From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 1 05:46:30 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:46:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AFS, Coda, Intermezzo, etc Message-ID: <745C51C5-E7CB-4180-AB11-059DE1127F0A@inlandlakes.org> I am looking at using a distributed file system this year for /home. I am considering this for a couple reasons -- one is that I don't like trusting one NFS server, and the other is that I'd like to take the filesharing load off a single NFS server. I recall, perhaps a few years ago, discussion about intermezzo and/or coda -- is anyone using those beasties? How well do they work? Do you feel "safe" when using them? Thanks for any feedback, -Shawn the insomniac From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 10:09:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 03:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] cheap price on a couple SCSI drives Message-ID: <20050601100915.68030.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hopefully everybody will recognize that I'm a regular here and not a spammer... I spotted these drives that seem to be a pretty good deal, so I thought I'd post them. I don't know much about SCSI drives, so I apologize if I've wasted your time with a not-so-good deal. They are Seagate Barracuda 181 GB drives. http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=ENDECA&SEC_IID=8770&N=0&keywords=Seagate+Barracuda+181GB+SCSI+Hard+Drive&x=0&y=0 -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 10:32:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 03:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] server chooser based on desktop environment? Message-ID: <20050601103204.23694.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just curious -- Is it possible to direct a user to a particular server based on the desktop environment they choose? For instance, all KDE users get logged into server1, all GNOME users get logged into server2, etc. -Rob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Jun 1 11:15:49 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:15:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc Message-ID: OK I'm ready to toss this Dell server....can't get LTSP to load....downloaded the current release over the weekend. Tried the aic7xxx=no_probe I can install Red Hat AS v3 with no problem. One big problem is the 1425 has no floppy drive nor anyplace to attach on on the motherboard. Any other ideas? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Jun 1 11:21:55 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:21:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 1425sc Message-ID: OK I'm ready to toss this Dell server....can't get LTSP to load....downloaded the current release over the weekend. Tried the aic7xxx=no_probe I can install Red Hat AS v3 with no problem. One big problem is the 1425 has no floppy drive nor anyplace to attach on on the motherboard. Any other ideas? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Jun 1 14:13:55 2005 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:13:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP MaxiLife not responding? In-Reply-To: <1117579460.7879.103.camel@diana.ltsp> References: <1117579460.7879.103.camel@diana.ltsp> Message-ID: <20050501091355.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> >From what I read it does appear that MaxiLife was linked to an HP utility partition. However, I also have come across some info that implies the lm_sensors package works with MaxiLife sensors. Has anyone used lm_sensors? Or worked with Linux and an HP with MaxiLife? Right now I have k12ltsp 4.2.1 installed and working, but it won't boot without a couple of keystrokes during the boot routine (i.e., F1 to resume, etc.). -john smith ----- Original Message ----- David Neimeyer wrote: > John, > > It not uncommon for vendors to create "hidden" partitions that host > diagnostic, monitoring, and system restore software/utilities. So, if > you are doing a new install of ANY distro, and do not cater to these > partitions when initializing your partition table, you'll > unintentionally write over those utilities. > > I totally forgot about that while trying to salvage an old dual pII > Compaq Proliant recently: the result was that I have to buy a special CD > from HP/Compaq if I want to utilize the onboard sensors and hardware > RAID. (plus install a Windows OS to use the CD...blah) > > I would guess this may be what you are seeing. > > > -- > David Neimeyeradmin at bookpeople.com > BookPeople, Inc. > System Administrator > admin at bookpeople.com > 800-853-9757 x402 > 512-472-5050 > > 2005 Publisher's Weekly Bookseller of the Year > "The Best Bookstore in the Country" > > > > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:02 -0500, John A. Smith wrote: > > I bought an HP Vectra VL800 - P4 1.3 Ghz, 768 MB Ram - from RetroBox last month to use as a K12LTSP server. This morning I decided to do the install and am running into a couple of problems. > > > > I am getting the following error at boot "0059: MaxiLife not responding Error". From what I can decipher from googling, apparently MaxiLife is some sort of hardware monitoring and diagnostics tool used on the Vectra series. I can't find any reference to this error code or what it means. Has anyone ran across this before? This is the first Vectra I've toyed with. > > > > > > TIA, > > john smith > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > John A. Smith > > Director of Administration > > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > > FAX: 773.989.7329 > > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From mwebb at addisonboot.com Wed Jun 1 15:03:19 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:03:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer setup Message-ID: <429DCE37.1040706@addisonboot.com> getting ready to install a lexmark x125 printer (usb) to a terminal. i'm using k12ltsp 4.1. anyone know how to do it or can send me to the correct documention??? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 1 15:11:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:11:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AFS, Coda, Intermezzo, etc In-Reply-To: <745C51C5-E7CB-4180-AB11-059DE1127F0A@inlandlakes.org> References: <745C51C5-E7CB-4180-AB11-059DE1127F0A@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <429DD01F.6090904@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I am looking at using a distributed file system this year for /home. I > am considering this for a couple reasons -- one is that I don't like > trusting one NFS server, and the other is that I'd like to take the > filesharing load off a single NFS server. > > I recall, perhaps a few years ago, discussion about intermezzo and/or > coda -- is anyone using those beasties? How well do they work? Do you > feel "safe" when using them? > > Thanks for any feedback, > > -Shawn the insomniac > The "word on the street" is that GFS will eventually be the way to go. In the near future, I believe only FC4 will be shipping with GFS. (GFS is available for RHEL, but doesn't ship with it by default) I'm not sure if Code and/or Intermezzo is still being developed. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A CentOS based K12LTSP distro is supposed to be released in the near future: that should work well on your server. HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jun 1 19:06:25 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:06:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora/Redhat Directory Server Message-ID: <1117652785.20917.16.camel@phoenix.hhp> 4 words: "Active Directory Password Sync"! Anyways, has anyone had experience w/ this product, or in its former Netscape Directory Server product? Think this might fit well with Samba/LDAP? Or would we have Samba/Fedora Directory Server combination servers. I think I might try to use it to migrate off my Active Directory domain (have a Samba domain up and running w/ all the users from AD, as I move groups of students and staff over). Something for everyone to chew on. =) Summer! Here's some info: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Jun 1 19:25:41 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:25:41 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429E0BB5.5060001@hosef.org> David Dees wrote: > OK I'm ready to toss this Dell server....can't get LTSP to > load....downloaded the current release over the weekend. > Tried the aic7xxx=no_probe > I can install Red Hat AS v3 with no problem. > One big problem is the 1425 has no floppy drive nor anyplace to attach on > on the motherboard. > Any other ideas? I don't see that you have gone into BIOS to disable the hardware raid option for this controller as suggested by Eric. Yes, you can install AS v.3 for it because the controller is supported in that distro. It was not supported in FC2 based K12LTSP distros, but I believe the controller works with FC3 based K12LTSP distros, as in 4.2.1. Have you tried this? > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us --scott From accessys at smart.net Wed Jun 1 19:25:57 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] cheap price on a couple SCSI drives In-Reply-To: <20050601100915.68030.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050601100915.68030.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Hopefully everybody will recognize that I'm a regular > here and not a spammer... > > I spotted these drives that seem to be a pretty good > deal, so I thought I'd post them. I don't know much > about SCSI drives, so I apologize if I've wasted your > time with a not-so-good deal. > > They are Seagate Barracuda 181 GB drives. well have had Seagate drives and have never had any trouble with em. not sure about the seller though Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 1 19:29:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:29:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora/Redhat Directory Server In-Reply-To: <1117652785.20917.16.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1117652785.20917.16.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <429E0C92.1070304@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Burroughs wrote: > 4 words: "Active Directory Password Sync"! > > Anyways, has anyone had experience w/ this product, or in its former > Netscape Directory Server product? Think this might fit well with > Samba/LDAP? Or would we have Samba/Fedora Directory Server combination > servers. I think I might try to use it to migrate off my Active > Directory domain (have a Samba domain up and running w/ all the users > from AD, as I move groups of students and staff over). Something for > everyone to chew on. =) Summer! > > > Here's some info: > http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page > > Henry > > I installed it this morning and played around with it a little bit. The installation is straight-forward, it only took me a few minutes to get a basic config up and functional. I wish I had time to dig deep into it, but that'll have to wait. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Jun 1 19:34:24 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:34:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: <429E0BB5.5060001@hosef.org> References: <429E0BB5.5060001@hosef.org> Message-ID: yes we disabled RAID in the bios.... David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Jun 1 19:36:47 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:36:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: <, > <429E0BB5.5060001@hosef.org> <,> Message-ID: I just happen to have a slightly older Dell with dual xeon 2.4 processor with 3 bg ram.... I installed on it...and I'm going to use the 1425 for RedHat AS thanks for all the help David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Wed Jun 1 20:38:53 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:38:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server... In-Reply-To: <20050601184527.AE4F873BC2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050601133854031.00000003332@r171-rmccue> Has anyone working on the OpenLDAP / Samba scripts taken a look at the Fedora Directory Server? http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page I wonder if the integration w/ fedora will be any better... i.e. will it do the authentication out of the box for email, ftp, ssh, etc... Instead of having to configure each service individually. It would be nice if it could be the replacement for the "passwd", "groups" and "shadow" files. Rich From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:58:22 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:58:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: <429E0BB5.5060001@hosef.org> Message-ID: Eric is comming out with Centos 4 version of k12ltsp this month. If RH AS works then so will Centos. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Jun 1 23:07:41 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 01 Jun 2005 19:07:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server chooser based on desktop environment? In-Reply-To: <20050601103204.23694.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050601103204.23694.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1117667261.21473.12.camel@eriadne> On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 06:32, Rob Owens wrote: > Just curious -- Is it possible to direct a user to a > particular server based on the desktop environment > they choose? For instance, all KDE users get logged > into server1, all GNOME users get logged into server2, > etc. I can't think of any way to do that without coding one's own version of xdm/gdm/kdm. Once you get to the point of selecting a desktop enviroment and logging in you are already connected to a particular server. On the other hand, it is possible to configure the clients' Xserver to do an "indirect" query of a server (typically the one that they booted from). The "indirect" connection of the Xserver will give the user a choice of available servers to which they can connect. Some xdmcp daemons will include additional information in the list of servers like load average: a poor man's load balancing. You could use this technique and name the servers with their supported desktop environment. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu Jun 2 03:22:24 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (steve at sierra-computer.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltspadmin error Message-ID: <51348.71.111.27.196.1117682544.squirrel@71.111.27.196> I have a test server that is not working. Clients do not get IP addresses from the server. When I run ltspadmin I get this error: The primary network interface must be configured before /opt/ltsp/etc/lts.conf can be configured. I actually get a similar error trying to configure several parts of ltsp. I have 2 network cards and eth1 is connecting to the web and eth0 is set for 192.168.0.254. I must be missing something. When I setup the server I didn't have any network cards in the server. Anyone have any ideas what I might be missing? Thanks Steve From genfil at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 05:34:43 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:34:43 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client MAC address Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get the MAC address of the client? If I run ifconfig if get the MAC address of LTSP server. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Jun 2 07:01:51 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:31:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client MAC address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117695711.13382.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 13:34 +0800, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > Does anyone know how to get the MAC address of the client? > If I run ifconfig if get the MAC address of LTSP server. on the server run as root / sudo tail -f /var/log/messages When you switch on the terminal you will see the MAC address and the IP number allocated. You can pick from this the MAC address and then fix IP in /etc/dhcpd.conf by using this MAC address or make a special section in lts.conf. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 10:03:53 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltspadmin error In-Reply-To: <51348.71.111.27.196.1117682544.squirrel@71.111.27.196> Message-ID: <20050602100354.85729.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> do you have dhcp running? --- steve at sierra-computer.com wrote: > I have a test server that is not working. Clients do > not get IP addresses > from the server. When I run ltspadmin I get this > error: > > The primary network interface must be configured > before > /opt/ltsp/etc/lts.conf can be configured. I > actually get a similar error > trying to configure several parts of ltsp. > > I have 2 network cards and eth1 is connecting to the > web and eth0 is set > for 192.168.0.254. I must be missing something. When > I setup the server I > didn't have any network cards in the server. > > Anyone have any ideas what I might be missing? > > Thanks > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From roryoc at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 2 13:00:05 2005 From: roryoc at nc.rr.com (ROC) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:00:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cheap price on a couple SCSI drives In-Reply-To: <20050601184527.6077073C77@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050601184527.6077073C77@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <429F02D5.60206@nc.rr.com> k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [K12OSN] cheap price on a couple SCSI drives > From: > Rob Owens > Date: > Wed, 1 Jun 2005 03:09:15 -0700 (PDT) > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > > >Hopefully everybody will recognize that I'm a regular >here and not a spammer... > >I spotted these drives that seem to be a pretty good >deal, so I thought I'd post them. I don't know much >about SCSI drives, so I apologize if I've wasted your >time with a not-so-good deal. > >They are Seagate Barracuda 181 GB drives. > >http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=ENDECA&SEC_IID=8770&N=0&keywords=Seagate+Barracuda+181GB+SCSI+Hard+Drive&x=0&y=0 > >-Rob > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > I checked on these, and the info on "them" on Seagate's site, and they are actually the same model: 180GB drives The only diff for $5 is that you get a 80-to-68 pin cable adapter, so it seems these have an SCA interface as used in Sun (and other I think) workstations/servers. They appear to be high-end server-grade drives, so be sure your SCSI controller can work with them (not sure if that's an issue, but something I would verify before spending $140+ - dunno about Linux support, but would not think that would be an issue? ;-). FWIW Rory O'Connor From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 2 13:32:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:32:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP Message-ID: <000f01c56777$94109110$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I saw this post come through on the ltsp-discuss mailing list. Thought it may be of interest to some out here. > -----Original Message----- > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf > Of Richard Shade > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:15 AM > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP > > > Guys, I am creating an interface called PHP-LTSP, based off > of teachertool and my experience so far. The project has just > started but may have some files later on this week. Currently > it only works in local mode, however some things I would like > to add is the ability to use remote servers, SNMP, Reboot, > web based VNC and NMS. I will be adding it to SourceForge > once I figure it out. Let me know any Ideas you have for it > and if you would like to be part of the beta test or work on it. > > > Richard Shade > Project Lead - CTI Systems > Effective Teleservices, Inc. > 1903 Berry Dr. > Nacogdoches, TX 75965 > (w) 936-559-2280 > (c) 936-371-1817 > "Playing by the Rules" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 13:51:32 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:51:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP In-Reply-To: <000f01c56777$94109110$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c56777$94109110$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0506020651d861d91@mail.gmail.com> Jim, can you get Richard's e-mail address? Thanks :) Jon On 02/06/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I saw this post come through on the ltsp-discuss mailing list. Thought > it may be of interest to some out here. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf > > Of Richard Shade > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:15 AM > > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP > > > > > > Guys, I am creating an interface called PHP-LTSP, based off > > of teachertool and my experience so far. The project has just > > started but may have some files later on this week. Currently > > it only works in local mode, however some things I would like > > to add is the ability to use remote servers, SNMP, Reboot, > > web based VNC and NMS. I will be adding it to SourceForge > > once I figure it out. Let me know any Ideas you have for it > > and if you would like to be part of the beta test or work on it. > > > > > > Richard Shade > > Project Lead - CTI Systems > > Effective Teleservices, Inc. > > 1903 Berry Dr. > > Nacogdoches, TX 75965 > > (w) 936-559-2280 > > (c) 936-371-1817 > > "Playing by the Rules" > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 2 15:42:23 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:42:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Palm Syncing Message-ID: <429F28DF.4080203@inlandlakes.org> Does anyone have any ideas on how to address the "palm syncing" issue? I have a lot of teachers (and administrators) that want to sync their palm pilots with something. Another problem with it is that they mostly want to sync "Documents to Go" Any ideas? I was thinking that perhaps the newest version of Doc2go has support for documents copied to/from an SDCARD to be directly edited (like with a usb card reader, which DOES work on a thin client). But that doesn't solve the calender/application install problem. Anyway, any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated by lil' ol' me. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 2 15:42:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0506020651d861d91@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c56777$94109110$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <96df2e0b0506020651d861d91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429F28F7.8060407@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jon Spriggs wrote: > Jim, can you get Richard's e-mail address? > Thanks :) > Jon richard.shade at effectiveteleservices.com -Eric > On 02/06/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>I saw this post come through on the ltsp-discuss mailing list. Thought >>it may be of interest to some out here. >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net >>>[mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf >>>Of Richard Shade >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:15 AM >>>To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net >>>Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP >>> >>> >>>Guys, I am creating an interface called PHP-LTSP, based off >>>of teachertool and my experience so far. The project has just >>>started but may have some files later on this week. Currently >>>it only works in local mode, however some things I would like >>>to add is the ability to use remote servers, SNMP, Reboot, >>>web based VNC and NMS. I will be adding it to SourceForge >>>once I figure it out. Let me know any Ideas you have for it >>>and if you would like to be part of the beta test or work on it. >>> >>> >>>Richard Shade >>>Project Lead - CTI Systems >>>Effective Teleservices, Inc. >>>1903 Berry Dr. >>>Nacogdoches, TX 75965 >>>(w) 936-559-2280 >>>(c) 936-371-1817 >>>"Playing by the Rules" >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 2 16:06:28 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:06:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives Message-ID: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> To ensure marital harmony and bliss I am about to put together a dual boot machine using 2 hard drives. The plan is for one drive to be Windows XP and the other to be K12LTSP as a stand alone. When I fdisk the windows drive do I need to leave a small portion of the drive for Grub to be installed in? If I do need to leave some how big does the piece need to be? Thanks Pat From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 16:09:46 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:09:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client MAC address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429F2F4A.4060603@yahoo.com> Genfil Villahermosa wrote: >Does anyone know how to get the MAC address of the client? >If I run ifconfig if get the MAC address of LTSP server. > > Yes, I do. # Run command line: arp # or arp -n # the last will show you IP address instead host names. Vlad Rachinsky GJUHS District, SAcramento, CA From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Jun 2 15:47:16 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:47:16 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Palm=20Syncing?= Message-ID: Not familiar with palm pilot but there is a package called pilot-link. It's on the cd. >>> spowers at inlandlakes.org 2005-06-02 11:42:23 >>> Does anyone have any ideas on how to address the "palm syncing" issue? I have a lot of teachers (and administrators) that want to sync their palm pilots with something. Another problem with it is that they mostly want to sync "Documents to Go" Any ideas? I was thinking that perhaps the newest version of Doc2go has support for documents copied to/from an SDCARD to be directly edited (like with a usb card reader, which DOES work on a thin client). But that doesn't solve the calender/application install problem. Anyway, any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated by lil' ol' me. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I do need to leave some how big does the > piece need to be? > > Thanks > Pat > This may not be the answer you're looking for, but FWIW I find great service in putting each drive in a harddrive caddy. You don't specify your drive type in your post, but these caddies have been available for SCSI and IDE for some time, and are now available for SATA. Everything is simplified to deciding which drive - Windows or Linux - to pop in at the time of bootup to totally change the personality of the PC. This assumes you go through a complete install of each system on each drive. The only drawback of this is that you can't exchange files between systems on each drive. If you need that then you do need to have both drives active as master and slave (assuming IDE or SATA) at once. In that case simply ensure you have Windows installed on your primary drive and then start your Linux install and the installation will take care of creating the appropriate boot partition for grub or lilo without touching your Windows setup. HTH. I hope that's up to date with current procedures - I haven't had to do what you're attempting for a few years ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 2 16:56:23 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:56:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> I have the drives, I do not have the money to buy a set of caddies. Besides that woild not help where my wife is concerned because eventually I would forget to switch drives. I do need the file swapping ability also. Gavin Chester wrote: >On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:06 -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: > > >>To ensure marital harmony and bliss I am about to put together a dual >>boot machine using 2 hard drives. The plan is for one drive to be >>Windows XP and the other to be K12LTSP as a stand alone. When I fdisk >>the windows drive do I need to leave a small portion of the drive for >>Grub to be installed in? If I do need to leave some how big does the >>piece need to be? >> >>Thanks >>Pat >> >> >> > >This may not be the answer you're looking for, but FWIW I find great >service in putting each drive in a harddrive caddy. You don't specify >your drive type in your post, but these caddies have been available for >SCSI and IDE for some time, and are now available for SATA. Everything >is simplified to deciding which drive - Windows or Linux - to pop in at >the time of bootup to totally change the personality of the PC. This >assumes you go through a complete install of each system on each >drive. > >The only drawback of this is that you can't exchange files between >systems on each drive. If you need that then you do need to have both >drives active as master and slave (assuming IDE or SATA) at once. In >that case simply ensure you have Windows installed on your primary drive >and then start your Linux install and the installation will take care of >creating the appropriate boot partition for grub or lilo without >touching your Windows setup. HTH. > >I hope that's up to date with current procedures - I haven't had to do >what you're attempting for a few years ;-) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 2 18:04:40 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:04:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> I don't think you need to 'leave' any space for the boot loader; when a boot loader is installed it goes at the beginning of the disk independent of the partitioning and of the OS, IIRC. Most distros, Fedora/RH included, handle the config of the boot loader for you automatically. Note that you can also use the Windows boot loader to load Linux. You can find a bunch of documents about doing this on the web; google for, say, 'windows dual-boot'. Petre John P. Conlon wrote: > I have the drives, I do not have the money to buy a set of caddies. > Besides that woild not help where my wife is concerned because > eventually I would forget to switch drives. I do need the file swapping > ability also. > > Gavin Chester wrote: > >>On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:06 -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >>>To ensure marital harmony and bliss I am about to put together a dual >>>boot machine using 2 hard drives. The plan is for one drive to be >>>Windows XP and the other to be K12LTSP as a stand alone. When I fdisk >>>the windows drive do I need to leave a small portion of the drive for >>>Grub to be installed in? If I do need to leave some how big does the >>>piece need to be? >>> >>>Thanks >>>Pat >>> >>> >>> >> >>This may not be the answer you're looking for, but FWIW I find great >>service in putting each drive in a harddrive caddy. You don't specify >>your drive type in your post, but these caddies have been available for >>SCSI and IDE for some time, and are now available for SATA. Everything >>is simplified to deciding which drive - Windows or Linux - to pop in at >>the time of bootup to totally change the personality of the PC. This >>assumes you go through a complete install of each system on each >>drive. >> >>The only drawback of this is that you can't exchange files between >>systems on each drive. If you need that then you do need to have both >>drives active as master and slave (assuming IDE or SATA) at once. In >>that case simply ensure you have Windows installed on your primary drive >>and then start your Linux install and the installation will take care of >>creating the appropriate boot partition for grub or lilo without >>touching your Windows setup. HTH. >> >>I hope that's up to date with current procedures - I haven't had to do >>what you're attempting for a few years ;-) >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 2 18:10:12 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:10:12 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Palm_Syncin?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?g?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429F4B84.1020703@inlandlakes.org> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > there is a package called pilot-link. Right, but the problem is with syncing from a thin client. Maybe some magic involving installing pilot-link as a local app to get local access to the USB/serial port. Anyone done that? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 2 18:44:03 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:44:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory Message-ID: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost $1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly vendors and they are at least as much, or more. I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.com for $140, giving me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, though. Maybe I should articulate my goal: a dual-processor tower server that can run K12LTSP handily for 30 clients. (This will be the first install of K12LTSP in this district, so it needs to perform well.) Will be using IceWm, but also expect heavy OpenOffice and Firefox usage. The servers I find on eBay are usually rack-mount units, or sub-1GHz machines, so don't fill the bill. So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell or similar server? If not, where do you get a server as above for less than $2200? Any input is welcome! -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jeffnels at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 18:53:48 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:53:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Bill, On www.18004memory.com , a single 4GB module is just as expensive as 4GB from Dell, but you could get four 1-GB modules for half the price ($199 apiece). I've pasted the results of my search below... apologies if your email client doesn't like HTML. Jeff *System Memory * *Description* *OEM Part No.* *18004memory Part No.* *Price * *Web Price* *Order* *PC2-3200 - 240-Pins* 4GB ECC Module n/a A24072R/4GB/Q42 $1, 759.90 $1,599.00 *BUY* 2GB ECC Module n/a A24072R/2GB/Q32 $879.90 $799.00 *BUY* 1GB ECC Module n/a A24072R/1GB/Q32 $219.90 $199.00 *BUY* 512MB ECC Module n/a A24072R/512/Q32 $109.90 $99.00 *BUY* 256MB ECC Module n/a A24072U/256/Q32 $65.90 $59.00 *BUY* On 6/2/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > > I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at > the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is > expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost > $1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly > vendors and they are at least as much, or more. > > I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere > else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.comfor $140, giving > me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, > though. > > Maybe I should articulate my goal: a dual-processor tower server that > can run K12LTSP handily for 30 clients. (This will be the first install > of K12LTSP in this district, so it needs to perform well.) Will be > using IceWm, but also expect heavy OpenOffice and Firefox usage. The > servers I find on eBay are usually rack-mount units, or sub-1GHz > machines, so don't fill the bill. > > So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell or similar > server? If not, where do you get a server as above for less than $2200? > Any input is welcome! > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffnels at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 18:58:01 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:58:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I wouldn't substitute non-ECC. You want the additional stability. As for rack-mounted servers, I have two rack servers from ebay, but no rack--they're just on a tabletop, and it hasn't ever been any problem, aside from being a little bit ugly. Jeff On 6/2/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > > I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at > the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is > expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost > $1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly > vendors and they are at least as much, or more. > > I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere > else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.comfor $140, giving > me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, > though. > > Maybe I should articulate my goal: a dual-processor tower server that > can run K12LTSP handily for 30 clients. (This will be the first install > of K12LTSP in this district, so it needs to perform well.) Will be > using IceWm, but also expect heavy OpenOffice and Firefox usage. The > servers I find on eBay are usually rack-mount units, or sub-1GHz > machines, so don't fill the bill. > > So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell or similar > server? If not, where do you get a server as above for less than $2200? > Any input is welcome! > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Thu Jun 2 19:19:05 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Palm_Syncin?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?g?= In-Reply-To: <429F4B84.1020703@inlandlakes.org> References: <429F4B84.1020703@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > there is a package called pilot-link. > > Right, but the problem is with syncing from a thin client. Maybe some > magic involving installing pilot-link as a local app to get local access > to the USB/serial port. Anyone done that? have you tried K-pilot, I use that, but not at a thin client. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 2 19:19:20 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:19:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard drive which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to mess with windows loaders. Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't think you need to 'leave' any space for the boot loader; when > a boot loader is installed it goes at the beginning of the disk > independent of the partitioning and of the OS, IIRC. Most distros, > Fedora/RH included, handle the config of the boot loader for you > automatically. Note that you can also use the Windows boot loader to > load Linux. You can find a bunch of documents about doing this on the > web; google for, say, 'windows dual-boot'. > > Petre > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I have the drives, I do not have the money to buy a set of caddies. >> Besides that woild not help where my wife is concerned because >> eventually I would forget to switch drives. I do need the file >> swapping ability also. >> >> Gavin Chester wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:06 -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> To ensure marital harmony and bliss I am about to put together a >>>> dual boot machine using 2 hard drives. The plan is for one drive >>>> to be Windows XP and the other to be K12LTSP as a stand alone. >>>> When I fdisk the windows drive do I need to leave a small portion >>>> of the drive for Grub to be installed in? If I do need to leave >>>> some how big does the piece need to be? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> This may not be the answer you're looking for, but FWIW I find great >>> service in putting each drive in a harddrive caddy. You don't specify >>> your drive type in your post, but these caddies have been available for >>> SCSI and IDE for some time, and are now available for SATA. Everything >>> is simplified to deciding which drive - Windows or Linux - to pop in at >>> the time of bootup to totally change the personality of the PC. This >>> assumes you go through a complete install of each system on each >>> drive. >>> The only drawback of this is that you can't exchange files between >>> systems on each drive. If you need that then you do need to have both >>> drives active as master and slave (assuming IDE or SATA) at once. In >>> that case simply ensure you have Windows installed on your primary >>> drive >>> and then start your Linux install and the installation will take >>> care of >>> creating the appropriate boot partition for grub or lilo without >>> touching your Windows setup. HTH. >>> I hope that's up to date with current procedures - I haven't had to do >>> what you're attempting for a few years ;-) >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxgeek05 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:30:04 2005 From: linuxgeek05 at hotmail.com (John Spalding) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Message-ID: This fits in the FWIW category, but there was an article related to LTSP in the latest edition of eWeek. Might help with the basic setup for some folks out there http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1820861,00.asp Also, I am interested if anyone has played with distributed sound over their ltsp network. Any successes? I have had a lot of choppiness....not sure if it is just network speed or my setup. -John _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Thu Jun 2 19:43:46 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:43:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:19, John P. Conlon wrote: > My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard drive > which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to mess > with windows loaders. > My understanding (and I've done it a few times successfully), is that you load Windows first (letting it take the whole hard drive as is default). Then when you load Linux, the installer can figure out to setup the boot loader appropriately without any additional configuration necessary on your part. Considering the situation, you probably DO want to change it so that Windows is the default OS. Good luck. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 21:17:49 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:17:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome desktop problem Message-ID: <69b790a8050602141762a19976@mail.gmail.com> Not sure if this is the right area. A few months ago, I had a problem with a window behaviour. Someone here suggested a solution that worked. The problem is, when you click on a window to move it, it acts like the first click did nothing but bring the window to focus, you then have to click the window a second time to get it to work. Clicking on the icon in the upper left that brings open the 'window resize' menu fixes the problem. The permanant fix is to go into a file and make a change to a line. I don't remember the file, or what needs to be fixed. Anybody remember the problem and the fix? thanks roger From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 22:41:10 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050602224110.35602.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first > booting hard drive > which will be where windows will be at. I don't > really want to mess > with windows loaders. > John, Here's a link to an article in Linux Journal about Grub. The article includes a walk-through on creating a Grub boot floppy to use when you want to boot up in Linux (and then leave the floppy out to boot into Windows). http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue85/4622.html I'd especially recommend checking out the article's comment section for a comment called "linux boots from floppy but not hard drive" posted on 5/11/2005. The comment's author lists a copy of his grub menu that he used to boot into FC3 when the floppy was in the drive. HTH, David Whitmer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jun 2 23:19:31 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:19:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <429F9403.40007@comcast.net> Not necessarily advocating them, but check out asacomputers.com. You can get very close to your $2200.00 limit with dual cpus (in either xeons or opterons), 4GB memory, dual nics for some of the configurations. However, I don't know how you would get hardware RAID and still keep the price below $2200.00, but ... who knows. I know that some on the list have custom built systems as well for around this price. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Bill Bardon wrote: >I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at >the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is >expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost >$1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly >vendors and they are at least as much, or more. > >I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere >else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.com for $140, giving >me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, >though. > >Maybe I should articulate my goal: a dual-processor tower server that >can run K12LTSP handily for 30 clients. (This will be the first install >of K12LTSP in this district, so it needs to perform well.) Will be >using IceWm, but also expect heavy OpenOffice and Firefox usage. The >servers I find on eBay are usually rack-mount units, or sub-1GHz >machines, so don't fill the bill. > >So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell or similar >server? If not, where do you get a server as above for less than $2200? >Any input is welcome! > > > > From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 2 23:55:21 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:55:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050602185521.6669aabb@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Jun 02 Jeff Nelson wrote: > As for rack-mounted servers, I have two rack servers from ebay, but no > rack--they're just on a tabletop, and it hasn't ever been any problem, > aside from being a little bit ugly. I've read that rack-mounts are too noisy for a classroom - yes or no? -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 2 23:56:25 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:56:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050602185625.7101d48e@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Jun 02 Jeff Nelson wrote: > On www.18004memory.com , a single 4GB > module is just as expensive as 4GB from Dell, but you could get four > 1-GB modules for half the price ($199 apiece). Jeff, thanks for the links! Definitely in my bookmarks now. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From bill at computassist.com Fri Jun 3 00:05:09 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:05:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <429F9403.40007@comcast.net> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <429F9403.40007@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050602190509.159c079c@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Jun 02 Dave Hopkins wrote: > Not necessarily advocating them, but check out asacomputers.com. You > can get very close to your $2200.00 limit with dual cpus (in either > xeons or opterons), 4GB memory, dual nics for some of the > configurations. However, I don't know how you would get hardware RAID > and still keep the price below $2200.00, but ... who knows. I know > that some on the list have custom built systems as well for around > this price. I wouldn't mind going with software RAID, I have several servers running that way and all are good performers. Have you ordered from asacomputers.com? I did some checking and couldn't find a system that matched those specs - got a link? Thanks for the input. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 3 00:55:43 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:55:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Boards (was Saving money on memory ) Message-ID: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> We too are looking to buy / build a server. I looked at the dells and they are out of our price range of 3000 or under. Just starting my research and I found the following thread on the fedora list. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-March/msg03459.html It sure would be nice to find a reliable source of linux specific server board reviews. John From: Dave Hopkins * To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory * Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:19:31 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ Not necessarily advocating them, but check out asacomputers.com. You can get very close to your $2200.00 limit with dual cpus (in either xeons or opterons), 4GB memory, dual nics for some of the configurations. However, I don't know how you would get hardware RAID and still keep the price below $2200.00, but ... who knows. I know that some on the list have custom built systems as well for around this price. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Bill Bardon wrote: I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost $1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly vendors and they are at least as much, or more. I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.com for $140, giving me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, though. Maybe I should articulate my goal: a dual-processor tower server that can run K12LTSP handily for 30 clients. (This will be the first install of K12LTSP in this district, so it needs to perform well.) Will be using IceWm, but also expect heavy OpenOffice and Firefox usage. The servers I find on eBay are usually rack-mount units, or sub-1GHz machines, so don't fill the bill. So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell or similar server? If not, where do you get a server as above for less than $2200? Any input is welcome! From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 00:58:11 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:58:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Boards (was Saving money on memory ) In-Reply-To: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/2/05, John Baillie wrote: > It sure would be nice to find a reliable source of linux specific server > board reviews. http://linuxhardware.org/ Not totally server stuff but still good. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Jun 3 01:38:29 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:38:29 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1117762709.4519.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:43 -0400, Jon White wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:19, John P. Conlon wrote: > > My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard > drive > > which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to > mess > > with windows loaders. > > > > My understanding (and I've done it a few times successfully), is that > you load Windows first (letting it take the whole hard drive as is > default). > > Then when you load Linux, the installer can figure out to setup the > boot > loader appropriately without any additional configuration necessary on > your part. Hmm, just like I said in the first reply posted to the list on this thread. Maybe I just say too much and people stop reading before the end of my posts - even the poster of the original question. But then again, I think incr...zzzz ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Jun 3 02:14:00 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:14:00 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <429FBCE8.20608@rogers.com> Bill Bardon wrote: > I am in the process of spec'ing a K12LTSP server. Currently looking at > the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Getting enough RAM in this thing is > expensive! If I get it from Dell, 4GB of ECC memory will cost me almost > $1500, more than the server itself! I've tried other penguin-friendly > vendors and they are at least as much, or more. > > I assume I can't substitute non-ECC memory and order it from somewhere > else. I've seen 1GB non-ECC DIMMs at memory4less.com for $140, giving > me a total of just $560 for RAM. I don't think using non-ECC will work, > though. It really depend on the processor/board. As I have seen it a basic rule of thumb might be that server boards/cpus require ECC Registered ram. That is based on the sumtotal of two boards (one dual ASUS board with Xeon cpu and one Tyan dual Opteron based board) so it is hardly gospel. If you put anything other than ECC registered ram in the board (and I did) they will just beep at you. AMD and Tyan are both very good Linux/Open Source sponsors and well worth considering. For the price you are quoting it will be tight. I went to http://www.shoprbc.com (currently my favourite online Canadian retailer) and priced out a dual opteron. These prices are *Canadian* but total 2,600 USD): 4 GB Kingston ValueRam (4x1GB) PC2100 ECC DDR Memory $1164.00 2 Maxtor Atlas 10KV 73.5GB U320 SCSI Hard Drive, 68-Pin $830.00 AMD Opteron DP Server Model 242 Processor, Retail $506.00 Tyan Thunder Dual Opteron MB w/Video/2GBLan/SATA/RAID/SCSI $741.00 Add on a case and it is a very capable machine but it still blows your budget. Dropping back to a single CPU would save some money as would SATA drives. Good luck Tim From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 3 02:48:51 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server Boards (was Saving money on memory ) In-Reply-To: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <41890.70.58.177.108.1117766931.squirrel@70.58.177.108> John Baillie said: > We too are looking to buy / build a server. I looked at the dells and > they are out of our price range of 3000 or under. I am shopping for a server right now as well, and I have one spec'd out at www.penguincomputing.com for $3500. I have a _ton_ of RAM in it (enough for 50 clients) at that price. Depending on your needs you can likely get something there for under $3000. I have a lot of Penguin servers and they have all be rockstars. Something to look at if you have not already. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 3 08:05:11 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:05:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Opteron Server Build < 2500.00 Message-ID: <1117785911.7437.22.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> I've got to do a little more research on the board, I'm not too sure about the on-board scsi but it is looking good so far. http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp? ID=1528628&WishListTitle=SERVER0506%5F4 From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 11:04:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tftp: client does not accept options Message-ID: <20050603110413.33201.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On a fresh install, I'm getting the following error in /var/log/messages after an unsuccessful attempt to boot a client. in.tftpd[4734]: tftp: client does not accept options I'm using the universal boot floppy. The nic seems to be recognized and the boot process gets as far as looking for the DHCP server. Then I get a succession of dots--about 1 every 30-60 seconds. Any ideas? PXE booting works fine on this machine. -Rob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jun 3 11:04:21 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:04:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602190509.159c079c@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <429F9403.40007@comcast.net> <20050602190509.159c079c@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42A03935.5060105@comcast.net> Bill Bardon wrote: >On Thursday, Jun 02 Dave Hopkins wrote: > > >>Not necessarily advocating them, but check out asacomputers.com. You >>can get very close to your $2200.00 limit with dual cpus (in either >>xeons or opterons), 4GB memory, dual nics for some of the >>configurations. However, I don't know how you would get hardware RAID >>and still keep the price below $2200.00, but ... who knows. I know >>that some on the list have custom built systems as well for around >>this price. >> >> > >I wouldn't mind going with software RAID, I have several servers running >that way and all are good performers. > >Have you ordered from asacomputers.com? I did some checking and >couldn't find a system that matched those specs - got a link? Thanks >for the input. > > > > I actually just ordered a customized Opteron Tb storage server (for backups) a couple of days ago, but couldn't find anything (good or bad) about them, so ... hoping that their service is as good as their customer service rep was :) Anyhow, start at http://www.asaservers.com/system_dept.asp?dept_id=SD-051, pick Supermicro 7044H-T 4U DDR SATA EM64T, comes in at $2227.50 + shipping w/ Dual Intel Xeon 2.8GHz 800FSB S604 CPU 4Gb DDR PC2700 ECC REG LP Memory 2 SATA 40Gb 7200 RPM SATA 150 drives CDRW 48x12x48 Pre-install Linux (Fedora Core 3) Basic warranty (3Yr labor/1 yr parts) Dual on-board 10/1000 Nics. Or start with: http://www.asaservers.com/system_dept.asp?dept_id=SD-056 Pick 1U DP Opteron 4 SATA DDR Server, end up with $2036.26 + shipping w/ Dual AMD Opteron 242 1Mb CPU 4Gb DDR PC2700 2 SATA 40Gb 7200 RPM drives Dual on-board 10/1000 Nics. I am not sure that SATA will have the performance you are after (especially in software raid) if you are putting the home directories on this system. (I have a personal preference for SCSI). Also, you really want 1Gb Network connections for the server with the clients at 100Mb connections. Otherwise, with a reasonable load the system will feel sluggish. If you have another server that hosts the home directories (and NFS/SMB mount them), then I think the SATA wouldn't be an issue for either system. (The first has plenty of expansion, the second is more limited). As Timothy points out in a separate response, if you are willing to order each piece separately, you might get even better. For his specs, use the other memory supplier, and drop the SCSI Drives to 18Gb or 36Gb, you can probably get back to your price range. Sorry for the length. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 3 13:10:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <003001c5683d$a3494930$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > So it boils down to this - can I use cheap memory in a Dell > or similar server? If not, where do you get a server as above > for less than $2200? > Any input is welcome! I do just about all of my memory shopping at www.crucial.com. The price there is usually very competitive, but not some fly by night internet shop. I have never had trouble with their product. And the best part about the site is if you don't know what your machine will handle you can use their drop down menus to select your exact machine, when finished it will list exactly what RAM modules will work in your machine, how many banks and how many slots the server has along with max memory it can handle. I use them all of the time just to see what a machine takes for RAM when servicing it. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 3 13:13:30 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:13:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42A0577A.4020405@maltzen.net> The advantage of tweaking the Windows boot loader to provide the boot menu is that it leaves the Windows boot loader in place, whereas installing grub replaces it. If the additional line you've added to the boot.ini doesn't work, it doesn't really affect the Windows boot. Overwriting the Windows boot loader with grub strikes me as more 'radical', although in practice, either route is quite safe any more. I wrote myself a note about using the Windows boot loader at http://petre.homedns.org/unix/dualboot_via_win.html that might be helpful. Petre Jon White wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:19, John P. Conlon wrote: > >>My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard drive >>which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to mess >>with windows loaders. >> > > > My understanding (and I've done it a few times successfully), is that > you load Windows first (letting it take the whole hard drive as is > default). > > Then when you load Linux, the installer can figure out to setup the boot > loader appropriately without any additional configuration necessary on > your part. > > Considering the situation, you probably DO want to change it so that > Windows is the default OS. > > Good luck. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 3 13:31:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:31:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] PHP-LTSP In-Reply-To: <200506030927.01467.AlberT@superalbert.it> Message-ID: <006501c56840$8d207f40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi .. it could be a nice prjct .. I can help you if you need, > I'm a quite > skilled PHP coder :-) but.. the reason of this mail is: what > about security? > I mean that you will have to be root in order to manipulate > ltsp files, > restart services and so on .. so the security issues should > be considered as > the first step, just before coding the project .. what are > your ideas and > plans about ? On the topic of security here is something to consider. One thing I see on the k12osn list a lot is tech staff wanting the ability to let teachers or other staff use TeacherTool, but don't want to give them a root password. Maybe a PHP front end could help around this. Could you setup your .php files with .htaccess or something and be able to delegate authority for running the php files to other staff? But still have the commands in the backend run as root? Maybe even a future front end for managing a MySQL backend or text file with selective user access and priveleges. Say the ability to view terminals and to kill tasks, but not to reboot terminals. It sounds like a PHP front end could help get around the security issues associated with TeacherTool and allow delegation. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sergio at turbocorp.com Fri Jun 3 14:09:14 2005 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Palm Syncing In-Reply-To: <429F28DF.4080203@inlandlakes.org> References: <429F28DF.4080203@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200506031009.14814.sergio@turbocorp.com> Not an elegant approach but, here is what we did here at work: Built a Win2k box ( sorry :o( )with all the Palm user accounts in it. We made sure that all Palm equipment used the same charge/sync base. Created a "sync area" where one single base was placed at and users would place their Palm. We create rdesktop sessions from the thin clients to the win2k box that deploy the palm sync software automatically after the users had logged on. ....and they al sync happilly ever after :o) On Thursday 02 June 2005 11:42 am, Shawn Powers wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas on how to address the "palm syncing" issue? > I have a lot of teachers (and administrators) that want to sync their > palm pilots with something. Another problem with it is that they mostly > want to sync "Documents to Go" > > Any ideas? > > I was thinking that perhaps the newest version of Doc2go has support for > documents copied to/from an SDCARD to be directly edited (like with a > usb card reader, which DOES work on a thin client). But that doesn't > solve the calender/application install problem. > > Anyway, any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated by lil' ol' me. > > -Shawn -- All great change in America begins at the dinner table. Ronald Reagan -- Sergio Chaves Edi and IT Support Turbo Logistics, Inc. (Office) 770-532-2239 (Fax) 770-531-7878 sergio at turbocorp.com www.turbocorp.com This transmission (including attachments) may be: (1) subject to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3) strictly confidential to Turbo Logistics, Inc. If you are not the intended recipient of this message (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, retain, disclose, print, copy or disseminate to anyone this information. If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender (only) by reply email, and destroy all copies of the message (including any attachments). Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 3 14:14:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:14:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT Music....HELP! We need a song from a Music curriculum CD Message-ID: Normally I'd never ask for music swapping, but we're desperate and we own the CD (which is cracked). What it is....The CD is Share the Music (Grade 4) Disc 2.....the song is #1 "Four White Horses". Can any of you check and see if your music dept has this CD (they often will have the whole set)....and if so...could you rip and send me (or post for me to download) that one song? We have a concert for the younger kids coming up and this CD is cracked thus we can't use the song. I thank you profusely for even trying if you do. Let me know off-list if you have it and can help me. We need it ASAP (today...even this a.m.). Thanks! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Jun 3 14:17:50 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:17:50 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Dual=20boot=20using?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20separate=20hard=20drives?= Message-ID: I might as well add my two cents. I have done just that on several machines, install GRUB on the first (windows xp) disk and Linux on the second disk. No problem but... this doesnt work if the first drive is a SATA and the second an ATA, never found out why. I only got this working on two ATA drives. Yes i have used the windows bootloader before and it works also. No i did'nt create a boot partition on the first drive, on linux installation i just told Grub to install on the MBR, thats it. Cheers. >>> petre at maltzen.net 2005-06-03 09:13:30 >>> The advantage of tweaking the Windows boot loader to provide the boot menu is that it leaves the Windows boot loader in place, whereas installing grub replaces it. If the additional line you've added to the boot.ini doesn't work, it doesn't really affect the Windows boot. Overwriting the Windows boot loader with grub strikes me as more 'radical', although in practice, either route is quite safe any more. I wrote myself a note about using the Windows boot loader at http://petre.homedns.org/unix/dualboot_via_win.html that might be helpful. Petre Jon White wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:19, John P. Conlon wrote: > >>My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard drive >>which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to mess >>with windows loaders. >> > > > My understanding (and I've done it a few times successfully), is that > you load Windows first (letting it take the whole hard drive as is > default). > > Then when you load Linux, the installer can figure out to setup the boot > loader appropriately without any additional configuration necessary on > your part. > > Considering the situation, you probably DO want to change it so that > Windows is the default OS. > > Good luck. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at computassist.com Fri Jun 3 15:03:52 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:03:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <003001c5683d$a3494930$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <003001c5683d$a3494930$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050603100352.43df880a@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Jun 03 Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I do just about all of my memory shopping at www.crucial.com. The > price there is usually very competitive, but not some fly by night > internet shop. I have never had trouble with their product. And the > best part about the site is if you don't know what your machine will > handle you can use their drop down menus to select your exact machine, > when finished it will list exactly what RAM modules will work in your > machine, how many banks and how many slots the server has along with > max memory it can handle. I use them all of the time just to see what > a machine takes for RAM when servicing it. Jim, that's a great idea! Bookmarked, and thanks. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From bill at computassist.com Fri Jun 3 15:09:51 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:09:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <42A03935.5060105@comcast.net> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <429F9403.40007@comcast.net> <20050602190509.159c079c@localhost.localdomain> <42A03935.5060105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050603100951.490b3342@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Jun 03 Dave Hopkins wrote: > I actually just ordered a customized Opteron Tb storage server (for > backups) a couple of days ago, but couldn't find anything (good or > bad) about them, so ... hoping that their service is as good as their > customer service rep was :) Thanks for the details, Dave. Unfortunately, both the systems you listed lack SCSI. I'm a believer in SCSI for servers. No matter how I configure their product line, I can't get a dual proc, SCSI-based server with sufficient RAM at my price point. The only reason I'm looking at a new machine is because I can't find the right box on eBay, or rather, haven't yet. I think a little patience may be rewarded eventually, and I'll find something used that will fit my budget. Hopefully all these ideas will prove useful to others looking for a good K12LTSP server value. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From bill at computassist.com Fri Jun 3 15:14:30 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:14:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <429FBCE8.20608@rogers.com> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <429FBCE8.20608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050603101430.0d8752fe@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Jun 02 Timothy Legge wrote: > AMD and Tyan are both very good Linux/Open Source sponsors and well > worth considering. For the price you are quoting it will be tight. I > went to http://www.shoprbc.com (currently my favourite online Canadian > retailer) and priced out a dual opteron. These prices are *Canadian* > but total 2,600 USD): > > 4 GB Kingston ValueRam (4x1GB) PC2100 ECC DDR Memory $1164.00 > 2 Maxtor Atlas 10KV 73.5GB U320 SCSI Hard Drive, 68-Pin $830.00 > AMD Opteron DP Server Model 242 Processor, Retail $506.00 > Tyan Thunder Dual Opteron MB w/Video/2GBLan/SATA/RAID/SCSI $741.00 > > Add on a case and it is a very capable machine but it still blows your > budget. Dropping back to a single CPU would save some money as would > SATA drives. > > Good luck Thanks for the data, Tim. Dropping back is something I don't want to have to do. I'm very (overly?) concerned that this system performs well, as it will be the district's first exposure to K12LTSP, and I want them to say "WOW!", not "I knew it's wasn't as good as Windows!" I'm pretty sure I will have to go with a used box, but all this input is helping steer me toward the right solution. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 3 15:41:46 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:41:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help Message-ID: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> I am trying to us yum to download and install updates for samba, and smbldap-tools. I might be using incorrectly, this is what I enter in the prompt: # yum update Then I get this message: You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key For more information.... I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the proper use of yum, for updates. Thank you for your help --mark From dalen at czexan.net Fri Jun 3 15:51:32 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:51:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help In-Reply-To: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42A07C84.6030003@czexan.net> Mark Sarria wrote: > I am trying to us yum to download and install updates for samba, and > smbldap-tools. I might be using incorrectly, this is what I enter in the > prompt: > # yum update > > Then I get this message: > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that > by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information.... > > I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the > proper use of yum, for updates. > > Thank you for your help Mark, The GPG keys are on your system. This is what I do to import them on a new system. From a terminal, run the following. updatedb rpm --import `locate GPG` Updatedb updates the locate database which is a database of files on your system. `locate GPG` lists all the GPG keys and the backticks feed this list to rpm --import You could also just import the keys needed for updates, but I find this more conveinent. Thanks, Dale From jim at rossberry.com Fri Jun 3 15:56:29 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help In-Reply-To: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Mark Sarria wrote: > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that > by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information.... > > I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the > proper use of yum, for updates. > Your use is fine, you just need to do one thing first. (Load the gpg key) It is probably in /usr/share/doc//RPM-GPG-KEY or somewhere similar locate RPM-GPG may find it Once you have it rpm --import and redo your yum command. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Jun 3 15:56:39 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:56:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help In-Reply-To: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1117814200.22113.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> You need to import the GPG keys for the various repositories. If you're just using the standard repos, then issue the following command: locate GPG most likely the GPG keys should be in /usr/share/rhn/ (for a fedora installation). Then you simply issue the command that the message suggested... rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora Obviously, if you're using a different distro things might work differently...but I'm assuming you're using Fedora. Anyway, after you've done that try issuing the yum update command again. Let me know if you have trouble with the above. -Calvin On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 08:41 -0700, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am trying to us yum to download and install updates for samba, and > smbldap-tools. I might be using incorrectly, this is what I enter in the > prompt: > # yum update > > Then I get this message: > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that > by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information.... > > I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the > proper use of yum, for updates. > > Thank you for your help > > --mark > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Jun 3 16:30:35 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:30:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] term 150e Message-ID: <42A085AB.40204@msln.net> I have some term 150e machines that just plugin to the k12ltsp and work. Now the hitch. I had some issues with RAID drivers on a new dell 2850, so I loaded centos4. I downloaded and installed the LTSP package and did all the configuration. The problem is that on the stock install of the k12ltsp, the terminals "just work", is there a kernel specific to these terminals that I need from the other servers I have? I tried a few of the ones in the tftp/lts/ directory of the ltsp install on centos4 and the terminal will say it is loading and never does. I've tailed the message file and all it showed is that a dhcp requested and given ip for the mac. Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Jun 3 16:36:48 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:36:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help In-Reply-To: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200506031541.j53FfhtE000645@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42A08720.1030306@msln.net> A way to cheat is use the up2date gui in the upper right corner. It will install it for you. Mark Mark Sarria wrote: >I am trying to us yum to download and install updates for samba, and >smbldap-tools. I might be using incorrectly, this is what I enter in the >prompt: ># yum update > >Then I get this message: >You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. >However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download >the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that >by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key >For more information.... > >I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the >proper use of yum, for updates. > >Thank you for your help > >--mark > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 3 18:31:03 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:31:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual boot using separate hard drives In-Reply-To: <1117762709.4519.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <429F2E84.9060607@elp.rr.com> <1117730252.4519.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429F3A37.1030605@elp.rr.com> <429F4A38.3030506@maltzen.net> <429F5BB8.5080903@elp.rr.com> <1117741426.3671.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117762709.4519.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42A0A1E7.1020005@elp.rr.com> I read it completely. It turned out that my confusion was being aided and abetted by a drive with a damaged sector. I traded it out and the problems went away. Gavin Chester wrote: >On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:43 -0400, Jon White wrote: > > >>On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:19, John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >>>My concern is that I need Grub on the C: or first booting hard >>> >>> >>drive >> >> >>>which will be where windows will be at. I don't really want to >>> >>> >>mess >> >> >>>with windows loaders. >>> >>> >>> >>My understanding (and I've done it a few times successfully), is that >>you load Windows first (letting it take the whole hard drive as is >>default). >> >>Then when you load Linux, the installer can figure out to setup the >>boot >>loader appropriately without any additional configuration necessary on >>your part. >> >> > >Hmm, just like I said in the first reply posted to the list on this >thread. Maybe I just say too much and people stop reading before the >end of my posts - even the poster of the original question. But then >again, I think incr...zzzz ;-) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 3 18:33:28 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:33:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Boards (was Saving money on memory ) In-Reply-To: <41890.70.58.177.108.1117766931.squirrel@70.58.177.108> References: <1117760143.7437.11.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <41890.70.58.177.108.1117766931.squirrel@70.58.177.108> Message-ID: <42A0A278.60500@elp.rr.com> I don't recall the address but PC warehouse had servers for as little as $800 last time I looked. These were machines with 2 or 3 gig of RAM and gig plus dual processors. Quentin Hartman wrote: >John Baillie said: > > >>We too are looking to buy / build a server. I looked at the dells and >>they are out of our price range of 3000 or under. >> >> > >I am shopping for a server right now as well, and I have one spec'd out at >www.penguincomputing.com for $3500. I have a _ton_ of RAM in it (enough >for 50 clients) at that price. Depending on your needs you can likely get >something there for under $3000. I have a lot of Penguin servers and they >have all be rockstars. Something to look at if you have not already. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 3 18:43:09 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:43:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506031843.j53Ih6gA014812@mx1.redhat.com> If I just want to update one package say CUPS, can I use this syntax # yum update cups --mark -----Original Message----- From: Jim Wildman [mailto:jim at rossberry.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:56 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using Yum - Help On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Mark Sarria wrote: > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that > by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information.... > > I am I missing something, or better yet ,can someone educate me on the > proper use of yum, for updates. > Your use is fine, you just need to do one thing first. (Load the gpg key) It is probably in /usr/share/doc//RPM-GPG-KEY or somewhere similar locate RPM-GPG may find it Once you have it rpm --import and redo your yum command. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 3 19:29:17 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:29:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP Message-ID: <42A0AF8D.9000206@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Poking around the Novell site I saw this link ... http://www.novell.com/industries/education/k12.html?sourceidint=hp_a3_novelllumen http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/product/102156.html http://www.novell.com/collateral/4680888/4680888.pdf http://www.lumensoftware.com/applications/website/outsideView.php?outVOU=1&pg=/web_disk/1-7/NewWebFiles/Home1.html?outVOU=7&height=&menuid=2983 So is this part of the Novell/LTSP future cooperation we heard about a good while back? Has anyone tried this stuff from Lumen? Joe Guenther From Linux_Man at comcast.net Fri Jun 3 19:48:17 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:48:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <003001c5683d$a3494930$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003001c5683d$a3494930$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42A0B401.4050809@comcast.net> Am I the only one that's noticed that Newegg's ECC Prices have plummeted recently? I mean, you can get a 1GB Corsair ECC PC2700 module for $133 shipped! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145308 Corsair PC3200 for $144 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145310 From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Jun 3 19:53:25 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:53:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Message-ID: <42A0B535.8020507@sierra-computer.com> I installed TeacherTool from yum. All I get is Illegal instruction. What are the requirements for TeacherTool? Steve From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jun 3 19:57:46 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:57:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Message-ID: <200506032209.j53M9ex19619@downeast.net> just needs python..far as i know..chuck > I installed TeacherTool from yum. All I get is Illegal instruction. What > are the requirements for TeacherTool? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 20:16:04 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:16:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <42A0AF8D.9000206@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42A0AF8D.9000206@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: This is fantastic. It really is a convincing development for legitimizing k12ltsp in the eyes of districts who are heavily into Novell and already have a business relationship with them. Thanks for the links. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Jun 3 20:09:23 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:09:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <200506032209.j53M9ex19619@downeast.net> References: <200506032209.j53M9ex19619@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42A0B8F3.70908@sierra-computer.com> I have both Python2 and tkinter is installed. I opened up the TeacherTool file in a text editor and it said that Python and tkinter libs were required. steve cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >just needs python..far as i know..chuck > > > >>I installed TeacherTool from yum. All I get is Illegal instruction. What >>are the requirements for TeacherTool? >> >>Steve >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 20:20:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:20:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <200506032209.j53M9ex19619@downeast.net> References: <200506032209.j53M9ex19619@downeast.net> Message-ID: On 6/3/05, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > just needs python..far as i know..chuck Also Tcl Tk libs for the gui I think. But yum should handle all that. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 3 20:36:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:36:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008301c5687b$f2517d20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Also Tcl Tk libs for the gui I think. But yum should handle all that. >From what I know with k12ltsp 4.2 a "yum install teachertool" should just work....right? Are you using an older version of k12? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jjcausey at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 20:33:03 2005 From: jjcausey at gmail.com (Jesse Causey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:33:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL4 Message-ID: <93e818610506031333e5d8d93@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any luck using the script with RHEL4. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jun 3 21:32:48 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <42A0AF8D.9000206@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42A0AF8D.9000206@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Joe Guenther wrote: > Poking around the Novell site I saw this link ... > > http://www.novell.com/industries/education/k12.html?sourceidint=hp_a3_novelllumen > > http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/product/102156.html > http://www.novell.com/collateral/4680888/4680888.pdf > > http://www.lumensoftware.com/applications/website/outsideView.php?outVOU=1&pg=/web_disk/1-7/NewWebFiles/Home1.html?outVOU=7&height=&menuid=2983 > > So is this part of the Novell/LTSP future cooperation we heard about a good > while back? No, that 'future cooperation' kind of fizzled out. > Has anyone tried this stuff from Lumen? The Lumen guys are doing wonderful things. pop into the #ltsp irc channel, and chat with bill_c or rjune if you have any questions about what Lumensoft is doing. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Joe Guenther > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Jun 3 21:35:02 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:35:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <008301c5687b$f2517d20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008301c5687b$f2517d20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42A0CD06.8080406@sierra-computer.com> This is a test server. Just installed k12ltsp 4.2.1 Steve Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Also Tcl Tk libs for the gui I think. But yum should handle all that. >> >> > >>From what I know with k12ltsp 4.2 a "yum install teachertool" should >just work....right? Are you using an older version of k12? > > > > From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Fri Jun 3 22:41:43 2005 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:41:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? Message-ID: Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using squid and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things about dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using this? We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our weather stations, webservers, etc. Thoughts? Comments? Jamie McParland Newberg Public Schools. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 3 23:34:21 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:34:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I use IPcop and DansGuardian. It works very well for us. I use it in 3 schools, there are a few others in our division that also use it. I tried it with SquidGuard, but prefer the Cop+ (DansGuardian) better. It uses a bit more horsepower, but does a better job. I run it on a PIII600/256MB RAM and serve a school of 350 students with about 1Gb of data/day. With 128Mb it would run for a few weeks and then start using lots of swap. With 256 it just runs and runs. I had also tried SME server with squid/squidGuard but never got that to work properly. We also tried OpenBsd with privoxy and that would crash under heavy load. squid/DansGuardian works much better. my 2 bits worth Joe Guenther Jamie McParland wrote: >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using squid >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. > >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things about >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using this? > >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our >weather stations, webservers, etc. > >Thoughts? Comments? > >Jamie McParland >Newberg Public Schools. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >!DSPAM:42a0dcb393538832210326! > > > > From haysja at sages.us Sat Jun 4 00:38:15 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:38:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <1117845495.42a0f7f74c6f7@sages.us> I echo Joe's sentiments. There are several schools here in Illinois that are using IPCop with Cop+ (Dan's Guardian). It works well and is easy to manage. I use it in 5 schools in our district. We used to use SME with squidguard and it worked well for us, but IPCop is much better. Quoting Joe Guenther : > I use IPcop and DansGuardian. It works very well for us. I use it in 3 > schools, there are a few others in our division that also use it. I > tried it with SquidGuard, but prefer the Cop+ (DansGuardian) better. It > uses a bit more horsepower, but does a better job. I run it on a > PIII600/256MB RAM and serve a school of 350 students with about 1Gb of > data/day. With 128Mb it would run for a few weeks and then start using > lots of swap. With 256 it just runs and runs. > > I had also tried SME server with squid/squidGuard but never got that to > work properly. > We also tried OpenBsd with privoxy and that would crash under heavy > load. squid/DansGuardian works much better. > > my 2 bits worth > Joe Guenther > > Jamie McParland wrote: > > >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using squid > >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. > > > >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things about > >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using > this? > > > >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our > >weather stations, webservers, etc. > > > >Thoughts? Comments? > > > >Jamie McParland > >Newberg Public Schools. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > >!DSPAM:42a0dcb393538832210326! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 4 03:43:57 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:43:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? References: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <1117845495.42a0f7f74c6f7@sages.us> Message-ID: <002f01c568b7$a3b291e0$6401a8c0@digital1> I check the site out for IPCop, and it really does not say what it is. I see you are using it with Dan's Guardian, but DG is a web filter, so what does IPCop do? --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hays" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? > > I echo Joe's sentiments. There are several schools here in Illinois that > are > using IPCop with Cop+ (Dan's Guardian). It works well and is easy to > manage. I > use it in 5 schools in our district. > > We used to use SME with squidguard and it worked well for us, but IPCop is > much > better. > > > Quoting Joe Guenther : > >> I use IPcop and DansGuardian. It works very well for us. I use it in 3 >> schools, there are a few others in our division that also use it. I >> tried it with SquidGuard, but prefer the Cop+ (DansGuardian) better. It >> uses a bit more horsepower, but does a better job. I run it on a >> PIII600/256MB RAM and serve a school of 350 students with about 1Gb of >> data/day. With 128Mb it would run for a few weeks and then start using >> lots of swap. With 256 it just runs and runs. >> >> I had also tried SME server with squid/squidGuard but never got that to >> work properly. >> We also tried OpenBsd with privoxy and that would crash under heavy >> load. squid/DansGuardian works much better. >> >> my 2 bits worth >> Joe Guenther >> >> Jamie McParland wrote: >> >> >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using >> >squid >> >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. >> > >> >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things >> >about >> >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using >> this? >> > >> >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our >> >weather stations, webservers, etc. >> > >> >Thoughts? Comments? >> > >> >Jamie McParland >> >Newberg Public Schools. >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> > >> >!DSPAM:42a0dcb393538832210326! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jim Hays > Technology Director > Monticello CUSD#25 > Monticello, IL 61856 > ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sat Jun 4 04:12:43 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:12:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12EdCom.org Announcement Message-ID: <42A12A3B.2000907@riverdale.k12.or.us> Hello Folks, For those of you who will only look at the first line... http://k12edcom.org ;-) For some time on the K12OSN list members have been talking about the need for a second listserv that was more focused on using free and open content software/curriculum. We have created a new list that we hope will meet your needs. Read on... The original K12OSN list is a great list for technical discussions about hardware and software configuration and we expect it to continue as a valuable resource for users of open source software in schools. The truth is that Linux works very well in schools and we now have a large number of non-technical education folk who are using it every day to teach. So, we created a new list for USERS of open source software in schools, but we're going one step farther. Read on... There is a growing movement around the world to make information and educational materials freely available on the Internet. A quick search of the term "opencourseware" on google.com turns up a bunch of links that look promising but they are all directed at college/university level learners. http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html http://ocw.usu.edu http://cnx.rice.edu One other interesting project is http://en.wikibooks.org - in fact, there are several interesting wiki projects. http://ibiblio.org/ is another great example of freely available information. Our goal is to develop an educational commons of curriculum and learning resources that is freely available, published under the Creative Commons license. We're calling it K12EdCom.org. The web site is up and running (barely...) at http://k12edcom.org. You can join the k12edcom list and I expect/hope that it will become a place where users of free software and free curriculum can share their ideas and get help and encouragement. We decided to host the web site using Drupal (http://drupal.org) so that we could let it evolve into other areas including publishing and linking to educational materials. There are also forums and blogging tools available to registered users. Registering on the web site is not the same as joining the listserv. You will find a link to the listerv and archives on the site though. There are two roles for registered site users: simple users and authors. I hope to attract educators interested in authoring curriculum, articles, blogs and stories on the web site. If you are interested in being an author, sign up on http://k12edcom.org and send me an email and I'll promote you right away. I have a long list of articles that need writing and it would be great to generate content for the site right away. One of the first stories we need to do is something on all the other similar projects out there. We also need to build up the links section. I'll be working on that this weekend. This is just a first step towards what I think we can become. There are a lot of ways to spend your time. Creating learning materials for kids all over the world is good one. I want to offer a special invitation to all you teachers out there with your favorite units of instruction, carefully developed over the years. Here's your chance to publish your work in a supportive community and watch it grow. I hope you'll join us and participate. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Jun 4 05:11:08 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:11:08 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy Message-ID: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi all, Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and the rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet access from school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining that collegues aren't receiving email. Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on opm.blitzed.org and many others which apparently means that some charming people out there are using our naive school server as a spam machine! They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? Thank you. Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jun 4 06:45:52 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 02:45:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy Message-ID: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Debbie Schiel Wrote: From: Debbie Schiel * To: k12osn redhat com * Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy * Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:11:08 +1000 ________________________________________________________________________ Hi all, Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and the rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet access from school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining that collegues aren't receiving email. Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on opm.blitzed.org and many others which apparently means that some charming people out there are using our naive school server as a spam machine! They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? Thank you. Best regards, Debbie Debbie, Can you give us a little information about the server? What OS, Version #s, etc. Do you use the server for tasks other than web services? Here is some info: http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-proxy.htm John From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jun 4 07:08:31 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:38:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1117868911.887.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 15:11 +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? I hope you are meaning mail relay. Edit /etc/mail/access and add only those IP address from where you want to allow relaying. The table at my location is: localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY 192.168.2 RELAY Further your can also add local domain names in the file /etc/mail/local-host-names to restrict domains. Thereafter restart sendmail service On your router you can also block port 25 if no one from outside is to do mail relay (e.g. from homes) HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Jun 4 07:53:58 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:53:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A15E16.1030005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jamie McParland wrote: >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using squid >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. > >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things about >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using this? > >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our >weather stations, webservers, etc. > >Thoughts? Comments? > >Jamie McParland >Newberg Public Schools. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Check out http://www.censornet.com , all open source and based on Dans Guardian & Squid but really really easy to configure. We use it for all our machines and it authenticates against Samba no problem. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From haysja at sages.us Sat Jun 4 12:25:15 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:25:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: <002f01c568b7$a3b291e0$6401a8c0@digital1> References: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <1117845495.42a0f7f74c6f7@sages.us> <002f01c568b7$a3b291e0$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <1117887915.42a19dab7e418@sages.us> IPCop is a software firewall/proxy solution. With "add ons" it can be used as a filter (Dans Guardian) and more. I believe it is a spin off from what used to me Smoothwall. Quoting Mark Sarria : > I check the site out for IPCop, and it really does not say what it is. I see > > you are using it with Dan's Guardian, but DG is a web filter, so what does > IPCop do? > > --mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Hays" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? > > > > > > I echo Joe's sentiments. There are several schools here in Illinois that > > > are > > using IPCop with Cop+ (Dan's Guardian). It works well and is easy to > > manage. I > > use it in 5 schools in our district. > > > > We used to use SME with squidguard and it worked well for us, but IPCop is > > > much > > better. > > > > > > Quoting Joe Guenther : > > > >> I use IPcop and DansGuardian. It works very well for us. I use it in 3 > >> schools, there are a few others in our division that also use it. I > >> tried it with SquidGuard, but prefer the Cop+ (DansGuardian) better. It > >> uses a bit more horsepower, but does a better job. I run it on a > >> PIII600/256MB RAM and serve a school of 350 students with about 1Gb of > >> data/day. With 128Mb it would run for a few weeks and then start using > >> lots of swap. With 256 it just runs and runs. > >> > >> I had also tried SME server with squid/squidGuard but never got that to > >> work properly. > >> We also tried OpenBsd with privoxy and that would crash under heavy > >> load. squid/DansGuardian works much better. > >> > >> my 2 bits worth > >> Joe Guenther > >> > >> Jamie McParland wrote: > >> > >> >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using > >> >squid > >> >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. > >> > > >> >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things > >> >about > >> >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using > >> this? > >> > > >> >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our > >> >weather stations, webservers, etc. > >> > > >> >Thoughts? Comments? > >> > > >> >Jamie McParland > >> >Newberg Public Schools. > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see > >> > > >> >!DSPAM:42a0dcb393538832210326! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jim Hays > > Technology Director > > Monticello CUSD#25 > > Monticello, IL 61856 > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Jun 4 22:04:48 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:04:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> John Baillie wrote: > Debbie Schiel Wrote: > > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Debbie > > Debbie, > > Can you give us a little information about the server? What OS, Version #s, etc. > Do you use the server for tasks other than web services? > > Here is some info: > http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-proxy.htm > > John Hi John, It's a K12LTSP on a PIII Redhat Fedora 2 and we use the box as a proxy server and apache web server - but not for mail (because I don't know how to set that up yet - apparently much harder to do). The teachers are able to access a mysql database of student assessments from home using this server. My background (as well as teaching) is web design so I'm OK with web/php stuff but Linux/ports/proxies are all relatively new. Sudev's suggestions are straightforward enough and sound like what we need so I'll give them a go when next at school and see if that solves the problem. Thanks also for the link. I can feel another learning curve coming on! Debbie > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Sat Jun 4 14:17:39 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:17:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1117894659.42a1b8033680a@sages.us> If you are not using this as an email server, why not disable sendmail? Quoting Debbie Schiel : > John Baillie wrote: > > Debbie Schiel Wrote: > > > > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way > over > > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Debbie > > > > Debbie, > > > > Can you give us a little information about the server? What OS, Version #s, > etc. > > Do you use the server for tasks other than web services? > > > > Here is some info: > > http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-proxy.htm > > > > John > > Hi John, It's a K12LTSP on a PIII Redhat Fedora 2 and we use the box as > a proxy server and apache web server - but not for mail (because I don't > know how to set that up yet - apparently much harder to do). The > teachers are able to access a mysql database of student assessments from > home using this server. My background (as well as teaching) is web > design so I'm OK with web/php stuff but Linux/ports/proxies are all > relatively new. > > Sudev's suggestions are straightforward enough and sound like what we > need so I'll give them a go when next at school and see if that solves > the problem. > > Thanks also for the link. I can feel another learning curve coming on! > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From robark at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 14:47:58 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:47:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: Although I have not tried it yet. I have heard Censornet distro is easy to use for a caching/filtering proxy and I'm sure it also has apache. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jun 4 15:40:37 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:40:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy Message-ID: <1117899637.7437.63.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Debbie, I thought that a default install of fedora 2 protected against this. One solution might be to use one of the firewall distributions and put your web server behind the firewall. I have used smoothwall. http://smoothwall.org/docs/ quite easy to set up and manage. For a layman's way of checking vulnerabilities check out shields up. https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 John From gj.kramer at planet.nl Sat Jun 4 16:12:12 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:12:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Palm Syncing In-Reply-To: <429F28DF.4080203@inlandlakes.org> References: <429F28DF.4080203@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1117901532.18397.17.camel@server.byh.org> This is still on my "To do" list but since you haven't had a lot of replies I will pass on what little I know, the caveat being that I haven't had a chance to try this yet. AFAIK: You will have to run pi-nredir as a local app on the terminal(s) with the cradle(s). On the server you will have to run pi-csd. Alternatively, if you have a windows machine that supports terminal services on your network, pi-nredir (on the thin client) can connect to it, and by using rdesktop from the terminal your users would have access to "Documents to Go". The downside would be that you would then be stuck with the windows calendering etc, although I suppose you could selectively enable conduits on the linux and windows servers so that the appropriate apps would get synced to the correct server. I believe that both pi-nredir and pi-csd are part of the pilot-link package. Hope this helps to get you started. Let me know how you make out. - gustav On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 11:42 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas on how to address the "palm syncing" issue? > I have a lot of teachers (and administrators) that want to sync their > palm pilots with something. Another problem with it is that they mostly > want to sync "Documents to Go" > > Any ideas? > > I was thinking that perhaps the newest version of Doc2go has support for > documents copied to/from an SDCARD to be directly edited (like with a > usb card reader, which DOES work on a thin client). But that doesn't > solve the calender/application install problem. > > Anyway, any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated by lil' ol' me. > > -Shawn From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 16:30:17 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:30:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] freeduc Message-ID: <9bd317560506040930b030e5b@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone remastered the Freeduc live distro for english? I successfully changed the default language to english but Gcompris needs the english voices added to be fully functional. Thanks, Peter From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 4 17:39:10 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:39:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? References: <42A15E16.1030005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001001c5692c$515d3e70$6401a8c0@digital1> I was reading about Censornet, are there any fees you have to pay to to run this software. A bit confused about there service. -mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chivers" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? > Jamie McParland wrote: > >>Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using squid >>and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. >> >>I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things about >>dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using >>this? >> >>We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our >>weather stations, webservers, etc. >> >>Thoughts? Comments? >> >>Jamie McParland >>Newberg Public Schools. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > Check out http://www.censornet.com , all open source and based on Dans > Guardian & Squid but really really easy to configure. We use it for all > our machines and it authenticates against Samba no problem. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 4 18:02:28 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:02:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy References: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <002501c5692f$927863f0$6401a8c0@digital1> Check this out, hope it helps http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/ --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Schiel" To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy > Hi all, > > Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and > the > rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet access > from > school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining > that > collegues aren't receiving email. > > Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on > opm.blitzed.org > and many others which apparently means that some charming people out there > are > using our naive school server as a spam machine! > > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes > way over > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Debbie > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Jun 4 18:17:14 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:17:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: <001001c5692c$515d3e70$6401a8c0@digital1> References: <42A15E16.1030005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <001001c5692c$515d3e70$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <42A1F02A.1020402@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Sarria wrote: > I was reading about Censornet, are there any fees you have to pay to > to run this software. A bit confused about there service. > > -mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chivers" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? > > >> Jamie McParland wrote: >> >>> Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using >>> squid >>> and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. >>> >>> I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things >>> about >>> dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone >>> using this? >>> >>> We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to our >>> weather stations, webservers, etc. >>> >>> Thoughts? Comments? >>> >>> Jamie McParland >>> Newberg Public Schools. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> Check out http://www.censornet.com , all open source and based on >> Dans Guardian & Squid but really really easy to configure. We use it >> for all our machines and it authenticates against Samba no problem. >> >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views >> of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see No, only if you want to suscribe to there BLUD update (blacklist update), and it's only ?100 ($175 ish) for a year. --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 4 19:39:03 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:39:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: [Ltsp-discuss] server recommendations References: <0F5E0B99-3B16-42EF-9B77-3554121A15E6@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <7D4F27C6-2CBB-4873-AA58-75A7789BE983@mindfirestudios.com> I sent this a couple days ago, but forgot to send it to the list! Begin forwarded message: > From: Burke Almquist > Date: June 3, 2005 7:52:59 AM CDT > To: Peter Billson > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] server recommendations > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here. IMHO, the best way to > run something like this is to have a central file/authentication > server (for all PCs) and then LTSP app servers. This way you really > only need SCSI/RAID on the file server. It makes administering and > expanding your network easier, since all your crucial info is in > one place. You don't need TOO much CPU or RAM for the file server, > just a good SCSI RAID for you data drives and probably a Gigabit > network interface too. You application servers should be dual CPU > and have a dual gigabit network interface (especially if they are > going to support more than 10 clients) and have lots of RAM (the > rule of thumb I hear is about 100M per client). Here an IDE disk is > sufficient if you have enough RAM/CPU power. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkKgUqsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSf9QCeLVVJ7qqe0aQy0dP4Dw4JEj0q > y2EAn3UsNmsueA7rqxAvyRZRhoqpEYit > =e0fg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 4 20:26:39 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:26:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start Message-ID: <003e01c56943$b70ee860$6401a8c0@digital1> I am attempting to setup squid with squidGuard (again) on my sandbox using Fedora Core 3. when I try to start squid, it fails. Where can I check to see why it is failing to start. -mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From woodsman at cad-concepts.net Sat Jun 4 17:01:56 2005 From: woodsman at cad-concepts.net (Brian C. Bassler) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:01:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start In-Reply-To: <001801c56948$21b72660$6401a8c0@digital1> References: <003e01c56943$b70ee860$6401a8c0@digital1> <001801c56948$21b72660$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <1117904516.13500.4.camel@server.ltsp> What was it? I'm having a similar problem. Can't get it to start and too much of a noob to know where to look to see why. Didn't a log in the squid dir. Thx Brian On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 13:58 -0700, Mark Sarria wrote: > Never mind its working now > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Sarria > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 1:26 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start > > > I am attempting to setup squid with squidGuard (again) on my > sandbox using Fedora Core 3. when I try to start squid, it > fails. Where can I check to see why it is failing to start. > > -mark > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 4 21:06:12 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:06:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start References: <003e01c56943$b70ee860$6401a8c0@digital1> <001801c56948$21b72660$6401a8c0@digital1> <1117904516.13500.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <001d01c56949$3d5bc280$6401a8c0@digital1> I am configure squid with squidGuard, and using the K12ltsp Fedora Core 3 version, if you are using the same then all you have to do is go to /etc/squid then open squid-squidGuard in your editor (vi) and add your network to the acl list acl mynetwork src 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 then make sure you have the visiable_hostname visiable_hostname mycomputername then start squidguard like so /etc/init.d/squidguard start and it should work set your clients to proxy to the server for me the server ip is 192.168.1.101 port 3128 and your done, just test. -mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian C. Bassler" To: "Mark Sarria" ; "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start > > What was it? I'm having a similar problem. Can't get it to start and > too much of a noob to know where to look to see why. Didn't a log in > the squid dir. > > Thx > > Brian > > On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 13:58 -0700, Mark Sarria wrote: >> Never mind its working now >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mark Sarria >> To: K12OSN at redhat.com >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 1:26 PM >> Subject: [K12OSN] Squid - Fails to Start >> >> >> I am attempting to setup squid with squidGuard (again) on my >> sandbox using Fedora Core 3. when I try to start squid, it >> fails. Where can I check to see why it is failing to start. >> >> -mark >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jun 4 21:57:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release Message-ID: I uploaded pre-release ISOs of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. I still need to do a lot of testing, but this build *should* be pretty close to production- quality. The ISO images are built on CentOS 4.0. Shortly I will have instructions on installing the K12LTSP 4.2EL packages on Red Hat EL AS4.0. If you are so inclined to help with the quality assurance work, please give this build a spin and report back any issues you run into! ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -Eric From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun Jun 5 01:04:29 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:04:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: <002f01c568b7$a3b291e0$6401a8c0@digital1> References: <42A0E8FD.3020800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <1117845495.42a0f7f74c6f7@sages.us> <002f01c568b7$a3b291e0$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <42A24F9D.8060800@chinooksedge.ab.ca> IPCop is a linux firewall. But it is also a web proxy (squid) - when coupled with SquidGuard or DansGuardian it is then also a content filter. Besides that it is also a DHCP server, a caching DNS server, a time server, and can also be configured to connect VPN's. It comes with a very nice graphical configuration interface, great system, network traffic & proxy graphs. You install this as the router/firewall between the public internet and your internal network. You need a computer with 2 NICs. It will support dial-up, ISDN and ethernet (DSL, leased lines, etc) I can heartily recommend it. Joe Guenther Mark Sarria wrote: > I check the site out for IPCop, and it really does not say what it is. > I see you are using it with Dan's Guardian, but DG is a web filter, so > what does IPCop do? > > --mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hays" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? > > >> >> I echo Joe's sentiments. There are several schools here in Illinois >> that are >> using IPCop with Cop+ (Dan's Guardian). It works well and is easy to >> manage. I >> use it in 5 schools in our district. >> >> We used to use SME with squidguard and it worked well for us, but >> IPCop is much >> better. >> >> >> Quoting Joe Guenther : >> >>> I use IPcop and DansGuardian. It works very well for us. I use it in 3 >>> schools, there are a few others in our division that also use it. I >>> tried it with SquidGuard, but prefer the Cop+ (DansGuardian) >>> better. It >>> uses a bit more horsepower, but does a better job. I run it on a >>> PIII600/256MB RAM and serve a school of 350 students with about 1Gb of >>> data/day. With 128Mb it would run for a few weeks and then start using >>> lots of swap. With 256 it just runs and runs. >>> >>> I had also tried SME server with squid/squidGuard but never got that to >>> work properly. >>> We also tried OpenBsd with privoxy and that would crash under heavy >>> load. squid/DansGuardian works much better. >>> >>> my 2 bits worth >>> Joe Guenther >>> >>> Jamie McParland wrote: >>> >>> >Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right now we are using >>> >squid >>> >and squid guard for our porn filtering on our firewall. >>> > >>> >I would like to see what everyone else is using. I hear good things >>> >about >>> >dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on this. Is anyone using >>> this? >>> > >>> >We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for static maps to >>> our >>> >weather stations, webservers, etc. >>> > >>> >Thoughts? Comments? >>> > >>> >Jamie McParland >>> >Newberg Public Schools. >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >K12OSN mailing list >>> >K12OSN at redhat.com >>> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> >For more info see >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Jim Hays >> Technology Director >> Monticello CUSD#25 >> Monticello, IL 61856 >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:42a12385308001579715235! > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 5 01:43:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:43:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server Message-ID: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> I am getting ready to install a new email server from scratch (it being summer, and linux being free and all...) -- and I'm curious what daemon folks are using as an imap server. The trick, of course, is that I'm using Maildir rather than the standard mbox format. (and oh my goodness what a performance increase...well worth the hassle) Last year, I managed to compile courier-imapd (after finding dependencies, etc) -- is that still the best way to go? Is there some pre-packaged included-on-the-k12ltsp cds that will handle Maildir folders? Thanks for any insight, -Shawn From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 02:18:53 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: <42A15E16.1030005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050605021854.55570.qmail@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We use CensorNet at our school, too, and really love how it works. Really easy to get set up. David Whitmer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From m3freak at rogers.com Sun Jun 5 02:56:13 2005 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:56:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> On Sat, 2005-04-06 at 21:43 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Last year, I managed to compile courier-imapd (after finding > dependencies, etc) -- is that still the best way to go? Is there > some pre-packaged included-on-the-k12ltsp cds that will handle > Maildir folders? Dovecot is your answer. If you're using the latest version of K12LTSP, then Dovecot is included with the distribution. If not, you can grab Dovecot from the Dovecot website. Oh, it's really easy to set up and maintain. Good performance, too! HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 5 03:01:24 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:01:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> Message-ID: <9B9C25A7-005E-4C1E-A9E4-7801A2CA7EFC@inlandlakes.org> On Jun 4, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > Dovecot is your answer Awesome news! Dovecot is what I used when I was using mbox mailboxes -- but I don't think it supported Maildir at the time. (If it did, I'm a real dunce...) Thanks for the information! -Shawn From robark at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 03:24:46 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:24:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I have previously downloaded the four Centos 4 iso's do I need to download all of the K12LTSP 4.2.1EL iso's or can I save some bandwidth. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 5 03:37:24 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:37:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60D4F00D-4ECD-4282-9C08-D035DEE34A15@inlandlakes.org> On Jun 4, 2005, at 11:24 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > If I have previously downloaded the four Centos 4 iso's do I need to > download all of the K12LTSP 4.2.1EL iso's or can I save some > bandwidth. Usually you can use the same isos. Rename them to whatever the 4.2.1 isos are named, and try rsyncing them. The worst that will happen is that it'll update *every bit* of the isos (if they completely different). I have a feeling they are largely similar, and that you'll save a lot of bandwidth though. -Shawn From genfil at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 04:09:09 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:09:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Invisible Files Message-ID: I download some file but I cant see it on my desktop or home directory. but the next time i login, its there. What do I do so I can see it immediatly after I download. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 5 04:38:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:38:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> Message-ID: <1117946312.6387.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 21:56, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-06 at 21:43 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Last year, I managed to compile courier-imapd (after finding > > dependencies, etc) -- is that still the best way to go? Is there > > some pre-packaged included-on-the-k12ltsp cds that will handle > > Maildir folders? > > Dovecot is your answer. If you're using the latest version of K12LTSP, > then Dovecot is included with the distribution. If not, you can grab > Dovecot from the Dovecot website. Note that you also have to configure your mail delivery program to use maildir format. If you are using sendmail with procmail doing local delivery (the default) you can do it with /etc/procmailrc. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Jun 5 05:32:25 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:32:25 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <1117894659.42a1b8033680a@sages.us> References: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1117894659.42a1b8033680a@sages.us> Message-ID: <20050605153225.57vzgmj1wups04w4@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi, I've just done that and the difference is amazing - well, the difference is that we're back to normal broadband speeds - FAB! I'll still have to learn how to secure our open proxy but at least I've stopped those mean & nasty spammers. Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Jim Hays : > > If you are not using this as an email server, why not disable sendmail? > > > > Quoting Debbie Schiel : > >> John Baillie wrote: >> > Debbie Schiel Wrote: >> > >> > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that >> goes way >> over >> > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Debbie >> > >> > Debbie, >> > >> > Can you give us a little information about the server? What OS, >> Version #s, >> etc. >> > Do you use the server for tasks other than web services? >> > >> > Here is some info: >> > http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-proxy.htm >> > >> > John >> >> Hi John, It's a K12LTSP on a PIII Redhat Fedora 2 and we use the box as >> a proxy server and apache web server - but not for mail (because I don't >> know how to set that up yet - apparently much harder to do). The >> teachers are able to access a mysql database of student assessments from >> home using this server. My background (as well as teaching) is web >> design so I'm OK with web/php stuff but Linux/ports/proxies are all >> relatively new. >> >> Sudev's suggestions are straightforward enough and sound like what we >> need so I'll give them a go when next at school and see if that solves >> the problem. >> >> Thanks also for the link. I can feel another learning curve coming on! >> >> Debbie >> > >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jim Hays > Technology Director > Monticello CUSD#25 > Monticello, IL 61856 > ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sun Jun 5 13:58:08 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:58:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Invisible Files References: Message-ID: <000501c569d6$9afee100$0100a8c0@Marian> Try to push the "refresh button" in the file browser. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genfil Villahermosa" To: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:09 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Invisible Files > I download some file but I cant see it on my desktop or home > directory. but the next time i login, its there. What do I do so I can > see it immediatly after I download. > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 5 13:14:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 08:14:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <20050605153225.57vzgmj1wups04w4@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <1117867552.7437.50.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42A22580.4040600@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1117894659.42a1b8033680a@sages.us> <20050605153225.57vzgmj1wups04w4@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1117977252.17764.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 00:32, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi, I've just done that and the difference is amazing - well, the > difference is > that we're back to normal broadband speeds - FAB! > > I'll still have to learn how to secure our open proxy but at least I've > stopped > those mean & nasty spammers. That's kind of odd unless someone had changed sendmail. The default setup on RedHat/Fedora for a long time has been that sendmail will not accept mail over the network unless you make a change and rebuild sendmail.cf. Had the machine been kept current with updates while exposed to the internet? Unless you know who made that change, I'd consider a complete re-install at the first opportunity. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From crayj71 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 17:27:01 2005 From: crayj71 at yahoo.com (Chris Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Clustering or chooser method Message-ID: <20050605172701.53205.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, I am looking for suggestions on what people are using fro large user base installations. I have roughly 350 thin clients (IBM Netvista 8364EUS and Neoware EON 4000) and I am trying to get a feel for the best approach. The question is should I be looking at something like an openmosix cluster or should I be looking at multiple app servers using a gdm chooser implementation. I will be using Win2k3 AD authentication and home directorys on the existing windows box. In either case most of the articles in the mail list archive seem to be fairly old, I would appreciate a pointer to any related to any install docs for either or both of these solutions. Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From crayj71 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 18:15:02 2005 From: crayj71 at yahoo.com (Chris Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 11:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Clustering or chooser method Message-ID: <20050605181502.66116.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> I forgot to mention that at any one time there are an average of around 40 - 50 users, and never exceeding 100 at a time. Chris __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From tim at litwiller.net Sun Jun 5 21:00:06 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <42A367D6.1030708@litwiller.net> opm.blitzed.org doens't list "open relays" it lists "open proxies" So tho it is good to make sure your server isn't an open relay - that won't fix your problem now. You have to make sure that your proxy server will not allow outside users access - or at leas not without a username password combo. Check your squid configuration and then squidguard and or dansguardian. If any of those are proxying from the external port you will get listed. you will want to make sure they they are only bound to the internal ip address of your server. Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi all, > > Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and the > rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet access from > school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining that > collegues aren't receiving email. > > Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on opm.blitzed.org > and many others which apparently means that some charming people out there are > using our naive school server as a spam machine! > > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Debbie From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 00:59:38 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:59:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: <1117946312.6387.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> <1117946312.6387.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:38 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > If you are using sendmail with procmail > doing local delivery (the default) you can do it with > /etc/procmailrc. That brings up another question: I currently virus scan and spam scan via procmail recipes. Is there a better way I should be doing it? (ie, is a milter or some such thing more efficient?) Thanks yet again, -Shawn From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Jun 6 01:33:05 2005 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:33:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 Message-ID: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda starting I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . anyone have this happen before.? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shawn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 267 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 6 02:48:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:48:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> <1117946312.6387.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1118026084.19030.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 19:59, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:38 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > If you are using sendmail with procmail > > doing local delivery (the default) you can do it with > > /etc/procmailrc. > > That brings up another question: I currently virus scan and spam > scan via procmail recipes. Is there a better way I should be doing > it? (ie, is a milter or some such thing more efficient?) My favorite is using MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/) as a sendmail milter with it using spamassassin and clam av to scan at the system level, discarding viruses and rejecting only very high spam scores but tagging the spamassassin score in the header so individuals can choose their own level to filter with procmail or outlook rules. Running as a milter lets it reject at the SMTP level based on the scan results (so you don't have to return a bounce message) and will only do one scan for messages that get delivered to multiple addresses. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 03:05:12 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:05:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> Message-ID: On 6/5/05, Shawn Henderson wrote: > I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different > mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda starting > I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . anyone have > this happen before.? Yes when trying to install to older hardware. I burned them at 20x (at home) but the cdrom drive which was trying to read them (at school) was only an 8x. As soon as I burned it at 8x it worked. If your cdrom that's reading is not very old this will not apply. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 6 03:15:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:15:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <1118027714.19030.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 20:33, Shawn Henderson wrote: > I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different > mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda starting > I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . anyone have > this happen before.? I think that can be a symptom of autodetecting the DMA capabilities on the cd drive incorrectly. Try booting with: linux nocddma at the boot prompt. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Jun 6 05:52:22 2005 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:52:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <42A3E496.8060505@techcoms.net> I tried the nocddma with no luck.. gonna try and burn them at a slower speed.. Ill let you guys know what happens .. thanks Shawn Henderson wrote: > I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different > mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda > starting I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . > anyone have this happen before.? > Thanks > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shawn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 267 bytes Desc: not available URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Jun 6 05:53:49 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:53:49 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <42A367D6.1030708@litwiller.net> References: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <42A367D6.1030708@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20050606155349.66hzdh6o826684g4@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> > opm.blitzed.org doens't list "open relays" it lists "open proxies" > So tho it is good to make sure your server isn't an open relay - that > won't fix your problem now. > > You have to make sure that your proxy server will not allow outside > users access - or at leas not without a username password combo. How is the username & password acces setup? I use webmin and can also edit specific config files if necessary. > Check your squid configuration and then squidguard and or dansguardian. > If any of those are proxying from the external port you will get listed. > What would the external port number be? I have squid in webmin but not squidguard as we use dansguardian. There are 'Access control lists' but I wouldn't know how to use them. Is there a HOWTO? > you will want to make sure they they are only bound to the internal > ip address of your server. How do I check this? Thanks. And re Les' post - > That's kind of odd unless someone had changed sendmail. The default > setup on RedHat/Fedora for a long time has been that sendmail will > not accept mail over the network unless you make a change and > rebuild sendmail.cf. Had the machine been kept current with > updates while exposed to the internet? Unless you know who > made that change, I'd consider a complete re-install at the > first opportunity. I did the original install - did most of it unexperienced and not really understanding what I was doing, but I followed instructions and it worked. Could I have changed it by accident? I will take your advice though and re-install over the holidays. Thanks, Debbie > > Debbie Schiel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and the >> rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet >> access from >> school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining that >> collegues aren't receiving email. >> >> Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on >> opm.blitzed.org >> and many others which apparently means that some charming people out >> there are >> using our naive school server as a spam machine! >> >> They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that >> goes way over >> my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From datakid at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 05:56:31 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:56:31 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <001501c55bc7$b52bc010$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <428B4B98.1050400@inlandlakes.org> <001501c55bc7$b52bc010$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <24261cd05060522561cdf7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Hola Strange, I would have said they were the other way around - old machines with hard drive disconnected, booting from the NIC is _diskless_ (definitively), and thin clients are _diskfull_ but pull their X, and maybe some power/file shares/printers from a server... what was chubby client again? L. On 5/19/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > "chubby" client still makes me laugh... > > The phrase stuck with me. I use it all of the time. It is the only > time I can call something chubby and not offend someone. Makes me laugh > as well, thanks for the cool lingo :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Jun 6 05:59:24 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:59:24 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT? Fixing an Open Proxy In-Reply-To: <42A367D6.1030708@litwiller.net> References: <20050604151108.iqo7b2t1174c0g04@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <42A367D6.1030708@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20050606155924.fq03jpgldaf40oo0@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> > opm.blitzed.org doens't list "open relays" it lists "open proxies" > So tho it is good to make sure your server isn't an open relay - that > won't fix your problem now. > > You have to make sure that your proxy server will not allow outside > users access - or at leas not without a username password combo. How is the username & password acces setup? I use webmin and can also edit specific config files if necessary. > Check your squid configuration and then squidguard and or dansguardian. > If any of those are proxying from the external port you will get listed. > What would the external port number be? I have squid in webmin but not squidguard as we use dansguardian. There are 'Access control lists' but I wouldn't know how to use them. Is there a HOWTO? > you will want to make sure they they are only bound to the internal > ip address of your server. How do I check this? Thanks. And re Les' post - > That's kind of odd unless someone had changed sendmail. The default > setup on RedHat/Fedora for a long time has been that sendmail will > not accept mail over the network unless you make a change and > rebuild sendmail.cf. Had the machine been kept current with > updates while exposed to the internet? Unless you know who > made that change, I'd consider a complete re-install at the > first opportunity. I did the original install - did most of it unexperienced and not really understanding what I was doing, but I followed instructions and it worked. Could I have changed it by accident? I will take your advice though and re-install over the holidays. Thanks, Debbie > > Debbie Schiel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Now that we have our webserver with static IP available for teachers and the >> rest of the world to see, I've found that 1. Our broadband internet >> access from >> school has slowed down to dial-up speeds, and 2. Staff are complaining that >> collegues aren't receiving email. >> >> Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on >> opm.blitzed.org >> and many others which apparently means that some charming people out >> there are >> using our naive school server as a spam machine! >> >> They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that >> goes way over >> my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Jun 6 08:03:42 2005 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:03:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> I am still stuck anything else I can try ... I set the burn speed for 8x then down to 4x. Typed linux nocddma at the boot prompt. I did hit f2 and type linux askmedia or something I forget and I got past anaconda but the first screen locked up on me. Shawn Henderson wrote: > I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different > mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda > starting I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . > anyone have this happen before.? > Thanks > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shawn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 267 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jun 6 08:41:36 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:41:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir imap server In-Reply-To: <1118026084.19030.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <861247FF-6990-4F42-8F32-8B76011E3153@inlandlakes.org> <1117940173.4653.3.camel@krs> <1117946312.6387.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1118026084.19030.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42A40C40.3030507@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 19:59, Shawn Powers wrote: > >>On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:38 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >>>If you are using sendmail with procmail >>>doing local delivery (the default) you can do it with >>>/etc/procmailrc. >> >>That brings up another question: I currently virus scan and spam >>scan via procmail recipes. Is there a better way I should be doing >>it? (ie, is a milter or some such thing more efficient?) > > > My favorite is using MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/) > as a sendmail milter with it using spamassassin and clam av > to scan at the system level, discarding viruses and rejecting > only very high spam scores but tagging the spamassassin score > in the header so individuals can choose their own level to > filter with procmail or outlook rules. > > Running as a milter lets it reject at the SMTP level based > on the scan results (so you don't have to return a bounce > message) and will only do one scan for messages that get > delivered to multiple addresses. > You could look at Mailscanner (http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/) we used to use it till we moved to PureMessage from Sophos. If you have the money this is a brilliant piece of software, runs on Linux and just works out the box. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From genfil at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 09:47:38 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:47:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Global Setting for Open Office Message-ID: I want to change the setting of open office globaly like autosaving. How do change the config without logining as individual user and changing it. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 10:04:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Filtering anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050606100450.40456.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the recommendation of others on this list, I tried out IPCop. I haven't used it besides to test it, but I can tell you that it was pretty easy to install and configure. The download is also fairly small, so it won't take you very long if you want to test it out. The most confusing part I found was that there are a few different sources for obtaining add-ons (like squidguard and dansguardian), and I don't know if any of them are functionally different from the others, or if one source is recommended over others, etc. -Rob --- Jamie McParland wrote: > Summer is almost here and time for upgrades! Right > now we are using squid > and squid guard for our porn filtering on our > firewall. > > I would like to see what everyone else is using. I > hear good things about > dans guardian. I've even seen a distro based on > this. Is anyone using this? > > We need to be able to poke holes in our firewall for > static maps to our > weather stations, webservers, etc. > > Thoughts? Comments? > > Jamie McParland > Newberg Public Schools. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jun 6 10:51:52 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:51:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-->citrix lockups Message-ID: <200506061303.j56D3R523625@downeast.net> I have a lab i have a twenty seat lysp lab where heavy use is using firefox to access citrix ..when a pile of people sign on i get massive spoolss errors on the windows/citrix side as citrix tries to create printers..And lockups on the ltsp side until windows gets a brain again...Anyone come across this??anyone tried the registry hack to stop windows/citrix from attempting to create these printers??chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 12:02:17 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:02:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <24261cd05060522561cdf7b1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <428B4B98.1050400@inlandlakes.org> <001501c55bc7$b52bc010$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <24261cd05060522561cdf7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A43B49.4050605@inlandlakes.org> musicman wrote: > what was chubby client again? A computer running a full install of linux (originally a powermac 5500, which couldn't boot without a local install) that runs `X -query` to the the LTSP server. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 12:09:00 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how to change server name? Message-ID: <20050606120900.14595.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can anybody tell me what is the proper way to change the name of the server? Mine is currently called "server", and I'd like to change it to something a little more unique now that it is getting put into a network with many other machines. I believe /etc/hosts needs to be edited, but I think there's another file somewhere that I have to edit, too. Or maybe there's a GUI tool to do the job... Thanks for the help. -Rob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 12:09:29 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:09:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <42A43CF9.8050207@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Henderson wrote: > I am still stuck anything else I can try ... I set the burn speed for 8x > then down to 4x. Typed linux nocddma at the boot prompt. > I did hit f2 and type linux askmedia or something I forget and I got > past anaconda but the first screen locked up on me. sorry -- I'm jumping into this thread late, so I'm not sure all the things you've tried. have you tried a network install? (even if it's not practical, just to see if it would start) a new CDROM drive, even temporarily in the server? try "linux noprobe" at the boot prompt, to see if detecting some hardware is causing the problem (NOTE: This will make installing less fun, but it's a step towards tracking down the problem) Don't give up. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Jun 6 12:24:42 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:24:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to change server name? Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA566CD1@rebekah.bible.edu> You probably want to change the DHCP setting also. I think there is one there. JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:09 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] how to change server name? > > Can anybody tell me what is the proper way to change the name > of the server? Mine is currently called "server", and I'd > like to change it to something a little more unique now that > it is getting put into a network with many other machines. > > I believe /etc/hosts needs to be edited, but I think there's > another file somewhere that I have to edit, too. Or maybe > there's a GUI tool to do the job... > > Thanks for the help. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the > weekend. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 6 12:39:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:39:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to change server name? In-Reply-To: <20050606120900.14595.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050606120900.14595.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118061553.22738.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 07:09, Rob Owens wrote: > Can anybody tell me what is the proper way to change > the name of the server? Mine is currently called > "server", and I'd like to change it to something a > little more unique now that it is getting put into a > network with many other machines. > > I believe /etc/hosts needs to be edited, but I think > there's another file somewhere that I have to edit, > too. Or maybe there's a GUI tool to do the job... The GUI tool is called redhat-config-network or system-config-network depending on your OS version but the short name 'neat' works for all. Click the DNS tab to change the hostname, then file/save. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 12:56:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:56:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A43CF9.8050207@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> <42A43CF9.8050207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42A447EB.3080901@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: >> past anaconda but the first screen locked up on me. Hmm... also, if you haven't done it -- type memtest86 at the bootprompt, to test your ram sticks. Locking up is often (not always) a sign of bad ram. NOTE: memtest86 takes forever to run... NOTE^2: make sure to just type "memtest86" not "linux memtest86" I'm embarrassed to admit that was my faux paus the first time I tried to run memtest -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Jun 6 13:08:11 2005 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:08:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites Message-ID: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12OSN list! I have a problem with thin clients and sound. Sound works fine on the thin clients (playing ogg's and other formats), but I don't have any sound in flash sites in firefox. Any ideas on what I can do to fix this? thanks Jonathan From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jun 6 13:20:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:20:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites In-Reply-To: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, June 6, 2005 at 9:08 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi K12OSN list! > >I have a problem with thin clients and sound. Sound works fine on the >thin clients (playing ogg's and other formats), but I don't have any >sound in flash sites in firefox. > >Any ideas on what I can do to fix this? Multitudes of ways, but I'll let you know what I've done. I'm using nasd (in lts.conf.... SOUND_DAEMON = nasd)....then if using IceWM make sure that the sound stuff loads first....below is my IceWM session file on my server (K12LTSP 4.1) #!/bin/bash # initiate sound configs if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi # icewm configurations if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] then . /etc/sysconfig/icewm fi # use nautilus? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] then /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus & fi # use session or just plain icewm? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_SESSION" = "YES" ] then # exec /usr/bin/icewm-session exec /usr/bin/icewm else exec /usr/bin/icewm fi I can say that many people have done different things to get flash sound working in LTSP....check the archives and the wiki. (I think I documented what I've done in the wiki as well http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 13:18:55 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:18:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites In-Reply-To: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> Jonathan Carter wrote: > I have a problem with thin clients and sound. Sound works fine on the > thin clients (playing ogg's and other formats), but I don't have any > sound in flash sites in firefox. Are you using nasd or esd? If nasd, I have no idea (sorry, I've never gotten that to work) if esd -- there's a "hack" to make it work. From http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases%3A4.2.0: ltsp_esound_server-0.7-k12ltsp.0.4.2 /etc/cron.hourly/ltsp_esd_hack * A "hack" to make sound in flash to work. Not enabled by default, you must set FLASH_SOUND_HACK=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp to turn this on That's if you're running a 4.2.x version of K12LTSP, otherwise, you can still make it work, but it requires more typing an explanation on my part. :) The super short version is: /tmp/.esd folder needs to exist on the server /tmp/.esd/socket needs to exist (as an empty file) on the server those need to be recreated, as they disappear occasionally (cron is your friend here) There is also some symbolic linking that needs to occur, but I dont' remember offhand the names and locations of the needed symlink. If you search the k12osn list for "/tmp/.esd/socket" you're bound to come up with the discussion from earlier this year... If you need more help, just holler. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jun 6 13:24:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:24:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites In-Reply-To: <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Sound in Flash..... Another one is documented here.... http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=125 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Jun 6 13:25:48 2005 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:25:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites In-Reply-To: <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42A44EDC.8080304@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Are you using nasd or esd? If nasd, I have no idea (sorry, I've never > gotten that to work) if esd -- there's a "hack" to make it work. I'm using esd. > From http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases%3A4.2.0: > > ltsp_esound_server-0.7-k12ltsp.0.4.2 > /etc/cron.hourly/ltsp_esd_hack > * A "hack" to make sound in flash to work. Not enabled by > default, you must set FLASH_SOUND_HACK=YES in > /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp to turn this on > > That's if you're running a 4.2.x version of K12LTSP, otherwise, you can > still make it work, but it requires more typing an explanation on my > part. :) No, I'm running the aaancient 4.1.1 version of LTSP, and it's not on K12 (sorry, used to using K12, so I posted it to this list first). > The super short version is: > > /tmp/.esd folder needs to exist on the server > /tmp/.esd/socket needs to exist (as an empty file) on the server I think that helps :) > those need to be recreated, as they disappear occasionally (cron is your > friend here) > > There is also some symbolic linking that needs to occur, but I dont' > remember offhand the names and locations of the needed symlink. If you > search the k12osn list for "/tmp/.esd/socket" you're bound to come up > with the discussion from earlier this year... > > If you need more help, just holler. :) OK, thanks. The problem is that this school is a bit far out, perhaps I should try to set up a local system to test... thanks! -Jonathan From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 6 13:28:06 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:28:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound inside flash sites In-Reply-To: <42A44EDC.8080304@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <42A44D3F.5030100@inlandlakes.org> <42A44EDC.8080304@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <42A44F66.4080203@inlandlakes.org> Jonathan Carter wrote: >> There is also some symbolic linking that needs to occur, but I dont' >> remember offhand the names and locations of the needed symlink. If >> you search the k12osn list for "/tmp/.esd/socket" you're bound to come >> up with the discussion from earlier this year... Just a note -- that link from David from symibiont tells the symlinking, etc. He was more diligent in either searching or bookmarking than I was. ;) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 6 14:03:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:03:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> <42A4035E.2040405@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <42A457CA.8050801@maltzen.net> Install using the network/nfs method: 1. Wherever you have the ISO files, make that an NFS share. 2. Using first CD, boot on new server-to-be and type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt. 3. During the installation, choose the network/nfs install, and point it at the server and nfs directory you setup in step #1. Once you get the hang of doing it this way, burning a bunch of CDs will seem archaic. Petre Shawn Henderson wrote: > I am still stuck anything else I can try ... I set the burn speed for 8x > then down to 4x. Typed linux nocddma at the boot prompt. > I did hit f2 and type linux askmedia or something I forget and I got > past anaconda but the first screen locked up on me. > > > Shawn Henderson wrote: > >> I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different >> mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda >> starting I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . >> anyone have this happen before.? >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Jun 6 14:07:00 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installation problems w/ 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> References: <42A3A7D1.8030003@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <42A45884.2020908@msln.net> Shawn, What's your hardware, More specific, Raid/SCSI interface. I have a DELL 2850 and the 4.2.1 Mega raid driver in "hardware" RAID 0 will lockup every single time anaconda tries to setup the hard drives just prior to loading. I tried changing the bios to scsi mode from raid and that allowed me to get the os loaded.... But it will only last 5 seconds after logon. It dropped both of my processors with a 07f0 error. Not having the time to dig deeper. I (thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Eric Harrison) downloaded centos4 with ltsp included. QUOTE" ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -Eric " I rsynced the disks I already had, did a nfs install and 12 minutes later I'm off and running. Almost forgot, I left centos 4 running in the machine over the weekend to see if any problems arose and they did not. Mark Shawn Henderson wrote: > I have used 3 different iso's on 3 different cd's from 2 different > mirrors and 6 cdroms. Every time I get to the point of Anaconda > starting I can go no further. The media check says everything is ok . > anyone have this happen before.? > Thanks > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From rusty at enveloptech.com Mon Jun 6 14:45:43 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:45:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-->citrix lockups Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A49753@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Go to Citrix connection configuration. Double-click ica-tcp. Click on the button that says client settings. From there you will see a window with a bunch of check boxes titled 'client mapping overrides.' Check the box that says disable client printer mapping. (it sounds like you may want to check the other overrides also -- drive mapping, com port, etc) No reboot is necessary, although the change will only affect new logins (not people currently logged in). Rusty Pywtorak CCEA -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:52 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-->citrix lockups I have a lab i have a twenty seat lysp lab where heavy use is using firefox to access citrix ..when a pile of people sign on i get massive spoolss errors on the windows/citrix side as citrix tries to create printers..And lockups on the ltsp side until windows gets a brain again...Anyone come across this??anyone tried the registry hack to stop windows/citrix from attempting to create these printers??chuck From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:06:45 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:06:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rDesktop sound strethed out In-Reply-To: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <42A47495.40309@yahoo.com> Hi ! Does anyone met the problem on the client side with sound from Windows terminal server (rDesktop). It strethed (double length) but on the server it works good. I used New Century Education with Linux client through Remote Desktop. With LTSP it still unable. Vlad Rachinsky, GHSDistrict, Sacramento, CA From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:13:58 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:13:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ports used by LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A47646.2000300@yahoo.com> Genfil Villahermosa wrote: >I planning to build a firewall using iptables. Can anyone tell me what >ports LTSP use? > > > Hi ! You can discover all ports you use by using "nmap" with command line: root at server# nmap f.e. nmap 192.168.0.1 Vlad RAchinsky, GHSDistrict, Sacramento, CA From dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org Mon Jun 6 15:40:38 2005 From: dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org (David M. Rogers) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:40:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xfce and vnc Message-ID: <42A46E76.40500@mail.hgresaettc.org> Gentlemen, I have run across a problem and wonder if anyone has seen this before, and if so, if you have a solution. I have a server running Fedora Core 3. I installed xfce for the GUI. It works great at the console, however, when I try to connect through vncviewer, I just get a black screen and an "x" for the mouse cursor. I have used vncserver/viewer for years on multiple platforms and set it up to run either gnome or kde. I just can't get xfce to run properly through vncserver. I am setting up a tunnel with ssh to secure the connection, but I don't think that has anything to do with the problem. In fact, when I try to connect through a linux client I can see the error messages on the server that says: xfdesktop: running without session manager. xfce4-panel: running without session manager. My suspicion is that I do not have the vnc xstartup file setup correctly. Usually I just substitute the last line with: exec gnome-session & and everything works fine. If you have any suggestion, please share them with me. I have googled without success. -- Thanks, David David M. Rogers, Technical Specialist http://www.hgresaettc.org (478)-374-2240 ext. 116 Office (478)-374-0861 FAX Heart of Georgia RESA ETTC 1141 Cochran Highway Eastman, GA 31023 ************************************************ Please,configure your e-mail to send text only, see http://expita.com/nomime.html ************************************************ If you have received this e-mail in error or you are not the intended recipient, ignore and delete the message immediately. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jun 6 17:03:47 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:03:47 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-->citrix lockups Message-ID: <200506061915.j56JFK526308@downeast.net> Thanks for the comeback..We had contemplated just thta but were concerned that some windows users might lose their regular printers,,regardless, your input is deeply appreciated...chuck > Go to Citrix connection configuration. Double-click ica-tcp. Click on > the button that says client settings. From there you will see a window > with a bunch of check boxes titled 'client mapping overrides.' > > Check the box that says disable client printer mapping. (it sounds like > you may want to check the other overrides also -- drive mapping, com > port, etc) > > No reboot is necessary, although the change will only affect new logins > (not people currently logged in). > > Rusty Pywtorak > CCEA > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:52 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-->citrix lockups > > I have a lab i have a twenty seat lysp lab where heavy use is using > firefox to access citrix ..when a pile of people sign on i get massive > spoolss errors on the windows/citrix side as citrix tries to create > printers..And lockups on the ltsp side until windows gets a brain > again...Anyone come across this??anyone tried the registry hack to stop > windows/citrix from attempting to create these printers??chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 18:07:22 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:07:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rDesktop sound strethed out In-Reply-To: <42A47495.40309@yahoo.com> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <42A47495.40309@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605060611073ee903dd@mail.gmail.com> Hi Vlad, Coming from and audio engineering perspective it sounds as if your sample rates between servers are mismatched. If the sound is also pitched down as well as being stretched then chances of this being the problem are high. Maybe changing the sample rate on the Win servers sound card might fix it. If you can't do that then it would probably entail changing the expected sample rate on the linux sound driver. Although, if you did that it might affect all sounds not just those for Rdesktop. I assume it's set low (maybe 22.5kHz) to cut down on bandwidth. Also, I'm curious what tricks, if any, you did to enable sound on the windows terminal server. I was unable to get it to work, although from what you've said already I think I should install a sound card on the server. Did you do anything special? Thanks, Peter Hartmann On 6/6/05, Vlad Rachinsky wrote: > Hi ! > Does anyone met the problem on the client side with sound from Windows > terminal server > (rDesktop). It strethed (double length) but on the server it works good. > I used New Century Education with Linux client through Remote Desktop. > With LTSP it still unable. > > Vlad Rachinsky, > GHSDistrict, Sacramento, CA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 6 18:14:37 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:14:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Opteron Server Build < 2500.00 In-Reply-To: <1117785911.7437.22.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1117785911.7437.22.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1118081677.8509.34.camel@techstation> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 04:05 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > I've got to do a little more research on the board, I'm not too sure > about the on-board scsi but it is looking good so far. > > http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp? I've also been doing some more shopping, and at Monarch Computers (www.monarchcomputer.com) I speced out a "Deluxe Tower Server" with the same specs as a Penguin computing 1U server I was looking at (GB x2, 4GB RAM, Opteron 248x2, 120GB SATA HDD(/home is elsewhere)) for $2250, almost $1200 less than Penguin wanted... -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon Jun 6 19:00:10 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:00:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolBell Update Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357C9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I was hoping to update SchoolBell on my LTSP server to the latest 1.1 version. However running YUM did not work. Is there another way to do this? Let me know what you think. - Sez -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone using ESIS with the K12LTSP? > > http://www.aalsolutions.com/home.asp?referrer=4Ward+Google > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbetts at msad71.net Mon Jun 6 19:38:00 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:38:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: <1118086234.9341.173.camel@ts.gekl.net> References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> <1118086234.9341.173.camel@ts.gekl.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Couldn't resist posting to the Centre comment. We are in the process of implementing it in my district (Maine Kennebunk/Kennebunkport). We have also developed a standards based tracking program for our students to document their progress on State learning results. The goal is to eventually get them to talk and report together. Using Klahowya and Moodle finish off our present portal. Go open source, its the only way. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 19:41:09 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolBell Update In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357C9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357C9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <92de6c880506061241541cbd31@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/05, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > I was hoping to update SchoolBell on my LTSP server to the latest 1.1 version. However running YUM did not work. Is there another way to do this? Let me know what you think. It's here, Bruce. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.1-k12ltsp.4.2.0.i386.rpm I should have pointed that out in my last email :-) --Tom From sbetts at msad71.net Mon Jun 6 19:43:52 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:43:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cmap In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> <, > <1118086234.9341.173.camel@ts.gekl.net> <,> Message-ID: >From the Boston Globe: The software was designed to literally map out what scientists know in diagram form. The Florida Institute for Human and Machine Cognition is providing the concept mapping software to individual schools as well as training teachers in Panama, the first country adopting Cmaps nationwide. NASA and the Defense Department paid for most of the research. The military uses concept mapping both as a learning tool and to help unlock information from the minds of scientists for use by future generations, said Alberto Canas, the institute's associate director and leading Cmap researcher. "Having a tool that allows the scientist to express that (knowledge) is no different than trying to figure out what little Johnny knows about volcanoes in the fifth grade," Canas said. Cmaps can be used to assess student knowledge, encourage thinking and problem solving instead of rote learning, organize information for writing projects and help teachers write new curricula. "We need to move education from a memorizing system and repetitive system to a dynamic system," said Gaspar Tarte, who is spearheading education reform in Panama as the country's secretary of governmental innovation. "We would like to use tools and a methodology that helps children construct knowledge," Tarte said. "Concept maps was the best tool that we found." A Cmap is a series of concepts, usually nouns, linked by phrases or verbs. Canas cites a simple Cmap on birds as an example. One of several lines radiating from the main concept -- "birds" -- is labeled "have" and links it to such attributes as "beaks," "hollow bones" and "feathers." Another line is labeled "lays" and connects "birds" with "eggs." "It's really saying `birds lay eggs' -- that's a proposition -- `birds have beaks,' `birds have hollow bones,' " Canas said. "So it's knowledge expressed as propositions." The institute's software can be downloaded free for noncommercial use at http://cmap.ihmc.us. The site gets 300 downloads a day, Canas said. Commercial software also is available from private companies. Besides versions for learning and knowledge preservation, the institute has developed Cmaps to serve as Web site browsers. Canas, a native of Costa Rica, was a consultant to Panama's government in the 1990s, but it did not embrace Cmaps until President Martin Torrijos, a Texas A&M University economics graduate, took office last year. Concept mapping now is part of a wider initiative to bring schools into the information age. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 19:50:33 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:50:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rDesktop sound strethed out In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605060611073ee903dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <42A44ABB.7000401@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <42A47495.40309@yahoo.com> <9bd3175605060611073ee903dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A4A909.9030609@yahoo.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: I'm curious what tricks, if any, you did to enable >sound on the windows terminal server. I was unable to get it to work, >although from what you've said already I think I should install a >sound card on the server. Did you do anything special? > >Thanks, >Peter Hartmann > > > >On 6/6/05, Vlad Rachinsky wrote: > > >>Hi ! >>Does anyone met the problem on the client side with sound from Windows >>terminal server >> (rDesktop). It strethed (double length) but on the server it works good. >>I used New Century Education with Linux client through Remote Desktop. >>With LTSP it still unable. >> >>Vlad Rachinsky, >>GHSDistrict, Sacramento, CA >> >> >> Thanks for replay, Peter ! Nothing special. I use esd and it works perfect on the diskless client with wav-files from Linux server. Even the Windows terminal client on LInux server sounds pretty good. The change of sample rate occurs just when audio stream goes from the Windows server to diskless clients trugh Linux server. I think it is not a problem between Window - Linux because on regular (not diskless client) it works good. Vlad. From scott at hosef.org Mon Jun 6 19:53:17 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:53:17 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> <1118086234.9341.173.camel@ts.gekl.net> Message-ID: <42A4A9AD.4010304@hosef.org> Sharon Betts wrote: > Hi all, > Couldn't resist posting to the Centre comment. We are in the process of > implementing it in my district (Maine Kennebunk/Kennebunkport). We have > also developed a standards based tracking program for our students to > document their progress on State learning results. The goal is to > eventually get them to talk and report together. Using Klahowya and > Moodle finish off our present portal. Go open source, its the only way. All FOSS would be nice, but I am addressing an existing installation. Ripping and replacing is not possible. From the AAL site NEW CLIENTS TO AAL AAL is pleased to announce the Hawaii State Department of Education as its newest client. Hawaii has approximately 185,000 students, and will be centrally deployed as a single district. Hawaii currently plans to go to pilot in September of 2004 followed by full rollout in September 2005. Please join us in welcoming Hawaii to the AAL family! > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates --scott From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jun 6 20:06:37 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opteron Server Build < 2500.00 In-Reply-To: <1118081677.8509.34.camel@techstation> References: <1117785911.7437.22.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1118081677.8509.34.camel@techstation> Message-ID: <02D3BFA8-0BF9-465B-806E-538967C196BD@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, you definitely pay for that 1U design. On Jun 6, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 04:05 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > >> I've got to do a little more research on the board, I'm not too sure >> about the on-board scsi but it is looking good so far. >> >> http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp? >> > > I've also been doing some more shopping, and at Monarch Computers > (www.monarchcomputer.com) I speced out a "Deluxe Tower Server" with > the > same specs as a Penguin computing 1U server I was looking at (GB > x2, 4GB > RAM, Opteron 248x2, 120GB SATA HDD(/home is elsewhere)) for $2250, > almost $1200 less than Penguin wanted... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKkrM0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQmjACfWhayvu5IL29zLqIK6CEQQNZ/ kEEAn3DyMg7tsKS7Mp622d/VBADMbf70 =WQW/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Jun 6 23:28:41 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:28:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release Message-ID: <1118100521.5000.39.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Eric Wrote: I uploaded pre-release ISOs of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. I still need to do a lot of testing, but this build *should* be pretty close to production- quality. The ISO images are built on CentOS 4.0. Shortly I will have instructions on installing the K12LTSP 4.2EL packages on Red Hat EL AS4.0. If you are so inclined to help with the quality assurance work, please give this build a spin and report back any issues you run into! ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -Eric Haven't had time to run it through its paces but it loaded just fine on the server I'm lugging up to NELS and I booted a terminal. apt had bad sources list but running yum update fixed that. Not all of the installers for in the additional software folder work but that is usually the case with the beta releases. Looking good so far. That's it for now. John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 7 00:37:43 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:37:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Opteron Server Build < 2500.00 Message-ID: <1118104663.5000.72.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> System building is quite an undertaking. I went to the SuperMicro web site and found the following. http://www.supermicro.com/support/resources/OS/E7501Compatibility.cfm Interesting to see how the different distributions are supported or not on various boards. I went to other board manufactures sites to see if I could find similar matrix's. If they are out there, they are not easy to find. I went to asacomputers.com and had them work up a server for us. I was impressed with the sales rep and the price but it was just a little more than I wanted to spend. I really try to squeeze the most out of my limited budget. This of course comes at the expense of my time but that one of the benefits of liking your job! The school is paying one of our local lug members to work with me on our summer upgrades and he put together a nice server at a great price but just as I was ready to place the order... poof the board is no longer available. Honestly, if I figured the time I spent researching the two servers I built over Christmas and now this one they'd end up being quite expensive. The nice thing is, after this server is built we ought to be set for the next couple of years. Plenty head room to add more terminals as we see fit. Just thinking out loud. John From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Mon Jun 6 22:34:35 2005 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1128.70.144.73.108.1118097275.squirrel@www.mail.haywood.k12.nc.us> > Is anyone using ESIS with the K12LTSP? > > http://www.aalsolutions.com/home.asp?referrer=4Ward+Google > > --scott Scott, I did a preleminary test using k12ltsp a few months ago with no luck. It's not a linux issue because I can access it from my linux laptop with no problem. The state of NC started a state wide rollout of esis last year and we were the first district of many to roll it out http://www.ncwise.org . You do not have to run the jInitiator on linux but do have to have the current java runtime (4.2 ?). It didn't like the date format or something along those lines on initialization. I'm planning on testing again as soon as we are settled back into our offices. We were struck by two floods in a ten day time period last Sept. with 4 feet of water in my sever room. We are just now moving back into our building ( on the second floor this time ;-). michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 7 01:03:30 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:03:30 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xfce and vnc In-Reply-To: <42A46E76.40500@mail.hgresaettc.org> References: <42A46E76.40500@mail.hgresaettc.org> Message-ID: <1118106210.4519.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 11:40 -0400, David M. Rogers wrote: -snip- > I am setting up a tunnel with ssh to secure the connection, but I don't > think that has anything to do with the problem. In fact, when I try to > connect through a linux client I can see the error messages on the > server that says: > xfdesktop: running without session manager. > xfce4-panel: running without session manager. > > My suspicion is that I do not have the vnc xstartup file setup > correctly. Usually I just substitute the last line with: I think your suspicion is probably right - I don't have a ready answer because I have zero experience with vnc. However, the clue is in that error message you tracked down showing that the Xfce session manager is not working with vnc for some reason. If no vnc gurus pop up with an answer here, try the Xfce list 'cause they're a helpful bunch, too. Xfce is great - I've converted from KDE and reclaimed performance on my ageing workstation. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 02:52:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: <1118100521.5000.39.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118100521.5000.39.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Haven't had time to run it through its paces but > it loaded just fine on the server I'm lugging up to NELS > and I booted a terminal. > > apt had bad sources list but running yum update fixed that. I saw that there is a newer apt package out. I'll grab that. > Not all of the installers for in the additional software folder > work but that is usually the case with the beta releases. This should work, I tested them all. Which ones failed on you? I'm working on the FC4 build right now, so I can't re-test... > Looking good so far. > > That's it for now. Thanks for the feedback! -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 02:57:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolBell Update In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357C9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF3357C9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > I was hoping to update SchoolBell on my LTSP server to the latest 1.1 version. However running YUM did not work. Is there another way to do this? Let me know what you think. > > - Sez > As Tom pointed out, it is not in the repositories yet. I'll try to get to rebuilding the repositories tomorrow or Wednesday. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 03:07:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone using ESIS with the K12LTSP? > > http://www.aalsolutions.com/home.asp?referrer=4Ward+Google > > --scott Yes, we have some folks using eSIS w/K12LTSP. A couple of days ago Paul Nelson mentioned to me that it runs better on K12LTSP than it does on Windows. We'll be testing the eSIS 8.0/Oracle 10G beta version real-soon-now. All of us working on it have Linux desktops. -Eric From scott at hosef.org Tue Jun 7 03:21:19 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:21:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> Message-ID: <42A512AF.6090102@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Yes, we have some folks using eSIS w/K12LTSP. A couple of > days ago Paul Nelson mentioned to me that it runs better > on K12LTSP than it does on Windows. Excellent. Thanks, Eric (and Paul). > > We'll be testing the eSIS 8.0/Oracle 10G beta version real-soon-now. > All of us working on it have Linux desktops. I am very interested in hearing about this. Hawaii is putting P4 computers in every classroom in order to give our teachers access to eSIS. I of course smell opportunity, and I want to go to bat something fierce for a conversion of these boxes to terminal servers. Other experiences from various school districts will certainly help. > > -Eric --scott From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 7 04:16:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:16:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release Message-ID: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Eric wrote: This should work, I tested them all. Which ones failed on you? I'm working on the FC4 build right now, so I can't re-test... Thanks for the feedback! -Eric Eric, http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-EL4.2 using mirror: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/ Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: centos4-Base... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: centos4-Updates... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: centos4-extras... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: k12ltsp... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: webmin... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: macromedia... Fetching rpm headers... Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- The following packages you requested were not found: acroread acroread-plugin Done! Press the Enter key to exit Same with java The following packages you requested were not found: jre j2re-plugin John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 05:12:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, John Baillie wrote: > The following packages you requested were not found: > acroread > acroread-plugin > The following packages you requested were not found: > jre > j2re-plugin Yes, there was slight breakage. Should be fixed now. Thanks John! -Eric From dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org Tue Jun 7 11:36:39 2005 From: dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org (David M. Rogers) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:36:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xfce and vnc Solved In-Reply-To: <1118106210.4519.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42A46E76.40500@mail.hgresaettc.org> <1118106210.4519.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42A586C7.9020702@mail.hgresaettc.org> I got it figured out, sorta. Actually I got it working. I decided I was beating my head up against the wall. So I started from scratch. I deleted all the files in ~/.vnc, killed the service and set it up again. When I edited the .vnc file, this is all it contains: #!/bin/sh startxfce4 & I restarted everything and now it is working fine. David Gavin Chester wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 11:40 -0400, David M. Rogers wrote: > > -snip- > > >>I am setting up a tunnel with ssh to secure the connection, but I don't >>think that has anything to do with the problem. In fact, when I try to >>connect through a linux client I can see the error messages on the >>server that says: >>xfdesktop: running without session manager. >>xfce4-panel: running without session manager. >> >>My suspicion is that I do not have the vnc xstartup file setup >>correctly. Usually I just substitute the last line with: > > > I think your suspicion is probably right - I don't have a ready answer > because I have zero experience with vnc. However, the clue is in that > error message you tracked down showing that the Xfce session manager is > not working with vnc for some reason. If no vnc gurus pop up with an > answer here, try the Xfce list 'cause they're a helpful bunch, too. > Xfce is great - I've converted from KDE and reclaimed performance on my > ageing workstation. > -- Thanks, David David M. Rogers, Technical Specialist http://www.hgresaettc.org (478)-374-2240 ext. 116 Office (478)-374-0861 FAX Heart of Georgia RESA ETTC 1141 Cochran Highway Eastman, GA 31023 ************************************************ Please,configure your e-mail to send text only, see http://expita.com/nomime.html ************************************************ If you have received this e-mail in error or you are not the intended recipient, ignore and delete the message immediately. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 7 14:41:57 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:41:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? Message-ID: <1118155317.5000.105.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> When will version 7 of Acrobat be included with K12LTSP? From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 15:02:56 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:02:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving money on memory In-Reply-To: <20050602185521.6669aabb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050602134403.1565f248@localhost.localdomain> <20050602185521.6669aabb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 6/2/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Thursday, Jun 02 Jeff Nelson wrote: > > As for rack-mounted servers, I have two rack servers from ebay, but no > > rack--they're just on a tabletop, and it hasn't ever been any problem, > > aside from being a little bit ugly. > > I've read that rack-mounts are too noisy for a classroom - yes or no? Pretty much so... In fact, all my Dell Servers sound like a jet plane. The Xserves are just as bad! :-) -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 15:39:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:39:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? In-Reply-To: <1118155317.5000.105.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118155317.5000.105.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42A5BFBA.6080001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John Baillie wrote: > When will version 7 of Acrobat be included with K12LTSP? > Probably pretty soon. I've looked at it and there is some work required. Redistribution (as distributed by K12LTSP) is not permitted by the Acrobat 7 license. Adobe offers an rpm, so it should not be too hard to write a wrapper script that downloads the package from Adobe and installs it. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Staff are complaining that > collegues aren't receiving email. > > Upon investigation I've found that our IP address is listed on opm.blitzed.org > and many others which apparently means that some charming people out there are > using our naive school server as a spam machine! > > They say I have to fix my open proxy, and provide information that goes way over > my head. Can anyone provide a simple HOWTO for fixing an open proxy? > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Debbie > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 7 16:54:08 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:54:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice beta 1.9 Message-ID: <1118163248.5000.139.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Anyone care to guesstimate the chances of OpenOffice 2.0 making it out of beta and into K12 by the end of July. I have been using the beta versions for a couple of months now, both Linux and Windows. I haven't found any bugs in the current release that would stop us from standardizing on it in its current state. Has anyone else here using it come across a show stopper? John From accessys at smart.net Tue Jun 7 16:56:02 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice beta 1.9 In-Reply-To: <1118163248.5000.139.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118163248.5000.139.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Anyone care to guesstimate the chances of OpenOffice 2.0 making it out > of beta and into K12 by the end of July. I have been using the beta > versions for a couple of months now, both Linux and Windows. just out of curiosity have they got two things working yet. opening a WordPerfect document. and Reveal codes thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 7 16:59:16 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:59:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050607160023.BC5207343C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050607160023.BC5207343C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1118163556.5000.146.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Eric wrote: > Adobe offers an rpm, so it should not be too hard to write a wrapper > script that downloads the package from Adobe and installs it. > > > -Eric Eric, Have you included the additional software directory as a convenience or is there some K12 specific wizardry going on behind the scenes? I should have phrased the original question differently! I know you can't "include" proprietary software and I assume you even need to be careful with your wording regardless of the method of delivery. John From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:18:08 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:18:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? Message-ID: Hello All, I'm looking to purchase a new server for our K12LTSP system and would like to hear your feed-back about using a 64 bit Intel with HT or a 64 bit AMD with dual core... Eagerly awaiting your thoughts, Jim From pvangundy at sau21.k12.nh.us Tue Jun 7 17:28:51 2005 From: pvangundy at sau21.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:28:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A5D953.40601@sau21.k12.nh.us> Jim, I think you would be just fine with just a regular P4. However, since you want the 64bit technology (which I don't think will be utilized very well by K12LTSP) I would go with the AMD with dual core but either would work fine. -Paul Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm looking to purchase a new server for our K12LTSP system and would > like to hear your feed-back about using a 64 bit Intel with HT or a > 64 bit AMD with dual core... > > Eagerly awaiting your thoughts, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jeffnels at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:37:17 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:37:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: linuxfund.org Message-ID: Does anybody know if there are plans to revive linuxfund.org? They had such a thriving little program going, and then it looks as though they never turned in their paperwork to renew their non-profit license in Oregon as of last July, and then in January the entire site became unavailable and doesn't even come up in a dns lookup. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:49:51 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:49:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: linuxfund.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was able to pull the site up, although it doesn't look like there's been any activity since last summer... On 6/7/05, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Does anybody know if there are plans to revive linuxfund.org? > > They had such a thriving little program going, and then it looks as though > they never turned in their paperwork to renew their non-profit license in > Oregon as of last July, and then in January the entire site became > unavailable and doesn't even come up in a dns lookup. > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 7 18:10:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:10:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: linuxfund.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118167802.32389.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 12:37, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Does anybody know if there are plans to revive linuxfund.org? > > They had such a thriving little program going, and then it looks as > though they never turned in their paperwork to renew their non-profit > license in Oregon as of last July, and then in January the entire site > became unavailable and doesn't even come up in a dns lookup. Recent slashdot article: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/03/1845234&from=rss It would be nice if the Centos distribution could get a cut. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jun 7 18:21:00 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:21:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? Message-ID: Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more than 80 clients at the same time... While also providing NIS and home dirs via nfs. My current system is currently running 45 to 55 clients using IceWm, nis and nfs using a twin mp 2 point something with 4 gigs on one 1gig nic. Man, is RAM cheap right now. Jim, I think you would be just fine with just a regular P4. However, since you want the 64bit technology (which I don't think will be utilized very well by K12LTSP) I would go with the AMD with dual core but either would work fine. -Paul From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 7 19:04:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:04:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice beta 1.9 In-Reply-To: References: <1118163248.5000.139.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42A5EFA2.7090704@maltzen.net> I don't believe either of those are addressed in the new version. Petre Access Systems wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > >>Anyone care to guesstimate the chances of OpenOffice 2.0 making it out >>of beta and into K12 by the end of July. I have been using the beta >>versions for a couple of months now, both Linux and Windows. > > > just out of curiosity have they got two things working yet. > > opening a WordPerfect document. > > and > > Reveal codes > > thanks > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 20:15:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:15:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/7/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more than 80 > clients at the same time... Go dual Opterons. They have built in memory controllers and dedicated memory banks. For 80 clients you will need 8 gigs of ram. So use hugemem kernel in 4.2.1EL or install AMD64 arch. If you go 64 bit you may have problems with binary only browser plugins. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 20:21:39 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:21:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to think out loud: I would have though that it would be more cost-effective, and stable, to get two lesser servers and then use a Samba/LDAP setup for authentication and storage. I also remember hearing about some kind of "collission" errors with that many clients on one system. Don't you feel vulnerable with that many clients on one system? Again, I tend to be known as Scrooge, but the better the technology, typically the more you pay per user. So two servers of lesser technology should perform just as well but at less cost, with the added advantage that if one goes down, you can shuffle all the others to the remaining one--with a performance hit, but at least the system is still accessible...? Steve On 6/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/7/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more than 80 > > clients at the same time... > > Go dual Opterons. They have built in memory controllers and dedicated > memory banks. For 80 clients you will need 8 gigs of ram. So use > hugemem kernel in 4.2.1EL or install AMD64 arch. If you go 64 bit you > may have problems with binary only browser plugins. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 20:35:00 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:35:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: My yum and apt-get repos also seem to be incorrect. Or my dns is not working right. Anyone else have this problem. [root at sandbox ~]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repos Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp [root at sandbox ~]# apt-get update Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386 release Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/os pkglist Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/os release Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/updates pkglist Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/updates release Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/os srclist Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Err http://caos.bladeware.com /caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/updates srclist Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/release Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/pkglist.os Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/release.os Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/pkglist.updates Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/release.updates Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/srclist.os Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Failed to fetch http://caos.bladeware.com//caosity/centos/4.0beta/apt/i386/base/srclist.updates Could not resolve 'caos.bladeware.com' Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done W: Release files for some repositories could not be retrieved or authenticated. Such repositories are being ignored. W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 21:31:46 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:31:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? In-Reply-To: <1118163556.5000.146.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <20050607160023.BC5207343C@hormel.redhat.com> <1118163556.5000.146.