps. And don't you also have all those student laptop systems as well? Could they fill in an emergency to connect to some other server? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 9 17:10:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:10:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to choose alternate gateway? In-Reply-To: <1120922292.7476.43.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1120856571.26160.34.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <200507082221.55923.scott@hosef.org> <1120922292.7476.43.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120929044.10942.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:18, John Baillie wrote: > Scott, > > Same IP range > > But can I connect to one IP via two separate gateways simultaneously > how would I type in the command? You can't have one instance of a program using one gateway to the same destination and a different one running at the same time on the same machine without serious tricks like VMWare. If you can find a mirror at a different address you can: route add -host mirror_address gw alternate_gateway Then download different isos from each site to use both lines at the same time. Anything but the address specified in the route command will continue to go to the default gateway. Or, use a different machine with a different default gateway setting and drop the files in a shared directory. That approach will work even with a single remote address. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 9 17:16:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:16:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120929401.10942.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 11:22, David Trask wrote: > I'm agonizing over little things this > summer as I have nothing to "invent" like last summer when I had to > completely rewrite my Samba/LDAP setup...thanks to the guys at Samba > changing everything around *bastards ;-)* You can do it again this summer to use the new/improved Fedora/RH directory server instead of openldap. It looks much more robust. It would be really great to have that glued into http://www.openfiler.org/ for home directories and account administration so any number of k12ltsp servers can be added with no local configuration needed. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 9 17:17:33 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > David, > > I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in > straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still > having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a > file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. K12LTSP is running straight LTSP 4.1.1. K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. > BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past > week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready > for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we > come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. Of course the next release of LTSP will be packaged up and included in K12LTSP as well... ;-) -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 9 17:47:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, I'll lay the guilt trip on you. Buying a T-150 from DisklessWorkstations.com is a great way to show your support of the LTSP project. The two guys that started LTSP are also the two guys that own DisklessWorkstations.com. I'm one of them. Ron Colcernian is the other. There's lots of people selling hardware out there, but how many of them can say that they are really supporting LTSP, Linux and Open Source in general. Yeah, I know there are a few others, and I really appreciate any company that is helping to promote what we are all doing. The T-150 will definately boot from USB. I've done it many times. As for the cost, if you are looking to buy a quantity, like 28, please talk to Erick Tyack (etyack at DisklessWorkstations.Com), and lets see if we can work something out. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, David Trask wrote: > This year I'm doing my first totally dedicated thin-client lab....until > this year we've had the ability to dual boot....WinXP or LTSP....(which we > used most of the time). I'm try to decide on a thin-client model such as > the LTSP Term 150 (I have no more than $279 per unit budgeted....and I > need 28 or so...I already have monitors and keyboards/mice) Anyway...two > dilemmas....I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while > I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into > Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as > well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 > over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to > dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the > water. So.... > > Couple ideas I'm tossing around.... > > 1. Go with something like an NTAVO NTA 6010B > http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php Which has a flash based OS on it and > has the RDP, ICA, X, Firfox...etc already on it so at least they could get > to my Win Terminal Server or at least the Internet.... > > 2. Buy something like the LTSP Term 150 and possibly also buy (which I've > budgeted for) USB keys for each machine that can be made bootable with > something like Puppy Linux (Flash Puppy) or Damn Small Linux...but I don't > know for sure if the Term 150 will boot via USB....but anyway...they could > be handed out...they can boot via USB and at least get to the 'Net. > > 3. Buy a mini-ITX barebones like this one > http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=203 (I have one so I know they > work...though mine has no CD drive) and add a CD drive along with 256 mb > RAM and make my own LIVE CD from Knoppix or better yet....PCLinuxOS (very > easy to make your own Live CD with all your own configs in place)....that > way if the server goes down...just pop in the disc and they can boot into > a Live CD > > Remember, this is my lab I'm mostly worried about....I'm open to all sorts > of suggestions....my biggest things that are truly important....small size > and very quiet. I'm even willing to entertain a unit with a HD and a > locally loaded version of Linux (for emergencies) if it's VERY quiet > (fanless or very quiet)...and small. So....fire away! I could use some > ideas, thoughts, and opinions. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 9 17:49:45 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, David Trask wrote: > Jim McQuillan on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 12:00 PM +0000 > wrote: > >David, > > > >I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in > >straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still > >having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a > >file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. > > > >BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past > >week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready > >for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we > >come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. > > Very cool! I suspected as much and I'm not afraid of doing it myself > either....I was simply wondering. I'm agonizing over little things this > summer as I have nothing to "invent" like last summer when I had to > completely rewrite my Samba/LDAP setup...thanks to the guys at Samba > changing everything around *bastards ;-)* Now I'm getting ready to > implement my first TRULY thin-client lab (the little devices like the Term > 150's I already have)....so I'm trying to figure out the best way to go. > While I have your attention...what's the sound issue with the new Term > 140? Has it been figured out? It's an attractive model, but the sound is > a MUST in a school. Just curious... The sound problem on the T-140 is the driver for the audio chip. I had a hard time getting my hands on the driver source code, but fortunately, I now have the code. I've just not had a chance to integrate it into the LTSP kernels. Once I get the local dev stuff further along, I'll look at putting out a new kernel. If anybody wants to build their own kernel and include the driver, let me know, and I'll send you the code. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 18:19:35 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:19:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120933175.7476.70.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> I'll chime in David. We have found K12LTSP to be pretty darn stable. >From January - May we had to reboot one of the K12 servers that feeds the lab once. The other one was up the whole school year. And we had to reboot the K12 server that feeds the terminals in the 3rd and 4th grade classes once. These are in heavy use every day. It's quicker to reboot the server than bring 28 seats up to an alternative OS. I'll bet someone on your staff would be willing to learn the basic steps to recycle the server. Of course this will only need to be done when indeed and in-fact out of town! With the students /home on a dedicated server the power recycle of a server is no hassle at all. I agree with the comment of adding an additional server. Last week someone posted a server configuration for 1500.00 that should in their opinion run 40 clients. That may be pushing it a little but it might work well for 28 clients. We are very happy with our Compaq EN SFF PII and PIII small foot print and can be found on ebay for 50 -75 and they boot off the on board nic. But I look forward to swapping them out for JTerms when the budget allows. BTW I won an LTSP Term 150 workstation, LTSP on CD and LTSP Polo! at NECC. Thanks disklessworkstations.com! John On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 12:15 -0400, David Trask wrote: > This year I'm doing my first totally dedicated thin-client lab....until > this year we've had the ability to dual boot....WinXP or LTSP....(which we > used most of the time). I'm try to decide on a thin-client model such as > the LTSP Term 150 (I have no more than $279 per unit budgeted....and I > need 28 or so...I already have monitors and keyboards/mice) Anyway...two > dilemmas....I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while > I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into > Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as > well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 > over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to > dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the > water. So.... > > Couple ideas I'm tossing around.... > > 1. Go with something like an NTAVO NTA 6010B > http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php Which has a flash based OS on it and > has the RDP, ICA, X, Firfox...etc already on it so at least they could get > to my Win Terminal Server or at least the Internet.... > > 2. Buy something like the LTSP Term 150 and possibly also buy (which I've > budgeted for) USB keys for each machine that can be made bootable with > something like Puppy Linux (Flash Puppy) or Damn Small Linux...but I don't > know for sure if the Term 150 will boot via USB....but anyway...they could > be handed out...they can boot via USB and at least get to the 'Net. > > 3. Buy a mini-ITX barebones like this one > http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=203 (I have one so I know they > work...though mine has no CD drive) and add a CD drive along with 256 mb > RAM and make my own LIVE CD from Knoppix or better yet....PCLinuxOS (very > easy to make your own Live CD with all your own configs in place)....that > way if the server goes down...just pop in the disc and they can boot into > a Live CD > > Remember, this is my lab I'm mostly worried about....I'm open to all sorts > of suggestions....my biggest things that are truly important....small size > and very quiet. I'm even willing to entertain a unit with a HD and a > locally loaded version of Linux (for emergencies) if it's VERY quiet > (fanless or very quiet)...and small. So....fire away! I could use some > ideas, thoughts, and opinions. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 9 18:52:41 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:52:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120935161.7476.91.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 22:05 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 21:23 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > >> > >>> Eric, > >>> > >>> I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: > >>> > >>> [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > >>> Setting up Update Process > >>> Setting up repositories > >>> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > >>> failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > >>> to try. > >> > >> Did you try again? > >> > >> There is only one mirror for 4.4.0 at the moment, if you can't get > >> to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us you'll get this error. I also restarted > >> my web server a couple of times tonight, but I did a "graceful" restart > >> that is not supposed to be disruptive. Maybe you tried at exactly the > >> wrong moment? > >> > >> Anyways, try it again and let me know of you are still having > >> problems. > >> > >> I tested from several servers I have access to and they were all fine. > >> > >>> Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final > >>> release? > >> > >> You will (no theory!) be able to yum/apt-get to 4.4.0 final. > >> -Eric > > > > > > > > I hit the site with links (I'm ssh-ing from home) > > > > but still get the same error: > > > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > > Setting up Update Process > > Setting up repositories > > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > > to try. > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > > First, let's verify that the k12ltsp.repo file has not been modified: > > rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > There should be output from this command (just a blank line). > If you see something like this, your repository config had been > changed: > > S.5....T. c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > > Next, let's check the "mirrorlist" url in /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo | grep mirrorlist > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > And finally, let's check the URL for the mirror... > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > Here you should get a list like this: > > [DIR] RPMS/ 23-Jun-2005 10:57 - > [DIR] SRPMS/ 28-Jun-2005 08:14 - > [ ] TODO 06-Jul-2005 15:20 313 > [DIR] headers/ 08-Jul-2005 18:47 - > [DIR] i386/ 06-Jun-2005 19:45 - > [DIR] iso/ 08-Jul-2005 18:32 - > [DIR] repodata/ 08-Jul-2005 18:45 - > [DIR] updates/ > > If you can get this far but yum still does not work, the only thing > that jumps to mind is that you have proxy settings set in your > shell environment that are different than in your /etc/yum.conf. > Does your network require explicit proxy configurations? > > > Theoretically = provided I haven't messed anything up ;-) > > > > BTW - This is a virgin install of pre1 > > > > As always, Thanks > > As always, I hope I was of some help. > > -Eric Eric, I just go around to going through your suggestions. Here are the results: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo .......TC c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp-webmin.repo .......TC c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# cat /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo | grep mirrorlist mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 Accessing http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 with links looks normal. One line with http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ And finally I get the following list from accessing http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ Index of /K12LTSP/4.4.0 Icon Name Last modified Size Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [DIR] Parent Directory - [DIR] RPMS/ 23-Jun-2005 10:57 - [DIR] SRPMS/ 28-Jun-2005 08:14 - [ ] TODO 06-Jul-2005 15:20 313 [DIR] headers/ 08-Jul-2005 18:47 - [DIR] i386/ 06-Jun-2005 19:45 - [DIR] iso/ 08-Jul-2005 18:32 - [DIR] repodata/ 08-Jul-2005 18:45 - [DIR] updates/ 08-Jul-2005 10:13 - As I mentioned I did a clean install of server setup with some additional selections no errors or anything during the install. First step after install was I tried apt-get update - no go Second step yum install apt-get - no go Third step yum update - no go Fourth step called for assistance. Any clues? John From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Jul 9 18:48:35 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:48:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT- BackupPC excludes not working (Bimal Pandit) Message-ID: <42D01C03.8090004@snarlnet.com> Thank you so much Bimal. I made my document look more like yours and we'll see tomorrow morning if the excludes are working. You're a prince. ck Bimal wrote: >here is my document, "http://fedoranews.org/contributors/" >am sending as attachement for your kind reference in case it is not >accessible. > >regards, > >Bimal From kevin_myer at iu13.org Sat Jul 9 19:06:42 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:06:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: <1120933175.7476.70.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1120933175.7476.70.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <20050709150642.rtn5w5r25d8oww40@webapps.iu13.org> I'd second the idea of building failover and redundancy into your backend servers. Build or buy a server that has redundant NICs, power supplies, disk drives, etc. Build or buy a server that is exactly the same as the one you use in production and keep it up to date and mirror the configs. When you need to update something for security purposes, try it out on your spare first, work out the kinks, then make the spare your production server and wait a few days and update your old production server. If something tanks after an upgrade you have an easy backout strategy. These are general principals, but certainly apply to K12LTSP: 1) Plan for redundancy - buy two of every server, identically configured if possible 2) Plan for backout - always be able to revert to a known good config or known good version of software (two servers helps a lot with this) 3) Test your failover/redundancy plan periodically - know how things will react in an emergency, such as a down server. Do staff know what cables to switch or switches to throw? Is there a way to make this seamless and transparent by using a failover technology? Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From kevin_myer at iu13.org Sat Jul 9 19:10:02 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:10:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: <20050709150642.rtn5w5r25d8oww40@webapps.iu13.org> References: <1120933175.7476.70.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <20050709150642.rtn5w5r25d8oww40@webapps.iu13.org> Message-ID: <20050709151002.za6a2e5vm1z8ko0c@webapps.iu13.org> Quoting Kevin Myer : > > These are general principals, but certainly apply to K12LTSP: principles, even, although if principals are using the terminals, they apply to principals too :D Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jul 9 22:58:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:58:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server Message-ID: <200507100105.j6A15XS03815@downeast.net> i have a term-150 if you'd like to exeriment with it..it belongs to disklessworkstations and is here to show off...chuck > This year I'm doing my first totally dedicated thin-client lab....until > this year we've had the ability to dual boot....WinXP or LTSP....(which we > used most of the time). I'm try to decide on a thin-client model such as > the LTSP Term 150 (I have no more than $279 per unit budgeted....and I > need 28 or so...I already have monitors and keyboards/mice) Anyway...two > dilemmas....I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while > I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into > Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as > well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 > over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to > dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the > water. So.... > > Couple ideas I'm tossing around.... > > 1. Go with something like an NTAVO NTA 6010B > http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php Which has a flash based OS on it and > has the RDP, ICA, X, Firfox...etc already on it so at least they could get > to my Win Terminal Server or at least the Internet.... > > 2. Buy something like the LTSP Term 150 and possibly also buy (which I've > budgeted for) USB keys for each machine that can be made bootable with > something like Puppy Linux (Flash Puppy) or Damn Small Linux...but I don't > know for sure if the Term 150 will boot via USB....but anyway...they could > be handed out...they can boot via USB and at least get to the 'Net. > > 3. Buy a mini-ITX barebones like this one > http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=203 (I have one so I know they > work...though mine has no CD drive) and add a CD drive along with 256 mb > RAM and make my own LIVE CD from Knoppix or better yet....PCLinuxOS (very > easy to make your own Live CD with all your own configs in place)....that > way if the server goes down...just pop in the disc and they can boot into > a Live CD > > Remember, this is my lab I'm mostly worried about....I'm open to all sorts > of suggestions....my biggest things that are truly important....small size > and very quiet. I'm even willing to entertain a unit with a HD and a > locally loaded version of Linux (for emergencies) if it's VERY quiet > (fanless or very quiet)...and small. So....fire away! I could use some > ideas, thoughts, and opinions. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From olivos at markham.edu.pe Sun Jul 10 01:53:43 2005 From: olivos at markham.edu.pe (Omar Olivos) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:53:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client Message-ID: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Hi, In a recent meeting at my school we were discussing Thin Client technology. Some people in the meeting were under the impression that Thin Client technology is old and is not used anymore by 'big' schools. (We have two sections with more than 600 students in each section). Or if it used it is not done successfully. It was very difficult for me to convince them other wise. I have been using K12LTSP in a computer lab and with a small number of children and talked about the benefits but evidence of 'real' success was requested. Anybody on the list could contact me with any 'big' school that is using thin client technology 'successfully'? So that I can actually 'prove' that K12LTSP is a very good option. Thanks for your help, Omar Olivos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 02:11:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:11:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server=?ISO-8859-1?Q? down_?= and In-Reply-To: <42D00510.8000506@comcast.net> References: <42D00510.8000506@comcast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 1:10 PM +0000 wrote: >Also, I thought you were using rdesktop to access a Win2K server for >some apps. I do...unfortunately though if the clients don't boot I can't use rdesktop :-) >And don't you also have all those student laptop systems as >well? Could they fill in an emergency to connect to some other server? In this case the laptops are assigned to 7th and 8th graders as part of the state 1-to-1 laptop program....so therefore they are not available. It'd be like asking folks for their personal laptops to fill the void....all those laptops have the kids stuff and their own modifications...etc. on them. I am encouraged to hear about the Casetronics system...that was the one I'm looking at where I "might" add a slim CD drive to. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 02:13:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:13:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: <1120929401.10942.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > < > <1120929401.10942.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 1:16 PM +0000 wrote: >You can do it again this summer to use the new/improved Fedora/RH >directory server instead of openldap. It looks much more robust. > >It would be really great to have that glued into >http://www.openfiler.org/ for home directories and account >administration so any number of k12ltsp servers can be added >with no local configuration needed. Les, Not having looked at Fedora directory server....is there a Samba piece to it as well? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From richard at richardljohnson.com Sun Jul 10 02:10:18 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:10:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Message-ID: <42D0838A.5050706@richardljohnson.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 02:32:29 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:32:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server In-Reply-To: <200507100105.j6A15XS03815@downeast.net> References: <200507100105.j6A15XS03815@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 6:58 PM +0000 wrote: >i have a term-150 if you'd like to exeriment with it..it belongs to >disklessworkstations and is here to show off...chuck I already have a couple...just haven't been in to school to test the USB boot piece. I took them to Gould to the NELS conference....need to unpack them :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 02:36:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:36:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <42D0838A.5050706@richardljohnson.com> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> <42D0838A.5050706@richardljohnson.com> Message-ID: Though the recent thread doesn't make it seem like it, I have many thin-clients (most recycled PC's or dual boot with floppy disks) in my school of about 600 users. My lab has 28 units....the library has 10 units...and then we have at least 2 in every classroom k-6 (the 7 & 8 grades have laptops). Works fine and I've never really had issues except the occasional need to reboot the server (once or twice a year). Much better than the many times I had to reboot Windows servers ;-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 10:10 PM +0000 wrote: >I would also like to know because I am researching use in a Public >Library setting (40-50 systems) at multiple branches. > >Richard- > >Omar Olivos wrote: > > > >Hi, > >In a recent meeting at my school we were discussing Thin Client >technology. Some people in the meeting were under the impression that >Thin Client technology is old and is not used anymore by ?big? schools. >(We have two sections with more than 600 students in each section). Or if >it used it is not done successfully. It was very difficult for me to >convince them other wise. I have been using K12LTSP in a computer lab and >with a small number of children and talked about the benefits but >evidence of ?real? success was requested. Anybody on the list could >contact me with any ?big? school that is using thin client technology >?successfully?? So that I can actually ?prove? that K12LTSP is a very >good option. > >Thanks for your help, > >Omar Olivos David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 03:10:04 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:10:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Message-ID: <1120965004.7476.222.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 20:53 -0500, Omar Olivos wrote: > Hi, > > > > In a recent meeting at my school we were discussing Thin Client > technology. Some people in the meeting were under the impression that > Thin Client technology is old and is not used anymore by ?big? > schools. (We have two sections with more than 600 students in each > section). Or if it used it is not done successfully. It was very > difficult for me to convince them other wise. I have been using > K12LTSP in a computer lab and with a small number of children and > talked about the benefits but evidence of ?real? success was > requested. Anybody on the list could contact me with any ?big? school > that is using thin client technology ?successfully?? So that I can > actually ?prove? that K12LTSP is a very good option. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Omar Olivos Hello Omar, Take a look at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/SuccessStories but this does not give the whole story. There are far more schools doing this in varying degrees than what is represented. Here's my take. K12LTSP will stand on it's own merits depending on your needs. Here's something to put forth: The higher the computer to student ratio the more easily a teacher can integrate computers into their classroom planning. Set up a demo and ask the teachers and or students if they would rather have 10 K12 terminals in their classroom or 2 or three new stand alone traditional computers and see what they say. You will not find a more cost efficient way of providing Web browsing, office suite use and image editing to students than k12ltsp. Not to mention stability and ease of maintenance. You also have to calculate how much computer time each student actually has each week and what is the best use of that rather limited time. I recently attended the NECC and looked at gobs of software and as I walked around I kept asking my self how much time do the teachers have to rotate these offerings into their curriculum and how are the students really going to be any better off at the end of the grading period for having used it? Not to mention the time to train the teachers and the time it takes for the teacher to make up lesson plans with said software. How many software titles are sitting on shelves in schools all over that have barely been touched. There is much more to all this than terminals vs. standalone or K12LTSP vs. Windows or Apple. Teachers fresh out of college have very little training in how computers fit into their curriculum. I can tell that the edu-software vendors are having a rough time of it these days by the lack of swag at the convention. It's been 3 years since I attended a convention and to tell you the truth I didn't see where edu-software has made any great strides. To surmise, look at all you can teach and expose your students to with K12 in the limited time available and weigh that against the cost of keeping up with "The Latest and Greatest" (don't forget it will be made to look outdated again in three years). We are a prek - 8th school with 450 students and have been using k12ltsp full time in the lab for 3 years and by December we will have six terminals, one dualboot Windows 2000 and 2 new XP machines in each classroom grades 3 - 8th. hth, John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 03:28:34 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:28:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal In-Reply-To: References: <1120933175.7476.70.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120966114.7476.226.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> I'm looking for it David. It was just posted within the last few days. It looks like google does not search the current month of this list. John On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 22:30 -0400, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 2:19 PM +0000 wrote: > >Last week someone posted a server configuration for > >1500.00 > > Anyone know where this is? I'd like to see it.... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jul 10 03:30:22 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:30:22 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:17 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: -snip- > K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration > that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive > into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. I've not worked out how to access this feature on a desktop sans icons, as comes with Xfce. I guess IceWM users would have the same issue without desktop icons. So, how _do_ I access removable from terminal utilising the tweaks you wrote to make it easy, Eric? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Jul 10 03:34:05 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:34:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646699@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Dave, Yes.. somebody put up a howto to integrate with samba! W00t! http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:Samba I hope to test that out soon. Henry -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org] Sent: Sat 7/9/2005 10:13 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Jim McQuillan; eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Subject: Re: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 1:16 PM +0000 wrote: >You can do it again this summer to use the new/improved Fedora/RH >directory server instead of openldap. It looks much more robust. > >It would be really great to have that glued into >http://www.openfiler.org/ for home directories and account >administration so any number of k12ltsp servers can be added >with no local configuration needed. Les, Not having looked at Fedora directory server....is there a Samba piece to it as well? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 10 03:56:16 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:17 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > -snip- > >> K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration >> that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive >> into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. > > I've not worked out how to access this feature on a desktop sans icons, > as comes with Xfce. I guess IceWM users would have the same issue > without desktop icons. So, how _do_ I access removable from terminal > utilising the tweaks you wrote to make it easy, Eric? The "floppy icon" just runs MToolsFM. So create a launcher (or whatever they happen to call it in Xfce) for that application and you should be good to go. -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jul 10 04:12:30 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:12:30 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 20:56 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:17 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > -snip- > > > >> K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration > >> that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive > >> into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. > > > > I've not worked out how to access this feature on a desktop sans icons, > > as comes with Xfce. I guess IceWM users would have the same issue > > without desktop icons. So, how _do_ I access removable from terminal > > utilising the tweaks you wrote to make it easy, Eric? > > The "floppy icon" just runs MToolsFM. So create a launcher (or whatever > they happen to call it in Xfce) for that application and you should > be good to go. > > -Eric > I'm having a dumb attack here, Eric. Typing mtoolsfm from a terminal is no go. So, I went looking for it: [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtoolsfm /etc/mtoolsfm.conf [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtools /usr/bin/mtools /usr/bin/mtoolstest /usr/share/zsh/4.2.0/functions/_mtools /usr/share/info/mtools.info.gz /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9 /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/README /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/Changelog /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/Release.notes /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/COPYING /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9 /usr/share/man/man5/mtools.5.gz /usr/share/man/man1/mtoolstest.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/mtools.1.gz /usr/lib/syslinux/syslinux-nomtools [gavin at local ~]$ which mtoolsfm /usr/bin/which: no mtoolsfm in (/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/gavin/bin) So, mtools can be invoked with /usr/bin/mtools, but then I have to enter the command parameters to make it function. Should I RTFM to get mtools working?? But, it seems that you've made it easier than this, so why is mtoolsfm apparently useless on my standard k12ltsp v4.2.0 without desktop icons? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 10 04:26:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: >>> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:17 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> The "floppy icon" just runs MToolsFM. So create a launcher (or whatever >> they happen to call it in Xfce) for that application and you should >> be good to go. > I'm having a dumb attack here, Eric. Typing mtoolsfm from a terminal is > no go. So, I went looking for it: > > [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtoolsfm > /etc/mtoolsfm.conf It is one of those rare mixed-case commands... $ locate MToolsFM /usr/X11R6/bin/MToolsFM -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 04:34:21 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:34:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120970061.7476.229.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 12:12 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 20:56 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 10:17 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > -snip- > > > > > >> K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration > > >> that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive > > >> into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. > > > > > > I've not worked out how to access this feature on a desktop sans icons, > > > as comes with Xfce. I guess IceWM users would have the same issue > > > without desktop icons. So, how _do_ I access removable from terminal > > > utilising the tweaks you wrote to make it easy, Eric? > > > > The "floppy icon" just runs MToolsFM. So create a launcher (or whatever > > they happen to call it in Xfce) for that application and you should > > be good to go. > > > > -Eric > > > > I'm having a dumb attack here, Eric. Typing mtoolsfm from a terminal is > no go. So, I went looking for it: > > [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtoolsfm > /etc/mtoolsfm.conf > > [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtools > /usr/bin/mtools > /usr/bin/mtoolstest > /usr/share/zsh/4.2.0/functions/_mtools > /usr/share/info/mtools.info.gz > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9 > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/README > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/Changelog > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/Release.notes > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9/COPYING > /usr/share/doc/mtools-3.9.9 > /usr/share/man/man5/mtools.5.gz > /usr/share/man/man1/mtoolstest.1.gz > /usr/share/man/man1/mtools.1.gz > /usr/lib/syslinux/syslinux-nomtools > > [gavin at local ~]$ which mtoolsfm > /usr/bin/which: no mtoolsfm in > (/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/gavin/bin) > > So, mtools can be invoked with /usr/bin/mtools, but then I have to enter > the command parameters to make it function. Should I RTFM to get mtools > working?? But, it seems that you've made it easier than this, so why is > mtoolsfm apparently useless on my standard k12ltsp v4.2.0 without > desktop icons? Try MToolsFM :-) From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 04:51:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:51:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? Message-ID: Ok....I ask this question simply to find out who has had some experience with it....I will probably check it out Monday at school (where my sandboxes are). Who among you has installed or laid eyes upon Fedora Directory Server? Does it have a nice GUI? Is it simple to configure? And do you configure via command line or GUI? Henry? I know you've seen something... My concern....FDS may be really cool, but it is at this point Fedora and Solaris (as well as RH) only. This makes things interesting if you want to run Ubuntu servers.....hence the need to keep Samba/LDAP on the front burner as well. FDS does pique my interest though..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jul 10 04:50:20 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:50:20 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: <1120966222.4470.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1120968750.4470.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120971020.4470.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 21:26 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > [gavin at local ~]$ locate mtoolsfm > > /etc/mtoolsfm.conf > > It is one of those rare mixed-case commands... > > $ locate MToolsFM > /usr/X11R6/bin/MToolsFM > > -Eric Ahhhhhhh! Told you I was having a dumb moment ;-) I tried mixing the case, but didn't get it _quite_ right, then when I found the all lower- case version I thought that has to be it ... Now, a whole new world awaits me and my users to access floppies on the clients - previously relegated to the "too hard" basket. Thanks. -- Regards, Gavin Chester -------------------- From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 10 04:57:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:57:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok....I did some Googling and found these screenshots http://alex.mamtchenkov.net/wp-images/custom/fedora_directory_server/ Anyone know how we'll be able to bulk add users to FDS? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Jul 10 04:56:55 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:56:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Message-ID: <42D0AA97.2040701@comcast.net> Omar Olivos wrote: > Hi, > > In a recent meeting at my school we were discussing Thin Client > technology. Some people in the meeting were under the impression that > Thin Client technology is old and is not used anymore by ?big? > schools. (We have two sections with more than 600 students in each > section). Or if it used it is not done successfully. It was very > difficult for me to convince them other wise. I have been using > K12LTSP in a computer lab and with a small number of children and > talked about the benefits but evidence of ?real? success was > requested. Anybody on the list could contact me with any ?big? school > that is using thin client technology ?successfully?? So that I can > actually ?prove? that K12LTSP is a very good option. > > Thanks for your help, > > Omar Olivos > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > As a couple of others have pointed out, there are many successful deployments. The technology is not old, but it is proven to work and has matured over the years. Perhaps this is why it is seeing a revival? (Also, there is Largo, Florida (?) which uses thin clients for the city). Newark Charter School (5-8) has been using K12LTSP for 2 years now. We have around 650 students. We have 31 clients in the Tech Lab which are used 7 periods per day, plus lunch time access as well. The library has 24 thin clients, and we are adding 10 more this summer. The library systems are in use at least 6 periods every day by teachers who bring in their classes to do writing (using StarOffice) combined with web-based research. The school librarian is on-hand to assist with issues, although issues are very rare. All students have their own accounts. We have 2 K12LTSP servers running. One runs the Tech Lab and all teachers' thin clients (teachers only have thin clients at their desks) (this is around 55 clients). The other runs the Library and all other thin clients in the school. We have a third K12LTSP server that can be used, if needed, to pick up for either of these systems in case of an emergency but in 2 years have never needed it to do so. Teachers are allowed to have as many thin clients in their classrooms as they can find space (the systems are recycled and cost the school nothing). All data for all students/teachers are maintained on a central file server. We also have two Win2K Terminal Servers that are accessed via rdesktop for Windows-based apps. One is for the students, the other is for the teachers. The Assistant Principal, Dean of Students and Guidance Counselors use thin clients for all work and have not had any issues that could not be resolved fairly easily. Only the School Director, Executive Assistant, Secretary and Head Custodian have traditional PC's at their desks. Printing is handled via CUPS, and any one can print to any printer anywhere (the students are taught that this flexibility is not to be abused, violations are handled like any other policy violation). The students also know that every job that is printed is automatically tracked (neat feature of CUPS), so it is known who, where and when everything is printed if there are issues. Similarly, it is trivial to determine who is logged on, where, when, for how long, etc. Just part of the normal stuff that a UNIX-based system monitors automatically. All teachers have laser printers attached to their thin clients at their desks, so printing is fairly simple. Some teachers have even 'discovered' that they can just send a document to another teacher just by picking the correct printer, instead of 'hand delivering' it. I know this isn't innovative, but it was interesting when they finally realized the implication of being able to do this. Almost as interesting as when they finally catch on that it doesn't matter what thin client they sit at, all their stuff is still just 'there'. No more, 'Oh, it is on my computer back in the classroom' type situations. The K12LTSP servers have never 'just died'. We did have a very rare disk drive failure (the RAID started an automatic rebuild) last spring, which was then followed by a power outage while the RAID was rebuilding which caused us to lose a server for 1 day (corrupted the parts of file system which has to be restored for certain user accounts when it finally did recover). The servers cost about 3K (on average, and this should be less now for just a K12LTSP server). So, for 3K, we can effectively upgrade all attached thin clients in the school vs 1K per traditional system. With 60 clients attached, this is 3K vs 60K in expenses. Add in the reduced maintenance costs (1 system vs 60) and it is very appealing. Again, we have a system available to kick in as a backup, just in case, so mayber 6K is a better number if discussing upgrades? Since the needs of the students are fairly well defined and the servers are rather robust (dual 2.4GHz xeons + 4 Gb memory), upgrades just because the OS is upgraded isn't required (in fact, with the 2.6 kernel, the system feels faster than with the 2.4) The students are very comfortable with the technology and expect it to just work. Many of the students acutally started to prefer the thin clients (although some were so MS-centric that it would never have changed their minds. Also some were upset that they couldn't just install some software :) ) The teachers were a little hesitant, but didn't report any problems, and have in fact asked for more systems. The only real issues were sound and streaming video. Since the state blocks both of these for many websites at the firewalls, it wasn't a huge issue in any event. The School Director has been very impressed and is volunteering the school as a tech demonstrator for any other schools to come in and see how to implement this solution on a shoe-string budget. As for being an inferior technology, NCS was again rated a Superior School (one of only a handful of middle schools in the state, and the only one to have received this distinction every year possible). So, the technology has not hindered the teachers or students. The students and teachers have gained a real appreciation for what OpenSource means (both in terms of availability, quality, and effectiveness) and how it can be used. The adminstrative costs have also been rather low (for the most part it has been just me, as a volunteer, about 8 hours per week on average), but I have the help of this list, but some other people off and on at the school, typically during the summer (please do not take this as a boast, it is not intended as such, just trying to give a feel for how much time is needed. In fact, if the sysadmin is actually competent, it should have been less :), but I are an engineer, not CIS, so I can be slow). This has freed up funds for other actitivities such as books, field trips, other hardware as needed, .... For next year, the Librarian (who is also the school tech coordinator now) and I have some plans for additional capabilities that we want to add using the existing hardware. Like teachertool and vncreflector to look/share any desktop to any location(s) (including overhead projectors connected to thin clients as their displays). Sorry for being so long winded and not as organized/direct in the answer. NCS is just a small school in a rather small state, but K12LTSP has made a huge positive difference for us. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 05:28:57 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:28:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1120973337.7476.236.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 22:05 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 21:23 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > >> > >>> Eric, > >>> > >>> I just installed pre1 and tried yum update and got the following: > >>> > >>> [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > >>> Setting up Update Process > >>> Setting up repositories > >>> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > >>> failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > >>> to try. > >> > >> Did you try again? > >> > >> There is only one mirror for 4.4.0 at the moment, if you can't get > >> to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us you'll get this error. I also restarted > >> my web server a couple of times tonight, but I did a "graceful" restart > >> that is not supposed to be disruptive. Maybe you tried at exactly the > >> wrong moment? > >> > >> Anyways, try it again and let me know of you are still having > >> problems. > >> > >> I tested from several servers I have access to and they were all fine. > >> > >>> Theoretically we will be able yum or apt-get our way to 4.4.0 final > >>> release? > >> > >> You will (no theory!) be able to yum/apt-get to 4.4.0 final. > >> -Eric > > > > > > > > I hit the site with links (I'm ssh-ing from home) > > > > but still get the same error: > > > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# yum update > > Setting up Update Process > > Setting up repositories > > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp > > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > > to try. > > [root at gabriel yum.repos.d]# links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > > First, let's verify that the k12ltsp.repo file has not been modified: > > rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > There should be output from this command (just a blank line). > If you see something like this, your repository config had been > changed: > > S.5....T. c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > > Next, let's check the "mirrorlist" url in /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo | grep mirrorlist > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > And finally, let's check the URL for the mirror... > > $ links http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ > > Here you should get a list like this: > > [DIR] RPMS/ 23-Jun-2005 10:57 - > [DIR] SRPMS/ 28-Jun-2005 08:14 - > [ ] TODO 06-Jul-2005 15:20 313 > [DIR] headers/ 08-Jul-2005 18:47 - > [DIR] i386/ 06-Jun-2005 19:45 - > [DIR] iso/ 08-Jul-2005 18:32 - > [DIR] repodata/ 08-Jul-2005 18:45 - > [DIR] updates/ > > If you can get this far but yum still does not work, the only thing > that jumps to mind is that you have proxy settings set in your > shell environment that are different than in your /etc/yum.conf. > Does your network require explicit proxy configurations? > > > Theoretically = provided I haven't messed anything up ;-) > > > > BTW - This is a virgin install of pre1 > > > > As always, Thanks > > As always, I hope I was of some help. > > -Eric So far I removed all but the following from /etc/yum.repos.d fedora-devel.repo fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo fedora-updates-testing.repo freshrpms.repo livna.repo and successfully ran yum update others are failing It's as if they cannot be reached nor any mirrors but this should not stop the whole process should it? Scratching my head --- From staceypacquette at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 08:53:18 2005 From: staceypacquette at gmail.com (stacey pacquette) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:53:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind Message-ID: <96bd2d7005071001535d884425@mail.gmail.com> greeting all, a few weeks back after updating the k12 server I started having trouble with winbind and logging in with w2k AD user accounts. The problems seemed to be resolved by changing some of the SELinux settings and restarting winbind. Unfortunantly after installing the red hat network updates last night, I'm unabel to get logins with windows accounts to be authenticated. Pasted below are some of the logs from the system log viewer. Jul 10 01:30:34 server unix_chkpwd[6470]: check pass; user unknown Jul 10 01:30:34 server gdm(pam_unix)[6464]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=localhost.localdomain:2 ruser= rhost=localhost.localdomain Jul 10 01:30:40 server pam_winbind[6464]: read from socket failed! Jul 10 01:30:40 server pam_winbind[6464]: internal module error (retval = 3, user = `test\dlraven' Jul 10 01:30:43 server gdm-binary[6464]: Couldn't authenticate user I rejoined the windows AD with no errors and disabled SELinux all together and am still not having any luck; any direction towards a solution is much appreciated. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Jul 10 11:45:10 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:45:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while >I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into >Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as >well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 >over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to >dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the >water. So.... > > You have other points of failure that would be of equal impact, and different client machines would not protect against any of them failing: * Your ethernet switch in the closet. * Your Internet Firewall (also a Linux box) * Your dns server for the private network (I think that's on the Firewall in your case) * Your Internet service router (probably a Cisco) If it were me - I would spend the money on redundant hardware in the LTSP server, and make other configuration changes for higher availability of the server: * The most likely server failure is a disk drive - use software raid disk and hot-plug disk drives if possible * The next most likely server failure is a power supply - servers with dual redundant power supplies are nice, or at least with a hot-pluggable power supply if not redundant. On the software/configuration side of things separate filesystems for /var, /home, /tmp, and quotas on /home for users will protect against space problems bringing things to a grinding halt. Make sure you have good UPS power backup and surge suppression for all your server/switch/router equipment, with sufficient capacity for everything running on it. You can make services a bit more robust by adding a caching secondary dns server somewhere on your private network (perhaps on your LTSP server). DHCP is another such service, slightly less critical if you set long leases, but essential just the same. Two DHCP servers configured for failover are now supported, although I have no personal experience yet with how well that works. The support for clustering and cluster based file systems continues to improve in FC4, and I would anticipate someone perfecting a clustered solution for LTSP in the next year. So probably a redundant failover pair of LTSP servers with the filesystem and quota configuration suggested above would be your ideal solution. Until then you can still implement the other suggestions to reduce the highest failure risks. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Jul 10 11:55:46 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:55:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D10CC2.2070302@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Ok....I did some Googling and found these screenshots >http://alex.mamtchenkov.net/wp-images/custom/fedora_directory_server/ > >Anyone know how we'll be able to bulk add users to FDS? > > While I cannot speak for FDS directly, I did use the Netscape directory server from which it decends. And that had tools for ldif based batch changes as well as supporting any tool that uses ldap protocol (of course). I would expect you could do things just as you do them today with openldap. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 10 13:26:04 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> References: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > David Trask wrote: > > > I worry about what happens if the Terminal Server fails while > > I'm far away (like at Linux World). Until now they could boot into > > Windows and still have the class go on (remember I'm a computer teacher as > > well as the tech director and have a full slate of classes...grades K-8 > > over the course of a week....I see about 450-600 kids) When I go to > > dedicated thin-clients...K12LTSP server goes down...they're dead in the > > water. So.... > > > You have other points of failure that would be of equal impact, and different > client machines would not protect against any of them failing: > > * Your ethernet switch in the closet. > * Your Internet Firewall (also a Linux box) > * Your dns server for the private network (I think that's on the > Firewall in your case) > * Your Internet service router (probably a Cisco) > > If it were me - I would spend the money on redundant hardware in the LTSP > server, and make other configuration changes for higher availability of the > server: > > * The most likely server failure is a disk drive - use software raid > disk and hot-plug disk drives if possible > * The next most likely server failure is a power supply - servers > with dual redundant power supplies are nice, or at least with a > hot-pluggable power supply if not redundant. Hmm, hot-pluggable, but not redundant? /me wonders what's the point. if a non-redundant power supply fails, everything goes cold :) But, you make excellent points, and I agree completely. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jul 10 15:45:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:45:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] move to ldap Message-ID: <200507101753.j6AHrMq16909@downeast.net> chris: are u going tobe around toorrow: switchingthe whole district to smbldap in Ellsworth..just looking for potential shoulder to cry on....chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Jul 10 16:49:04 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:49:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 (using automounter) Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D7842064669A@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I've been extending the localdevice support into using automount (on the server end) (I didn't like the way it smbmounted into local user directories... I ended up w/ too many dangling/dead mounts after kids logged out improperly). The automount stuff is done, and now I'm working on integrating it into Nautilus under "Computer" as "My Disks" (The trick is to modify the user's gconf connected_servers entry for "My Disks" to point to the /media/localdev/ location). I'm thinking of making an /etc/sysconfig/localdev-automount configuration file that controls some of the behaviors. It does the /media/localdev/ securely in the sense that it grants ownership of the files to the user logged into that terminal, and not anyone else. I'll see if I can hack on it some more this week. I need to finish it. Henry -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org] Sent: Sat 7/9/2005 12:22 PM To: Jim McQuillan Cc: K12OSN at redhat.com; eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Subject: Re: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 Jim McQuillan on Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 12:00 PM +0000 wrote: >David, > >I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in >straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still >having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a >file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. > >BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past >week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready >for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we >come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. Very cool! I suspected as much and I'm not afraid of doing it myself either....I was simply wondering. I'm agonizing over little things this summer as I have nothing to "invent" like last summer when I had to completely rewrite my Samba/LDAP setup...thanks to the guys at Samba changing everything around *bastards ;-)* Now I'm getting ready to implement my first TRULY thin-client lab (the little devices like the Term 150's I already have)....so I'm trying to figure out the best way to go. While I have your attention...what's the sound issue with the new Term 140? Has it been figured out? It's an attractive model, but the sound is a MUST in a school. Just curious... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4244 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 10 18:44:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:44:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1121021060.26277.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 08:26, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > * The most likely server failure is a disk drive - use software raid > > disk and hot-plug disk drives if possible > > * The next most likely server failure is a power supply - servers > > with dual redundant power supplies are nice, or at least with a > > hot-pluggable power supply if not redundant. > > Hmm, hot-pluggable, but not redundant? /me wonders what's the point. > if a non-redundant power supply fails, everything goes cold :) It's one thing to go down, it's something else to be down a week while you get replacement parts. My favorite approach to minimizing downtime is to have plenty of spare parts on hand, generally in the form of a spare server that can be used for testing new software but can be put into service or have parts pulled in an emergency. You need the test box anyway and save money by making it the same as the backup - you just have to be careful never to do anything on it that you can't shut down at a moment's notice. In a k12ltsp environment with more than one server, it makes sense to put the home directories and authentication service on a heavy-duty server with mirrored swappable drives. Add dual power supplies and a good UPS and you've covered most of the possible hardware failures. If you keep a spare server for this, in the unlikely event that something other than a drive or power supply fails, you can pull the drives from the production box, put them in the spare and be back up immediately. You still need backups, but this makes it a lot less likely that you will need to take the time to restore them. With your local files all on one server, the others are more or less disposable and interchangeable so you can use cheap commodity stuff and just swap in a spare if it breaks, almost like the terminals. The one thing I think is worth spending extra for is the swappable drives, especially if you have several servers spread over some distance because it means you can do upgrades or repairs by cloning a disk from your test box and have someone else install it with just the downtime it takes to reboot. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 10 18:55:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:55:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1121021753.26277.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 23:51, David Trask wrote: > My concern....FDS may be really cool, but it is at this point Fedora and > Solaris (as well as RH) only. This makes things interesting if you want > to run Ubuntu servers.....hence the need to keep Samba/LDAP on the front > burner as well. FDS does pique my interest though..... It's GPL'd so it is just a matter of time until other distributions package it. But, I think the real key to making system administration easy would be to make a canned authentication/home directory server that is as easy to set up as an SME server but built on Centos4. RH has made it clear that they'll include it in RHEL when it is out of beta and Centos will add it when RHEL does. On the client side everything should interoperate anyway. The big differences should be in server and replication setup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 10 19:12:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <1120973337.7476.236.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120973337.7476.236.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > So far I removed all but the following from /etc/yum.repos.d > > fedora-devel.repo fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo > fedora-updates-testing.repo freshrpms.repo livna.repo > > and successfully ran yum update > > others are failing > > It's as if they cannot be reached nor any mirrors but this should not > stop the whole process should it? > > Scratching my head --- I'm scratching my head as well. Just for kicks, I rebuilt the repository. The University of Tennessee mirror is now in sync, so I added that to the mirror list. Try re-enabling the k12ltsp repositories and run "yum list updates" a couple of times. Let me know if works now, only works sometimes, or still doesn't work at all. Also try running "up2date -l". Same deal, let me know if works all the time, only sometimes, or not at all. -Eric From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Jul 10 20:03:28 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:03:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] symbolic link not visible when logging in using ftp In-Reply-To: <1120919276.7476.29.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <20050710200323.3758058C189@smtp-out.free.net.nz> I have one folder "School Intranet" with full access permission. Its address is "/home/School Intranet". I have created a soft link to it from my home directory. When I log in directly to K12LTSP I can see the link in my home directory when I click it I go to the right place. It is also set up as an SMB share and all windows users at the school can access it without problems. However when I login to ftp using my username and password, I can see all the contents of my home directory but not "School Intranet". What do I have to do so that I can access this file through ftp? The idea is that teachers can log in from home and upload or download files to and from this shared directory as well as from their home directories. From kevin_myer at iu13.org Sun Jul 10 20:06:25 2005 From: kevin_myer at iu13.org (Kevin Myer) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050710160625.t79xbz3x3uyscsw0@webapps.iu13.org> I am currently using FDS in a test environment, having held off on a migration from an aging Netscape Directory server to OpenLDAP for the past two years. It looks like that delay paid off :) FDS has a Java GUI for management (which I like, because I'm familiar with it) but also all the standard LDAP CLI tools as well. It has true multi-master support, so a single server doesn't constitute a single point of failure, like you would have with a master->slave replication scenario, where you lost the master server. You might find the following thread helpful, from a recent discussion on the FDS users list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-directory-users/2005-July/msg00044.html Kevin Quoting David Trask : > Ok....I ask this question simply to find out who has had some experience > with it....I will probably check it out Monday at school (where my > sandboxes are). Who among you has installed or laid eyes upon Fedora > Directory Server? Does it have a nice GUI? Is it simple to configure? > And do you configure via command line or GUI? Henry? I know you've seen > something... > > My concern....FDS may be really cool, but it is at this point Fedora and > Solaris (as well as RH) only. This makes things interesting if you want > to run Ubuntu servers.....hence the need to keep Samba/LDAP on the front > burner as well. FDS does pique my interest though..... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 20:45:08 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:45:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120973337.7476.236.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1121028308.7476.255.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 12:12 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > So far I removed all but the following from /etc/yum.repos.d > > > > fedora-devel.repo fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo > > fedora-updates-testing.repo freshrpms.repo livna.repo > > > > and successfully ran yum update > > > > others are failing > > > > It's as if they cannot be reached nor any mirrors but this should not > > stop the whole process should it? > > > > Scratching my head --- > > I'm scratching my head as well. > > Just for kicks, I rebuilt the repository. > > The University of Tennessee mirror is now in sync, so I added that > to the mirror list. > > Try re-enabling the k12ltsp repositories and run "yum list updates" a > couple of times. Let me know if works now, only works sometimes, or > still doesn't work at all. > > Also try running "up2date -l". Same deal, let me know if works all the > time, only sometimes, or not at all. > > -Eric Times three attempts thusly: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d_temp]# yum list updates Setting up repositories Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Then: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d_temp]# up2date -l Enter number of item to edit : http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 using mirror: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 using mirror: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/ initRepo Baseurl(s) for repo: ['http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/'] Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: k12ltsp failure: repodata/repomd.xml from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. An error has occurred: yum.Errors.RepoError See /var/log/up2date for more information [root at gabriel yum.repos.d_temp]# cat /var/log/up2date [Sun Jul 10 16:32:02 2005] up2date availablePackageList from network [Sun Jul 10 16:32:02 2005] up2date File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1265, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 800, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1120, in batchRun batch.init() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 65, in init self.__findPackagesToUpdate() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 101, in __findPackagesToUpdate plist.addGlobs(self.listOfGlobs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 161, in addGlobs availList = rhnPackageInfo.getAvailablePackageList() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 235, in getAvailablePackageList package_list = availablePackageList( File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 169, in availablePackageList progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 316, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 21, in listPackages return self.handlers[channel['type']].listPackages(channel, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 229, in listPackages msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/repomdRepo.py", line 136, in listPackages self.initRepo() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/repomdRepo.py", line 123, in initRepo log.trace_me() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateLog.py", line 35, in trace_me x = traceback.extract_stack() [Sun Jul 10 16:33:09 2005] up2date File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1265, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 800, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1120, in batchRun batch.init() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 65, in init self.__findPackagesToUpdate() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 101, in __findPackagesToUpdate plist.addGlobs(self.listOfGlobs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 161, in addGlobs availList = rhnPackageInfo.getAvailablePackageList() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 235, in getAvailablePackageList package_list = availablePackageList( File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 169, in availablePackageList progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 316, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 21, in listPackages return self.handlers[channel['type']].listPackages(channel, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 229, in listPackages msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/repomdRepo.py", line 136, in listPackages self.initRepo() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/repomdRepo.py", line 125, in initRepo YumBaseWrapper.__init__(self) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/repomdRepo.py", line 41, in __init__ self.yb.doRepoSetup() File "__init__.py", line 216, in doRepoSetup File "repos.py", line 628, in getRepoXML File "repos.py", line 607, in get From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jul 10 20:53:13 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:53:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre1 AND 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <42CC6443.6090407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42CC8498.1040408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <42CC9061.5060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <93260980050707135375006304@mail.gmail.com> <1120882495.5004.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120884456.5004.52.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120973337.7476.236.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1121028793.7476.260.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 12:12 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > So far I removed all but the following from /etc/yum.repos.d > > > > fedora-devel.repo fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo > > fedora-updates-testing.repo freshrpms.repo livna.repo > > > > and successfully ran yum update > > > > others are failing > > > > It's as if they cannot be reached nor any mirrors but this should not > > stop the whole process should it? > > > > Scratching my head --- > > I'm scratching my head as well. > > Just for kicks, I rebuilt the repository. > > The University of Tennessee mirror is now in sync, so I added that > to the mirror list. > > Try re-enabling the k12ltsp repositories and run "yum list updates" a > couple of times. Let me know if works now, only works sometimes, or > still doesn't work at all. > > Also try running "up2date -l". Same deal, let me know if works all the > time, only sometimes, or not at all. > > -Eric I excluded the following from my last post, here it is just in case you wanted to see the settings: [root at gabriel yum.repos.d_temp]# up2date -l 0. debug No 1. useRhn No 2. rhnuuid 846a240a-f035-11d9-b82f-00508b6fd758 3. isatty Yes 4. showAvailablePacka No 5. useNoSSLForPackage No 6. storageDir /var/spool/up2date 7. pkgSkipList ['kernel*'] 8. retrieveOnly No 9. noSSLServerURL http://xmlrpc.rhn.redhat.com/XMLRPC 10. networkRetries 5 11. pkgsToInstallNotUp ['kernel', 'kernel-modules', 'kernel-devel'] 12. enableProxy No 13. noBootLoader No 14. proxyPassword 15. updateUp2date Yes 16. keepAfterInstall No 17. useGPG Yes 18. headerCacheSize 40 19. forceInstall No 20. systemIdPath /etc/sysconfig/rhn/systemid 21. retrieveSource No 22. enableRollbacks No 23. gpgKeyRing /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date-keyring.gpg 24. adminAddress ['root at localhost'] 25. serverURL https://xmlrpc.rhn.redhat.com/XMLRPC 26. fileSkipList [] 27. versionOverride 28. sslCACert /usr/share/rhn/RHNS-CA-CERT 29. noReplaceConfig Yes 30. enableProxyAuth No 31. disallowConfChange ['noReboot', 'sslCACert', 'useNoSSLForPackages', 'noSSLSe 32. headerFetchCount 10 33. proxyUser 34. removeSkipList ['kernel*'] 35. httpProxy 36. noReboot No From moquist at majen.net Sun Jul 10 21:18:13 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:18:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? (David Trask) In-Reply-To: <20050710160026.64EE5731AB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050710160026.64EE5731AB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050710211813.GA19744@majen.net> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:51:31 -0400 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server? Who has seen it? > > Ok....I ask this question simply to find out who has had some experience > with it....I will probably check it out Monday at school (where my > sandboxes are). Who among you has installed or laid eyes upon Fedora > Directory Server? Does it have a nice GUI? Is it simple to configure? > And do you configure via command line or GUI? Henry? I know you've seen > something... > > My concern....FDS may be really cool, but it is at this point Fedora and > Solaris (as well as RH) only. This makes things interesting if you want > to run Ubuntu servers.....hence the need to keep Samba/LDAP on the front > burner as well. FDS does pique my interest though..... FDS is definitely something to be working on. But you're spot-on with the fact that it currently only runs on RH-based OSes, and remember that it still needs Samba to authentication Windows machines. There's a how-to (which might look familiar) here: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:Samba FDS is a potential replacement for OpenLDAP, not a replacement for "Samba/LDAP". Also, it still uses the Berkeley DB so it can't be more robust than OpenLDAP in that respect (though I don't have any depth of knowledge about how the two projects actually use BDB). --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or consider a different way of providing home access beside ftp, such as a web-based SMB interface. I use the Gollem module of Horde to do this. Gollem is a 1.0beta but has worked well for me (http:/www.horde.org/gollem). Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Senior Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 http://www.iu13.org From tim at litwiller.net Sun Jul 10 22:25:42 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:25:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] symbolic link not visible when logging in using ftp In-Reply-To: <20050710200323.3758058C189@smtp-out.free.net.nz> References: <20050710200323.3758058C189@smtp-out.free.net.nz> Message-ID: <42D1A066.6080608@litwiller.net> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I have one folder "School Intranet" with full access permission. Its address >is "/home/School Intranet". I have created a soft link to it from my home >directory. When I log in directly to K12LTSP I can see the link in my home >directory when I click it I go to the right place. > >It is also set up as an SMB share and all windows users at the school can >access it without problems. > >However when I login to ftp using my username and password, I can see all >the contents of my home directory but not "School Intranet". > >What do I have to do so that I can access this file through ftp? > >The idea is that teachers can log in from home and upload or download files >to and from this shared directory as well as from their home directories. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > You need to chroot the users in the ftp config file. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Jul 10 22:44:16 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:44:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> Message-ID: <42D1A4C0.3020106@gwi.net> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Hmm, hot-pluggable, but not redundant? /me wonders what's the point. >if a non-redundant power supply fails, everything goes cold :) > >But, you make excellent points, and I agree completely. > > /you wonders with reasonable cause - obviously not nearly as good as redundant. But if hot-pluggable then you can have a spare sitting on the shelf and switch easily, probably without a screwdriver, thus replacement involves significantly less down-time and could be done by a non-technical person. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 10 23:28:17 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: <42D1A4C0.3020106@gwi.net> References: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> <42D1A4C0.3020106@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Hmm, hot-pluggable, but not redundant? /me wonders what's the point. > > if a non-redundant power supply fails, everything goes cold :) > > > > But, you make excellent points, and I agree completely. > > > /you wonders with reasonable cause - obviously not nearly as good as > redundant. But if hot-pluggable then you can have a spare sitting on the > shelf and switch easily, probably without a screwdriver, thus replacement > involves significantly less down-time and could be done by a non-technical > person. Good point, but I don't think i've ever seen a hotswap powersupply cage that only holds 1 power supply. most of them hold two. Then, rather than leaving the spare on the shelf, you might as well leave it in the hotswap cage, so it can jump into action automatically, rather than crashing the system and having a non-tech do the swap. Unless, you have more servers than spares. And even then, you could still leave the spare in the most critical server, and if another servers hot-swap power supply should happen to fail, you could steal the spare from the server that has a spare. Jim. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 11 01:01:31 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and I'm not around In-Reply-To: References: <42D10A46.1090104@gwi.net> <42D1A4C0.3020106@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> Hmm, hot-pluggable, but not redundant? /me wonders what's the point. >>> if a non-redundant power supply fails, everything goes cold :) >>> >>> But, you make excellent points, and I agree completely. >>> >> /you wonders with reasonable cause - obviously not nearly as good as >> redundant. But if hot-pluggable then you can have a spare sitting on the >> shelf and switch easily, probably without a screwdriver, thus replacement >> involves significantly less down-time and could be done by a non-technical >> person. > > Good point, but I don't think i've ever seen a hotswap powersupply cage > that only holds 1 power supply. most of them hold two. Then, rather Some of the old Intel rack servers we have (SR2000's ?) are equiped with only one swappable power supply. We have a stack of "cold spares" in case one ever fails. (which has never happened, if we didn't have the spares I assume they all would have failed ;-) -Eric From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 11 03:34:03 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:34:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] to be el or to be fedora Message-ID: <42D1E8AB.7000304@shaw.ca> well, it is the summer, and I always wipe and reload the server. I am trying to figure out the sound on my thin clients, which work when I load suse 9.1 directly onto a hard drive I stick in the thin client. I would rather work with K12LTSP of one flavour or another. I know the crystal sound cards (on board) work with suse, so that should mean I could get them working with K12LTSP, right? Which flavour should I use? the EL centos version, or the Fedora Core 4 version? Why would I choose one version over the other? What is the advantage of centos vs Fedora Core 4? Enquiring minds want to know. Please advise From richard.holtz at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Jul 11 11:12:49 2005 From: richard.holtz at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (R. Holtz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:12:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB devices (flash drive) on K12LTSP 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200507111112.49514.richard.holtz@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Saturday 09 Jul 2005 17:17, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > David, > > > > I'm not sure just what Eric has incorporated into k12ltsp, but in > > straight ltsp, hotplug usb memory sticks are working great. we're still > > having some issues with floppies and cdroms that sometimes look like a > > file in Nautilus, instead of a folder. > > K12LTSP is running straight LTSP 4.1.1. > > K12LTSP does include a tweak to the mtools/floppyd configuration > that lets it work with USB memory sticks. Try inserting a thumb drive > into a terminal and click on the "Floppy Drive" icon. > > > BUT, Scott and I have been working hard on this everynight for the past > > week, and we're making great progress. We should have something ready > > for general testing within the next couple of weeks. And whatever we > > come up with should drop easily onto a k12ltsp system. > > Of course the next release of LTSP will be packaged up and included > in K12LTSP as well... ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ************************************************************* > This message has been virus checked by Sophos Sweep provided > by the Birmingham Grid for Learning. For guidance on e-mail > good practice, e-mail viruses and hoaxes please visit: > http://www.bgfl.org/connectivity/e-mail.htm > ************************************************************* Is there any word yet on running local floppies and usb sticks at the same time? According to http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AStorage%3AUSB : # It should be possible to have both floppy and USB flash devices on the same # client, but floppyd currently only works on the clients with port 5703 # so can't load floppyd on alternate port. This should be corrected in a future # patch to mtools, allowing access with the following # floppyd -l -s 5704 -d /tmp/dev/sda1 # provided .mtoolsrc is then setup correctly R. ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Jul 11 12:07:15 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:07:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] To mirror or not to mirror and splitting home dir between servers Message-ID: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> Finally got centos4 set as a samba/ldap pdc, so now all files are on the server. Would it be a major speed hit to mirror the drives in the K12LTSP el version? Also, with the smb/ldap, how would one split home directories between servers. I have 290 ibooks plus win and linux in the junior high and another 150 ltsp, xp, win98, machines in the high school. I'm putting k12ltsp in both for added machines(and the eventual replacement of everything..muuuhahaha)I wanted to put a secondary/slave smb/ldap in the junior high to lighten the burden on the network. Or is there a better way to go about replicated smb/ldap? fds maybe? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 11 13:27:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:27:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way off topic - Windows batch file question In-Reply-To: <200507081712.j68HCkXF019380@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <005201c5861c$47c7a640$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Use the subst command: > > @echo off > rem Delete previous drive x substitution > subst x: /d > if not exist h:\nul goto no_h > rem Map the root of h as our new drive x > subst x: h: > goto doit > :no_h > if not exist i:\nul goto die > rem Map the root of i as our new drive x > subst x: i: > goto doit > :doit > rem > rem Now x is your drive... > rem > goto done > :die > echo Whoops! > :done > exit Thanks Michael. The subst command was exactly what I needed. All I had to change was to add a trailing \ to the subst x: h:\ in order to tell it a path to map to. My backups seem to be working great now. Thanks Doug. What you sent wasn't exactly what I needed but I learned more fun Dos commands. You can bet I'll find a place to use your first scripts, or at least a variant of it. Thanks for helping out with such and obscure topic for this list. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 11 13:53:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:53:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal serverdown and I'm not around In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005301c5861f$ea7ce910$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > As for the cost, if you are looking to buy a quantity, like > 28, please talk to Erick Tyack > (etyack at DisklessWorkstations.Com), and lets see if we can > work something out. Hello Erick, I am stealing Jim's tip he sent to David Trask and contacting you to see what type of price you could do on a lot of 30 Term-150s. I will be implimenting ltsp on a little larger scale in one of my schools over the summer (60 more clients) and am very interested in what you could do for a price. Shoot me an email and let me know. Jim, I was looking at putting Bondi iMacs as terminals in all of these labs but there is still sound issues with them (doesn't work) and it would be nice to eliminate the heat output and power consumption of these machines. I like the idea of sticking with the Term-150s since I know you guys are going to make sure you put the best supported and most vigorously tested hardware on the market for ltsp. No one else has as vested of interest as you guys. Hopefully I will get the chance in the near future to help out at another conference with you guys and Ron. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 11 15:54:26 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:54:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] releases Message-ID: <2c2135c2c202f0.2c202f02c2135c@shaw.ca> well dip me in horsesh$t and colour me purple! I got sound to work on the thin clients! sound daemon must be esd module line reads s_module_01 = "cs4232 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=0" sound works on any game in the K12ltsp that has sound! only 2 problems now: 1. I get a little nag screen saying "no volume control elements and/or devices found" you hit ok and sound still works how would I get rid of this or what am I missing there? 2. websites with sound don't work yet, say I need shockwave and flash. Got flash but still no sound help on this much appreciated! btw when is the release going to be officially out? I am working on the last beta of 4.4 that I found Great work!!! From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 16:22:22 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need opinions....backup idea for when Terminal server down and In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050711162222.73089.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Saturday, July 9, 2005 at 1:10 PM +0000 wrote: > >Also, I thought you were using rdesktop to access a > Win2K server for > >some apps. > > I do...unfortunately though if the clients don't > boot I can't use rdesktop > :-) If you could get by with only Windows Terminal Services for a day or so, do you think that a standard desktop-class machine would be good enough to act as a backup LTSP machine for all your clients? You could set SCREEN_01 = rdesktop and not have a screen for startx. Just make sure the Windows Terminal Servers are loaded with OpenOffice, GIMP, Firefox, etc. so that the users can still use "Linux applications". -Rob ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions ? no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Jul 11 15:45:43 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:45:43 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <200507111139.58239.john.hansknecht@uofdjesuit.org> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> <200507111139.58239.john.hansknecht@uofdjesuit.org> Message-ID: <200507111145.43364.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 09 July 2005 21:53, Omar Olivos wrote: > > In a recent meeting at my school we were discussing Thin Client > > technology. Some people in the meeting were under the impression that > > Thin Client technology is old and is not used anymore by 'big' schools. > > (We have two sections with more than 600 students in each section). Or > > if it used it is not done successfully. It was very difficult for me to > > convince them other wise. I have been using K12LTSP in a computer lab > > and with a small number of children and talked about the benefits but > > evidence of 'real' success was requested. Anybody on the list could > > contact me with any 'big' school that is using thin client technology > > 'successfully'? So that I can actually 'prove' that K12LTSP is a very > > good option. Our school (University of Detroit Jesuit High School & Academy) started last year with 942 students grades 7-12. We ran two computer labs (32 each), our library (36), our art room (6) and our learning center (4) for a total of 110 working linux terminal clients. All of our computer courses were taught on the linux terminals. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 11 17:40:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:40:20 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <200507111145.43364.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <005b01c5863f$9bed9ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Our school (University of Detroit Jesuit High School & > Academy) started last > year with 942 students grades 7-12. We ran two computer labs > (32 each), our > library (36), our art room (6) and our learning center (4) > for a total of 110 > working linux terminal clients. All of our computer courses > were taught on > the linux terminals. Might I ask what you are using as a server to power 110 thin clients? How many concurrent connections to you believe you average? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From patricksawyer at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 18:33:27 2005 From: patricksawyer at gmail.com (Patrick Sawyer) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:33:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? Message-ID: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> What does the community think of scsi and K12? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jul 11 18:42:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:42:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D2BD83.9040407@inlandlakes.org> Patrick Sawyer wrote: > What does the community think of scsi and K12? Um... It's a good thing? :) Seriously, anything over 8 clients almost requires scsi drives on the server. (SATA might work too -- I have no experience there, only that IDE won't cut it after about 8 clients) I must qualify that, however, in that the scsi drives are required for the /home directory only -- so if you mount the /home directory remotely (NFS) there is no need for SCSI on the LTSP server, just on the file server. My 2 cents, -Shawn From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Jul 11 18:51:41 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:51:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] locking down system Message-ID: <20050711185141.19034.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> Is K12LTSP easy to lock down things like menu bars, background, etc. I want to setup a default for the students so that the teachers won't call me complaining about the Hooter's backgrounds. Thanks, Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Jul 11 19:57:20 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:57:20 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <005b01c5863f$9bed9ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005b01c5863f$9bed9ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200507111557.20283.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Monday 11 July 2005 13:40, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Our school (University of Detroit Jesuit High School & > > Academy) started last > > year with 942 students grades 7-12. We ran two computer labs > > (32 each), our > > library (36), our art room (6) and our learning center (4) > > for a total of 110 > > working linux terminal clients. All of our computer courses > > were taught on > > the linux terminals. > > Might I ask what you are using as a server to power 110 thin clients? > How many concurrent connections to you believe you average? This year we used two dual Xeon processor servers with 2GB of ram. The load was split by hard coded MAC address. The servers during a normal day regularly saw 36-38 clients and occasionally peaked in the low 40's. I would call performance OK. John Hansknecht From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 21:21:56 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:21:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] locking down system In-Reply-To: <20050711185141.19034.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20050711185141.19034.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 7/11/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Is K12LTSP easy to lock down things like menu bars, background, etc. I > want to setup a default for the students so that the teachers won't > call me complaining about the Hooter's backgrounds. > It's easy with icewm. Just make sure they launch nautilus with the no desktop switch. Not sure about kde, gnome or xfce. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jul 11 23:31:21 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:31:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] To mirror or not to mirror and splitting home dir between servers In-Reply-To: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> References: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> Message-ID: <1121124681.32230.27.camel@techstation> On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 08:07 -0400, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Would it be a major speed hit to mirror the drives in the > K12LTSP el version? Depends on how they are setup now. If you're not doing any sort of RAID at all, doing software mirroring is not much of a hit in terms of CPU time (a couple % max) and you can sometimes get read performance increases. > Also, with the smb/ldap, how would one split home > directories between servers. > I wanted to put a secondary/slave > smb/ldap in the junior high to lighten the burden on the network. Or is > there a better way to go about replicated smb/ldap? fds maybe? > Mark I am doing this same thing. I do it by using pdbedit to change the homedir attribute of the user in ldap to the UNC path of the server their home dir is stored on. For example: pdbedit -h="\\homeserver\username" username This may or may not be the best way to do this, it works for me. I'd like it if there something a little more auto-magical, but I don't know of anything at this point. There may also be a way to leverage DFS to achieve this, but I'm not sure if when using DFS if the data goes from the member server through the DFS root server before it gets sent to the client. If so, you lose your bandwidth savings. That seems it is the most likely way for it to operate, but I really don't know one way or another. Another trick I've seen is per-building DNS hackery, but this breaks if you have people move between buildings and I don't recommend using it. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Jul 12 02:29:28 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:29:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] release date Message-ID: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> is the pre2 versions of the isos for 4.4 going to become the official version? If that is so I could start downloading now, then wait for the word before I burn. Would that work? From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jul 12 02:47:00 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:47:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release date In-Reply-To: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> References: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1121136420.27084.51.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 21:29 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > is the pre2 versions of the isos for 4.4 going to become the official > version? If that is so I could start downloading now, then wait for the > word before I burn. Would that work? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Liam, Historically there is usually an updated package or two from Fedora with the final K12 release. You can download the isos now using rsync and then run rsync again at final release to pick up the minor changes quickly. That way when it becomes official you will be ready to burn cds in short order. John From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Jul 12 03:15:58 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:15:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Message-ID: Hola Omar I work for one of the largest school districts in West Texas (El Paso ISD - 62,000+ students, 88 campuses) and in spite of the fact that K12LTSP labs and classroom clusters are installed only in 5 middle schools, our conservative estimate is that on any given day more than 1500 students use the thin clients for typing, computer applications or research. The reliability of the servers is what makes them so popular. A few teachers may resist the initial deployment - some they think they are "too old" to have to "learn another system", but after a few weeks that idea vanishes, when they (and their students) realize that they have "all the Micro$oft applications" and then some... Fell free to look at http://links.episd.org and click on our friend TUX. More information is available there - use anything you need. Good luck Alan A Hodson MEd aahodson at episd dot org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Jul 12 03:18:02 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:18:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laserjet Printer w/embedded jetdirect print server Message-ID: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> The school just bought an HP LaserJet 2430dtn printer for the lab I was wondering the best way to set it up with K12LTSP. It comes with an embedded print server via JetDirect and 64 MB ram. I configured it, I think. Plugged it into the network with network cable. my test server (4.4.0 beta) I established a connection to the printer using the ip address I set up on the printer It prints. If I set it up to share/print, all the work is going through the server, right? Last year, when huge print jobs were sent to a printer attached directly to the server via parallel port, the printing used up major resources according to TOP. I was hoping that if the server conncects to the printer via TCP/IP that jobs would basically pass through the server and most of the processing would be done on the printer itself. Would that reduce the load I saw with the old printer directly connected via parallel to the server? From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Jul 12 03:24:00 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:24:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] release date In-Reply-To: <1121136420.27084.51.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> <1121136420.27084.51.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42D337D0.6090808@shaw.ca> John Baillie wrote: >On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 21:29 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>is the pre2 versions of the isos for 4.4 going to become the official >>version? If that is so I could start downloading now, then wait for the >>word before I burn. Would that work? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >Liam, > >Historically there is usually an updated package or two from Fedora with >the final K12 release. > >You can download the isos now using rsync and then run rsync again at >final release to pick up the minor changes quickly. That way when it >becomes official you will be ready to burn cds in short order. > > >John > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > I don't know how to download using rsync Could someone please explain that to me? I would be downloading on a windows machine if that means anything From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jul 12 03:24:06 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laserjet Printer w/embedded jetdirect print server In-Reply-To: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> References: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Liam, there still could be some heavy processing on the server. The issue is, you can feed cups all kinds of file formats, and it will convert those files to postscript or pcl. You can shoot PDF files, JPEG files, HTML, all kinds of stuff, and cups will figure it out. Also, most of the time if you send Postscript to cups, it will re-process it, to make sure the postscript stream conforms to what the printer can handle. The only way I know of to eliminate that processing is to set the printer up in cups as 'RAW', and make sure that you only feed postscript to it. There might be a way to set the 'nice' priority for cups to not drag down the server so badly, at the expense of taking longer to get print jobs out. In my experience tho, i've never had a problem with the processing that takes place for print jobs. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Liam Marshall wrote: > The school just bought an HP LaserJet 2430dtn printer for the lab > I was wondering the best way to set it up with K12LTSP. It comes with an > embedded print server via JetDirect and 64 MB ram. I configured it, I think. > Plugged it into the network with network cable. my test server (4.4.0 beta) > I established a connection to the printer using the ip address I set up on the > printer > > It prints. If I set it up to share/print, all the work is going through the > server, right? Last year, when huge print jobs were sent to a printer > attached directly to the server via parallel port, the printing used up major > resources according to TOP. > > I was hoping that if the server conncects to the printer via TCP/IP that jobs > would basically pass through the server and most of the processing would be > done on the printer itself. Would that reduce the load I saw with the old > printer directly connected via parallel to the server? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jul 12 03:43:16 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:43:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release date In-Reply-To: <42D337D0.6090808@shaw.ca> References: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> <1121136420.27084.51.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42D337D0.6090808@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1121139796.27084.73.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 22:24 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > > >On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 21:29 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > > >>is the pre2 versions of the isos for 4.4 going to become the official > >>version? If that is so I could start downloading now, then wait for the > >>word before I burn. Would that work? > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >Liam, > > > >Historically there is usually an updated package or two from Fedora with > >the final K12 release. > > > >You can download the isos now using rsync and then run rsync again at > >final release to pick up the minor changes quickly. That way when it > >becomes official you will be ready to burn cds in short order. > > > > > >John > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > I don't know how to download using rsync > Could someone please explain that to me? I would be downloading on a > windows machine if that means anything > Liam, rsync is your friend. I have never done it but here is a page explaining how to install rsync on windows. http://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync_pc1.html Based on your recent post inquiring about print server I see you've got a Linux box set up. Why not use it to rsync. I'll bet your CD burner is on the Windows box, but you can always transfer the isos over to it later. rsync is already to go on your linux box and it is quite easy to work with. John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jul 12 03:56:55 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:56:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell CERC ATA100/4Ch raid controller on FC 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1120919276.7476.29.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120933353.7476.73.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1120936432.7476.104.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1121140615.27084.86.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 14:05 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/9/05, John Baillie wrote: > > I'll give it a try on Monday Robert. Had hoped to keep all servers on > > the same distro but I'm flexible. My upgrades are proving to be > > cantankerous. > > What's the draw to FC 4 over RHEL 4? > Robert, I tried CentOS and ended up with the same issue. I did find a good post on the CentOS list on how to recompile the old driver and get it working on the most recent CentOS. Just for the heck of it I installed Ubuntu and it went without a hitch. So much for standardizing on one distribution. Many folks complaining about lack of support for these older Dell / LSI megaraid drivers in recent versions of RH based distros. FWIW I joined a dell list. I am quite surprised at how many people are still using RH 7 and 8. Thanks for the input. John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jul 12 04:05:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:05:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] To mirror or not to mirror and splitting home dir between servers In-Reply-To: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> References: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> Message-ID: <1121141148.27084.90.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 08:07 -0400, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Finally got centos4 set as a samba/ldap pdc, snip ---> Hello Mark, Did you base your install on David and Matt's script / install instructions. Are there any quirks installing on CentOS? John From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Jul 12 04:15:16 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laserjet Printer w/embedded jetdirect print server In-Reply-To: References: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <42D343D4.8050209@shaw.ca> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Liam, > >there still could be some heavy processing on the server. > >The issue is, you can feed cups all kinds of file formats, and it will >convert those files to postscript or pcl. > >You can shoot PDF files, JPEG files, HTML, all kinds of stuff, and cups >will figure it out. > >Also, most of the time if you send Postscript to cups, it will >re-process it, to make sure the postscript stream conforms to what the >printer can handle. > >The only way I know of to eliminate that processing is to set the >printer up in cups as 'RAW', and make sure that you only feed postscript >to it. > >There might be a way to set the 'nice' priority for cups to not drag >down the server so badly, at the expense of taking longer to get print >jobs out. > >In my experience tho, i've never had a problem with the processing that >takes place for print jobs. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >...snip > > if this is true, is there any advantage at all to connecting the printer to the server via the network(TCP/IP) connection built in as opposed to direct via parallel? either works for me, I was just looking for the best performance From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jul 12 04:33:24 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laserjet Printer w/embedded jetdirect print server In-Reply-To: <42D343D4.8050209@shaw.ca> References: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> <42D343D4.8050209@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Liam Marshall wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Liam, > > > > there still could be some heavy processing on the server. > > > > The issue is, you can feed cups all kinds of file formats, and it will > > convert those files to postscript or pcl. > > > > You can shoot PDF files, JPEG files, HTML, all kinds of stuff, and cups > > will figure it out. > > > > Also, most of the time if you send Postscript to cups, it will > > re-process it, to make sure the postscript stream conforms to what the > > printer can handle. > > > > The only way I know of to eliminate that processing is to set the > > printer up in cups as 'RAW', and make sure that you only feed postscript > > to it. > > > > There might be a way to set the 'nice' priority for cups to not drag > > down the server so badly, at the expense of taking longer to get print > > jobs out. > > > > In my experience tho, i've never had a problem with the processing that > > takes place for print jobs. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > ...snip > > > if this is true, is there any advantage at all to connecting the printer to > the server via the network(TCP/IP) connection built in as opposed to direct > via parallel? either works for me, I was just looking for the best > performance The data should start to print faster, because the network is going to be so much faster than the parallel port. Also, with the network, you've got virutually unlimited distance between the server and the printer. Maybe that's not important to you, but I prefer the flexibility of having my printers on the net. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jul 12 08:30:58 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:30:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] locking down system In-Reply-To: <20050711185141.19034.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20050711185141.19034.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200507120830.58830.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 11 July 2005 18:51, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Is K12LTSP easy to lock down things like menu bars, background, etc. I > want to setup a default for the students so that the teachers won't > call me complaining about the Hooter's backgrounds. For KDE have a look here http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers and here http://enterprise.kde.org/articles/korporatedesktop.php and here http://enterprise.kde.org/articles/kiosk-lp.php and here http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html and here http://www.oreilly.com/pub/h/3156 dunno about gnome or icewm. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jul 12 11:17:22 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:17:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] To mirror or not to mirror and splitting home dir between servers In-Reply-To: <1121141148.27084.90.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <42D260F3.5000104@msln.net> <1121141148.27084.90.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42D3A6C2.40705@msln.net> I had a heck of a time getting the script to go. So I tried several other directions from start to finish and none worked entirely. So, I followed the script more closely, meaning, I went to the DAG site and downloaded the equivalent DAG rpm packages for el4 that the script called for in fc3. Prior to that, I did the cpan install::Bundle and all that. I made sure that everything was there. So then I decided not to fully rem the rpm's out, just to wildcard them with *. I found that even though I went to cpan a second time and verified the packages were installed, that the script was still complaining that the packages were not installed. I installed the required rpm's by hand, ran the 2.0 script and she worked. All I did different was copy the fc3 install in the dist.pm file, change the header to centos4, wildcarded the dag rpm package lines to just the name*.rpm, and ran the script. The only other gotcha I had was SE Linux settings, since this server is not toward the internet, I shut it off. I have had more success with centos4 than any other distro. I'm not saying it is better than any other, just for the hardware I use, Dell, it has been rock solid. I've been running centos 3/4 and some 64 bit versions without issue. The biggy was the perc 4 e/di raid controller that Dell uses, so far the centos4(non-pay for) is the only one to just "pick it up" and work. I tried fc1/2/3, ubuntu, solaris 10, suse 9.1 pro, and rh 9.0. I have not tried fc4 or suse 9.2. Each worked to some degree with extra drivers and what not, but I was in search of the best distro for the hardware I run. with least amount of issues. As example. I have a new Dell PE 2850 4-73gb scsi in dell raid 5 configuration, 3 gig ram and dual 2.8 ghz xeon processors. I loaded a stock k12ltspEL install via NFS, did updates(which,for me, worked great AFTER I overrode the BESS filter), put a shiny, new, buff, exhilarating, vibrant, quick, cost effective, ltsp term 150e from disklessworkstations.com (shameless plug!), and without any configuration, just works. HTH Mark John Baillie wrote: >On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 08:07 -0400, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>Finally got centos4 set as a samba/ldap pdc, >> >> > >snip ---> > >Hello Mark, > >Did you base your install on David and Matt's script / install >instructions. > >Are there any quirks installing on CentOS? > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Jul 12 11:46:10 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:46:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <42CE81B9.4070200@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42CE81B9.4070200@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure there is a way to do what you are asking without using POSIX ACLS, which involves more than standard unix permissions. However, depending on what you are trying to ACCOMPLISH with this setup, you may be fine using sudoers for the domain admins and setting group and sticky bits on the folder. Why exactly do you want permissions and folders set in this way? I ask because you may not need this exact setup, but you are thinking of how you'd do this in linux. On Jul 8, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm in the process of moving from my long-standing Windows NT > domain to a spiffy new Samba/LDAP setup thanks to the hard work of > so many on this list. I want to try to replicate my existing setup > as much as possible to smooth things over with my users, but I seem > to be struggling most with my own ignorance. I want to set up > certain folders so that different groups have different levels of > access. For example: I want to create a "HS" share for use by > High School students. I want for the group "HS" to have read/write > access, but not the ability to change file permissions. Windows > calls this "Change" access. I want the groups "HS_STAFF," and > "Domain Admins" to have "Full" access, and I want all other groups > to have no access at all. How do I accomplish this with Linux. > Thanks in advance. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > We must make our homes centers of compassion and forgive endlessly. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLTrYMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT0SACfRMe1dkJGubaci9mbDeWpIQSh nhIAn1BUzyRxT9iHIjfkcOZgpv4J9t/2 =BXUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 12 12:54:32 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:54:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? Message-ID: <42D3BD88.1060704@inlandlakes.org> If I wanted to redirect all incoming FTP traffic (assumably ports 20&21) to a second server, without the user knowing -- what would the best way to accomplish that be? Can iptables do such a thing? Thanks for any tech savvy advice, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 13:01:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:01:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <42D2BD83.9040407@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000d01c586e1$d1e35f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > (SATA might work too -- I have no experience there, > only that > IDE won't cut it after about 8 clients) >From my experience SATA is better than IDE, but still doesn't compare to SCSI. I have been trying some SATA raids in servers lately and without doing any benchmarking the SATA is slower. I can notice the difference just working on the machine, not near as responsive. My 2 cents -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 13:25:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:25:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c586e5$32170790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> -----Start Old Message----- I work for one of the largest school districts in West Texas (El Paso ISD - 62,000+ students, 88 campuses) and in spite of the fact that K12LTSP labs and classroom clusters are installed only in 5 middle schools, our conservative estimate is that on any given day more than 1500 students use the thin clients for typing, computer applications or research. The reliability of the servers is what makes them so popular. A few teachers may resist the initial deployment - some they think they are "too old" to have to "learn another system", but after a few weeks that idea vanishes, when they (and their students) realize that they have "all the Micro$oft applications" and then some... -----End Old Message----- Could you quick list how many clients are in each school, what the server configurations are, and approximately how many concurrent connections are established? The reason I have been prodding for this info is that I will be stepping up to about 60 or 70 terminals from 1 K12LTSP server this summer. I am a little nervous about performance. Usually I will have 40 concurrent connections but it will be very possible to have all terminals connected at once. My guess is most use will be OpenOffice and Firefox. I have a Dual 3.2GB Xeon box with 1.2TB of striped SATA drives and 4GB of RAM and a GB NIC. Another concern I will be having is 20-30 of the clients will be across town. Granted we have a direct GB fiber link across town and a pure GB backbone to our switched network, but I am a little nervous. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 12 13:33:09 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:33:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <000e01c586e5$32170790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000e01c586e5$32170790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42D3C695.6010900@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > 60 or 70 terminals from 1 K12LTSP server this summer. I am > a little nervous about performance. Usually I will have 40 concurrent > connections but it will be very possible to have all terminals connected > at once. My guess is most use will be OpenOffice and Firefox. I have a > Dual 3.2GB Xeon box with 1.2TB of striped SATA drives and 4GB of RAM and > a GB NIC. Jim, I was running an almost similar setup, except that I had SCSI-320 Raid5 drives, and /home was mounted via nfs. I had about 115 clients booting from it, probably around 70-80 in use during the day. I was VERY worried about performance, so I used a spartan icewm manager without nautilus. (Nautilus could be launched to browse files, it with the --no-desktop flag, or whatever that flag is...) The performance was VERY good. I especially noticed that openoffice opened instantly (well, 2-3 seconds) and didn't have a problem with firefox either. I understand your paranoia -- I felt the same way, and even had 2 more servers on hand when the load was too great. I *never* used the other 2 servers all year (I know, waste of servers -- but I had them running seti-at-home, so they got a workout. :) This year, I'm going to put all 3 into play, and try using nautilus as to supply desktop icons. We'll see how it goes. Good luck, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 13:37:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:37:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <42D3BD88.1060704@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000f01c586e6$e40ca080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > If I wanted to redirect all incoming FTP traffic (assumably > ports 20&21) > to a second server, without the user knowing -- what would > the best way > to accomplish that be? Can iptables do such a thing? Not sure if I have an answer, so lets see if you can help me clarify the problem. Do you have a second FTP server running that is somehow synced with another box and you want to load balance between the two? Or are you putting a new server in place and want make the transition without any glitch in service? If the first problem describes what you want to do, then look into round robin DNS and a second external IP. With round robin DNS you can do an entry with the same url (ftp.yourserver.org) and point it to multiple IP's. Then it will rotate the load evenly across each IP in the list. This would be fairly simple if you host your own DNS, but most like tougher with an online host. Then you must be sharing the /home and syncing user with LDAP or something. I don't know how you would do it on a single IP. Maybe then you would have to get into some sort of scripting with your port forwarding or IP tables. Otherwise if it is the second issue, just set up the second server the way you want, then throw the switch on your port forwarding. But I think you are asking about the first one. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 12 13:43:29 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:43:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <000f01c586e6$e40ca080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c586e6$e40ca080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42D3C901.9010707@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Otherwise if it is the second issue, just set up the second server the > way you want, then throw the switch on your port forwarding. But I > think you are asking about the first one. Nope, the second. My users are used to connecting to "ourserver.org" for ftp. The machine that runs email now (thus "ourserver.org") no longer hosts home directories -- so I need to have access ftp traffic going to "ourserver.org" redirect to "ftp.ourserver.org" I can do it for outside traffic (via portforwarding on my ipcop firewall) -- but I'm not sure how to do it internally, where there is no redirection, but rather direct connection to a 10. address. (I have a bogus DNS server inside our network that points traffic for ourserver.org to an internal 10. address) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Tue Jul 12 13:55:16 2005 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello Facchetti) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:55:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] swapping eth cards Message-ID: <42D3CBC4.2070901@yahoo.it> In the default install of k12ltsp eth0 is the interface on the thin-client side of the server and eth1 is the interface on the "public" side. I'm installing on a machine with a built-in ethernet card (the setup program takes it as eth0) and an added gigabit nic (taken as eth1). Obviously I want them in the reverse order, with the gigabit eth1 serving the thin-clients. How can I arrange this? I modified dhcp.conf with the IP of eth1, and modified /etc/hosts consequently. Which other steps shall I take? tia Antonello From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 14:08:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:08:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <42D3C901.9010707@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001101c586eb$2da67f50$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Nope, the second. My users are used to connecting to "ourserver.org" > for ftp. The machine that runs email now (thus "ourserver.org") no > longer hosts home directories -- so I need to have access ftp traffic > going to "ourserver.org" redirect to "ftp.ourserver.org" > > I can do it for outside traffic (via portforwarding on my ipcop > firewall) -- but I'm not sure how to do it internally, where > there is no > redirection, but rather direct connection to a 10. address. > > (I have a bogus DNS server inside our network that points traffic for > ourserver.org to an internal 10. address) Okay, that is a little more clear. So what you are saying is externally you don't have a problem because ftp.ourserver.org and ourserver.org point to the same IP and your port forwarding will handle who traffic is directed to. But internally you have no port forwarding thus if your internal DNS server pointed both to the same IP you would be directed to the wrong machine. First off there is a lesson here. Make sure you use a complete url in the future. For mail make sure to at least use mail.yourserver.com, for ftp use ftp.yourserver.com, for web use www.yourserver.com, for blah use blah.yourserver.com. I have made the same mistake as well. It seems simpler when everything is on one server to use the shorter address, but bites you in the ass when you want to split them up. So now you are wondering if ourserver.org could have its iptable process the incoming request, and if the request is for ports 20 or 21, forward the request to ftp.ourserver.org. Anyone? I don't know enough about IP tables to help here. I don't see why this wouldn't be possible, add something that says forward any requests for ports x and y to ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and let all others pass through locally. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jul 12 14:40:48 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:40:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laserjet Printer w/embedded jetdirect print server In-Reply-To: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> References: <42D3366A.4050703@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <42D3D670.2030707@elp.rr.com> I run several HP printers with jet direct some with print server some with out.. Hook an ethernet cable to it, get its ip address, and use ldap. Liam Marshall wrote: > The school just bought an HP LaserJet 2430dtn printer for the lab > I was wondering the best way to set it up with K12LTSP. It comes with > an embedded print server via JetDirect and 64 MB ram. I configured > it, I think. Plugged it into the network with network cable. my test > server (4.4.0 beta) I established a connection to the printer using > the ip address I set up on the printer > > It prints. If I set it up to share/print, all the work is going > through the server, right? Last year, when huge print jobs were sent > to a printer attached directly to the server via parallel port, the > printing used up major resources according to TOP. > > I was hoping that if the server conncects to the printer via TCP/IP > that jobs would basically pass through the server and most of the > processing would be done on the printer itself. Would that reduce the > load I saw with the old printer directly connected via parallel to the > server? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aust_txv at access-k12.org Tue Jul 12 17:42:02 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:42:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAM amount issue and the Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <42D32B08.1080207@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <178458504.1121164922@[10.2.1.222]> Hi Everyone, Catch me up on the linux RAM issue on how much it (the kernel) can address ? Will 4.4 address 4 GIG or do I need to stay with 3 GIG ? FYI for the poeple shopping for servers and designing k12ltsp setups. I am in the middle of 70 client install spread across three servers. Not monster servers. I have 3 IBM x206 servers with Ultra320 SCSI 36GIG 15k drives and 3 or 4 GIG of RAM hence my above question. I think the single processors are 3.4Ghz. Gig nic for the LTSP side and 100 mb/fd for the other. Last year we ran 22 off a 2.4Ghz with 2 GIG of RAM and ICE nicely. For those poeple shocked at duel processor prices, spend your cash on RAM and I/O. If anyone is interested I will post more on performance, but it will be hard to tell until kids get back. Tom Ventresco From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jul 12 14:46:00 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:46:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: References: <000001c584f2$403c1a80$0100000a@staff.markham.edu.pe> Message-ID: <42D3D7A8.8020406@elp.rr.com> I teach in one of those schools that Alan just mentioned. I build my own classroom ltsp setup with a small server and 8 terminals/thin clients. Life got very easy because of the security and such provided as a normal part of the ltsp operating system. No more reloading Windblows software everyday because a student decided to trash something. It works and the price can't be beat. Hi Al Bye Pat Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hola Omar > > I work for one of the largest school districts in West Texas (El Paso > ISD - 62,000+ students, 88 campuses) and in spite of the fact that > K12LTSP labs and classroom clusters are installed only in 5 middle > schools, our conservative estimate is that on any given day more than > 1500 students use the thin clients for typing, computer applications > or research. The reliability of the servers is what makes them so > popular. A few teachers may resist the initial deployment - some they > think they are "too old" to have to "learn another system", but after > a few weeks that idea vanishes, when they (and their students) realize > that they have "all the Micro$oft applications" and then some... > > Fell free to look at http://links.episd.org and click on our friend > TUX. More information is available there - use anything you need. > > Good luck > > Alan A Hodson MEd > aahodson at episd dot org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Jul 12 15:53:02 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:53:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2nd NIC Card Message-ID: <200507121553.j6CFr2p3020747@mx1.redhat.com> My best friend is the principle of a school in Sparks, Nevada and I am trying to put together the pieces for putting 50 thin clients in 14 classrooms. I have been able to get five compaq deskpro pIII clients to come up on eth0, but when I plug eth1 into my network with the internet connection I can't get it to work. The network the eth1 is plugged into has a firewall that acts as the dhcp server and does this just fine to the other 30 computers on it. If I login to the firewall I can see the DHCP server responding with 192.168.1.90 but the LTSP box doesn't pick it up. I have changed network cards but I get the same thing. If I manually configure the eth1 settings to 192.168.1.26 (and open IP) I can ping it from another machine, but I can't ping out from the machine. Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Jul 12 16:45:24 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:45:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosk extension to firefox Message-ID: <1121186724.4265.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, all. It is with extreme pride that I would like to make everyone aware of a Firefox extension that one of our interns, Jevin, has been working on for kiosk browsing. It can be found on Mozilla's website: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&category=Kiosk%20Browsing It is open source, of course, and he would love it if anyone could help him solve the one remaining issue of it not loading a default web page. :) Enjoy! -Gadi -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Jul 12 17:17:08 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (wescott at sc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:17:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? Message-ID: <1e19e641e14d78.1e14d781e19e64@southeast.rr.com> > From my experience SATA is better than IDE, but still doesn't > compare to SCSI. I have been trying some SATA raids in servers lately and > without doing any benchmarking the SATA is slower. I can notice the > difference ust working on the machine, not near as responsive. >From what I've been told (by one of the Linux SCSI developers) one generally gets better performance from SCSI than from IDE or SATA. This is because SCSI tends to use fewer interrupts per I/O and that SATA vendors have not implemented all the features of SATA that would make the disks suitable for server class machines. The volume is in the desktop, I guess. This situation may change as time goes on but for now SCSI tends to offer better performance. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From robark at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 17:31:05 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:31:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/05, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > What does the community think of scsi and K12? > Right now scsi is your best choice. But by the end of this year SATA II should be an option for us. SATA II comes with ncq which is the same as tcq in scsi drives and also 300 MB/s max data transfer rate. The drive/controller/OS are capable of sending/receiving multiple i/o operations to the disk at once and let the disk determine most efficient head movement strategy. Very important in servers. IDE or regular SATA drives will kill themselves doing all requests in order (too much head movement) That's why you hear that thrashing noise. Plus scsi drives have higher rpm and I believe they are manufactured to a higher standard. The main advantage of SATA II is that it will be MUCH cheaper than scsi. For example you can buy 250GB sata for ~$150 CAD but a 36GB scsi costs ~$225 CAD. I believe SATA II will have taken a big share of the scsi market in about a year. BTW as far as I know the only chipsets that fully support SATA II right now are the intel ICH7 which comes paired with the Intel 945/955 northbridges and the nvidia nforce4. The Intel 915/925 and the Sil 3124 support ncq but not the entire SATA II spec. The upcoming VIA 8251 southbridg and the Silicon image 3132 pci-e card support SATA II. I am guessing they will be available by Sept. However, kernel support is in the works and drive manufacturers are slowly supporting ncq. Although I have not seen any SATA II drives for sale yet. Like I said, x-mas is when I think everything will come together for SATA II and Linux. One other thing to note. Currently we must depend on scsi controller manufacturers to provide driver source. Some do better than others. But the AHCI spec is open. I know that controllers which follow the spec will be FULLY supported by linux out of the box. Currently the only ones I know that do are Intel, Sil and upcoming VIA. Nvidia does NOT. That's why I won't buy Nvidia nforce4 MB. See this site for further details. http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 17:54:10 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:54:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: References: <8ae10c1005071111333def6b8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > One other thing to note. Currently we must depend on scsi controller > manufacturers to provide driver source. Some do better than others. > But the AHCI spec is open. I know that controllers which follow the > spec will be FULLY supported by linux out of the box. Currently the > only ones I know that do are Intel, Sil and upcoming VIA. Nvidia does > NOT. That's why I won't buy Nvidia nforce4 MB. See this site for > further details. Actually I should correct something. I think Sil does NOT follow AHCI. Not sure if they are going to provide source. The problem with Nvidia is that they never release source. They do support SATA II but they won't release the specs to their hardware and only provide their own binary drivers. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Jul 12 18:03:46 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:03:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBDAD@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Check out Tyan boards for well-supported ck804. -dhbarr. Around Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:54 PM, Robert Arkiletian (mailto:robark at gmail.com) wrote: > On 7/12/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> One other thing to note. Currently we must depend on scsi controller >> manufacturers to provide driver source. Some do better than others. >> But the AHCI spec is open. I know that controllers which follow the >> spec will be FULLY supported by linux out of the box. Currently the >> only ones I know that do are Intel, Sil and upcoming VIA. Nvidia does >> NOT. That's why I won't buy Nvidia nforce4 MB. See this site for >> further details. > > Actually I should correct something. I think Sil does NOT follow AHCI. > Not sure if they are going to provide source. The problem with Nvidia > is that they never release source. They do support SATA II but they > won't release the specs to their hardware and only provide their own > binary drivers. From bill at computassist.com Tue Jul 12 18:45:03 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:45:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client In-Reply-To: <42D3C695.6010900@inlandlakes.org> References: <000e01c586e5$32170790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42D3C695.6010900@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050712134503.328cf4d5@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday, Jul 12 Shawn Powers wrote: > This year, I'm going to put all 3 into play, and try using nautilus as > to supply desktop icons. We'll see how it goes. If you still want to have the performance that IceWM gives you, but add desktop icons and backgrounds too, give ROX-filer a try. Performance with IceWM+ROX is much better than nautilus, and I've had fewer problems with ROX. Nautilus will crash or hang from time to time. http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/ I couldn't install rox using yum or apt (don't think it's included in the repositories), so I downloaded a FC4 RPM file and installed it manually with rpm -ivh. Install rox, then add this line to /etc/X11/gdm/Session/IceWM: rox --pinboard=roxpin & I went so far as to add an ICEWM_USE_ROX option in /etc/sysconfig/icewm and another if statement to use it in the gdm session script. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From olle at paalalinn.com Tue Jul 12 18:49:58 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:49:58 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 pre2 screensaver pass Message-ID: <42D410D6.8070201@paalalinn.com> Hi! 4.4.0 pre2 screensaver still locks screen with password. Is this a new trend or bug? All k12ltsp-s before comes with screensaver password disabled by default. Olle Niit From olle at paalalinn.com Tue Jul 12 19:17:22 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:17:22 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1EL pre-release #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D41742.30809@paalalinn.com> Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Second, the "VNC off by default" bug reported in K12LTSP 4.4.0 may or may > not exist in this build. I'll try to test this and possibly fix it > tomorrow, if you get to it before I do please post the results! > Fresh install from 4.4.0 pre2 cd-s and VNC is still default off. Even after yum update. And screensaver is password protected as I already reported too. Olle Niit From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 12 19:29:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:29:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <000d01c586e1$d1e35f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000d01c586e1$d1e35f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1121196591.13417.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 08:01, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > (SATA might work too -- I have no experience there, > > only that > > IDE won't cut it after about 8 clients) > > >From my experience SATA is better than IDE, but still doesn't compare to > SCSI. I have been trying some SATA raids in servers lately and without > doing any benchmarking the SATA is slower. I can notice the difference > just working on the machine, not near as responsive. Most of the inexpensive SATA raid cards are really doing software raid in the bios. Have you tried one of these: http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata9000.asp? I've only used the older IDE versions but they are real hardware RAID and appear as scsi devices to Linux. The 8500 series has been stable for a long time with Linux drivers included in the kernel and I think the 9xxx versions are solid now. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 12 19:41:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:41:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <42D3C901.9010707@inlandlakes.org> References: <000f01c586e6$e40ca080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42D3C901.9010707@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1121197267.13417.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 08:43, Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Otherwise if it is the second issue, just set up the second server the > > way you want, then throw the switch on your port forwarding. But I > > think you are asking about the first one. > > Nope, the second. My users are used to connecting to "ourserver.org" > for ftp. The machine that runs email now (thus "ourserver.org") no > longer hosts home directories -- so I need to have access ftp traffic > going to "ourserver.org" redirect to "ftp.ourserver.org" > > I can do it for outside traffic (via portforwarding on my ipcop > firewall) -- but I'm not sure how to do it internally, where there is no > redirection, but rather direct connection to a 10. address. > > (I have a bogus DNS server inside our network that points traffic for > ourserver.org to an internal 10. address) Why not NFS-mount the home directories into the server with the name people use for ftp? As long as the uids match or you have network authentication it should work nicely. Alternatively, it is easy enough to make mail delivery go somewhere else - but you probably don't want to reconfigure all the clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 19:51:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:51:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <1121197267.13417.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Alternatively, it is easy enough to make mail delivery go > somewhere else - but you probably don't want to reconfigure > all the clients. That just jarred a thought. Couldn't you point ourserver.org to the ftp server IP, but then set the mx record for ourserver.org to the mail server IP? This should allow for two IP's to the same domain right? I think that would work. That shouldn't require a change on the clients configuration and should work internally and externally. Or will that screw up POP and SMTP even though incoming mail would find its way? Of course if everyone is using webmail that problem would be solved. Unless of course they access webmail with ourserver.org which would take them to the ftp box, but then a apache redirect could be set up on that box to bounce over to the mail machine. Just some more thoughts. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jul 12 19:58:45 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Alternatively, it is easy enough to make mail delivery go > > somewhere else - but you probably don't want to reconfigure > > all the clients. > > That just jarred a thought. Couldn't you point ourserver.org to the ftp > server IP, but then set the mx record for ourserver.org to the mail > server IP? This should allow for two IP's to the same domain right? I > think that would work. That shouldn't require a change on the clients > configuration and should work internally and externally. Or will that > screw up POP and SMTP even though incoming mail would find its way? Of > course if everyone is using webmail that problem would be solved. > Unless of course they access webmail with ourserver.org which would take > them to the ftp box, but then a apache redirect could be set up on that > box to bounce over to the mail machine. I always setup separate names for imap, pop, smtp, even though they may currently all resolve to the same IP address. This makes it real easy to move services around, and all you need to do is update dns. No changes would be needed on the pcs. For instance: bigdog.ltsp.org. IN A 192.168.0.254 smtp.ltsp.org. IN CNAME bigdog.ltsp.org. pop.ltsp.org. IN CNAME bigdog.ltsp.org. imap.ltsp.org. IN CNAME bigdog.ltsp.org. ltsp.org. IN MX 5 bigdog.ltsp.org. Hope that helps. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Jul 12 20:05:43 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:05:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] /dev/sequencer on ess sound card Message-ID: <20050712160543.730d337a@localhost.localdomain> Dear List, I have an IBM Aptiva that I use as a thin client (using a boot floppy). It has an onboard PCI soundcard. The sound card uses the ESS Solo1 driver in Windows, (booting without the floppy) and loads the esssolo1 when booted as a client. The sound seems to work OK in all but a few apps. One example is tuxmath. When I run tuxmath from a terminal, there error is: /dev/sequencer : device not found (or something _very_ similar - don't have it in front of me right now) and then sound starts to come out the speakers of the server. Right now, my lts.conf file has the following: [192.168.0.2] X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # Need sound info, sound card loaded, but /dev/sequencer could # not be found SMODULE_01 = "esssolo1" SMODULE_02 = "snd-seq-device" SMODULE_03 = "snd-seq-midi" Since this will be going into a pre-school room, they really want/need the sound to work. And I actually have 4 identical machines that will go into the setup. (So the room will have 1 'white box' server with 1.0Ghz, 512MB RAM, and 4 IBM Aptiva clients) So does anyone have experience with this machine/card as a client and know how to get the /dev/sequencer identified? -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us Tue Jul 12 20:06:50 2005 From: tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us (Tom Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:06:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp and Novell 5.1 In-Reply-To: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1121198810.26714.9.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Hi all. Looks like this year we will be keeping our Novell 5.1 server. (Oh joy). We are also going to add a K12LTSP lab. My question is has anyone tried to authenticate against a Novell 5.1 server? It appears to be running a version of LDAP, not sure which at the moment. Ditching the Novell server is not an option this year. (but a nice, new samba/ldap server would do the trick!) I need to have the flexibility of allowing the kids to log into either the windows lab or the linux lab. If I have to, I can duplicate all of the user accounts on the K12LTSP server, but that is not my desire. Thanks. Tom From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 12 20:23:03 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:23:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp and Novell 5.1 In-Reply-To: <1121198810.26714.9.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <002501c5871f$817c9a90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Looks like this year we will be keeping our Novell 5.1 > server. (Oh joy). We are also going to add a K12LTSP lab. My > question is has anyone tried to authenticate against a Novell > 5.1 server? It appears to be running a version of LDAP, not > sure which at the moment. Ditching the Novell server is not > an option this year. (but a nice, new samba/ldap server would > do the trick!) I need to have the flexibility of allowing > the kids to log into either the windows lab or the linux lab. Since you can't ditch the Novell setup, just install a SMB/LDAP server and auth everyone to it. Then let the Novell run in the server room and just tell everyone that is what they are using :-) Sorry, that doesn't help does it. Just for that I'll try to help some. A quick google search brought this up http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html But that looks like you need Novell 6.0 or later to work. I see this website had someone post about using Novell 5.1, if all else fails you could try to contact them. The email that posted was desmond at dunhess.com.au Good luck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jul 12 20:25:12 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:25:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1121196591.13417.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000d01c586e1$d1e35f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <1121196591.13417.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1121199912.21632.156.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 15:29, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 08:01, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > (SATA might work too -- I have no experience there, > > > only that > > > IDE won't cut it after about 8 clients) > > > > >From my experience SATA is better than IDE, but still doesn't compare to > > SCSI. I have been trying some SATA raids in servers lately and without > > doing any benchmarking the SATA is slower. I can notice the difference > > just working on the machine, not near as responsive. > > Most of the inexpensive SATA raid cards are really doing software raid > in the bios. Have you tried one of these: > http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata9000.asp? > > I've only used the older IDE versions but they are real hardware RAID > and appear as scsi devices to Linux. The 8500 series has been stable > for a long time with Linux drivers included in the kernel and I think > the 9xxx versions are solid now. fwiw - We have just built a new server with a 3ware sata 9000 series card in it. Will be bringing it on line tomorrow morning. Our oldest server has a 3ware ata raid that has worked like a champ for 3 years now and it has supplied /home to all the students. Our intention is to compare the performance of our 4 k12 servers, well actually 3 because 2 are identical. One has the 3ware ata, two are scsi running Linux software raid and now the the 3ware 9000. Anyone have any input as how to make these comparisons? Bonnie++ I guess is the tool of choice but it would be nice to have results that a laymen could wrap their arms around. John -- John From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Jul 12 20:59:00 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:59:00 -0700 Subject: FW: [K12OSN] 2nd NIC Card Message-ID: <200507122058.j6CKwtDm003891@mx1.redhat.com> Looks like this was a bug with one of the cards I was trying to use. Thanks, Robert -----Original Message----- From: David H. Barr [mailto:david at okgoodwill.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:18 PM To: Robert E. Gomberg Subject: RE: [K12OSN] 2nd NIC Card It looks like you're running into a known bug with RealTek 8139cp drivers under Fedora Core. Bug 15621 seems to have a fix. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=156261 You could try forwarding this (the relevant section) back to the list now that we've narrowed down the problem. Make sure you let them know what the card is. Alternatively, you could obtain another network card of some variety. I've had very good success with Intel. NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out eth1: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 00. eth1: Tx queue start entry 4 dirty entry 0. eth1: Tx descriptor 0 is 0008a05a. (queue head) eth1: Tx descriptor 1 is 0008a04e. eth1: Tx descriptor 2 is 0008a046. eth1: Tx descriptor 3 is 0008a156. eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out eth1: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 00. eth1: Tx queue start entry 4 dirty entry 0. eth1: Tx descriptor 0 is 0008a046. (queue head) eth1: Tx descriptor 1 is 0008a046. eth1: Tx descriptor 2 is 0008a156. eth1: Tx descriptor 3 is 0008a156. eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 -dhbarr. From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Tue Jul 12 21:39:53 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:39:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP problems Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jul 12 22:10:52 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > Today I got the following message: > "abandoning IP address 172.16.102.248: pinged before offer" > What do you make of that and how can I fix it? dhcpd will attempt to ping an address before it will offer it, to make sure it's not currently in use. Sounds like another machine on the net is using that address. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Jul 12 22:15:27 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:15:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor Message-ID: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> I have successfully loaded K12LTSP on some misc. hardware that I had laying around and able to browse the internet and access the game programs from the various thin client PC's. I have poked around the educational programs. My plan is to setup a boardroom demo for a local elementary school principle (my kids, his kids) to come in a play with the computers and see if we can push it to a classroom. Any ideas on what I should add to the K12LTSP distribution? Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Jul 12 22:21:40 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 12 Jul 2005 18:21:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1121206899.27948.7.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 15:51, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Alternatively, it is easy enough to make mail delivery go > > somewhere else - but you probably don't want to reconfigure > > all the clients. > > That just jarred a thought. Couldn't you point ourserver.org to the ftp > server IP, but then set the mx record for ourserver.org to the mail > server IP? This should allow for two IP's to the same domain right? I > think that would work. Pop and imap clients don't generally use the MX record. So, no it won't work. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:36:36 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:36:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1eb89cf2050712153669742797@mail.gmail.com> Add Moodle ( http://moodle.org/ ) to k12LTSP and you will have an unbeatable combination. Check out the Moodle Faculty Room @ http://eplearners.com/login/index.php create an account and login! Ken Johnson On 7/12/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > > > I have successfully loaded K12LTSP on some misc. hardware that I had laying > around and able to browse the internet and access the game programs from the > various thin client PC's. > > > > I have poked around the educational programs. > > > > My plan is to setup a boardroom demo for a local elementary school principle > (my kids, his kids) to come in a play with the computers and see if we can > push it to a classroom. > > > > Any ideas on what I should add to the K12LTSP distribution? > > > > Thanks, Robert > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 12 22:42:48 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:42:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf2050712153669742797@mail.gmail.com> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> <1eb89cf2050712153669742797@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D44768.7080405@paasda.org> might want to actually add some content though =) --Huck Ken Johnson wrote: > Add Moodle ( http://moodle.org/ ) to k12LTSP and you will have an > unbeatable combination. > > > Check out the Moodle Faculty Room @ > > http://eplearners.com/login/index.php > > create an account and login! > > Ken Johnson > > > On 7/12/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > >> >> >> >>I have successfully loaded K12LTSP on some misc. hardware that I had laying >>around and able to browse the internet and access the game programs from the >>various thin client PC's. >> >> >> >>I have poked around the educational programs. >> >> >> >>My plan is to setup a boardroom demo for a local elementary school principle >>(my kids, his kids) to come in a play with the computers and see if we can >>push it to a classroom. >> >> >> >>Any ideas on what I should add to the K12LTSP distribution? >> >> >> >>Thanks, Robert >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:46:20 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:46:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <42D44768.7080405@paasda.org> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> <1eb89cf2050712153669742797@mail.gmail.com> <42D44768.7080405@paasda.org> Message-ID: Adding Moodle won't do anything for the user experience of the principal and some teachers coming in... I think the stock k12 is chock-full of good stuff, and it's plenty and enough. Usually people go right to the typing programs (!), and there are three or four included. Steve On 7/12/05, Huck wrote: > might want to actually add some content though =) > > --Huck > > Ken Johnson wrote: > > Add Moodle ( http://moodle.org/ ) to k12LTSP and you will have an > > unbeatable combination. > > > > > > Check out the Moodle Faculty Room @ > > > > http://eplearners.com/login/index.php > > > > create an account and login! > > > > Ken Johnson > > > > > > On 7/12/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >>I have successfully loaded K12LTSP on some misc. hardware that I had laying > >>around and able to browse the internet and access the game programs from the > >>various thin client PC's. > >> > >> > >> > >>I have poked around the educational programs. > >> > >> > >> > >>My plan is to setup a boardroom demo for a local elementary school principle > >>(my kids, his kids) to come in a play with the computers and see if we can > >>push it to a classroom. > >> > >> > >> > >>Any ideas on what I should add to the K12LTSP distribution? > >> > >> > >> > >>Thanks, Robert > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From nbs at sonic.net Tue Jul 12 22:53:20 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:53:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050712225320.GA18916@sonic.net> On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 03:15:27PM -0700, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > I have poked around the educational programs. KStars? Tux Paint? (my baby :^) ) -bill! From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Jul 12 23:14:27 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 12 Jul 2005 19:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <1121197267.13417.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000f01c586e6$e40ca080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42D3C901.9010707@inlandlakes.org> <1121197267.13417.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1121210066.27948.60.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 08:43, Shawn Powers wrote: > Nope, the second. My users are used to connecting to "ourserver.org" > for ftp. The machine that runs email now (thus "ourserver.org") no > longer hosts home directories -- so I need to have access ftp traffic > going to "ourserver.org" redirect to "ftp.ourserver.org" Google tcpproxy and ftp.proxy. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Jul 12 23:58:48 2005 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:58:48 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20K12ltsp=20and=20Novell=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?5.1?= Message-ID: I did this first wiki page when i integrated k12ltsp into novell 6 http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthenticationforK12LTSP Then somebody made a shorter rehash of what i did http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm Then someone found a way to eliminated the nwhome directory in the users folder. http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/NDSLTSP.pdf All of the above allows us to not create a single user on the k12 box, all authentification is taken care of by Novell. My server has been running two solid years whith this setup, a real joy. Hope this works with Novell 5.1 >>> tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us 12/07/05 16:06 >>> Hi all. Looks like this year we will be keeping our Novell 5.1 server. (Oh joy). We are also going to add a K12LTSP lab. My question is has anyone tried to authenticate against a Novell 5.1 server? It appears to be running a version of LDAP, not sure which at the moment. Ditching the Novell server is not an option this year. (but a nice, new samba/ldap server would do the trick!) I need to have the flexibility of allowing the kids to log into either the windows lab or the linux lab. If I have to, I can duplicate all of the user accounts on the K12LTSP server, but that is not my desire. Thanks. Tom _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jul 13 01:10:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:10:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: References: <002201c5871b$0d0930a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42D46A0F.7050901@inlandlakes.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > I always setup separate names for imap, pop, smtp, even though they may > currently all resolve to the same IP address. Yes yes... but hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. I would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty fork than try to teach my staff that they have to put ftp. in front of the servername. (Yeah, I had a bad year last year...) I can't NFS mount home, because I have /home populated locally with Maildir folders on the mailserver. I *don't* want people to have direct access to Maildir in their home folders, because they tend to delete the folder (I didnt' put that there syndrome). I think I am just going to have ftp not work internally. I don't have enough summer left to do MX stuff. (I have to learn to administer an xserve this summer, which is NOT going well... I just locked myself out of the server before I left from work today... Any OSX server gurus are welcome to contact me offlist if they have any advice for setting up my new 10.4.1 xserve... ugh) Thanks for all the input, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 13 01:29:03 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:29:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <20050712225320.GA18916@sonic.net> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> <20050712225320.GA18916@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1121218143.42d46e5f67d90@sages.us> I second Tux Paint. This is a must have. Great work, Bill. You should be proud of your "baby". Quoting Bill Kendrick : > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 03:15:27PM -0700, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > I have poked around the educational programs. > > KStars? Tux Paint? (my baby :^) ) > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 13 01:25:57 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Console Message-ID: <20050712212557.djjt00znxvk0ksck@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Does anyone have experience using Samba Console for administration of SMB/LDAP? It looks pretty slick if it does what I think it does. I'll try installing it soon. http://imc.sourceforge.net/samba-console.html -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jul 13 01:40:06 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:40:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rename User Message-ID: <42D470F6.5010709@honeygroveisd.net> I've set up a Samba/LDAP system with the dandy new Samba/LDAP script, and I need to change the user name for a teacher who got married this summer. In Windows that's a snap to do, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it in Linux. Can someone point me in the right direction? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress." -- Mark Twain From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 13 01:45:28 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:45:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch Message-ID: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> I'm writing this e-mail to the list to serve as a heads up to other people who might be looking to make this switch in the future. We switched from a Windows 2000 Active Directory setup that has been in place for ~4 years. While I haven't done very much of any setup on the server end (most of this was handled by Chuck Liebow) I played a large part in the deployment and bug fixing in our environment. The switch from Active Directory to SMB/LDAP has taken us the better part of two days, and this was even after extensive testing in our "sandbox". It seemed like Murphy's law was in full effect while we made the switch. We still have many machines to join to the new domain. At this point we have secretary's and office staff ready to go. Here are some of the stumbling blocks we encountered: Check permissions on Windows servers before joining your new domain. Some of our drives were configured so that only Domain Admins could access them. After joining the new domain, the new domain admins didn't match up so I couldn't access the drives. I ended up disjoining, and rejoing the old domain and took ownership of the drives using an account local to the server so I could modify permissions when I switched back. For those people who are using Citrix and might be hesitant of making the switch to SMB/LDAP (I certainly was), it works great! Citrix gave us no problems at all. Before disjoining make sure that your servers local administrator account has full administrative rights in the management console. Please note that you should write down all the permissions on your published apps before changing domains or you won't be able to see what they were before (show up as account unknown). Write down your sharing and security information on server shares (show up as account unknown after the switch). Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile directory and home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use roaming profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories from roaming to cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon script). We instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file via logon script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since these folders would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live amongst the the other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that would randomly disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately we stuck with using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home directory and put the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier than putting the profiles in the default location because we have a large partition for /home. Overall I suppose the switch was well worth it. We'll see how things go now that our users are going to begin using the system. I expect there will be several minor issues that popup in the coming weeks, but I don't anticipate any show stoppers. This will be our first experience using roaming profiles which is exciting to me and I think it will provide our users with a much nicer overall computing experience. If anyone has any advice on how to handle laptop users in an environment such as this I'd love to hear it. As it is, I think not joining them to the domain will be the best answer. The laptops are often not connected to the network and I think this would be a nightmare for a laptop user. I think they would work better as standalone units with just a shortcut to their server space to perform manual backups from time to time when they are connected to our network. They shouldn't have a great need for roaming profiles since they have the ability to take their computer with them. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Jul 13 02:45:50 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:45:50 -0600 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_K12ltsp_and?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Novell_5=2E1?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D4805E.2010602@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marksarria at socal.rr.com Wed Jul 13 03:01:09 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:01:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rename User References: <42D470F6.5010709@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <001f01c58757$1f0c4710$6401a8c0@digital1> go to your /opt/IDEALX/sbin then type ./smbldap-usermod you will see the options to change user name or userid ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cockrell" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Rename User > I've set up a Samba/LDAP system with the dandy new Samba/LDAP script, and > I need to change the user name for a teacher who got married this summer. > In Windows that's a snap to do, but I can't seem to figure out how to do > it in Linux. Can someone point me in the right direction? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress." -- > Mark Twain > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jul 13 03:44:28 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:44:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow factor In-Reply-To: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507122215.j6CMFM3E027671@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42D48E1C.4090702@elp.rr.com> If there is a particular Windblows application used by your crowd then you might want to load Wine and those M$ programs also. In my district the grade book program and Inspiration would be a good examples. Bye Pat Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > I have successfully loaded K12LTSP on some misc. hardware that I had > laying around and able to browse the internet and access the game > programs from the various thin client PC's. > > > > I have poked around the educational programs. > > > > My plan is to setup a boardroom demo for a local elementary school > principle (my kids, his kids) to come in a play with the computers and > see if we can push it to a classroom. > > > > Any ideas on what I should add to the K12LTSP distribution? > > > > Thanks, Robert > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I then open a terminal and type su It prompts me for root password. I enter the correct password. I find myself back with my users account as if I never typed su Why would this be happening? If I put the wrong password it tells me wrong password. I think it was working before. Any help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From staceypacquette at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:37:00 2005 From: staceypacquette at gmail.com (stacey pacquette) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:37:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind Message-ID: <96bd2d700507130037234bc42d@mail.gmail.com> I was using winbind to log in using windows ad accounts for a while with no problems, then after an update to the fedora server a few days ago logins using a.d. accounts failed repeatedly. Oddly if I issue the wbinfo - u right before trying to log in; the lo gin with an a.d. account succeds. I'm curious if anyone else has been experiencing this problem. 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URL: From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Wed Jul 13 11:18:31 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:18:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] freeing dhcp addresses In-Reply-To: <20050713013000.7090B73DA6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Jim, I am running K12LTSP on our main LAN segment and have DHCP configured with dhcpd.conf in the following fashion. default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; authoritative; option subnet-mask 255.255.252.0; option broadcast-address 172.16.103.255; option routers 172.16.100.1; option domain-name-servers 172.16.100.21, 172.16.100.60, 168.169.8.8; option domain-name "franklinville.local"; option root-path "172.16.100.60:/opt/ltsp/i386"; # option root-path "172.16.100.60:/tftpboot/lts/"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 172.16.100.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 { range 172.16.101.1 172.16.101.254; range 172.16.102.1 172.16.102.254; range dynamic-bootp 172.16.103.100 172.16.103.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 172.16.100.60; Do I need to make changes in /etc/hosts to insure that only the thin clients get those addresses that are specified in "range dynamic-bootp"? The dhcp server is doing a great job serving dhcp for our LAN I just need it to work with LTSP. It was working a couple of days ago and then I rebooted the server and I began to have the issues with ping. Thanks, Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Jul 13 12:23:45 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:23:45 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12linux and SCSI... any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1121199912.21632.156.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <000d01c586e1$d1e35f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <1121196591.13417.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1121199912.21632.156.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <200507130223.45803.scott@hosef.org> On Tuesday 12 July 2005 10:25 am, John Baillie wrote: > fwiw - We have just built a new server with a 3ware sata 9000 series > card in it. Will be bringing it on line tomorrow morning. > Our oldest server has a 3ware ata raid that has worked like a champ for > 3 years now and it has supplied /home to all the students. They make outstanding FOSS friendly cards. > > Our intention is to compare the performance of our 4 k12 servers, well > actually 3 because 2 are identical. One has the 3ware ata, two are scsi > running Linux software raid and now the the 3ware 9000. > > Anyone have any input as how to make these comparisons? Bonnie++ I guess > is the tool of choice but it would be nice to have results that a laymen > could wrap their arms around. Last year we ran Bonnie++ on a SCSI Hardware Raid System, a SCSI Software Raid System, and a 3ware SATA controller. The results are here http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/hosef-managers/2004q2/001841.html and would benefit from more details. Long story short: SATA raid performs very well, but the CPU utilization on a hardware raid SCSI system is substantially less. > > John --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jul 13 12:36:24 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5 to DES (for osx) Message-ID: <42D50AC8.7040606@inlandlakes.org> Argh! It seems that OSX server cannot handle MD5 password encryption via NIS. Is there any way to convert my (linux) system to using DES encryption on passwords instead of MD5? (Yes, I know LDAP will work, but I don't have enough time to try getting it to work this summer, especially if FDS is around the corner...) Anyone authenticating OSX via NIS using MD5 encryption on the linux box? If so, what magic did you use? Thanks for any help you can offer, -Shawn, who's having a bad week so far... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jul 13 13:07:10 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:07:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5 to DES (for osx) In-Reply-To: <42D50AC8.7040606@inlandlakes.org> References: <42D50AC8.7040606@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42D511FE.4060503@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > It seems that OSX server cannot handle MD5 password encryption via NIS. > Is there any way to convert my (linux) system to using DES encryption > on passwords instead of MD5? Nevermind... it seems that isn't my problem (I googled, and that's what I came up with, but it was wrong) Now I can't get /home to mount at /home -- but I'll keep plugging away at it. :) (My users CAN authenticate via NIS now, I just have to figure out how to mount /home) Thanks for reading, sorry for polluting the list, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 13:49:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:49:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP redirect? In-Reply-To: <42D46A0F.7050901@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002701c587b1$a8bce500$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > of the server before I left from work today... Any OSX > server gurus are > welcome to contact me offlist if they have any advice for > setting up my > new 10.4.1 xserve... ugh) I'll give one quick shot of advice. CHOOSE YOUR IP CAREFULLY! For some reason OSX server doesn't seem to play nice with IP changes (or at least it didn't use to, but maybe it has finally been fixed). It used to be that if you changed the IP your setup was hosed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 14:01:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:01:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5 to DES (for osx) In-Reply-To: <42D511FE.4060503@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002801c587b3$6ab01eb0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Now I can't get /home to mount at /home -- but I'll keep > plugging away > at it. :) > > (My users CAN authenticate via NIS now, I just have to figure > out how to > mount /home) Check out my tutorial for Authenticating OSX to a linux LDAP server. Most of this won't mean crap for what your doing so skip to Section 3 and Section 4. This should handle getting your OSX server to automount /home from your Linux box. Since the tutorial was written for authenticating to a SMB/LDAP server I refer to LDAP server a lot, just ignore that and use the IP of your Linux box. Oh yeah, the standard if this breaks your server its not my fault disclaimer applies :-) Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 14:03:19 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:03:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5 to DES (for osx) In-Reply-To: <002801c587b3$6ab01eb0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002901c587b3$9fa47c60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Check out my tutorial for Authenticating OSX to a linux LDAP > server. It is a good thing I read my own posts. I'll quick send you the link to the tutorial, man I am an idiot! http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 13 14:11:06 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:11:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow Factor Message-ID: <20050713141106.25356.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 14:21:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:21:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] freeing dhcp addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c587b6$242c7c60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> -SNIP- range dynamic-bootp 172.16.103.100 172.16.103.253; Do I need to make changes in /etc/hosts to insure that only the thin clients get those addresses that are specified in "range dynamic-bootp"? -SNIP- As far as I know your /etc/hosts should contain a mapping of all possible workstation names to all possible Ips to be offered in the bootp range along with the name of your server. Here is an example below: 127.0.0.1 ltsp localhost.localdomain localhost 172.16.103.100 ws001.ltsp ws001 172.16.103.101 ws002.ltsp ws002 172.16.103.102 ws003.ltsp ws003 172.16.103.103 ws004.ltsp ws004 172.16.103.104 ws005.ltsp ws005 172.16.103.105 ws006.ltsp ws006 ***************************** ***************************** ***************************** 172.16.103.249 ws250.ltsp ws250 172.16.103.250 ws251.ltsp ws251 172.16.103.251 ws252.ltsp ws252 172.16.103.252 ws253.ltsp ws253 172.16.103.253 ws254.ltsp ws254 Serverip server.ltsp server And that should do it. Also, just because I have some personal issues, I'd bump your dhcp range to start at .101. That way the last digit if the IP will match the last digit of the machine names. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jul 13 14:35:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:35:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 at 9:45 PM +0000 wrote: >If anyone has any advice on how to handle laptop users in an environment >such as >this I'd love to hear it. As it is, I think not joining them to the >domain will >be the best answer. The laptops are often not connected to the network >and I >think this would be a nightmare for a laptop user. I think they would work >better as standalone units with just a shortcut to their server space to >perform manual backups from time to time when they are connected to our >network. They shouldn't have a great need for roaming profiles since they >have >the ability to take their computer with them. You're right....don't bother with roaming profiles for laptops...the whole need for roaming profiles is the ability to work at other machines with the same data....not an issue with laptops. It will frustrate the user in the end. Simply join the workgroup and that will aloww them access to most of what they need. I try to make things a little easier by putting shortcuts on the desktop to things like their Home folder so they can access their documents on the server, but that's about it. Great to hear about your deployment...hope you'll share that message with the ACTEM list and MSLN list as many people in ME are looking to do the same thing you have done. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 14:34:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:34:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <003001c587b8$05b46d90$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I'm writing this e-mail to the list to serve as a heads up to > other people who might be looking to make this switch in the > future. We switched from a Windows 2000 Active Directory > setup that has been in place for ~4 years. Thanks for the tips! I might use your roaming profile tweaks. I want to avoid the transfer of data files back and forth on login as well. I have had the same thoughts on laptops here as well. At least with Windows you have the option to let the roaming profile transfer locally when your offsite. But, most of our laptops are OSX, and I have no idea how to copy a roaming users profile to a local user for when they are offsite. So I will be setting up local accounts on the laptops and using shortcuts like you suggest to connect to the servers. I was even thinking of instead of full roaming just NFS or SMB mounting the /home/username folder on startup and pointing the shortcut to it. Not sure which way would be best. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 13 16:13:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:13:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rsync and NFS install questions Message-ID: <003201c587c5$d979c370$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . Just one quick stupid question here. After the first time I download the isos and checksum with the above command, all I have to do in the future is run the same command from within the same directory and my file will update with the newest version right? The reason I ask is it just doesn't make sense to me how rsync is going to know after 4.4.0-pre2 that it should update those files to just 4.4.0. Or do I have to rename the K12LTSP-4.4.0-pre2-discx.iso files to K12LTSP-4.4.0-discx.iso (or whatever the release file is named) before running the rsync command? Ah heck, while I am at it, once these are downloaded what do I have to do to be able to NFS install from them? Do I need to expand the ISO files somehow or just leave them as is. I know how to export the folder with NFS, just not what the files in the share should look like. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jul 13 16:22:47 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Rsync and NFS install questions In-Reply-To: <003201c587c5$d979c370$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050713162247.27782.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* > . > > Just one quick stupid question here. After the > first time I download > the isos and checksum with the above command, all I > have to do in the > future is run the same command from within the same > directory and my > file will update with the newest version right? > > The reason I ask is it just doesn't make sense to me > how rsync is going > to know after 4.4.0-pre2 that it should update those > files to just > 4.4.0. Or do I have to rename the > K12LTSP-4.4.0-pre2-discx.iso files to > K12LTSP-4.4.0-discx.iso (or whatever the release > file is named) before > running the rsync command? Rename the files > Ah heck, while I am at it, once these are downloaded > what do I have to > do to be able to NFS install from them? Do I need > to expand the ISO > files somehow or just leave them as is. I know how > to export the folder > with NFS, just not what the files in the share > should look like. > Just exporting the directory containing the isos is fine. If you want to do it via PXE or Etherboot you neet to mount the iso image and copy the correct files from disk one to your tftp directory. Then restart your dhcp server. I believe the correct files are in the isolinux directory... Tim From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 13 16:28:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:28:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rsync and NFS install questions In-Reply-To: <003201c587c5$d979c370$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003201c587c5$d979c370$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1121272122.31152.114.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 11:13, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > Just one quick stupid question here. After the first time I download > the isos and checksum with the above command, all I have to do in the > future is run the same command from within the same directory and my > file will update with the newest version right? You'll have to rename them - and change the rsync command to use the final location. If you run rsync k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:: with no destination you'll get a listing of available sources and you can keep adding them to the command line to walk down the directory trees (you must add a trailing / to get the contents). > Ah heck, while I am at it, once these are downloaded what do I have to > do to be able to NFS install from them? Do I need to expand the ISO > files somehow or just leave them as is. I know how to export the folder > with NFS, just not what the files in the share should look like. The .iso files are all you need - the installer is smart enough to do a loopback mount for you to find the contents. Just burn the first disk to boot, then type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt and pick NFS image. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jul 13 18:25:03 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:25:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - BackupPC Excludes not working Message-ID: <42D55C7F.5010509@snarlnet.com> Hi, Bimal's advice didn't seem to work for me. I have the following in my config file. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Add additional arguments here # '--one-file-system', '--exclude', '/var/spool/squid', '--exclude', 'slocated.db', '--exclude', '/proc', '--exclude', '/home/ckeil/secret', '--exclude', '/home/www/k12ltsp', '--exclude', '/lost+found', ]; and I have this up above it a ways: $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = ['/proc', '/var/spool/squid','slocate.db', '/home/ckeil/secret', '/home/www/k12ltsp']; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "/proc" isn't backing up, but the /home stuff is. Could this have something to do with /home being on a different drive-partition? What's the proper syntax here? Could someone run through the steps to adding a Winblows computer to my backup list? Thanks, ck From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jul 13 20:05:52 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:05:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT - BackupPC Excludes not working - NEVERMIND Message-ID: <42D57420.2070307@snarlnet.com> Nevermind. I got it. Removing the /home from the front of those two entries in my /home directory did the trick. From m3freak at rogers.com Wed Jul 13 21:08:34 2005 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow Factor In-Reply-To: <20050713141106.25356.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20050713141106.25356.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1121288914.7036.52.camel@krs> On Wed, 2005-13-07 at 07:11 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Have you taken a look at Egroupware??? This is a fantastic > collaboration program. We are using this as a tool for our faculty > and also as a Trouble Ticket program for computer support. We use Request Tracker for our ticket system. IMHO, there isn't anything else in the F/OSS space that is any better: RT is simply amazing. It might look like overkill, but it isn't! :) Check it out: www.bestpractical.com There's a live demo of the latest code, here: rt3.fsck.com Login with "guest" for user name and password. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Wed Jul 13 21:19:03 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:19:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newsreder for k12osn Message-ID: <200507132119.j6DLJ1ob002406@mx3.redhat.com> Is there a way to use a newsreader for k12osn? Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 13 21:22:59 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:22:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow Factor Message-ID: <20050713212259.30808.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 13 21:30:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:30:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow Factor In-Reply-To: <1121288914.7036.52.camel@krs> References: <20050713141106.25356.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1121288914.7036.52.camel@krs> Message-ID: <1121290225.31152.154.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 16:08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > We use Request Tracker for our ticket system. IMHO, there isn't > anything else in the F/OSS space that is any better: RT is simply > amazing. It might look like overkill, but it isn't! :) > > Check it out: www.bestpractical.com I have to agree with this, but installing it is not for the faint of heart. Probably the least painful way is to start with Centos4 (or K12LTSP-4.2.1EL) which will include mysql 4.x and follow the instructions on their wiki for RHEL4. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Wed Jul 13 22:44:37 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:44:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Compaq Deskpro Message-ID: <200507132244.j6DMiYlj018066@mx3.redhat.com> I have dutifully searched the internet for the process of making the sound card on a client computer work and I am still sort of lost. Do we assume that with the 4.2 distribution that the sound server is loaded and running as a default? I get sound at the server. I am using six Compaq Deskpro DPEND P450+ machines that have onboard something called Creative Labs Soundblaster Audio PCI 128. I have configured the lts.conf to: SOUND = "Y" SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" When the client boots it accepts the configuration. But sound does not seem to work. Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jul 13 23:39:16 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:39:16 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Compaq Deskpro In-Reply-To: <200507132244.j6DMiYlj018066@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200507132244.j6DMiYlj018066@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42D5A624.5080908@rogers.com> Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > I am using six Compaq Deskpro DPEND P450+ machines that have onboard > something called Creative Labs Soundblaster Audio PCI 128. > > > > I have configured the lts.conf to: > > > > SOUND = ?Y? > > SOUND_DAEMON = ?nasd? > > SMODULE_01 = ?sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1? With some Compaqs that I have, I had to change the Bios IRQ to 9 and update the lts.conf accordingly. Tim From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Thu Jul 14 00:41:16 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:41:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Sound Compaq Deskpro Message-ID: <200507140041.j6E0fC2X002931@mx3.redhat.com> I changed the bios IRQ to 9 and the same thing happens. The boot dialog says Running Sound Server Soundblaster audio driver Copyright SB 3.01 Detected OK (220) ESS chip ES1869 detected rc.sysint completed, switching to multi session mode But when I try to bring up the volume control I get a "no devices present" message. Thanks, Robert _____ From: Robert E. Gomberg [mailto:robertgomberg at huntingworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:45 PM To: 'k12osn at redhat.com' Subject: Sound Compaq Deskpro I have dutifully searched the internet for the process of making the sound card on a client computer work and I am still sort of lost. Do we assume that with the 4.2 distribution that the sound server is loaded and running as a default? I get sound at the server. I am using six Compaq Deskpro DPEND P450+ machines that have onboard something called Creative Labs Soundblaster Audio PCI 128. I have configured the lts.conf to: SOUND = "Y" SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" When the client boots it accepts the configuration. But sound does not seem to work. Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 14 01:08:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:08:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch Message-ID: <200507140315.j6E3FFf06985@downeast.net> i use somethin calles automountmaker for osx to create network shares tolinux for the lexia installs...chuck > > I'm writing this e-mail to the list to serve as a heads up to > > other people who might be looking to make this switch in the > > future. We switched from a Windows 2000 Active Directory > > setup that has been in place for ~4 years. > > Thanks for the tips! I might use your roaming profile tweaks. I want > to avoid the transfer of data files back and forth on login as well. > > I have had the same thoughts on laptops here as well. At least with > Windows you have the option to let the roaming profile transfer locally > when your offsite. But, most of our laptops are OSX, and I have no idea > how to copy a roaming users profile to a local user for when they are > offsite. So I will be setting up local accounts on the laptops and > using shortcuts like you suggest to connect to the servers. I was even > thinking of instead of full roaming just NFS or SMB mounting the > /home/username folder on startup and pointing the shortcut to it. Not > sure which way would be best. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Thu Jul 14 03:49:26 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:49:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Compaq Deskpro In-Reply-To: <200507132244.j6DMiYlj018066@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200507132244.j6DMiYlj018066@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42D5E0C6.7080001@shaw.ca> Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > I have dutifully searched the internet for the process of making the > sound card on a client computer work and I am still sort of lost. > > Do we assume that with the 4.2 distribution that the sound server is > loaded and running as a default? > > I get sound at the server. > > I am using six Compaq Deskpro DPEND P450+ machines that have onboard > something called Creative Labs Soundblaster Audio PCI 128. > > I have configured the lts.conf to: > > SOUND = ?Y? > > SOUND_DAEMON = ?nasd? > > SMODULE_01 = ?sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1? > > When the client boots it accepts the configuration. > > But sound does not seem to work. > > Thanks, Robert > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > i just discovered that changing it to sound_daemon="esd" worked for me and my dell optiplex gx1's with a crystal chipset onboard sound I also had to change the dma=1 to dma=0 From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Thu Jul 14 12:10:47 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:10:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarks In-Reply-To: <8ae10c10050707160220bf2e58@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ae10c10050707160220bf2e58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1121343045.3952.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 01:02, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > I saw in a previous message something about benchmarks. > Does anyone have a link to these benchmarks? I'm looking for relevant benchmarks too. > This info could be very usefull in setting up labs. > > I used to have a lab(not setup by me) that ran 5 computers off of one > 450 mhz server. > This lab was used by kids all the time so most of the computers were > being used, and if still seemed very functional. I'v been running up to 5 clients off a 700Mz celeron and a 1GHz VIA Nehemiah (both with 400-500 Mb RAM) via good results i general. Now I've got hold of a couple of old dual P2-400 servers witch I'm planing to use as ltsp servers, but it would be nice to have som benchmarks to compare them from an objective point of view. Benchmarks for testing file/mail/web-servers is also of interess. Of cource my results will be posted online, so others can use them ;-) -- Henning Wangerin From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 14 13:26:56 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:26:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarks In-Reply-To: <1121343045.3952.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <8ae10c10050707160220bf2e58@mail.gmail.com> <1121343045.3952.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1121347616.1022.9.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 14:10 +0200, Henning Wangerin wrote: > > Now I've got hold of a couple of old dual P2-400 servers witch I'm > planing to use as ltsp servers, but it would be nice to have som > benchmarks to compare them from an objective point of view. > We have a few quad P2-500's with 3 GB ram. When inquired about them and K12, here's how it was explained to me. You can run many processes but only at 500 mhz. Use 'em for a file server or mail server. From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 14 13:50:31 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:50:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: <1121347616.1022.9.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <348166914.1121334631@[10.2.1.193]> Hi, I am getting on my workstations... Doing the pivot_root e100: eth0 NIC link is up 100 mbps full duplexx nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying. The last time I had this error, it was a terrible patch cable ( makes sense ) On a basic install of 4.4p? - no changes but a 10 dot ip on eth1. Workstations DCHP, all the stuff for NFS seems to be running (nfsd, portmap, and mountd). The workstations are PXE 2.0 or above. One is an on-board intel using the e100 driver and the other is a 3com 905TXM card and I get the same error ( thought it was a shared IRQ issue ) Grabbed my running 4.2 k12LTSP and connected to the same switch, same cables and same two workstations and they boot right up like they always do ? Thanks in advance, Tom From lists at misato.us Thu Jul 14 14:44:11 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:44:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wow Factor In-Reply-To: <1121290225.31152.154.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050713141106.25356.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1121288914.7036.52.camel@krs> <1121290225.31152.154.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42D67A3B.7090307@misato.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 16:08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > > > >>We use Request Tracker for our ticket system. IMHO, there isn't >>anything else in the F/OSS space that is any better: RT is simply >>amazing. It might look like overkill, but it isn't! :) >> >>Check it out: www.bestpractical.com >> >> > >I have to agree with this, but installing it is not for the faint >of heart. Probably the least painful way is to start with >Centos4 (or K12LTSP-4.2.1EL) which will include mysql 4.x and >follow the instructions on their wiki for RHEL4. > > > > If you want something powerful but easier... I've really loved using mantisbt (mantisbt.sf.net) Jason From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 14 14:49:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:49:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Unsupported Kernel Version Message-ID: <000001c58883$3a58f950$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I need to install the kernel-unsupported onto a WBEL3 server. From what I have read about RHEL3 I need to install the kernel-unsupported to be able to enable the appletalk module. It looks like I need to run "yum install kernel-unsupported", which I have done, then run the following command: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install I have done so with /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.4.21-27.0.4.Elsmp and get the following errors: depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/.appletalk.o.flags is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/.depend is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/Config.in is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/Makefile is not an ELF file depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/appletalk.o depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/cops.c is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/cops.h is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/cops_ffdrv.h is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/cops_ltdrv.h is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/ipddp.c is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/ipddp.h is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/ltpc.c is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp/kernel/net/appletalk/ltpc.h is not an ELF file Nothing personal to anyone here, but I don't give a crap about ELF's, let them make toys for Santa and leave me alone. So seriously, any idea what is causing this? Also, say I successfully installed a new kernel like 2.4.21-32. How do I change the default kernel to boot from remotely via ssh? It looks like the standard way is to choose it from grub on startup, but I can't do that from acroos town. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 7/14/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 14 14:53:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:53:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Unsupported Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <000001c58883$3a58f950$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000101c58883$dd0cbce0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Also, say I successfully installed a new kernel like > 2.4.21-32. How do I change the default kernel to boot from > remotely via ssh? It looks like the standard way is to > choose it from grub on startup, but I can't do that from acroos town. It looks like the command "grubby" along with the correct syntax following will work. Do I simply yum update then "grubby --make-default"? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 7/14/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 14 14:59:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Unsupported Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <000101c58883$dd0cbce0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000201c58884$a1072db0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > > Also, say I successfully installed a new kernel like > > 2.4.21-32. How do I change the default kernel to boot from > > remotely via ssh? It looks like the standard way is to > > choose it from grub on startup, but I can't do that from > acroos town. > > It looks like the command "grubby" along with the correct > syntax following will work. Do I simply yum update then > "grubby --make-default"? Or would I be better off with "grubby --set-default=kernel-path"? If so, what is the correct syntax for kernel-path? Would "grubby --set-default=/vmlinuz-2.4.21-27.0.4.ELsmp" be a legitimate path? (providing that kernel actually exists in /boot) Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 7/14/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 14 15:33:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:33:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Unsupported Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <000001c58883$3a58f950$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c58883$3a58f950$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1121355205.15110.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 09:49, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Also, say I successfully installed a new kernel like 2.4.21-32. How do > I change the default kernel to boot from remotely via ssh? It looks > like the standard way is to choose it from grub on startup, but I can't > do that from acroos town. Usually yum does that for you when it notices that it is installing a new kernel. Look at /etc/grub.conf to see what the default= line says. This is all you have to change to specify which kernel boots automatically after the timeout. Numbering starts from 0 at the top of the list - the rest is pretty obvious. Grub loads in stages and is able to read the config file during boot so unlike lilo, you don't have to do anything else after making a change. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 14 15:43:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:43:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: <348166914.1121334631@[10.2.1.193]> References: <348166914.1121334631@[10.2.1.193]> Message-ID: <42D68821.7070603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > Hi, > I am getting on my workstations... > > Doing the pivot_root > e100: eth0 NIC link is up 100 mbps full duplexx > nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying. > > The last time I had this error, it was a terrible patch cable ( makes > sense ) > On a basic install of 4.4p? - no changes but a 10 dot ip on eth1. > Workstations DCHP, all the stuff for NFS seems to be running (nfsd, > portmap, and mountd). The workstations are PXE 2.0 or above. One is an > on-board intel using the e100 driver and the other is a 3com 905TXM card > and I get the same error ( thought it was a shared IRQ issue ) Grabbed > my running 4.2 k12LTSP and connected to the same switch, same cables and > same two workstations and they boot right up like they always do ? > Thanks in advance, > Tom > Here are a couple of things to check: 1) what do the logs say? /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/audit/audit.log 2) is this a default install with eth0 at 192.168.0.254? 3) is /opt/ltsp/i386 exported via NFS? # exportfs /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and other similar lines) 4) try running this command and see if the problem goes away: # echo 0 > /selinux/enforce -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Jul 14 16:21:07 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] Kiosk extension to firefox] Message-ID: <1121358067.20593.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just a follow up. I got some emails from some who have clicked on the link below and been taken to a Firefox update page. This extension is for Firefox version 1.0 and greater. If you have an older version, you may be redirected to an update page instead. If you have Firefox 1.0 and are still being redirected, you may try going to the "Get Extensions" page from your browser Extension window and go to the Kiosk Browsing category. If you're in the right place, you'll see an extension written "By Jevin Ramjattan". That's the one. Hope that helps, -Gadi -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gideon Romm Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosk extension to firefox Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:45:24 -0400 Size: 4176 URL: From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 14 16:23:05 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:23:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: <20050714155410.71273.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <357321284.1121343785@[10.2.1.193]> Thanks Eric and Tim, Issue - stupid switch :) I changed switches from an amer.com 2r24g2 24 (1000/100/10 non-managed ) to a slower 100 mb switch and k12ltsp works as usual. I am still going to go through the tips you gave me Eric with the bad switch and I will post me findings to help others. I am very curious about this...my k12ltsp 4.2 server (very close hardware wise IBM x205 ) worked on the bad switch but using the x206 and 4.4 no go I get the nfs issue. I am going to get another switch with gig uplink ports to 10/100 and see how that goes. I will post my findings later today. LTSP is beautiful thing. Thanks again, Tom Ventresco From lists at misato.us Thu Jul 14 16:24:02 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] Kiosk extension to firefox] In-Reply-To: <1121358067.20593.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1121358067.20593.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42D691A2.5010506@misato.us> Gideon Romm wrote: >Just a follow up. I got some emails from some who have clicked on the >link below and been taken to a Firefox update page. > >This extension is for Firefox version 1.0 and greater. If you have an >older version, you may be redirected to an update page instead. > > If you are not running firefox 1.0.4 you really need to upgrade as soon as possible. There are security vulnerabilities that you need to upgrade for. Jason From mwebb at addisonboot.com Thu Jul 14 16:35:05 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:35:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer Message-ID: <42D69439.9090608@addisonboot.com> okay i have k12ltsp setup pretty much the way i want it, i've made a lot of little tweaks here and there. now i would like to place the same system on another computer. Whats the best way to go about that? could i maybe piggyback another harddisk onto my current server and copy the files over from the old drive to the new drive then place the new drive in the new computer ??? From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jul 14 16:52:59 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: <357321284.1121343785@[10.2.1.193]> References: <357321284.1121343785@[10.2.1.193]> Message-ID: Tom, Are your problem clients 10mbit ? Take a look at this wiki article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > Thanks Eric and Tim, > Issue - stupid switch :) I changed switches from an amer.com 2r24g2 24 > (1000/100/10 non-managed ) to a slower 100 mb switch and k12ltsp works as > usual. I am still going to go through the tips you gave me Eric with the bad > switch and I will post me findings to help others. I am very curious about > this...my k12ltsp 4.2 server (very close hardware wise IBM x205 ) worked on > the bad switch but using the x206 and 4.4 no go I get the nfs issue. > > I am going to get another switch with gig uplink ports to 10/100 and see how > that goes. I will post my findings later today. > > LTSP is beautiful thing. > > Thanks again, > Tom Ventresco > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 14 17:08:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:08:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <42D69439.9090608@addisonboot.com> References: <42D69439.9090608@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1121360912.15110.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 11:35, mike webb wrote: > okay i have k12ltsp setup pretty much the way i want it, i've made a lot > of little tweaks here and there. now i would like to place the same > system on another computer. Whats the best way to go about that? could i > maybe piggyback another harddisk onto my current server and copy the > files over from the old drive to the new drive then place the new drive > in the new computer ??? If the 2nd system is exactly the same hardware-wise and the disks are identical, you can connect the new disk, boot from your install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt and: dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/yyy where xxx is the name of the existing disk (sda for scsi, hd something for IDE, depending on connector location) and yyy is the new drive. Be careful to get the names right... This will take a long time, so go do something else while it copies. This method takes all the partitioning information along so the drive should come up working in the new machine - you will only have to run system-config-network to fix the name and IP address. If the target disk or machine is different, you can still make a copy but the technique is a little more complicated. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 17:14:13 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:14:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <1121360912.15110.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <42D69439.9090608@addisonboot.com> <1121360912.15110.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80507141014209a0d8@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > so the drive should come up working in the new machine - you will > only have to run system-config-network to fix the name and IP address. If it's a redhat distro, you should run the rhn_register script again also. From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 14 17:27:00 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:27:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <361156184.1121347620@[10.2.1.193]> > Are your problem clients 10mbit ? > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding Hi Jim, Quick answer no these clients are 100 and full duplex. These clients are 2 machines types Dell L400c 810 Intel boards (?) with 100mb (onboard) NIC booting with PXE 2.0. The other machines are Gateway intel 815 boards maybe with 3Com905txm (100) and boot via PXE 2.02. I am on that wiki post now. That is good news and it makes sense. This is occuring on a switch with 8 Gig of backplane bandwidth down to 100MB nics. I can reproduce the error everytime now. I will post my finding later. I am gathering information, but that wiki post says it all. Many thanks, Tom Ventresco From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu Jul 14 18:06:56 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:06:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP/Samba users copy to SME Box? Message-ID: I am planning on using my sme firewall to do authenticating to allow internet access. My question is rather than duplicating the users I already have on the ldap/samba server can I just copy the users and passwords over to the sme box?? If so, where would this file be on the ldap/samba server?? Thanks for any help. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 14 21:13:14 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:13:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Chnaging IP Hosed My System Message-ID: <42D6D56A.9050700@honeygroveisd.net> I need some help here. I set up my new Samba/LDAP system with a "temporary" IP address so that I could leave the original PDC in place as long as possible. Now when I change the IP address of the machine none of the Samba stuff works any more. I'm sure there's a config file somewhere I need to change. I'm not changing subnets or anything like that, just the IP address. Any help would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Hugh "Ward Cleaver" Beaumont was an ordained minister. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 14 21:22:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:22:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP/Samba users copy to SME Box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 2:06 PM +0000 wrote: >I am planning on using my sme firewall to do authenticating to allow >internet access. My question is rather than duplicating the users I >already have on the ldap/samba server can I just copy the users and >passwords over to the sme box?? If so, where would this file be on the >ldap/samba server?? Thanks for any help. Short answer is no....you can't simply copy...but you can use the same list that you used to generate the usernames and passwords on the Samba/LDAP server to do the same on the SME server. You may have to manipulate the data a little, but it's a matter of reorganizing that's all. Use the batch users file from here http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/loveless/SMEServer/contribs/batch_users/ follow the directions in the README David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 14 23:35:42 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:35:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pesky GPG Key thing. . . Message-ID: How the heqq do you fix that danged pesky gpg key thing in Fedora Core 1? I have a server that won't run what I need it to run with the newer versions on it so I went back to FC1 and it works. But apt won't work right because it says the keys or wrong or some crap. This is always a problem for me. . .Is it just me or is it always a problem? Thanks P.S. I can manually go into the /var/cache/apt/archives directory and install the RPMs it has in there but that is a pain. And it warns about the key that way, too, even though it still installs the stuff. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri Jul 15 03:32:13 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:32:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? Message-ID: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> not to rush someone who is obviously busy, and doing a wonderful job, but any idea when the final version of either the el or the core4 is going to be out I want to start loading my server soon by the way, if I wipe and reload virtually every summer, is there any particular advantage to el over core4 version? and does the el version come with ktouch/other educational games? thanks so much. Sorry for being a pain From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jul 15 11:59:49 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:59:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> References: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would say that you'd probably be better off with your user authentication and NFS /home on EL. (I wouldn't want to have to rebuild this every summer) But the LTSP only servers will probably be better with the FC setup simply because your apps will be more up to date. On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > not to rush someone who is obviously busy, and doing a wonderful > job, but any idea when the final version of either the el or the > core4 is going to be out > I want to start loading my server soon > > by the way, if I wipe and reload virtually every summer, is there > any particular advantage to el over core4 version? > > and does the el version come with ktouch/other educational games? > > thanks so much. Sorry for being a pain > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLXpTUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQHAgCfc8lQSi7MJwwmKBNUHV38MMqV zAcAn1H3mswbm2F45bXqCJcxuyEYtahX =VAAY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Fri Jul 15 13:08:18 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:08:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue Message-ID: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Our newly installed SMB/LDAP server seems to be having trouble getting the group information out to the windows clients. For instance if I add a user to the "Domain Admins" group the user doesn't necessarily get Domain Admin rights at the windows boxes. I am a member of that group and it works for me. However I add the boss to that group and he doesn't pick it up on Windows. Same goes for a group we have called Staff. It works for most ppl but a person we added yesterday is not picking those permissions up on the Windows clients. Any thoughts? Thanks, -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Jul 15 14:04:39 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:04:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue In-Reply-To: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> Jason Ingalls wrote: >Our newly installed SMB/LDAP server seems to be having trouble getting the group >information out to the windows clients. For instance if I add a user to the >"Domain Admins" group the user doesn't necessarily get Domain Admin rights at >the windows boxes. I am a member of that group and it works for me. However I >add the boss to that group and he doesn't pick it up on Windows. Same goes for >a group we have called Staff. It works for most ppl but a person we added >yesterday is not picking those permissions up on the Windows clients. > >Any thoughts? > >Thanks, > > > Basics: What does the directory entry for the group look like (was the membership correctly added)? And how about differences between entries - e.g. yours and your boss'? Do they have the same attributes and objectclasses? If other Windows authorizations of their authenticated ID work fine then this is probably not the problem. More typical Windows ACL issues: When you say it doesn't work on Windows clients - could the failing authorization be due to the other person's ID or a group of which they are a member being explicitly denied by another entry in the ACL? Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Fri Jul 15 14:21:37 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue In-Reply-To: <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> References: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> Message-ID: <20050715102137.6gm97u0v10sok48w@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> My account and my boss's account are a spot on match (including primary/secondary group memberships). A few minutes ago we just noticed that everything started working. My account lost admin privs (we took it out of the group this morning) and my boss started working. As soon as I added my account back into Domain Admins I immediately had admin rights (seemingly ruling out some soft of propigation delay). So right now everything appears to be working normally... but I'm unsure if the problem will reappear. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting "Christopher K. Johnson" : > Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> Our newly installed SMB/LDAP server seems to be having trouble >> getting the group >> information out to the windows clients. For instance if I add a user to the >> "Domain Admins" group the user doesn't necessarily get Domain Admin >> rights at >> the windows boxes. I am a member of that group and it works for me. >> However I >> add the boss to that group and he doesn't pick it up on Windows. >> Same goes for >> a group we have called Staff. It works for most ppl but a person we added >> yesterday is not picking those permissions up on the Windows clients. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks, >> >> > Basics: > What does the directory entry for the group look like (was the > membership correctly added)? > And how about differences between entries - e.g. yours and your > boss'? Do they have the same attributes and objectclasses? If other > Windows authorizations of their authenticated ID work fine then this > is probably not the problem. > > More typical Windows ACL issues: > When you say it doesn't work on Windows clients - could the failing > authorization be due to the other person's ID or a group of which > they are a member being explicitly denied by another entry in the ACL? > > Chris > -- > > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 15 15:03:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue In-Reply-To: <20050715102137.6gm97u0v10sok48w@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> References: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> < > <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> <20050715102137.6gm97u0v10sok48w@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 15, 2005 at 10:21 AM +0000 wrote: >My account and my boss's account are a spot on match (including >primary/secondary group memberships). > >A few minutes ago we just noticed that everything started working. My >account >lost admin privs (we took it out of the group this morning) and my boss >started >working. As soon as I added my account back into Domain Admins I >immediately had >admin rights (seemingly ruling out some soft of propigation delay). So >right now >everything appears to be working normally... but I'm unsure if the >problem will >reappear. I've often found that some things in LDAP require a reboot to intialize....why? I have no idea...Matt and I chewed on this for a while, but it worked after reboot...so ..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From moquist at majen.net Fri Jul 15 16:48:26 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:48:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP Groups Issue (David Trask) In-Reply-To: <20050715160030.42AEC73FB3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050715160030.42AEC73FB3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050715164825.GD13626@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:57 -0400 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue > > I've often found that some things in LDAP require a reboot to > intialize....why? I have no idea...Matt and I chewed on this for a while, > but it worked after reboot...so ..... I believe that PAM needs to be reinitialized after the PAM configuration has changed, and that's why a new LDAP server system needs to reboot before it can authenticate to its own LDAP server. Surely there's a way to reinitialize PAM without rebooting, but I don't know what it is. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So > right now > everything appears to be working normally... but I'm unsure if the > problem will > reappear. Are you running nscd (name service caching daemon)? I've seen it cause similar problems even with local passwd/group file changes. I run it to reduce the traffic on a backend smb authentication and have to 'service nscd restart' to make changes take effect immediately. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mwebb at addisonboot.com Fri Jul 15 18:08:28 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer Message-ID: <42D7FB9C.8070204@addisonboot.com> neither the computer or the hard disk will be the same in the new computer, both will be better.the instuctions so far are as so: 1. piggy back the new hard disk into the computer as a "slave" 2. insert install cd and type "linux rescue" at the boot prompt (without quotes). 3. my old hard disk is hda1, my new harddisk will be hda2, so type "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2" (without quotes). 4. drink a six pack :) 5. after dd is finshed reboot 6. run system-config-network from a terminal to change name and ip address. i think i can handle that so far but i don't think it will work on a hard disk that not the same size because of the partion info. could you please explain further how to copy the system to a new computer if the computer and harddisk are different??? From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 15 18:28:03 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:28:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms and realplay from cl Message-ID: <1121452083.13911.69.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Hello, I have been tinkering with sound and found the following interesting. If I launch xmms or realplay from the command line they play just fine. But if I launch them from the menu I get the "Could not open Audio. Check your settings" message box. I am using a Term 150 at the moment and K12LTSP release 4.2.1-6 and gnome. John From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 15 22:08:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <42D7FB9C.8070204@addisonboot.com> References: <42D7FB9C.8070204@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1121465290.3493.195.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 13:08, mike webb wrote: > neither the computer or the hard disk will be the same in the new > computer, both will be better.the instuctions so far are as so: > 1. piggy back the new hard disk into the computer as a "slave" > 2. insert install cd and type "linux rescue" at the boot prompt (without > quotes). > 3. my old hard disk is hda1, my new harddisk will be hda2, so type "dd > if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2" (without quotes). No, the number at the end indicates a partition, for IDE drives the letter matches the controller/connector: hda is the primary drive on the first connector, hdb is the secondary drive on the same cable, hdc is the primary drive on the 2nd controller, hdd the second drive on the 2nd cable. Note that you may get away with leaving the drive's jumpers set to 'cable select' on either connector or you may have to change to match it's primary or secondary position. In this mode you omit the partition number because you want the whole drive, something like if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc. Scsi drives are named in the order detected so the first is /dev/sda, the next sdb, etc. which will be in increasing drive select numbers within a controller but not necessarily tied to cable position. > 4. drink a six pack :) > 5. after dd is finshed reboot You left out moving the disk to the other machine... Also, don't connect to the network yet because you'll have an IP conflict. > 6. run system-config-network from a terminal to change name and ip address. > i think i can handle that so far but i don't think it will work on a > hard disk that not the same size because of the partion info. could you > please explain further how to copy the system to a new computer if the > computer and harddisk are different??? OK, now you are talking about real work because you have to make some decisions about partition sizes, etc. You can do this either in rescue mode or live. Rescue mode is probably safer but I've never had a problem duplicating a running system with a file-based copy which is what you need when changing partition sizes. But first, does your existing system use LVM? I haven't moved one of those. If it isn't, I can go through the steps to create new partitions and filesystems, copy over, and make it bootable. If the command 'lvm vgdisplay' shows a volume group you have LVM. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 15 22:53:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:53:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1EL pre-release #3 Message-ID: <42D83E62.6080508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> CentOS has a new point-release. There were so many packages updated (~250) that it makes sense to put out one more pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. The only change, besides the ton-o-centos-updates, is the "Get Additional Software" like for Acrobat Reader should now work properly for installing Acrobat 7. Give this puppy a spin & let us know if you find breakage: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Jul 15 23:22:26 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:22:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to NFS mount /home Message-ID: <42D84532.9020004@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Once again I come seeking wisdom. I've managed to get my Samba/LDAP server up and running, although I never quite figured out the whole IP-address-change-hosing-the-user-authentication thing. I did come up with a work-around that's doing the job in the mean time. Now I've turned my attention to wiping my existing K12LTSP server and installing the latest version. I've got the server set up and hosting clients, but I can't seem to get my head around the concepts necessary to NFS mount /home. When I ran Matt's smb-ldap script on my new primary server I told it to NFS export /home, but I don't know how to tell my new K12LTSP server to make use of that export. I did manage to join the domain at one point and log in as a user but I got an error message telling me that the system couldn't find /home/myusername. Can someone point me to a (preferably brain-dead simple) how-to on the subject? Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Bob Dylan's real name is Robert Zimmerman. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 16 00:35:57 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:35:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to NFS mount /home In-Reply-To: <42D84532.9020004@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42D84532.9020004@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121474157.16328.9.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 18:22 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: snip --> > I can't seem to get my head around the concepts necessary to NFS mount > /home. When I ran Matt's smb-ldap script on my new primary server I > told it to NFS export /home, but I don't know how to tell my new K12LTSP > server to make use of that export. I did manage to join the domain at > one point and log in as a user but I got an error message telling me > that the system couldn't find /home/myusername. Can someone point me to > a (preferably brain-dead simple) how-to on the subject? Thanks in advance. > Mark, I cut the following from David Trasks instructions for smb/LDAP http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ " add a a line similar to the following to fstab? 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 " Replace the 10.0.0.234 ip with the ip of your server then then as root# mount /home or reboot hth, John From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Jul 16 03:14:53 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:14:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to NFS mount /home Message-ID: <42D87BAD.80509@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Mark, I cut the following from David Trasks instructions for smb/LDAP >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > >" add a a line similar to the following to fstab? >10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 " > > > >Replace the 10.0.0.234 ip with the ip of your server then >then as root# mount /home > >or reboot > >hth, > >John > John, I must have read that entire document ten times or more. I guess the meaning of that section never made its way through my thick skull. Thanks, now I just need to remember how I got the domain authentication working. I seem to have broken it again. ;) -- C-ya, Mark ____ College is a fountain of knowledge... and students are there to drink. From mwebb at addisonboot.com Sat Jul 16 16:56:19 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:56:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer Message-ID: <42D93C33.20802@addisonboot.com> the command lvm vgdisplay returns "no volume groups found" thanks for the primer on how the hard drives are named. 1. piggy back the new hard disk into the computer as a "slave" or use cable select the new disk will need to be in the secondary positon and the old disk needs to have its jumper set for cable select and be in the primary position. 2. insert install cd and type "linux rescue" at the boot prompt (without quotes). 3. my old hard disk is hda, my new harddisk will be hdb, so type "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" (without quotes). 4. after dd is finshed shutdown and remove the new hard disk from the computer and place it in your new computer do not connect to the network yet. 5. turn on computer and run system-config-network from a terminal to change name and ip address. 6. shutdown computer, insert network cable and reboot. i'm ready for the rest of the story. fyi i'm using k12ltsp 4.1 i think i'm going to want to end up with 2 partions on my new drive, the primary and the swap, thats all i have on my old drive. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jul 16 19:54:50 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:54:50 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue Message-ID: <200507162201.j6GM1UG26850@downeast.net> something like this should add all eisting Staff users to Staff..any thoughts how many diffewrent groups would need to have users added??? chuck #!/bin/bash #ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -b "ou=Staff,ou=People,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org" -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org" -w "St3rnm4n" -s sub "(objectClass=sambaSamAccount)" | grep gecos > /root/ld #this searches the staff are for users and sends results to /root/ld2 ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -b "ou=Staff,ou=People,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org" -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org" -w "ourpw" -s sub "(objectClass=sambaSamAccount)" | grep sn | cut -f2 -d ":" >ld2 #this stars with existing Staff ldif and add all users from ld2 cat <> ld4.ldif dn: cn=Staff, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2050 cat << EOF >> /root/ld4.ldif gidNumber: 2050 memberUid: dsearchfield memberUid: krichter memberUid: abatson memberUid: blong memberUid: csargent memberUid: taustin memberUid: lfuller memberUid: bhomich memberUid: hcasey memberUid: jnewett memberUid: lcartwright memberUid: mdayton memberUid: kmckenney memberUid: lrudolph sambaGroupType: 2 objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: sambaGroupMapping cn: Staff EOF cat /root/ld2|while read item ; do echo "memberUid: $item > ld4.ldif done ldapadd -x h localhost -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org" -w "ourpw" -f /root/ld4.ldif --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ssanders at coin.org Sat Jul 16 23:15:12 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:15:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copying mail, but keeping new Evolution/spamassassin settings? In-Reply-To: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1121555712.13679.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi all, i did a 4.2.1 fresh install, then FTPed /home directories over, as well as /etc/groups (i had recreated the users on the new install). on the fresh install, spamassassin was working agressively, ready to be taught. the old /home directories had a very old, manually installed/configured spamassassin, long before K12OSN. it had not been working very well, hence the desire to have a fresh install. i did not overwrite .spamassassin, in an effort to keep the new stuff there. however, it is not flagging stuff agressively as it was. any suggestions? From ssanders at coin.org Sat Jul 16 23:19:09 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:19:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] spamassassin In-Reply-To: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1121555950.13679.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> i was not clear on one thing, i was upgrading from a 4.2.0 install, that had only been upgraded since 3.1.x i wanted a fresh install, *then* i was copying home directories over via FTP. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Jul 16 23:46:29 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:46:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I update webalizer initial page? Message-ID: <42D99C55.2080204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> It seems my webalizer updates all the statistics properly,but the first page when you type in http://www.website.com/usage is out of date. It only has a few months from last year in it. I can then manually type in the http://www.website.com/usage/usage_200507.html and get the proper page. There must some script to compile all these pages in to one front index page. poking around the internet and looking for a script to run on the server ... I am missing it. Please someone direct me in the right way. I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 Joe Guenther From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun Jul 17 00:01:11 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:01:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I update webalizer initial page? In-Reply-To: <42D99C55.2080204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42D99C55.2080204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <42D99FC7.10806@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Ok, ignore the sniffle ... sorry I figured out what was happening ... it was saving the new file as index.html and the old file index.htm was being read. So I changed the webalizer.conf to write a file with .htm instead of .html Isn't always that way ... just after you buy a new tool, you find the old one. And the time between finding the tool and having bought the new one is proportinal to the cost of the tool .... the more expensive the tool you just bought, the sooner before you find the old one. Just after posting a plea for help, you find the solution. Joe Joe Guenther wrote: > It seems my webalizer updates all the statistics properly,but the > first page when you type in http://www.website.com/usage is out of > date. It only has a few months from last year in it. I can then > manually type in the http://www.website.com/usage/usage_200507.html > and get the proper page. There must some script to compile all these > pages in to one front index page. > > poking around the internet and looking for a script to run on the > server ... I am missing it. Please someone direct me in the right > way. I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 > > Joe Guenther > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:42d99b78193221984192208! > From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 17 20:33:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:33:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <42D93C33.20802@addisonboot.com> References: <42D93C33.20802@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1121632380.3856.81.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 11:56, mike webb wrote: > the command lvm vgdisplay returns "no volume groups found" thanks for > the primer on how the hard drives are named. > > 1. piggy back the new hard disk into the computer as a "slave" or use cable select > the new disk will need to be in the secondary positon and the old disk needs to have its jumper set for > cable select and be in the primary position. > 2. insert install cd and type "linux rescue" at the boot prompt (without quotes). > 3. my old hard disk is hda, my new harddisk will be hdb, so type "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" (without quotes). > > 4. after dd is finshed shutdown and remove the new hard disk from the > computer and place it in your new computer do not connect to the network > yet. > 5. turn on computer and run system-config-network from a terminal to > change name and ip address. > 6. shutdown computer, insert network cable and reboot. > > i'm ready for the rest of the story. fyi i'm using k12ltsp 4.1 i think > i'm going to want to end up with 2 partions on my new drive, the primary > and the swap, thats all i have on my old drive. OK, the general idea here is to fdisk matching or larger partitions on the new disk, make file systems, mount them in a temporary spot, copy the existing files over and install a boot loader. There are a lot of ways this can be done, so don't be afraid to try something different. As I mentioned, I've never had trouble copying live systems this way so you can add the disk and reboot as usual. Start with an 'fdisk -l' to get your existing partition layout. Then fdisk /dev/hdb to create partitions on the new drive. When doing it by hand I usually start with a 100M (or so) ext3 partition for /boot, then about 2 gigs for swap, then the rest in an ext3 for /. If other drives are involved, I'll mount them as /home and /var. Since you only need 3 partitions, they can all be primary. Start with 'n' to make a new partiton and answer the prompts. You can use +100M for the size of the boot partition, +2000M for swap - the rest is pretty obvious and you can always delete them and start over. The default partition type is OK except for the swap partition. For that you need to use 't' at the fdisk prompt, give the partition number that will be used for swap, and 82 for the type. When you are done, use the 'w' command to save it. The partitions will become /dev/hdbn where n is the partition number you created with fdisk. Make filesystems with: mke2fs -j /dev/hdbn (for each one) If you make a separate /boot as the first partition that's mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 then mkswap /dev/hdb2 for the swap partition and mke2fs -j /dev/hdb3 for / (note that the -j makes it an ext3 journaled filesystem). Now make a mount point for your new root partiton: mkdir /tmp/new mount it: mount /dev/hdb3 /tmp/new Repeat for /boot mkdir /tmp/new/boot mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/new/boot Now copy the existing system: cd /boot cp -av . /tmp/new/boot cd / cp -av --one-file-system . /tmp/new (You could use tar|tar, or cpio -p or dump|restore if you prefer, but GNU cp gets it right with the -a option. The -v slows it down quite a bit but lets you see what it is doing). Now you need to fix what will be your new /etc/fstab, so: vi /tmp/new/etc/fstab Change each LABEL=/something on the left side to the device name noting that it will be /dev/hdan not the current /dev/hdbn after you move to the new system. Be sure the swap partition is correct also. Make the same adjustment to /new/boot/grub/grub.conf (the one in /etc is a symlink - be sure to edit the real one at this point). Fix all instances of root=LABEL=/ to be root=/dev/hda3. The 'root' line in each grub entry should say 'root (hd0,0)' meaning that the boot partition is the first partition on the first drive in grub's odd notation. If, for some reason, it currently says something else, fix that too. If you know more about grub than I do, you can install the loader now with some quirky commands. I leave it for another step. If you want, you can edit these files under /tmp/new/etc/sysconfig/: network, network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, and if it exists, networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0 to change the hostname and ip address. Or you can wait till the machine is running. If you edit now, remove any HWADDR lines you see because they will be wrong after the disk move and they aren't really necessary. Then, shut the machine down and swap the drive into the new machine (don't forget to change jumpers if you aren't using cable select. Boot the new machine with the install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. If your edit was correct on /etc/fstab, it will detect your hard drive, mount it for you under /mnt/sysinstall and suggest a chroot command to do repairs. If it doesn't, don't panic, you can still fix it. If it does, execute the chroot command, then type: grub-install /dev/hda which was the last step to making the drive bootable. Then type exit twice to unmount things cleanly and reboot, removing the CD. If the install CD didn't detect the system, you probably have something wrong in the fstab file. You can repeat the commands to mount the partitions yourself, remembering that they are now in the hda position. You might need to review the output of 'dmesg' to see how the system is detecting your partitions and adjust fstab accordingly, then reboot with 'linux rescue' again to make sure. Once it boots on its own, you can run system-config-network to fix the name and network settings if you didn't modify the copied files earlier. You can use approximately the same procedure to restore backups made with tar or other file-based methods onto bare iron - you just have to do a little more of the work from the rescue CD or knoppix. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 00:42:49 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:12:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] File locking in OpenOffice with remote mount Message-ID: <774593a2050717174224ddad66@mail.gmail.com> Maybe OpenOffice forums are proper place but I think I can get much wider GURU network here. In one of the networks k12ltsp is setup with two NIC configuration. While most of the user files are in their home directories for some reasons that can not be helped some files are being accessed through mounted share from a win2k server. I have observed that while OpenOffice can be configured to allow the second (and subsequent) instance of file opening as "READ ONLY" I am unable to do that when accessing files from the shared directory and both (or more) users end up in full "READ-WRITE" sessions. Would this also happen if I mount exported directory from another Linux box? My line of thought is that solution lies in using proper mount options (rather than defaults). Any inputs would be welcome. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From pfaffman at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 02:36:04 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:36:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] spamassassin In-Reply-To: <1121555950.13679.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> <1121555950.13679.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9326098005071719363cc05c9a@mail.gmail.com> I missed the first message, but rsync is a better way to move home directories than ftp. You can do a "rsync -n -rav home newhost:/" and it'll copy them all over and keep all of the permissions and ownerships. The "-n" makes it not do anything. I always to that first because I can never remember the way that it handles those trailing slashes. Rync's also nice if you have to stop and re-start the transfer for some reason. On 7/16/05, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > i was not clear on one thing, i was upgrading from a 4.2.0 install, that > had only been upgraded since 3.1.x i wanted a fresh install, *then* i > was copying home directories over via FTP. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 13:42:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] swapping eth cards In-Reply-To: <42D3CBC4.2070901@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20050718134250.4488.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not 100% sure this will work, but I think you can edit /etc/modprobe.conf and change the aliases. You'll see two lines that start with "alias eth0" and "alias eth1", followed by something that designates the NIC. Switch eth0 for eth1 and I think you'll be good. Then you don't need to change dhcp.conf or anything. -Rob --- Antonello Facchetti wrote: > In the default install of k12ltsp eth0 is the > interface on the > thin-client side of the server and eth1 is the > interface on the "public" > side. > I'm installing on a machine with a built-in ethernet > card (the setup > program takes it as eth0) and an added gigabit nic > (taken as eth1). > Obviously I want them in the reverse order, with the > gigabit eth1 > serving the thin-clients. > How can I arrange this? > I modified dhcp.conf with the IP of eth1, and > modified /etc/hosts > consequently. Which other steps shall I take? > > tia > Antonello > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 18 14:07:28 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:07:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DBB7A0.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Every thin-client login is producing this error message. A quick search of the archives shows at least one other person asking about the same issue but no responses. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4 Pre 1. Does anyone know what this is and how to make it go away? -- C-ya, Mark ____ I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Jul 18 16:11:35 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:11:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DBB7A0.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBB7A0.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121703095.13071.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> You're getting this message because your server does not have a sound card and Gnome is trying to load the mixer applet by default (which cannot find a sound device to control). One way to get rid of the message, I believe, is to remove the Mixer applet from the panel (I don't believe the applet can be made to work with network sound since it only supports writing to the device). Try this with a single user and see if it helps. If it does, then you may be able to make a system-wide change by removing (or moving to say /root if you are afraid to delete) the following folder: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/mixer/ Log out and log in again. Caveat: I haven't tried any of this (I don't have FC4 setup on a system here), but if it works, I wouldn't be surprised. For whatever reason, Ubuntu does not seem to suffer from this. Anyhow, hope that gets someone closer to an answer! -Gadi On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 09:07 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Every thin-client login is producing this error message. A quick search > of the archives shows at least one other person asking about the same > issue but no responses. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4 Pre 1. Does anyone know > what this is and how to make it go away? > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 18 17:21:58 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:21:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icons to All User's Desktop Script Message-ID: <42DBE536.4040209@honeygroveisd.net> Eric (or anyone else who can answer this), I'm trying to push some icons to my users on my new 4.4 system. Currently there are just over 1100 folders in the "/home" directory. When I run the script the icons are only copies to some of the folders, 427 of them to be exact. Is there some sort of limit on how many users this script will work with? Any help would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Repartee is something we think of an hour too late." -- Mark Twain From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 18 17:24:40 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:24:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DBE5D8.4070607@honeygroveisd.net> > > >You're getting this message because your server does not have a sound >card and Gnome is trying to load the mixer applet by default (which >cannot find a sound device to control). > >One way to get rid of the message, I believe, is to remove the Mixer >applet from the panel (I don't believe the applet can be made to work >with network sound since it only supports writing to the device). > >Try this with a single user and see if it helps. > >If it does, then you may be able to make a system-wide change by >removing (or moving to say /root if you are afraid to delete) the >following folder: > >/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/mixer/ > >Log out and log in again. > >Caveat: I haven't tried any of this (I don't have FC4 setup on a system >here), but if it works, I wouldn't be surprised. For whatever reason, >Ubuntu does not seem to suffer from this. > >Anyhow, hope that gets someone closer to an answer! > >-Gadi > Gadi, Thanks for responding, but that entirely correct. The server DOES have a sound card and sound works well at the server. However, there is no sound of any kind on the terminals. When I login at a terminal using KDE the error message is "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)." Does that give anyone more to work with? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Repartee is something we think of an hour too late." -- Mark Twain From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 17:46:13 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DBE5D8.4070607@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBE5D8.4070607@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050718134613.282cf3d5.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:24:40 -0500 Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Gadi, > Thanks for responding, but that entirely correct. The server DOES > have a sound card and sound works well at the server. However, there is > no sound of any kind on the terminals. When I login at a terminal using > KDE the error message is "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission > denied)." Does that give anyone more to work with? > Mark, Check your permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. If your user doesn't have rw permission you will get permission denied. As root, chmod u+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer will get the permissions correct and should get rid of the error message. Jesse McDonnell PS: I have found that, at least for Realplayer, even when permissions are correct, I *still* have to first run Realplayer once as root before it will work for users. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 18 18:01:53 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:01:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Mark, > >Check your permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. If your user doesn't have rw permission you will get permission denied. >As root, chmod u+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer will get the permissions correct and should get rid of the error message. > >Jesse McDonnell > >PS: I have found that, at least for Realplayer, even when permissions are correct, I *still* have to first run Realplayer once as root before it will work for users. > Well, that made the error message go away, but I still have no sound on a terminal that worked perfectly with 4.2. No sound with Flash, no sound with QuickTime, no sound with TuxType. Nuthin. Any other ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it.-Harry Truman From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Jul 18 18:21:57 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:21:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DBE5D8.4070607@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBE5D8.4070607@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121710917.13071.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just set up FC4, recreated the problem, and I actually found another folder that needs to be moved: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer/ Ah, and now I see that changing perms on your soundcard device made the errors go away for you (which you will need to change in /etc/udev.d in order for the changes to survive a reboot, btw). This error should be independent of your getting sound to work on the terminals, it is completely because the mixer applet want access to /dev/dsp on the server. Getting sound on the terminal is a different issue. If you are using Gnome, make sure that your SOUND_DAEMON in lts.conf is set to "esd". On the server, you may want to open a terminal and type: gstreamer-properties Then, make sure that ESD is set for your output audio. HTH, -Gadi On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 12:24 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/mixer/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 18 18:54:21 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:54:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DBFADD.9000103@honeygroveisd.net> >I just set up FC4, recreated the problem, and I actually found another >folder that needs to be moved: > >/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer/ > >Ah, and now I see that changing perms on your soundcard device made the >errors go away for you (which you will need to change in /etc/udev.d in >order for the changes to survive a reboot, btw). > > I don't see /etc/udev.d on my system. >This error should be independent of your getting sound to work on the >terminals, it is completely because the mixer applet want access >to /dev/dsp on the server. > > > The error is only on terminals. At the server everything works just as it should. >Getting sound on the terminal is a different issue. If you are using >Gnome, make sure that your SOUND_DAEMON in lts.conf is set to "esd". > I've tried both NASD and ESD. It's currently set to ESD > On >the server, you may want to open a terminal and type: > >gstreamer-properties > >Then, make sure that ESD is set for your output audio. > > When I do that and click the "Test" button I get the error: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'" This same terminal worked perfectly on Friday morning before I upgraded to K12LTSP 4.4, so I know it's not a terminal issue. Any other thoughts? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The dot over the letter 'i' is called a tittle. From scott at hosef.org Mon Jul 18 22:51:02 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:51:02 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] copying mail, but keeping new Evolution/spamassassin settings? In-Reply-To: <1121555712.13679.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> <1121555712.13679.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42DC3256.7000306@hosef.org> ssanders at coin.org wrote: > hi all, i did a 4.2.1 fresh install, then FTPed /home directories over, > as well as /etc/groups (i had recreated the users on the new install). > on the fresh install, spamassassin was working agressively, ready to be > taught. the old /home directories had a very old, manually > installed/configured spamassassin, long before K12OSN. it had not been > working very well, hence the desire to have a fresh install. > > i did not overwrite .spamassassin, in an effort to keep the new stuff > there. however, it is not flagging stuff agressively as it was. any > suggestions? Have you tried running sa-learn with the sync switch, or the many others that could be relevant? man sa-learn is pretty extensive. That said, the same thing happened to me after a major update of SA. Following years of frontline service, by filters were trained like champs. Something above my head changed with the update. Retraining through sa-learn helped, but not enough. Your post led me to dig around. An installation of the webmin spamassassin module re-introduced me to pyzor, razor, and something called DCC. A few quick aptitude install *, and these have been the best few mornings in quite a while. For FC4 http://www.freespamfilter.org/FC4.html --scott From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Jul 18 23:54:31 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:54:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp & netfinity 5500/500 server Message-ID: <2B6748A3.73BE3C88.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, Our organisation has been donated a couple of netfinity 5500/500 dual cpu servers with SCSI RAID5 drives. After much work we got the K12 sw to recognise the drives and actually install k12ltsp V4.2el. However after the complete install, no errors no messages, when the system reboots and tries to unpack the kernel we get a kenel panic no LV found... I would think that if there weren't any LV then the system would not have installled ..... am I missingf something ?? thanks for the help norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Jul 19 00:57:41 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:57:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Message-ID: <200507190106.j6J16ran012565@mx1.redhat.com> OK, it's the "my best friend is the principle of an elementary school" I am working on a project to place 50 thin clients. Along with lots of monitors and used pc's I see while cruising around ebay, there are some dual xeon and better machines in the 500 - 700 mghtz range for less than a couple of hundred bucks with SCSI and Memory. Any cautionary tales? Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 01:14:13 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:14:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware In-Reply-To: <200507190106.j6J16ran012565@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507190106.j6J16ran012565@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: The only thing that I have found is that the scsi onboard adapter can have a conflict with Fedora. To get around it we have had to use a known recognizable scsi card, install k12, then remove the card and Fedora seems to do OK after that. Steve On 7/18/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > > OK, it's the "my best friend is the principle of an elementary school" I am > working on a project to place 50 thin clients. > > > > Along with lots of monitors and used pc's I see while cruising around ebay, > there are some dual xeon and better machines in the 500 ? 700 mghtz range > for less than a couple of hundred bucks with SCSI and Memory. > > > > Any cautionary tales? > > > > Thanks, Robert > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Jul 19 01:16:16 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:16:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Message-ID: <071920050116.6408.42DC546000029C390000190821979133299B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Robert... I bought 2 quad 550 xeons with 4 gig of ram off Ebay. One of them is serving up files like a champ at school. It is our Moodle server among other things. The other is at home, and the backplane failed after I had it 2 months or so. I am running one scsi drive straight off the motherboard, and am bypassing the backplane. I guess this is a qualified recommendation. They were Dell 6350s, and linux installed quite well. There were no "gotchas." The servers were $500 each with shipping of $85 or so. They came with fiber cards. I would do it again. The machine at school is _really_ nice to have in the server rack. Regards... Tom > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Robert E. Gomberg" Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:07:03 +0000 Size: 3803 URL: From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Jul 19 01:18:47 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:18:47 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Message-ID: <071920050118.8173.42DC54F70003881B00001FED21979133299B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Oops... i should have mentioned that my quad xeon machiines have some scsi card that RHEL 4 does not support. I have installed Fedora Core 2 on one and Scientific Linux 3 on the other. Regards... Tom > The only thing that I have found is that the scsi onboard adapter can > have a conflict with Fedora. To get around it we have had to use a > known recognizable scsi card, install k12, then remove the card and > Fedora seems to do OK after that. > > Steve > > On 7/18/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > > > > > OK, it's the "my best friend is the principle of an elementary school" I am > > working on a project to place 50 thin clients. > > > > > > > > Along with lots of monitors and used pc's I see while cruising around ebay, > > there are some dual xeon and better machines in the 500 ? 700 mghtz range > > for less than a couple of hundred bucks with SCSI and Memory. > > > > > > > > Any cautionary tales? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Robert > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Jul 19 01:27:26 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:27:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware In-Reply-To: <071920050116.6408.42DC546000029C390000190821979133299B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200507190127.j6J1RDi01081@www.mi-spot.com> I'll second Tom's recommendation on the 6350's. Mine supports 22 workstations like a dream and can be had on ebay for under $500. I think that the multiple processors really fit well with K12LTSP. I had to turn off most of the scsi controllers in the bios to get my installation, but it doesn't slow anything down. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of haynest at mchsi.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:16 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Robert... I bought 2 quad 550 xeons with 4 gig of ram off Ebay. One of them is serving up files like a champ at school. It is our Moodle server among other things. The other is at home, and the backplane failed after I had it 2 months or so. I am running one scsi drive straight off the motherboard, and am bypassing the backplane. I guess this is a qualified recommendation. They were Dell 6350s, and linux installed quite well. There were no "gotchas." The servers were $500 each with shipping of $85 or so. They came with fiber cards. I would do it again. The machine at school is _really_ nice to have in the server rack. Regards... Tom > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jul 19 05:09:58 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:09:58 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) Message-ID: <200507190512.j6J5C1hq024314@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I don't know if I did something but I can't log in as root at all. Not through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote login with cygwin and not even directly at the server. The message I get is "Your home directory is listed as: '/home/root' but it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work unless you use a failsafe session." When I choose yes it says, "The system administrator has disabled your account." I am using SMB-LDAP. I need to access the root account. What should I do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 06:25:37 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:25:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) In-Reply-To: <200507190512.j6J5C1hq024314@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200507190512.j6J5C1hq024314@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05071823251b373085@mail.gmail.com> Firstly, to quote Douglas Adams:- Don't panic! Next, try running this command su -c 'ln -s /root /home/root' If that doesn't work, try rebooting the box and editing the boot line for your kernel (in Grub) adding the letter S (with a space before it) on the end. This takes it into single-user mode, where you can type ln -s /root /home/root If that doesn't work, reboot from any redhat or fedora based disk, and enter recovery mode. This is one of the boot options, and should be described there. Hope that helps :) Jon On 19/07/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I don't know if I did something but I can't log in as root at all. Not > through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote login > with cygwin and not even directly at the server. > > The message I get is "Your home directory is listed as: '/home/root' but it > does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory > as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work unless you > use a failsafe session." > > > > When I choose yes it says, "The system administrator has disabled your > account." > > > > I am using SMB-LDAP. > > > > I need to access the root account. What should I do? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 19 13:33:50 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:33:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Screensaver Message-ID: <42DD013E.6010009@honeygroveisd.net> On the new K12LTSP 4.4 the default screensaver appears to be set to lock the screen when activated. I can see this causing no end of trouble around here. Can someone tell me how to change this default behavior for all users? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government." -- Edward Abbey From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 19 13:40:43 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Default Screensaver In-Reply-To: <42DD013E.6010009@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DD013E.6010009@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: Isn't the screensaver password the same as the users' password? About 5 seconds of education will work here. . . Or, you'll probably have to go to every user's home directory and change that default for the users that are already created, but I am sure there are others that have an easier way. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Mark Cockrell wrote: > On the new K12LTSP 4.4 the default screensaver appears to be set to lock > the screen when activated. I can see this causing no end of trouble > around here. Can someone tell me how to change this default behavior > for all users? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government." -- Edward Abbey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue Jul 19 13:48:26 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:48:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050719094826.547f421a.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:01:53 -0500 Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > > >Mark, > > > >Check your permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. If your user doesn't have rw permission you will get permission denied. > >As root, chmod u+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer will get the permissions correct and should get rid of the error message. > > > >Jesse McDonnell > > > >PS: I have found that, at least for Realplayer, even when permissions are correct, I *still* have to first run Realplayer once as root before it will work for users. > > > > Well, that made the error message go away, but I still have no sound on > a terminal that worked perfectly with 4.2. No sound with Flash, no > sound with QuickTime, no sound with TuxType. Nuthin. Any other ideas? > Mark, Did you try logging in on a terminal and running a sound app as root? Other than that I'm out of ideas. Keep us posted. Jesse From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 19 13:52:17 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:52:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <20050719094826.547f421a.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> <20050719094826.547f421a.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42DD0591.6040401@honeygroveisd.net> Jesse McDonnell wrote: >Mark, > >Did you try logging in on a terminal and running a sound app as root? Other than that I'm out of ideas. Keep us posted. > >Jesse > > Actually, no I hadn't tried that. When I do that I get sound at the server and not at the terminal. The sound that should be playing at the terminal plays through the speakers connected to the server. Now I'm even more confused. Again I want to stress that there have been no hardware changes from version 4.2, so this is definitely a configuration issue somewhere. Any other ideas? C-ya, Mark ____ If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Tue Jul 19 14:05:26 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:05:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware In-Reply-To: <200507190106.j6J16ran012565@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507190106.j6J16ran012565@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200507190705.26290.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Hi Robert, For what it's worth, we tend to shy away from using used equipment...seems we run into more problems than it's usually worth...plus our customers expect both us and the OEM to stand behind our bundled servers...but we HAVE sourced some good deals on new equipment via eBay; check these guys out- we ordered 4 of the 1U DUAL 246 AMD Opteron, 2GB RAM units last week, and they got here yesterday. (we called them direct and worked a deal starting from the eBay price.) http://stores.ebay.com/Open-Source-Data-Storage-Systems_W0QQssPageNameZviQ3asibQ3astoreviewQQtZkm http://www.opensourcestorage.com/pages/user/index.php?page=9 Good luck! Curt Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) On Monday 18 July 2005 17:57, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > OK, it's the "my best friend is the principle of an elementary school" I am > working on a project to place 50 thin clients. > > > > Along with lots of monitors and used pc's I see while cruising around ebay, > there are some dual xeon and better machines in the 500 - 700 mghtz range > for less than a couple of hundred bucks with SCSI and Memory. > > > > Any cautionary tales? > > > > Thanks, Robert -- From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Jul 19 15:07:46 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:07:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Used Hardware In-Reply-To: <200507190705.26290.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <200507191514.j6JFEIqW004797@mx1.redhat.com> Hi Craig, Does safedesk run a different sound server than the K12LTSP package? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Curt Craig [mailto:ccraig at safedesksolutions.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:05 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Robert E. Gomberg Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Used Hardware Hi Robert, For what it's worth, we tend to shy away from using used equipment...seems we run into more problems than it's usually worth...plus our customers expect both us and the OEM to stand behind our bundled servers...but we HAVE sourced some good deals on new equipment via eBay; check these guys out- we ordered 4 of the 1U DUAL 246 AMD Opteron, 2GB RAM units last week, and they got here yesterday. (we called them direct and worked a deal starting from the eBay price.) http://stores.ebay.com/Open-Source-Data-Storage-Systems_W0QQssPageNameZviQ3a sibQ3astoreviewQQtZkm http://www.opensourcestorage.com/pages/user/index.php?page=9 Good luck! Curt Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) On Monday 18 July 2005 17:57, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > OK, it's the "my best friend is the principle of an elementary school" I am > working on a project to place 50 thin clients. > > > > Along with lots of monitors and used pc's I see while cruising around ebay, > there are some dual xeon and better machines in the 500 - 700 mghtz range > for less than a couple of hundred bucks with SCSI and Memory. > > > > Any cautionary tales? > > > > Thanks, Robert -- From benjamin.murph at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 15:52:26 2005 From: benjamin.murph at gmail.com (Ben Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:52:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting Message-ID: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> I'm working with laptops to try and create a mobile terminal services network. I've gotten the laptops to boot using PXE to the point at which the terminal receives the kernel from the server. At this point, I get a kernel panic error that says the network device cannot be detected and that changes need to be made to dhcpd.conf. I'm using PCMCIA ethernet devices. What changes should be made? It mentions option-129 and specifying a NIC, does that simply mean adding a driver and "pointing" to its location? Thank you, Ben Murphy From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jul 19 16:29:56 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ben, Unfortunately, at this point, the LTSP kernels don't support net-booting via PCMCIA network interfaces. There's no PCMCIA support in the initrd, so the card can't even be detected. I think it's still pretty rare to find a laptop that will actually supports PXE booting via PCMCIA. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Ben Murphy wrote: > I'm working with laptops to try and create a mobile terminal services > network. I've gotten the laptops to boot using PXE to the point at > which the terminal receives the kernel from the server. At this point, > I get a kernel panic error that says the network device cannot be > detected and that changes need to be made to dhcpd.conf. I'm using > PCMCIA ethernet devices. What changes should be made? It mentions > option-129 and specifying a NIC, does that simply mean adding a driver > and "pointing" to its location? > > Thank you, > Ben Murphy > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jul 19 16:32:22 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:32:22 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] symbolic link not visible when logging in using ftp In-Reply-To: <42D1A066.6080608@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20050719163229.3F50858C0EE@smtp-out.free.net.nz> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 10:26 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] symbolic link not visible when logging in using ftp Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I have one folder "School Intranet" with full access permission. Its address >is "/home/School Intranet". I have created a soft link to it from my home >directory. When I log in directly to K12LTSP I can see the link in my home >directory when I click it I go to the right place. > >It is also set up as an SMB share and all windows users at the school can >access it without problems. > >However when I login to ftp using my username and password, I can see all >the contents of my home directory but not "School Intranet". > >What do I have to do so that I can access this file through ftp? > >The idea is that teachers can log in from home and upload or download files >to and from this shared directory as well as from their home directories. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > You need to chroot the users in the ftp config file. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see [Krsnendu dasa] How do I do that? [Krsnendu dasa] What exactly do I have to put in the config file? From benjamin.murph at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:42:00 2005 From: benjamin.murph at gmail.com (Ben Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:42:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: References: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30d6c8d50507190942668d0527@mail.gmail.com> Jim, That's kind of disappointing, but thank you. Will PCMCIA support be included in later builds of LTSP? Ben Murphy On 7/19/05, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Ben, > > Unfortunately, at this point, the LTSP kernels don't support net-booting > via PCMCIA network interfaces. There's no PCMCIA support in the initrd, > so the card can't even be detected. > > I think it's still pretty rare to find a laptop that will actually > supports PXE booting via PCMCIA. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Ben Murphy wrote: > > > I'm working with laptops to try and create a mobile terminal services > > network. I've gotten the laptops to boot using PXE to the point at > > which the terminal receives the kernel from the server. At this point, > > I get a kernel panic error that says the network device cannot be > > detected and that changes need to be made to dhcpd.conf. I'm using > > PCMCIA ethernet devices. What changes should be made? It mentions > > option-129 and specifying a NIC, does that simply mean adding a driver > > and "pointing" to its location? > > > > Thank you, > > Ben Murphy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Jul 19 17:01:00 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DD0591.6040401@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> <20050719094826.547f421a.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <42DD0591.6040401@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121792460.492.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mark- try launching gstreamer-properties and make output ESD and input OSS and test the sound. Newer versions of Gnome (and KDE) have started to use gstreamer as a common intermediary layer between the sound output of the applications and the sound hardware. Also, check that you have all of the esound libraries installed on the server (thru YUM/APT). Keep us posted... -Gadi On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 08:52 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > >Mark, > > > >Did you try logging in on a terminal and running a sound app as root? Other than that I'm out of ideas. Keep us posted. > > > >Jesse > > > > > Actually, no I hadn't tried that. When I do that I get sound at the > server and not at the terminal. The sound that should be playing at the > terminal plays through the speakers connected to the server. Now I'm > even more confused. Again I want to stress that there have been no > hardware changes from version 4.2, so this is definitely a configuration > issue somewhere. Any other ideas? > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 19 17:03:06 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:03:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <1121792460.492.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42DBEE91.1070100@honeygroveisd.net> <20050719094826.547f421a.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <42DD0591.6040401@honeygroveisd.net> <1121792460.492.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42DD324A.8010905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gideon Romm wrote: > Mark- > > try launching gstreamer-properties and make output ESD and input OSS > > and test the sound. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And be sure to do this as a regular user, not root. Sound support on the terminals is always disabled for the root user. -Eric > Newer versions of Gnome (and KDE) have started to use gstreamer as a > common intermediary layer between the sound output of the applications > and the sound hardware. Also, check that you have all of the esound > libraries installed on the server (thru YUM/APT). > > Keep us posted... > > -Gadi > > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 08:52 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > >>Jesse McDonnell wrote: >> >> >>>Mark, >>> >>>Did you try logging in on a terminal and running a sound app as root? Other than that I'm out of ideas. Keep us posted. >>> >>>Jesse >>> >>> >> >>Actually, no I hadn't tried that. When I do that I get sound at the >>server and not at the terminal. The sound that should be playing at the >>terminal plays through the speakers connected to the server. Now I'm >>even more confused. Again I want to stress that there have been no >>hardware changes from version 4.2, so this is definitely a configuration >>issue somewhere. Any other ideas? >> >>C-ya, >>Mark >>____ >>If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 19 18:35:27 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:35:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DD47EF.4060905@honeygroveisd.net> > Gideon Romm wrote: > >Mark- > > >try launching gstreamer-properties and make output ESD and input OSS > > > and test the sound. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >And be sure to do this as a regular user, not root. Sound support on the >terminals is always disabled for the root user. > > >-Eric > > >Newer versions of Gnome (and KDE) have started to use gstreamer as a >common intermediary layer between the sound output of the applications >and the sound hardware. Also, check that you have all of the esound >libraries installed on the server (thru YUM/APT). > > >Keep us posted... > > >-Gadi > I logged in with a test account I keep around called "Peon." As you might surmise this account has minimal access privileges. Running gstreamer-properties and setting the output to ESD and the input to OSS gives the error "Failed to construct test pipeline" on both test buttons. No sound in applications either. I'm not sure what libraries I need to make sure are in place, but I did and "everything" install and have run yum/apt/up2date to make sure I'm current. Is it possible I have the wrong repositories set? I haven't modified anything manually. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Too many have dispensed with generosity in order to practice charity." -- Albert Camus From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 19 19:41:43 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:41:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer (Les Mikesell) In-Reply-To: <20050718160043.305A87365C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050718160043.305A87365C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050719194142.GI11615@majen.net> > Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:33:00 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer Les has already covered this ground pretty well, but I've got a write-up on tar/rsync Linux cloning and/or backup/restore here: http://www.majen.net/docs/linux-clone-howto.txt --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 19 20:47:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:47:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d50507190942668d0527@mail.gmail.com> References: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> <30d6c8d50507190942668d0527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1121806058.3108.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 11:42, Ben Murphy wrote: > That's kind of disappointing, but thank you. Will PCMCIA support be > included in later builds of LTSP? I'm curious as to how you got that far. What laptop/card combo was able to load a kernel with PXE? Meanwhile, if they have CD's you can boot knoppix into runlevel 2 or 3 and start 'X -query server' to get a remote desktop. Or the pxelinux boot cd might work. On a slightly related note: has anyone tried to set up grub for network booting? I saw something a while back that made me think you could PXE or etherboot grub instead of a kernel - or load it from a local disk, then have a menu that would allow either a local or network boot to continue. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 19 23:07:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:07:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) In-Reply-To: <200507190512.j6J5C1hq024314@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200507190512.j6J5C1hq024314@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 1:09 AM +0000 wrote: >I don?t know if I did something but I can?t log in as root at all. Not >through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote >login with cygwin and not even directly at the server. >The message I get is ?Your home directory is listed as: ?/home/root? but >it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) >directory as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work >unless you use a failsafe session.? > >When I choose yes it says, ?The system administrator has disabled your >account.? > >I am using SMB-LDAP. > >I need to access the root account. What should I do? Something is wrong....the root user should not map to /home/root.....how did you get smb-ldap up and running? Did you use the smbldap-installer? Assuming you are trying to log in as the root user of that particular machine....assuming smbldap is set up correctly....it should look for the local account first. Can you give us some more info about your Samba-LDAP installation? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 23:05:02 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050719230502.14798.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have you tried the wireless-ltsp package? It involves booting the laptop from a floppy (where it gets a kernel) and then it mounts the root filesystem on the ltsp server. -Rob --- Ben Murphy wrote: > I'm working with laptops to try and create a mobile > terminal services > network. I've gotten the laptops to boot using PXE > to the point at > which the terminal receives the kernel from the > server. At this point, > I get a kernel panic error that says the network > device cannot be > detected and that changes need to be made to > dhcpd.conf. I'm using > PCMCIA ethernet devices. What changes should be > made? It mentions > option-129 and specifying a NIC, does that simply > mean adding a driver > and "pointing" to its location? > > Thank you, > Ben Murphy > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 19 23:12:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:12:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DD47EF.4060905@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DD47EF.4060905@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 2:35 PM +0000 wrote: >I logged in with a test account I keep around called "Peon." As you >might surmise this account has minimal access privileges. Running >gstreamer-properties and setting the output to ESD and the input to OSS >gives the error "Failed to construct test pipeline" on both test >buttons. No sound in applications either. I'm not sure what libraries >I need to make sure are in place, but I did and "everything" install and >have run yum/apt/up2date to make sure I'm current. Is it possible I >have the wrong repositories set? I haven't modified anything manually. Check and see if the sound server is enabled in Gnome....if it is...disable it. All it really does is produce the bings and bongs for system alerts, but in my experience it will prevent many sound apps from working at all. Disable the sound server and then try...things may work now (you may need to reboot). I use nasd and IceWM and have had sound in Flash, all apps, all players, and Firefox for quite some time now. I have yet to try sound in K12LTSP 4.4, but I will the first week in August. If you guys get something else working...document it to save me the headache *please?* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 23:14:52 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <1121465290.3493.195.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050719231452.70872.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't forget the option of booting to Knoppix and copying the system over like that. This way the files you are copying are not in use at all. Knoppix also comes with qtparted, which is a graphical partitioner/formatter. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > OK, now you are talking about real work because you > have to make some > decisions about partition sizes, etc. You can do > this either in rescue > mode or live. Rescue mode is probably safer but > I've never had a > problem duplicating a running system with a > file-based copy which is > what you need when changing partition sizes. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jul 19 23:43:41 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:43:41 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050719234340.60EBA58C0F4@smtp-out.free.net.nz> I used the smbldap-installer on K12lLTSP 4.2. It went fine. I would addusers from the username file etc. I just notice a few days ago that I couldn't su into root account and then I found out I couldn't log in to root at all. I can't figure out why. I don't remember doing anything to cause that. I started running an ftp server using vsftp. It was when I tried to access the conf file for that that I noticed that I couldn't get into the root account. Could that have something to do with it? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:08 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 1:09 AM +0000 wrote: >I don't know if I did something but I can't log in as root at all. Not >through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote >login with cygwin and not even directly at the server. >The message I get is "Your home directory is listed as: '/home/root' but >it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) >directory as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work >unless you use a failsafe session." > >When I choose yes it says, "The system administrator has disabled your >account." > >I am using SMB-LDAP. > >I need to access the root account. What should I do? Something is wrong....the root user should not map to /home/root.....how did you get smb-ldap up and running? Did you use the smbldap-installer? Assuming you are trying to log in as the root user of that particular machine....assuming smbldap is set up correctly....it should look for the local account first. Can you give us some more info about your Samba-LDAP installation? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 20 01:18:23 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue In-Reply-To: <1121447828.1656.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> <20050715102137.6gm97u0v10sok48w@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <1121447828.1656.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050719211823.5uqns29k3vdwscso@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Hi, me again. This issue has continued to cause all kinds of havoc here. Seemingly randomly certain users lose their group memberships (according to Windows). Some users will be fine, others will be broken.. at the same time. My account seems to always work fine, but it was created in the same way as my boss' account which continues to have trouble. We even went as far as to delete his account and home dir and recreate them, but it only worked for an hour or so an was broken again when I left work this afternoon. This afternoon we went ahead and upgraded samba thinking our version was old enough to have some bugs (3.0.10 to 3.0.14). No change. We are looking for ANY help on this issue. We are running NSCD, but a restart of NSCD doesn't change anything. Nor does a reboot of the entire server. Thanks, -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Les Mikesell : > On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 09:21, Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> A few minutes ago we just noticed that everything started working. >> My account >> lost admin privs (we took it out of the group this morning) and my boss >> started >> working. As soon as I added my account back into Domain Admins I >> immediately had >> admin rights (seemingly ruling out some soft of propigation delay). So >> right now >> everything appears to be working normally... but I'm unsure if the >> problem will >> reappear. > > Are you running nscd (name service caching daemon)? I've seen it > cause similar problems even with local passwd/group file changes. > I run it to reduce the traffic on a backend smb authentication > and have to 'service nscd restart' to make changes take effect > immediately. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Jul 20 04:25:48 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:25:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> References: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> Liam Marshall wrote: > not to rush someone who is obviously busy, and doing a wonderful job, > but any idea when the final version of either the el or the core4 is > going to be out > I want to start loading my server soon > > by the way, if I wipe and reload virtually every summer, is there any > particular advantage to el over core4 version? > > and does the el version come with ktouch/other educational games? > > thanks so much. Sorry for being a pain > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I would appreciate a definitive answer/opinion on the pros and cons of going with either the centos EL version, or the Fedora Core 4 version. Life cycle/support is not really an issue as in our environment I pretty much wipe and reload from scratch every summer. If a better mousetrap comes out during the year, I will get it the following summer This is what I do know. Using the 4.4 pre1 iso's I have loaded a test server. Connections from thin clients are fine, and with a little tweak, sound is finally working on the thin clients, at least for the non web apps. Ktouch has changed a little( no statistics option like the old one) but all the programs I need are there, or I can download (StarOffice, etc) I am happy with things the way they are but would appreciate knowing when we can expect the final version of this release to be available. I can't begin to imagine all the work that has been accomplished on this, and I really appreciate the effort put in. This is a fantastic product! I just want to get my hands on it and load the server so I can stop thinking about it for a while, and take a real holiday. Thanks in advance for any opinions/advise/eta From bill at computassist.com Wed Jul 20 13:43:26 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:43:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> References: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20050720084326.1e5d4c51@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday, Jul 19 Liam Marshall wrote: > I would appreciate a definitive answer/opinion on the pros and cons of > going with either the centos EL version, or the Fedora Core 4 version. I asked the same question last month, and got a very useful (I would call it definitive) reply from Les Mikesell. He wrote: Basically you should balance current features, expected stability, and life of update support to match your needs. FC3 and EL are about the same feature-wise but EL (and thus Centos) is supposed to be supported for 5 years, vs. the remaining 6 months for FC3. FC4 should have some new things, currently not very well tested, and about a year of support. K12ltsp is kind of an odd beast. Normally you want to go for long term support on servers because Linux server-side applications are very mature and you don't miss much if you don't upgrade. However, the desktop apps are improving rapidly so you do want to stay up to date there. With thin-client systems the desktop runs on the server so you may have to compromise. RHEL (or Centos) looks good now because it is a recent release. But, a year or two from now you might want to replace it with something else even though it is still supported with bugfix updates because better versions of the apps may become available in other distributions. Also, older versions of Fedora don't break just because the official update support stops - you just have to switch to the 'legacy' support repositories if you want any updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com I went with FC4 for the sake of up-to-date apps on the desktops. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 20 13:40:19 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:40:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP Groups Issue In-Reply-To: <20050719211823.5uqns29k3vdwscso@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <20050715090818.y5mxe1ww10g08cck@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <42D7C277.4040501@gwi.net> <20050715102137.6gm97u0v10sok48w@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> <1121447828.1656.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20050719211823.5uqns29k3vdwscso@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <20050720094019.3pvov11c1968skgk@webmail> I think I got it! The earlier tip about NSCD was spot on I think. Except we were only restarting NSCD, not stopping it completely. Right now, with nscd stopped things seem to be working swimmingly. Only time will tell if the problem is really solved, though. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Jason Ingalls : > Hi, me again. > > This issue has continued to cause all kinds of havoc here. Seemingly randomly > certain users lose their group memberships (according to Windows). Some users > will be fine, others will be broken.. at the same time. My account seems to > always work fine, but it was created in the same way as my boss' > account which > continues to have trouble. We even went as far as to delete his account and > home dir and recreate them, but it only worked for an hour or so an > was broken > again when I left work this afternoon. > > This afternoon we went ahead and upgraded samba thinking our version was old > enough to have some bugs (3.0.10 to 3.0.14). No change. > > > We are looking for ANY help on this issue. We are running NSCD, but a > restart of > NSCD doesn't change anything. Nor does a reboot of the entire server. > > Thanks, > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > Quoting Les Mikesell : > >> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 09:21, Jason Ingalls wrote: >> >>> A few minutes ago we just noticed that everything started working. >>> My account >>> lost admin privs (we took it out of the group this morning) and my boss >>> started >>> working. As soon as I added my account back into Domain Admins I >>> immediately had >>> admin rights (seemingly ruling out some soft of propigation delay). So >>> right now >>> everything appears to be working normally... but I'm unsure if the >>> problem will >>> reappear. >> >> Are you running nscd (name service caching daemon)? I've seen it >> cause similar problems even with local passwd/group file changes. >> I run it to reduce the traffic on a backend smb authentication >> and have to 'service nscd restart' to make changes take effect >> immediately. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 20 15:00:21 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:00:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> References: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <42DE6705.2040705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Liam Marshall wrote: > I would appreciate a definitive answer/opinion on the pros and cons of > going with either the centos EL version, or the Fedora Core 4 version. > Life cycle/support is not really an issue as in our environment I pretty > much wipe and reload from scratch every summer. If a better mousetrap > comes out during the year, I will get it the following summer > > This is what I do know. Using the 4.4 pre1 iso's I have loaded a test > server. Connections from thin clients are fine, and with a little > tweak, sound is finally working on the thin clients, at least for the > non web apps. Ktouch has changed a little( no statistics option like > the old one) but all the programs I need are there, or I can download > (StarOffice, etc) Liam, Release schedules are posted to the list. Here is the last one posted: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-June/msg00612.html The schedule is slipping a little, as is usual for release schedules. The 4.2.1EL version is ready to go, it will be finished real-soon-now. Probably this weekend. The 4.4.0 version has a couple minor issues outstanding. Such as the VNC service not being enabled by default. I am also looking into fixing the ktouch statistics. As the previous release-schedule post states, the pre-releases can be upgraded to the final release by using apt-get, up2date, or yum. You don't have to re-install. If pre1 or pre2 works for you, go for it. Any changes made between a pre-release and the final release will be picked up by the software updates. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Wed Jul 20 16:23:46 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:23:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on RHEL 4 Message-ID: I thought I had heard or read at one time that a version of K12LTSP might would be based on RHEL (or CentOS). Am I delusional or was that something actually happening on the fringe? I could see the benefit from a stability standpoint and slower update cycle. Particularly now that RHEL is on the 2.6 kernel. Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (903) 923-3361 From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Wed Jul 20 16:26:32 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:26:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with PXE booting on Broadcom NICs Message-ID: I have a lab of Dells with integrated Broadcom (Intel) 10/100/1000 Nics. When booting in PXE mode they are successfully getting an address, however the kernel isn't able to identify the NIC. Did anyone else have that type of problem and how is it resolved? Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (903) 923-3361 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jul 20 16:31:13 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:31:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DBB7A0.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DBB7A0.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121877073.25207.2.camel@techstation> On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 09:07 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Every thin-client login is producing this error message. A quick search > of the archives shows at least one other person asking about the same > issue but no responses. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4 Pre 1. Does anyone know > what this is and how to make it go away? This is mostly just a "me too" having problems getting sound to cooperate with 4.4 pre 2. I can't even get sound to work right on the server. Everything seems like it should be working, but I don't get any actual sound. Worked fine in 4.2. Going to go back to that later to make sure it's not some hardware thing that I don't realize I introduced... I'll let you know if I make any progress. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jul 20 16:56:13 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] problem with PXE booting on Broadcom NICs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Trae, The problemn with the broadcom nics is that they aren't in the niclist on the on the ltsp initrd. So, you need to provide a hint to the kernel, to tell it which driver to use. The parameter you need to pass for that card is 'NIC=tg3', and you need to supply that on the kernel command line. Take a look at this document, to see how to do that: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#PXE Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Trae Elmore wrote: > I have a lab of Dells with integrated Broadcom (Intel) 10/100/1000 Nics. > When booting in PXE mode they are successfully getting an address, however the kernel isn't able to identify the NIC. Did anyone else have that type of problem and how is it resolved? > > Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP > Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking > trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu > (903) 923-3361 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:21:10 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:21:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on RHEL 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/20/05, Trae Elmore wrote: > I thought I had heard or read at one time that a version of K12LTSP might would be based on RHEL (or CentOS). > > Am I delusional or was that something actually happening on the fringe? I could see the benefit from a stability standpoint and slower update cycle. Particularly now that RHEL is on the 2.6 kernel. Yes it's coming out as final next week. It's called k12ltsp 4.2.1EL. It' s based of Centos 4.1 which IS RHEL4 with the latest updates. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From benjamin.murph at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:39:21 2005 From: benjamin.murph at gmail.com (Ben Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:39:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Applications Message-ID: <30d6c8d505072010391e47bbe@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get some Windows applications to run both on my terminal server and on some clients, and have been unsuccessful thus far. Most of what I've done has been work with Wine, but Wine doesn't really function well on the clients. How can I run Windows applications (e.g. Office 2000) on the terminals? Thank you, Ben Murphy From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Wed Jul 20 17:52:00 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:52:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Applications In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d505072010391e47bbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <30d6c8d505072010391e47bbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507201052.00716.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Ben, CodeWeavers works well. http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/ Curt On Wednesday 20 July 2005 10:39, Ben Murphy wrote: > I've been trying to get some Windows applications to run both on my > terminal server and on some clients, and have been unsuccessful thus > far. Most of what I've done has been work with Wine, but Wine doesn't > really function well on the clients. How can I run Windows > applications (e.g. Office 2000) on the terminals? > > Thank you, > Ben Murphy > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jul 20 18:16:16 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:16:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> >Check and see if the sound server is enabled in Gnome....if it >is...disable it. All it really does is produce the bings and bongs for >system alerts, but in my experience it will prevent many sound apps from >working at all. Disable the sound server and then try...things may work >now (you may need to reboot). > >I use nasd and IceWM and have had sound in Flash, all apps, all players, >and Firefox for quite some time now. I have yet to try sound in K12LTSP >4.4, but I will the first week in August. If you guys get something else >working...document it to save me the headache *please?* > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask vcsvikings org >(207)923-3100 > Nope. The Gnome sound server is not turned on. Just for grins I turned in on. Still nothing. Anyone else have any ideas? I had sound working on 4.2 using NASD with Gnome, IceWM, and KDE. Same server, same terminal, no sound. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Wit is educated insolence." -- Aristotle, Greek philosopher From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:36:02 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:36:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1EL x86_64? Message-ID: <9bd3175605072011361dfa4944@mail.gmail.com> I'm liking the idea of the slower release cycle of Centos. Sometimes Fedora Core makes me feel like George Jetson on the treadmill. :) If we switch to Centos will we get the k12LTSP specific updates at the same time as fedora (i.e new functionality). Is the x86_64 version being tested as well? Any gotchas I should know about? Is that 32bit firefox installer included? Thanks Eric, Peter From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Jul 20 19:25:29 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:25:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK, so I just had a chance to test on an FC4 box, and indeed, just changing the gstreamer-properties (or under Preferences -> More Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector) so that the Audio output was ESD and the Audio input was OSS did the trick! (I'm using esd on the thin clients). Sound came out as expected when I test the Audio Output ESD test button. (BTW: For video to work properly on most thin clients, change the Video Output under the Video tab to "Xwindows (No xv)") Now, this wrote a configuration file in my user account, so this doesn't seem to be system-wide. The conf file is ~/.gconf/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/%gconf.xml There is a corresponding file in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults , but I'm not sure exactly how to edit it. I'll let you know once I google around a bit. Anyhow, since gstreamer is used for gnome and kde these days, this should fix sound for most applications. Now, if you use nasd.... I would try setting the Audio output to OSS, but I'm an ESD kind of guy, so I'll leave that to the nasd fans... Hope that helped, -Gadi On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:16 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > >Check and see if the sound server is enabled in Gnome....if it > >is...disable it. All it really does is produce the bings and bongs for > >system alerts, but in my experience it will prevent many sound apps from > >working at all. Disable the sound server and then try...things may work > >now (you may need to reboot). > > > >I use nasd and IceWM and have had sound in Flash, all apps, all players, > >and Firefox for quite some time now. I have yet to try sound in K12LTSP > >4.4, but I will the first week in August. If you guys get something else > >working...document it to save me the headache *please?* > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask vcsvikings org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > Nope. The Gnome sound server is not turned on. Just for grins I turned > in on. Still nothing. Anyone else have any ideas? I had sound working > on 4.2 using NASD with Gnome, IceWM, and KDE. Same server, same > terminal, no sound. > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Jul 20 19:35:40 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:35:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ah, attached is Ubuntu's file that goes here: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/% gconf.xml Replacing the default with the one attached, should change the default system settings. -Gadi On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:25 -0400, Gideon Romm wrote: > OK, so I just had a chance to test on an FC4 box, and indeed, just > changing the gstreamer-properties (or under Preferences -> More > Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector) so that the Audio output was > ESD and the Audio input was OSS did the trick! (I'm using esd on the > thin clients). Sound came out as expected when I test the Audio Output > ESD test button. > > (BTW: For video to work properly on most thin clients, change the Video > Output under the Video tab to "Xwindows (No xv)") > > Now, this wrote a configuration file in my user account, so this doesn't > seem to be system-wide. The conf file is > ~/.gconf/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/%gconf.xml > > There is a corresponding file in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults , but I'm > not sure exactly how to edit it. I'll let you know once I google around > a bit. > > Anyhow, since gstreamer is used for gnome and kde these days, this > should fix sound for most applications. > > Now, if you use nasd.... I would try setting the Audio output to OSS, > but I'm an ESD kind of guy, so I'll leave that to the nasd fans... > > Hope that helped, > > -Gadi > > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:16 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >Check and see if the sound server is enabled in Gnome....if it > > >is...disable it. All it really does is produce the bings and bongs for > > >system alerts, but in my experience it will prevent many sound apps from > > >working at all. Disable the sound server and then try...things may work > > >now (you may need to reboot). > > > > > >I use nasd and IceWM and have had sound in Flash, all apps, all players, > > >and Firefox for quite some time now. I have yet to try sound in K12LTSP > > >4.4, but I will the first week in August. If you guys get something else > > >working...document it to save me the headache *please?* > > > > > >David N. Trask > > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > >Vassalboro Community School > > >dtrask vcsvikings org > > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > > > Nope. The Gnome sound server is not turned on. Just for grins I turned > > in on. Still nothing. Anyone else have any ideas? I had sound working > > on 4.2 using NASD with Gnome, IceWM, and KDE. Same server, same > > terminal, no sound. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gstreamer.%gconf.xml Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2968 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:35:26 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:35:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld San Francisco Message-ID: Looks like JAM is giving an intro session to LTSP and that there will be an LTSP booth. I'd be glad to come and help if it's needed, since San Francisco is close for me. Is anyone planning for a dinner one night? -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 20 19:44:43 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:44:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld San Francisco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DEA9AB.6010300@paasda.org> Gotta date on this? I'll be in San Fran Sept 25-28. --Huck Steve Hargadon wrote: > Looks like JAM is giving an intro session to LTSP and that there will > be an LTSP booth. I'd be glad to come and help if it's needed, since > San Francisco is close for me. Is anyone planning for a dinner one > night? > From gabriel.lai at etech.net.my Wed Jul 20 19:07:38 2005 From: gabriel.lai at etech.net.my (Gabriel Lai Yong Shern) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:07:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TC Environment with CAD & MS Office Message-ID: <42DEA0FA.3080308@etech.net.my> Hi all, I'm trying to setup a ThinClient environment where it will be running CAD software, MS Office. I've confirm to run on Wine engine, CAD software will be Bricscad Linux Edition. I've tried with root user, it's running perfect. But when I tried to login to user2 account, all these software can't start. I suspect is the Wine Engine is not configured for the user. I need help in solving this problem. Please advice Gabriel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jul 20 20:13:07 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:13:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <42DEB053.2050802@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Ah, attached is Ubuntu's file that goes here: > >/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/% >gconf.xml > >Replacing the default with the one attached, should change the default >system settings. > >-Gadi > Ok, we're getting closer. I tried a different sound card in the terminal and now I have sound. I can't explain that, but I'm not ready to chase that rabbit just yet. I now have "ESD" working and get perfectly synced sound in TuxType. It was always a bit delayed with "NASD." However, I don't have sound in flash or Quicktime. That's a big deal for such edutainment sites as starfall.com. Any further ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Jul 20 20:50:17 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:50:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42DE6705.2040705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42D72E3D.1060004@shaw.ca> <42DDD24C.4060005@shaw.ca> <42DE6705.2040705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42DEB909.5060300@shaw.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> I would appreciate a definitive answer/opinion on the pros and cons of >> going with either the centos EL version, or the Fedora Core 4 version. >> Life cycle/support is not really an issue as in our environment I pretty >> much wipe and reload from scratch every summer. If a better mousetrap >> comes out during the year, I will get it the following summer >> >> This is what I do know. Using the 4.4 pre1 iso's I have loaded a test >> server. Connections from thin clients are fine, and with a little >> tweak, sound is finally working on the thin clients, at least for the >> non web apps. Ktouch has changed a little( no statistics option like >> the old one) but all the programs I need are there, or I can download >> (StarOffice, etc) > > > Liam, > > Release schedules are posted to the list. Here is the last one posted: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-June/msg00612.html > > > > The schedule is slipping a little, as is usual for release schedules. > > The 4.2.1EL version is ready to go, it will be finished real-soon-now. > Probably this weekend. > > The 4.4.0 version has a couple minor issues outstanding. Such as the VNC > service not being enabled by default. I am also looking into fixing the > ktouch statistics. > > > As the previous release-schedule post states, the pre-releases can be > upgraded to the final release by using apt-get, up2date, or yum. You > don't have to re-install. If pre1 or pre2 works for you, go for it. Any > changes made between a pre-release and the final release will be picked > up by the software updates. > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > thanks, that helps alot From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed Jul 20 22:51:04 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] help with /etc/hosts file and 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <42DED558.6060200@jsoft.com> I am working with someone and ran into 'issues' with my /etc/hosts on k12ltsp. He said "having the hostname return a name that maps to 127.0.0.1 is trouble." I have a pretty plain k12ltsp system. The /etc/hosts file includes 127.0.0.1 a.jsoft.com a localhost.localdomain localhost b.jsoft.com a.jsoft.com is the hostname # hostname a.jsoft.com He commented out all the 127.0.0.1 line and put a.jsoft.com and b.jsoft.com in at the bottom associated to their 192.168.1.x address The comment in /etc/hosts suggests it was a BAD idea to remove the line? Soooo 1: is having the hostname return a name that maps to 127.0.0.1 trouble? 2: is removing 127.0.0.1 a bad idea? any and all details that will help me understand are much appreciated. sigh Gary From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jul 20 23:13:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld San Francisco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Thanks for reminding me. I sent out a message about 6 weeks ago, announcing that we'd have a booth at LinuxWorld (Aug 9-11). At that time, I said I'd be sending out another announcement, but somehow, the time got away from me, and I didn't get it out. Anyway, we will indeed be at Linuxworld the week of Aug 8th. We've got a nice booth, and we're looking for volunteers to help out. And, in continuing with our tradition, we'll have an LTSP dinner, probably tuesday or wednesday evening. So if anybody wants to volunteer to help out at the LTSP LinuxWorld booth, we could surely use your help. Even if it's just a couple of hours on one day, it would give someone else a chance to get away from the booth, to rest, or stroll through the show. The LTSP booth at Linux world is always a fun time, and i'm sure that this show will be no different. If you are interested, please send me an email. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > Looks like JAM is giving an intro session to LTSP and that there will > be an LTSP booth. I'd be glad to come and help if it's needed, since > San Francisco is close for me. Is anyone planning for a dinner one > night? > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jul 20 23:17:34 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] TC Environment with CAD & MS Office In-Reply-To: <42DEA0FA.3080308@etech.net.my> References: <42DEA0FA.3080308@etech.net.my> Message-ID: Gabriel, Seems to me that more detail than "Can't start" is needed for us to know what is going wrong. Please give us as much detail as possible, including error messages that show up when you try to run the programs. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Gabriel Lai Yong Shern wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to setup a ThinClient environment where it will be running CAD > software, MS Office. > I've confirm to run on Wine engine, CAD software will be Bricscad Linux > Edition. I've tried with root user, it's running perfect. > But when I tried to login to user2 account, all these software can't start. > > I suspect is the Wine Engine is not configured for the user. I need help in > solving this problem. > > Please advice > Gabriel > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 21 03:21:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:21:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] help with /etc/hosts file and 127.0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <42DED558.6060200@jsoft.com> References: <42DED558.6060200@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1121916085.19958.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 17:51, Gary Frederick wrote: > 1: is having the hostname return a name that maps to 127.0.0.1 trouble? > > 2: is removing 127.0.0.1 a bad idea? > > any and all details that will help me understand are much appreciated. Usually you want: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost in /etc/hosts and all the other names/addresses in DNS. It wouldn't hurt anything to add the other machine names to that line but it could lead to surprises later. For example if you forget doing that and later replace this machine with a new one and change this one's hostname and IP, any attempt from this machine to connect to the new one with its old name will go to the loopback instead. Removing 127.0.0.1 completely is a bad idea because some programs that bind to all interfaces are unhappy if they can't look up a name to match the address. If you come up with the network disconnected and can't reach the DNS server it may take a long time for sendmail, samba, etc. to start - but then they aren't going to work anyway... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 21 10:22:33 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:22:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Applications In-Reply-To: <30d6c8d505072010391e47bbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <30d6c8d505072010391e47bbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42DF7769.4030103@msln.net> Curt, The way I have dealt with the must have windows apps is to put them on a win 2003 terminal server and use rdesktop to access them. HTH Mark Ben Murphy wrote: >I've been trying to get some Windows applications to run both on my >terminal server and on some clients, and have been unsuccessful thus >far. Most of what I've done has been work with Wine, but Wine doesn't >really function well on the clients. How can I run Windows >applications (e.g. Office 2000) on the terminals? > >Thank you, >Ben Murphy > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 21 10:27:38 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:27:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on RHEL 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DF789A.7050306@msln.net> Trae, This a previous post from Eric Harrison; CentOS has a new point-release. There were so many packages updated (~250) that it makes sense to put out one more pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. The only change, besides the ton-o-centos-updates, is the "Get Additional Software" like for Acrobat Reader should now work properly for installing Acrobat 7. Give this puppy a spin & let us know if you find breakage: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre . -Eric I use the Centos4 pre3 release and it has worked well with the hardware I have (Dell 2850). Mark Trae Elmore wrote: >I thought I had heard or read at one time that a version of K12LTSP might would be based on RHEL (or CentOS). > >Am I delusional or was that something actually happening on the fringe? I could see the benefit from a stability standpoint and slower update cycle. Particularly now that RHEL is on the 2.6 kernel. > >Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP >Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking >trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu >(903) 923-3361 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 21 11:30:25 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:30:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot email/IM Message-ID: <42DF8751.1080203@msln.net> Every once in a while I'm asked to retrieve or monitor a child's email. We had a few instances of children IM'ing and emailing threats and also receiving stuff from would be abductors. I know squid will do the http stuff, but what would work on the email? ethereal? and is there a report generator? I looked at keystroke loggers but, those have to be installed before hand and are costly, also that I'm using k12ltsp and a new smb/ldap server (thanks Matt & Dave), the windows software is useless. I do not have control of the email server, so that option is out... for now. Any pointers appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 21 13:24:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:24:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions Message-ID: <000001c58df7$77d5dc70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know of any open source solutions for an information kiosk. I just need something where I can provide half a dozen screens for viewing information and maybe watch some video clips. I am hoping to be able to make a kiosk to say put at the front office entry that display information about the school. Then maybe one to place in a the lobby for orientation where parents can fill in a quick form to submit their addresses and email information. Possibly one to place for information about our website and how to use the technology on campus. These are just random ideas, but you can get the point. I think if I knew of a technology to create this I could put it to good use. This wouldn't necessarily have to be something that would run off of LTSP. A low dollar stand alone machine with x flavor of linux would do. Also this would have to have touch screen capabilities in most cases. Anyone know how linux plays with such a device? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 21 13:38:23 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:38:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <000001c58df7$77d5dc70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c58df7$77d5dc70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42DFA54F.50806@msln.net> >From the ltsp.org home page http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/atk/ltsp_kiosk I've not done this, but if it's on the frontpage of ltsp.org, it should work. Mark Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Does anyone know of any open source solutions for an information kiosk. >I just need something where I can provide half a dozen screens for >viewing information and maybe watch some video clips. > >I am hoping to be able to make a kiosk to say put at the front office >entry that display information about the school. Then maybe one to >place in a the lobby for orientation where parents can fill in a quick >form to submit their addresses and email information. Possibly one to >place for information about our website and how to use the technology on >campus. > >These are just random ideas, but you can get the point. I think if I >knew of a technology to create this I could put it to good use. This >wouldn't necessarily have to be something that would run off of LTSP. A >low dollar stand alone machine with x flavor of linux would do. > >Also this would have to have touch screen capabilities in most cases. >Anyone know how linux plays with such a device? > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 21 13:42:43 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:42:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 and nfs server not responding ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <952499494.1121938963@[10.2.1.193]> Put this problem to bed...Check your hardware drivers :) This is good reading http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding The DHCP links on the same wiki are good. However - if you have not changed the defaults...and you get the "nfs server not responding" check your eth0 ethernet card drivers. The SMC SMC9462TX (ns driver) works great at 100 FD but will not auto or manually link at 1000 on some switches...namely the amer.com SRG type switches...I found another person having the same issue with the same card with Fedora Core 3. I switched the functions of eth0 and eth1 and the 192.168 ( on the on-board intel NIC ) side of the network functions properly at a gig. I followed all the help up the thread and on the wiki (again thank you). Passing items to the kernel did not help and 'echo 0 > /selinux/enforce' did not help. Hence my next post. Luck with GIG ethernet NIC's. Thanks for the help guys, Tom Ventresco From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 21 14:05:57 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:05:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <000001c58df7$77d5dc70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <953893344.1121940357@[10.2.1.193]> > Does anyone know of any open source solutions for an information kiosk. > I just need something where I can provide half a dozen screens for > viewing information and maybe watch some video clips. A student of mine built a kiosk on Mandrake 10.someting last year. It automatically logins, only app is a kiosk hardened firefox. Can get you more info if you like. There is a web server and FTP server running. You can work out the details of how you do content updates. Another kiosk built by the same student burns a CD with all the open source apps we use plus a back up of students home drives :) Soooo clean. >Also this would have to have touch screen capabilities in most cases. >Anyone know how linux plays with such a device? The touch screens I have configured are serial mice :) :) works fine. Tom Ventresco From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 21 14:17:09 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:17:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit over Cat5 NICS - for Fedora 3 In-Reply-To: <42DF8751.1080203@msln.net> Message-ID: <954565134.1121941029@[10.2.1.193]> Hi, What NIC cards are you using for your servers ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 21 14:21:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:21:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <953893344.1121940357@[10.2.1.193]> Message-ID: <000401c58dff$78e270d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > A student of mine built a kiosk on Mandrake 10.someting last > year. It > automatically logins, only app is a kiosk hardened firefox. > Can get you > more info if you like. There is a web server and FTP server > running. You > can work out the details of how you do content updates. > Another kiosk > built by the same student burns a CD with all the open source > apps we use > plus a back up of students home drives :) Soooo clean. Everything I have seen in Linux is always for a kiosk with a browser. So how do you develop the app for this? Is this usually just done with a flash animation or something? I don't really want internet access at these terminals. Just a menu driven system to navigate between 5 or 10 screens with information. Maybe a better question is what format do most use for the presentation to be played in Firefox in an open source kiosk? (Flash, php, html, etc) And yes, if you have a link to any information that would be great. thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jul 21 14:27:39 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:27:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit over Cat5 NICS - for Fedora 3 In-Reply-To: <954565134.1121941029@[10.2.1.193]> References: <954565134.1121941029@[10.2.1.193]> Message-ID: <1121956059.29182.3.camel@techstation> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 10:17 -0400, aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > Hi, > What NIC cards are you using for your servers ? Intel Pro 1000 GT (technically a desktop card, but works pretty well) and the Broadcom (tigon3 driver) embedded on the Tyan Motherboard I'm using. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:35:23 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:35:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <000401c58dff$78e270d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <953893344.1121940357@10.2.1.193> <000401c58dff$78e270d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0507210735598622a0@mail.gmail.com> If you don't want internet access, set the proxy to 127.0.0.1 and use a local file system for your kiosk. On 21/07/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > A student of mine built a kiosk on Mandrake 10.someting last > > year. It > > automatically logins, only app is a kiosk hardened firefox. > > Can get you > > more info if you like. There is a web server and FTP server > > running. You > > can work out the details of how you do content updates. > > Another kiosk > > built by the same student burns a CD with all the open source > > apps we use > > plus a back up of students home drives :) Soooo clean. > > Everything I have seen in Linux is always for a kiosk with a browser. > So how do you develop the app for this? Is this usually just done with > a flash animation or something? I don't really want internet access at > these terminals. Just a menu driven system to navigate between 5 or 10 > screens with information. > > Maybe a better question is what format do most use for the presentation > to be played in Firefox in an open source kiosk? (Flash, php, html, > etc) > > And yes, if you have a link to any information that would be great. > > thanks > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Jul 21 14:45:12 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:45:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <000401c58dff$78e270d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <956248054.1121942712@[10.2.1.193]> > Everything I have seen in Linux is always for a kiosk with a browser. > So how do you develop the app for this? Is this usually just done with > a flash animation or something? I don't really want internet access at > these terminals. Just a menu driven system to navigate between 5 or 10 > screens with information. Maybe a better question is what format do most >use for the presentation to be played in Firefox in an open source kiosk? >(Flash, php, html, > etc) First, these two kiosks are not thins. A distro is loaded on the local drive. There is not a new app here, just a web browser and web pages. Use what ever web technology you wish ;) We use mostly PHP and plain old HTML. A nice FLASH navigation buttons would work. The idea here was to be able to reproduce the setup for other kiosks and updaye them remotely. Stay tuned I will gather the particulars. Tom V. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 21 14:46:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:46:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0507210735598622a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c58e02$fc9466b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > If you don't want internet access, set the proxy to 127.0.0.1 > and use a local file system for your kiosk. I guess the more I think about it, an simple website with all of the information would be very easy. And as long as it runs full screen with no navigation buttons it wouldn't look like a website. Any suggestions for touch screen stuff? I am worried about linux drivers to support this. I know a low budget thing is to give a mouse, but they want this to be "impressive" technology. You know, to show how advanced our school is among others. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hendersonh at unit5.org Thu Jul 21 14:52:01 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:52:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Question Message-ID: We have a program which runs out of a directory on our servers. Basic Appserver setup. however, the two systems the company supports are Windows (obviously and Novell). Question, I have 3 linux servers along with 1 Windows server and 30 Netware servers which I need to run this Appserver off of. The trick isn't running the Application or even running it from the Linux server as that works fine. The problem comes in as their Application to keep this directory synchronized with the Master server runs as a Java app. They have commands for the Netware and Windows servers to set this sync in motion, but nothing for a linux setup. Now, I am betting that if it runs on Netware 6.5 (which it does), I can probably run it on linux as well. The following commands are what is needed to tell the update where to place files and where to run from. Netware Setup [Restart Command] java -classpath vol1:applicationdirectory\usi;$CLASSPATH com.DAS.DAS 2701 [Storage Directory] vol1:applicationdirectory [Extract Directory] vol1:applicationdirectory Port in statement is 2701 (So I assume I would have to open this in the firewall). I can handle this. path to the application directories is the only hangup I think I have. Would I issue java -classpath /home/applicationdirectory/usi;$CLASSPATH com.DAS.DAS 2701 /home/applicationdirectory /home/applicationdirectory ? I haven't tried this on the Linux servers yet, but I thought I would get an idea of what Java was wanting since I haven't dealt with many Java apps before. Heath Henderson Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 "Computers, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't!" From gabriel.lai at etech.net.my Thu Jul 21 14:33:56 2005 From: gabriel.lai at etech.net.my (Gabriel Lai Yong Shern) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:33:56 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TC Environment with CAD & MS Office Message-ID: <42DFB254.9000700@etech.net.my> Hi Jim The error that shown up from Wine is wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory I have to setup wine for all local users (eg: root, user1, user2, user2....etc) then only the Bricscad program and MS Office will be able to run in Linux. Please advice Gabriel Message: 20 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim McQuillan Subject: Re: [K12OSN] TC Environment with CAD & MS Office To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Gabriel, Seems to me that more detail than "Can't start" is needed for us to know what is going wrong. Please give us as much detail as possible, including error messages that show up when you try to run the programs. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org -- Please do not hesitate to contact myself for further assistance. Thank you. Best regards, Gabriel Lai Yong Shern Technical Manager Mobile: +6012.931.5160 E-mail: gabriel.lai at etech.net.my E Technology Computer Resources Sdn. Bhd. 15, Jalan Laksamana Cheng Ho 2, Taman Laksamana Cheng Ho, 75050 Melaka, Malaysia. 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Unfortunately some of the clients require usb-ohci while others uhci. Is there a way, short of hard-coding the MAC addresses, of providing a switch (if else sort of thing) in the ltp.conf file to allow this easily? Regards, William From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 21 19:39:55 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:39:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess Message-ID: <42DFFA0B.4010606@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I accidentally changed the permissions of all the directories in /home to be owned by "root." can someone tell me how to change the "owner" back to the individual user. Perhaps a bash script (which I know nothing about) that will scan /home and change the the owner to the name of the directory? Example: directory aabrown should be owned by aabrown. Any help would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The secret of creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Albert Einstein From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Jul 21 20:15:28 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (wescott at sc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess Message-ID: > I accidentally changed the permissions of all the directories in > /home to be owned by "root." can someone tell me how to change the > "owner" back to the individual user. Perhaps a bash script (which I > know nothing about) that will scan /home and change the the owner to the > name of the directory? Example: directory aabrown should be owned by > aabrown. Any help would be appreciated. Just the directories? Try this (as root) cd /home for i in * do chown $i $i done -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 21 20:17:44 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:17:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess In-Reply-To: <42DFFA0B.4010606@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DFFA0B.4010606@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121977064.7132.5.camel@ws036.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 15:39, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I accidentally changed the permissions of all the directories in > /home to be owned by "root." can someone tell me how to change the > "owner" back to the individual user. Perhaps a bash script (which I > know nothing about) that will scan /home and change the the owner to the > name of the directory? Example: directory aabrown should be owned by > aabrown. Any help would be appreciated. Mark, This is not fancy but it should work. Test it in a test directory first :-) #!/bin/bash for I in `ls /path/to/directory/` do chown $I. $I done -- John From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 21 20:28:11 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:28:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess Message-ID: <42E0055B.9060604@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Just the directories? Try this (as root) > >cd /home >for i in * >do >chown $i $i >done > >-- > Mike Wescott > wescott sc rr com > Now that you mention it, no. I appears that I not only hosed the directories but the subdirectories and files within them as well. When I screw up I do it big. -- C-ya, Mark ____ It was illegal to sell ET dolls in France because there is a law against selling dolls without human faces. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jul 21 20:21:48 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:21:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess In-Reply-To: <42DFFA0B.4010606@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42DFFA0B.4010606@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <42E003DC.1070507@parkrose.k12.or.us> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I accidentally changed the permissions of all the directories in > /home to be owned by "root." can someone tell me how to change the > "owner" back to the individual user. Perhaps a bash script (which I > know nothing about) that will scan /home and change the the owner to the > name of the directory? Example: directory aabrown should be owned by > aabrown. Any help would be appreciated. $ cd /home $ for each in *; do chown -R $each $each; done Salt to taste! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 21 20:35:08 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:35:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess In-Reply-To: <42E0055B.9060604@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42E0055B.9060604@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1121978108.7132.12.camel@ws036.ltsp> use the -R switch ie: chown -R On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 16:28, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > > >Just the directories? Try this (as root) > > > >cd /home > >for i in * > >do > >chown $i $i > >done > > > >-- > > Mike Wescott > > wescott sc rr com > > > > Now that you mention it, no. I appears that I not only hosed the > directories but the subdirectories and files within them as well. When > I screw up I do it big. -- John From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 21 20:42:42 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:42:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Directory Permissions -- Help me clean up my mess Message-ID: <42E008C2.50405@honeygroveisd.net> > > >$ cd /home >$ for each in *; do chown -R $each $each; done > >Salt to taste! > >-- >Dan Young >Parkrose School District > Beautiful! Some day when I'm not working 70 hours a week just to keep things from falling apart at the seams I gonna have to learn my way around the Linux command line. I knew it had to be easy. Thanks to all to responded. -- C-ya, Mark ____ It was illegal to sell ET dolls in France because there is a law against selling dolls without human faces. From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Thu Jul 21 21:26:54 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:26:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] still having problems booting via PXE with broadcom 5751 integrated cards Message-ID: My lab of Dell Precision 370's still isn't booting successfully. Jim thanks for the tip on adding the 'NIC=tg3' paramaeter to the default pxeconf file. Unfortunately that didn't work. The message that appears says that it cannot detect the NIC. I have now tried this with both FC3 based k12ltsp and the new CentOS based k12ltsp (which seems faster and more responsive on the server). Googling on this issue has netted me only the same suggestion that Jim has given me (which I do appreciate the response). How have others gotten the Dell integrated broadcom 5751 cards to work with ltsp via PXE? The workstations work great with a local install of either CentOS 3.x, 4.x and FC3. Getting this to work will give us tremendous flexibility with the lab. Thanks for the help. Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (903) 923-3361 From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Thu Jul 21 21:37:45 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:37:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp torrent Message-ID: I have a torrent for version 4.2.1 here http://www.tstc-e.com/~teelmore/k12ltsp-4.2.1-cd1-5.torrent Feel free to share. Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (903) 923-3361 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu Jul 21 23:03:10 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:03:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05071823251b373085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507212304.j6LN4OAh002833@dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz> I used the rescue disk and created ln -s Now when I try to log in as root it goes directly to the message "The system administrator has disabled your account." I have got a feeling this has something to do with SMBLDAP, but I don't know where to start looking. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jon Spriggs Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 6:26 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) Firstly, to quote Douglas Adams:- Don't panic! Next, try running this command su -c 'ln -s /root /home/root' If that doesn't work, try rebooting the box and editing the boot line for your kernel (in Grub) adding the letter S (with a space before it) on the end. This takes it into single-user mode, where you can type ln -s /root /home/root If that doesn't work, reboot from any redhat or fedora based disk, and enter recovery mode. This is one of the boot options, and should be described there. Hope that helps :) Jon On 19/07/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I don't know if I did something but I can't log in as root at all. Not > through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote login > with cygwin and not even directly at the server. > > The message I get is "Your home directory is listed as: '/home/root' but it > does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory > as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work unless you > use a failsafe session." > > > > When I choose yes it says, "The system administrator has disabled your > account." > > > > I am using SMB-LDAP. > > > > I need to access the root account. What should I do? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 22 13:51:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] when is release happening? In-Reply-To: <42DE6705.2040705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <000901c58ec4$66f31cb0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> SNIP------ The 4.4.0 version has a couple minor issues outstanding. Such as the VNC service not being enabled by default. I am also looking into fixing the ktouch statistics. END SNIP------ 1. The "No volume control elements and/or devices found." Error shows up on all clients since the server does not have a sound card. 2. When I try to start Gcompris, Celestia space simulator and Blender nothing happens. All I get is an hour glass for a few seconds and it goes away. 3. When I run Inkscape I get an error about "One or more extensions failed to load". 4. I needed to enable VNC with the following directions: Take a look at the file /etc/xinetd.d/vncts, And change all the disable = yes to disable = no. Then do a /etc/init.d/xinetd restart. I think that was all I did to make it work again.. So far that is all I have seen. This is a completely yum-to-date version of 4.4 installed yesterday. On the bright side, this version is awesome! I am not even talking about bells and whistles yet. The speed, look and feel of the window manager along with all of the application updates makes this version very presentable. A lot of the programs that were clunky in the past and a little unstable are very nice now. Thanks to anyone involved for all the hard work. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Jul 22 16:16:11 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:16:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> Les, I did a little work with getting pxegrub compiled (it was a real pain if I recall correctly...finding a compilable source file stinks... I think you should get the tar from the SRPM). I eventually did get it working in my VMware test thin-client, but I couldn't get the Intel 1000 (gigabit) drivers to work on some of my newer machines (had to compile/patch the source and it still wouldn't initialize the card correctly). Here's some links I gathered: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/iainr/documentation/dcs_remote_boot/t1.html http://www.hp.uab.edu/~ed/grub-net http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~steinarh/grub/tutorial.html http://wiki.splitbrain.org/ding:netboot http://osdev.berlios.de/netboot.html Hope some of this helps... I am probably going to revisit it this fall (I don't like the basic PXELINUX (aka Syslinux/isolinux) text boot, and I can't get the menu.c32 running). Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Les Mikesell > To: Ben Murphy , Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:47:38 -0500 > > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 11:42, Ben Murphy wrote: > > > That's kind of disappointing, but thank you. Will PCMCIA support be > > included in later builds of LTSP? > > I'm curious as to how you got that far. What laptop/card combo was > able to load a kernel with PXE? > > Meanwhile, if they have CD's you can boot knoppix into runlevel 2 or > 3 and start 'X -query server' to get a remote desktop. Or the > pxelinux boot cd might work. > > On a slightly related note: has anyone tried to set up grub for > network booting? I saw something a while back that made me think > you could PXE or etherboot grub instead of a kernel - or load it > from a local disk, then have a menu that would allow either a > local or network boot to continue. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 22 16:20:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:20:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:16, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I did a little work with getting pxegrub compiled (it was a real pain if > I recall correctly...finding a compilable source file stinks... I think > you should get the tar from the SRPM). Thanks. I may not use it if it isn't easy, but it sounded useful to have options that could be selected at the client at boot time. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists at misato.us Fri Jul 22 16:24:48 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:24:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:16, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > >>I did a little work with getting pxegrub compiled (it was a real pain if >>I recall correctly...finding a compilable source file stinks... I think >>you should get the tar from the SRPM). >> >> > >Thanks. I may not use it if it isn't easy, but it sounded useful to >have options that could be selected at the client at boot time. > > > I would suggest pxelinux (it's a pxe derivative of syslinux) which is pretty easy to use. I set it up once a couple years ago, could say how to now. Jason From lists at misato.us Fri Jul 22 16:42:19 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:42:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> Message-ID: <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> Jason Straw wrote: >Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:16, Henry Burroughs wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>I did a little work with getting pxegrub compiled (it was a real pain if >>>I recall correctly...finding a compilable source file stinks... I think >>>you should get the tar from the SRPM). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks. I may not use it if it isn't easy, but it sounded useful to >>have options that could be selected at the client at boot time. >> >> >> >> >> >I would suggest pxelinux (it's a pxe derivative of syslinux) which is >pretty easy to use. > >I set it up once a couple years ago, could say how to now. > >Jason > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > One of these days I will remember how to type/spell ;)... "couldn't say how to set it up now" was what I meant... Jason From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jul 22 17:03:16 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:03:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions Message-ID: <57E837EF6320464EA38A18999A88B21E44CE8F@xms.papcs.com> The touch screen technology I'm familiar with works as though it's a mouse, so I suspect it would work pretty much right out of the box. Doug -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: July 21, 2005 7:47 AM To: 'Jon Spriggs'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions > If you don't want internet access, set the proxy to 127.0.0.1 > and use a local file system for your kiosk. I guess the more I think about it, an simple website with all of the information would be very easy. And as long as it runs full screen with no navigation buttons it wouldn't look like a website. Any suggestions for touch screen stuff? I am worried about linux drivers to support this. I know a low budget thing is to give a mouse, but they want this to be "impressive" technology. You know, to show how advanced our school is among others. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Jul 22 17:15:16 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:15:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <57E837EF6320464EA38A18999A88B21E44CE8F@xms.papcs.com> References: <57E837EF6320464EA38A18999A88B21E44CE8F@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <1122052516.1473.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have helped some in the past get Microtouch touchscreens working on LTSP (which requires mutouch driver already included in ltsp kernel + a static XF86CONFIG_FILE) NOTE: *serial* Microtouch touch screens are much easier than USB Microtouch touchscreens On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 10:03 -0700, Doug Gough wrote: > The touch screen technology I'm familiar with works as though it's a > mouse, so I suspect it would work pretty much right out of the box. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: July 21, 2005 7:47 AM > To: 'Jon Spriggs'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions > > > If you don't want internet access, set the proxy to 127.0.0.1 > > and use a local file system for your kiosk. > > I guess the more I think about it, an simple website with all of the > information would be very easy. And as long as it runs full screen with > no navigation buttons it wouldn't look like a website. > > Any suggestions for touch screen stuff? I am worried about linux > drivers to support this. > > I know a low budget thing is to give a mouse, but they want this to be > "impressive" technology. You know, to show how advanced our school is > among others. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From scott at hosef.org Fri Jul 22 19:48:28 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:48:28 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> Message-ID: <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> If we are talking about making it an option in grub to boot the workstation as a thin-client, we do this in one of our labs that tri-boots as a windows stand-alone, a debian stand-alone, or a thin client. All that we did was to get a hold of a bootable image (either from rom-o-matic or the UBF, I forget which after a year), placed it in /boot, and addded a LTSP line in grub.conf (menu.1st) that pointed to the image. We already had a distro installed on the hd, so editing grub was easy. If this is what you seek to do, I can get more specific info when I am at the lab tomorrow. If I missed something, sorry. --scott From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 22 21:38:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:38:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1122068319.16603.95.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 14:48, R. Scott Belford wrote: > If we are talking about making it an option in grub to boot the > workstation as a thin-client, we do this in one of our labs that > tri-boots as a windows stand-alone, a debian stand-alone, or a thin > client. All that we did was to get a hold of a bootable image (either > from rom-o-matic or the UBF, I forget which after a year), placed it in > /boot, and addded a LTSP line in grub.conf (menu.1st) that pointed to > the image. > > We already had a distro installed on the hd, so editing grub was easy. > If this is what you seek to do, I can get more specific info when I am > at the lab tomorrow. If I missed something, sorry. That covers one of the likely situations where I would want to use it. Another would be to network-boot grub to a new machine with menu choices that offer running as a thin client or installing a system locally. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ted at hisurf.com Fri Jul 22 23:10:30 2005 From: ted at hisurf.com (Ted Kanemori) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:10:30 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 upgrade In-Reply-To: <000901c58ec4$66f31cb0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000001c58f12$8ec44d60$6a01a8c0@fastguy> We have a 4.0.1, 28 station K12LTSP lab. For the time being the kids are using floppy access to save their work. We'd like to upgrade to 4.4.0 and start using thumb (flash) drives. I did a clean install of 4.4.0 on a "test" system and the flash drive shows up on the system console and a copy of the flash drive shows up on the clients. GREAT. If the kids were to use their individual flash drive on their thin client, it shows up in the floppy access as drive "U" and works fine. GREAT. So, if I were to do a clean install on the server (like this was a new install), the flash drives would work as expected. I reloaded the "test" system with 4.0.1 and "upgraded" it to 4.4.0. I've done the yum update and upgrade. 1. The server desktop looks very much like the 4.0.1 desktop and that's okay. 2. Plugging the flash drive into the server has the flash drive icon showing up on the clients and that's okay. 3. When the students plug their individual thumb drive in their client and start floppy access, there is no "U" drive. MToolsFM is at 1.9-3. On the client hooked up to the "upgraded" 4.4.0 server, floppy access shows only "Harddisk" and "A". The student can save to the floppy but there is no flash drive to save to. On the client hooked up to the "scratch install" 4.4.0 server, floppy access showed "Harddisk", "A" and "U". In this case. the student can save to their floppy or flash drive. Do I need to do something else to get "U" to show up in "floppy access" on the upgraded system? --Ted From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 22 23:21:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:21:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 upgrade In-Reply-To: <000001c58f12$8ec44d60$6a01a8c0@fastguy> References: <000001c58f12$8ec44d60$6a01a8c0@fastguy> Message-ID: <42E17F6A.1090907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Ted Kanemori wrote: > I reloaded the "test" system with 4.0.1 and "upgraded" it to 4.4.0. > I've done the yum update and upgrade. > 1. The server desktop looks very much like the 4.0.1 desktop and that's > okay. You can run this command to switch your existing users from the 4.0.x-style desktop to the 4.2.x & 4.4.x style desktop: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/reset-all-desktops > 2. Plugging the flash drive into the server has the flash drive icon showing > up on the clients and that's okay. > > 3. When the students plug their individual thumb drive in their client and > start floppy access, there is no "U" drive. > MToolsFM is at 1.9-3. > On the client hooked up to the "upgraded" 4.4.0 server, floppy access shows > only "Harddisk" and "A". > The student can save to the floppy but there is no flash drive to save to. > > On the client hooked up to the "scratch install" 4.4.0 server, floppy access > showed "Harddisk", "A" and "U". > In this case. the student can save to their floppy or flash drive. > > Do I need to do something else to get "U" to show up in "floppy access" on > the upgraded system? Looks like you need to nuke the old mtools config file in each user's home directory. Start off by testing your own account: rm -f ~/.mtoolsfm and log out & log back in. If it works as expected, then this command will do the same for all of your users: rm -f /home/*/.mtoolsfm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 23 00:01:11 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:01:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D80DB5.5020902@math.univ-lille1.fr> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> <40D80DB5.5020902@math.univ-lille1.fr> Message-ID: <42E188C7.80005@cmosnetworks.com> Zouhir Hafidi wrote: > norbert a ?crit : > >> Salut / Hi >> >> Les stations Sparc utilise RARP pour se lancer, du moins c'est ceque >> les miens exige..... > > > :-) > >> >> The Sparc stations require RARP to launch.. anyway thats what mine >> require. > > > just update OpenBoot ... > > ZH Yesterday, I demo'd this very setup for Thomas Jefferson HS out here in Fairfax, VA, and in preparing for said demo, I learned a few things. Mr. Hafidi is right; you've got to update OpenBoot to v3.31. It was in v3.31 that DHCP booting became supported in addition to the old RARP method. Yes, at last, I finally had time to try this. It works, and pretty well, given that Ultra 5's have built-in 100BaseTX/FullDuplex NICs built into them. :-) This is good, because I have several Ultra 5's waiting to be used as thin clients. However, I needed to modify two lines in the file /opt/ltsp/sparc/etc/lts.conf in order for the mouse to be recognized. X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" My changes for my Ultra 5's were the following. X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "busmouse" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/sunmouse" I learned that, to update OpenBoot, you've got to have Slowaris installed on the SPARC's hard disk. My guess is that it's because the Solaris boot loader likes the firmware updater program better than SILO does. With GNU/Linux and SILO installed, when you run the OB updater, you get a "FATAL ERROR" message saying that the ELF binary has more than one entry point, so sorry, better luck next time. Looking for a way to do this with a Free Software OS instead of Slowaris, I then installed OpenBSD and tried updating the firmware, but sadly, a similar error pops up with OpenBSD's boot loader. Oh well, it takes about 40 minutes to install Solaris 8 on these boxes. I did so with one hard disk and used that hard disk for all of my other Ultra 5's. This saved several hours. Once all this is done, this "old" UltraSPARC came right up with the K12LTSP login screen. The UltraSPARC's hard disk can now be removed. The only thing bad that happens is that TuxType crashes with an X11 opcode error, though TuxMath doesn't. I believe that this is because the X11 version here is an early release candidate of XFree86 4.4.0 and not the final version. I imagine that a later version of XFree86 or X.org would work fine; I just haven't had time to compile it and try it yet. Interestingly enough, I had previously had Red Hat Linux 6.2 for the UltraSPARC installed on it and simply popped "X -query 172.16.3.254 &" at the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Why such an ancient version of RHL? It works, that's why. :-) The nice part for software testing purposes is that RHL 6.2 has XFree86 3.3.6, which, as it happened, allowed me to see if I could repro this issue with an older X11 version. TuxType was happy as a clam with 3.3.6. TuxMath didn't seem to mind either way, though. Ah well, hardly a show-stopper. The end result: I now have a single K12LTSP server that can netboot x86, PMac 52x0, and SPARC boxes as thin clients...simultaneously. How? I have four NICs in this box--three inside, one outside, like so. eth0 = inside, 172.16.0.254/24, Gig-E fiber (x86 terminals) eth1 = outside, DHCP, 100BaseTX copper (to the main bldg. LAN) eth2 = inside, 172.16.2.254/24, 100BaseTX copper (PMac terminals) eth3 = inside, 172.16.3.254/24, Gig-E copper (SPARC terminals) Each of these subnets and NICs is sitting in its own VLAN, and all the thin client subnets are being served by dhcpd on the K12LTSP server. Life is good. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 23 01:04:20 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <42E188C7.80005@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> <40D80DB5.5020902@math.univ-lille1.fr> <42E188C7.80005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell, Very cool stuff, i'm wondering where you got the /opt/ltsp/sparc treen. Also, you are using 3 nics to serve the various archetectures, but that's hardly necessary. I just want to point out that you can have logic in the dhcpd.conf file to detect the dhcp-vendor-id, and hand out the required information based on that id. There's notes for doing that at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_co Also, while your on the wiki, if you could post your Sparc info on the http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures page, that would be great. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Zouhir Hafidi wrote: > > > norbert a ?crit : > > > > > Salut / Hi > > > > > > Les stations Sparc utilise RARP pour se lancer, du moins c'est ceque les > > > miens exige..... > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > The Sparc stations require RARP to launch.. anyway thats what mine > > > require. > > > > > > just update OpenBoot ... > > > > ZH > > > > Yesterday, I demo'd this very setup for Thomas Jefferson HS out here in > Fairfax, VA, and in preparing for said demo, I learned a few things. > > Mr. Hafidi is right; you've got to update OpenBoot to v3.31. It was in v3.31 > that DHCP booting became supported in addition to the old RARP method. Yes, > at last, I finally had time to try this. It works, and pretty well, given > that Ultra 5's have built-in 100BaseTX/FullDuplex NICs built into them. :-) > This is good, because I have several Ultra 5's waiting to be used as thin > clients. However, I needed to modify two lines in the file > /opt/ltsp/sparc/etc/lts.conf in order for the mouse to be recognized. > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > > My changes for my Ultra 5's were the following. > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "busmouse" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/sunmouse" > > I learned that, to update OpenBoot, you've got to have Slowaris installed on > the SPARC's hard disk. My guess is that it's because the Solaris boot loader > likes the firmware updater program better than SILO does. With GNU/Linux and > SILO installed, when you run the OB updater, you get a "FATAL ERROR" message > saying that the ELF binary has more than one entry point, so sorry, better > luck next time. Looking for a way to do this with a Free Software OS instead > of Slowaris, I then installed OpenBSD and tried updating the firmware, but > sadly, a similar error pops up with OpenBSD's boot loader. Oh well, it takes > about 40 minutes to install Solaris 8 on these boxes. I did so with one hard > disk and used that hard disk for all of my other Ultra 5's. This saved > several hours. > > Once all this is done, this "old" UltraSPARC came right up with the K12LTSP > login screen. The UltraSPARC's hard disk can now be removed. > > The only thing bad that happens is that TuxType crashes with an X11 opcode > error, though TuxMath doesn't. I believe that this is because the X11 version > here is an early release candidate of XFree86 4.4.0 and not the final version. > I imagine that a later version of XFree86 or X.org would work fine; I just > haven't had time to compile it and try it yet. Interestingly enough, I had > previously had Red Hat Linux 6.2 for the UltraSPARC installed on it and simply > popped "X -query 172.16.3.254 &" at the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Why such > an ancient version of RHL? It works, that's why. :-) The nice part for > software testing purposes is that RHL 6.2 has XFree86 3.3.6, which, as it > happened, allowed me to see if I could repro this issue with an older X11 > version. TuxType was happy as a clam with 3.3.6. TuxMath didn't seem to mind > either way, though. Ah well, hardly a show-stopper. > > The end result: I now have a single K12LTSP server that can netboot x86, PMac > 52x0, and SPARC boxes as thin clients...simultaneously. How? I have four > NICs in this box--three inside, one outside, like so. > > eth0 = inside, 172.16.0.254/24, Gig-E fiber (x86 terminals) > eth1 = outside, DHCP, 100BaseTX copper (to the main bldg. LAN) > eth2 = inside, 172.16.2.254/24, 100BaseTX copper (PMac terminals) > eth3 = inside, 172.16.3.254/24, Gig-E copper (SPARC terminals) > > Each of these subnets and NICs is sitting in its own VLAN, and all the thin > client subnets are being served by dhcpd on the K12LTSP server. Life is good. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ted at hisurf.com Sat Jul 23 01:31:33 2005 From: ted at hisurf.com (Ted Kanemori) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:31:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 upgrade In-Reply-To: <42E17F6A.1090907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <000601c58f26$4360be30$6a01a8c0@fastguy> Eric, The commands that you suggested work just as you said. Everything is as it should be. Thanks, Ted -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:21 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 upgrade Ted Kanemori wrote: > I reloaded the "test" system with 4.0.1 and "upgraded" it to 4.4.0. > I've done the yum update and upgrade. > 1. The server desktop looks very much like the 4.0.1 desktop and that's > okay. You can run this command to switch your existing users from the 4.0.x-style desktop to the 4.2.x & 4.4.x style desktop: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/reset-all-desktops > 2. Plugging the flash drive into the server has the flash drive icon showing > up on the clients and that's okay. > > 3. When the students plug their individual thumb drive in their client and > start floppy access, there is no "U" drive. > MToolsFM is at 1.9-3. > On the client hooked up to the "upgraded" 4.4.0 server, floppy access shows > only "Harddisk" and "A". > The student can save to the floppy but there is no flash drive to save to. > > On the client hooked up to the "scratch install" 4.4.0 server, floppy access > showed "Harddisk", "A" and "U". > In this case. the student can save to their floppy or flash drive. > > Do I need to do something else to get "U" to show up in "floppy access" on > the upgraded system? Looks like you need to nuke the old mtools config file in each user's home directory. Start off by testing your own account: rm -f ~/.mtoolsfm and log out & log back in. If it works as expected, then this command will do the same for all of your users: rm -f /home/*/.mtoolsfm -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 23 04:05:03 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:05:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> <40D80DB5.5020902@math.univ-lille1.fr> <42E188C7.80005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <42E1C1EF.8030807@cmosnetworks.com> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Very cool stuff, i'm wondering where you got the /opt/ltsp/sparc treen. > > >Also, while your on the wiki, if you could post your Sparc info on the >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures page, that would >be great. > Posted, along with the location of the /opt/ltsp/sparc tree. BTW, the kids thought that PXE-booting Dell Optiplexes was kinda cool--way faster than running the Windows XP that was on the hard disks. But when they saw those Sun boxes netbooting, they thought that was Ultra-Cool (TM). Only one of them, out of the 25-30 kids there, had ever actually used a SPARC box before, so they were definitely soaking up some geek coolness-factor points there. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 23 14:45:26 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:45:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1122129926.4093.7.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 09:48 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > We already had a distro installed on the hd, so editing grub was easy. > If this is what you seek to do, I can get more specific info when I am > at the lab tomorrow. If I missed something, sorry. > > --scott Hey Scott, I would appreciate any hints you have on getting this to work. I found some instructions on using the NT/XP boot loader http://wiki.etherboot.org/pmwiki.php/Main/LoadingEtherbootWithNTLoader but using grub would be better. We need to do this for Win 2000 machines and maybe 98 also. Thanks, John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 23 16:31:40 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:31:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf Message-ID: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: @users soft rss 512000 @users soft memlock 256000 @users soft as 768000 # Set to 7168 by RH defaults #@users soft nproc 5000 Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of course, to your memory allocations etc. " From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 23 16:50:30 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: John, It's interesting, but i'm wondering why your subject line suggests setting it in lts.conf. That wouldnt' be the correct place, as the purpose of the lts.conf file is to configure various attributes of the thin client. The client doesn't know anything about the user or applications, so it wouldn't have any ability to enforce such limits. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? > > > " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits > in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: > > @users soft rss 512000 > @users soft memlock 256000 > @users soft as 768000 > # Set to 7168 by RH defaults > #@users soft nproc 5000 > > Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a > runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system > into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of > course, to your memory allocations etc. " > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jul 23 17:31:01 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:31:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1122139861.4093.32.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> oops I have been editing lts.conf a lot the last few days - got it on the brain :-/ but limits.conf looks like something that could be of real use in this environment. I've wondered before if someone wanted to, could they purposely use up all the RAM. BTW - I'm using the Term 150 that you sell on your site here at home. Even hanging off a very modest "server" it is very quick. Very nice device. John On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 12:50 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > John, > > It's interesting, but i'm wondering why your subject line suggests > setting it in lts.conf. That wouldnt' be the correct place, as the > purpose of the lts.conf file is to configure various attributes of the > thin client. The client doesn't know anything about the user or > applications, so it wouldn't have any ability to enforce such limits. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? > > > > > > " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits > > in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: > > > > @users soft rss 512000 > > @users soft memlock 256000 > > @users soft as 768000 > > # Set to 7168 by RH defaults > > #@users soft nproc 5000 > > > > Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a > > runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system > > into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of > > course, to your memory allocations etc. " > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 23 17:46:07 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <1122139861.4093.32.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> <1122139861.4093.32.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > oops > > I have been editing lts.conf a lot the last few days - got it on the > brain :-/ I know the feeling :) > > but limits.conf looks like something that could be of real use in this > environment. I've wondered before if someone wanted to, could they > purposely use up all the RAM. Yes, a single person could consume all of the resources available, so it's a good thing that things like 'limits.conf' exist. > > BTW - I'm using the Term 150 that you sell on your site here at home. > Even hanging off a very modest "server" it is very quick. Very nice > device. Ah, great to hear that you like it. Of all the terminals that we sell, my favorite is still the T-150. It's fast, flexible and quiet, Thanks, JIm McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > John > > > On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 12:50 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > John, > > > > It's interesting, but i'm wondering why your subject line suggests > > setting it in lts.conf. That wouldnt' be the correct place, as the > > purpose of the lts.conf file is to configure various attributes of the > > thin client. The client doesn't know anything about the user or > > applications, so it wouldn't have any ability to enforce such limits. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > > > Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? > > > > > > > > > " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits > > > in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: > > > > > > @users soft rss 512000 > > > @users soft memlock 256000 > > > @users soft as 768000 > > > # Set to 7168 by RH defaults > > > #@users soft nproc 5000 > > > > > > Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a > > > runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system > > > into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of > > > course, to your memory allocations etc. " > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Sat Jul 23 18:28:29 2005 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:28:29 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: <1121806058.3108.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <30d6c8d505071908527c2160b2@mail.gmail.com> <30d6c8d50507190942668d0527@mail.gmail.com> <1121806058.3108.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42E28C4D.9040008@edu.vantaa.fi> >On a slightly related note: has anyone tried to set up grub for >network booting? I saw something a while back that made me think >you could PXE or etherboot grub instead of a kernel - or load it >from a local disk, then have a menu that would allow either a >local or network boot to continue. > > > Yep, I have made it with LILO (can't tremember why but i had prblem's with confing grub..), and being a total linux-novice, it was easy. I have a homeserver and 4 old laptops with wireless-LTSP, local LINUX and DOS/Win98 bootmenu. 1 second to choose, then you go for LTSP. And LTSP is what my wife, 5 year old son and myself are using. mikkoj From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 19:33:21 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changes to dhcpd.conf for PCMCIA Booting In-Reply-To: <42E28C4D.9040008@edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <20050723193321.64032.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mikko Jordman wrote: > Yep, I have made it with LILO (can't tremember why > but i had prblem's > with confing grub..), and being a total > linux-novice, it was easy. I > have a homeserver and 4 old laptops with > wireless-LTSP, local LINUX and > DOS/Win98 bootmenu. > 1 second to choose, then you go for LTSP. And LTSP > is what my wife, 5 > year old son and myself are using. Mikko, I have been trying unsuccessfully to get my laptop to boot. I'm using the wireless ltsp package with a wired PCMCIA network adapter. I get to the point where it says "doing the pivot root" and then it tells me the NFS server is not responding. Any ideas? Did you come across this same trouble? I have other thin clients booting off of this server with no problem. Using a different laptop with my PCMCIA network adapter I have booted Knoppix and logged into the server by typing: X -query myservername, so I know the network adapter works. My laptop only has a floppy drive, so booting Knoppix is not a workable solution for me. Thanks for any advice you can give. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 19:40:45 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <956248054.1121942712@[10.2.1.193]> Message-ID: <20050723194045.44715.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The book "Knoppix Hacks" has a section about making a kiosk setup. I can't give you too many details, because I lent the book out to a friend who is trying to recover his data on a broken Windows machine. But I definitely suggest getting that book and checking it out. It's full of great info. -Rob --- aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > > Everything I have seen in Linux is always for a > kiosk with a browser. > > So how do you develop the app for this? Is this > usually just done with > > a flash animation or something? I don't really > want internet access at > > these terminals. Just a menu driven system to > navigate between 5 or 10 > > screens with information. Maybe a better > question is what format do > most >use for the presentation to be played in > Firefox in an open source > kiosk? >(Flash, php, html, > > etc) > > First, these two kiosks are not thins. A distro is > loaded on the local > drive. > There is not a new app here, just a web browser and > web pages. Use what > ever web technology you wish ;) We use mostly PHP > and plain old HTML. A > nice FLASH navigation buttons would work. The idea > here was to be able to > reproduce the setup for other kiosks and updaye them > remotely. > Stay tuned I will gather the particulars. > > Tom V. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 23 20:06:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? > > > " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits > in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: > > @users soft rss 512000 > @users soft memlock 256000 > @users soft as 768000 > # Set to 7168 by RH defaults > #@users soft nproc 5000 > > Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a > runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system > into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of > course, to your memory allocations etc. " You can also edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits and set K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" -Eric From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Jul 24 00:22:55 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:22:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466A2@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> John, I use pxelinux on systems that support PXE network boot (before hardrive/cdrom/etc), and LILO on my windows 98 dual boot systems. I hadn't touched my 2k/XP machines that don't PXE network boot (I'm moving them to the science labs where most of them will be on wireless, so it won't matter too much). I'll see what I can dig up when I get back to HHI (I'm in Tampa for the weekend). Henry -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Sat 7/23/2005 10:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 09:48 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > We already had a distro installed on the hd, so editing grub was easy. > If this is what you seek to do, I can get more specific info when I am > at the lab tomorrow. If I missed something, sorry. > > --scott Hey Scott, I would appreciate any hints you have on getting this to work. I found some instructions on using the NT/XP boot loader http://wiki.etherboot.org/pmwiki.php/Main/LoadingEtherbootWithNTLoader but using grub would be better. We need to do this for Win 2000 machines and maybe 98 also. Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Edit /etc/dhcpd.conf and fix IP for the laptop by seeing /var/log/messages to get the MAC address of PCMCIA card when laptop boots but hangs. 3. In the above edit the laptop section for allowing initial pxe boot. Make sure the file name and paths are correct. The example lines in dhcpd.conf may not be giving correct file+path. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From scott at hosef.org Sun Jul 24 04:06:04 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:06:04 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: PXEgrub notes In-Reply-To: <1122129926.4093.7.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <20050720160026.30F5B73E59@hormel.redhat.com> <1122048971.22357.70.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1122049242.16603.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42E11DD0.4090804@misato.us> <42E121EB.1060508@misato.us> <42E14D8C.9010809@hosef.org> <1122129926.4093.7.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <4aa5445bb10a92c82fa86462a590bafb@hosef.org> On Jul 23, 2005, at 4:45 AM, John Baillie wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 09:48 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >> We already had a distro installed on the hd, so editing grub was easy. >> If this is what you seek to do, I can get more specific info when I am >> at the lab tomorrow. If I missed something, sorry. >> >> --scott > > Hey Scott, > > I would appreciate any hints you have on getting this to work. > > I found some instructions on using the NT/XP boot loader > > http://wiki.etherboot.org/pmwiki.php/Main/LoadingEtherbootWithNTLoader > > but using grub would be better. We need to do this for Win 2000 > machines > and maybe 98 also. Will your Win2k and Win98 machines be dual or tri-boot? In other words, do you only want them to boot Winx and as a thin client? If so, I can tell you what lines to put in grub, but I don't know how to tell you to install GRUB. If you are going to make them boot WinX or Linux from the hard drive and also have the LTSP option, then I can tell you how. In order to KISS, I install debian after windows. The debian installer is a champ and it never fails to set grub up to dual-boot between windows and gnu/linux. I am nearly certain that you would have the same experience with FedoraX. With a functioning and dual-booting GRUB, you now want to edit your /boot/grub/grub.conf file. Add a new entry and include *Title* K12LTSPmakestheworldrounder. Now, here is where I really goofed today by not looking at the settings at McKinley. You add a *Kernel* line pointing to /boot/UniversalBootFloppy.img or whatever you call the bootrom that you have copied to /boot. I may be wrong, though. If so, this line should be the *initrd* line, not *kernel*. I don't recollect that you needed the hd line. Sorry not to copy a specific example. I can next Saturday, and maybe before, but for now this is the best that I can offer. > > Thanks, > > John --scott From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sun Jul 24 08:42:13 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:42:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Switchdesktop all script in 4.4.0-pre2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200507240842.j6O8gGX7006283@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> I just installed two 4.4.0-pre2 servers today. :) However, I couldn't find where the switchdesktop all script is located to switch all default users from gnome to kde? Is that script still in the distro? Wilson From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sun Jul 24 08:47:13 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:47:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Screensaver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200507240847.j6O8lEX7007768@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Anyone have a simple script to disable the screensaver? > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:41 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Default Screensaver > > Isn't the screensaver password the same as the users' password? > > About 5 seconds of education will work here. . . Or, you'll probably have > to go to every user's home directory and change that default for the users > that are already created, but I am sure there are others that have an > easier way. . . > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > On the new K12LTSP 4.4 the default screensaver appears to be set to lock > > the screen when activated. I can see this causing no end of trouble > > around here. Can someone tell me how to change this default behavior > > for all users? > > > > -- > > C-ya, > > Mark > > ____ > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its > government." -- Edward Abbey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From scott at hosef.org Sun Jul 24 10:23:21 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:23:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Switchdesktop all script in 4.4.0-pre2 In-Reply-To: <200507240842.j6O8gGX7006283@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200507240842.j6O8gGX7006283@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1122200601.21763.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 22:42 -1000, Wilson wrote: > I just installed two 4.4.0-pre2 servers today. :) However, I couldn't find > where the switchdesktop all script is located to switch all default users > from gnome to kde? Is that script still in the distro? Wilson, Most scripts, if not all, are here /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ and I don't think that there is a distinction any longer between kde and gnome on the Fedora/Red Hat distros. Isn't it bluecurve or something like that? > > > Wilson --scott From scott at hosef.org Sun Jul 24 10:39:40 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:39:40 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 Application Screenshots Message-ID: <1122201580.21763.18.camel@server.ltsp> It's gotten so that I just can't tell enough people about all the great edutainment applications included with each revision of the K12LTSP. Furthermore, until someone sees the delicious GUI that is the gnu/linux Desktop, they think of it as something DOS-like and unfriendly. With this in mind I have finally captured screenshots of all the apps found on the latest revision, 4.4, of the K12LTSP disto. Most, if not all, can also be found via debian-edu and distros such as Skolelinux. http://www.hosef.org/gallery/freesoftware If you'd like the files zipped, you can grab them here http://www.hosef.org/media/k12images.zip Aloha --scott From dalen at czexan.net Sun Jul 24 14:05:34 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:05:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT]router howto Message-ID: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> This is slightly off topic, but I thought I'd ask as this list is usually very helpful. I am having trouble trying to setup a generic fc4 or centos4 into a network router. eth0 goes out to the internet and eth1 goes to the internal network. Internal systems can get an ip from the server and can ping the server, but they cannot ping anything on the internet such as yahoo.com. I tried enabling ip_forward in /etc/sysctl and tried comparing settings with a SME server, but I can't figure out what I am missing. Any suggestions on what I should check next? Thanks, Dale From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 24 15:34:55 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:34:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT]router howto In-Reply-To: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> References: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> Message-ID: <42E3B51F.307@cmosnetworks.com> First, we've got to see if your routing parameters in your DHCP scope are right. Have your DHCP clients ping the router that is upstream from your GNU/Linux router; this will be your ISP's router, probably a Cisco or Juniper router of some sort. I'm assuming here that your GNU/Linux router is directly connected to your ISP with nothing else (cable modem, DSL router, other firewall, etc.) in between. If that doesn't work, then make sure that your GNU/Linux router can get to it; if it can't, then nothing will be able to. If it can, though, then check your IP Masquerading rules. This assumes you're using RFC 1918 "private" IP addresses; if not, then don't worry about masquerading rules. Once all that's working, then we've got to try connectivity past your ISP's router. Try pinging an IP address instead of a domain name. A good one is 198.6.1.2, which is one of UUNet's main DNS servers. If you can, then the problem probably is the DNS server parameters in your DHCP scope. My guess is that, once you get connectivity to your ISP's router from your clients, then going to the Internet will also work. --TP Dale Sykora wrote: > This is slightly off topic, but I thought I'd ask as this list is > usually very helpful. I am having trouble trying to setup a generic > fc4 or centos4 into a network router. eth0 goes out to the internet > and eth1 goes to the internal network. Internal systems can get an ip > from the server and can ping the server, but they cannot ping anything > on the internet such as yahoo.com. I tried enabling ip_forward in > /etc/sysctl and tried comparing settings with a SME server, but I > can't figure out what I am missing. Any suggestions on what I should > check next? > > Thanks, > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Sun Jul 24 17:58:57 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:58:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] epia 5000 or m5000 In-Reply-To: <20050724160028.BE3B77377E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050724160028.BE3B77377E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <23def7ccc1fe31d8a0f0a4a743787d64@fragakis.com> Is there any advantage to using the VIA EPIA M5000 vs the 5000 in a thin client? The M has a faster bus (266 vs. 133) and uses cheaper ddr RAM, better graphics card and USB 2.0. Otherwise, both are fanless 533 Via Eden processors. and... any reason to up the ram in a client over 128mb? Thanks, William From robark at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 19:00:11 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:00:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] epia 5000 or m5000 In-Reply-To: <23def7ccc1fe31d8a0f0a4a743787d64@fragakis.com> References: <20050724160028.BE3B77377E@hormel.redhat.com> <23def7ccc1fe31d8a0f0a4a743787d64@fragakis.com> Message-ID: On 7/24/05, William Fragakis wrote: > Is there any advantage to using the VIA EPIA M5000 vs the 5000 in a > thin client? > > The M has a faster bus (266 vs. 133) and uses cheaper ddr RAM, better > graphics card and USB 2.0. Otherwise, both are fanless 533 Via Eden > processors. Although I have no experience with either board. USB 2.0 is nice if you want to use usb sticks (much faster) although your still limited by the network speed. But by far the graphics card is the most important part of a thin client. Make sure the video card is well supported. > > and... any reason to up the ram in a client over 128mb? Not for a thin client. 128 is super. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dalen at czexan.net Sun Jul 24 19:40:04 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:40:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT]router howto In-Reply-To: <42E3B51F.307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> <42E3B51F.307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <42E3EE94.6010706@czexan.net> see reply below... Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > First, we've got to see if your routing parameters in your DHCP scope > are right. Have your DHCP clients ping the router that is upstream > from your GNU/Linux router; this will be your ISP's router, probably a > Cisco or Juniper router of some sort. I'm assuming here that your > GNU/Linux router is directly connected to your ISP with nothing else > (cable modem, DSL router, other firewall, etc.) in between. If that > doesn't work, then make sure that your GNU/Linux router can get to it; > if it can't, then nothing will be able to. If it can, though, then > check your IP Masquerading rules. This assumes you're using RFC 1918 > "private" IP addresses; if not, then don't worry about masquerading rules. > > Once all that's working, then we've got to try connectivity past your > ISP's router. Try pinging an IP address instead of a domain name. A > good one is 198.6.1.2, which is one of UUNet's main DNS servers. If you > can, then the problem probably is the DNS server parameters in your DHCP > scope. Terrell, My client and server can ping 198.6.1.2 and 66.94.234.13(a yahoo.com address) but my client cannot ping yahoo.com. Thus it appears to be a dns issue. Below is a copy of my dhcpd.conf, iptables, and route. What other info would be useful to post? Thanks, Dale [root at rlm ~]# cat /etc/dhcpd.conf ddns-update-style ad-hoc; subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option broadcast-address 10.0.0.255; deny bootp; option domain-name "robert.morton"; option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.1; default-lease-time 86400; max-lease-time 604800; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; range 10.0.0.10 10.0.0.100; option routers 10.0.0.1; } [root at rlm ~]# service iptables status Table: nat Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 MARK match 0x9 Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Table: mangle Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MARK all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 MARK set 0x9 Table: filter Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ACCEPT icmp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 icmp type 255 ACCEPT esp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ACCEPT ah -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 224.0.0.251 udp dpt:5353 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:631 ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:22 REJECT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-host-prohibited [root at rlm ~]# [root at rlm ~]# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.177.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 10.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 default tux.stannecc.or 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [root at rlm ~]# From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 24 21:09:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:09:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT]router howto In-Reply-To: <42E3EE94.6010706@czexan.net> References: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> <42E3B51F.307@cmosnetworks.com> <42E3EE94.6010706@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1122239370.20465.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 14:40, Dale Sykora wrote: > Terrell, > My client and server can ping 198.6.1.2 and 66.94.234.13(a yahoo.com > address) but my client cannot ping yahoo.com. Thus it appears to be a > dns issue. Below is a copy of my dhcpd.conf, iptables, and route. What > other info would be useful to post? > > [root at rlm ~]# cat /etc/dhcpd.conf > ddns-update-style ad-hoc; > subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 > { > option broadcast-address 10.0.0.255; > deny bootp; > option domain-name "robert.morton"; > option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.1; Does the server (10.0.0.1) use itself for DNS (look at /etc/resolv.conf) and if so, does it work). Try 'dig' at the server and client. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 24 21:34:23 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:34:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT]router howto In-Reply-To: <1122239370.20465.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <42E3A02E.5020901@czexan.net> <42E3B51F.307@cmosnetworks.com> <42E3EE94.6010706@czexan.net> <1122239370.20465.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42E4095F.7000009@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 14:40, Dale Sykora wrote: > > >>Terrell, >> My client and server can ping 198.6.1.2 and 66.94.234.13(a yahoo.com >>address) but my client cannot ping yahoo.com. Thus it appears to be a >>dns issue. Below is a copy of my dhcpd.conf, iptables, and route. What >>other info would be useful to post? >> >> [root at rlm ~]# cat /etc/dhcpd.conf >>ddns-update-style ad-hoc; >>subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>{ >> option broadcast-address 10.0.0.255; >> deny bootp; >> option domain-name "robert.morton"; >> option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.1; >> >> > >Does the server (10.0.0.1) use itself for DNS (look >at /etc/resolv.conf) and if so, does it work). Try >'dig' at the server and client. > > > I agree. It looks like you're pointing your clients to use 10.0.0.1 for DNS resolution, which I'm guessing is the IP address of your GNU/Linux router. If this is true, then is this router also running a DNS server (e. g. BIND or djbdns)? If not, then you will either need to stand up a DNS server and reflect that in your dhcpd.conf, or you can simply use the DNS server(s) that your ISP gave you. I have one internally (my K12LTSP server, which I'm using to type this email), so that's what I use. --TP From nbs at sonic.net Mon Jul 25 00:20:43 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:20:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Off Topic] Linux anniversary picnic in Sunnyvale, August 14th Message-ID: <20050725002043.GA27731@sonic.net> Hello K12OSN'ers! I'm guessing a few of you will be making your way to LinuxWorld Expo in San Francisco this August, and wanted to send out an invitation to you to stick around until the following Sunday to enjoy a free picnic being thrown by the local User Groups! (I'm co-coordinating the event, BTW...) http://www.linuxpicnic.org/ Just RSVP, show up, and eat! We've got free give-aways and will be having some contests with big prizes, too. Enjoy! Back to your regularly scheduled list messages! ;^) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 25 00:35:25 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:35:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea Message-ID: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Here is what I have: off of the /home/ dir I have created sub dirs for each of the classes, then inside those the home dirs for the individuals in the class. For instance: /home/compsci/user1 /home/compsci/user2 /home/compsci/user3 Now this worked for me last year, and as equiv to root I could go into each folder to mark. But it took some time to go into each folder individually, looking for assignments Here is what I would like: directory structure like so /homework/compsci /homework/saps /homework/7a one directory for each class, but no individual user folders inside. I want to give the kids responsibility to "hand-in" their assignments into the appropriate folders. BUT: I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted to take it further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their finished work into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file once it is there in other words I want the class homework folders to have write once access/no read access/and no delete access. So they can save/drop the file into the directory, but not change it or delete it once there So after that long preamble, what rights do I set on a folder to acomplish this? You should know that each class has a distinct gid so I can set rights using that, I think I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that users can drag their completed assignments into the appropriate homework "dropbox" and they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other classmate's files advise greatly appreciated From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Jul 25 00:49:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:49:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1122252560.19341.12.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:06 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > Has anyone heard of, or tried the following? > > > > > > " I strongly suggest you set suitable memory limits > > in /etc/security/limits.conf. I use: > > > > @users soft rss 512000 > > @users soft memlock 256000 > > @users soft as 768000 > > # Set to 7168 by RH defaults > > #@users soft nproc 5000 > > > > Just to stop users from forkbombing the system accidentally, or a > > runaway process from eating all the physical RAM and forcing the system > > into heavy swapping. It works extremely well. Adapt the above, of > > course, to your memory allocations etc. " > > You can also edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits and set K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" > > -Eric Interesting - I wasn't aware of k12ltsp-limits. I need to experiment and see what happens from users perspective when a threshold is reached. It looks like both k12ltsp-limits and limits.conf accomplish the same thing with the limits.conf method having the added ability to assign settings by group. All this must not come into play too much though, as as I found only one reference to it in the archives. John From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 25 01:25:55 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:25:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] default desktop config Message-ID: <42E43FA3.4030004@shaw.ca> I have loaded up the server. I have the batch files ready to import over 600 users via webmin but..... Before I do I would like to see if something is possible. I would like to have the default user set up so that when I create all the 600+ users they all get setup from the default user. I know there is a directory on the server that all new users are "created" from but I don't know were it is. I woul like to have every single user have the working links for the StarOffice product. I did not install OpenOffice. With StarOffice each user has to run a little install script, which copies minimal workstation files etc. Is there a way to do that into wherever the default directory is so that when I create the users with the webmin batch install it does the StarOffice thing for all the newly created users? I know this is asking alot but I hope there is someone out there who can help me Thanks in advance From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Jul 25 01:28:24 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:28:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <200507250202.j6P22J5s006532@mx3.redhat.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Liam Marshall Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted to take it further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their finished work into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file once it is there in other words I want the class homework folders to have write once access/no read access/and no delete access. So they can save/drop the file into the directory, but not change it or delete it once there So after that long preamble, what rights do I set on a folder to acomplish this? You should know that each class has a distinct gid so I can set rights using that, I think I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that users can drag their completed assignments into the appropriate homework "dropbox" and they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other classmate's files advise greatly appreciated Here I what I have done for a class at our school. [programming] comment = Mr. Powell's Class admin users = powelld haynest browseable = no guest ok = no read only = no writable = yes printable = no create mode = 700 force create mode = 700 directory mode = 700 force directory mode = 700 veto files = /.*/ path = /home/programming Students can drop things but not view or delete the work of others. All the students have accounts on this server, powelld is the teacher, and haynest is me. The teacher and I have access to all of it, and we can delete, etc. I say don't make it too complex. The kids can figure out where to drop things, and if someone from the Humanities class drops a file in there it is not the end of the world. I may not have the most efficient set of rules for this share. While I am a nice guy, I am a little simple (and really a classroom teacher doing the admin stuff on the side). Regards... Tom _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Jul 25 02:49:04 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:49:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] default desktop config In-Reply-To: <42E43FA3.4030004@shaw.ca> References: <42E43FA3.4030004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1122259744.19341.43.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 20:25 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: snip --> > > Is there a way to do that into wherever the default directory is so that > when I create the users with the webmin batch install it does the > StarOffice thing for all the newly created users? > > I know this is asking alot but I hope there is someone out there who can > help me > > Thanks in advance The directory you are referring to is /etc/skel but I do not think your StarOffice settings are going to stick. There is other magic at play there. I would like to deploy OO ver 2.0 beta but I have not had much luck freeing up the users from having to go through the setup routine. Personally, I'd love to know how to customize OO / Star and be able to make changes globally. There are other customizations that don't stick from skel, FireFox for instance. I think if you make changes to skel and then run the resest-all-desktops script, the changes are pushed out to your existing users as well as all newly created users. Handy for tweaking. John From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Jul 25 02:49:10 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:49:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) Message-ID: <200507250257.j6P2v4j4018374@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> I was not able to log in as root until just now. I decided to turn off nscd to see what would happen. Guess what? Now I did su from terminal and got into root account. Yippee!!! I don't know if turning off nscd had anything to do with it but it is working so I am happy. -----Original Message----- From: Krsnendu dasa [mailto:krsnendu at orcon.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 11:03 a.m. To: 'Jon Spriggs'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) I used the rescue disk and created ln -s Now when I try to log in as root it goes directly to the message "The system administrator has disabled your account." I have got a feeling this has something to do with SMBLDAP, but I don't know where to start looking. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jon Spriggs Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 6:26 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) Firstly, to quote Douglas Adams:- Don't panic! Next, try running this command su -c 'ln -s /root /home/root' If that doesn't work, try rebooting the box and editing the boot line for your kernel (in Grub) adding the letter S (with a space before it) on the end. This takes it into single-user mode, where you can type ln -s /root /home/root If that doesn't work, reboot from any redhat or fedora based disk, and enter recovery mode. This is one of the boot options, and should be described there. Hope that helps :) Jon On 19/07/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I don't know if I did something but I can't log in as root at all. Not > through su, not through ssh, not from a terminal not from using remote login > with cygwin and not even directly at the server. > > The message I get is "Your home directory is listed as: '/home/root' but it > does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory > as your home directory? It is unlikely that anything will work unless you > use a failsafe session." > > > > When I choose yes it says, "The system administrator has disabled your > account." > > > > I am using SMB-LDAP. > > > > I need to access the root account. What should I do? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 25 03:15:54 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:15:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <200507250202.j6P22J5s006532@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200507250202.j6P22J5s006532@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42E4596A.8070900@shaw.ca> Thomas E. Haynes wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Liam Marshall >Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea > >I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so >compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted to take it >further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their finished work >into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file >once it is there > >in other words I want the class homework folders to have write once >access/no read access/and no delete access. So they can save/drop the >file into the directory, but not change it or delete it once there > >So after that long preamble, what rights do I set on a folder to >acomplish this? You should know that each class has a distinct gid so I >can set rights using that, I think > >I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that users can drag >their completed assignments into the appropriate homework "dropbox" and >they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other classmate's files > > >advise greatly appreciated > > >Here I what I have done for a class at our school. > >[programming] >comment = Mr. Powell's Class >admin users = powelld haynest >browseable = no >guest ok = no >read only = no >writable = yes >printable = no >create mode = 700 >force create mode = 700 >directory mode = 700 >force directory mode = 700 >veto files = /.*/ >path = /home/programming > >Students can drop things but not view or delete the work of others. All the >students have accounts on this server, powelld is the teacher, and haynest >is me. The teacher and I have access to all of it, and we can delete, etc. > >I say don't make it too complex. The kids can figure out where to drop >things, and if someone from the Humanities class drops a file in there it is >not the end of the world. > >I may not have the most efficient set of rules for this share. While I am a >nice guy, I am a little simple (and really a classroom teacher doing the >admin stuff on the side). > >Regards... Tom > > > snip is the above a samba share? or purely linux? I don't use samba I have not seen the veto files setting anywhere but I am no expert Just tell me where I can do the above and it looks fairly good. Can students view their own work in this directory? Or delete it? From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Jul 25 03:34:07 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:34:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E4596A.8070900@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <200507250404.j6P44ZiN027848@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Liam Marshall > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:16 PM > To: haynest at mchsi.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea > > Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > >Here I what I have done for a class at our school. > > > >[programming] > >comment = Mr. Powell's Class > >admin users = powelld haynest > >browseable = no > >guest ok = no > >read only = no > >writable = yes > >printable = no > >create mode = 700 > >force create mode = 700 > >directory mode = 700 > >force directory mode = 700 > >veto files = /.*/ > >path = /home/programming > > > >Students can drop things but not view or delete the work of others. All > the > >students have accounts on this server, powelld is the teacher, and > haynest > >is me. The teacher and I have access to all of it, and we can delete, > etc. > > > >I say don't make it too complex. The kids can figure out where to drop > >things, and if someone from the Humanities class drops a file in there it > is > >not the end of the world. > > > >I may not have the most efficient set of rules for this share. While I am > a > >nice guy, I am a little simple (and really a classroom teacher doing the > >admin stuff on the side). > > > >Regards... Tom > > > > > > > snip > > is the above a samba share? or purely linux? > I don't use samba > I have not seen the veto files setting anywhere but I am no expert > > Just tell me where I can do the above and it looks fairly good. Can > students view their own work in this directory? Or delete it? Liam... In one of those complex things, am running samba on a Fedora Core 2 machine, but my users are on Wintel XP laptops. I have accounts for each user on the linux box, and they have mapped user directories. I do the authentication off the Windows domain. This could not really work any better than it does. The snippet above is from my smb.conf file, and if you are not using samba, this may not be too much help. The veto allows you to hide dot files or whatever. They can delete a file and submit a new one. They can't see or delete a classmate's file. They don't even know if a classmate has submitted an assignment. Regards... Tom From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 05:41:30 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:41:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting memory limits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <1122252560.19341.12.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <1122136300.4093.13.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> <1122252560.19341.12.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 7/24/05, John Baillie wrote: > I wasn't aware of k12ltsp-limits. I need to experiment and see what > happens from users perspective when a threshold is reached. It looks > like both k12ltsp-limits and limits.conf accomplish the same thing with > the limits.conf method having the added ability to assign settings by > group. > Have you read this http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 06:03:19 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:03:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> References: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 7/24/05, Liam Marshall wrote: > I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that users can drag > their completed assignments into the appropriate homework "dropbox" and > they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other classmate's files > This is what I do. I create a dir in home then I chgrp the dir file to be the group of the class in question. Then chmod the dir file to give the group write only access with others having no access. This can be achieved by the following chmod 730 "name of dir" 7 owner (root or you) has full access 3=2(write)+1(execute on a dir is list) for group which you set with chgrp 0 others have no access The only drawback is that students have more than write once privilage. So they can write multiple files or over write their own files but cannot play with another students stuff. Once the assignment is due. I just change the 3 to a 0 so they cannot continue to hand stuff in late. Anyway there is a time stamp. Plus I get students to hand stuff in with their username as the name of the file. That way if the filename does not match the owner of the file I know there is cheating going on. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Jul 25 08:39:08 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:39:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Screensaver In-Reply-To: <200507240847.j6O8lEX7007768@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200507240847.j6O8lEX7007768@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <200507250839.08900.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Sunday 24 July 2005 08:47, Wilson wrote: > Anyone have a simple script to disable the screensaver? If you are using KDE have a look here http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers The very first section disables the screen saver. It also sets it to the blank screen saver which uses the least cpu, in case we decide to enable screen saver at some point in time. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Jul 25 08:58:14 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:58:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeze at enabling swap space In-Reply-To: References: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20050725185814.toodea9qgr0go0sg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, My personal laptop (DELL inspiron 1150) running k12ltsp (Fedora core 2.6.8. workstation + apache & php) was working just fine until today. On boot it loads up to "enabling swap space [ok]" and then stops - nothing more... is there anything I can do or does this mean a re-install? Thanks Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jul 25 10:37:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:37:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] default desktop config Message-ID: <200507251243.j6PChAY04581@downeast.net> fwiw asfaar ass oo 2 is concerned i take one user default them to .doc format..specify the default save folder then write a litttle script that pulls a dir of /home and > to a file then cat file|whoile read user do cp .oofilder /homme/$user dhown chmod done that sems to work chuck > On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 20:25 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > > snip --> > > > > Is there a way to do that into wherever the default directory is so that > > when I create the users with the webmin batch install it does the > > StarOffice thing for all the newly created users? > > > > I know this is asking alot but I hope there is someone out there who can > > help me > > > > Thanks in advance > > The directory you are referring to is /etc/skel > > but I do not think your StarOffice settings are going to stick. There is > other magic at play there. I would like to deploy OO ver 2.0 beta but I > have not had much luck freeing up the users from having to go through > the setup routine. Personally, I'd love to know how to customize OO / > Star and be able to make changes globally. > > There are other customizations that don't stick from skel, FireFox for > instance. > > I think if you make changes to skel and then run the resest-all-desktops > script, the changes are pushed out to your existing users as well as all > newly created users. Handy for tweaking. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 13:17:36 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! Message-ID: I have a server set up for K12LTSP. eth0 is set to obtain IP via dhcp from another server and is connected to the 'external' network and it does get an ip from that network's dhcp. eth1 is set static to 192.168.0.254 and is connected to the 'internal' network. A workstation connected to the internal network gets an ip in the 192.168. range and can ping this server, but cannot see anything on the external network and nothing out on the internet. Where can I look for a misconfiguration? service nat start service iptables stop and service dhcpd restart have been run. Thank you! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Jul 25 13:43:41 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:43:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> Doug Simpson wrote: > >Where can I look for a misconfiguration? > >service nat start >service iptables stop >and service dhcpd restart > >have been run. > > The 'nat' service is actually a script that adds a rule to the currently loaded iptables configuration and turns on ip forwarding. So 'service iptables stop' is removing the nat configured rule. Run 'service nat start' after the last start, stop or restart of iptables to be effective. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 13:46:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:46:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <005301c5911f$46de13a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Liam Marshall > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea > > > Here is what I have: > > off of the /home/ dir I have created sub dirs for each of the > classes, > then inside those the home dirs for the individuals in the > class. For > instance: > > /home/compsci/user1 > /home/compsci/user2 > /home/compsci/user3 > > Now this worked for me last year, and as equiv to root I > could go into > each folder to mark. But it took some time to go into each folder > individually, looking for assignments > > Here is what I would like: > > directory structure like so > > /homework/compsci > /homework/saps > /homework/7a > > one directory for each class, but no individual user folders inside. > > I want to give the kids responsibility to "hand-in" their assignments > into the appropriate folders. BUT: > > I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so > compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted > to take it > further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their > finished work > into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file > once it is there > > in other words I want the class homework folders to have write once > access/no read access/and no delete access. So they can > save/drop the > file into the directory, but not change it or delete it once there > > So after that long preamble, what rights do I set on a folder to > acomplish this? You should know that each class has a > distinct gid so I > can set rights using that, I think > > I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that > users can drag > their completed assignments into the appropriate homework > "dropbox" and > they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other > classmate's files > > > advise greatly appreciated > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > 7/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 13:49:49 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! In-Reply-To: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> References: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > >Where can I look for a misconfiguration? > > > >service nat start > >service iptables stop > >and service dhcpd restart > > > >have been run. > > > > > The 'nat' service is actually a script that adds a rule to the currently > loaded iptables configuration and turns on ip forwarding. > So 'service iptables stop' is removing the nat configured rule. > Run 'service nat start' after the last start, stop or restart of > iptables to be effective. > > Chris Been there, done that. . .*many times* I'll try it again, though. . . Doug From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 13:55:46 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:55:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <005301c5911f$46de13a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005301c5911f$46de13a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Could this be done. . .wait a minute. . . this a linux server or a Winders one. . .? Anyway, could you use root postexec on that folder and once the student logs out, root postexec could be used to move the files to another directory that you have access to but no one else does? The student could drop the file there and even go back and change or delete it as long as they remain logged in but as soon as they log out, the post exec would move the files. And set the rights to rwx------ for all files that go in there so that only the user that dropped the file in there could read or change it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Liam Marshall > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea > > > > > > Here is what I have: > > > > off of the /home/ dir I have created sub dirs for each of the > > classes, > > then inside those the home dirs for the individuals in the > > class. For > > instance: > > > > /home/compsci/user1 > > /home/compsci/user2 > > /home/compsci/user3 > > > > Now this worked for me last year, and as equiv to root I > > could go into > > each folder to mark. But it took some time to go into each folder > > individually, looking for assignments > > > > Here is what I would like: > > > > directory structure like so > > > > /homework/compsci > > /homework/saps > > /homework/7a > > > > one directory for each class, but no individual user folders inside. > > > > I want to give the kids responsibility to "hand-in" their assignments > > into the appropriate folders. BUT: > > > > I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so > > compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted > > to take it > > further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their > > finished work > > into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file > > once it is there > > > > in other words I want the class homework folders to have write once > > access/no read access/and no delete access. So they can > > save/drop the > > file into the directory, but not change it or delete it once there > > > > So after that long preamble, what rights do I set on a folder to > > acomplish this? You should know that each class has a > > distinct gid so I > > can set rights using that, I think > > > > I am thinking, if the rights can be set like I want, that > > users can drag > > their completed assignments into the appropriate homework > > "dropbox" and > > they are done, and can't cheat off of, or trash, other > > classmate's files > > > > > > advise greatly appreciated > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > > 7/22/2005 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 25 13:56:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > I have a server set up for K12LTSP. > > eth0 is set to obtain IP via dhcp from another server and is connected to > the 'external' network and it does get an ip from that network's dhcp. > > eth1 is set static to 192.168.0.254 and is connected to the 'internal' > network. This is backwards from a default K12LTSP install. Is that correct, or is your reversed eth0/eth1 a typo? If it is correct, there are a couple of things that may need to be adjusted. > A workstation connected to the internal network gets an ip in the 192.168. > range and can ping this server, but cannot see anything on the external > network and nothing out on the internet. > > Where can I look for a misconfiguration? The most likely candidate is the nat service itself. By default it expects eth1 to be the public interface, but your's is eth0. Edit /etc/init.d/nat and change PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth1" to PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth0" If it is still broken, the next thing I would check is the IPTables rules. The default IPTables rules expects eth1 to be the public interface... If you did not alter the firewall rules during the installation, you'll need to swap the referrences to eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth0. The config file is /etc/sysconfig/iptables -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 14:05:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:05:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <005401c59121$f4c24d90$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > directory structure like so > > /homework/compsci > /homework/saps > /homework/7a > > one directory for each class, but no individual user folders inside. > > I want to give the kids responsibility to "hand-in" their assignments > into the appropriate folders. BUT: > > I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so > compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted > to take it > further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their > finished work > into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file > once it is there First of all, pardon my last message, I bumped send before typing :-) With the help of this list about 2 years ago now I got our homework drop folders setup. I wanted a very simple to manage setup that didn't require me updating class groups all the time (I have no class groups on the server). I have a folder called "Drop" under /home. Under this I have each teacher listed, under that I have their classes listed by hour. Example: /home/Drop/Frisby/2hr /home/Drop/Frisby/4hr /home/Drop/Meurer/5hr You get the point. Drop has 2755 permissions with adm being the owner and staff being the group. Staff is assigned of course to all staff. Each teacher folder has 2775 permissions with the teacher being the owner and the teacher the group. Each class folder (or hour) has 2773 permissions, with the teacher again as both the user and group. This allows all users of the system to navigate through the folder structure to any drop folder. They can drop to any drop folder. They however cannot delete or view any items from any drop folder unless they are the teacher who owns the drop folder. The reason I did things this way is that there may be 3 compsci classes, this method avoided getting homework from all three classes mixed together. Next issue is that when dropped, the student still maintains ownership of that file. This could cause trouble for the teacher trying to move/delete/modify the file, or allow the student to overwrite it at a later date. Plus this file still belongs to the student quota and not the teachers. With the help of the list I now have the following script set via cron to run every minute. This script takes the owner of the teacher folder that houses the class drop folders and sets the permissions of all files inside to be owned by the teacher. Now the student no longer has access to the file, the teacher has full priveleges to modify and work with it, and it is now the teachers responsibility to clean up the drop folders because the files there chew up their quota. Here is the script: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld \ "$file"\ |awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner \ "$file" Done Very simple file, but very effective. If you still want to break your drop folders down in the order you specified above you would only need minor changes to the script: #!/bin/bash for file in /homework/* do owner=$(ls -ld \ "$file"\ |awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner \ "$file" Done Then just be sure the class folder is owned by the proper staff member. Hope that helps. P.S. If anyone does this and also has Apple users writing via Appletalk, do yourself a favor and create an .AppleDouble folder under each drop folder and give 777 permissions. This will eliminate the many crazy problems with Appletalk and permissions. And since no one knows they are there I don't believe it causes much security problems. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 14:09:36 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:09:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > I have a server set up for K12LTSP. > > > > eth0 is set to obtain IP via dhcp from another server and is connected to > > the 'external' network and it does get an ip from that network's dhcp. > > > > eth1 is set static to 192.168.0.254 and is connected to the 'internal' > > network. > > This is backwards from a default K12LTSP install. Is that correct, or is > your reversed eth0/eth1 a typo? Actually, the default install did not set up the eth0 and eth1. I had to set them post-install. For some reason the installer didn't detect the interfaces until after the first reboot. > > If it is correct, there are a couple of things that may need to be adjusted. > > > A workstation connected to the internal network gets an ip in the 192.168. > > range and can ping this server, but cannot see anything on the external > > network and nothing out on the internet. > > > > Where can I look for a misconfiguration? > > The most likely candidate is the nat service itself. By default it > expects eth1 to be the public interface, but your's is eth0. Edit > /etc/init.d/nat and change PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth1" to > PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth0" > > If it is still broken, the next thing I would check is the IPTables > rules. The default IPTables rules expects eth1 to be the public > interface... If you did not alter the firewall rules during the > installation, you'll need to swap the referrences to eth0 to eth1 and > eth1 to eth0. The config file is /etc/sysconfig/iptables I didn't touch iptables during install (don't know anything about iptables at all. . .) Think the best way would be to just re-configure the eth(x) interfaces to the default setting aand see if itmwilol work that way? That will be easier and probably better. Thank you for your quick response! ERIC ROCKS! Doug From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 14:38:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:38:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP installer questions / NFS Install Message-ID: <005601c59126$8f4844b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I installed my system via NFS so as not to have to burn extra CD's anymore. But now I do my SMB-LDAP install and it wants disk 4. So my question is how do I tell it to use the iso of disk 4 out on the nfs server? I know I could burn a CD in about 2 minutes and be done, but that doesn't exactly help me in the future for saving CD's. Should I simply nfs mount the share containing the iso and then somehow temporarily expand the iso to a location in which I can point the installer to? Also, anyone messed with the quotas under the new 2.0-alpha yet? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 14:44:06 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP, NAT or other problem. . . help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > I have a server set up for K12LTSP. > > > > > > eth0 is set to obtain IP via dhcp from another server and is connected to > > > the 'external' network and it does get an ip from that network's dhcp. > > > > > > eth1 is set static to 192.168.0.254 and is connected to the 'internal' > > > network. > > > > This is backwards from a default K12LTSP install. Is that correct, or is > > your reversed eth0/eth1 a typo? > > Actually, the default install did not set up the eth0 and eth1. I had to > set them post-install. For some reason the installer didn't detect the > interfaces until after the first reboot. > > > > > If it is correct, there are a couple of things that may need to be adjusted. > > > > > A workstation connected to the internal network gets an ip in the 192.168. > > > range and can ping this server, but cannot see anything on the external > > > network and nothing out on the internet. > > > > > > Where can I look for a misconfiguration? > > > > The most likely candidate is the nat service itself. By default it > > expects eth1 to be the public interface, but your's is eth0. Edit > > /etc/init.d/nat and change PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth1" to > > PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth0" > > > > If it is still broken, the next thing I would check is the IPTables > > rules. The default IPTables rules expects eth1 to be the public > > interface... If you did not alter the firewall rules during the > > installation, you'll need to swap the referrences to eth0 to eth1 and > > eth1 to eth0. The config file is /etc/sysconfig/iptables > > I didn't touch iptables during install (don't know anything about iptables > at all. . .) > > Think the best way would be to just re-configure the eth(x) interfaces to > the default setting aand see if itmwilol work that way? > > That will be easier and probably better. > > Thank you for your quick response! > > ERIC ROCKS! > > Doug OK. I set then interfaces correctly. Obtain by DHCP on eth1 and set static on eth0. Now, that server won't see out of itself to internet or anywhere except the 'internal' network. A workstation will get an internal IP and can see the server but nothing else. Do I just need to start over and try to remember which interface is which when it wants the info during the install? Since it doesn't detect any interfaces during the install, it goofs up the settings and apparently the install program don't know how to handle it. It detects the interfaces during the reboot after install. Kudzu comes up and asks to install them. Could it be that since it detects no interfaces during the install that is don't bither setting up nat and iptables correctly? Getting frustrated and very pressed for time on this one! Doug From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 14:45:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:45:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: <005701c59127$708a96d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Is Teacher Tool no longer included? I cannot seem to find it installed or via yum. Are we just waiting on someone to get a newer version released or did this get missed? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 14:46:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:46:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <005701c59127$708a96d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <005801c59127$a847d880$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Is Teacher Tool no longer included? I cannot seem to find it > installed or via yum. Are we just waiting on someone to get > a newer version released or did this get missed? Or did I just not search with the correct case :-) TeacherTool seems to work just fine. Sorry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 14:57:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:57:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI Basics tech-tip (Information Only) Message-ID: <005901c59129$225ec510$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Given all of the questions I see posted out here about SCSI, ATA, Serial ATA, cost, etc, I thought that maybe this Tech Tip I received from Computer Geeks may be able to help others on the list make an accurate decision on which type of system to go with. If nothing else provide some education. http://www.geeks.com/pix/techtips-JUL21-05.htm?cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_h tml-_-21jul05_techtips-_-viewasweb Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 25 15:29:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:29:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP installer questions / NFS Install In-Reply-To: <005601c59126$8f4844b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c59126$8f4844b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1122305388.7770.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 09:38, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I installed my system via NFS so as not to have to burn extra CD's > anymore. But now I do my SMB-LDAP install and it wants disk 4. So my > question is how do I tell it to use the iso of disk 4 out on the nfs > server? I know I could burn a CD in about 2 minutes and be done, but > that doesn't exactly help me in the future for saving CD's. Should I > simply nfs mount the share containing the iso and then somehow > temporarily expand the iso to a location in which I can point the > installer to? After you mount the directory containing the iso images you should be able to mount any individual iso with the loopback option: mount -o loop /path_to_iso /path_to_mountpoint -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 15:32:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:32:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP installer questions / NFS Install In-Reply-To: <1122305388.7770.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005a01c5912e$1ddf3e20$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > After you mount the directory containing the iso images you > should be able to mount any individual iso with the loopback > option: mount -o loop /path_to_iso /path_to_mountpoint Thanks Les, I'll give it a whirl. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 15:53:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:53:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <005701c59127$708a96d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005701c59127$708a96d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 7/25/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is Teacher Tool no longer included? I cannot seem to find it installed > or via yum. Are we just waiting on someone to get a newer version > released or did this get missed? I am currently working on a new version using FLTK for the gui interface. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 16:04:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005b01c59132$795d09e0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I am currently working on a new version using FLTK for the > gui interface. Please post when you have something to try out. I'd be more than happy to give it a whirl. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jul 25 16:09:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:09:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting /server/home via NFS on a MACos Tiger server Message-ID: <42E50EA2.4030308@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We have recently changed our Samba PDC to use the excellent Smbldap-installer and everything seems to working on the PC side. The problem is we are trying to setup a MacOs 10.4 (Tiger) server to manage the 36 Mac clients we have. We have out source the installation but the guy doing the installing is having trouble getting the clients to mount there home drives from the Samba server. We he is trying to do is to mount the nfs share setup by the smbldap installer script and then getting this to be shared to the clients as they login. I have to admit I'm totally out of my depth with this. What other options do we have, I tried to mount smb://server/homes but of course this didn't work as it doesn't know the username to mount. I've had a surf and the only thing I can find is people moaning that "tiger is bust" for smb and to check that encrypted passwords are on. How do I do that, this is a bog standard install of samba on the PDC using the rpms from Samba.org Any idea's or pointers ?? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 16:21:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:21:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting /server/home via NFS on a MACos Tiger server In-Reply-To: <42E50EA2.4030308@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <005c01c59134$f93823a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > The problem is we are trying to setup a MacOs 10.4 (Tiger) server to > manage the 36 Mac clients we have. We have out source the > installation > but the guy doing the installing is having trouble getting > the clients > to mount there home drives from the Samba server. > > We he is trying to do is to mount the nfs share setup by the smbldap > installer script and then getting this to be shared to the clients as > they login. First, what OS are the 36 Mac clients running? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jul 25 16:22:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:22:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting /server/home via NFS on a MACos Tiger server In-Reply-To: <005c01c59134$f93823a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005c01c59134$f93823a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E511AE.9060405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>The problem is we are trying to setup a MacOs 10.4 (Tiger) server to >>manage the 36 Mac clients we have. We have out source the >>installation >>but the guy doing the installing is having trouble getting >>the clients >>to mount there home drives from the Samba server. >> >>We he is trying to do is to mount the nfs share setup by the smbldap >>installer script and then getting this to be shared to the clients as >>they login. >> >> > >First, what OS are the 36 Mac clients running? > > > The clients will all the the latest Tiger 10.4.something I think. What ever you get when you run the software update. Would it be an entry in the automounts file on the client, does this get executed before login or after ??? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 25 16:52:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:52:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] automounting some, not all, homes? Message-ID: <1122310326.7770.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Is there a good HOWTO on the automounter somewhere? I'd like to automount some user's homes from another machine but keep some local. Can this be done by specifying a different location for mounted homes with that location in auto.master? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 25 16:57:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:57:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting /server/home via NFS on a MACos Tiger server In-Reply-To: <42E511AE.9060405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <005d01c59139$f922d4a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > The clients will all the the latest Tiger 10.4.something I > think. What > ever you get when you run the software update. > > Would it be an entry in the automounts file on the client, > does this get > executed before login or after ??? Below is link that will describe how to authenticate all of your OS 10.4 clients directly to your SMB/LDAP server, automount /home via nfs, and provide roaming profiles. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html Second question would be what do you plan on doing with the Tiger Server? This would make an excellent NetInstall/NetBoot server. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jul 25 16:57:39 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:57:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting /server/home via NFS on a MACos Tiger server In-Reply-To: <005d01c59139$f922d4a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005d01c59139$f922d4a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E51A03.9000204@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>The clients will all the the latest Tiger 10.4.something I >>think. What >>ever you get when you run the software update. >> >>Would it be an entry in the automounts file on the client, >>does this get >>executed before login or after ??? >> >> > >Below is link that will describe how to authenticate all of your OS 10.4 >clients directly to your SMB/LDAP server, automount /home via nfs, and >provide roaming profiles. > >http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html > >Second question would be what do you plan on doing with the Tiger >Server? This would make an excellent NetInstall/NetBoot server. > > > Thanks I'll give it a read. What we'd hoped to do with the server is to use it to control what the students have access to in the way of settings etc but to hold the homes dir's on the Samba / LDAP box. Could all this be done on the Samba box, have we baught the server when we didn't really need to ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mwebb at addisonboot.com Mon Jul 25 16:59:37 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:59:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer Message-ID: <42E51A79.30203@addisonboot.com> Les Mikesell YOU DUH MAN!!!!! Matt Oquist YOU DUH MAN TOO!!!! thanks for the help guys, i've got it working now, matt provided the last missing pieces, i couldn't figure out what "LABEL" meant in redhat (fstab,grub.conf) or that whole grub thingy. matts txt file got me though that. From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 25 18:19:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:19:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copy system to another computer In-Reply-To: <42E51A79.30203@addisonboot.com> References: <42E51A79.30203@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1122315590.7770.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 11:59, mike webb wrote: > Les Mikesell YOU DUH MAN!!!!! > Matt Oquist YOU DUH MAN TOO!!!! > > thanks for the help guys, i've got it working now, matt provided the last missing pieces, i couldn't figure out what "LABEL" meant in redhat (fstab,grub.conf) or that whole grub thingy. matts txt file got me though that. The grub syntax is weird because it isn't restricted to Linux and doesn't use the Linux conventions for drive/partition names. You have your choice of changing the fstab/grub.conf names or adding the expected labels to your cloned partitions with e2label. The down side of using labels is that duplicates confuse the boot process so if you have your cloned drive connected to the source computer you won't be able to reboot until it is removed. It also prevents you from moving drives around for data recovery or similar reasons. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 25 18:27:42 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:27:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Delays, delays, delays... Message-ID: <42E52F1E.7000309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I promised to have K12LTSP 4.2.1EL released this weekend. I lied ;-) I found a problem with the final ISO build late last night and need to re-run the build and verification process. Hopefully this will be completed tonight, but I have a major fire burning here at work and my not have much time for K12LTSP for a day or two. All of the packages are okay, so running "yum upgrade" from a pre-release install will update to the final release. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Jul 25 19:18:00 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:18:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] epia 5000 or m5000 In-Reply-To: References: <20050724160028.BE3B77377E@hormel.redhat.com> <23def7ccc1fe31d8a0f0a4a743787d64@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <1122319080.758.74.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 21:00, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/24/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > > > and... any reason to up the ram in a client over 128mb? > > Not for a thin client. 128 is super. Buf if you in future might want to use local apps 128Mb (or as I did on my 3 boxes 256Mb) might be a good choice, if the money is there. - right now one of the boxes has been converted into a small server, so the 256Mb was a good choice for me ;-) -- Henning Wangerin From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jul 25 19:52:17 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:52:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <005401c59121$f4c24d90$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005401c59121$f4c24d90$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <0ED6C68E-C702-4AA1-81B7-3E5243675E81@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How about just emailing the assignment? If that is not possible, other posters have given good suggestions regarding the drop box. The only thing I'd add is the "sticky bit" to the folder. A better solution, though slightly less convenient, is to set the perms on each students home dir to 770. If you are using the default Fedora/Redhat user setup, then each user also had a new default group created in which they are the only user. Maybe each student's group should have their teacher (or possibly all staff) added to it so they can view their files at any time for any reason. This would also make it possible for a teacher to "pickup" assignments, rather than for students to hand them in. Like I said, less convenient, but it is simpler and less prone to cheating attempts. On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> directory structure like so >> >> /homework/compsci >> /homework/saps >> /homework/7a >> >> one directory for each class, but no individual user folders inside. >> >> I want to give the kids responsibility to "hand-in" their assignments >> into the appropriate folders. BUT: >> >> I don't want other classes to be able to mess with their files. so >> compsci kids can't mess with saps files, etc. But I wanted >> to take it >> further and say that the compsci kids could hand in their >> finished work >> into the /homework/compsci folder, but not delete or change the file >> once it is there >> > > First of all, pardon my last message, I bumped send before typing :-) > > With the help of this list about 2 years ago now I got our homework > drop > folders setup. I wanted a very simple to manage setup that didn't > require me updating class groups all the time (I have no class > groups on > the server). I have a folder called "Drop" under /home. Under this I > have each teacher listed, under that I have their classes listed by > hour. Example: > > /home/Drop/Frisby/2hr > /home/Drop/Frisby/4hr > /home/Drop/Meurer/5hr > > You get the point. Drop has 2755 permissions with adm being the owner > and staff being the group. Staff is assigned of course to all staff. > Each teacher folder has 2775 permissions with the teacher being the > owner and the teacher the group. Each class folder (or hour) has 2773 > permissions, with the teacher again as both the user and group. This > allows all users of the system to navigate through the folder > structure > to any drop folder. They can drop to any drop folder. They however > cannot delete or view any items from any drop folder unless they > are the > teacher who owns the drop folder. The reason I did things this way is > that there may be 3 compsci classes, this method avoided getting > homework from all three classes mixed together. > > Next issue is that when dropped, the student still maintains ownership > of that file. This could cause trouble for the teacher trying to > move/delete/modify the file, or allow the student to overwrite it at a > later date. Plus this file still belongs to the student quota and not > the teachers. With the help of the list I now have the following > script > set via cron to run every minute. This script takes the owner of the > teacher folder that houses the class drop folders and sets the > permissions of all files inside to be owned by the teacher. Now the > student no longer has access to the file, the teacher has full > priveleges to modify and work with it, and it is now the teachers > responsibility to clean up the drop folders because the files there > chew > up their quota. Here is the script: > > #!/bin/bash > for file in /home/Drop/* > do owner=$(ls -ld \ > "$file"\ > |awk '{print $3}') > chown -R $owner \ > "$file" > Done > > Very simple file, but very effective. If you still want to break your > drop folders down in the order you specified above you would only need > minor changes to the script: > > #!/bin/bash > for file in /homework/* > do owner=$(ls -ld \ > "$file"\ > |awk '{print $3}') > chown -R $owner \ > "$file" > Done > > Then just be sure the class folder is owned by the proper staff > member. > > Hope that helps. > > P.S. If anyone does this and also has Apple users writing via > Appletalk, do yourself a favor and create an .AppleDouble folder under > each drop folder and give 777 permissions. This will eliminate the > many > crazy problems with Appletalk and permissions. And since no one knows > they are there I don't believe it causes much security problems. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > 7/22/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLlQvEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRhxgCfTbbTXHtY8h5viZNdxrNLlDkq RfkAn3SyCJAk2Pk5azeeYuiwBO3eVW53 =Dx/s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 25 20:41:33 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! Message-ID: Ok, I re-installed . . . again. . . and did it several times until I got the interfaces in there in the correct order and got it to work. It was passing data between the networks and all like it was supposed to. UNTIL. . . I ran a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and after that I get a bunch of crap displaying on the screen every time I try to do anything. Does it during boot, and anytime I run atp-get update or upgrade and even if I try to install something using rpm. It says things like this: for example: /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. What can I do? I can do *ANOTHER* install and then *NEVER* run apt-get upgrade and it will work fine, but I can't keep it updated. And after running the apt-upgrade, this server won't see out on the Internet by itself anymore. Was working fine *everything* before I ran apt-upgrade. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 25 20:44:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:44:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122324286.7770.56.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:41, Doug Simpson wrote: > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 > > and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, > but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. > > What can I do? I think the best approach is to disable SELinux until you understand exactly what it does. I certainly don't understand it myself. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 21:43:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: References: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 7/24/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I create a dir in home then I chgrp the dir file to be the group of > the class in question. > > Then chmod the dir file to give the group write only access with > others having no access. This can be achieved by the following > > chmod 730 "name of dir" > > 7 owner (root or you) has full access > 3=2(write)+1(execute on a dir is list) for group which you set with chgrp > 0 others have no access After reading up on the sticky bit. I'll change my advice to chmod 1730 "name of dir" If the sticky bit is set, so the permissions are 1730, then anyone in the group can add files to the directory, but each user can only delete their own files. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Jul 26 00:57:58 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:57:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory usage for KDE vs GNOME vs ICEWM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050725145758.ff3a3241@trunks> Anyone have server memory usage for KDE vs GNOME vs ICEWM? Just curious to see how many more clients you could run by using ICEWM. Wilson From robark at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 02:59:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:59:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory usage for KDE vs GNOME vs ICEWM In-Reply-To: <20050725145758.ff3a3241@trunks> References: <20050725145758.ff3a3241@trunks> Message-ID: On 7/25/05, Wilson Chan wrote: > Anyone have server memory usage for KDE vs GNOME vs ICEWM? Just curious to see how many more clients you could run by using ICEWM. I did an informal measure of icewm vs gnome on RH9. Ice took 1/3 the memory per user just for logging in. I'm not sure about newer version of gnome, they may be more efficient. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 26 04:44:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DONE. Was: Delays, delays, delays... In-Reply-To: <42E52F1E.7000309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42E52F1E.7000309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: > I promised to have K12LTSP 4.2.1EL released this weekend. I lied ;-) > > I found a problem with the final ISO build late last night and need to > re-run the build and verification process. > > Hopefully this will be completed tonight, but I have a major fire > burning here at work and my not have much time for K12LTSP for a day or two. I found enough time today to rebuild & test the ISOs. All looks peachy. I'm too beat to put out a formal announcement, I'll do that tomorrow. In the meantime, the final K12LTSP 4.2.1EL bits have been uploaded. If you have one of the K12LTSP 4.2.1EL pre-releases installed, just run apt-get/up2date/yum to sync up with the final bits and bytes. The ISO images are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jul 26 08:35:35 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:35:35 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: References: <005701c59127$708a96d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200507260835.35170.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 25 July 2005 15:53, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I am currently working on a new version using FLTK for the gui interface. I have a perl/Tk version which works with multiple servers. You run my TTool on one server and it allows you to control clients on any of the LTSP servers -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From jh at clongowes.net Tue Jul 26 09:48:11 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:48:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't log in as root at all. (Using SMB-LDAP) - nscd crashes Message-ID: <1122371290.2582.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> [Krsnendu dasa said] I was not able to log in as root until just now. I decided to turn off nscd to see what would happen. Guess what? Now I did su from terminal and got into root account. Yippee!!! I don't know if turning off nscd had anything to do with it but it is working so I am happy. [John Hegarty replies] I have the same problem. What I noticed is that whenever I try to log on from a windows box (not just root) nscd seems to crash which prevents authentication. From what I understand nscd isn't needed but it helps speed things up, as it caches information. I turned it off and had no further problems. I am only running in a test environment at the moment but would prefer to have everything working right before September. I'm using the current beta version (4.4.0-pre-2) and the alpa smbldap script. jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jul 26 10:50:32 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:50:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: <200507261256.j6QCu1V02724@downeast.net> can you share that with us??chuck > On Monday 25 July 2005 15:53, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I am currently working on a new version using FLTK for the gui interface. > > I have a perl/Tk version which works with multiple servers. You run my TTool > on one server and it allows you to control clients on any of the LTSP servers > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jul 26 13:44:29 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:44:29 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <200507261256.j6QCu1V02724@downeast.net> References: <200507261256.j6QCu1V02724@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200507261344.29813.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 26 July 2005 10:50, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > can you share that with us??chuck The two scripts are available here http://www.openhgs.org/contrib/ which you will need to modify to suit your local site, viz. TTool - fiddle with this line my @HOSTS=qw(homer marge bart lisa maggie mrburns) ; # hosts to process TTool_utils - fiddle with these lines FILTER1=("ROOM30" "ROOM31" "ROOM32") # Room filter ids FILTER2=("50-99" "100-149" "150-199" "50-249") # Room 30, 31, 32, catchall SKULKER="your_root_password" and you need to have perl/Tk and expect installed Note that I am still fiddling with these scripts; there are more features to be added at a later time, and it goes without saying that YMMV -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 26 12:46:30 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! In-Reply-To: <1122324286.7770.56.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1122324286.7770.56.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: OK, how do I do that? I edited the config file in /etc/selinux and set it to disabled and it made no difference. . . Another thing that ahppens is after that is all done, and it is messed up, I can't ssh from that box into any other box. Everywhere I try to ssh to it says Permission denied. Is there any way to take selinux off completely and see if that helps before I go through the setup again? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:41, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > > system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 > > > > and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, > > but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. > > > > What can I do? > > I think the best approach is to disable SELinux until you understand > exactly what it does. I certainly don't understand it myself. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel at solle.se Tue Jul 26 12:51:56 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:51:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! Message-ID: <1122382316.81d7c4cdaniel@solle.se> You can also disable SELinux by starting system-config-securitylevel either from the menu or from the commandline as root. /Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Simpson To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Problems! OK, how do I do that? I edited the config file in /etc/selinux and set it to disabled and it made no difference. . . Another thing that ahppens is after that is all done, and it is messed up, I can't ssh from that box into any other box. Everywhere I try to ssh to it says Permission denied. Is there any way to take selinux off completely and see if that helps before I go through the setup again? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:41, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > > system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 > > > > and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, > > but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. > > > > What can I do? > > I think the best approach is to disable SELinux until you understand > exactly what it does. I certainly don't understand it myself. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 26 12:54:51 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:54:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! In-Reply-To: <1122382316.81d7c4cdaniel@solle.se> References: <1122382316.81d7c4cdaniel@solle.se> Message-ID: I'll try it that way and see what happens. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > > You can also disable SELinux by starting system-config-securitylevel either from the menu or from the commandline as root. > > /Cheers! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Simpson > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Problems! > > OK, how do I do that? > > I edited the config file in /etc/selinux and set it to disabled and it > made no difference. . . > > Another thing that ahppens is after that is all done, and it is messed up, > I can't ssh from that box into any other box. Everywhere I try to ssh to > it says Permission denied. > > Is there any way to take selinux off completely and see if that helps > before I go through the setup again? > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:41, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > > > system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 > > > > > > and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, > > > but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. > > > > > > What can I do? > > > > I think the best approach is to disable SELinux until you understand > > exactly what it does. I certainly don't understand it myself. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 26 13:01:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:01:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <200507260835.35170.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <000501c591e2$2f5bf800$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I have a perl/Tk version which works with multiple servers. > You run my TTool > on one server and it allows you to control clients on any of > the LTSP servers Would you mind posting a link to it so I could download it and check it out? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aust_txv at access-k12.org Tue Jul 26 13:24:28 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:24:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Kiosk Solutions In-Reply-To: <20050723194045.44715.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050723194045.44715.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1122384268.32068.3.camel@austcdburner.austintown.k12.oh.us> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 12:40 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > The book "Knoppix Hacks" Ditto that !!! The book is cool. If you are new to Linux ( not just Knoppix) the book touches on many many subjects that cross over between the windoze and Linux worlds. Tom Ventresco From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 26 13:48:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:48:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console Message-ID: <000601c591e8$c49fe2e0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I really want to give this a try since the SAMBA/LDAP installer is using IDEALX. I figure things should play nice and the console looks very appealing. I have K12ltsp 4.4.0 pre 2 running with the latest SMB/LDAP 2.0 alpha. I cannot get IMC to work. I get the following errors when I try to start it: **************************************************** [root at ltsp ~]# /etc/init.d/imc start Starting imc-server: Can't load '/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/i386-linux-thread-multi/auto/Net/SSLeay/ SSLeay.so' for module Net::SSLeay: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 230. at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 17 Compilation failed in require at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 17. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 17. Compilation failed in require at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../lib/IMC/HTTP/Server.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../lib/IMC/HTTP/Server.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/imc-server line 21. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/imc-server line 21. [FAILED] **************************************************** I downloaded the Fedora Core 3 rpms (that was the newest version available). I tried to compile after that didn't work but I cannot get "make dist" to run when trying to build new rpms. Has anyone gotten this to work? I tried on 4.2 if I remember right and ran into similar problems. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 26 14:05:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:05:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console In-Reply-To: <000601c591e8$c49fe2e0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000701c591eb$137bcdf0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Has anyone gotten this to work? I tried on 4.2 if I remember > right and ran into similar problems. Okay. I needed to # cd /lib # ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 # ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 I guess my versions of these files are newer than what it was looking for so I just tricked it. Now I can access the console, but it looks like I need to configure it. Here goes...... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From marksarria at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 26 14:13:06 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:13:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console References: <000701c591eb$137bcdf0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002a01c591ec$254b5310$6401a8c0@digital1> How did you trick it?, what did you do?, I had the same problem and I could not figure it out, so I just gave up on the console. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console >> Has anyone gotten this to work? I tried on 4.2 if I remember >> right and ran into similar problems. > > Okay. I needed to > # cd /lib > # ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 > # ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 > > I guess my versions of these files are newer than what it was looking > for so I just tricked it. > > Now I can access the console, but it looks like I need to configure it. > > Here goes...... > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 26 14:16:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:16:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console In-Reply-To: <002a01c591ec$254b5310$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <000801c591ec$a7d60e60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > How did you trick it?, what did you do?, I had the same > problem and I could > not figure it out, so I just gave up on the console. > > > Okay. I needed to > > # cd /lib > > # ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 > > # ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 By doing the above three steps. I just linked libssl.so.5 to so.4 and libcrypto.so.5 to so.4. Go ahead and type the above commands at the terminal and give it a go again. Now I just need to figure out how to configure imc.xml to be able to login. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 26 14:23:46 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:23:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems! In-Reply-To: References: <1122382316.81d7c4cdaniel@solle.se> Message-ID: Well, turning off selinux fixed it. I wasn't aware that it required a reboot when you disabled it or it wouldn't take effect. That is why it wouldn't work before. Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Doug Simpson wrote: > I'll try it that way and see what happens. . . > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > > > > > You can also disable SELinux by starting system-config-securitylevel either from the menu or from the commandline as root. > > > > /Cheers! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Simpson > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Problems! > > > > OK, how do I do that? > > > > I edited the config file in /etc/selinux and set it to disabled and it > > made no difference. . . > > > > Another thing that ahppens is after that is all done, and it is messed up, > > I can't ssh from that box into any other box. Everywhere I try to ssh to > > it says Permission denied. > > > > Is there any way to take selinux off completely and see if that helps > > before I go through the setup again? > > > > Thanks > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:41, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > > > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > > > > system_u: object_r: texrel_shlib_t on line 1002 > > > > > > > > and the part that says texrel_shlib_t varies and so does the line number, > > > > but it starts about line number 200 and goes clear to over 1000. > > > > > > > > What can I do? > > > > > > I think the best approach is to disable SELinux until you understand > > > exactly what it does. I certainly don't understand it myself. > > > > > > -- > > > Les Mikesell > > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jul 26 16:05:43 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:05:43 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay Message-ID: <1122393944.9949.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Question: Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in doing a "/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or whatever? Background detail: It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 desktop. Story is, I run a small setup with just a couple of clients at the moment with my server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I might be playing a game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight of all apps bring the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only have to go to a terminal to kill the game because I've lost control of it, but I lose control of my mouse in the process. When I have a frozen mouse the keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting X does it, but I don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of things happening. Google was not my friend in looking for answers to this problem :-( -- Regards, Gavin Chester From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jul 26 16:12:16 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay In-Reply-To: <1122393944.9949.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> With my KVM I can some times regain control of the mouse by ++ to get to the console and + to return to X. Not ideal and it doesn't always work for me... Tim --- Gavin Chester wrote: > Question: > Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in > doing a > "/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or > whatever? > > Background detail: > It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 > desktop. Story is, I > run a small setup with just a couple of clients at > the moment with my > server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I > might be playing a > game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight > of all apps bring > the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only > have to go to a > terminal to kill the game because I've lost control > of it, but I lose > control of my mouse in the process. When I have a > frozen mouse the > keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting > X does it, but I > don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of > things happening. > Google was not my friend in looking for answers to > this problem :-( > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jul 26 16:20:36 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:20:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay In-Reply-To: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1122394836.9949.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:12 -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > With my KVM I can some times regain control of the > mouse by ++ to get to the console and > + to return to X. > > Not ideal and it doesn't always work for me... > > Tim Okay - the ol' YMMV :-) Thanks for the quick response, and interesting to see it happens to others. I hadn't thought of trying that. Next time it happens I give that a try. In the meantime if anyone has _the_ definitive mouse-restart command I'll add that to my stable of tricks, too ... > --- Gavin Chester wrote: > > > Question: > > Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in > > doing a > > "/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or > > whatever? > > > > Background detail: > > It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 > > desktop. Story is, I > > run a small setup with just a couple of clients at > > the moment with my > > server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I > > might be playing a > > game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight > > of all apps bring > > the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only > > have to go to a > > terminal to kill the game because I've lost control > > of it, but I lose > > control of my mouse in the process. When I have a > > frozen mouse the > > keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting > > X does it, but I > > don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of > > things happening. > > Google was not my friend in looking for answers to > > this problem :-( > > -- > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists at misato.us Tue Jul 26 16:22:54 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:22:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay In-Reply-To: <1122394836.9949.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1122394836.9949.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42E6635E.7060707@misato.us> It actually seems to be a bug in fedora core 3/4. They moved to 4K kernel stacks (which I think is the cause of most of these problems). Jason Gavin Chester wrote: >On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:12 -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > > >>With my KVM I can some times regain control of the >>mouse by ++ to get to the console and >>+ to return to X. >> >>Not ideal and it doesn't always work for me... >> >>Tim >> >> > >Okay - the ol' YMMV :-) Thanks for the quick response, and interesting >to see it happens to others. I hadn't thought of trying that. Next >time it happens I give that a try. In the meantime if anyone has _the_ >definitive mouse-restart command I'll add that to my stable of tricks, >too ... > > > > >>--- Gavin Chester wrote: >> >> >> >>>Question: >>>Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in >>>doing a >>>"/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or >>>whatever? >>> >>>Background detail: >>>It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 >>>desktop. Story is, I >>>run a small setup with just a couple of clients at >>>the moment with my >>>server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I >>>might be playing a >>>game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight >>>of all apps bring >>>the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only >>>have to go to a >>>terminal to kill the game because I've lost control >>>of it, but I lose >>>control of my mouse in the process. When I have a >>>frozen mouse the >>>keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting >>>X does it, but I >>>don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of >>>things happening. >>>Google was not my friend in looking for answers to >>>this problem :-( >>>-- >>>Regards, >>> Gavin Chester >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jul 26 18:57:31 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:57:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console In-Reply-To: <000801c591ec$a7d60e60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000801c591ec$a7d60e60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E6879B.5060200@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>How did you trick it?, what did you do?, I had the same >>problem and I could >>not figure it out, so I just gave up on the console. >> >> >> >>>Okay. I needed to >>># cd /lib >>># ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 >>># ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 >>> >>> > >By doing the above three steps. I just linked libssl.so.5 to so.4 and >libcrypto.so.5 to so.4. Go ahead and type the above commands at the >terminal and give it a go again. > >Now I just need to figure out how to configure imc.xml to be able to >login. > > > I built the Fedora Core 3 rpms that you've downloaded :-) I can send you my imc.xml if you like and send you some tips if you like Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 26 19:23:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:23:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console In-Reply-To: <42E6879B.5060200@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002001c59217$81b9fcc0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I built the Fedora Core 3 rpms that you've downloaded :-) > > I can send you my imc.xml if you like and send you some tips > if you like I've got my imc.xml configured and logging in fine. Now I could probably just use the tips :-) New users I have added here don't seem to have the same permissions as those made at the console. Also I am having trouble modifying users added via console smbldap-useradd scripts and such. I am loading a sandbox for Fedoray Directory Server while I type this as well. It really looks promising, at the moment :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jul 26 19:29:22 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:29:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console In-Reply-To: <002001c59217$81b9fcc0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002001c59217$81b9fcc0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E68F12.9080702@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> The most important thing I did was add an ACL to my openldap config so I could do anything. I can let you have this tomorrow if you interested when I'm back in work. I have to admit that I use LAM and jexplorer (windows java LDAP browser) more than IMC at the moment as I've just rolled our system out into College so I'm fighting fires more than managing at the moment :-) !!! Brian Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I built the Fedora Core 3 rpms that you've downloaded :-) >> >>I can send you my imc.xml if you like and send you some tips >>if you like >> >> > >I've got my imc.xml configured and logging in fine. Now I could >probably just use the tips :-) > >New users I have added here don't seem to have the same permissions as >those made at the console. Also I am having trouble modifying users >added via console smbldap-useradd scripts and such. > >I am loading a sandbox for Fedoray Directory Server while I type this as >well. It really looks promising, at the moment :-) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From marksarria at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 26 20:42:55 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:42:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console References: <000801c591ec$a7d60e60$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <42E6879B.5060200@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <003201c59222$9a6f83b0$6401a8c0@digital1> Hey Brian, I'll take the imc.xml, I am working on my sandbox and would like to test out the console one more time. -mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chivers" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>>How did you trick it?, what did you do?, I had the same problem and I >>>could not figure it out, so I just gave up on the console. >>> >>> >>>>Okay. I needed to >>>># cd /lib >>>># ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 >>>># ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 >>>> >> >>By doing the above three steps. I just linked libssl.so.5 to so.4 and >>libcrypto.so.5 to so.4. Go ahead and type the above commands at the >>terminal and give it a go again. >> >>Now I just need to figure out how to configure imc.xml to be able to >>login. >> >> > I built the Fedora Core 3 rpms that you've downloaded :-) > > I can send you my imc.xml if you like and send you some tips if you like > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Jul 26 23:08:48 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:08:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] weirdness with sound Message-ID: <42E6C280.5040501@shaw.ca> ok, I installed 4.4.x pre2, went through the "install additional software" icons, including Flash. Modified lts.conf to esd and the s module for my soundcards on thin clients went to tuxpaint and had sound went to firefox www.starfall.com (a teacher favourite) and had sound in there. Happy Happy days. then I did yum updates, installed other software, and added 600+ users via webmin batch files, but somehow screwed up and deleted/overwrote nfsnobody user then nothing worked well gave up trying to figure it out and wiped harddrive and reloaded went through mostly the same procedure (minus adding users) only difference was I did the yum update before running the "install additional software" stuff went to firefox and www.starfall.com and have NO Sound? What gives? Please someone explain how I can get it back without wiping, reloading, and trying again frustrated and not understanding how I screwed up HELP PLEASE From pfaffman at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 02:14:36 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:14:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP auth for non-existent accounts & best way to add a K12LTSP server to university network Message-ID: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to set up a K12LTSP box for my university. I'd like to authenticate against the university's LDAP (or AD) server for logins and Samba. If I add a user, they can authenticate against ldap like I want (SMB works for Mac clients, but not Windoze clients, go figure). I don't know who my users will be and don't want to have to add them. Is there some (easy) way to make it so that if they log in and the account doesn't already exist it gets set up & stuff copied from /etc/skel and so on? Any ideas why Macs can mount Samba, but XP has a problem with authenticating? I read something about Samba trying blank passwords first or something to try to solve some problem with AD or something, but clearly, I didn't really understand it. I'm trying hard to convince folks that the teachers we're training need to be exposed to Linux and OSS in general. I "won" and got a pretty nice server. I lost because it looks like I'm going to be sysadmin, at least in the short term. (I'm a Doctor of Philosophy, Jim, not a sysadmin! Sysadmins make more money, or did when I started grad school.) Worst case I can punt & let our admin install XP on it and use it as a file server, but I'd rather not. The other thing that I'll need to figure out is the best way to have clients connect. I'm inclined to have folks use VNC. I don't control the network, which makes DCHP and thin clients troublesome & I'm not sure I trust letting random clients connect via NFS. Is there a better solution than VNC? What about that NX thing? -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 02:17:46 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:17:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DONE. Was: Delays, delays, delays... In-Reply-To: References: <42E52F1E.7000309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9326098005072619173d56d402@mail.gmail.com> Not to be a whiner or an ingrate, but is there going to be a 4.4EL? 4.2EL has installed on a few systems that 4.4 crapped out on. (It had to do with the way the disk was partitioned, if I deleted all the partitions and then ran the installer the non EL versions worked fine.) On 7/26/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I promised to have K12LTSP 4.2.1EL released this weekend. I lied ;-) > > > > I found a problem with the final ISO build late last night and need to > > re-run the build and verification process. > > > > Hopefully this will be completed tonight, but I have a major fire > > burning here at work and my not have much time for K12LTSP for a day or two. > > I found enough time today to rebuild & test the ISOs. All looks peachy. > > I'm too beat to put out a formal announcement, I'll do that tomorrow. > > In the meantime, the final K12LTSP 4.2.1EL bits have been uploaded. > > If you have one of the K12LTSP 4.2.1EL pre-releases installed, just > run apt-get/up2date/yum to sync up with the final bits and bytes. > > The ISO images are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1EL/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From moquist at majen.net Wed Jul 27 02:49:13 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:49:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050726141317.6B1B673890@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050726141317.6B1B673890@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050727024913.GD16497@majen.net> > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: [K12OSN] IDEALX Management Console > > I really want to give this a try since the SAMBA/LDAP installer is using > IDEALX. I figure things should play nice and the console looks very > appealing. Yes, it does. I just slapped this onto a 4.2.1 box last (this?) week and had great success. I can give you remote login access to the box if you're interested in test-driving it. I had to 'yum install rrdtool' and then install the 3 RPMs, and everything worked great after I did a quick search 'n replace in whatever config file it uses (I forget). I'll probably be trying this on a 4.4.0-whatever box next week, so I can let you know how it goes for me then. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From moquist at majen.net Wed Jul 27 03:04:41 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:04:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: IDEALX Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050726160035.480117399C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050726160035.480117399C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050727030441.GE16497@majen.net> > > > # cd /lib > > > # ln libssl.so.5 libssl.so.4 > > > # ln libcrypto.so.5 libcrypto.so.4 > > By doing the above three steps. I just linked libssl.so.5 to so.4 and > libcrypto.so.5 to so.4. Go ahead and type the above commands at the > terminal and give it a go again. > > Now I just need to figure out how to configure imc.xml to be able to > login. Oh - that's the file. In vim, assuming that your LDAP base is "dc=boogie,dc=woogie,dc=org", run the following command: :%s/dc=idealx,dc=com/dc=boogie,dc=woogie,dc=org/g Or, do this: $ sed 's/dc=idealx,dc=com/dc=boogie,dc=woogie,dc=org/g' /opt/IDEALX/imc/etc/imc.xml > /tmp/imc.xml.tmp $ cp /opt/IDEALX/imc/etc/imc.xml /opt/IDEALX/imc/etc/imc.xml.org $ cp /tmp/imc.xml.tmp /opt/IDEALX/imc/etc/imc.xml I *think* that's all I did. Then I restarted imc: /etc/init.d/imc restart And then I pointed my browser to: https://localhost:8080 The "https" is very important; if you leave off the 's' then you don't get any feedback at all. Oh - and then you need to make sure you have a user who is in the "Domain Admins" group. I did the following for my "lkj" user: $ /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-usermod -G 512 lkj Then I logged in as 'lkj'. Also, if I let my Console session time out, I had to restart the browser in order to authenticate again. I'm not sure why. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 03:09:12 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:09:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DONE. Was: Delays, delays, delays... In-Reply-To: <9326098005072619173d56d402@mail.gmail.com> References: <42E52F1E.7000309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <9326098005072619173d56d402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/26/05, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > Not to be a whiner or an ingrate, but is there going to be a 4.4EL? > Not speaking for Eric but I doubt it. The EL refers to the fact that it's Enterprise Linux. Based on RHEL 4 so when Redhat releases the next version (RHEL 5) I expect we may have a version of k12ltsp based on it. But that will take a while as RHEL has LONG release cycles. 4.4 is based on Fedora Core 4 which is not EL quality but is meant to have the newest available features. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 27 03:10:25 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:10:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP auth for non-existent accounts & best way to add a K12LTSP server to university network In-Reply-To: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42E6FB21.4000502@cmosnetworks.com> Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I'm trying to set up a K12LTSP box for my university. I'd like to >authenticate against the university's LDAP (or AD) server for logins >and Samba. If I add a user, they can authenticate against ldap like I >want (SMB works for Mac clients, but not Windoze clients, go figure). >I don't know who my users will be and don't want to have to add them. >Is there some (easy) way to make it so that if they log in and the >account doesn't already exist it gets set up & stuff copied from >/etc/skel and so on? > >Any ideas why Macs can mount Samba, but XP has a problem with >authenticating? I read something about Samba trying blank passwords >first or something to try to solve some problem with AD or something, >but clearly, I didn't really understand it. > >I'm trying hard to convince folks that the teachers we're training >need to be exposed to Linux and OSS in general. I "won" and got a >pretty nice server. I lost because it looks like I'm going to be >sysadmin, at least in the short term. (I'm a Doctor of Philosophy, >Jim, not a sysadmin! Sysadmins make more money, or did when I started >grad school.) Worst case I can punt & let our admin install XP on it >and use it as a file server, but I'd rather not. > >The other thing that I'll need to figure out is the best way to have >clients connect. I'm inclined to have folks use VNC. I don't control >the network, which makes DCHP and thin clients troublesome & I'm not >sure I trust letting random clients connect via NFS. Is there a >better solution than VNC? What about that NX thing? > > I don't know about automatically making home directories when authenticating against the Craptive Directory, but I do know about XP clients authenticating against Samba. Yes, you do have to turn on encrypted passwords if you're using local authentication. This means that you're using something like smbpasswd or TDBSAM. What I would do is make your Samba server a member server in the Craptive Directory. Then, your Samba server will check against the AD whenever your Windows XP clients want to access files. I did this all the time back in the Samba 2.2 days with Windows NT 4.0 domains; it worked quite well with both NT Workstation 4.0 and Win 2K. As for thin clients, you might want to talk to your DHCP server administrator about adding the appropriate DHCP scope parameters for your thin clients. Then, you could simply do a single-NIC K12LTSP install, turn off dhcpd, and use your enterprise DHCP setup. This is how I typically do it. The thick clients will simply ignore the tftpboot and nfsmount stuff and act as they always have. Another option is to simply put the thin clients' network drops in a VLAN and put your K12LTSP server's eth0 NIC into that VLAN (I hope you're using Gig-E on eth0!). You would also turn off the built-in firewall so your Win XP clients can access the Samba server. --TP From kmeyer at blarg.net Wed Jul 27 03:23:24 2005 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:23:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: Wednesday 7/27 at 9am WEBCAST: Kids, Video Games & the Classroom Message-ID: FYI Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: communitytech Listmanager [mailto:communitytech.listmanager at talk.seattle.gov] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:39 PM To: Recipients of 'communitytech' suppressed Subject: Wednesday 7/27 at 9am WEBCAST: Kids, Video Games & the Classroom From: "David Keyes" WEBCAST: Kids, Video Games & the Classroom Wednesday, July 27 9-10 am Pacific Time A special one-hour online event from the Center for Media & Community at EDC. "Kids, Video Games & the Classroom: Is it time to incorporate kids' favorite technology into our schools?" As video games play an increasingly prominent role in the private lives of school-age children, cutting-edge researchers and educators are investigating the addition of educational value to this popular tool. Presenters will include Professor Chris Dede, Harvard Graduate School of Education; Michelle Halsell, CEO & Founder, Missing Pixel and Marc Prensky, CEO & Founder, Games2Train. TO PARTICIPATE: Visit: http://econference.edc.org If you are not already a member of the eConference Center, you can sign up by following the "To Join" link. Please sign up at least 30 minutes prior to the meeting. Then navigate to Meeting Room "A" from the left-hand menu. Invitation code: 79505 Existing members may enter Meeting Room "A" by following this link: http://home.learningtimes.net/edc?go=467058 The number of virtual seats is limited and the program is first-come, first-served. The software takes about 20 minutes to download, so it's recommended that participants begin the process by 11:30am EST. Questions can be emailed to Cedar Pruitt at cpruitt at edc.org . ------------------------------------------------ * Connections for Tomorrow national CTC discussion list * * Any questions? Please write CTCNet staff at info2005 at ctcnet.org. * * Archives: http://mail.ctcnet.org/connect/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jul 27 10:06:02 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:06:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> Jason Ingalls wrote: > >Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile directory and >home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use roaming >profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories from roaming to >cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon script). We >instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file via logon >script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since these folders >would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live amongst the the >other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that would randomly >disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately we stuck with >using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home directory and put >the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier than putting the >profiles in the default location because we have a large partition for /home. > > Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jul 27 11:02:18 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:02:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> Message-ID: <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Jason Ingalls wrote: > > >>Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile directory and >>home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use roaming >>profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories from roaming to >>cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon script). We >>instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file via logon >>script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since these folders >>would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live amongst the the >>other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that would randomly >>disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately we stuck with >>using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home directory and put >>the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier than putting the >>profiles in the default location because we have a large partition for /home. >> >> > > Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? > Thanks > Mark > Which bit you do want to know to do. I can send you our reg files that I use to redirect My Doc's to there home drives Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Jul 27 11:10:32 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:10:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: I would be interested too in looking into these's reg files :-) Kevin Op 27-jul-05, om 13:02 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >> Jason Ingalls wrote: >> >> >>> Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile >>> directory and >>> home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use >>> roaming >>> profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories >>> from roaming to >>> cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon >>> script). We >>> instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file >>> via logon >>> script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since >>> these folders >>> would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live >>> amongst the the >>> other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that >>> would randomly >>> disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately >>> we stuck with >>> using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home >>> directory and put >>> the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier >>> than putting the >>> profiles in the default location because we have a large >>> partition for /home. >>> >>> >>> >> Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> > Which bit you do want to know to do. > > I can send you our reg files that I use to redirect My Doc's to > there home drives > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not > necessarily the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jul 27 11:27:17 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:27:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42E76F95.4040607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Kevin Verheyen wrote: > I would be interested too in looking into these's reg files :-) > > Kevin > > > Op 27-jul-05, om 13:02 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: > > >> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >>> Jason Ingalls wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile >>>> directory and >>>> home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use >>>> roaming >>>> profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories from >>>> roaming to >>>> cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon >>>> script). We >>>> instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file via >>>> logon >>>> script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since >>>> these folders >>>> would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live >>>> amongst the the >>>> other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that >>>> would randomly >>>> disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately we >>>> stuck with >>>> using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home >>>> directory and put >>>> the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier than >>>> putting the >>>> profiles in the default location because we have a large partition >>>> for /home. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? >>> Thanks >>> Mark >>> >>> >> Which bit you do want to know to do. >> >> I can send you our reg files that I use to redirect My Doc's to there >> home drives >> >> Brian >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not >> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Just looked through what my login script etc actually do and it's not a reg entry that alter the My Doc's it's actually my KIX login script that alters the location. I can let you all have this if you like but looking at it the reg hive below is what it alters. If you look at the section "Personal" it is pointed to p:\\ which is the drive I map for the users home dir. If you look through you could alter loads of stuff like where Favourites etc are saved, which I might start doing. Brian HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Application Data" "Cookies"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Cookies" "Desktop"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Desktop" "Favorites"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Favorites" "NetHood"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\NetHood" "Personal"="p:\\" "My Pictures"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\My Documents\\My Pictures" "PrintHood"="" "Recent"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Recent" "SendTo"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\SendTo" "Start Menu"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start Menu" "Templates"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Templates" "Programs"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start Menu\\Programs" "Startup"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start Menu\\Programs\\StartUp" "Local Settings"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local Settings" "Local AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local Settings\\Application Data" "Cache"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files" "History"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local Settings\\History" "Fonts"="C:\\WINNT\\Fonts" "Administrative Tools"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian\\Start Menu\\Programs\\Administrative Tools" --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jul 27 11:40:19 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:40:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay In-Reply-To: <42E6635E.7060707@misato.us> References: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1122394836.9949.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E6635E.7060707@misato.us> Message-ID: <1122464419.13946.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:22 -0400, Jason Straw wrote: > It actually seems to be a bug in fedora core 3/4. They moved to 4K > kernel stacks (which I think is the cause of most of these problems). > > Jason That's depressing :-( I repeated the conditions today and sure enough me playing frozen-bubble while the kids played supertux brought this old 450MHz PII to its knees and I had a frozen mouse and "veryniced" frozen-bubble unresponsive on my screen. Had to kill X to get the mouse back because sadly your suggestion was not effective, Tim (see below). However, while researching the matter I came across this line: gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2 (running as root) If I gave that a shot at a terminal I wonder if I'd get my mouse back? I'll let you know, next time I "reproduce" the bug :-) > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > >On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:12 -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > >>With my KVM I can some times regain control of the > >>mouse by ++ to get to the console and > >>+ to return to X. > >> > >>Not ideal and it doesn't always work for me... > >> > >>Tim > >> > >> > > > >Okay - the ol' YMMV :-) Thanks for the quick response, and interesting > >to see it happens to others. I hadn't thought of trying that. Next > >time it happens I give that a try. In the meantime if anyone has _the_ > >definitive mouse-restart command I'll add that to my stable of tricks, > >too ... > > > > > > > > > >>--- Gavin Chester wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Question: > >>>Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in > >>>doing a > >>>"/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or > >>>whatever? > >>> > >>>Background detail: > >>>It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 > >>>desktop. Story is, I > >>>run a small setup with just a couple of clients at > >>>the moment with my > >>>server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I > >>>might be playing a > >>>game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight > >>>of all apps bring > >>>the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only > >>>have to go to a > >>>terminal to kill the game because I've lost control > >>>of it, but I lose > >>>control of my mouse in the process. When I have a > >>>frozen mouse the > >>>keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting > >>>X does it, but I > >>>don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of > >>>things happening. > >>>Google was not my friend in looking for answers to > >>>this problem :-( > >>>-- > >>>Regards, > >>> Gavin Chester > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jul 27 12:32:26 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:32:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E76F95.4040607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E76F95.4040607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42E77EDA.3050007@msln.net> Ia few issues I've run into Changing the domain to logon to shows a box that says "creating domain list please wait" I have to ctl+alt+del to get past it and Logons are forever, Assuming my DNS is not right Any suggestions? Mark Brian Chivers wrote: > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> I would be interested too in looking into these's reg files :-) >> >> Kevin >> >> >> Op 27-jul-05, om 13:02 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jason Ingalls wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile >>>>> directory and >>>>> home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use >>>>> roaming >>>>> profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories >>>>> from roaming to >>>>> cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon >>>>> script). We >>>>> instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file >>>>> via logon >>>>> script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since >>>>> these folders >>>>> would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live >>>>> amongst the the >>>>> other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that >>>>> would randomly >>>>> disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately >>>>> we stuck with >>>>> using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home >>>>> directory and put >>>>> the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier >>>>> than putting the >>>>> profiles in the default location because we have a large >>>>> partition for /home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? >>>> Thanks >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>> Which bit you do want to know to do. >>> >>> I can send you our reg files that I use to redirect My Doc's to >>> there home drives >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The views expressed here are my own and not >>> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > Just looked through what my login script etc actually do and it's not > a reg entry that alter the My Doc's it's actually my KIX login script > that alters the location. > > I can let you all have this if you like but looking at it the reg hive > below is what it alters. If you look at the section "Personal" it is > pointed to p:\\ which is the drive I map for the users home dir. If > you look through you could alter loads of stuff like where Favourites > etc are saved, which I might start doing. > > Brian > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > "AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Application > Data" > "Cookies"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Cookies" > "Desktop"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Desktop" > "Favorites"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Favorites" > "NetHood"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\NetHood" > "Personal"="p:\\" > "My Pictures"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\My > Documents\\My Pictures" > "PrintHood"="" > "Recent"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Recent" > "SendTo"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\SendTo" > "Start Menu"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start Menu" > "Templates"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Templates" > "Programs"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start > Menu\\Programs" > "Startup"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start > Menu\\Programs\\StartUp" > "Local Settings"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local > Settings" > "Local AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local > Settings\\Application Data" > "Cache"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local > Settings\\Temporary Internet Files" > "History"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local > Settings\\History" > "Fonts"="C:\\WINNT\\Fonts" > "Administrative Tools"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian\\Start > Menu\\Programs\\Administrative Tools" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 27 13:00:30 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:00:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E77EDA.3050007@msln.net> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <42E769BA.80606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E76F95.4040607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E77EDA.3050007@msln.net> Message-ID: <20050727090030.rc78x1rjh7xcc4ws@webmail> I found that everything works better when I tell samba on the PDC to act as a wins server, and then in my DHCP set my samba PDC as the primary WINS server for all clients. Not sure if this is your problem or not, just throwing it out there. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Mark Gumprecht : > Ia few issues I've run into > Changing the domain to logon to shows a box that says "creating domain > list please wait" I have to ctl+alt+del to get past it > and > Logons are forever, Assuming my DNS is not right > Any suggestions? > Mark > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >>> I would be interested too in looking into these's reg files :-) >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> Op 27-jul-05, om 13:02 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> >>>> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jason Ingalls wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile >>>>>> directory and >>>>>> home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use >>>>>> roaming >>>>>> profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories >>>>>> from roaming to >>>>>> cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon >>>>>> script). We >>>>>> instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file >>>>>> via logon >>>>>> script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since >>>>>> these folders >>>>>> would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live >>>>>> amongst the the >>>>>> other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that >>>>>> would randomly >>>>>> disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately >>>>>> we stuck with >>>>>> using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home >>>>>> directory and put >>>>>> the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier >>>>>> than putting the >>>>>> profiles in the default location because we have a large >>>>>> partition for /home. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Which bit you do want to know to do. >>>> >>>> I can send you our reg files that I use to redirect My Doc's to >>>> there home drives >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not >>>> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> Just looked through what my login script etc actually do and it's not >> a reg entry that alter the My Doc's it's actually my KIX login script >> that alters the location. >> >> I can let you all have this if you like but looking at it the reg hive >> below is what it alters. If you look at the section "Personal" it is >> pointed to p:\\ which is the drive I map for the users home dir. If >> you look through you could alter loads of stuff like where Favourites >> etc are saved, which I might start doing. >> >> Brian >> >> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> "AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Application >> Data" >> "Cookies"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Cookies" >> "Desktop"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Desktop" >> "Favorites"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Favorites" >> "NetHood"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\NetHood" >> "Personal"="p:\\" >> "My Pictures"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\My >> Documents\\My Pictures" >> "PrintHood"="" >> "Recent"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Recent" >> "SendTo"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\SendTo" >> "Start Menu"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start Menu" >> "Templates"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Templates" >> "Programs"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start >> Menu\\Programs" >> "Startup"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Start >> Menu\\Programs\\StartUp" >> "Local Settings"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local >> Settings" >> "Local AppData"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local >> Settings\\Application Data" >> "Cache"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local >> Settings\\Temporary Internet Files" >> "History"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian.TANGIER.000\\Local >> Settings\\History" >> "Fonts"="C:\\WINNT\\Fonts" >> "Administrative Tools"="C:\\Documents and Settings\\brian\\Start >> Menu\\Programs\\Administrative Tools" >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 27 13:18:45 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:18:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> Message-ID: <20050727091845.30atgcjn4xc8sswg@webmail> Here is how I do it (files are in netlogon share on PDC) startup.bat: REM Change directory to P:\ cd p: REM If the folders My Documents and Desktop REM don't exist in P:\ create them. IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" REM Now that we are certain that both directories exist, REM run regedit silently using the file on osprey. regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg REM This didn't work... REM regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\logoff.reg :END =================== mydoc.reg REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet Files;History;Temp;My Documents;Desktop" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" ============== You can see here the first thing I do with the reg file is define which directories I exlude from roaming. Then I modifiy the entries that tell where to point My Documents (personal) and desktop. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Mark Gumprecht : > > > Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> >> Perhaps the most important lesson we learned was that the profile >> directory and >> home directory MUST be different! What we decided to do was use roaming >> profiles, but exclude the Desktop and My Documents directories from >> roaming to >> cut down on logon/logoff time (by merging a .reg file via logon script). We >> instead chose to use folder redirection (by merging a .reg file via logon >> script) for those two folders. We thought (wrongly) that since these folders >> would be exluded from roaming the redirected folders could live >> amongst the the >> other profile directories. What this resulted in was files that >> would randomly >> disappear from the Desktop and My Documents folders. Ultimately we >> stuck with >> using folder redirection, but we redirected them to the home >> directory and put >> the profiles in /home/profiles/username. This made me happier than >> putting the >> profiles in the default location because we have a large partition >> for /home. >> >> > Does anyone have a howto on redirect or a url? > Thanks > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 27 13:41:37 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:41:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP Message-ID: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail server. We already have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user accounts?? Thanks, -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jul 27 13:54:53 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:54:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> Message-ID: <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jason Ingalls wrote: > I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail server. We already > have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME > authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user accounts?? > > Thanks, > You should be able to do this using the pam_ldap & nss_ldap packages. On our Suse 9.1 server it's just a config in YASY or Fedora core I just ran "setup" and then went into the authentication section and set things up. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 27 15:17:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:17:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <20050727024913.GD16497@majen.net> Message-ID: <003a01c592be$3d271460$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes, it does. I just slapped this onto a 4.2.1 box last > (this?) week and had great success. I can give you remote > login access to the box if you're interested in test-driving it. > > I had to 'yum install rrdtool' and then install the 3 RPMs, > and everything worked great after I did a quick search 'n > replace in whatever config file it uses (I forget). > > I'll probably be trying this on a 4.4.0-whatever box next > week, so I can let you know how it goes for me then. I keep thinking I get this running and then BAM! It doesn't work. Now I get 500 internal server errors, the service starts with some weird "Not a GLOB reference" error at line 454 or SSL.pm, the login link on the home page brings up a blank page, just weird stuff. I wonder if this just isn't compatable with FC4 yet. I try to rpm -e imc-1.2.50 to reinstall and it says "error reading information on service imc: no such file or directory" "error: %postun (imc-1.2.50-1.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 1" But /etc/init.d/imc start starts the service with the above error. Has anyone given this a whirl on FC4? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From shahms at shahms.com Wed Jul 27 15:26:19 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:26:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP auth for non-existent accounts & best way to add a K12LTSP server to university network In-Reply-To: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42E7A79B.3050705@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jay Pfaffman wrote: | I'm trying to set up a K12LTSP box for my university. I'd like to | authenticate against the university's LDAP (or AD) server for logins | and Samba. If I add a user, they can authenticate against ldap like I | want (SMB works for Mac clients, but not Windoze clients, go figure). | I don't know who my users will be and don't want to have to add them. | Is there some (easy) way to make it so that if they log in and the | account doesn't already exist it gets set up & stuff copied from | /etc/skel and so on? There are two parts to this: 1) Making the local machine aware of the user (having an "account") 2) Creating a home directory The first is accomplished by adding the requisite "NIS" information to the LDAP (or AD) server and changing /etc/nsswitch.conf to use LDAP for the user, group and shadow databases. The second can be done with pam_mkhomedir which is documented in: /usr/share/doc/pam-0.79/txts/README.pam_mkhomedir (On my machine, it may have a different version number for you). If you are unable or unwilling to add the extra fields to the user accounts, it should also be relatively easy to write a short script that ~ will create accounts in the local /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and /etc/group for every user in the LDAP directory and still use pam_mkhomedir to only create home directories for those that actually login. It's not pretty, but it should work. In fact, I'm pretty sure Eric has some scripts that do exactly that. I *know* they aren't pretty, but do work ;-P - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC56eb/qs2NkWy11sRAvepAKC9yFodvtUMLqEEUoa40rtBMeaHUACgr2A7 5YcFzwxnRgzv/GA3kbucoX4= =K1Gy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dean at mumby.co.za Wed Jul 27 15:34:51 2005 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> Brian Chivers wrote: > Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail server. We >> already >> have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME >> authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user accounts?? >> >> Thanks, >> > You should be able to do this using the pam_ldap & nss_ldap packages. > > On our Suse 9.1 server it's just a config in YASY or Fedora core I > just ran "setup" and then went into the authentication section and set > things up. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > That sounds fine , but I dont believe it will work for sme as how would the user directories be created. All the web mail /imap folders are created by the subroutines when a user is created in the server-manager. Dean -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 2005/07/25 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 27 15:48:39 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:48:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] HP DJ USB printer issue References: Message-ID: <900B63E5-3E7A-4197-8AAB-7BC8D90C1154@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Try changing PRINTER_0_TYPE to P > On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:29 AM, DashKappei wrote: > > >> I set up a linux terminal server (using LTSP-4.1) on a FC3 linux >> box. PXE booting works very well and when system is loaded into >> client memory, users can log into the terminal server. >> I have a lot of problems with an usb printer (hp deskjet 3550) >> attached to a workstation: simply...it doesn't print anything :((( >> I decided to use the kernel 2.4.26-lstp-3 for my purposes. >> >> Here's my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: >> >> [Default] >> SERVER = 192.168.100.201 >> XSERVER = auto >> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" >> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" >> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >> USE_XFS = N >> SCREEN_01 = startx >> SCREEN_02 = shell >> XkbLayout = it >> MODULE_01 = usb-uhci # because I got an error if I use usb-ohci >> MODULE_02 = printer >> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 >> PRINTER_0_TYPE = S >> >> After logging-in the TS machine, I tried (as root - and I'd like >> to know if there's a way to automate printer configuration >> depending on the IP of the client which connects to the TS) to >> configure the printer queue in this way: >> Device-> AppSocket/HP JetDirect >> Device_URI-> socket://IP_OF_THE_CLIENT:9100 >> Model-> Raw Queue >> >> but it doesn't work. >> I also tried to specify, as a driver, the option "HP New DeskJet >> Series CUPS v1.1" but...Nothing...No pages printed. >> >> Can anybody help me? >> You should also consider that the workstations don't have the same >> printer: every client has its own printer model, so I must find a >> way to automate the setting of the printers, depending on the >> address of the client. >> I mean: if an user connects from 192.168.100.10, then the TS >> machine shows him only the usb/lpt printers attached to 100.10, if >> an user connects from 192.168.100.11 then the TS shows him only >> the usb/lpt printers attached to 100.11 and so on. >> >> Thanks in advance for any suggestion. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration >> Strategies >> from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, >> informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to >> speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >> For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkLndzkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRW2wCfWL5gMuN5TTxCjyrcd44JWebr > FS8AoIIt10rAJSrN16gEW+AOTvxLpkbo > =wGgF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLnrNcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT+lACeK40/HcjSidh/0JaDZ/JUc4Qc QxEAnROqEW+kGOdcbEyA11VrrF4Feivh =h9Yo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 27 16:34:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:34:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1122482068.24373.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:34, Dean Mumby wrote: > > >> I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail server. We > >> already > >> have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME > >> authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user accounts?? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > > You should be able to do this using the pam_ldap & nss_ldap packages. > > > > On our Suse 9.1 server it's just a config in YASY or Fedora core I > > just ran "setup" and then went into the authentication section and set > > things up. > > > > > That sounds fine , but I dont believe it will work for sme as how would > the user directories be created. All the web mail /imap folders are > created by the subroutines when a user is created in the server-manager. SME is a highly customized RedHat 7.3. It adds a web-form admin interface which builds a database and uses perl scripts to rebuild program config files as needed with the values from that database. What this means is that you can make it do about anything you could do with RH7.3 but if you need to modify config files that are normally managed by the SME scripts you have to build custom templates to maintain your changes instead of editing the config files directly. However, there are a lot of third-party addons that might do what you need already. You'll almost certainly need to add the users locally, but you should be able to find a script to add them in bulk. Then if you want to check passwords against the ldap server you only need to configure pam_ldap and add it to the services where you want it to apply (I'm looking at an older version where /etc/pam.d/imap doesn't doesn't follow the RH convention of referencing system-auth, but maybe that's changed in the current version that uses dovecot imap). If you find a /etc/e-smith/templates/etc/... template directory matching any file you modify, you must create the corresponding /etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/... files with perl snippets to maintain your changes. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Wed Jul 27 16:21:56 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:21:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reader for K12OSN Message-ID: <200507271721.j6RHLXex026217@mx1.redhat.com> Sorry to ask again, but I really hate using the web interface to read the posts. Is anyone using some sort of reader (newsgroup etc) to view the mailing list? Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jul 27 18:04:25 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:04:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Question Message-ID: <42E7CCA9.8090704@honeygroveisd.net> I'm still figuring my way around my new Samba/LDAP PDC and i have a question that I'm hoping someone here can answer. Can I create a group that contains other groups? I have all of my staff broken down into es_staff, ms_staff and hs_staff. What I'd like to do is set up a group called "staff" that includes these three groups, rather than having to add each user's individual account to a new group. Can I do this, and if so, how? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The maximum weight for a golf ball is 1.62 oz. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Jul 27 18:08:15 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:08:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reader for K12OSN In-Reply-To: <200507271721.j6RHLXex026217@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507271721.j6RHLXex026217@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42E7CD8F.9090701@parkrose.k12.or.us> Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > Sorry to ask again, but I really hate using the web interface to read > the posts. Is anyone using some sort of reader (newsgroup etc) to view > the mailing list? Gmane.org republishes mailing lists as Netnews newsgroups, among other things. The K12OSN list is on there. See the link about using an NNTP newsreader: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.k12osn -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 27 18:09:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:09:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reader for K12OSN In-Reply-To: <200507271721.j6RHLXex026217@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507271721.j6RHLXex026217@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1122487778.24373.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:21, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > Sorry to ask again, but I really hate using the web interface to read > the posts. Is anyone using some sort of reader (newsgroup etc) to > view the mailing list? What web interface? I'd assume that most people would join the list and have a copy sent to a mailbox where you can use your favorite email interface like evolution. If you don't want lists in your normal mailbox, you can get a free gmail.com account and either use their web interface which isn't too bad or pick it up with pop into your choice of mail programs. Since gmail offers a lot of storage you can configure it to keep a copy even after it is picked up with pop. Then you can log in with the web interface and do searches even after you read and deleted your local copy. This list isn't that busy, but I've moved some other subscriptions to gmail and it is working nicely. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 27 18:18:59 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:18:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Question In-Reply-To: <42E7CCA9.8090704@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42E7CCA9.8090704@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050727141859.bizj5tjw5swowcco@webmail> We are set up the exact same way here. We were not able to find a way to add a group to a group, but we were able to script the adding of people to the larger staff group. If Chuck Liebow sees this he can tell you how the script goes. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Mark Cockrell : > I'm still figuring my way around my new Samba/LDAP PDC and i have a > question that I'm hoping someone here can answer. Can I create a > group that contains other groups? I have all of my staff broken down > into es_staff, ms_staff and hs_staff. What I'd like to do is set up > a group called "staff" that includes these three groups, rather than > having to add each user's individual account to a new group. Can I > do this, and if so, how? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > The maximum weight for a golf ball is 1.62 oz. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 27 18:51:14 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:51:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Question In-Reply-To: <20050727141859.bizj5tjw5swowcco@webmail> References: <42E7CCA9.8090704@honeygroveisd.net> <20050727141859.bizj5tjw5swowcco@webmail> Message-ID: <1122490273.24373.100.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 13:18, Jason Ingalls wrote: > We are set up the exact same way here. We were not able to find a way to add a > group to a group, but we were able to script the adding of people to > the larger > staff group. > > If Chuck Liebow sees this he can tell you how the script goes. Sendmail understands groups that include other groups (and will weed out duplicates) but that concept isn't built into much of unix in general. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jul 27 20:49:02 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:49:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <003a01c592be$3d271460$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003a01c592be$3d271460$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E7F33E.1000604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Yes, it does. I just slapped this onto a 4.2.1 box last >>(this?) week and had great success. I can give you remote >>login access to the box if you're interested in test-driving it. >> >>I had to 'yum install rrdtool' and then install the 3 RPMs, >>and everything worked great after I did a quick search 'n >>replace in whatever config file it uses (I forget). >> >>I'll probably be trying this on a 4.4.0-whatever box next >>week, so I can let you know how it goes for me then. > > > I keep thinking I get this running and then BAM! It doesn't work. Now I > get 500 internal server errors, the service starts with some weird "Not > a GLOB reference" error at line 454 or SSL.pm, the login link on the > home page brings up a blank page, just weird stuff. I wonder if this > just isn't compatable with FC4 yet. I try to rpm -e imc-1.2.50 to > reinstall and it says "error reading information on service imc: no such > file or directory" "error: %postun (imc-1.2.50-1.i386) scriptlet failed, > exit status 1" > > But /etc/init.d/imc start starts the service with the above error. > > Has anyone given this a whirl on FC4? > You should check out the idealx mailing list for IMC there is some talk on there about FC4 Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jul 27 20:55:24 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:55:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <42E7F4BC.9000803@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dean Mumby wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Jason Ingalls wrote: >> >>> I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail server. We >>> already >>> have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME >>> authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user accounts?? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> You should be able to do this using the pam_ldap & nss_ldap packages. >> >> On our Suse 9.1 server it's just a config in YASY or Fedora core I >> just ran "setup" and then went into the authentication section and set >> things up. >> >> Brian >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > That sounds fine , but I dont believe it will work for sme as how would > the user directories be created. All the web mail /imap folders are > created by the subroutines when a user is created in the server-manager. > Dean > > > Have a look at the other post on the list about none existing users, it listed a pam_mkhomedir (might be wrong) this might help. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 27 21:23:12 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:23:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: <1122482068.24373.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> <1122482068.24373.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isn't a new version of SME (from the contribs.org people) almost ready? I thought I read something along those lines. On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:34, Dean Mumby wrote: > >> >> >>>> I'm setting up an SME server for use as a student webmail >>>> server. We >>>> already >>>> have an existing LDAP server (RHEL 4), is there any way to make SME >>>> authenticate against our already existing LDAP for email user >>>> accounts?? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>> You should be able to do this using the pam_ldap & nss_ldap >>> packages. >>> >>> On our Suse 9.1 server it's just a config in YASY or Fedora core I >>> just ran "setup" and then went into the authentication section >>> and set >>> things up. >>> >>> >>> >> That sounds fine , but I dont believe it will work for sme as how >> would >> the user directories be created. All the web mail /imap folders are >> created by the subroutines when a user is created in the server- >> manager. >> > > SME is a highly customized RedHat 7.3. It adds a web-form admin > interface which builds a database and uses perl scripts to rebuild > program config files as needed with the values from that database. > What this means is that you can make it do about anything you > could do with RH7.3 but if you need to modify config files that > are normally managed by the SME scripts you have to build custom > templates to maintain your changes instead of editing the config > files directly. However, there are a lot of third-party addons > that might do what you need already. You'll almost certainly > need to add the users locally, but you should be able to find > a script to add them in bulk. Then if you want to check passwords > against the ldap server you only need to configure pam_ldap and > add it to the services where you want it to apply (I'm looking > at an older version where /etc/pam.d/imap doesn't doesn't follow > the RH convention of referencing system-auth, but maybe that's > changed in the current version that uses dovecot imap). If you > find a /etc/e-smith/templates/etc/... template directory matching any > file you modify, you must create the corresponding > /etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/... files with perl snippets to > maintain your changes. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLn+0AACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRA4gCdEa1Ejsq2/CT1k1XjwaTaw21I ++oAnRlbTBN+NPk7cuJD+MeJVum2j4QV =70jY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Wed Jul 27 21:23:37 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:23:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode Message-ID: The clients in my Dell Precision 370 lab still aren't booting properly. They are booting in PXE mode. They pull an address and begin to load the client kernel, however the th3 module isn't inserting properly and the result is a kernel panic. I have found nothing helpful on the web so far in resolving this further. I am using PXE because the client machines have no floppy drives. I really need to get this working in the next two weeks before classes start. Any help on getting the Dell clients working would be appreciated. Otherwise I may be forced to spend the money on a Windows Terminal Server setup, which is what the local Microwhore has been preaching for a month. Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (903) 923-3361 From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 27 22:25:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:25:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <20050727094137.rhp4r0j9tk2tcwkc@webmail> <42E7922D.8070805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42E7A99B.1090909@mumby.co.za> <1122482068.24373.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1122503127.24373.188.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 16:23, Burke Almquist wrote: > Isn't a new version of SME (from the contribs.org people) almost ready? > I thought I read something along those lines. > Well, yeah - but it's been almost ready for a year or more so it might be a bad idea to hold your breath until it's done. The problem with SME is that it's Linux for people who don't like Linux. That is, all of the normal admin operations are done by scripts and templates. This is great as long as long as it does exactly what you want and is kept up to date. However, as soon as you want to change something that isn't already set up, you not only need to know how to edit that config file you wanted to avoid, you also have to understand perl and how the template system works. This works out reasonably well in the world of paid services and contractors where the idea is to shield the customer and simultaneously lock him into your services, but it makes it more difficult for someone to improve things himself and I don't think it attracts many developers. The other problem is that so many stock rpms are modified instead of adding a separate config rpm to tweak them so there is a lot of unnecessary work preparing updates as upstream packages are fixed. Again, that made sense in the context of paid service contracts but makes contributed support difficult. Regardless, I do like the distribution for certain purposes, the main one being for remote locations where someone who doesn't know a lot about system administration needs to take care of it and manage users. With a few tweaks to make it understand that it's not the only server in the world (i.e. fix DNS and use LDAP/NIS, etc. for authentication) it could be good for a lot more. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 27 23:32:32 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:32:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E81990.6040303@cmosnetworks.com> Trae Elmore wrote: >The clients in my Dell Precision 370 lab still aren't booting properly. They are booting in PXE mode. They pull an address and begin to load the client kernel, however the th3 module isn't inserting properly and the result is a kernel panic. > >I have found nothing helpful on the web so far in resolving this further. > >I am using PXE because the client machines have no floppy drives. > >I really need to get this working in the next two weeks before classes start. > >Any help on getting the Dell clients working would be appreciated. Otherwise I may be forced to spend the money on a Windows Terminal Server setup, which is what the local Microwhore has been preaching for a month. > >Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP >Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking >trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu >(903) 923-3361 > I don't know about specifically Dell Precision 370's, but I have had a similar experience with Dell Optiplex GX1's that use built-in 3Com 3C905s. The problem was faulty PXE booting code; Dell is infamous for having networking problems of various types with their buggy BIOS, including PXE booting. Flashing the BIOS to a newer firmware version fixed the problem for me. Don't know if this will help you or not. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 27 23:38:19 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:38:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E81AEB.4070500@cmosnetworks.com> Trae Elmore wrote: >The clients in my Dell Precision 370 lab still aren't booting properly. They are booting in PXE mode. They pull an address and begin to load the client kernel, however the th3 module isn't inserting properly and the result is a kernel panic. > >I have found nothing helpful on the web so far in resolving this further. > >I am using PXE because the client machines have no floppy drives. > >I really need to get this working in the next two weeks before classes start. > >Any help on getting the Dell clients working would be appreciated. Otherwise I may be forced to spend the money on a Windows Terminal Server setup, which is what the local Microwhore has been preaching for a month. > >Trae Elmore CCNA, CNE, MCP >Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking >trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu >(903) 923-3361 > > Another option, until you can these Dell Precision 370's working, is to use "old" x86 PC's (or Sun boxes, if you've got 'em). I have had great experience netbooting Pentium-133's (Etherboot), Dell Optiplexes (after flashing the BIOS), HP Vectras, Sun Ultra 5's, etc. I am currently typing this on a vintage 1997 Pentium II-233 with a 3Com 3C905b NIC and 64 MB DRAM in it. Old PCs like I'm describing can be had for a dime a dozen, or some local company who wants to dump 'em would probably be glad to just give them to you instead of having to pay that disposal fee that's staring them in the face. This would solve your immediate "get the system up" need. --TP From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 00:39:42 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:39:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode In-Reply-To: <42E81AEB.4070500@cmosnetworks.com> References: <42E81AEB.4070500@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > Trae Elmore wrote: > > >The clients in my Dell Precision 370 lab still aren't booting properly. They are booting in PXE mode. They pull an address and begin to load the client kernel, however the th3 module isn't inserting properly and the result is a kernel panic. What about ordering some etherboot nics? Disklessworkstations.com has them, and they have always worked for me. You can also do etherboot from the CD if you don't have a floppy. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jul 28 00:55:57 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:55:57 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse frozen all else okay In-Reply-To: <1122464419.13946.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050726161216.82583.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1122394836.9949.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E6635E.7060707@misato.us> <1122464419.13946.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1122512157.4299.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 19:40 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:22 -0400, Jason Straw wrote: > > It actually seems to be a bug in fedora core 3/4. They moved to 4K > > kernel stacks (which I think is the cause of most of these problems). > > > > Jason > > That's depressing :-( > > I repeated the conditions today and sure enough me playing frozen-bubble > while the kids played supertux brought this old 450MHz PII to its knees > and I had a frozen mouse and "veryniced" frozen-bubble unresponsive on > my screen. Had to kill X to get the mouse back because sadly your > suggestion was not effective, Tim (see below). However, while > researching the matter I came across this line: > > gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2 (running as root) > > If I gave that a shot at a terminal I wonder if I'd get my mouse back? > I'll let you know, next time I "reproduce" the bug :-) Nah, didn't work :-( :-(. Sure like to find a way to restore the mouse without killing X and having to restart my session all over. Gavin > > > > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > >On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:12 -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > >>With my KVM I can some times regain control of the > > >>mouse by ++ to get to the console and > > >>+ to return to X. > > >> > > >>Not ideal and it doesn't always work for me... > > >> > > >>Tim > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Okay - the ol' YMMV :-) Thanks for the quick response, and interesting > > >to see it happens to others. I hadn't thought of trying that. Next > > >time it happens I give that a try. In the meantime if anyone has _the_ > > >definitive mouse-restart command I'll add that to my stable of tricks, > > >too ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>--- Gavin Chester wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Question: > > >>>Is there a simple command to restart a mouse - as in > > >>>doing a > > >>>"/dev/mouse/service restart" type of thing, or > > >>>whatever? > > >>> > > >>>Background detail: > > >>>It's a PS/2 mouse, on k12ltsp 4.2.0 using Xfce4 > > >>>desktop. Story is, I > > >>>run a small setup with just a couple of clients at > > >>>the moment with my > > >>>server doubling duty as a workstation. Sometimes, I > > >>>might be playing a > > >>>game and it gets "veryniced" because combined weight > > >>>of all apps bring > > >>>the CPU to its knees. At this point I not only > > >>>have to go to a > > >>>terminal to kill the game because I've lost control > > >>>of it, but I lose > > >>>control of my mouse in the process. When I have a > > >>>frozen mouse the > > >>>keyboard and system is okay. Killing and restarting > > >>>X does it, but I > > >>>don't always enjoy doing that while I have lots of > > >>>things happening. > > >>>Google was not my friend in looking for answers to > > >>>this problem :-( > > >>>-- > > >>>Regards, > > >>> Gavin Chester > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 01:15:12 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM and Fedora Mouse Issue Message-ID: As a related mouse issue came up, I googled a bit to figure out how to solve my wacko mouse issue after switching back to my K12LTSP server that uses Fedora. Here is a good solution that worked for me: http://www.bernzilla.com/item.php?id=405 ================================ First, open a command prompt and make sure you have root privileges (e.g. use the command su -). Type vi /boot/grub/grub.conf and edit the line in the file that starts with kernel so that it contains the argument psmouse.proto=bare. For example, mine now reads (on a single line): kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 psmouse.proto=bare rhgb quiet ================================ Hope this helps someone else! -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jul 28 01:35:05 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:35:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM and Fedora Mouse Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122514505.4299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: > As a related mouse issue came up, I googled a bit to figure out how to > solve my wacko mouse issue after switching back to my K12LTSP server > that uses Fedora. > > Here is a good solution that worked for me: > > http://www.bernzilla.com/item.php?id=405 > > ================================ > > First, open a command prompt and make sure you have root privileges > (e.g. use the command su -). Type vi /boot/grub/grub.conf and edit the > line in the file that starts with kernel so that it contains the > argument psmouse.proto=bare. For example, mine now reads (on a single > line): > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > psmouse.proto=bare rhgb quiet > > ================================ > > Hope this helps someone else! You could have knocked me over with a feather after I looked into the background to your post!! That is, as in that link you gave and the bugzilla entry it leads to, _I_ use a Belkin KVM - a 2-port one. However, I've never seen the erratic behaviour after switching between machines - like the bug cited - just the frozen mouse after my PC "verynices" an app. Tim didn't mention using the KVM in my related thread, so it may not be the cause of mouse trouble in our case. I'll try the grub config you pointed to, but in the meantime I'll have to give up playing games 'cause that's where all the trouble starts for my mouse :-( Thanks for your post. Gavin. From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jul 28 02:00:50 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:00:50 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM and Fedora Mouse Issue In-Reply-To: <1122514505.4299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1122514505.4299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42E83C52.8030601@rogers.com> Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: > >>As a related mouse issue came up, I googled a bit to figure out how to >>solve my wacko mouse issue after switching back to my K12LTSP server >>that uses Fedora. >> >>Here is a good solution that worked for me: >> >>http://www.bernzilla.com/item.php?id=405 >> Many thatnks, I may have to give up my recent fixation on using the middle button to paste... > "verynices" an app. Tim didn't mention using the KVM in my related > thread, so it may not be the cause of mouse trouble in our case. I believe I did actually. I at least thought it...but I do have a 4 port KVM and my issue generally occurs on the switch between PCs... Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jul 28 02:16:17 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:16:17 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E83FF1.4090301@rogers.com> Trae Elmore wrote: > The clients in my Dell Precision 370 lab still aren't booting properly. They are booting in PXE mode. They pull an address and begin to load the client kernel, however the th3 module isn't inserting properly and the result is a kernel panic. The tg3 based NICs are crap. I may be a little unkind but I have been to the source more times than I would like and and it really looks like a chip that was rushed to market and each new revision is desparately trying to correct past mistakes. If the Dell's are relatively new then you will probably need to actually use the broadcom driver direct from broadcom.com. Ordinarily that would be a simple kernel recompile but recent versions of LTSP require the build environment. Your best bet is to try to identify which linux kernel version (if any) support your tg3. Then determine whether that kernel version can be used with LTSP (talk to Jim M of the ltsp.org project). If the card is only supported by the Broadcom driver you need someone willing to go into the source and create a patch against the current ltsp driver. Your best bet might be www.vfxweb.com where a 3c905C (PXE on the card) is $8.82 USD. Tim From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 28 04:17:14 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:17:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM and Fedora Mouse Issue In-Reply-To: <42E83C52.8030601@rogers.com> References: <1122514505.4299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E83C52.8030601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1122524234.6646.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 21:00, Timothy Legge wrote: > Many thatnks, I may have to give up my recent fixation on using the > middle button to paste... > > > > "verynices" an app. Tim didn't mention using the KVM in my related > > thread, so it may not be the cause of mouse trouble in our case. > > I believe I did actually. I at least thought it...but I do have a 4 > port KVM and my issue generally occurs on the switch between PCs... If you can dig up another monitor, a neat alternative to a KVM is to use 'synergy' to pass keyboard and mouse control among multiple machines, making them act like a single multi-headed box even though they might be running different OS's - and you get cut/paste across them too. http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ I use it at home with a single monitor with a built in 2 way switch and at work spanning across 2 desktop machines and a laptop that is usually there. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 28 05:18:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I still have problems using the attached file (as well as modifying the stock file). Just for kicks, I did a fresh K12LTSP 4.2.1EL install, which does not have the "No Volume Control" error. I took the 4.2.1EL /etc/gconf directory and used it to replace the /etc/gconf directory on a fresh K12LTSP 4.4.0 install. I created a new user, logged in, and got the "No Volume Control" error. I've also tried Gideon's other suggestion of using gstreamer-properties to set the input to OSS and the output to ESD. Not much success there either (which is to be expected, as Gideon noted this does the same thing as replacing the %gconf.xml) The only way I can consistently eliminate this problem is by removing the mixer from the panel by default: rm -rf /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer Does anyone see removing the sound mixer from the panel by default to be a show-stopper? The mixer doesn't work when you log in from a terminal, only the server is affected. In previous versions, when you log in from a terminal the mixer would silently error out and not load. Any other ideas? -Eric On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Gideon Romm wrote: > Ah, attached is Ubuntu's file that goes here: > > /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/% > gconf.xml > > Replacing the default with the one attached, should change the default > system settings. > > -Gadi > > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:25 -0400, Gideon Romm wrote: >> OK, so I just had a chance to test on an FC4 box, and indeed, just >> changing the gstreamer-properties (or under Preferences -> More >> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector) so that the Audio output was >> ESD and the Audio input was OSS did the trick! (I'm using esd on the >> thin clients). Sound came out as expected when I test the Audio Output >> ESD test button. >> >> (BTW: For video to work properly on most thin clients, change the Video >> Output under the Video tab to "Xwindows (No xv)") >> >> Now, this wrote a configuration file in my user account, so this doesn't >> seem to be system-wide. The conf file is >> ~/.gconf/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/%gconf.xml >> >> There is a corresponding file in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults , but I'm >> not sure exactly how to edit it. I'll let you know once I google around >> a bit. >> >> Anyhow, since gstreamer is used for gnome and kde these days, this >> should fix sound for most applications. >> >> Now, if you use nasd.... I would try setting the Audio output to OSS, >> but I'm an ESD kind of guy, so I'll leave that to the nasd fans... >> >> Hope that helped, >> >> -Gadi >> >> On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:16 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: >>>> Check and see if the sound server is enabled in Gnome....if it >>>> is...disable it. All it really does is produce the bings and bongs for >>>> system alerts, but in my experience it will prevent many sound apps from >>>> working at all. Disable the sound server and then try...things may work >>>> now (you may need to reboot). >>>> >>>> I use nasd and IceWM and have had sound in Flash, all apps, all players, >>>> and Firefox for quite some time now. I have yet to try sound in K12LTSP >>>> 4.4, but I will the first week in August. If you guys get something else >>>> working...document it to save me the headache *please?* >>>> >>>> David N. Trask >>>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>> Vassalboro Community School >>>> dtrask vcsvikings org >>>> (207)923-3100 >>>> >>> >>> Nope. The Gnome sound server is not turned on. Just for grins I turned >>> in on. Still nothing. Anyone else have any ideas? I had sound working >>> on 4.2 using NASD with Gnome, IceWM, and KDE. Same server, same >>> terminal, no sound. >>> From ssanders at coin.org Thu Jul 28 06:01:39 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:01:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it In-Reply-To: <8736CE30-E20E-450A-8A2B-350373F0CF40@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <8736CE30-E20E-450A-8A2B-350373F0CF40@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <1122530499.6543.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> > hi all, i have been doing nothing but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade for > the > last three versions on my home/test server. i decided to try a fresh > install on a new drive, then move the users' /home directory over. update: what i wound up doing, was since this was a home/test server, with only half a dozen accounts, i did fresh install. on another machine with the old /home HD booted to knoppix, i ftped in as each user, and sent their /home dir. this keeps all the permissions, etc. i know this is a kludge, and certainly not viable for a large number of users. what i am now doing, is keeping spare drive in the server for backup that is formatted with EXT3. there is a filesystem backup utility in Webmin (it's just a frontend for dump), and it works well. since the LTSP box is running and drives are mounted normally, i don't care about the LVM/knoppix issues, it's all accessable as just plain /home. backing it up on a plain EXT3 drive means that i can potentially manually mount it with knoppix and look through it later, if need be. the Webmin backup has choices to do full backup or just diffs. i am having a problem, however, getting it to run on a schedule. no errors in the logs, it just doesn't happen. starting manually it runs fine. i have tested several restores, and they seem good. these are sloppy hacks for several reasons. i know that LVM is a better way to deal with disks/partitions. i just need to learn more about it, instead of working around it. especially since this is all local, i think rsync would be a better way to go. it's been a couple of years since i used rsync, i'm RTFM on it now a bit, trying to re-learn it. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 28 06:16:33 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <003a01c592be$3d271460$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003a01c592be$3d271460$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I keep thinking I get this running and then BAM! It doesn't work. Now I > get 500 internal server errors, the service starts with some weird "Not > a GLOB reference" error at line 454 or SSL.pm, the login link on the > home page brings up a blank page, just weird stuff. I wonder if this > just isn't compatable with FC4 yet. I try to rpm -e imc-1.2.50 to > reinstall and it says "error reading information on service imc: no such > file or directory" "error: %postun (imc-1.2.50-1.i386) scriptlet failed, > exit status 1" > > But /etc/init.d/imc start starts the service with the above error. > > Has anyone given this a whirl on FC4? Just out of curiousity, did you update around the time you started having problems? There is a new version of perl-IO-Socket-SSL in Fedora Extras. If you upgraded just before you had problems, let me know and I'll help you "downgrade" that package to see if the new one is broken. If you have not updated recently, do so and see if it now works... yum install perl-IO-Socket-SSL "rpm -q perl-IO-Socket-SSL" will tell you what version you have. The old package is perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.96-4 The new package is perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.97-1.fc4 -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 28 12:50:03 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:50:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] no mp3 burning on 4.2 EL Message-ID: <1122555003.3965.24.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Hello, I have 4.2 EL (CentOS) installed here at home as well as on our k12servers at school. Everything was looking pretty good until my daughter came home for a visit and wanted to burn some mp3s to cd. Has anyone got this to work? If so how? I found many k3b-mp3 rpms but could find none that would work. I un-installed k3b and tried different versions of k3b and k3b-mp3 built for RH EL. I tried building from SRPMS also no luck there either. John From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 28 12:52:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:52:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004d01c59373$3ed18dd0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Just out of curiousity, did you update around the time you started > having problems? This is a fresh install of 4.4.0 pre2 just for the purpose of getting the samba/ldap stuff figured out. I never had this "working" before in a prior version. But I can give the perl-IO-Socket downgrade a try to see if that helps. You may be on to something there because I had to make links from libssl.so.5 called libssl.so.4 and libcrypto.so.5 to libcrypto.so.4 in order to get IMC to start. That was a fairly obvious sign that I had to new of a version. Well here is the output of "rpm -q perl-IO-Socket-SSL" perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.96-4 I guess that blows that theory out of the water. But still, there must be a reason that my libssl and libcrypto are named so.5 and not so.4. Any ideas? I will also check out the IMC mailing list as Brian suggested and see what I can find there. Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 28 12:56:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:56:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <42E7F33E.1000604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c59373$ba73a3b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > You should check out the idealx mailing list for IMC there is > some talk > on there about FC4 Now I feel stupid. Where do I find the mailing list? I don't see a link anywhere from imc.sourceforge.net. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jul 28 12:55:20 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM and Fedora Mouse Issue In-Reply-To: <42E83C52.8030601@rogers.com> References: <1122514505.4299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E83C52.8030601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <42E8D5B8.5070002@maltzen.net> Not sure if this is relevant or not, but a colleague of mine has a four-port Belkin KVM, with a Windows box and a Linux box plugged into it. Whenever he switches to the Linux box, he has to physically unplug the mouse from the KVM and plug it back in or the mouse doesn't work. Petre Timothy Legge wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > >> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: >> >>> As a related mouse issue came up, I googled a bit to figure out how to >>> solve my wacko mouse issue after switching back to my K12LTSP server >>> that uses Fedora. >>> >>> Here is a good solution that worked for me: >>> >>> http://www.bernzilla.com/item.php?id=405 >>> > > Many thatnks, I may have to give up my recent fixation on using the > middle button to paste... > > >> "verynices" an app. Tim didn't mention using the KVM in my related >> thread, so it may not be the cause of mouse trouble in our case. > > > I believe I did actually. I at least thought it...but I do have a 4 > port KVM and my issue generally occurs on the switch between PCs... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 13:47:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Still foiled by Broadcom 5751s in PXE mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050728134751.94123.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > What about ordering some etherboot nics? > Disklessworkstations.com has > them, and they have always worked for me. I second that. I recently ordered a couple etherboot nics from disklessworkstations.com for $20 each. They work great. Besides booting from a cd, as Steve suggested, you can also boot from an old hard drive using lilo. -Rob ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 28 13:48:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <004d01c59373$3ed18dd0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004d01c59373$3ed18dd0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I guess that blows that theory out of the water. But still, there must > be a reason that my libssl and libcrypto are named so.5 and not so.4. > Any ideas? There is indeed a reason why you have libssl.so.5 rather than libssl.so.4, they are included in different packages and you only have one of the two installed. This should fix you up: yum install openssl openssl097a -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 28 14:40:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:40:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c59382$48b5c230$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > There is indeed a reason why you have libssl.so.5 rather than > libssl.so.4, they are included in different packages and you > only have one of the two installed. > > This should fix you up: > > yum install openssl openssl097a Well, thanks for the tip. I installed the correct packages and re-installed imc, imc-common, and samba-console. I did not have to make the crazy links this time but I am still having problems with IMC. The service doesn't seem to install correctly and I get 500 Internal Server Error when entering any of the admin pages. Oh well. Hopefully I will find some info on making this work with FC4. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Jul 28 14:40:19 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:40:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it Message-ID: <20050728.szj.58638200@mail.computergeex.com> ssanders at coin.org wrote: > > > hi all, i have been doing nothing but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade for > > the > > last three versions on my home/test server. i decided to try a fresh > > install on a new drive, then move the users' /home directory over. > > update: what i wound up doing, was since this was a home/test server, > with only half a dozen accounts, i did fresh install. on another machine > with the old /home HD booted to knoppix, i ftped in as each user, and > sent their /home dir. this keeps all the permissions, etc. i know this > is a kludge, and certainly not viable for a large number of users. I have moved /home, /var/spool/mail, etc on quite a few servers in the past using tar, pass the p flag to it and permissions/ownership are preserved. -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 28 15:10:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:10:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it In-Reply-To: <1122530499.6543.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <8736CE30-E20E-450A-8A2B-350373F0CF40@chatham.k12.nc.us> <1122530499.6543.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1122563444.9044.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 01:01, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > the Webmin backup has choices to do full backup or just diffs. i am > having a problem, however, getting it to run on a schedule. no errors in > the logs, it just doesn't happen. starting manually it runs fine. i have > tested several restores, and they seem good. > > these are sloppy hacks for several reasons. i know that LVM is a better > way to deal with disks/partitions. i just need to learn more about it, > instead of working around it. especially since this is all local, i > think rsync would be a better way to go. it's been a couple of years > since i used rsync, i'm RTFM on it now a bit, trying to re-learn > it. There are any number of ways to copy stuff keeping owners and permissions, especially if you can keep the login names and uid numbers consistent. The handiest for a system move is, on the source system: cd /path_to_copy rsync -essh -av . target_host:/target_path Using . as the source eliminates the question of whether it will add an extra directory on the target or not. It will create the last directory in the target path you specify if it doesn't exist and use it if it does. The nice thing is that you can do this ahead of a system switch to get the bulk of the data over and perhaps do some testing, then repeat it, adding the --delete option at the last minute before you cut over and it will run very quickly, just taking the changes. Then change the names and IP addresses on the boxes and reboot and you are all set. If you are doing this a lot, you might want to set up backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) to keep copies on a different box and restore those to the new machine. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jul 28 15:18:43 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:18:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] re: IDEALX [samba] Management Console (Jim Kronebusch) In-Reply-To: <004e01c59373$ba73a3b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004e01c59373$ba73a3b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42E8F753.7060709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>You should check out the idealx mailing list for IMC there is >>some talk >>on there about FC4 > > > Now I feel stupid. Where do I find the mailing list? I don't see a > link anywhere from imc.sourceforge.net. > Try this link http://lists.idealx.org/info/lst-imc Have a look through the archive for the last month and it might give you a start. David Barth who is one of the owners of the list is a nice guy to talk too. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Thu Jul 28 16:36:28 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:36:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Reader for K12OSN Message-ID: <200507281636.j6SGaLqP020698@mx1.redhat.com> I was using the web interface at https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ if I was interested in looking at a full thread. I just find reading thread based discussions using a newsreader (like the one in outlook express) is just easier on my eyes then trying to read down through the emails. Robert "Les Mikesell" wrote in message news:<1122487778.24373.93.camel at moola.futuresource.com>... > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:21, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > Sorry to ask again, but I really hate using the web interface to read > > the posts. Is anyone using some sort of reader (newsgroup etc) to > > view the mailing list? > > What web interface? I'd assume that most people would join the list > and have a copy sent to a mailbox where you can use your favorite > email interface like evolution. If you don't want lists in your > normal mailbox, you can get a free gmail.com account and either use > their web interface which isn't too bad or pick it up with pop > into your choice of mail programs. Since gmail offers a lot of > storage you can configure it to keep a copy even after it is picked > up with pop. Then you can log in with the web interface and do > searches even after you read and deleted your local copy. This > list isn't that busy, but I've moved some other subscriptions to > gmail and it is working nicely. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 28 17:18:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:18:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Reader for K12OSN In-Reply-To: <200507281636.j6SGaLqP020698@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200507281636.j6SGaLqP020698@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1122571121.9044.152.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 11:36, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > I was using the web interface at https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ if > I was interested in looking at a full thread. > > I just find reading thread based discussions using a newsreader (like the > one in outlook express) is just easier on my eyes then trying to read down > through the emails. If you send to a gmail.com account and pick them up via pop, your mailer can display a threaded view. In Evolution, hit ctl-T for this. The gmail web interface also threads by default so if you search for something you'll get the entire related conversation. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 28 19:23:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:23:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42E930B4.7030702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > > The only way I can consistently eliminate this problem is by removing > the mixer from the panel by default: > > rm -rf /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer > After sleeping on it... "rm -rf" is a bit harsh, removing the read/write/execute permissions is much less destructive: chmod a-wrx /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Thu Jul 28 19:33:57 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:33:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] weirdness with sound In-Reply-To: <42E6C280.5040501@shaw.ca> References: <42E6C280.5040501@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <42E93325.1080204@shaw.ca> Liam Marshall wrote: > ok, I installed 4.4.x pre2, went through the "install additional > software" icons, including Flash. Modified lts.conf to esd and the s > module for my soundcards on thin clients > went to tuxpaint and had sound > went to firefox > www.starfall.com (a teacher favourite) and had sound in there. Happy > Happy days. > > then I did yum updates, installed other software, and added 600+ users > via webmin batch files, but somehow screwed up and deleted/overwrote > nfsnobody user > > then nothing worked well > > gave up trying to figure it out and wiped harddrive and reloaded went > through mostly the same procedure (minus adding users) only difference > was I did the yum update before running the "install additional > software" stuff > > went to firefox and www.starfall.com and have NO Sound? What gives? > > Please someone explain how I can get it back without wiping, > reloading, and trying again > > frustrated and not understanding how I screwed up > > HELP PLEASE > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > sorry for stating the obvious, but no one has replied to this. Does that mean no one knows the answer? I have sound on simple stuff, like tuxpaint/tuxtype/ etc adn had sound earlier yesterday, before the updates From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Thu Jul 28 19:42:15 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:42:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found Message-ID: <3c4bca53c4c538.3c4c5383c4bca5@shaw.ca> so, having taken your first thought, and using the rm -rf, how could I undo that and try your second thought? Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB765213A0A273D0EA998FEB3" --------------enigB765213A0A273D0EA998FEB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Harrison wrote: > > The only way I can consistently eliminate this problem is by removing > the mixer from the panel by default: > > rm -rf /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer > After sleeping on it... "rm -rf" is a bit harsh, removing the read/write/execute permissions is much less destructive: chmod a-wrx /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer -Eric --------------enigB765213A0A273D0EA998FEB3-- -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jul 28 20:17:09 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:17:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <20050727091845.30atgcjn4xc8sswg@webmail> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <20050727091845.30atgcjn4xc8sswg@webmail> Message-ID: <42E93D45.6090800@msln.net> I created the mydoc.reg and it runs on the machine, but when I check the registry the keys are not changed. I browsed to the netlogon directory from the client and double clicked on the mydoc.reg and it asks if I want to install the keys, says it was sucessful in doing so, but it wasn't. Any ideas? I checked the logs and didn't find any errors. Mark Jason Ingalls wrote: > Here is how I do it (files are in netlogon share on PDC) > > startup.bat: > > REM Change directory to P:\ > cd p: > > > REM If the folders My Documents and Desktop > REM don't exist in P:\ create them. > > IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" > > IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" > > REM Now that we are certain that both directories exist, > REM run regedit silently using the file on osprey. > > > regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg > > > REM This didn't work... > REM regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\logoff.reg > > :END > > =================== > > mydoc.reg > > REGEDIT4 > > > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] > > "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet > Files;History;Temp;My > Documents;Desktop" > > > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > > Folders] > > "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" > > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > > > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User > Shell > Folders] > > "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" > > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > > ============== > > You can see here the first thing I do with the reg file is define which > directories I exlude from roaming. > > Then I modifiy the entries that tell where to point My Documents > (personal) and > desktop. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 28 20:20:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:20:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <42E930B4.7030702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E930B4.7030702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1122582025.9044.171.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > > The only way I can consistently eliminate this problem is by removing > > the mixer from the panel by default: > > > > rm -rf /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer > > > > > After sleeping on it... "rm -rf" is a bit harsh, removing the > read/write/execute permissions is much less destructive: > > chmod a-wrx /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer Is there any way to turn it into what you really want instead: either a window belonging to a local app running on the terminal or better yet a proxy that hooks to one when needed? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 28 21:50:00 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:50:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No Volume Control Elements and/or devices found In-Reply-To: <1122582025.9044.171.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <42DE94F0.5060609@honeygroveisd.net> <1121887529.12880.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121888140.12880.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E930B4.7030702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1122582025.9044.171.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42E95308.6070108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > >>>The only way I can consistently eliminate this problem is by removing >>>the mixer from the panel by default: >>> >>> rm -rf /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer >>> >> >> >>After sleeping on it... "rm -rf" is a bit harsh, removing the >>read/write/execute permissions is much less destructive: >> >> chmod a-wrx /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer > > > Is there any way to turn it into what you really want instead: either > a window belonging to a local app running on the terminal or better > yet a proxy that hooks to one when needed? > Possibly, but it would require significant amount of work. As such, it is not 4.4.0-release material. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You don't really need to do this, but it is pretty straight-forward so here is how you do it ;-) * Run this command: mkdir -p /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer * Saved the attached file (%gconf.xml) into that directory * Then run the chmod command: chmod a-wrx /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: %gconf.xml Type: text/xml Size: 1906 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 22:03:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP auth for non-existent accounts & best way to add a K12LTSP server to university network In-Reply-To: <9326098005072619142f0cf5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050728220357.55419.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jay Pfaffman wrote: > Is there a > better solution than VNC? What about that NX thing? > -- I think the main advantage of NX over VNC is the compression. This makes it good for graphical access over the internet, but I'm not sure there's any advantage on a LAN. I'm not an expert, though. -Rob ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Jul 28 23:18:25 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:18:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware Message-ID: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> I have the opportunity to salvage some old hardware. I would appreciate advice on whether any of this is worthwhile for use in thin clients. I'm only interested in it if it is easy or will work out of the box or could replace a less capable part in another system (network or video card). Here are the specs. AT power supply P1 200 MMX processors 96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS 3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot (Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to PXE boot?) ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. Does anyone have experience with this hardware? To netboot those network cards, is the easiest way to purchase bootroms? Thanks in advance, Ben Nickell From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 23:23:57 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:23:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: On 7/28/05, Ben Nickell wrote: > Here are the specs. > > AT power supply > P1 200 MMX processors > 96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS > 3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot > (Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to > PXE boot?) > ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > > Does anyone have experience with this hardware? It should be PERFECT for thin clients. > > To netboot those network cards, is the easiest way to purchase bootroms? Probably or just use boot floppy or an old tiny HD. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From scott at hosef.org Thu Jul 28 23:25:15 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:25:15 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] eSIS on Linux Message-ID: <42E9695B.9060206@hosef.org> We took some screenshots of the K12LTSP, 4.2, running eSIS http://www.hosef.org/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=eSIS-on-Linux Like it or not, this is rolling out to all the public schools in our state. Seeing that it can run on a teacher workstation while simultaneously powering a classroom pod of thin clients creates a lot of opportunity. --scott From scott at hosef.org Thu Jul 28 23:33:25 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:33:25 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <42E96B45.5080209@hosef.org> Ben Nickell wrote: > Here are the specs. > > AT power supply > P1 200 MMX processors > 96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS > 3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot > (Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to > PXE boot?) > ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > > Does anyone have experience with this hardware? Yes, and it sound good. > > To netboot those network cards, is the easiest way to purchase bootroms? You can DIY or make it a project http://www.hosef.org/wiki/EpromBurning or, companies like this sell them http://www.argontechnology.com/products.aspx?id=39 or, you can use a floppy. The Universal Boot Floppy should work. > > Thanks in advance, > Ben Nickell --scott From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jul 29 00:16:38 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:16:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] weirdness with sound In-Reply-To: <42E93325.1080204@shaw.ca> References: <42E6C280.5040501@shaw.ca> <42E93325.1080204@shaw.ca> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think this is addressed in the wikki. Look for sound issues involving flash. I think the Symbiont (sp) people had something about this on their site as well. I think you needed to manually add a temp file or something. On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > > >> ok, I installed 4.4.x pre2, went through the "install additional >> software" icons, including Flash. Modified lts.conf to esd and >> the s module for my soundcards on thin clients >> went to tuxpaint and had sound >> went to firefox >> www.starfall.com (a teacher favourite) and had sound in there. >> Happy Happy days. >> >> then I did yum updates, installed other software, and added 600+ >> users via webmin batch files, but somehow screwed up and deleted/ >> overwrote nfsnobody user >> >> then nothing worked well >> >> gave up trying to figure it out and wiped harddrive and reloaded >> went through mostly the same procedure (minus adding users) only >> difference was I did the yum update before running the "install >> additional software" stuff >> >> went to firefox and www.starfall.com and have NO Sound? What >> gives? >> >> Please someone explain how I can get it back without wiping, >> reloading, and trying again >> >> frustrated and not understanding how I screwed up >> >> HELP PLEASE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > sorry for stating the obvious, but no one has replied to this. > Does that mean no one knows the answer? > > I have sound on simple stuff, like tuxpaint/tuxtype/ etc adn had > sound earlier yesterday, before the updates > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLpdWcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRiAwCeNwx7t26y+FWFrUiqMglmay+5 R8EAn13mjLZfYm2EAGd7MgGWRna8OOJ6 =XXF5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Fri Jul 29 01:18:43 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:18:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory - SMB/LDAP Switch In-Reply-To: <42E93D45.6090800@msln.net> References: <20050712214528.p8faflpak0g0cs40@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42E75C8A.1070900@msln.net> <20050727091845.30atgcjn4xc8sswg@webmail> <42E93D45.6090800@msln.net> Message-ID: <20050728211843.ua5a5a0wxaw0c0kw@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Make sure you create both files on a windows machine or use unix2dos on the file. Unix carriage returns will break the file. Also, it looked like my file got spaced out some in the email looking at it. This: [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet Files;History;Temp;My Documents;Desktop" Should look like (on all of them): [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet Files;History;Temp;My Documents;Desktop" -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Mark Gumprecht : > I created the mydoc.reg and it runs on the machine, but when I check the > registry the keys are not changed. I browsed to the netlogon directory > from the client and double clicked on the mydoc.reg and it asks if I > want to install the keys, says it was sucessful in doing so, but it > wasn't. Any ideas? I checked the logs and didn't find any errors. > Mark > > Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> Here is how I do it (files are in netlogon share on PDC) >> >> startup.bat: >> >> REM Change directory to P:\ >> cd p: >> >> >> REM If the folders My Documents and Desktop >> REM don't exist in P:\ create them. >> >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\My Documents\." MD "P:\My Documents" >> >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >> >> REM Now that we are certain that both directories exist, >> REM run regedit silently using the file on osprey. >> >> >> regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\mydoc.reg >> >> >> REM This didn't work... >> REM regedit /s \\osprey\netlogon\logoff.reg >> >> :END >> >> =================== >> >> mydoc.reg >> >> REGEDIT4 >> >> >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon] >> >> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >> Files;History;Temp;My >> Documents;Desktop" >> >> >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> >> >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User >> Shell >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"="P:\\My Documents" >> >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> >> ============== >> >> You can see here the first thing I do with the reg file is define which >> directories I exlude from roaming. >> >> Then I modifiy the entries that tell where to point My Documents >> (personal) and >> desktop. >> >> >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 29 01:25:51 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:25:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 17:18 -0600, Ben Nickell wrote: > I have the opportunity to salvage some old hardware. I would appreciate > advice on whether any of this is worthwhile for use in thin clients. > I'm only interested in it if it is easy or will work out of the box or > could replace a less capable part in another system (network or video > card). > > Here are the specs. > > AT power supply > P1 200 MMX processors > 96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS > 3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot > (Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to > PXE boot?) > ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > > Does anyone have experience with this hardware? > Hello Ben, We started out with the same specs on our first 20 terminals. We used the rom-o-matic boot floppies. The existing video cards were 2MB. We added 8mb pci video cards to them and it made a huge difference. I just did a quick google and I see they are still selling for about 24.00. Look for Jaton Trident 9880 8MB PCI. John From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 29 01:38:56 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:38:56 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Question Message-ID: <200507290357.j6T3vRL07095@downeast.net> can i get back to you when i am a little more lucid...we used ldap add to create a staff group..then fed all prospectve members of the staff group to an ldif with memeberUid=luckydude memberUid=luckygal memberUid=tootsuite than ldapmodifythe staff group into the ldap database...contact me off list when i am not cerebrally challenged..chuck > I'm still figuring my way around my new Samba/LDAP PDC anp to an ldif d i have a > question that I'm hoping someone here can answer. Can I create a group > that contains other groups? I have all of my staff broken down into > es_staff, ms_staff and hs_staff. What I'd like to do is set up a group > called "staff" that includes these three groups, rather than having to > add each user's individual account to a new group. Can I do this, and > if so, how? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > The maximum weight for a golf ball is 1.62 oz. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jul 29 01:51:56 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:51:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <42E98BBC.6060707@cmosnetworks.com> Ben Nickell wrote: >I have the opportunity to salvage some old hardware. I would appreciate >advice on whether any of this is worthwhile for use in thin clients. >I'm only interested in it if it is easy or will work out of the box or >could replace a less capable part in another system (network or video >card). > >Here are the specs. > >AT power supply >P1 200 MMX processors >96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS >3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot >(Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to >PXE boot?) >ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > >Does anyone have experience with this hardware? > >To netboot those network cards, is the easiest way to purchase bootroms? > >Thanks in advance, >Ben Nickell > > The one I'm typing on now is similar to yours: Pentium-166 (not MMX) 32MB DRAM 3Com 3C905b-TX S3 Trio64 video board I use an EtherBoot floppy for the 3C905 to netboot this guy. Works very well. You're right; they don't PXE boot, but if you've got a boot ROM in it, it'll use EtherBoot. I simulate this with a floppy, made from the Rom-O-Matic image. --TP From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 02:00:10 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:00:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 7/28/05, John Baillie wrote: > We started out with the same specs on our first 20 terminals. We used > the rom-o-matic boot floppies. The existing video cards were 2MB. We > added 8mb pci video cards to them and it made a huge difference. I just > did a quick google and I see they are still selling for about 24.00. > Look for Jaton Trident 9880 8MB PCI. 4mb is the magic amount for 1024x768 @ 24bit color. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 29 11:34:04 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:34:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapsearch Samba/LDAP Question Message-ID: <200507291352.j6TDqWL04001@downeast.net> ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -b "ou=$ldfile,ou=People,$suffix" -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -s sub "(objectClass=sambaSamAccount)" | grep sn: | cut -f2 -d ":"|cut -c2- >$ldfolder/$ldfile here is an ldapsearch to pick put all sn names from a group and send them yo a file you can then add a MemberUid to a group ldif cat <> $ldfolder/$ldfile.ldif dn: cn=$ldfile, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2050 gidNumber: 2050 EOF cat $ldfolder/$ldfile|while read item ; do echo "memberUid: $item" >> ld4.ldif cat <> ld4.ldif sambaGroupType: 2 objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: sambaGroupMapping cn: $ldfile EOF ############################################################## echo $name > $ldfolder/$ldfile then use an ldapmodify to overwrite the sisting staff group entry #ldapmodify -x -h localhost -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -f /#root/ld4.ldif --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 29 13:16:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:16:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42EA2C4A.5020705@maltzen.net> John Baillie wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 17:18 -0600, Ben Nickell wrote: > >>I have the opportunity to salvage some old hardware. I would appreciate >>advice on whether any of this is worthwhile for use in thin clients. >>I'm only interested in it if it is easy or will work out of the box or >>could replace a less capable part in another system (network or video >>card). >> >>Here are the specs. >> >>AT power supply >>P1 200 MMX processors >>96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS >>3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot >>(Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to >>PXE boot?) >>ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. >> >>Does anyone have experience with this hardware? >> > > Hello Ben, > > We started out with the same specs on our first 20 terminals. We used > the rom-o-matic boot floppies. The existing video cards were 2MB. We > added 8mb pci video cards to them and it made a huge difference. I just > did a quick google and I see they are still selling for about 24.00. > Look for Jaton Trident 9880 8MB PCI. > > John > Can you elaborate on how the 8MB video cards "made a huge difference"; did the terminals seem to run faster (because the screens updated faster) ? Look better? Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 13:51:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:51:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) Message-ID: <002301c59444$9b2a8830$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I have been having a nightmare trying to find a gui app to admin the Samba/LDAP configuration, at least one that works for 100% of operations. I don't really care which one I get to work, just so it works 100%. I don't want to have to explain to whoever uses the system why they can't click here. I also don't want to have to use a combination of programs to get the job done. Just be clear this is a fresh (acutally 3 separate fresh servers) install of K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre2 with smbldap-installer-2.0-alpha.tgz. I was thinking of scrapping this idea and trying Fedora Directory Server. But then I started reading the install instructions (yeah right, confusion instructions is better fitting). I think this would take me 3 weeks to try and build, so this most likely is not an option anymore, unless someone has successfully built this and has instructions that don't require an oversized brain and a lack of a social life to do so. 1. I have Webmin working to edit/view existing users, but I don't have the right settings to add them. Anyone have an example of what settings should be set on in the module configuration page? 2. I have LAM running and it appeared to be working, however when I create new users, it sets up everything but their home folders. Currently it is set to add to /home/$user. If I create the users at the command line with the ./smbldap-useradd -m user it works perfectly. I slapcat and can see the new users, I can log in as the user, but no home. Any thoughts? Also I have disk quotas enabled on the /home partition, but the Disk Quota button in user management is still grayed out. Any ideas on how to enable this? Also it will not edit existing users, say you simply want to change a users last name because of a misspelling, doesn't work. Also it does not seem to be compatible with the spaces in the default groups created by the SMB/LDAP installer. I am unable to choose one of those groups because it shoots me an error stating that the group is invalid because of the space, Domain Users should be Domain_Users according to it. But I am sure that Windows won't work correctly unless the groups are named correctly. Ideas? 3. I would love to get the IDEALX SMC working most of all. But it appears this is broken on FC4 yet. Below is a copy of the message I just sent to 1st-imc at lists.IDEALX.org. ----------Start Message---------- I have been trying for a few days now and cannot get IMC to run correctly on FC4. I get logged in, but when I click Domain Configuration or Account Management I get a 500 Internal Server error. I have tried many installations. I first tried simply using the FC3 rpm's on FC4, that didn't work. With some advice from the k12osn list I found that installing rrdtool and openssl097a was needed. This got me farther and I could at least start the imc service (before I just received and error that it couldn't find libcrypto.so.4 and libssl.so.4 when starting imc). Now on service startup it gives me a "Not a GLOB reference error" but start with (OK). However I am unable to stop the service because the system says it isn't running. If I try to un-install with rpm -e I get errors that it isn't installed. Also the login link in the upper left hand corner just directs me to a blank page. So based off advice I found posted to this list about another FC4 problem I built new rpms on the FC4 machine from source with # rpmbuild -tb imc-1.2.50-1-FC3-tar.gz, this created a new imc and a imc-common rpm. I installed those. Then I rebuilt the samba-console from source as well and installed the new samba-console rpm. I am now where I was with the straight FC3 rpms and simply get the 500 Internal Server error. Is this just not ready or tested for FC4 yet? Does anyone have this running on FC4? To help out I have listed the 2 errors with more detail below: 500 Internal Server Error There was an error processing your request A fatal error occured : insufficient privileges to access /samba/conf at plugins/Core/IMC/RequestDispatcher.pm line 52. --------Start Web Server Error-------------- at IMC::RequestDispatcher::dispatch (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline/Dispatch.pm:69) at Pipeline::Dispatch::next (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline.pm:90) at Pipeline::dispatch_loop (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline.pm:64) at Pipeline::dispatch (plugins/Core/IMC/MainPipeline.pm:23) at IMC::MainPipeline::dispatch (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../lib/IMC/HTTP/Server.pm:180) at IMC::HTTP::Server::process_request (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server.pm:108) at Net::Server::run_client_connection (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:255) at Net::Server::PreFork::run_child (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:210) at Net::Server::PreFork::run_n_children (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:132) at Net::Server::PreFork::loop (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server.pm:82) at Net::Server::run (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/imc-server:25) ---------End Web Server Error------------- ---------Start Service Error-------------- [root at ltsp2 ~]# /etc/init.d/imc restart Stopping imc-server: [FAILED] Starting imc-server: (in cleanup) Not a GLOB reference at /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 454. [ OK ] [root at ltsp2 ~]# ---------End Service Error-------------- --------------End Message-------------- Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 29 13:46:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:46:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) Message-ID: <200507291604.j6TG4vL27305@downeast.net> Jim how about a list of functions youd like..that little python script i sent is a leadin to any bash script..and i have like scripts for install from csv ad single user...even add to individual groups..chuck > I have been having a nightmare trying to find a gui app to admin the > Samba/LDAP configuration, at least one that works for 100% of > operations. I don't really care which one I get to work, just so it > works 100%. I don't want to have to explain to whoever uses the system > why they can't click here. I also don't want to have to use a > combination of programs to get the job done. Just be clear this is a > fresh (acutally 3 separate fresh servers) install of K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre2 > with smbldap-installer-2.0-alpha.tgz. > > I was thinking of scrapping this idea and trying Fedora Directory > Server. But then I started reading the install instructions (yeah > right, confusion instructions is better fitting). I think this would > take me 3 weeks to try and build, so this most likely is not an option > anymore, unless someone has successfully built this and has instructions > that don't require an oversized brain and a lack of a social life to do > so. > > 1. I have Webmin working to edit/view existing users, but I don't have > the right settings to add them. Anyone have an example of what settings > should be set on in the module configuration page? > > 2. I have LAM running and it appeared to be working, however when I > create new users, it sets up everything but their home folders. > Currently it is set to add to /home/$user. If I create the users at the > command line with the ./smbldap-useradd -m user it works perfectly. I > slapcat and can see the new users, I can log in as the user, but no > home. Any thoughts? Also I have disk quotas enabled on the /home > partition, but the Disk Quota button in user management is still grayed > out. Any ideas on how to enable this? Also it will not edit existing > users, say you simply want to change a users last name because of a > misspelling, doesn't work. Also it does not seem to be compatible with > the spaces in the default groups created by the SMB/LDAP installer. I > am unable to choose one of those groups because it shoots me an error > stating that the group is invalid because of the space, Domain Users > should be Domain_Users according to it. But I am sure that Windows > won't work correctly unless the groups are named correctly. Ideas? > > 3. I would love to get the IDEALX SMC working most of all. But it > appears this is broken on FC4 yet. Below is a copy of the message I just > sent to 1st-imc at lists.IDEALX.org. > ----------Start Message---------- > I have been trying for a few days now and cannot get IMC to run > correctly on FC4. I get logged in, but when I click Domain > Configuration or Account Management I get a 500 Internal Server error. > I have tried many installations. I first tried simply using the FC3 > rpm's on FC4, that didn't work. With some advice from the k12osn list I > found that installing rrdtool and openssl097a was needed. This got me > farther and I could at least start the imc service (before I just > received and error that it couldn't find libcrypto.so.4 and libssl.so.4 > when starting imc). Now on service startup it gives me a "Not a GLOB > reference error" but start with (OK). However I am unable to stop the > service because the system says it isn't running. If I try to > un-install with rpm -e I get errors that it isn't installed. Also the > login link in the upper left hand corner just directs me to a blank > page. > > So based off advice I found posted to this list about another FC4 > problem I built new rpms on the FC4 machine from source with # rpmbuild > -tb imc-1.2.50-1-FC3-tar.gz, this created a new imc and a imc-common > rpm. I installed those. Then I rebuilt the samba-console from source > as well and installed the new samba-console rpm. I am now where I was > with the straight FC3 rpms and simply get the 500 Internal Server error. > > Is this just not ready or tested for FC4 yet? Does anyone have this > running on FC4? > > To help out I have listed the 2 errors with more detail below: > > 500 Internal Server Error > There was an error processing your request > > A fatal error occured : > insufficient privileges to access /samba/conf at > plugins/Core/IMC/RequestDispatcher.pm line 52. > --------Start Web Server Error-------------- > at IMC::RequestDispatcher::dispatch > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline/Dispatch.pm:69) > at Pipeline::Dispatch::next > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline.pm:90) > at Pipeline::dispatch_loop > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Pipeline.pm:64) > at Pipeline::dispatch (plugins/Core/IMC/MainPipeline.pm:23) > at IMC::MainPipeline::dispatch > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../lib/IMC/HTTP/Server.pm:180) > at IMC::HTTP::Server::process_request > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server.pm:108) > at Net::Server::run_client_connection > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:255) > at Net::Server::PreFork::run_child > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:210) > at Net::Server::PreFork::run_n_children > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server/PreFork.pm:132) > at Net::Server::PreFork::loop > (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/Net/Server.pm:82) > at Net::Server::run (/opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/imc-server:25) > ---------End Web Server Error------------- > > ---------Start Service Error-------------- > [root at ltsp2 ~]# /etc/init.d/imc restart > Stopping imc-server: [FAILED] > Starting imc-server: (in cleanup) Not a GLOB reference at > /opt/IDEALX/imc/bin/../libexec/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 454. > [ OK ] > [root at ltsp2 ~]# > ---------End Service Error-------------- > > --------------End Message-------------- > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 29 14:11:55 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:11:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup Message-ID: <42EA392B.20201@inlandlakes.org> I'm just looking for advice and/or links regarding the subject line. I'm looking to make a cheap, *safer* mass storage area. If I have say 4 firewire drives and 2 USB2 drives, is it possible (read: feasible) to create a software RAID5 array with them in linux? I'm comfortable with software raid on internal drives, but I'm not sure how it would be done with firewire/USB2 drives. My big worry is that it seems it depends on the order the kernel sees USB/FW drives as to what device they are named. Since RAID depends on specific drives being specific stripes, I would worry that a reboot would render the array useless. (If /dev/sda was /dev/sde on reboot, how would such a thing be handled?) I know that performance would be bad on such a beast -- but I'm looking for mass storage, that would not need to be fast at all. And I don't want to use Windows Server. :) Any thoughts? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 14:25:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) In-Reply-To: <200507291604.j6TG4vL27305@downeast.net> Message-ID: <002701c59449$5dba2190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim how about a list of functions youd like..that little > python script i sent is a leadin to any bash script..and i > have like scripts for install from csv ad single user...even > add to individual groups..chuck - Add User/s - Add Group/s - Delete User/s (option to delete user and leave home dir) - Delete Group/s - Modify User/s (change name spelling) - Modify Group/s - Add/Remove Groups Users belong to (choose from list if possible) - Control Over User Disk Quotas. (add quota, remove quota, adjust quota, status of current usage) - Bulk User Import (from csv with the following info: username, fullname, existing password, disk quota) - Bulk User Delete (username) - Get listing of users - Get listing of groups The above is a list of what I would need in a perfect world. I can do this all right now with the Webmin User management tool, it is awesome. I would love to be able to keep this type of control. I want to be sure that this system can be run if I no longer work here, or am away. Everything is working from command line at this point except quotas. Don?t know what needs to be done in this regard, but this isn't a show stopper, just a handy feature. Chuck, I would appreciate your scripts. If nothing else maybe I could tweak them to suit my needs. You are using a different setup than the smb/ldap installer, correct? I imagine that would require some changes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 14:32:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup In-Reply-To: <42EA392B.20201@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002801c5944a$52e383a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I know that performance would be bad on such a beast -- but > I'm looking > for mass storage, that would not need to be fast at all. And I don't > want to use Windows Server. :) Is there another reason for the external firewire or usb other than mass storage? Does this need to be easily removable or taken off site? The reason I ask is that if you don't need to easily transport this, it sounds like with the performance hit it would be better to go with a different type of setup. How much space are we talking here? I installed a CERC SATA controller with 6 250GB SATA drives for around $1600. This give you 1.5 TB of storage. Even if you bought 250GB external drives all you would save is the cost of the controller. The card I used handles RAID 5, you could probably reduce the cost with standard ATA or a controller that only does RAID 0 or 1. There are 6 Channel ATA controllers out there, I have one from Promise installed in my backup server with 200GB drives on it. I think your life would be miserable with an external firewire array, if it is even possible/feasable. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 29 14:40:41 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:40:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup In-Reply-To: <002801c5944a$52e383a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002801c5944a$52e383a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42EA3FE9.5030408@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is there another reason for the external firewire or usb other than mass > storage? Yeah -- I *have* them already. :) The setup will ideally be: (2) 300GB drives internally (IDE) (4) 300GB firewire drives (2) 300GB USB2 drives For a 2.1TB RAID5 array. Like I said, I have all the equipment already. If the conversion of our tapes to digital format (playable over our network) is deemed worthwhile, then I'll go with an actual beefier server to manage the storage. I'm trying to shoestring the thing now, because it's only in the trial stage. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 14:48:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:48:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 3 update to newest ltsp Message-ID: <002901c5944c$a77e6130$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Since I am having trouble with 4.4.0 pre2 and IMC, I am wondering if I can install the newest k12ltsp based off of FC3 and then yum upgrade all applications to the newest versions. It looks like IMC should run fine on FC3 but I want the nice new apps that are in 4.4.0 pre2 (education suite, GIMP, OpenOffice2.0, etc). Thoughts? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 29 14:52:16 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:52:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup In-Reply-To: <42EA3FE9.5030408@inlandlakes.org> References: <002801c5944a$52e383a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <42EA3FE9.5030408@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42EA42A0.8020101@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > (2) 300GB drives internally (IDE) > (4) 300GB firewire drives > (2) 300GB USB2 drives Hmm... just got this link from someone. Maybe I'll rip the drives out of the enclosures, and just do this: http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php I worry about fault tolerance though. What happens if a drive fails in a JBOD configuration with software raid? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 14:56:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup In-Reply-To: <42EA3FE9.5030408@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002a01c5944d$a98908d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Yeah -- I *have* them already. :) The setup will ideally be: > > (2) 300GB drives internally (IDE) > (4) 300GB firewire drives > (2) 300GB USB2 drives > > For a 2.1TB RAID5 array. Like I said, I have all the > equipment already. > If the conversion of our tapes to digital format (playable over our > network) is deemed worthwhile, then I'll go with an actual beefier > server to manage the storage. I'm trying to shoestring the > thing now, > because it's only in the trial stage. You could always gut the cases for the drives and then order a controller. I have done this before. Then I keep the cases and cut a slot in the top, pull the IDE ribbon cable through, then glue a mouse pad (upside down) to the top and cut to fit. Then I use these cases for running utilities, data transfer, etc on HD's from other machines. Very handy. Of course finding a machine laying around that handles 8 HDs might be tough. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jul 29 15:39:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42EA2C4A.5020705@maltzen.net> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> <1122600351.3965.78.camel@onecent.thebaillies.lan> <42EA2C4A.5020705@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1122651560.4609.25.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 08:16 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 17:18 -0600, Ben Nickell wrote: > > > >>I have the opportunity to salvage some old hardware. I would appreciate > >>advice on whether any of this is worthwhile for use in thin clients. > >>I'm only interested in it if it is easy or will work out of the box or > >>could replace a less capable part in another system (network or video > >>card). > >> > >>Here are the specs. > >> > >>AT power supply > >>P1 200 MMX processors > >>96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS > >>3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot > >>(Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to > >>PXE boot?) > >>ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > >> > >>Does anyone have experience with this hardware? > >> > > > > Hello Ben, > > > > We started out with the same specs on our first 20 terminals. We used > > the rom-o-matic boot floppies. The existing video cards were 2MB. We > > added 8mb pci video cards to them and it made a huge difference. I just > > did a quick google and I see they are still selling for about 24.00. > > Look for Jaton Trident 9880 8MB PCI. > > > > John > > > Can you elaborate on how the 8MB video cards "made a huge difference"; did the terminals > seem to run faster (because the screens updated faster) ? Look better? > > Petre I don't remember them looking any better but they ran faster. I think the minimum requirement for video is 2MB but it was not satisfactory. I never compared 4 MB vs. 8 MB so I can't say if it would make a difference. If the 4 MB works and the boxes in question are saddled with 2 MB like ours were, 4 MB cards can be found cheaper than those 8 MB Jaton s John From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 29 16:49:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:49:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Firewire or USB2 in a softRAID setup In-Reply-To: <42EA42A0.8020101@inlandlakes.org> References: <002801c5944a$52e383a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <42EA3FE9.5030408@inlandlakes.org> <42EA42A0.8020101@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1122655782.2935.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 09:52, Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > (2) 300GB drives internally (IDE) > > (4) 300GB firewire drives > > (2) 300GB USB2 drives I've been trying to make RAID1 work between an internal 250GB IDE and an external firewire for ages. It seemed solid on FC1 with the 2.4 kernel but then it was a manual process to modprobe the device to get it detected before adding to the raid. I've switched to FC3 and now the device is detected automatically but I haven't been able to keep it running more than a day at a time with the raid active. Either errors on the drive make it fail and be dropped from the raid or the machine completely crashes. The reason I want this is so I can keep offsite copies of my backuppc archive by periodically swapping drives. It has been working well enough that I can connect a disk, sync the raid and then disconnect, but isn't reliable enough to leave active. I have a compatible backuppc setup on my laptop and can plug the drive into it with USB2 and restore things. If I have time to rebuild the system before the firewire/sbp2 drivers are fixed I'll probably put LVM on the internal drive and just copy snapshots to the external drive instead of doing a raid mirror. > Hmm... just got this link from someone. Maybe I'll rip the drives out > of the enclosures, and just do this: > > http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php I don't think that setup has any authentication. If you just want a bunch of shared disk space, install the Centos-based k12ltsp version on a separate box for the server. > I worry about fault tolerance though. What happens if a drive fails in > a JBOD configuration with software raid? With RAID5, things slow down. With RAID1 you don't really notice the difference. Either way when you add a working drive back to the raid with the mdadm command it will resync and with hot-swap drives you don't have to stop. If you don't need portability, you should probably just get a 3ware raid controller and move the drives to a different enclosure. If you do, you might be better off with SATA and a hot-swap SATA case. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jul 29 17:16:56 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:16:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wasting a Gig port? (OT) Message-ID: Hey everyone, Is it a waste of a port to plug a non-server with a 100Mb card into a 10/100/1000 capable port on a switch? Situation. 10 port switch = 2 Gig ports 8 10/100 ports 1 Gig port for connection to main network Would a computer with a 100Mb card see any benefit in being connected to the Gig port over one of the 100Mb ports? Thanks, Jimmy From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Jul 29 17:23:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:23:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering Message-ID: <01E73657-AF6E-4127-A9A1-CCDCF72BEB7B@telenet.be> Hello, I'd like to now for our new setup if it is possible to make a redundant cluster of LTSP servers in which all management is done central, and when f.e. one servers drops out the other ones will take over? Eventually combined with load balancing? Kevin From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Fri Jul 29 17:32:01 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:32:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Sound Message-ID: <42EA6811.3070604@stmaurice.mb.ca> I think I got it going now. Thanks for pointing me to the wiki does it sometimes not function, sound I mean? If I just log out of a thin client, and log back in, I sometimes don't get flash sound. But if I log out then reboot thin client, I almost always get the flash sound From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 17:41:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:41:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wasting a Gig port? (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c59464$d126f980$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Is it a waste of a port to plug a non-server with a 100Mb > card into a > 10/100/1000 capable port on a switch? > > Situation. > > 10 port switch = > 2 Gig ports > 8 10/100 ports > > 1 Gig port for connection to main network > Would a computer with a 100Mb card see any benefit in being > connected > to the Gig port over one of the 100Mb ports? You won't see any performance gain. The card will tell the port the fastest it can connect is 100MB and the two will only work at 100MB together. However if you have 10 ports used, and the GB port is sitting open anyway, it doesn't hurt to plug a 100MB computer into it to avoid buying another switch. But if you have both 100MB ports and GB ports open, there won't be any difference between the two. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Jul 29 17:44:29 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers (Webmail)) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) In-Reply-To: <002701c59449$5dba2190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002701c59449$5dba2190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1122659069.42ea6afdc0818@webmail> If you use the smbldap-userbulkadd scripts it's quite easy to tweak got set quota's. I've altered / hacked the script for myself to set quotas and I had started work on allowing this as an configurable option in the userinfo.in file but got a bit snowed under when I started our main roll out for the year. Yes WEBMIN rocks *grin*, I tend to use it in combination with LAM & the shell scripts to manage things. You can alter LAM to allow spaces etc. If you have a look on the LAM site and if they have an archive of mail look through this as I asked the question a couple of months back but I've forgot the answer :-\ Brian Quoting Jim Kronebusch : > > Jim how about a list of functions youd like..that little > > python script i sent is a leadin to any bash script..and i > > have like scripts for install from csv ad single user...even > > add to individual groups..chuck > > - Add User/s > - Add Group/s > - Delete User/s (option to delete user and leave home dir) > - Delete Group/s > - Modify User/s (change name spelling) > - Modify Group/s > - Add/Remove Groups Users belong to (choose from list if possible) > - Control Over User Disk Quotas. (add quota, remove quota, adjust quota, > status of current usage) > - Bulk User Import (from csv with the following info: username, > fullname, existing password, disk quota) > - Bulk User Delete (username) > - Get listing of users > - Get listing of groups > > The above is a list of what I would need in a perfect world. I can do > this all right now with the Webmin User management tool, it is awesome. > I would love to be able to keep this type of control. I want to be sure > that this system can be run if I no longer work here, or am away. > > Everything is working from command line at this point except quotas. > Don?t know what needs to be done in this regard, but this isn't a show > stopper, just a handy feature. > > Chuck, I would appreciate your scripts. If nothing else maybe I could > tweak them to suit my needs. You are using a different setup than the > smb/ldap installer, correct? I imagine that would require some changes. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 17:51:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:51:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering In-Reply-To: <01E73657-AF6E-4127-A9A1-CCDCF72BEB7B@telenet.be> Message-ID: <003001c59466$28b2d1f0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I'd like to now for our new setup if it is possible to make a > redundant cluster of LTSP servers in which all management is done > central, and when f.e. one servers drops out the other ones > will take > over? > Eventually combined with load balancing? I think the best idea I have seen here in that respect is to build a central auth server, central home server, and a central DHCP server. The build your ltsp servers set to mount /home from the central /home server and to auth to the central auth server. Then build an internal DNS server and set up DNS to round robin between your ltsp servers. Then setup your dhcpd.conf on the dhcp server and lts.conf files on the other ltsp servers to use a domain name instead of an IP to call on everything. Be sure that dhcp is turned off on all but the master dhcp server. I think this is all theory yet, but it may give you a start. If all of this does work I was thinking in the past it may be very helpful to incorporate this into the ltsp setup to choose if the server is master or slave and such to make clustering easier. Then if master is chosen choose which services it is the master for, and if slave is chosen allow entry of master servers to report to. Make it an advanced setup or something, but leave the default the way it is currently. When getting over 40-60 machines it seems that clustering is a must, sure would be nice to have this feature available. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Jul 29 17:52:04 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:52:04 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering In-Reply-To: <01E73657-AF6E-4127-A9A1-CCDCF72BEB7B@telenet.be> References: <01E73657-AF6E-4127-A9A1-CCDCF72BEB7B@telenet.be> Message-ID: <10102.200.222.204.103.1122659524.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> It's called high availability, I've seen someone write on this. You can have multiple servers run dhcpd on different ports, in a switch within the lan. Whenever one goes down another one will take over. Peace. > Hello, > > I'd like to now for our new setup if it is possible to make a > redundant cluster of LTSP servers in which all management is done > central, and when f.e. one servers drops out the other ones will take > over? > Eventually combined with load balancing? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 29 17:59:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:59:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) In-Reply-To: <1122659069.42ea6afdc0818@webmail> Message-ID: <003101c59467$45733e50$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > If you use the smbldap-userbulkadd scripts it's quite easy to > tweak got set > quota's. I've altered / hacked the script for myself to set > quotas and I had > started work on allowing this as an configurable option in > the userinfo.in file > but got a bit snowed under when I started our main roll out > for the year. I see that Matt Oquist's newest version of the installer (2.0-alpha) says it allows for use of disk quotas, but I have no idea how to use it. If you have the info on what to hack in the smbldap-userbulkadd script I wouldn't mind taking a peek at it. > Yes WEBMIN rocks *grin*, I tend to use it in combination with > LAM & the shell > scripts to manage things. You can alter LAM to allow spaces > etc. If you have a > look on the LAM site and if they have an archive of mail look > through this as I > asked the question a couple of months back but I've forgot > the answer :-\ So you use the Webmin LDAP Users and Groups module? If I had the correct properties to set in the module config I don't think I would need anything else. It currently views and modifies all users, I just need the correct stuff to set in LDAP attributes for creation of new users. Any tips? I don't mind using the smbldap-userbulkadd and delete scripts once a year to handle mass user tasks. But I assume if I had the right settings for the module config I could just use the bulk add in webmin. I'll check the LAM site to find the fix for the space problem. Does your LAM add users correctly? Like I said mine works perfect except it does not create the users /home folder for them, if I could fix that piece this would work as well. I am so close to getting all of these stupid things to work, I just have a bug in each. Like I said, I don't care which one I use, just so it works :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 29 18:08:49 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy SAAD Message-ID: <42EA70B1.5000006@inlandlakes.org> Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day everyone! http://www.sysadminday.com/ (If you're like me, you didn't get a single thank you call today, so I thought I'd pat everyone on the back. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 19:23:20 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering In-Reply-To: <10102.200.222.204.103.1122659524.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <20050729192320.11070.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First link on google with the query 'ltsp high availability' http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html --- Ramon wrote: > It's called high availability, I've seen someone > write on this. You can have > multiple servers run dhcpd on different ports, in a > switch within the lan. Whenever > one goes down another one will take over. > Peace. > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to now for our new setup if it is > possible to make a > > redundant cluster of LTSP servers in which all > management is done > > central, and when f.e. one servers drops out the > other ones will take > > over? > > Eventually combined with load balancing? > > > > Kevin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Jul 29 19:27:33 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:27:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management questions (Webmin,LAM,IDEALX SMC) In-Reply-To: <003101c59467$45733e50$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003101c59467$45733e50$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42EA8325.70400@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>If you use the smbldap-userbulkadd scripts it's quite easy to >>tweak got set >>quota's. I've altered / hacked the script for myself to set >>quotas and I had >>started work on allowing this as an configurable option in >>the userinfo.in file >>but got a bit snowed under when I started our main roll out >>for the year. > > > I see that Matt Oquist's newest version of the installer (2.0-alpha) > says it allows for use of disk quotas, but I have no idea how to use it. > If you have the info on what to hack in the smbldap-userbulkadd script I > wouldn't mind taking a peek at it. > > Ah I sent him my script a while back and I thought he either hadn't got it or just ignored it as a horrible hack :-) >>Yes WEBMIN rocks *grin*, I tend to use it in combination with >>LAM & the shell >>scripts to manage things. You can alter LAM to allow spaces >>etc. If you have a >>look on the LAM site and if they have an archive of mail look >>through this as I >>asked the question a couple of months back but I've forgot >>the answer :-\ > > > So you use the Webmin LDAP Users and Groups module? If I had the > correct properties to set in the module config I don't think I would > need anything else. It currently views and modifies all users, I just > need the correct stuff to set in LDAP attributes for creation of new > users. Any tips? > Sorry no, I just use it to alter users not create them. I quite like using the command line so I just create a csv file and use Matt's script for one user. > I don't mind using the smbldap-userbulkadd and delete scripts once a > year to handle mass user tasks. But I assume if I had the right > settings for the module config I could just use the bulk add in webmin. > > I'll check the LAM site to find the fix for the space problem. Does > your LAM add users correctly? Like I said mine works perfect except it > does not create the users /home folder for them, if I could fix that > piece this would work as well. > > I am so close to getting all of these stupid things to work, I just have > a bug in each. Like I said, I don't care which one I use, just so it > works :-) > Hang in there, it'll finally give in *grin* Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 21:08:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mythtv and ltsp Message-ID: <20050729210830.43825.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was some talk about using mythtv on this list a while back. I'm wondering if anybody has done it successfully and could offer any advice. Searching around, I came across this site which runs the mythtv front end as a local app on the terminals. http://www.myltsptv.org/en/ Seems to me that the front end should be able to run on the server, and just be accessed by the terminals. I'm not too concerned about bandwidth problems, because I'll only be using 2 terminals simultaneously at the most. Usually it will probably be only 1 terminal in use for watching recorded videos. If anybody's got experience with this, please speak up! Thanks -Rob ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 21:12:29 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mplayer not working on terminals Message-ID: <20050729211229.90602.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> mplayer used to work just fine, but now it just locks up. It works fine on the server, but on the terminal it won't play video or music. Any ideas what to look for? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 29 22:30:51 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:30:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mplayer not working on terminals References: <20050729211229.90602.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01c5948d$2d18b260$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi ROB I have mplayer working fine on terminals. I can send you all the RPMS you need to make Mplayer work if you like. I also had to do an install of Xine to make Xine work within Mozilla from the web. Let me know if you find a cleaner solution. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [K12OSN] mplayer not working on terminals > mplayer used to work just fine, but now it just locks > up. It works fine on the server, but on the terminal > it won't play video or music. Any ideas what to look > for? > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 22:39:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mplayer not working on terminals In-Reply-To: <006d01c5948d$2d18b260$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <20050729223913.83221.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure, send me the RPMS. I'm not sure if they'll get me anywhere, since Mplayer was working before, but I'll try it. Thanks -Rob --- Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi ROB > > I have mplayer working fine on terminals. > I can send you all the RPMS you need to make > Mplayer work if you like. > I also had to do an install of Xine to make Xine > work within Mozilla > from the web. > > Let me know if you find a cleaner solution. > > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:12 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] mplayer not working on terminals > > > > mplayer used to work just fine, but now it just > locks > > up. It works fine on the server, but on the > terminal > > it won't play video or music. Any ideas what to > look > > for? > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 05:14:35 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:14:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [school-discuss] NETS (Nat'l Edu. Tech. Standards) lesson plans for OSS edu software? In-Reply-To: <20050731050216.GE30442@sonic.net> References: <20050731050216.GE30442@sonic.net> Message-ID: Bill: The NECC (National Educational Computing Conference) that is held annually, and that has for the last few years supported and Open Source / Linux lab, is run by ISTE. Paul Nelson from the K12 list has typically organized the efforts at that show, and asked me to help this for this summers show in Philadelphia, since he was unavailable. The director of ISTE was actively involved in the coordinating of the Open Source area, and has been super helpful. The sessions that they held on Moodle this year had to be closed off each session because there were more who wanted to attend than were able to. I don't know how many members ISTE has, but over 16,000 attended the show. I'm hoping to work with them again this next summer in San Diego, and would be glad to open a dialogue on NETS. I'm currently working on their application form to form a SIG (special interest group) for Open Source. Steve On 7/30/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > A teacher-and-grad-student over on the 'tuxpaint-users' mailing list > asked if the Tux Paint project had any lesson plans available which used > the software. (There are some "didactical laboratories" published in > Italian, but beyond that, I know of none.) > > She also wanted to know how such lessons would align with NETS standards. > For those who don't know (like I didn't, before being asked about this :^) ), > > "The National Educational Technology Standards (NETS) Project is an > ongoing initiative of the International Society for Technology in > Education (ISTE) and a consortium of distinguished partners and > co-sponsors." > > http://cnets.iste.org/ > > > Ben Armstrong suggested I bring this topic up over here on > 'schoolforge-discuss'. I was wondering if anyone out here knew much > about NETS, and/or how to put together lesson plans for Open Source > educational software that would adhere to the standard. (Is there any?) > > In the meantime, since I couldn't easily find any information for > educational software developers/publishers over at the NETS website, > I took the liberty of dropping Lajeane Thomas, the NETS Project Director, > a line to ask her directly. :^) > > I'll keep you posted on any response I receive. > > Thx in advance, > > -- > -bill! Picn*x14 --- Linux Anniversary Picnic & BBQ! > bill at newbreedsoftware.com Sunnyvale Baylands Park, Sunday, August 14th > http://newbreedsoftware.com/ http://linuxpicnic.org/ to RSVP & volunteer! > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From nbs at sonic.net Sun Jul 31 05:18:18 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:18:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [school-discuss] NETS (Nat'l Edu. Tech. Standards) lesson plans for OSS edu software? In-Reply-To: References: <20050731050216.GE30442@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050731051818.GD2205@sonic.net> On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 10:14:35PM -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: Steve, stop with the small-world stuff, you're creepin' me out. ;^) > The director of ISTE was actively involved in the coordinating of the > Open Source area, and has been super helpful. That's awesome. Glad to hear there's such an alignment with Open Source! :^) Now... I'm still wondering how to go about making lesson plans that'd be 'acceptible' from an NETS standpoint. Any ideas where else to look, and/or who else to ping? Thanks!!! -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Sun Jul 31 11:44:15 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:44:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Celestia - where to put addons in Linux? Message-ID: <20050731114415.GB1180@sonic.net> So I decided to take a peek at add-ons for Celestia (e.g., those found at the "Motherlode" website), but I'm not sure if, under Linux, I'm supposed to su to root and install these in /usr/share/celestia. Can't I simply play with them in my own sandbox? (e.g., ~/.kde/share/apps/celestia/ or some-such?) To be blunt, this app really needs some Get Hot New Stuff support. :^) -- -bill! Picn*x14 --- Linux Anniversary Picnic & BBQ! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Sunnyvale Baylands Park, Sunday, August 14th http://newbreedsoftware.com/ http://linuxpicnic.org/ to RSVP & volunteer! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 31 17:12:45 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3 Message-ID: Hey folks, I've uploaded K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3. With any luck, this one fixes all the reported show-stopping bugs. * VNC works out of the box * The "No Volume Control Elements" error is gone (except for the root user) * New version of Inkscape * New verison of KDE (hopefully fixes the ktouch issues, not yet verified) * New version of OpenOffice.org * New version of bluefish * Ton of official Fedora bug fixes You can grab the ISOs at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta . NOTE, if you have a prior pre-release installed and upgrade via apt-get, up2date, or yum, run the following commands as root afterwards: cd /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ ./no-volume-control-fix.sh ./vncts-enable.sh /sbin/service vncts reload -Eric From frank at oobschools.org Sat Jul 30 18:25:01 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:25:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PCI WiFi on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050729211229.90602.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, This may seem like a silly question, but... Has anyone had success with any particular PCI wireless card on K12LTSP (Fedora)? I'm not looking to put this on a client, just a stand-alone box running the k12ltsp distro, so I'm not worried about bandwith etc. B or G would be fine for me. I just want to put this box on the net, where it is without crawling through the drywall ;-) Thanks for your help. -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org