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/7/05, John Baillie wrote: > Have you included the additional software directory as a convenience or > is there some K12 specific wizardry going on behind the scenes? > I don't think Eric did cause I can't find pine. In 4.2.1 it's here ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/RPMS/extras/ along with FreeNX. BTW Eric what's the chances of use getting Macromedia Flash player 7 rpm for firefox in non-free? I know it's easy to install but almost everyone needs flash. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 7 22:27:56 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:27:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050607160023.BC5207343C@hormel.redhat.com> <1118163556.5000.146.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42A61F6C.2070907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/7/05, John Baillie wrote: > >>Have you included the additional software directory as a convenience or >>is there some K12 specific wizardry going on behind the scenes? >> > > > I don't think Eric did cause I can't find pine. In 4.2.1 it's here > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/RPMS/extras/ I added the "extras" packages. I still need to do the amd64 packages and the RHEL4 packages... > along with FreeNX. BTW Eric what's the chances of use getting > Macromedia Flash player 7 rpm for firefox in non-free? I know it's > easy to install but almost everyone needs flash. > I can't ship Flash, but MPLUG (Mid-Pacific Linux User's Group) has an agreement with Macromedia to provide RPMS. This repository is included, you can either log in as root and click on "Get additional software" -> "Flash" or from the command line run: /usr/sbin/get.flash -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John From bklinux at verizon.net Wed Jun 8 02:19:55 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:19:55 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and NovaNET Message-ID: <42A655CB.204@verizon.net> Has anyone tried using K12LTSP with the Pearson Digital NovaNET. If so, how do you install the necessary software onto the Terminal Server? Byron Kapali From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 03:38:42 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:38:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: <1118185535.5000.173.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118185535.5000.173.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/7/05, John Baillie wrote: > I had the same result with apt, which I prefer (seems faster). > > I then ran yum update which worked fine. During the yum update I saw mention of apt scroll by. But I can't get yum working either. > > Next time I ran apt it had a new sources list that included mirror.centos.org but not the k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > I ran 'apt-get update' and 'yum update' and neither worked. > Do you want the yum .repo files? Okay. I'll have a look at them. The yum.conf is different from version 3.1.2. I think it points to a url which lists the repos. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jun 8 04:15:44 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:15:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Icons? Message-ID: <1118204144.5000.196.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> When files have been copied via smb gui or downloaded from Firefox I need to refresh the Desktop directory. This is new since I upgraded to FC K12LTSP-4.2 also find it on K12LTSP-4.2EL John From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Wed Jun 8 05:04:19 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:04:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Acrobat 7.0 ? In-Reply-To: <42A61F6C.2070907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050607160023.BC5207343C@hormel.redhat.com> <1118163556.5000.146.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <42A61F6C.2070907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1118207058.13012.21.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 00:27, Eric Harrison wrote: > you can either log in as root and click on "Get additional software" -> > "Flash" or from the command line run: /usr/sbin/get.flash What about a /usr/sbin/get.all that in sequence calls /usr/sbin/get.* to suck all the additionals down to the machine? -- Henning Wangerin From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 09:54:37 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 02:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? Message-ID: <20050608095437.86078.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm just wondering if Eric has added anything to make samba setup especially easy, or if it's all standard FC3 stuff. The reason I'm asking is that I've been successful adding a samba server to a particular network using k12ltsp, but not with ubuntu or knoppix. I'm a novice at Windows integration and I don't know what I'm doing wrong w/ the other distros (the smb.conf files look pretty much the same in all cases). So anyway, for additional samba servers I'm wondering if doing a straight FC3 install will give me the same good results, or is there something in the K12LTSP packaging that has made this easier for a dummy like me. Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 10:10:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop Message-ID: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with that, but I do agree that the default background for the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's mostly black, giving the impression that there's no desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that better suits the expectations of our target audience? I know it seems kind of silly, because the background can easily be changed by the user or the administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a Windows world where many of the users don't know all that much about computers. Many users just want to "get in and drive", and many users judge the quality of their computer and operating system by how nice it looks. Personally, I thought the background that came with the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP 4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had a really nice monitor (and that's what people really want, I think). I don't remember much about it except it was gray and it looked nice. If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they did not throw away those old trident video cards they had laying around for the past 6 years. I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and offer my opinions. What does everybody think? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 8 12:28:12 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:28:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS vs Fedora Message-ID: <42A6E45C.8010602@inlandlakes.org> Just curious, is there a breakdown somewhere regarding "which is better for what scenario" ? I'm preparing for my summer updates, and I don't have a particular hankering to go with one over the other... Insight? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Jun 8 12:47:17 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:47:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS vs Fedora In-Reply-To: <42A6E45C.8010602@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A6E45C.8010602@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200506080847.18022.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday June 8 2005 8:28 am, Shawn Powers wrote: > Just curious, is there a breakdown somewhere regarding "which is better > for what scenario" ? > > I'm preparing for my summer updates, and I don't have a particular > hankering to go with one over the other... > > Insight? > -Shawn Shawn, As CentOS mirrors RHEL AS, it will be supported for a longer period of time. As Fedora is more bleeding-edge, always under development, it tends to be upgraded more frequently. Now that Fedora has been turned over completely to the community, that upgrade process could conceivably quicken. And, the best of Fedora stuff tends to work its way back into RHEL/CentOS. I've been using CentOS 3 for mail, web, file and print , and database serving in a production environment for over a year now with no problems. HTH Dimitri From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jun 8 13:52:04 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:52:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? In-Reply-To: <20050608095437.86078.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050608095437.86078.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A6F804.9040100@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Rob Owens wrote: > I'm just wondering if Eric has added anything to make > samba setup especially easy, or if it's all standard > FC3 stuff. The reason I'm asking is that I've been > successful adding a samba server to a particular > network using k12ltsp, but not with ubuntu or knoppix. > I'm a novice at Windows integration and I don't know > what I'm doing wrong w/ the other distros (the > smb.conf files look pretty much the same in all > cases). > > So anyway, for additional samba servers I'm wondering > if doing a straight FC3 install will give me the same > good results, or is there something in the K12LTSP > packaging that has made this easier for a dummy like > me. > > Thanks > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I've just built a Samba 3 / OpenLDAP server using the brilliant installer that Eric & Matt have created. The initial install took about 30 minute & the script 5 minutes. The only thing I did slightly different was to do a minimal install of FC3 and the used YUM to install the OpenLDAP stuff and the rpm's from the Samba site to get the very latest versions. If you like a copy of my ROUGH notes I made dureing the install let me know and I'll try to get them typed up and mailed over. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jun 8 13:54:57 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:54:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118185535.5000.173.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <8CE381B0-575F-4851-822B-9214C2A4E66C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:38 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I ran 'apt-get update' and 'yum update' and neither worked. > Did you do apt-get update AND apt-get upgrade? Or did you mean that literally? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKm+LEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRKOwCeNhxKzAQJmB72H6RUiSm4TwOt vLgAoIcFkkFp8O3xEQqJlxGiYYVxoFaZ =MEyF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jun 8 14:05:20 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS vs Fedora In-Reply-To: <42A6E45C.8010602@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A6E45C.8010602@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <7362A375-C21B-4899-BBB2-7B075608555A@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would say that CentOS/RHEL would be better for your central file/ auth server. And the FC based K12LTSP for your actual terminal/ application servers. (Most people here with large networks also talk about using something like IPCop for a separate firewall/proxy box.) On Jun 8, 2005, at 7:28 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > Just curious, is there a breakdown somewhere regarding "which is > better for what scenario" ? > > I'm preparing for my summer updates, and I don't have a particular > hankering to go with one over the other... > > Insight? > -Shawn > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKm+yAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQPrACeL/w144dJ8J+JnYjnpJRgL+z5 +S8An0im/6S5Wb2v2b3tQR90G+mebIJI =i2i5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jun 8 14:27:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:27:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Password strength checking with FC3 Message-ID: <42A7003E.4020207@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'm try to workout if Fedora Core 3 uses the pam_cracklib module when users change their passwords from a Windows client via Samba3. I have used David & Matts excellent installer script and everything is working but I'm a little worried staff will use weak passwords when they have the opportunity to change them. I've looked the the files in /etc/pam.d but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Could anyone point me in the right direction (hopefully not the door *grin*), what I'd like to enforce is a min length of 8 and a mixture of upper & lower case. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 8 14:52:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:52:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A70627.6010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I'll check to see how hard it is to change the default background, I don't like it much myself. Odds are pretty low that it will be practical, however. Seemingly little changes like this often become huge development burdens, I try to keep everything "stock" as possible. -Eric Rob Owens wrote: > I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he > chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with > that, but I do agree that the default background for > the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's > mostly black, giving the impression that there's no > desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in > space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be > a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that > better suits the expectations of our target audience? > > I know it seems kind of silly, because the background > can easily be changed by the user or the > administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a > Windows world where many of the users don't know all > that much about computers. Many users just want to > "get in and drive", and many users judge the quality > of their computer and operating system by how nice it > looks. > > Personally, I thought the background that came with > the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP > 4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had > a really nice monitor (and that's what people really > want, I think). I don't remember much about it except > it was gray and it looked nice. > > If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it > should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It > should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just > fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they > did not throw away those old trident video cards they > had laying around for the past 6 years. > > I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try > out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and > offer my opinions. > > What does everybody think? > > -Rob > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From aust_txv at access-k12.org Wed Jun 8 14:58:41 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:58:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Desktop backgrounds...oddly enough the ability for all users to have their own goofy background image has been a HUGE selling point this year in our media center. I just left a group of kids who use the thins over windows PC's for the speed and the small amount of customization ICE allows them (themes and backgrounds) The students love it. I agree some extra background images would not hurt. Maybe a web site like Gnome-look.org but K12OSN-look.org ?? Or just show students Gnome-look.org. Oh another fun thing we do - In our Gnome labs kids enjoy the GDM themes on login. Another project here that I did not get off the ground... Having my imaging classes make a GDM themes or backgrounds as an assignment. I am on the "make it look really cool" band wagon. I'm in. What can I do ? Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 14:59:29 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:59:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A70627.6010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A70627.6010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I think the work with Ubuntu will make a difference in this area. The default desktop background looks "snappy" in Ubuntu from my perspective... On 6/8/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'll check to see how hard it is to change the default background, I > don't like it much myself. > > Odds are pretty low that it will be practical, however. Seemingly little > changes like this often become huge development burdens, I try to keep > everything "stock" as possible. > > -Eric > > Rob Owens wrote: > > I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he > > chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with > > that, but I do agree that the default background for > > the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's > > mostly black, giving the impression that there's no > > desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in > > space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be > > a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that > > better suits the expectations of our target audience? > > > > I know it seems kind of silly, because the background > > can easily be changed by the user or the > > administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a > > Windows world where many of the users don't know all > > that much about computers. Many users just want to > > "get in and drive", and many users judge the quality > > of their computer and operating system by how nice it > > looks. > > > > Personally, I thought the background that came with > > the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP > > 4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had > > a really nice monitor (and that's what people really > > want, I think). I don't remember much about it except > > it was gray and it looked nice. > > > > If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it > > should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It > > should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just > > fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they > > did not throw away those old trident video cards they > > had laying around for the past 6 years. > > > > I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try > > out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and > > offer my opinions. > > > > What does everybody think? > > > > -Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 8 15:06:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:06:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A70627.6010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A70627.6010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1118243210.15960.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 09:52, Eric Harrison wrote: > I'll check to see how hard it is to change the default background, I > don't like it much myself. > > Odds are pretty low that it will be practical, however. Seemingly little > changes like this often become huge development burdens, I try to keep > everything "stock" as possible. I think it would make a lot of people more comfortable if a GUI wrapper replaced the K12Linux-LTSP-initialize script with an assortment of menu selections to control things like dual/single NIC operation, window manager default, and other odds and ends like that. I hate to do stuff like that myself, but maybe you can find a python wizard who could set it up in a way simple enough that it could be easily kept in sync with the scripts that actually do the config work. If you had something like that, you could offer the option to change or put back the default. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 8 15:07:07 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:07:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Tom Ventresco wrote: > Desktop backgrounds...oddly enough the ability for all users to have > their own goofy background image has been a HUGE selling point this year > in our media center. I just left a group of kids who use the thins over > windows PC's for the speed and the small amount of customization ICE > allows them (themes and backgrounds) The students love it. > > I agree some extra background images would not hurt. Maybe a web site > like Gnome-look.org but K12OSN-look.org ?? Or just show students > Gnome-look.org. Oh another fun thing we do - In our Gnome labs kids > enjoy the GDM themes on login. Another project here that I did not get > off the ground... Having my imaging classes make a GDM themes or > backgrounds as an assignment. I am on the "make it look really cool" > band wagon. > > I'm in. What can I do ? > > Tom > "Extra" backgrounds is easy. Changing the default may-or-may-not be easy. There are lots of sources for backgrounds we can use. Paul Nelson hosts a photoblog for schools that is all under the Creative Commons: http://www.oregonphotoblog.org -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Jun 8 15:20:26 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:20:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop Message-ID: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> windows 3.1 ? IceWm has xp as the default skin. http://members.cox.net/luis.montes/xpscreen.jpg In regards to default wallpaper, Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left the default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better able to refresh a plain background accross the network. I could be way off. And if I am, I'm going to encourage that the kids customize there wallpaper next year. Maybe have an exercise where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. Luis > > From: Rob Owens > Date: 2005/06/08 Wed AM 06:10:15 EDT > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop > > I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he > chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with > that, but I do agree that the default background for > the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's > mostly black, giving the impression that there's no > desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in > space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be > a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that > better suits the expectations of our target audience? > > I know it seems kind of silly, because the background > can easily be changed by the user or the > administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a > Windows world where many of the users don't know all > that much about computers. Many users just want to > "get in and drive", and many users judge the quality > of their computer and operating system by how nice it > looks. > > Personally, I thought the background that came with > the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP > 4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had > a really nice monitor (and that's what people really > want, I think). I don't remember much about it except > it was gray and it looked nice. > > If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it > should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It > should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just > fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they > did not throw away those old trident video cards they > had laying around for the past 6 years. > > I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try > out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and > offer my opinions. > > What does everybody think? > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:24:31 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:24:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? In-Reply-To: <42A6F804.9040100@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20050608095437.86078.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A6F804.9040100@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05060808244168d2e9@mail.gmail.com> On 08/06/05, Brian Chivers wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > > I'm just wondering if Eric has added anything to make > > samba setup especially easy, or if it's all standard > > FC3 stuff. The reason I'm asking is that I've been > > successful adding a samba server to a particular > > network using k12ltsp, but not with ubuntu or knoppix. > > I'm a novice at Windows integration and I don't know > > what I'm doing wrong w/ the other distros (the > > smb.conf files look pretty much the same in all > > cases). > > > > So anyway, for additional samba servers I'm wondering > > if doing a straight FC3 install will give me the same > > good results, or is there something in the K12LTSP > > packaging that has made this easier for a dummy like > > me. > > > > Thanks > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > I've just built a Samba 3 / OpenLDAP server using the brilliant installer > that Eric & Matt have created. > > The initial install took about 30 minute & the script 5 minutes. > > The only thing I did slightly different was to do a minimal install of FC3 > and the used YUM to > install the OpenLDAP stuff and the rpm's from the Samba site to get the > very latest versions. > > If you like a copy of my ROUGH notes I made dureing the install let me > know and I'll try to get them > typed up and mailed over. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > What is the benefit of using Samba3&OpenLDAP over using Active Directory? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Wed Jun 8 15:28:33 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:28:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Harrison wrote: | Tom Ventresco wrote: | |> Desktop backgrounds...oddly enough the ability for all users to have |> their own goofy background image has been a HUGE selling point this year |> in our media center. I just left a group of kids who use the thins over |> windows PC's for the speed and the small amount of customization ICE |> allows them (themes and backgrounds) The students love it. |> |> I agree some extra background images would not hurt. Maybe a web site |> like Gnome-look.org but K12OSN-look.org ?? Or just show students |> Gnome-look.org. Oh another fun thing we do - In our Gnome labs kids |> enjoy the GDM themes on login. Another project here that I did not get |> off the ground... Having my imaging classes make a GDM themes or |> backgrounds as an assignment. I am on the "make it look really cool" |> band wagon. |> |> I'm in. What can I do ? |> |> Tom |> | | "Extra" backgrounds is easy. Changing the default may-or-may-not be easy. | | There are lots of sources for backgrounds we can use. Paul Nelson hosts | a photoblog for schools that is all under the Creative Commons: | http://www.oregonphotoblog.org | | -Eric I don't know about KDE, but changing the default GNOME background should be pretty easy and can be done using gconftool-2 by applying a new schema. It should also be possible to write the value directly to the "default source" if having multiple schemas applying to a single key doesn't work well. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpw6h/qs2NkWy11sRAo9kAJ0S/iOptYD71zwxK3Rm/BQu06ZpNgCgronL MKxleSzJPxTPjD3vaBFnZGc= =lZ5g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aahodson at episd.org Wed Jun 8 15:31:43 2005 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:31:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release BOOT Message-ID: Hi folks I D/loaded and burned isos for the Centos version, but haven't had much luck getting disk 1 to boot. I first tried the disk by itself - it doesn't boot Then I tried using the last fedora boot - naturally it looks for fedora = no go Then I looked for a boot image inside the first disk, found one- burned a small CD with and tried it again. The Centos boot splash screen comes up, but once it asks for the location (CD-ROM) it will not recognize the disks: Centos 4.0 CD was not found in any of the CD drives. Tried and to cover possible hardware issues to no avail... Suggestions welcomed! Thanks Alan Hodson TIS/El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jun 8 15:54:54 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:54:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student desktop wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20050608145930.540A673C38@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050608145930.540A673C38@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1118246094.5000.210.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Changing wallpaper and themes has been very popular here also and is perceived as one of the benefits of k12ltsp. But some of the teachers are starting to complain. A few students are always wanting to push the envelope in regards to "appropriate" wallpaper. The same old story, a few messing it up for the many. I have been thinking of populating and using gallery and restricting students from using any other wallpaper. It would be wonderful if there was a way for students to submit requests and a teacher approval method where placing a check would add it to the approved gallery. John From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 8 15:56:03 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:56:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42A71513.3000203@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > "Extra" backgrounds is easy. Changing the default may-or-may-not be easy. For a single install, you could always find where the default *file* lives, and replace it after the install with whatever you want. It's a kludge, and obviously not possible for distribution stuff -- but for an individual install it's a very simple solution to giving the desired default picture to everyone. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Jun 8 20:29:49 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:29:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel Message-ID: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> Is it possible to block "http tunnel" and "ssh tunnel" created by students on Windows desktop PCs? The Internet traffic of the Window desktops are going through K12LTSP server and HTTP traffic is filtered by Dansguardian. The tunnels can override the filter! Thank you, Marian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 19:46:01 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:46:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel In-Reply-To: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050608124637a249dd@mail.gmail.com> If it were me, I'd do the following. 1) Install Snort on the K12 server. Launch a HTTP tunnel yourself and watch the traffic using snort. 2) Configure snort to watch for that signature. 3) Arrange for it to drop the log file into an e-mail hourly, daily or weekly, depending on how often it's happening. 4) Enable "login recording" (I can't remember the exact local policy option - I can look it up for you if needed) on the Windows PC 5) Confront the user who was logged in at the time in a subtle manner first (such as, look kid - the rules are there for a reason) then the heavier handed approach (do you want me to bring in your parents) followed by the sledgehammer (OK, let's see the headmaster) and if that doesn't work get the police (there's probably some sort of "Misuse of computing" laws? perhaps if you speak to the officers and let them know that you initially want to frighten the lad into behaving, and if that's doesn't work, you'll want to start the formal route) Remember, most of the best white hats started as black hats - if you teach this kid the meaning of right and wrong now (and most importantly, this stuff can be monitored) then hopefully, he'll ease off. Perhaps if you show him how you caught him, he'll show more interest in the legitimate side of this game? And of course, it's not necessarily a guy - I'm just using the male gender for illustration purposes. Regards, Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs. On 08/06/05, M.Pribik wrote: > > Is it possible to block "http tunnel" and "ssh tunnel" created by students > on Windows desktop PCs? The Internet traffic of the Window desktops are > going through K12LTSP server and HTTP traffic is filtered by Dansguardian. > The tunnels can override the filter! > Thank you, Marian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jun 8 17:50:23 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:50:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release BOOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A72FDF.6030201@msln.net> Alan, A few questions, 1 Did you check the md5sums on the isos you down loaded? 2. Did you do a media check on the disks you burned? Mark Alan Hodson wrote: >Hi folks > >I D/loaded and burned isos for the Centos version, but haven't had much >luck getting disk 1 to boot. > >I first tried the disk by itself - it doesn't boot >Then I tried using the last fedora boot - naturally it looks for fedora >= no go >Then I looked for a boot image inside the first disk, found one- burned >a small CD with and tried it again. The Centos boot splash screen comes >up, but once it asks for the location (CD-ROM) it will not recognize the >disks: Centos 4.0 CD was not found in any of the CD drives. >Tried and to cover possible hardware >issues to no avail... >Suggestions welcomed! >Thanks > >Alan Hodson >TIS/El Paso ISD, TX >http://links.episd.org/ >-=o=- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 18:33:47 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:33:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student desktop wallpaper In-Reply-To: <1118246094.5000.210.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <20050608145930.540A673C38@hormel.redhat.com> <1118246094.5000.210.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/8/05, John Baillie wrote: > Changing wallpaper and themes has been very popular here also and is > perceived as one of the benefits of k12ltsp. > > But some of the teachers are starting to complain. > > A few students are always wanting to push the envelope in regards to > "appropriate" wallpaper. The same old story, a few messing it up for > the many. A technical solution to a social problem will never be complete. It's better to just boot the students for a week or two if they use something inappropriate. A comparison would be if they were using inappropriate book covers or posted an inappropriate picture on their locker. You would discipline the student, not try to make it impossible to put a picture on their lockers. :-) -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 8 16:40:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:40:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05060808244168d2e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01c56c48$bf7247b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What is the benefit of using Samba3&OpenLDAP over using Active Directory? No pricey cals and windows licensing, plus an open backend that is able to tie to other systems. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 20:15:38 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:15:38 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations In-Reply-To: <1118246412.7239.36.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FE8@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <1118246412.7239.36.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: As per the thoughtful Henry Burroughs.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Henry Burroughs Date: Jun 8, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations To: Steve Hargadon Steve, The reason it may not have showed up is because of gconf... did you try another user for the default/mandatory settings when the other user didn't change? It might be a stale gconf process (a purge_user / Where is just a number given to that object (if you specify one a user has, your's become priority over it when they log back in) and the 3 you need are: display_name "Share name" icon gnome-vs-share uri "file:///tmp/" So to set it for the above example (I'm going to abbreviate the gconftool-2 beginning command for my sanity): GCONFTOOL="gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/" $GCONFTOOL --type string --set /desktop/gnome/connected_servers/1/display_name "Share name" $GCONFTOOL --type string --set /desktop/gnome/connected_servers/1/icon "gnome-fs-share" $GCONFTOOL --type string --set /desktop/gnome/connected_servers/1/uri "file:///tmp/" Then when you log back in for any user, they will have an icon under "Computer" to take them to that share (ie: /tmp). You can create your own for your own user easier by going to "Computer", and then clicking on File->Connect to Server (you can setup ftp, samba, etc this way). I'm working on a way using local device support and autofs to automount the local drives (I've gotten that part functional now.. I didn't like the original way it was done mounting to the user's home directory... it left too many dangling mounts and that drove me nuts). Next I'm integrating a "My Disks" or "Removable Disks" entry for all users to access their local drives from right under "Computer"! I might have it done by the time for the Northeast Linux Symposium... Fun fun! Mmm... wine and cheese....fondue....mmmmm...... Of course I'll wikifi anything I do. If it's ok with you, could you forward this on to the list so it might help anyone else? Take it easy Steve and good luck, Henry On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:15, Steve Hargadon wrote: I rebooted the server one more time (I'm sure there is a service I could restart, but I couldn't find it...), and the image took. So only question #2 is unanswered... Hope I'm not imposing. Steve ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Hargadon Date: Jun 7, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations To: HBurroughs at hhprep.org Have you got any advice for me? I ran the code for changing to a mandatory desktop background, and 1. While the background is now locked, it doesn't show the file I specified--just a blank background. Does the file need to be in a certain directory, or specified in a certain way? Does it need quotes or anything around it? 2. Is there a way to remove the mandatory or default value for *all* users, and not just one at a time, as the documentation seems to indicate? On 3/10/05, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Sez, > > If you are using GNOME, you can set many defaults via GCONF. > This is for Gnome 2.6, but I think it will work for 2.8. > http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch01.html > > Look in the section titled "To Set Background Preferences" for an idea how to set the background for all users (I've done that before). Basically, you can make certain settings mandatory for all users via gconf. You can even not make things mandatory, but change the defaults. Good luck! > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > Hilton Head Island, SC > www.hhprep.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Selzler, Bruce [mailto:SelzlerB at esuhsd.org] > Sent: Mon 3/7/2005 10:15 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Cc: > Subject: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations > Hello Team, > > I have a couple of questions. First, is there a way to set up defaults > on the LTSP server that will be mirrored on all of the workstations? > I'm thinking of desktop backgrounds, Firefox favorites, menu bars, that > sort of thing. I would like every user to have a common desktop, > favorites, etc. > > And once you have those set, is there a way to "lock" those in place? > We use Deep Freeze on Windows, so if a student puts something > inappropriate as a desktop background, or puts inappropriate links in > the favorites a simple restart puts everything back to its original > settings. I'd like to be able to do something similar with LTSP. > > Any thoughts? > > - Sez > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 8 20:54:01 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:54:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question regarding LDAP Message-ID: <20CF6409-F0FC-4A87-8159-5ACCFDF7940D@inlandlakes.org> I have been "gonna" install LDAP in our district for 2 years now, but I've always stuck with NIS, because it *just works* -- the new LDAP scripts I've heard about, do they really make it not-too-difficult to set up LDAP authentication that allows users to change passwords, etc? Since it's summer, I want to reconfigure lots of things, and having a centralized addressbook would be a nice add-on feature. I'll admit, I'm hesitant to leave the security of NIS, but I think it might be the right time to make the switch. I don't really need to have windows active directory compatibility (thanks to pgina!) -- but there might be other reasons that make it worth while. Lastly, does any one know if ipcop/dansguardian combination will authenticate against an openLDAP server? Thanks again, -Shawn From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Jun 8 22:27:25 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:27:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel References: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> <96df2e0b050608124637a249dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c56c79$3f3d9410$0100a8c0@Marian> This one is possible, but I would like to prefere some kind of blocks, maybe into iptables? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Spriggs To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel If it were me, I'd do the following. 1) Install Snort on the K12 server. Launch a HTTP tunnel yourself and watch the traffic using snort. 2) Configure snort to watch for that signature. 3) Arrange for it to drop the log file into an e-mail hourly, daily or weekly, depending on how often it's happening. 4) Enable "login recording" (I can't remember the exact local policy option - I can look it up for you if needed) on the Windows PC 5) Confront the user who was logged in at the time in a subtle manner first (such as, look kid - the rules are there for a reason) then the heavier handed approach (do you want me to bring in your parents) followed by the sledgehammer (OK, let's see the headmaster) and if that doesn't work get the police (there's probably some sort of "Misuse of computing" laws? perhaps if you speak to the officers and let them know that you initially want to frighten the lad into behaving, and if that's doesn't work, you'll want to start the formal route) Remember, most of the best white hats started as black hats - if you teach this kid the meaning of right and wrong now (and most importantly, this stuff can be monitored) then hopefully, he'll ease off. Perhaps if you show him how you caught him, he'll show more interest in the legitimate side of this game? And of course, it's not necessarily a guy - I'm just using the male gender for illustration purposes. Regards, Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs. On 08/06/05, M.Pribik wrote: Is it possible to block "http tunnel" and "ssh tunnel" created by students on Windows desktop PCs? The Internet traffic of the Window desktops are going through K12LTSP server and HTTP traffic is filtered by Dansguardian. The tunnels can override the filter! Thank you, Marian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 21:57:07 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:57:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > My yum and apt-get repos also seem to be incorrect. Or my dns is not > working right. Anyone else have this problem. > > [root at sandbox ~]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repos > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > Found my problem. I did not set my http_proxy environment setting in my terminal. Everything works now. export http_proxy=http://proxy.address:port I checked my 3.1.2 server and I put this line into my /etc/profile file so it was always valid. Maybe I should have created a file in /etc/profile.d and called it proxy.sh then made it executable. That would probably be cleaner I think. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 22:18:47 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:18:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel In-Reply-To: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: On 6/8/05, M.Pribik wrote: > > Is it possible to block "http tunnel" and "ssh tunnel" created by students > on Windows desktop PCs? The Internet traffic of the Window desktops are > going through K12LTSP server and HTTP traffic is filtered by Dansguardian. > The tunnels can override the filter! > Thank you, Marian > Try changing the default port of ssh from 22 to something above 3000. Just edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and make sure it's not readable by users. I think by default it should be 600. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Wed Jun 8 22:00:24 2005 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing ESIS In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A31A.6080604@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1906.65.1.235.11.1118268024.squirrel@www.mail.haywood.k12.nc.us> > > Yes, we have some folks using eSIS w/K12LTSP. A couple of > days ago Paul Nelson mentioned to me that it runs better > on K12LTSP than it does on Windows. > > We'll be testing the eSIS 8.0/Oracle 10G beta version real-soon-now. > All of us working on it have Linux desktops. > > -Eric > Eric,Paul, Can I get details on your use of k12ltsp and esis. k12tsp version, etc.. I was and still am using ver. 3.1.2 when I ran the "test" last fall. Our last day of school was just last week and we are gearing up our summer projects and I'd like to get this working. Thanks, Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jun 8 23:44:53 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:44:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Question regarding LDAP Message-ID: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> Shawn: let me just ask if you need to chop up your sers by school and by class of graduation..This is what i been working on eith my scripts..got a minmal machine to experiment with??chuck > I have been "gonna" install LDAP in our district for 2 years now, but > I've always stuck with NIS, because it *just works* -- the new LDAP > scripts I've heard about, do they really make it not-too-difficult to > set up LDAP authentication that allows users to change passwords, etc? > > Since it's summer, I want to reconfigure lots of things, and having a > centralized addressbook would be a nice add-on feature. I'll admit, > I'm hesitant to leave the security of NIS, but I think it might be > the right time to make the switch. > > I don't really need to have windows active directory compatibility > (thanks to pgina!) -- but there might be other reasons that make it > worth while. > > Lastly, does any one know if ipcop/dansguardian combination will > authenticate against an openLDAP server? > > Thanks again, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From harish.pillay at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 00:10:29 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:10:29 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Question regarding LDAP In-Reply-To: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> References: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> Message-ID: Perhaps you might want to explore the Fedora Directroy Server that was relased earlier last week. It was the Netscape Directory Server acquired by Red Hat last year and now released as a GPLed, open sourced product. It is an enterprise grade directory server with easy management interfaces (via GUIs). Harish On 6/9/05, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Shawn: let me just ask if you need to chop up your sers by school and by > class of graduation..This is what i been working on eith my scripts..got a > minmal machine to experiment with??chuck > > I have been "gonna" install LDAP in our district for 2 years now, but > > I've always stuck with NIS, because it *just works* -- the new LDAP > > scripts I've heard about, do they really make it not-too-difficult to > > set up LDAP authentication that allows users to change passwords, etc? > > > > Since it's summer, I want to reconfigure lots of things, and having a > > centralized addressbook would be a nice add-on feature. I'll admit, > > I'm hesitant to leave the security of NIS, but I think it might be > > the right time to make the switch. > > > > I don't really need to have windows active directory compatibility > > (thanks to pgina!) -- but there might be other reasons that make it > > worth while. > > > > Lastly, does any one know if ipcop/dansguardian combination will > > authenticate against an openLDAP server? > > > > Thanks again, > > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu Jun 9 01:31:39 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:31:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation Message-ID: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List, Does anyone have a recomendation to a decent screen reorder/capture program for Linux for "tutorial" purposes? I tryed gvidcap but never could get the app to work at all:(... Open to any suggestions/comments. Thanks,, Barry From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 9 01:30:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:30:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? Message-ID: <200506090341.j593fa220029@downeast.net> so many programs are designed to tie into an ldap directory for authenticatiom..moodle comes to mind immediately..lots of email proggies.. chuck > > What is the benefit of using Samba3&OpenLDAP over using Active > Directory? > > No pricey cals and windows licensing, plus an open backend that is able > to tie to other systems. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 9 02:06:20 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:06:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question regarding LDAP In-Reply-To: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> References: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> Message-ID: <8638FBAD-7F39-490D-81B8-C0F810F577DE@inlandlakes.org> On Jun 8, 2005, at 11:44 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Shawn: let me just ask if you need to chop up your sers by school > and by > class of graduation.. It would be a really nice thing -- but I hadn't thought about it really. I currently have /home split up into graduating years like / home/2010/student_name -- and it sounded a lot more useful than it has proven to be. I wish I'd have just left them all in /home, it would have kept things simpler. > This is what i been working on eith my scripts..got a > minmal machine to experiment with??chuck Heck, it's summer (starting Friday) -- I have a mondo machine to experiment with. :) -Shawn From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Jun 9 02:30:08 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:30:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Interview with Linus Torvalds Message-ID: <42A7A9B0.1030109@riverdale.k12.or.us> Hello Folks, We had a cool guest visit us at Riverdale. You can read the interview posted by Anthony, a freshman in my Newspaper class on our school newspaper-blog at: http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/maverick/ ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 9 02:58:11 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:58:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation In-Reply-To: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <20050608215811.376d764a@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 08 Barry R Cisna wrote: > Does anyone have a recomendation to a decent screen reorder/capture > program for Linux for "tutorial" purposes? > I tryed gvidcap but never could get the app to work at all:(... > Open to any suggestions/comments. Here's a Newsforge article with some ideas. Today's Linux screen capture technology: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/16/2128226 Or, if using Windows isn't excluded, there's a video tutorial on making video tutorials at: http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Miscellaneous.477.0.html -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From robark at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 04:13:07 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:13:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: Eric, what type of things do you want us to test/QA ? Any particular packages or functionality? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 04:43:38 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:43:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd31756050608214319277380@mail.gmail.com> If you go 64 bit you > may have problems with binary only browser plugins Would that be true even if you used a 32 bit firefox? Thanks, Peter On 6/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/7/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more than 80 > > clients at the same time... > > Go dual Opterons. They have built in memory controllers and dedicated > memory banks. For 80 clients you will need 8 gigs of ram. So use > hugemem kernel in 4.2.1EL or install AMD64 arch. If you go 64 bit you > may have problems with binary only browser plugins. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From genfil at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 05:19:12 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:19:12 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hang on logout Message-ID: Please help me out. Our K12ltsp server crash somtimes when some logout. Its happening more and more often. Any suggestion how i can trace this problem. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 9 06:21:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Eric, what type of things do you want us to test/QA ? Any particular > packages or functionality? Test what is important to you, obviously. Here is my general list: * Installer (did it work at all? right packages loaded? etc) * Upgrades (off both the CDs and via apt/up2date/yum) * Apt/up2date/yum repositories * All of the packages listed by this command: (tests vary by package) rpm -qa | grep k12ltsp -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 9 06:26:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050608214319277380@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050608214319277380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > If you go 64 bit you >> may have problems with binary only browser plugins > > Would that be true even if you used a 32 bit firefox? Binary plugins are not a problem if you use a 32 bit firefox. On the other hand, this creates a new problem: installing a 32 bit firefox ;-) Hmm, now that I think about it, a few tweaks to the apt/yum repository might make this pretty easy to do. I won't have access to my test servers until Monday, I'll send myself a note to try this next week. -Eric > Thanks, > Peter > > On 6/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 6/7/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>> Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more than 80 >>> clients at the same time... >> >> Go dual Opterons. They have built in memory controllers and dedicated >> memory banks. For 80 clients you will need 8 gigs of ram. So use >> hugemem kernel in 4.2.1EL or install AMD64 arch. If you go 64 bit you >> may have problems with binary only browser plugins. >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 9 06:37:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Shahms King wrote: > I don't know about KDE, but changing the default GNOME background should > be pretty easy and can be done using gconftool-2 by applying a new > schema. It should also be possible to write the value directly to the > "default source" if having multiple schemas applying to a single key > doesn't work well. Hmmm, that might do the trick. A nice little script that set the default background. It could even have an icon on the desktop like the "Push new icons" script and the admin user could just drag-and- drop a new default background. I'll play around with gconftool-2 to see if I can get it to do this. >From the man page, it looks like this will do the trick: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" (where $1 = the desired image) -Eric From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 07:03:52 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:03:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel In-Reply-To: <001101c56c79$3f3d9410$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <000c01c56c68$dade5690$0100a8c0@Marian> <96df2e0b050608124637a249dd@mail.gmail.com> <001101c56c79$3f3d9410$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0506090003f3e5134@mail.gmail.com> I sent this direct to Marian, so have re-sent it to the list. How about... using snort to see where he's going, then use IPTables to drop that host. See, the problem with trying to block this stuff is that there's a HUGE list of available servers. Maybe he's connecting to his home machine - in which case, dropping that address will stop him, but if he's connecting to a public server, then you'll never stop him unless you connect to http://www.httport.com and get the list of the public servers. It might also be worth watching some http tunnel traffic and crafting your IP tables around that. I'm sorry I can't be more help than this, but I've never had to block http tunnel traffic, I've just used it... Regards, Jon On 08/06/05, M.Pribik wrote: > > This one is possible, but I would like to prefere some kind of blocks, > maybe into iptables? > Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jon Spriggs > *To:* Support list for opensource software in schools. > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:46 PM > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Blocking http tunnel and ssh tunnel > > If it were me, I'd do the following. > 1) Install Snort on the K12 server. Launch a HTTP tunnel yourself and > watch the traffic using snort. > 2) Configure snort to watch for that signature. > 3) Arrange for it to drop the log file into an e-mail hourly, daily or > weekly, depending on how often it's happening. > 4) Enable "login recording" (I can't remember the exact local policy > option - I can look it up for you if needed) on the Windows PC > 5) Confront the user who was logged in at the time in a subtle manner > first (such as, look kid - the rules are there for a reason) then the > heavier handed approach (do you want me to bring in your parents) followed > by the sledgehammer (OK, let's see the headmaster) and if that doesn't work > get the police (there's probably some sort of "Misuse of computing" laws? > perhaps if you speak to the officers and let them know that you initially > want to frighten the lad into behaving, and if that's doesn't work, you'll > want to start the formal route) > Remember, most of the best white hats started as black hats - if you > teach this kid the meaning of right and wrong now (and most importantly, > this stuff can be monitored) then hopefully, he'll ease off. > Perhaps if you show him how you caught him, he'll show more interest in > the legitimate side of this game? > And of course, it's not necessarily a guy - I'm just using the male > gender for illustration purposes. > Regards, > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs. > > On 08/06/05, M.Pribik wrote: > > > > Is it possible to block "http tunnel" and "ssh tunnel" created by > > students on Windows desktop PCs? The Internet traffic of the Window desktops > > are going through K12LTSP server and HTTP traffic is filtered by > > Dansguardian. The tunnels can override the filter! > > Thank you, Marian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > -- > Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jun 9 08:35:49 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:35:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <200506090835.49893.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 08 June 2005 15:20, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > In regards to default wallpaper, > Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left the > default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better able to > refresh a plain background accross the network. I could be way off. And if > I am, I'm going to encourage that the kids customize there wallpaper next > year. Maybe have an exercise where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. I can't comment on bandwidth but our students would spend the first 10 minutes of a lesson fiddling with their wallpaper, looking for the latest car mostly or finding nudey-rudey pictures. The teachers asked us if we could lock down the desktop so they it couldn't be changed, and we did just that. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jun 9 09:28:03 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:28:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] is k12ltsp samba setup same as FC3? In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05060808244168d2e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050608095437.86078.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A6F804.9040100@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <96df2e0b05060808244168d2e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A80BA3.6020709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> > > What is the benefit of using Samba3&OpenLDAP over using Active Directory? > > -- It's not Microsoft, so your not making them any richer. On a serious note I find it a lot less hassle looking after my Linux box against the few Windose servers I have, also the horsepower you need in the servers is a lot less. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jun 9 09:47:47 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:47:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Question regarding LDAP In-Reply-To: <8638FBAD-7F39-490D-81B8-C0F810F577DE@inlandlakes.org> References: <200506090156.j591u9204862@downeast.net> <8638FBAD-7F39-490D-81B8-C0F810F577DE@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42A81043.3050204@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Shawn Powers wrote: > On Jun 8, 2005, at 11:44 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> Shawn: let me just ask if you need to chop up your sers by school and by >> class of graduation.. > > > It would be a really nice thing -- but I hadn't thought about it > really. I currently have /home split up into graduating years like / > home/2010/student_name -- and it sounded a lot more useful than it has > proven to be. I wish I'd have just left them all in /home, it would > have kept things simpler. > >> This is what i been working on eith my scripts..got a >> minmal machine to experiment with??chuck > > > Heck, it's summer (starting Friday) -- I have a mondo machine to > experiment with. :) > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I'm in the same boat. We currently have a mixture of NIS & Samba 2.2x but I'm moving the main server to Samba3 / OpenLDAP. I was worried about getting the other servers to talk to LDAP for there login info etc but after setting up a test network I found it was really easy. The other servers are a mixture of RH9 & Suse 9.x. For the Suse 9.x boxes it was just a matter of going into YAST and going to the relevent section and turn it on. The RH9 box's took a little bit nore as I had to install a couple of RPM's off the install CD but once that was done went into authconfig and setup the LDAP stuff and it just worked. I'm in the process of moving all the users over to the new server but there are even scripts to do this automagically for you. I'm not using these as I'm taking the opportunity to weed out some old accounts and groups and having a fresh start. The `smbldap-bulkadd` script makes it really easy to add student's and with the changes Matt has made you can use seperate home directories per user. We've got ours setup per tutor group so like this \home_student\tutorgroup\username Makes it so much quicker to move around, waiting for 4500 account to scroll past is a real pain *grin* We haven't tried the Global Addressbook yet but doesn't look too hard to setup. The key thing I've found is finding a GUI that you feel comfortable using. I use a mixture as of Windows (yes my desktop in a doze machine) and web based stuff. On the web based stuff it's worth looking at LAM and the Idealx Samba Console on the Doze side I use Jxplorer or Softerra LDAP Browser 2.6. Both of these are free. The web based stuff LAM is really easy to use, setup can be a bit fiddly but once it's running is really nice. I also have helped the creator of the Idealx Samba Console testing a few things on FC3 and it's really good again setup offers a few `Gotcha's` but I've got it working one both my test system and the main production system (I actually built the rpm's that you can download for FC3 from sourceforge). If you want a really amazing web based tool for LDAP with loads of bells & whistles look at GOSA, I didn't use it in the end as you have to do a bit a alterations to get it working such as adding schema's to all the users to get it working but once it's working it's really polished & flashy Overall I think it's a good move. If you'd like more info feel free to contact me. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:06:07 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 03:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation In-Reply-To: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <20050609100607.56613.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> the only one I've ever used is ksnapshot and it seems to work fine, but I didn't use it very much. -Rob --- Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a recomendation to a decent > screen reorder/capture > program for Linux for "tutorial" purposes? > I tryed gvidcap but never could get the app to > work at all:(... > Open to any suggestions/comments. > > Thanks,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:56:07 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:56:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation In-Reply-To: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: On 6/8/05, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Does anyone have a recomendation to a decent screen reorder/capture > program for Linux for "tutorial" purposes? > I tryed gvidcap but never could get the app to work at all:(... > Open to any suggestions/comments. I use my Mac, X11, and Ambrosia Software Snapz Pro. You could probably do the same thing with Windows and VNC and some sort of Windows capture solution. The nice thing about using the Mac is I can also use Microsoft Remote Desktop, connect to my W2k3 Terminal Server, and do Windows screen captures. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 9 13:06:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:06:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation In-Reply-To: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <1118322381.2384.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 20:31, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a recomendation to a decent screen reorder/capture > program for Linux for "tutorial" purposes? > I tryed gvidcap but never could get the app to work at all:(... > Open to any suggestions/comments. You should be able to hit print-screen in gnome and get a prompt to save the image. I saw a recommendation earlier (perhaps on this list) for http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ to build flash animations and tutorials from screen shots. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From accessys at smart.net Thu Jun 9 13:11:27 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <200506090835.49893.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <200506090835.49893.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Wednesday 08 June 2005 15:20, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > > > In regards to default wallpaper, > > Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left the > > default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better able to > > refresh a plain background accross the network. I could be way off. And if > > I am, I'm going to encourage that the kids customize there wallpaper next > > year. Maybe have an exercise where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. > > I can't comment on bandwidth but our students would spend the first 10 minutes > of a lesson fiddling with their wallpaper, looking for the latest car mostly > or finding nudey-rudey pictures. The teachers asked us if we could lock down > the desktop so they it couldn't be changed, and we did just that. maybe give the kids a single 10-15 minute window once a month or so to play with wallpaper, then lock it down with what they have... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From shahms at shahms.com Thu Jun 9 14:36:00 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:36:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> Message-ID: <42A853D0.7090301@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Harrison wrote: | On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Shahms King wrote: | |> I don't know about KDE, but changing the default GNOME background should |> be pretty easy and can be done using gconftool-2 by applying a new |> schema. It should also be possible to write the value directly to the |> "default source" if having multiple schemas applying to a single key |> doesn't work well. | | | Hmmm, that might do the trick. A nice little script that set the | default background. It could even have an icon on the desktop like | the "Push new icons" script and the admin user could just drag-and- | drop a new default background. | | I'll play around with gconftool-2 to see if I can get it to do this. | |> From the man page, it looks like this will do the trick: | | | gconftool-2 --type string --set | /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" | | | (where $1 = the desired image) | | -Eric Sadly, that will only set the desktop for the user running the command. ~ However, it is possible to change the default both locally (GConf ships configured to include local sources, if they're found) and "scriptically". Poking around on the Red Hat site, the following should work: # gconftool-2 --direct --config-source \ ~ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults \ ~ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type string --set \ ~ /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCqFPQ/qs2NkWy11sRAk+yAJ41LNScNC0ThKb+1zapOmRTSNTTjQCfeVun cqrnchy33oOVAI7EEIhY69E= =yzC5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Jun 9 15:12:48 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:12:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATA Raid controler Message-ID: This is off topic but i could use some feedback from you who have played around with this controler. I'm using K12ltsp v4.2.0 Linux recognises the chipset and loads the driver. Bios enable the onboard controler and has created a raid1 from two disks. If i down the server and i disconnect one of the drives and power back up, linux detects the failed drive and keeps going. Sa far so good. Here's the problem, when we write a file (any file) to the raid (both disks up and running) and then check if the file is available on separate disks, the file is absent on the second disk of the array. The feiling we get is that Linux is ignoring the hardware raid and talking straight to the first disk. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mll at mtwp.net Thu Jun 9 15:19:37 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:19:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware, DHCP and Multiple Kernels Message-ID: <42A85E09.9000805@mtwp.net> Hi All, We are a Netware shop (v6.0), and we use it for all of our internal fileservers, authentication and DHCP servers. K12LTSP plays nicely with all three of those services! Now the question: I've successfully tested PPC (Macs) and Intel computers acting as terminals connected to the same server - very cool. To make that work, I had to use DHCP services on the LTSP box so that it could send the correct kernel to the terminal. Is it possible to configure a Netware DHCP server to intelligently hand out the correct kernel? One solution is to move all DHCP services to Linux, but if I can avoid disrupting the current stable DHCP setup, that would be best. All ideas are welcome! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 17:16:38 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609171639.33619.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMD Dual Core is better. 1. HT really isn't 2 real processors, so you can only get 30% - 50% performance increase with software HT aware. Basically how HT works is that there is the main(real) CPU, and a virtual(fake), CPU. When the main CPU doesn't have anything to do and a lot of other conditions are meet (the state of the registers and stuff inside the cpu) the virtual CPU is allowed to execute code. For more info on this, look at this detailed article: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/hyperthreading.ars/1 2. Intel's EMT isn't as good of a 64-bit solution as AMD's x86-64 solution in my opinion. 3. Dual Core CPUs are two real CPUs in one package, so it will get the same performance as a dual CPU box (all else being equal). 4. AMD solutions are useally cheaper than an equivelant Intel solution. You can probly get a top of the line Intel Xeon with EMT for the same price as a new Opteron Dual Core. And in my opinion, they have the same ammount of quality. Intel is a joke. In general, their CPU's have less performance at the same cost. The only reason why they sell so many CPU's is because they are the leader in the industry and they are a Household Name or Name Brand. People are affraid to buy non name brand becuse they think they are going to get less quality. Also, they have many deals with vendors that lock them into Intel. Chris --- Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm looking to purchase a new server for our K12LTSP > system and would like > to hear your feed-back about using a 64 bit Intel > with HT or a 64 bit AMD > with dual core... > > Eagerly awaiting your thoughts, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Thu Jun 9 17:58:00 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:58:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video capture/recorder recomendation In-Reply-To: <20050609100607.56613.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000d01c56c92$fc149700$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <20050609100607.56613.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050609175800.GA30808@sonic.net> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:06:07AM -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > the only one I've ever used is ksnapshot and it seems > to work fine, but I didn't use it very much. Ksnapshot is pretty good for stills (though I wish it wouldn't take a fullscreen shot when I first launch it, since I rarely want one, and it just wastes time). I've used Xvidcap for taking video snapshots (I put some up of Tux Paint), and it worked pretty well. Knowing some mencoder-fu might be useful, though. (Apparently, some Win32 users can't watch the AVIs it generated. What-the!?) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 9 19:11:29 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:11:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <42A89461.3080208@elp.rr.com> My kids rearrange and otherwise mangle their desktops constantly to include using pictures they have found on the Internet or e-mailed to themselves. Seems like a kind of unofficial contest to see who can come up with the fanciest dsktop. My server seems to handl everything okay. What I would like to see is the background of the login screen be more inviting. Maybe some penguins in the background or something. Bye Pat luis.montes at cox.net wrote: >windows 3.1 ? IceWm has xp as the default skin. >http://members.cox.net/luis.montes/xpscreen.jpg > >In regards to default wallpaper, >Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left the default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better able to refresh a plain background accross the network. >I could be way off. And if I am, I'm going to encourage that the kids customize there wallpaper next year. Maybe have an exercise where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. > > >Luis > > > > > >>From: Rob Owens >>Date: 2005/06/08 Wed AM 06:10:15 EDT >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop >> >>I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he >>chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with >>that, but I do agree that the default background for >>the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's >>mostly black, giving the impression that there's no >>desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in >>space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be >>a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that >>better suits the expectations of our target audience? >> >>I know it seems kind of silly, because the background >>can easily be changed by the user or the >>administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a >>Windows world where many of the users don't know all >>that much about computers. Many users just want to >>"get in and drive", and many users judge the quality >>of their computer and operating system by how nice it >>looks. >> >>Personally, I thought the background that came with >>the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP >>4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had >>a really nice monitor (and that's what people really >>want, I think). I don't remember much about it except >>it was gray and it looked nice. >> >>If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it >>should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It >>should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just >>fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they >>did not throw away those old trident video cards they >>had laying around for the past 6 years. >> >>I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try >>out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and >>offer my opinions. >> >>What does everybody think? >> >>-Rob >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Thu Jun 9 19:17:12 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A89461.3080208@elp.rr.com> References: <20050608152028.HCZQ1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <42A89461.3080208@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <42A895B8.7040203@sages.us> You can change the image in the login screen to anything you want. I can't remember the name of the file to change but I did it on our installation. Our background image is a picture of our school. John P. Conlon wrote: > My kids rearrange and otherwise mangle their desktops constantly to > include using pictures they have found on the Internet or e-mailed to > themselves. Seems like a kind of unofficial contest to see who can > come up with the fanciest dsktop. My server seems to handl everything > okay. > > What I would like to see is the background of the login screen be more > inviting. Maybe some penguins in the background or something. > Bye > Pat > > luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > >>windows 3.1 ? IceWm has xp as the default skin. >>http://members.cox.net/luis.montes/xpscreen.jpg >> >>In regards to default wallpaper, >>Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left the default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better able to refresh a plain background accross the network. >>I could be way off. And if I am, I'm going to encourage that the kids customize there wallpaper next year. Maybe have an exercise where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. >> >> >>Luis >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Rob Owens >>>Date: 2005/06/08 Wed AM 06:10:15 EDT >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop >>> >>>I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he >>>chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with >>>that, but I do agree that the default background for >>>the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's >>>mostly black, giving the impression that there's no >>>desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in >>>space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be >>>a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that >>>better suits the expectations of our target audience? >>> >>>I know it seems kind of silly, because the background >>>can easily be changed by the user or the >>>administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a >>>Windows world where many of the users don't know all >>>that much about computers. Many users just want to >>>"get in and drive", and many users judge the quality >>>of their computer and operating system by how nice it >>>looks. >>> >>>Personally, I thought the background that came with >>>the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP >>>4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had >>>a really nice monitor (and that's what people really >>>want, I think). I don't remember much about it except >>>it was gray and it looked nice. >>> >>>If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it >>>should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It >>>should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just >>>fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they >>>did not throw away those old trident video cards they >>>had laying around for the past 6 years. >>> >>>I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try >>>out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and >>>offer my opinions. >>> >>>What does everybody think? >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 19:49:58 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:49:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. I have a situation in which I am wondering how suitable a LTSP setup would be. Here's the situation: In our company we have a training room filled with TVs with built in VCRs. We have people who come in, sign out videos, sit down and watch them, then return the video and get the next one in the series. There are in total 100 Video tapes that people go through. Now, there is an issue with the current system in that it takes a fair amount of manual labour to check each person's ID, hand out the correct videos, collect the videos, rewind them and stack them away. Also, for each video we have a limited number of copies and often we do not have enough. Plus we sometimes have people either damaging the videotapes (accidentally or otherwise) or tapes going missing. My mind jumped to using an LTSP setup (since it seems my mind jumps to that as a solution for almost everything nowadays :) ) as it would eliminate many of these issues. But I don't know enough about the feasibility of it. In order for it to work we'd want: 1) ability to track who is watching what, when they logged in and when they logged out, 2) be able to provide streaming video to about 30 clients in the room in good video and audio quality, and 3) have a very basic (either touch screen or mouse-only) interface to select the video, pause, rewind/FF, and stop. Could I use ltsp to do so? Or am I stretching it here? thank you. Joseph From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 20:13:41 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:13:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/9/05, The Prof wrote: > 2) be able to provide streaming video to about 30 clients in the room > in good video and audio quality, and > 3) have a very basic (either touch screen or mouse-only) interface to > select the video, pause, rewind/FF, and stop. I could see something using Flash and their Flash video, if you can get sound working in Flash. That way you could use a web interface to your videos, and do all the tracking you need, and only require the Flash player. You can also create your own Flash video player with the control you would want. I don't know how bandwidth intensive this would be, and whether 100MB client to switch and 1000MB switch to server could handle it. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 9 21:09:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:09:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c56d37$83081120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > 1) ability to track who is watching what, when they logged in > and when they logged out, > 2) be able to provide streaming video to about 30 clients in > the room in good video and audio quality, and > 3) have a very basic (either touch screen or mouse-only) > interface to select the video, pause, rewind/FF, and stop. > > Could I use ltsp to do so? Or am I stretching it here? We used a Safari/Dynacom Video Distribution system here in the past for a simalar system for teachers. It was headed up by a Windows NT server, an array of VCR's, DVD's, and Laser Disc players. We had to load the media for them but they were able to use software to control operation of the videos. You most likely want to ditch the physical media and go completely digital. So you will have to convert all of your tapes to a digital format first. After that I believe Les Mikesell has recommended VideoLAN for this type of delivery in the past over LTSP. Basically just have a folder full of videos organized however you want and give them VideoLAN to play the videos. Shouldn't be too complex, just time consuming. Next phase would be to add the ability to log in the way you want. Easiest solution would be a clipboard by the entry way and go with the honor system, or a terminal in kiosk mode or something and a database screen for entry. Maybe you could tweak some of the scripts from a Coffee Shop management system for the login info. Knowing what someone is viewing may be tough. But if you get that far the main struggle is over. Maybe TeacherTool could have some functionality added into it to display the current application open and the filename it is accessing. This could be usefull in a school setting as well. I don't think you are stretching things at all. Tracking seems to be the only part to figure out. Make sure you plan in a large SCSI array and possibly a dual Gigabit ethernet settup to the server to handle the network load. Does anyone know if the clients are capable of handling gigabit? Would such a thing help with this type of setup? Good luck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Thu Jun 9 21:10:59 2005 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:10:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP MaxiLife not responding [repost] In-Reply-To: <20050501091355.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20050501091355.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <20050509161059.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Alright . . . I've done a little more digging and Maxilife is a health monitoring system used on HP Kayak and some Vectra series that displays information on a small LCD panel on the front of the box. I think the error I am getting (Maxilife not responding) is due to the fact that there is NO LCD panel on my Vectra, so it has nothing to write the data to! I don't really want to find out if I can get a replacement panel, because I don't want/need it, or the extra cost. I just want to be able to boot this box without having to hit any kbd prompts. Any thoughts?? Any vectra users out there using Maxilife? know a way to disable it? I'm getting desperate . . . -john ----- Original Message ----- John A. Smith wrote: > >From what I read it does appear that MaxiLife was linked to an HP utility partition. However, I also have come across some info that implies the lm_sensors package works with MaxiLife sensors. > > Has anyone used lm_sensors? Or worked with Linux and an HP with MaxiLife? > > Right now I have k12ltsp 4.2.1 installed and working, but it won't boot without a couple of keystrokes during the boot routine (i.e., F1 to resume, etc.). > > > -john smith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > David Neimeyer wrote: > > John, > > > > It not uncommon for vendors to create "hidden" partitions that host > > diagnostic, monitoring, and system restore software/utilities. So, if > > you are doing a new install of ANY distro, and do not cater to these > > partitions when initializing your partition table, you'll > > unintentionally write over those utilities. > > > > I totally forgot about that while trying to salvage an old dual pII > > Compaq Proliant recently: the result was that I have to buy a special CD > > from HP/Compaq if I want to utilize the onboard sensors and hardware > > RAID. (plus install a Windows OS to use the CD...blah) > > > > I would guess this may be what you are seeing. > > > > > > -- > > David Neimeyeradmin at bookpeople.com > > BookPeople, Inc. > > System Administrator > > admin at bookpeople.com > > 800-853-9757 x402 > > 512-472-5050 > > > > 2005 Publisher's Weekly Bookseller of the Year > > "The Best Bookstore in the Country" > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:02 -0500, John A. Smith wrote: > > > I bought an HP Vectra VL800 - P4 1.3 Ghz, 768 MB Ram - from RetroBox last month to use as a K12LTSP server. This morning I decided to do the install and am running into a couple of problems. > > > > > > I am getting the following error at boot "0059: MaxiLife not responding Error". From what I can decipher from googling, apparently MaxiLife is some sort of hardware monitoring and diagnostics tool used on the Vectra series. I can't find any reference to this error code or what it means. Has anyone ran across this before? This is the first Vectra I've toyed with. > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > john smith > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > John A. Smith > > > Director of Administration > > > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > > > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > > > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > > > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > > > FAX: 773.989.7329 > > > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John A. Smith > Director of Administration > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > FAX: 773.989.7329 > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 9 21:49:13 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:49:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: <003101c56d37$83081120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003101c56d37$83081120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42A8B959.7040804@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone > know if the clients are capable of handling gigabit? I don't think gigabit would be needed at the thin client. The server would need it for sure, but the clients would be fine on a switch with 100mbit. (I stream at home over 100mbit to my xbox media player, and 2 other computers, even at the same time) I would be concerned about audio sync. Using esd, I have a terrible time with audio sync in mplayer (and mplayer plugin). Do other programs handle the audio sync better, or is it an esd-over-the-network thing? nasd might not have the same issue -- but I've never gotten that to work, so I don't really know much about it. -Shawn From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 10 12:41:03 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:41:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Regulator Failure? Message-ID: <42A98A5F.1020005@inlandlakes.org> Has anyone ever seen "Alert! Regulator Failure" on a thin client? Here's the scenario: A secretary (one of the biggest linux supporters in the district) had a thin client which would randomly go "black" in the middle of work. She would see a message "Alert! Regulator Failure" and then the computer would reboot, telling her to press F1 to continue. I assumed it was something with her old thin client (Old IBM workstation), like a problem with power, or some such thing. So I replaced her IBM with a Dell GX1 (booting via PXE) -- she is getting EXACTLY the same message. Since the message is identical, I don't think it's coming from BIOS or from the computer itself, but rather from LTSP somehow. (The odds of Dell and IBM using exactly the same wording is just... too slim) Anyone have any idea what that might be?!?! Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Jun 10 12:57:55 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:57:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Alert! Regulator Failure Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBD50@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Somehow I got overanxious with the delete keys, and sent your message to the happy hunting ground. However, I wanted to share that "Alert! Regulator Failure" typically has to do with a hardware problem with the CPU voltage regulator (read: motherboard). I know, for instance, that this is common enough on Dell Optiplexes(en?) running Photoshop under Windows that there's actually a workaround posted on Adobe's site. Summary: - hardware related - Dell Optiplexen(es?) vulnerable - try a different motherboard? Regards, -dhbarr. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 10 13:15:09 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:15:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Alert! Regulator Failure In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBD50@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBD50@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <42A9925D.1090004@inlandlakes.org> David H. Barr wrote: > "Alert! Regulator Failure" typically has to > do with a hardware problem with the CPU voltage regulator That's what I figured too -- but does make sense with 2 different thin clients, that are 2 different brands? (One Dell, but one IBM too) I might give her a 3rd machine, just for sanity's sake. Ugh. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:31:36 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:31:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: <42A8B959.7040804@inlandlakes.org> References: <003101c56d37$83081120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42A8B959.7040804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: I am surprised that gigabit would not be needed. I thought if the setup was that 30+ computers are all watching different videos, you'd need a very high-capacity network. Has anyone used videoLan for this sort of thing at this level? thank you Joseph On 6/9/05, Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Does anyone > > know if the clients are capable of handling gigabit? > > I don't think gigabit would be needed at the thin client. The server > would need it for sure, but the clients would be fine on a switch with > 100mbit. (I stream at home over 100mbit to my xbox media player, and 2 > other computers, even at the same time) > > I would be concerned about audio sync. Using esd, I have a terrible > time with audio sync in mplayer (and mplayer plugin). Do other programs > handle the audio sync better, or is it an esd-over-the-network thing? > > nasd might not have the same issue -- but I've never gotten that to > work, so I don't really know much about it. > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at rossberry.com Fri Jun 10 13:47:05 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Alert! Regulator Failure In-Reply-To: <42A9925D.1090004@inlandlakes.org> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBD50@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <42A9925D.1090004@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > That's what I figured too -- but does make sense with 2 different thin > clients, that are 2 different brands? (One Dell, but one IBM too) I > might give her a 3rd machine, just for sanity's sake. Ugh. Maybe her 120V circuit has another large load on the same lag and the voltage is saggging. Check her outlets with a VOM, or give her a UPS that guarantees her 120V out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 10 14:24:05 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:24:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop Message-ID: I know that you can change the picture in the window. I want to do something with the part of the screen that is not taken up by that window. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hays Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:17 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop > You can change the image in the login screen to anything you want. > I > can't remember the name of the file to change but I did it on our > installation. Our background image is a picture of our school. > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > My kids rearrange and otherwise mangle their desktops constantly > to > > include using pictures they have found on the Internet or e- > mailed to > > themselves. Seems like a kind of unofficial contest to see who > can > > come up with the fanciest dsktop. My server seems to handl > everything > > okay. > > > > What I would like to see is the background of the login screen be > more > > inviting. Maybe some penguins in the background or something. > > Bye > > Pat > > > > luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > > > >>windows 3.1 ? IceWm has xp as the default skin. > >>http://members.cox.net/luis.montes/xpscreen.jpg > >> > >>In regards to default wallpaper, > >>Anyone know if there is there any issues with bandwith? I've left > the default for the school blank, somehow hoping that X was better > able to refresh a plain background accross the network. > >>I could be way off. And if I am, I'm going to encourage that the > kids customize there wallpaper next year. Maybe have an exercise > where they create the wallpaper with tuxpaint. > >> > >> > >>Luis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: Rob Owens > >>>Date: 2005/06/08 Wed AM 06:10:15 EDT > >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>>Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop > >>> > >>>I showed K12LTSP to a Windows guy the other day and he > >>>chuckled "looks like Windows 3.1". I disagree with > >>>that, but I do agree that the default background for > >>>the desktop is not particularly nice looking. It's > >>>mostly black, giving the impression that there's no > >>>desktop at all--just a couple of icons floating in > >>>space. I imagine that's the FC3 default. Would it be > >>>a big deal to come up with a K12LTSP background that > >>>better suits the expectations of our target audience? > >>> > >>>I know it seems kind of silly, because the background > >>>can easily be changed by the user or the > >>>administrator. But K12LTSP is often brought into a > >>>Windows world where many of the users don't know all > >>>that much about computers. Many users just want to > >>>"get in and drive", and many users judge the quality > >>>of their computer and operating system by how nice it > >>>looks. > >>> > >>>Personally, I thought the background that came with > >>>the last version I tried out (I think it was K12LTSP > >>>4.2.0) did a good job of making you feel like you had > >>>a really nice monitor (and that's what people really > >>>want, I think). I don't remember much about it except > >>>it was gray and it looked nice. > >>> > >>>If a K12LTSP-specific default background is chosen, it > >>>should look nice on old hardware as well as new. It > >>>should make users feel like their 15" CRT is just > >>>fine, and it should make admins feel glad that they > >>>did not throw away those old trident video cards they > >>>had laying around for the past 6 years. > >>> > >>>I'm not much of a graphics designer, but I could try > >>>out a few backgrounds on new and old equipment and > >>>offer my opinions. > >>> > >>>What does everybody think? > >>> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>>__________________________________________________ > >>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >>>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator > Monticello CUSD#25 > #2 Sage Drive > Monticello, IL 61856 > (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 > haysja at sages.us > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 10 14:34:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:34:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP for video-streaming room? In-Reply-To: References: <003101c56d37$83081120$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42A8B959.7040804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1118414044.18214.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 08:31, The Prof wrote: > I am surprised that gigabit would not be needed. I thought if the > setup was that 30+ computers are all watching different videos, you'd > need a very high-capacity network. The switch manages traffic to individual ports so only the server sees the combined traffic. > Has anyone used videoLan for this sort of thing at this level? If you are using thin clients you will likely have a problem running more than a few instances on the server. This would scale much better as a local app, and in the special case of everyone watching the same video the server can multicast a single stream. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From johnny at msad41.us Fri Jun 10 14:40:33 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:40:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118414433.42a9a66114c82@www.msad41.us> Quoting jconlon1 at elp.rr.com: > I know that you can change the picture in the window. I want to do > something with the part of the screen that is not taken up by that window. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Hays > Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:17 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop > > > You can change the image in the login screen to anything you want. > > I > > can't remember the name of the file to change but I did it on our > > installation. Our background image is a picture of our school. If you go to 'system setting' and 'login screen', you can use the 'standard greeter' and change both the backgroung and logo to any image that you choose right there...you can also rewrite the message also... hth...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Jun 10 14:49:50 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:49:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Intel with HT or 64 bit AMD dual core? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd31756050608214319277380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A9A88E.3000803@saskforestcentre.ca> I've had to provide a stand-alone machine for running firefox on 32-bit ever since we took our server to a 64-bit platform. Fortunately, they aren't really using it much, anyway. It's June - They're outside. Angus Carr. Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> If you go 64 bit you >> >>> may have problems with binary only browser plugins >> >> >> Would that be true even if you used a 32 bit firefox? > > > Binary plugins are not a problem if you use a 32 bit firefox. On the > other hand, this creates a new problem: installing a 32 bit firefox ;-) > > Hmm, now that I think about it, a few tweaks to the apt/yum > repository might make this pretty easy to do. I won't have access to > my test servers until Monday, I'll send myself a > note to try this next week. > > -Eric > > >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> On 6/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >>> On 6/7/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I forgot to mention that I'm looking for horsepower to run more >>>> than 80 >>>> clients at the same time... >>> >>> >>> Go dual Opterons. They have built in memory controllers and dedicated >>> memory banks. For 80 clients you will need 8 gigs of ram. So use >>> hugemem kernel in 4.2.1EL or install AMD64 arch. If you go 64 bit you >>> may have problems with binary only browser plugins. >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 10 16:34:51 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:34:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks Message-ID: <42A9C12B.4080405@inlandlakes.org> Would those folks using OSX in an LTSP-rich environment be willing to contact me offlist? I'm getting 2 labs of eMacs, and I want to discuss some ideas about integrating into our network. Thanks a ton, -Shawn spowers at inlandlakes.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 10 16:42:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:42:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Opteron Server Build < 2500.00 Message-ID: <1118421768.12744.199.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Burke Almquist wrote: Yeah, you definitely pay for that 1U design. I've also been doing some more shopping, and at Monarch Computers (www.monarchcomputer.com) I speced out a "Deluxe Tower Server" with the same specs as a Penguin computing 1U server I was looking at (GB x2, 4GB RAM, Opteron 248x2, 120GB SATA HDD(/home is elsewhere)) for $2250, almost $1200 less than Penguin wanted... --------------------------------------------------------------- Here's what we finally decided on: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp? ID=1537892&WishListTitle=TYANK12SERVER The total less HDs = $2,363.43 The 3ware SATA controller is a little pricey but it is true hardware raid and has good linux driver support. We have a K12 server that has been running a 3ware ATA raid controller for three years without a hitch so the sata ought to be even better. The old ata controller has 4 40 GB drives in a raid 0 and has been performing quite well serving 25 terminals and /home to the school via NFS and samba. John From jimsd at ltsp.com Fri Jun 10 17:14:48 2005 From: jimsd at ltsp.com (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:14:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing ltsp 4.0.1 with 4.2.1 Message-ID: <1118423687.5651.41.camel@server.ltsp> I am now using K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1 I would like to do a new install (not an upgrade - right?) to 4.2.1 and keep my /home. 1. Is ltsp 4.2.1 stable and the best choice at this time? 2. Can I just copy /home to a safe place and then copy it back after the install is complete? That is, replace the /home created by the installation with my backed copy of /home? 4. As I recall I should copy a few other directories also, but can not find my notes. 3. Is it a good idea to have /home on its own partition (in the new installation)? 4. Is there a HOWTO on this subject? Help with any or all the above would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 10 18:07:06 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:07:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing ltsp 4.0.1 with 4.2.1 Message-ID: <1118426826.12744.232.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Jim Doyle wrote: ________________________________________________________________________ I am now using K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1 I would like to do a new install (not an upgrade - right?) to 4.2.1 and keep my /home. 1. Is ltsp 4.2.1 stable and the best choice at this time? 2. Can I just copy /home to a safe place and then copy it back after the install is complete? That is, replace the /home created by the installation with my backed copy of /home? 4. As I recall I should copy a few other directories also, but can not find my notes. 3. Is it a good idea to have /home on its own partition (in the new installation)? 4. Is there a HOWTO on this subject? Help with any or all the above would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Jim, Here's my .02 I had some issues moving from 4.1 to 4.2 back in December. I had to drop back to 4.1 The problem was specific to my hardware. I have a test going at the moment with the same server but using Eric's beta 4.2 based on CentOS and all is well. Short of putting /home on a separate file server putting it on it's own partition is the way to go, IMHO. Makes the whole upgrade process that much easier. You shouldn't have any issues with moving 4.1 based /home into 4.2 I also back up /etc and /opt/ltsp You will want to restore /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow to get your users and associated permissions back. Also if you have custom settings in lts.conf you will want to back that up also. If you have a web site on this box you will want to back it up /var/www/html and if you have any databases you will want those back too. I use mysql for LAMP stuff so I back up /var/lib/mysql What you back up largely depends on your current backup procedure and what services you are running. We have a couple of scripts we keep in /root that we backup (probably should keep them somewhere else) I have backed up /root/.bash_history at times to help jog my memory. How-To's A little dated but these will get you going in the right direction. http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html http://k12linux.org/netadmin/backup.html John From perodim at on.net.mk Fri Jun 10 18:28:47 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:28:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing with LDAP authentication Message-ID: <42A9DBDF.8040001@on.net.mk> Hello, I am using a Samba/LDAP combination installed with the smbldap script. Every user on the network authenticates through this server. There are large drives on the computers through the network which I would like to share with Samba. I would like to use the same LDAP server for authentication of users accessing these shares. I've tried this by adding the following lines : passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://192.168.0.254/ ldap admin dn = cn=Manager,dc=vorteksed,dc=com,dc=mk ldap suffix = dc=vorteksed,dc=com,dc=mk ldap group suffix = ou=Groups ldap user suffix = ou=Users ldap machine suffix = ou=Computers ldap idmap suffix = ou=Users #ldap ssl = start tls , but without success (The IP of the LDAP server is 192.168.0.254). Has anybody tried to do something like this or any ideas maybe ? Best regards, Peter D. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 18:33:13 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:33:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing ltsp 4.0.1 with 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1118426826.12744.232.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118426826.12744.232.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: Jim: gotta love the domain for your email... You associated with them, or just coincidence that they are your isp? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From marksarria at socal.rr.com Fri Jun 10 19:27:30 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (marksarria at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks Message-ID: I too will be setting up 2 Mac labs, one for our graphics art department and another for an online English course. It would be helpful if the ideas were posted for all to see and comment about or add to... --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Powers Date: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:34 am Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks > Would those folks using OSX in an LTSP-rich environment be willing > to > contact me offlist? I'm getting 2 labs of eMacs, and I want to > discuss > some ideas about integrating into our network. > > Thanks a ton, > -Shawn > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: marksarria.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: Card for URL: From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 19:33:45 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:33:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dvd ver Message-ID: If anyone is interested , I made a dvd ver of 4.2.1fc3. I can upload it to an ftp site for everyones use if someone's interested to host it. SteveG From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 10 19:42:15 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:42:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dvd ver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A9ED17.80706@inlandlakes.org> steve gilmore wrote: > If anyone is interested , I made a dvd ver of 4.2.1fc3. I can upload it > to an ftp site for everyones use if someone's interested to host it. If you make a torrent out of it, I'll seed it... Do we (the K12LTSP community) have an official bittorrent tracker? If not, shouldn't we? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Fri Jun 10 19:44:18 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:44:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Solution to make X applications work after ssh -X then su - Message-ID: The following is a cool solution and not a question. At PPS we have many Linux labs spread across different buildings in the district. Therefore it behooves us to remotely administer and troubleshoot the LTSP servers. We use ssh -X to connect to the servers and run applications as the users. Our teachers have unique/ unknown passwords as do some of our students. We had a need to be able to ssh to a server, su into another user, and run applications as that user while displaying the video on our local workstation. This is how we were able to make it work. Credit where credit is due, I found this via google at http://wiki.bic.mni.mcgill.ca/index.php/X11AuthError . Information gathering phase: * First log into the remote server. [kmatson at mydesk]$ ssh -X root at someserver.somedomain [root at ltspserver]# * Determine what the hostname is. [root at ltspserver]# hostname hatteras * Determine what the DISPLAY environment variable is. [root at ltspserver]# echo $DISPLAY localhost:10.0 * Determine what xauthkey to use [root at ltspserver]# xauth list | grep hatteras/unix:10 hatteras/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 reallylonghexadecimalnumber Target user environment adjusting phase: * Su to target user. [root at ltspserver]# su - someuser [someuser at ltspserver]$ * Add the xauthkey to their environment. If you have mouse support I strongly recommend you copy and paste the xauthkey into the following command. [someuser at ltspserver]$ xauth add hatteras/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 reallylonghexadecimalnumber [someuser at ltspserver]$ <--- no visible result * You should now be able to run any X application as the target user and have it display on your local workstation. Cheers, Kevin M. ------------------------- Kevin Matson IT - Lab Team kmatson at pps.k12.or.us 503-916-2000 x4960 503-916-3375 Portland Public Schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 10 20:01:48 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:01:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dvd ver In-Reply-To: <42A9ED17.80706@inlandlakes.org> References: <42A9ED17.80706@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42A9F1AC.70800@maltzen.net> I'm not sure there are enough of us wanting to pull down the ISO files at the same time to see much benefit from a torrent. Not that it's not a cool idea, but I doubt we'd see much improvement in download time compared to just pulling it via ftp from the regular mirrors. OTOH, it doesn't hurt to try and I'd love to be proven wrong. ;-) Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > steve gilmore wrote: > >> If anyone is interested , I made a dvd ver of 4.2.1fc3. I can upload >> it to an ftp site for everyones use if someone's interested to host it. > > > If you make a torrent out of it, I'll seed it... Do we (the K12LTSP > community) have an official bittorrent tracker? If not, shouldn't we? > > -Shawn > From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 20:06:48 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:06:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dvd ver References: <42A9ED17.80706@inlandlakes.org> <42A9F1AC.70800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I have to read the man pages to see how to make a torrent. As it is right now, it's a 2.56Gb iso. I have a peculiar firewall that doesn't do ftp server very well, otherwise I would've hosted it. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dvd ver > I'm not sure there are enough of us wanting to pull down the ISO files at > the same time to see much benefit from a torrent. Not that it's not a > cool idea, but I doubt we'd see much improvement in download time compared > to just pulling it via ftp from the regular mirrors. OTOH, it doesn't > hurt to try and I'd love to be proven wrong. ;-) > > Petre > > Shawn Powers wrote: >> steve gilmore wrote: >> >>> If anyone is interested , I made a dvd ver of 4.2.1fc3. I can upload it >>> to an ftp site for everyones use if someone's interested to host it. >> >> >> If you make a torrent out of it, I'll seed it... Do we (the K12LTSP >> community) have an official bittorrent tracker? If not, shouldn't we? >> >> -Shawn >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jun 10 19:58:24 2005 From: jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us (John Warf) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:58:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email Message-ID: We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have included. I would like to still have the option for POP3 for some people but most users will be web based. I also need it to be easy to use and have a look and feel a lot like Exchange (or equivalent). I want it to run off of a Linux box (Red-Hat 7.3 or 9) or run off a Mac Server running OS 10.4. Any suggestions and things that other school systems are using would be greatly appreciated. Thanks John ------------ John Warf Network Administrator Chatham County Schools PO Box 128 / 369 West St. Pittsboro, NC 27312 USA 919.542.3626 x 286 919.542.1380 fax jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 10 20:56:39 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:56:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A9FE87.1020404@maltzen.net> Check out SquirrelMail at http://www.squirrelmail.org . Not to be paranoid, but if you're going to keep POP3, you should do it securely over port 995 instead of the pass-ID-and-PW-in-cleartext-over-port-110 way that most POP server default to. Petre John Warf wrote: > We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have included. > > I would like to still have the option for POP3 for some people but most > users will be web based. > I also need it to be easy to use and have a look and feel a lot like > Exchange (or equivalent). > I want it to run off of a Linux box (Red-Hat 7.3 or 9) or run off a Mac > Server running OS 10.4. > > Any suggestions and things that other school systems are using would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > John > > ------------ > > John Warf > Network Administrator > Chatham County Schools > PO Box 128 / 369 West St. > Pittsboro, NC 27312 USA > 919.542.3626 x 286 > 919.542.1380 fax > jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us > http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 10 21:08:53 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:08:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LTSP for video-streaming room? - mythtv package? Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01FBF@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Re: LTSP for video-streaming room? The mythtv package rpms for Fedora would handle most of what you are looking for. It is designed to be used as a client/server environment. I don't think you want to try using pure thin clients for viewing, the bandwidth usage on the lan would be enormous. I'd be surprised if you could even get one thin client to work acceptably, but you never know until you try it. If you could get the thin clients to run the mythfrontend package locally instead of from the server, it should work as well as anything. The LAN traffic would vary by compression ratio, but DVD quality would use up to around 5 Mb per connection, which effectively means maybe 15 clients per server on a 100 Mb switch, if everything is working correctly. Mythtv has built in support for multiple backend servers, so 2 servers, and a good 100 Mb switch should theoretically support up to 30 clients. If in doubt, use two switches, or a good Gb switch and Gb card in one big server, though it looks like it wouldn't be required. I like the idea of using two smaller servers, that way if you have a problem on one you have some redundancy. You would require a video capture card on at least one server, and some time to import the videos. For VHS quality tapes you could certainly use a much lower quality recording format than DVD without losing any appreciable playback quality. For viewing, you would need something that could run the mythfrontend package. Normal linux installs would work, as would the optional Windows client, or the cool solution would be the thin client running a local copy of myth. Figure on about 2 to 3 GB per hour for DVD quality video, down to 500Mb per hour for VHS, possibly lower depending on your needs. That adds up quickly, and you need to be sure your server can hand out 15 streams without bottlenecking the hard drives. You'll probably want a couple of fast SCSI drives in a production server, but the new SATA drives might handle it if you use enough of them in a software raid. I'll bet you could get a proof of concept up and running in a day using normal workstation hardware, get some benchmarks and go from there. I am working on implementing a similiar test at a high school in a few weeks. The feed will come from cable tv, and the server will be set to record all the legitimate educational content. ( I know, I know, that's why it's called a test...) We should be able to choose any recorded content, play pause and rewind from any PC on the network. If anyone is interested, I'll post the results. Thanks, Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional ESD 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that unless you want to stream multicast to many clients at once you can skip all the complicated server side stuff and let the clients access the files directly via NFS or samba. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 10 21:36:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:36:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:58, John Warf wrote: > We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have > included. > > I would like to still have the option for POP3 for some people but > most users will be web based. > I also need it to be easy to use and have a look and feel a lot like > Exchange (or equivalent). > I want it to run off of a Linux box (Red-Hat 7.3 or 9) or run off a > Mac Server running OS 10.4. > > Any suggestions and things that other school systems are using would > be greatly appreciated. The really, really simple way is to install SME server which you can download from http://www.contribs.org. It is a simple install with a web-based administration interface - just add users - pop, imap, and webmail will work out of the box. The down side is that it has not been updated in a long time and since it is heavily customized it is difficult to make additional changes yourself. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Fri Jun 10 21:44:36 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:44:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1118439876.42aa09c41b368@sages.us> I second Les' suggestion. We have used SME for 4 years. The webmail interface is easy to use. If you are going to use the box exclusively as an email server, the customization of SME is not a problem. In fact, it makes the server much harder to attack. Also, there are many modules written for it that are easy to install. Several schools here in Illinois are using SME as an email server. Quoting Les Mikesell : > On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:58, John Warf wrote: > > We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > > solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > > is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have > > included. > > > > I would like to still have the option for POP3 for some people but > > most users will be web based. > > I also need it to be easy to use and have a look and feel a lot like > > Exchange (or equivalent). > > I want it to run off of a Linux box (Red-Hat 7.3 or 9) or run off a > > Mac Server running OS 10.4. > > > > Any suggestions and things that other school systems are using would > > be greatly appreciated. > > The really, really simple way is to install SME server which you > can download from http://www.contribs.org. It is a simple install > with a web-based administration interface - just add users - pop, > imap, and webmail will work out of the box. > > The down side is that it has not been updated in a long time and > since it is heavily customized it is difficult to make additional > changes yourself. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jun 10 21:29:06 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:29:06 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks Message-ID: <200506102340.j5ANe9m08612@downeast.net> Shawn: i'm interested in sharing ideas with you..We currently have a couple hundered ibooks byut they are in their own parallel universe...chuck> Would those folks using OSX in an LTSP-rich environment be willing to > contact me offlist? I'm getting 2 labs of eMacs, and I want to discuss > some ideas about integrating into our network. > > Thanks a ton, > -Shawn > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From haysja at sages.us Fri Jun 10 22:02:12 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:02:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118440932.42aa0de41b584@sages.us> We have about 100 Macs at our middle school that are accessing a server running K12LTSP. What is it you need to know? Quoting marksarria at socal.rr.com: > I too will be setting up 2 Mac labs, one for our graphics art department > and another for an online English course. It would be helpful if the > ideas were posted for all to see and comment about or add to... > > --mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shawn Powers > Date: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:34 am > Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks > > > Would those folks using OSX in an LTSP-rich environment be willing > > to > > contact me offlist? I'm getting 2 labs of eMacs, and I want to > > discuss > > some ideas about integrating into our network. > > > > Thanks a ton, > > -Shawn > > > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 10 22:03:31 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:03:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> marksarria at socal.rr.com wrote: > I too will be setting up 2 Mac labs, one for our graphics art department > and another for an online English course. It would be helpful if the > ideas were posted for all to see and comment about or add to... Ok, I'll start spewing ideas & questions on the list. Maybe some of you guys & gals will have some insight, success stories, new ideas, etc. Here we go: 1) I currently use NIS, but plan to switch to LDAP. Is it possible for OSX to authenticate to an LDAP server? 2) How about mounting /home directories? Can the user's directory be pointed to an NFS/SAMBA/ETC sharepoint, or do you just have to figure a way to mount a document folder on their desktop? 3) Is a program like DeepFreeze required when using OSX? If so, does it work well with network authentication & directory sharing? 4) Anyone know if files saved in Microsoft Office 2004 (on OSX) can be edited in openoffice? How about going from Office 98 (on my OS9 machines) to Office 2004? Do the 2 versions of MS Office play well together? 5) If a user's /home directory is mounted on the eMac, can abilities still be locked down? (ie, changing things in the hard drive, or setting the background, removing dock items, etc) 6) If the /home directory stores everything, so each user has a unique environment -- what kind of load on the network does that NFS share take? More than a thin client? It looks like I had all questions, and no ideas. :) (ok, well, the ideas sparked the questions, so I'll forgive myself!) -Shawn From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Jun 10 22:15:32 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:15:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <1118439876.42aa09c41b368@sages.us> References: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1118439876.42aa09c41b368@sages.us> Message-ID: <1118441733.4688.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 16:44 -0500, Jim Hays wrote: > I second Les' suggestion. We have used SME for 4 years. The webmail interface > is easy to use. If you are going to use the box exclusively as an email server, > the customization of SME is not a problem. In fact, it makes the server much > harder to attack. Also, there are many modules written for it that are easy to > install. Several schools here in Illinois are using SME as an email server. > > ... and, perhaps not forgetting groupware projects to give what you want and more. For example, http://www.phprojekt.com/ is still very active since I first checked it out a few years ago, and there are several others. Regards, Gavin. > > > Quoting Les Mikesell : > > > On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:58, John Warf wrote: > > > We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > > > solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > > > is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have > > > included. > > > > > > I would like to still have the option for POP3 for some people but > > > most users will be web based. > > > I also need it to be easy to use and have a look and feel a lot like > > > Exchange (or equivalent). > > > I want it to run off of a Linux box (Red-Hat 7.3 or 9) or run off a > > > Mac Server running OS 10.4. > > > > > > Any suggestions and things that other school systems are using would > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > The really, really simple way is to install SME server which you > > can download from http://www.contribs.org. It is a simple install > > with a web-based administration interface - just add users - pop, > > imap, and webmail will work out of the box. > > > > The down side is that it has not been updated in a long time and > > since it is heavily customized it is difficult to make additional > > changes yourself. > > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 23:02:31 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:02:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> References: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On 6/10/05, Shawn Powers wrote: > marksarria at socal.rr.com wrote: > > I too will be setting up 2 Mac labs, one for our graphics art department > > and another for an online English course. It would be helpful if the > > ideas were posted for all to see and comment about or add to... > 1) I currently use NIS, but plan to switch to LDAP. Is it possible for > OSX to authenticate to an LDAP server? > > 2) How about mounting /home directories? Can the user's directory be > pointed to an NFS/SAMBA/ETC sharepoint, or do you just have to figure a > way to mount a document folder on their desktop? > > 3) Is a program like DeepFreeze required when using OSX? If so, does it > work well with network authentication & directory sharing? Since you are putting in 40-60 machines, I would investigate installing an OS X server. It would allow you to manage your clients, and you could use Open Directory to manage your users. K12LTSP plugs right into this situation for authentication. I think you could also NFS mount the home folders from your LTSP server and re-share them as Apple Fileshare points for your OS X clients. Workgroup Manager makes it a breeze to manage your machines, you can set setting on a user/group/machine basis. > 4) Anyone know if files saved in Microsoft Office 2004 (on OSX) can be > edited in openoffice? How about going from Office 98 (on my OS9 > machines) to Office 2004? Do the 2 versions of MS Office play well > together? That shouldn't be a problem, I'm pretty sure that Office 04 and Office 98 use the same file format. Since you have OS 9 machines, with an OS X server you can also manage those, hand have the users home folder follow the user. > 5) If a user's /home directory is mounted on the eMac, can abilities > still be locked down? (ie, changing things in the hard drive, or > setting the background, removing dock items, etc) I only have experience with adding a LTSP server to an OS X network, but by default, when a network user logs into a mac, they don't have access to the hard drive, but if the home folder is setup correctly, they can modify user settings such as the background and the dock. Go to Apple's website and check out some of the stuff you can do with an OS X server. We have 4 different platforms in use (OS 9, OS X, LTSP, and Windows) and they all integrate into OS X's OpenDirectory. A student can use any machine, and they have their own home folder. In fact, some program settings follow them when they move from LTSP and OS X (such as with jEdit). If you have any questions, shoot me an e-mail! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From samps at unplugd.com Sat Jun 11 00:15:54 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:45:54 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1118439364.23832.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42AA2D3A.5020800@unplugd.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > The down side is that it has not been updated in a long time and > since it is heavily customized it is difficult to make additional > changes yourself. > The maintainers of SME-server are in the process of updating to v7.0 at the moment. They're spitting out alpha releases faster than I can download them. Latest one, AFAIK, is alpha18. I won't recommend alpha16, haven't tried 17 and 18, but alpha15 seems quite good and I'll wait for the final 7.0 before upgrading from alpha15. cheers Samps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 8/06/2005 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Jun 11 01:11:12 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:11:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Star/Open Office Message-ID: <42AA3A30.2040008@honeygroveisd.net> I'm trying to put together some supporting documentation for an impending change from MS Office to StarOffice and I'd like to be able to say "School districts X, Y and Z are using it." Is anyone on this list in the North Texas area currently using StarOffice, OpenOffice or both in either classroom or administrative environment? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "But what ... is it good for?" ---Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jun 11 01:36:02 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:36:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarking k12ltsp Message-ID: <1118453762.12744.374.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> The question of performance vs. price, scsi vs. sata, software raid vs. hardware raid, 100 Mb vs. 1000 Mb to the switch comes up on this list enough to bring me to the following. Would it be reasonable / useful to come up with some sort of k12ltsp benchmark procedure? I'm thinking of something where you boot up a given number of terminals, log on then run a script that runs a given set of tasks. For instance: * Log on to 25 terminals. * Run script that launches an OpenOffice presentation at 5 past the hour on one terminal * At 5.5 past the hour 10 terminals fire up FireFox simultaneously and open a flash file * At at 6 past the hour 9 terminals read write to a text file and 5 terminals open an image file with the gimp. Not the best example but you get the idea. If we had a standard procedure and files that we used it might make for some interesting statistics. John From robark at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 03:40:37 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:40:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarking k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1118453762.12744.374.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118453762.12744.374.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/10/05, John Baillie wrote: > The question of performance vs. price, scsi vs. sata, software raid vs. > hardware raid, 100 Mb vs. 1000 Mb to the switch comes up on this list > enough to bring me to the following. > > Would it be reasonable / useful to come up with some sort of k12ltsp > benchmark procedure? > > I'm thinking of something where you boot up a given number of terminals, > log on then run a script that runs a given set of tasks. THis is a great idea! Then we could really compare apples to apples. When posting the results we would need to include consistent system specs. k12ltsp version: cpu type: # of cpus: ram: fsb speed: motherboard: eth0 nic: HD controller: HD type: # of hard drives: HD configuration: ie raid 0/1/5/ separate /home drive nfs mount of home: (yes/no) switch: switch uplink speed: client nics: client ram: client cpu: (probably not needed) One thing which cannot be used is external websites. If firefox is to be used, and I think it should, then the site has to be downloaded and saved locally first cause you will get different times based on net traffic/ time of day. You want to keep the test totally internal. We could also see how Centos compares to Fedora and eventually Ubuntu. All we need is a good script to put a system through it's paces. Any good script writers up for the job? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 03:49:54 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:49:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Star/Open Office In-Reply-To: <42AA3A30.2040008@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42AA3A30.2040008@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: On 6/10/05, Mark Cockrell wrote: > I'm trying to put together some supporting documentation for an > impending change from MS Office to StarOffice and I'd like to be able to > say "School districts X, Y and Z are using it." Is anyone on this list > in the North Texas area currently using StarOffice, OpenOffice or both > in either classroom or administrative environment? > The province of Ontario in Canada (largest province in terms of population) has purchased StarOffice for all public schools. The deal with Sun cost them the price of the media (cd's). -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jun 11 04:24:12 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:54:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118463852.3401.16.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 15:58 -0400, John Warf wrote: > We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have > included. After seeing all the replies my $0.02 worth.... Already included in the k12 is squirrelmail / webmail. On the K12 server we enabled apache, dovecot, sendmail and configured fetchmail to collect mail from our internet mail server as well as from individual users POP accounts (if they wish). Users are able to use evolution / kmail as independent mail clients or firefox / mozilla as webmail client. All this is running with load level rarely going high and slowing down the services. I am using the same server (CPU=AMD64 Mem=2GB Drive=2xSCSIxRAID1 NIC=100Mbps) to serve 35~30 concurrent terminals for office applications as well as mail / intranet (although very minimal) service. Earlier we had a single CPU Intel2.8Mhz on 865 mother board for the same location but with more than 25 users on line it started going slow. Food for thought? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Jun 11 10:42:35 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:42:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <1118463852.3401.16.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1118463852.3401.16.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Sudev Barar wrote: >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 15:58 -0400, John Warf wrote: > > >>We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based >>solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that >>is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have >>included. >> >> > >After seeing all the replies my $0.02 worth.... > >Already included in the k12 is squirrelmail / webmail. On the K12 server >we enabled apache, dovecot, sendmail and configured fetchmail to collect >mail from our internet mail server as well as from individual users POP >accounts (if they wish). Users are able to use evolution / kmail as >independent mail clients or firefox / mozilla as webmail client. All >this is running with load level rarely going high and slowing down the >services. > >I am using the same server (CPU=AMD64 Mem=2GB Drive=2xSCSIxRAID1 >NIC=100Mbps) to serve 35~30 concurrent terminals for office applications >as well as mail / intranet (although very minimal) service. Earlier we >had a single CPU Intel2.8Mhz on 865 mother board for the same location >but with more than 25 users on line it started going slow. > >Food for thought? > > Have a look at www.horde.org with there IMP webmail system. We currently use it and it's really good. Saying that we are moving away this year and starting to use a system based on OpenWebmail, the reason you might ask, one word "Webdisks". This gives student & staff the ability to upload & download files from there home dir actually from home all through a nice https enviroment cutting down the risks. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Jun 11 10:47:56 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:47:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing with LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <42A9DBDF.8040001@on.net.mk> References: <42A9DBDF.8040001@on.net.mk> Message-ID: <42AAC15C.4030200@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > Hello, > > I am using a Samba/LDAP combination installed with the smbldap script. > Every user on the network authenticates through this server. > > There are large drives on the computers through the network which I > would like to share with Samba. I would like to use the same LDAP server > for authentication of users accessing these shares. I've tried this by > adding the following lines : > > passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://192.168.0.254/ > ldap admin dn = cn=Manager,dc=vorteksed,dc=com,dc=mk > ldap suffix = dc=vorteksed,dc=com,dc=mk > ldap group suffix = ou=Groups > ldap user suffix = ou=Users > ldap machine suffix = ou=Computers > ldap idmap suffix = ou=Users > #ldap ssl = start tls > > , but without success (The IP of the LDAP server is 192.168.0.254). > > Has anybody tried to do something like this or any ideas maybe ? > > Best regards, > Peter D. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Do you mean you have other server / pc running Samba that you want to make available ? If so just set them to use your main Samba 3 / OpenLDAP server as there "password server" something like this in the smb.conf file password server = 192.168.0.254 I have about 3 Samba servers that authenticate against our main server. Currently we use NIS to share users & groups but in the summer moving over to completely LDAP. Not too hard as most of out servers are eithre Suse9.x or RH9 so LDAP / PAM stuff builtin. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From perodim at on.net.mk Sat Jun 11 16:46:21 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:46:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing with LDAP authentication Message-ID: <42AB155D.9030905@on.net.mk> Thanks for the hint but it didn't do the trick. I added the line password server = 192.168.0.254 to the smb.conf, but when I try to start the samba server I get the following error message in the /var/samba/smbd.log [2005/06/11 18:43:24, 1] libads/ldap.c:ads_connect(251) Failed to get ldap server info From perodim at on.net.mk Sat Jun 11 16:54:45 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:54:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing with LDAP authentication Message-ID: <42AB1755.3000001@on.net.mk> Sorry for the wrong information, Besides the error upon startup it seems that everything is working condition. Thanks for the advice. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 17:29:05 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:29:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1118463852.3401.16.camel@server.ltsp> <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello I'd like to also state that we use Horde.org, and with the newest version, they really have made the look-n-feel excellent, with many additional options available. Joseph On 6/11/05, Brian Chivers wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > > >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 15:58 -0400, John Warf wrote: > > > > > >>We are currently looking at going away from POP3 email to a web based > >>solution. Anyone have any good suggestions for a server program that > >>is free or low cost. Below are things that I would love to have > >>included. > >> > >> > > > >After seeing all the replies my $0.02 worth.... > > > >Already included in the k12 is squirrelmail / webmail. On the K12 server > >we enabled apache, dovecot, sendmail and configured fetchmail to collect > >mail from our internet mail server as well as from individual users POP > >accounts (if they wish). Users are able to use evolution / kmail as > >independent mail clients or firefox / mozilla as webmail client. All > >this is running with load level rarely going high and slowing down the > >services. > > > >I am using the same server (CPU=AMD64 Mem=2GB Drive=2xSCSIxRAID1 > >NIC=100Mbps) to serve 35~30 concurrent terminals for office applications > >as well as mail / intranet (although very minimal) service. Earlier we > >had a single CPU Intel2.8Mhz on 865 mother board for the same location > >but with more than 25 users on line it started going slow. > > > >Food for thought? > > > > > Have a look at www.horde.org with there IMP webmail system. We currently > use it and it's really good. Saying that we are moving away this year > and starting to use a system based on OpenWebmail, the reason you might > ask, one word "Webdisks". This gives student & staff the ability to > upload & download files from there home dir actually from home all > through a nice https enviroment cutting down the risks. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 11 17:34:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:34:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1118463852.3401.16.camel@server.ltsp> <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1118511240.11458.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 05:42, Brian Chivers wrote: > > > Have a look at www.horde.org with there IMP webmail system. We currently > use it and it's really good. Saying that we are moving away this year > and starting to use a system based on OpenWebmail, the reason you might > ask, one word "Webdisks". This gives student & staff the ability to > upload & download files from there home dir actually from home all > through a nice https enviroment cutting down the risks. If you have ssh open, anyone can copy files with scp at the command line or an assortment of gui tools like winscp for windows. The usermin mate to webmin also provides web email and file transfer. Note that as long as the email service really uses imap and the web interface(s) work with that, you can run any number of different services concurrently and let people use what they want. For people that use email a lot from a small set of machines, a 'real' imap client like evolution or outlook will be a lot easier to use than a web interface and just as secure when run over ssl and using smtp authentication, but it is nice to have the web interface too for occasional access from machines that don't have your preferred client set up. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jun 11 17:50:36 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:50:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Horde (Prof?) Message-ID: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> From: The Prof * To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Based Email * Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:29:05 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ Hello I'd like to also state that we use Horde.org, and with the newest version, they really have made the look-n-feel excellent, with many additional options available. Joseph Hello Joseph, I took a look at the horde project. I used horde a few years back. It's certainly come along. Do you use the gollem file manager? If so how's it working for you? Big on my summer to-do list is providing "Web Folders" to the students. This will cut down on issues associated with no CD access and buggy floppy access on terminals. Thanks, John From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 11 19:59:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:59:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Horde (Prof?) In-Reply-To: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1118519946.11718.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 12:50, John Baillie wrote: > Big on my summer to-do list is providing "Web Folders" to the students. > This will cut down on issues associated with no CD access and buggy floppy access on terminals. If you have webmin installed, you might like usermin. You can install and configue it through webmin, and it includes a utility for up/download as well as a full java-applet file manager. If the initial usermin interface seems too confusing, you can provide links directly to the applications on another web page and/or reduce the number of application that it offers. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From datakid at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 12:24:18 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:24:18 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Interview with Linus Torvalds In-Reply-To: <42A7A9B0.1030109@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <42A7A9B0.1030109@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <24261cd05061205241fc01606@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I really enjoyed that - congrats to Anthony Q L. (hobart, australia( On 6/9/05, Paul Nelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > We had a cool guest visit us at Riverdale. You can read the interview > posted by Anthony, a freshman in my Newspaper class on our school > newspaper-blog at: http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/maverick/ > > ;-) Paul > -- > ====================================================================== > Paul Nelson - Make things better. > http://pnelson.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From flin232 at yahoo.com.tw Sun Jun 12 13:24:42 2005 From: flin232 at yahoo.com.tw (lin freya) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:24:42 +0800 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] unsubscribed Message-ID: <20050612132442.66059.qmail@web17606.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> I don't wanna subscribed these mail Please tell me how to unsubscibed it. Thanks! ??????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Jun 12 13:28:53 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:28:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Horde (Prof?) In-Reply-To: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <42AC3895.9040708@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> John Baillie wrote: >From: The Prof > * To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." redhat com> > * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Based Email > * Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:29:05 -0400 > >________________________________________________________________________ >Hello > >I'd like to also state that we use Horde.org, and with the newest >version, they really have made the look-n-feel excellent, with many >additional options available. > >Joseph > > >Hello Joseph, > >I took a look at the horde project. I used horde a few years back. It's certainly come along. > >Do you use the gollem file manager? If so how's it working for you? >Big on my summer to-do list is providing "Web Folders" to the students. >This will cut down on issues associated with no CD access and buggy floppy access on terminals. > >Thanks, > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Have a look at Openwebmail, this offers "web-disks" it's really useful, we use it so users can get access from home. Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 14:18:20 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:18:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT : Ideas for K12LTSP usage? Message-ID: <42AC442C.5070202@comcast.net> All, I have a curious request. The director of the school where I volunteer has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in place of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin clients in classrooms. He is willing to set up the school as a tech demo for other local schools to see, provided we can get some funding approved (which seems likely). We already get a few other school directors and DOE personnel looking at what is currently in place, but he is willing to expand .... so .... innovative ideas? I already use LDAP for authentication, and tie into W2K Terminal Servers via rdesktop. I am implementing Backuppc (thanks Les) for school-wide backup (have server on order, over 1TB storage will be available). Teachers also want more MS OS-like capabilities: local CD-RW, multimedia, etc. Others want the instant grading/feedback systems that are now popular (kids get the handheld devices that let them select answers). I will be upgrading this summer to the latest K12 versions and thus will get some of this. The director is interested in just how close can the k12ltsp solution get to the traditional approach. One of the things that I think would be very intriguing is using TeacherTool/VncReflector to display student/teacher desktops to ceiling-mounted projectors (and/or other thin cliens) throughout the school. (there are commercial packages that do this, but can cost $$$ and I have had requests from other schools for exactly this capability) But ... can this be done easily? And would it be user-friendly and secure? And could video be streamed to such systems to provide in-school video broadcast? All of the projectors can be on a separate subnet if needed. Also, how about a central network-accessible CD-RW solution? Or an easy-to-access virtual CD tower using loopback-mounted ISO's? Anyhow, giving how well the K12LTSP 'experiment' has worked so far, he is willing to set up the school as a tech demo for alternatives to the traditional approach. I just need some help figuring out what can now be done while simultaneously holding down costs (both time, material and long-tem maintenance). Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark, Delaware From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jun 12 14:51:57 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:51:57 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT : Ideas for K12LTSP usage? In-Reply-To: <42AC442C.5070202@comcast.net> References: <42AC442C.5070202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1118587917.4688.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 10:18 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > I have a curious request. The director of the school where I > volunteer > has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in > place > of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin > clients in classrooms. -snip much descriptive ideas- ... and you are prepared to do all this as a volunteer? My hat off to you, you're one dedicated and selfless individual :-) Regards, Gavin Chester From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sun Jun 12 20:04:15 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:04:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] unsubscribed In-Reply-To: <20050612132442.66059.qmail@web17606.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> References: <20050612132442.66059.qmail@web17606.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118606654.9484.16.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:24, lin freya wrote: > I don't wanna subscribed these mail > Please tell me how to unsubscibed it. It's in every mail: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn Here you can do it. -- Henning Wangerin From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 12 21:55:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:55:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Horde (Prof?) In-Reply-To: <1118519946.11718.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1118519946.11718.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1118613354.26736.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 14:59, Les Mikesell wrote: > If you have webmin installed, you might like usermin. You can install > and configue it through webmin, and it includes a utility for > up/download as well as a full java-applet file manager. If the initial > usermin interface seems too confusing, you can provide links directly to > the applications on another web page and/or reduce the number of > application that it offers. I forgot to mention that you can also add other modules too. If you are providing email to people that don't normally log in at the command line you would probably want to add the 'vacation' module from http://webadminmodules.sourceforge.net/?page=Usermin so people can set an 'away' message with the web interface. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 10:36:24 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] trouble loading modules Message-ID: <20050613103624.21602.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I tried setting MODULE_01 = agpgart.o in lts.conf, because I think I need it (knoppix loads it). But on bootup of the thin client I get a messages something to the effect of "module agpgart.o not found". I double-checked the spelling and I made sure the module exists (sorry, I can't remember the exact location of it now). I checked a file called modules.dep and it did contain the correct path to agpgart.o. Can anybody tell me what I might be doing wrong? Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 10:56:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] linux dns trouble in a windows network Message-ID: <20050613105651.48834.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, I feel bad asking for windows advice here, but I think I'll get a more satisfactory answer from a linux crew... I'm working on putting some linux boxes (K12LTSP is one of them) into an existing Windows network which I don't have any control over. The problem is that the linux machines aren't able to do any dns lookups. /etc/resolv.conf shows the correct dns servers (the dns servers are windows machines). Here's some sample output: [root at rob etc]# nslookup hal9000 ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 10.0.0.6, trying next server Server: 10.0.0.3 Address: 10.0.0.3#53 ** server can't find hal9000: SERVFAIL The other part of my problem, which may or may not be related, is that the windows dns server seems to be unaware of the names of my linux boxes. I'm not sure if these problems are mis-configured linux machines, or a mis-configured windows dns server. Any help would be appreciated. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From aust_txv at access-k12.org Mon Jun 13 12:40:01 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <42A9FE87.1020404@maltzen.net> References: <42A9FE87.1020404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1118666401.3878.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Check out SquirrelMail at http://www.squirrelmail.org . Not to be paranoid, but if I can give a "thumbs up" for SM. I have been using it for about three years. It talks to an Alpha IMAP server at our DAsite. Never had a problem. Our DA site is moving away from Mulberry and using SM. My SM server is a RH 7.3 and XAMPP. Server issues... -SM can be a bit slow with a user with a bunch of folders. -Get a lot of RAM. Check http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/en_US/SquirrelMailPerformance - I use a php accelerator and 30 IMAP connections on a 1.8 P IV with a GIG of RAM runs very well. No complaints. qmail over sendmail ? No idea. POP3 ? No idea. We only use IMAP. I can also give some of the mods/plugins a "thumbs up." We use webcalng and our calendars show up in SM. Nice touch. The mail archiver is a cool one. Make your users back -up there own email :) have fun, Tom Ventresco From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 13 13:24:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:24:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001b01c5701b$377db3e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > 1) I currently use NIS, but plan to switch to LDAP. Is it > possible for > OSX to authenticate to an LDAP server? > > 2) How about mounting /home directories? Can the user's directory be > pointed to an NFS/SAMBA/ETC sharepoint, or do you just have > to figure a > way to mount a document folder on their desktop? For questions 1 and 2 check out my tutorial here http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html This will setup OSX to authenticate to a SAMBA/LDAP server, automount the /home, and store the entire user contents in /home giving you roaming profiles. > 3) Is a program like DeepFreeze required when using OSX? If > so, does it > work well with network authentication & directory sharing? If you do want to lock down a user that far OSX has a built in tool for locking down applications and such. But I am going to try just letting them use a non-privileged user. Since you need root or admin rights to install applications I think I will just try it first. If I have trouble I will lock it down tighter. > 4) Anyone know if files saved in Microsoft Office 2004 (on > OSX) can be > edited in openoffice? How about going from Office 98 (on my OS9 > machines) to Office 2004? Do the 2 versions of MS Office play well > together? Count on being able to go from 98 to 2004 but not the other way. Most things will work but powerpoints and more complicated stuff will most likely have small glitches. You can save down but this usually increases the filesize dramatically. As far as Open Office compatibility, I am still skeptical. Basic things seem to work fine, but when I get into borders, tables, styles, inserted pictures, then stuff starts to get substituted and things like to shift around. It reads them, it could just use better glasses in my opinion. > 5) If a user's /home directory is mounted on the eMac, can abilities > still be locked down? (ie, changing things in the hard drive, or > setting the background, removing dock items, etc) I think the built in OSX tool will still apply. But I haven't tested it, I will check it out. > 6) If the /home directory stores everything, so each user has > a unique > environment -- what kind of load on the network does that NFS share > take? More than a thin client? I will unfortunately find that out under fire. I will have all of our macs switched over running with /home mounted from the LDAP server by the end of the summer. I hope speeds are sufficient. We upgraded to a complete gigabit backbone to help handle the load. I wouldn't think it to be extreme since the files stay on the server. The only transfer I think should be while editing, I have my fingers crossed :-) > It looks like I had all questions, and no ideas. :) (ok, well, the > ideas sparked the questions, so I'll forgive myself!) Here is my question. I asked this to the list a few weeks ago. This setup will be great (I hope) except for laptops. I need a way to sync the server /home and user with a local user on the laptop. Otherwise when they bring the machine home they will have no files. And they will have to use some other local user. Ideas?? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 13 13:28:03 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:28:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarking k12ltsp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c5701b$b9b08b30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > The question of performance vs. price, scsi vs. sata, software raid > > vs. hardware raid, 100 Mb vs. 1000 Mb to the switch comes > up on this > > list enough to bring me to the following. > > > > Would it be reasonable / useful to come up with some sort > of k12ltsp > > benchmark procedure? > > > > I'm thinking of something where you boot up a given number of > > terminals, log on then run a script that runs a given set of tasks. > > THis is a great idea! Then we could really compare apples to > apples. When posting the results we would need to include > consistent system specs. I have no idea how to accomplish this but I think this is an excellent idea as well. It won't exactly tell you what hardware you'll need but it will help see %'s of difference between setups to help way costs in decision making. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 13 13:31:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:31:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <42AAC01B.3080102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001d01c5701c$3c2637e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Have a look at www.horde.org with there IMP webmail system. > We currently > use it and it's really good. Saying that we are moving away this year > and starting to use a system based on OpenWebmail, the reason > you might > ask, one word "Webdisks". This gives student & staff the ability to > upload & download files from there home dir actually from home all > through a nice https enviroment cutting down the risks. I have used OpenWebmail in our schools for a couple years now. I love the webdisk feature. Unfortunately it seems students email themselves the files more often than not. Oh well, maybe next year :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 13:29:26 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Benchmarking k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <001c01c5701b$b9b08b30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050613132926.86374.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would suggest designing multiple test scripts. One could include heavyweight apps like firefox, openoffice, etc. One could include lighter weight stuff, one could be a mix, etc. You'll need to collect input from users on this list to see what common software combinations should get representation in one of the test scripts. -Rob > > > The question of performance vs. price, scsi vs. > sata, software raid > > > vs. hardware raid, 100 Mb vs. 1000 Mb to the > switch comes > > up on this > > > list enough to bring me to the following. > > > > > > Would it be reasonable / useful to come up with > some sort > > of k12ltsp > > > benchmark procedure? > > > > > > I'm thinking of something where you boot up a > given number of > > > terminals, log on then run a script that runs a > given set of tasks. > > > > THis is a great idea! Then we could really compare > apples to > > apples. When posting the results we would need to > include > > consistent system specs. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bill at computassist.com Mon Jun 13 13:34:18 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:34:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: <001b01c5701b$377db3e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> <001b01c5701b$377db3e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050613083418.63ce37a3@localhost.localdomain> On Monday, Jun 13 Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Here is my question. I asked this to the list a few weeks ago. This > setup will be great (I hope) except for laptops. I need a way to sync > the server /home and user with a local user on the laptop. Otherwise > when they bring the machine home they will have no files. And they > will have to use some other local user. For the sync part of this question, Unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) works very well. As to the user, I think you can just give the local user access privileges to the synced user's files and be good to go, but I haven't tested this. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Mon Jun 13 13:02:31 2005 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Web Based Email In-Reply-To: <1118666401.3878.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42A9FE87.1020404@maltzen.net> <1118666401.3878.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <33109.10.20.1.246.1118667751.squirrel@www.mail.haywood.k12.nc.us> John, I've used squirrelmail and qmail for several years with no major problems. I use courier-imap/pop, sophos antivirus, spamassassin and use qmail with maildirs and qmail scanner. I run it all on dual processor p3 with 2g RAM with SCSI Raid 5. It's been very stable. qmail while well supported does require a few extra hoops to jump through to set up with other programs such as mailman etc... but is doable. msw -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jun 13 14:37:49 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:37:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head Message-ID: <42AD9A3D.3050904@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I need help. I have set up a small K12LTSP lab for my church's Media Center. I'm running version 4.2, and things have been running flawlessly for some time. Unfortunately my luck seems to have run out. Yesterday when I attempted to boot up a client I was unable to login properly. Gnome and KDE won't load. IceWm will load, but I can't do anything once I'm there because it can't load Gnome. I hooked a monitor and keyboard up to the server and found that I was getting repeated "segmentation fault" errors. I rebooted the server and was greeted with a "Your system appears to have shut down uncleanly" message. I pressed "Y" to "force file system integrity check." and was told that there were errors. Per the instructions on the screen I ran "fsck" (I don't really even know what that is) and answered "yes" to everything it asked me. After that the system booted up, but with a number of "failed" status messages during the boot process. Now, I'm basically back to where I started. I can log on with the "Failsafe Terminal," but pretty much every command returns the "segmentation fault" error message. Naturally, I never bothered to make backups of anything, and I would really rather avoid a rebuild. I booted from the CD using the "linux rescue" option, but really had no idea what to do once I got to the command prompt. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "...The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Jun 13 16:02:50 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:02:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <1118613354.26736.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1118519946.11718.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1118613354.26736.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200506131602.50485.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> G'day, has anyone managed to get the vnc option working in Teacher Tool, and if so would they be willing to share how they did this? I am of the opinion that there is a fundamental flaw with the command that TT runs; said command is vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd server:99 We are expecting the server to be called "server" and the vncserver to be running on port 99 of the server. Thin clients don't acutally run a vncserver, so I can see how it is possible to connect to a logged in thin client. This is obviously a desirable thing to do as we want the teachers to be able to see what the students are up to and, if necessary, do something on the students screen, all from the comfort of the teachers desk. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From aust_txv at access-k12.org Mon Jun 13 15:58:33 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:58:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: 2D animation programs from linux ( cartoon creation tools ) Message-ID: <1118678313.3878.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> First, have a safe and fun summer. I am trying to give my art department something...either thins or thick linux workstations for GIMP, Blender, and X I am looking for some tools for cartoon level animation. Ktoon ? Anyone ? I know that may animation studios use linux as a replacement for IRIX ! That is so cool. No they don't use Adobe Photoshop :) :) Or MS windows anything. Pixar has their own tools group that writes custom tools. Now that is a cool job. I believe the movie "Spirit" is hand-draw but the animation is CG. Blender for 2d ? I have been pushing Blender due to render farming. With the ramp map feature for materials I imagine you can get some anime type effects. Any other districts using OpenSource in their art departments ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:08:45 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:08:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: 2D animation programs from linux ( cartoon creation tools ) In-Reply-To: <1118678313.3878.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118678313.3878.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Tom Ventresco wrote: > I am trying to give my art department something...either thins or thick > linux workstations for GIMP, Blender, and X I am looking for some tools > for cartoon level animation. Ktoon ? Anyone ? Look at Moho: http://www.lostmarble.com/ They have a version for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. It's pretty cool software and is fully functional in the demo except for a watermark on all output. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 13 16:09:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head In-Reply-To: <42AD9A3D.3050904@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42AD9A3D.3050904@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1118678975.26143.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 09:37, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Per the instructions on the screen I ran "fsck" (I don't really > even know what that is) and answered "yes" to everything it asked me. > After that the system booted up, but with a number of "failed" status > messages during the boot process. Now, I'm basically back to where I > started. I can log on with the "Failsafe Terminal," but pretty much > every command returns the "segmentation fault" error message. > Naturally, I never bothered to make backups of anything, and I would > really rather avoid a rebuild. I booted from the CD using the "linux > rescue" option, but really had no idea what to do once I got to the > command prompt. Does anyone have any suggestions? At the least you have filesystem corruption to the point of breaking your shared libraries and a fairly common cause of that would be hardware disk problems. It is possible that losing power while the disk is active can scribble randomly on the disk but it is equally likely that the drive is going bad - otherwise it is unusual to lose files that weren't being updated as the machine goes down. The bottom line is that trying to recover without reinstalling from scratch is probably a waste of time and you really need to do some diagnostics on the drive first. If you have another machine with some disk space for temporary storage you have a chance of being able to recover at least some of the files over the network either using boot CD in rescue mode or a knoppix cd if you have one. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Mon Jun 13 16:30:23 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers Message-ID: Dear Folks, any advice on how to get the terminal printers to work on stock k12 4.2.1? The masses are getting restive and the jet direct boxes are not cheap. Thanks, julius From klaus at skolelinux.no Mon Jun 13 16:32:13 2005 From: klaus at skolelinux.no (Klaus Ade Johnstad) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:32:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: 2D animation programs from linux ( cartoon creation =?iso-8859-1?q?tools=09?=) In-Reply-To: <1118678313.3878.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118678313.3878.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200506131832.13711.klaus@skolelinux.no> mandag 13. juni 2005, 17:58, skrev Tom Ventresco: > Any other districts using OpenSource in their art departments ? > > Thanks, > > Tom Ventresco You should definetly have a look at stopmotion. I lets you capture stilimages from (web)cameras, and produce movies from the images, great fun with Lego. http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2005-hig-stopmotion/index.htm Klaus From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jun 13 15:43:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:43:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: <200506131754.j5DHsfj29061@downeast.net> Martin: i added a couple buttons to teachertool to use x11vnc to connect because vnc wont connect to display 0..there is some stuff up on wiki.ltsp.org under experimental i put up..chuck > G'day, > has anyone managed to get the vnc option working in Teacher Tool, and if so > would they be willing to share how they did this? I am of the opinion that > there is a fundamental flaw with the command that TT runs; said command is > vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd server:99 > We are expecting the server to be called "server" and the vncserver to be > running on port 99 of the server. Thin clients don't acutally run a > vncserver, so I can see how it is possible to connect to a logged in thin > client. This is obviously a desirable thing to do as we want the teachers to > be able to see what the students are up to and, if necessary, do something on > the students screen, all from the comfort of the teachers desk. > > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Jun 13 16:42:52 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:42:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT : Ideas for K12LTSP usage? Message-ID: <061320051642.2430.42ADB78C0002654F0000097E22058860149C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 10:18 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > > I have a curious request. The director of the school where I > > volunteer > > has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in > > place > > of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin > > clients in classrooms. > > -snip much descriptive ideas- > > ... and you are prepared to do all this as a volunteer? My hat off to > you, you're one dedicated and selfless individual :-) > > Not so much, my daughter was attending the school the last four years (graduates tonight). I am just investing in her future. And ... it isn't that hard to maintain once it is set up and running (few hours each week). The school librarian is really interested in learning this, so he has picked up most of the mundane day-to-day issues. Plus I occasionally bug this list in a crisis, so a burden shared is much easier. ;) Seriously, any ideas anyone? I'll take any ideas. The school director that is willing to really promote this and as a Charter School, we get some visibility. I have to have something back to him by 27 June and would really like this to fly. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 10:18 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > > I have a curious request. The director of the school where I > > volunteer > > has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in > > place > > of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin > > clients in classrooms. > > -snip much descriptive ideas- > > ... and you are prepared to do all this as a volunteer? My hat off to > you, you're one dedicated and selfless individual :-) > > > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon Jun 13 14:57:12 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:57:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head In-Reply-To: <42AD9A3D.3050904@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200506131711.j5DHBQR6032213@mx1.redhat.com> Mark, been there myself, This sounds like a hardware failure in your system. Try reseating your hard drive cables, or change them for newer ones. Hopefully it's not a hard drive failure. If you are able to get it running again, perform a full system backup. --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cockrell Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:38 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head Hello all, I need help. I have set up a small K12LTSP lab for my church's Media Center. I'm running version 4.2, and things have been running flawlessly for some time. Unfortunately my luck seems to have run out. Yesterday when I attempted to boot up a client I was unable to login properly. Gnome and KDE won't load. IceWm will load, but I can't do anything once I'm there because it can't load Gnome. I hooked a monitor and keyboard up to the server and found that I was getting repeated "segmentation fault" errors. I rebooted the server and was greeted with a "Your system appears to have shut down uncleanly" message. I pressed "Y" to "force file system integrity check." and was told that there were errors. Per the instructions on the screen I ran "fsck" (I don't really even know what that is) and answered "yes" to everything it asked me. After that the system booted up, but with a number of "failed" status messages during the boot process. Now, I'm basically back to where I started. I can log on with the "Failsafe Terminal," but pretty much every command returns the "segmentation fault" error message. Naturally, I never bothered to make backups of anything, and I would really rather avoid a rebuild. I booted from the CD using the "linux rescue" option, but really had no idea what to do once I got to the command prompt. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "...The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:13:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:13:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT : Ideas for K12LTSP usage? In-Reply-To: <061320051642.2430.42ADB78C0002654F0000097E22058860149C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <061320051642.2430.42ADB78C0002654F0000097E22058860149C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 10:18 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > > > I have a curious request. The director of the school where I > > > volunteer > > > has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in > > > place > > > of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin > > > clients in classrooms. Thought train (over generalized, of course): 1. Teachers can only teach what they know and are familiar with 2. MS/Windows on the desktop has led toward teachers being trained in application software: office productivity, graphics, etc. This is partly due to lack of detailed programming knowlege, partly because actual code is proprietary. 3. The teachers teach this application software to their students 4. Students learn application software, or clerical skills 5. Schools spend about $2500/year/computer (TCO with hardware and licensing) to teach students clerical skills Seems like K12/LTSP allows for something new. I know this is not a "technology innvation," but bear with me. 1. LTSP is based on Open Source software 2. Given training and help from the Open Source community, teachers could teach programming concepts and be able to work with the actual code 3. Students could actually work on Open Source projects, participate in a larger community of programmers, and help solve actual problems 4. Schools would spend about $200/year/computer to be able to impart "knowledge." I've actually got a project that really needs to be done, that I think a group of students could work on and make a reality. The used computer industry in this country is floundering. 80% of used computers, we believe, get put in containers and shipped overseas. This is because, in part, Microsoft has made it almost impossible to transfer a Windows license, and the cost of a new license is usually more than the value of the computer. However, Microsoft has a program where non-profit computer refurbishers can get a new license for $5 for computers being given to schools or non-profit groups. So only non-profit groups can solve this environmental/recycling issue. But the non-profit groups are mostly labors of love that started in someone's garage, and have limited capabilities. In particular, an inventory/tracking system for non-profit refurbishers would make a huge difference--both in their ability to process used computers at a reasonable cost, and their ability to guarantee donors that they can report on where the equipment ultimately ends up. Trying to take an existing commercial inventory package to do this will face the hurdles of the commercial licensing and prohibitive costs. But a php/mysql, web-based system could probably be built over time that could have a huge impact on computer recycling in this country. Anyway, I got carried away. Original thought: innovation may not be in technological demonstration, but in teaching methods... Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:16:45 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:16:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <200506131602.50485.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> <1118519946.11718.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1118613354.26736.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <200506131602.50485.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Martin Woolley wrote: > G'day, > has anyone managed to get the vnc option working in Teacher Tool, and if so > would they be willing to share how they did this? I am of the opinion that > there is a fundamental flaw with the command that TT runs; said command is > vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd server:99 The reason for this is that you should use TT in conjunction with vncreflector which can be setup to reflect off port 99 > We are expecting the server to be called "server" and the vncserver to be Good point. If you set your hostname to something other than the default then you will be in trouble. This needs to be fixed. When I finish the new TT this summer I will see if I can replace it with `hostname` > running on port 99 of the server. Thin clients don't acutally run a > vncserver, so I can see how it is possible to connect to a logged in thin > client. This is obviously a desirable thing to do as we want the teachers to > be able to see what the students are up to and, if necessary, do something on > the students screen, all from the comfort of the teachers desk. Actually it's purpose was to allow the students to see what the teacher is doing. ie demos. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:46:25 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:46:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Horde (Prof?) In-Reply-To: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> References: <1118512236.12744.505.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/11/05, John Baillie wrote: > Big on my summer to-do list is providing "Web Folders" to the students. > This will cut down on issues associated with no CD access and buggy floppy access on terminals. We use Web-ftp (http://www.web-ftp.org/) so students have access to their home folder when they are at home. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From steve at sierra-computer.com Mon Jun 13 17:40:33 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:40:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42ADC511.6010803@sierra-computer.com> Julius We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. They work great. Steve Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Dear Folks, > any advice on how to get the terminal printers to work on stock k12 >4.2.1? The masses are getting restive and the jet direct boxes are not >cheap. Thanks, julius > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From bklinux at verizon.net Mon Jun 13 18:24:54 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:24:54 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and NovaNET Message-ID: <42ADCF76.5040101@verizon.net> Does anyone know if NovaNET can be successfully installed on a K12LTSP server? --bk From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 13 18:27:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:27:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <42ADC511.6010803@sierra-computer.com> References: <42ADC511.6010803@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <1118687260.26143.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:40, Steve Knopik wrote: > We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. > They work great. Or, if you have some spare client PC's with hard drives you could do a 'fat-client' install or just dedicate one to drive printers. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 18:41:51 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:41:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <1118687260.26143.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <42ADC511.6010803@sierra-computer.com> <1118687260.26143.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: So, I'm not sure I understand the question, because I follow the instructions on the k12 wiki for installing printers off of terminals, and I never have any problems from stock k12 installs. It's really quite easy. Am I missing something? Do you just need some helping being talked through it? I'd be glad to do that for you if it would help. Steve On 6/13/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:40, Steve Knopik wrote: > > > We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. > > They work great. > > Or, if you have some spare client PC's with hard drives you could do a > 'fat-client' install or just dedicate one to drive printers. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Mon Jun 13 19:00:34 2005 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:00:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Folks In-Reply-To: <42AA0E33.9020104@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: > marksarria at socal.rr.com wrote: >> I too will be setting up 2 Mac labs, one for our graphics art department >> and another for an online English course. It would be helpful if the >> ideas were posted for all to see and comment about or add to... > > Ok, I'll start spewing ideas & questions on the list. Maybe some of you > guys & gals will have some insight, success stories, new ideas, etc. > Here we go: > > 1) I currently use NIS, but plan to switch to LDAP. Is it possible for > OSX to authenticate to an LDAP server? > Absolutely! > 2) How about mounting /home directories? Can the user's directory be > pointed to an NFS/SAMBA/ETC sharepoint, or do you just have to figure a > way to mount a document folder on their desktop? You can do network home directories using NFS or AFP. > > 3) Is a program like DeepFreeze required when using OSX? If so, does it > work well with network authentication & directory sharing? > Not sure what deep freeze is. > 4) Anyone know if files saved in Microsoft Office 2004 (on OSX) can be > edited in openoffice? How about going from Office 98 (on my OS9 > machines) to Office 2004? Do the 2 versions of MS Office play well > together? I never have problems opening old word documents, or even PC word documents and vice versa. > > 5) If a user's /home directory is mounted on the eMac, can abilities > still be locked down? (ie, changing things in the hard drive, or > setting the background, removing dock items, etc) Yes you would manage the client using the MCX settings from your ldap server. > > 6) If the /home directory stores everything, so each user has a unique > environment -- what kind of load on the network does that NFS share > take? More than a thin client? > Got me on this one. > > It looks like I had all questions, and no ideas. :) (ok, well, the > ideas sparked the questions, so I'll forgive myself!) > I would read up on OSX server. All the stuff in osx server is opensource. Like their ldap server is openldap, they use samba, etc. So you'll get a feeling of what is possible to do for your clients and how to do it. - Jamie http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/ > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Jun 13 19:40:52 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:40:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <1118687260.26143.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <42ADC511.6010803@sierra-computer.com> <1118687260.26143.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1118691652.9484.32.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 20:27, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:40, Steve Knopik wrote: > > > We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. > > They work great. > > Or, if you have some spare client PC's with hard drives you could do a > 'fat-client' install or just dedicate one to drive printers. Why fat clients for that? Setup a box as thin client, but with no screen, keyboard and mouse. Instead one or more printers setup thru /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf But of course a "normal" printer-server don't take up that much space ;-) -- Henning Wangerin -- Henning Wangerin From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 13 20:10:34 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:10:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 16, Issue 15 Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01FCB@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >> We should be able to choose any recorded content, play pause >> and rewind from any PC on the network. If anyone is >> interested, I'll post the results. >Note that unless you want to stream multicast to many clients at >once you can skip all the complicated server side stuff and let the >clients access the files directly via NFS or samba. >-- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com Sure, it's simpler, but not better. That way involves having to install the correct video codecs on each machine, then trying to manually browse through a list of machine generated filenames that look like numerical gibberish. The frontend application takes care of all that. I tried it out on my home network this weekend. A DVD quality file will not stream smoothly over a 10Mb hd link. Almost, but not quite. 100 Mb hd works fine. I would expect 1 or 2, possibly 3 clients on 802.11g would work also at DVD quality. It really is pretty slick, the quality is excellent. Plus, multicasting is out, the students need to be able to rewind and replay individually on demand. I've almost got it working on a PowerPC client also, it looks promising. Hopefully this week. Sean Harbour sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It records a vnc session to a Flash file, though I understand there are some limitations on the length of time that may be recorded. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From missive at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 22:47:31 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:17:31 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] OT : Ideas for K12LTSP usage? Message-ID: >I have a curious request. The director of the school where I volunteer >has asked me what innovative ways are out there to use K12LTSP in place >of more traditional approaches to IT beyond the simple use of thin >clients in classrooms. I keep seeing the "no educational software" thread pop up (which usually means that reader rabbit or something is hard to set up on Linux), but there is seriously some amazing software available that I think is going unnoticed. Things like ... kalzium kstars kig kmplot Or even just things like ... Python R matplotlib ODE ... which are "programming" tools or languages, but are so useful that it is sad that our students are not being introduced to them. (All students. Not just those learning computer programming) I also think that all the LAN power out there is mostly being wasted. The students just want to "get on the internet", but hook them up with a nice LAN game (bzflag works well) and then start to imagine the possibilities. We found a nice game today called xtux. It is a bit on the gory side (so may not be appropriate everywhere) but I was really impressed how at first they were just blowing each other up, but by the end of the period they had figured out that they needed to work together to destroy the real enemies. Nice! Or how about some collaborative projects? Introduce kids to the idea of revision control (A little subversion never hurt anyone...) Collaborative note taking... Every class could have a wiki. Every class should definitely have a web page. I don't think any of this depends on using k12ltsp, but I think it does require the kind of thinking that led to k12ltsp. We need to teach kids how to use the networks. They need to know how to find the existing networks that can help with existing problems, and how to create new networks for the problems that have never been addressed before. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 00:33:40 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:33:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: Haven't had a lot of time to do much testing. Year end stuff and all. Haven't found any show stoppers but I have noticed that #yum install inkscape doesn't work. Also, I can't find gnucash. Does anyone know the packages that are included with FC but not in Centos? Seems gnucash is such an app. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Jun 14 02:14:06 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:14:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop/rdp wont show at login Message-ID: <00f201c57086$be40e620$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi All, Anyone have a good recipe,,for getting a simple CTL-ALT-F4 to take you to a windows server login,,,at the K12ltsp login? I have the following in my lts.conf: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell SCREEN_03 = telnet SCREEN_04 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = ipaddress RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u -d Ive read a while back were some keyboard mappings dont work right with rdesktop? All I get when I do CTL-ALT-F4 is a "login to enter" in the middle of the monitor, When i press ENTER,nothing happens,or goes to a cursor in the upper left of monitor. Rats! I have a couple shell scripts on the Linux desktop... to take users to a particular server and this works fine,,( along with the Linux Terminal Server GUI),,,but would like the "login RDP" to get working . May be a simpler login ,,in some cases... We are using K12LTSP 4.2.0 Any advice/criticism/laughs/ideas,,would be appreciated,,, Thanks,, Barry From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 14 03:07:39 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop/rdp wont show at login In-Reply-To: <00f201c57086$be40e620$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <00f201c57086$be40e620$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: Barry, If you've got the latest LTSP (4.1.1) or the latest k12ltsp, you shouldn't be having a keyboard mapping problem. That's been fixed. Have you edited your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab file to enable more than the first 3 screen scripts? By default, only SCREEN_01 through SCREEN_03 are set to do anything. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone have a good recipe,,for getting a simple CTL-ALT-F4 to take you > to a windows server login,,,at the K12ltsp login? > > I have the following in my lts.conf: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = shell > SCREEN_03 = telnet > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = ipaddress > RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u -d > > Ive read a while back were some keyboard mappings dont work right with > rdesktop? > > All I get when I do CTL-ALT-F4 is a "login to enter" in the middle of > the monitor, > When i press ENTER,nothing happens,or goes to a cursor in the upper left > of monitor. Rats! > > I have a couple shell scripts on the Linux desktop... to take users to a > particular server and this works fine,,( along with the Linux Terminal > Server GUI),,,but would like the "login RDP" to get working . May be a > simpler login ,,in some cases... > > We are using K12LTSP 4.2.0 > > Any advice/criticism/laughs/ideas,,would be appreciated,,, > > Thanks,, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jun 14 05:01:14 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:01:14 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] sound Message-ID: <200506140502.j5E52YGa009891@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I was using esd just fine until now with my Compaq deskpro C300s with ESS sound card. Now I installed a new one C400 and things have gone funny. ESD test works under multimedia systems selector. The tone sounds. I can play ogg files from xmms if I set the workstation number properly. But trusty tuxmath is silent from workstation for regular users. But every workstation makes sound in tuxmath if root is logged in. 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The masses are getting restive and the jet direct boxes are not Step one fix the IP for each terminal that is get printer attached. Need to edit the /etc/dhcpd.conf and add a section for each NIC (based on MAC address). Step two edit the lts.conf file and add section for each terminal and define additional modules to be loaded for printer (usb/uhci etc..) for which see example lines in the stock k12 lts.conf that are commented out. Step three use printtool (you will need root password) and add printers for each workstation. Typically we name them PrinterWSxx) define this as jetdirect printer attached at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9100 (where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP for workstation) select [print driver and save. Step four restart dhcpd & cups services. Step five restart the workstation with printer attached and print. No need for jetdirect box! HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From genfil at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 08:25:47 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:25:47 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MToolsFM Permission denied Message-ID: Help! I can not access to the floppy. I used MToolsFM 1.9-3 but I get: "Permission denied, authentication failed!Auth failied: Device locked!Drive 'A:' not supported Cannot initilized 'A:' I already uncomment the line in lts.conf RCFILE_01 = floppyd but wont access. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 14 09:34:33 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:04:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] MToolsFM Permission denied In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118741673.2327.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:55, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > Help! > I can not access to the floppy. I used MToolsFM 1.9-3 but I get: > "Permission denied, authentication failed!Auth failied: Device > locked!Drive 'A:' not supported Cannot initilized 'A:' > I already uncomment the line in lts.conf > RCFILE_01 = floppyd > but wont access. Probably you need to change permissions on /dev/fd0 using chmod?? HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 10:52:17 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 16, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01FCB@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050614105217.29583.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If this is meant to play on regular tv sets, then DVD quality is probably not necessary. A regular (non-high-definition) has the same resolution as VHS (approximately). DVD's look better than VHS on a regular TV because it is a better medium (less noise, better color representation, etc), but not necessarily because of its higher resolution. Off the top of my head (might not be exact, but pretty close): VHS / standard TV -- 352x240 DVD -- 720x480 A DVD resolution file has double the pixels in both directions, so it ends up being 4 times the size of a VHS resolution file. There's also bitrate and frames per second to consider, both of which contribute to file size. In general, I think it's safe to reduce the bitrate from the dvd standard, which is something like 7000 kbps. For web video, folks often consider it acceptable to cut the framerate in half. This results is slightly jumpy video, which might not be acceptable in a school setting. -Rob --- Sean Harbour wrote: > > I tried it out on my home network this weekend. A > DVD quality file will not stream smoothly over a > 10Mb hd link. Almost, but not quite. 100 Mb hd works > fine. I would expect 1 or 2, possibly 3 clients on > 802.11g would work also at DVD quality. It really is > pretty slick, the quality is excellent. Plus, > multicasting is out, the students need to be able to > rewind and replay individually on demand. I've > almost got it working on a PowerPC client also, it > looks promising. Hopefully this week. > > Sean Harbour > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 11:01:53 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head In-Reply-To: <200506131711.j5DHBQR6032213@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050614110153.30018.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I assume you're not using IDE drives, but just in case: Somehow when I was switching things around in my computer, I ended up with a "slow cable" (what is it, 40 wire?) running between my "fast" IDE controller and my "fast" hard drive (ATA133 vs ATA100). This caused all kinds of read errors. I thought I had a bad drive, then I switched back to the "fast cable" (80 wire, I think--the one with the blue plug) and all was well. -Rob --- Mark Sarria wrote: > Mark, been there myself, > This sounds like a hardware failure in your system. > Try reseating your hard > drive cables, or change them for newer ones. > Hopefully it's not a hard drive > failure. > If you are able to get it running again, perform a > full system backup. > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Cockrell > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:38 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] In over my head > > Hello all, > I need help. I have set up a small K12LTSP lab > for my church's > Media Center. I'm running version 4.2, and things > have been running > flawlessly for some time. Unfortunately my luck > seems to have run out. > Yesterday when I attempted to boot up a client I was > unable to login > properly. Gnome and KDE won't load. IceWm will > load, but I can't do > anything once I'm there because it can't load Gnome. > I hooked a monitor > and keyboard up to the server and found that I was > getting repeated > "segmentation fault" errors. I rebooted the server > and was greeted with > a "Your system appears to have shut down uncleanly" > message. I pressed > "Y" to "force file system integrity check." and was > told that there were > errors. Per the instructions on the screen I ran > "fsck" (I don't really > even know what that is) and answered "yes" to > everything it asked me. > After that the system booted up, but with a number > of "failed" status > messages during the boot process. Now, I'm > basically back to where I > started. I can log on with the "Failsafe Terminal," > but pretty much > every command returns the "segmentation fault" error > message. > Naturally, I never bothered to make backups of > anything, and I would > really rather avoid a rebuild. I booted from the CD > using the "linux > rescue" option, but really had no idea what to do > once I got to the > command prompt. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "...The man who knows how will always have a job. > The man who also knows > why will always be his boss." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 12:55:22 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <1118733706.25502.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > any advice on how to get the terminal printers to work on stock k12 > > 4.2.1? The masses are getting restive and the jet direct boxes are not > > Step one fix the IP for each terminal that is get printer attached. Need > to edit the /etc/dhcpd.conf and add a section for each NIC (based on MAC > address). > Step two edit the lts.conf file and add section for each terminal and > define additional modules to be loaded for printer (usb/uhci etc..) for > which see example lines in the stock k12 lts.conf that are commented > out. > Step three use printtool (you will need root password) and add printers > for each workstation. Typically we name them PrinterWSxx) define this as > jetdirect printer attached at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9100 (where > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP for workstation) select [print driver and > save. > Step four restart dhcpd & cups services. > Step five restart the workstation with printer attached and print. > > No need for jetdirect box! HTH > > -- > Sudev Barar Sudev, we have a misunderstanding here. This are the printers that worked fine before the upgrade, they don't work now. The queues get created correctly, but no printing occurs. julius From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 12:58:25 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <1118691652.9484.32.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 20:27, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:40, Steve Knopik wrote: > > > > > We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. > > > They work great. > > > > Or, if you have some spare client PC's with hard drives you could do a > > 'fat-client' install or just dedicate one to drive printers. > > Why fat clients for that? > > Setup a box as thin client, but with no screen, keyboard and mouse. > Instead one or more printers setup thru /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > But of course a "normal" printer-server don't take up that much space > ;-) > > -- > Henning Wangerin Henning, therein lies the problem - the printers attached to terminals refuse to print after the upgrade from k12 3.1.2 to 4.2.1. The lts conf file is clean, the queues get created, no printing. julius From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 13:02:24 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > So, I'm not sure I understand the question, because I follow the > instructions on the k12 wiki for installing printers off of terminals, > and I never have any problems from stock k12 installs. It's really > quite easy. > > Am I missing something? Do you just need some helping being talked > through it? I'd be glad to do that for you if it would help. > > Steve > > On 6/13/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:40, Steve Knopik wrote: > > > > > We have purchased some jetdirect boxes off of Ebay for almost nothing. > > > They work great. > > > > Or, if you have some spare client PC's with hard drives you could do a > > 'fat-client' install or just dedicate one to drive printers. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > -- > Steve Hargadon Steve, I think I know how to set up terminal printing, it is just that it stopped working after the upgrade. The question was more "does it work for anybody in k12 4.1.2, and if so what do you differently from my setup?". if it doesn't than the question would be "should i load the old ltsp setup and wait to upgrade it whren the fix comes?" julius From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 14 13:25:50 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Sudev Barar > > Sudev, we have a misunderstanding here. This are the printers that worked > fine before the upgrade, they don't work now. The queues get created > correctly, but no printing occurs. Seems like some simple troubleshooting is in order here. Can you telnet to port 9100 on the client and start typing? Hit Ctrl-L, and it should eject the page. If the connection is refused, then the lp_server daemon probably isn't running. In that case, maybe it's not loading the kernel modules required for the printer. What type of interface does the printer have? (Serial/Parallel/USB) Can you send us a copy of your lts.conf file? Printing on printers connected to LTSP-4.1.1 terminals DOES work. I've seen it with my own eyes. If it's not working for you, i'm pretty sure we can get it figured out. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From etyack at acurrus.com Tue Jun 14 13:46:46 2005 From: etyack at acurrus.com (Erick S. Tyack) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:46:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118756806.6442.14.camel@ett40.acurrus.com> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 09:25 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Sudev Barar > > > > Sudev, we have a misunderstanding here. This are the printers that worked > > fine before the upgrade, they don't work now. The queues get created > > correctly, but no printing occurs. > > > Seems like some simple troubleshooting is in order here. > > Can you telnet to port 9100 on the client and start typing? > Hit Ctrl-L, and it should eject the page. > > If the connection is refused, then the lp_server daemon probably isn't > running. In that case, maybe it's not loading the kernel modules > required for the printer. > > What type of interface does the printer have? (Serial/Parallel/USB) > > Can you send us a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > Printing on printers connected to LTSP-4.1.1 terminals DOES work. I've > seen it with my own eyes. If it's not working for you, i'm pretty sure > we can get it figured out. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > julius > > Does K12LTSP v 4.1.2 run LTSP 4.1? If so there is a bug where PRINTER_0_DEVICE is actually PRINTER_1_DEVICE, ex: PRINTER_1_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_1_TYPE = P This bug is fixed in LTSP 4.1.1, which is what K12LTSP 4.2 is running. -- Erick S. Tyack Acurrus Consulting, LLC Email: etyack at acurrus.com 2313 Clawson Ave. Voice: 248.302.1855 Royal Oak, MI 48073 Fax: 248.928.5239 Public key id 2A2FE9DD available at wwwkeys.pgp.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jun 14 15:35:18 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:35:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <200506131754.j5DHsfj29061@downeast.net> References: <200506131754.j5DHsfj29061@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200506141535.18122.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 13 June 2005 15:43, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Martin: i added a couple buttons to teachertool to use x11vnc to connect > because vnc wont connect to display 0..there is some stuff up on > wiki.ltsp.org under experimental i put up..chuck Thanks for the info Chuck; I didn't persue the x11vnc route but your advice was still helpful 'cus on the same page is some info regarding vnc.so and I have successfully set this up and I can control desktops. A little more tweaking in the security area and I'd say we're there. I wish I'd known that this info was there before. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 14 14:22:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:22:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: <200506141632.j5EGWuJ10188@downeast.net> martin: So vnc.so was fairly trivial to set up?? Any notes you can take would be a big help..Thanks for comeback CHuck> On Monday 13 June 2005 15:43, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > Martin: i added a couple buttons to teachertool to use x11vnc to connect > > because vnc wont connect to display 0..there is some stuff up on > > wiki.ltsp.org under experimental i put up..chuck > > Thanks for the info Chuck; I didn't persue the x11vnc route but your advice > was still helpful 'cus on the same page is some info regarding vnc.so and I > have successfully set this up and I can control desktops. A little more > tweaking in the security area and I'd say we're there. I wish I'd known that > this info was there before. > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 14 15:45:27 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:45:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ibook-->windows dhcp Message-ID: <200506141756.j5EHu2J26551@downeast.net> Jim: puzzling over using windows to provide dhcp parameters..i can get yaboot down fine but cant seem to read yaboot.conf..Anyway if you are around maybe i coul;d share the misery with you on #ltsp..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Jun 14 18:12:40 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? Message-ID: <53869.199.216.98.51.1118772760.squirrel@199.216.98.51> One of my annoyances with K12LTSP is the extremely slow printing. We print directly to the IP address of a HP 4000 laserjet with Jet direct card. It uses CUPS v1.1.22rc1 (K12LTSP 4.2) The printer waits between each page. The CPU usage (dual 2.4Ghz Xeon) goes to 100% on both CPUs when printing. When only one job is printing, one CPU will be on 100% the other lower, but with multiple docs in the queue (http://127.0.0.1:631) both CPU's peak at 100% ... an the printing takes a day and an age. This is especially frustrating as we are writing diploma exams, a lab of 22 people writing simultaneously. The students can print a copy and then edit it one more time before printing the final copy. When it takes 10 mins to get your copy out of the printer queue, the editing time is gone before you can use it. :-( There has got to be a better way to do this printing!! Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 18:44:26 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:44:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? Message-ID: <061420051844.22944.42AF258A000B5DEC000059A022007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Joe, You don't mention what package you are using for printing, but ... check the pspfontcache as a possible cause of slow printing if using OOo or StarOffice. The thread at http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=5114&highlight= discusses it (a quick google for pspfontcache) Just delete the file for each user, and create a new file (touch pspfontcache) and set it to read only (chmod 444). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > One of my annoyances with K12LTSP is the extremely slow printing. We > print directly to the IP address of a HP 4000 laserjet with Jet direct > card. It uses CUPS v1.1.22rc1 (K12LTSP 4.2) > > The printer waits between each page. The CPU usage (dual 2.4Ghz Xeon) > goes to 100% on both CPUs when printing. When only one job is printing, > one CPU will be on 100% the other lower, but with multiple docs in the > queue (http://127.0.0.1:631) both CPU's peak at 100% ... an the printing > takes a day and an age. > > This is especially frustrating as we are writing diploma exams, a lab of > 22 people writing simultaneously. The students can print a copy and then > edit it one more time before printing the final copy. When it takes 10 > mins to get your copy out of the printer queue, the editing time is gone > before you can use it. :-( > > There has got to be a better way to do this printing!! > > > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 19:16:19 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> > Sudev Barar >> >> Sudev, we have a misunderstanding here. This are the printers that >> worked >> fine before the upgrade, they don't work now. The queues get created >> correctly, but no printing occurs. > > > Seems like some simple troubleshooting is in order here. > > Can you telnet to port 9100 on the client and start typing? > Hit Ctrl-L, and it should eject the page. > > If the connection is refused, then the lp_server daemon probably isn't > running. In that case, maybe it's not loading the kernel modules > required for the printer. > > What type of interface does the printer have? (Serial/Parallel/USB) > > Can you send us a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > Printing on printers connected to LTSP-4.1.1 terminals DOES work. I've > seen it with my own eyes. If it's not working for you, i'm pretty sure > we can get it figured out. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Jim, troubleshooting definitely, and I do hope it is simple :-) The station I'm testing with is a Thinknic with usb printers. this is the lts.conf entry. (the printers where defined as /dev/usb/lp0 and lp1, /dev/usb is now empty. changed devices to tty0 and tty1 to see if the queues will get created correctly. now i can telnet into the ports 9100 and 9101 with the connection staying on. [testnic] XSERVER = vesa # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/vc/0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S # PRINTER_1_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp1 PRINTER_1_DEVICE = /dev/vc/1 PRINTER_1_TYPE = S SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell What are the devices for usb printers? This is what the manual says: "9.2.6. Printer configuration parameters Upto three printers can be connected to a diskless workstation. A combination of serial and parallel printers can be configured via the following entries in the lts.conf file: PRINTER_0_DEVICE The device name of the first printer. Names such as /dev/lp0, /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 are allowed." Fine as far as it goes, but what happened to /dev/usb/lp(x) devices? thank you, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCry0D2LhlZOaj6vURArKOAJ4gNtavtYotTttmM3i4DkYnfXjhEgCfS1Y6 7ql7r9zBgP2lFJr9GK3qEb8= =4z01 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 14 19:47:20 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: Julius, /dev/usb/lp0 should be the correct device name for the usb printers. if you /dev/usb is empty, i'm guessing that you need a kernel module loaded. Get to a bash prompt on the terminal, and run lsmod, and see if you have any usb modules loaded. For the thinknic, I don't remember if you need uhci or ohci. Almost certainly it's not ehci (that's for usb-2.0). The modules should get loaded automatically during bootup, if a printer is configured. What kernel are you running? the latest ltsp kernel should be 2.4.26-ltsp-3. You shouldn't be using the 2.6.9 kernel yet. there's still some module issues with it for usb. (They've changed some of the module names). Jim. On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> > Sudev Barar > >> > >> Sudev, we have a misunderstanding here. This are the printers that > >> worked > >> fine before the upgrade, they don't work now. The queues get created > >> correctly, but no printing occurs. > > > > > > Seems like some simple troubleshooting is in order here. > > > > Can you telnet to port 9100 on the client and start typing? > > Hit Ctrl-L, and it should eject the page. > > > > If the connection is refused, then the lp_server daemon probably isn't > > running. In that case, maybe it's not loading the kernel modules > > required for the printer. > > > > What type of interface does the printer have? (Serial/Parallel/USB) > > > > Can you send us a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > > > > Printing on printers connected to LTSP-4.1.1 terminals DOES work. I've > > seen it with my own eyes. If it's not working for you, i'm pretty sure > > we can get it figured out. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > Jim, > troubleshooting definitely, and I do hope it is simple :-) > > The station I'm testing with is a Thinknic with usb printers. > this is the lts.conf entry. (the printers where defined as /dev/usb/lp0 > and lp1, /dev/usb is now empty. > changed devices to tty0 and tty1 to see if the queues will get created > correctly. now i can telnet into the ports 9100 and 9101 with the > connection staying on. > [testnic] > XSERVER = vesa > # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/vc/0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > # PRINTER_1_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp1 > PRINTER_1_DEVICE = /dev/vc/1 > PRINTER_1_TYPE = S > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = shell > > What are the devices for usb printers? > > This is what the manual says: > "9.2.6. Printer configuration parameters > > Upto three printers can be connected to a diskless workstation. A > combination of serial and parallel printers can be configured via the > following entries in the lts.conf file: > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE > > The device name of the first printer. Names such as /dev/lp0, /dev/ttyS0 > or /dev/ttyS1 are allowed." > > Fine as far as it goes, but what happened to /dev/usb/lp(x) devices? > > thank you, julius > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCry0D2LhlZOaj6vURArKOAJ4gNtavtYotTttmM3i4DkYnfXjhEgCfS1Y6 > 7ql7r9zBgP2lFJr9GK3qEb8= > =4z01 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 19:57:22 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Julius, > > /dev/usb/lp0 should be the correct device name for the usb printers. > > if you /dev/usb is empty, i'm guessing that you need a kernel module > loaded. > > Get to a bash prompt on the terminal, and run lsmod, and see > if you have any usb modules loaded. > > For the thinknic, I don't remember if you need uhci or ohci. Almost > certainly it's not ehci (that's for usb-2.0). > > The modules should get loaded automatically during bootup, if a printer > is configured. > > What kernel are you running? the latest ltsp kernel should be > 2.4.26-ltsp-3. You shouldn't be using the 2.6.9 kernel yet. there's > still some module issues with it for usb. (They've changed some of the > module names). > > Jim. > > Jim, uname -a shows kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3, the usb-ohci, usbcore, usbmouse and usbkbd are loaded. the server is being kept uptodate by apt-get dist-upgrade. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCrzai2LhlZOaj6vURAiDoAJ42hMevm1GV6SVAYvTdH8yq3uKNDwCffq4n dMPQk0/wO6EJlMNyVyzvzaY= =ScTZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 14 20:21:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: Julius, Hmm, You also need a module called 'printer'. It should have been loaded already. What do you have for PRINTER_0_TYPE ? For usb, it should be "U". maybe that's the problem. Try setting that, and if it doesn't work, try: modprobe printer Then, look in /dev/usb and see if you have any printer devices. If you look at the rc.sysinit script, you'll see that 'printer' should get loaded automatically. That's why i'm thinking you didn't set 'U' for the type. Anyway, give that a shot, and report your success. Jim. > > > Jim, > uname -a shows kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3, the usb-ohci, usbcore, usbmouse and > usbkbd are loaded. the server is being kept uptodate by apt-get > dist-upgrade. > julius > From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 14 21:03:51 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <56950.216.216.171.3.1118783031.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Julius, > > Hmm, > > You also need a module called 'printer'. It should have been loaded > already. > > What do you have for PRINTER_0_TYPE ? For usb, it should be "U". maybe > that's the problem. > > Try setting that, and if it doesn't work, try: > > modprobe printer > > Then, look in /dev/usb and see if you have any printer devices. > > If you look at the rc.sysinit script, you'll see that 'printer' should > get loaded automatically. That's why i'm thinking you didn't set 'U' > for the type. > > Anyway, give that a shot, and report your success. > > Jim. > > >> > >> Jim, >> uname -a shows kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3, the usb-ohci, usbcore, usbmouse >> and >> usbkbd are loaded. the server is being kept uptodate by apt-get >> dist-upgrade. >> julius >> Jim, I changed "S" to "U" (it was "S" for USB printers), to no avail. modprobe printer causes lsmod to find module "printer", nothing shows up in /dev/usb julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCr0Y32LhlZOaj6vURApQ+AJ9+Rr88qTeDIxz0HwaPDp0FnDOrUwCcDwpa Hkehec7kFPyqlJq6QZBr+NY= =CMBc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 21:12:27 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:12:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > doesn't work. Also, I can't find gnucash. Does anyone know the > packages that are included with FC but not in Centos? Seems gnucash is > such an app. I found a yum repo for Centos that has gnucash. There was many dependencies to satisfy even after installing everything in Centos 4. http://centos.karan.org/ Got gnucash with just #yum install gnucash Transaction Listing: Install: gnucash.i386 0:1.8.11-0.fc3 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Install: GConf.i386 0:1.0.9-15 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: Guppi.i386 0:0.40.3-21 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: aqbanking.i386 0:1.0.4beta-0.fc3 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: bonobo.i386 0:1.0.22-9 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: g-wrap.i386 0:1.3.4-7 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: gal.i386 1:0.24-4 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: gdk-pixbuf-gnome.i386 1:0.22.0-16.el4.kb - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: gnome-print.i386 1:0.37-10 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: gtkhtml.i386 0:1.1.9-10 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: gwenhywfar.i386 0:1.7.2-0.fc3 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libgal23.i386 1:0.24-4 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libghttp.i386 1:1.0.9-10 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libglade.i386 1:0.17-15 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libgnomeprint15.i386 1:0.37-10 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libofx.i386 0:0.7.0-0.fc3 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: libxml.i386 1:1.8.17-12 - kbs-CentOS-Misc Install: oaf.i386 0:0.6.10-11 - kbs-CentOS-Misc -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 14 22:18:31 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: <56950.216.216.171.3.1118783031.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56950.216.216.171.3.1118783031.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: > > Jim, I changed "S" to "U" (it was "S" for USB printers), to no avail. > modprobe printer causes lsmod to find module "printer", nothing shows up > in /dev/usb > julius Umm, when you did the modprobe, was the printer plugged in and turned on? It should have found your printer and created the device nodes. Jim. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCr0Y32LhlZOaj6vURApQ+AJ9+Rr88qTeDIxz0HwaPDp0FnDOrUwCcDwpa > Hkehec7kFPyqlJq6QZBr+NY= > =CMBc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Wed Jun 15 02:02:13 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56950.216.216.171.3.1118783031.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <3850.192.168.1.1.1118800933.squirrel@192.168.1.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> >> Jim, I changed "S" to "U" (it was "S" for USB printers), to no avail. >> modprobe printer causes lsmod to find module "printer", nothing shows up >> in /dev/usb >> julius > > > Umm, when you did the modprobe, was the printer plugged in and turned > on? It should have found your printer and created the device nodes. > > Jim. No, the printers were not connected, but this has not been an issue before. Hard to guarantee that the printers are on when the terminal boots - - those pesky users ;-) julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCr4wl2LhlZOaj6vURAuG9AJ9aSf1GLsr+ZSei0bEYxHli+1p2TQCdGwa4 qJ+oNqF8O7qSqP8RNa5zums= =wK3q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 15 02:50:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hi Eric, > Is it too late for these patches to be in 4.2.1EL ie Centos 4.1? > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2005-June/000310.html > > Or should we just let yum handle it? Since I'm a couple days behind (caught up in end-of-school-year work), I imagine we'll end up including these packages. I'm going to shoot for a 4th-of-July release for both 4.2.1EL & 4.4.0. I'm working on 4.4.0 (FC4) right now. Hopefully I'll have test ISOs for that tomorrow night. I'll update 4.2.1EL right after that. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 15 02:51:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] MToolsFM Permission denied In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > Help! > I can not access to the floppy. I used MToolsFM 1.9-3 but I get: > "Permission denied, authentication failed!Auth failied: Device > locked!Drive 'A:' not supported Cannot initilized 'A:' > I already uncomment the line in lts.conf > RCFILE_01 = floppyd > but wont access. Did you reboot the terminal after uncommenting the "RCFILE_01 = floppyd" line? If not, reboot it and let us know if that fixes it or not. -Eric From genfil at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 03:06:39 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:06:39 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit Message-ID: Are there any 64 bit K12LTSP installer around? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 15 04:46:38 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:16:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118810798.14934.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 11:06 +0800, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > Are there any 64 bit K12LTSP installer around? Look up mail archives. Eric had answered my mail it somewhat like: Install 64bit fedora and then pick up k12 specific packages from the k12 site and rebuild them. I am sorry I can not dig out exact instruction just now. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Jun 15 04:48:55 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:48:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] version 4.2.0 rc1 Message-ID: <42AFB337.5020702@shaw.ca> what I am using right now is ver 4.2.0 rc1 it has functioned more or less well all year long. I have never been able to get sound going in any fashion on my thin clients (mostly IBM 300PLs with a few Dell Optiplex's) My question is... Is there a significant change from what I have to 4.2.1 EL? Has that version miraculously fixed sound on the thin clients? Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic product, and my hat is off to all involved. My downtime has been almost nil due to software. I was toying with loading another distro on the server, and then terminal server on top. Would anyone recommend that, and if so, is there a good, almost no brainer step by step for loading terminal server the reason I was thinking of another distro was because of the sound.issue. Otherwise, I love the allinone absolutely no thought needed installation process of K12LTSP for a good basic setup. Of course, you need to tweak to your own needs afterward, but thats fine. Anyway, gonna have to choose what path soon. I need to reload in July as I will have little time in August before the new year starts. Advice?? Opinions?? From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 15 05:05:15 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:35:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? In-Reply-To: <061420051844.22944.42AF258A000B5DEC000059A022007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <061420051844.22944.42AF258A000B5DEC000059A022007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1118811915.14934.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 18:44 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Joe, > > You don't mention what package you are using for printing, but ... check the pspfontcache as a possible cause of slow printing if using OOo or StarOffice. The thread at http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=5114&highlight= discusses it (a quick google for pspfontcache) Just delete the file for each user, and create a new file (touch pspfontcache) and set it to read only (chmod 444). This was a problem wit OO 1.02 but AFAIK it was resolved from ver 1.1. IAC Newer OO version now takes care of pspfontcache. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Jun 15 10:59:38 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:59:38 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: <200506141632.j5EGWuJ10188@downeast.net> References: <200506141632.j5EGWuJ10188@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200506151059.38822.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 14 June 2005 14:22, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > martin: So vnc.so was fairly trivial to set up?? Any notes you can take > would be a big help..Thanks for comeback CHuck> On Monday 13 June 2005 I basically just followed the info in the experimental section of wiki.ltsp.org. There are my notes at http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers (scroll down a bit to the section 14/06/05). I'll be updating these as I continue my research. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 10:18:31 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? Message-ID: <20050615101831.68862.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm having trouble getting the display to work on one of my thin clients. I'm getting a "no screens found" message. Googling leads me to believe that I'm using the wrong xserver. How do I know which xserver to use? I can boot knoppix. Can I somehow find out which xserver knoppix has chosen for my machine? Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 10:40:07 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] version 4.2.0 rc1 In-Reply-To: <42AFB337.5020702@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20050615104007.82122.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Liam, At home I have Mandrake 10.1 with LTSP 4.1 on top. I followed the instructions on the LTSP wiki (there's a section for Distro-specific instructions). It went pretty smoothly, but I get a couple error messages on bootup (though they don't seem to hurt performance). One of them is "syslogd could not write to remote handle on 192.168.2.254:501" (or something close to that). For sound I use esd and it works for everything I've tried, which is: xmms, mplayer, gcompris, and childsplay. If you choose to go this route, I can send you all my config files. Installing K12LTSP was definitely easier for me, but I learned a lot when installing LTSP on top of Mandrake. I haven't tried sound with K12LTSP. -Rob --- Liam Marshall wrote: > I was toying with loading another distro on the > server, and then > terminal server on top. Would anyone recommend > that, and if so, is > there a good, almost no brainer step by step for > loading terminal server > > the reason I was thinking of another distro was > because of the > sound.issue. Otherwise, I love the allinone > absolutely no thought > needed installation process of K12LTSP for a good > basic setup. Of > course, you need to tweak to your own needs > afterward, but thats fine. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From mll at mtwp.net Wed Jun 15 11:49:56 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:49:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? In-Reply-To: <53869.199.216.98.51.1118772760.squirrel@199.216.98.51> References: <53869.199.216.98.51.1118772760.squirrel@199.216.98.51> Message-ID: <42B015E4.6020403@mtwp.net> Joe Guenther wrote: > One of my annoyances with K12LTSP is the extremely slow printing. We > print directly to the IP address of a HP 4000 laserjet with Jet direct > card. It uses CUPS v1.1.22rc1 (K12LTSP 4.2) > > The printer waits between each page. The CPU usage (dual 2.4Ghz Xeon) > goes to 100% on both CPUs when printing. When only one job is printing, > one CPU will be on 100% the other lower, but with multiple docs in the > queue (http://127.0.0.1:631) both CPU's peak at 100% ... an the printing > takes a day and an age. Hi Joe, We also saw that same slow performance when printing to HPLJ 4000 series printers. The solution was to switch from the recommended Postscript driver to the "hpijs" driver. More than 90% of our print jobs are text, and the quality is good (and MUCH faster). Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 15 13:26:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050615101831.68862.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050615101831.68862.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, We can't answer which Xserver to use, until you tell us what video chipset you have. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm having trouble getting the display to work on one > of my thin clients. I'm getting a "no screens found" > message. Googling leads me to believe that I'm using > the wrong xserver. > > How do I know which xserver to use? > > I can boot knoppix. Can I somehow find out which > xserver knoppix has chosen for my machine? > > Thanks > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Jun 15 15:40:06 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:40:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help save educational programming In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tomorrow, the House Appropriations Committee will decide whether to approve these severe cuts to NPR and PBS. We can stop the cuts-and save public TV and radio-with a strong show of public outrage. We'll report to the committee members on our petition before they vote. Can you help us reach 400,000 signers by the end of the day? Please send the note below to friends, family and neighbors who count on NPR and PBS. Thank you for all you do, -Noah, Joan, Rosalyn, and the MoveOn.org Team Wednesday, June 15th, 2005 P.S. Here's a note to send your friends: Hi, You know that email petition that keeps circulating about how Congress is slashing funding for NPR and PBS? Well, now it's actually true. (Really. Check at the bottom if you don't believe me.) Sign the petition telling Congress to save NPR and PBS: [ http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=1 ] http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=1 A House panel has voted to eliminate all public funding for NPR and PBS, starting with "Sesame Street," "Reading Rainbow," and other commercial-free children's shows. If approved, this would be the most severe cut in the history of public broadcasting, threatening to pull the plug on Big Bird, Cookie Monster, and Oscar the Grouch. The cuts would slash 25% of the federal funding this year-$100 million-and end funding altogether within two years. The loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and "Postcards from Buster." Rural stations and those serving low-income communities might not survive. Other stations would have to increase corporate sponsorships. The next vote on the cuts will take place tomorrow (Thursday). Help us reach 400,000 signatures to be delivered to the committee members. http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=2 Thanks! P.S. Read the Washington Post report on the threat to NPR and PBS at: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=745 Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates From jh at clongowes.net Wed Jun 15 15:40:56 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:40:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New server - a good buy? Message-ID: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm buying a new server - yipee. I want to run the spec past the list to see if there are any showstoppers I haven't noticed. Please let me know if you notice anything here that I should be concerned about. I intend to run K12LTSP 4.2.1 . http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6023/SYS-6023P-8R.cfm The above address gives the full spec but the highlights are as follows; SuperMicro SuperServer 6023P-8R 2U Rackmount, Motherboard Super X5DP8-G2 Dual Intel Xeon 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB processors, 4GB DDR266/200 registered ECC SDRAM 72-bit Memory 184-pin gold-plated DIMMs, onboard Adaptec AIC-7902 Controller 6 x 1? SCA Ultra320/160 Hotswap drive bays, Dual 2U 400W AC power supply w/ PFC, 1 x CD Drive, 1 x 1.44MB Floppy, PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports, 1 ECP/EEP parallel port, 2 Fast UART 16550 serial ports, 2 USB ports, Dual EIDE channels support up to 4 UDMA IDE devices, 6 x low-profile full-length 64-bit PCI-X expansion slots, ATI Rage XL SVGA PCI video controller with 8 MB of video memory, 2 x Intel 82546EB Gigabit Ethernet 100BASE-TX, and 1000BASE-T, 1 X HDS 147GB SCSI HARD DRIVE 15000 U320 80pin 1 X HDS 73.4GB SCSI HARD DRIVE 15000 U320 80pin I won't be using RAID. I intend to host /home on the 147GB hard disk and everything else on the smaller one. I'll have about 25 linux thin clients and it will also be the main samba fileserver for 80 windows xp pcs (500 users). Looking at moving to OpenLDAP/Samba and removing the existing win2k servers. Lots of homework over the summer. Thanks jh at clongowes.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at computassist.com Wed Jun 15 16:06:28 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:06:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> I will be setting up a new installation of K12LTSP this week. Trying to decide which version to install, and I can't find much info about the pros and cons. Why would I choose EL over FC3 or FC4, or vice versa? Or, since I know Debian best, should I just install the LTSP packages over a Debian install? I know Ubuntu is on the way, but not here yet. This is for a high school lab. Thanks for any pearls of wisdom. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From roryoc at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 15 16:26:44 2005 From: roryoc at nc.rr.com (ROC) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:26:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help save educational programming - WHY? (Off Topic anyway?) In-Reply-To: <20050615160036.AE7BC74792@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050615160036.AE7BC74792@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42B056C4.7090207@nc.rr.com> Subject: [K12OSN] Help save educational programming From: "Sharon Betts" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:40:06 -0400 To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." There are several good reasons to stop public funding of "educational programming". 1. Political philosophy: the less the government is involved in, the better off the citizenry are. 2. Early childhood development: many studies have shown that children appear to be behaviorly and even physiologically affected in a negative way by too much TV watching. As I recall, the brain "patterning" that occurs from extensive TV viewing is such that the viewers have real difficulty concentrating on anything for any length of time at all. "Commercial-free" programming may be the worst offender of all since the lack of breaks that commercials offer intensifies the effect. This is a more serious problem with young children as they are less inclined to enforce their own breaks, and at this stage of their physical development, the "patterning" can have more deep seated, long-lasting effect. They are conditioned to have a constant change of view/scene every 10-15 seconds or so. Some IT and other technical educators at the college level believe that this "twitch factor" (also ascribed to TV-like video gaming), is a reason for the decline in interest in vocations in their fields - it takes too much concentration for students with this kind of neural conditioning. In short, ending "educational programmming" may save computer programming. Perhaps that is more on-topic... FWIW, Rory O'Connor From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Jun 15 16:40:09 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:40:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help save educational programming - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?WHY=3F_=28Off_?= Topic=?ISO-8859-1?Q? anyway=3F=29?= In-Reply-To: <42B056C4.7090207@nc.rr.com> References: <20050615160036.AE7BC74792@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <42B056C4.7090207@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Everyone to their own, and we can have major discussions on the pros and cons of TV, computer blogging etc. -- however, I thought an opensource forum would be interested in public access, public supported media as well as computer programming and hardware. If not, excuse the post. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 15 16:59:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:59:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118854793.32101.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 11:06, Bill Bardon wrote: > I will be setting up a new installation of K12LTSP this week. Trying to > decide which version to install, and I can't find much info about the > pros and cons. Why would I choose EL over FC3 or FC4, or vice versa? > Or, since I know Debian best, should I just install the LTSP packages > over a Debian install? I know Ubuntu is on the way, but not here yet. > This is for a high school lab. Thanks for any pearls of wisdom. Basically you should balance current features, expected stability, and life of update support to match your needs. FC3 and EL are about the same feature-wise but EL (and thus Centos) is supposed to be supported for 5 years, vs. the remaining 6 months for FC3. FC4 should have some new things, currently not very well tested, and about a year of support. K12ltsp is kind of an odd beast. Normally you want to go for long term support on servers because Linux server-side applications are very mature and you don't miss much if you don't upgrade. However, the desktop apps are improving rapidly so you do want to stay up to date there. With thin-client systems the desktop runs on the server so you may have to compromise. RHEL (or Centos) looks good now because it is a recent release. But, a year or two from now you might want to replace it with something else even though it is still supported with bugfix updates because better versions of the apps may become available in other distributions. Also, older versions of Fedora don't break just because the official update support stops - you just have to switch to the 'legacy' support repositories if you want any updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bill at computassist.com Wed Jun 15 17:44:29 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:44:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <1118854793.32101.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> <1118854793.32101.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050615124429.7f33472c@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 15 Les Mikesell wrote: > K12ltsp is kind of an odd beast. Normally you want to go for long > term support on servers because Linux server-side applications are > very mature and you don't miss much if you don't upgrade. However, > the desktop apps are improving rapidly so you do want to stay up > to date there. With thin-client systems the desktop runs on the > server so you may have to compromise. Thanks, Les, that clears it up for me quite well. I usually prefer somewhat bleeding-edge on desktops, so I will go with FC3 for now, and upgrade to FC4 or over to Ubuntu when the time comes. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 15 18:03:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:03:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <20050615124429.7f33472c@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> <1118854793.32101.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20050615124429.7f33472c@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118858639.32101.58.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 12:44, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Jun 15 Les Mikesell wrote: > > K12ltsp is kind of an odd beast. Normally you want to go for long > > term support on servers because Linux server-side applications are > > very mature and you don't miss much if you don't upgrade. However, > > the desktop apps are improving rapidly so you do want to stay up > > to date there. With thin-client systems the desktop runs on the > > server so you may have to compromise. > > Thanks, Les, that clears it up for me quite well. I usually prefer > somewhat bleeding-edge on desktops, so I will go with FC3 for now, and > upgrade to FC4 or over to Ubuntu when the time comes. One thing I missed saying - but you might already know, is that RedHat and Fedora have a general policy of not doing version-number upgrades of applications within an OS distribution version. Security and bugfix patches are backed in if necessary to support the older apps. I've never been able to figure out the Debian version/release policy and Ubuntu is too new to have a track record, so I don't know how they relate. I'm kind of hoping that Ubuntu will stay on the stable side with kernel/driver/server components and stay up to date with desktop apps but you can't make everybody happy. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 15 18:19:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:19:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <1118858639.32101.58.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> < > <1118854793.32101.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <20050615124429.7f33472c@localhost.localdomain> <1118858639.32101.58.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: My $.02 Schools are often on a yearly calendar with the summer available for replenishing and upgrades....thus many of us...use the bleeding edge and upgrade to the newer version the following summer. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jun 15 18:22:02 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:22:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 16, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <20050615160036.29FEE7478E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050615160036.29FEE7478E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42B071CA.4020906@honeygroveisd.net> > > >One of my annoyances with K12LTSP is the extremely slow printing. We >print directly to the IP address of a HP 4000 laserjet with Jet direct >card. It uses CUPS v1.1.22rc1 (K12LTSP 4.2) > >The printer waits between each page. The CPU usage (dual 2.4Ghz Xeon) >goes to 100% on both CPUs when printing. When only one job is printing, >one CPU will be on 100% the other lower, but with multiple docs in the >queue (http://127.0.0.1:631) both CPU's peak at 100% ... an the printing >takes a day and an age. > >This is especially frustrating as we are writing diploma exams, a lab of >22 people writing simultaneously. The students can print a copy and then >edit it one more time before printing the final copy. When it takes 10 >mins to get your copy out of the printer queue, the editing time is gone >before you can use it. :-( > >There has got to be a better way to do this printing!! > > >Joe Guenther >= = = = = = = = = = = = = >Lantech - Didsbury >Chinook's Edge School Div. > Dumping the HP-specific driver and going with just "PostScript Printer" solved this problem for me. C-ya, Mark ____ What boots up must come down. From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 19:00:50 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:00:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I subscribe to the fedora legacy list and let me tell you they are struggling to keep up. It sometimes takes a long time after RHEL releases their patches. Also they don't have a rigorous testing requirement. I think they are doing a wonderful job but at the rate that fedora releases it's a difficult undertaking. The other aspect which is not as visible is that Centos/RHEL has slightly different kernels. For example RHEL has a separate smp and hugemem kernel for i386 and FC only has a smp which also handles stuff over 4 gigs. Also, if you have certain scsi controllers I have read many posts where they are just not detected at install with FC. Centos/RHEL solved this problem for many on this list. Eric's plan is to release a very stable k12ltsp every few years. The last one was 3.1.2 (RH9) now the next one is 4.2.1EL (RHEL4). I am installing it this summer at my school. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From bill at computassist.com Wed Jun 15 19:11:19 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP version choices In-Reply-To: References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050615110628.6516db43@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050615141119.51218c4a@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 15 Robert Arkiletian wrote: > The other aspect which is not as visible is that Centos/RHEL has > slightly different kernels. For example RHEL has a separate smp and > hugemem kernel for i386 and FC only has a smp which also handles stuff > over 4 gigs. Also, if you have certain scsi controllers I have read > many posts where they are just not detected at install with FC. > Centos/RHEL solved this problem for many on this list. That brings up a different aspect of choosing a distro. Maybe I'll just have to wait for the server to arrive, hopefully later today, and see how far I get with either one! Thanks for reminding me of the hardware support factor. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 15 23:24:03 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:24:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42A853D0.7090301@shahms.com> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> <42A853D0.7090301@shahms.com> Message-ID: <42B0B893.5010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shahms King wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > | On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Shahms King wrote: > | > |> I don't know about KDE, but changing the default GNOME background should > |> be pretty easy and can be done using gconftool-2 by applying a new > |> schema. It should also be possible to write the value directly to the > |> "default source" if having multiple schemas applying to a single key > |> doesn't work well. > | > | > | Hmmm, that might do the trick. A nice little script that set the > | default background. It could even have an icon on the desktop like > | the "Push new icons" script and the admin user could just drag-and- > | drop a new default background. > | > | I'll play around with gconftool-2 to see if I can get it to do this. > | > ~ However, it is possible to change the default both locally (GConf ships > configured to include local sources, if they're found) and > "scriptically". Poking around on the Red Hat site, the following should > work: > > # gconftool-2 --direct --config-source \ > ~ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults \ > ~ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type string --set \ > ~ /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" > That was pretty close. This worked: gconftool2 --direct --config-source \ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults \ --type string --set desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" The only minor issue is that the specified file ($1) needs a full path, a relative path does not work. Easy enough to deal with. I'll try to get test packages out tonight or tomorrow... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 05:01:47 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:01:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New server - a good buy? In-Reply-To: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118850056.6182.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I've got pretty much the same server. My drives are a little smaller. You may end up having trouble installing FC on that machine. Try it. If the scsi drives are not detected try 4.2.1EL. BTW what kind of PS is that? Does Dual 400W mean it's redundant? Cause if it's only 400W total that may not be enough juice. If it's 800W total then that's fine. I've got a 465W and I consider that minimum. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 10:02:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050616100242.5654.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like the chip says: ATMEL AT27C512R 12JC 9743 In case it matters, it also had a sticker on top of all of this information that says: 34_85 I'd really appreciate it if somebody could help me out here. I'm not very informed on this x-server stuff. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > We can't answer which Xserver to use, until you tell > us what video > chipset you have. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I'm having trouble getting the display to work on > one > > of my thin clients. I'm getting a "no screens > found" > > message. Googling leads me to believe that I'm > using > > the wrong xserver. > > > > How do I know which xserver to use? > > > > I can boot knoppix. Can I somehow find out which > > xserver knoppix has chosen for my machine? > > > > Thanks > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Jun 16 10:32:06 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:02:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050616100242.5654.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050616100242.5654.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118917926.13622.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 03:02 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > Looks like the chip says: > > ATMEL > AT27C512R > 12JC > 9743 Most of the time XSERVER = vesa would work. Try with low screen size like 640x480 and then 800x600 or higher. The other reason could be that your vid card is not having enough memory. General guidelines from list archives is 500Kb - 640x480, 1mb - 800x600 and 2mb - 1024x768. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From olle at paalalinn.com Thu Jun 16 13:37:02 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:37:02 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050616100242.5654.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050616100242.5654.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B1807E.2040103@paalalinn.com> Rob Owens wrote: >Looks like the chip says: > >ATMEL >AT27C512R >12JC >9743 > >In case it matters, it also had a sticker on top of >all of this information that says: >34_85 > >I'd really appreciate it if somebody could help me out >here. I'm not very informed on this x-server stuff. > >-Rob > > > Google says that this is not video processor, it's 512KB size EPROM - memory for storing data when computer is turned off. Try find some other chip. Olle From shahms at shahms.com Thu Jun 16 14:22:49 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:22:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "marketing" the K12LTSP desktop In-Reply-To: <42B0B893.5010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050608101015.84487.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1118242721.8742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42A7099B.2060308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42A70EA1.8010804@shahms.com> <42A853D0.7090301@shahms.com> <42B0B893.5010104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42B18B39.9070607@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Harrison wrote: | | That was pretty close. This worked: | | gconftool2 --direct --config-source \ | xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults \ | --type string --set desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" | | | The only minor issue is that the specified file ($1) needs a full path, | a relative path does not work. Easy enough to deal with. | | I'll try to get test packages out tonight or tomorrow... | | -Eric Just an FYI for those of you who may want to do more than set the default. You can force all users to have a specific background (or any gconf setting) by changing the above to: gconftool2 --direct --config-source \ ~ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory \ ~ --type string --set desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$1" That will make the setting "mandatory" rather than merely default, meaning that users cannot change it. The latest and greatest GNOME has a lot of other things that can be locked down specifically like panel configuration, etc. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCsYs5/qs2NkWy11sRAkZUAJ4jMhKsNytN3OfADStL4JoGnFUCgwCgpMDI NY5OXquxfZ+Q2xlyBV6JsJI= =Lvsq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eworthy at shaw.ca Thu Jun 16 16:11:23 2005 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:11:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] version 4.2.0 rc1 In-Reply-To: <20050615104007.82122.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050615104007.82122.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B1A4AB.8050801@shaw.ca> Rob Owens wrote: >Liam, > >... but I get a couple error messages on >bootup (though they don't seem to hurt performance). >One of them is "syslogd could not write to remote >handle on 192.168.2.254:501" (or something close to >that). > > The port was likely 192.168.2.254:514. This is the default port for remote logging by syslogd. However it is not often included in the /etc/services list. of all distributions. In fedora core 3 it is left out. check that you have the line "syslogd 514/udp" in your /etc/services file. If its not there, add it and this error message should go away. If it is there, oops, I was wrong again. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jun 16 15:17:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:17:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] testing...do not bother to read Message-ID: just testing my new address David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 16:26:10 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <42B1807E.2040103@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <20050616162610.36545.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another chip says: VG46VS8325AQ 744S -10 There are eight of these, and I'm guessing they are memory chips. The only other chip (probably the one we are concerned with) has a heatsink bonded to the top of it that doesn't seem to want to come off. Does this mean I should just try every xserver in the list? -Rob --- Olle Niit wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > >Looks like the chip says: > > > >ATMEL > >AT27C512R > >12JC > >9743 > > > >In case it matters, it also had a sticker on top of > >all of this information that says: > >34_85 > > > >I'd really appreciate it if somebody could help me > out > >here. I'm not very informed on this x-server > stuff. > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > Google says that this is not video processor, it's > 512KB size EPROM - > memory for storing data when computer is turned off. > Try find some other chip. > > Olle > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 16 17:39:59 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:39:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050616162610.36545.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050616162610.36545.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B1B96F.8010003@inlandlakes.org> Rob Owens wrote: > Does this mean I should just try every xserver in the > list? You could do that. What kind of computer is it? Brand? What kind of motherboard? You could set the terminal to boot only to text, then run lspci -- it should give you a hint as to the video card type. (I assume lspci is on the terminals, if not, someone correct me) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 16 18:44:29 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:44:29 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: <200506162054.j5GKsnn19554@downeast.net> i like your version uch better than the original! chuck > On Tuesday 14 June 2005 14:22, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > martin: So vnc.so was fairly trivial to set up?? Any notes you can take > > would be a big help..Thanks for comeback CHuck> On Monday 13 June 2005 > > I basically just followed the info in the experimental section of > wiki.ltsp.org. There are my notes at > http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers (scroll down a bit to the section > 14/06/05). 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If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Thu Jun 16 19:08:50 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:08:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp.conf on a single ethernet card Message-ID: I'm sending this demo dhcpd.conf file along as a help to someone attempting to setup K12LTSP on their main network using only one ethernet card. I also noted in helping a couple of other people with their installations of K12LTSP with one ethernet card that eth0 is firewalled by default and the tftpserver cannot send a kernel to the client without the firewall being disabled or reconfigure to allow that traffic to occur. You'll have to change the IP numbers and subnets to match your setup. # Sample /etc/dhcpd.conf # Tom's sample dhcpd.conf ddns-update-style none; default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.254.0; option broadcast-address 168.169.0.255; option routers 168.169.78.1; option domain-name-servers 168.169.78.8, 168.169.78.9, 168.169.78.39; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; subnet 168.169.78.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 { range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.110 168.169.78.131; range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.133 168.169.78.139; range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.142 168.169.78.153; range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.155 168.169.78.253; } use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 168.169.78.39; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; } #default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 16 21:50:04 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:50:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp.conf on a single ethernet card Message-ID: <200506170000.j5H00Nn21277@downeast.net> what is your option 221 for?? chuck > I'm sending this demo dhcpd.conf file along as a help to someone > attempting to setup K12LTSP on their main network using only one ethernet > card. I also noted in helping a couple of other people with their > installations of K12LTSP with one ethernet card that eth0 is firewalled by > default and the tftpserver cannot send a kernel to the client without the > firewall being disabled or reconfigure to allow that traffic to occur. > You'll have to change the IP numbers and subnets to match your setup. > > # Sample /etc/dhcpd.conf > # Tom's sample dhcpd.conf > ddns-update-style none; > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > option subnet-mask 255.255.254.0; > option broadcast-address 168.169.0.255; > option routers 168.169.78.1; > option domain-name-servers 168.169.78.8, 168.169.78.9, 168.169.78.39; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > > option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-221 code 221 = text; > > > subnet 168.169.78.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.110 168.169.78.131; > range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.133 168.169.78.139; > range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.142 168.169.78.153; > range dynamic-bootp 168.169.78.155 168.169.78.253; > } > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 168.169.78.39; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > # newer Macs > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # Intel PXE > elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = > "PXEClient" > { > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; > } > #default to an i386 BOOTP image > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { > option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } else { > option root-path "168.169.78.39:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > } > Don > > "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and > leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson > > Don Watkins, Technology Director > Franklinville Central School > Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 > This message may contain confidential information. > It is intended for the use of the addressee only. > Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 01:22:21 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:22:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector still not working Message-ID: Has this issue been resolved? https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00663.html https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00657.html I just tried it with 4.2.1EL and got the exact same problem. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Jun 17 03:00:15 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:30:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] version 4.2.0 rc1 In-Reply-To: <42B1A4AB.8050801@shaw.ca> References: <20050615104007.82122.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B1A4AB.8050801@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1118977215.26870.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 09:11 -0700, Eric Worthy at home wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > >Liam, > > > >... but I get a couple error messages on > >bootup (though they don't seem to hurt performance). > >One of them is "syslogd could not write to remote > >handle on 192.168.2.254:501" (or something close to > >that). > > > > > The port was likely 192.168.2.254:514. This is the default port for > remote logging by syslogd. However it is not often included in the > /etc/services list. of all distributions. In fedora core 3 it is left out. > > check that you have the line "syslogd 514/udp" in your /etc/services > file. If its not there, add it and this error message should go away. syslog or syslogd?? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri Jun 17 03:13:09 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:13:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solaris 10 Open Source Anyone? Message-ID: <42B23FC5.4000806@shaw.ca> anyone have an opinion on, or have tried ltsp with the newly opened Solaris 10? I would be interested in opinion or advice on whether to try it or not From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 17 04:58:45 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the default desktop background: a test package Message-ID: I think I have a reasonable way to alter the default GNOME desktop background image. If you would like to help test this out, you can grab it at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/k12ltsp-backgrounds-0-0.noarch.rpm There are two ways to use it: 1) From the command line, execute "/usr/sbin/default_desktop ", such as: /usr/sbin/default_desktop /usr/share/backgrounds/images/k12ltsp/mexican_sunset.jpg 2) From root's desktop, find the image you want and drag-n-drop it on the "Set the default background image" icon on the desktop. Using the command-line tool, we can define the default desktop during the install processes. Here is how it works (or is supposed to work, anyways ;-) * checks to make sure that the image file exists, if not it displays a usage message and exits * verifies that the image file is indeed most likely an image file of some sort (runs "file | cut -d':' -f2- | grep -i image"), if not exits with an error that the file is not an image. * copies the image file to /etc/sysconfig/background/default.img, making a backup if a file by that name already exists * changes ownership of default.img to root:root and sets the mode to 0644 * runs the "gconftool-2 --direct --config-source..." magic to make /etc/sysconfig/background/default.img the default background * tells the user that the default background has been changed, but it won't take affect until the next time they log in As you may note from the last step, the change is not real-time. You have to log out and log back in to see the new background. Also note that this only sets the default background. If a user has changed their background, this command will not change their background - they will still see their custom background. Finally, if everyone is happy with this setup, we'll have to figure out what the new default background should be. I would suggest that I setup a gallery on Paul's www.oregonphotoblog.org and use that to vote for a favorite. If you have photos YOU OWN that you would like to consider donating the the cause, contact me off-list. If you know of some nice photos you DON'T OWN, but are distributed under a GPL or CC license (or something similar that we could use), send me a LINK... For demo purposes, I grabbed a couple of my own photos off of http://www.oregonphotoblog.org and included them in /usr/share/backgrounds/images/k12ltsp/ -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 17 05:00:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release In-Reply-To: References: <1118117808.5000.92.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hi Eric, > Is it too late for these patches to be in 4.2.1EL ie Centos 4.1? > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2005-June/000310.html > > Or should we just let yum handle it? > I checked on these today and there were already included in my yum repository. They will be included in the final release (I'm shooting for a 4th-of-July release date). -Eric From genfil at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 06:26:41 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:26:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: Are web cam supported by k12ltsp? Can use it like Yahoo webcam? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 09:06:52 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:06:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the default desktop background: a test package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96df2e0b05061702064e810d24@mail.gmail.com> On 17/06/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I think I have a reasonable way to alter the default GNOME desktop > background image. > > If you would like to help test this out, you can grab it at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/k12ltsp-backgrounds-0-0.noarch.rpm > > There are two ways to use it: > > 1) From the command line, execute "/usr/sbin/default_desktop ", > such as: > > /usr/sbin/default_desktop /usr/share/backgrounds/images/k12ltsp/mexican_sunset.jpg > > 2) From root's desktop, find the image you want and drag-n-drop it on the > "Set the default background image" icon on the desktop. > > Using the command-line tool, we can define the default desktop during the > install processes. > > Here is how it works (or is supposed to work, anyways ;-) > > * checks to make sure that the image file exists, if not it displays a > usage message and exits > > * verifies that the image file is indeed most likely an image file of > some sort (runs "file | cut -d':' -f2- | grep -i image"), > if not exits with an error that the file is not an image. > > * copies the image file to /etc/sysconfig/background/default.img, making > a backup if a file by that name already exists > > * changes ownership of default.img to root:root and sets the mode to 0644 > > * runs the "gconftool-2 --direct --config-source..." magic to make > /etc/sysconfig/background/default.img the default background > > * tells the user that the default background has been changed, but it > won't take affect until the next time they log in > > As you may note from the last step, the change is not real-time. You > have to log out and log back in to see the new background. > > Also note that this only sets the default background. If a user has > changed their background, this command will not change their background - > they will still see their custom background. > > Finally, if everyone is happy with this setup, we'll have to figure > out what the new default background should be. I would suggest that I > setup a gallery on Paul's www.oregonphotoblog.org and use that to vote > for a favorite. > > If you have photos YOU OWN that you would like to consider donating > the the cause, contact me off-list. If you know of some nice photos > you DON'T OWN, but are distributed under a GPL or CC license (or > something similar that we could use), send me a LINK... > > For demo purposes, I grabbed a couple of my own photos off > of http://www.oregonphotoblog.org and included them in > /usr/share/backgrounds/images/k12ltsp/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > For a small change, how about making the script offer a --mandatory and (default) --nomandatory which would then allow you to force the change on to all users, or not (as the case may be)? Another possible change is offering a --colour flag meaning you can do default_desktop --colour blue giving a solid blue colour. This would cut down the bandwidth across the network somewhat. If you want, I'll tweak the script (if you can provide the sources) and I'll feed it back. Regards, -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 10:04:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <42B1B96F.8010003@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050617100451.6244.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's a Gateway PII 233 MHz. The video card is AGP, not PCI. I don't know the specs on the motherboard (the computer is not in the same building as me right now). Last night I installed Mandrake 10.1 on that machine to see what x-server it chose as the default. It was GLoria Synergy (and it was later referred to as Elsa GLoria Synergy). It identified the monitor as 1024x768 @ 70Hz, and set the resolution to 800x600 24bpp. With these settings it booted and ran KDE fine. The question now is, how to I get these settings when the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery doesn't seem to be listed as an option for x-servers. Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the ltsp tree? -Rob --- Shawn Powers wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > Does this mean I should just try every xserver in > the > > list? > > You could do that. What kind of computer is it? > Brand? What kind of > motherboard? > > You could set the terminal to boot only to text, > then run lspci -- it > should give you a hint as to the video card type. > (I assume lspci is on > the terminals, if not, someone correct me) > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > -- reasons>-- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Jun 17 10:24:16 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:54:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050617100451.6244.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050617100451.6244.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1119003856.23601.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 03:04 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > It's a Gateway PII 233 MHz. The video card is AGP, > not PCI. I don't know the specs on the motherboard > (the computer is not in the same building as me right > now). This configuration (AGP) should boot with XSERVER =auto > Last night I installed Mandrake 10.1 on that machine > to see what x-server it chose as the default. It was > GLoria Synergy (and it was later referred to as Elsa > GLoria Synergy). It identified the monitor as > 1024x768 @ 70Hz, and set the resolution to 800x600 > 24bpp. With these settings it booted and ran KDE > fine. This also does not seem to be a problem. > The question now is, how to I get these settings when > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for x-servers. > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the ltsp > tree? First check waht is the AGP memory allocation in BIOS? Is it by any chance less than 2MB? Second you can copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config (depending on what version of k12 you are running) to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 directory (you may have to make the X11 folder) Note the details of display and card sections when you run Mandrake and then edit the file you copied accordingly. In lts.conf just mention XF86CONFIG_FILE = "the file you have edited" This should work. Although from all the hardware specs you have mentioned auto or at worst vesa driver should have worked and that too at 1024x768 resolution. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 10:44:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <1119003856.23601.10.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20050617104404.16334.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Sudev, I will try those ideas this weekend. I tried XSERVER=auto and I got errors. I think it was "no screens found", but it might have also been "autoprobe of video card failed, switching to SLOW vesa server" (which also didn't work). I've gotten a few different errors with all the options I've tried, and I'm loosing track of them all... For what it's worth, I had trouble loading module agpgart.o. I found that I needed to specify the full path to that module in order to get it to work. This was the case in both a K12LTSP install and an ltsp4.1 on Mandrake install (both on the same machine). I'll post back my results. -Rob --- Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 03:04 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > It's a Gateway PII 233 MHz. The video card is > AGP, > > not PCI. I don't know the specs on the > motherboard > > (the computer is not in the same building as me > right > > now). > > This configuration (AGP) should boot with XSERVER > =auto > > > Last night I installed Mandrake 10.1 on that > machine > > to see what x-server it chose as the default. It > was > > GLoria Synergy (and it was later referred to as > Elsa > > GLoria Synergy). It identified the monitor as > > 1024x768 @ 70Hz, and set the resolution to 800x600 > > 24bpp. With these settings it booted and ran KDE > > fine. > > This also does not seem to be a problem. > > > The question now is, how to I get these settings > when > > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery > > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for > x-servers. > > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the > ltsp > > tree? > > First check waht is the AGP memory allocation in > BIOS? Is it by any > chance less than 2MB? > > Second you can copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf or > /etc/X11/XF86Config (depending > on what version of k12 you are running) to > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 > directory (you may have to make the X11 folder) Note > the details of > display and card sections when you run Mandrake and > then edit the file > you copied accordingly. > > In lts.conf just mention XF86CONFIG_FILE = "the file > you have edited" > > This should work. Although from all the hardware > specs you have > mentioned auto or at worst vesa driver should have > worked and that too > at 1024x768 resolution. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Jun 17 12:17:16 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:17:16 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] Solaris 10 Open Source Anyone? In-Reply-To: <42B23FC5.4000806@shaw.ca> References: <42B23FC5.4000806@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <10085.200.222.204.234.1119010636.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Well I'm not happy with a OS version of Solaris, first because their intention is to build a future NTFS file system with "uncle bill" and second because we already have a OS free unix system alternative and we don't need to move everything over to a company based OS, I think it's better of to just keep OS clean and out of corporate intentions. What is good about Solaris is the hardware and maybe the Java X System if you like java. I prefer gnome. Peace, Ramon > anyone have an opinion on, or have tried ltsp with the newly opened > Solaris 10? > > I would be interested in opinion or advice on whether to try it or not > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 17 12:46:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:46:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solaris 10 Open Source Anyone? In-Reply-To: <10085.200.222.204.234.1119010636.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> References: <42B23FC5.4000806@shaw.ca> <10085.200.222.204.234.1119010636.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1119012411.11860.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 07:17, Ramon wrote: > I think it's better of to just keep OS clean and out of > corporate intentions. There are 2 sides to that argument. On the other side, it would be nice to have someone actually responsible for making the device drivers work - or at least code inherited from a time that was true. For example it has been very frustrating recently trying to use a firewire disk drive with the Linux 2.6 kernel. If you look at the stock RHEL4.x kernel you'll see quite a lot omitted because it doesn't work well enough to support. You can get a kernel from the centosplus repository that includes the features but you still take your chances if you use them. Having another choice for free will be a good thing even if you don't need to use it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jun 17 12:53:14 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050617104404.16334.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050617104404.16334.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, AGP is just an extension of the PCI bus. From the Xservers point of view, they are the same thing. As for agpgart, i'm not sure why you needed that. Only a few video cards actually need that, and it should get loaded automatically for those that do. As for troubleshooting your problem, actual error messages would help an awful lot for us to begin to help you. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks Sudev, I will try those ideas this weekend. > > I tried XSERVER=auto and I got errors. I think it was > "no screens found", but it might have also been > "autoprobe of video card failed, switching to SLOW > vesa server" (which also didn't work). I've gotten a > few different errors with all the options I've tried, > and I'm loosing track of them all... > > For what it's worth, I had trouble loading module > agpgart.o. I found that I needed to specify the full > path to that module in order to get it to work. This > was the case in both a K12LTSP install and an ltsp4.1 > on Mandrake install (both on the same machine). > > I'll post back my results. > > -Rob > > --- Sudev Barar wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 03:04 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > > It's a Gateway PII 233 MHz. The video card is > > AGP, > > > not PCI. I don't know the specs on the > > motherboard > > > (the computer is not in the same building as me > > right > > > now). > > > > This configuration (AGP) should boot with XSERVER > > =auto > > > > > Last night I installed Mandrake 10.1 on that > > machine > > > to see what x-server it chose as the default. It > > was > > > GLoria Synergy (and it was later referred to as > > Elsa > > > GLoria Synergy). It identified the monitor as > > > 1024x768 @ 70Hz, and set the resolution to 800x600 > > > 24bpp. With these settings it booted and ran KDE > > > fine. > > > > This also does not seem to be a problem. > > > > > The question now is, how to I get these settings > > when > > > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery > > > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for > > x-servers. > > > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the > > ltsp > > > tree? > > > > First check waht is the AGP memory allocation in > > BIOS? Is it by any > > chance less than 2MB? > > > > Second you can copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf or > > /etc/X11/XF86Config (depending > > on what version of k12 you are running) to > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 > > directory (you may have to make the X11 folder) Note > > the details of > > display and card sections when you run Mandrake and > > then edit the file > > you copied accordingly. > > > > In lts.conf just mention XF86CONFIG_FILE = "the file > > you have edited" > > > > This should work. Although from all the hardware > > specs you have > > mentioned auto or at worst vesa driver should have > > worked and that too > > at 1024x768 resolution. > > -- > > Sudev Barar > > Learning Linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 15:25:14 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:25:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] freeduc knoppix question Message-ID: <9bd31756050617082574768d7c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Has anyone remastered Freeduc for english? I managed to edit the isolinux.cfg file with a program called Winiso. So now the default keyboard and language is US english. However Gcompris is looking for assetml-voices-alphabet-en. I think this means I'll need to do a true re-mastering of Knoppix. If I put a burner in the k12 (FC) server could I do this? Or does it rely on Debian? Thanks, Peter From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 15:36:47 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free Message-ID: <20050617153648.5871.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm setting up a content filter and was wondering what everybody's opinions were on the free blacklists available on the web vs the ones you can buy from various companies. I don't have experience using either. This particular setup is for a company that has money to spend, but if the free lists are just as good as the paid ones, then I'll have the company spend their money elsewhere. Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 17 16:45:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:45:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the default desktop background: a test package In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05061702064e810d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b05061702064e810d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B2FE11.1050904@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jon Spriggs wrote: > > For a small change, how about making the script offer a --mandatory > and (default) --nomandatory which would then allow you to force the > change on to all users, or not (as the case may be)? Another possible > change is offering a --colour flag meaning you can do default_desktop > --colour blue giving a solid blue colour. This would cut down the > bandwidth across the network somewhat. If you want, I'll tweak the > script (if you can provide the sources) and I'll feed it back. > > Regards, Sure! The source is at ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/SRPMS/k12ltsp-backgrounds-0-0.src.rpm I'd suggest that "--nomandtory" be skipped, only include a "-mandatory" flag. We also might need a "--remove" or "--delete" flag to get rid of a "mandatory" background. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 17 16:47:28 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:47:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free In-Reply-To: <20050617153648.5871.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200506171647.j5HGlS7o002042@mx3.redhat.com> This is a good question and it happens to tie in with the comparison I am performing. Our district purchased Websense Enterprise, and I have Squid running SquidGuard locally in my school. I don't have full control of Websense so it might not be a far comparison. Our procedure for adding website to our blacklist is to call the district office ITD and have them add it to the Websense blacklist. My squid server updates its black list every night. The past few weeks I have been testing for filtering. In my testing I found that Websense blocked more sites than my squidguard filter. It was able to block sites in the google sponsored links section. In order to block those sites using my squidguard server, I had to add them to my blacklist. This could perhaps mean that the district hired someone or is paying Websense to create a custom filter rule for the district. Since all 2000 plus high schools use the same filters. Don't confuse the fact that squidguard does not do proper filtering, in deed it does. There were a few sites that squidguard did block that websense did not and squidguard does a pretty good job of blocking adware and spyware, were websense does nothing to protect us from that. To answer your question, it will depend on how much administration you are will to do or in your case charge for. You will always have to add your own site to the blacklist regardless of solution you choose, paid blacklist or free blacklist. --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:37 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free I'm setting up a content filter and was wondering what everybody's opinions were on the free blacklists available on the web vs the ones you can buy from various companies. I don't have experience using either. This particular setup is for a company that has money to spend, but if the free lists are just as good as the paid ones, then I'll have the company spend their money elsewhere. Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 19:40:18 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:40:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL Message-ID: I am just pasting the message I sent the developers of vncreflector: ====================================================== Success!!! I got it to work. First I will tell you how I setup and use vncreflector. First with RH9 then with RHEL4 OS RH9 1) start vncserver. The process is listed as Xvnc -inetd -query localhost -once -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 then run # vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd and stick in the student password change the permissions on this file to 755 so everyone can read it 2) start vncreflector. ./vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -l 5999 HOST_INFO_FILE where PASSWD_FILE has 2 passwords first one is teacher's password and second is student's and HOST_INFO_FILE just has localhost:1 now as teacher run vncviewer localhost:99 input teacher pasword so you connect to vncreflector with keyboard and mouse as student from thin client run vncviewer address_of_teacher_machine:99 type in student password and voila VNC server supports protocol version 3.3 (viewer 3.3) Password: VNC authentication succeeded Desktop name "x11" Connected to VNC server, using protocol version 3.3 VNC server default format: 32 bits per pixel. Least significant byte first in each pixel. True colour: max red 255 green 255 blue 255, shift red 16 green 8 blue 0 Using default colormap which is TrueColor. Pixel format: 32 bits per pixel. Least significant byte first in each pixel. True colour: max red 255 green 255 blue 255, shift red 16 green 8 blue 0 Same machine: preferring raw encoding and you see the teacher demo. But this is all under RH9 The above did *NOT* work when I tried the exact same thing with RHEL4. The reason I discovered is that RH9 and RHEL4 use different versions of vncviewer. RH9 uses tightvnc and RHEL4 uses realvnc for the viewer. I just downloaded the tightvnc viewer only rpm and renamed /usr/bin/vncviewer to Xvncviewer and installed the rpm with --replacefiles option in rpm for the man page conflict. Then it worked just like before. No problems. Thank you soooooo much for making vncreflector it's super fantastic! Just 2 question. 1) Why does real vncviewer not work and gives the message $vncviewer localhost:99 VNC viewer for X version 4.0 - built Feb 21 2005 15:39:30 Copyright (C) 2002-2004 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. Fri Jun 17 10:13:06 2005 CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 Fri Jun 17 10:13:10 2005 main: End of stream Something to note (but it made no difference) was Xvnc is started on RHEL4 with /usr/bin/Xvnc -inetd -once -query localhost -fp unix/:7100 -SecurityTypes None -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 which is different from RH9 wrt -SecurityTypes and -fp (but this did not prevent things from working once the viewer was changed) 2) Also, I noticed Same machine: preferring raw encoding I suspect vnc is simply using raw encoding because it thinks the display is on the same machine. But since this display is remote it does go over the network. So I figure it could make use of a better encoding method. How can I speed things up because there is a definite lag on all student displays even using a fast switch. Thank you for reading this long post. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 22:58:17 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:58:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/17/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > 2) Also, I noticed > > Same machine: preferring raw encoding > > I suspect vnc is simply using raw encoding because it thinks the > display is on the same machine. But since this display is remote it > does go over the > network. So I figure it could make use of a better encoding method. > How can I speed things up because there is a definite lag on all > student displays > even using a fast switch. I should have read the vncviewer man page first. I am going to force Hextile encoding. Hopefully that will speed things up. So from the client $vncviewer -encodings Hextile `hostname`:99 I will build this into the new TeacherTool I'm developing with FLTK along with some other goodies. I'm hoping to have it done by Sept. BTW I'm using tightvnc viewer 1.2.9 RH7 rpm Looking forward to using 4.2.1EL -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 00:40:36 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050618004036.17049.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Below is the series of errors I am getting. I get this error pretty much regardless of all the changes I've tried in lts.conf. The only thing that gave me a different error was when I attempted to specify XF86CONFIG_FILE = "myfilename" per Sudev's recommendation. Unfortunately, it was a screen-full of errors that disappeared too quickly to read. I had previously tried loading agpgart.o because knoppix loaded it when I booted that live cd. I could not find in the BIOS any mention of the AGP memory allocation. I tried another AGP card I had laying around (2X, 32MB) and it worked (everything detected automatically). Unfortunately this card is damaged and produces a shadowy display, otherwise I'd just use it. Thanks for helping out, everyone. Here are the error messages: Warning Auto-probe of the video card failed You should specify the proper x server in lts.conf proceeding with the SLOW vesa server .... VESA(0) no matching nodes screens found, but none have a usable configuration .... fatal server error: no screens found .... x server failed press enter to continue --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > AGP is just an extension of the PCI bus. From the > Xservers point of > view, they are the same thing. > > As for agpgart, i'm not sure why you needed that. > Only a few video cards > actually need that, and it should get loaded > automatically for those > that do. > > As for troubleshooting your problem, actual error > messages would help an > awful lot for us to begin to help you. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Thanks Sudev, I will try those ideas this weekend. > > > > I tried XSERVER=auto and I got errors. I think it > was > > "no screens found", but it might have also been > > "autoprobe of video card failed, switching to SLOW > > vesa server" (which also didn't work). I've > gotten a > > few different errors with all the options I've > tried, > > and I'm loosing track of them all... > > > > For what it's worth, I had trouble loading module > > agpgart.o. I found that I needed to specify the > full > > path to that module in order to get it to work. > This > > was the case in both a K12LTSP install and an > ltsp4.1 > > on Mandrake install (both on the same machine). > > > > I'll post back my results. > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 03:04 -0700, Rob Owens > wrote: > > > > It's a Gateway PII 233 MHz. The video card is > > > AGP, > > > > not PCI. I don't know the specs on the > > > motherboard > > > > (the computer is not in the same building as > me > > > right > > > > now). > > > > > > This configuration (AGP) should boot with > XSERVER > > > =auto > > > > > > > Last night I installed Mandrake 10.1 on that > > > machine > > > > to see what x-server it chose as the default. > It > > > was > > > > GLoria Synergy (and it was later referred to > as > > > Elsa > > > > GLoria Synergy). It identified the monitor as > > > > 1024x768 @ 70Hz, and set the resolution to > 800x600 > > > > 24bpp. With these settings it booted and ran > KDE > > > > fine. > > > > > > This also does not seem to be a problem. > > > > > > > The question now is, how to I get these > settings > > > when > > > > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria > Synery > > > > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for > > > x-servers. > > > > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the > the > > > ltsp > > > > tree? > > > > > > First check waht is the AGP memory allocation in > > > BIOS? Is it by any > > > chance less than 2MB? > > > > > > Second you can copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf or > > > /etc/X11/XF86Config (depending > > > on what version of k12 you are running) to > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 > > > directory (you may have to make the X11 folder) > Note > > > the details of > > > display and card sections when you run Mandrake > and > > > then edit the file > > > you copied accordingly. > > > > > > In lts.conf just mention XF86CONFIG_FILE = "the > file > > > you have edited" > > > > > > This should work. Although from all the hardware > > > specs you have > > > mentioned auto or at worst vesa driver should > have > > > worked and that too > > > at 1024x768 resolution. > > > -- > > > Sudev Barar > > > Learning Linux > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 18 02:48:20 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:48:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: <20050617100451.6244.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050617100451.6244.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jun 17, 2005, at 6:04 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > The question now is, how to I get these settings when > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for x-servers. > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the ltsp > tree? Ok, here's a snippet from bugzilla.redhat.com: (my comments are below) Red Hat Hardware Catalog Certification ? Elsa GLoria Synergy Detail 1: Ease of Install: 4 Status: Compatible Hardware Id: 3853 Detail Notes: XFree86 3.3.6 Server: XF86_3dlabs
XFree86 4.0.3-5 Driver: glint
Card Chipset: 3D Labs Permedia 2 Component Class: 2D Video Adapter Component Test: Must complete an installation, either graphical or text. Must pass the rhr-core tests. Must pass the rhr-dd_x test @ each available color depth. Component Notes: 24 bpp testing is not required if 32 bpp is available. 3D is not tested at this time. Created On: 2001-11-21 13:27:18-05 Modified On: 2001-11-21 13:27:18-05 (from http://bugzilla.redhat.com/hwcert/show.cgi?id=153497) Now the part I'm not sure about is the available drivers in LTSP. It looks like you either want the "glint" driver for using XFree86 4.x, or "XF86_3dlabs" for XFree86 3.x driver. I think LTSP 4.1 (K12LTSP 4.2) uses X.org instead of XFree86, so that might throw another monkey wrench into the mix. Also, I'm not sure if either of the above mentioned drivers are available in LTSP, AND I don't know how to add them if they are not. Hopefully someone can pipe in and give a little more technical guidance -- but I think that gets to the bottom of what kind of card you have... Hope this has helped some... -Shawn From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Sat Jun 18 03:09:25 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:09:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Option 221 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Sat Jun 18 03:13:40 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:13:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server recommends Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 05:17:53 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:17:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server recommends In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/17/05, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > I have recently purchased a Dell 1425SC. > Unfortunately there are hardware issues which I cannot resolve with the Dell > U320 SCSI controller and Fedora Core 3. I'm sending the unit back to did you try 4.2.1EL? Disable host raid in Bios and it should work with Centos/RHEL. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From genfil at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 08:37:17 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:37:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web cam Message-ID: Can connect a web cam to one thin client and view it in another? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Sat Jun 18 10:30:06 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:30:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 4 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jun 18 12:06:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:06:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 4 Message-ID: <200506181416.j5IEGrW06838@downeast.net> id installll rhel4 and then ltsp..we had a tempermental dell raid card rhel4 did recognize..chuck >
Is there anyway to install K12LTSP on Red Hat > Enterprise 3 or Red Hat Enterprise 4? If there is then I can keep this > Dell 1425 server. Otherwise the RAID card is unsupported on FC3.
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> > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Sat Jun 18 14:31:33 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:31:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] missing some public keys for 4.2.1 update Message-ID: <42B43045.1000800@maltzen.net> I followed Eric's instructions for updating my 4.2.0 server to 4.2.1: --snip-- To upgrade a K12LTSP 4.2.0 server online, install the latest k12ltsp-release package and then run yum update: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5.noarch.rpm yum update Yum update was cruising along when I suddenly got this: ... scribus-templates-1.2.1-1 100% |=========================| 1.4 MB 00:07 libtool-libs-1.5.6-4.FC3. 100% |=========================| 23 kB 00:00 warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 1ac70ce6 public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/perl-IPC-ShareLite-0.09-4.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/synaptic-0.55.3-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/fltk-1.1.4-8.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/blender-2.37-1.fc3.1.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/apt-0.5.15cnc7-1.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/openal-0.0-0.2.20040726.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/gnome-themes-extras-0.8.0-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/bluefish-1.0-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/SDL_ttf-2.0.6-4.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/lcms-1.14-1.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/meld-0.9.5-1.noarch.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/perl-IO-Zlib-1.04-2.noarch.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/perl-Cache-Cache-1.04-1.noarch.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/qcad-2.0.4.0-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/cabextract-1.1-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/celestia-1.3.2-2.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/extras/packages/gtkglext-1.0.6-1.i386.rpm Where do I get the public key for these packages? Petre From wescott at sc.rr.com Sat Jun 18 17:15:55 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 18 Jun 2005 13:15:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? In-Reply-To: <42B015E4.6020403@mtwp.net> References: <53869.199.216.98.51.1118772760.squirrel@199.216.98.51> <42B015E4.6020403@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <1119114955.1302.34.camel@eriadne> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 07:49, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > Joe Guenther wrote: > > One of my annoyances with K12LTSP is the extremely slow printing. We > > print directly to the IP address of a HP 4000 laserjet with Jet direct > > card. It uses CUPS v1.1.22rc1 (K12LTSP 4.2) > > > > The printer waits between each page. The CPU usage (dual 2.4Ghz Xeon) > > goes to 100% on both CPUs when printing. When only one job is printing, > > one CPU will be on 100% the other lower, but with multiple docs in the > > queue (http://127.0.0.1:631) both CPU's peak at 100% ... an the printing > > takes a day and an age. > We also saw that same slow performance when printing to HPLJ 4000 series > printers. The solution was to switch from the recommended Postscript > driver to the "hpijs" driver. More than 90% of our print jobs are text, > and the quality is good (and MUCH faster). And one might wonder why. CUPS is designed to give the same appearance for all printers, at least to the extent possible. To do this it will, for many printers, convert the document to be printed to an image. For postscript, this means taking the postscript and interpreting it and then taking the resulting image and rasterizing it. The resulting rasterized image is the converted back to postscript and sent to the printer. The consequences of all this is a lot of processing and the transformation of documents into huge postscript images. The images are slow to transfer to the printer (because of the size) and can be slow to be printed. But they'll look good, even identical on different brands of printers. If the printer is described as just a generic postscript printer CUPS doesn't know about any peculiarities of the printer and so doesn't bother to convert postscript (from say openoffice) to postscript of rasterized images and everything is a lot faster. The only downside is that you lose the ability to invoke some features of the printer like duplex printing et al. I.e. features that may be peculiar to the type of printer. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 17:42:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] recommend a sound card Message-ID: <20050618174214.58775.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I need to get a sound card for a thin client, and I'm hoping to not need any special configuration. Will any pci sound card be automatically detected / configured, or do I need to get one with a certain chipset, etc? Can anybody recommend a sound card that will work with no special configuration? I'm looking for something cheap and I'd rather not have to fool around with configuring the ancient isa cards that I've got sitting around. (Each one I try either plays at very low volume, or only out of one speaker). Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From robark at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 18:09:21 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:09:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] recommend a sound card In-Reply-To: <20050618174214.58775.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050618174214.58775.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ensoniq Creative SoundBlaster AudioPCI 128 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 18 19:37:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:37:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119123432.15425.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 05:30, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > Is there anyway to install K12LTSP on Red Hat Enterprise 3 or Red Hat > Enterprise 4? If there is then I can keep this Dell 1425 server. > Otherwise the RAID card is unsupported on FC3. Look through the mail list archives for messages with a subject of "K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL pre-release". Eric is working on a version bundled on Centos4 (which is RHEL4 rebuilt from source so it can be redistributed freely). The current work is at: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ and a recent message hinted at a July 4 final release. The Centos folks also have a 'centosplus' repository with some things omitted from RHEL, like a kernel with a lot of drivers/filesystems that exist in fedora but were removed in the official RHEL4. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From olle at paalalinn.com Sat Jun 18 22:35:32 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:35:32 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] APT with fc3 or fc4? Message-ID: <42B4A1B4.4050106@paalalinn.com> Synaptic wanted! Problem is: I don't know and ordinary user don't know what package does what. With FC2 based K12LTSP synaptic works. Synaptic is the only way to view a list of programs, installed or available to install, where I can get information, what this program does. I can easy determine, do I need them or not. Yum is not a option there. It helps only when I know what I want. Synaptic helps me when I want to browse uninstalled programs to find something useful for me. But now FC3 and FC4. Where get list file that points to correct addresses? I am looking for it some time now - nothing. Or can someone point me right direction to build my own apt repository for FC4? Without synaptic we can't pull users from Windows boxes to Linux boxes. Olle Niit From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 19 04:35:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] APT with fc3 or fc4? In-Reply-To: <42B4A1B4.4050106@paalalinn.com> References: <42B4A1B4.4050106@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Olle Niit wrote: > Synaptic wanted! > > Problem is: > I don't know and ordinary user don't know what package does what. > With FC2 based K12LTSP synaptic works. > Synaptic is the only way to view a list of programs, installed or available to > install, where I can get information, what this program does. I can easy > determine, do I need them or not. > > Yum is not a option there. It helps only when I know what I want. > Synaptic helps me when I want to browse uninstalled programs to find something > useful for me. > > But now FC3 and FC4. > Where get list file that points to correct addresses? > I am looking for it some time now - nothing. > > Or can someone point me right direction to build my own apt repository for > FC4? > Without synaptic we can't pull users from Windows boxes to Linux boxes. Hi Olle, Synaptic & apt are included in the K12LTSP versions of FC3 & FC4. I'm guessing one of three things: 1) you installed vanilla FC3 or FC4. In this case, just run: yum install apt synaptic and you'll be in business -or- 2) you have apt & synaptic installed, but don't like how it works in FC3/FC4. In this case, file a bug report or feature request... apt & synaptic are maintained in Fedora Extras. The Fedora Extras bugzilla is at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla -or- 3) I completely missed your point... -Eric From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun Jun 19 04:46:45 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:46:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] why is printing SOOOO slow?? In-Reply-To: <1119114955.1302.34.camel@eriadne> References: <53869.199.216.98.51.1118772760.squirrel@199.216.98.51> <42B015E4.6020403@mtwp.net> <1119114955.1302.34.camel@eriadne> Message-ID: <42B4F8B5.3080505@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 19 05:44:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #1 Message-ID: Hey folks, After several days of heavy-hacking, I have a first beta of K12LTSP 4.4.0 ready for testing. This is based on the just-released Fedora Core 4. It has all sorts of updates, including the OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta. This beta also tests out changing the default desktop background. I updated my laptop & desktop earlier this week and all is going well so far. Today we upgraded all of the servers at Riverdale and it went smooth as can be. But keep in mind that this is a first beta, it is not ready for production use. This is not feature-complete and there are known bugs. Here is my current TODO list: * Gcompris needs to be rebuilt (currently not included) * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? * finalize default background, new GDM theme? * test, test, test If you want to help test this beta out, please be sure to run "yum upgrade" after you install. I've already updated a dozen packages... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jun 19 11:24:53 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:24:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D25D48A-0BBA-47AE-A94A-167612B032B7@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just curious, what happened to 4.3? On Jun 19, 2005, at 12:44 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Hey folks, > > After several days of heavy-hacking, I have a first beta of K12LTSP > 4.4.0 > ready for testing. This is based on the just-released Fedora Core 4. > It has all sorts of updates, including the OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta. > This beta also tests out changing the default desktop background. > > I updated my laptop & desktop earlier this week and all is going well > so far. > > Today we upgraded all of the servers at Riverdale and it went smooth > as can be. > > But keep in mind that this is a first beta, it is not ready for > production use. This is not feature-complete and there are known > bugs. > > Here is my current TODO list: > > * Gcompris needs to be rebuilt (currently not included) > * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? > * finalize default background, new GDM theme? > * test, test, test > > If you want to help test this beta out, please be sure to run > "yum upgrade" after you install. I've already updated a dozen > packages... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkK1VgYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS/8QCfZA1aRlNt6cli4HNHl/hSPpHg DjEAnRhRyzsDBUc2TtjtEyP29wcC3SIh =t7LE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From olle at paalalinn.com Sun Jun 19 11:26:03 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:26:03 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] APT with fc3 or fc4? In-Reply-To: References: <42B4A1B4.4050106@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <42B5564B.90108@paalalinn.com> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Olle Niit wrote: > >> Synaptic wanted! >> >> But now FC3 and FC4. >> Where get list file that points to correct addresses? >> I am looking for it some time now - nothing. >> Interesting: I installed Synaptic to FC3 today with yum -y install synaptic and it works as it should. In Synaptic: Settings menu, Repositories - was all empty when I last checked some times ago - This was my problem. I think problem started with updates and was solved too with some updates. It proves again - dont touch when it works, start yum -y update only when you have real problem. Not to just up-do-date your system. After troubles with wine when updated initscripts screwd it up, i'm very worried. Then was problem with synaptic... What to tell future homeuser clients? Never ever update your system? Until you are smart enough to reinstall from setup cd-s? What package provides configuration for apt-get mirror-select ? Pure FC4 install gives me nothing but error: E: Failed to fetch mirror list file Olle From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Jun 19 13:11:34 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:11:34 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay Message-ID: Erik, As teacher/ITman in primary schools i'd like to ask you if there's a possibilty to include childplay in to the default eduset of applications. It's a wonderful suite of applications with moderate sys req. The link to childsplay is: http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/ kinldy regards, Kevin IT coordinator SG Rupel Belgium From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 19 14:19:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:19:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] APT with fc3 or fc4? In-Reply-To: <42B5564B.90108@paalalinn.com> References: <42B4A1B4.4050106@paalalinn.com> <42B5564B.90108@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <1119190793.30244.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 06:26, Olle Niit wrote: > It proves again - dont touch when it works, start yum -y update only > when you have real problem. Not to just up-do-date your system. After > troubles with wine when updated initscripts screwd it up, i'm very > worried. Then was problem with synaptic... It is rare for an update to break things unless you are mixing repositories or doing major-number version upgrades on the whole system (which doesn't happen by default). > What to tell future homeuser clients? Never ever update your system? > Until you are smart enough to reinstall from setup cd-s? Usually the updates fix some problem whether you have encountered it yet or not. In most cases it will be changes in config files that cause trouble. During the updates watch for warnings either that an update replaced a config file or that it saved the new copy as *.rpmsave. In the latter case there may be new configuration options that won't be set because your existing file was preserved. They are text files so you can use diff to compare your working copy and the new default version. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jun 19 14:28:15 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:28:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue Message-ID: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS fitted) since doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by in the startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two relevant packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error message: Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message again to read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, messages, secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash past. Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the error? If someone can even second guess what the error is (because you've seen it yourself very recently) could you even point to fixing it? I know that last bit is very cheeky, so I'll not expect much for my audacity ;-). Anyway, once I actually see the error properly I'll come crawling back here for some help ;-) My system _seems_ okay, but just making sure ... -- Regards, Gavin Chester From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 19 17:20:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Erik, > > As teacher/ITman in primary schools i'd like to ask you if there's a > possibilty to include childplay in to the default eduset of applications. > > It's a wonderful suite of applications with moderate sys req. > > The link to childsplay is: > http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/ > > kinldy regards, > > Kevin > IT coordinator SG Rupel Belgium Childsplay is one of the options I was looking at if I can't get GCompris to compile with gcc 4.0 (which is included in FC4). I'll see if I can package it... -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 17:38:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:38:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question Message-ID: Hi all, I have two scsi drives. One for / and another for /home. I was thinking about setting up a cron job to rsync my /home drive to another backup machine I will setup. But I'm not sure about my / drive. Do I have to boot from a live cd and mount / and then do the rsync? Also I'm going to upgrade to 4.2.1EL this summer any suggestions on partitioning? Should I have /var or /boot etc on separate partitions? reasons? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lewis at pcc.com Sun Jun 19 18:50:34 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:50:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] optiplex gx280 problems In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605051316484fe3c842@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605051316484fe3c842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, Did you get an answer to your question? I ask as I am having some problems with gx280's. I can't even get them to boot. They fail at / proc. I am using k12ltsp41. What version are you using? Thanks Lewis On May 13, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Folks, > I'm having some trouble configuring our Dell Optiplex gx280s as > terminals. I can't get the usb keyboards to work. which sound and > video modules should I use? the i810s fail for both. > for usb kebbords and mice I tried the following but not luck : > MODULE_01 = usb-uhci > MODULE_02 = mousedev > MODULE_03 = usbmouse > MODULE_04 = usbkbd > MODULE_05 = keybdev > > ohci won't work at all. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Jun 19 19:26:55 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:26:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16A3CF06-DC6F-4D1A-8B06-176D9ACAE670@telenet.be> Thanks a lot Erik Kevin Op 19-jun-05, om 19:20 heeft Eric Harrison het volgende geschreven: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > >> Erik, >> >> As teacher/ITman in primary schools i'd like to ask you if there's >> a possibilty to include childplay in to the default eduset of >> applications. >> >> It's a wonderful suite of applications with moderate sys req. >> >> The link to childsplay is: >> http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/ >> >> kinldy regards, >> >> Kevin >> IT coordinator SG Rupel Belgium >> > > Childsplay is one of the options I was looking at if I can't get > GCompris to compile with gcc 4.0 (which is included in FC4). > > I'll see if I can package it... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lewis at pcc.com Sun Jun 19 19:56:36 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:56:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.1 and tg3 network cards Message-ID: Hi all, I love old hardware. Mainly because it all works with LTSP. To that end I have new hardware and it does not work. I have several Dell Optiplex GX280 hosts that will not boot. They hang shortly after /proc in the boot process. The Older Dell Optiplex machine do boot, but they have Intel bases network cards. Can anyone tell me if network cards with the following ID's work with k12ltsp4.1 14e4:1677 (NetXtreme 1 Gig) I'm using ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 I just ran yum update and there were no actions to take. Any help would be most appreciated. Lewis From staceypacquette at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 20:49:13 2005 From: staceypacquette at gmail.com (stacey pacquette) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:49:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> I found the error text displayed during bootup in i think the boot log in /var/log, you should be able to read the entire message there. I also had similar problems with dhcp and winbind settings conflicting with SELinux Security Level settings. Changing the security level to passive while trouble shooting helped to resolve the problems, fortunantly all was resolved within the Security Level settings. I too was a little ~surprised by the many changes after updating the system, with dhcp being a dependency of the terminal server i was surprised this created problems with the security settings. On 6/19/05, Gavin Chester wrote: > > I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS fitted) since > doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by in the > startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two relevant > packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error message: > > Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 > Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 > > Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message again to > read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, messages, > secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash past. > > Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the error? > > If someone can even second guess what the error is (because you've seen > it yourself very recently) could you even point to fixing it? I know > that last bit is very cheeky, so I'll not expect much for my > audacity ;-). Anyway, once I actually see the error properly I'll come > crawling back here for some help ;-) My system _seems_ okay, but just > making sure ... > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Mon Jun 20 00:14:35 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:14:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD Message-ID: Want to know if this is possible. Our students all have AD accounts. Can Linux TS be setup to use their Windows AD account to allow them to login....and can we point to their home directory on a new SAN that we at setting up. thanks David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Jun 20 00:13:58 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:13:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 13:49 -0700, stacey pacquette wrote: > I found the error text displayed during bootup in i think the boot log > in /var/log, you should be able to read the entire message there. Thanks for that tip. Forgot to list that file as one I had checked, but no good as far as the error message. Any other file ideas? > I also had similar problems with dhcp and winbind settings > conflicting with SELinux Security Level settings. I don't seem to have those issues. At least, all the dmesg, etc files I checked so far showed my services (that were meant to start) all started without error at bootup. > Changing the security level to passive while trouble shooting helped > to resolve the problems, fortunantly all was resolved within the > Security Level settings. I will try that, thanks. This is done by editing the /etc/selinux/config, yes? Where does it print the warnings after that? I guess that means a reboot to bring up the warnings? Gavin > > I too was a little ~surprised by the many changes after updating the > system, with dhcp being a dependency of the terminal server i was > surprised this created problems with the security settings. > > On 6/19/05, Gavin Chester wrote: > I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS > fitted) since > doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by > in the > startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two > relevant > packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error > message: > > Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 > Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch > 1.17.30-3.9 > > Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message > again to > read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, > messages, > secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash > past. > > Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the > error? > > If someone can even second guess what the error is (because > you've seen > it yourself very recently) could you even point to fixing > it? I know > that last bit is very cheeky, so I'll not expect much for my > audacity ;-). Anyway, once I actually see the error properly > I'll come > crawling back here for some help ;-) My system _seems_ okay, > but just > making sure ... > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Jun 20 00:28:23 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:28:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Selectively uninstalling from everything installation (i.e. how to get rid of the games) In-Reply-To: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200506200029.j5K0TrgW018154@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I chose "install everything" when installing K12ltsp 4.2.0 But now many of the children are wasting their time with games like Tuxracer, Blackjack, Asteroids etc. How can I uninstall just those kind of games but not the educational ones like Gcompris, Tuxmath, Tuxtype, Ktouch etc? I tried to unselect "games" in system settings/add remove applications but it wouldn't let me. It gave a message Packages not found "The following packages could not be found on your system. Installation cannot continue until they are installed. Unlocatable package: Kdeedu Required by: ('k12ltsp-education','4.2.0','1') Unlocatable package: Kdeedu Required by: ('kedudevel','3.3.1','2.1') -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Chester Sent: Monday, 20 June 2005 2:28 a.m. To: k12 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS fitted) since doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by in the startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two relevant packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error message: Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message again to read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, messages, secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash past. Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the error? If someone can even second guess what the error is (because you've seen it yourself very recently) could you even point to fixing it? I know that last bit is very cheeky, so I'll not expect much for my audacity ;-). Anyway, once I actually see the error properly I'll come crawling back here for some help ;-) My system _seems_ okay, but just making sure ... -- Regards, Gavin Chester _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jun 20 00:10:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:10:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD Message-ID: <200506200220.j5K2K8E00636@downeast.net> there is some winbind config files on the wiki to auth to AD..if their homedirs are linux it should be fairly easy to nfs mount ..chuck > Want to know if this is possible. Our students all have AD accounts. Can > Linux TS be setup to use their Windows AD account to allow them to > login....and can we point to their home directory on a new SAN that we at > setting up. > > thanks > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jun 20 00:52:35 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:52:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Selectively uninstalling from everything installation (i.e. how to get rid of the games) In-Reply-To: <200506200029.j5K0TrgW018154@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200506200029.j5K0TrgW018154@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <42B61353.7000007@parkrose.k12.or.us> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > How can I uninstall just those kind of games but not the educational ones > like Gcompris, Tuxmath, Tuxtype, Ktouch etc? # yum groupremove 'Games and Entertainment' -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Jun 20 00:52:34 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506200124.j5K1Ondn002110@mx3.redhat.com> David... I do something like this with Windows laptops on our network... We have AD, and we map home directories that are served up by a linux box. They log in, and it all just works, the drives map, and no one cares what machine is serving up the directories. I import the students via webmin to create the accounts with login disabled so they don't have shell access on the linux machine. I set the skel directory up with 711 permissions to prevent casual browsing by other users. EXCHANGEDOMAIN is the AD domain. Note that I am not using a TS machine for any of this, but the AD authentication for home directory access on another machine is all there. Below is the important part of the smb.conf netbios name = STUDENT browseable = no server string = The Student Server password server = * local master = no workgroup = EXCHANGEDOMAIN os level = 33 security = domain Regards... Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Dees > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:15 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD > > Want to know if this is possible. Our students all have AD > accounts. Can Linux TS be setup to use their Windows AD > account to allow them to login....and can we point to their > home directory on a new SAN that we at setting up. > > thanks > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 03:02:51 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] recommend a sound card In-Reply-To: <20050618174214.58775.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050620030251.70858.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've had some success with the Creative SoundBlaster 16-bit Pre-Amp PCI card. David Whitmer __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 20 03:10:46 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 13:49 -0700, stacey pacquette wrote: >> I found the error text displayed during bootup in i think the boot log >> in /var/log, you should be able to read the entire message there. > > Thanks for that tip. Forgot to list that file as one I had checked, but > no good as far as the error message. Any other file ideas? > >> I also had similar problems with dhcp and winbind settings >> conflicting with SELinux Security Level settings. > > I don't seem to have those issues. At least, all the dmesg, etc files I > checked so far showed my services (that were meant to start) all started > without error at bootup. > >> Changing the security level to passive while trouble shooting helped >> to resolve the problems, fortunantly all was resolved within the >> Security Level settings. > > I will try that, thanks. This is done by editing > the /etc/selinux/config, yes? Where does it print the warnings after > that? I guess that means a reboot to bring up the warnings? > > Gavin > >> >> I too was a little ~surprised by the many changes after updating the >> system, with dhcp being a dependency of the terminal server i was >> surprised this created problems with the security settings. >> >> On 6/19/05, Gavin Chester wrote: >> I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS >> fitted) since >> doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by >> in the >> startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two >> relevant >> packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error >> message: >> >> Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 >> Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch >> 1.17.30-3.9 >> >> Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message >> again to >> read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, >> messages, >> secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash >> past. >> >> Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the >> error? >> >> If someone can even second guess what the error is (because >> you've seen >> it yourself very recently) could you even point to fixing >> it? I know >> that last bit is very cheeky, so I'll not expect much for my >> audacity ;-). Anyway, once I actually see the error properly >> I'll come >> crawling back here for some help ;-) My system _seems_ okay, >> but just >> making sure ... In FC4, the selinux messages go in /var/log/audit/audit.log if you have auditd runnnig, otherwise they go to /var/log/messages. In ealier versions, they all go to /var/log/messages. I'm thinking about having K12LTSP 4.4.0 default to "permissive" mode. Otherwise, I'm going to turn off SELinux for dhcpd, portmap, and mysql, which is where I see the most trouble. All of these settings can be changed by running system-config-securitylevel "System Settings" -> "Security Level" -> click on the SELinux tab. -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Jun 20 03:40:55 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:40:55 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1119238855.4652.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 20:10 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > >> On 6/19/05, Gavin Chester wrote: > >> I rebooted for the first time (due to power cut and no UPS > >> fitted) since > >> doing a yum update and am seeing an error for SELinux flash by > >> in the > >> startup messages. Looking in my yum.log I see these two > >> relevant > >> packages were (most recently) updated preceding the error > >> message: > >> > >> Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.17.30-3.9 > >> Jun 18...Updated: selinux-policy-targeted-sources.noarch > >> 1.17.30-3.9 > >> > >> Trouble is I can't see where to find the exact error message > >> again to > >> read it properly. I tried the following /var files: dmesg, > >> messages, > >> secure, but none contain the exact error message I saw flash > >> past. > >> > >> Can someone please point me to the file I need to see the > >> error? > >> > >> > In FC4, the selinux messages go in /var/log/audit/audit.log if you have > auditd runnnig, otherwise they go to /var/log/messages. In ealier versions, > they all go to /var/log/messages. Eric, I'm running FC3 as k12ltsp v 4.2.0 and there is nothing in the /var/log/messages file that approaches the boot error message that I saw. It referred to some file problems within /etc but more than that I couldn't see or remember, which is why I'm trying to track down where that message has got to :-( > I'm thinking about having K12LTSP 4.4.0 default to "permissive" mode. Looking more closely in my /var/log/messages it reports that is how SELinux is starting: etc etc Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Initializing. Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Starting in permissive mode Jun 19 21:49:56 local irqbalance: irqbalance startup succeeded Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability etc etc etc ... however, the config file would have it otherwise: [root at local ~]# gedit /etc/selinux/config # This file controls the state of SELinux on the system. # SELINUX= can take one of these three values: # enforcing - SELinux security policy is enforced. # permissive - SELinux prints warnings instead of enforcing. # disabled - SELinux is fully disabled. SELINUX=enforcing # SELINUXTYPE= type of policy in use. Possible values are: # targeted - Only targeted network daemons are protected. # strict - Full SELinux protection. SELINUXTYPE=targeted > Otherwise, I'm going to turn off SELinux for dhcpd, portmap, and mysql, > which is where I see the most trouble. > > All of these settings can be changed by running system-config-securitylevel > "System Settings" -> "Security Level" -> click on the SELinux tab. > ... where the settings matched the config file that was set to "enforce" and "targeted". At a bit of a loss here :-\ -- Regards, Gavin Chester From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Jun 20 04:01:48 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:31:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 10:38 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hi all, > I have two scsi drives. One for / and another for /home. I was > thinking about setting up a cron job to rsync my /home drive to > another backup machine I will setup. But I'm not sure about my / > drive. Do I have to boot from a live cd and mount / and then do the > rsync? No, rsync will copy image/file as it is on the disk at the point of time. Thus even if one is working on a document (say in OO) the file as it exists will be synchronised. The updated file (once the document being edited is saved) would be copied only in the next sync. OTOH why sync "/"? Since most of the directories here are static you should sync "/var" My $0.02 worth. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Jun 20 04:05:49 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:05:49 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Selectively uninstalling from everything installation(i.e. how to get rid of the games) In-Reply-To: <42B61353.7000007@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200506200407.j5K47JRo024923@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Thanks. I did what you said and it got rid of the games but it also got rid of kdeedu (ktouch etc.) So afterwards I did Yum install k12ltsp-education And now everything is just as I wanted it. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Monday, 20 June 2005 12:53 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Selectively uninstalling from everything installation(i.e. how to get rid of the games) Krsnendu dasa wrote: > How can I uninstall just those kind of games but not the educational ones > like Gcompris, Tuxmath, Tuxtype, Ktouch etc? # yum groupremove 'Games and Entertainment' -- Dan Young Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 20 04:23:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:23:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 12:38, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I have two scsi drives. One for / and another for /home. I was > thinking about setting up a cron job to rsync my /home drive to > another backup machine I will setup. But I'm not sure about my / > drive. Do I have to boot from a live cd and mount / and then do the > rsync? I guess it's time to plug backuppc again. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ will automatically collect backups over the network, compress them, and link all duplicates whether from different machines or different runs of the same machine to save space. > Also I'm going to upgrade to 4.2.1EL this summer any suggestions on > partitioning? Should I have /var or /boot etc on separate partitions? > reasons? /boot should normally be a small separate partition - and must be if you want the rest in software RAID or LVM. Keeping /home on it's own partition (or NFS-mounted from another machine) often allows you to install a new OS version without losing much data. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 05:16:16 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:16:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On 6/19/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > No, rsync will copy image/file as it is on the disk at the point of > time. Thus even if one is working on a document (say in OO) the file as > it exists will be synchronised. The updated file (once the document > being edited is saved) would be copied only in the next sync. Are you sure? I wonder why I thought you could not cp the / filesystem unless you boot from another / system (ie live cd)? > > OTOH why sync "/"? Since most of the directories here are static you > should sync "/var" Mainly because of program updates. But since it is mostly static then rsync should be very fast the second time around. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 05:50:38 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:50:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 6/19/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > I guess it's time to plug backuppc again. > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ will automatically collect > backups over the network, compress them, and link all duplicates > whether from different machines or different runs of the same > machine to save space. I will look into backuppc. I like the advantage of having multiple backup images that are saved incrementally. Nice if your system gets borked and you do a backup without knowing it. In that case a simple rsync will do more harm than good. > > /boot should normally be a small separate partition - and must be > if you want the rest in software RAID or LVM. Keeping /home > on it's own partition (or NFS-mounted from another machine) > often allows you to install a new OS version without losing > much data. Since I am starting from scratch I have given RAID a lot of thought. Here is my current thinking: Can't do hardware raid- no more funds this year Have heard Software RAID is robust/easy: Only have 2 disks so no RAID 5 (sucks anyways- too slow) RAID 1 : Since I have an external backup not too worried about redundancy. If I lose a drive then I go buy another one, restore, and I'm up within a day or two. Acceptable. So here is my dilemma: Option #1: RAID 0 with my dual channel controller pros faster (not sure how much though) cons lose one lose both I think I may lose the benefit of hardware scsi tcq (not sure) eats cpu cycles Option #2: stick /boot and / on one disk/controller and /home on the other pros separate launching/running apps from /home traffic no software RAID to mess with (simpler restore) cons ? Which option would you take #1 or #2? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Jun 20 06:31:48 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:01:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1119249108.20144.30.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 22:16 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/19/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > > No, rsync will copy image/file as it is on the disk at the point of > > time. Thus even if one is working on a document (say in OO) the file as > > it exists will be synchronised. The updated file (once the document > > being edited is saved) would be copied only in the next sync. > > Are you sure? I wonder why I thought you could not cp the / filesystem > unless you boot from another / system (ie live cd)? If you sync'ng on to the same disk the....but why would you do that? The whole purpose it sync onto another disc or preferably on another disk on another machine (AND another location!!) > > OTOH why sync "/"? Since most of the directories here are static you > > should sync "/var" > > Mainly because of program updates. But since it is mostly static then > rsync should be very fast the second time around. So let it be run less often as another cron job. And yes it will be faster if not much is to be done. To over come issue of system crashing and spoiling the sync we work on a three generation rsync. Generation one (working server) syncs to generation two on hourly basis. Generation two rsync is run on weekly basis. So if we have to restore from generation two only one hours of work at max is lost. We could do the generation two to three on faster frequency but this works for us. I find rsync fast and easy to use even when the files are being worked upon and it runs with exclude list so that no essential things like background and such settings (usually the ".*" files) can be excluded. BUT I must admit I have not used backuppc extensively enough to go against what you mentioned in you other post. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 20 06:47:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: <1119238855.4652.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1119238855.4652.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 20:10 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> I'm thinking about having K12LTSP 4.4.0 default to "permissive" mode. > > Looking more closely in my /var/log/messages it reports that is how > SELinux is starting: > > etc > etc > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Initializing. > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Starting in permissive mode > Jun 19 21:49:56 local irqbalance: irqbalance startup succeeded > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: selinux_register_security: Registering > secondary module capability > etc > etc > etc > ... however, the config file would have it otherwise: > > [root at local ~]# gedit /etc/selinux/config > # This file controls the state of SELinux on the system. > # SELINUX= can take one of these three values: > # enforcing - SELinux security policy is enforced. > # permissive - SELinux prints warnings instead of enforcing. > # disabled - SELinux is fully disabled. > SELINUX=enforcing > # SELINUXTYPE= type of policy in use. Possible values are: > # targeted - Only targeted network daemons are protected. > # strict - Full SELinux protection. > SELINUXTYPE=targeted > > >> Otherwise, I'm going to turn off SELinux for dhcpd, portmap, and mysql, >> which is where I see the most trouble. >> >> All of these settings can be changed by running system-config-securitylevel >> "System Settings" -> "Security Level" -> click on the SELinux tab. >> > > ... where the settings matched the config file that was set to > "enforce" and "targeted". > > At a bit of a loss here :-\ Okay, I hope this is a simple explaination ;-) SELinux uses policy files that define what different programs and users can/cannot do. Fedora ships with two different policy configurations, strict and targeted. The strict policy is exactly that. Every user and every program is covered by the strict policy. The targeted policy covers specific (i.e. targeted) programs and users, such as ftp, httpd, and samba. Everything that is not specificly included in the targeted policy is not secured by SELinux. Targeted policy is the default for Fedora. This is the "SELINUXTYPE=targeted" entry in /etc/selinux/config Independant of the policy, SELinux can be set in three different states: disabled, permissive, and enforcing. Disabled turns SELinux off completely. Permissive turns on the selected SELinux policy (targeted or strict), but only logs warnings when a security violation occurs (i.e. if the policy says you can't run /bin/foo, it will let you run /bin/foo but will log that you shouldn't be allowed to do that). Enforcing turns on the selected SELinux policy (targeted or strict), and enforces that policy (i.e. if the policy says you can't run /bin/foo, you will not be able to run /bin/foo). This is the "SELINUX=enforcing" entry in /etc/selinux/config I hope that helps. This stuff gets real deep real fast once you get beyond the basics. -Eric From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Mon Jun 20 12:18:01 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:18:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE Cookie Alert In-Reply-To: <20050609160033.AF71873CF2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050609160033.AF71873CF2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42B6B3F9.1080805@sancharnet.in> Hi I am getting a cookie Alert by KDE Deamon, from www.kde.org each time i boot an LTSP client machine. I dont get this when I use a user session in the server itself. This makes the system hang for a few minutes. How do i disable this Alert? regards Nataraj From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Jun 20 07:17:36 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:17:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux boot error issue In-Reply-To: References: <1119191296.4652.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <96bd2d7005061913496dc302b6@mail.gmail.com> <1119226438.4652.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1119238855.4652.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1119251856.4652.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 23:47 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > etc > > etc > > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Initializing. > > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: SELinux: Starting in permissive mode > > Jun 19 21:49:56 local irqbalance: irqbalance startup succeeded > > Jun 19 21:49:56 local kernel: selinux_register_security: Registering > > secondary module capability > > etc > > etc > > etc > > ... however, the config file would have it otherwise: > > -snip- > Okay, I hope this is a simple explaination ;-) Yeh, thanks :-) -snip- > I hope that helps. This stuff gets real deep real fast once you > get beyond the basics. > Thanks for your continuing attention, Eric, and the explanation of SELinux basics :-). However, I'm no closer to the issue of the error message - or even where to try looking for it. Even if I reboot in permissive mode where are the SELinux messages written becasue it's not where I would expect (as posted before)?. Perhaps the whole thing is in the info I've already posted. Since doing the most recent upgrade of SELinux rpms my system is now booting in permissive mode (as shown above) even though the config file says it shouldn't. So perhaps the messages I'm seeing since the upgrade are normal permissive-mode messages that were previously hidden? Since all services seem to start as they should, perhaps this is a case of ignore it and stop worrying? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 10:19:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050620101914.14970.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would put /var on its own partition. This way if for some reason your log files grow out of control, your root partition will not fill up. -Rob --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hi all, > I have two scsi drives. One for / and another for > /home. I was > thinking about setting up a cron job to rsync my > /home drive to > another backup machine I will setup. But I'm not > sure about my / > drive. Do I have to boot from a live cd and mount / > and then do the > rsync? > > Also I'm going to upgrade to 4.2.1EL this summer any > suggestions on > partitioning? Should I have /var or /boot etc on > separate partitions? > reasons? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 10:28:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050620102816.16265.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Are you sure? I wonder why I thought you could not > cp the / filesystem > unless you boot from another / system (ie live cd)? rsync works differently than cp. rsync is supposed to take a "snapshot" of the files, and then copy them all as they were at that instant in time. (I'm sure it's not an "instant", but it's apparently a very short period of time). cp on the other hand copies files one by one, so if the files are changing while the copying is being done, you may not end up with a usable backup. For instance, supppose some process modifies files A and Z while you are doing cp. When cp started, you copied the old "A", but by the time cp gets to copying "Z", you're copying the new "Z". Everybody who is interested in backups should take a look at this link: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ It gives an excellent explanation of how a good backup system works. After reading it, I chose to run a program called rsnapshot, which is linked off of this page. It works very well for me for home use. I think backuppc would probably be better for a network evironment, because it can pool files from multiple machines (according to Les' recent post). But no matter what, read that link. It is great information. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 20 12:41:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:41:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1119271301.5738.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 00:50, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > So here is my dilemma: > Option #1: RAID 0 with my dual channel controller > > pros > faster (not sure how much though) > > cons > lose one lose both > I think I may lose the benefit of hardware scsi tcq (not sure) > eats cpu cycles > > Option #2: stick /boot and / on one disk/controller and /home on the other > > pros > separate launching/running apps from /home traffic > no software RAID to mess with (simpler restore) > > cons > ? The con on option 2 is that /home is limited to the space on the 2nd drive. If you expect that to be enough, I'd do it that way (#2) for simplicity and to make the disk head seek independently for /home instead of fighting with logging to /var which also happens all the time. If you do need more space for /home, there is a 3rd option of using LVM to span the drives instead of RAID0, and that is the default for FC3+ and RHEL4 (and Centos4). LVM allows you to first combine the disks, then partition the combined space as you want. I've only done it on some test boxes and don't know how hard it would be to recover data if you have a problem on one of the drives. If you are willing to go back to the previous day's backup I guess it wouldn't matter. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 20 12:49:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:49:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir question Message-ID: <42B6BB63.9060206@inlandlakes.org> Is anyone familiar enough with Maildir to know if it's possible to to either change the location of the Maildir folder (ie, so it's not in /home/username) or to change the name of the folder itself to .Maildir so that my users will stop erasing all their email and blaming me? I'm concerned about IMAP compatibility, etc... Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Mon Jun 20 13:08:13 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:08:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Backups In-Reply-To: <20050620124955.10C847358C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Robert, I would recommend backing up with rsnyc to a separate server. In our network I use rsync to backup from one server to another. Probably the easiest way to do this is to use SSH-keygen in concert with rsync to provide a seamless and secure backup that will run unattended as a CRON job. There is a really a really good description and how to for SSH key generation on page 140 of Linux Server Hacks by Rob Flickenger. Server Hacks is published by O'Reilly and is a great resource. Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 13:20:56 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free In-Reply-To: <200506171647.j5HGlS7o002042@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050620132056.98297.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> My first Linux project was to get my school district properly "filtered". The commercial filter they were using was unacceptable. I pulled it off the network and built a squid/SquidGuard/DansGuardian box. I found an easy to use webmin module for DansGuardian (DG) and use it to administer the filter. I never touch squid or squidGuard, but SG updates it's lists every night automagically! I use DG to customize the "phraselists" and it seems to work very well! Out cost? 0$! You can't beat FREE! And it works beautifully! --- Mark Sarria wrote: > This is a good question and it happens to tie in > with the comparison I am > performing. Our district purchased Websense > Enterprise, and I have Squid > running SquidGuard locally in my school. > I don't have full control of Websense so it might > not be a far comparison. > Our procedure for adding website to our blacklist is > to call the district > office ITD and have them add it to the Websense > blacklist. > > My squid server updates its black list every night. > The past few weeks I > have been testing for filtering. In my testing I > found that Websense blocked > more sites than my squidguard filter. It was able to > block sites in the > google sponsored links section. In order to block > those sites using my > squidguard server, I had to add them to my > blacklist. This could perhaps > mean that the district hired someone or is paying > Websense to create a > custom filter rule for the district. Since all 2000 > plus high schools use > the same filters. > Don't confuse the fact that squidguard does not do > proper filtering, in deed > it does. There were a few sites that squidguard did > block that websense did > not and squidguard does a pretty good job of > blocking adware and spyware, > were websense does nothing to protect us from that. > > To answer your question, it will depend on how much > administration you are > will to do or in your case charge for. You will > always have to add your own > site to the blacklist regardless of solution you > choose, paid blacklist or > free blacklist. > > --mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:37 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free > > I'm setting up a content filter and was wondering > what > everybody's opinions were on the free blacklists > available on the web vs the ones you can buy from > various companies. I don't have experience using > either. This particular setup is for a company that > has money to spend, but if the free lists are just > as > good as the paid ones, then I'll have the company > spend their money elsewhere. > > Thanks > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 20 13:21:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir question In-Reply-To: <42B6BB63.9060206@inlandlakes.org> References: <42B6BB63.9060206@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1119273671.5858.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 07:49, Shawn Powers wrote: > Is anyone familiar enough with Maildir to know if it's possible to to > either change the location of the Maildir folder (ie, so it's not in > /home/username) or to change the name of the folder itself to .Maildir > so that my users will stop erasing all their email and blaming me? > > I'm concerned about IMAP compatibility, etc... How you do that depends on what mail programs you use. You'll have to change both the delivery agent and the imap program to match. It sounds like what you really need is to use Cyrus which stores somewhere other than the home directory or use a different machine for mail delivery - or both. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 20 13:25:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:25:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c5759b$805fa660$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I will build this into the new TeacherTool I'm developing > with FLTK along with some other goodies. I'm hoping to have > it done by Sept. BTW I'm using tightvnc viewer 1.2.9 RH7 rpm Awesome! Thanks for all of your work. I hope you meet your deadline, I'd love to use the new version of the tool next year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 20 13:34:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:34:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] missing some public keys for 4.2.1 update In-Reply-To: <42B43045.1000800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002e01c5759c$b9d41880$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Where do I get the public key for these packages? I think this will do it. rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY* rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 20 13:35:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:35:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] missing some public keys for 4.2.1 update In-Reply-To: <42B43045.1000800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002f01c5759c$f95851b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Where do I get the public key for these packages? I found this in a newer post if the previous doesn't work. rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 20 13:40:53 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:40:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maildir question In-Reply-To: <1119273671.5858.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <42B6BB63.9060206@inlandlakes.org> <1119273671.5858.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42B6C765.9050406@inlandlakes.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > or use a different machine for mail delivery - or both. This is what I think I'm going to do -- thanks. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 20 13:47:54 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:47:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Message-ID: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> I'm setting up LDAP today for my first time (using CentOS 4.1, I think that was the suggested distro for such things) -- and I guess I'm looking for the most recent "way to do such a thing" LDAP has been such a big topic on this list, and so many folks have contributed, I'm not sure what the best way would be! I have a PDF from David Trask, but I don't know if that method is the easiest/most reliable way to set it up (plus it's based on FC2) Any pointers for a moocher like me? :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From webmaster at vol.org Mon Jun 20 14:57:20 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1119279440.3438.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 23:23, Les Mikesell wrote: > I guess it's time to plug backuppc again. How well does backuppc work with external drives? I'm probably wrong, but the last time I looked at it was about a year ago and I got the impression that it is designed to work with a single drive. I'm currently using my own solution with five external USB drives and rsync, but would like to use something more refined. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jun 20 16:00:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:00:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Message-ID: <200506201810.j5KIA2N28772@downeast.net> shawn: if you want all users in the people container use trasks smbldap-installer..I foyud like to group by year you can have my script as a template to set up slapd.conf ldap.conf authconfig smb.conf and the containers for people..chuck > I'm setting up LDAP today for my first time (using CentOS 4.1, I think > that was the suggested distro for such things) -- and I guess I'm > looking for the most recent "way to do such a thing" > > LDAP has been such a big topic on this list, and so many folks have > contributed, I'm not sure what the best way would be! > > I have a PDF from David Trask, but I don't know if that method is the > easiest/most reliable way to set it up (plus it's based on FC2) > > Any pointers for a moocher like me? :) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 20 17:17:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:17:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119279440.3438.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1119279440.3438.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1119287878.3506.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 09:57, george kocke wrote: > > I guess it's time to plug backuppc again. > > How well does backuppc work with external drives? I'm probably wrong, > but the last time I looked at it was about a year ago and I got the > impression that it is designed to work with a single drive. > > I'm currently using my own solution with five external USB drives and > rsync, but would like to use something more refined. Backuppc doesn't know or care where the drive is. However, it does all have to be on a single filesystem so the hard links can work to pool the files. I use a RAID1 mirror between an internal IDE and an external firewire and have had some trouble with the firewire drivers on 2.6 kernels so I wouldn't recommend doing that, but USB 2.0 would probably be OK. You could also simply rotate the entire disk that backuppc uses. Every time you swap it would do it's next incrementals based on where that drive stopped last time around and each drive would accumulate it's own history. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From webmaster at vol.org Mon Jun 20 17:34:28 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:34:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119287878.3506.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1119241417.4192.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1119279440.3438.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1119287878.3506.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1119288868.3438.14.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:17, Les Mikesell wrote: > You could also simply rotate the entire disk that > backuppc uses. Every time you swap it would do it's next incrementals > based on where that drive stopped last time around and each drive > would accumulate it's own history. Thanks. That's exactly what I needed to know. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 20 17:42:57 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:42:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119289378.10415.22.camel@techstation> A lot of people have recommended using rsync to do backups to another machine on the network. This is a great idea, and very similar to what I do. I use rdiff-backup, which uses rsync in the background. I like it better than plain rsync because it allows one to easily go back to previous versions of files if needed, does the whole thing over an SSH tunnel, and has some nice reporting capabilities. It is similar to rsnapshot, but rather than using hardlinks and copies of changed files, it stores diffs of the changed files so it is a little more space efficient, but that prevents the older versions from being transparently available on the filesystem. This may or may not be important to you. In any case, rdiff-backup or rsnapshot are more robust than rsync by itself. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Jun 20 22:04:59 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:04:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD In-Reply-To: <200506200124.j5K1Ondn002110@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200506202238.j5KMc5ZW027862@mx3.redhat.com> Ummm... I started thinking about my own post. In my setup the user directory is set up 711 permissions, and then I have a public (700), and a public_html for user web pages (755). If you are not needing something like the public_html, I would just create the user directory with 700 permissions. Regards... Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Thomas E. Haynes > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:53 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Windows AD > > David... > > I do something like this with Windows laptops on our network... > > We have AD, and we map home directories that are served up by > a linux box. > They log in, and it all just works, the drives map, and no > one cares what machine is serving up the directories. I > import the students via webmin to create the accounts with > login disabled so they don't have shell access on the linux > machine. I set the skel directory up with 711 permissions to > prevent casual browsing by other users. EXCHANGEDOMAIN is the > AD domain. > > Note that I am not using a TS machine for any of this, but > the AD authentication for home directory access on another > machine is all there. > > Below is the important part of the smb.conf > > netbios name = STUDENT > browseable = no > server string = The Student Server > password server = * > local master = no > workgroup = EXCHANGEDOMAIN > os level = 33 > security = domain > > Regards... Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Dees > > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:15 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Windows AD > > > > Want to know if this is possible. Our students all have AD > accounts. > > Can Linux TS be setup to use their Windows AD account to > allow them to > > login....and can we point to their home directory on a new > SAN that we > > at setting up. > > > > thanks > > > > David Dees > > Network Manager > > Suwannee County Schools > > 702 2nd Street NW > > Live Oak, FL 32064 > > (386) 364-2148 > > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Jun 21 01:26:06 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:26:06 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding DAG's YUM Repos? In-Reply-To: <200506202238.j5KMc5ZW027862@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050620152606.e6e1feee@trunks> Is there any problems with adding DAG's yum repository with K12LTSP FC distro? DAG's http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/packages.php From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 21 01:27:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] test childsplay packages Message-ID: I build childsplay packages for K12LTSP 4.2 & the 4.4 beta. "yum install childsplay" should install it and its dependancies. I played around with it for a little while on a 4.4 beta server, it feels faster and more stable than gcompris. Sound worked well on a terminal to boot. I don't have access to a k12LTSP 4.2.1 server at the moment. I'd appreciate if someone can try it out and let me know if it works or not. The current package does not include a menu entry. You have to fire up a terminal and type "childsplay" to get it to run. I'll fix that shortly. The pygame libraries that childsplay is built on also supports some nifty games that could pass as being education-ish. I played a few rounds of Pathological ;-) http://pathological.sourceforge.net/ Ran smooth as silk on my terminal and is trivial to package... -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:06:05 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:06:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding DAG's YUM Repos? In-Reply-To: <20050620152606.e6e1feee@trunks> References: <20050620152606.e6e1feee@trunks> Message-ID: <1119323165.4652.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 15:26 -1000, Wilson Chan wrote: > Is there any problems with adding DAG's yum repository with K12LTSP FC distro? > Don't know if my experience is unique, but I stay away from Dags with a vengeance because every time I had that in my repo list it screwed things up and tried to remove lots of good packages whenever I did yum update - like trying to remove k12ltsp base, etc :-O -- Regards, Gavin Chester From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 03:45:09 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:45:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <1119249108.20144.30.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> <1119249108.20144.30.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On 6/19/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > > Are you sure? I wonder why I thought you could not cp the / filesystem > > unless you boot from another / system (ie live cd)? > > If you sync'ng on to the same disk the....but why would you do that? The > whole purpose it sync onto another disc or preferably on another disk on > another machine (AND another location!!) No I'm not. Maybe I was not clear. I meant: boot the server from a live cd mount the server scsi / and /home drives rsync the scsi drives to the remote backup In this way I'm *NOT* booting off the filesystem which I'm backing up. > > I find rsync fast and easy to use even when the files are being worked > upon and it runs with exclude list so that no essential things like > background and such settings (usually the ".*" files) can be excluded. Okay so your saying you CAN use rsync on the booted filesystem. I thought you should NOT do this. But I can't remember why. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 03:56:35 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:56:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <20050620101914.14970.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050620101914.14970.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/05, Rob Owens wrote: > I would put /var on its own partition. This way if > for some reason your log files grow out of control, > your root partition will not fill up. > What's the difference between /var filling up vs / filling up? Is one happening worse than the other? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 04:03:56 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:03:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: <20050620102816.16265.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050620102816.16265.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/05, Rob Owens wrote: > rsync works differently than cp. rsync is supposed to > take a "snapshot" of the files, and then copy them all > as they were at that instant in time. (I'm sure it's > not an "instant", but it's apparently a very short > period of time). cp on the other hand copies files > one by one, so if the files are changing while the > copying is being done, you may not end up with a > usable backup. For instance, supppose some process > modifies files A and Z while you are doing cp. When > cp started, you copied the old "A", but by the time cp > gets to copying "Z", you're copying the new "Z". Okay this is the explanation I was looking for. Thank you. > > Everybody who is interested in backups should take a > look at this link: > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ > It's bookmarked. I'll definetely read it. Excellent link. > It gives an excellent explanation of how a good backup > system works. After reading it, I chose to run a > program called rsnapshot, which is linked off of this > page. It works very well for me for home use. I > think backuppc would probably be better for a network > evironment, because it can pool files from multiple > machines (according to Les' recent post). But no > matter what, read that link. It is great information. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 21 04:19:47 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:19:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup question In-Reply-To: References: <1119240108.9471.8.camel@server.ltsp> <1119249108.20144.30.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1119327587.6848.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 22:45, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > No I'm not. Maybe I was not clear. I meant: > > boot the server from a live cd > mount the server scsi / and /home drives > rsync the scsi drives to the remote backup > > In this way I'm *NOT* booting off the filesystem which I'm backing up. > > > > > I find rsync fast and easy to use even when the files are being worked > > upon and it runs with exclude list so that no essential things like > > background and such settings (usually the ".*" files) can be excluded. > > Okay so your saying you CAN use rsync on the booted filesystem. I > thought you should NOT do this. But I can't remember why. Yes, you can cp or rsync from the root filesystem. You won't get a perfect copy of files actively being written, but those usually aren't critical for running. You should avoid the /proc filesystem since those aren't real files. One way to do this is to use the --one-file-system option with cp, rsync, or tar, and do separate runs for each filesystem you want. On the other hand, if you are trying to restore a whole copy, it's probably not a good idea to cp or rsync *to* the root of a running system and booting from a live cd is one way that works. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jun 21 05:07:33 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:07:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] test childsplay packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DDAEF59-68C5-4CA4-AC9E-1456277B09A4@telenet.be> I'll try to give it a spin asap, Thanx for the quick start! Kevin Op 21-jun-05, om 03:27 heeft Eric Harrison het volgende geschreven: > > I build childsplay packages for K12LTSP 4.2 & the 4.4 beta. > > "yum install childsplay" should install it and its dependancies. > > I played around with it for a little while on a 4.4 beta server, > it feels faster and more stable than gcompris. Sound worked well > on a terminal to boot. > > I don't have access to a k12LTSP 4.2.1 server at the moment. I'd > appreciate if someone can try it out and let me know if it works > or not. > > The current package does not include a menu entry. You have to > fire up a terminal and type "childsplay" to get it to run. I'll > fix that shortly. > > The pygame libraries that childsplay is built on also supports > some nifty games that could pass as being education-ish. I played > a few rounds of Pathological ;-) http://pathological.sourceforge.net/ > Ran smooth as silk on my terminal and is trivial to package... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 21 05:14:09 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] test childsplay packages In-Reply-To: <7DDAEF59-68C5-4CA4-AC9E-1456277B09A4@telenet.be> References: <7DDAEF59-68C5-4CA4-AC9E-1456277B09A4@telenet.be> Message-ID: I just uploaded a bug fix, you might want to wait an hour before installing these packages... (or not, it is an easily fixed bug) I'll include the details in a seperate post when the repositories finish building and have been pushed to the mirrors. -Eric On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > I'll try to give it a spin asap, > > Thanx for the quick start! > > Kevin > > > Op 21-jun-05, om 03:27 heeft Eric Harrison het volgende geschreven: > >> >> I build childsplay packages for K12LTSP 4.2 & the 4.4 beta. >> >> "yum install childsplay" should install it and its dependancies. >> >> I played around with it for a little while on a 4.4 beta server, >> it feels faster and more stable than gcompris. Sound worked well >> on a terminal to boot. >> >> I don't have access to a k12LTSP 4.2.1 server at the moment. I'd >> appreciate if someone can try it out and let me know if it works >> or not. >> >> The current package does not include a menu entry. You have to >> fire up a terminal and type "childsplay" to get it to run. I'll >> fix that shortly. >> >> The pygame libraries that childsplay is built on also supports >> some nifty games that could pass as being education-ish. I played >> a few rounds of Pathological ;-) http://pathological.sourceforge.net/ >> Ran smooth as silk on my terminal and is trivial to package... >> >> -Eric >> From bklinux at verizon.net Tue Jun 21 05:25:48 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:25:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding DAG's YUM Repos? In-Reply-To: <20050620152606.e6e1feee@trunks> References: <20050620152606.e6e1feee@trunks> Message-ID: <42B7A4DC.80409@verizon.net> I use dag, freshrpms, etc only to yum install programs that originally didn't get packaged with the K12LTSP disto. (ie. MPlayer and plugins). I add the repo to the yum.repo.d dir only to install then move it to another folder until I need it again. I fell into the pit of having too much repos and each one wanted to add or remove things upon yum update...got kinda frustrating. --byron Wilson Chan wrote: >Is there any problems with adding DAG's yum repository with K12LTSP FC distro? > > >DAG's >http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/packages.php > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 21 05:49:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: test childsplay packages (FIXED) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > The current package does not include a menu entry. You have to > fire up a terminal and type "childsplay" to get it to run. I'll > fix that shortly. I fixed this bug and another slightly more annoying one. "yum install childsplay" should now install a nicely working package. If you installed the first "less than perfect" package, you should run the following commands to make sure it is removed. One is for FC3/EL4 the other is for FC4, it is safe to run both commands if you are not sure which version you have installed. rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2.1 rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 08:30:31 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:30:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] root on terminals Message-ID: <9bd3175605062101304a322d0f@mail.gmail.com> This could be a really silly question. But, is logging in as root or su on the terminals bad. The server has crashed when doing this perhaps when when I just close the xterm window instead of exiting root. Wha'da ya say? Thanks, Peter From brr at brr.no Tue Jun 21 09:14:53 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:14:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 sound error Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050621111249.02312f50@localhost> Hello! I get the following error on my test thin client after login: "Error: No volume control elements and / of devices found" The think client has sound card and it works ok with ESD in "Gnome Windows". Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 10:06:59 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free In-Reply-To: <20050620132056.98297.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050621100659.60130.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks for the info. Are there any good reporting tools for squidguard an dansguardian? I'm fine w/ looking through the logs, but I'm trying to break these guys in easy and it would help if I could show them a gui tool that lets them see who's getting blocked and how often. Thanks again. -Rob --- richard ingalls wrote: > My first Linux project was to get my school district > properly "filtered". The commercial filter they > were > using was unacceptable. I pulled it off the network > and built a squid/SquidGuard/DansGuardian box. I > found an easy to use webmin module for DansGuardian > (DG) and use it to administer the filter. I never > touch squid or squidGuard, but SG updates it's lists > every night automagically! I use DG to customize > the > "phraselists" and it seems to work very well! Out > cost? 0$! > > You can't beat FREE! And it works beautifully! > > --- Mark Sarria wrote: > > > This is a good question and it happens to tie in > > with the comparison I am > > performing. Our district purchased Websense > > Enterprise, and I have Squid > > running SquidGuard locally in my school. > > I don't have full control of Websense so it might > > not be a far comparison. > > Our procedure for adding website to our blacklist > is > > to call the district > > office ITD and have them add it to the Websense > > blacklist. > > > > My squid server updates its black list every > night. > > The past few weeks I > > have been testing for filtering. In my testing I > > found that Websense blocked > > more sites than my squidguard filter. It was able > to > > block sites in the > > google sponsored links section. In order to block > > those sites using my > > squidguard server, I had to add them to my > > blacklist. This could perhaps > > mean that the district hired someone or is paying > > Websense to create a > > custom filter rule for the district. Since all > 2000 > > plus high schools use > > the same filters. > > Don't confuse the fact that squidguard does not do > > proper filtering, in deed > > it does. There were a few sites that squidguard > did > > block that websense did > > not and squidguard does a pretty good job of > > blocking adware and spyware, > > were websense does nothing to protect us from > that. > > > > To answer your question, it will depend on how > much > > administration you are > > will to do or in your case charge for. You will > > always have to add your own > > site to the blacklist regardless of solution you > > choose, paid blacklist or > > free blacklist. > > > > --mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of Rob Owens > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:37 AM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] blacklists -- paid vs. free > > > > I'm setting up a content filter and was wondering > > what > > everybody's opinions were on the free blacklists > > available on the web vs the ones you can buy from > > various companies. I don't have experience using > > either. This particular setup is for a company > that > > has money to spend, but if the free lists are just > > as > > good as the paid ones, then I'll have the company > > spend their money elsewhere. > > > > Thanks > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > > tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 10:16:48 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:16:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] root on terminals In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605062101304a322d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605062101304a322d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05062103162a1057bd@mail.gmail.com> There isn't particularly any reason to not log in as root, the "danger" aspect is more that you can inadvertantly delete files you shouldn't and you can also execute untrustworth scripts and binaries logged in as root. When you say "terminals" do you mean a virtual terminal (i.e. shift-alt-f2) or an x-term, or perhaps logging out of X? Perhaps you should check /var/log/messages to see if there's anything going on in there? What happens when the crash happens? Do you lose keyboard and mouse responses? Are you able to shift-alt-f1 to a command prompt and see what processes are running with a tool like ps or top? Jon On 21/06/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > This could be a really silly question. But, is logging in as root or > su on the terminals bad. The server has crashed when doing this > perhaps when when I just close the xterm window instead of exiting > root. Wha'da ya say? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jun 21 11:22:45 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:22:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] root on terminals In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605062101304a322d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605062101304a322d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200506211122.45771.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 21 June 2005 08:30, Peter Hartmann wrote: > This could be a really silly question. But, is logging in as root or > su on the terminals bad. The server has crashed when doing this > perhaps when when I just close the xterm window instead of exiting > root. Wha'da ya say? If the server crashes when you are logged in as root, it doesn't matter much as it has to be rebooted anyway. If the client crashes when you are logged in as root, you *should* be logged off. We have found this to be the case under KDE but when we were running Gnome, if the client crashed, the users session would not be reaped. You have to ask yourself the question, "Is it a good idea to be keying in the root password in front of your users?" Probably not, although there are times when this might be unavoidable. IMO root should be reservered for the console only. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From johnny at msad41.us Tue Jun 21 11:55:49 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:55:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: test childsplay packages (FIXED) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119354949.42b8004568011@www.msad41.us> Quoting Eric Harrison : > I fixed this bug and another slightly more annoying one. > > "yum install childsplay" should now install a nicely working > package. > > > If you installed the first "less than perfect" package, you should > run the following commands to make sure it is removed. One is > for FC3/EL4 the other is for FC4, it is safe to run both commands > if you are not sure which version you have installed. > > rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2.1 > rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 > > > -Eric > Hi Eric....I've given it a quick try on my laptop with 4.2.1 and all is well except for the top left hand progam which is the 'A42H' icon....this crashes the program, at least on this HP laptop....all else seem fine, including the start menu item and sound...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 21 12:14:13 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:14:13 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: test childsplay packages (FIXED) In-Reply-To: <1119354949.42b8004568011@www.msad41.us> References: <1119354949.42b8004568011@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <1119356053.4652.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 07:55 -0400, John T. Leonard wrote: > Quoting Eric Harrison : > > > > I fixed this bug and another slightly more annoying one. > > > > "yum install childsplay" should now install a nicely working > > package. > > > > > > If you installed the first "less than perfect" package, you should > > run the following commands to make sure it is removed. One is > > for FC3/EL4 the other is for FC4, it is safe to run both commands > > if you are not sure which version you have installed. > > > > rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2.1 > > rpm -e --noscripts childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 > > > > > > -Eric > > > Hi Eric....I've given it a quick try on my laptop with 4.2.1 and all is well > except for the top left hand progam which is the 'A42H' icon....this crashes the > program, at least on this HP laptop....all else seem fine, including the start > menu item and sound...John I can confirm this. I had tried _most_ parts except that one a few hours ago and didn't spot it, so thanks for the "heads-up", John. Is it a "feature" that the program takes over the desktop? By that I mean, I wanted to see what resources the program was using, but couldn't ctrl+Fx to another desktop where I had "top" running. When the program is running nothing else can be done on the station. Good to control little kids I guess, but makes it hard to administer the PC until you kill it. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 21 12:36:41 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:36:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] game & educational app CPU resources Message-ID: <1119357401.4652.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> ... on the recent topic of games: Is it a possible for someone to point to a list, or find a way to create a list, of games and educational apps divided into high resource users and low resource users? Or, would that be a nightmare concept to administer? I know that LTS networks lend themselves well to countries with far less computing power than available in USA, so I know that there would be a large and appreciative audience of such a listing. I may not be looking hard enough, but it seems that few gpl apps state the minimum hardware requirements. And, as an example of what I mean, there has been talk on this list before about some great apps, like tuxpaint(?) and/or tuxtype(?) sucking up heaps of CPU or network resources such that very few concurrent sessions are possible. In my small home LTS network my kids have fallen in love with supertux, but just one session uses up to 40% of my CPU and two sessions end up being "veryniced". Another example is that even one session of tuxracer is impossible since it plays like treacle and it's all I can do to kill the program because the mouse jerks across the screen :-(. My trouble is that I have only a PII 450MHz as my LTS. I'm sure there would be hundreds of potential LTS networks in the developing world with hardware as "antiquated" as mine that would happily run OO.o and many productivity apps, but that struggle to run many of the educational and gaming apps. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 21 12:38:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:38:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Gnome question Message-ID: <42B80A33.8040109@inlandlakes.org> Most likely the topic of much debate anyway... Is it possible with current iterations of Gnome (and therefore nautilus) to get the "back,up,forward" type buttons back? I currently use icewm on 4.0.1, but plan to upgrade to 4.4 this summer -- I picture a small revolt when the new nautilus is rolled out. (I use nautilus+icewm for desktops) What do y'all do? :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 21 14:18:09 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal printers In-Reply-To: References: <56826.216.216.171.3.1118776579.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56880.216.216.171.3.1118779042.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56950.216.216.171.3.1118783031.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <50126.192.168.5.27.1119363489.squirrel@192.168.5.27> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> >> Jim, I changed "S" to "U" (it was "S" for USB printers), to no avail. >> modprobe printer causes lsmod to find module "printer", nothing shows up >> in /dev/usb >> julius > > > Umm, when you did the modprobe, was the printer plugged in and turned > on? It should have found your printer and created the device nodes. > > Jim. > Jim, the printer is now on and "modprobe printer" creates both printer module and /dev/usb/lp0. what do I do to get it done automagically? here is the full content of my test lts.conf: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_MODE_1 = 1024x768 X4_MODULE_01 = glx X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" USE_XFS = Y SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell PRINTER_0_DEVICE = "/dev/usb/lp0" PRINTER_0_TYPE = "U" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCuCGh2LhlZOaj6vURAqHgAKCOFKJ35TLdOgs4/6qij4uKWvHc3ACfRfjY LQQFmOTgAWv3Nd4tOIdTju4= =Vyi5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Jun 21 14:37:56 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:37:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Gnome question In-Reply-To: <42B80A33.8040109@inlandlakes.org> References: <42B80A33.8040109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42B82644.1060205@parkrose.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > Is it possible with current iterations of Gnome (and therefore nautilus) > to get the "back,up,forward" type buttons back? I currently use icewm > on 4.0.1, but plan to upgrade to 4.4 this summer -- I picture a small > revolt when the new nautilus is rolled out. (I use nautilus+icewm for > desktops) I think you're referring to "browser" mode, which can be set as a per-user preference. I found it on Ubuntu under "System menu, Preferences, File Management, Behavior tab, Always open in browser windows" in GNOME 2.10. You should be able to run /usr/bin/nautilus-file-management-properties from a terminal to open those prefs from IceWM. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 21 14:54:15 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:54:15 +0800 Subject: Resource hog - was Re: [K12OSN] Re: test childsplay packages (FIXED) In-Reply-To: <1119356053.4652.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119354949.42b8004568011@www.msad41.us> <1119356053.4652.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1119365655.4652.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 20:14 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Is it a "feature" that the program takes over the desktop? By that I > mean, I wanted to see what resources the program was using, but couldn't > ctrl+Fx to another desktop where I had "top" running. When the program > is running nothing else can be done on the station. Good to control > little kids I guess, but makes it hard to administer the PC until you > kill it. Since I couldn't look at top on another desktop I went and looked at top from another terminal (duh!) and saw that this app is using anywhere up to 65% peak and 40% average CPU resources. By contrast, I checked out the resource use of gcompris (which is perhaps becoming less favoured here in k12ltsp?) and saw that it behaves nicely, chewing up no more than 15% peak and 7-8% average of CPU resources. (Again, this is on my PII 450MHz LTS and ties in with the separate thread I started about gaming apps using so much CPU that on my sort of hardware I can only run one session of many of them). So much for their deriding gcompris on their website: (quote) Childsplay is a 'suite' of educational games for young children, like gcompris, but without the overkill of c/c++ and the gnome environ. (endquote). If that's the difference between a badly written app bringing my machine to its knees then give me the overkill of a well-written c/c+ app any day :-/ -- Regards, Gavin Chester From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Tue Jun 21 15:14:33 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:14:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Free Leases Message-ID: Has anyone experienced "no free leases" when dealing with DHCP on the K12LTSP distro? How is the problem solved? Thanks, Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 15:17:41 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:17:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] test childsplay packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/20/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > I don't have access to a k12LTSP 4.2.1 server at the moment. I'd > appreciate if someone can try it out and let me know if it works > or not. Installed and ran just fine on my k12LTSP 4.2.1 server. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jun 21 16:22:38 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No Free Leases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050621162238.88655.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Has anyone experienced "no free leases" when dealing > with DHCP on the > K12LTSP distro? > How is the problem solved? I did some time ago on a Fedora release. Although I never solved it at the time I believe the answer lies in deleting something in the /var directory. I forget exactly where and I have never verified it (fairly vague I know). I don't know whether there is a setting that would correct the cause of the problem. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jun 21 16:22:38 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No Free Leases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050621162238.88655.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Has anyone experienced "no free leases" when dealing > with DHCP on the > K12LTSP distro? > How is the problem solved? I did some time ago on a Fedora release. Although I never solved it at the time I believe the answer lies in deleting something in the /var directory. I forget exactly where and I have never verified it (fairly vague I know). I don't know whether there is a setting that would correct the cause of the problem. Tim From bill at computassist.com Tue Jun 21 16:34:57 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:34:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No Free Leases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050621113457.61fda086@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday, Jun 21 DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > Has anyone experienced "no free leases" when dealing with DHCP on the > K12LTSP distro? > How is the problem solved? Either you are really out of free IP addresses in your DHCP address range, or you are missing a range statement in your /etc/dhcpd.conf file. Maybe you could post the contents of that file to the list so we could see what's going on. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From oh207 at netzero.net Tue Jun 21 17:05:58 2005 From: oh207 at netzero.net (Onkar Harry) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:05:58 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Gnome question Message-ID: <20050621.100648.19388.176729@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> -- Shawn Powers wrote: Most likely the topic of much debate anyway... Is it possible with current iterations of Gnome (and therefore nautilus) to get the "back,up,forward" type buttons back? I currently use icewm on 4.0.1, but plan to upgrade to 4.4 this summer -- I picture a small revolt when the new nautilus is rolled out. (I use nautilus+icewm for desktops) What do y'all do? :) -Shawn What you need is browser mode. Launch gconf-editor in a terminal and go to: apps --> nautilus --> preferences and check "always_use_browser". -onkar From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Jun 21 19:28:38 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:28:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 rpm breakage Message-ID: <001501c57697$6d584d90$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello list,, Just thought Id see if someone else has run into the same scenario as I. After installing v 4.4.0 K12LTSP,which went fine, trying to add more packages from the " ADD/REMOVE appalications/ RPM, any packages that i try to add ,when asked for CD#x it never aaccepts the cd, or any of the CD's,for that matter. I 'm sure someone has run into this problem, Just thought I'd post this to see what anyone else had to say about this matter... Thanks,, Barry Cisna From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Tue Jun 21 19:30:23 2005 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (Dave Sokolowsky) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:30:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Free Leases In-Reply-To: <20050621113457.61fda086@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050621113457.61fda086@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42B86ACF.2040601@lucent.com> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Bill Bardon wrote: > > On Tuesday, Jun 21 DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > >>Has anyone experienced "no free leases" when dealing with DHCP on the >>K12LTSP distro? >>How is the problem solved? > > > Either you are really out of free IP addresses in your DHCP address > range, or you are missing a range statement in your /etc/dhcpd.conf > file. Maybe you could post the contents of that file to the list so we > could see what's going on. > > The dhcpd.leases(5) file may also have some clues. From stegil at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 19:48:34 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:48:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] another ftp client Message-ID: I have been using this alternative ftp-client for awhile and have not had any problems so far . If any one is interested in a client other than GFTP,you might want to try IglooFTP. A prettier gui. They have a windows version and an rpm package that installs in k12ltsp-4.2.1-fc3 nicely. http://www.iglooftp.com/windows/ SetveG From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 21 19:55:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:55:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 rpm breakage In-Reply-To: <001501c57697$6d584d90$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001501c57697$6d584d90$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <42B870BC.5060105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello list,, > > Just thought Id see if someone else has run into the same scenario as I. > > After installing v 4.4.0 K12LTSP,which went fine, trying to add more > packages from the " ADD/REMOVE appalications/ RPM, any packages that i try > to add ,when asked for CD#x it never aaccepts the cd, or any of the CD's,for > that matter. > I 'm sure someone has run into this problem, Just thought I'd post this > to see what anyone else had to say about this matter... > > Thanks,, > > Barry Cisna That feature usually doesn't work in early beta builds. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From this point forward, yum updates are supposed to work. If not, it is a bug that will be fixed. The apt repository will be functional in the near future, hopefully tonight. -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 22 02:26:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:26:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP In-Reply-To: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> References: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Go to http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap and grab the smbldap-installer script. I thas not been tested with CentOS...so I have no idea if it works....but....feel free to dig into the script and substitute the correct packages. Share your results :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 22 02:29:34 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:29:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42B8CD0E.7030303@paasda.org> Dave, Which HAVE it been tested with? K12LTSP 4.2.x? 4.4.0? Ubuntu?? I'm curious since I'm a day or two away from rolling out the new k12ltsp 4.4.0 iso's and starting up a new server. --Huck David Trask wrote: > Go to http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap and grab the > smbldap-installer script. I thas not been tested with CentOS...so I have > no idea if it works....but....feel free to dig into the script and > substitute the correct packages. Share your results :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 22 02:33:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:33:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP In-Reply-To: <42B8CD0E.7030303@paasda.org> References: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> < > <42B8CD0E.7030303@paasda.org> Message-ID: First....go to Matt's site and get the latest beta...it's stable.... http://majen.net works with k12ltsp 4.2, 4.21, FC 3 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Jun 22 02:30:41 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:30:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks Dave and Matt! In-Reply-To: <42B8CD0E.7030303@paasda.org> References: <42B6C90A.4000906@inlandlakes.org> < > <42B8CD0E.7030303@paasda.org> Message-ID: Another successful Linux gathering in Bethel, Maine. A big thank you to David Trask and Matt Oquist for hosting this event. Those not there don't know what they missed! thanks! Shane Stafford Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 05:27:30 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:27:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forget all the stuff I wrote in my previous post. There is an easier solution. You don't need the tightvnc viewer. The real vnc viewer that ships with Fedora/Centos works. Simply invoke the viewer with the -Shared switch. And force hextile encoding for good measure. vncviewer -Shared -PreferedEncoding hextile `hostname`:99 Check the syntax. Just view the man page for vncviewer. You can also edit the current TeacherTool python script with this mod and it should work fine. It's just one line. That line also has the -passwd path as well. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 22 06:05:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Forget all the stuff I wrote in my previous post. There is an easier solution. > You don't need the tightvnc viewer. The real vnc viewer that ships > with Fedora/Centos works. Simply invoke the viewer with the -Shared > switch. And force hextile encoding for good measure. > > vncviewer -Shared -PreferedEncoding hextile `hostname`:99 > > Check the syntax. Just view the man page for vncviewer. > > You can also edit the current TeacherTool python script with this mod > and it should work fine. It's just one line. That line also has the > -passwd path as well. Forget all of this, there is an even easier method! (but a buggy one, it needs a few fixes for an LTSP environment). There is a GNOME front- end that essentially runs "vncviewer -Shared...." Install the "vino" package (yum install vino) and then from the GNOME menu select Desktop -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop. Click on the "Allow others to view your desktop" and uncheck the "Allow others to control your desktop". There are also check boxes for requiring a confirmation and/or a password. (the executable is "vino-preferences" if you want to try it from IceWM) We played around with this while upgrading the Riverdale servers to the 4.4.0 beta this weekend (vino is included in 4.2.1 & 4.2.1EL as well). It does indeed work in a K12LTSP environment. It needs a few minor enhancements to work well, Shahms said he had a good idea on how to improve it for K12LTSP and would work on it. -Eric From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 14:36:49 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? Message-ID: <20050622143649.11843.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Red Hat 8.0 box and several FC3 boxes at my school. The FC3 boxes do NOT have the firewalls on and they do NOT have SELinux running. I can successfully VNC into my RH8 box from outside, but I cannot VNC into my FC3 boxes from the outside. I have the default vncserver that comes with each distro installed on all of my machines. What must I do in order to VNC into my FC3 boxes? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jun 22 16:39:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:39:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <20050622143649.11843.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050622143649.11843.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B99458.2000407@maltzen.net> Can you VNC to the FC3 boxes from inside your firewall? Can you SSH to the FC3 boxes from outside the firewall? Are you tunneling VNC over SSH? Petre richard ingalls wrote: > I have a Red Hat 8.0 box and several FC3 boxes at my > school. The FC3 boxes do NOT have the firewalls on > and they do NOT have SELinux running. I can > successfully VNC into my RH8 box from outside, but I > cannot VNC into my FC3 boxes from the outside. I have > the default vncserver that comes with each distro > installed on all of my machines. > > What must I do in order to VNC into my FC3 boxes? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 22 16:40:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:40:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <20050622143649.11843.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c57749$145e27c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What must I do in order to VNC into my FC3 boxes? Do you have port forwarding setup for all of those machines? Do you have multiple external IP addresses so each box has a unique external IP or are they all shared? If they are shared you will need to configure alternate ports for each server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Wed Jun 22 16:45:32 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:45:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Leases In-Reply-To: <20050622160025.2FEEC73808@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I solved the issue with the "free leases". There was a range missing in the dhcpd.conf. Thanks for the replies. Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 17:37:01 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <000701c57749$145e27c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050622173702.78941.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Do you have port forwarding setup for all of those > machines? Do you > have multiple external IP addresses so each box has > a unique external IP > or are they all shared? If they are shared you will > need to configure > alternate ports for each server. No port forwarding setup (unless the K12LTSP FC3 does it by default). Each machine has it's own static external IP address. Pretty much a default install of K12LTSP 4.2.1. I can get to my RH8 box using TightVNC on a Windows XP machine outside, but not to my FC3 boxes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 18:55:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd Message-ID: <20050622185515.40383.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few questions: 1) How often should I rsync my blacklist? I don't want to abuse the free service that Eric and his school are offering, and I don't want to attempt an rsync every night if updates are only made once a week. But I also would like to keep pretty up-to-date. 2) Should I use the --delete option? Do legitimate sites show up on Eric's list only to be taken off later? If so, then I should use --delete, I think. 3) When I rsync'd the first time, the owner and group for all files and directories showed up on my machine as "23". Is the proper way to solve this to write a script which rsyncs and then changes the ownership to something that makes sense to my machine, or is there a better way? Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 22 19:22:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <20050622173702.78941.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c5775f$b40c9890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > No port forwarding setup (unless the K12LTSP FC3 does > it by default). Each machine has it's own static > external IP address. Pretty much a default install of > K12LTSP 4.2.1. I can get to my RH8 box using TightVNC > on a Windows XP machine outside, but not to my FC3 boxes. I have never used TightVNC before, I use VNC Viewer to connect to my FC3 K12 box. If you want download it from my site http://www.1-cs.com/vnc.exe and just use it with the defaults. You only need to plug in your IP and click OK, this should bring you to a login screen. If that doesn't work, well I don't know what next. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From areitsma at littletonschools.org Wed Jun 22 20:04:13 2005 From: areitsma at littletonschools.org (Adam Reitsma) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:04:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Essentials Message-ID: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> Hello! I am planning for network upgrades for 2005-2006. Right now the network is kind of scattered. A device here, a device there, a device everywhere so I am trying to condense everything into a backbone structure. I have 3 buildings external to the high school that have a fiber run connecting (ST) from each building to the high school. The immediate bottleneck I already know on these is they are using a media converter from transition networks connecting at 10 Base T. With all 3 sites, the current inventory is about 300 machines. Connections I am a little over 200 at the moment as far as IP Addressing. Any recommendations on a typical setup? I am thinking a Fiber/Switch Combo at each remote site that uplinks to the 10/100 switches. Then the 3 fiber connections coming into the high school all uplink to a fiber/switch. From this location, the connections go to a patch panel that relays to another wire room where the rest of the punchdown racks are. I am thinking of another gigabit uplink switch in this rack. Now there already 10/100 switches for the data jacks. Do those need to be replaced with switches with the gigabit uplinks for this new switch or keep them at 100? Anyway, we not done yet, from this new location of the data jacks, I need another gigabit switch for an uplink to the actual server room. This switch will be taking all the ports to the server nics. Finally from here you reach the ISP/Internet/Firewall for the outside. Or is it possible to find Ethernet to Gigabit Fiber converters. In that case it ends up being 6 converters/tranceivers ( still put a giga switch at the remote sites or keep at 100) connect to the main wiring rack, giga switch there, uplink the 100's for the dataports, and add a giga switch for the servers in the server room. There a lot of shorthand there but hopefully people get the gist of how that is setup. I will try and edit and put a diagram as I draw it up. I am really just looking to see where people are putting gigabit for the terminal services and leaving the 10/100's the way they are. Or if they are just upgrading everything. There is a possibility in the next 5 years of a K-8 Facility being put in as well so trying to keep that in mind as well as this is implemented. Any feedback works.... Going to be a fun summer project if the funds are available.... Thanks, Adam Reitsma Littleton School District Littleton, NH -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 6/21/2005 From bill at computassist.com Wed Jun 22 20:18:40 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:18:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd In-Reply-To: <20050622185515.40383.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050622185515.40383.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050622151840.0c8abb9a@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 22 Rob Owens wrote: > 1) How often should I rsync my blacklist? Don't know the answer to this one. Will be interested to find out myself. > 2) Should I use the --delete option? No. The --delete is an rsync option that works on a file-by-file basis, so would do you no good if you're just rsyncing one tar file. > 3) When I rsync'd the first time, the owner and group > for all files and directories showed up on my machine > as "23". Is the proper way to solve this to write a > script which rsyncs and then changes the ownership to > something that makes sense to my machine, or is there > a better way? I have a script that came with the Debian install of squidguard that does pretty much just what you described. It sets the correct owner and permissions, then updates the squidguard db files and restarts squid. Note, it doesn't included the rsync itself. Since it's so small, I can quote the whole thing here: #! /bin/sh # db update script # echo -n "Double checking directory and file permissions..." chown -R proxy.proxy /var/lib/squidguard/db >/dev/null 2>&1 chmod 2770 /var/lib/squidguard/db >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "done!" echo -n "Re-building SquidGuard db files..." su - proxy -c "squidGuard -C all" >/dev/null 2>&1 su - proxy -c "squidGuard -u" >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "done!" if [ -e /etc/init.d/squid ]; then echo -n "Reloading Squid..." /etc/init.d/squid reload >/dev/null 2>&1 echo "done!" fi Make sure if you use this that all paths are correct for your system, and that the owner is supposed to be "proxy". I think that's a Debianism, and K12LTSP uses a different account. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From olle at paalalinn.com Wed Jun 22 20:24:36 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:24:36 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9C904.8060604@paalalinn.com> Eric! I translated gcompris to Estonian for next schoolyear, please, please, please... Freshly from Bruno Coudoin, GCompris author, letter for me: It works with gcc4. compile it with --without-editor if there is a problem. Eric Harrison wrote: > > Childsplay is one of the options I was looking at if I can't get > GCompris to compile with gcc 4.0 (which is included in FC4). > > I'll see if I can package it... > > -Eric From bklinux at verizon.net Wed Jun 22 20:37:35 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:37:35 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <20050622173702.78941.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050622173702.78941.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B9CC0F.6020506@verizon.net> Richard, One thing you might want to check is your firewall settings. VNC works off of port 5900 so you need to add it to the firewall. Applications-->System Settings-->Security Level Add 5900:tcp to the "Other ports" box. when you connect it should give you an x11 session. Hope this helps. Byron richard ingalls wrote: >--- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>Do you have port forwarding setup for all of those >>machines? Do you >>have multiple external IP addresses so each box has >>a unique external IP >>or are they all shared? If they are shared you will >>need to configure >>alternate ports for each server. >> >> > > >No port forwarding setup (unless the K12LTSP FC3 does >it by default). Each machine has it's own static >external IP address. Pretty much a default install of >K12LTSP 4.2.1. I can get to my RH8 box using TightVNC >on a Windows XP machine outside, but not to my FC3 boxes. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 22 20:53:40 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:53:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Essentials In-Reply-To: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> Message-ID: <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> I'd put a 10/100/1000 like this switch (SR24-G2)from Amer.com that has 2 gig ports and 24-10/100 ports in all buildings. So the thin clients plug into the 10/100 ports and the 2 Gig ports provide your backbone linking of the Gig-E to the LTSP server. --Huck Adam Reitsma wrote: > Hello! > > I am planning for network upgrades for 2005-2006. Right now the network > is kind of scattered. A device here, a device there, a device > everywhere so I am trying to condense everything into a backbone structure. > > I have 3 buildings external to the high school that have a fiber run > connecting (ST) from each building to the high school. The immediate > bottleneck I already know on these is they are using a media converter > from transition networks connecting at 10 Base T. > > With all 3 sites, the current inventory is about 300 machines. > Connections I am a little over 200 at the moment as far as IP Addressing. > > Any recommendations on a typical setup? I am thinking a Fiber/Switch > Combo at each remote site that uplinks to the 10/100 switches. Then the > 3 fiber connections coming into the high school all uplink to a > fiber/switch. > From this location, the connections go to a patch panel that relays to > another wire room where the rest of the punchdown racks are. I am > thinking of another gigabit uplink switch in this rack. Now there > already 10/100 switches for the data jacks. Do those need to be > replaced with switches with the gigabit uplinks for this new switch or > keep them at 100? Anyway, we not done yet, from this new location of > the data jacks, I need another gigabit switch for an uplink to the > actual server room. This switch will be taking all the ports to the > server nics. Finally from here you reach the ISP/Internet/Firewall for > the outside. > > Or is it possible to find Ethernet to Gigabit Fiber converters. In that > case it ends up being 6 converters/tranceivers ( still put a giga switch > at the remote sites or keep at 100) connect to the main wiring rack, > giga switch there, uplink the 100's for the dataports, and add a giga > switch for the servers in the server room. > > There a lot of shorthand there but hopefully people get the gist of how > that is setup. I will try and edit and put a diagram as I draw it up. > I am really just looking to see where people are putting gigabit for the > terminal services and leaving the 10/100's the way they are. Or if they > are just upgrading everything. > > There is a possibility in the next 5 years of a K-8 Facility being put > in as well so trying to keep that in mind as well as this is implemented. > > Any feedback works.... Going to be a fun summer project if the funds > are available.... > > Thanks, > > Adam Reitsma > Littleton School District > Littleton, NH > > From profesor at f1computacion.com.ar Wed Jun 22 21:07:50 2005 From: profesor at f1computacion.com.ar (Profesor) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:07:50 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> Message-ID: Hello, my name is Carlos Sisek and I am of the city of Pergamino, Buenos Aires, Argentina. I am beginning to use FC3 and he/she wanted to know if some list of K12LTSP exists in spanish, since my english is not good. >From already thank you Carlos Sisek From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 22 21:16:51 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:16:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9D543.10107@paasda.org> MANY languages are represented here... I'm sure at least 1 or 2 on the list can help you out in spanish. --Huck Profesor wrote: > Hello, my name is Carlos Sisek and I am of the city of Pergamino, Buenos > Aires, Argentina. > I am beginning to use FC3 and he/she wanted to know if some list of K12LTSP > exists in spanish, since my english is not good. >>From already thank you > Carlos Sisek > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bill at computassist.com Wed Jun 22 21:45:16 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:45:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 beta2 report In-Reply-To: <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> Eric, Testing a default install of K12LTSP 4.4 beta2, Scribus would not run when launched from the Gnome menu. I found that it was looking for the littlecms library, so a "yum install littlecms" fixed things right up. You may want to add lcms to the list of default packages. Other than that, things are looking good so far! -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From datakid at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 23:43:14 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:43:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 beta2 report In-Reply-To: <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <24261cd05062216435ec710a5@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, We have a K12OSltsp 3.x install on one of our machines, and this weekend I was planning on updating it somewhat. But as it is a mission critical machine, I will be doing a test install on a dell poweredge 560c (I think)...anyway, I've never installed this OS personally, being more of a debian/kubuntu head myself.... So, some beginners q's: Does the K12OSltsp 4.4 do auto detect of hardware? Apart from version changes, will I need to change many config files? Cheers L. On 6/23/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > Eric, > > Testing a default install of K12LTSP 4.4 beta2, Scribus would not run > when launched from the Gnome menu. I found that it was looking for the > littlecms library, so a "yum install littlecms" fixed things right up. > You may want to add lcms to the list of default packages. > > Other than that, things are looking good so far! > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 22 23:56:44 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:56:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 beta2 report In-Reply-To: <24261cd05062216435ec710a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> <24261cd05062216435ec710a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B9FABC.8040503@paasda.org> It's a brainless install really =) (no offense) Depending on your security requirements .. an 'Install Everything' is quite managable =) I'm more anal and like to pick and choose things... It detected everything on my server but I built my server out knowing that it had Linux support already. as for version changes from 3.x to 4.x...I've heard it's a HUGE step. but I know not from personal experience. --Huck musicman wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a K12OSltsp 3.x install on one of our machines, and this > weekend I was planning on updating it somewhat. But as it is a > mission critical machine, I will be doing a test install on a dell > poweredge 560c (I think)...anyway, I've never installed this OS > personally, being more of a debian/kubuntu head myself.... > > So, some beginners q's: > > Does the K12OSltsp 4.4 do auto detect of hardware? > > Apart from version changes, will I need to change many config files? > > Cheers > > L. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jun 22 23:53:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:53:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make a Mac default to network boot Message-ID: <42B9F9EA.3040602@maltzen.net> How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to hold down the N key during boot? (BTW, I just got this Mac, a castoff from a neighbor. I put a new disk in a spare server, did a network install of K12LTSP 4.2.1, and 30 minutes after I got the Mac it's booting as a Linux terminal! That is so cool! Congrats & high-fives to Eric, Jim K. Chuck, Trask, and everyone else for making the Mac clients possible. I can't wait to show the school.) Petre From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 23 01:17:44 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:17:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 4.4 beta2 report In-Reply-To: <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050622201744.0f6156eb@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 22 Bill Bardon wrote: > when launched from the Gnome menu. I found that it was looking for > the littlecms library, so a "yum install littlecms" fixed things right > up. You may want to add lcms to the list of default packages. Actually, on checking further, what got installed was liblcms1, the lcms library package. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 23 02:50:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Voting for the new background image Message-ID: I created a gallery on Paul Nelson's photoblog: http://oregonphotoblog.org/gallery/K12LTSP_backgrounds Hop on over there and vote for the image(s) that you would like to see as the default K12LTSP background. Do you have an image that you would like included? Email me! -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 23 02:53:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 4.4 beta2 report In-Reply-To: <20050622201744.0f6156eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <42B9C43D.5020607@littletonschools.org> <42B9CFD4.8020805@paasda.org> <20050622164516.5ac8e4f6@localhost.localdomain> <20050622201744.0f6156eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Jun 22 Bill Bardon wrote: >> when launched from the Gnome menu. I found that it was looking for >> the littlecms library, so a "yum install littlecms" fixed things right >> up. You may want to add lcms to the list of default packages. > > Actually, on checking further, what got installed was liblcms1, the lcms > library package. I added the lcms package to the repostory and will include it in the next ISO build. Thanks for catching that! -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 23 02:49:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:49:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How to make a Mac default to network boot Message-ID: <200506230458.j5N4wsX00879@downeast.net> For the record: None of this would be possible without the seminal work Bill Cavalieri did building the new kernel and intrd for ppc.. > How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to hold > down the N key during boot? > > (BTW, I just got this Mac, a castoff from a neighbor. I put a new disk > in a spare server, did a network install of K12LTSP 4.2.1, and 30 > minutes after I got the Mac it's booting as a Linux terminal! That is > so cool! Congrats & high-fives to Eric, Jim K. Chuck, Trask, and > everyone else for making the Mac clients possible. I can't wait to show > the school.) > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 23 03:20:14 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:20:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <42B9F9EA.3040602@maltzen.net> References: <42B9F9EA.3040602@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42BA2A6E.8070601@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to hold > down the N key during boot? I boot from a mac CD, and open the "startup" control panel (in mac os9) and select network. close the control panel, and voila -- boots to network. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 23 05:18:46 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd In-Reply-To: <20050622151840.0c8abb9a@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050622185515.40383.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050622151840.0c8abb9a@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Jun 22 Rob Owens wrote: >> 1) How often should I rsync my blacklist? > > Don't know the answer to this one. Will be interested to find out > myself. Updates usually happen once a day. The K12LTSP squidGuard package is set to automatically sync at 5:00am every day. >> 2) Should I use the --delete option? > No. The --delete is an rsync option that works on a file-by-file basis, > so would do you no good if you're just rsyncing one tar file. No, I you probably don't want to use --delete. The "--delete" option will likley remove any of your custom & local blacklists. Without the "--delete" option, only specific blacklist categories are updated. You can see the list by running this command: rsync squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering >> 3) When I rsync'd the first time, the owner and group >> for all files and directories showed up on my machine >> as "23". Is the proper way to solve this to write a >> script which rsyncs and then changes the ownership to >> something that makes sense to my machine, or is there >> a better way? > > I have a script that came with the Debian install of squidguard that > does pretty much just what you described. It sets the correct owner and > permissions, then updates the squidguard db files and restarts squid. > Note, it doesn't included the rsync itself. > > Since it's so small, I can quote the whole thing here: This script would work if you are rolling your own. The user needs to be changed from "proxy.proxy" to "squid.squid" and the path from "/var/lib/squidguard/db" to "/var/squidGuard/blacklists/". I'll attach the K12LTSP update script. > #! /bin/sh > # db update script > # > > echo -n "Double checking directory and file permissions..." > chown -R proxy.proxy /var/lib/squidguard/db >/dev/null 2>&1 > chmod 2770 /var/lib/squidguard/db >/dev/null 2>&1 > echo "done!" > echo -n "Re-building SquidGuard db files..." > su - proxy -c "squidGuard -C all" >/dev/null 2>&1 > su - proxy -c "squidGuard -u" >/dev/null 2>&1 > echo "done!" > if [ -e /etc/init.d/squid ]; then > echo -n "Reloading Squid..." > /etc/init.d/squid reload >/dev/null 2>&1 > echo "done!" > fi -Eric -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/sh TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists cd $TARGET || exit # only run if squidGuard is active! [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET for DIR in `ls $TARGET` do if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/domains.$TMP mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains fi if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls fi done /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u chown -R squid.squid $TARGET chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:02:01 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050623100201.72980.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Bill and Eric. I'm using a standalone box for my SquidGuard, not the K12LTSP box, so this information is very helpful. Eric, since you're recommending not to use the --delete option, can I assume that you never remove anything from the blacklists? (Nothing gets blacklisted by mistake and then removed the following day?) Thanks again for all the great info. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Bill Bardon wrote: > > > On Wednesday, Jun 22 Rob Owens wrote: > >> 1) How often should I rsync my blacklist? > > > > Don't know the answer to this one. Will be > interested to find out > > myself. > > Updates usually happen once a day. The K12LTSP > squidGuard package is > set to automatically sync at 5:00am every day. > > >> 2) Should I use the --delete option? > > No. The --delete is an rsync option that works on > a file-by-file basis, > > so would do you no good if you're just rsyncing > one tar file. > > No, I you probably don't want to use --delete. The > "--delete" option > will likley remove any of your custom & local > blacklists. Without > the "--delete" option, only specific blacklist > categories are > updated. You can see the list by running this > command: > > rsync squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering > > > >> 3) When I rsync'd the first time, the owner and > group > >> for all files and directories showed up on my > machine > >> as "23". Is the proper way to solve this to > write a > >> script which rsyncs and then changes the > ownership to > >> something that makes sense to my machine, or is > there > >> a better way? > > > > I have a script that came with the Debian install > of squidguard that > > does pretty much just what you described. It sets > the correct owner and > > permissions, then updates the squidguard db files > and restarts squid. > > Note, it doesn't included the rsync itself. > > > > Since it's so small, I can quote the whole thing > here: > > This script would work if you are rolling your own. > The user needs > to be changed from "proxy.proxy" to "squid.squid" > and the path > from "/var/lib/squidguard/db" to > "/var/squidGuard/blacklists/". > > I'll attach the K12LTSP update script. > > > #! /bin/sh > > # db update script > > # > > > > echo -n "Double checking directory and file > permissions..." > > chown -R proxy.proxy /var/lib/squidguard/db > >/dev/null 2>&1 > > chmod 2770 /var/lib/squidguard/db >/dev/null 2>&1 > > echo "done!" > > echo -n "Re-building SquidGuard db files..." > > su - proxy -c "squidGuard -C all" >/dev/null 2>&1 > > su - proxy -c "squidGuard -u" >/dev/null 2>&1 > > echo "done!" > > if [ -e /etc/init.d/squid ]; then > > echo -n "Reloading Squid..." > > /etc/init.d/squid reload >/dev/null 2>&1 > > echo "done!" > > fi > > > -Eric> #!/bin/sh > > TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists > > cd $TARGET || exit > > # only run if squidGuard is active! > [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering > $TARGET > > for DIR in `ls $TARGET` > do > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains > $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domains.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains > fi > if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | > sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls > fi > done > > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > -C all > # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > -u > > chown -R squid.squid $TARGET > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > > sleep 5s > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:09:43 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] which xserver to use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050623100943.79929.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who offered advice. In the end, simply using XF86_3DLabs worked for me (almost--but I'll get to that in a minute). I had tried using XF_3DLabs before, but I had made another mistake in my configuration that prevented it from working the first time. For the record, X_MODULE_01 = agpgart.o gave me a failure (could not find module, or something like that), but X_MODULE_01 = agpgart (no ".o" at the end) loaded fine. It turns out, as Jim suggested, that I didn't need to specify it anyway. The only problem I've encountered so far with my setup is that the playlist for xmms is unreadable. It displays a bunch of "computer zeros" as I like to call them. Does anybody know what could cause this? -Rob --- Shawn Powers wrote: > > On Jun 17, 2005, at 6:04 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > The question now is, how to I get these settings > when > > the machine acts as a thin client? GLoria Synery > > doesn't seem to be listed as an option for > x-servers. > > Can I find it somewhere and copy it over the the > ltsp > > tree? > > Ok, here's a snippet from bugzilla.redhat.com: (my > comments are below) > > > Red Hat Hardware Catalog > > Certification ? Elsa GLoria Synergy > > > Detail 1: > Ease of Install: 4 > Status: Compatible > Hardware Id: 3853 > Detail Notes: XFree86 3.3.6 Server: > XF86_3dlabs
> XFree86 4.0.3-5 Driver: glint
> Card Chipset: 3D Labs Permedia 2 > Component Class: 2D Video Adapter > Component Test: Must complete an installation, > either graphical or text. > Must pass the rhr-core tests. > Must pass the rhr-dd_x test @ each available color > depth. > Component Notes: 24 bpp testing is not required if > 32 bpp is available. > 3D is not tested at this time. > Created On: 2001-11-21 13:27:18-05 > Modified On: 2001-11-21 13:27:18-05 > > (from > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/hwcert/show.cgi?id=153497) > > Now the part I'm not sure about is the available > drivers in LTSP. It > looks like you either want the "glint" driver for > using XFree86 4.x, > or "XF86_3dlabs" for XFree86 3.x driver. > > I think LTSP 4.1 (K12LTSP 4.2) uses X.org instead of > XFree86, so that > might throw another monkey wrench into the mix. > Also, I'm not sure > if either of the above mentioned drivers are > available in LTSP, AND I > don't know how to add them if they are not. > > Hopefully someone can pipe in and give a little more > technical > guidance -- but I think that gets to the bottom of > what kind of card > you have... > > Hope this has helped some... > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 10:13:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <20050622173702.78941.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050623101342.43318.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Richard, Is there anything listed in /etc/hosts.deny on the FC3 box? (such as ALL: ALL, meaning deny all services to all hosts). If so, then you need to make sure you edit /etc/hosts.allow to allow vnc. If /etc/hosts.deny is empty, then all services are allowed and /etc/hosts.allow doesn't do anything. -Rob --- richard ingalls wrote: > --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Do you have port forwarding setup for all of those > > machines? Do you > > have multiple external IP addresses so each box > has > > a unique external IP > > or are they all shared? If they are shared you > will > > need to configure > > alternate ports for each server. > > > No port forwarding setup (unless the K12LTSP FC3 > does > it by default). Each machine has it's own static > external IP address. Pretty much a default install > of > K12LTSP 4.2.1. I can get to my RH8 box using > TightVNC > on a Windows XP machine outside, but not to my FC3 > boxes. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 12:13:08 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:13:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: [lugmaster] FLOSS in Education Conference 2005 In-Reply-To: <20050623115549.GB18738@streetend.force9.co.uk> References: <20050623115549.GB18738@streetend.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050623051379be523f@mail.gmail.com> Just incase anyone is interested... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tony Whitmore Date: 23-Jun-2005 12:55 Subject: [lugmaster] FLOSS in Education Conference 2005 To: lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk Please forward this to your list members as appropriate: This year's FLOSS in Education (FLOSSIE) conference is being held in Bolton on the 14th and 15th July. Tickets are just ?35 for individuals and it should be an interesting conference judging by the speakers. Interest in FLOSS in schools has increased since the Becta TCO report last month. For more details, please see: http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/conference200507.html Thanks, Tony Whitmore _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 23 12:31:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:31:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd In-Reply-To: <20050623100201.72980.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050623100201.72980.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1119529878.19598.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 05:02, Rob Owens wrote: > Eric, since you're recommending not to use the > --delete option, can I assume that you never remove > anything from the blacklists? (Nothing gets > blacklisted by mistake and then removed the following > day?) Rsync's --delete option works at the whole-file level. Data within a file can be deleted at the source and the target will shrink to match without using --delete. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 13:54:34 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to VNC into my FC3 machines from outside? In-Reply-To: <42B9CC0F.6020506@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20050623135435.55841.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> --- Byron Kapali wrote: > Richard, > One thing you might want to check is your firewall > settings. VNC works > off of port 5900 so you need to add it to the > firewall. > > Applications-->System Settings-->Security Level > Add 5900:tcp to the "Other ports" box. > > when you connect it should give you an x11 session. > Hope this helps. I have the firewalls disabled on all of these machines. The machine that I am able to successfully VNC into (RedHat 8.0) is one of the few linux boxes that I have with a firewall turned ON. I can VNC into that one machine and from it, I can VNC into the others. BUT I want to directly VNC into all of my machines from the outside. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 13:57:48 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing blacklists from mesd In-Reply-To: <1119529878.19598.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050623135748.92617.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks. This seems obvious now, but thanks for setting me straight. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 05:02, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Eric, since you're recommending not to use the > > --delete option, can I assume that you never > remove > > anything from the blacklists? (Nothing gets > > blacklisted by mistake and then removed the > following > > day?) > > Rsync's --delete option works at the whole-file > level. Data > within a file can be deleted at the source and the > target > will shrink to match without using --delete. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Jun 23 14:32:49 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:32:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot Message-ID: <8D638C3E-B711-46D9-B4CA-8D58B4BBCFEF@chatham.k12.nc.us> Petre wrote: > How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to > hold down the N key during boot? Petre, Check out this site. Scroll down to the bit on Open Firmware Commands. http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 23 14:56:08 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:56:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is anyone using Centre? Message-ID: <1119538568.1801.2.camel@techstation> Colleagues- I'm always looking for ways to save my district money, and of course OSS often allows that. One of our big expenses is our student management system. I discovered an OSS student management system today called Centre (http://www.miller-group.net) Have any of you used or thoroughly explored this package? If so, how did it stack up? In my 30 minutes of browsing it looks quite impressive. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Thu Jun 23 15:05:05 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:05:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is anyone using Centre? In-Reply-To: <1119538568.1801.2.camel@techstation> References: <1119538568.1801.2.camel@techstation> Message-ID: <200506230805.05905.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> I've referred a few customers to Centre, and have chatted with Jack Miller; give him a call, and he'll point you to some referrence accounts; not sure about OR, but I know they have some installs in the state of WA. Curt On Thursday 23 June 2005 07:56, Quentin Hartman wrote: > Colleagues- > I'm always looking for ways to save my district money, and of course > OSS often allows that. One of our big expenses is our student management > system. I discovered an OSS student management system today called > Centre (http://www.miller-group.net) Have any of you used or thoroughly > explored this package? If so, how did it stack up? In my 30 minutes of > browsing it looks quite impressive. From frank at oobschools.org Thu Jun 23 19:15:57 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:15:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <8D638C3E-B711-46D9-B4CA-8D58B4BBCFEF@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: On 6/23/05 10:32 AM, "Jimmy Schwankl" wrote: > Petre wrote: > >> How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to >> hold down the N key during boot? > > Petre, > > Check out this site. Scroll down to the bit on Open Firmware Commands. > > http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html > > Peace, > Jimmy > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I tried it on a grape tray loader on Monday at NELS (nelinux.net)... For the out-of-the-box install of K12LTSP 4.2.1 I just executed the following line in open firmware. The iMac boots to the LTSP server on boot every time. setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 I remember there's something funny about the mini's we tried.... You might have to look at dome documentation on it :-( but it's something like Boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot I don't think that sets it tho. Alternatively if you have OSX running on the mac, you can just set it in the System Prefs to boot from network. To return to the local OS, you hold the "D" key down on startup. -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu Jun 23 19:31:18 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:31:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] usb HP printer guru's? Message-ID: <000d01c5782a$215957b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List,, Am going to attempt to connect a usb/ HP 7760 photosmart printer to a thin client. All we have used to this point are networked HP 4050 printers which are a peice of cake to setup.. Could someone give this poor soul a lts.config "howto"/example , on what modules to add to [wsxxx] to get this printer to work on the thin client to help cutdown on the "frustration factor" ,,in getting this printer to actually work,, Ive naturally got the thin client already added to the dhcp.conf file with the correct MAC address,and am goign to try and get this printer to work,,on the client tommorow. We are using v 4.2.0 K12LTSP on our servers,,, I've read several "howtos" on variuos printer configs,,,but thought id ask someone who has done this "realtime" that it actually works,,, Thanks for any input. Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 23 19:34:31 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:34:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt error..(sorry can't find in archives although I know it's been discussed) Message-ID: <42BB0EC7.9000003@paasda.org> Checking GPG signatures... Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/cvs_1.11.17-2.2.legacy_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/epiphany_1.2.10-0.2.3.legacy_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla_37%3a1.7.7-1.2.2.legacy_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nss_37%3a1.7.7-1.2.2.legacy_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nspr_37%3a1.7.7-1.2.2.legacy_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-i18n_1.1.3-11.4.0.fc2_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_1.1.3-11.4.0.fc2_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-libs_1.1.3-11.4.0.fc2_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#731002fa) Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_1.190-1_noarch.rpm: md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#11f63c51) E: Error(s) while checking package signatures: 0 unsigned package(s) 9 package(s) with unknown signatures 0 package(s) with illegal/corrupted signatures how to get the right keys? From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 23 19:34:06 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:34:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BB0EAE.5050405@maltzen.net> Since I have to return this Mac at the end of the summer :-( what is the Open Firmware command to set it back to booting from its local hard drive? Also, trying Frank's idea, setting the net boot in OS X, sounds interesting, but won't that take longer to boot, since the system has to load at least a portion of OS X to figure out it should load a different OS from the netowrk? Petre Frank Lee wrote: > On 6/23/05 10:32 AM, "Jimmy Schwankl" wrote: > > >>Petre wrote: >> >> >>>How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to >>>hold down the N key during boot? >> >>Petre, >> >>Check out this site. Scroll down to the bit on Open Firmware Commands. >> >>http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html >> >>Peace, >>Jimmy >> >>**This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** >>*****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to >>the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring >>and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > I tried it on a grape tray loader on Monday at NELS (nelinux.net)... For the > out-of-the-box install of K12LTSP 4.2.1 I just executed the following line > in open firmware. The iMac boots to the LTSP server on boot every time. > > setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 > > I remember there's something funny about the mini's we tried.... You might > have to look at dome documentation on it :-( but it's something like > > Boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot > > I don't think that sets it tho. > > Alternatively if you have OSX running on the mac, you can just set it in the > System Prefs to boot from network. To return to the local OS, you hold the > "D" key down on startup. > > -F > From ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us Thu Jun 23 20:30:11 2005 From: ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us (Ann Butler) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:30:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Human Resource programs Message-ID: <16D5F4F7D426584F82BA95DA21291F5B065A2D@whexch01.westernheights.k12.ok.us> Does anyone know of an Open Source product for Human Resources for k12 -schools ?? We have an archaic program now and want to make the switch completely to Linux. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 15:30 -0500, Ann Butler wrote: > Does anyone know of an Open Source product for Human Resources for k12 > -schools ?? > We have an archaic program now and want to make the switch completely > to Linux. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 23 22:28:33 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:28:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hey folks, I just uploaded the third beta build of K12LTSP 4.4.0. Lots of little bug fixing. Gcompris is working once again. Missing dependencies for inkscape, scribus, and celestia were fixed. Here is my current TODO list: * fix apt, see bugzilla #161042 * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? * finalize default background, new GDM theme? * test, test, test The latest ISOs are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From datakid at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 22:46:40 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:46:40 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <24261cd05062315465580fe60@mail.gmail.com> ok, so I just downloaded beta 2 two nights ago for use tomorrow, and it blew half my limit for the next month.... I presume/am asking that I can still use the beta 2 discs to install, and then a simple "yum update" will bring me up to speed? Cheers L. On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Hey folks, > > I just uploaded the third beta build of K12LTSP 4.4.0. > > Lots of little bug fixing. Gcompris is working once again. Missing > dependencies for inkscape, scribus, and celestia were fixed. > > Here is my current TODO list: > > * fix apt, see bugzilla #161042 > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats > * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? > * finalize default background, new GDM theme? > * test, test, test > > The latest ISOs are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 24 01:29:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <24261cd05062315465580fe60@mail.gmail.com> References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <24261cd05062315465580fe60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, musicman wrote: > ok, so I just downloaded beta 2 two nights ago for use tomorrow, and > it blew half my limit for the next month.... > > I presume/am asking that I can still use the beta 2 discs to install, > and then a simple "yum update" will bring me up to speed? Correct. In addition to the "yum update", you should also double-check that the previously missing dependancies are accounted for: yum install lcms glibmm24 gtkglext -Eric > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> Hey folks, >> >> I just uploaded the third beta build of K12LTSP 4.4.0. >> >> Lots of little bug fixing. Gcompris is working once again. Missing >> dependencies for inkscape, scribus, and celestia were fixed. >> >> Here is my current TODO list: >> >> * fix apt, see bugzilla #161042 >> * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats >> * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? >> * finalize default background, new GDM theme? >> * test, test, test >> >> The latest ISOs are available at: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . >> >> >> >> -Eric >> From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Jun 24 03:47:59 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:47:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <468AD30F.33CD3484.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Just a quick note with kudos for the great work you've done along with all those that have contributed to the project. This latest version blows away anything that could ever come out of Seattle.... thank you norbert Eric Harrison wrote: > >Hey folks, > >I just uploaded the third beta build of K12LTSP 4.4.0. > >Lots of little bug fixing. Gcompris is working once again. Missing >dependencies for inkscape, scribus, and celestia were fixed. > >Here is my current TODO list: > > * fix apt, see bugzilla #161042 > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats > * create a wrapper package for acroread 7? > * finalize default background, new GDM theme? > * test, test, test > >The latest ISOs are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > > >-Eric > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 24 06:47:06 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > Here is my current TODO list: > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats This one has been fixed. It is probably not fixed the *RIGHT* way, but it is fixed. The old trick of setting the environment variable OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 no longer does its magic. I created patches to the OOo configuration files and apply them in the K12LTSP initialization scripts (part of the ltsp_config package). Yuck. If someone comes up with a better way, I'd be most grateful! -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jun 24 12:23:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:23:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot Message-ID: <200506241433.j5OEX1g19438@downeast.net> no the change actually happens in openfirmware.actuallly at boot you can type cmd-option-ohhell another senior moment...hold the option key down at startup..chuck > Since I have to return this Mac at the end of the summer :-( what is the Open Firmware > command to set it back to booting from its local hard drive? Also, trying Frank's idea, > setting the net boot in OS X, sounds interesting, but won't that take longer to boot, > since the system has to load at least a portion of OS X to figure out it should load a > different OS from the netowrk? > > Petre > > Frank Lee wrote: > > On 6/23/05 10:32 AM, "Jimmy Schwankl" wrote: > > > > > >>Petre wrote: > >> > >> > >>>How do I make a Mac default to network boot, so I don't have to > >>>hold down the N key during boot? > >> > >>Petre, > >> > >>Check out this site. Scroll down to the bit on Open Firmware Commands. > >> > >>http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html > >> > >>Peace, > >>Jimmy > >> > >>**This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > >>*****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > >>the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > >>and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > I tried it on a grape tray loader on Monday at NELS (nelinux.net)... For the > > out-of-the-box install of K12LTSP 4.2.1 I just executed the following line > > in open firmware. The iMac boots to the LTSP server on boot every time. > > > > setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 > > > > I remember there's something funny about the mini's we tried.... You might > > have to look at dome documentation on it :-( but it's something like > > > > Boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot > > > > I don't think that sets it tho. > > > > Alternatively if you have OSX running on the mac, you can just set it in the > > System Prefs to boot from network. To return to the local OS, you hold the > > "D" key down on startup. > > > > -F > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From datakid at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 13:01:46 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:01:46 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <24261cd050624060150b09865@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I tried getting disc 1 beta 3, and I'm having trouble...all I can get is 365ishMB and the download manger say's it's finished....any ideas? Cheers L. On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Here is my current TODO list: > > > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats > > > This one has been fixed. It is probably not fixed the *RIGHT* > way, but it is fixed. > > The old trick of setting the environment variable OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > no longer does its magic. I created patches to the OOo configuration > files and apply them in the K12LTSP initialization scripts (part > of the ltsp_config package). Yuck. > > If someone comes up with a better way, I'd be most grateful! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 24 14:49:22 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <200506241433.j5OEX1g19438@downeast.net> References: <200506241433.j5OEX1g19438@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1849.24.11.47.71.1119624562.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> cliebow at downeast.net said: > type cmd-option-ohhell I'm out of town on borrowed internet access (and here I am in the K12OSN list... pathetic...) but I think it's "CMD-OPT-O-F" -- that should get the open firmware prompt, where a person could try the commandline voodoo. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 24 14:55:32 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] usb HP printer guru's? In-Reply-To: <000d01c5782a$215957b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000d01c5782a$215957b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <1864.24.11.47.71.1119624932.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Barry R Cisna said: > Ive naturally got the thin client already added to the dhcp.conf file > with the correct MAC address,and am goign to try and get this printer to > work,,on the client tommorow. Yep, that's the first step. Make sure to give it a static IP address. Then, in the lts.conf file, you set up an entry like the example in there shows for USB printers. Finally, when the thin client is booted, run something like redhat-config-printer to install the printer. I don't remember what the connection type is called in redhat-config-printer, but the thin client sets up a port 9100 server (on the IP you assigned the thin client in dhcp) in which to talk to the printer. It's usually called "HP Jetdirect" or "Direct to Socket" or some such thing. Anyway, once that's setup, you select the printer driver for the printer, and voila -- you should have a working printer. (NOTE: You have to restart the thin client after making the changes in dhcp and lts.conf) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 24 16:36:57 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <1849.24.11.47.71.1119624562.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <200506241433.j5OEX1g19438@downeast.net> <1849.24.11.47.71.1119624562.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42BC36A9.6000604@maltzen.net> Yeah, I've got the CMD-OPT-O-F part (Chuck gave that to me the other night, and I wrote it down). And the page that Jimmy pointed me to has the syntax for setting it to default to booting from the network: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.1.254 I haven't tried it yet because I need to know the syntax for setting the default back to booting from the hard drive. Does anyone know that? Also, is there a way to specify the netboot with the above, but without specifying the server's address? I should think so since holding down the N key during boot works and I don't tell it the server address for that. I just want it to automatically do a broadcast request. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > cliebow at downeast.net said: > >>type cmd-option-ohhell > > > I'm out of town on borrowed internet access (and here I am in the K12OSN > list... pathetic...) but I think it's "CMD-OPT-O-F" -- that should get the > open firmware prompt, where a person could try the commandline voodoo. > > -Shawn > From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Fri Jun 24 17:06:01 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:06:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME port forward problem Message-ID: <16qy6xk6i2bjlca.240620051306@mail> I just returned from the LINUX symposium (GREAT INFO) with a Moodle server and a SME firewall. I've installed the firewall and moodle server, but I'm unable to reach the moodle box through the fire wall. Details listed below: SME Firewall: 169.244.106.253 = connection to the Internet 192.168.0.1 = DHCP & DNS server Port forward rule: Protocal=TCP Source Port=2727 Destination Host IP Address=192.168.0.3 Destination Port=80 Moodle box: 192.168.0.3 I've rebooted the SME Firewall after making port forwarding rules. When I type http://169.244.106.253 (I get "website under construction") so I know I can talk to the SME box over the Internet. When I type http://169.244.106.253:2727 or http://169.244.106.253:2727/moodle into the URL firefox times out. I can reach Moodle from inside the firewall by typing http://192.168.0.3/moodle. Thanks for any help. Larry From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Jun 24 17:29:35 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (brcisna at frontiernet.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:29:35 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: usb HP local printer Message-ID: <20050624172935.cc7wxr40808so8sc@webmail.frontiernet.net> hawn, Thanks for the heads up, I was trying to add the printer as a "locally connected" printer,,, DUH ! As soon as I went with the "QUE TYPE" HP NetworkDirect--added it to the IP address of the client--,that is what i was missing. In short order i was spitting out a good test page! All is well for this teacher now! Thanks for the comeback,,, Barry Hello List,, Wondering if anyone could give me an URL to look at to setup a local usb HP printer on thin client? I posted this earlier, and am having no joy getting this one to work:(. Here is my lts.conf file for the thin client: [ws006] MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer PRINTER_0_DEVICE= /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S >> I have changed the PRINTER_0_TYPE = from "S" to "U" to "P" & rebooted thin client each time, as well as restarting CUPS in the service manager each time. I've also commented out the "usb-ohci" as it does not seem to make any diff at boot time,, looking at the bootup screen. is there anyway to troubleshoot this? I m sure there is some command i should be able to do on the client to see if it actually seeing the printer being attached. When the client boots I do see printer entry ,,such as " printer.c at usblp0 etc", so the printer is being recognized to this particular client, or so it seems. I m guessing i should be able to do a modprobe or something along these lines to see if the printer is actually attached but I dont know what it is?:(.. This is a HP photosmart 7760. I have tried the actual driver for it,,as well as generic CUPS driver. We are using v 4.2.1 K12LTSP. Thanks, Barry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 24 17:52:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:52:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] test Adobe Reader 7.0 packages for 4.4.0 Message-ID: <42BC4874.6010601@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I added test Adobe 7.0 packages to the K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta repository. First, update to the latest packages: yum upgrade Second, install the Acrobat packages: /usr/sbin/get.acroread Once you restart your browser, links to PDFs should open in Adobe Reader 7.0. When we're happy this works well, I can add it to the K12LTSP 4.2.x repositories. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought maybe you were trying to do this diskless, in which case you'd have to go with the open firmware option. To set it back to local booting, it depends on what OS is on the HD. If OS 9, you could zap the PRAM by powering on and holding down the Command + Option+P+R and let chime a few times. That should let it startup from the HD. Once you're in OS 9 you can set the default boot device from within the Startup Disk Control Panel. If you have OS X installed, you can just hold down the Option key after powering on and you should be presented with a list of possible startup devices to choose from.Once you're in OS X you can set the default boot device from within System Prefs. Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2 + 2 = 5 ( for extremely large values of 2) **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 18:19:47 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] recommend a sound card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050624181947.42174.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the suggestions, all who responded. I ended up buying a few of these (see below) from logicalplus.com. They were cheap and shipped quickly. I tested one out and it sounds good. Best of all, it was automatically recognized and configured. Thanks. -Rob --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Ensoniq Creative SoundBlaster AudioPCI 128 > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 24 18:45:36 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME port forward problem In-Reply-To: <16qy6xk6i2bjlca.240620051306@mail> References: <16qy6xk6i2bjlca.240620051306@mail> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, June 24, 2005 at 1:06 PM +0000 wrote: >I just returned from the LINUX symposium (GREAT INFO) with a Moodle >server and a SME firewall. I've installed the firewall and moodle >server, but I'm unable to reach the moodle box through the fire wall. >Details listed below: > >SME Firewall: 169.244.106.253 = connection to the Internet > 192.168.0.1 = DHCP & DNS server > > Port forward rule: Protocal=TCP > Source Port=2727 > Destination Host IP Address=192.168.0.3 > Destination Port=80 > >Moodle box: 192.168.0.3 > >I've rebooted the SME Firewall after making port forwarding rules. When >I type http://169.244.106.253 (I get "website under construction") so I >know I can talk to the SME box over the Internet. When I type >http://169.244.106.253:2727 or http://169.244.106.253:2727/moodle into >the URL firefox times out. > >I can reach Moodle from inside the firewall by typing >http://192.168.0.3/moodle. > >Thanks for any help. > >Larry > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Have you made an alias through MSLN for the address 169.244.106.253:2727 so that it will direct itself to your firewall? It will also take a little while for all the DNS servers in the "real world" to update. You get an "under construction" message with the 169.244.106.253 address because that is the built in webpage on the SME box and of course you have not done anything with that. Hope this helps Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Jun 24 21:51:46 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:51:46 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] sound again Message-ID: <200506242152.j5OLqigr023737@dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz> I hope I get a reply this time. How come some users get sound and others don't even on the same terminal? Are there some settings I can check? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From datakid at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 23:04:09 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:04:09 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] sound again In-Reply-To: <200506242152.j5OLqigr023737@dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz> References: <200506242152.j5OLqigr023737@dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <24261cd050624160463942eaf@mail.gmail.com> I'm no expert, but /etc/groups is a good place to start...it's just a text file of the groups and which people bwlong to them....there should be one for sound... L. On 6/25/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > I hope I get a reply this time. > > > > How come some users get sound and others don't even on the same terminal? > > Are there some settings I can check? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 24 22:37:21 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:37:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet Message-ID: <200506242308.j5ON8WN1019266@mx1.redhat.com> Hello all, I am testing out CensorNet. I am looking for a web filter that can be managed by someone who does not know anything about Linux or web filtering. I am well aware of SquidGuard and DG, I happen to use SquidGuard at my location. I am looking into CensorNet. I have it installed in a sandbox network. SO far I really like the web based GUI interface, and the fact that you can assign different users login to administrate the server. My network setup up looks something like this. On the Private Part if have: Address: 192.168.1.1 Netmask: 255.255.255.0 Public: Address: 10.230.24.230 Netmask: 255.255.248.0 (I am testing this with-in my own network, which already has a router running DHCP, but also have static addresses available) DNS -Gateway DNS- 192.215.x.x Gateway - 192.168.1.1 The problem is on the client side, I am not connecting to the Internet, I am getting a DHCP address from the CensorNet server, but that's all. Also, I will be using LDAP, I see that this can import the user list from a active directory server, will it do the same for an LDAP server? TIA --mark From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 01:19:53 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet In-Reply-To: <200506242308.j5ON8WN1019266@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050625011953.83909.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, I'd suggest you check the following: 1) If your router and CensorNet are each running DHCP servers, turn off DHCP on one of them. 2) Looks like you've got the same IP assigned to CensorNet's private interface and your router's gateway. Change the IP on Censornet to something else on the same subnet. 3) By default, CensorNet will block web access from any computer until that computer has been allowed access through CensorNet's web interface. Configure this under the "workstations" tab ("manage workstations" and "access control"). 4) Double-check your internet proxy server settings on the client computer. If you cannot ping an outside web site, check points 1 & 2 above. If you CAN ping other sites, then check points 3 & 4. I haven't yet tried importing users from LDAP (that's a project for later this summer), so I'm afraid I can't answer that question for you. By the way, CensorNet's community forum at http://forum.censornet.com/ is a great resource for troubleshooting CensorNet issues. :) HTH, David __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From datakid at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 01:37:10 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:37:10 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <24261cd050624060150b09865@mail.gmail.com> References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <24261cd050624060150b09865@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24261cd050624183721145fc3@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I eventually got it down, and burnt it off. Now it isn't recognised by the box I'm testing it on, which is the Dell PowerEdge SC1420. Has anyone ever had any success or failure on this machine before? Or should I be trying again on the beta 3 disc 1? Cheers... On 6/24/05, musicman wrote: > Hey, I tried getting disc 1 beta 3, and I'm having trouble...all I can > get is 365ishMB and the download manger say's it's finished....any > ideas? > > Cheers > > L. > > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > Here is my current TODO list: > > > > > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats > > > > > > This one has been fixed. It is probably not fixed the *RIGHT* > > way, but it is fixed. > > > > The old trick of setting the environment variable OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > > no longer does its magic. I created patches to the OOo configuration > > files and apply them in the K12LTSP initialization scripts (part > > of the ltsp_config package). Yuck. > > > > If someone comes up with a better way, I'd be most grateful! > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 25 02:45:49 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2046.24.11.47.71.1119667549.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Jimmy Schwankl said: > Once you're in OS 9 you can set the default > boot device from within the Startup Disk Control Panel. This is really a simple way to do it too. It doesn't matter if you even have a hard drive in, booting to an OS9 install CD allows you to do it too. There is probably a way to set it manually in openfirmware, but booting to a CD doesn't take too long. You can use the same method to set it back to booting to the hard drive too, if you dont' want to zap the PRAM -- just boot from an installer CD again (holding C on startup) and use the startup control panel to pick the hard drive. (The holding down option key trick is nice too, although it doesn't set a default. It doesnt' matter what OS you have installed, or even if you have a hard drive, it just matters if the computer's firmware supports it.) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Jun 25 03:52:57 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:52:57 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] reposted - game & educational app CPU resources Message-ID: <1119671578.4652.197.camel@localhost.localdomain> ... on the recent topic of games: Is it a possible for someone to point to a list, or find a way to create a list, of games and educational apps divided into high resource users and low resource users? Or, would that be a nightmare concept to administer? I know that LTS networks lend themselves well to countries with far less computing power than available in USA, so I know that there would be a large and appreciative audience of such a listing. I may not be looking hard enough, but it seems that few gpl apps state the minimum hardware requirements. And, as an example of what I mean, there has been talk on this list before about some great apps, like tuxpaint(?) and/or tuxtype(?) sucking up heaps of CPU or network resources such that very few concurrent sessions are possible. In my small home LTS network my kids have fallen in love with supertux, but just one session uses up to 40% of my CPU and two sessions end up being "veryniced". Another example is that even one session of tuxracer is impossible since it plays like treacle and it's all I can do to kill the program because the mouse jerks across the screen :-(. My trouble is that I have only a PII 450MHz as my LTS. I'm sure there would be hundreds of potential LTS networks in the developing world with hardware as "antiquated" as mine that would happily run OO.o and many productivity apps, but that struggle to run many of the educational and gaming apps. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Jun 25 08:42:13 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:42:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet In-Reply-To: <20050625011953.83909.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050625011953.83909.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42BD18E5.1030508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Are you going to be using Samba3/LDAP or just LDAP ?? I the answer is Samba3/LDAP then you in luck at Censornet authenticates against Samba3 without a problem and it should also import the users automagically. If it's LDAP alone you might be out of luck as I seem to remember that LDAP function was removed a few versions ago. It might be worth asking on the censornet forum. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Jun 25 14:19:15 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:19:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet References: <20050625011953.83909.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42BD18E5.1030508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001101c57990$de10ed70$6501a8c0@digital1> As a matter of fact, I am going to be using SAMBA-LDAP as my authentication server. can you post an example of the setup. Thanks --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chivers" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet > Are you going to be using Samba3/LDAP or just LDAP ?? > > I the answer is Samba3/LDAP then you in luck at Censornet authenticates > against Samba3 without a problem and it should also import the users > automagically. > > If it's LDAP alone you might be out of luck as I seem to remember that > LDAP function was removed a few versions ago. It might be worth asking on > the censornet forum. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From datakid at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 00:07:18 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:07:18 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] dual boot Message-ID: <24261cd05062517076cb1fc8e@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone ever installed the ltsp server dual boot? since I couldn't install it yesterday (bad cd - not sure if it was teh download or the burning software), I installed debian sarge for my other workmates, but I still want to install k12ltsp on the same machine so I can test it.... is it just a matter of putting in the first disk, and giving it it's own partition? cheers L. From datakid at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 02:24:34 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:24:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <24261cd050624183721145fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <42BB3791.5040109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <24261cd050624060150b09865@mail.gmail.com> <24261cd050624183721145fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24261cd050625192460f8c8c5@mail.gmail.com> I have also just discovered that fedora core's initial install on \ partition expects to be a primary partition - yesterday I created about 8 parts for deb sarge (boot (p), boot2 (p), swap (p), root (l), home (l), usr (l), var (l), tmp(l)), and only have room for logical partitions: now I get an error when I try to install the beta 3 onto the remaining 25 gig on the hard drive - "could not allocate as primary partitions"? Any clarification would be appreciated cheers L. On 6/25/05, musicman wrote: > Ok, I eventually got it down, and burnt it off. > > Now it isn't recognised by the box I'm testing it on, which is the > Dell PowerEdge SC1420. > Has anyone ever had any success or failure on this machine before? Or > should I be trying again on the beta 3 disc 1? > > Cheers... > > > > > On 6/24/05, musicman wrote: > > Hey, I tried getting disc 1 beta 3, and I'm having trouble...all I can > > get is 365ishMB and the download manger say's it's finished....any > > ideas? > > > > Cheers > > > > L. > > > > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > On 6/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > Here is my current TODO list: > > > > > > > * Openoffice.org should default to MS-Office formats > > > > > > > > > This one has been fixed. It is probably not fixed the *RIGHT* > > > way, but it is fixed. > > > > > > The old trick of setting the environment variable OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > > > no longer does its magic. I created patches to the OOo configuration > > > files and apply them in the K12LTSP initialization scripts (part > > > of the ltsp_config package). Yuck. > > > > > > If someone comes up with a better way, I'd be most grateful! > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > From ssanders at coin.org Sun Jun 26 02:32:37 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:32:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it Message-ID: <1119753157.4952.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi all, i have been doing nothing but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade for the last three versions on my home/test server. i decided to try a fresh install on a new drive, then move the users' /home directory over. the install went very well, but when i booted to a Knoppix disk to try to copy the /home info over, the fresh install is not easily visible? cat /etc/fstab only shows the /boot partition. suggestions? thx From gabriel.lai at etech.net.my Sun Jun 26 05:16:38 2005 From: gabriel.lai at etech.net.my (Gabriel Lai Yong Shern) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:16:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How To Configure KDE as default XWindows Message-ID: <42BE3A36.9040204@etech.net.my> Hello, I'm still thinking on how to replace KDE with default XWindows for my clients. Please kindly show me the how to. Thanks very much..... Gabriel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gabriel.lai.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 301 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 07:15:01 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:45:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How To Configure KDE as default XWindows In-Reply-To: <42BE3A36.9040204@etech.net.my> References: <42BE3A36.9040204@etech.net.my> Message-ID: <774593a2050626001512d57675@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/05, Gabriel Lai Yong Shern wrote: > Hello, > > I'm still thinking on how to replace KDE with default XWindows for my > clients. Please kindly show me the how to. the file you need to edit is /etc/sysconfig/desktop comment out the existing line and add the following two lines: DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" DESKTOP="KDE" Thats it. HTH Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Jun 26 16:14:07 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:14:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it In-Reply-To: <1119753157.4952.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119753157.4952.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42BED44F.3000901@parkrose.k12.or.us> ssanders at coin.org wrote: > hi all, i have been doing nothing but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade for the > last three versions on my home/test server. i decided to try a fresh > install on a new drive, then move the users' /home directory over. the > install went very well, but when i booted to a Knoppix disk to try to > copy the /home info over, the fresh install is not easily visible? > > cat /etc/fstab only shows the /boot partition. suggestions? Newer versions of Fedora/K12LTSP use LVM2 for the root partition by default. Older versions of Knoppix may not be able to read these, as Knoppix used to (or still does?) default to using a 2.4 kernel, which doesn't support LVM2. I think newer versions of knoppix have a 2.6 kernel, which you can boot to by typing knoppix26 (I think) at the boot prompt. Once you're on a newer kernel, you may still need to mount the partition manually. Something like: "/dev/MyVG0/MyLV0" -- Dan Young References: <20050625011953.83909.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42BD18E5.1030508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <001101c57990$de10ed70$6501a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <1119818161.42bf11b157816@webmail> All you have to do is point your Censornet box at the Samba PDC and away you go. There is a FAQ for censornet, post your question on the censornet Forum as the guys over there are really helpful. What type of example are you after ?? Brian Quoting Mark Sarria : > As a matter of fact, I am going to be using SAMBA-LDAP as my authentication > server. > can you post an example of the setup. > > Thanks > --mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Chivers" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet > > > > Are you going to be using Samba3/LDAP or just LDAP ?? > > > > I the answer is Samba3/LDAP then you in luck at Censornet authenticates > > against Samba3 without a problem and it should also import the users > > automagically. > > > > If it's LDAP alone you might be out of luck as I seem to remember that > > LDAP function was removed a few versions ago. It might be worth asking on > > the censornet forum. > > > > Brian > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > > Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Sun Jun 26 20:45:02 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:45:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME port forward problem Message-ID: <1119818702.25076.7.camel@pc-00065.sme.local> Thanks for responding Randy. I setup an MSLN account about a year and a half ago for the schoolunion96.org, but never set one up for the moodle box. I thought if I could get to my firewall (schoolunion96.org box), I could use port forwarding to get to the second box (moodle). I think I'm just going to put this box (moodle) outside my firewall until I can study up on SME. I need to start re-imaging all the MLTI iBooks and ordering parts - if I have time I'll try and solve this in late August. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 27 05:53:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Release dates Message-ID: I have mentioned that I'm shooting for a July 4th release date for K12LTSP 4.2.1EL and 4.4.0. At this point, I think I *could* make that target, but it would be better if we don't. Symbolically the 4th of July makes a nice release date, but from a quality assurance perspective it would be better to wait until the week after. I'm leaving for vacation on Tuesday and won't be back until July 4th. I have obligations on July 8th->11th that won't leave me much time for working on K12LTSP. I'd have to slave all day and night on Monday to finish them up and then hope no serious problems were reported while I was gone. Then I'd have to do a release & immediately drop back off the Net. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I vote that we do this instead: * I don't work like a dog on Monday, leave for a week, do a new release, then leave again for three days. * The current builds of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL & 4.4.0 are declared "near production ready", likely to be safe to use on pre-production servers. * As many people as possible test them out, report any and all bugs found. * On July 5th/6th/7th, I'll fix whatever bugs are reported. If at all possible, bug fixes will apply cleanly from the apt/yum/up2date repositories (i.e. if you install the current beta builds you should not be required to reinstall for the final release) * If all the bugs are fixed, I'll upload final release candidates on July 6th or 7th. * If no show stoppers are found, we'll do the final release between the 12th & 16th. -Eric From gj.kramer at planet.nl Mon Jun 27 06:04:53 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:04:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Release dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119852293.21667.13.camel@server.byh.org> Eric, I would say your vote carries the day! Take a break and enjoy your holidays. And, thanks for all the work you've done on this project. - gjk On Sun, 2005-26-06 at 22:53 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > I have mentioned that I'm shooting for a July 4th release date for > K12LTSP 4.2.1EL and 4.4.0. > > At this point, I think I *could* make that target, but it would be > better if we don't. Symbolically the 4th of July makes a nice release > date, but from a quality assurance perspective it would be better > to wait until the week after. > > I'm leaving for vacation on Tuesday and won't be back until July 4th. > I have obligations on July 8th->11th that won't leave me much time > for working on K12LTSP. > > I'd have to slave all day and night on Monday to finish them up > and then hope no serious problems were reported while I was gone. > Then I'd have to do a release & immediately drop back off the Net. > Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > > I vote that we do this instead: > > * I don't work like a dog on Monday, leave for a week, do a > new release, then leave again for three days. > > * The current builds of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL & 4.4.0 are declared "near > production ready", likely to be safe to use on pre-production > servers. > > * As many people as possible test them out, report any and all bugs > found. > > * On July 5th/6th/7th, I'll fix whatever bugs are reported. If at > all possible, bug fixes will apply cleanly from the apt/yum/up2date > repositories (i.e. if you install the current beta builds you > should not be required to reinstall for the final release) > > * If all the bugs are fixed, I'll upload final release candidates > on July 6th or 7th. > > * If no show stoppers are found, we'll do the final release > between the 12th & 16th. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 09:52:06 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Filter-CensorNet In-Reply-To: <200506242308.j5ON8WN1019266@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050627095206.8658.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm testing out CensorNet right now, too. Sounds like you have it set up similar to me. What worked for me is the 1-nic setup, and turning the firewall off. (We already have a firewall/gateway). I assigned the CensorNet machine an available ip address and to test it, I pointed my browser to that ip address. (In Firefox under Linux, it's Edit, Preferences, General, Connection Settings). CensorNet needs to be told where the gateway and dns server is. This is covered in the setup of your nic's. By the way, I found that I was able to use the SquidGuard blacklists that Eric makes available. I don't know how to make them appear in the web interface, though. -Rob --- Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello all, > > I am testing out CensorNet. I am looking for a web > filter that can be > managed by someone who does not know anything about > Linux or web filtering. > I am well aware of SquidGuard and DG, I happen to > use SquidGuard at my > location. > > I am looking into CensorNet. I have it installed in > a sandbox network. SO > far I really like the web based GUI interface, and > the fact that you can > assign different users login to administrate the > server. > > My network setup up looks something like this. > > On the Private Part if have: > Address: 192.168.1.1 > Netmask: 255.255.255.0 > > Public: > Address: 10.230.24.230 > Netmask: 255.255.248.0 > > (I am testing this with-in my own network, which > already has a router > running DHCP, but also have static addresses > available) > > DNS -Gateway > DNS- 192.215.x.x > Gateway - 192.168.1.1 > > The problem is on the client side, I am not > connecting to the Internet, I am > getting a DHCP address from the CensorNet server, > but that's all. > > Also, I will be using LDAP, I see that this can > import the user list from a > active directory server, will it do the same for an > LDAP server? > > TIA > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 09:58:03 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual boot In-Reply-To: <24261cd05062517076cb1fc8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050627095803.14942.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I installed a previous version dual-boot. I think it was 4.2.0. It was on the first disk, but not in the first partition. I'm not sure if it was a primary or logical partition, and honestly I'm not sure how to tell the difference. It may still be on that disk. If you can tell me how to check if a partition is primary or logical, I will check for you. -Rob --- musicman wrote: > Has anyone ever installed the ltsp server dual boot? > > > since I couldn't install it yesterday (bad cd - not > sure if it was teh > download or the burning software), I installed > debian sarge for my > other workmates, but I still want to install > k12ltsp on the same > machine so I can test it.... > > is it just a matter of putting in the first disk, > and giving it it's > own partition? > > cheers > > > L. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Jun 27 12:42:21 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:42:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it Message-ID: <8736CE30-E20E-450A-8A2B-350373F0CF40@chatham.k12.nc.us> ssanders wrote: > hi all, i have been doing nothing but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade for > the > last three versions on my home/test server. i decided to try a fresh > install on a new drive, then move the users' /home directory over. the > install went very well, but when i booted to a Knoppix disk to try to > copy the /home info over, the fresh install is not easily visible? > > cat /etc/fstab only shows the /boot partition. suggestions? Hi, I'm not going to be able to answer this, but I"m interested in the answer, as it relates to a question I have. I had the idea of using rsync to keep a second internal HD mirrored to my main HD as a backup. Since Fedora (K12ltsp 4.2.0) uses the LVM for everything that's not /boot I can't figure out how to mount / so that rsync can do it's thing. I think the answer to ssanders' question lies in how to deal with the LVM as well. Unfortunately, I don't know that answer. Anyone out there have an idea? Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 27 13:07:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:07:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BFF9F6.7070105@maltzen.net> That worked. I spent the weekend changing the default device back and forth. Thanks. Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > Petre wrote: > >> Since I have to return this Mac at the end of the summer :-( what is >> the Open Firmware command to set it back to booting from its local >> hard drive? Also, trying Frank's idea, setting the net boot in OS X, >> sounds interesting, but won't that take longer to boot, since the >> system has to load at least a portion of OS X to figure out it should >> load a different OS from the netowrk? > > > Petre, > > No, setting the boot pref from within OS X is the same as setting it > from within OS 9. It sets the OpenFirmware (read BIOS) default boot > device. I thought maybe you were trying to do this diskless, in which > case you'd have to go with the open firmware option. > To set it back to local booting, it depends on what OS is on the HD. > If OS 9, you could zap the PRAM by powering on and holding down the > Command + Option+P+R and let chime a few times. That should let it > startup from the HD. Once you're in OS 9 you can set the default boot > device from within the Startup Disk Control Panel. > If you have OS X installed, you can just hold down the Option key after > powering on and you should be presented with a list of possible startup > devices to choose from.Once you're in OS X you can set the default boot > device from within System Prefs. > > Peace, > Jimmy > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > 2 + 2 = 5 ( for extremely large values of 2) > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 27 13:14:06 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:14:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BFFB9E.1000305@maltzen.net> The schedule sounds good. Is this version numbered 4.4.0 to align it with the Fedora numbering, since it's using FC4? In other words, what happened to verion 4.3.x? Someone asked this a while back but I missed the answer. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > > I have mentioned that I'm shooting for a July 4th release date for > K12LTSP 4.2.1EL and 4.4.0. > > At this point, I think I *could* make that target, but it would be > better if we don't. Symbolically the 4th of July makes a nice release > date, but from a quality assurance perspective it would be better > to wait until the week after. > > I'm leaving for vacation on Tuesday and won't be back until July 4th. > I have obligations on July 8th->11th that won't leave me much time > for working on K12LTSP. > > I'd have to slave all day and night on Monday to finish them up > and then hope no serious problems were reported while I was gone. > Then I'd have to do a release & immediately drop back off the Net. > Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > > I vote that we do this instead: > > * I don't work like a dog on Monday, leave for a week, do a > new release, then leave again for three days. > > * The current builds of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL & 4.4.0 are declared "near > production ready", likely to be safe to use on pre-production > servers. > > * As many people as possible test them out, report any and all bugs > found. > > * On July 5th/6th/7th, I'll fix whatever bugs are reported. If at > all possible, bug fixes will apply cleanly from the apt/yum/up2date > repositories (i.e. if you install the current beta builds you > should not be required to reinstall for the final release) > > * If all the bugs are fixed, I'll upload final release candidates > on July 6th or 7th. > > * If no show stoppers are found, we'll do the final release > between the 12th & 16th. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Mon Jun 27 13:56:39 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (brcisna at frontiernet.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:56:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mediacard reading capabilty? Message-ID: <20050627135639.40cgnswsowo4ko0w@webmail.frontiernet.net> Hello List, Wondering if anyone has ever attempted to get a mediacard reader, on an HP Photosmart printer(# 7760) to read as an Xsane device? I have the printer working/printing fine, but of course Linux does not see the card reader portion of the printer. IE: tryed getting gimp to do an sane/import but nothing ,doing. Using version 4.2.1 K12LTSP. Thanks, Barry From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Jun 27 13:22:41 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:22:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How To Configure KDE as default XWindows References: <42BE3A36.9040204@etech.net.my> Message-ID: <008e01c57b1b$4bb6c5d0$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List > I'm still thinking on how to replace KDE with default XWindows for my > clients. Please kindly show me the how to. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm I think this howto might point you in the correct direction.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything, they just make the most of everything that comes along their way.." Gavin Spurgeon. AKA Da Geek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 27 14:24:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:24:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <2046.24.11.47.71.1119667549.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <003e01c57b23$f5125ba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > This is really a simple way to do it too. It doesn't matter > if you even have a hard drive in, booting to an OS9 install > CD allows you to do it too. There is probably a way to set > it manually in openfirmware, but booting to a CD doesn't take > too long. You can use the same method to set it back to > booting to the hard drive too, if you dont' want to zap the > PRAM -- just boot from an installer CD again (holding C on > startup) and use the startup control panel to pick the hard drive. > > (The holding down option key trick is nice too, although it > doesn't set a default. It doesnt' matter what OS you have > installed, or even if you have a hard drive, it just matters > if the computer's firmware supports > it.) If most of your iMacs are like ours here the CDROMs are most likely shot or have intermittent luck reading boot CD's. And if you don't have an OS on the drive already your hosed for the other way. This way will work every time: Boot with apple+option+o+f again Type the follwing at the command line: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. setenv auto-boot? true Hit enter. reset-all Hit enter. The machine should reboot and now automatically boot to ltsp every time it is powered up. Tip: If for some reason your machine will not boot after entering boot enet:192.168.0.254 with some error that it cannot find a boot loader or whatever, try this: boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot For some reason this is sometimes necessary. If you just want to boot back to a local HD I believe you can enter OpenFirmware and just type "boot" to get back to the local OS. Otherwise the cmd+option+p+r should zap the pram and you'll go back to square 1. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 27 14:57:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:57:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <003e01c57b23$f5125ba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003e01c57b23$f5125ba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42C013D9.2000303@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Boot with apple+option+o+f again > Type the follwing at the command line: > > setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 > Is there a way to tell it to netboot without specifying the address of the server? When I set it within OS X (since, in this case, I do have a functioning OS on the disk), I don't specify the address of the server. I know that's sort of comparing apples to oranges, but from what others have said, making the change via the OS just adjusts the OpenFirmware ultimately anyway, right? In which case, whatever OS X is telling it, it doesn't include the server address. I'd like to keep it as generic as possible, so it should get its boot info from whatever server responds. There's only one server, but someday the address might change as a new server takes the place of the old one. Petre From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 27 15:24:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:24:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mediacard reading capabilty? In-Reply-To: <20050627135639.40cgnswsowo4ko0w@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20050627135639.40cgnswsowo4ko0w@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1119885891.32510.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 08:56, brcisna at frontiernet.net wrote: > Wondering if anyone has ever attempted to get a mediacard reader, on an > HP Photosmart printer(# 7760) to read as an Xsane device? > > I have the printer working/printing fine, but of course Linux does not > see the card reader portion of the printer. > IE: tryed getting gimp to do an sane/import but nothing ,doing. Does it show up as a USB storage device and get mapped to /dev/sdxx partitions like a USB card adapter would? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 27 15:29:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:29:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to make a Mac default to network boot In-Reply-To: <42C013D9.2000303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <004201c57b2d$0902a440$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Is there a way to tell it to netboot without specifying the > address of the server? I just did a quick test with a machine that needed to always have ,yaboot specified after it. boot enet:10.6.1.126,yaboot So I tried: boot enet:,yaboot And it booted just fine. So my answer is yes. Just leave the IP off. You can test it quick like I did above before issuing a set boot-device. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 27 15:40:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:40:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Release dates In-Reply-To: <42BFFB9E.1000305@maltzen.net> References: <42BFFB9E.1000305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42C01E09.4030602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > The schedule sounds good. Is this version numbered 4.4.0 to align it > with the Fedora numbering, since it's using FC4? In other words, what > happened to verion 4.3.x? Someone asked this a while back but I missed > the answer. I thought I answered this one, but I don't see it in the archives nor my sent-mail. Must have been an off-list conversation (hmmm, I remember Paul giving me a bad time, he wanted version 5.0 ;-). The real reason is indirectly related to matching up with FC4. The first test builds were based off of FC4 test 2. The version number for FC4 test 2 was "3.92". I made the mistake of numbering the K12LTSP equivalent "4.3.92". That pretty much blew using "4.3.0" for the final release number. It was easier to bump the number up than to use something ugly like increasing the Epoch value. Besides, as you note, "4.4.0" looks like it matches up with "FC4". -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 27 16:16:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:16:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt/yum updates for 4.4.0 Message-ID: <42C0264C.6020109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> A patched version of apt was released last night. It should work once again after you have applied the updates. Since you can't use apt to fix a broken apt, run yum to grab the packages: yum update After that, apt should work. In this update is yumex, the "Yum Extender". This is the yum equivalent of synaptic. After updating, go to Applications->System Tools->Yum Extender and give it a spin. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:30:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K - content filtering Message-ID: <20050627173025.50511.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim, While reading the archives, I came across this post from you (see below). I'm not sure if you still need info on this or not, but I recently tested out CensorNet and it does a lot of what you are asking for. You might want to check it out. -Rob I've used IP Cop in the past with Dansguardian which worked fine. But now I may be posed with a scenario that calls on a new solution. Next year I'll have a K12LTSP box with SAMBA/LDAP setup to run authentication for Linux Terminals, OSX, and Windows 2000/XP. Everything will require logins based on users from the SAMBA/LDAP setup. Now as far as content filtering goes we are looking towards a system that will require users to login before accessing the internet at all (or at least pull the current user from the machine). Then I need it to hand out custom filtering based off the user group they are assinged to in the SAMBA/LDAP. So if student1 logs into any machine on campus before they can browse any page on the internet they either login as student1 or the content filter pulls the information from the machine and automatically knows student1 is logged in. Then I need it to look at student1 and see they are in the Students group and hand out the filtering rules that apply to the Students group. Or if teacher1 logs in hand out rules for the Teacher group, etc. Then if at all possible I want the ability to break down logs by user and find out each specific users activity. I may need to know only attempts to access offending sites, but I may need to be able to find out every site student1 accessed on a given day. If anyone has a solution that provides this please let me know. I don't really care what distribution it is based off of or what hardware requirements are. I just want a Open Source solution that works. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 27 17:36:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:36:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K - content filtering In-Reply-To: <20050627173025.50511.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c57b3e$bfaaae70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > While reading the archives, I came across this post > from you (see below). I'm not sure if you still need > info on this or not, but I recently tested out > CensorNet and it does a lot of what you are asking > for. You might want to check it out. Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Mon Jun 27 18:32:03 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:32:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mediacard reading capabilty? In-Reply-To: <20050627135639.40cgnswsowo4ko0w@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20050627135639.40cgnswsowo4ko0w@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1119897123.26272.5.camel@server.byh.org> Barry, If the printer is on a server, have you tried using the hplip driver from HP? The device manager that is part of that package has a button for "Access Photo Cards". It is grayed out on mine because my officejet doesn't have a card reader but the device matrix for hplip indicates that it works on the 7760. Take a look at: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php OTOH if the printer is on a client, unless you run CUPS et al as a local app I don't thing the above approach will help you. Regards - gjk On Mon, 2005-27-06 at 13:56 +0000, brcisna at frontiernet.net wrote: > Hello List, > > Wondering if anyone has ever attempted to get a mediacard reader, on an > HP Photosmart printer(# 7760) to read as an Xsane device? > > I have the printer working/printing fine, but of course Linux does not > see the card reader portion of the printer. > IE: tryed getting gimp to do an sane/import but nothing ,doing. > > Using version 4.2.1 K12LTSP. > > > Thanks, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ssanders at coin.org Mon Jun 27 19:35:54 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:35:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1 fresh install, trying to move old /home to it In-Reply-To: <8736CE30-E20E-450A-8A2B-350373F0CF40@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: yes, LVM was my problem, i'm still not sure of the best way to proceed. newer Knoppices booting to 2.6 kernel apparently have a LVM management tool on them, but not being familiar with that, i am reluctant to learn on a moderately important server. i did a test/fresh install on a dummy box, and it appears if i choose Disk Druid, I can delete the LVM stuff, and manually partition. Knoppix can now read the disk. i understand that LVM looks like a better/newer way to do things. however, i can manually partition the drives effectively, and contemplating a new install like that. is there any potentially Really Bad reasons why i should not do this? thx From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 21:22:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:22:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Release dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Take your time Eric. Don't rush. I'm guessing most of us don't need to be up until Sept anyway. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jun 28 03:48:33 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:48:33 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] shared folder by group Message-ID: <200506280355.j5S3tAWp024637@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> I would like each user's desktop to be different according to the group they belong to. In particular I would like to have a folder, like a home directory that gives direct access to shared files for their group. I would also like a shared folder that is accessible by all users. I would like this to be on the users desktop. If it is in the computer folder or network that would also be ok. Can anyone help me out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Jun 28 03:49:57 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:49:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - reset password Message-ID: <200506280351.j5S3pYvC016431@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I have a user who has forgotten his password. How can I reset his password using the smb-ldap system with K12ltsp? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olle at paalalinn.com Tue Jun 28 07:46:51 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:46:51 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] apt/yum updates for 4.4.0 In-Reply-To: <42C0264C.6020109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42C0264C.6020109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42C1006B.7000505@paalalinn.com> Problem with 4.4.0 beta3 yum update Error: Missing Dependency: perl-perl-ldap is needed by package k12ltsp-utils And I'm too stupid to find right version for it from internet... Eric Harrison wrote: > > A patched version of apt was released last night. It should work once > again after you have applied the updates. Since you can't use apt to fix > a broken apt, run yum to grab the packages: > > yum update > > After that, apt should work. > > > In this update is yumex, the "Yum Extender". This is the yum equivalent > of synaptic. After updating, go to Applications->System Tools->Yum > Extender and give it a spin. > > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jun 28 08:49:28 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:49:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - reset password In-Reply-To: <200506280351.j5S3pYvC016431@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200506280351.j5S3pYvC016431@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <42C10F18.2060700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have a user who has forgotten his password. How can I reset his > password using the smb-ldap system with K12ltsp? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see You could do smbldap-passwd username & smbpasswd username at the command line Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jun 28 13:00:11 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:00:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] shared folder by group In-Reply-To: <200506280355.j5S3tAWp024637@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200506280355.j5S3tAWp024637@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: I believe this link will at least cover some of the things you would like to do. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/desktop_per_group.htm Lewis On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:48 PM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I would like each user?s desktop to be different according to the > group they belong to. > > In particular I would like to have a folder, like a home directory > that gives direct access to shared files for their group. > > I would also like a shared folder that is accessible by all users. > I would like this to be on the users desktop. If it is in the > computer folder or network that would also be ok. > > Can anyone help me out. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 13:12:29 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:42:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] shared folder by group In-Reply-To: References: <200506280355.j5S3tAWp024637@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <774593a20506280612385b9643@mail.gmail.com> > On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:48 PM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I would like each user's desktop to be different according to the group they > belong to. > > In particular I would like to have a folder, like a home directory that > gives direct access to shared files for their group. > > I would also like a shared folder that is accessible by all users. I would > like this to be on the users desktop. If it is in the computer folder or > network that would also be ok. IceWM 1. file to be edited /usr/share/icewm/menu make two / three or more files just you would like (one for each group)...say menu1 menu2 menu3....so on. copy menu1 to /home/usertype1/.icewm/menu copy menu2 to /home/usertype2/.icewm/menu 2. For launching "filefolder" to open the group directory add something like this to menu file (as described above: prog "Group Name" /path/to/icon "konqueror /home/groupfolder" HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 28 15:28:39 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:28:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt/yum updates for 4.4.0 In-Reply-To: <42C1006B.7000505@paalalinn.com> References: <42C0264C.6020109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42C1006B.7000505@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <42C16CA7.5090101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Olle Niit wrote: > Problem with 4.4.0 beta3 > > yum update > > Error: Missing Dependency: perl-perl-ldap is needed by package > k12ltsp-utils > > And I'm too stupid to find right version for it from internet... My mistake, thanks for catching it Olle! I have fixed the dependancy and rebuilt the repositories. The "yum upgrade" should work properly now. -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> A patched version of apt was released last night. It should work once >> again after you have applied the updates. Since you can't use apt to fix >> a broken apt, run yum to grab the packages: >> >> yum update >> >> After that, apt should work. >> >> >> In this update is yumex, the "Yum Extender". This is the yum equivalent >> of synaptic. After updating, go to Applications->System Tools->Yum >> Extender and give it a spin. >> >> >> -Eric >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a backup of all config files, so when I screw them up, I replace them. Any help much appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 28 19:49:02 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:49:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD Message-ID: <200506282157.j5SLvrm09411@downeast.net> mark: i believe i have the winbind seperator commented out in mine so only the username is necessary..i believe you can throw out /var/cache/smaba/* and let it rebuild itself so your changes are reflected in the database..chuck > I've been trying for a couple of days now to get centos4 LTSP to auth > against AD ( and no I really don't want to use AD, but...). Has Anyone > made this happen? I've used 5 different instructions to make this happen > and I've been close, but no cigar. It passed the wbinfo -u/g , but when > I try to login as domain\user, the user is not found. I checked the wiki > and the config files from chuck, I still can not seem to get it to work > right. The command that does not work is the net info -U administrator > command(from memory. It does not return the indepth info it should. I > shut off the firewall, just in case that was it. I have a backup of all > config files, so when I screw them up, I replace them. > Any help much appreciated. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 28 20:33:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:33:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200506282242.j5SMg9m16731@downeast.net> Anyone have a good working startup.bat to alter the keys in "shell folders" so that My Documents is redirected to a network share..We are happily deleting it but so far unable to recreate ..chuck mark: i believe i have the winbind seperator commented out in mine so only > the username is necessary..i believe you can throw out /var/cache/smaba/* > and let it rebuild itself so your changes are reflected in the database..chuck > > I've been trying for a couple of days now to get centos4 LTSP to auth > > against AD ( and no I really don't want to use AD, but...). Has Anyone > > made this happen? I've used 5 different instructions to make this happen > > and I've been close, but no cigar. It passed the wbinfo -u/g , but when > > I try to login as domain\user, the user is not found. I checked the wiki > > and the config files from chuck, I still can not seem to get it to work > > right. The command that does not work is the net info -U administrator > > command(from memory. It does not return the indepth info it should. I > > shut off the firewall, just in case that was it. I have a backup of all > > config files, so when I screw them up, I replace them. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Gumprecht > > Data Systems Specialist > > MSAD3 > > Unity, ME > > gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 28 21:09:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:09:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <200506282242.j5SMg9m16731@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Anyone have a good working startup.bat to alter the keys in > "shell folders" so that My Documents is redirected to a > network share..We are happily deleting it but so far unable > to recreate ..chuck Not much time here as I have to go get my kids from daycare, but how about a simple batch that runs a registry key import on HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders". You could set up one user the way you like it, then export the My Documents key with the edited path to a mydocuments.reg or something. Then run the batch that imports that registry file on login. Just a very untested thought. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Jun 28 21:25:34 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:25:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42C1C04E.8000701@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 28 22:41:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:41:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <42C1C04E.8000701@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42C1C04E.8000701@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <20050628223930.M81818@winonacotter.org> > I use TweakUI on the client computer to change all those kinds > ofthings ... downloadable from Microsoft. Do a google search for > Tweak UI Knowing Chuck my guess is he wants something automatic. Something that saves the time of sitting in front of each machine. Otherwise for a redirect of My Documents you can easily right click My Documents, choose properties, then click either Move or Find Target for a new location. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 28 22:48:08 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:48:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200506290056.j5T0uwm05582@downeast.net> tweakui is fine but should be able to d/l a startup.bat to do it automagically..i just cant quite get the syntax right...story of my life 8~) chuck > > > > > > > I use TweakUI on the client computer to change all those kinds of > things ... downloadable from Microsoft. Do a google search for Tweak UI
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> > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jun 29 01:15:04 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:15:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> This may get double posted since I originally replied from an unsubscribed account. I'll apologize in advance :) I work with Chuck and we've been working on this issue together. Is there a reason this doesn't work: ---------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "Personal"=- (this part works, it deletes the Personal entry) [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\My Documents" (this part doesn't work, no Personal entry is recreated) ----------- I hadn't thought about trying to replace the entire key, I'll try that tomorrow. -- Jason IngallsEllsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Jim Kronebusch : >> Anyone have a good working startup.bat to alter the keys in >> "shell folders" so that My Documents is redirected to a >> network share..We are happily deleting it but so far unable >> to recreate ..chuck > > Not much time here as I have to go get my kids from daycare, but how > about a simple batch that runs a registry key import on > HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell > Folders". You could set up one user the way you like it, then export > the My Documents key with the edited path to a mydocuments.reg or > something. Then run the batch that imports that registry file on login. > > Just a very untested thought. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From datakid at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 03:15:30 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:15:30 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop timeouts? Message-ID: <24261cd050628201512cfc557@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone else have any trouble with rdesktop timeouts? I'm getting them fairly frequently when trying to serve windows desktops from the ltsp. In in terminal services config on the win server, I've set the timeout to 1 hour, but my users are getting black screens and the like if they walk away from the computer for 20 minutes. Sometimes they even just reboot themselves? thin clients rebooting themselves is a bit uppity in my book, but what the hey, maybe I've done somethign wrong again ;) cheers L. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Jun 29 03:39:13 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:39:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] numlock Message-ID: <200506290345.j5T3jqIk000467@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> How can I get the number lock to be on as default when I log in to K12ltsp? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Set it to on in the bios of your thin client. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jun 29 08:43:46 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:43:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <42C25F42.7050206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jason Ingalls wrote: > This may get double posted since I originally replied from an unsubscribed > account. I'll apologize in advance :) > > I work with Chuck and we've been working on this issue together. > > Is there a reason this doesn't work: > > ---------- > > REGEDIT4 > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > > "Personal"=- (this part works, it deletes the Personal entry) > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > > "Personal"="P:\My Documents" (this part doesn't work, no Personal entry is > recreated) > > ----------- > > I hadn't thought about trying to replace the entire key, I'll try that > tomorrow. I use a combination of reg files & kixstart script to alter thing like this. I can't praise Kixstart.org enough there scipting tool is really good, you can do loads with it. Here is the section of my login.kix file that alter my doc's, it's called by startup.bat $mydocs="p:\"; $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders" IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" ENDIF $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders" IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" ENDIF Looking at the above it would appear that you need to alter 2 keys, Shell Folders & User Shell Folders, most of this bit came off the kixstart.org forum. If you'd like the complete files let me know and I'll send them over --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jun 29 12:04:47 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:04:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech experiences? Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646697@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Hello all! I'm looking at purchasing computer systems from DakTech (with their 7 year warranty). Has anyone purchased computers from them? Have you had a good experience with service, reliability, etc? How long have you been purchasing from them? Thanks! Henry From shawn at techcoms.net Wed Jun 29 12:16:05 2005 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:16:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fuzzy display Message-ID: <42C29105.5000108@techcoms.net> I finally got the install done. Everything is working great but I am getting a fuzzy display on the terminals. any mouse movement and the mouse tail makes the screen unviewable. I tried uncommenting all the different refresh rates one by one in the lts.conf but this still does not work ..some worse some better . Do I need to try all the different refresh rates while changing the Xserver individually. Any ideas? Thanks # # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) # # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt # # # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) # [Default] # IP address of the LTSP server SERVER = 192.168.15.254 # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = auto # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga # XFree 3 drivers: XF86_FBDev XF86_S3 XF86_S3V XF86_SVGA # XF86_VGA16 XFree86 Xvesa X4_MODULE_01 = glx # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "us" # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, # XkbLayout = "de" # also see: # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx #SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.15.254 #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp # uncomment the following line to enable floppy support #RCFILE_01 = floppyd # uncomment the following line to enable SNMP support #SNMPD = Y # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Below are sample mode lines for a variety of vertical refresh rates and # resolutions. They are used to define the default client screen resolution. # Some lines may not work with a given monitor and video chipset. # To avoid damaging a monitor and video card, only specify mode lines that # your client's hardware can support. # Uncomment only *one* of the following X_MODE_0 lines at a time, or add one # of your own. # 60 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 70 Hz Resolutions (Use instead of 72 Hz for 1024x768) # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 72 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1192 1296 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 75 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync # 85 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -hsync -vsync ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ## ## The sections below are for specific terminals. You can define the ## settings for an individual terminal in three ways: ## ## 1. MAC address ## 2. Hostname ## 3. IP address ## ## Using IP address or hostname usually means editing /etc/dhcpd.conf ## for each terminal in addtion to adding the entry below. As such, ## it is generally a good idea to use the terminal's MAC address. ## ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ## ## Examples of specifying X settings for a workstation ## #[08:00:46:43:42:91] # XSERVER = auto # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NFS_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m # #[ws002] # XSERVER = XF86_S3 # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NFS_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # #[192.168.0.12] # XSERVER = ati # # ws004 is my virtual workstation running in a VMware session # #[ws004] # DNS_SERVER = 192.168.15.254 # XSERVER = auto # X4_BUSID = "PCI:0:15:0" # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NFS_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a workstation configured to load some modules # #[ws001] # MODULE_01 = agpgart.o # This is for i810 video # MODULE_02 = uart401.o # MODULE_03 = "sb.o io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" # MODULE_04 = opl3.o #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of ws001 configured for local apps # #[ws001] # LOCAL_APPS = Y # LOCAL_WM = Y # NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp # NIS_SERVER = 192.168.15.254 #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a parallel printer attached to /dev/lp0 on workstation ws001 # #[ws001] # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 # PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a serial printer attached to /dev/ttyS1 on workstation ws001 # #[ws001] # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS1 # PRINTER_0_TYPE = S # P-Parallel, S-Serial # PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 # PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 # baud rate: defaults to 9600 # PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S # Flow control: S-Software (XON/XOFF), # # H-Hardware (CTS/RTS) # PRINTER_0_PARITY = N # Parity: N-None, E-Even, O-Odd # # (defaults to 'N') # PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 # Databits: 5,6,7,8 (defaults to 8) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shawn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 267 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 29 12:31:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:31:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tweaking Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <20050629000250.69d6edcf@localhost.localdomain> References: <200506290345.j5T3jqIk000467@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> <20050629000250.69d6edcf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120048318.23649.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 00:02, Bill Bardon wrote: > Squeeze Your Gigabit NIC for Top Performance > February 24, 2005 > By Charlie Schluting > http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/nethub/article.php/3485486 > > I am going to try his suggestions when I get my Gigabit setup > operational, unless there's any reason I shouldn't? Those changes won't hurt anything and might help a bit, but the window size change is aimed at increasing the transfer speed of a single connection. You are likely to have dozens of concurrent connections and won't wait until you've hit the window size on all of them. Also, if the other ends are all 100M, you don't want to get too far ahead. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jun 29 12:46:09 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:46:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <42C25F42.7050206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <42C25F42.7050206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050629084609.g93abfmlacsos0c8@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> I'd love to look at them! Thanks, -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Brian Chivers : > Jason Ingalls wrote: >> This may get double posted since I originally replied from an unsubscribed >> account. I'll apologize in advance :) >> >> I work with Chuck and we've been working on this issue together. >> >> Is there a reason this doesn't work: >> >> ---------- >> >> REGEDIT4 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"=- (this part works, it deletes the Personal entry) >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"="P:\My Documents" (this part doesn't work, no Personal entry is >> recreated) >> >> ----------- >> >> I hadn't thought about trying to replace the entire key, I'll try that >> tomorrow. > > I use a combination of reg files & kixstart script to alter thing > like this. I can't praise Kixstart.org enough there scipting tool is > really good, you can do loads with it. > > > Here is the section of my login.kix file that alter my doc's, it's > called by startup.bat > > $mydocs="p:\"; > $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders" > IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) > ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" > ENDIF > $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell > Folders" > IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) > ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" > ENDIF > > Looking at the above it would appear that you need to alter 2 keys, > Shell Folders & User Shell Folders, most of this bit came off the > kixstart.org forum. > > If you'd like the complete files let me know and I'll send them over > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From brcisna at frontiernet.net Wed Jun 29 12:57:29 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (brcisna at frontiernet.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:57:29 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mediacard reading capabilty? Message-ID: <20050629125729.koowws48w444cscc@webmail.frontiernet.net> Gustav,, Thanks for the lead on the hplip package. I am running this printer on a thin client I'll try and install the hplip package,on the server ,then try and do a "local apps" on this client. I havent delved into running local apps,as Ive heard quite a few horror stories,on this subject,but have wanted to give it a shot,anyway. I've had such good/troublefree >luck<, running everything on the server.. Thanks again, Barry From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 29 17:19:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:19:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech experiences? In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646697@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646697@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 8:04 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello all! I'm looking at purchasing computer systems from DakTech (with >their 7 year warranty). Has anyone purchased computers from them? Have >you had a good experience with service, reliability, etc? How long have >you been purchasing from them? Thanks! My experience? DakTech ROCKS! I've bought several servers from them....they kick a$$ and their support is very good! (not that I've needed any except for a replacement HD which they overnighted to me) PS...great meeting you and your wife at the NE Linux conference last week! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 29 17:19:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:19:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech experiences? In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646697@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646697@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 8:04 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello all! I'm looking at purchasing computer systems from DakTech (with >their 7 year warranty). Has anyone purchased computers from them? Have >you had a good experience with service, reliability, etc? How long have >you been purchasing from them? Thanks! My experience? DakTech ROCKS! I've bought several servers from them....they kick a$$ and their support is very good! (not that I've needed any except for a replacement HD which they overnighted to me) PS...great meeting you and your wife at the NE Linux conference last week! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jun 29 17:45:23 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:45:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD In-Reply-To: <42C16CBF.7040903@msln.net> References: <42C16CBF.7040903@msln.net> Message-ID: <42C2DE33.7010300@msln.net> Gets better... In joining to the domain controller, Active directory crashed. The only reference I can find is that of using the netdom resetpwd command...only problem is this is the only DC on the site. Has any one info on how to reset the machine password? And I only assume that is the issue because I found some info in an OSx forum about this exact same issue. What is the best solution for centralized authentication? AD, NDS, LDAP/SAMBA? I have a mixed bag here of 98,win2k,xp,linux,osx. After this latest incident, I'm quite temped to over haul the whole thing this summer! Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I've been trying for a couple of days now to get centos4 LTSP to auth > against AD ( and no I really don't want to use AD, but...). Has Anyone > made this happen? I've used 5 different instructions to make this > happen and I've been close, but no cigar. It passed the wbinfo -u/g , > but when I try to login as domain\user, the user is not found. I > checked the wiki and the config files from chuck, I still can not seem > to get it to work right. The command that does not work is the net > info -U administrator command(from memory. It does not return the > indepth info it should. I shut off the firewall, just in case that was > it. I have a backup of all config files, so when I screw them up, I > replace them. > Any help much appreciated. > Mark > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 29 17:56:51 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:56:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD In-Reply-To: <42C2DE33.7010300@msln.net> References: <42C16CBF.7040903@msln.net> <42C2DE33.7010300@msln.net> Message-ID: <6B1E9398-36CE-43AD-A119-23DEB5BFD42C@inlandlakes.org> On Jun 29, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > AD, NDS, LDAP/SAMBA? I have a mixed bag here of 98,win2k,xp,linux,osx. Mark, I'm on the brink of doing the same thing. I bought an xserve (pretty cheap for decent hardware too...) for managing the osx clients, and I'm considering using the xserve for user authentication from all the boxes. (It's OpenLDAP, and I assume compatible with any LDAP needs) Anyone using OSX Server for user authentication? Other than it not being linux (which is a huge issue for me... at least OSX uses OpenLDAP...) -- is there any reason not to use the xserve for authentication? -Shawn From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Wed Jun 29 18:36:38 2005 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:36:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slight OT: DRBD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050629113638.0218ddd0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> I was wondering if anyone has used DRBD on their servers? I currently have 1 samba server shared between 3 schools over 100M fiber. I will be adding 2 servers this summer, so each school will have its own. Somehow, I would like to mirror all 3 servers, have users access their local server, but if one went down, users would access one of the others, a Raid over network of sorts. Any suggestions? --thanks --joe obrien Meridian School District Bellingham WA From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 29 18:52:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD In-Reply-To: <42C2DE33.7010300@msln.net> References: <42C16CBF.7040903@msln.net> <42C2DE33.7010300@msln.net> Message-ID: <1120071120.6028.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 12:45, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > What is > the best solution for centralized authentication? AD, NDS, LDAP/SAMBA? I > have a mixed bag here of 98,win2k,xp,linux,osx. After this latest > incident, I'm quite temped to over haul the whole thing this summer! I think there will be a new and better option when Red Hat releases the 7.1 version of Red Hat Directory Server. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/ This was once the Netscape directory server and from all accounts has more features and is more robust than openldap. Is anyone currently working with samba/ldap watching this? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 20:02:09 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:02:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop timeouts? In-Reply-To: <24261cd050628201512cfc557@mail.gmail.com> References: <24261cd050628201512cfc557@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C2FE41.4040806@yahoo.com> Hello ! I had same problem before I set in client's (during client's session) screen on saver: blank after 720 min May be I did something else, I don't remember. If it will not help - group me letter and I'l will review all conf. >In in terminal services config on the win server, I've set the timeout >to 1 hour, but my users are getting black screens and the like if they >walk away from the computer for 20 minutes. > > > Vlad Rachinsky GHSDistrict, Sacramento, CA From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Jun 29 21:11:37 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:11:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Citrix In-Reply-To: <42C2FE41.4040806@yahoo.com> References: <24261cd050628201512cfc557@mail.gmail.com> <42C2FE41.4040806@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1120079497.5230.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Anybody know if it is possible to use Citrix applications from an LTSP client? BTW, I do not mean substitute Citrix for an LTSP server. I want to be able to use a Citrix server kind of like I'd use Rdesktop to use a windows box. Jack From rusty at enveloptech.com Wed Jun 29 21:20:47 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:20:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Citrix Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A4976F@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Here's a link to download the ICA client for Linux: http://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?dID=2755&download ID=3323&pID=186 Rusty Pywtorak -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jack Palmadesso Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:12 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Citrix Anybody know if it is possible to use Citrix applications from an LTSP client? BTW, I do not mean substitute Citrix for an LTSP server. I want to be able to use a Citrix server kind of like I'd use Rdesktop to use a windows box. Jack From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Jun 29 21:36:16 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:36:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mediacard reading capabilty? In-Reply-To: <20050629125729.koowws48w444cscc@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20050629125729.koowws48w444cscc@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1120080976.29963.6.camel@server.byh.org> Good luck! Please keep me posted on your results. - gustav On Wed, 2005-29-06 at 12:57 +0000, brcisna at frontiernet.net wrote: > Gustav,, > > Thanks for the lead on the hplip package. > I am running this printer on a thin client > I'll try and install the hplip package,on the server ,then try and do a > "local apps" on this client. > I havent delved into running local apps,as Ive heard quite a few horror > stories,on this subject,but have wanted to give it a shot,anyway. > I've had such good/troublefree >luck<, running everything on the > server.. > > Thanks again, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jun 29 23:07:40 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:07:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Citrix In-Reply-To: <1120079497.5230.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <24261cd050628201512cfc557@mail.gmail.com> <42C2FE41.4040806@yahoo.com> <1120079497.5230.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1120086461.21372.2.camel@techstation> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 17:11 -0400, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Anybody know if it is possible to use Citrix applications from an LTSP > client? Some work, some don't. It seems that it really depends on how the Citrix server is setup. I spent quite some time trying to get Pentamation (a common student management system in Oregon, which is ASP hosted via Citrix) to work in Linux but had no success. When I talked to a local Citrix nerd he said that the way they setup the backend basically made it so that the odds of it working were slim to none. SorryI can't offer any more detail, "It can work sometimes" isn't terribly helpful I know. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 30 01:00:08 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:00:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents Message-ID: <200506300308.j5U38o518861@downeast.net> Automatic is good..elegant wven better sneaky inder the radar and elegant better tahn that 8~) > > I use TweakUI on the client computer to change all those kinds > > ofthings ... downloadable from Microsoft. Do a google search for > > Tweak UI > > Knowing Chuck my guess is he wants something automatic. Something that saves > the time of sitting in front of each machine. Otherwise for a redirect of My > Documents you can easily right click My Documents, choose properties, then > click either Move or Find Target for a new location. > > -- better than that 8) > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Thu Jun 30 04:15:19 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:15:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Betas available? Message-ID: <42C371D7.4090700@shaw.ca> I will wait for the new release when you get back from holidays Eric, but do you have some recent betas I could try? I don't care about anything else not working perfect yet, I just want to see if my pesky sound issue has been resolved. I love the product but spent the last year unsuccessfully trying to get sound to work for my elementary teachers, who say it is a must keep up the good work From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Thu Jun 30 13:00:41 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (ccraig at safedesksolutions.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:00:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Citrix Message-ID: <20050630130041.14609.qmail@gem-wbe02.mesa1.secureserver.net> Agreeing with Quentin; sometimes takes a bit of tweaking. Check out http://www.thincomputing.net/newsitem456.html; if you'd like to discuss your project offline, I can hook you up with an engineer here. (and no, you won't get charged.) Curt > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Citrix > From: Quentin Hartman > Date: Wed, June 29, 2005 4:07 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > , jackpal at cfl.rr.com > > On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 17:11 -0400, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Anybody know if it is possible to use Citrix applications from an LTSP > > client? > > Some work, some don't. It seems that it really depends on how the Citrix > server is setup. I spent quite some time trying to get Pentamation (a > common student management system in Oregon, which is ASP hosted via > Citrix) to work in Linux but had no success. When I talked to a local > Citrix nerd he said that the way they setup the backend basically made > it so that the odds of it working were slim to none. SorryI can't offer > any more detail, "It can work sometimes" isn't terribly helpful I know. > > -- > -Best Regards- > > -Quentin Hartman- > Technology Coordinator > South Lane School District 45j3 > Cottage Grove, Oregon > (541)767-3778 > http://www.slane.k12.or.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jun 30 14:58:46 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:58:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050628223930.M81818@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42C1C04E.8000701@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <20050628223930.M81818@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Yeah, I hate touching every computer as well. . . .reg files and regedit from login scripts works great. I can apply to a group of computers or the whole schmo at once depending on building, and other attributes. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I use TweakUI on the client computer to change all those kinds > > ofthings ... downloadable from Microsoft. Do a google search for > > Tweak UI > > Knowing Chuck my guess is he wants something automatic. Something that saves > the time of sitting in front of each machine. Otherwise for a redirect of My > Documents you can easily right click My Documents, choose properties, then > click either Move or Find Target for a new location. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jun 30 15:01:19 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:01:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: The personal thing may not work if there isn't already a My Documents folder in their P: drive. Try it with just P:\ so it don't have to find the non-existent folder. Works for me. . . It won't matter if there is a My Documents folder in their P: drive or not since it becomes "My Documents" anyway. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jason Ingalls wrote: > This may get double posted since I originally replied from an unsubscribed > account. I'll apologize in advance :) > > I work with Chuck and we've been working on this issue together. > > Is there a reason this doesn't work: > > ---------- > > REGEDIT4 > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > > "Personal"=- (this part works, it deletes the Personal entry) > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders] > > "Personal"="P:\My Documents" (this part doesn't work, no Personal entry is > recreated) > > ----------- > > I hadn't thought about trying to replace the entire key, I'll try that > tomorrow. > -- > Jason IngallsEllsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > Quoting Jim Kronebusch : > > >> Anyone have a good working startup.bat to alter the keys in > >> "shell folders" so that My Documents is redirected to a > >> network share..We are happily deleting it but so far unable > >> to recreate ..chuck > > > > Not much time here as I have to go get my kids from daycare, but how > > about a simple batch that runs a registry key import on > > HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell > > Folders". You could set up one user the way you like it, then export > > the My Documents key with the edited path to a mydocuments.reg or > > something. Then run the batch that imports that registry file on login. > > > > Just a very untested thought. > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Thu Jun 30 15:04:33 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:04:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] regfile for redirect of My Documents In-Reply-To: References: <000001c57c25$b41caee0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050628211504.cozpohiaqysks8ss@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <20050630110433.7ozje2k4p1u88k4s@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> I've tried that as well. I haven't tried modifying "shell folders" AND "user shell folders" yet. I'm hoping that is it. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Doug Simpson : > The personal thing may not work if there isn't already a My Documents > folder in their P: drive. > > Try it with just P:\ so it don't have to find the non-existent folder. > Works for me. . . > > It won't matter if there is a My Documents folder in their P: drive or not > since it becomes "My Documents" anyway. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jason Ingalls wrote: > >> This may get double posted since I originally replied from an unsubscribed >> account. I'll apologize in advance :) >> >> I work with Chuck and we've been working on this issue together. >> >> Is there a reason this doesn't work: >> >> ---------- >> >> REGEDIT4 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"=- (this part works, it deletes the Personal entry) >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders] >> >> "Personal"="P:\My Documents" (this part doesn't work, no Personal entry is >> recreated) >> >> ----------- >> >> I hadn't thought about trying to replace the entire key, I'll try that >> tomorrow. >> -- >> Jason IngallsEllsworth School Department >> IT Specialist >> 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 >> jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org >> >> >> Quoting Jim Kronebusch : >> >> >> Anyone have a good working startup.bat to alter the keys in >> >> "shell folders" so that My Documents is redirected to a >> >> network share..We are happily deleting it but so far unable >> >> to recreate ..chuck >> > >> > Not much time here as I have to go get my kids from daycare, but how >> > about a simple batch that runs a registry key import on >> > HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell >> > Folders". You could set up one user the way you like it, then export >> > the My Documents key with the edited path to a mydocuments.reg or >> > something. Then run the batch that imports that registry file on login. >> > >> > Just a very untested thought. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> > Department, and is believed to be clean. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jun 30 15:16:35 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:16:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Betas available? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E6C1@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Thu, June 30, 2005 12:15 AM, Liam Marshall said: >> >> I will wait for the new release when you get back from holidays Eric, >> but do you have some recent betas I could try? I don't care about >> anything else not working perfect yet, I just want to see if my pesky >> sound issue has been resolved. >> >> I love the product but spent the last year unsuccessfully trying to get >> sound to work for my elementary teachers, who say it is a must >> You'll find Eric's latest betas of 4.4.0 (beta 3 as of right now) here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 30 16:14:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:14:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP Installer from Oquist and Trask Message-ID: <002d01c57d8e$c583bba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I am trying to run the smbldap-useradd-bulk script included with the SMB/LDAP Installer provided by David and Matt. I have created a userinfo.names with the following: Firstname,Lastname,username,groupid,password I run the script with ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -f userinfo.names -o userinfo.finish And get results across the screen in the format of: Firstname,Lastname,username,groupid,password,homedir,wierdrandom8charact eroutput Not sure what the last item is, it almost looks like a automatically generated password. I cannot log in with these new users either with the password from the userinfo.names or the random 8 character output. I have to lists of users, I have a list of students I want to import as groupid 525 and a list of staff I want to import as group 526. These users already have usernames and passwords that they have used since the beginning of time. Any ideas as to what may be wrong here? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 30 16:20:24 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:20:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP Installer fromOquist and Trask In-Reply-To: <002d01c57d8e$c583bba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200506301620.j5UGKB1M011376@mx1.redhat.com> Can you post your userinfo.names? --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:14 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP Installer fromOquist and Trask I am trying to run the smbldap-useradd-bulk script included with the SMB/LDAP Installer provided by David and Matt. I have created a userinfo.names with the following: Firstname,Lastname,username,groupid,password I run the script with ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -f userinfo.names -o userinfo.finish And get results across the screen in the format of: Firstname,Lastname,username,groupid,password,homedir,wierdrandom8charact eroutput Not sure what the last item is, it almost looks like a automatically generated password. I cannot log in with these new users either with the password from the userinfo.names or the random 8 character output. I have to lists of users, I have a list of students I want to import as groupid 525 and a list of staff I want to import as group 526. These users already have usernames and passwords that they have used since the beginning of time. Any ideas as to what may be wrong here? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bill at computassist.com Thu Jun 30 16:26:10 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:26:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tweaking Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <1120048318.23649.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200506290345.j5T3jqIk000467@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> <20050629000250.69d6edcf@localhost.localdomain> <1120048318.23649.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050630112610.2d7f82c2@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Jun 29 Les Mikesell wrote: > Those changes won't hurt anything and might help a bit, but the > window size change is aimed at increasing the transfer speed of > a single connection. You are likely to have dozens of concurrent > connections and won't wait until you've hit the window size on > all of them. Also, if the other ends are all 100M, you don't > want to get too far ahead. Thanks, Les. So you think I should just leave well enough alone? Or use his tweaks but with smaller values? -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 30 16:59:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:59:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP InstallerfromOquist and Trask In-Reply-To: <200506301620.j5UGKB1M011376@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002e01c57d95$257d60a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Can you post your userinfo.names? I probably shouldn't hand out everyones usernames and password out here. So here is a sample with bogus users so you can see the formatting. Sandy,Cheeks,scheeks,525,sillypw Woody,Woodpecker,wwoodpec,525,funny Steve,Oak,soak,525,boat Cat,Stevens,cstevens,526,3lbhR I hope that is enough to get you an idea. The format is firstname,lastname,username,groupid,password. This is what seemed to be the recommended format from the http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ website in section Method 3a of running the bulk add script. Now not all of the passwords are 8 characters long, but none exceed 8 characters. And all usernames are less than 8 characters. Passwords would have been cleaned up to contain only alphanumeric symbols. And punctuation like !#@$ or such was eliminated last year. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us Thu Jun 30 16:52:58 2005 From: Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us (Joe Augsburger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:52:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions Message-ID: I've been reading the list now for about two months ago; barely able to spell Linux but a couple of months ago I 'borrowed' a Dell computer out of one of my school's labs and installed K12LTSP on it and have it on my mostly Novell network. We've run a couple of thin clients at surprising speed with just this poor workstation-turned-server. Enough to 'prove' the concept and I've been given----very rare, here----$3000 to put a real Linux server into service. My question, since I've only got one chance to buy a decent server...what do these specs sound like to you folks who are more knowlegeable? >From DAKTech computers (one of my state's preferred providers) dual Xeon 2.4 Ghz with 533 fsb ultra 320 scsi (three, 36 gb Seagate drives) 2 gb RAM Intel SRCZRU Dual RAID controller Dual integrated Intel Pro 1000+ maybe add a fiber-optic NIC? Will this serve 20-25 thin clients (mostly internet, word processing, etc) acceptably, and does anyone have experience with this type of RAID controller? I've read all the posts in the last two months or so and it seems that some difficulties exist with linux picking up some RAID controllers. I appreciate any information you share. Thanks, Joe Augsburger network admin Douglas County SD#15 Days Creek, Oregon From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Jun 30 17:07:49 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:07:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506301307.50030.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday June 30 2005 12:52 pm, Joe Augsburger wrote: > I've been reading the list now for about two months ago; barely able to > spell Linux but a couple of months ago I 'borrowed' a Dell computer out of > one of my school's labs and installed K12LTSP on it and have it on my > mostly Novell network. We've run a couple of thin clients at surprising > speed with just this poor workstation-turned-server. Enough to 'prove' the > concept and I've been given----very rare, here----$3000 to put a real Linux > server into service. > > My question, since I've only got one chance to buy a decent server...what > do these specs sound like to you folks who are more knowlegeable? > > >From DAKTech computers (one of my state's preferred providers) > > dual Xeon 2.4 Ghz with 533 fsb > ultra 320 scsi (three, 36 gb Seagate drives) > 2 gb RAM > Intel SRCZRU Dual RAID controller > Dual integrated Intel Pro 1000+ > > maybe add a fiber-optic NIC? > > Will this serve 20-25 thin clients (mostly internet, word processing, etc) > acceptably, and does anyone have experience with this type of RAID > controller? I've read all the posts in the last two months or so and it > seems that some difficulties exist with linux picking up some RAID > controllers. > > I appreciate any information you share. > > Thanks, > Joe Augsburger > network admin > Douglas County SD#15 > Days Creek, Oregon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see The real gurus on the list may disagree, but I would think that the second processor is not as important as adding as much RAM as you can. Dimitri From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 30 17:11:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:11:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C427B4.9030005@maltzen.net> I suggest, if possible, getting more RAM; go to 4GB if you can. The rule of thumb for memory is 100MB per user, With 20-25 users, you're already at or over the line, and that's not even counting some RAM for the basic OS stuff. If going to 4GB breaks your budget, consider getting just two drives, instead of three, in a RAID1 (mirrored) configuration. You won't have as much disk space, but that will only eventually, gradually become a problem; insufficient RAM will be a problem right from the start. I would think you'd be able to get through a year with just two disks, and if they do start getting full, you can budget for additional or bigger disks next year. After a year of use, the people in charge will understand the idea that the disks might be filling up. Petre Joe Augsburger wrote: > I've been reading the list now for about two months ago; barely able to spell Linux but a couple of months ago I 'borrowed' a Dell computer out of one of my school's labs and installed K12LTSP on it and have it on my mostly Novell network. We've run a couple of thin clients at surprising speed with just this poor workstation-turned-server. Enough to 'prove' the concept and I've been given----very rare, here----$3000 to put a real Linux server into service. > > My question, since I've only got one chance to buy a decent server...what do these specs sound like to you folks who are more knowlegeable? > >>From DAKTech computers (one of my state's preferred providers) > > dual Xeon 2.4 Ghz with 533 fsb > ultra 320 scsi (three, 36 gb Seagate drives) > 2 gb RAM > Intel SRCZRU Dual RAID controller > Dual integrated Intel Pro 1000+ > > maybe add a fiber-optic NIC? > > Will this serve 20-25 thin clients (mostly internet, word processing, etc) acceptably, and does anyone have experience with this type of RAID controller? I've read all the posts in the last two months or so and it seems that some difficulties exist with linux picking up some RAID controllers. > > I appreciate any information you share. > > Thanks, > Joe Augsburger > network admin > Douglas County SD#15 > Days Creek, Oregon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Jun 30 17:40:39 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:40:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD (Fedora Directory Server) In-Reply-To: <20050630160035.B839874332@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050630160035.B839874332@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1120153239.4311.250.camel@phoenix.hhp> Les, I am eagerly watching what happens with Fedora Directory Server (directory.fedora.redhat.com). One of the next todos is to get it to automatically create the posixuser information (it is not done by default when adding a new user, you have to check it off and enter all the info). I tested it out briefly during the Samba/LDAP session at NELS a few weeks ago (mmmm.... VMWare 5....). Installed really easy and I got it quickly authenticating my box. I am interested in the active directory sync abilities. I want to use it to replicate all my users from AD over to Fedora Directory Server, then eventually get a SAMBA/Fedora Directory Server setup going and then start joining my XP machines to the new domain, then eventually kill the Active Directory Server, or setup a new Domain (new name, etc) and have it be secondary so the exchange server will work ( I can't get rid of exchange...). However, there is no samba schema for Fedora Dir Server yet.... but it looks like the stub for a howto is there. I might hack on it if I get a chance... I also couldn't get the unix group information setup correctly (as in I could create groups, but I couldn't enter the posixgroup information). But hey, now that it is OSS, the new features should come quickly. For the meantime: I might recommend using Services for Unix to provide the posixgroup information in AD and then use a combination of LDAP auth to AD and kerberos for password... although if you can get LDAP passwd working with AD more power to you. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Les Mikesell > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0500 > > On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 12:45, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > What is > > the best solution for centralized authentication? AD, NDS, LDAP/SAMBA? I > > have a mixed bag here of 98,win2k,xp,linux,osx. After this latest > > incident, I'm quite temped to over haul the whole thing this summer! > > I think there will be a new and better option when Red Hat releases the > 7.1 version of Red Hat Directory Server. > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/ > This was once the Netscape directory server and from all accounts has > more features and is more robust than openldap. Is anyone currently > working with samba/ldap watching this? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 30 17:47:26 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:47:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP InstallerfromOquist and Trask In-Reply-To: <002e01c57d95$257d60a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200506301747.j5UHlB80006689@mx1.redhat.com> Funny thing, That did not work for me either, so what did I created entered in my doc, the FirstName,LastName,username. I let the script add the password, then I changed the value to allow users to change there password at first login. To add them to the proper group I first made the file for one group, then the another. I ran the script like this ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -g 523 -f userinfo.names -o userinfo.finish Notice the -g, meaning add to that group. I then printed out the userinfo.finish, for my records and also o give the user there newly created account and password. Like I said earlier, I then change the value of each user to allow them to change their password at first login. This might not be the best solution, it is very time consuming, but this is how I hade to make it work for me. I will keep an eye on this post, to see if anyone else has a better way. --mark -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:00 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAP InstallerfromOquist and Trask > Can you post your userinfo.names? I probably shouldn't hand out everyones usernames and password out here. So here is a sample with bogus users so you can see the formatting. Sandy,Cheeks,scheeks,525,sillypw Woody,Woodpecker,wwoodpec,525,funny Steve,Oak,soak,525,boat Cat,Stevens,cstevens,526,3lbhR I hope that is enough to get you an idea. The format is firstname,lastname,username,groupid,password. This is what seemed to be the recommended format from the http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ website in section Method 3a of running the bulk add script. Now not all of the passwords are 8 characters long, but none exceed 8 characters. And all usernames are less than 8 characters. Passwords would have been cleaned up to contain only alphanumeric symbols. And punctuation like !#@$ or such was eliminated last year. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 30 17:57:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:57:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist and Trask In-Reply-To: <200506301747.j5UHlB80006689@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002f01c57d9d$2c9559d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > This might not be the best solution, it is very time > consuming, but this is how I hade to make it work for me. I > will keep an eye on this post, to see if anyone else has a better way. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Unfortunately I have to keep the same passwords, or at least have a record of what everyone is using. I have 3 other systems that I need to keep passwords synced with and currently they are not LDAP capable. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Jun 30 18:28:55 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:28:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos4 and AD (Fedora Directory Server) In-Reply-To: <1120153239.4311.250.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20050630160035.B839874332@hormel.redhat.com> <1120153239.4311.250.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <200506301428.55951.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Henry, > I am interested in the active directory > sync abilities. I want to use it to replicate all my users from AD over > to Fedora Directory Server ... Me, too. I've installed and am learning FDS on a CentOS 3 box. Would this potentially serve as a BDC? Dimitri From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 19:01:07 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: <42C427B4.9030005@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050630190107.5499.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Petre. You need lots O' ram. Do to your budget constraint, you might have to sacrifice some CPU power, but that's ok since you are going to have a duel CPU setup. I would look into a dual Opteron solution as well. Sometimes AMD is cheaper than Intel. If you are going to have 25 clients, I would look into gigabit on the server and a switch that has gigabit uplinks. I got a 24 10/100 + 2 100/1000 uplink (26 ports total) unmanaged switch from dell a year ago for about $100 (on sale). So consider the cost of new network equipment too. Chris --- Petre Scheie wrote: > I suggest, if possible, getting more RAM; go to 4GB > if you can. The rule of thumb for > memory is 100MB per user, With 20-25 users, you're > already at or over the line, and > that's not even counting some RAM for the basic OS > stuff. If going to 4GB breaks your > budget, consider getting just two drives, instead of > three, in a RAID1 (mirrored) > configuration. You won't have as much disk space, > but that will only eventually, > gradually become a problem; insufficient RAM will be > a problem right from the start. I > would think you'd be able to get through a year with > just two disks, and if they do > start getting full, you can budget for additional or > bigger disks next year. After a > year of use, the people in charge will understand > the idea that the disks might be > filling up. > > Petre > > Joe Augsburger wrote: > > I've been reading the list now for about two > months ago; barely able to spell Linux but a couple > of months ago I 'borrowed' a Dell computer out of > one of my school's labs and installed K12LTSP on it > and have it on my mostly Novell network. We've run a > couple of thin clients at surprising speed with just > this poor workstation-turned-server. Enough to > 'prove' the concept and I've been given----very > rare, here----$3000 to put a real Linux server into > service. > > > > My question, since I've only got one chance to buy > a decent server...what do these specs sound like to > you folks who are more knowlegeable? > > > >>From DAKTech computers (one of my state's > preferred providers) > > > > dual Xeon 2.4 Ghz with 533 fsb > > ultra 320 scsi (three, 36 gb Seagate drives) > > 2 gb RAM > > Intel SRCZRU Dual RAID controller > > Dual integrated Intel Pro 1000+ > > > > maybe add a fiber-optic NIC? > > > > Will this serve 20-25 thin clients (mostly > internet, word processing, etc) acceptably, and does > anyone have experience with this type of RAID > controller? I've read all the posts in the last two > months or so and it seems that some difficulties > exist with linux picking up some RAID controllers. > > > > I appreciate any information you share. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Augsburger > > network admin > > Douglas County SD#15 > > Days Creek, Oregon > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Jun 30 19:22:38 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:22:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? Message-ID: Hi all-- Looking at switching our email over to open source. Looks like we're going with an SME Server with SquirrelMail for that. Our other concern is that since we're leaving an Exchange environment, we need a shared calendar solution. I was looking at possibly outsourcing to a company like Trumba >, but I was hoping to find something similar to it that is either cheap or free, and we can host on-site. Anyone have any ideas? -Nick nicholassantiago technical assistant community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 nsantiago at caclv.org :: www.caclv.org This message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Thu Jun 30 19:28:46 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:28:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendaring solutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050630152846.a77v2rg0cmos444g@webmail.ellsworthschools.org> Horde. http://www.horde.org Their calendar application (kronolith) sounds like exactly what you want. However, I'd recommend using their entire package (webmail, notes, tasks, address book, etc) over SquirrelMail. That way you'll have everything integrated in a nice one-stop application. AFAIK the current release of SME doens't include the newest release of Horde (which has shared calendars). Apparently this script (http://www.contribs.org/contribs/jbennett/install_horde30.sh) will install the newest Horde in SME. (I haven't tried it). -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting "Santiago, Nicholas" : > Hi all-- > > Looking at switching our email over to open source. Looks like we're going > with an SME Server with SquirrelMail for that. > > Our other concern is that since we're leaving an Exchange environment, we > need a shared calendar solution. I was looking at possibly outsourcing to a > company like Trumba >, but > I was hoping to find something similar to it that is either cheap or free, > and we can host on-site. Anyone have any ideas? > > -Nick > > nicholassantiago > technical assistant > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > nsantiago at caclv.org :: > www.caclv.org > > This message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. > They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 30 20:02:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:02:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tweaking Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <20050630112610.2d7f82c2@localhost.localdomain> References: <200506290345.j5T3jqIk000467@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> <20050629000250.69d6edcf@localhost.localdomain> <1120048318.23649.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050630112610.2d7f82c2@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120161719.19012.263.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 11:26, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Jun 29 Les Mikesell wrote: > > Those changes won't hurt anything and might help a bit, but the > > window size change is aimed at increasing the transfer speed of > > a single connection. You are likely to have dozens of concurrent > > connections and won't wait until you've hit the window size on > > all of them. Also, if the other ends are all 100M, you don't > > want to get too far ahead. > > Thanks, Les. So you think I should just leave well enough alone? Or > use his tweaks but with smaller values? I'd leave window size alone. The others shouldn't hurt but probably aren't necessary. You could try them and see if you can tell any difference. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 20:35:23 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:35:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the default desktop background: a test package In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05061702064e810d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b05061702064e810d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050630133531670465@mail.gmail.com> On 17/06/05, Jon Spriggs wrote: > On 17/06/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I think I have a reasonable way to alter the default GNOME desktop > > background image. > For a small change, how about making the script offer a --mandatory > and (default) --nomandatory which would then allow you to force the > change on to all users, or not (as the case may be)? Another possible > change is offering a --colour flag meaning you can do default_desktop > --colour blue giving a solid blue colour. This would cut down the > bandwidth across the network somewhat. If you want, I'll tweak the > script (if you can provide the sources) and I'll feed it back. One naff bit of coding later... tada! What do people think of it? It's not -nomandatory it's just -m or not, -r to revert, and I'm not able to figure out how to recognise colours either yet! Thanks :) -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: default_background URL: From olle at paalalinn.com Thu Jun 30 20:35:29 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:35:29 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc on k12ltsp-4.4.0 beta3 ??? Message-ID: <42C45791.90104@paalalinn.com> Bug or something else? Even if firewall is turned off and vncserver runs, vncviewer still complains that connection refused. And I can't fix it. There is exact dialog: [olle at olle ~]$ vncviewer server VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Apr 27 2005 02:25:46 Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. Thu Jun 30 23:27:55 2005 main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) Olle From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 30 20:44:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:44:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc on k12ltsp-4.4.0 beta3 ??? In-Reply-To: <42C45791.90104@paalalinn.com> References: <42C45791.90104@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <42C4599E.4010605@maltzen.net> What happens if you run vncviwer on the server and try to connect to localhost? In other words, take the network out of the equation. Petre Olle Niit wrote: > Bug or something else? > > Even if firewall is turned off and vncserver runs, vncviewer still > complains that connection refused. > And I can't fix it. > > There is exact dialog: > > [olle at olle ~]$ vncviewer server > > VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Apr 27 2005 02:25:46 > Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd. > See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. > > Thu Jun 30 23:27:55 2005 > main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) > > Olle > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From m3freak at rogers.com Thu Jun 30 20:47:01 2005 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:47:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120164421.4726.22.camel@krs> On Thu, 2005-30-06 at 09:52 -0700, Joe Augsburger wrote: > dual Xeon 2.4 Ghz with 533 fsb > ultra 320 scsi (three, 36 gb Seagate drives) > 2 gb RAM > Intel SRCZRU Dual RAID controller > Dual integrated Intel Pro 1000+ For 20 - 25 users, I'd make the following changes: - Dual Xeon 2.4 GHz or Dual AMD Opteron 248 (2.2 GHz) - 2 x 73 GB 10K RPM SCSI, RAID 1 - 2.5 to 3 GB RAM The other items look fine. You need speed on a Linux terminal server, so RAID 1 would be a better choice (IMO). Since you're losing space by moving to RAID 1, move up to 73 GB drives. Use LVM to partition the drives, and you'll be able to move partitions around easily, as needed. I'm basing the RAM requirements on: - 512 MB for the distro itself - 50 MB for each user 2 GB will be just enough for your needs, but it's cutting it too close. If you can, add another 512 MB at least, and 1 GB to be safe. After that, watch system usage and add more RAM as you need it. The more RAM, the better, though with a tight budget, you might have a hard time putting in 4 GB. If you can do 4 GB, go for it! > Will this serve 20-25 thin clients (mostly internet, word processing, > etc) acceptably, Should be screaming...really. :) I'm confident it will work well with the above hardware setup. > and does anyone have experience with this type of RAID controller? > I've read all the posts in the last two months or so and it seems that > some difficulties exist with linux picking up some RAID controllers. I personally like the LSI cards. HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 30 20:34:16 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:34:16 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk-add script problem with SMB/LDAPInstallerfromOquist Message-ID: <200506302242.j5UMgrW20601@downeast.net> i dont know just how you have your directory set up but fwiw i have my script set up to create just one password for all users, with prompt for pw change at first login for all users..So i really dont care what pw they put in at start of school year..If they forget i just reset sambaPassworustChange back to 0 set the pw back to the original ..and they take care of themselves..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jeffnels at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 23:44:19 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:44:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with iptables Message-ID: Hi all, We've been having some problems with iptables on our K12LTSP system. It doesn't save the firewall, even with "service iptables save," so when the server is rebooted or if anyone does "service network restart," the iptables rules are somehow flushed and we have to run the firewall script again manually. We're running a pretty stock K12LTSP 4.2.1. Kernel-2.6.10 Does anyone have an idea as to what could be going wrong? Thanks, Jeff Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: