From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Apr 1 00:02:03 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:02:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd Message-ID: <1143849723.19310.11.camel@server1.cisna> Hi Antonella, Sorry for the misinformation. Yes it is a floppy image. I kept refering to a cd image, dont know why, Once you get the hang of using eb_to_hd you can setup a hard drive in less than 5 mins. Whats sweet about it the floppy id's what NIC you have and loads the appropriate etherboot image for that nic, with no "fishing around". you simply boot up with the floppy. you'll have to temporarily connect a floppydrive to each terminal you are going to etherboot-to HD with. -3- steps and your HD is prepped-the floppy automagically formats a partition with a 5Mb partition for first step. 1. clear the hard drive with the floppy,and it formats the hd. 2. you reboot and the floppy id's your nic and installs the correct etherboot image to HD. 3, you take the floppy out.reboot the terminal and if you have it plugged into your K12LTSP network,,your going to boot to the K12LTSP server. 5 mins or less to do each HD. -only caveat is you need to have a pci nic- Good luck, let me know if you have any probs. Barry Cisna From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Sat Apr 1 00:52:14 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:52:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] using yum to update k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <442D6666.3030902@sd64.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20060401005214.87837.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com> I recall having this error after updating one of our 4.2.1 servers (we have four k12ltsp servers w/ a single ldap server) there were a bunch of long error message dialogs talking about gconfd and gdm. I think removing the temp files on that server for the user fixed the problem rm -R -f /tmp/*username* Maurice Last wrote: I ran "yum update" on one of our servers (k12ltsp 4.2.0) and it broke the users gnome desktops- a bunch of error messages on login and no menu/task bars. Is there a quick fix for this? thanks -- Maurice Last ICT Curriculum Implementation Coordinator, Electronic Systems Coordinator, and Teacher Gulf Islands Secondary School and School District 64 (Gulf Islands) Saltspring Island BC Canada _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Sat Apr 1 01:23:24 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:23:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? Message-ID: <20060401012324.80139.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for a software system/framework that I can configure to create a school web site where content can be easily updated by non-technical students, teachers and administrators. Our school will only have about 350 students k-12 so scalability is not a huge concern. The main goal is that information can be easily changed and updated by students and administrators. Our current web site created by a parent volunteer is here: www.trilliumcharterschool.org and is hosted by www.onsmart.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Apr 1 01:49:50 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:49:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> < > <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Generally speaking....fast hard drives (I use SCSI, but SATA might work).....gigabit ethernet....I have 500+ users and I have a dual Xeon with 2 gb RAM, but you should be OK with something like a high end P4 or AMD with around a gig of RAM. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sat Apr 1 02:13:38 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:13:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? In-Reply-To: <20060401012324.80139.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060401012324.80139.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1143857618.26826.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nick, I would definitely go with a CMS website. Joomla, Mambo and Website Baker are free CMS systems. You could also use Moodle also. All are quite easy to use. Here are examples: Frontend http://demo.mamboserver.com/ Backend Administration http://demo.mamboserver.com/administrator/ (The username is admin and the password is admin) -Paul On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 17:23 -0800, Nick Fenger wrote: > I am looking for a software system/framework that I can configure to > create a school web site where content can be easily updated by > non-technical students, teachers and administrators. > > Our school will only have about 350 students k-12 so scalability is > not a huge concern. The main goal is that information can be easily > changed and updated by students and administrators. > > Our current web site created by a parent volunteer is here: > www.trilliumcharterschool.org and is hosted by www.onsmart.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From edward at netday.org.za Sat Apr 1 05:02:27 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:02:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd In-Reply-To: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> References: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <90DBDDD2-47EB-4465-A4DD-19BCF8A0D805@netday.org.za> Hi On 31 Mar 2006, at 10:00 PM, antonello wrote: > I think I must have read somewhere in this list about the > possibility of installing the boot sequence on a minimal hd in the > thin client, thus avoiding the use of floppies or bootable nics. > Any ideas? Andy Rabagliati of Wizzy fame has set up a VERY easy little routine for doing this down here in South Africa. Check out http:// www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ for an overview and a downloadable utility that practically does it all for you. He also lists links to a range of alternative techniques for doing this. cheers ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From haysja at sages.us Sat Apr 1 13:13:06 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:13:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? In-Reply-To: <20060401012324.80139.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060401012324.80139.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1143897186.442e7c62417cf@sages.us> Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ Quoting Nick Fenger : > I am looking for a software system/framework that I can configure to create a > school web site where content can be easily updated by non-technical > students, teachers and administrators. > > Our school will only have about 350 students k-12 so scalability is not a > huge concern. The main goal is that information can be easily changed and > updated by students and administrators. > > Our current web site created by a parent volunteer is here: > www.trilliumcharterschool.org and is hosted by www.onsmart.com > > > > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 1 16:45:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages Message-ID: I built packages from yesterday's LTSP CVS & a new kernel for the terminals. If you have a K12LTSP 5.0 test build installed, you can run "yum update" to install the updated packages. They work for me, let me know if they work for you ;-) -Eric From mlast at sd64.bc.ca Sat Apr 1 17:23:18 2006 From: mlast at sd64.bc.ca (Maurice Last) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:23:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] using yum to update k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <20060401005214.87837.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060401005214.87837.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442EB706.6040200@sd64.bc.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piritarodo at hotmail.com Sat Apr 1 17:53:02 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:53:02 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Source Repository for RedHat LTSP Message-ID: Hi Iam looking for source repositories (with LTSP apps/utilities/programs/games/etc) for my sources.list file for APT-GET. I have RedHat Fedora core 4 LTSP 4.4.1 Thans a lot _________________________________________________________________ S? uno de los primeros a testar el Windows Live Messenger beta. http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=es-ar From moquist at majen.net Sat Apr 1 17:58:07 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:58:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> > From: Jim Hays > Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ I was going to say it but Jim got to it first. :) I second the motion - use Moodle. It might be a while but it looks like Moodle's heading toward having much better definition of roles and permissions, so that you can give parents specific types of access, etc. Moodle is what I would use. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 1 18:23:56 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:23:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO wish In-Reply-To: <442D9CEF.2030708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <442D9CEF.2030708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1143915835.25318.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 15:19, Eric Harrison wrote: > Making a DVD iso is easy. The main problem has been the storage space. > > I have not decided if I'll make DVDs for K12LTSP 5.0, although I am > currently leaning towards yes. K12linux.mesd.k12.or.us is on a new > server that has quite a bit of free space, but that space goes real fast > when each build takes up +20Gigs... In case you run out of other things to do... Another fun thing to have would be a vmware image of your latest version that would run under the free vmplayer or server. There are some FC5 images around already. Is it possible to turn an installed FC5 into k12ltsp with some 'yum install' invocation? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Sat Apr 1 18:25:55 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:25:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] using yum to update k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <442EB706.6040200@sd64.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20060401182555.2566.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com> Maurice, Sorry, this was some time ago and I know I never discovered the cause of the problem. I do recall creating a new user on the ldap server and seeing if that user can log in w/o problems. I know the yum update reset any changes I made to make icewm my default session. I also had problems with the last option on the session menu (terminal login screen). See if you can get it to work by manually setting session and language settings on the login screen. I do recall my thoughts on this were that I had a user account that had configuration settings for a previous version of k12ltsp. I know I did reinstall k12ltsp from scratch on that server but I can't remember if it was due to this problem. Nick Maurice Last wrote: Nick Fenger wrote: I recall having this error after updating one of our 4.2.1 servers (we have four k12ltsp servers w/ a single ldap server) there were a bunch of long error message dialogs talking about gconfd and gdm. I think removing the temp files on that server for the user fixed the problem rm -R -f /tmp/*username* Thanks. But I did as suggested, and the problem still exists. Any other suggestions? maurice Maurice Last wrote: I ran "yum update" on one of our servers (k12ltsp 4.2.0) and it broke the users gnome desktops- a bunch of error messages on login and no menu/task bars. Is there a quick fix for this? thanks -- Maurice Last ICT Curriculum Implementation Coordinator, Electronic Systems Coordinator, and Teacher Gulf Islands Secondary School and School District 64 (Gulf Islands) Saltspring Island BC Canada _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Maurice Last ICT Curriculum Implementation Coordinator, Electronic Systems Coordinator, and Teacher Gulf Islands Secondary School and School District 64 (Gulf Islands) Saltspring Island BC Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 1 18:27:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:27:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ISO wish In-Reply-To: <1143915835.25318.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <442D9CEF.2030708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1143915835.25318.52.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > In case you run out of other things to do... Another fun thing > to have would be a vmware image of your latest version that > would run under the free vmplayer or server. There are some > FC5 images around already. Is it possible to turn an installed > FC5 into k12ltsp with some 'yum install' invocation? http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation Note that this works just as well for converting a stock i386 Fedora install to K12LTSP. -Eric From roy at mpk.com Sat Apr 1 18:35:05 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:35:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604011829.k31ITttx014540@mx3.redhat.com> Everything seems the same except I have no audio now. When the clients are booting I see an error saying something about an esd file missing. Where is the boot log info so I can tell you exactly? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages I built packages from yesterday's LTSP CVS & a new kernel for the terminals. If you have a K12LTSP 5.0 test build installed, you can run "yum update" to install the updated packages. They work for me, let me know if they work for you ;-) -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sat Apr 1 18:40:28 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:40:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP Message-ID: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hi all, In between moving house and getting together my KDE-centric version of K12LTSP, I managed to find time to throw together an announcement for an entirely different way to put together a terminal server. Some of the advantages of this terminal server project are a very familiar user interface, a surfeit of available packages, and excellent paid support program. On the downside, it may be more expensive in terms of server hardware requirements and software cost, the UI isn't nearly as usable as KDE or even Gnome, and the paid support staffer may speak a language other than the one you expect. It's also worth noting that I haven't yet audited this implementation for security, so use at your own risk. More details at my website here: http://www.taupehat.com/k12wtsp/ Cheers, Mike Ely From tim at litwiller.net Sat Apr 1 19:24:29 2006 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:24:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP In-Reply-To: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442ED36D.5070603@litwiller.net> Happy April Fools day to you too. :) Mike Ely wrote: > Hi all, > > In between moving house and getting together my KDE-centric version of > K12LTSP, I managed to find time to throw together an announcement for an > entirely different way to put together a terminal server. Some of the > advantages of this terminal server project are a very familiar user > interface, a surfeit of available packages, and excellent paid support > program. On the downside, it may be more expensive in terms of server > hardware requirements and software cost, the UI isn't nearly as usable > as KDE or even Gnome, and the paid support staffer may speak a language > other than the one you expect. It's also worth noting that I haven't > yet audited this implementation for security, so use at your own risk. > > More details at my website here: > http://www.taupehat.com/k12wtsp/ > > Cheers, > Mike Ely > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 1 19:36:14 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:36:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages Message-ID: Hi Eric- ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Updating: ltsp_i386 noarch 4.2-0d.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 86 M ltsp_i386-boot i386 2.6.16-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 13 M As I type this the new packages are coming in. I'll let you know. Wierdly, last night, my wife and I both had our little hp t5515 clients drop their connections at the same time. Our home network was considered stable until then!! I'll let you know how things go. Jim --------------------------------------------------------- I built packages from yesterday's LTSP CVS & a new kernel for the terminals. If you have a K12LTSP 5.0 test build installed, you can run "yum update" to install the updated packages. They work for me, let me know if they work for you ;-) -Eric From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 1 19:43:26 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:43:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, sound work for me with the new packages, Eric & Roy... Listening to streaming radio right now. Jim ------------------------------------------ From: "Jim Christiansen" Reply-To: jim at linux.ca To: k12osn at redhat.com, jim at linux.ca Subject: RE: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:36:14 -0700 Hi Eric- ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Updating: ltsp_i386 noarch 4.2-0d.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 86 M ltsp_i386-boot i386 2.6.16-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 13 M As I type this the new packages are coming in. I'll let you know. Wierdly, last night, my wife and I both had our little hp t5515 clients drop their connections at the same time. Our home network was considered stable until then!! I'll let you know how things go. Jim --------------------------------------------------------- I built packages from yesterday's LTSP CVS & a new kernel for the terminals. If you have a K12LTSP 5.0 test build installed, you can run "yum update" to install the updated packages. They work for me, let me know if they work for you ;-) -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Apr 1 19:05:28 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:05:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP Message-ID: <20060401120527.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d6dca2385b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Real Funny!! No thanks... I'll stay with something that is a little more admin friendly! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP > From: Mike Ely > Date: Sat, April 01, 2006 12:40 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Hi all, > > In between moving house and getting together my KDE-centric version of > K12LTSP, I managed to find time to throw together an announcement for an > entirely different way to put together a terminal server. Some of the > advantages of this terminal server project are a very familiar user > interface, a surfeit of available packages, and excellent paid support > program. On the downside, it may be more expensive in terms of server > hardware requirements and software cost, the UI isn't nearly as usable > as KDE or even Gnome, and the paid support staffer may speak a language > other than the one you expect. It's also worth noting that I haven't > yet audited this implementation for security, so use at your own risk. > > More details at my website here: > http://www.taupehat.com/k12wtsp/ > > Cheers, > Mike Ely > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roy at mpk.com Sat Apr 1 23:22:57 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:22:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604012317.k31NHot3008147@mx1.redhat.com> I still haven't figured out how to view the client boot log info. I tried "tail -f /var/log/messages" but it really doesn't show everything. Is there another way to capture the actual client boot log (like dmesg)? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Jim Christiansen [mailto:christiansen_j at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:43 PM To: jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.com; roy at mpk.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages OK, sound work for me with the new packages, Eric & Roy... Listening to streaming radio right now. Jim ------------------------------------------ From: "Jim Christiansen" Reply-To: jim at linux.ca To: k12osn at redhat.com, jim at linux.ca Subject: RE: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:36:14 -0700 Hi Eric- ============================================================================ = Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================ = Updating: ltsp_i386 noarch 4.2-0d.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 86 M ltsp_i386-boot i386 2.6.16-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0 k12ltsp 13 M As I type this the new packages are coming in. I'll let you know. Wierdly, last night, my wife and I both had our little hp t5515 clients drop their connections at the same time. Our home network was considered stable until then!! I'll let you know how things go. Jim --------------------------------------------------------- I built packages from yesterday's LTSP CVS & a new kernel for the terminals. If you have a K12LTSP 5.0 test build installed, you can run "yum update" to install the updated packages. They work for me, let me know if they work for you ;-) -Eric From milanofabio at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 00:20:10 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:20:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0604011620p1a18bd7ak8626f29472317887@mail.gmail.com> thnks David On 3/31/06, David Trask wrote: > Generally speaking....fast hard drives (I use SCSI, but SATA might > work).....gigabit ethernet....I have 500+ users and I have a dual Xeon > with 2 gb RAM, but you should be OK with something like a high end P4 or > AMD with around a gig of RAM. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 2 01:23:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages In-Reply-To: <200604012317.k31NHot3008147@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604012317.k31NHot3008147@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Roy wrote: > I still haven't figured out how to view the client boot log info. I tried > "tail -f /var/log/messages" but it really doesn't show everything. Is there > another way to capture the actual client boot log (like dmesg)? Uncomment the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf SCREEN_02 = shell and reboot the terminal. Once the terminal has rebooted, you can hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a shell on the terminal. There you can run dmesg. Alt-F1 will get you back to X. -Eric From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Apr 2 04:52:21 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:52:21 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP In-Reply-To: <442ED36D.5070603@litwiller.net> References: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <442ED36D.5070603@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <442F5885.7080901@orcon.net.nz> That's a good one! :-) Tim Litwiller wrote: > Happy April Fools day to you too. :) > > Mike Ely wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> In between moving house and getting together my KDE-centric version of >> K12LTSP, I managed to find time to throw together an announcement for an >> entirely different way to put together a terminal server. Some of the >> advantages of this terminal server project are a very familiar user >> interface, a surfeit of available packages, and excellent paid support >> program. On the downside, it may be more expensive in terms of server >> hardware requirements and software cost, the UI isn't nearly as usable >> as KDE or even Gnome, and the paid support staffer may speak a language >> other than the one you expect. It's also worth noting that I haven't >> yet audited this implementation for security, so use at your own risk. >> >> More details at my website here: >> http://www.taupehat.com/k12wtsp/ >> >> Cheers, >> Mike Ely >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roy at mpk.com Sun Apr 2 05:27:46 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:27:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604020527.k325RiXF004008@mx3.redhat.com> Thanks Eric. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:23 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: jim at linux.ca Subject: RE: [K12OSN] A couple new FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Roy wrote: > I still haven't figured out how to view the client boot log info. I tried > "tail -f /var/log/messages" but it really doesn't show everything. Is there > another way to capture the actual client boot log (like dmesg)? Uncomment the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf SCREEN_02 = shell and reboot the terminal. Once the terminal has rebooted, you can hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a shell on the terminal. There you can run dmesg. Alt-F1 will get you back to X. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From stekha at mweb.co.zw Sun Apr 2 06:33:13 2006 From: stekha at mweb.co.zw (Steve and Khanya) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:33:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> Message-ID: <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> Matt Oquist wrote: >> From: Jim Hays >> Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ >> > > I was going to say it but Jim got to it first. :) > > I second the motion - use Moodle. It might be a while but it looks > like Moodle's heading toward having much better definition of roles > and permissions, so that you can give parents specific types of > access, etc. Moodle is what I would use. > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > Dokeos is good and lighter for a smaller base www.dokeos.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ NOD32 1.1463 (20060330) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sun Apr 2 12:56:54 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:56:54 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Internet cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39263.200.164.123.148.1143982614.squirrel@popmail9.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 13:55:15 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:55:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> Message-ID: <464c38cc0604020655q586377a9u864a75dfe75abacc@mail.gmail.com> I don't agree. While I use Moodle for a bunch of things, I wouldn't recommend it for a regular school website. Although you can do it, I see it as using the wrong tool for the job. Any of the CMSs a better suited for the job. phpWebsite, Joomla, WebSite Baker, Drupal, Xoops, or just plain old good html coding. Just my 3 cents. Tim On 4/2/06, Steve and Khanya wrote: > Matt Oquist wrote: > >> From: Jim Hays > >> Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ > >> > > > > I was going to say it but Jim got to it first. :) > > > > I second the motion - use Moodle. It might be a while but it looks > > like Moodle's heading toward having much better definition of roles > > and permissions, so that you can give parents specific types of > > access, etc. Moodle is what I would use. > > > > --matt > > > > -- > > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > > http://majen.net/ > > > > Dokeos is good and lighter for a smaller base www.dokeos.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1463 (20060330) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From piritarodo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 18:18:21 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:18:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA 2 in RedHat Fedora 4 ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <39263.200.164.123.148.1143982614.squirrel@popmail9.pop.com.br> Message-ID: Hello everybody I want to know if someone have any problem/issue installing RedHat Fedora core 4 with LTSP 4.4.1 WITH SATA II onboard controller RAID 0 (with motherboard K8N Neo with athlon 64 939 Venice 3000+) I am going to buy this mother with two 160GB Seagate Hard Disks SATA 2 so I want to be sure that it is supported by the O.S if not Iam going to buy just SATA H.D. Thanks a lot for your answers _________________________________________________________________ Las mejores tiendas, los precios mas bajos, entregas en todo el mundo, YupiMSN Compras: http://latam.msn.com/compras/ From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Apr 2 21:59:05 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:59:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0604020655q586377a9u864a75dfe75abacc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> <464c38cc0604020655q586377a9u864a75dfe75abacc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144015145.9347.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I agree with Tim. I did earlier say you *could* use Moodle but I would definitely go with Joomla, Mambo or Website Baker (or any others that Tim has mentioned). You can give permission based access with these programs the same way you can in Moodle. Although you can use Moodle for a website, it really is what it is and that is a course management system, not a content management system. Either is your choice, but I have personally used Moodle, Joomla, Mambo and Website Baker and think for a website you'll be happier with Joomla or others mentioned based off of my experience. -Paul To get an idea of what Moodle is like as a website go here: www.nelinux.net On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 09:55 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > I don't agree. While I use Moodle for a bunch of things, I wouldn't > recommend it for a regular school website. Although you can do it, I > see it as using the wrong tool for the job. Any of the CMSs a better > suited for the job. phpWebsite, Joomla, WebSite Baker, Drupal, Xoops, > or just plain old good html coding. Just my 3 cents. > > Tim > > On 4/2/06, Steve and Khanya wrote: > > Matt Oquist wrote: > > >> From: Jim Hays > > >> Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ > > >> > > > > > > I was going to say it but Jim got to it first. :) > > > > > > I second the motion - use Moodle. It might be a while but it looks > > > like Moodle's heading toward having much better definition of roles > > > and permissions, so that you can give parents specific types of > > > access, etc. Moodle is what I would use. > > > > > > --matt > > > > > > -- > > > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > > > http://majen.net/ > > > > > > Dokeos is good and lighter for a smaller base www.dokeos.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1463 (20060330) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From karisue at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 22:30:07 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 17:30:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <1144015145.9347.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> <464c38cc0604020655q586377a9u864a75dfe75abacc@mail.gmail.com> <1144015145.9347.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I am using Joomla to develop ours. It's a piece of cake -- I am developing it rapidly, and the staff loves the ease of use. kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At one point I >remember going to /etc/X11/dgm/gdm.conf and changing the default, >but I've since restored the original value... > >Help! > >Cheers >Alan A Hodson >El Paso ISD, TX >http://links.episd.org >aahodson at episd dot org >-=o=- From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 01:44:11 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:44:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome *AND* IcWM in K12LTSP 4.4.2 (II) Message-ID: Hi Alan, There is a section in the K12LTSP wiki that shows how to disable desktop managers. Also, there are some k12ltsp configs in /etc/sysconfig you can edit to purge processes and allow/disable gnome/nautalis features. Have you tried these? This is where I'ld start. Jim As per my usual, I'll repost hoping someone will help cheers alan -=o=- Hi list Somehow I have managed to slow down a server's performance by having both Gnome and IceWM running at the same time, and forcing the students to log off twice, etc. I need some direction in how to completely eliminate IceWM from coming up and getting in the way of every user... At one point I remember going to /etc/X11/dgm/gdm.conf and changing the default, but I've since restored the original value... Help! Cheers Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org aahodson at episd dot org -=o=- From edward at netday.org.za Mon Apr 3 05:31:56 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:31:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing issue? Message-ID: Hi list I am using 4.4.1 with two NICs. Eth0 is the LTSP network. Eth1 is a broadband internet connection, setup using the xDSL wizard, thus acting as ppp0. All my thin clients can access the web fine, but the fat clients (both Windows and Mac) on the same network cannot. I suspect this may be a routing issue, but have no idea how to fix it. Found an article on the RedHat site about routing between two NICs on one PC, applied the settings to force ppp0 to be the default gateway. To no avail. What am I missing here? cheers ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 3 05:34:15 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:34:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144042455.8200.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 00:31, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi list > > I am using 4.4.1 with two NICs. Eth0 is the LTSP network. Eth1 is a > broadband internet connection, setup using the xDSL wizard, thus > acting as ppp0. > > All my thin clients can access the web fine, but the fat clients > (both Windows and Mac) on the same network cannot. I suspect this may > be a routing issue, but have no idea how to fix it. Found an article > on the RedHat site about routing between two NICs on one PC, applied > the settings to force ppp0 to be the default gateway. To no avail. > > What am I missing here? Look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat. You'll need to change the PUBLIC_ETHERNET setting to your ppp0 device instead, then 'service nat restart'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From Audun.Wangen at kongsvinger.kommune.no Mon Apr 3 06:25:48 2006 From: Audun.Wangen at kongsvinger.kommune.no (Audun Wangen) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:25:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? Message-ID: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > I am looking for a software system/framework that I can configure to > create a school web site where content can be easily updated by > non-technical students, teachers and administrators. We use eZ Publish, but it really depends what you want to use it for. If you want to use it for educational material, my choice would probably be a wiki. A demo of eZ Publish can be found at http://ez.no/products/ez_publish/demo if you want to try it out. -- Audun Wangen From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Apr 3 08:28:40 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:28:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless presenter on a thin client In-Reply-To: <35716.201.8.82.54.1143841758.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <200603311832.AA1639514346@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <35716.201.8.82.54.1143841758.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <200604030828.40843.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 31 Mar 2006 21:49, you wrote: > The page says "Integrated 2.4GHz wireless technology: provides true freedom > for effective presentations of up to 15 meters" > > > So unless the teacher is going over 15 meters there should be no problem, > is he trying to control the through objects (like sitting down on a chair > with 10 computers in front of the device) that could block the reach of the > radio wave. Signal is fine; it is something funny on the client. As I said originally the presenter works fine on a stand alone Linux box and a wireless mouse works fine on the client, although the range is very limited. I'm guessing that the client doesn't like this particular device, which I don't understand as I though all USB mice were the same, ie you plug them in and they just work. > Has anyone got one to work? > Here is our scenario. Teachers have thin clients > on their desks, to which is connected a projector > via a VGA splitter. This all works fine; they > can show via the projector, what is on their > screens. > > One of the teachers wants to be able to walk > around and control this mouse, to show the boys > what to click on. Our clients have PS/2 mice and > USB ports and we noticed that if you plug a USB > mouse in, it works fine - having two mice on a > client is great fun :-) > > Next we tried a wireless mouse (normal PC type) > with a USB receiver and this too worked fine, > except the range was very limited. Finally we > purchased one of these www.targus.com/uk/ > product_details.asp?sku=AMP02EU and plugged it > in. The mouse pointed can be moved vertically > but not horizontally. On a stand alone linux box > it works perfectly. Is this a client problem, or > a problem with the device? We were expecting it > just to work, especially as USB mice do. > > Help! -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 11:52:13 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:52:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0604030452n316d1ce8j1628dcc6b2988df4@mail.gmail.com> Just in case no one has heard of it before, www.opensourcecms.com has a demo of the more popular CMSs. On 4/3/06, Audun Wangen wrote: > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > > I am looking for a software system/framework that I can configure to > > create a school web site where content can be easily updated by > > non-technical students, teachers and administrators. > > We use eZ Publish, but it really depends what you want to use it for. If > you want to use it for educational material, my choice would probably be > a wiki. > > A demo of eZ Publish can be found at > http://ez.no/products/ez_publish/demo if you want to try it out. > > -- > Audun Wangen > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 3 13:18:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:18:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Announce: K12WTSP In-Reply-To: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <442EC91C.7030700@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060403131611.M1300@winonacotter.org> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:40:28 -0800, Mike Ely wrote > Hi all, > > In between moving house and getting together my KDE-centric version > of K12LTSP, I managed to find time to throw together an announcement > for an entirely different way to put together a terminal server. It is an early and slow Monday for me today. I wasn't exactly fully awake and then I read your post. I almost started a flaming message back to you but decided to read the other posts to see if anyone else already covered my bases. Then I realized you sent it on April Fools day. You got me :-) Thanks for the wake up! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 3 15:09:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:09:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Northeast Linux Symposium shaping up nicely! Hope you can come! Message-ID: For more information and to register visit http://www.nelinux.net (sign up soon!) Hello everyone! I hope that everyone is enjoying the warm spring weather! I'm taking a few days off from the classroom and heading to LinuxWorld in Boston. I had a blast last year and learned a lot. Hopefully I may see some of you there too! This years Linux Syposium is shaping up very nicely! I'm particularly excited about the offerings at UNH and the new "Teacher Track" at Gould Academy. Matt is working very hard at lining up great presenters for all of the sessions. I think you'll be very impressed this year as Matt and I have gotten a great head start in the planning process. Teambuilding and planning! One of the biggest things we've seen in the past symposia is the aspect of teambuilding and planning. As the years have progressed (the Gould conference is going into it's fourth year!) we have noticed more and more districts sending teams of tech people to the conference. The end result is that these folks learned new things and had the time to sit, discuss, and plan together. We present a nice releaxed atmosphere (with GREAT food) for folks to chat with others about what they are doing in their schools and to bounce ideas off one another. Tech folks and teachers will get a chance to work together and discuss the direction and role of technology in their schools without "rules" or being in a "committee".....you'll simply have time...time to talk and get excited about all the new possibilities! More about the sessions... Each symposium will have a "beginners track" consisting of: Day 1: Intro to Linux (Fedora Core & Ubuntu) Day 2: Linux Terminal Services (K12LTSP & Edubuntu) Day 3: More LTSP &/or SME Server This is designed specifically for the total newbie to get from ground zero up to having configured a server and having some understanding of how to administer it. This is the oldest part of the symposia; it's the core of what's been going on at Gould for the past three years. The symposia are intended to be very hands-on, so that you can bring your future servers (or a spare laptop if you prefer to move around less hardware) and actually install and configure the software under discussion during the sessions you attend. In a way it's like Linux boot camp, but with a highly cooperative environment. We design the symposia so that people can and should benefit very highly from attending both. Some sessions will be repeated, and attending the introductory track at both symposia would probably be redundant (unless you install Ubuntu and Edubuntu the first time, and Fedora Core and K12LTSP the second). BUT many of the other sessions that will be repeated will have a specifically different focus the second time, and in any case you could attend the intro track at Gould and move on to one of the more advanced tracks at UNH. Also of note: Both symposia will feature sessions on how to integrate Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X into the same network. We'll learn about deployment, authentication, profiles....and much more! For teachers: Being a classroom teacher myself I'm really excited about the prospect of seeing many folks just like me at the "teacher track" sessions at Gould Academy. We'll be learning all about Free and Open Source software and how you can easily integrate it into your classrooms. We'll learn about software not only for Linux, but for Windows and Mac OS X as well. We'll show you how you can make this software available to your students so they can use it at home! (Just think....if a kid doesn't have MS Office at home...you can provide them with a free alternative that's just as good or better!) You'll learn how to save a bundle of $$$ so you can spend it more wisely on other things for your classrooms. Moodle? This is my first year using Moodle in my own classes. I like it so much that I'm now teaching classes in my own district on how to use it! We have fantastic presenters for the Moodle sessions! More about UNH: This will be the first symposium at UNH. Many folks had asked for a symposium in southern NH for the folks from Southern NH, Mass, Vermont, and Southern Maine (and anywhere else). Rather than simply duplicate the Gould Academy symposium, Matt and I felt it would be beneficial to design them so that they complement each other. UNH will have tracks that are more focused on "tech" end of things. Scripting, system set-up and administration...etc. UNH will also feature the "core" sessions designed for the folks who have never used Linux before or feel they'd like to learn more about the basics. Some of the cool things you'll learn: Scripting....learn how to automate just about any task you can think of! Free internet content filter (stop paying big bucks for content filtering) You'll get better results...have more control and use better blacklists than the commercial offerings! K12 Linux Terminal Server Project! (turn old computer into new powerful thin clients! Leverage more tech $$$ and provide more access in your school!) Free mail server, web server, and much more! Participate in the development of a Student Information System (SIS)! (the SchoolTool folks will be conducting a development sprint at UNH....you get to see your ideas go into a program!) and so much more! For more information and to register visit http://www.nelinux.net also....if you have any questions...feel free to ask myself (dtrask at vcsvikings.org) or Matt Oquist (moquist at majen.net)....we'll be happy to answer them for you. Hope you can join us! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 3 15:35:31 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What would you use to build a school web site? In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0604030452n316d1ce8j1628dcc6b2988df4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060403153531.26085.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Probably not what you want to hear, but aside from the main school website, I would recommend that kids are taught HTML with a text editor. They might not be given access to change the whole site, but it is generally a good idea to have sections that are created by the students and for the students. ;) Of course the content needs to be monitored, but that is a different story. Also, as something else a bit off topic, we are also running OpenAdmin (richtech.ca/openadmin) for a Student Information System. It keeps track of student demographics, marks, report cards, and even has a grade book. What does this have to do with a school website? It is entirely web-based so not only teachers and admin can use it, but also students and parents can check marks online. -Kevin --- Timothy Hart wrote: > Just in case no one has heard of it before, > www.opensourcecms.com has > a demo of the more popular CMSs. > > On 4/3/06, Audun Wangen > wrote: > > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > > > I am looking for a software system/framework > that I can configure to > > > create a school web site where content can be > easily updated by > > > non-technical students, teachers and > administrators. > > > > We use eZ Publish, but it really depends what you > want to use it for. If > > you want to use it for educational material, my > choice would probably be > > a wiki. > > > > A demo of eZ Publish can be found at > > http://ez.no/products/ez_publish/demo if you want > to try it out. > > > > -- > > Audun Wangen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 16:21:29 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:21:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking for students!) Message-ID: NECC, the National Educational Computing Conference, the world's largest educational technology conference for teachers and technology coordinators, is being held in San Diego this summer: July 5 - 7. We have two unique opportunities to present Free and Open Source Software solutions for schools. First, we will have a 20-computer lab running Linux thin client that will be used as a hands-on presentation area, complete with microphone and projector. The presenters in this area will have 1-hour time slots concurrent with the overall larger show sessions, *and* will be included in the official NECC program listings. There are 13 of these 1-hour slots, of which three or four are not spoken for at this point. If you are interested in presenting during one of these time slots, I need to hear from you this week so that I can give you instructions on submitting your proposal online by this coming Friday. Please contact me directly. Second, NECC is providing us with a "playground" center. This is a set of 6 booths where particular products or technologies can be showcased continuously. These are available during the whole show, and will need to be staffed the whole time. I'm thinking we could have booths for: Open Office, SchoolTool, Edubuntu/Ubuntu, Moodle, Blogging, Python, MySQL, Mambo/Joomla, ? These would be perfect for students to come and help man the booths and answer questions. I think this is a wonderful addition to what NECC has provided in the past. We don't have the same Friday deadline to make these arrangements, but I would like to hear back quickly from those who would be willing to come and help manage a booth. Looking forward to hearing from you! Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct From margus at yx.ee Mon Apr 3 17:54:01 2006 From: margus at yx.ee (Margus Veer) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:54:01 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP with FC5 Message-ID: <00ac01c65747$977cf080$2801a8c0@marx> Can I already find somewhere LTSP ISO-s with FC5 - whatever that's new version number conabe (old with FC4 = 4.4.1 :-)) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlast at sd64.bc.ca Mon Apr 3 19:38:57 2006 From: mlast at sd64.bc.ca (Maurice Last) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:38:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What would you use to build a school web site? (Jim Hays) In-Reply-To: <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> References: <20060401170050.F10BE736CA@hormel.redhat.com> <20060401175807.GA4030@majen.net> <442F7029.70202@mweb.co.zw> Message-ID: <443179D1.4080002@sd64.bc.ca> Steve and Khanya wrote: > Matt Oquist wrote: >>> From: Jim Hays >>> Try Moodle. http://moodle.org/ >>> >> >> I was going to say it but Jim got to it first. :) >> >> I second the motion - use Moodle. It might be a while but it looks >> like Moodle's heading toward having much better definition of roles >> and permissions, so that you can give parents specific types of >> access, etc. Moodle is what I would use. >> >> --matt >> >> -- >> Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >> http://majen.net/ >> Dokeos is good and lighter for a smaller base www.dokeos.com >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1463 (20060330) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > We are using ATutor for our course management system. It has some features that made it more attractive than Moodle for us. However if it is a school web page that is wanted and not a course/content management system, then ATutor (and Moodle) will be too limiting. -- Maurice Last ICT Curriculum Implementation Coordinator, Electronic Systems Coordinator, and Teacher Gulf Islands Secondary School and School District 64 (Gulf Islands) Saltspring Island BC Canada From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Apr 3 22:02:40 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:02:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals Message-ID: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> Hello List, Just thought Id throw this out. Last week i have gotten Kphone /SIPhone to work on 4 terminals. I know this isnt really K-12 "centric", but i was just wanting to see if it would ever work:) Haven't had much time to hammer it, to see what chokes on it, but i did keep good connections, to each terminal & voice quality was very much the same as a "hardphone". I set it up through asterisk. It 's very rough as far as setup and getting audio to come through but if i get it slicked up, ill see if anyone is interested in this sort of setup. Maybe it is overkill for the use of what K12LTSP & thin client technology is to represent? The rpms that were built are for FC4 but would probably work backwards to a certain degree. I'm guessing if Kphone will work if someone had IP phones, with a little thrashing , they will eventually work as well. Possibly someone already has some flavor of siphone working? i havent read anything on this. Have a good week all K12LTSP'ers. Barry Cisna From atmlogic at kmts.ca Mon Apr 3 20:16:02 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:16:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients - purchace in Canada In-Reply-To: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> Message-ID: <200604032205.k33M5I1Z022824@mx1.redhat.com> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a good source for thin clients in Canada (also must have RDP) I am sure I can go to Wyse/HP and order them direct, but any others. I understand I can order some that actually help support the LTSP however then I would have to get them shipped from the US...?? Thanks for any input. From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 3 22:05:19 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <443179D1.4080002@sd64.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20060403220519.11766.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings, We currently have a number of Windows (98 and XP) that log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. This server also contains the students' home directories. I have recently made another partition on some of the windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I can log into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no idea how to authenticate with the server instead. Once logged in I want to be able to provide access to the same home directories. I do not want to use the thin client method because right now our server is only 400MHz (yeah I know). >From doing some research I understand that I probably have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't have a clue where to start. Does it work with along with Samba or separately from Samba? How does one go about setting it up? Or if there is a better way, please advise. Thanks for your help, :) -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Apr 3 23:38:14 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:38:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking for students!) Message-ID: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> Hi Steve, Sounds like you & others there, have a good format lined up for NECC to showcase Opensource projects. This is the way to "get the word out" to school administrators who are "behind times", in what is available as far as software >choices<. Hope you all have a good turnout at NECC for your efforts. Wish I could attend myself to see what others come up with for utilizing K12LTSP as well as other Opensource software. We met in Burlington IA, at a K12LTSP get together about a year or so ago, when You were here in the great Midwest touring ( I think the next day after you had a run in with a deer ,the previous evening on the road). Keep up the good work. Take Care, Barry Cisna From milanofabio at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 23:41:04 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:41:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Crashing Message-ID: <35c1344c0604031641h68a709b1td9ccec0112f27b0c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have created a set of directory trees within Home dir. When I browse about 4 dirs deep, Nautilus crashes and closes. This is happening both from ThinClients and logging directly into the server. I have tried both Gnome and IceWM sessions, and both crash Nautilus. The setgid is set for the directories that are crashing. K12LTSPCENTOS4.2 Thnks From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Apr 4 00:36:52 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:36:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Crashing Message-ID: <1144111012.2680.31.camel@server1.cisna> Hi Fabio, With Nautilus crashing it could be a miriad of things. Here's something that happened on one of our servers many moons ago, after many hours of trying to resolve pretty much the same thing. I thought it was memory related as this was a new server i had pieced together. I tried different memory combinations, and did end up with different "crashing" characteristics with each redo of memory sticks. After lots of trial and error i done a bios hard setting for the cpu speed and bumped up the cpu bus adjustment speed one notch then two notches higher. After doing this the server has never crashed period. It was usually Nautilus that crashed only and a couple of times Abiword would crash. This has been about 3 years ago, and after making the bios/cpu adjustment this server has never coughed once. Your scenario pretty much fits the same as this server. It seemed to always be directories with lots of subfolders and or files that would crash Nautilus the easiest.I'm guessing it was "working" the HD/CPU the hardest.Only difference is this was Fedora were you are using CentOS. You could try the same on your server box. Just enter the bios and step up the cpu setting one setting,and see if you have any different crash characteristics. the worst that can happen is the server will not boot up. If that happens just reset the bios on the mobo via the bios reset pins and try another setting. Hope this gives you some ideas. Take care, Barry Cisna From milanofabio at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 00:50:03 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:50:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Crashing In-Reply-To: <1144111012.2680.31.camel@server1.cisna> References: <1144111012.2680.31.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: <35c1344c0604031750u2c83029enc2fc34e53849af27@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, Thanks for the quick response. I will give this a try, but seems strange that it would max out the CPU or HD, I got 2xOpteron and scsi's. On 4/3/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi Fabio, > > With Nautilus crashing it could be a miriad of things. > Here's something that happened on one of our servers many moons ago, > after many hours of trying to resolve pretty much the same thing. I > thought it was memory related as this was a new server i had pieced > together. I tried different memory combinations, and did end up with > different "crashing" characteristics with each redo of memory sticks. > After lots of trial and error i done a bios hard setting for the cpu > speed and bumped up the cpu bus adjustment speed one notch then two > notches higher. After doing this the server has never crashed period. It > was usually Nautilus that crashed only and a couple of times Abiword > would crash. This has been about 3 years ago, and after making the > bios/cpu adjustment this server has never coughed once. > Your scenario pretty much fits the same as this server. It seemed to > always be directories with lots of subfolders and or files that would > crash Nautilus the easiest.I'm guessing it was "working" the HD/CPU the > hardest.Only difference is this was Fedora were you are using CentOS. > You could try the same on your server box. Just enter the bios and step > up the cpu setting one setting,and see if you have any different crash > characteristics. the worst that can happen is the server will not boot > up. If that happens just reset the bios on the mobo via the bios reset > pins and try another setting. Hope this gives you some ideas. > > Take care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Apr 4 01:04:13 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:04:13 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients - purchace in Canada In-Reply-To: <200604032205.k33M5I1Z022824@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604032205.k33M5I1Z022824@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4431C60D.5020504@rogers.com> ATM Logic wrote: > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a good source for thin clients in > Canada (also must have RDP) > > I am sure I can go to Wyse/HP and order them direct, but any others. I don't know who they are but I was just looking at this... http://www.acertive.ca/ssdept.asp?dept_id=003-005 Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Apr 4 01:09:31 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:09:31 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals In-Reply-To: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> References: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: <4431C74B.2080401@rogers.com> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just thought Id throw this out. Last week i have gotten Kphone /SIPhone > to work on 4 terminals. I know this isnt really K-12 "centric", but i > was just wanting to see if it would ever work:) Haven't had much time to > hammer it, to see what chokes on it, but i did keep good connections, to > each terminal & voice quality was very much the same as a "hardphone". I > set it up through asterisk. It 's very rough as far as setup and getting > audio to come through but if i get it slicked up, ill see if anyone is > interested in this sort of setup. > Maybe it is overkill for the use of what K12LTSP & thin client > technology is to represent? The rpms that were built are for FC4 but > would probably work backwards to a certain degree. I'm guessing if > Kphone will work if someone had IP phones, with a little thrashing , > they will eventually work as well. Possibly someone already has some > flavor of siphone working? i havent read anything on this. > Have a good week all K12LTSP'ers. Barry If it wasn't documented, it didn't happen. ;-) Create a page on either the ltsp.org or l12ltsp.org wiki and document what you did to get it to work. I am sure there are a lot of interested people... Tim From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Apr 4 01:36:02 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:36:02 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals In-Reply-To: <4431C74B.2080401@rogers.com> References: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> <4431C74B.2080401@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4431CD82.9040903@orcon.net.nz> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165 An article on how to do it. Timothy Legge wrote: > Barry R Cisna wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> Just thought Id throw this out. Last week i have gotten Kphone /SIPhone >> to work on 4 terminals. I know this isnt really K-12 "centric", but i >> was just wanting to see if it would ever work:) Haven't had much time to >> hammer it, to see what chokes on it, but i did keep good connections, to >> each terminal & voice quality was very much the same as a "hardphone". I >> set it up through asterisk. It 's very rough as far as setup and getting >> audio to come through but if i get it slicked up, ill see if anyone is >> interested in this sort of setup. >> Maybe it is overkill for the use of what K12LTSP & thin client >> technology is to represent? The rpms that were built are for FC4 but >> would probably work backwards to a certain degree. I'm guessing if >> Kphone will work if someone had IP phones, with a little thrashing , >> they will eventually work as well. Possibly someone already has some >> flavor of siphone working? i havent read anything on this. >> Have a good week all K12LTSP'ers. > > > Barry > > If it wasn't documented, it didn't happen. ;-) > > Create a page on either the ltsp.org or l12ltsp.org wiki and document > what you did to get it to work. I am sure there are a lot of > interested people... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Apr 4 02:35:44 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <20060403220519.11766.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <443179D1.4080002@sd64.bc.ca> <20060403220519.11766.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50491.24.97.62.18.1144118144.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Look for Matt Oquist's smbldap-installer David Trask inspired on the server side..on the client side you'll find directions in the ubuntu forems..it boils down to in ubuntu installing libpam-ldap, libnssldap and altering the pam.d common? config files..im away from school so cant give you a url..chuck > Greetings, > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and XP) that > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. This > server also contains the students' home directories. > > I have recently made another partition on some of the > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I can log > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no idea how > to authenticate with the server instead. Once logged > in I want to be able to provide access to the same > home directories. I do not want to use the thin client > method because right now our server is only 400MHz > (yeah I know). > >>From doi ng some research I understand that I probably > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't have a > clue where to start. Does it work with along with > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one go about > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, please > advise. > > Thanks for your help, :) > > -Kevin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vceder at canterburyschool.org Tue Apr 4 02:39:02 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:39:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <20060403220519.11766.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060403220519.11766.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4431DC46.6070506@canterburyschool.org> Kevin, You don't need LDAP - you can authenticate off of SAMBA. I've got description of how we do it with Ubuntu (some dual boot with WinXP, some just Linux) at http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations . The one difference is that our PDC is actually a WinNT box, but it should work on a SAMBA PDC. Cheers, Vern Onatawahtaw wrote: > Greetings, > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and XP) that > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. This > server also contains the students' home directories. > > I have recently made another partition on some of the > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I can log > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no idea how > to authenticate with the server instead. Once logged > in I want to be able to provide access to the same > home directories. I do not want to use the thin client > method because right now our server is only 400MHz > (yeah I know). > >>From doing some research I understand that I probably > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't have a > clue where to start. Does it work with along with > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one go about > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, please > advise. > > Thanks for your help, :) > > -Kevin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 4 02:55:49 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:55:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? Message-ID: <20060403195549.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4a12a9da11.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Why would you not chose to use LDAP. Everything is migrating to LDAP authentication. Even our copier authenticates against an LDAP server for authentication. It sure makes things much easier! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? > From: Vern Ceder > Date: Mon, April 03, 2006 9:39 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Kevin, > > You don't need LDAP - you can authenticate off of SAMBA. I've got > description of how we do it with Ubuntu (some dual boot with WinXP, some > just Linux) at http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations > . The one difference is that our PDC is actually a WinNT box, but it > should work on a SAMBA PDC. > > Cheers, > Vern > > > Onatawahtaw wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and XP) that > > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. This > > server also contains the students' home directories. > > > > I have recently made another partition on some of the > > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I can log > > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no idea how > > to authenticate with the server instead. Once logged > > in I want to be able to provide access to the same > > home directories. I do not want to use the thin client > > method because right now our server is only 400MHz > > (yeah I know). > > > >>From doing some research I understand that I probably > > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't have a > > clue where to start. Does it work with along with > > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one go about > > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, please > > advise. > > > > Thanks for your help, :) > > > > -Kevin > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > This time for sure! > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > ----------------------------- > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Apr 4 10:50:27 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:50:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <20060403195549.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4a12a9da11.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060403195549.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4a12a9da11.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1144147827.31302.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Although the final version hasn't been released yet, Samba 4 might be an option for you as well in the future. -Paul On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 19:55 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Why would you not chose to use LDAP. Everything is migrating to LDAP > authentication. Even our copier authenticates against an LDAP server > for authentication. It sure makes things much easier! > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? > > From: Vern Ceder > > Date: Mon, April 03, 2006 9:39 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > You don't need LDAP - you can authenticate off of SAMBA. I've got > > description of how we do it with Ubuntu (some dual boot with WinXP, some > > just Linux) at http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations > > . The one difference is that our PDC is actually a WinNT box, but it > > should work on a SAMBA PDC. > > > > Cheers, > > Vern > > > > > > Onatawahtaw wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and XP) that > > > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. This > > > server also contains the students' home directories. > > > > > > I have recently made another partition on some of the > > > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I can log > > > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no idea how > > > to authenticate with the server instead. Once logged > > > in I want to be able to provide access to the same > > > home directories. I do not want to use the thin client > > > method because right now our server is only 400MHz > > > (yeah I know). > > > > > >>From doing some research I understand that I probably > > > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't have a > > > clue where to start. Does it work with along with > > > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one go about > > > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, please > > > advise. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, :) > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This time for sure! > > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > > ----------------------------- > > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Apr 4 11:22:26 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:22:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals Message-ID: <1144149746.6644.12.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Tim, In the next few days I'll try and write up a how to on setting up Kphone on terminals. I still have two items that need to be fixed up,in that when FreePBX is installed to manage Asterisk, there are two modules that do not get registered/ start correctly every time? These are both related actually to the Zaptel piece that integrates with Asterisk.This is still one of those head scratcher items. The bottom line is after FreePBX is installed it hijacks the startup script, for Asterisk, Ive run into a lot of permission things that were bottlenecking things and I have those ironed out. I made all rpm's other than the actual FreePBX part,which Im going to do that into an RPM as well ( I think). I figure doing things this way it streamlines things and may cut down on frustration trying to compile,blah,blah. I'll get everything uped to an ftp site,along with all the dependency rpms that need to be installed as well, as there are a carload of them that needs to be installed to make this work.These are simply extras that can be had from the Fedora download mirrors. You could look at the url that is posted in the other posting in this thread as well, but the way i set this up is a bit different. Ive got to bounce the road the next few days so Im not sure when Ill have everything refined into a how to. Take Care, Barry Cisna From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Apr 4 11:32:37 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:32:37 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals In-Reply-To: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> References: <1144101760.2680.1.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: <10124.200.222.204.15.1144150357.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From edward at netday.org.za Tue Apr 4 15:08:18 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:08:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing issue? In-Reply-To: <1144042455.8200.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1144042455.8200.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <38878215-E850-4646-BF8F-EFB52B998E4B@netday.org.za> Thanks - this solved my problem. ed On 03 Apr 2006, at 7:34 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 00:31, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> Hi list >> >> I am using 4.4.1 with two NICs. Eth0 is the LTSP network. Eth1 is a >> broadband internet connection, setup using the xDSL wizard, thus >> acting as ppp0. >> >> All my thin clients can access the web fine, but the fat clients >> (both Windows and Mac) on the same network cannot. I suspect this may >> be a routing issue, but have no idea how to fix it. Found an article >> on the RedHat site about routing between two NICs on one PC, applied >> the settings to force ppp0 to be the default gateway. To no avail. >> >> What am I missing here? > > Look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat. You'll need to change the > PUBLIC_ETHERNET setting to your ppp0 device instead, then > 'service nat restart'. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This will probably end up being a summer project. Good luck Jim! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sip phone working on terminals > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Date: Tue, April 04, 2006 9:52 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:36:02 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165 > > An article on how to do it. > > This just got me thinking. Can I really setup one line, somewhere, and create > a asterisk pbx, then setup IP phones at multiple offsite locations and save > all of the costs of phone services at the other locations all with free > software and hardware? > > This could be fun! > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 4 16:18:36 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy Message-ID: Greetings, My LTSP users authenticate to a Mac OS X Open Directory server, and it works great. However, we allow our student users to have relatively simple passwords. The problem is when we try to change passwords from within the fedora core 4/ltsp environment. Fedora requires them to create a strong password. Is there any way I can avoid the strong password, and allow them to choose whatever they want? Thanks, Brad From karisue at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 16:29:46 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:29:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not familiar w/ FC, but I know from my SuSE experience that I couldn't change a password to something simple in the GUI, but it would allow any password at the command line. Does the command line insist on strong passwords for you? In SuSE, you get a warning that the password is weak, but it does change it anyway. kari On 4/4/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > > Greetings, > > My LTSP users authenticate to a Mac OS X Open Directory server, and > it works great. However, we allow our student users to have > relatively simple passwords. The problem is when we try to change > passwords from within the fedora core 4/ltsp environment. Fedora > requires them to create a strong password. Is there any way I can > avoid the strong password, and allow them to choose whatever they want? > > Thanks, > > Brad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 16:39:44 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:39:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am new here, and I have been reading the list for the last few days with great interest. I wanted to introduce myself and then ask a quick question. My name is Kari; I am the administrator for a small Catholic school in a rural IL community. I recently talked the principal into letting me buy all new computers and I sold him on the idea of Linux (about which I knew only enough to be dangerous). I had never played w/ Linux before taking the job as admin at the school but I do have quite a bit of windows networking experience (like NT4, 2000, 2003 servers). I got a friend to help me with setup -- edubuntu on the workstations, ubuntu server. He knew quite a bit about linux, so he set the whole thing up and moved the data from the SuSE hard drive to the Ubuntu HD and whatnot. He is no longer available to answer setup questions, and I have no documentation as to what exactly he did. My questions are: 1. He set up SMB-LDAP to authenticate on the server. Does anyone have any experience with this? I need to reinstall edubuntu on a couple of servers but am not sure what the procedure is to get them to login to the server. 2. My younger kids *really* like GCompris, but it dies, crashes, and is generally uncooperative when the workstation is logged in to the server. It works great on machines that are logged in locally. Any ideas about how I can remedy GCompris' performance for students who are logged in to the server? 3. My students want to write a school newspaper. Besides OO Writer, does anyone have any suggestions for a MSPublisher-comparable tool that is open source? I tried horsing around w/ Scribus but never could make anything in Scribus print. Everything else on the workstations prints just fine. Scribus seemed a little too InDesign-like anyway, and the 7th graders found it extremely difficult. I look forward to getting to know all of you. I am hoping soon to have a "grand opening" of my lab, complete w/ pix and video on the web, so you all can see what's going on. I'd love to hear more about your configurations at your schools, too, and what programs you're using. I teach technology at my school -- do any of you teach? Any interesting curriculum ideas or suggestions out there? I'm also interested in ideas about training computer-phobic staff who think that Linux will give them the plague. LOL , the staff at my school are terrified to give the workstations a look around for fear of breaking something. I'm sure that's not a unique experience. Best, Kari Matthews www.smswestville.k12.il.us (under construction -- a brand new Joomla site that is not quite ready but is getting there) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Tue Apr 4 16:52:58 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:52:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> > On 4/4/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > Fedora > requires them to create a strong password. Is there any way I > can > avoid the strong password, and allow them to choose whatever > they want? This can be set through pam. I don't have an FC4 box around right now but here are the generic instructions: First look in /etc/pam.d/passwd If you see a line about cracklib then this is the file you need to edit. If not you probably see lines that have pam_stack system-auth or include system-auth or similar. If that is true then you need to edit /etc/pam.d/system-auth. There should be a line about cracklib in there. You can add arguments to the line that enable less secure passwords. The two documentation files you'll want to look at are /usr/share/doc/pam-VERSION/txts/README.pam_cracklib (which has a short description of every pam_cracklib option) and /usr/share/doc/pam-VERSION/txts/pam.txt (which has some useful examples. Search within the file for cracklib and you'll find them.) Whenever editing pam files be careful. Pam is a modular system for authentication. If you make a mistake you could find yourself unable to login/su/etc. At minimum, you'll want to 1) make a copy of the files you plan on editing so you can quickly restore them. 2) stay logged in as root on a terminal until you have verified that you can go to a different terminal and login as yourself and su to root. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Apr 4 17:38:01 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:38:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles Message-ID: <1144172281.4578.15.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello Kari, Welcome to the K12LTSP world !. In answer to your questions, SMB_LDAP, will take quite a bit of reading and actual hands on experience to get acclimated with the inner workings of how Winders & Linux authenticate to each other regardless of your particular network layout. There are lots of little tweaks to make it come together,and to do authentication, but once learned is the "only way to go". I good "lightweight" word processor and is quite a bit faster than OOo is Abiword. For most word processing, Abiword is adequate for a k-12 school scenario.You should be able to do a search for "Abiword rpm for fc4" for example and just do an rpm install of Abiword for whatever version of K12LTSP you are running. In regards to GCompris, you shouldn't have any troubles with it running on thin clients. The only scenario Ive ever had of GCompris crashing is at first when setting up Imacs..to boot from Linux, and having to do some tweaking,on the video driver to resolve the prob. Is the GCompris happening on >all< terminals or just select brands of terminals for example? If it is just a select terminals it may be a video driver prob. It s a good idea when posting to give what version of K12LTSP you are using. You will find in time how usable K12LTSP for general application use is. It is a learning curve in getting a few things to dial in, like sound on terminals, and flash player etc. BTW Our school is in west/central IL. Been using K12LTSP for three years now. Hope this helps a little. Take Care, Barry Cisna From karisue at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 17:49:49 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:49:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles In-Reply-To: <1144172281.4578.15.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1144172281.4578.15.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: Barry, Thanks for replying ... but I realize now that I think I'm on the wrong list. I am not using thin client (my workstations have hard drives and the programs run on locally, not on the server). Thanks for the suggestions ... I will look more deeply into the inner workings of SMB-LDAP and see if I can get to the bottom of my woes. Thanks for the insight! kari On 4/4/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > > Hello Kari, > > Welcome to the K12LTSP world !. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Apr 4 17:55:23 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:55:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles In-Reply-To: <1144172281.4578.15.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200604041828.k34ISgQW028309@mx3.redhat.com> Kari >From my personal experience with both Ubuntu and Edubuntu, setting up LTSP from scratch on Ubuntu is the better way to go then running Edubuntu right now. LTSP just isn't working properly on Edubuntu. Seems to be very slow. It's not just my experience either. However, I take it that that won't be an option right now due to lack of some experience. That's ok. Although I personally prefer Ubuntu with LTSP installed over K12LTSP (I'm a Debian guy, give me a break :P) I believe K12LTSP is the place you want to start. K12LTSP is *VERY* easy to set up, even for a Linux novice or newbie and it's easy to use interface won't let you down. Besides, the community for K12LTSP is much broader than any other LTSP community to date. I do agree with Barry, learning Samba and LDAP is a trial and error process. It will also require you to do a lot of Googling. The majority of what I have learned about Linux, K12LTSP, LTSP, Open Source (or OpenSource to some ;)), etc. was from trial and error and a lot of time researching on the web. I'm sure I am not alone in that experience. Scribus is, in my humble opinion, one of the better MS Publisher equivalents you are going to find. After sitting down and playin garound with it for awhile myself and a couple of others were able to make nice looking publications. Like anything, once you get the hang of it.... Now, as far as Gcompris on Ubuntu, I can sympathize. I am having the exact same issue on my Ubuntu boxes. Periodically Gcompris will just quit without warning. This has happened on several different boxes and even different machines. I haven't really looked into yet as Gcompris isn't highly used yet. Finally, many of us don't just work with K12LTSP so you might find a lot of help here. Always feel free to ask any questions you may have. The only dumb question you can have, is the one you didn't ask. ;) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Cisna Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:38 PM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles Hello Kari, Welcome to the K12LTSP world !. In answer to your questions, SMB_LDAP, will take quite a bit of reading and actual hands on experience to get acclimated with the inner workings of how Winders & Linux authenticate to each other regardless of your particular network layout. There are lots of little tweaks to make it come together,and to do authentication, but once learned is the "only way to go". I good "lightweight" word processor and is quite a bit faster than OOo is Abiword. For most word processing, Abiword is adequate for a k-12 school scenario.You should be able to do a search for "Abiword rpm for fc4" for example and just do an rpm install of Abiword for whatever version of K12LTSP you are running. In regards to GCompris, you shouldn't have any troubles with it running on thin clients. The only scenario Ive ever had of GCompris crashing is at first when setting up Imacs..to boot from Linux, and having to do some tweaking,on the video driver to resolve the prob. Is the GCompris happening on >all< terminals or just select brands of terminals for example? If it is just a select terminals it may be a video driver prob. It s a good idea when posting to give what version of K12LTSP you are using. You will find in time how usable K12LTSP for general application use is. It is a learning curve in getting a few things to dial in, like sound on terminals, and flash player etc. BTW Our school is in west/central IL. Been using K12LTSP for three years now. Hope this helps a little. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 4 18:37:00 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:37:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> References: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> On 4/4/06, Brad Johnson wrote: >> Fedora >> requires them to create a strong password. Is there any >> way I >> can >> avoid the strong password, and allow them to choose whatever >> they want? > This can be set through pam. I don't have an FC4 box around right now > but here are the generic instructions: First look in /etc/pam.d/ > passwd > If you see a line about cracklib then this is the file you need to > edit. > If not you probably see lines that have pam_stack system-auth or > include > system-auth or similar. If that is true then you need to > edit /etc/pam.d/system-auth. There should be a line about cracklib in > there. You can add arguments to the line that enable less secure > passwords. > > The two documentation files you'll want to look at are > /usr/share/doc/pam-VERSION/txts/README.pam_cracklib (which has a short > description of every pam_cracklib option) > and /usr/share/doc/pam-VERSION/txts/pam.txt (which has some useful > examples. Search within the file for cracklib and you'll find them.) > > Whenever editing pam files be careful. Pam is a modular system for > authentication. If you make a mistake you could find yourself > unable to > login/su/etc. At minimum, you'll want to 1) make a copy of the files > you plan on editing so you can quickly restore them. 2) stay logged in > as root on a terminal until you have verified that you can go to a > different terminal and login as yourself and su to root. > > -Toshio Thanks for the info. However I've tried adding some of the arguments and it's not working. Is it possible to turn off the use of cracklib entirely? Thanks Brad From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Tue Apr 4 18:43:35 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:43:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1144176215.28389.9.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 13:37 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the info. However I've tried adding some of the arguments > and it's not working. Is it possible to turn off the use of cracklib > entirely? I believe you can remove it from the stack of pam modules that are used (ie just remove the cracklib line from system-auth) I'm not sure about this, though, so be sure to backup, be logged in as root, etc. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 4 18:55:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:55:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] REMINDER: LTSP/K12LTSP Conference in Minneapolis June 15 & 16 Message-ID: <4432C114.3040402@maltzen.net> This is just a reminder of the LTSP/K12LTSP conference, also known by the self-aggrandizing title of the North Central Linux Symposium, being held in Minneapolis on June 15 & 16. The first day, "Tuxlabs for Schools", will be devoted to K12LTSP, and will be a series of presentations given by people from this list. The purpose is to demonstrate K12LTSP to schools in Minnesota and surrounding states, who we will be inviting. The second day, "Advanced Topics in LTSP" will be about LTSP in general and is more for people who are already using LTSP/K12LTSP. Jim McQuillan will be speaking, as will Scott Balneaves. The conference is free, and is intended to promote the use of LTSP in schools, and to provide an excuse for a bunch of us to get together. Visit http://www.nclinux.net for details. Drop me a line if you have any questions. Hope to see you there. Petre From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 4 19:00:57 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:00:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: <1144176215.28389.9.camel@localhost> References: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144176215.28389.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <0279FE9D-9C5C-40F8-BC16-EB5761652F98@independence.k12.ia.us> I did try that but it didn't seem to work....however I didn't reboot and I'm a little afraid to reboot. Here's another interesting item....if I change the password succesfully, it doesn't actually seem to update in the ldap directory on the OS X server. For example, if my user initially logs in with a password of 'changeme' and then successfully updates their password to 'changed', both 'changeme' and 'changed' will work when logging into the LTSP machine. However, if I attempt to again change the users password, the LDAP password is still 'changeme' Is the LTSP machine simply keeping the 'changed' password in a password file locally? Sorry for the questions.....they make me sound pretty clueless about this stuff, but it sure seemed like an easy way for my users to change their passwords rather easily, since we don't have very many OS X machines that our high school students have access to on the high school campus. Thanks a bunch, Brad On Apr 4, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 13:37 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: >> Thanks for the info. However I've tried adding some of the arguments >> and it's not working. Is it possible to turn off the use of cracklib >> entirely? > > I believe you can remove it from the stack of pam modules that are > used > (ie just remove the cracklib line from system-auth) I'm not sure > about > this, though, so be sure to backup, be logged in as root, etc. > > -Toshio > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From chan at sacredsf.org Tue Apr 4 19:21:41 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking for students!) In-Reply-To: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> References: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: Is there a list of presentations? -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Tue Apr 4 19:25:06 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:25:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: <0279FE9D-9C5C-40F8-BC16-EB5761652F98@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144176215.28389.9.camel@localhost> <0279FE9D-9C5C-40F8-BC16-EB5761652F98@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1144178706.28389.36.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 14:00 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: > I did try that but it didn't seem to work....however I didn't reboot > and I'm a little afraid to reboot. You shouldn't need to reboot. When you say it doesn't work, do you mean it doesn't allow you to set a weak password? It doesn't allow you to login? It doesn't allow you to set any new password? > Here's another interesting > item....if I change the password succesfully, it doesn't actually > seem to update in the ldap directory on the OS X server. this sounds as though you have something screwy at a deeper level as well. Did you use the authconfig program to setup your connection to the OSX ldap server or soemthing different? Is pam_ldap one of the modules being stacked in /etc/pam.d/system-auth? It sounds as though the update is updating /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow on the K12ltsp server instead of in the OSX server. So the K12 server is reading from /etc/passwd ad from the ldap server but it is writing only to /etc/passwd. When you use the passwd command does it prompt you with: Enter login(LDAP) password: or does it just print New UNIX password: -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 4 19:39:52 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:39:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Policy In-Reply-To: <1144178706.28389.36.camel@localhost> References: <1144169578.28389.6.camel@localhost> <08124F5F-031F-465E-8200-343C3815EE24@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144176215.28389.9.camel@localhost> <0279FE9D-9C5C-40F8-BC16-EB5761652F98@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144178706.28389.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <138E3986-E26D-464F-BA9F-BBF6A14356C1@independence.k12.ia.us> Sorry....I wasn't clear on all my responses On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 14:00 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: >> I did try that but it didn't seem to work....however I didn't reboot >> and I'm a little afraid to reboot. > > You shouldn't need to reboot. When you say it doesn't work, do you > mean > it doesn't allow you to set a weak password? It doesn't allow you to > login? It doesn't allow you to set any new password? It does not allow me to set a weak password...it will allow me to set a new password > >> Here's another interesting >> item....if I change the password succesfully, it doesn't actually >> seem to update in the ldap directory on the OS X server. > > this sounds as though you have something screwy at a deeper level as > well. Did you use the authconfig program to setup your connection to > the OSX ldap server or soemthing different? Yes, I used authconfig to setup LDAP access, and all my users can successfully login to the LDAP server with their LDAP passwords. > Is pam_ldap one of the > modules being stacked in /etc/pam.d/system-auth? yes, it is listed on the following lines: auth sufficient /path/to/file/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass as well as on password sufficient /path/to/file/pam_ldap.so use_authok > It sounds as though > the update is updating /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow on the K12ltsp > server > instead of in the OSX server. So the K12 server is reading > from /etc/passwd ad from the ldap server but it is writing only > to /etc/passwd. > > When you use the passwd command does it prompt you with: > Enter login(LDAP) password: > > or does it just print > New UNIX password: Yes, this is weird isn't it. When I run passwd, it first asks for 'Enter Login(LDAP) password', and after that has been successfully entered it asks for 'New UNIX password' So it appears to be authenticating to LDAP, but updating the local Unix password on the LTSP box Thanks, Brad > > -Toshio > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 4 19:07:55 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:07:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles Message-ID: <20060404120755.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cf5382bc47.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Kari, You may want to check out this bug report for Gcompris. Notice the work around at the bottom. I was having a problem where X would crash when I started up Gcompris. The fix was to start Gcompris with this option "gcompris -x". When I did this it worked great! Good luck. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation setup troubles > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Tue, April 04, 2006 11:39 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Hi everyone, > > I am new here, and I have been reading the list for the last few days with great interest. I wanted to introduce myself and then ask a quick question. My name is Kari; I am the administrator for a small Catholic school in a rural IL community. I recently talked the principal into letting me buy all new computers and I sold him on the idea of Linux (about which I knew only enough to be dangerous). I had never played w/ Linux before taking the job as admin at the school but I do have quite a bit of windows networking experience (like NT4, 2000, 2003 servers). > > I got a friend to help me with setup -- edubuntu on the workstations, ubuntu server. He knew quite a bit about linux, so he set the whole thing up and moved the data from the SuSE hard drive to the Ubuntu HD and whatnot. He is no longer available to answer setup questions, and I have no documentation as to what exactly he did. > > My questions are: > > 1. He set up SMB-LDAP to authenticate on the server. Does anyone have any experience with this? I need to reinstall edubuntu on a couple of servers but am not sure what the procedure is to get them to login to the server. > > 2. My younger kids *really* like GCompris, but it dies, crashes, and is generally uncooperative when the workstation is logged in to the server. It works great on machines that are logged in locally. Any ideas about how I can remedy GCompris' performance for students who are logged in to the server? > > 3. My students want to write a school newspaper. Besides OO Writer, does anyone have any suggestions for a MSPublisher-comparable tool that is open source? I tried horsing around w/ Scribus but never could make anything in Scribus print. Everything else on the workstations prints just fine. Scribus seemed a little too InDesign-like anyway, and the 7th graders found it extremely difficult. > > I look forward to getting to know all of you. I am hoping soon to have a "grand opening" of my lab, complete w/ pix and video on the web, so you all can see what's going on. I'd love to hear more about your configurations at your schools, too, and what programs you're using. I teach technology at my school -- do any of you teach? Any interesting curriculum ideas or suggestions out there? I'm also interested in ideas about training computer-phobic staff who think that Linux will give them the plague. LOL , the staff at my school are terrified to give the workstations a look around for fear of breaking something. I'm sure that's not a unique experience. > > Best, > Kari Matthews > www.smswestville.k12.il.us > (under construction -- a brand new Joomla site that is not quite ready but is getting there) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From chan at sacredsf.org Tue Apr 4 19:52:08 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking for students!) In-Reply-To: References: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: My NECC presentation touches on social networking and talks about some Open Source tools but it'll be redundant and partly not directly relevant to the Open Source sessions. -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Steve Hargadon wrote: > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:29:18 -0700 > From: Steve Hargadon > To: chan at sacredsf.org, > Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also > looking for students!) > Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:27:08 -0700 > Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org > Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org > > No, that's what we're generating right now. So far have blogging (2 > people), podcasting, social networking, moodle (2 or three session), > general intro. > > Got any ideas? > > On 4/4/06, Hoover Chan wrote: >> Is there a list of presentations? >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >> Technology Network Coordinator >> Schools of the Sacred Heart >> 2222 Broadway St. >> San Francisco, CA 94115 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) > www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) > From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 4 22:42:36 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1144147827.31302.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060404224236.48282.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone. I am going to try going with Vern's suggestion as it seems the simplest. However, would like to try out LDAP as Ron suggested, any straight forward sites you can direct me to Ron (or others)? Looking forward to Samba 4 as well. :) God bless, -Kevin > > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 19:55 -0700, > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Why would you not chose to use LDAP. Everything > is migrating to LDAP > > authentication. Even our copier authenticates > against an LDAP server > > for authentication. It sure makes things much > easier! > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Client > Authentication with Samba PDC? > > > From: Vern Ceder > > > Date: Mon, April 03, 2006 9:39 pm > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > You don't need LDAP - you can authenticate off > of SAMBA. I've got > > > description of how we do it with Ubuntu (some > dual boot with WinXP, some > > > just Linux) at > http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations > > > > . The one difference is that our PDC is actually > a WinNT box, but it > > > should work on a SAMBA PDC. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vern > > > > > > > > > Onatawahtaw wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and > XP) that > > > > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. > This > > > > server also contains the students' home > directories. > > > > > > > > I have recently made another partition on some > of the > > > > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I > can log > > > > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no > idea how > > > > to authenticate with the server instead. Once > logged > > > > in I want to be able to provide access to the > same > > > > home directories. I do not want to use the > thin client > > > > method because right now our server is only > 400MHz > > > > (yeah I know). > > > > > > > >>From doing some research I understand that I > probably > > > > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't > have a > > > > clue where to start. Does it work with along > with > > > > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one > go about > > > > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, > please > > > > advise. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, :) > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > > This time for sure! > > > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > > > ----------------------------- > > > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > > > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN > 46804 > > > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: > 260-436-5137 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 4 22:59:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:59:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to be working Message-ID: <4432FA5E.6050802@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I updated my test packages to today's LTSP CVS. The fancy new LTSPFS feature is now working on our test server here at work. So you testers know the drill... run "yum upgrade", make sure you have "LOCAL_STORAGE=Y" in your lts.conf, reboot a terminal, and try sticking in a USB key. If the magic works, you should get an icon on your desktop for the device... -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 4 23:06:36 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:06:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? Message-ID: <20060404160636.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b306b7114a.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Kevin, I would start here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP#Easy_Samba_LDAP_Installer Do a little reading up on LDAP and then give the script a run. Good luck! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Linux Client Authentication with Samba PDC? > From: Onatawahtaw > Date: Tue, April 04, 2006 5:42 pm > To: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us, "Support list for opensource software > in schools." > > Thanks everyone. I am going to try going with Vern's > suggestion as it seems the simplest. However, would > like to try out LDAP as Ron suggested, any straight > forward sites you can direct me to Ron (or others)? > Looking forward to Samba 4 as well. :) > > God bless, > > -Kevin > > > > > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 19:55 -0700, > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > Why would you not chose to use LDAP. Everything > > is migrating to LDAP > > > authentication. Even our copier authenticates > > against an LDAP server > > > for authentication. It sure makes things much > > easier! > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > > Conecuh County Schools > > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Client > > Authentication with Samba PDC? > > > > From: Vern Ceder > > > > Date: Mon, April 03, 2006 9:39 pm > > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in > > schools." > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > You don't need LDAP - you can authenticate off > > of SAMBA. I've got > > > > description of how we do it with Ubuntu (some > > dual boot with WinXP, some > > > > just Linux) at > > > http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations > > > > > > . The one difference is that our PDC is actually > > a WinNT box, but it > > > > should work on a SAMBA PDC. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vern > > > > > > > > > > > > Onatawahtaw wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > We currently have a number of Windows (98 and > > XP) that > > > > > log into a Linux Server using Samba as a PDC. > > This > > > > > server also contains the students' home > > directories. > > > > > > > > > > I have recently made another partition on some > > of the > > > > > windows clients and have installed Ubuntu. I > > can log > > > > > into the Ubuntu machines locally, but have no > > idea how > > > > > to authenticate with the server instead. Once > > logged > > > > > in I want to be able to provide access to the > > same > > > > > home directories. I do not want to use the > > thin client > > > > > method because right now our server is only > > 400MHz > > > > > (yeah I know). > > > > > > > > > >>From doing some research I understand that I > > probably > > > > > have to use LDAP for authentication, but don't > > have a > > > > > clue where to start. Does it work with along > > with > > > > > Samba or separately from Samba? How does one > > go about > > > > > setting it up? Or if there is a better way, > > please > > > > > advise. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, :) > > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This time for sure! > > > > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > > > > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN > > 46804 > > > > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: > > 260-436-5137 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 4 23:08:27 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:08:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to be working Message-ID: <20060404160827.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8d9bf03425.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I haven't seen an announcement yet about LTSP 4.2 release. They said that it would be released today. Have you heard anything? Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, > LTSPFS appears to be working > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Tue, April 04, 2006 5:59 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I updated my test packages to today's LTSP CVS. The fancy new LTSPFS > feature is now working on our test server here at work. > > So you testers know the drill... run "yum upgrade", make sure you have > "LOCAL_STORAGE=Y" in your lts.conf, reboot a terminal, and try sticking > in a USB key. If the magic works, you should get an icon on your desktop > for the device... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 02:33:14 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:33:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to Message-ID: Hi Eric, Well, there never was any doubt, but to state it out load- "You rule!" I did an upgrade and I now have USB local stick appearing on the desktop. I yanked out the usb stick and stuck in a usb camera and it appears on the desktop- awesome! I did have to do an rpm -U on a libfuse package, but I have really screwed up a few rpms and also canned my browers (probably bad plugin dirs or something- just like last year at school ;-) so I'll do another install of fc5 64 bit. this time I won't have all of the messy ltsp cvs stuff that I tried to take a run with last week. Thanks very much for your contributions. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------ I updated my test packages to today's LTSP CVS. The fancy new LTSPFS feature is now working on our test server here at work. So you testers know the drill... run "yum upgrade", make sure you have "LOCAL_STORAGE=Y" in your lts.conf, reboot a terminal, and try sticking in a USB key. If the magic works, you should get an icon on your desktop for the device... -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Wed Apr 5 03:20:18 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Now available Message-ID: <45567.63.138.98.175.1144207218.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Hello all, It is with great pleasure that we are announcing the release of LTSP-4.2. This is the release with the awesome local device support, and lots of other cool new features. Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org for more details. I'd like to take this time to thank everybody who helped out on this release, and an extra special thank you to Scott Balneaves for his truly magnificent work on ltspfs and the local device support. So, go ahead, read the docs, install the new version, and have fun with it. We've been showing it at Linux World in Boston, and the reaction have been very good. This is one of those things that demos very well, and on top of that, it WORKS very well. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Apr 5 03:23:51 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:23:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Now available In-Reply-To: <45567.63.138.98.175.1144207218.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <45567.63.138.98.175.1144207218.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <1144207431.6053.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 23:20 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hello all, > > It is with great pleasure that we are announcing the release of LTSP-4.2. > > This is the release with the awesome local device support, and lots of > other cool new features. > > Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org for more details. > > I'd like to take this time to thank everybody who helped out on this > release, and an extra special thank you to Scott Balneaves for his truly > magnificent work on ltspfs and the local device support. > > So, go ahead, read the docs, install the new version, and have fun with it. > > We've been showing it at Linux World in Boston, and the reaction have been > very good. This is one of those things that demos very well, and on top > of that, it WORKS very well. On behalf of the Independence Community School District in Independence, Iowa, thanks for all the work you and everyone has put into making LTSP a GREAT product!! Regards, Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 5 13:29:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:29:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP map passes the 400 mark! Message-ID: <4433C62D.2060600@maltzen.net> I just checked the map at http://www.k12ltsp.com/ and there are now over 400 LTSP installations listed! Are YOU on the map? BTW, is anyone else having trouble with the rendering of the columns on the right side of the page at http://www.k12ltsp.com ? The list of name appears in a column so narrow it's unreadable, and there's no way to adjust it. But perhaps it's just me. Petre From robark at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 15:39:18 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:39:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: MacOSX and WinXP together at last Message-ID: I couldn't resist. http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Apr 5 16:15:24 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:15:24 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up email accounts Message-ID: <4433ED1C.8090600@orcon.net.nz> How can I set up email so I can send email to the student accounts on K12LTSP. I would also like to use these email accounts for external access. What port forwarding settings do I need? I have been able to send an email from my local account to an external account. How do I set it up so an external account can email my local account? From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Apr 5 16:24:47 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:24:47 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <4433DB2C.6050606@umn.edu> References: <215ff4410604050153q6642979r8a71a598f3acee41@mail.gmail.com> <1144228592.31548.25.camel@Biquet.tranquilit.local> <20060405102813.GB13960@dev.dyndns.org> <4433DB2C.6050606@umn.edu> Message-ID: <4433EF4F.4080203@orcon.net.nz> I want to set up a PC for disk to disk back up using BackupPC. I am quite familiar with Fedora (K12LTSP) now but I have heard recommendations for using SME server for a job like this. Are there any good reasons to use SME server as opposed to K12LTSP for a job like this? Are there any points to look out for we setting up something like this? Krsnendu dasa Steve Cayford wrote: >Stephan Mueller wrote: > > >>[...] >>the usual method is to do both in best case: have disc2disc backup for >>fast backups and recovery and tapes to take somewhere else in case the >>server burns or gets stolen. >> >>With just disc2disc in most cases you do not have a very long backup >>history - so in case a user wants back a file deleted some weeks ago in >>most cases won't be possible (depends on the size of discs in your backup >>server of course). >> >> > >Using something like rsnapshot can help a lot with saving disc space. I >use rsnapshot to backup to another server then back that up onto a >remote server. Seems to work pretty well. > >-Steve > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language >that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast >and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 >_____________________________________________________________________ >Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 5 16:28:58 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:28:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: MacOSX and WinXP together at last In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060405162706.M16170@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:39:18 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote > I couldn't resist. > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ Cool. There is finally a way to run an unsecure/infectable OS natively on overpriced hardware :-) I'll still have to try it :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From roy at mpk.com Wed Apr 5 16:32:38 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:32:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to be working In-Reply-To: <4432FA5E.6050802@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604051647.k35Gl6Bm011293@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, I guess I'm just lucky but I am unable to install the packages. See below: [root at server modules]# yum upgrade Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Upgrade Process Setting up repositories core [1/6] macromedia [2/6] k12ltsp [3/6] updates [4/6] webmin [5/6] extras [6/6] Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package ltsp_utils.i386 0:4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.0.0.3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.5) for package: ltsp_utils --> Processing Dependency: perl(X11::Protocol) for package: ltsp_utils --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 for package: ltsp_utils --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) for package: ltsp_utils --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package perl-X11-Protocol.noarch 0:0.55-4.fc5 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.5) for package: ltsp_utils --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 for package: ltsp_utils --> Processing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) for package: ltsp_utils --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.5) is needed by package ltsp_utils Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 is needed by package ltsp_utils Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) is needed by package ltsp_utils I added a fuse-lib and fuse but no difference. Any ideas? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:00 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to be working I updated my test packages to today's LTSP CVS. The fancy new LTSPFS feature is now working on our test server here at work. So you testers know the drill... run "yum upgrade", make sure you have "LOCAL_STORAGE=Y" in your lts.conf, reboot a terminal, and try sticking in a USB key. If the magic works, you should get an icon on your desktop for the device... -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 5 16:47:04 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:47:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <4433EF4F.4080203@orcon.net.nz> References: <215ff4410604050153q6642979r8a71a598f3acee41@mail.gmail.com> <1144228592.31548.25.camel@Biquet.tranquilit.local> <20060405102813.GB13960@dev.dyndns.org> <4433DB2C.6050606@umn.edu> <4433EF4F.4080203@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 11:24, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I want to set up a PC for disk to disk back up using BackupPC. I am > quite familiar with Fedora (K12LTSP) now but I have heard > recommendations for using SME server for a job like this. Are there any > good reasons to use SME server as opposed to K12LTSP for a job like this? > > Are there any points to look out for we setting up something like this? The config files on SME server are all built by perl scripts using templates and a database managed through a web server. That's great if you want to do exactly what someone else already built templates to do, but not so good if you are adding something new. I'd recommend either starting from the Centos-based version of k12ltsp which will be very familiar but has a longer expected life, or ubuntu which has the advantage of an available pre-configured packaged (but it's not that hard to do yourself). The main thing to plan for is that it is very slow to copy a backuppc archive once it has some history. It is best to put it on it's own drive and make sure it will be as large as you'll need for a while. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Apr 5 17:39:52 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:39:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: MacOSX and WinXP together at last In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443400E8.1010104@alltel.net> My question is: Why would anyone even *want* to. . . That's like a double-whammy. . . running an inferior, crappy OS on an even more useless computer system. . . JMHO - YMMV Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I couldn't resist. > >http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Apr 5 18:25:09 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:25:09 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: MacOSX and WinXP together at last In-Reply-To: <20060405162706.M16170@winonacotter.org> References: <20060405162706.M16170@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <10055.200.222.204.15.1144261509.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Apr 5 19:00:05 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:00:05 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <215ff4410604050153q6642979r8a71a598f3acee41@mail.gmail.com> <1144228592.31548.25.camel@Biquet.tranquilit.local> <20060405102813.GB13960@dev.dyndns.org> <4433DB2C.6050606@umn.edu> <4433EF4F.4080203@orcon.net.nz> <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <443413B5.1040504@orcon.net.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 11:24, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > >>I want to set up a PC for disk to disk back up using BackupPC. I am >>quite familiar with Fedora (K12LTSP) now but I have heard >>recommendations for using SME server for a job like this. Are there any >>good reasons to use SME server as opposed to K12LTSP for a job like this? >> >>Are there any points to look out for we setting up something like this? >> >> > >The config files on SME server are all built by perl scripts >using templates and a database managed through a web server. >That's great if you want to do exactly what someone else already >built templates to do, but not so good if you are adding something >new. I'd recommend either starting from the Centos-based version >of k12ltsp which will be very familiar but has a longer expected >life, or ubuntu which has the advantage of an available >pre-configured packaged (but it's not that hard to do yourself). > >The main thing to plan for is that it is very slow to copy a >backuppc archive once it has some history. It is best to >put it on it's own drive and make sure it will be as large as >you'll need for a while. > > > Do you mean that if I install ubuntu it already has backuppc installed? Our needs are not large we have 1 K12ltsp/file server with less than 40 active users plus 3 teacher laptops, 1 admin computer. Because backups are generally done at night and after the initial complete backup the incremental backups shouldn't be to big I was thinking of using IDE hard drives (200GB) on an old PII 350. To use RAID 1 would I need to get a RAID card or something? Would it be necessary? I also have heaps of 6 GB HDs (removed from PXE booting clients) that I don't know what to do with. Are they any use for anything? From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Apr 5 20:24:57 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:24:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq T20 thin clients Message-ID: <1144268698.4976.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi all, Is anybody using Compaq EVO T20's as LTSP thin clients? Can you access USB devices other than keyboards and mice? I have an opportunity to use K12LTSP to overcome a show stopper on these clients. They currently connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server. The students need USB for thumb drive access. The thin clients, running WinCE 4.0 can only access USB keyboards and mice. Thanks, Bert From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 5 20:43:59 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:43:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFS appears to be working In-Reply-To: <200604051647.k35Gl6Bm011293@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200604051647.k35Gl6Bm011293@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44342C0F.3080303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I guess I'm just lucky but I am unable to install the packages. See below: > > [root at server modules]# yum upgrade > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 is needed by package ltsp_utils > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) is needed by package > ltsp_utils > > I added a fuse-lib and fuse but no difference. Any ideas? I mistakingly added the 32bit version of the ltsp_utils package to the 64bit repository. That has been fixed. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 5 20:51:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:51:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <443413B5.1040504@orcon.net.nz> References: <215ff4410604050153q6642979r8a71a598f3acee41@mail.gmail.com> <1144228592.31548.25.camel@Biquet.tranquilit.local> <20060405102813.GB13960@dev.dyndns.org> <4433DB2C.6050606@umn.edu> <4433EF4F.4080203@orcon.net.nz> <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <443413B5.1040504@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1144270293.987.76.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 14:00, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > >The config files on SME server are all built by perl scripts > >using templates and a database managed through a web server. > >That's great if you want to do exactly what someone else already > >built templates to do, but not so good if you are adding something > >new. I'd recommend either starting from the Centos-based version > >of k12ltsp which will be very familiar but has a longer expected > >life, or ubuntu which has the advantage of an available > >pre-configured packaged (but it's not that hard to do yourself). > > > > Do you mean that if I install ubuntu it already has backuppc installed? No, but it is packaged so you just 'apt-get install backkuppc' to load it. I don't think anyone has packaged an RPM for fedora or Centos yet. But, it doesn't make that much difference. The only hard part is configuring the things to back up and setting up the ssh keys which you have to do anyway. > Our needs are not large we have 1 K12ltsp/file server with less than 40 > active users plus 3 teacher laptops, 1 admin computer. > > Because backups are generally done at night and after the initial > complete backup the incremental backups shouldn't be to big I was > thinking of using IDE hard drives (200GB) on an old PII 350. That might work, but I'd recommend a faster processor because there is quite a bit of CPU work in compression and duplicate matching. Newer IDE drives are OK, but you'll want to drop in a newer IDE controller card if you use an old PC. A linux pc used for something else in the daytime would be OK since the backups mostly run at night. > To use RAID > 1 would I need to get a RAID card or something? Would it be necessary? I > also have heaps of 6 GB HDs (removed from PXE booting clients) that I > don't know what to do with. Are they any use for anything? RAID1 (mirroring) in software is OK, but you want the drives involved to be on separate controllers (the cheap cards will have two controllers, so just put the drives on different cables). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Wed Apr 5 21:02:11 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:02:11 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installed on LIVE TV Message-ID: <44343053.3040902@hosef.org> Aloha All Some time ago HOSEF had the chance to appear on an hour-long Department of Education program called Tech Talk. The host, Kerry Koide, is very kind and user-focused. He asked all the right questions. While I find it quite annoying to see or hear myself, you or someone considering the implementation of a Free and Open Source Solution like the K12LTSP may find some value. The best part is the installation of the K12LTSP on live television. I then proceeded to boot an e-waste thin client (after I bumbled) from the freshly installed server. No takes. Live. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6214796151362299565 and for the original mp4 http://video.hosef.org/HOSEF_TV.mp4 --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From roy at mpk.com Wed Apr 5 22:08:55 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working In-Reply-To: <44342C0F.3080303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604052212.k35MCWRA031193@mx1.redhat.com> I just tried it and it works. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I guess I'm just lucky but I am unable to install the packages. See below: > > [root at server modules]# yum upgrade > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 is needed by package ltsp_utils > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) is needed by package > ltsp_utils > > I added a fuse-lib and fuse but no difference. Any ideas? I mistakingly added the 32bit version of the ltsp_utils package to the 64bit repository. That has been fixed. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Wed Apr 5 22:08:55 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working In-Reply-To: <44342C0F.3080303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604052212.k35MCWRB031193@mx1.redhat.com> I just tested it and it doesn't work for me. I did check lts.conf and the Storage option is set. A USB device being added only works if it's added to the server. Could it be a 64bit thing? Also is there any way to prevent attached storage on the server from showing up on the clients? I did check /media and /mnt and saw nothing there. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I guess I'm just lucky but I am unable to install the packages. See below: > > [root at server modules]# yum upgrade > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 is needed by package ltsp_utils > Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) is needed by package > ltsp_utils > > I added a fuse-lib and fuse but no difference. Any ideas? I mistakingly added the 32bit version of the ltsp_utils package to the 64bit repository. That has been fixed. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 5 22:31:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:31:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working In-Reply-To: <200604052212.k35MCWRB031193@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604052212.k35MCWRB031193@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4434455A.6080807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > I just tested it and it doesn't work for me. I did check lts.conf and the > Storage option is set. A USB device being added only works if it's added to > the server. Could it be a 64bit thing? Also is there any way to prevent > attached storage on the server from showing up on the clients? > > I did check /media and /mnt and saw nothing there. I just finished a 64bit install a few minutes ago and saw that I missed the "fuse" package as a dependency. I'm fixing that right now and will re-test it shortly. Try running "yum install fuse" and see if that helps. Here is the Trouble-shooting guide for LTSPFS: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:44 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, > LTSPFSappears to be working > > Roy wrote: >> Eric, >> >> I guess I'm just lucky but I am unable to install the packages. See below: >> >> [root at server modules]# yum upgrade > >> Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2 is needed by package ltsp_utils >> Error: Missing Dependency: libfuse.so.2(FUSE_2.2) is needed by package >> ltsp_utils >> >> I added a fuse-lib and fuse but no difference. Any ideas? > > I mistakingly added the 32bit version of the ltsp_utils package to the > 64bit repository. That has been fixed. > > -Eric > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 22:46:01 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh-agent processes and VNC Message-ID: <20060405224601.41687.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've searched high and low, and I can't find anything except for a vague reference to this problem. What is the fix for the ssh-agent processes that start with every instance of VNC and never die? All I've beenable to figure out is that it's got something to do with the /etc/X11/xinit/initrc-common file. I'd really appreciate any help with this one. I apologize in advance, because I'm sure it's been covered here already. I just can't seem to find it. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 22:57:12 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060405225712.77034.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: >I'd recommend either starting from the > Centos-based version > of k12ltsp which will be very familiar but has a > longer expected > life, or ubuntu which has the advantage of an > available > pre-configured packaged (but it's not that hard to > do yourself). > I recently test-installed backuppc on both CentOS and Ubuntu. Something didn't work right on the from-source install on the CentOS system (my fault, I'm sure). Installing backuppc on Ubuntu was dead-easy, so I never bothered to figure out what went wrong on the CentOS install, though it had to do with Apache. The next release of Ubuntu (due June 1, I believe) is going to be supported for 5 years. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 5 23:00:10 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:00:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up email accounts In-Reply-To: <4433ED1C.8090600@orcon.net.nz> References: <4433ED1C.8090600@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1144278009.987.88.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 11:15, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > How can I set up email so I can send email to the student accounts on > K12LTSP. Within the server it should just work when you've added the accounts. The fedora sendmail setup is intentionally broken so it only accepts mail locally. To fix it, edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl to DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl as the comments suggest, then 'service sendmail restart'. If anything is missing, you might need to 'yum install sendmail-cf' to get all the parts. > I would also like to use these email accounts for external access. What > port forwarding settings do I need? > I have been able to send an email from my local account to an external > account. How do I set it up so an external account can email my local > account? You need the change above, a DNS entry with an MX record pointing to your public interface, and if the email domain name doesn't match the machine name, add the name(s) to accept to /etc/mail/local-host-names and restart sendmail. If you don't have an interface with a public address, you'll have to set up port-forwarding so port 25 reaches the server. You'll also probably want some spam filtering. I like MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org) but there might be something easier to install. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 23:04:29 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:04:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh-agent processes and VNC In-Reply-To: <20060405224601.41687.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060405224601.41687.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 4/5/06, Rob Owens wrote: > I've searched high and low, and I can't find anything > except for a vague reference to this problem. What is > the fix for the ssh-agent processes that start with > every instance of VNC and never die? All I've > beenable to figure out is that it's got something to > do with the /etc/X11/xinit/initrc-common file. yes, you got the right file. if you don't want the ssh-agent processes accumulating then comment out the ssh-agent line in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common. it's near the end of the file. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 5 23:06:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working In-Reply-To: <4434455A.6080807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200604052212.k35MCWRB031193@mx1.redhat.com> <4434455A.6080807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44344D73.2070602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Roy wrote: >> I just tested it and it doesn't work for me. I did check lts.conf and the >> Storage option is set. A USB device being added only works if it's added to >> the server. Could it be a 64bit thing? Also is there any way to prevent >> attached storage on the server from showing up on the clients? >> >> I did check /media and /mnt and saw nothing there. > > I just finished a 64bit install a few minutes ago and saw that I missed > the "fuse" package as a dependency. I'm fixing that right now and will > re-test it shortly. > > Try running "yum install fuse" and see if that helps. > > Here is the Trouble-shooting guide for LTSPFS: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Also don't forget to add yourself to the "fuse" group. -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 23:08:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh-agent processes and VNC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060405230800.39757.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you very much! I'll try it when I get to work tomorrow. By the way, is there any good reason *not* to comment out that line? -Rob --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/5/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > I've searched high and low, and I can't find > anything > > except for a vague reference to this problem. > What is > > the fix for the ssh-agent processes that start > with > > every instance of VNC and never die? All I've > > beenable to figure out is that it's got something > to > > do with the /etc/X11/xinit/initrc-common file. > > yes, you got the right file. if you don't want the > ssh-agent processes > accumulating then comment out the ssh-agent line in > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common. it's near the > end of the file. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 23:22:58 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:22:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh-agent processes and VNC In-Reply-To: <20060405230800.39757.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060405230800.39757.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 4/5/06, Rob Owens wrote: > Thank you very much! I'll try it when I get to work > tomorrow. > > By the way, is there any good reason *not* to comment > out that line? Well I *think* ssh-agent securly saves your ssh password (after you type it the first time) so you only have to type it once and then you can ssh to the same host again without re-typing your password. But I have never used it so take this with a grain of salt. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From roy at mpk.com Thu Apr 6 00:02:10 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:02:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages, LTSPFSappears to be working In-Reply-To: <44344D73.2070602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604052356.k35NuAjc026523@mx3.redhat.com> SWEET!!! I now can see USB devices, Floppy drive and CDROM. This is completely awesome!!! Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Another update to the FC5/LTSP4.2 test packages,LTSPFSappears to be working Eric Harrison wrote: > Roy wrote: >> I just tested it and it doesn't work for me. I did check lts.conf and the >> Storage option is set. A USB device being added only works if it's added to >> the server. Could it be a 64bit thing? Also is there any way to prevent >> attached storage on the server from showing up on the clients? >> >> I did check /media and /mnt and saw nothing there. > > I just finished a 64bit install a few minutes ago and saw that I missed > the "fuse" package as a dependency. I'm fixing that right now and will > re-test it shortly. > > Try running "yum install fuse" and see if that helps. > > Here is the Trouble-shooting guide for LTSPFS: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Also don't forget to add yourself to the "fuse" group. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 00:09:57 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh-agent processes and VNC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060406000957.77472.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Well I *think* ssh-agent securly saves your ssh > password (after you > type it the first time) so you only have to type it > once and then you > can ssh to the same host again without re-typing > your password. But I > have never used it so take this with a grain of > salt. > -- Yes, that's what it's supposed to do. I guess I'm not sure why you'd run it by default every time you log in, though, particularly through a non-ssh method. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 00:55:06 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:25:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up email accounts In-Reply-To: <1144278009.987.88.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4433ED1C.8090600@orcon.net.nz> <1144278009.987.88.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <774593a20604051755r52046dc4qaf77f8c3335eaeef@mail.gmail.com> On 06/04/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 11:15, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > How can I set up email so I can send email to the student accounts on > > K12LTSP. > > Within the server it should just work when you've added the > accounts. The fedora sendmail setup is intentionally broken > so it only accepts mail locally. To fix it, edit > /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change: > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl > to > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl > as the comments suggest, then 'service sendmail restart'. This is dangerous as it opens your box for relaying mail and spammers can use this. I would suggest either adding a line like below to allow limited opening of sendmail: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=192.168.0, Name=MTA')dnl OR why not try kolab? I have found it very easy to set up and administer one step solution for mail, spamd and anti-virus. It just takes all the normal packages togther and delivers a admin interface very much like what webmin does for many services. [snipped rest] HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From computoman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 01:07:31 2006 From: computoman at yahoo.com (Eddie) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <20060406010731.43782.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Is ltsp 4.2 only 40k. I must have done somethng wrong? I will probably wait for the integrated version. the 4.1 integrated version was so easy to install and I have not had any real problems with it. I did have fun using mac osx 10.3 (using 10.4 is supposed to be a lot easier) by having 3 different mac users use vnc to access my old mac g3 from ltsp thin clients with different desktops. Three macs for the price of one. Ltsp never stops giving. now to do that with windows xp and a few tweaks i found on the web. (3*500 for the macs and 3*400 for the xp machines. I just saved almost $3000!) knowledge is power. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 6 01:10:15 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:10:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up email accounts In-Reply-To: <774593a20604051755r52046dc4qaf77f8c3335eaeef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4433ED1C.8090600@orcon.net.nz> <1144278009.987.88.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <774593a20604051755r52046dc4qaf77f8c3335eaeef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144285815.20494.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 19:55, Sudev Barar wrote: > > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl > > as the comments suggest, then 'service sendmail restart'. > > This is dangerous as it opens your box for relaying mail and spammers > can use this. I would suggest either adding a line like below to allow > limited opening of sendmail: > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=192.168.0, Name=MTA')dnl This line tells sendmail what address to listen on, not what it can relay. If you want it to accept outside email you will have to listen on a public address or port-foward from your public address. The default configuration for sendmail keeps it from relaying anything except from the addresses listed in /etc/mail/access, which is just the local host. If you want it to relay outbound messages from other machines on the local net you have to add the LAN address range (but thin clients really their email program on the server and appear local). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbetts at msad52.org Thu Apr 6 01:45:47 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:45:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking In-Reply-To: References: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> < > < > Message-ID: Very interesting. I am really tied up with local budgets and plans for another presentation. Can we plan a time to really put together the panel format? Sharon chan at sacredsf.org on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 2:52 PM -0500 wrote: >My NECC presentation touches on social networking and talks about some >Open Source tools but it'll be redundant and partly not directly relevant >to the Open Source sessions. > >-------------------------------------------------- >Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >Technology Network Coordinator >Schools of the Sacred Heart >2222 Broadway St. >San Francisco, CA 94115 > > >On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:29:18 -0700 >> From: Steve Hargadon >> To: chan at sacredsf.org, >> Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC >2006 (also >> looking for students!) >> Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:27:08 -0700 >> Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org >> Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org >> >> No, that's what we're generating right now. So far have blogging (2 >> people), podcasting, social networking, moodle (2 or three session), >> general intro. >> >> Got any ideas? >> >> On 4/4/06, Hoover Chan wrote: >>> Is there a list of presentations? >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >>> Technology Network Coordinator >>> Schools of the Sacred Heart >>> 2222 Broadway St. >>> San Francisco, CA 94115 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Hargadon >> steve at hargadon.com >> 916-899-1400 direct >> >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer >Reuse) >> www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in >Schools) >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org No generation in history has ever been so thoroughly prepared for the industrial age. -- David Warlick Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Apr 6 01:51:24 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:51:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard stops working after login Message-ID: <4434741C.7080704@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, I've got a weird problem. I have one user who can't use the keyboard after logging in. (She can type in her user name and password.) She's in KDE. When I log in on the same terminal as a different user the keyboard works perfectly. This is KDE on k12ltsp 4.4.2 (I think) How do you figure out the version number anyway? I tried rebooting the terminal and the server with no luck. Could she have bollucksed up some setting in her account that she's not telling me about? Thanks, ck From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 04:17:16 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installed on LIVE TV In-Reply-To: <44343053.3040902@hosef.org> References: <44343053.3040902@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 4/5/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Aloha All > > Some time ago HOSEF had the chance to appear on an hour-long Department > of Education program called Tech Talk. The host, Kerry Koide, is very > kind and user-focused. He asked all the right questions. > Nice to see your responses Scott. I was smiling when you were trying to explain FUD. I found it funny that your host kept harping on the "cryptic stuff" that kept scrolling on the screen. Funny how it's hard to overcome the ingrained mentality that it's "cryptic" like DOS. Until he saw a gnome desktop that is. Well done keeping your cool when things didn't go so smoothly during booting of the first client. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From tfrichtel at socal.rr.com Thu Apr 6 04:59:42 2006 From: tfrichtel at socal.rr.com (Tim Frichtel) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:59:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq T20 thin clients In-Reply-To: <1144268698.4976.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1144268698.4976.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <4434A03E.409@socal.rr.com> There are several versions of the T20. Some support PXE and should work. Others (like mine) don't support PXE and can't be easily booted. Tim >Is anybody using Compaq EVO T20's as LTSP thin clients? Can you access >USB devices other than keyboards and mice? > >I have an opportunity to use K12LTSP to overcome a show stopper on these >clients. They currently connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server. > >The students need USB for thumb drive access. The thin clients, running >WinCE 4.0 can only access USB keyboards and mice. > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Apr 6 08:20:26 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:20:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard stops working after login In-Reply-To: <4434741C.7080704@snarlnet.com> References: <4434741C.7080704@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <200604060820.26851.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 06 Apr 2006 01:51, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've got a weird problem. I have one user who can't use the keyboard > after logging in. (She can type in her user name and password.) She's > in KDE. When I log in on the same terminal as a different user the > keyboard works perfectly. This is KDE on k12ltsp 4.4.2 (I think) How > do you figure out the version number anyway? I tried rebooting the > terminal and the server with no luck. Could she have bollucksed up some > setting in her account that she's not telling me about? We have seen this, but we don't know what causes it. Go into the users home directory and remove the .kde directory. When they login again, a new .kde dir is generated and it all should be OK again. - This works for us but YMMV -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Apr 6 10:39:55 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:39:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: MacOSX and WinXP together at last In-Reply-To: <20060405162706.M16170@winonacotter.org> References: <20060405162706.M16170@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4434EFFB.8010704@msad3.org> Thanks Jim, I needed a giggle this morning! Mark Jim Kronebusch wrote: >On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:39:18 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote > > >>I couldn't resist. >> >>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ >> >> > >Cool. There is finally a way to run an unsecure/infectable OS natively on >overpriced hardware :-) > >I'll still have to try it :-) > > > From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Thu Apr 6 13:20:39 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:20:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Log-Ins Trashed Message-ID: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> Good Morning List, I'm conducting an iron test of a small K12LTSP lab. I've turned a group of 4th graders lose on it practically unsupervised and told them to go for it, try anything they like. I figure if the technology can stand up to that abuse, it can survive anything. So far I have been very impressed. After I taught one of the kids to turn the server back on after power failures my tech support calls dropped to zero. I've had a small handful of kids apparently screw up their profiles so badly that either they can't log in or when they do, their desktop is unusable. What I have done so far is to log in as root, save their files, delete the user, and then recreate the exact same user. This is working. Every time I do this, I get a "user files are open" message, even when this is not so. My question is, what's happening that's trashing their access to the system and what can I do to prevent it. Keep in mind that I'm new to this stuff so please use small words and short sentences. :) I've recorded some error messages that one of the kids gets when she logs in but it means nothing to me and it's rather long (more than five words). If you think it will help I'll pass it on. Thanks, -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 16:35:28 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:35:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gcompris problems and rollback question Message-ID: <9bd317560604060935q64203c51tb9bc1c28194b4c70@mail.gmail.com> Is anybody having problems with the newest gcompris-7.1.1-4.k12ltsp.4.2.2EL.k12ltsp.4.2.2EL? I can't seem to make it happen but our computer teacher says it freezes and suspects the new car game (sliding tiles). Also, if your /etc/rpm/macros has this: %_repackage_all_erasures 1, will that backup upgrades too. I can't seem to find the old gcompris rpm on our system. Thanks, Peter From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 16:57:35 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installed on LIVE TV In-Reply-To: References: <44343053.3040902@hosef.org> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0604060957g586adf0dua6ca9d9023da4cf3@mail.gmail.com> That was a very interesting piece. I also didn't know that Fedora originated from Hawaii. Bravo Scott Jack On 4/6/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 4/5/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Aloha All > > > > Some time ago HOSEF had the chance to appear on an hour-long Department > > of Education program called Tech Talk. The host, Kerry Koide, is very > > kind and user-focused. He asked all the right questions. > > > > Nice to see your responses Scott. I was smiling when you were trying > to explain FUD. I found it funny that your host kept harping on the > "cryptic stuff" that kept scrolling on the screen. Funny how it's hard > to overcome the ingrained mentality that it's "cryptic" like DOS. > Until he saw a gnome desktop that is. > > Well done keeping your cool when things didn't go so smoothly during > booting of the first client. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 18:43:57 2006 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:43:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to backup /home ? In-Reply-To: <20060405225712.77034.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1144255624.987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20060405225712.77034.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400d33020604061143s710d5c60sf967c70e9df5633f@mail.gmail.com> Earlier this week I used the directions here to install backuppc on Centos 4.3: http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=603 The directions are for FC3, but they work on Centos 4, (the only thing I did different was use the most up to date versions of backuppc, rpms, etc). The site above also include directions for setting up rsync/ssh with other Linux and Windows servers. -Nick On 4/5/06, Rob Owens wrote: > --- Les Mikesell wrote: > >I'd recommend either starting from the > > Centos-based version > > of k12ltsp which will be very familiar but has a > > longer expected > > life, or ubuntu which has the advantage of an > > available > > pre-configured packaged (but it's not that hard to > > do yourself). > > > > I recently test-installed backuppc on both CentOS and > Ubuntu. Something didn't work right on the > from-source install on the CentOS system (my fault, > I'm sure). Installing backuppc on Ubuntu was > dead-easy, so I never bothered to figure out what went > wrong on the CentOS install, though it had to do with > Apache. > > The next release of Ubuntu (due June 1, I believe) is > going to be supported for 5 years. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- H: 707.279.2846 M: 707.293.5091 W: 707.987.4100 x106 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Apr 6 18:54:45 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:54:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Log-Ins Trashed In-Reply-To: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> References: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <1144349685.21842.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mark, Next time this happens, prior to copying any files, issue the command: pkill -u This will kill all processes owned by that user. It sounds like some of the files are not accessible because they are locked. This typically happens when you copy dirs while programs are still accessing them. -Gadi On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 09:20 -0400, Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Morning List, > I'm conducting an iron test of a small K12LTSP lab. I've turned a group > of 4th graders lose on it practically unsupervised and told them to go > for it, try anything they like. I figure if the technology can stand up > to that abuse, it can survive anything. > > So far I have been very impressed. After I taught one of the kids to > turn the server back on after power failures my tech support calls > dropped to zero. > > I've had a small handful of kids apparently screw up their profiles so > badly that either they can't log in or when they do, their desktop is > unusable. What I have done so far is to log in as root, save their > files, delete the user, and then recreate the exact same user. This is > working. Every time I do this, I get a "user files are open" message, > even when this is not so. > > My question is, what's happening that's trashing their access to the > system and what can I do to prevent it. > > Keep in mind that I'm new to this stuff so please use small words and > short sentences. :) > > I've recorded some error messages that one of the kids gets when she > logs in but it means nothing to me and it's rather long (more than five > words). If you think it will help I'll pass it on. > > Thanks, > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Thu Apr 6 19:17:17 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:17:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Log-Ins Trashed In-Reply-To: <1144349685.21842.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> <1144349685.21842.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4435693D.3000003@chelseaeagles.org> Gideon Romm wrote: > Mark, > > Next time this happens, prior to copying any files, issue the command: > > pkill -u Thanks. I kind of knew that (but had forgotten). -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 6 19:10:40 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:10:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package Message-ID: <20060406121040.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dd2ee2cf79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 6 19:37:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:37:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Log-Ins Trashed In-Reply-To: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> References: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <44356E0F.1070309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Morning List, > I'm conducting an iron test of a small K12LTSP lab. I've turned a group > of 4th graders lose on it practically unsupervised and told them to go > for it, try anything they like. I figure if the technology can stand up > to that abuse, it can survive anything. > > So far I have been very impressed. After I taught one of the kids to > turn the server back on after power failures my tech support calls > dropped to zero. > > I've had a small handful of kids apparently screw up their profiles so > badly that either they can't log in or when they do, their desktop is > unusable. What I have done so far is to log in as root, save their > files, delete the user, and then recreate the exact same user. This is > working. Every time I do this, I get a "user files are open" message, > even when this is not so. > Users can also reset their own desktop settings back to the defaults. On the login screen, click on "Sessions", then select "Reset your desktop", then login. What this will do is delete all of the configuration files (it won't delete the user's files), copy over the default configuration files, and then log the user in as normal. -Eric From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Thu Apr 6 19:47:41 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:47:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Log-Ins Trashed In-Reply-To: <44356E0F.1070309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443515A7.6020307@chelseaeagles.org> <44356E0F.1070309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4435705D.1050305@chelseaeagles.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > Users can also reset their own desktop settings back to the defaults. > > On the login screen, click on "Sessions", then select "Reset your > desktop", then login. What this will do is delete all of the > configuration files (it won't delete the user's files), copy over the > default configuration files, and then log the user in as normal. > > -Eric Great. I bet that's exactly what I'm looking for. They break it, they fix it. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 6 19:52:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:52:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gcompris problems and rollback question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560604060935q64203c51tb9bc1c28194b4c70@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560604060935q64203c51tb9bc1c28194b4c70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44357186.4040403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is anybody having problems with the newest > gcompris-7.1.1-4.k12ltsp.4.2.2EL.k12ltsp.4.2.2EL? I can't seem to make > it happen but our computer teacher says it freezes and suspects the > new car game (sliding tiles). Also, if your /etc/rpm/macros has this: > %_repackage_all_erasures 1, will that backup upgrades too. I can't > seem to find the old gcompris rpm on our system. > > I'll see if I can duplicate the problem as well. Here is the link to gcompris version 6.3 which was in K12LTSP 4.2.1EL: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/gcompris-6.3-4.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Apr 6 19:22:39 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:22:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 Message-ID: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> All, Just wanted to let everyone know that I just made a new Ubuntu LTSP server with the latest LTSP 4.2 and it rocks. I was also able to see it in action at LinuxWorld Boston. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 6 20:17:58 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:17:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package Message-ID: <20060406131758.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9ecc485f86.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks for all of your hard work Eric. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] latest K12 package > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Thu, April 06, 2006 3:05 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Apr 6 21:16:02 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:16:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> Which version of ubuntu are you using? Brad On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I just made a new Ubuntu LTSP > server with the latest LTSP 4.2 and it rocks. I was also able to > see it in action at LinuxWorld Boston. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From milanofabio at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 21:47:04 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:47:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0604011620p1a18bd7ak8626f29472317887@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0604011620p1a18bd7ak8626f29472317887@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0604061447w7aed3c6dp61ff53fa1fd1ad48@mail.gmail.com> Hi David, Question: If I were to setup a dedicated LDAP/Samba server, can I keep my /home on the LTSP server? Thanks On 4/1/06, Fabio Milano wrote: > thnks David > > On 3/31/06, David Trask wrote: > > Generally speaking....fast hard drives (I use SCSI, but SATA might > > work).....gigabit ethernet....I have 500+ users and I have a dual Xeon > > with 2 gb RAM, but you should be OK with something like a high end P4 or > > AMD with around a gig of RAM. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Apr 6 22:04:10 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:04:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brad, I've installed it on both 5.10 and 6.06 (previously 6.04) -Paul On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 16:16 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: > Which version of ubuntu are you using? > > Brad > On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > All, > > > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I just made a new Ubuntu LTSP > > server with the latest LTSP 4.2 and it rocks. I was also able to > > see it in action at LinuxWorld Boston. > > > > -Paul > > > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From drloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Apr 7 00:19:19 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:19:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with gnome-applet-sensors Message-ID: <4435B007.9070700@cox-internet.com> I just installed LTSP4.2/FC5 on a server with a Tyan S2460 with dual Athlon MP 1800s. In installed lm_sensors from rpm, downloaded the sensor.conf from the Tyan website for this mb and installed it as per the comments in the sensor.conf file. I also installed gnome-applet-sensors and added Hardware Monitoring to the upper Gnome desktop panel. Everything worked fine until I did a yum update. Now I only get one temperature instead of two in the gnome panel. Typing "sensors" from the command line works fine, but the gnome-applet-sensors no longer shows two cpus. Has anyone else had this problem with temperatures sensors in Gnome? Dan From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 7 01:24:33 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:24:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0604061447w7aed3c6dp61ff53fa1fd1ad48@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <35c1344c0604011620p1a18bd7ak8626f29472317887@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0604061447w7aed3c6dp61ff53fa1fd1ad48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 06, 2006 at 5:47 PM +0000 wrote: >Question: If I were to setup a dedicated LDAP/Samba server, can I keep >my /home on the LTSP server? I suppose you could, but it kinda' defeats the purpose....if you want to do that....simply run Samba/LDAP on the K12LTSP machine instead (which can be done) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Apr 7 01:59:28 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:59:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> Paul, are you using this in a production environment? Off the top of your head, does ubuntu authenticate to LDAP? I didnt' think that it did. FWIW, I've been running Dapper at home for quite awhile now, and I've been very impressed with it...seems much more polished that breezy and warty. Regards, brad On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Brad, > > I've installed it on both 5.10 and 6.06 (previously 6.04) > > -Paul > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 16:16 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: >> Which version of ubuntu are you using? >> >> Brad >> On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> Just wanted to let everyone know that I just made a new Ubuntu LTSP >>> server with the latest LTSP 4.2 and it rocks. I was also able to >>> see it in action at LinuxWorld Boston. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> -- >>> Paul VanGundy >>> Information Technology Director >>> Epping High School >>> Epping Middle School >>> P: 603.679.5472 >>> F: 603.679.2966 >>> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >>> Registered Linux User #398783 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 7 02:54:20 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:54:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 "Ubuntu LTSP" In-Reply-To: <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brad, Yes, these are in production environments and they work very well. Let me clarify, the Ubuntu 5.10 LTSP server is in production. However, I have been able to get LTSP 4.2 up and running 100% on both 5.10 and 6.06. Ubuntu does authenticate against LDAP and Active Directory (basically LDAP). However, it's pretty painful to get it to do so at this point and time. That's the plus side of K12LTSP, 90% of authenticating against Active Directory (for example) is authconfig. In Ubuntu, there is no authconfig utility and you are forced to dive into .conf files and configure pam modules. That is something that I am currently working on and would like to see in a future release. However, I am currently in the process of writing a tutorial on how to set up LTSP 4.2 onto Ubuntu which with minor to no changing the tutorial can easily be followed to install LTSP 4.2 onto relatively any distro (FC5, CentOS, SuSE, Red Hat, etc..) giving you your own LTSP server on your distro of choice. I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. -Paul On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 20:59 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: > Paul, > > are you using this in a production environment? Off the top of your > head, does ubuntu authenticate to LDAP? I didnt' think that it did. > FWIW, I've been running Dapper at home for quite awhile now, and I've > been very impressed with it...seems much more polished that breezy > and warty. > > Regards, > > brad > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > I've installed it on both 5.10 and 6.06 (previously 6.04) > > > > -Paul > > > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 16:16 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote: > >> Which version of ubuntu are you using? > >> > >> Brad > >> On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> > >>> All, > >>> > >>> Just wanted to let everyone know that I just made a new Ubuntu LTSP > >>> server with the latest LTSP 4.2 and it rocks. I was also able to > >>> see it in action at LinuxWorld Boston. > >>> > >>> -Paul > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Paul VanGundy > >>> Information Technology Director > >>> Epping High School > >>> Epping Middle School > >>> P: 603.679.5472 > >>> F: 603.679.2966 > >>> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >>> Registered Linux User #398783 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Apr 7 03:00:12 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:00:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard stops working after login Message-ID: <4435D5BC.6070704@snarlnet.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:20:26 +0000 From: Martin Woolley >> Hi Folks, >> >> I've got a weird problem. I have one user who can't use the keyboard >> after logging in. (She can type in her user name and password.) She's >> in KDE. When I log in on the same terminal as a different user the >> keyboard works perfectly. This is KDE on k12ltsp 4.4.2 (I think) How >> do you figure out the version number anyway? I tried rebooting the >> terminal and the server with no luck. Could she have bollucksed up some >> setting in her account that she's not telling me about? > > We have seen this, but we don't know what causes it. Go into the users home directory and remove the .kde directory. When they login again, a new .kde dir is generated and it all should be OK again. - This works for us but YMMV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you very much for the quick fix. It worked like a charm. ck From milanofabio at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 05:23:59 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:23:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0604011620p1a18bd7ak8626f29472317887@mail.gmail.com> <35c1344c0604061447w7aed3c6dp61ff53fa1fd1ad48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0604062223p6db410c0p40820f8d47d2ed9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/6/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, April 06, 2006 at 5:47 PM +0000 wrote: > >Question: If I were to setup a dedicated LDAP/Samba server, can I keep > >my /home on the LTSP server? > > I suppose you could, but it kinda' defeats the purpose....if you want to > do that....simply run Samba/LDAP on the K12LTSP machine instead (which can > be done) Thank you, I will set it up on the K12LTSP > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dean at mumby.co.za Fri Apr 7 10:01:04 2006 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 "Ubuntu LTSP" In-Reply-To: <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> Paul VanGundy wrote: > I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. > > -Paul > It always nice to follow what someone else did when doing this yourself. So yes please keep us posted. Regards Dean From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 7 15:42:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:42:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package In-Reply-To: <44357491.4090502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060406121040.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dd2ee2cf79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <44357491.4090502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44368855.6020004@maltzen.net> FYI, the fuse package is not installed by default. 'yum install fuse' fixes it, but should it be installed by default? fuse-libs was installed during the system installation. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >>Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ron >> > > > I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 7 15:40:14 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:40:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 "Ubuntu LTSP" In-Reply-To: <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:04 +0200, Dean Mumby wrote > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. > > > > -Paul > > > It always nice to follow what someone else did when doing this > yourself. So yes please keep us posted. I started to upgrade my K12LTSP server at home last night to Ubuntu Breezy with LTSP 4.2. I am finding that the manual install is a lot more time consuming than I thought. I wouldn't mind some direction as well. I'll keep messing with it in the meantime. I can't wait to give my wife the new local dev support! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From atmlogic at kmts.ca Fri Apr 7 15:50:38 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:50:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package - USB Key support for thin client. In-Reply-To: <44357491.4090502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604071600.k37G0LmW031418@mx1.redhat.com> Just wondering, from what I read and Icon will pop up if you plug in a USB Key etc... So is this feature working with K12LTSP? Are you aware if it works with the any of the "disklessworkstations.com" thin clients? I really wish I knew if it works with Wyse 1200LE thin clients as I have about 45 of these... If it works, I would be totally amazed as the USB hardly works within windows (only works for Mouse/KB) Thanks anyone for any info. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: April 6, 2006 3:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] latest K12 package rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? > > > Thanks, > > Ron > I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 7 16:29:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:29:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package In-Reply-To: <44368855.6020004@maltzen.net> References: <20060406121040.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dd2ee2cf79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <44357491.4090502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44368855.6020004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4436936B.3090905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > FYI, the fuse package is not installed by default. 'yum install fuse' > fixes it, but should it be installed by default? fuse-libs was > installed during the system installation. > > Petre Yes, fuse is supposed to be installed by default. I'll double-check that it does so... -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> >>> Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ron >>> >> >> >> I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. >> >> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> >> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >> >> >> -Eric >> From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 7 16:31:18 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package - USB Key support for thin client. In-Reply-To: <200604071600.k37G0LmW031418@mx1.redhat.com> References: <44357491.4090502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <200604071600.k37G0LmW031418@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <34227.204.8.159.48.1144427478.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, April 7, 2006 11:50 am, ATM Logic wrote: > Just wondering, from what I read and Icon will pop up if you plug in a USB > Key etc... So is this feature working with K12LTSP? Are you aware if it > works with the any of the "disklessworkstations.com" thin clients? I know for sure that it works with the T-150 and T-170 from DisklessWorkstations.com. We demonstrated both of those after the last several days at LinuxWorld in Boston. No clue about wyse support tho. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > I really wish I knew if it works with Wyse 1200LE thin clients as I have > about 45 of these... If it works, I would be totally amazed as the USB > hardly works within windows (only works for Mouse/KB) > > Thanks anyone for any info. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: April 6, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] latest K12 package > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron >> > > I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 7 17:21:41 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:21:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 "Ubuntu LTSP" In-Reply-To: <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200604071752.k37HqRQU031594@mx3.redhat.com> Jim, Awesome. I'm almost done with the tutorial. I am hoping to have it available later tonight or tomorrow. This tutorial, although based on installing LTSP on Ubuntu, can be followed and slightly tweaked to be used with any distro. I'll keep all posted. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:40 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 "Ubuntu LTSP" On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:04 +0200, Dean Mumby wrote > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. > > > > -Paul > > > It always nice to follow what someone else did when doing this > yourself. So yes please keep us posted. I started to upgrade my K12LTSP server at home last night to Ubuntu Breezy with LTSP 4.2. I am finding that the manual install is a lot more time consuming than I thought. I wouldn't mind some direction as well. I'll keep messing with it in the meantime. I can't wait to give my wife the new local dev support! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 7 18:20:46 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:20:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package - USB Key support for thin client. In-Reply-To: <34227.204.8.159.48.1144427478.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <34227.204.8.159.48.1144427478.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: jam at mcquil.com on Friday, April 07, 2006 at 12:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I know for sure that it works with the T-150 and T-170 from >DisklessWorkstations.com. We demonstrated both of those after the last >several days at LinuxWorld in Boston. >No clue about wy >se support tho. I can vouch for that....as I was the one inserting and pulling out the thumbdrives a lot of the time to demo the icon popping up and going away. LinuxWorld was a blast and it was very cool to be able to show folks how far LTSP has come in just one year. Kudos to Jim and crew for all the hard work. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 7 18:25:29 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:25:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 Message-ID: Ok....just wondering....I heard a lot of talk at LinuxWorld and here on the list about making sure the user is a member of the "fuse" group in order to use the new local device feature. My question....can we somehow make it so that all users are members of the fuse group? (now I need to figure out how to script it for Samba/LDAP)....Matt? :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 7 18:29:29 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:29:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:25:29 -0400, David Trask wrote > Ok....just wondering....I heard a lot of talk at LinuxWorld and here > on the list about making sure the user is a member of the "fuse" > group in order to use the new local device feature. My > question....can we somehow make it so that all users are members of > the fuse group? (now I need to figure out how to script it for > Samba/LDAP)....Matt? :-) I ran into that last night. In Ubuntu the user manager doesn't let you assign groups to groups. I did modify /etc/gshadow and /etc/group to add the "fuse" group to the "users" group. I then set the "users" group to the default group for new users. Will that work? I fell asleep while waiting for things to download last night and didn't finish testing :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 7 18:35:51 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:35:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Create Linux restore CD's Message-ID: <20060407183021.M89819@winonacotter.org> Does anyone have instructions on a simple way to create a Linux restore CD set? I would love to do this for servers, but mostly for Desktops. Since no matter what distro is chosen there seems to be a multitude of add-ons that I have to slam on to customize to my liking, it sure would be nice to do this once and make a restore disk out of my new system. I imagine there is a problem with like hardware for future installs, but even if I could do this for sandbox machines to simplify restoring after hosing things up. I am sure I could clone or use backup stuff, but CD's or DVD's seem so much more portable. I always have a CD pack with me, but I don't usually carry around backup hard drives or my backup server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 7 18:44:36 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Create Linux restore CD's In-Reply-To: <20060407183021.M89819@winonacotter.org> References: <20060407183021.M89819@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4436B314.5020800@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone have instructions on a simple way to create a Linux restore CD set? I've heard Mondo has bare-metal restore capabilities. http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 7 18:51:28 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:51:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Create Linux restore CD's In-Reply-To: <4436B314.5020800@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060407183021.M89819@winonacotter.org> <4436B314.5020800@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060407185044.M37618@winonacotter.org> > I've heard Mondo has bare-metal restore capabilities. > http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml apt-get install mondo right now. Thanks, I'll check it out. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 7 18:54:01 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:54:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group Message-ID: <20060407115401.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3069879f43.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of the users. The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user (loginname) to a group. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 7 18:24:01 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:24:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP HowTo / Ubuntu LTSP HowTo Message-ID: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> All, The first version of my new LTSP How To is complete. This tutorial walks you through installing LTSP on Ubuntu. This tutorial can also be used to install LTSP on other distros if slightly modified. I might write a different LTSP HowTo for each popular distro but for now the first version is complete. If any one is interested feel free to contact me and I will email it to you. I also welcome all comments, suggestions and complaints concerning the tutorial. Thank you. -Paul PS - As a reminder, I have already written a tutorial on how to authenticate K12LTSP against a Windows Active Directory server for single sign ons if anyone is interested in that as well. -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 7 19:09:46 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:09:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group Message-ID: <20060407120946.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c7d91ee007.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Maybe something like this: NORMALUSERSTART=500 numentries=${#user_id[@]} for (( index=0; index= $NORMALUSERSTART )) ; then /usr/bin/gpasswd -a ${user_id[index]%*:} groupname fi done I haven't tried this, don't forget to substitute in the groupname. It starts at 500 so that it doesn't modify things like root, etc. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 1:54 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of > the users. > > > The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user > (loginname) to a group. > > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 7 19:16:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:16:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Ok....just wondering....I heard a lot of talk at LinuxWorld and here on > the list about making sure the user is a member of the "fuse" group in > order to use the new local device feature. My question....can we somehow > make it so that all users are members of the fuse group? (now I need to > figure out how to script it for Samba/LDAP)....Matt? :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > A bit less secure*, but much less work is to set the SUID bit on the fusermount command: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/fusermount -Eric * this allows everything, rather than everybody, to make fuse mounts. That opens the potential for attacks via php/cgi scripts, etc From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 7 19:29:04 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:29:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group Message-ID: <20060407122904.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.22fddb343f.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am testing the script without any luck yet. The command is the right one, however my logic or script format isn't right. ROn Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:09 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Maybe something like this: > > NORMALUSERSTART=500 > numentries=${#user_id[@]} > for (( index=0; index if (( ${user_id[index]#*:} >= $NORMALUSERSTART )) ; > then /usr/bin/gpasswd -a ${user_id[index]%*:} groupname > fi > done > > > > I haven't tried this, don't forget to substitute in the groupname. It > starts at 500 so that it doesn't modify things like root, etc. > > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 1:54 pm > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of > > the users. > > > > > > The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user > > (loginname) to a group. > > > > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Fri Apr 7 19:58:02 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:58:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP HowTo / Ubuntu LTSP HowTo In-Reply-To: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060407155802.keiowthlvokcgs0o@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Where are the howtos? Quoting Paul VanGundy : > All, > > The first version of my new LTSP How To is complete. This tutorial walks you > through installing LTSP on Ubuntu. This tutorial can also be used to install > LTSP on other distros if slightly modified. I might write a different LTSP > HowTo for each popular distro but for now the first version is complete. If > any one is interested feel free to contact me and I will email it to you. I > also welcome all comments, suggestions and complaints concerning the > tutorial. Thank you. > > -Paul > > PS - As a reminder, I have already written a tutorial on how to authenticate > K12LTSP against a Windows Active Directory server for single sign ons if > anyone is interested in that as well. > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 7 20:21:26 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:21:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group Message-ID: <20060407132126.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bb0c49b7df.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> This works good. I tested it on my group # 502 which is STUDENT. Just substitute the group number in the first line. for THIS in `awk -F: '$4 ~ /\<502\>/ { print $1 }' /etc/passwd` do /usr/bin/gpasswd -a $THIS fuse userdel -r $THIS done Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:29 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I am testing the script without any luck yet. The command is the right > one, however my logic or script format isn't right. > > ROn > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:09 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Maybe something like this: > > > > NORMALUSERSTART=500 > > numentries=${#user_id[@]} > > for (( index=0; index > if (( ${user_id[index]#*:} >= $NORMALUSERSTART )) ; > > then /usr/bin/gpasswd -a ${user_id[index]%*:} groupname > > fi > > done > > > > > > > > I haven't tried this, don't forget to substitute in the groupname. It > > starts at 500 so that it doesn't modify things like root, etc. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 1:54 pm > > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > > > Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of > > > the users. > > > > > > > > > The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user > > > (loginname) to a group. > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > > Conecuh County Schools > > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 7 20:30:39 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:30:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group Message-ID: <20060407133039.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.81194df1d5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Sorry, This is the correct script. I had left a Delete command in the script. Please don't do the same thing. You won't be happy with the results:( for THIS in `awk -F: '$4 ~ /\<100\>/ { print $1 }' /etc/passwd` do /usr/bin/gpasswd -a $THIS fuse done Just substitute the group number that you want to work with for "100" above. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 3:21 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > This works good. I tested it on my group # 502 which is STUDENT. Just > substitute the group number in the first line. > > for THIS in `awk -F: '$4 ~ /\<502\>/ { print $1 }' /etc/passwd` > do > /usr/bin/gpasswd -a $THIS fuse > userdel -r $THIS > done > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:29 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > I am testing the script without any luck yet. The command is the right > > one, however my logic or script format isn't right. > > > > ROn > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:09 pm > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > > > > Maybe something like this: > > > > > > NORMALUSERSTART=500 > > > numentries=${#user_id[@]} > > > for (( index=0; index > > if (( ${user_id[index]#*:} >= $NORMALUSERSTART )) ; > > > then /usr/bin/gpasswd -a ${user_id[index]%*:} groupname > > > fi > > > done > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't tried this, don't forget to substitute in the groupname. It > > > starts at 500 so that it doesn't modify things like root, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > > Conecuh County Schools > > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group > > > > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 1:54 pm > > > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > > > > > Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of > > > > the users. > > > > > > > > > > > > The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user > > > > (loginname) to a group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > > > Conecuh County Schools > > > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 20:31:32 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:31:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP HowTo / Ubuntu LTSP HowTo In-Reply-To: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 4/7/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > PS - As a reminder, I have already written a tutorial on how to authenticate > K12LTSP against a Windows Active Directory server for single sign ons if > anyone is interested in that as well. Yes I am interested in this Paul. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Apr 7 20:41:45 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 in ldap.. In-Reply-To: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44436.169.244.70.148.1144442505.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> I wrote a little script to add the group to ldap..inserted meself in it..and that works fine..still having a prob with libfuse ..i had to compile fuse so libraries were in the wrong place...David if you want it to alter for you setup i have it ..chuck From scott at hosef.org Fri Apr 7 20:47:48 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:47:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installed on LIVE TV In-Reply-To: References: <44343053.3040902@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4436CFF4.2090003@hosef.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Nice to see your responses Scott. I was smiling when you were trying > to explain FUD. I found it funny that your host kept harping on the > "cryptic stuff" that kept scrolling on the screen. Funny how it's hard > to overcome the ingrained mentality that it's "cryptic" like DOS. > Until he saw a gnome desktop that is. Thanks, Robert. I'm glad you took the time to watch. Booting a thin-client on television and can certainly challenge one's ability to explain why the scrolling, DOS-like text is a *good* thing. > > Well done keeping your cool when things didn't go so smoothly during > booting of the first client. Yes. Note to self. Power switches are meant to be on. :-) > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Jack Palmadesso wrote: > That was a very interesting piece. I also didn't know that Fedora > originated from Hawaii. Yes. Warren Togami had a class with Brian Chee, and from there the gaps left by Redhat's numbered releases were quickly filled by the ambition of the Fedora project. Red Hat sent a Fedora and a Letter to UH in recognition of the project that changed their release strategy. Brian Chee brought them to TPOSSCON this year so that Robin 'roblimo' Miller could take a photograph to an upcoming meeting with the letter's writer, Matthew Szulick. Pictures are here http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/tposscon2006/?g2_page=3 > Bravo Scott > Jack Aloha --scott From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 7 21:54:29 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:54:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group In-Reply-To: <20060407133039.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.81194df1d5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060407133039.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.81194df1d5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4436DF95.3090709@maltzen.net> Or for USER in `ls /home/` do useradd -G fuse $USER done Not sure what if any difference there is in this case between usermod and gpasswd; gpasswd is probably newer, perhaps better. I'm used to usermod, but that's probably just showing my age. Petre rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Sorry, This is the correct script. I had left a Delete command in the > script. Please don't do the same thing. You won't be happy with the > results:( > > > for THIS in `awk -F: '$4 ~ /\<100\>/ { print $1 }' /etc/passwd` > do > /usr/bin/gpasswd -a $THIS fuse > done > > > Just substitute the group number that you want to work with for "100" > above. > > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group >>From: rmcdaniel at indata.us >>Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 3:21 pm >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >>This works good. I tested it on my group # 502 which is STUDENT. Just >>substitute the group number in the first line. >> >>for THIS in `awk -F: '$4 ~ /\<502\>/ { print $1 }' /etc/passwd` >>do >>/usr/bin/gpasswd -a $THIS fuse >>userdel -r $THIS >>done >> >> >>Ron >> >> >> >>Ronald R. McDaniel >>Conecuh County Schools >>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>(251) 238-1890 cell >>1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >> >>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group >>>From: rmcdaniel at indata.us >>>Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:29 pm >>>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>> >>>I am testing the script without any luck yet. The command is the right >>>one, however my logic or script format isn't right. >>> >>>ROn >>>Ronald R. McDaniel >>>Conecuh County Schools >>>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>>(251) 238-1890 cell >>>1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>>rmcdaniel at indata.us >>> >>> >>> >>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group >>>>From: rmcdaniel at indata.us >>>>Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 2:09 pm >>>>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> >>>>Maybe something like this: >>>> >>>>NORMALUSERSTART=500 >>>>numentries=${#user_id[@]} >>>>for (( index=0; index>>> if (( ${user_id[index]#*:} >= $NORMALUSERSTART )) ; >>>> then /usr/bin/gpasswd -a ${user_id[index]%*:} groupname >>>>fi >>>>done >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I haven't tried this, don't forget to substitute in the groupname. It >>>>starts at 500 so that it doesn't modify things like root, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>Ronald R. McDaniel >>>>Conecuh County Schools >>>>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>>>(251) 238-1890 cell >>>>1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>>>rmcdaniel at indata.us >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>>Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group >>>>>From: rmcdaniel at indata.us >>>>>Date: Fri, April 07, 2006 1:54 pm >>>>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>>> >>>>>Here is the command. Just add it in a script that goes through all of >>>>>the users. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The /usr/bin/gpasswd -a (loginname) (groupname) command will add a user >>>>>(loginname) to a group. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ron >>>>> >>>>>Ronald R. McDaniel >>>>>Conecuh County Schools >>>>>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>>>>(251) 238-1890 cell >>>>>1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>>>>rmcdaniel at indata.us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 7 21:57:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:57:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Create Linux restore CD's In-Reply-To: <20060407185044.M37618@winonacotter.org> References: <20060407183021.M89819@winonacotter.org> <4436B314.5020800@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060407185044.M37618@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4436E046.3030200@maltzen.net> Also, check out mkcdrec. I used Mondo some years ago, even contributed some code to it. But the past couple of years I've been using mkcdrec for restore-to-bare-metal recovery CDs. I had some problems, which I've forgotten, with Mondo on Compaq ProLiants, which is why I switched. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I've heard Mondo has bare-metal restore capabilities. >>http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml > > > apt-get install mondo right now. Thanks, I'll check it out. > From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 7 22:12:28 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP HowTo / Ubuntu LTSP HowTo In-Reply-To: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48262.68.160.47.239.1144447948.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> paul, Both of your documents would be excellent additions to the ltsp wiki. http://wiki.ltsp.org Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, April 7, 2006 2:24 pm, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > The first version of my new LTSP How To is complete. This tutorial walks > you > through installing LTSP on Ubuntu. This tutorial can also be used to > install > LTSP on other distros if slightly modified. I might write a different LTSP > HowTo for each popular distro but for now the first version is complete. > If > any one is interested feel free to contact me and I will email it to you. > I > also welcome all comments, suggestions and complaints concerning the > tutorial. Thank you. > > -Paul > > PS - As a reminder, I have already written a tutorial on how to > authenticate > K12LTSP against a Windows Active Directory server for single sign ons if > anyone is interested in that as well. > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Apr 7 23:02:36 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] adding users to fuse group In-Reply-To: <4436DF95.3090709@maltzen.net> References: <20060407133039.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.81194df1d5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <4436DF95.3090709@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <55396.70.33.151.214.1144450956.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> thi is an ldap directory...just make a little ldif and "suck it in" with ldapadd,,chuck From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 22:57:29 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:57:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Message-ID: I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the weekend! I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with Eric's new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is that when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash with the following message in a console: [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing compliated on many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my webserver. The example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash die so fast I don't even know what is on them... I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing webpages behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was messing things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. Firefox dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or flash...no audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) Thanks, Jim From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 7 23:03:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:03:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the > weekend! > > I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with > Eric's new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a > client is that when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) > will crash with the following message in a console: > > [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox > The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. > (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) > > On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing compliated > on many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my > webserver. The example crashing page is a large image. Other pages > that crash die so fast I don't even know what is on them... > > I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing webpages > behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was messing > things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up > between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. > Firefox dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or > flash...no audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. > > Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) > > Thanks, Jim > Is this a 64bit or 32bit install? Can you give a link to a page that crashes on you? How much memory do you have in your terminal? (does setting LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf help?) What video card do you have in your terminal? -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 7 23:09:23 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Jim, LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the X-server is allowed to use. Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate as much memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the kernel would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. Almost always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your session. Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much memory it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the Xserver refusing to allocate memory. In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the free memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll encourage him to add it, and probably start it by default. As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves has been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's finished that. Hope that looooong explanation helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the > weekend! > > I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with Eric's > new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is > that > when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash with > the following message in a console: > > [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox > The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. > (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > function.) > > On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing compliated on > many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my webserver. > The > example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash die so > fast > I don't even know what is on them... > > I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing webpages > behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was messing > things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up > between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. Firefox > dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or flash...no > audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. > > Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 23:13:32 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:13:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Message-ID: Hi Eric, >Is this a 64bit or 32bit install? 64 bit With a tar of firefox from mozilla installed in /opt, it still crashes. >Can you give a link to a page that crashes on you? http://christiansens.ca/picKLE-0.3/picKLE-albums/2005/Basem-cement-foaming/hpim1283.jpg username and password both = family >How much memory do you have in your terminal? (does setting >LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf help?) This is an HP t5515 that worked fine with the old FC4-K12LTSP... >What video card do you have in your terminal? ATI Rage based I think. Thanks, Jim From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 23:26:06 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:26:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hi Eric and Jim, I tried the LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf then did a service dhcpd restart and rebooted the terminal, but no change- still a crash on the webpage serving the big image. Jim From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 7 23:29:29 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <53452.68.160.47.239.1144452569.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, April 7, 2006 7:26 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Eric and Jim, > > I tried the LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf then did a service dhcpd > restart > and rebooted the terminal, but no change- still a crash on the webpage > serving the big image. You have to make sure that ltspswapd is running on the server. I just talked to Eric on the phone, and he's not had a chance to test it yet. For now, I suggest setting XRAMPERC = 100 at least that will increase the amount of memory the Xserver is allowed to use. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Jim > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Apr 7 23:37:03 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:37:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> References: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I ran into that last night. In Ubuntu the user manager doesn't let > you assign > groups to groups. I did modify /etc/gshadow and /etc/group to add > the "fuse" > group to the "users" group. I then set the "users" group to the > default group > for new users. Wouldn't it be the other way around, add the users group to the fuse group? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 7 23:41:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:41:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <53452.68.160.47.239.1144452569.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <53452.68.160.47.239.1144452569.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <4436F8AD.9060100@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Fri, April 7, 2006 7:26 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >> Hi Eric and Jim, >> >> I tried the LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf then did a service dhcpd >> restart Typo on my part. It should be: USE_NBD_SWAP = Y >> and rebooted the terminal, but no change- still a crash on the webpage >> serving the big image. > > You have to make sure that ltspswapd is running on the server. I just > talked to Eric on the phone, and he's not had a chance to test it yet. My test install just finished. Sure enough, ltspswapd is not started by default (soon to be fixed ;-) /sbin/service ltspswapd start /sbin/chkconfig ltspswapd on -Eric > For now, I suggest setting XRAMPERC = 100 > > at least that will increase the amount of memory the Xserver is allowed to > use. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > >> Jim >> From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 7 23:50:34 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <4436F8AD.9060100@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <53452.68.160.47.239.1144452569.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4436F8AD.9060100@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <49800.68.160.47.239.1144453834.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, April 7, 2006 7:41 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> On Fri, April 7, 2006 7:26 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>> Hi Eric and Jim, >>> >>> I tried the LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y in lts.conf then did a service dhcpd >>> restart > > Typo on my part. It should be: > > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > >>> and rebooted the terminal, but no change- still a crash on the webpage >>> serving the big image. >> >> You have to make sure that ltspswapd is running on the server. I just >> talked to Eric on the phone, and he's not had a chance to test it yet. > > My test install just finished. Sure enough, ltspswapd is not started by > default (soon to be fixed ;-) > > /sbin/service ltspswapd start > /sbin/chkconfig ltspswapd on Egggselent. Thanks, Jim. > > > -Eric > > >> For now, I suggest setting XRAMPERC = 100 >> >> at least that will increase the amount of memory the Xserver is allowed >> to >> use. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >>> Jim >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 23:53:54 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:53:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <4436EFDA.9060708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hi Eric, /sbin/service ltspswapd start returns- ltspswapd: unrecognized service Sooooo I did a yum update and mt update wants to install 32 bit openoffice: openoffice.org-impress i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 1.6 M openoffice.org-math i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 1.3 M openoffice.org-writer i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 2.7 M openoffice.org-xsltfilter i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp How come? Jim From drloomis at cox-internet.com Sat Apr 8 00:25:37 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:25:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NTAVO Thin Client Message-ID: <44370301.3090005@cox-internet.com> I just bought one of the new NTAVO 6010P thin clients for use on our system. It is based on a 400mHz C3 processor. It appears to be a custom mini-itx board of some sort. The P Model that boots pxe normally lists for $249. Good news is it works like a champ. Boots pxe very quickly, video is excellent and it does not require any special configuration. It appears to be a very solid unit about the size of a ThinkNIC. Noise is minimal with only one small case fan. Also, it comes with a decent keyboard and mouse. Case is black, with two USB connections are on the front. Cost to schools and non-profits = $150 + $20 shipping. Definitely worth a look. Dan From atmlogic at kmts.ca Sat Apr 8 00:37:09 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:37:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP HowTo / Ubuntu LTSP HowTo In-Reply-To: <200604071903.k37J3T2n006635@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200604080040.k380eIbo025999@mx1.redhat.com> I think I would be intereseted in both of these as well, thanks, ----Andrew ATM Logic LEGAL DISCLAIMER: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee of this message, you are hereby notified that you must not read, disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the mail administrator of ATM Logic at admin at atmlogic.com immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. 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Thank you. -Paul PS - As a reminder, I have already written a tutorial on how to authenticate K12LTSP against a Windows Active Directory server for single sign ons if anyone is interested in that as well. -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Apr 8 01:21:59 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:21:59 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq T20 thin clients In-Reply-To: <4434A03E.409@socal.rr.com> References: <1144268698.4976.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> <4434A03E.409@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <44371037.3040107@rogers.com> Hi I would be interested in hearing whether the directions below also work on the Evo T20 (non pxe): http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#COMPAQ and http://neykov.name/t1500/ Tim Legge Tim Frichtel wrote: > > There are several versions of the T20. Some support PXE and should > work. Others (like mine) don't support PXE and can't be easily booted. > > Tim > >> Is anybody using Compaq EVO T20's as LTSP thin clients? Can you access >> USB devices other than keyboards and mice? >> >> I have an opportunity to use K12LTSP to overcome a show stopper on these >> clients. They currently connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server. >> The students need USB for thumb drive access. The thin clients, running >> WinCE 4.0 can only access USB keyboards and mice. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 01:49:25 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:49:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Still no go- Here is my lts.conf section for this client in our house- [home-thin] XSERVER = auto X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 # X_MODE_0 = 1152x864 101.43 1152 1208 1336 1560 864 864 866 903 LOCAL_STORAGE = Y USE_NBD_SWAP = Y Still, a webpage that calls a second separate browser window, or one with a big image will crash the browsers out of existance. No-luck-yet-Jim From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 01:51:23 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:51:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to mention that I also tried XRAMPERC = 100 but it didn't work. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 8 01:59:00 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Eric, > /sbin/service ltspswapd start > returns- > ltspswapd: unrecognized service > > Sooooo I did a yum update and mt update wants to install 32 bit openoffice: > > openoffice.org-impress i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 1.6 M > openoffice.org-math i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 1.3 M > openoffice.org-writer i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp 2.7 M > openoffice.org-xsltfilter i386 1:2.0.2-5.7.2 k12ltsp > > How come? There is no 64bit openoffice.org, 32bit only. -Eric From roy at mpk.com Sat Apr 8 03:53:39 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:53:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq T20 thin clients In-Reply-To: <44371037.3040107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200604080425.k384PNCI005233@mx1.redhat.com> Someone posted about a year ago or so on how to get your t20 pxe ready. But it was kind of work in progress. I wonder if anyone has made another stab at this. You can get the t20's real cheap on eBay. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Legge Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:22 PM To: tfrichtel at socal.rr.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq T20 thin clients Hi I would be interested in hearing whether the directions below also work on the Evo T20 (non pxe): http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#COMPAQ and http://neykov.name/t1500/ Tim Legge Tim Frichtel wrote: > > There are several versions of the T20. Some support PXE and should > work. Others (like mine) don't support PXE and can't be easily booted. > > Tim > >> Is anybody using Compaq EVO T20's as LTSP thin clients? Can you access >> USB devices other than keyboards and mice? >> >> I have an opportunity to use K12LTSP to overcome a show stopper on these >> clients. They currently connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server. >> The students need USB for thumb drive access. The thin clients, running >> WinCE 4.0 can only access USB keyboards and mice. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Sat Apr 8 05:33:28 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:33:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44374B28.7010704@McQuil.com> Jim, How much ram do you have in that workstation. Also, did you get ltspswapd running? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim Christiansen wrote: > Still no go- > > Here is my lts.conf section for this client in our house- > > [home-thin] > XSERVER = auto > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > # X_MODE_0 = 1152x864 101.43 1152 1208 1336 1560 864 864 866 903 > LOCAL_STORAGE = Y > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > > Still, a webpage that calls a second separate browser window, or one > with a big image will crash the browsers out of existance. > > No-luck-yet-Jim > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 05:45:39 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:45:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <44374B28.7010704@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim and Eric, I didn't answer Eric's question about the ram either. This is an hp t5515. It has 64 megs ram with a 32 meg flash hd. No, I could'nt get the ltspswapd running. I tried: [root at christiansens ~]# /sbin/service ltspswapd start -- and got -- ltspswapd: unrecognized service Also, a yum update comes back with the following error. I figured that maybe the ltspswapd may be in one of the updates but I can't get them because of this following error!! :-( Installing for dependencies: fuse-libs x86_64 2.5.2-4.fc5 k12ltsp 42 k gstreamer-tools x86_64 0.10.4-1 k12ltsp 17 k Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 3 Package(s) Update 99 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 181 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/4): yumex-0.99.16-1.0. 100% |=========================| 398 kB 00:07 (2/4): GConf2-2.14.0-1.i3 100% |=========================| 1.5 MB 00:16 (3/4): xsane-0.99-2.2.fc5 100% |=========================| 1.8 MB 00:13 (4/4): system-config-prin 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:09 Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: file /usr/sbin/ltspadmin from install of ltsp_utils-4.2.0-1.k12ltsp.5.0.0 conflicts with file from package ltsp_utils-4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.0.0.3 file /usr/sbin/ltspcfg from install of ltsp_utils-4.2.0-1.k12ltsp.5.0.0 conflicts with file from package ltsp_utils-4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.0.0.3 ============================================================================= ----------------------------------------------- From: Jim McQuillan To: jim at linux.ca CC: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us, k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:33:28 -0400 Jim, How much ram do you have in that workstation. Also, did you get ltspswapd running? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim Christiansen wrote: >Still no go- > >Here is my lts.conf section for this client in our house- > >[home-thin] > XSERVER = auto > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 ># X_MODE_0 = 1152x864 101.43 1152 1208 1336 1560 864 864 866 903 > LOCAL_STORAGE = Y > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > >Still, a webpage that calls a second separate browser window, or one with a >big image will crash the browsers out of existance. > >No-luck-yet-Jim > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 06:03:17 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:03:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK- I found the ltsp_utils and just forced the rpm update. yum update is working now. I'll go to bed and check in the morning. Jim From: "Jim Christiansen" Reply-To: jim at linux.ca To: jam at McQuil.com, jim at linux.ca CC: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us, k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:45:39 -0600 Hi Jim and Eric, I didn't answer Eric's question about the ram either. This is an hp t5515. It has 64 megs ram with a 32 meg flash hd. No, I could'nt get the ltspswapd running. I tried: [root at christiansens ~]# /sbin/service ltspswapd start -- and got -- ltspswapd: unrecognized service Also, a yum update comes back with the following error. I figured that maybe the ltspswapd may be in one of the updates but I can't get them because of this following error!! :-( Installing for dependencies: fuse-libs x86_64 2.5.2-4.fc5 k12ltsp 42 k gstreamer-tools x86_64 0.10.4-1 k12ltsp 17 k Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 3 Package(s) Update 99 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 181 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/4): yumex-0.99.16-1.0. 100% |=========================| 398 kB 00:07 (2/4): GConf2-2.14.0-1.i3 100% |=========================| 1.5 MB 00:16 (3/4): xsane-0.99-2.2.fc5 100% |=========================| 1.8 MB 00:13 (4/4): system-config-prin 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:09 Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: file /usr/sbin/ltspadmin from install of ltsp_utils-4.2.0-1.k12ltsp.5.0.0 conflicts with file from package ltsp_utils-4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.0.0.3 file /usr/sbin/ltspcfg from install of ltsp_utils-4.2.0-1.k12ltsp.5.0.0 conflicts with file from package ltsp_utils-4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.0.0.3 ============================================================================= ----------------------------------------------- From: Jim McQuillan To: jim at linux.ca CC: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us, k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:33:28 -0400 Jim, How much ram do you have in that workstation. Also, did you get ltspswapd running? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim Christiansen wrote: >Still no go- > >Here is my lts.conf section for this client in our house- > >[home-thin] > XSERVER = auto > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 ># X_MODE_0 = 1152x864 101.43 1152 1208 1336 1560 864 864 866 903 > LOCAL_STORAGE = Y > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > >Still, a webpage that calls a second separate browser window, or one with a >big image will crash the browsers out of existance. > >No-luck-yet-Jim > From petre at maltzen.net Sat Apr 8 13:12:21 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:12:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4437B6B5.5050509@maltzen.net> I don't think putting a group into a group works. I tried it a few years ago on Solaris but it didn't work. (I always thought that was a shortcoming of Unix/Linux). I think you'll have to use Ron's script or the alternative I suggested. Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> >> I ran into that last night. In Ubuntu the user manager doesn't let >> you assign >> groups to groups. I did modify /etc/gshadow and /etc/group to add >> the "fuse" >> group to the "users" group. I then set the "users" group to the >> default group >> for new users. > > > Wouldn't it be the other way around, add the users group to the fuse > group? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sat Apr 8 13:20:35 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:20:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> I wonder if this explains why one of my quite-reliable-on-4.2.1 clients, a Celeron with on-board S3 video consuming 32MB (out of 768MB total), for which Knoppix uses the XFree86(Savage) X server, breaks with 5.0.0. It boots, and X starts, but the login screen is a bit 'mangled' and the mouse doesn't work, and it's basically dead in the water. I'm not sure if it's a FC5 issue or LTSP. Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Jim, > > LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the X-server > is allowed to use. > > Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to > allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. > > In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate as much > memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the kernel > would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. Almost > always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your session. > > Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much memory > it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. > > Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the Xserver > refusing to allocate memory. > > In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the free > memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the > percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. > > To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 > and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. > > THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. > > The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by > either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. > > I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll encourage > him to add it, and probably start it by default. > > As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves has > been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's finished > that. > > Hope that looooong explanation helps, > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: > >>I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the >>weekend! >> >>I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with Eric's >>new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is >>that >>when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash with >>the following message in a console: >> >>[root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox >>The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. >> (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) >> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>function.) >> >>On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing compliated on >>many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my webserver. >>The >>example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash die so >>fast >>I don't even know what is on them... >> >>I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing webpages >>behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was messing >>things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up >>between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. Firefox >>dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or flash...no >>audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. >> >>Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) >> >>Thanks, Jim >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Apr 8 13:22:19 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:22:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] a nice lan communicator program Message-ID: <1144502539.22697.25.camel@server1.cisna> Hello List, Thought Id throw this out. If you'd like to have a good LAN communicator program that sets up very easily, over a lan and works with both Linux & Windows you should try Windows Communicator. You can download both a Windows or Linux based server piece, as well as a client for either Windows or Linux. The Linux based server is absolutely free,:) We did run the Windows server based WC for a short time just to try it to see how it worked for us.. I wound up using the Linux based server piece ,due to the fact you can connect unlimited number of clients. With the windows based server you can only connect 20 client machines. If you buy a license for the Windows server which is not much you can connect unlimited clients depending on your license pack. In running the linux Communicator server you simply create a folder. I done /usr/lib/wclinserver... then you simply copy the single executable into the folder ,then start the executable, and you now have a working communicator server. I also after a while made up a very simple startup script into the /etc/init.d folder to start the ex each time the server is rebooted for convenience. The Linux server piece only allows for simple text communication,as well as a "public message board" which is nice. With the Windows based server you can do file transfers,and even some games,,which i didnt think was needed anyway. We also use it to our two remote school buildings 15 miles away so administrators can communicate this way if they choose to. Simply open up port 5400 on each firewall and provide the public ip address of your machine running the WC server. Another upside to this setup is it simply "finds" whoever is online on your server. there is no adding,, so and so,, and again,& again. The only clug in this setup is on Linux thin clients using this you have to make a "kill" script,very simple as in ' kill -9 Communicator 'to close the client running program,when you are ready to log off, otherwise the client hangs and never logs off. The linux client has not been updated for almost 2 years so it seems outdated but does work as we have used it from FC1 through FC4. Dont know about FC5? Sorry for the loooong post. You can check it out here: http://www.communicator.pl/ Hope this might help someone . Barry Cisna From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Apr 8 14:02:54 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:02:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logic of group inside group Message-ID: <20060408070254.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d927683f1e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I still can't understand the logic behind wanting to put a group inside of another group. The idea would be to give the parent group added abilities/permissions. If that was the case, then why not just give the parent group those abilities and do away with the idea of a subgroup? It's just not making much sense for me... I think that the way Unix/Linux does it, add users to mulitple groups, makes the most sense. Excuse me, I'm just thinking out loud. Small children could get hurt;) Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From jam at mcquil.com Sat Apr 8 14:49:40 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:49:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> References: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4437CD84.9070009@McQuil.com> Petre, I think the problem you are running into with the S3 video chipset is caused by the Xserver. In previous versions of LTSP, we included both Xorg AND Xfree86 3.3.6. We kept the older XFree86 around because for some chipsets, including S3 and S3v, the support was better in XFree86 3.3.6 than it was in Xorg. With LTSP-4.2, we've dropped the XFree86 drivers which means you now have to use the Xorg drivers. In a test that I did with an S3, it worked fine with Xorg, but not all S3's were created equal. Can you try each of the following settings, to see if they work? XSERVER = savage XSERVER = s3 XSERVER = s3virge XSERVER = vesa One of those should work for you. If you get it working, let us know, and we can make modify the vidlist file to make sure that the correct driver automatically gets selected. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Petre Scheie wrote: > I wonder if this explains why one of my quite-reliable-on-4.2.1 > clients, a Celeron with on-board S3 video consuming 32MB (out of 768MB > total), for which Knoppix uses the XFree86(Savage) X server, breaks > with 5.0.0. It boots, and X starts, but the login screen is a bit > 'mangled' and the mouse doesn't work, and it's basically dead in the > water. I'm not sure if it's a FC5 issue or LTSP. > > Petre > > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Jim, >> >> LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the >> X-server >> is allowed to use. >> >> Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to >> allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. >> >> In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate as >> much >> memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the kernel >> would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. >> Almost >> always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your session. >> >> Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much memory >> it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. >> >> Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the >> Xserver >> refusing to allocate memory. >> >> In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the free >> memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the >> percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. >> >> To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 >> and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. >> >> THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. >> >> The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by >> either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. >> >> I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll >> encourage >> him to add it, and probably start it by default. >> >> As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves has >> been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's finished >> that. >> >> Hope that looooong explanation helps, >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >> >>> I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the >>> weekend! >>> >>> I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with >>> Eric's >>> new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is >>> that >>> when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash >>> with >>> the following message in a console: >>> >>> [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox >>> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. >>> (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) >>> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >>> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >>> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >>> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >>> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>> function.) >>> >>> On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing >>> compliated on >>> many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my webserver. >>> The >>> example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash die so >>> fast >>> I don't even know what is on them... >>> >>> I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing >>> webpages >>> behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was >>> messing >>> things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up >>> between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. >>> Firefox >>> dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or >>> flash...no >>> audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. >>> >>> Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) >>> >>> Thanks, Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> From moquist at majen.net Sat Apr 8 14:57:17 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:57:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Letter to Educational Institutions In-Reply-To: <20051220170044.F016073727@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051220170044.F016073727@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060408145717.GA18005@majen.net> We've got an open letter over on the Software Freedom Day wiki that is designed for folks to personalize and send to their school districts. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/openletter/education I've created a new page for a letter intended for local governments, and I'd love to see some folks collaborating to compose a solid and persuasive letter. :) http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/openletter/government If you click the "Wiki" tab in the top-right corner you can create an account. If you then return to the URLs above you'll have an "Edit" link at the very bottom of the page and you can add your thoughts. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Apr 8 15:40:58 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:40:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] You forgot the link to the how-to Message-ID: A lot of folks on th list would like to view your how-to, but you forgot the link. :-) Can you post the link to your new how-to? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 15:56:00 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:26:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] logic of group inside group In-Reply-To: <20060408070254.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d927683f1e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060408070254.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d927683f1e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <774593a20604080856m46f87a2cld391d366ae0033f7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/04/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I still can't understand the logic behind wanting to put a group inside > of another group. The idea would be to give the parent group added > abilities/permissions. If that was the case, then why not just give > the parent group those abilities and do away with the idea of a > subgroup? It's just not making much sense for me... I think that the > way Unix/Linux does it, add users to mulitple groups, makes the most > sense. Excuse me, I'm just thinking out loud. Small children could > get hurt;) > Imagine a group ClassOf2008 and groups Standard8 Standard 9 STandard10 Every year instead of adding all students to Standard9 and deleting from Standard8 Just add group ClassOf2008 to Standard9. SImilarly groups within groups can make administration much more easy. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Apr 8 16:35:31 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:35:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logic of group inside group Message-ID: <20060408093531.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4e1f37e7a9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I follow what you are saying, however, you still are simply having a student assigned to mulitple groups. Running a script to assign to a different group would be just as easy. You do have to take into consideration in your example that some students may fail or droup out and not remain part of the Classof2008 group. As for the group inside the other group, I don't see any difference than just having a user be a member of multiple groups. Aren't you still trying to accomplish the same thing??? Hmmm, I guess that all groups could be seen as a subgroup of root... Grouping students by grad year is a good example, then just add/remove another group as needed. I don't see this as a subgroup thing. Wouldn't using setuid or setgid work with the "fuse" problem? http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/index.jsp?topic=/com.fultus.suse.guides/guides/9_1/suselinux-userguide_en/ch25s02.html (sections 25.2.3 and 25.3.4) I didn't develop the script posted earlier, just grabbed parts of other scripts and combined. I am not that good with scripts yet;) Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] logic of group inside group > From: "Sudev Barar" > Date: Sat, April 08, 2006 10:56 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On 08/04/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I still can't understand the logic behind wanting to put a group inside > > of another group. The idea would be to give the parent group added > > abilities/permissions. If that was the case, then why not just give > > the parent group those abilities and do away with the idea of a > > subgroup? It's just not making much sense for me... I think that the > > way Unix/Linux does it, add users to mulitple groups, makes the most > > sense. Excuse me, I'm just thinking out loud. Small children could > > get hurt;) > > > > Imagine a group ClassOf2008 and groups Standard8 Standard 9 STandard10 > > Every year instead of adding all students to Standard9 and deleting > from Standard8 Just add group ClassOf2008 to Standard9. > > SImilarly groups within groups can make administration much more easy. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 16:42:26 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:42:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/7/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the > weekend! > > I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with Eric's > new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is that > when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash with > the following message in a console: > This probably has nothing to do with your problem but I just thought I'd put this out there. Are you running Firefox 1.5 ? Cause I think it has this "feature" that consumes much more ram ( on the terminal server ) to accelerate the back and forward navigation. That's why I'm sticking with 1.0.7. Although after reading this thread I'm wondering if it also consumes more ram on the X server (the client)? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 8 17:16:39 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:16:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] logic of group inside group In-Reply-To: <774593a20604080856m46f87a2cld391d366ae0033f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060408070254.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d927683f1e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <774593a20604080856m46f87a2cld391d366ae0033f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144516599.31206.30.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 10:56, Sudev Barar wrote: > Imagine a group ClassOf2008 and groups Standard8 Standard 9 STandard10 > > Every year instead of adding all students to Standard9 and deleting > from Standard8 Just add group ClassOf2008 to Standard9. > > SImilarly groups within groups can make administration much more easy. The question is, do you want the kernel to have to do this recursive lookup every time it has to make an access control decision or do you want a script to build the exact final group lists once when they change so the runtime lookup is fast? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 18:15:01 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:15:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install Message-ID: Ok, after the yum update and a reboot the lts.conf got renamed and replaced- I thought I'ld just mention this. Then with: /sbin/service ltspswapd start and /sbin/chkconfig ltspswapd on I actually have ltspswapd installed on the server. My lts.conf section for the client is: [home-thin] XSERVER = auto X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 # X_MODE_0 = 1152x864 101.43 1152 1208 1336 1560 864 864 866 903 LOCAL_STORAGE = Y USE_NBD_SWAP = Y XRAMPERC = 100 Firefox does NOT CRASH any more!! I don't know if I need XRAMPERC = 100. I'll take it out and check. Thanks everyone. From milanofabio at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 00:32:51 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:32:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Crashing In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0604031750u2c83029enc2fc34e53849af27@mail.gmail.com> References: <1144111012.2680.31.camel@server1.cisna> <35c1344c0604031750u2c83029enc2fc34e53849af27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0604081732w32ae0606l28333feb88894379@mail.gmail.com> Restarting the system, appeared to fix the problem. Prior to the problem I had loaded up SWAT and SAMBA. So maybe after loading SAMBA/SWAT the system needs a restart for Nautilus to function properly. On 4/3/06, Fabio Milano wrote: > Hi Barry, > > Thanks for the quick response. I will give this a try, but seems > strange that it would max out the CPU or HD, I got 2xOpteron and > scsi's. > > On 4/3/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > Hi Fabio, > > > > With Nautilus crashing it could be a miriad of things. > > Here's something that happened on one of our servers many moons ago, > > after many hours of trying to resolve pretty much the same thing. I > > thought it was memory related as this was a new server i had pieced > > together. I tried different memory combinations, and did end up with > > different "crashing" characteristics with each redo of memory sticks. > > After lots of trial and error i done a bios hard setting for the cpu > > speed and bumped up the cpu bus adjustment speed one notch then two > > notches higher. After doing this the server has never crashed period. It > > was usually Nautilus that crashed only and a couple of times Abiword > > would crash. This has been about 3 years ago, and after making the > > bios/cpu adjustment this server has never coughed once. > > Your scenario pretty much fits the same as this server. It seemed to > > always be directories with lots of subfolders and or files that would > > crash Nautilus the easiest.I'm guessing it was "working" the HD/CPU the > > hardest.Only difference is this was Fedora were you are using CentOS. > > You could try the same on your server box. Just enter the bios and step > > up the cpu setting one setting,and see if you have any different crash > > characteristics. the worst that can happen is the server will not boot > > up. If that happens just reset the bios on the mobo via the bios reset > > pins and try another setting. Hope this gives you some ideas. > > > > Take care, > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 9 01:18:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/7/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: >> I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the >> weekend! >> >> I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with Eric's >> new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is that >> when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash with >> the following message in a console: >> > > This probably has nothing to do with your problem but I just thought > I'd put this out there. > Are you running Firefox 1.5 ? > Cause I think it has this "feature" that consumes much more ram ( on > the terminal server ) to accelerate the back and forward navigation. > That's why I'm sticking with 1.0.7. Although after reading this thread > I'm wondering if it also consumes more ram on the X server (the > client)? The new Firefox feature that increases the amount of ram used is disabled in the version of Firefox 1.5.x that will ship with K12LTSP. To double-check (or to set it if you are using a non-K12LTSP firefox 1.5), startup firefox, in the URL bar type "about:config", in the Filter bar type "browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers". The value of this parameter should be 0. If it is -1, you can set it to 0 to turn it off. -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Apr 9 01:27:18 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:27:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Installation: From Iinstallation to LTSP Server Guide Message-ID: <1144546038.6043.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, The LTSP Installation guide, based on Ubuntu, has now been posted onto the wiki.ltsp.org site. Click on the following link to go to it: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/ltspguide.pdf There are probably some grammatical and spelling errors. I haven't had a chance to nit pick the document for errors. As usual I welcome comments, questions and suggestions at pvangundy at gmail.com or this email. I hope you find the document helpful. -Paul PS - If there is a distro you would like to see this document tailored to let me know. I have already had one request for SuSE. From roy at mpk.com Sun Apr 9 04:40:29 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:40:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Installation: From Iinstallation to LTSP Server Guide In-Reply-To: <1144546038.6043.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604090506.k3956DJu006618@mx3.redhat.com> Nicely documented -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 8:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Installation: From Iinstallation to LTSP Server Guide All, The LTSP Installation guide, based on Ubuntu, has now been posted onto the wiki.ltsp.org site. Click on the following link to go to it: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/ltspguide.pdf There are probably some grammatical and spelling errors. I haven't had a chance to nit pick the document for errors. As usual I welcome comments, questions and suggestions at pvangundy at gmail.com or this email. I hope you find the document helpful. -Paul PS - If there is a distro you would like to see this document tailored to let me know. I have already had one request for SuSE. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sun Apr 9 12:19:52 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:19:52 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us><1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain><44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Apr 9 13:06:19 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:06:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ramon, Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu (6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this time. I hope this helps! -Paul On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 09:19 -0300, Ramon wrote: > dosen't edubuntu come with ltsp? > > > > Regards, > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:04 +0200, Dean Mumby wrote > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > It always nice to follow what someone else did when doing this > > yourself. So yes please keep us posted. > > I started to upgrade my K12LTSP server at home last night to Ubuntu > Breezy > with LTSP 4.2. I am finding that the manual install is a lot more time > consuming than I thought. I wouldn't mind some direction as well. I'll > keep > messing with it in the meantime. > > I can't wait to give my wife the new local dev support! > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Sun Apr 9 13:41:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:41:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <4437CD84.9070009@McQuil.com> References: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> <4437CD84.9070009@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <44390F13.60706@maltzen.net> Specifying vesa seems to work. If I specify s3, it fails to start the xserver, although it does seem to make a switch to a mode with a smaller font and a penguin at the top during booting (is this a frame buffer mode?) It says to check the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.0.log, but I can't find any such file. Strange results: If I specify savage or s3virge, while it makes the switch to the mode with the penguin, it dies when trying to mount the root directory via NFS! It never even gets to trying to load an xserver. No idea why, as I haven't touched NFS. Is the support for older chipsets in Xorg now considered to be on par with the old XFree86 3.3.6? The lts.conf file lists 'XFree 3' drivers; are these all Xorg? I ask because I tend to use older hardware. Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > I think the problem you are running into with the S3 video chipset is > caused by the Xserver. In previous versions of LTSP, we included both > Xorg AND Xfree86 3.3.6. We kept the older XFree86 around because for > some chipsets, including S3 and S3v, the support was better in XFree86 > 3.3.6 than it was in Xorg. With LTSP-4.2, we've dropped the XFree86 > drivers which means you now have to use the Xorg drivers. In a test > that I did with an S3, it worked fine with Xorg, but not all S3's were > created equal. > > Can you try each of the following settings, to see if they work? > > XSERVER = savage > XSERVER = s3 > XSERVER = s3virge > XSERVER = vesa > > One of those should work for you. > > If you get it working, let us know, and we can make modify the vidlist > file to make sure that the correct driver automatically gets selected. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I wonder if this explains why one of my quite-reliable-on-4.2.1 >> clients, a Celeron with on-board S3 video consuming 32MB (out of 768MB >> total), for which Knoppix uses the XFree86(Savage) X server, breaks >> with 5.0.0. It boots, and X starts, but the login screen is a bit >> 'mangled' and the mouse doesn't work, and it's basically dead in the >> water. I'm not sure if it's a FC5 issue or LTSP. >> >> Petre >> >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the >>> X-server >>> is allowed to use. >>> >>> Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to >>> allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. >>> >>> In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate as >>> much >>> memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the kernel >>> would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. >>> Almost >>> always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your session. >>> >>> Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much memory >>> it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. >>> >>> Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the >>> Xserver >>> refusing to allocate memory. >>> >>> In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the free >>> memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the >>> percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. >>> >>> To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 >>> and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. >>> >>> THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. >>> >>> The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by >>> either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. >>> >>> I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll >>> encourage >>> him to add it, and probably start it by default. >>> >>> As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves has >>> been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's finished >>> that. >>> >>> Hope that looooong explanation helps, >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>> >>>> I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys for the >>>> weekend! >>>> >>>> I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with >>>> Eric's >>>> new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a client is >>>> that >>>> when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will crash >>>> with >>>> the following message in a console: >>>> >>>> [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox >>>> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>>> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>>> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. >>>> (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) >>>> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >>>> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >>>> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >>>> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >>>> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>>> function.) >>>> >>>> On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing >>>> compliated on >>>> many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my webserver. >>>> The >>>> example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash die so >>>> fast >>>> I don't even know what is on them... >>>> >>>> I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing >>>> webpages >>>> behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was >>>> messing >>>> things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up >>>> between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. >>>> Firefox >>>> dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or >>>> flash...no >>>> audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. >>>> >>>> Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) >>>> >>>> Thanks, Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sun Apr 9 14:20:08 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:20:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44391818.6080404@McQuil.com> Paul, saying that the integration of LTSP into Edubuntu wasn't done properly is really a mis-statement. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu implementation of LTSP is a brand new way of doing it, based on something we call the 'MueKow specification'. It's a specification for integrating LTSP into distributions. MueKow is an entirely different way of doing LTSP and it's an enormous amount of work. The implementation of LTSP in Ubuntu's Breezy Badger release is the very first release of MueKow-LTSP. The Ubuntu developers have taken on a huge task and come through with an awesome result. And, they did it in less than 6 months. Because this method of integrating LTSP is so new, and so much work, the Breezy release of LTSP is lacking some of the maturity that the original LTSP has, but it still works. We've worked with the Ubuntu developers on the Dapper release, and it's quite a bit better. MueKow was originally intended as an experiment, to see what it would be like to try to integrate LTSP into a distro using distro supplied packages, and based on the result that Matt Zimmerman and Oliver Grawert have achieved, I'd say it's a success, and I'm looking forward to more distros doing the same thing. In fact, at Linux world last week, we had several conversations with the Fedora developers, and they are VERY interested in integrating LTSP into their distro. We've offered the same type of help to Fedora that we are continually providing to Ubuntu, to make sure that LTSP is as good as it can possibly be. More information about MueKow can be found here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Paul VanGundy wrote: > Ramon, > > Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into > Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams > know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu > (6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this > time. I hope this helps! > > -Paul > > > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 09:19 -0300, Ramon wrote: > >> dosen't edubuntu come with ltsp? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:04 +0200, Dean Mumby wrote >> >>> Paul VanGundy wrote: >>> >>>> I'll keep you and anyone else posted if interested. >>>> >>>> -Paul >>>> >>>> >>> It always nice to follow what someone else did when doing this >>> yourself. So yes please keep us posted. >>> >> I started to upgrade my K12LTSP server at home last night to Ubuntu >> Breezy >> with LTSP 4.2. I am finding that the manual install is a lot more time >> consuming than I thought. I wouldn't mind some direction as well. I'll >> keep >> messing with it in the meantime. >> >> I can't wait to give my wife the new local dev support! >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sun Apr 9 14:22:42 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:22:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <44390F13.60706@maltzen.net> References: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> <4437CD84.9070009@McQuil.com> <44390F13.60706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <443918B2.4040700@McQuil.com> Petre, The selection of the Xserver has nothing to do with any NFS problems you are having, and it also has nothing to do with whether a Penguin appears during the boot. The reading of the lts.conf file to see which Xserver should be used doesn't even happen to long after the root filesystem is mounted via NFS. I suspect you have other problems on your network. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Petre Scheie wrote: > Specifying vesa seems to work. If I specify s3, it fails to start the > xserver, although it does seem to make a switch to a mode with a > smaller font and a penguin at the top during booting (is this a frame > buffer mode?) It says to check the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.0.log, > but I can't find any such file. > > Strange results: If I specify savage or s3virge, while it makes the > switch to the mode with the penguin, it dies when trying to mount the > root directory via NFS! It never even gets to trying to load an > xserver. No idea why, as I haven't touched NFS. > > Is the support for older chipsets in Xorg now considered to be on par > with the old XFree86 3.3.6? The lts.conf file lists 'XFree 3' > drivers; are these all Xorg? I ask because I tend to use older hardware. > > Petre > > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Petre, >> >> I think the problem you are running into with the S3 video chipset is >> caused by the Xserver. In previous versions of LTSP, we included >> both Xorg AND Xfree86 3.3.6. We kept the older XFree86 around >> because for some chipsets, including S3 and S3v, the support was >> better in XFree86 3.3.6 than it was in Xorg. With LTSP-4.2, we've >> dropped the XFree86 drivers which means you now have to use the Xorg >> drivers. In a test that I did with an S3, it worked fine with Xorg, >> but not all S3's were created equal. >> >> Can you try each of the following settings, to see if they work? >> >> XSERVER = savage >> XSERVER = s3 >> XSERVER = s3virge >> XSERVER = vesa >> >> One of those should work for you. >> >> If you get it working, let us know, and we can make modify the >> vidlist file to make sure that the correct driver automatically gets >> selected. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I wonder if this explains why one of my quite-reliable-on-4.2.1 >>> clients, a Celeron with on-board S3 video consuming 32MB (out of >>> 768MB total), for which Knoppix uses the XFree86(Savage) X server, >>> breaks with 5.0.0. It boots, and X starts, but the login screen is >>> a bit 'mangled' and the mouse doesn't work, and it's basically dead >>> in the water. I'm not sure if it's a FC5 issue or LTSP. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the >>>> X-server >>>> is allowed to use. >>>> >>>> Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to >>>> allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. >>>> >>>> In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate >>>> as much >>>> memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the >>>> kernel >>>> would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. >>>> Almost >>>> always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your >>>> session. >>>> >>>> Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much >>>> memory >>>> it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the >>>> Xserver >>>> refusing to allocate memory. >>>> >>>> In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the >>>> free >>>> memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the >>>> percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. >>>> >>>> To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 >>>> and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. >>>> >>>> THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. >>>> >>>> The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by >>>> either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll >>>> encourage >>>> him to add it, and probably start it by default. >>>> >>>> As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves >>>> has >>>> been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's >>>> finished >>>> that. >>>> >>>> Hope that looooong explanation helps, >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >>>> On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys >>>>> for the >>>>> weekend! >>>>> >>>>> I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with >>>>> Eric's >>>>> new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a >>>>> client is >>>>> that >>>>> when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will >>>>> crash with >>>>> the following message in a console: >>>>> >>>>> [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox >>>>> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>>>> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>>>> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. >>>>> (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) >>>>> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported >>>>> asynchronously; >>>>> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >>>>> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >>>>> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >>>>> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>>>> function.) >>>>> >>>>> On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing >>>>> compliated on >>>>> many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my >>>>> webserver. >>>>> The >>>>> example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash >>>>> die so >>>>> fast >>>>> I don't even know what is on them... >>>>> >>>>> I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing >>>>> webpages >>>>> behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was >>>>> messing >>>>> things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up >>>>> between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. >>>>> Firefox >>>>> dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or >>>>> flash...no >>>>> audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Apr 9 14:36:24 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> < > <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> < > <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 9:06 AM +0000 wrote: >Ramon, > >Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into >Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams >know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu >(6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this >time. I hope this helps! > >-Paul Actually, it's not that it wasn't done properly, but yet it was done differently. This is actually a MueKow implementation of LTSP. AND...remember that the LTSP bits were essentially shoved into Edubuntu just prior to the last release in October, thus there is a long way to go. I know we'll see a huge improvement in Dapper as Oliver Grauwert and the rest of the Edubuntu team are working hard on this. So....it's not that it wasn't done properly....it was indeed....in fact it's pretty cool to see the result of one of the first MueKow implementations. Now...I do happen to agree that I would not recommend this implementation of Edubuntu/LTSP for production use...and the Edubuntu guys would agree with me. The Breezy implementation was more of a "proof-of-concept" as opposed to the release we should see with Dapper. Also....Matt and I met at length with Warren Togami, Chris DeKoneigsburg, and several other Fedora/Redhat folks about LTSP, K12LTSP (in particular) , and Linux in Education in general. It was such an exciting conversation/meeting that I still have goosebumps. Warren and Chris are very cool and they too shared our enthusiasm for Linux in education. Many...many...points were discussed, but in short....we're going to see some seriously cool support for the K12LTSP project and Linux in Education in general coming our way over the next few months. Hang on....it's going to be a great ride! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Sun Apr 9 15:08:58 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:08:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> < > <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> < > <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4439238A.50600@McQuil.com> David Trask wrote: > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 9:06 AM +0000 > wrote: > >> Ramon, >> >> Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into >> Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams >> know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu >> (6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this >> time. I hope this helps! >> >> -Paul >> > > Actually, it's not that it wasn't done properly, but yet it was done > differently. This is actually a MueKow implementation of LTSP. > AND...remember that the LTSP bits were essentially shoved into Edubuntu > just prior to the last release in October, thus there is a long way to go. > I'm not sure where you got the idea that the LTSP bits were shoved into Edubuntu just prior to release in October. There were 4 of us LTSP/K12LTSP guys at the Ubuntu developers meeting in Sydney at the end of April, working VERY closely with the Ubuntu developers, to put LTSP into Breezy Ubuntu and Edubuntu. In fact, preliminary work on this was started at a meeting in Portland Oregon, between Eric Harrison, Matt Zimmerman and myself at the end of February 2005. So, to think that LTSP in Edubuntu was a last minute thing is both inaccurate and an insult to the developers that worked so hard on the LTSP/Ubuntu integration. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > I know we'll see a huge improvement in Dapper as Oliver Grauwert and the > rest of the Edubuntu team are working hard on this. So....it's not that > it wasn't done properly....it was indeed....in fact it's pretty cool to > see the result of one of the first MueKow implementations. Now...I do > happen to agree that I would not recommend this implementation of > Edubuntu/LTSP for production use...and the Edubuntu guys would agree with > me. The Breezy implementation was more of a "proof-of-concept" as opposed > to the release we should see with Dapper. > > Also....Matt and I met at length with Warren Togami, Chris DeKoneigsburg, > and several other Fedora/Redhat folks about LTSP, K12LTSP (in particular) > , and Linux in Education in general. It was such an exciting > conversation/meeting that I still have goosebumps. Warren and Chris are > very cool and they too shared our enthusiasm for Linux in education. > Many...many...points were discussed, but in short....we're going to see > some seriously cool support for the K12LTSP project and Linux in Education > in general coming our way over the next few months. Hang on....it's going > to be a great ride! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Apr 9 16:38:21 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:38:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <4439238A.50600@McQuil.com> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> < > <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> < > <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4439238A.50600@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060409123821.g08kun2q880wsokk@neatmail.unh.edu> All, I have been corrected. -Paul Quoting Jim McQuillan : > > > David Trask wrote: >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 9:06 AM +0000 >> wrote: >> >>> Ramon, >>> >>> Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into >>> Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams >>> know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu >>> (6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this >>> time. I hope this helps! >>> >>> -Paul >> >> Actually, it's not that it wasn't done properly, but yet it was done >> differently. This is actually a MueKow implementation of LTSP. >> AND...remember that the LTSP bits were essentially shoved into >> Edubuntu >> just prior to the last release in October, thus there is a long way to go. >> > I'm not sure where you got the idea that the LTSP bits were shoved > into Edubuntu just prior to release in October. > > There were 4 of us LTSP/K12LTSP guys at the Ubuntu developers meeting > in Sydney at the end of April, working VERY closely with the Ubuntu > developers, to put LTSP into Breezy Ubuntu and Edubuntu. In fact, > preliminary work on this was started at a meeting in Portland Oregon, > between Eric Harrison, Matt Zimmerman and myself at the end of > February 2005. So, to think that LTSP in Edubuntu was a last minute > thing is both inaccurate and an insult to the developers that worked > so hard on the LTSP/Ubuntu integration. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > >> I know we'll see a huge improvement in Dapper as Oliver Grauwert and the >> rest of the Edubuntu team are working hard on this. So....it's not that >> it wasn't done properly....it was indeed....in fact it's pretty cool to >> see the result of one of the first MueKow implementations. Now...I do >> happen to agree that I would not recommend this implementation of >> Edubuntu/LTSP for production use...and the Edubuntu guys would agree with >> me. The Breezy implementation was more of a "proof-of-concept" as opposed >> to the release we should see with Dapper. Also....Matt and I met at >> length with Warren Togami, Chris DeKoneigsburg, >> and several other Fedora/Redhat folks about LTSP, K12LTSP (in particular) >> , and Linux in Education in general. It was such an exciting >> conversation/meeting that I still have goosebumps. Warren and Chris are >> very cool and they too shared our enthusiasm for Linux in education. >> Many...many...points were discussed, but in short....we're going to >> see >> some seriously cool support for the K12LTSP project and Linux in Education >> in general coming our way over the next few months. Hang on....it's going >> to be a great ride! >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > -- Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping Middle High School/SAU 603.679.5472 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 17:59:39 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:59:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package Message-ID: <040920061759.29621.44394B8B0008B59A000073B522070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> On the same note: after installing, running modprobe fuse leads to []10] modprobe fuse FATAL: Module fuse not found. Finally, on the thin client, cat /etc/fstab returns nothing. These are two separate issues, but not having any luck with either of them. So ... wanted to run yum upgrade and take my chances with the latest, but my k12ltsp yum repositories must be messed up. Can someone please post the correct entries for k12ltsp.repo, or suggest why either of the above are failing? When I plug in the usb device, it is recognized by the thin client, and I get an attaced scsi removabl disk sda message. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Petre Scheie > FYI, the fuse package is not installed by default. 'yum install fuse' > fixes it, but should it be installed by default? fuse-libs was > installed during the system installation. > > Petre > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > >>Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? > >> > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Ron > >> > > > > > > I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. > > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From luis.montes at cox.net Sun Apr 9 18:15:31 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:15:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 Beta1 feedback. Message-ID: <44394F43.7060404@cox.net> Ran yum update and noticed some ltsp stuff, so this feedback is based on what I think is the latest. Few things so far... 1. ltspcfg showed that NFS wasn't correctly set up. I think some stuff got missed from /etc/exports 2. The "named" service fails at bootup with a message about not finding /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf 3. The menus in icewm are empty except for a few things. This is very different than what KDE & Gnome have. The icewm menus were also empty in last summers' build. Any thing I could do to help with that before this one goes final? Still having trouble booting a client with this version, but as soon as I get one going I'll give more feedback on local device stuff. -Luis From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 18:49:45 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:49:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User access to local usb on FC5 + K12LTSP4.2 = imaginary files Message-ID: Now that the firefox troubles have been fixed up I'm back to working on my local usb issues. I've worked through http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting and everything appears to check out. Group/users, display names, daemons running ... The trouble is that only one user can really access and read/write any usb stick. Other non-root users have a usb device appear on the Desktop at plugin, but the actual contents of the stick do not show up. What appears is some imaginary list of files that users attempt to write to the stick. If the stick is inserted into a standalone box as any other user you see what is actually there on it. Yank it back out and stick it back in a client and the imaginary list of files dragged into it shows up again. Also, for the one non-root user that it works for, the space on the stick is represented properly- for others, the space remaining seems to be the remaining space on my /home partition. Does anyone else have the same thing happening? Jim From jam at mcquil.com Sun Apr 9 20:28:20 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:28:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User access to local usb on FC5 + K12LTSP4.2 = imaginary files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44396E64.6050000@McQuil.com> still sounds like a group issue to me. If the user isn't part of the 'fuse' group, then the usb stick won't really be mounted. But, the mount point is still there. SO, if you copy anything to it, it'll actually be copied to your ~/Drives/mountpoint folder. It'll never copy to the actual usb stick. Pick one of the users that isn't working, and pop open a terminal session and run 'id' and see what groups the user is part of. I'm guessing you won't see 'fuse' there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim Christiansen wrote: > Now that the firefox troubles have been fixed up I'm back to working > on my local usb issues. > > I've worked through > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > and everything appears to check out. Group/users, display names, > daemons running ... > > The trouble is that only one user can really access and read/write any > usb stick. Other non-root users have a usb device appear on the > Desktop at plugin, but the actual contents of the stick do not show > up. What appears is some imaginary list of files that users attempt > to write to the stick. If the stick is inserted into a standalone box > as any other user you see what is actually there on it. Yank it back > out and stick it back in a client and the imaginary list of files > dragged into it shows up again. Also, for the one non-root user that > it works for, the space on the stick is represented properly- for > others, the space remaining seems to be the remaining space on my > /home partition. > > Does anyone else have the same thing happening? > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 20:38:39 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:38:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User access to local usb on FC5 + K12LTSP4.2 = imaginary files In-Reply-To: <44396E64.6050000@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, A super busy time for you. Congratulations to you and your team on the new 4.2. Here is what I get: [k at christiansens ~]$ id uid=502(k) gid=503(k) groups=100(users),102(fuse),503(k) [k at christiansens ~]$ ===================================================== still sounds like a group issue to me. If the user isn't part of the 'fuse' group, then the usb stick won't really be mounted. But, the mount point is still there. SO, if you copy anything to it, it'll actually be copied to your ~/Drives/mountpoint folder. It'll never copy to the actual usb stick. Pick one of the users that isn't working, and pop open a terminal session and run 'id' and see what groups the user is part of. I'm guessing you won't see 'fuse' there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 10 02:21:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:21:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <4439238A.50600@McQuil.com> References: <200604061959.k36JxbWi022292@mx1.redhat.com> < > < > < > <22E6D867-A0B0-460B-87D8-CA0F9CD3BD56@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <1144361051.16250.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <381874B1-9846-481C-B70E-9FEDC12AE2FD@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <1144378460.21215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <44363860.3020803@mumby.co.za> < > <20060407153824.M61840@winonacotter.org> < > < > < > <42422.201.8.66.74.1144585192.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> < > <1144587979.4266.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <4439238A.50600@McQuil.com> Message-ID: >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 9:06 AM +0000 >wrote: >>Ramon, >> >>Excellent question. Yes, it does. However the integration of LTSP into >>Edubuntu wasn't done properly. The Ubuntu/Edubuntu development teams >>know this and are trying to correct it in their next version of Edubuntu >>(6.06). Therefore, Edubuntu isn't a reliable LTSP distribution at this >>time. I hope this helps! >> >>-Paul > >Actually, it's not that it wasn't done properly, but yet it was done >differently. This is actually a MueKow implementation of LTSP. >AND...remember that the LTSP bits were essentially shoved into Edubuntu >just prior to the last release in October, thus there is a long way to go. > I know we'll see a huge improvement in Dapper as Oliver Grauwert and the >rest of the Edubuntu team are working hard on this. So....it's not that >it wasn't done properly....it was indeed....in fact it's pretty cool to >see the result of one of the first MueKow implementations. Now...I do >happen to agree that I would not recommend this implementation of >Edubuntu/LTSP for production use...and the Edubuntu guys would agree with >me. The Breezy implementation was more of a "proof-of-concept" as opposed >to the release we should see with Dapper. > >Also....Matt and I met at length with Warren Togami, Chris DeKoneigsburg, >and several other Fedora/Redhat folks about LTSP, K12LTSP (in particular) >, and Linux in Education in general. It was such an exciting >conversation/meeting that I still have goosebumps. Warren and Chris are >very cool and they too shared our enthusiasm for Linux in education. >Many...many...points were discussed, but in short....we're going to see >some seriously cool support for the K12LTSP project and Linux in Education >in general coming our way over the next few months. Hang on....it's going >to be a great ride! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 11:08 AM +0000 wrote: >> I'm not sure where you got the idea that the LTSP bits were shoved >> into Edubuntu just prior to release in October. >There were 4 of us LTSP/K12LTSP guys at the Ubuntu developers meeting in >Sydney at the end of April, working VERY closely with the Ubuntu >developers, to put LTSP into Breezy Ubuntu and Edubuntu. In fact, >preliminary work on this was started at a meeting in Portland Oregon, >between Eric Harrison, Matt Zimmerman and myself at the end of February >2005. So, to think that LTSP in Edubuntu was a last minute thing is >both inaccurate and an insult to the developers that worked so hard on >the LTSP/Ubuntu integration. Whoa....no insult intended....believe me. The words "shoved" and/or "shoehorned" were quoted to me by an Edubuntu staffer (who shall remain nameless) in Montreal. Looking at it now...I agree....it's a poor choice of words. I was aware of the meeting you. Eric...et al had in February as you were leaving for that meeting shortly after LinuxWorld I think (last year). Jim....I would never minimize the work you all do....none of us would even be on this list if it were not for you, Eric, Scotty and many others who work hard to make LTSP a reality. The Edubuntu folks are doing some remarkable work....I actually run Edubuntu on my own laptop (so does Gadi...hi Gadi!). I was lucky and fortunate (and I truly mean that) to meet Matt Zimmerman, Oliver Grauwert, Jane, and many others who are intimately involved with Edubuntu. It's extremely exciting....and I really look forward to what comes next. Please accept my apologies....I never meant to minimize anyone's hard work...in any way. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Apr 10 01:42:52 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:42:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User access to local usb on FC5 + K12LTSP4.2 = imaginary files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is working now. Ok, what I did was delete the Drives folder in the troubled homes then started testing out the usbstick for each of my three test users. I think the best fix- I don't know why- is to have the disconnect script to remove- delete- the Drives folder after some short delay of a usbstick being unplugged. The reason that I suggest some type of controlled delay after a stick is unplugged (for the Drives folder to be deleted) is that the first few times of writing something to a local usbstick I didn't wait long enough for the files to actually be written to the stick. On my local usb access, a write to the usb drive causes a series of flashing, a pause, then maybe 5 to 10 seconds later the actual write occurs to the stick (more flashing). Maybe this is some annoying FC5 thing- I dunno :-) I hope this helps everyone figure out the new 4.2 goodies. If I'm messed up- please someone tell me! Jim ================================================ Hi Jim, A super busy time for you. Congratulations to you and your team on the new 4.2. Here is what I get: [k at christiansens ~]$ id uid=502(k) gid=503(k) groups=100(users),102(fuse),503(k) [k at christiansens ~]$ ===================================================== still sounds like a group issue to me. If the user isn't part of the 'fuse' group, then the usb stick won't really be mounted. But, the mount point is still there. SO, if you copy anything to it, it'll actually be copied to your ~/Drives/mountpoint folder. It'll never copy to the actual usb stick. Pick one of the users that isn't working, and pop open a terminal session and run 'id' and see what groups the user is part of. I'm guessing you won't see 'fuse' there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 02:47:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package In-Reply-To: <040920061759.29621.44394B8B0008B59A000073B522070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <040920061759.29621.44394B8B0008B59A000073B522070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > On the same note: after installing, running modprobe fuse leads to > > []10] modprobe fuse > FATAL: Module fuse not found. The fuse module is not included in the fuse package, it is in the kernel package. "modprobe fuse" is not neccesary, but it should work. What does this command output? uname -r > Finally, on the thin client, cat /etc/fstab returns nothing. These are two separate issues, but not having any luck with either of them. > > So ... wanted to run yum upgrade and take my chances with the latest, but my k12ltsp yum repositories must be messed up. Can someone please post the correct entries for k12ltsp.repo, or suggest why either of the above are failing? When I plug in the usb device, it is recognized by the thin client, and I get an attaced scsi removabl disk sda message. 32bit /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-32bit gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 64bit /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-64bit gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 -Eric > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Petre Scheie >> FYI, the fuse package is not installed by default. 'yum install fuse' >> fixes it, but should it be installed by default? fuse-libs was >> installed during the system installation. >> >> Petre >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>> >>>> Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>> >>> >>> I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. >>> >>> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >>> >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >>> >>> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >>> >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >>> >>> >>> -Eric >>> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 02:54:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 Beta1 feedback. In-Reply-To: <44394F43.7060404@cox.net> References: <44394F43.7060404@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Luis Montes wrote: > Ran yum update and noticed some ltsp stuff, so this feedback is based on what > I think is the latest. > > Few things so far... > > 1. ltspcfg showed that NFS wasn't correctly set up. I think some stuff got > missed from /etc/exports I'll double-check that, but it is not something to worry about. There should be no need to run ltspcfg on a K12LTSP server. > 2. The "named" service fails at bootup with a message about not finding > /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf I've been working on beta2 all weekend, I can't remember off the top of my head if this was a problem with beta1 or one of my previous builds... Having named fail should not a critical error. But either way, this should fix it: rpm -e --nodeps caching-nameserver-ltsp yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp /sbin/chkconfig named on /sbin/service named start > 3. The menus in icewm are empty except for a few things. This is very > different than what KDE & Gnome have. > The icewm menus were also empty in last summers' build. Any thing I could > do to help with that before this one goes final? This is by design. The IceWM configuration is as minimalist as possible. The "icemc" utility will let you edit the icewm menus to your liking. > Still having trouble booting a client with this version, but as soon as I get > one going I'll give more feedback on local device stuff. > > -Luis -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 03:02:13 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0 beta updates Message-ID: I'm stuck on dialup this weekend, so no beta2 ISOs until Monday or Tuesday... I patched up a couple of the bugs reported recently and got around to syncing the 32bit & 64bit builds of the custom K12LTSP applications (a huge ~300MB update for the 32bit build!). All of the updated packages are in the yum repositories. -Eric From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 12:36:17 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:36:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User access to local usb on FC5 + K12LTSP4.2 = imaginary files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0604100536m452f8ab9t6a2f382042aa6b8f@mail.gmail.com> To help make sure things are written to your devices try issuing the command "sync" That should sync up any media that is mounted immediately. Jack On 4/9/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > It is working now. > > Ok, what I did was delete the Drives folder in the troubled homes then > started testing out the usbstick for each of my three test users. I think > the best fix- I don't know why- is to have the disconnect script to > remove- > delete- the Drives folder after some short delay of a usbstick being > unplugged. The reason that I suggest some type of controlled delay after > a > stick is unplugged (for the Drives folder to be deleted) is that the first > few times of writing something to a local usbstick I didn't wait long > enough > for the files to actually be written to the stick. On my local usb > access, > a write to the usb drive causes a series of flashing, a pause, then maybe > 5 > to 10 seconds later the actual write occurs to the stick (more flashing). > > Maybe this is some annoying FC5 thing- I dunno :-) > > I hope this helps everyone figure out the new 4.2 goodies. If I'm messed > up- please someone tell me! > > Jim > ================================================ > > > Hi Jim, > > A super busy time for you. Congratulations to you and your team on the > new > 4.2. > > Here is what I get: > > [k at christiansens ~]$ id > uid=502(k) gid=503(k) groups=100(users),102(fuse),503(k) > [k at christiansens ~]$ > > ===================================================== > still sounds like a group issue to me. > > If the user isn't part of the 'fuse' group, then the usb stick won't > really > be mounted. > But, the mount point is still there. SO, if you copy anything to it, > it'll > actually be copied to your ~/Drives/mountpoint folder. It'll never copy > to > the actual usb stick. > > Pick one of the users that isn't working, and pop open a terminal session > and run 'id' and see what groups the user is part of. > > I'm guessing you won't see 'fuse' there. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 12:38:09 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:38:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <4437B6B5.5050509@maltzen.net> References: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> <4437B6B5.5050509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0604100538y7c68eab4p491694bdc2f85558@mail.gmail.com> I noticed that on my latest install of K12ltsp the fuse group was not there. Did I miss it? On 4/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I don't think putting a group into a group works. I tried it a few > years ago on Solaris but it didn't work. (I always thought that was a > shortcoming of Unix/Linux). I think you'll have to use Ron's script or > the alternative I suggested. > > Petre > > Burke Almquist wrote: > > > > On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >> > >> I ran into that last night. In Ubuntu the user manager doesn't let > >> you assign > >> groups to groups. I did modify /etc/gshadow and /etc/group to add > >> the "fuse" > >> group to the "users" group. I then set the "users" group to the > >> default group > >> for new users. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be the other way around, add the users group to the fuse > > group? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Apr 10 12:45:55 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:45:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i get shutdown restart for root in login Message-ID: <1144673155.22194.2.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, I know this has been discussed before but i cant search it out. On FC5 / K12LTSP 4.2 how do i get the shutdown/restart commands in the login screen window as root? Im thinking it is in xmd or gdm something close to that? Thanks, Barry Cisna From phawxhurst at hotmail.com Mon Apr 10 13:33:28 2006 From: phawxhurst at hotmail.com (Peter Hawxhurst) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HI John, we have installed etherboot on harddrive so they boot to server. how do In-Reply-To: <200603311352.09440.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: we would like to create a swap space on the clients; how do we do that? thanks for your help. Peace Peter Hawxhurst phawxhurst at hotmail.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 10 14:43:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:43:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: <443918B2.4040700@McQuil.com> References: <53193.68.160.47.239.1144451363.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4437B8A3.3040607@maltzen.net> <4437CD84.9070009@McQuil.com> <44390F13.60706@maltzen.net> <443918B2.4040700@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <443A6EFD.2070404@maltzen.net> I would think so, too. I was just reporting that XSERVER = vesa works but XSERVER = s3 causes it to fail when the client tries to NFS-mount /. It's the only thing I changed. It may be related to my use of a different subnet rather than the stock 192.168.0.0; but even if that's the case, it just struck me as odd that it would manifest at that point in the boot process. BTW, what IS happening when the display shifts to a smaller font and the penguin appears at the top? Is this a shift to a frame buffer mode? Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > The selection of the Xserver has nothing to do with any NFS problems you > are having, and it also has nothing to do with whether a Penguin appears > during the boot. > > The reading of the lts.conf file to see which Xserver should be used > doesn't even happen to long after the root filesystem is mounted via NFS. > > I suspect you have other problems on your network. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Specifying vesa seems to work. If I specify s3, it fails to start the >> xserver, although it does seem to make a switch to a mode with a >> smaller font and a penguin at the top during booting (is this a frame >> buffer mode?) It says to check the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.0.log, >> but I can't find any such file. >> >> Strange results: If I specify savage or s3virge, while it makes the >> switch to the mode with the penguin, it dies when trying to mount the >> root directory via NFS! It never even gets to trying to load an >> xserver. No idea why, as I haven't touched NFS. >> >> Is the support for older chipsets in Xorg now considered to be on par >> with the old XFree86 3.3.6? The lts.conf file lists 'XFree 3' >> drivers; are these all Xorg? I ask because I tend to use older hardware. >> >> Petre >> >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> Petre, >>> >>> I think the problem you are running into with the S3 video chipset is >>> caused by the Xserver. In previous versions of LTSP, we included >>> both Xorg AND Xfree86 3.3.6. We kept the older XFree86 around >>> because for some chipsets, including S3 and S3v, the support was >>> better in XFree86 3.3.6 than it was in Xorg. With LTSP-4.2, we've >>> dropped the XFree86 drivers which means you now have to use the Xorg >>> drivers. In a test that I did with an S3, it worked fine with Xorg, >>> but not all S3's were created equal. >>> >>> Can you try each of the following settings, to see if they work? >>> >>> XSERVER = savage >>> XSERVER = s3 >>> XSERVER = s3virge >>> XSERVER = vesa >>> >>> One of those should work for you. >>> >>> If you get it working, let us know, and we can make modify the >>> vidlist file to make sure that the correct driver automatically gets >>> selected. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if this explains why one of my quite-reliable-on-4.2.1 >>>> clients, a Celeron with on-board S3 video consuming 32MB (out of >>>> 768MB total), for which Knoppix uses the XFree86(Savage) X server, >>>> breaks with 5.0.0. It boots, and X starts, but the login screen is >>>> a bit 'mangled' and the mouse doesn't work, and it's basically dead >>>> in the water. I'm not sure if it's a FC5 issue or LTSP. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim, >>>>> >>>>> LTSP-4.2 has some code in it that limits the amount of memory the >>>>> X-server >>>>> is allowed to use. >>>>> >>>>> Client applications, like firefox are constantly asking the Xserver to >>>>> allocate memory, to store things like pixbufs (images) and fonts. >>>>> >>>>> In the past, the xserver would just happily go along and allocate >>>>> as much >>>>> memory as it possibly could, until it uses up ALL memory, and the >>>>> kernel >>>>> would come along and start killing things, to free up some space. >>>>> Almost >>>>> always, the Xserver would get killed, causing you to lose your >>>>> session. >>>>> >>>>> Now, with the mechanism that we use to tell the Xserver how much >>>>> memory >>>>> it's allowed to allocate, it will stop BEFORE the kernel kills it. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, client applications don't respond very well to the >>>>> Xserver >>>>> refusing to allocate memory. >>>>> >>>>> In LTSP-4.2, we default to allowing the Xserver to grab 90% of the >>>>> free >>>>> memory. You can tune it by setting 'XRAMPERC = xx', where 'xx' is the >>>>> percentage of free memory that you want to allow the Xserver to use. >>>>> >>>>> To restore the old behaviour from pre-4.2, you can set XRAMPERC = 100 >>>>> and it will allow the Xserver to grab ALL available memory. >>>>> >>>>> THat additional 10% will probably help out quite a bit. >>>>> >>>>> The other thing you can do is increase the amount of available ram, by >>>>> either adding more physical ram, OR, enabling swap over NBD. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if Eric is including ltspswapd. If he's not, i'll >>>>> encourage >>>>> him to add it, and probably start it by default. >>>>> >>>>> As for documentation on using swap over NBD, I know Scott Balneaves >>>>> has >>>>> been working on writing something up, but I don't know if he's >>>>> finished >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Hope that looooong explanation helps, >>>>> >>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, April 7, 2006 6:57 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wish it wasn't Friday afternoon... I'll miss all of you guys >>>>>> for the >>>>>> weekend! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've redone the install on my home test server of the new FC5 with >>>>>> Eric's >>>>>> new ltsp packages to confirm my troubles. What happens on a >>>>>> client is >>>>>> that >>>>>> when even called by root, Firefox on certain pages (many) will >>>>>> crash with >>>>>> the following message in a console: >>>>>> >>>>>> [root at christiansens ~]# /opt/firefox/firefox >>>>>> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>>>>> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>>>>> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. >>>>>> (Details: serial 42238 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) >>>>>> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported >>>>>> asynchronously; >>>>>> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >>>>>> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >>>>>> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >>>>>> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>>>>> function.) >>>>>> >>>>>> On the server, the same webpage loads. This page is nothing >>>>>> compliated on >>>>>> many of the crashing pages and this one is served off of my >>>>>> webserver. >>>>>> The >>>>>> example crashing page is a large image. Other pages that crash >>>>>> die so >>>>>> fast >>>>>> I don't even know what is on them... >>>>>> >>>>>> I should have checked on the server to see how how the crashing >>>>>> webpages >>>>>> behaved days ago... This is my third install and I figured I was >>>>>> messing >>>>>> things up with plugins as all of the libraries may have been mixed up >>>>>> between 32 and 64 bit versions- but I guess this isn't the case. >>>>>> Firefox >>>>>> dies even without any plugins installed. No Acroread, java or >>>>>> flash...no >>>>>> audio, xine libs, mplayer plugins... nothing extra. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas appreciated!! Fire away :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Mon Apr 10 16:11:32 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:11:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crashing Firefox on terminal in new un-messed with install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144685492.7532.18.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 18:18 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > This probably has nothing to do with your problem but I just thought > > I'd put this out there. > > Are you running Firefox 1.5 ? > > Cause I think it has this "feature" that consumes much more ram ( on > > the terminal server ) to accelerate the back and forward navigation. > > That's why I'm sticking with 1.0.7. Although after reading this thread > > I'm wondering if it also consumes more ram on the X server (the > > client)? > > The new Firefox feature that increases the amount of ram used is > disabled in the version of Firefox 1.5.x that will ship with > K12LTSP. > > To double-check (or to set it if you are using a non-K12LTSP > firefox 1.5), startup firefox, in the URL bar type "about:config", > in the Filter bar type "browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers". > The value of this parameter should be 0. If it is -1, you can set > it to 0 to turn it off. There are several firefox-1.5isms (and some firefoxisms present in 1.0.x as well) that cause non-optimal performance in low memory situations. I think the one that concerns us the most has to do with firefox storing images in the X Server. Since the X Server is running locally on the LTSP Client, this has much more of an impact than firefox storing a history of pages on the LTSP Server. Here's a blog posting by Daniel Berrange talking about one of the bugs in this area: http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2006/03/epiphany-memory-use-analysis Some followup conversation on the OneLaptopPerChild mailing list revealed that this was due to a bug in the accessibility framework and was resolved in this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330624 (The bug is fixed in gecko 1.8.0.3 - I'm not sure which firefox version this will equate to.) Federico Mena-Quintero has an interesting writeup that demonstrates several alternatives to firefox's current method of saving pixmaps in the X Server: http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news-2005-11.html#24 -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 18:19:26 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? Message-ID: <9bd317560604101119w3e6567afm884637c99e84c56b@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and cartoonnetwork.com) Thanks, Peter From luis.montes at cox.net Mon Apr 10 18:22:51 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:22:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? Message-ID: <20060410182251.GRFH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> If you're using ipcop/cop+ there's an entry called kidswasting time you can use. > > From: "Peter Hartmann" > Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 02:19:26 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? > > I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers > can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier > (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and > cartoonnetwork.com) > > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 18:44:52 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:44:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? In-Reply-To: <20060410182251.GRFH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> References: <20060410182251.GRFH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Message-ID: <443AA7A4.9030307@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Really? I'd love to see that on my urlfilter/advproxy setup - I've been using calamaris to see which sites are using the most bandwidth and then blocking where appropriate. I'm getting my blacklist from MESD... Cheers, Mike luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > If you're using ipcop/cop+ there's an entry called kidswasting time you can use. > >> From: "Peter Hartmann" >> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 02:19:26 EDT >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? >> >> I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers >> can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier >> (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and >> cartoonnetwork.com) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 20:01:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:01:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0604100538y7c68eab4p491694bdc2f85558@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060407182652.M50447@winonacotter.org> <4437B6B5.5050509@maltzen.net> <81e6a9bf0604100538y7c68eab4p491694bdc2f85558@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443AB987.4090002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jack Palmadesso wrote: > I noticed that on my latest install of K12ltsp the fuse group was not > there. Did I miss it? You need to update: yum update -Eric > On 4/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> I don't think putting a group into a group works. I tried it a few >> years ago on Solaris but it didn't work. (I always thought that was a >> shortcoming of Unix/Linux). I think you'll have to use Ron's script or >> the alternative I suggested. >> >> Petre >> >> Burke Almquist wrote: >>> On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> >>>> I ran into that last night. In Ubuntu the user manager doesn't let >>>> you assign >>>> groups to groups. I did modify /etc/gshadow and /etc/group to add >>>> the "fuse" >>>> group to the "users" group. I then set the "users" group to the >>>> default group >>>> for new users. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be the other way around, add the users group to the fuse >>> group? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Apr 10 22:28:35 2006 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:28:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch Message-ID: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> I met David Trask and Matt Oquist at LinuxWorld Boston last week and we had a great discussion with a few other Red Hat folks about the current successes of K12LTSP and ways to improve the software and community around it. This is significant because this is the first time we got other Red Hat people aware of and excited about the K12LTSP project, which today exposes Fedora to hundreds of schools and countless thousands of students worldwide. We came up with some objectives and action items from this meeting to further the goals of both K12LTSP and the Fedora Project. I believe that we have a huge opportunity here to work closer together and better the software for the education community. Goals for us on this list are mainly development and administration of Fedora related education initiatives. I envision keeping k12osn as mostly educator end-user support for now, and we can later reorganize the community infrastructure around K12LTSP when we have a clearer picture of what it becomes. Strawman Objectives for the next six months include: ==================================================== - Development discussion related to merging K12LTSP to become an official supported part of the Fedora Project. This means that more contributors will help K12LTSP development goals. - Perhaps K12LTSP can be a "mode" to enable in the standard Fedora. - Eventually convert K12LTSP to use the Muekow framework. Muekow potentially aligns with the basic building block goals of the Fedora Stateless project, so hopefully we can combine resources from multiple Fedora projects and achieve this by FC6 in a clean and Fedora supported way. - Collaborate on Samba and LDAP related integration possibly with Fedora Directory Server in order to achieve out-of-the-box centralized authentication between mixed platform school networks (Linux, Mac, Windows). - Plan Fedora's involvement in Open Source in Education conferences coming up, like the ones in ME and NH during June and July. - Reorganize the community to better support educators in the use of K12LTSP. - Design messaging for the promotion of the K12LTSP model. - Write more documentation to promote the K12LTSP model, and make it easier to setup a K12LTSP lab. - Professional production of an educational documentary video demonstrating the success of the K12LTSP model. A well made video would make it easier for LUG's worldwide to convince schools to try K12LTSP. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list Please share your ideas, comments, or questions here on fedora-education-list. http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html K12LTSP Home Page Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 10 22:55:24 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:55:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> Message-ID: Very well written Warren....very cool! :-) Fedora Education Initiative on Monday, April 10, 2006 at 6:28 PM +0000 wrote: >I met David Trask and Matt Oquist at LinuxWorld Boston last week and we >had a great discussion with a few other Red Hat folks about the current >successes of K12LTSP and ways to improve the software and community >around it. This is significant because this is the first time we got >other Red Hat people aware of and excited about the K12LTSP project, >which today exposes Fedora to hundreds of schools and countless >thousands of students worldwide. > >We came up with some objectives and action items from this meeting to >further the goals of both K12LTSP and the Fedora Project. I believe >that we have a huge opportunity here to work closer together and better >the software for the education community. > >Goals for us on this list are mainly development and administration of >Fedora related education initiatives. I envision keeping k12osn as >mostly educator end-user support for now, and we can later reorganize >the community infrastructure around K12LTSP when we have a clearer >picture of what it becomes. > >Strawman Objectives for the next six months include: >==================================================== >- Development discussion related to merging K12LTSP to become an >official supported part of the Fedora Project. This means that more >contributors will help K12LTSP development goals. >- Perhaps K12LTSP can be a "mode" to enable in the standard Fedora. >- Eventually convert K12LTSP to use the Muekow framework. Muekow >potentially aligns with the basic building block goals of the Fedora >Stateless project, so hopefully we can combine resources from multiple >Fedora projects and achieve this by FC6 in a clean and Fedora supported >way. >- Collaborate on Samba and LDAP related integration possibly with Fedora >Directory Server in order to achieve out-of-the-box centralized >authentication between mixed platform school networks (Linux, Mac, >Windows). >- Plan Fedora's involvement in Open Source in Education conferences >coming up, like the ones in ME and NH during June and July. >- Reorganize the community to better support educators in the use of >K12LTSP. >- Design messaging for the promotion of the K12LTSP model. >- Write more documentation to promote the K12LTSP model, and make it >easier to setup a K12LTSP lab. >- Professional production of an educational documentary video >demonstrating the success of the K12LTSP model. A well made video would >make it easier for LUG's worldwide to convince schools to try K12LTSP. > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list >Please share your ideas, comments, or questions here on >fedora-education-list. > >http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html >K12LTSP Home Page > >Warren Togami >wtogami at redhat.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Fedora-education-list mailing list >Fedora-education-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 10 23:01:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:01:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? In-Reply-To: <20060410182251.GRFH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> References: <20060410182251.GRFH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Message-ID: Assuming it's not too huge can you post the kidswasting time blacklist somewhere for folks to download....??? Maybe as a zip or tar file? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 10, 2006 at 2:22 PM +0000 wrote: >If you're using ipcop/cop+ there's an entry called kidswasting time you >can use. > >> >> From: "Peter Hartmann" >> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 02:19:26 EDT >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? >> >> I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers >> can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier >> (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and >> cartoonnetwork.com) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 23:16:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:16:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug Message-ID: <443AE73B.8070902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I blotched the k12ltsp yum repository information for the i386 version of K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 (it points to the 64bit repository). It is easy to fix, just run these commands: yum clean all yum install k12ltsp-release yum clean all yum update To verify that the repository is pointing to the right place, you can run this command: grep ^mirrorlist /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo which should output: mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 10 23:24:09 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:24:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <443AE919.5030801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Simply excellent news! -Eric Warren Togami wrote: > I met David Trask and Matt Oquist at LinuxWorld Boston last week and we > had a great discussion with a few other Red Hat folks about the current > successes of K12LTSP and ways to improve the software and community > around it. This is significant because this is the first time we got > other Red Hat people aware of and excited about the K12LTSP project, > which today exposes Fedora to hundreds of schools and countless > thousands of students worldwide. > > We came up with some objectives and action items from this meeting to > further the goals of both K12LTSP and the Fedora Project. I believe > that we have a huge opportunity here to work closer together and better > the software for the education community. > > Goals for us on this list are mainly development and administration of > Fedora related education initiatives. I envision keeping k12osn as > mostly educator end-user support for now, and we can later reorganize > the community infrastructure around K12LTSP when we have a clearer > picture of what it becomes. > > Strawman Objectives for the next six months include: > ==================================================== > - Development discussion related to merging K12LTSP to become an > official supported part of the Fedora Project. This means that more > contributors will help K12LTSP development goals. > - Perhaps K12LTSP can be a "mode" to enable in the standard Fedora. > - Eventually convert K12LTSP to use the Muekow framework. Muekow > potentially aligns with the basic building block goals of the Fedora > Stateless project, so hopefully we can combine resources from multiple > Fedora projects and achieve this by FC6 in a clean and Fedora supported > way. > - Collaborate on Samba and LDAP related integration possibly with Fedora > Directory Server in order to achieve out-of-the-box centralized > authentication between mixed platform school networks (Linux, Mac, > Windows). > - Plan Fedora's involvement in Open Source in Education conferences > coming up, like the ones in ME and NH during June and July. > - Reorganize the community to better support educators in the use of > K12LTSP. > - Design messaging for the promotion of the K12LTSP model. > - Write more documentation to promote the K12LTSP model, and make it > easier to setup a K12LTSP lab. > - Professional production of an educational documentary video > demonstrating the success of the K12LTSP model. A well made video would > make it easier for LUG's worldwide to convince schools to try K12LTSP. > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list > Please share your ideas, comments, or questions here on > fedora-education-list. > > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > K12LTSP Home Page > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > From roy at mpk.com Tue Apr 11 00:12:54 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:12:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug In-Reply-To: <443AE73B.8070902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604110019.k3B0JTZ2012363@mx3.redhat.com> I'm assuming if I have a 64bit server and 32 bit clients I don't have to worry. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:16 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug I blotched the k12ltsp yum repository information for the i386 version of K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 (it points to the 64bit repository). It is easy to fix, just run these commands: yum clean all yum install k12ltsp-release yum clean all yum update To verify that the repository is pointing to the right place, you can run this command: grep ^mirrorlist /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo which should output: mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Apr 11 00:53:33 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:53:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug In-Reply-To: <443AE73B.8070902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443AE73B.8070902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <443AFE0D.3020905@comcast.net> Eric, Thanks .. however, my repository definition is screwed up, and mirrors have never worked at the school (suspect something with the state firewall since the servers outside it work fine, but behind it don't). Can you post the correct baseurl for both 5.0 beta, and the current release since these seem to work? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Eric Harrison wrote: > I blotched the k12ltsp yum repository information for the i386 version > of K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 (it points to the 64bit repository). > > It is easy to fix, just run these commands: > > yum clean all > yum install k12ltsp-release > yum clean all > yum update > > > > To verify that the repository is pointing to the right place, you can > run this command: > > grep ^mirrorlist /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > which should output: > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Apr 11 00:57:11 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:57:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] latest K12 package In-Reply-To: References: <040920061759.29621.44394B8B0008B59A000073B522070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <443AFEE7.5080804@comcast.net> Thanks! I am not sure if the mirrorlist entry will work, but ... will try it again. Also, these are for 5.0, so I assume (bad perhaps) that using 4.2 will get the correct repos for the current release. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > >> On the same note: after installing, running modprobe fuse leads to >> >> []10] modprobe fuse >> FATAL: Module fuse not found. > > The fuse module is not included in the fuse package, it is in the kernel > package. "modprobe fuse" is not neccesary, but it should work. What does > this command output? > > uname -r > >> Finally, on the thin client, cat /etc/fstab returns nothing. These >> are two separate issues, but not having any luck with either of them. >> >> So ... wanted to run yum upgrade and take my chances with the latest, >> but my k12ltsp yum repositories must be messed up. Can someone >> please post the correct entries for k12ltsp.repo, or suggest why >> either of the above are failing? When I plug in the usb device, it >> is recognized by the thin client, and I get an attaced scsi removabl >> disk sda message. > > 32bit /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo: > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-32bit > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > > 64bit /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo: > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-64bit > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > > -Eric > > >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Petre Scheie >>> FYI, the fuse package is not installed by default. 'yum install fuse' >>> fixes it, but should it be installed by default? fuse-libs was >>> installed during the system installation. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has the latest K12 package been released with the latest LTSP? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just uploaded the first *BETA* that contains the latest LTSP. >>>> >>>> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >>>> >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >>>> >>>> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >>>> >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Apr 11 01:21:41 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:21:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? Message-ID: <20060411012141.ENPW15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Here you go: http://school.qop.org/files/kidstimewasting.tar.gz Its not that big of a list, but it might help. Luis > > From: "David Trask" > Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 07:01:15 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? > > Assuming it's not too huge can you post the kidswasting time blacklist > somewhere for folks to download....??? Maybe as a zip or tar file? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, April 10, 2006 at 2:22 PM +0000 wrote: > >If you're using ipcop/cop+ there's an entry called kidswasting time you > >can use. > > > >> > >> From: "Peter Hartmann" > >> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 02:19:26 EDT > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > >> Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? > >> > >> I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers > >> can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier > >> (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and > >> cartoonnetwork.com) > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Peter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 04:06:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug In-Reply-To: <200604110019.k3B0JTZ2012363@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200604110019.k3B0JTZ2012363@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Roy wrote: > I'm assuming if I have a 64bit server and 32 bit clients I don't have to > worry. > > Thanks No need to worry. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:16 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug > > > I blotched the k12ltsp yum repository information for the i386 version > of K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 (it points to the 64bit repository). > > It is easy to fix, just run these commands: > > yum clean all > yum install k12ltsp-release > yum clean all > yum update > > > > To verify that the repository is pointing to the right place, you can > run this command: > > grep ^mirrorlist /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo > > which should output: > > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch > > > -Eric > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 04:16:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug In-Reply-To: <443AFE0D.3020905@comcast.net> References: <443AE73B.8070902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <443AFE0D.3020905@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Dave Hopkins wrote: > Eric, > > Thanks .. however, my repository definition is screwed up, and mirrors have > never worked at the school (suspect something with the state firewall since > the servers outside it work fine, but behind it don't). Can you post the > correct baseurl for both 5.0 beta, and the current release since these seem to > work? > Hi Dave, I am getting a bit confused ;-) Are you having problems with the new beta or with the current stable release (4.4.x) ? I don't recall that you've posted the specific errors you are seeing. Can you run: yum list updates and reply back with the output from that command? -Eric From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 06:06:22 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:06:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880604102306p69d7844dx43808e9c44b38b4e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/06, Warren Togami wrote: > Strawman Objectives for the next six months include: > ==================================================== > - Plan Fedora's involvement in Open Source in Education conferences > coming up, like the ones in ME and NH during June and July. > - Reorganize the community to better support educators in the use of > K12LTSP. > - Design messaging for the promotion of the K12LTSP model. > - Write more documentation to promote the K12LTSP model, and make it > easier to setup a K12LTSP lab. > - Professional production of an educational documentary video > demonstrating the success of the K12LTSP model. A well made video would > make it easier for LUG's worldwide to convince schools to try K12LTSP. First off, I welcome any contributions Fedora and/or Red Hat can make toward promoting Linux and open source in education. I'm a little confused about whether Fedora == Red Hat in this case, specifically I'm not sure how much money Fedora has at its disposal compared to Red Hat, so the following suggestions may be pointless (that is, if there isn't actually much money in play). But I'll make them anyhow. If Fedora doesn't have the money maybe someone else does. There are two things I'd like to see: Saying "the solution to this problem is to hold a conference" seems almost as lame as saying "what we need to do now is form a committee." But the open source in education community in the US, badly, badly needs a national conference. Nobody really knows what's going on on the national scale. What in God's name is going on in Indiana? Has anyone actually talked to Mike Huffman? There's a tremendous mix of grass-roots, corporate and larger state and district backed projects going on, but very little coordination or information moving around. Or if it is taking place, it is somewhere I don't know about. Most of the key players haven't met. Many of them are using free software because they don't have much money, which means they also don't have much money or time to travel to conferences, either. Not to mention networking with people from Spain, Brazil, etc., where they're plowing ahead of us in using free software in schools. So we're long overdue for a "Free Software in Schools Summit." We need to have one next year. Increased presence of free software at all the mainstream ed-tech conferences around the country. I'm not actually attending the innumerable little conferences going on around the country, but my impression is that, with a few notable exceptions (lately thanks to Steve H.) the open source profile is quite low. This could easily be a full time job for someone all by itself. While having strong regional networks of open source supporters is vital, I think a few nationally barnstorming evangelists would make a big difference, too. So... consider that my wishlist ;-) --Tom From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 11 06:24:01 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <92de6c880604102306p69d7844dx43808e9c44b38b4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> <92de6c880604102306p69d7844dx43808e9c44b38b4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Tom Hoffman wrote: > First off, I welcome any contributions Fedora and/or Red Hat can make > toward promoting Linux and open source in education. I'm a little > confused about whether Fedora == Red Hat in this case, specifically > I'm not sure how much money Fedora has at its disposal compared to Red > Hat, so the following suggestions may be pointless (that is, if there > isn't actually much money in play). But I'll make them anyhow. If > Fedora doesn't have the money maybe someone else does. There's some money. Fedora gets its funding primarily from Red Hat. It's not exactly a river of money -- but for this kind of thing, I think we can make a case for enough money to hold a good conference. > There are two things I'd like to see: > > Saying "the solution to this problem is to hold a conference" seems > almost as lame as saying "what we need to do now is form a committee." > But the open source in education community in the US, badly, badly > needs a national conference. Nobody really knows what's going on on > the national scale. What in God's name is going on in Indiana? Has > anyone actually talked to Mike Huffman? There's a tremendous mix of > grass-roots, corporate and larger state and district backed projects > going on, but very little coordination or information moving around. > Or if it is taking place, it is somewhere I don't know about. Most of > the key players haven't met. Many of them are using free software > because they don't have much money, which means they also don't have > much money or time to travel to conferences, either. Not to mention > networking with people from Spain, Brazil, etc., where they're plowing > ahead of us in using free software in schools. So we're long overdue > for a "Free Software in Schools Summit." We need to have one next > year. Is there general consensus about this? And what would be the goal -- information sharing, primarily? > Increased presence of free software at all the mainstream ed-tech > conferences around the country. I'm not actually attending the > innumerable little conferences going on around the country, but my > impression is that, with a few notable exceptions (lately thanks to > Steve H.) the open source profile is quite low. This could easily be > a full time job for someone all by itself. While having strong > regional networks of open source supporters is vital, I think a few > nationally barnstorming evangelists would make a big difference, too. How about lots of well-connected part-time evangelists who have a strong communications network, a strong unified message, and marketing materials? --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Apr 11 11:28:16 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:28:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug Message-ID: <041120061128.18207.443B92D00003492A0000471F22070032019C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Eric, Sorry for the confusion. And since I am sending from work, not at the school where I volunteer, this may be confusing as well. My current k12ltsp.repos (is that right name, not at the system right now), isn't correct. Also, the fedora.repos didn't work until I commented out the mirrors option, and modified the baseurl to point to the correct repo. I can update the systems for the fedora-related packages. However, I get an error (with the current stable release) is I try to use the k12ltsp repo. I would like to straighten out the 4.4.x issue for the servers first, and then push (upgrade?) one of these servers we have to the 5.0 Beta release since I have the luxury of having a system available to do so with. Just having the correct repo info for k12 (extras, devel, etc) would resolve this. I haven't posted the specific errors mostly because I didn't want to bother the list with something that everyone else hasn't had a problem with and figured it would all go away this summer when all the k12 servers get upgraded again. It is only an issue right now since the school would really like to implement the new ltsp 4.2 package (specifically to take advantage of the local devices). Again, thanks!! Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Eric Harrison > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Dave Hopkins wrote: > > > Eric, > > > > Thanks .. however, my repository definition is screwed up, and mirrors have > > never worked at the school (suspect something with the state firewall since > > the servers outside it work fine, but behind it don't). Can you post the > > correct baseurl for both 5.0 beta, and the current release since these seem to > > work? > > > > Hi Dave, > > I am getting a bit confused ;-) > > Are you having problems with the new beta or with the current stable > release (4.4.x) ? > > I don't recall that you've posted the specific errors you are seeing. > Can you run: > > yum list updates > > and reply back with the output from that command? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From haysja at sages.us Tue Apr 11 12:56:17 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:56:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server Boot Problems Message-ID: <443BA771.6070002@sages.us> An older K12LTSP server (v4) is not booting after a power issue this past weekend. During the boot process, I get some errors. An example of an error line is: Starting NFS Quotas: rpc.rquotad: error while loading shared libraries: 1ibusl.so.1 cannot open object file: no such file or directory Then when Starting NFS Daemon: it hangs and does not go any further. This is a server with SCSI drives. Any advice? Thank you. : -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Apr 11 13:13:04 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:13:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server Boot Problems In-Reply-To: <443BA771.6070002@sages.us> References: <443BA771.6070002@sages.us> Message-ID: <443BAB60.5020407@alltel.net> I had problems with one booting and hanging on NFS, too. What I did was to boot in single user mode (that doesn't attempt to load NFS) and once it is up, you can run filesystem checks and whatever else you can think of to repair the installation. . . Then just reboot again and see if it fixed it. It is possible that just a fsck will do it, but remember, you may need to boot from some other media to be able to do fsck on unmounted filesystems. KNOPPIX will work here or just about any other linux bootable CD or set you created when you installed (if you actually did create the set. . .I am bad about not doing that but I have KNOPPIX and others laying around anyway. . .) It will help if you have records of your filesystems on hand before you start the processes do you will know what partitions contain what filesystems, etc. . . Doug Jim Hays wrote: > An older K12LTSP server (v4) is not booting after a power issue this > past weekend. During the boot process, I get some errors. > An example of an error line is: > > Starting NFS Quotas: rpc.rquotad: error while loading shared > libraries: 1ibusl.so.1 cannot open object file: no such file or directory > > Then when > > Starting NFS Daemon: > > it hangs and does not go any further. > > This is a server with SCSI drives. > > Any advice? > > Thank you. > > > : > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 11 13:16:29 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:16:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060411130635.M86200@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:28:35 -0400, Warren Togami wrote > I met David Trask and Matt Oquist at LinuxWorld Boston last week and > we had a great discussion with a few other Red Hat folks about the current > successes of K12LTSP and ways to improve the software and community > around it. This is significant because this is the first time we got > other Red Hat people aware of and excited about the K12LTSP project, > which today exposes Fedora to hundreds of schools and countless > thousands of students worldwide. This is awesome news! I don't think I can yell that loud enough over email :-) The current list of objectives gets me very excited, especially out of the box Fedora directory server to work with all platforms. Thanks David and Matt for reaching out to the Fedora team, and a huge thanks to the Fedora team for listening. This will be an awesome project. I just joined the new education list and will eagerly listen in on the conversations. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 11 13:20:18 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:20:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> < > <92de6c880604102306p69d7844dx43808e9c44b38b4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fedora Education Initiative on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 2:24 AM +0000 wrote: >Is there general consensus about this? And what would be the goal -- >information sharing, primarily? Information sharing and exposure. Letting folks know that there is support out there. Perhaps showcase vendors who provide services geared toward the education sector. Speakers/Presenters who can demonstrate the why and how of implementing Open Source in Schools. This is actually what I do when speaking at numerous events in the Northeast. Aside from the obvious "how-to" is the political end of things....how do you sell the idea? How do you discreetly introduce something without ruffling feathers. (remember our discussion about covertly installing something like K12LTSP on a small scale without asking permission?). Obviously that message would need to be tailored for the event...etc. Another powerful message would be to hear from folks like Steve Kossakoski, Assistant Superintendent for SAU #16 in Exeter, NH. Having school administrators or tech folks who are primarily in a management post (as opposed to ground troops)....hear from someone like Steve....someone who has done it or is doing it with regard to Open Source/Linux in their school district....would have a lot of clout. Fear is a big factor here and we need to show people that there's nothing to worry about...and also...how to find help if they need it. > > >> Increased presence of free software at all the mainstream ed-tech >> conferences around the country. I'm not actually attending the >> innumerable little conferences going on around the country, but my >> impression is that, with a few notable exceptions (lately thanks to >> Steve H.) the open source profile is quite low. This could easily be >> a full time job for someone all by itself. While having strong >> regional networks of open source supporters is vital, I think a few >> nationally barnstorming evangelists would make a big difference, too. > >How about lots of well-connected part-time evangelists who have a strong >communications network, a strong unified message, and marketing materials? This could work as well so long as the funding and commitment is there to move these people (physically and virtually) to where they're needed. On the topic of conferences....I'm not sure how effective a national conference would be as you'd only attract those who can afford to fly to a national conference. Perhaps regional conferences or maybe one East Coast and one West Coast? Just thoughts. One thing that makes things in Maine and NH works so well is that we have a strong network with which we are able to connect with one another. The Linux folks in Maine are all connected via the state technology in education organization called ACTEM (www.actem.org) (Association of Computer Technology Educators of Maine) ACTEM is VERY active and has a very active listserv that connects us all....this in turn serves as a huge catalyst for online discussions that often lead to "how'd you do it with Linux/Open Source" discussions. If three people are having a discussion about an issue and they solve it with a Linux/FOSS solution....500+ lurkers on the list see that....and so the message spreads.... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 11 13:26:22 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:26:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus Message-ID: I have seen this posted several times but . . . How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP server? I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dalen at czexan.net Tue Apr 11 13:28:56 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:28:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.0b2 yum error Message-ID: <443BAF18.9060307@czexan.net> Eric, I just installed k12ltsp-5.0.0b2-32bit and tried to "yum install thunderbird". Yum showed a 404 error and it appears that it was looking in the wrong directory (the $arch part was missing). I think the mirrorlist page needs fixing. was http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm should be http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm Thanks, Dale From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Apr 11 15:13:05 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] fuse group In-Reply-To: References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> < > <92de6c880604102306p69d7844dx43808e9c44b38b4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10690.169.244.70.148.1144768385.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> david: as copied from the words of the Master cliebow_: The fuse group isn't necessary if, when you installed fuse, the fuse dev is 666. On most distros, they make the udev rules make the fuse dev 660, and then setgid the fusermount bin to fuse. If you installed fuse from source, OR fix your udev rules on your distro to 666 /dev/fuse, then you can dispense with the fuse group. Thank you..that clears up a lot of fuzzy thinking If in your os's /etc/udev.d/...permissions.rules file, you set something like: KERNEL=="fuse", MODE="0666" That would fix it. chuck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 15:05:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:05:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.0b2 yum error In-Reply-To: <443BAF18.9060307@czexan.net> References: <443BAF18.9060307@czexan.net> Message-ID: <443BC5B7.3080201@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dale Sykora wrote: > Eric, > I just installed k12ltsp-5.0.0b2-32bit and tried to "yum install > thunderbird". Yum showed a 404 error and it appears that it was looking > in the wrong directory (the $arch part was missing). I think the > mirrorlist page needs fixing. > > was > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm > > > should be > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm > > > Thanks, > > Dale > The mirrorlist page just points to the various mirrors, which appears to be working just fine (yum found a valid mirror). The paths to specific files are contained within the mirror's repository information. Likely you have a bad cache. Clear out the cache and see if it then works: yum clean all yum install thunderbird -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 15:12:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:12:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > I have seen this posted several times but . . . > > How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen > and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP > server? > > I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or later) and set: HaltCommand= RebootCommand= SuspendCommand= Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this for you. For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following lines: # HaltCmd= # RebootCmd= Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for you... -Eric From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 11 15:22:05 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:22:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Thanks! That is just waht I wanted! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have seen this posted several times but . . . > > > > How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen > > and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP > > server? > > > > I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > > > > Thanks > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > > Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit > /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or > later) and set: > > HaltCommand= > RebootCommand= > SuspendCommand= > > > Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this for > you. > > > For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following lines: > > # HaltCmd= > # RebootCmd= > > Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for you... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 15:29:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta 1 i386 repository bug In-Reply-To: <041120061128.18207.443B92D00003492A0000471F22070032019C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <041120061128.18207.443B92D00003492A0000471F22070032019C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <443BCB4E.6080105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Eric, > > Sorry for the confusion. And since I am sending from work, not at the school > where I volunteer, this may be confusing as well. My current k12ltsp.repos > (is that right name, not at the system right now), isn't correct. > Also, the fedora.repos didn't work until I commented out the mirrors option, > and modified the baseurl to point to the correct repo. I can update > the systems for the fedora-related packages. However, I get an error > (with the current stable release) is I try to use the k12ltsp repo. > > I would like to straighten out the 4.4.x issue for the servers first, > and then push (upgrade?) one of these servers we have to the 5.0 Beta > release since I have the luxury of having a system available to do so > with. Just having the correct repo info for k12 (extras, devel, > etc) would resolve this. > > I haven't posted the specific errors mostly because I didn't want to > bother the list with something that everyone else hasn't had a problem > with and figured it would all go away this summer when all the k12 > servers get upgraded again. It is only an issue right now since the > school would really like to implement the new ltsp 4.2 package > (specifically to take advantage of the local devices). > > Again, thanks!! > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > If I understand this correctly, there are two objectives here: 1) yum is broken on one of your K12LTSP 4.4.x servers and 2) you want to upgrade one of your K12LTSP 4.4.x servers to the K12LTSP 5.0 beta so that you can test the new local device support. 1) For the K12LTSP 4.4.x /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo, you should have this as your mirrorlist entry: mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 Be sure to do a "yum clean all" to make sure you don't have a stale cache. If for some reason that does not work (post the error), the direct baseurl is currently: baseurl=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ 2) As for upgrading a 4.4.x server to the 5.0 beta, you imply that you want to use yum to do the upgrade. I would recommend against doing that, it would be better to download the ISOs and use those to upgrade. -Eric > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Eric Harrison >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Dave Hopkins wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> Thanks .. however, my repository definition is screwed up, and mirrors have >>> never worked at the school (suspect something with the state firewall since >>> the servers outside it work fine, but behind it don't). Can you post the >>> correct baseurl for both 5.0 beta, and the current release since these seem to >>> work? >>> >> Hi Dave, >> >> I am getting a bit confused ;-) >> >> Are you having problems with the new beta or with the current stable >> release (4.4.x) ? >> >> I don't recall that you've posted the specific errors you are seeing. >> Can you run: >> >> yum list updates >> >> and reply back with the output from that command? >> >> -Eric >> From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 15:29:57 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? In-Reply-To: <20060411012141.ENPW15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.180.8> References: <20060411012141.ENPW15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.180.8> Message-ID: <9bd317560604110829m6f57399j5a2137cd383360cb@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Luis! Peter On 4/10/06, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > Here you go: > http://school.qop.org/files/kidstimewasting.tar.gz > > Its not that big of a list, but it might help. > > Luis > > > > > > From: "David Trask" > > Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 07:01:15 EDT > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? > > > > Assuming it's not too huge can you post the kidswasting time blacklist > > somewhere for folks to download....??? Maybe as a zip or tar file? > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Monday, April 10, 2006 at 2:22 PM +0000 wrote: > > >If you're using ipcop/cop+ there's an entry called kidswasting time you > > >can use. > > > > > >> > > >> From: "Peter Hartmann" > > >> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 02:19:26 EDT > > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > >> Subject: [K12OSN] heavy flash blacklist? > > >> > > >> I'm thinking of enabling the flash plugin again so that the teachers > > >> can use flash edu-sites. Does any one have a blacklist of the heavier > > >> (or just useless) flash sites that I can block? (ie disney.com and > > >> cartoonnetwork.com) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Peter > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 11 15:38:08 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:38:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scenario and will this work? Message-ID: I have a scenario and am wondering if it can be made to work. I have a lab of computers with WindersXP on them, connected to a linux server (fc3, non-graphical install) that is running dhcp for that lab. We can turn the Internet on and off in that lab with simple command scripts that I wrote that checks for the existence of a file and grants or denies Internet access depending on whether that file was found or not. Now for the scenario. . . the server in that lab as two NICs, one "internal" and on 192.168.0.x and one "external" and on 10.40.12.x. External listed above is the rest of the network here at the school. If I wanted a thin client to boot from a server out on 10.40.12.x, from inside that lab which is isolated to 192.168.0.x, how would I make that work? I realize that all traffic for terminals will have to go through the server, but there won't be more than one or two at a time anyway. I added the next-server line to the dhcp on the server in that lab and pointed it to the correct server's ip address that I want the terminal to boot from but tftp times out. Any ideas? Or am I asking the impossible, here. . . Purpose is that I want to be able to expose users from inside that lab to LTSP, but that server in that lab isn't powerful enough to server terminals, but the other one is a HOSS. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From opensource at whitenitro.com Tue Apr 11 16:54:23 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:54:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20060411132911.B81DF73BD9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060411132911.B81DF73BD9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:29 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >> But the open source in education community in the US, badly, badly >> needs a national conference. Nobody really knows what's going on on >> the national scale. What in God's name is going on in Indiana? Has >> anyone actually talked to Mike Huffman? There's a tremendous mix of >> grass-roots, corporate and larger state and district backed projects >> going on, but very little coordination or information moving around. >> Or if it is taking place, it is somewhere I don't know about. Most of >> the key players haven't met. Many of them are using free software >> because they don't have much money, which means they also don't have >> much money or time to travel to conferences, either. Not to mention >> networking with people from Spain, Brazil, etc., where they're plowing >> ahead of us in using free software in schools. So we're long overdue >> for a "Free Software in Schools Summit." We need to have one next >> year. > > Is there general consensus about this? And what would be the goal -- > information sharing, primarily? Parts of this discussion parallel another one about an International FOSS/Education conference that grew out of the Open Source and Education mini-conference in New Zealand last January In that discussion, we came to understand we were talking about two different gatherings and I think that could also be the case with a US national conference. The first conference, which we referred as the Open Source and Education Summit (great minds think alike Tom) was described as follows: [excerpt from the FOSSEd discussion group at http://fossed.org/pipermail/discussion_fossed.org/] "However, the 20-50 people Open Source and Education Summit would be different. It's purpose and focus is NOT primarily getting people introduced and charged up about FOSS and Education. Rather, it would be to gather the people *already* doing some amazing things together with the purpose of having a working gathering that answers the question "If we explicitly plan to cooperate, what truly amazing, things could we do?". The invitees would know about distros, and OpenOffice and Linux. This would not necessarily be a gathering of FOSS Rock Stars (no offense maddog) but people doing amazing things in their local community. It would also serve the other purpose that we discussed of honoring these people. I would invite the people who spoke at the EduMiniConf (Edward, Shaun, Donna, Kathryn, Pia). I would invite David Trask and Matt Olmquist from NELS, I would invite Scott from HOSEF. I would find a person from Extremadura (sp?) in Spain, from the Brazilian government, from Edubuntu, SkoleLinux, and sourceforge.uk. We should track down someone from Japan and China. Try to reach into the FOSSEd trenches all over the globe the way the MacArthur grant people do for their fellows. Then invite all those people. Send them a nice packet of information before the summit that gives a description of all the cool things their fellow attendees are doing so they come to the Summit thinking 'Wow - I am going to meet some really cool people!' Then, perhaps we entice some FOSS rock stars to come and speak to (and praise) them. Meeting these FOSS stars (maddog, Mark Shuttlesworth, Linus himself, RMS, etc.) would be very cool for this group - and here again they are different from a group new to FOSS." The FOSSEd group quoted above was discussing an International summit but the same logic I think applies to a US national conference. This working summit might address some national questions ( Could Indiana be a national model? Does Vista represent a huge opportunity for FOSS at the national level, can we create cross-state frameworks for FOSS and required curriculum matching, etc). One outcome of such a gathering might be the planning for a National Open Source and Education Conference that is along the NELS model for teachers and administrators. Or it might be a plan for helping other regions create their own 'NELS like' conferences. Or some funded push for the creation of other parts of the FOSS Education ecosystem -> marketing materials, curriculum, etc. I think the Open Source community would benefit immensely from having both of these gatherings. But I also think they are targeted at different audiences, have different goals and have different indicators of success. Having said that, I am volunteering to help organize either of these events if people believe we should move forward with them. My experience with organizing the Open Source and Education conference in New Zealand was just around getting the speakers since the lodging, food and travel issues were already taken care of by the main conference organizers. At the very least, I would be happy to supply the beer for a late night planning session at either of the NELS conferences. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 11 16:51:45 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:51:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp server Message-ID: <20060411095145.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f76a850c78.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Do you have to create the DHCP server settings from scratch in the B2 of LTSP 5.0? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 11 17:24:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:24:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bryant....I posted this to the fedora education list that Warren created the other day (feel free to join) as you have many great ideas that everyone needs to see. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 12:54 PM +0000 wrote: > >On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:29 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >>> But the open source in education community in the US, badly, badly >>> needs a national conference. Nobody really knows what's going on on >>> the national scale. What in God's name is going on in Indiana? Has >>> anyone actually talked to Mike Huffman? There's a tremendous mix of >>> grass-roots, corporate and larger state and district backed projects >>> going on, but very little coordination or information moving around. >>> Or if it is taking place, it is somewhere I don't know about. Most of >>> the key players haven't met. Many of them are using free software >>> because they don't have much money, which means they also don't have >>> much money or time to travel to conferences, either. Not to mention >>> networking with people from Spain, Brazil, etc., where they're plowing >>> ahead of us in using free software in schools. So we're long overdue >>> for a "Free Software in Schools Summit." We need to have one next >>> year. >> >> Is there general consensus about this? And what would be the goal -- >> information sharing, primarily? > >Parts of this discussion parallel another one about an International >FOSS/Education conference that grew out of the Open Source and >Education mini-conference in New Zealand last January > >In that discussion, we came to understand we were talking about two >different gatherings and I think that could also be the case with a US >national conference. The first conference, which we referred as the >Open Source and Education Summit (great minds think alike Tom) was >described as follows: [excerpt from the FOSSEd discussion group at >http://fossed.org/pipermail/discussion_fossed.org/] > >"However, the 20-50 people Open Source and Education Summit would be >different. It's purpose and focus is NOT primarily getting people >introduced and charged up about FOSS and Education. Rather, it would >be to gather the people *already* doing some amazing things together >with the purpose of having a working gathering that answers the >question "If we explicitly plan to cooperate, what truly amazing, >things could we do?". The invitees would know about >distros, and OpenOffice and Linux. This would not necessarily be a >gathering of FOSS Rock Stars (no offense maddog) but people doing >amazing things in their local community. It would also serve the other >purpose that we discussed of honoring these people. > >I would invite the people who spoke at the EduMiniConf (Edward, Shaun, >Donna, Kathryn, Pia). I would invite David Trask and Matt Olmquist >from NELS, I would invite Scott from HOSEF. I would find a person from >Extremadura (sp?) in Spain, from the Brazilian government, from >Edubuntu, SkoleLinux, and sourceforge.uk. We should track down someone >from Japan and China. Try to reach into the FOSSEd trenches all over >the globe >the way the MacArthur grant people do for their fellows. Then invite >all those people. Send them a nice packet of information before the >summit that gives a description of all the cool things their fellow >attendees are doing so they come to the Summit thinking 'Wow - I am >going to meet some really cool people!' Then, perhaps we entice some >FOSS rock stars to come and speak to (and praise) them. Meeting these >FOSS stars (maddog, Mark Shuttlesworth, Linus himself, RMS, etc.) >would be very cool for this group - and here again they are different >from a group new to FOSS." > >The FOSSEd group quoted above was discussing an International summit >but the same logic I think applies to a US national conference. > >This working summit might address some national questions ( Could >Indiana be a national model? Does Vista represent a huge opportunity >for FOSS at the national level, can we create cross-state frameworks >for FOSS and required curriculum matching, etc). One outcome of such a >gathering might be the planning for a National Open Source and >Education Conference that is along the NELS model for teachers and >administrators. Or it might be a plan for helping other regions create >their own 'NELS like' conferences. Or some funded push for the >creation of other parts of the FOSS Education ecosystem -> marketing >materials, curriculum, etc. > >I think the Open Source community would benefit immensely from having >both of these gatherings. But I also think they are targeted at >different audiences, have different goals and have different indicators >of success. > >Having said that, I am volunteering to help organize either of these >events if people believe we should move forward with them. My >experience with organizing the Open Source and Education conference in >New Zealand was just around getting the speakers since the lodging, >food and travel issues were already taken care of by the main >conference organizers. At the very least, I would be happy to supply >the beer for a late night planning session at either of the NELS >conferences. > >Bryant Patten >White Nitro, LLC > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 11 17:52:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:52:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: References: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <443BECD7.2090801@maltzen.net> Doug, Could you add this to the wiki, please? As you mentioned, this has come up before, so it seems a good thing to document. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > Thanks! > > That is just waht I wanted! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> I have seen this posted several times but . . . >>> >>> How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen >>> and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP >>> server? >>> >>> I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >> >> Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or >> later) and set: >> >> HaltCommand= >> RebootCommand= >> SuspendCommand= >> >> >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this for >> you. >> >> >> For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following lines: >> >> # HaltCmd= >> # RebootCmd= >> >> Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for you... >> >> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Apr 11 17:57:54 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:57:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp server - got it Message-ID: <20060411105754.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.00ab20cc82.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> It's amazing what you can find with a little reading;) Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 11 18:48:52 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:48:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, FUSE, music cd's Message-ID: <07EA3F87-C38D-4238-B8B7-C525C33F41BF@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings, I've set up ltsp 4.2 on a testing machine, with the most recent release of ubuntu (latest flight, plus updates) and usb and cd-rom mounting works great. However, I haven't yet seen this mentioned, so I'm not sure if it's an issue for anyone else. When I put a music CD in the CD-ROM drive, nothing really happens at all. Do music CD's not work using 4.2 and FUSE? Thanks, Brad Johnson From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 11 18:49:39 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:49:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: <443BECD7.2090801@maltzen.net> References: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <443BECD7.2090801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I would if I knew where, how and etc. for the wiki. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Doug, > Could you add this to the wiki, please? As you mentioned, this has come up before, so > it seems a good thing to document. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Thanks! > > > > That is just waht I wanted! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> Doug Simpson wrote: > >>> I have seen this posted several times but . . . > >>> > >>> How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen > >>> and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP > >>> server? > >>> > >>> I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Doug Simpson > >>> Technology Specialist > >>> DeQueen Public Schools > >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 > >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> Tux for President! > >>> > >> > >> Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or > >> later) and set: > >> > >> HaltCommand= > >> RebootCommand= > >> SuspendCommand= > >> > >> > >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this for > >> you. > >> > >> > >> For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following lines: > >> > >> # HaltCmd= > >> # RebootCmd= > >> > >> Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for you... > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 11 18:53:49 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:53:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, FUSE, music cd's In-Reply-To: <07EA3F87-C38D-4238-B8B7-C525C33F41BF@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <07EA3F87-C38D-4238-B8B7-C525C33F41BF@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <443BFB3D.9020409@McQuil.com> Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings, > > I've set up ltsp 4.2 on a testing machine, with the most recent > release of ubuntu (latest flight, plus updates) and usb and cd-rom > mounting works great. However, I haven't yet seen this mentioned, so > I'm not sure if it's an issue for anyone else. When I put a music CD > in the CD-ROM drive, nothing really happens at all. Do music CD's not > work using 4.2 and FUSE? No. FUSE is for mounting filesystems. Music cds are NOT filesystems. We are interested in providing a method of playing music cds, but at this point, I can't say it's at the top of our list. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks, > > Brad Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 11 19:11:13 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:11:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, FUSE, music cd's In-Reply-To: <443BFB3D.9020409@McQuil.com> References: <07EA3F87-C38D-4238-B8B7-C525C33F41BF@independence.k12.ia.us> <443BFB3D.9020409@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > No. FUSE is for mounting filesystems. Music cds are NOT filesystems. > > We are interested in providing a method of playing music cds, but > at this point, I can't say it's at the top of our list. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Thanks for the quick reply Jim...I just knew the question would arise from some of our teachers or students, so i had to ask. It's pretty low priority for me too! Thanks for all the incredible work on 4.2 Brad From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 11 19:16:46 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:16:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: References: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <443BECD7.2090801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <443C009E.8070103@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > I would if I knew where, how and etc. for the wiki. . . I posted it here: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ARemoveShutdownRebootFromLogin Wiki editing: 1. Go to http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki 2. Make up a WikiName for yourself and sign in with it using the login in the lower-left hand corner of the page. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Apr 11 19:05:17 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:05:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP/Fedora Authentication against Windows ADS Message-ID: <200604111923.k3BJNHxo020556@mx3.redhat.com> All, I have had several request for the tutorial on how to authenticate K12LTSP/Fedore Core against a Windows Active Directory Server so I have uploaded it to the wiki.ltsp.org site. The tutorial can be viewed by clicking on the following link: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/k12ltspandadsauthenticatio n.pdf As usual, I welcome all comments, questions, concerns and frustrations. No personal problems accepted. ;) Hope this tutorial helps all who are interested! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roy at mpk.com Tue Apr 11 21:29:37 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:29:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604112131.k3BLVE9h018907@mx1.redhat.com> I have the opposite problem. There are no choices on my clients to reboot the client. I either have to do a ctrl+alt+f2 and type reboot or hold the button in for 6 seconds. Any ideas? Am I overlooking something? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:50 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus I would if I knew where, how and etc. for the wiki. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Doug, > Could you add this to the wiki, please? As you mentioned, this has come up before, so > it seems a good thing to document. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Thanks! > > > > That is just waht I wanted! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> Doug Simpson wrote: > >>> I have seen this posted several times but . . . > >>> > >>> How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen > >>> and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP > >>> server? > >>> > >>> I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Doug Simpson > >>> Technology Specialist > >>> DeQueen Public Schools > >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 > >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> Tux for President! > >>> > >> > >> Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or > >> later) and set: > >> > >> HaltCommand= > >> RebootCommand= > >> SuspendCommand= > >> > >> > >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this for > >> you. > >> > >> > >> For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following lines: > >> > >> # HaltCmd= > >> # RebootCmd= > >> > >> Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for you... > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From klaus at skolelinux.no Tue Apr 11 22:01:21 2006 From: klaus at skolelinux.no (Klaus Ade Johnstad) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:01:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, FUSE, music cd's In-Reply-To: <443BFB3D.9020409@McQuil.com> References: <07EA3F87-C38D-4238-B8B7-C525C33F41BF@independence.k12.ia.us> <443BFB3D.9020409@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <200604120001.24990.klaus@skolelinux.no> Tirsdag 11. april 2006 20:53, skrev Jim McQuillan: > Brad Johnson wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I've set up ltsp 4.2 on a testing machine, with the most recent > > release of ubuntu (latest flight, plus updates) and usb and cd-rom > > mounting works great. However, I haven't yet seen this mentioned, > > so I'm not sure if it's an issue for anyone else. When I put a > > music CD in the CD-ROM drive, nothing really happens at all. Do > > music CD's not work using 4.2 and FUSE? > > No. FUSE is for mounting filesystems. Music cds are NOT > filesystems. > > We are interested in providing a method of playing music cds, but at > this point, I can't say it's at the top of our list. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad Johnson > > With ltsp4.1 I had music CD's working using cdfs http://www.elis.ugent.be/~ronsse/cdfs/ I realy haven't gotten my hands dirty with ltsp4.2 yet, but I guess playing music CD's with ltsp4.2 is doable. Will let you know how it turns out. Klaus -- 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School DATA: Using the mirror I get: [yum.repos.d]# yum clean all Cleaning up Everything 240 headers removed 7 packages removed 18 metadata files removed 0 cache files removed 5 cache files removed [yum.repos.d]# yum list updates Setting up repositories Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp Changing to using the baseurl I get the correct behavior. [lengthy data] [root at ncslts3 yum.repos.d]# yum list updates Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:06 k12ltsp : ################################################## 3617/3617 Added 3617 new packages, deleted 0 old in 37.26 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 388 kB 00:02 updates-re: ################################################## 1048/1048 Added 1048 new packages, deleted 0 old in 9.21 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 969 B 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 2/2 Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.02 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:06 extras : ################################################## 3521/3521 Added 3521 new packages, deleted 0 old in 21.61 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 824 kB 00:04 base : ################################################## 2772/2772 Added 2772 new packages, deleted 0 old in 14.22 seconds Updated Packages HelixPlayer.i386 1:1.0.6-1.fc4.2 k12ltsp ImageMagick.i386 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.1 k12ltsp NetworkManager.i386 0.5.1-1.FC4.4 k12ltsp NetworkManager-gnome.i386 0.5.1-1.FC4.4 k12ltsp SDL.i386 1.2.8-4 k12ltsp SDL_image.i386 1.2.4-1.fc4 k12ltsp SDL_mixer.i386 1.2.6-3.fc4 k12ltsp SDL_ttf.i386 2.0.7-1.fc4 extras acl.i386 2.2.32-1.FC4.2 k12ltsp acroread-plugin.i386 7.0.0-2.k12ltsp.4.4.0 k12ltsp alsa-lib.i386 1.0.10-3.FC4 k12ltsp alsa-utils.i386 1.0.10-1.FC4 k12ltsp anacron.i386 2.3-36.FC4 k12ltsp apr.i386 0.9.6-3.5 k12ltsp arts.i386 8:1.5.1-0.1.fc4 k12ltsp atomix.i386 2.13.3-0.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp attr.i386 2.4.24-1.FC4.1 k12ltsp audit.i386 1.0.14-1.fc4 k12ltsp audit-libs.i386 1.0.14-1.fc4 k12ltsp authconfig.i386 4.6.12-2 k12ltsp authconfig-gtk.i386 4.6.12-2 k12ltsp autofs.i386 1:4.1.4-15.1 k12ltsp bind.i386 24:9.3.1-18.FC4 k12ltsp bind-libs.i386 24:9.3.1-18.FC4 k12ltsp bind-utils.i386 24:9.3.1-18.FC4 k12ltsp blender.i386 2.41-2.fc4 k12ltsp bluefish.i386 1.0.5-1.fc4 k12ltsp caching-nameserver.noarch 7.3-4.FC4 k12ltsp caching-nameserver-ltsp.noarch 7.3-5.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp cdda2wav.i386 8:2.01.1-9.0.FC4.1 k12ltsp cdrecord.i386 8:2.01.1-9.0.FC4.1 k12ltsp celestia.i386 1.4.1-0.1.fc4 extras childsplay.noarch 0.80.3.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4 k12ltsp chkconfig.i386 1.3.23-0.4 k12ltsp ckermit.i386 8.0.211-3.FC4 k12ltsp comps.i386 4:4-0.20050830.k12ltsp k12ltsp coreutils.i386 5.2.1-48.1 k12ltsp cpio.i386 2.6-9.FC4 k12ltsp cpp.i386 4.0.2-8.fc4 k12ltsp cpuspeed.i386 1:1.2.1-1.24_FC4 k12ltsp cups.i386 1:1.1.23-15.4 k12ltsp cups-libs.i386 1:1.1.23-15.4 k12ltsp curl.i386 7.13.1-5.fc4 k12ltsp db4.i386 4.3.27-5.fc4 k12ltsp dbus.i386 0.33-3.fc4.1 k12ltsp dbus-glib.i386 0.33-3.fc4.1 k12ltsp dbus-python.i386 0.33-3.fc4.1 k12ltsp dbus-x11.i386 0.33-3.fc4.1 k12ltsp dhclient.i386 10:3.0.2-34.FC4.k12lts k12ltsp dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-34.FC4.k12lts k12ltsp dhcp-ltsp-config.noarch 0.0.5-k12ltsp.4.4.1 k12ltsp dhcpv6_client.i386 0.10-14_FC4 k12ltsp dia.i386 1:0.94-13.fc4 k12ltsp diskdumputils.i386 1.1.9-2 k12ltsp docbook-style-xsl.noarch 1.68.1-1.1 k12ltsp e2fsprogs.i386 1.38-0.FC4.1 k12ltsp eject.i386 2.1.1-0.fc4.1 k12ltsp esound.i386 1:0.2.36-0.fc4.1 k12ltsp evince.i386 0.4.0-1.2 k12ltsp evolution.i386 2.2.3-2.fc4 k12ltsp evolution-data-server.i386 1.2.3-3.fc4 k12ltsp fetchmail.i386 6.2.5.5-1.fc4 k12ltsp file.i386 4.16-fc4.1 k12ltsp firefox.i386 1.0.7-1.2.fc4.k12ltsp. k12ltsp fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp foomatic.i386 3.0.2-19.2 k12ltsp gaim.i386 1:1.5.0-16.fc4 k12ltsp gawk.i386 3.1.4-5.4 k12ltsp gc.i386 6.7-1.fc4 k12ltsp gdk-pixbuf.i386 1:0.22.0-18.fc4.2 k12ltsp gdm.i386 1:2.6.0.8-16.fc4 k12ltsp ghostscript.i386 7.07-41 k12ltsp gimp.i386 2:2.2.10-0.fc4.1 k12ltsp gimp-help.noarch 2-0.1.0.9.0.fc4.1 k12ltsp glib2.i386 2.6.6-1 k12ltsp glibc.i686 2.3.6-3 k12ltsp glibc-common.i386 2.3.6-3 k12ltsp gnome-python2-extras.i386 2.10.0-6 k12ltsp gnome-python2-gtkhtml2.i386 2.10.0-6 k12ltsp gnome-utils.i386 1:2.10.0-4 k12ltsp gnomemeeting.i386 1.2.2-1.FC4 k12ltsp gnupg.i386 1.4.2.2-1 k12ltsp gnutls.i386 1.0.25-2.FC4 k12ltsp gperiodic.i386 2.0.8-2.fc4 extras gphoto2.i386 2.1.6-1.1 k12ltsp groff.i386 1.18.1.1-6.FC4 k12ltsp gstreamer-plugins.i386 0.8.8-9 k12ltsp gtk2.i386 2.6.10-2.fc4.4 k12ltsp hal.i386 0.5.2-2.fc4.1 k12ltsp hpijs.i386 1:0.9.8-3.2 k12ltsp httpd.i386 2.0.54-10.3 k12ltsp hwdata.noarch 0.158.3-1 k12ltsp icewm.i386 1.2.23-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp icewm-l10n.i386 1.2.23-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp icewm-menu-gnome2.i386 1.2.23-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp icewm-themes.i386 1.2.23-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2 k12ltsp info.i386 4.8-8.fc4.1 k12ltsp inkscape.i386 0.43-1.fc4 k12ltsp k12ltsp-backgrounds.noarch 4.4.0-0 k12ltsp k12ltsp-release.noarch 4.4.1-3 k12ltsp kbd.i386 1.12-10.fc4.1 k12ltsp kdebase.i386 6:3.5.1-0.3.fc4 k12ltsp kdeedu.i386 3.5.1-0.1.fc4 k12ltsp kdegames.i386 6:3.5.1-0.1.fc4 k12ltsp kdelibs.i386 6:3.5.1-0.1.fc4 k12ltsp kernel-smp.i686 2.6.16-1.2069_FC4 k12ltsp kudzu.i386 1.1.116.3-1 k12ltsp lcms.i386 1.15-1.fc4 k12ltsp less.i386 394-1.fc4 k12ltsp lftp.i386 3.2.1-10_FC4 k12ltsp libacl.i386 2.2.32-1.FC4.2 k12ltsp libattr.i386 2.4.24-1.FC4.1 k12ltsp libgal2.i386 2:2.4.3-1.fc4 k12ltsp libgcc.i386 4.0.2-8.fc4 k12ltsp libgcj.i386 4.0.2-8.fc4 k12ltsp libpcap.i386 14:0.8.3-14.FC4 k12ltsp libraw1394.i386 1.2.0-1.fc4 k12ltsp libselinux.i386 1.23.11-1.1 k12ltsp libsoup.i386 2.2.3-4.FC4 k12ltsp libstdc++.i386 4.0.2-8.fc4 k12ltsp libtool-ltdl.i386 1.5.16.multilib2-3 k12ltsp libungif.i386 4.1.3-3.fc4.2 k12ltsp libwnck.i386 2.10.3-1 k12ltsp libwpd.i386 0.8.4-0 k12ltsp lm_sensors.i386 2.9.1-3.FC4.2 k12ltsp lockdev.i386 1.0.1-7.1 k12ltsp logwatch.noarch 7.2.1-1.fc4 k12ltsp ltsp_config.noarch 0.0.33-k12ltsp.4.4.1 k12ltsp man.i386 1.5p-6.fc4 k12ltsp man-pages.noarch 1.67-8 k12ltsp meld.noarch 1.1.2-1.fc4 k12ltsp metacity.i386 2.10.3-1 k12ltsp mkisofs.i386 8:2.01.1-9.0.FC4.1 k12ltsp module-init-tools.i386 3.2-0.pre9.0.FC4.4 k12ltsp mozilla.i386 37:1.7.12-1.5.2 k12ltsp mozilla-nspr.i386 37:1.7.12-1.5.2 k12ltsp mozilla-nss.i386 37:1.7.12-1.5.2 k12ltsp mtr.i386 2:0.71-0.FC4.1 k12ltsp mutt.i386 5:1.4.2.1-4.FC4 k12ltsp nc.i386 1.82-fc4.1 k12ltsp ncurses.i386 5.4-19.fc4 k12ltsp net-tools.i386 1.60-52.fc4.2 k12ltsp netpbm.i386 10.33-0.FC4 k12ltsp netpbm-progs.i386 10.33-0.FC4 k12ltsp nfs-utils.i386 1.0.7-12.FC4 k12ltsp nscd.i386 2.3.6-3 k12ltsp ntsysv.i386 1.3.23-0.4 k12ltsp openal.i386 0.0.9-0.4.20060204cvs. extras openh323.i386 1.15.6-1.FC4 k12ltsp openldap.i386 2.2.29-1.FC4 k12ltsp openldap-clients.i386 2.2.29-1.FC4 k12ltsp openmotif.i386 2.2.3-10.FC4.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-calc.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-core.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-draw.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-graphicfilter.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-impress.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-math.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-writer.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openoffice.org-xsltfilter.i386 1:2.0.1.1-5.1 k12ltsp openssh.i386 4.2p1-fc4.10 k12ltsp openssh-askpass.i386 4.2p1-fc4.10 k12ltsp openssh-askpass-gnome.i386 4.2p1-fc4.10 k12ltsp openssh-clients.i386 4.2p1-fc4.10 k12ltsp openssh-server.i386 4.2p1-fc4.10 k12ltsp openssl.i686 0.9.7f-7.10 k12ltsp pam.i386 0.79-9.6 k12ltsp pam_krb5.i386 2.1.15-2 k12ltsp pcre.i386 5.0-4.1.fc4 k12ltsp perl.i386 3:5.8.6-24 k12ltsp perl-Compress-Zlib.i386 1.37-1.fc4 k12ltsp pilot-link.i386 1:0.12.0-0.pre4.0.fc4. k12ltsp policycoreutils.i386 1.27.2-1.2 k12ltsp poppler.i386 0.4.5-1.1 k12ltsp popt.i386 1.10.1-23 k12ltsp psmisc.i386 21.5-5 k12ltsp pwlib.i386 1.8.7-1.FC4 k12ltsp pyOpenSSL.i386 0.6-1.p24.4.1 k12ltsp pygtk2.i386 2.6.2-0.fc4.4 k12ltsp pygtk2-libglade.i386 2.6.2-0.fc4.4 k12ltsp qcad.i386 2.0.5.0-3.fc4 extras qt.i386 1:3.3.4-15.4 k12ltsp rp-pppoe.i386 3.5-27.FC4.1 k12ltsp rpm.i386 4.4.1-23 k12ltsp rpm-build.i386 4.4.1-23 k12ltsp rpm-libs.i386 4.4.1-23 k12ltsp rpm-python.i386 4.4.1-23 k12ltsp rsh.i386 0.17-29.1 k12ltsp sane-backends.i386 1.0.17-0.fc4.2 k12ltsp schoolbell.i386 1.2.3-k12ltsp.4.4.1 k12ltsp schooltool.i386 0.11.3-k12ltsp.4.4.1 k12ltsp scribus.i386 1.2.4.1-3.fc4 extras selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 1.27.1-2.22 k12ltsp sendmail.i386 8.13.6-0.FC4.1 k12ltsp setools.i386 2.1.2-1.1 k12ltsp setup.noarch 2.5.44-1.1 k12ltsp shadow-utils.i386 2:4.0.12-8.FC4 k12ltsp slib.noarch 3a1-5.fc4 k12ltsp slocate.i386 2.7-22.fc4.1 k12ltsp spamassassin.i386 3.0.4-2.fc4 k12ltsp squid.i386 7:2.5.STABLE13-1.FC4 k12ltsp sudo.i386 1.6.8p8-2.4 k12ltsp sysreport.noarch 1.4.1-5 k12ltsp system-config-nfs.noarch 1.3.19-0.fc4.2 k12ltsp system-config-soundcard.noarch 1.2.12-5.FC4 k12ltsp system-config-users.noarch 1.2.41-0.fc4.1 k12ltsp tar.i386 1.15.1-11.FC4 k12ltsp tcpdump.i386 14:3.8.2-14.FC4 k12ltsp tcsh.i386 6.14-1.fc4.2 k12ltsp termcap.noarch 1:5.4-7fc4 k12ltsp tetex.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp tetex-afm.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp tetex-dvips.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp tetex-fonts.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp tetex-latex.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp tetex-xdvi.i386 3.0-9.FC4 k12ltsp thunderbird.i386 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 k12ltsp ttmkfdir.i386 3.0.9-16.1 k12ltsp tuxpaint.i386 1:0.9.15b-1.k12ltsp.4. k12ltsp tuxpaint-config.i386 1:0.0.6-0.k12ltsp.4.4. k12ltsp tuxpaint-stamps.i386 1:2005.11.25-0.k12ltsp k12ltsp tzdata.noarch 2006b-2.fc4 k12ltsp udev.i386 071-0.FC4.3 k12ltsp unzip.i386 5.51-13.fc4 k12ltsp util-linux.i386 2.12p-9.14 k12ltsp vim-common.i386 1:6.3.086-0.fc4 k12ltsp vim-enhanced.i386 1:6.3.086-0.fc4 k12ltsp vim-minimal.i386 1:6.3.086-0.fc4 k12ltsp vino.i386 2.10.0-4.1 k12ltsp vixie-cron.i386 4:4.1-41.FC4 k12ltsp vnc.i386 4.1.1-10.1 k12ltsp vnc-server.i386 4.1.1-10.1 k12ltsp vte.i386 0.11.14-3.fc4 k12ltsp wget.i386 1.10.2-0.fc4 k12ltsp wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre10.4 k12ltsp xdelta.i386 1.1.3-17.fc4 k12ltsp xinitrc.noarch 4.0.18.1-1 k12ltsp xmltex.noarch 20020625-5.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-Mesa-libGLU.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-deprecated-libs.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-font-utils.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-libs.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-tools.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-twm.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-xauth.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-xdm.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xorg-x11-xfs.i386 6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 k12ltsp xterm.i386 208-4.FC4 k12ltsp yelp.i386 2.10.0-1.4.2 k12ltsp [yum.repos.d]# > 1) For the K12LTSP 4.4.x /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo, you should have > this as your mirrorlist entry: > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > > Be sure to do a "yum clean all" to make sure you don't have a stale cache. > > If for some reason that does not work (post the error), the direct > baseurl is currently: > > baseurl=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 00:02:56 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] usbps2 adapter on client Message-ID: <9bd317560604111702s640fc7bfw910811daac99a120@mail.gmail.com> I have one of these usb to ps2 adapters which i have to (would like to very much) use with a terminial and kvm. My terminal only has usb and the kvm is all ps2. The problem is that when the terminlal boots the mouse only moves in one axis, up and down. Tehe keyboard works fine. This adapter works fine with a desktop install. I've tried doing modprobe -l with the thing plugged in and not plugged in and the lists are the same. Does anyone know how I can get this adapter to work? Thanks !! Peter From dalen at czexan.net Wed Apr 12 03:08:20 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:08:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.0b2 yum error In-Reply-To: <443BC5B7.3080201@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443BAF18.9060307@czexan.net> <443BC5B7.3080201@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <443C6F24.5010007@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Dale Sykora wrote: > >>Eric, >> I just installed k12ltsp-5.0.0b2-32bit and tried to "yum install >>thunderbird". Yum showed a 404 error and it appears that it was looking >>in the wrong directory (the $arch part was missing). I think the >>mirrorlist page needs fixing. >> >>was >>http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm >> >> >>should be >>http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dale >> > > > The mirrorlist page just points to the various mirrors, which appears to > be working just fine (yum found a valid mirror). The paths to specific > files are contained within the mirror's repository information. > > Likely you have a bad cache. Clear out the cache and see if it then works: > > yum clean all > yum install thunderbird > > > -Eric Eric, I just tried your suggestion and get the same thing (see below). Anything else I should try? Thanks, Dale [root at pc-00097 ~]# yum clean all Loading "installonlyn" plugin Cleaning up Everything 0 headers removed 0 packages removed 18 metadata files removed 0 cache files removed 6 cache files removed [root at pc-00097 ~]# yum install thunderbird Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/6] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [2/6] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [3/6] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [4/6] updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin [5/6] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [6/6] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 macromedia: ################################# 2/3Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.04 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:01 core : ################################################## 2207/2207 Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.09 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 853 kB 00:00 k12ltsp : ################################################## 2802/2802 Added 2802 new packages, deleted 0 old in 47.29 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 118 kB 00:01 updates : ################################################## 391/391 Added 391 new packages, deleted 0 old in 6.80 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 969 B 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 2/2 Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.07 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 787 kB 00:01 extras : ################################################## 2235/2235 Added 2235 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.35 seconds Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for thunderbird to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:51:38 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Content-Length: 353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Cache: MISS from tux.stannecc.org Connection: keep-alive Trying other mirror. Error: failure: Fedora/RPMS/thunderbird-1.5-6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at pc-00097 ~]# From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Apr 12 12:32:23 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:32:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] WIndows and k12ltsp Message-ID: <443CF357.7030907@msad3.org> I looked through the archives and not sure of the answer. I have this as a setup; internet---firewall--network --- smbldap domain controller---K12LTSP---Thin clients and some windows machines. Is it possible to get the windows machines to log into the smbldap domain controller? The K12LTSP has the home directory NFS'd to the smbldap. The windows machines behind the Terminal server can get out to the internet, but not login to the domain controller. Some are xp, most are win98. Thanks. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 12 12:40:16 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:40:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: <200604112131.k3BLVE9h018907@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604112131.k3BLVE9h018907@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Normally, you don't need to reboot the client. The reboot and shutdown items on the menus on the clients actually work on the server, meaning they reboot or shutdown the server. To reboot the client, just use the ctrl-alt-backspace thing and it will reset the client. Or just turn it off. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Roy wrote: > I have the opposite problem. There are no choices on my clients to reboot > the client. I either have to do a ctrl+alt+f2 and type reboot or hold the > button in for 6 seconds. Any ideas? Am I overlooking something? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:50 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus > > I would if I knew where, how and etc. for the wiki. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Doug, > > Could you add this to the wiki, please? As you mentioned, this has come > up before, so > > it seems a good thing to document. > > > > Petre > > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Thanks! > > > > > > That is just waht I wanted! > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > >> Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>> I have seen this posted several times but . . . > > >>> > > >>> How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login > screen > > >>> and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an > LTSP > > >>> server? > > >>> > > >>> I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> Doug Simpson > > >>> Technology Specialist > > >>> DeQueen Public Schools > > >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 > > >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> Tux for President! > > >>> > > >> > > >> Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit > > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or > > >> later) and set: > > >> > > >> HaltCommand= > > >> RebootCommand= > > >> SuspendCommand= > > >> > > >> > > >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this > for > > >> you. > > >> > > >> > > >> For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following > lines: > > >> > > >> # HaltCmd= > > >> # RebootCmd= > > >> > > >> Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for > you... > > >> > > >> -Eric > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 13:08:21 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:08:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems Message-ID: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> Well I have installed Kubuntu Breezy 5.10 fresh onto my home server. I have followed Paul's tuturial for Ubuntu but am stuck. When I run ltspcfg and show the status of all services everything comes up installed/enable/running = yes except for xdmcp. Xdmcp is installed = yes, enabled = no, running = yes. I cannot figure out what to do to get it enabled. I looked at /etc/kde3/kdm/xdmrc and I see that Enable=true is the default for xdmcp. Also I see that /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess is the default access file. I checked that file and ltspcfg added the needed "*" at the bottom to allow all hosts to connect. What am I missing? The result is that my test terminal (a Term150) boots everything normal, then gets to starting X, after showing stuff on the screen for XF86Config it flashes to a grey screen with the X in the middle, then back to black after a few seconds, then back to grey after a while for a few seconds and black,etc. It is like it keeps trying to fire X indefinitely. I hope the problem is incorrect configuration for xdmcp. Help! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Apr 12 13:34:45 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Wed, April 12, 2006 9:08 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Well I have installed Kubuntu Breezy 5.10 fresh onto my home server. I > have > followed Paul's tuturial for Ubuntu but am stuck. When I run ltspcfg and > show > the status of all services everything comes up installed/enable/running = > yes > except for xdmcp. Xdmcp is installed = yes, enabled = no, running = yes. > I > cannot figure out what to do to get it enabled. > > I looked at /etc/kde3/kdm/xdmrc and I see that Enable=true is the default > for > xdmcp. Also I see that /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess is the default access file. > I > checked that file and ltspcfg added the needed "*" at the bottom to allow > all > hosts to connect. > > What am I missing? You are missing an updated ltspcfg. the version of ltspcfg that you are using has a bug, where Xdmcp ALWAYS shows that it's not enabled. It has been fixed. I'm pretty sure that the latest ltsp-utils package in Ubuntu's repository has the fix. if not, then go to the LTSP wiki, and look at the ltsp-4.2 page, and download the ltsp-utils .deb package from there and install it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > The result is that my test terminal (a Term150) boots everything normal, > then > gets to starting X, after showing stuff on the screen for XF86Config it > flashes to a grey screen with the X in the middle, then back to black > after a > few seconds, then back to grey after a while for a few seconds and > black,etc. > It is like it keeps trying to fire X indefinitely. I hope the problem is > incorrect configuration for xdmcp. > > Help! > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 13:39:40 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:39:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> > You are missing an updated ltspcfg. > > the version of ltspcfg that you are using has a bug, where Xdmcp ALWAYS > shows that it's not enabled. > > It has been fixed. I'm pretty sure that the latest ltsp-utils > package in Ubuntu's repository has the fix. if not, then go to the > LTSP wiki, and look at the ltsp-4.2 page, and download the ltsp- > utils .deb package from there and install it. How long ago was this updated? I downloaded ltsp-utils_0.22_all.deb from ltsp.org on 4-11-06 at 2:57pm. I would think that would be new enough. Like I said, this is a completely fresh install. I wanted to follow Paul's tutorial and look for any missed steps to help improve it. So I wiped this thing out and started over. The only difference I see here is maybe that I am using Kubuntu, does using KDE make any difference? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 13:41:33 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:41:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] WIndows and k12ltsp Message-ID: <20060412064133.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a2836e06f2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> The windows machines shouldn't be behind the LTSP server. They should be on the same subnet as the Domain Controller. Is one of your servers providing DHCP? I believe that the DC login request is a broadcast packet and therefore is getting blocked/filtered by the routing services that your LTSP server is providing. If the Samba/LDAP server is providing DHCP, and Windows machines are on the same LAN as the Samba/LDAP server then set them up to receive a DHCP request and everything should be good. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] WIndows and k12ltsp > From: Mark Gumprecht > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 7:32 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > I looked through the archives and not sure of the answer. I have this as > a setup; > internet---firewall--network --- smbldap domain > controller---K12LTSP---Thin clients and some windows machines. > Is it possible to get the windows machines to log into the smbldap > domain controller? > The K12LTSP has the home directory NFS'd to the smbldap. The windows > machines behind the Terminal server can get out to the internet, but not > login to the domain controller. Some are xp, most are win98. > Thanks. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 13:48:57 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap script Message-ID: <20060412064856.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5c514f198c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Does anyone know if the samba/LDAP script works on the latest K12LTSP 5.0 B2? I wanted to ask before I hose my server. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From jam at mcquil.com Wed Apr 12 13:58:53 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Wed, April 12, 2006 9:39 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> You are missing an updated ltspcfg. >> >> the version of ltspcfg that you are using has a bug, where Xdmcp ALWAYS >> shows that it's not enabled. >> >> It has been fixed. I'm pretty sure that the latest ltsp-utils >> package in Ubuntu's repository has the fix. if not, then go to the >> LTSP wiki, and look at the ltsp-4.2 page, and download the ltsp- >> utils .deb package from there and install it. > > How long ago was this updated? > > I downloaded ltsp-utils_0.22_all.deb from ltsp.org on 4-11-06 at 2:57pm. > I > would think that would be new enough. > > Like I said, this is a completely fresh install. I wanted to follow > Paul's > tutorial and look for any missed steps to help improve it. So I wiped > this > thing out and started over. > > The only difference I see here is maybe that I am using Kubuntu, does > using > KDE make any difference? Yeah, it does make a difference. KDE is using KDM, and apparently, we aren't handling the detection of kdm properly yet. I load up a box and see what's going on. Thanks, Jim. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 14:05:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> > Yeah, it does make a difference. KDE is using KDM, and apparently, > we aren't handling the detection of kdm properly yet. > > I load up a box and see what's going on. Cool, well not really, but at least maybe it isn't just me :-) In the meantime I'll still keep following any troubleshooting steps I can find. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 14:13:32 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:13:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? Message-ID: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the day. So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central computer out to a range of others? Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a nightmare. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 14:25:51 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:25:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? Message-ID: <20060412072551.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4f113a4aaf.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Jim, I remember seeing a post where someone had setup an IP based system. I can't remember if it was on here or on the Asterisk site. If you haven't checked out Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. I will see if I can't find the post. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 9:13 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the > day. > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a > nightmare. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 14:30:41 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:30:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? Message-ID: <20060412073041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.36008ff168.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I just came accross this. http://www.digitalacoustics.com/ii3_talkmaster.htm#TMEE Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 9:13 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the > day. > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a > nightmare. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Apr 12 14:32:26 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:32:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap script In-Reply-To: <20060412064856.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5c514f198c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060412064856.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5c514f198c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 9:48 AM +0000 wrote: >Does anyone know if the samba/LDAP script works on the latest K12LTSP >5.0 B2? I wanted to ask before I hose my server. > >Thanks, > >Ron I have not tried it and am very curious to see if it works....maybe I can give it a whirl during school vacation next week. > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 238-1890 cell >1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 14:34:22 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:34:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? Message-ID: <20060412073422.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.35cffc1c1f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Here is some info on using Asterisk as a paging system. http://voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+paging+and+intercom Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 9:13 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the > day. > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a > nightmare. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 14:39:34 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412073041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.36008ff168.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060412073041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.36008ff168.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060412143517.M33669@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:30:41 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > I just came accross this. > > http://www.digitalacoustics.com/ii3_talkmaster.htm#TMEE Thanks. I'll check it out. I was actually hoping for something a little more rough. Possibly how to script this command line style. Hoping that maybe I can build a linux box to be the source of all of this and have teacher computers be sort of a dummy client just recieving the broadcast and playing them. Again, the purpose of the move is to save money, and spending money on a refined solution won't be very popular. Does anyone even have a simple command that would play a sound to other clients? How about something along the lines of how ltsp sends sound events to clients? I know from some messing around with the macs that you can set a client to listen for certain events on port x, and then set the server to broadcast certain sound events out to port x. Could this be a start? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 12 14:47:46 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:47:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1144853265.10873.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 09:13, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. What you need is a multicast stream transmitter and receivers and a way to automatically switch the multicast group address that the receivers use at appropriate times. Videolan-client can do the stream sending and receiving but I don't know if you can control the receiving stream group remotely. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 14:52:31 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:52:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412143517.M33669@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412073041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.36008ff168.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <20060412143517.M33669@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060412144629.M68897@winonacotter.org> Does anyone even have a simple command that would play a sound to other > clients? How about something along the lines of how ltsp sends > sound events to clients? I know from some messing around with the > macs that you can set a client to listen for certain events on port > x, and then set the server to broadcast certain sound events out to > port x. Could this be a start? To expand on the above could a person use something like ESD and the concepts behind /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound? Could I use a linux box to capture sound from local sound files and a local microphone and broadcast sound in a fashion that the above script uses? Then and some sort of service to teacher machines (in this case OSX) to listen with esd similar to the following: /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public & This sound far fetched, let me know if I am way off base. I wouldn't even be opposed to sticking a linux box in each classroom if I had to. Maybe ltsp could be used in its entirity to do this...... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 12 15:15:13 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:15:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? Message-ID: <20060412081513.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.229d2a20d5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I just downloaded this cool little app and it seems to work great. It is supposed to be shareware. If there is a cost, I doubt that it would be much. It wouldn't be as much as the cost of your time developing something new;) http://nch.com.au/oi/index.html Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 9:30 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I just came accross this. > > http://www.digitalacoustics.com/ii3_talkmaster.htm#TMEE > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? > > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > > Date: Wed, April 12, 2006 9:13 am > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save > > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high > > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now > > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. > > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the > > day. > > > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > > computer out to a range of others? > > > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. > > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a > > nightmare. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 16:00:18 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:00:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412081513.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.229d2a20d5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060412081513.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.229d2a20d5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060412155906.M39847@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:15:13 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > I just downloaded this cool little app and it seems to work great. > It is supposed to be shareware. If there is a cost, I doubt that > it would be much. It wouldn't be as much as the cost of your time developing > something new; I'll check it out for other possibilities. But it appears to be windows only, we only have macs in classrooms. thanks again Less, I'll look into videolan. thanks for the suggestions. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 12 16:23:33 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Interesting concept. . . If the computers are logged in at the beginning of each period, it is possible to make them play a pre-recorded message at a certain time (login time) and it is possible to give messages based on computer names, etc. At our school, we are trying to make a standard for computer names. . .(still getting there, but can't seem to get them named right when they are installed. . .). So, for computers named jhxxx (where xxx is computer specific and jh is the class or building) they will get messagejh.wav and for computers hsxxx they will get messagehs.wav. If the classroom must be interrupted during the period, those announcements are done over the regularinterrupting any class except the specific one(s). You didn't say what OS is on the workstations or anything. We have Winders on the workstations and linux as servers here and I do a lot of things based on computer names. I had actually thought about this but never got around ti implementing it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the > day. > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a > nightmare. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roy at mpk.com Wed Apr 12 15:59:10 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:59:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604121632.k3CGWArk003055@mx1.redhat.com> Doug, ctrl-alt-backspace does the same thing on all of my clients as the disconnect does. It just goes to shell for a second and comes back to the login. Since it is possible for me to go to ctrl+alt+f2 and type reboot or halt from there then I don't see why this can't be added to the login screen menu (or icon). This way it only affects the client. Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus Normally, you don't need to reboot the client. The reboot and shutdown items on the menus on the clients actually work on the server, meaning they reboot or shutdown the server. To reboot the client, just use the ctrl-alt-backspace thing and it will reset the client. Or just turn it off. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Roy wrote: > I have the opposite problem. There are no choices on my clients to reboot > the client. I either have to do a ctrl+alt+f2 and type reboot or hold the > button in for 6 seconds. Any ideas? Am I overlooking something? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:50 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus > > I would if I knew where, how and etc. for the wiki. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Doug, > > Could you add this to the wiki, please? As you mentioned, this has come > up before, so > > it seems a good thing to document. > > > > Petre > > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Thanks! > > > > > > That is just waht I wanted! > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > >> Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>> I have seen this posted several times but . . . > > >>> > > >>> How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login > screen > > >>> and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an > LTSP > > >>> server? > > >>> > > >>> I have had a problem with the server getting shutdown by users. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> Doug Simpson > > >>> Technology Specialist > > >>> DeQueen Public Schools > > >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 > > >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> Tux for President! > > >>> > > >> > > >> Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit > > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (FC4 or earlier) or /etc/gdm/custom.conf (FC5 or > > >> later) and set: > > >> > > >> HaltCommand= > > >> RebootCommand= > > >> SuspendCommand= > > >> > > >> > > >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl will do this > for > > >> you. > > >> > > >> > > >> For KDM, edit /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and comment out (#) the following > lines: > > >> > > >> # HaltCmd= > > >> # RebootCmd= > > >> > > >> Running opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl will do this for > you... > > >> > > >> -Eric > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Apr 12 16:32:36 2006 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <38888.216.229.68.126.1144859556.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I have messed with (and will implement ... sometime soon) and Ip phone system. We will probably start off as a purely Ip PA system. I tested and liked, Asterisk @ home. Look it up. I think it will do what you want. you have a server and either real or soft phones. The server needs to be a bit of a bang-up multi-processor type, but we had 5 phones working on a PIII server, so that might give you some idea as to hardware. It was terrifically easy to set up and documentation is great. BK > I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to > save > some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. > high > campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. > Now > the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period > day. > And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout > the > day. > > So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system > for > announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a > microphone > hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range > x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one > central > computer out to a range of others? > > Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and > speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what > classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of > machines > to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to > accept > these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > > I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is > crazy. > But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is > a > nightmare. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Apr 12 19:45:40 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:45:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I had the same problem on kubuntu some time ago when testing, and once I upgraded KDE to 3.51 all the problems went away. Prior to that upgrade, I horsed around an entire day trying to make magic. HTH, Brad On Apr 12, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Yeah, it does make a difference. KDE is using KDM, and apparently, >> we aren't handling the detection of kdm properly yet. >> >> I load up a box and see what's going on. > > Cool, well not really, but at least maybe it isn't just me :-) > > In the meantime I'll still keep following any troubleshooting steps > I can find. > > Thanks > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Apr 12 19:50:46 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:50:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring IM Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D885@MAILBE2.westat.com> This is sort of off topic but possibly not completely. I have a K12LTSP machine that is currently not actually serving any clients. We're "between houses" right now and our rental doesn't have any internet access so right now this isn't an issue. My plan for our new houses is to set up a small K12LTSP server with three clients. I've got a Smoothwall and DansGuardian box set up and that seems to work pretty well for what it is but as far as I know, it won't help me here (and obviously it isn't doing *anything* right now). My daughter is starting to ask if she can use instant messaging with her friends. So far we've been able to just say no and we may do that for a while but sooner or later, she's going to get herself an account and start IMing. I figure I'm better off if I can be the one setting things up. I guess what I'm looking for is something that will let me a) limit connections to a list of IM accounts that I can monitor b) keep a log of all messaging c) anything else I haven't thought of but should do Any suggestions are welcome. -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 20:00:26 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:00:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:45:40 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote > I had the same problem on kubuntu some time ago when testing, and > once I upgraded KDE to 3.51 all the problems went away. Prior to > that upgrade, I horsed around an entire day trying to make magic. Did you manually download an installer from KDE or update with apt? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Apr 12 20:05:30 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:05:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:45:40 -0500, Brad Johnson wrote >> I had the same problem on kubuntu some time ago when testing, and >> once I upgraded KDE to 3.51 all the problems went away. Prior to >> that upgrade, I horsed around an entire day trying to make magic. > > Did you manually download an installer from KDE or update with apt? Jim I added the sources to apt and then updated...it's been some time ago, so off the top of my head, I can't remember what apt-sources I used, but I got them directly off the KDE website. Brad From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 12 20:24:46 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060412202419.M18961@winonacotter.org> > I added the sources to apt and then updated...it's been some time > ago, so off the top of my head, I can't remember what apt-sources I > used, but I got them directly off the KDE website. Thanks, I'll give the stuff from this site a try right now: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 12 20:58:08 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta2 i386 won't boot i810 clients Message-ID: <443D69E0.4010206@saskforestcentre.ca> I have a set of i810 clients which won't boot with the new k12ltsp beta2. They used to boot when it was a 4.2EL server, but I rebuilt it from scratch off 5b2. The clients won't boot. It complains about not being able to load agpgart.o, and lts.conf says this module is needed for i810 clients... The machines are Dell GX150's, 1GHz, 256MB, so they're capable of loading the kernel, etc. They just crash the X startup. Any ideas? Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 12 21:11:40 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:11:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details Message-ID: <443D6D0C.5040703@saskforestcentre.ca> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should share... 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered list should have more than two bullets. 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do about that, but there is usually some response on the list... Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as much as anyone else on the list. Angus Carr. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 12 21:55:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:55:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443D6D0C.5040703@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <443D6D0C.5040703@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <443D7759.3030109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > Hi, all, and particularly Eric. > > I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should share... > > 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a > problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is > 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a > problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf > (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right now ;-) > 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that > didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I > might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind > another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default 192.168.0.254. > 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered > list should have more than two bullets. Good to hear. > 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do > about that, but there is usually some response on the list... I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: XSERVER = vesa > Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as > much as anyone else on the list. > > Angus Carr. > -Eric From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Apr 13 00:02:02 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:02:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring IM In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D885@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D885@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20060412200202.41b0df9a@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:50:46 -0400 "Henry Hartley" wrote: > > This is sort of off topic but possibly not completely. I have a > K12LTSP machine that is currently not actually serving any clients. > We're "between houses" right now and our rental doesn't have any > internet access so right now this isn't an issue. My plan for our new > houses is to set up a small K12LTSP server with three clients. I've > got a Smoothwall and DansGuardian box set up and that seems to work > pretty well for what it is but as far as I know, it won't help me here > (and obviously it isn't doing *anything* right now). > > My daughter is starting to ask if she can use instant messaging with > her friends. So far we've been able to just say no and we may do that > for a while but sooner or later, she's going to get herself an account > and start IMing. I figure I'm better off if I can be the one setting > things up. I guess what I'm looking for is something that will let me > > I have a similar setup. I use LTSP on a Debian box, to serve out 3 clients, and an IPCop box as my firewall/DHCP server. The "server" is my computer, and the clients are used by my family (including one 7 year old daughter). So although I am not at the same spot (no IMing yet) I have been looking into things "to be ready" > a) limit connections to a list of IM accounts that I can monitor You might be able to limit the time spent, (with Smoothwall, or IPCop) but I do not know of any way to limit connection to a specific account. > b) keep a log of all messaging If you can get her to use GAIM, GAIM can log all messages. Then make sure those logs are "safe" (either she can not edit them, or you make a regular back-up of them). If she is using the clients, then you can set up GAIM the way you want, then change the config file so that only root (or only you) can edit it. > c) anything else I haven't thought of but should do > I would definitely have a long talk about safe and not safe internet. And let her know that she will not get into ANY trouble if she brings an issue to you. (but in turn, will be in a lot of trouble if you find out about something). The nice thing about LTSP/Linux set up is with you having access to the firewall/server - there is about nothing that goes through the network that you will not know about. Let her know that :) > Any suggestions are welcome. Feel free to send a private email with any of your solutions/results. Would love to know for later. > > -- > Henry -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From roy at mpk.com Thu Apr 13 00:47:27 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:47:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443D7759.3030109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing and the gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have to set that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always worked before. Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details Angus Carr wrote: > Hi, all, and particularly Eric. > > I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should share... > > 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a > problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is > 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a > problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf > (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right now ;-) > 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that > didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I > might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind > another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default 192.168.0.254. > 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered > list should have more than two bullets. Good to hear. > 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do > about that, but there is usually some response on the list... I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: XSERVER = vesa > Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as > much as anyone else on the list. > > Angus Carr. > -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Thu Apr 13 01:54:22 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:54:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> Roy, My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, so he may not have that fix yet. I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your client. Let us know if that takes care of the problem. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Roy wrote: > I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing and the > gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have to set > that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always > worked before. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details > > Angus Carr wrote: > >> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >> >> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >> > share... > >> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >> > > Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right > now ;-) > > >> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I >> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind >> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >> > > Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default > 192.168.0.254. > > >> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >> list should have more than two bullets. >> > > Good to hear. > > >> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >> > > I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but > the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: > > XSERVER = vesa > > >> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as >> much as anyone else on the list. >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: devfs.rules URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: compat.rules URL: From tfrichtel at socal.rr.com Thu Apr 13 04:06:29 2006 From: tfrichtel at socal.rr.com (Tim Frichtel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:06:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IP based PA system? In-Reply-To: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412140532.M6436@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <443DCE45.10103@socal.rr.com> How about using a basic Asterisk setup, then putting softphones on the classroom machines, each configured to auto-answer? That has the downside of assuming the clients are always on, working properly and the softphone is up. Depending on your budget, you might go with something basic like a Budgettone phone, then hack it a bit to run its speaker wire to a small amplified speaker. We've done that for several months for central paging from Asterisk. Tim Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I am forced to do some fairly creative thinking here. In an effort to save >some money the main school I work for is moving the Jr. high into our Sr. high >campus. We will now have Jr. high classrooms among Sr. high classrooms. Now >the fun part. The sr high runs a 7 period day, the jr high an 8 period day. >And to even get more fun, they both want separate announcements throughout the >day. > >So one of my many thoughts here is to build some sort of IP based system for >announcements. Does anyone know of a way to say take voice from a microphone >hooked to one computer and broadcast it to any computer withing IP range >x.x.x.1-.100? Or on the other hand broadcast audio events from one central >computer out to a range of others? > >Thinking that all classroom machines already have external amplifiers and >speakers hooked up to them, and I already will know the schedule of what >classes will be in each room for the day. Can I script the IP's of machines >to change to fall into range a or b at certain periods of the day to accept >these broadcast events and play them locally on the speakers. > >I know, I am really grasping at straws here :-) This whole setup is crazy. >But nobody will listen to me when I say dual schedules and mixed rooms is a >nightmare. > > > From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 13 04:13:59 2006 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (Kevin Haugh) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:13:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE Message-ID: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> I've got a couple of newbie questions that I'm hoping some of you folks can help me answer... Preface: This is meant to be a quick test installation with a single server functioning as both the LTSP server AND the home folder file server. I want to use older Dell as the thin client. 1) Installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a server without issue. Both NICs are configured correctly with eth1 getting an IP address from our campus-wide dhcp server and eth0 plugged into a hub; 2) Set the bios in the Dell client to boot first from the NIC and plugged it into the hub; 3) Client begins the PXE boot process and DOES receive an IP address from the LTSP server. I confirmed what I saw on the screen by using the "tail" command suggested in the docs. 4) Boot sequence stops indicating that there was trouble mounting the NFS share; 5) Went back to the web documentation and did the following... a) Added "/home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw)" (without the quotes of course) to /etc/export b) Made sure that /home is an empty directory on the LTSP server. c)Added the following line to /etc/fstab: server:/home/ /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 d)Checked to make sure that there was entry in /etc/hosts indicating that 192.168.0.0 was called "server." 6) Rebooted the client and received the same error. 7) Pulled up the NFS service to make sure it was running. And it seems to running correctly. Clearly I'm missing something or have done something incorrectly. Do I need to configure anything differently because I want the LTSP server to also be the home folder file server? Is there something more that I need to do with the client? Thanks in advance for any help!! -Kevin Redlands High School Redlands, CA From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 13 05:42:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Roy, > > My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev rules that > didn't properly create the device node that the i810 driver requires. Scott > has fixed the rules, and we've got an updated LTSP package for that. I think > this was fixed last friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of > the LTSP sources, so he may not have that fix yet. I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to test them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. -Eric > I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. > > Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your client. > > Let us know if that takes care of the problem. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Roy wrote: >> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing and the >> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have to set >> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always >> worked before. >> >> Roy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >> Of Eric Harrison >> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >> >> Angus Carr wrote: >> >>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>> >>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>> >> share... >> >>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>> >> >> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right >> now ;-) >> >> >>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I >>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind >>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>> >> >> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >> 192.168.0.254. >> >> >>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >>> list should have more than two bullets. >>> >> >> Good to hear. >> >> >>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>> >> >> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but >> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >> >> XSERVER = vesa >> >> >>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as >>> much as anyone else on the list. >>> >>> Angus Carr. >>> >>> >> >> >> -Eric From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 05:53:10 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:53:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Education Initiative Launch In-Reply-To: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> References: <443ADC13.1010806@redhat.com> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, Warren Togami wrote: > I met David Trask and Matt Oquist at LinuxWorld Boston last week and we > had a great discussion with a few other Red Hat folks about the current > successes of K12LTSP and ways to improve the software and community > around it. This is significant because this is the first time we got > other Red Hat people aware of and excited about the K12LTSP project, > which today exposes Fedora to hundreds of schools and countless > thousands of students worldwide. > > We came up with some objectives and action items from this meeting to > further the goals of both K12LTSP and the Fedora Project. I believe > that we have a huge opportunity here to work closer together and better > the software for the education community. > > Goals for us on this list are mainly development and administration of > Fedora related education initiatives. I envision keeping k12osn as > mostly educator end-user support for now, and we can later reorganize > the community infrastructure around K12LTSP when we have a clearer > picture of what it becomes. Excellent news! However, IMO one of the main issues holding back large scale deployment of K12LTSP in some school districts is that upper management administrators are not comfortable with the support system (lists, OSS communities, etc) and lack the necessary support internally as most tech staff are more MS centric. Two things are needed. One is that official PAID support be available from a reputable company like Redhat as a safety net. Two that Redhat offer a crash training program (or video/book) to bring MS trained techs up to speed to support a turnkey K12LTSP solution. Some districts would not blink at paying the full price of RHEL if the support was there. In fact, I think they would prefer it. Sometimes *FREE* scares people if they don't really understand FOSS. -- Robert Arkiletian http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Apr 13 11:54:32 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:54:32 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta->Final In-Reply-To: References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060413145432.ibgw371xk2pkwwos@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi, I would like to know, if it will be possible to "yum update" from beta to final, when the final is ready. mikkoj P.S. Another thing, for some reason, my PCMCIA-clients (with wireless_ltsp) are not able to boot after I installed 4.4.1. I have not done any research, only remember, that "doing pivot root" takes long time and nfs has problems. Certaionly it's possible that ther is something else wrong, physical network etc. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Apr 13 12:01:46 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:01:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> References: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> Message-ID: <443E3DAA.2090402@McQuil.com> Kevin, If your home directories are on your LTSP server, there is NOTHING that you need to do, to configure that. That's the default case. Also, the thin clients don't mount the /home directory. When you log into a thin client, you are actually logging into the server. Your session is running ON the server, NOT on the thin client. The client is merely providing your connection to the server. It's an extension of the server. Giving you a keyboard, mouse and display that are interacting with the server. Dunno how many other ways I can say that. So, when you log into the server, via a thin client, your home directory is right where it needs to be. As for the problems you were having with booting the thin client, that's a whole different issue, having nothing to do with adding or removing /home from /etc/exports. For us to help figure out why the client was stopping, we'd need more information, like details about the error you were getting. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Kevin Haugh wrote: > I've got a couple of newbie questions that I'm hoping some of you folks > can help me answer... > > Preface: > This is meant to be a quick test installation with a single server > functioning as both the LTSP server AND the home folder file server. I > want to use older Dell as the thin client. > > 1) Installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a server without issue. Both NICs are > configured correctly with eth1 getting an IP address from our > campus-wide dhcp server and eth0 plugged into a hub; > > 2) Set the bios in the Dell client to boot first from the NIC and > plugged it into the hub; > > 3) Client begins the PXE boot process and DOES receive an IP address > from the LTSP server. I confirmed what I saw on the screen by using the > "tail" command suggested in the docs. > > 4) Boot sequence stops indicating that there was trouble mounting the > NFS share; > > 5) Went back to the web documentation and did the following... > a) Added "/home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw)" (without the quotes of > course) to /etc/export > > b) Made sure that /home is an empty directory on the LTSP server. > c)Added the following line to /etc/fstab: > server:/home/ /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > d)Checked to make sure that there was entry in /etc/hosts indicating > that 192.168.0.0 was called "server." > > 6) Rebooted the client and received the same error. > 7) Pulled up the NFS service to make sure it was running. And it seems > to running correctly. > > Clearly I'm missing something or have done something incorrectly. Do I > need to configure anything differently because I want the LTSP server to > also be the home folder file server? Is there something more that I > need to do with the client? > > Thanks in advance for any help!! > > -Kevin > Redlands High School > Redlands, CA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Apr 13 12:12:40 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:12:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta->Final In-Reply-To: <20060413145432.ibgw371xk2pkwwos@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <20060413145432.ibgw371xk2pkwwos@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <443E4038.1090203@McQuil.com> Mikko Jordman wrote: > Hi, > I would like to know, if it will be possible to "yum update" from beta > to final, > when the final is ready. > > mikkoj > > P.S. Another thing, for some reason, my PCMCIA-clients (with > wireless_ltsp) are > not able to boot after I installed 4.4.1. I have not done any > research, only > remember, that "doing pivot root" takes long time and nfs has problems. > Certaionly it's possible that ther is something else wrong, physical > network > etc. The wireless-ltsp package was based on LTSP-3. That old version of LTSP doesn't have the required things that LTSP-4.2 needs. LTSP-4.2 requires the following: A recent 2.6 kernel (at least 2.6.13 I think) udev (older kernels had devfs, which is way different) initramfs (older kernels had initrd) So, the wireless-ltsp package isn't going to work at all with LTSP-4.2, but you could install an older version of LTSP on your server, along side ltsp-4.2. Just make sure you install it to a different directory. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roy at mpk.com Thu Apr 13 12:16:53 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:16:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <200604131231.k3DCVQHX020841@mx3.redhat.com> Jim, I added the 2 files. I noticed that they were dated 1969. It still fails. If I use the "XSERVER = vesa" the video comes up as before and I get the scrolling video mess. If I go back to "XSERVER = auto" then I'm back with the original error: Scanning for video card FATAL: Module agpgart not found I tried vesa again with different H & V frequencies but still no luck. Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details Roy, My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, so he may not have that fix yet. I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your client. Let us know if that takes care of the problem. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Roy wrote: > I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing and the > gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have to set > that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always > worked before. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details > > Angus Carr wrote: > >> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >> >> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >> > share... > >> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >> > > Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right > now ;-) > > >> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, I >> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN behind >> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >> > > Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default > 192.168.0.254. > > >> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >> list should have more than two bullets. >> > > Good to hear. > > >> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >> > > I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but > the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: > > XSERVER = vesa > > >> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it as >> much as anyone else on the list. >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Apr 13 12:09:17 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:09:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Tutorial/K12LTSP Auth Tutorial Message-ID: <200604131246.k3DCkZh6024571@mx3.redhat.com> All, I just uploaded the latest version of my LTSP Tutorail at wiki.ltsp.org under Documentation. This new version fixes errors and left out information. Thanks to Jim Kronebusch and Josh Olstad. LTSP Guide: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/ltspguide.pdf Also, I have uploaded my K12LTSP/Fedora Core Authentication against a Windows Active Directory Server for single sign-on abilities to the wiki.ltsp.org site as well. It can be found in Documentation. K12LTSP/FC Auth Guide: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/k12ltspandadsauthenticatio n.pdf Thanks to all for the support and help! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 13 14:41:36 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:41:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060413143702.M18057@winonacotter.org> > I added the sources to apt and then updated...it's been some time > ago, so off the top of my head, I can't remember what apt-sources I > used, but I got them directly off the KDE website. Well I followd Brad's advice and upgraded to KDE version 3.5.2 and now it boots a client. The ltspcfg utility still picks up XCMCP as not being enable, but when I manually configure it shows as being enabled and running. So I guess it is working now. However, it is dog slow. I mean like a 2 legged dog with one eye. Exact same hardware with the FC2 K12LTSP version was smokin. My term150's booted in about 20 seconds, now boot time is about 2 minutes. Any ideas on where to start? Top shows CPU usage steadily at less than 1%. I did notice that when the X config file is being built a message about limiting ram for X to 97MB. I never noticed that before (Maybe staring at it for 2 minutes makes the unoticed noticable). Anyhow could this be an indication of a problem? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 13 14:13:32 2006 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:13:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE - More info In-Reply-To: <443E3DAA.2090402@McQuil.com> References: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> <443E3DAA.2090402@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies so far. Here are the details of error I get on the client during boot... Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! Possible reasons include: 1) NFS services may not be running on the server 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or in DNS 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Any ideas? I removed the additions I had made to /etc/export and /etc/fstab received the same error. Thanks again for any help! -Kevin From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 13 15:05:01 2006 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (Kevin Haugh) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:05:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DELL Client boot trouble - Newbie Message-ID: For the record I get the exact same message when I attempt to netboot an iMac... just exchange "ppc" for "i386". Trouble seems to be with the server, but where? Here's the error message again... Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! Possible reasons include: 1) NFS services may not be running on the server 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or in DNS 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Thanks! -Kevin --------------- Kevin Haugh, Teacher/Asst. Football Coach Redlands High School kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us http://uti-haugh.rhs.redlands.k12.ca.us From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 13 15:13:22 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:13:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DELL Client boot trouble - Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144941202.29321.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 10:05, Kevin Haugh wrote: > For the record I get the exact same message when I attempt to netboot > an iMac... just exchange "ppc" for "i386". Trouble seems to be with > the server, but where? Here's the error message again... > > Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused What does 'showmount -e' say on the server? Do you have working clients or is this the first attempt? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Apr 13 15:20:59 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:20:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE - More info In-Reply-To: References: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> <443E3DAA.2090402@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <443E6C5B.1090809@msad3.org> Kevin, All the NFS errors I've had thus far dealt with the packet size. The 2.6 kernel creates a larger packet, so if you have a gig nic in the server and a gig switch and a 10/100 client, the nfs times out. This may or may not be the case, but if it is, try Jim's fix; http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS Or you can just swap the gig switch for a 10/100. HTH Mark kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us wrote: > Thanks for the replies so far. Here are the details of error I get on > the client during boot... > > Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused > mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid > argument > > ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! > Possible reasons include: > 1) NFS services may not be running on the server > 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or > in DNS > 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file > 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > Any ideas? > > I removed the additions I had made to /etc/export and /etc/fstab > received the same error. > > Thanks again for any help! > > -Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Apr 13 15:25:50 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:25:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DELL Client boot trouble - Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443E6D7E.5050608@saskforestcentre.ca> Kevin Haugh wrote: > For the record I get the exact same message when I attempt to netboot > an iMac... just exchange "ppc" for "i386". Trouble seems to be with > the server, but where? Here's the error message again... > > Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused > mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid > argument > > ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! > Possible reasons include: > 1) NFS services may not be running on the server > 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or > in DNS > 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file > 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > Thanks! > > -Kevin Could it be your firewall settings? system-config-securitylevel Turn the firewall off and retest. If that's the problem, fuss with it some more. :-) Otherwise, put it back. Also, you could tell us what the contents of /etc/exports is, what the results of ifconfig is (as root), and the contents of lts.conf. While you're at it, you could also post /etc/dhcpd.conf and the k12ltsp copy of the same. If nothing else, you'll get a whole series of exploration of your new system... :-) Angus. From scott at remc1.org Thu Apr 13 15:30:22 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:30:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE - More info In-Reply-To: References: <1144901639.4751.20.camel@linux.haugh.net> <443E3DAA.2090402@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <443E6E8E.90105@remc1.org> kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us wrote: > Thanks for the replies so far. Here are the details of error I get on > the client during boot... > > Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused > mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid > argument > > ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! > Possible reasons include: > 1) NFS services may not be running on the server > 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or > in DNS > 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file > 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > Any ideas? I am kind of jumping into the middle of the conversation so if someone already mentioned it I apologize for the redundancy. On the server after you make changes to /etc/exports you have to run exportfs -a for the new changes to be made. Otherwise it will happily continue using what you had previously. Scott From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Apr 13 14:57:09 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:57:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE - More info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200604131533.k3DFXGfR003228@mx1.redhat.com> Kevin, Open up a terminal and type ltspcfg. Go to the "Show the status of all services" option. Do you have all of the services installed, enabled and running? (XDMCP, DHCPD, TFTPD, PORTMAPPER, NFS) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:14 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE - More info Thanks for the replies so far. Here are the details of error I get on the client during boot... Mounting root filestystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 mount: RPC: unable to receive; errno = Connection refused mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument ERROR! Faild to mount the root directory via NFS! Possible reasons include: 1) NFS services may not be running on the server 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or in DNS 3) Wrong address for NFS server in DHCP config file 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Any ideas? I removed the additions I had made to /etc/export and /etc/fstab received the same error. Thanks again for any help! -Kevin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Apr 13 16:42:26 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE Message-ID: <1144946546.4415.11.camel@server1.cisna> Hello Kevin, I had a very similar problem, trying to boot certain dell's with onboard nics. Even though they are PXE compliant, LTSP server seems to have probs with some of these onboard nics. DO this to rule out a couple things. Find you any old( could even be a pentium box) to use as a thin client that has a working floppy drive. Slap a 3com or intel nic in it. Build the universal boot floppy that is located in the /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms directory. This will narrow down for sure that it is actually a server config prob. The Dells i had that acted like this WOULD get an ip address then would choke ending up with a kernel panic. If this client does boot then you know it is the dell client that is making you scratch your head:).Im guessing the MAC you are trying to boot is just not booting correctly as well especially if you don't enter: boot enet:serveripaddress, yaboot from the openfirmware commandline. ( Notice the "yaboot", after server ip address.) Hope this helps you on your way to happy K12LTSP ing. Take Care, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 13 17:32:25 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:32:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <1144946546.4415.11.camel@server1.cisna> References: <1144946546.4415.11.camel@server1.cisna> Message-ID: <1144949544.29321.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:42, Barry R Cisna wrote: > I had a very similar problem, trying to boot certain dell's with onboard > nics. Even though they are PXE compliant, LTSP server seems to have > probs with some of these onboard nics. The older Dells generally need a flash BIOS update to work right with PXE - but I'm not sure they get far enough to try the NFS mount if that is the problem. Dell is very good about making the updates available for old equipment. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 13 18:03:45 2006 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:03:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client Boot trouble - Progress!!? Message-ID: I had checked to make sure NFS was running with ltspcfg at the command line and using Service Configuration in the gui and BOTH indicated that NFS was enabled and running. However... It wasn't until showmount -e revealed that NFS was NOT running that I was able to make some progress. I started NFS at the command line with /etc/init.d/nfs start and attempted to boot the client. This time I got a TFTP timeout error. I made the changes recommended at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS and still got the same error. I then disabled the firewall completely and attempted to boot. This time... SUCCESS! I have much more to learn, but THANKS for those that replied with some help! -Kevin From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Apr 13 18:06:33 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:06:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.0b2 yum error Message-ID: <1144951594.12953.19.camel@localhost> Forgive me for not threading, I've just installed 5.0.0b2 and figured out a work around for this problem: In /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-core.repo Change enabled=1 to enabled=0 It looks like yum is using the field from the Fedora Core package repository with the URL from K12LTSP and therefore the i386 entry goes away. I've filed a bug here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 This might also be fixable with another run of createrepo (is the createrepo used on K12 older than the current FC5? The primary.xml file appears to be out of sync with the DTD so that might be the case.) Note: that the problem does not occur with all packages. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 13 18:31:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:31:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.0b2 yum error In-Reply-To: <1144951594.12953.19.camel@localhost> References: <1144951594.12953.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <443E98FE.4020004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Forgive me for not threading, I've just installed 5.0.0b2 and figured > out a work around for this problem: > In /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-core.repo > Change enabled=1 to enabled=0 > > It looks like yum is using the field from the Fedora Core > package repository with the URL from K12LTSP and therefore the i386 > entry goes away. > > I've filed a bug here: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 > > This might also be fixable with another run of createrepo (is the > createrepo used on K12 older than the current FC5? The primary.xml file > appears to be out of sync with the DTD so that might be the case.) The repos are on a CentOS 4.3 x86_64 server, so the version of createrepo is indeed older than the one shipped with FC5. I copied the FC5 version of createrepo over and am rebuilding the repository right now. Should be ready in 5-10minutes. -Eric > Note: that the problem does not occur with all packages. I encountered > it with yum install switchdesk > > -Toshio > > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Apr 13 22:53:17 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:53:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to text mode, reporting X has failed. XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from the default background. Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> Roy, >> >> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev rules >> that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 driver >> requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an updated LTSP >> package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, and I don't >> know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, so he may not >> have that fix yet. > > I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to test > them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the > new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. > > The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. > > -Eric > >> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >> >> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your >> client. >> >> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Roy wrote: >>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing >>> and the >>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have >>> to set >>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always >>> worked before. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Eric Harrison >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>> >>> Angus Carr wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>> >>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>> >>> share... >>> >>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>> >>> >>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on >>> right >>> now ;-) >>> >>> >>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One >>>> day, I >>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN >>>> behind >>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>> >>> >>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>> 192.168.0.254. >>> >>> >>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>> >>> >>> Good to hear. >>> >>> >>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>> >>> >>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, >>> but >>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>> >>> XSERVER = vesa >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate >>>> it as >>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>> >>>> Angus Carr. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Apr 13 22:57:18 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:57:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> Angus, Can you try: XSERVER = i810 I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist file for some of the i810 chipsets. I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Angus Carr wrote: > I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. > > XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to text > mode, reporting X has failed. > XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from > the default background. > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> Roy, >>> >>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, >>> and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, >>> so he may not have that fix yet. >> >> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to >> test >> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the >> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >> >> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >> >> -Eric >> >>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>> >>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your >>> client. >>> >>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Roy wrote: >>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>> thing and the >>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have >>>> to set >>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>> always >>>> worked before. >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>> >>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>> >>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>> >>>> share... >>>> >>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on >>>> right >>>> now ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One >>>>> day, I >>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN >>>>> behind >>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good to hear. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>> >>>> >>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>> Untested, but >>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>> >>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate >>>>> it as >>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>> >>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roy at mpk.com Thu Apr 13 23:19:32 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <200604132318.k3DNIc73015260@mx3.redhat.com> I tried " XSERVER = i810" and no luck. You hear it try to switch over to gui but it fails. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:57 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details Angus, Can you try: XSERVER = i810 I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist file for some of the i810 chipsets. I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Angus Carr wrote: > I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. > > XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to text > mode, reporting X has failed. > XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from > the default background. > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> Roy, >>> >>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, >>> and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, >>> so he may not have that fix yet. >> >> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to >> test >> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the >> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >> >> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >> >> -Eric >> >>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>> >>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your >>> client. >>> >>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Roy wrote: >>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>> thing and the >>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have >>>> to set >>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>> always >>>> worked before. >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>> >>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>> >>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>> >>>> share... >>>> >>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on >>>> right >>>> now ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One >>>>> day, I >>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN >>>>> behind >>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good to hear. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>> >>>> >>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>> Untested, but >>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>> >>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate >>>>> it as >>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>> >>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Apr 13 23:34:38 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:34:38 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring IM In-Reply-To: <20060413123204.48FBE73159@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060413123204.48FBE73159@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1144971279.5029.13.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Henry, I've been using IPCop to limit internet access for my step daughter. When the ADVPROXY and URLFILTER add-ons are installed you can have a lot of control over WHAT programs access the internet, as well as what times individuals have access. Here are the URL's for IPCop and those add-ons. IPCop - http://www.ipcop.org/ which is a fork of Smoothwall URL Filter - http://www.urlfilter.net/ ADV Proxy - http://www.advproxy.net/ ADVProxy has a facility to log unknown apps then let you to add them to the block list. URL Filter is squidguard filtering with extras. Look on the IPCop website for other links, there are plenty of useful add-ons for IPCop. My Cop box is a P75 (overclocked to 100 Mhz) with 32MB ram and 1.2GB of HDD. It handles up to 4 computers on ADSL without grumbling. Performance would improve if I had 64+ MB RAM. Cheers, Bert > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:50:46 -0400 > From: "Henry Hartley" > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring IM > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D885 at MAILBE2.westat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > This is sort of off topic but possibly not completely. I have a K12LTSP > machine that is currently not actually serving any clients. We're > "between houses" right now and our rental doesn't have any internet > access so right now this isn't an issue. My plan for our new houses is > to set up a small K12LTSP server with three clients. I've got a > Smoothwall and DansGuardian box set up and that seems to work pretty > well for what it is but as far as I know, it won't help me here (and > obviously it isn't doing *anything* right now). > > My daughter is starting to ask if she can use instant messaging with her > friends. So far we've been able to just say no and we may do that for a > while but sooner or later, she's going to get herself an account and > start IMing. I figure I'm better off if I can be the one setting things > up. I guess what I'm looking for is something that will let me > > a) limit connections to a list of IM accounts that I can monitor > b) keep a log of all messaging > c) anything else I haven't thought of but should do > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > -- > Henry > > From yorick at xtra.co.nz Fri Apr 14 00:52:01 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:52:01 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <1144949544.29321.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1144946546.4415.11.camel@server1.cisna> <1144949544.29321.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <443EF231.4060305@xtra.co.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:42, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > > >>I had a very similar problem, trying to boot certain dell's with onboard >>nics. Even though they are PXE compliant, LTSP server seems to have >>probs with some of these onboard nics. >> >> > >The older Dells generally need a flash BIOS update to work right >with PXE - but I'm not sure they get far enough to try the >NFS mount if that is the problem. Dell is very good about making >the updates available for old equipment. > > > I had the exact same problem with some old PII Compaqs with onboard NICs. From research the problem is with the old Intel PXE boot agent. vers 0.99 if memory serves. A bios update cured the problem. The only annoyance is you need a windows box to create the floppy to flash the bios.. although that was with Compaq, with Dell YMMV. Cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Member: OpenDocument Fellowship www.opendocumentfellowship.org From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 14 00:58:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:58:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dueling livna yum repos Message-ID: <443EF3A7.9090300@maltzen.net> I was trying to add the livna repo at rpm.livna.org (so I could get xmms-mp3) on K12LTSP v5 beta2. But then I discovered there already is a livna.repo in /etc/yum.repos/. It points to livna.cat.pdx.edu. Does this have packages that are not in the rpm.livna.org repos? It didn't have xmms-mp3; I just pulled it down by hand, so no big deal. But I wonder what else isn't available at livna.cat.pdx.edu. Petre From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Apr 14 01:08:51 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:08:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: <20060413143702.M18057@winonacotter.org> References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> <20060413143702.M18057@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Sounds like a DNS/name resolution issue?? On Apr 13, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I added the sources to apt and then updated...it's been some time >> ago, so off the top of my head, I can't remember what apt-sources I >> used, but I got them directly off the KDE website. > > Well I followd Brad's advice and upgraded to KDE version 3.5.2 and > now it > boots a client. The ltspcfg utility still picks up XCMCP as not > being enable, > but when I manually configure it shows as being enabled and > running. So I > guess it is working now. > > However, it is dog slow. I mean like a 2 legged dog with one eye. > Exact same > hardware with the FC2 K12LTSP version was smokin. My term150's > booted in > about 20 seconds, now boot time is about 2 minutes. Any ideas on > where to > start? Top shows CPU usage steadily at less than 1%. I did notice > that when > the X config file is being built a message about limiting ram for X > to 97MB. > I never noticed that before (Maybe staring at it for 2 minutes > makes the > unoticed noticable). Anyhow could this be an indication of a problem? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 14 01:11:00 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:11:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dueling livna yum repos In-Reply-To: <443EF3A7.9090300@maltzen.net> References: <443EF3A7.9090300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <443EF6A4.3070809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I was trying to add the livna repo at rpm.livna.org (so I could get > xmms-mp3) on K12LTSP v5 beta2. But then I discovered there already is a > livna.repo in /etc/yum.repos/. It points to livna.cat.pdx.edu. Does > this have packages that are not in the rpm.livna.org repos? It didn't > have xmms-mp3; I just pulled it down by hand, so no big deal. But I > wonder what else isn't available at livna.cat.pdx.edu. > > Petre > I see the FC5 xmms-mp3 package on the livna.cat.pdx.edu mirror: http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/5/i386/xmms-mp3-1.2.10-3.lvn5.i386.rpm But I also see that the baseurl is wrong... when I get the chance I'll update /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo to contain the same config as the one livna suggests: [livna] name=Livna for Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/ http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/ http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/livna/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/ http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/ failovermethod=priority -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 14 01:21:05 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I'll show you mine...if you show me yours! ;-) Message-ID: I thought this might be fun. One thing I noticed last week at Linux World was the number of "well personalized" laptops...including my own. Admit it...we have a tendency to form a sort of relationship with our laptops and when they have to be shipped off for repair or whatever....it hurts a little. I was fascinated by the different laptops to the point where I came up with an idea! I just started a new blog and on that blog is an opportunity for all of us to show off our "companions". Show us all what your laptop looks like no matter how worn, ugly, gawdy, plain, fashionable, sleek...or whatever it may be! Show off your friend! Visit my blog here and show me yours! http://toejamplanet.blogspot.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 14 02:11:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:11:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <443F04E9.4070205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 has been uploaded & the repositories updated. There are a number of fixes. Off the top of my head: * A new service was added that allows LTSPFS to work by default (i.e. users don't have to be in the "fuse" group), but at the cost of decreased security. This can be turned off with: /sbin/chkconfig ltspfs-insecure off /sbin/service ltspfs-insecure stop * /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf is updated correctly if you change the default network from 192.168.0.0/24 to something else * named will start once again * A couple of packages were changed around to accommodate new packages being added to Fedora Extras: ltsp_config was replaced with ltsp-config , ltsp_ltspswapd, and ltsp_ltspfs. * gCompris updated to the new 7.4 version No fix yet for i810-based terminals. I'm going to be off-line for the next 2-5 days, so hopefully there are no brown-bag bugs ;-) -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 14 02:23:22 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:23:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I'll show you mine...if you show me yours! ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060413222322.r605epufs4wk0ow0@neatmail.unh.edu> Dave, And we all wonder why computer people are considered nerds?...... ;) -Paul Quoting David Trask : > I thought this might be fun. One thing I noticed last week at Linux World > was the number of "well personalized" laptops...including my own. Admit > it...we have a tendency to form a sort of relationship with our laptops > and when they have to be shipped off for repair or whatever....it hurts a > little. I was fascinated by the different laptops to the point where I > came up with an idea! I just started a new blog and on that blog is an > opportunity for all of us to show off our "companions". Show us all what > your laptop looks like no matter how worn, ugly, gawdy, plain, > fashionable, sleek...or whatever it may be! Show off your friend! Visit > my blog here and show me yours! > > http://toejamplanet.blogspot.com/ > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhbarr at gozelle.com Fri Apr 14 03:02:06 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:02:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I'll show you mine...if you show me yours! ;-) In-Reply-To: <20060413222322.r605epufs4wk0ow0@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <20060413222322.r605epufs4wk0ow0@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: Because many of us will think "Hey, that's a great idea!" On 4/13/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Dave, > > And we all wonder why computer people are considered nerds?...... ;) > > -Paul > > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > I thought this might be fun. One thing I noticed last week at Linux World > > was the number of "well personalized" laptops...including my own. Admit > > it...we have a tendency to form a sort of relationship with our laptops > > and when they have to be shipped off for repair or whatever....it hurts a > > little. I was fascinated by the different laptops to the point where I > > came up with an idea! I just started a new blog and on that blog is an > > opportunity for all of us to show off our "companions". Show us all what > > your laptop looks like no matter how worn, ugly, gawdy, plain, > > fashionable, sleek...or whatever it may be! Show off your friend! Visit > > my blog here and show me yours! > > > > http://toejamplanet.blogspot.com/ > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 14 07:25:02 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <443F04E9.4070205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443F04E9.4070205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 has been uploaded & the repositories updated. I guess it would help if I included the links... Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . The fix for the livna repository is in the repository now as well. > There are a number of fixes. Off the top of my head: > > * A new service was added that allows LTSPFS to work by default (i.e. > users don't have to be in the "fuse" group), but at the cost of > decreased security. This can be turned off with: > > /sbin/chkconfig ltspfs-insecure off > /sbin/service ltspfs-insecure stop > > * /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf is updated correctly if you change the default > network from 192.168.0.0/24 to something else > > * named will start once again > > * A couple of packages were changed around to accommodate new packages > being added to Fedora Extras: ltsp_config was replaced with ltsp-config > , ltsp_ltspswapd, and ltsp_ltspfs. > > * gCompris updated to the new 7.4 version > > > No fix yet for i810-based terminals. > > > I'm going to be off-line for the next 2-5 days, so hopefully there are > no brown-bag bugs ;-) My DSL was fixed tonight, now I can work from home once again! But I'll still be gone for a long weekend ;-) -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Apr 14 13:08:52 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:08:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <20060414060852.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e7bb0e7a21.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Will a yum update go from B2 to B3? Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Fri, April 14, 2006 2:25 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 has been uploaded & the repositories updated. > > I guess it would help if I included the links... > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > The fix for the livna repository is in the repository now as well. > > > There are a number of fixes. Off the top of my head: > > > > * A new service was added that allows LTSPFS to work by default (i.e. > > users don't have to be in the "fuse" group), but at the cost of > > decreased security. This can be turned off with: > > > > /sbin/chkconfig ltspfs-insecure off > > /sbin/service ltspfs-insecure stop > > > > * /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf is updated correctly if you change the default > > network from 192.168.0.0/24 to something else > > > > * named will start once again > > > > * A couple of packages were changed around to accommodate new packages > > being added to Fedora Extras: ltsp_config was replaced with ltsp-config > > , ltsp_ltspswapd, and ltsp_ltspfs. > > > > * gCompris updated to the new 7.4 version > > > > > > No fix yet for i810-based terminals. > > > > > > I'm going to be off-line for the next 2-5 days, so hopefully there are > > no brown-bag bugs ;-) > > My DSL was fixed tonight, now I can work from home once again! > But I'll still be gone for a long weekend ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 14 14:59:34 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <20060414060852.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e7bb0e7a21.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060414060852.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e7bb0e7a21.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Will a yum update go from B2 to B3? Yes. -Eric >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 >> From: Eric Harrison >> Date: Fri, April 14, 2006 2:25 am >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> >>> K12LTSP 5.0 beta #3 has been uploaded & the repositories updated. >> >> I guess it would help if I included the links... >> >> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> >> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >> >> >> The fix for the livna repository is in the repository now as well. >> >>> There are a number of fixes. Off the top of my head: >>> >>> * A new service was added that allows LTSPFS to work by default (i.e. >>> users don't have to be in the "fuse" group), but at the cost of >>> decreased security. This can be turned off with: >>> >>> /sbin/chkconfig ltspfs-insecure off >>> /sbin/service ltspfs-insecure stop >>> >>> * /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf is updated correctly if you change the default >>> network from 192.168.0.0/24 to something else >>> >>> * named will start once again >>> >>> * A couple of packages were changed around to accommodate new packages >>> being added to Fedora Extras: ltsp_config was replaced with ltsp-config >>> , ltsp_ltspswapd, and ltsp_ltspfs. >>> >>> * gCompris updated to the new 7.4 version >>> >>> >>> No fix yet for i810-based terminals. >>> >>> >>> I'm going to be off-line for the next 2-5 days, so hopefully there are >>> no brown-bag bugs ;-) >> >> My DSL was fixed tonight, now I can work from home once again! >> But I'll still be gone for a long weekend ;-) >> >> -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 14 18:22:33 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:22:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I'll show you mine...if you show me yours! ;-) In-Reply-To: References: < > <20060413222322.r605epufs4wk0ow0@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 11:02 PM +0000 wrote: >Because many of us will think "Hey, that's a great idea!" Exactly! Geek used to be a derogatory term, but now it's a badge of honor. After all, "the geek shall inherit the earth". In the past many who were geeks were simply the pocket protector types....now geeks come in all shapes and sizes and many lead double lives (like me). So....c'mon....show us your laptops! :-) http://toejamplanet.blogspot.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From accessys at smart.net Sat Apr 15 03:14:23 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I'll show you mine...if you show me yours! ;-) In-Reply-To: References: <20060413222322.r605epufs4wk0ow0@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > Because many of us will think "Hey, that's a great idea!" well on my IBM thinkpad it is not visible but a very great idea, the keyboard is Dvorak... Bob > > On 4/13/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Dave, > > > > And we all wonder why computer people are considered nerds?...... ;) > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > > > I thought this might be fun. One thing I noticed last week at Linux World > > > was the number of "well personalized" laptops...including my own. Admit > > > it...we have a tendency to form a sort of relationship with our laptops > > > and when they have to be shipped off for repair or whatever....it hurts a > > > little. I was fascinated by the different laptops to the point where I > > > came up with an idea! I just started a new blog and on that blog is an > > > opportunity for all of us to show off our "companions". Show us all what > > > your laptop looks like no matter how worn, ugly, gawdy, plain, > > > fashionable, sleek...or whatever it may be! Show off your friend! Visit > > > my blog here and show me yours! > > > > > > http://toejamplanet.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > David N. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 15 16:40:31 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:40:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> <20060413143702.M18057@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060415163625.M97918@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:08:51 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote > Sounds like a DNS/name resolution issue?? Any suggestions along this line? I just changed the dhcpd.conf to use the LTSP server for dns and not my ISP's. Doesn't seem to have made a difference. The machine is named simply "ltsp" and is listed in /etc/hosts. Bootup isn't the only slow part. After it is booted everything is slow, even typing. Maybe I'll just give up on Kubuntu and go back and try out the Beta5 version. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Apr 15 21:50:44 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:50:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kubuntu LTSP 4.2 XDMCP Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060412130047.M53118@winonacotter.org> <50259.68.250.145.129.1144848885.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412133611.M44370@winonacotter.org> <45197.68.250.145.129.1144850333.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060412140340.M73849@winonacotter.org> <20060412200000.M26087@winonacotter.org> <20060413143702.M18057@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <34156494-EED5-4648-9AFC-78E302BC2D0A@mindfirestudios.com> Does it work using GDM or XDM instead of KDM? Is the error KDE specific or do XFCE or ICEWM/GDM have this problem too? > On Apr 13, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Well I followd Brad's advice and upgraded to KDE version 3.5.2 and >> now it >> boots a client. The ltspcfg utility still picks up XCMCP as not >> being enable, >> but when I manually configure it shows as being enabled and >> running. So I >> guess it is working now. >> >> However, it is dog slow. I mean like a 2 legged dog with one >> eye. Exact same >> hardware with the FC2 K12LTSP version was smokin. My term150's >> booted in >> about 20 seconds, now boot time is about 2 minutes. Any ideas on >> where to >> start? Top shows CPU usage steadily at less than 1%. I did >> notice that when >> the X config file is being built a message about limiting ram for >> X to 97MB. >> I never noticed that before (Maybe staring at it for 2 minutes >> makes the >> unoticed noticable). Anyhow could this be an indication of a >> problem? >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Mon Apr 17 14:19:39 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:19:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 Message-ID: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> The following updates are now available: o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for Kubuntu-breezy. - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. o vidlist - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of i810 chipsets. - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of nvidia chipsets. o startx - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 - Added sis7019 audio driver. - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems for Xorg. - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 workstations. If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first install the newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en Ciao, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From william at fragakis.com Mon Apr 17 14:46:22 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:46:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <20060414160023.20ADA7345A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060414160023.20ADA7345A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1145285182.11858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Older Dells (at least the infamous GX1s) can be cured the same way we also cured older Compaqs with mods to the /etc/xinetd.d/tftp and /etc/sysctl.conf files. NICs running PXE versions 0.99b and older seem to have the issue. You could reflash the BIOS or just do the file mods. see http://morrisbrandon.com/index.php?name=BeeBoard&tid=2&pathext=Server% 20Files/ for the modded files regards, William On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:32:25 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Dell Client boot trouble - NEWBIE > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1144949544.29321.53.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:42, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > > I had a very similar problem, trying to boot certain dell's with > onboard > > nics. Even though they are PXE compliant, LTSP server seems to have > > probs with some of these onboard nics. > > The older Dells generally need a flash BIOS update to work right > with PXE - but I'm not sure they get far enough to try the > NFS mount if that is the problem. Dell is very good about making > the updates available for old equipment. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Apr 17 17:12:09 2006 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:12:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] removing shutdown and reboot from menus In-Reply-To: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <443BC75D.8050405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1145293929.30030.19.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 08:12 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have seen this posted several times but . . . > > > > How can I remove the "Shutdown" and "Reboot" choices from the login screen > > and also from the start menus of all clients and all desktops on an LTSP > > server? > Depends on if you are using GDM or KDM. GDM (the default), edit How would I make shutdown/reboot affect the local terminal? I'd like users to be able to shutdown (if running atx-boards) or reboot their terminals if requiered? In a couple of places the pcs are hidden away from users. An PIR-sensor turns on the light for 45 minuts, and computer for 60 minuts, and every detection of movement keeps the light and computer on, but if people leaves, they cannot shutdown - and some people haven't realized that reboots are only for kernel-upgrades ;-) -- Henning Wangerin From roy at mpk.com Mon Apr 17 19:22:23 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:22:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP repository. Has it changed or is it down? Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 The following updates are now available: o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for Kubuntu-breezy. - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. o vidlist - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of i810 chipsets. - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of nvidia chipsets. o startx - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 - Added sis7019 audio driver. - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems for Xorg. - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 workstations. If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first install the newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en Ciao, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 17 20:25:33 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:25:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, http://k12linux.org, etc should be reachable again. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Roy wrote: > I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP > repository. Has it changed or is it down? > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; > Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 > > The following updates are now available: > > o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) > - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for > Kubuntu-breezy. > - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. > - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including > Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. > - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. > > o vidlist > - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of > i810 chipsets. > - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of > nvidia chipsets. > > o startx > - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default > to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do > the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with > i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. > > o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 > - Added sis7019 audio driver. > - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems > for Xorg. > - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 > workstations. > > > If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first > install the > newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 > > Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. > > Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil > later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en > > Ciao, > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 17 21:07:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since I'm only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking boxes ;-) -Eric On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: > We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major > outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, http://k12linux.org, > etc should be reachable again. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > > Roy wrote: >> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP >> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >> >> Roy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >> Of Jim McQuillan >> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >> Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >> >> The following updates are now available: >> >> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >> Kubuntu-breezy. >> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >> >> o vidlist >> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >> i810 chipsets. >> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >> nvidia chipsets. >> >> o startx >> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >> >> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >> for Xorg. >> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >> workstations. >> >> >> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >> install the >> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >> >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >> >> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. >> >> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >> >> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >> >> Ciao, >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 18 00:22:05 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:22:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> Does lts.conf.readme need to be updated? It still has allusions to the old style LOCAL_DEVICE_01 support, instead of the new LOCAL_STORAGE parameter of which there is no mention. Also, I notice there isn't an lts.conf; is that built during installation or is it in another package? Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > > Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before > the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. > > I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home > so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify > that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since I'm > only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking boxes ;-) > > -Eric > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: > >> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major >> outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, http://k12linux.org, >> etc should be reachable again. >> >> -- >> Dan Young >> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> 503-257-1562 >> >> >> Roy wrote: >> >>> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP >>> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jim McQuillan >>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >>> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; >>> ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >>> Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >>> >>> The following updates are now available: >>> >>> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >>> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >>> Kubuntu-breezy. >>> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >>> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >>> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >>> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >>> >>> o vidlist >>> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >>> i810 chipsets. >>> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >>> nvidia chipsets. >>> >>> o startx >>> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >>> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >>> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >>> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >>> >>> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >>> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >>> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >>> for Xorg. >>> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >>> workstations. >>> >>> >>> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >>> install the >>> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >>> >>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >>> >>> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to >>> install. >>> >>> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >>> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >>> >>> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 18 00:26:38 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <53688.63.172.63.153.1145319998.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Petre, Yes, the lts.conf.readme is sadly out of date. The lts.conf file is created by the ltspcfg utility, if you ask it to. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, April 17, 2006 8:22 pm, Petre Scheie wrote: > Does lts.conf.readme need to be updated? It still has allusions to the > old style LOCAL_DEVICE_01 support, instead of the new LOCAL_STORAGE > parameter of which there is no mention. Also, I notice there isn't an > lts.conf; is that built during installation or is it in another package? > > Petre > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before >> the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. >> >> I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home >> so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify >> that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >> >> >> I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since >> I'm >> only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking boxes >> ;-) >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: >> >>> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major >>> outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, >>> http://k12linux.org, >>> etc should be reachable again. >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Young >>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>> 503-257-1562 >>> >>> >>> Roy wrote: >>> >>>> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the >>>> K12LTSP >>>> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Jim McQuillan >>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >>>> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>> ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>> Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >>>> >>>> The following updates are now available: >>>> >>>> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >>>> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >>>> Kubuntu-breezy. >>>> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >>>> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >>>> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >>>> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >>>> >>>> o vidlist >>>> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >>>> i810 chipsets. >>>> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >>>> nvidia chipsets. >>>> >>>> o startx >>>> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >>>> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >>>> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >>>> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >>>> >>>> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >>>> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >>>> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >>>> for Xorg. >>>> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >>>> workstations. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >>>> install the >>>> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >>>> >>>> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to >>>> install. >>>> >>>> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >>>> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >>>> >>>> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 18 01:03:39 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: For K12LTSP, lts.conf is now in the ltsp_i386-config package -Eric On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Does lts.conf.readme need to be updated? It still has allusions to the old > style LOCAL_DEVICE_01 support, instead of the new LOCAL_STORAGE parameter of > which there is no mention. Also, I notice there isn't an lts.conf; is that > built during installation or is it in another package? > > Petre > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before >> the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. >> >> I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home >> so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify >> that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >> >> I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since I'm >> only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking boxes ;-) >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: >> >>> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major >>> outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, http://k12linux.org, >>> etc should be reachable again. >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Young >>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>> 503-257-1562 >>> >>> >>> Roy wrote: >>> >>>> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP >>>> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Jim McQuillan >>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >>>> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>> ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>> Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >>>> >>>> The following updates are now available: >>>> >>>> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >>>> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >>>> Kubuntu-breezy. >>>> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >>>> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >>>> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >>>> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >>>> >>>> o vidlist >>>> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >>>> i810 chipsets. >>>> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >>>> nvidia chipsets. >>>> >>>> o startx >>>> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >>>> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >>>> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >>>> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >>>> >>>> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >>>> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >>>> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >>>> for Xorg. >>>> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >>>> workstations. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >>>> install the >>>> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >>>> >>>> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. >>>> >>>> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >>>> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >>>> >>>> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 18 05:37:13 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before > the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. > > I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home > so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify > that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since I'm > only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking boxes ;-) I had a couple problems compiling 2.6.16.1 (also tried 2.6.16.6 with same error), so I used the new LTSP kernel config to build plain old 2.6.16. I'll bang on 2.6.16.x tomorrow. In the meantime, here is the test package. Same rules apply, this has not been tested - if you are brave enough to try it, let me know if it works ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-boot-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpm -Eric > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: > >> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major >> outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, http://k12linux.org, >> etc should be reachable again. >> >> -- >> Dan Young >> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> 503-257-1562 >> >> >> Roy wrote: >>> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the K12LTSP >>> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jim McQuillan >>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >>> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; >>> ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >>> Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >>> >>> The following updates are now available: >>> >>> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >>> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >>> Kubuntu-breezy. >>> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >>> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >>> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >>> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >>> >>> o vidlist >>> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >>> i810 chipsets. >>> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >>> nvidia chipsets. >>> >>> o startx >>> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >>> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >>> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >>> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >>> >>> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >>> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >>> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >>> for Xorg. >>> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >>> workstations. >>> >>> >>> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >>> install the >>> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >>> >>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >>> >>> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. >>> >>> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >>> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >>> >>> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> From drloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Apr 18 12:11:53 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:11:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GPG-KEY Error Message-ID: <4444D789.4020001@cox-internet.com> I just did a fresh install of K12LTSP-Beta3 on a test server. When I try to update yum I keep getting GPG-KEY errors. It is downloading the correct key, but reports a mismatch. I had to turn off gpg check to get the update to process. Dan From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 18 13:23:49 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:23:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4444E865.3070209@maltzen.net> Eric- Can you explain the thinking behind using /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf instead of modifying the existing /etc/dhcpd.conf as was used in past versions? Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > > For K12LTSP, lts.conf is now in the ltsp_i386-config package > > -Eric > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Does lts.conf.readme need to be updated? It still has allusions to >> the old style LOCAL_DEVICE_01 support, instead of the new >> LOCAL_STORAGE parameter of which there is no mention. Also, I notice >> there isn't an lts.conf; is that built during installation or is it in >> another package? >> >> Petre >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>> Fortunately I got a build of the updated LTSP source started just before >>> the construction crew tested out their new John Deere fiber detector. >>> >>> I'm finishing up moving today, I don't have my test server up at home >>> so I can't test this. Can someone give this package a spin and verify >>> that it works? Once I know it is ok, I'll add it to the repository: >>> >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-0f.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >>> >>> I just started work on the updated kernel. May take me a while, since >>> I'm >>> only logging everyone once in a while when I'm sick of unpacking >>> boxes ;-) >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Dan Young wrote: >>> >>>> We (Multnomah ESD, which hosts the K12LTSP repository) had a major >>>> outage this morning. We're just back up within the last half hour and >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us, http://k12linux.org, >>>> http://k12linux.org, >>>> etc should be reachable again. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dan Young >>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>> 503-257-1562 >>>> >>>> >>>> Roy wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see the list server is back up. I am unable to connect to the >>>>> K12LTSP >>>>> repository. Has it changed or is it down? >>>>> >>>>> Roy >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Jim McQuillan >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM >>>>> To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>>> ltsp-announce at lists.sourceforge.net; >>>>> Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>> Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 >>>>> >>>>> The following updates are now available: >>>>> >>>>> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >>>>> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >>>>> Kubuntu-breezy. >>>>> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >>>>> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >>>>> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >>>>> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. >>>>> >>>>> o vidlist >>>>> - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of >>>>> i810 chipsets. >>>>> - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of >>>>> nvidia chipsets. >>>>> >>>>> o startx >>>>> - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default >>>>> to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do >>>>> the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with >>>>> i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. >>>>> >>>>> o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 >>>>> - Added sis7019 audio driver. >>>>> - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems >>>>> for Xorg. >>>>> - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 >>>>> workstations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first >>>>> install the >>>>> newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 >>>>> >>>>> Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to >>>>> install. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil >>>>> later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. >>>>> >>>>> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en >>>>> >>>>> Ciao, >>>>> >>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roy at mpk.com Tue Apr 18 13:56:07 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GPG-KEY Error In-Reply-To: <4444D789.4020001@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <200604181416.k3IEGt0q022785@mx3.redhat.com> If I do a yum update I get this: Missing Dependency: libpisock.so.8()(64bit) is needed by package evolution -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Loomis Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:12 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] GPG-KEY Error I just did a fresh install of K12LTSP-Beta3 on a test server. When I try to update yum I keep getting GPG-KEY errors. It is downloading the correct key, but reports a mismatch. I had to turn off gpg check to get the update to process. Dan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 18 14:36:42 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:36:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> References: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:19:39 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote > The following updates are now available: > > o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) > - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for > Kubuntu-breezy. > - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. > - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including > Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. > - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. I am still not getting proper results for xdmcp in Kubuntu 5.10. Installed and Running equal Yes but Enabled is still no. I updated to the new utils package and updated any packages listed in ltspadmin. And unfortunately my thin client is still slow, very slow. I am now rsyncing the new k12 version 5 discs, ready to give up. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 18 15:16:32 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:16:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] GPG-KEY Error In-Reply-To: <200604181416.k3IEGt0q022785@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200604181416.k3IEGt0q022785@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <444502D0.3010207@mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > If I do a yum update I get this: > Missing Dependency: libpisock.so.8()(64bit) is needed by package evolution That's a known problem in FC 5 right now. You can either upgrade everything except evolution, or wait a day or two for the dependencies to shake out. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 18 15:38:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <4444E865.3070209@maltzen.net> References: <200604171947.k3HJkx9n029493@mx3.redhat.com> <4443F9BD.1070804@mesd.k12.or.us> <4444312D.3090901@maltzen.net> <4444E865.3070209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Eric- > Can you explain the thinking behind using /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf instead of > modifying the existing /etc/dhcpd.conf as was used in past versions? > > Petre With K12LTSP 4.x, I was maintaining my own dhcp package with a modified dhcpd.conf. That can cause me all sorts of grief and is a lot of work. -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> For K12LTSP, lts.conf is now in the ltsp_i386-config package >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Does lts.conf.readme need to be updated? It still has allusions to the old >>> style LOCAL_DEVICE_01 support, instead of the new LOCAL_STORAGE parameter >>> of which there is no mention. Also, I notice there isn't an lts.conf; is >>> that built during installation or is it in another package? >>> >>> Petre From bvangurp at pvhs.sad31.k12.me.us Tue Apr 18 15:41:09 2006 From: bvangurp at pvhs.sad31.k12.me.us (Barry Van Gurp) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:41:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updating k12ltsp Message-ID: <000901c662fe$83bdff40$6e05a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Greetings, I have the opportunity to update two servers, one running V4.1.1 and the other at V2. Would like to get both to V4.4.X. I've browsed several days to find update type instructions, did find one for V1 to V2. Using this, have backed up the Home folder, plus password, shadow, lts; dhcpd, etc files. Moved a backup of home folders to another drive. I guess my main question, is there an instruction on updating to V4.x.x.x etc. I know that I can update using the new iso's, but have not found any comments on what I can expect. Would appreciate any suggestions, comments, ideas. Barry Van Gurp MSAD31 Howland ME -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Apr 18 15:43:40 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:43:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation Message-ID: <200604181629.k3IGTAIf001278@mx1.redhat.com> I just installed K12ltsp on a sandbox server to try in my test environment. I used the default server installation for k12ltsp. The problem I am having is that my clients are not booting from the server. The network cards installed in the clients are Accton 1207D. Do I need special network cards to make this work? Thank you. Mark Sarria Technology Coordinator Sylmar High School LAUSD (818)367-0299 From mej at mindspring.com Tue Apr 18 17:16:10 2006 From: mej at mindspring.com (Michael E. Jaggers" >I just installed K12ltsp on a sandbox server to try in my test environment. >I used the default server installation for k12ltsp. The problem I am having >is that my clients are not booting from the server. The network cards >installed in the clients are Accton 1207D. Do I need special network cards >to make this work? The Accton 1207D is a Realtek 8139 based device (I have several). Linux should not have any trouble using that card. Unfortunately, the Accton 1207Ds I have seen do not come with a boot rom, which you need to boot from the local network. If you do not have a boot rom installed, try going to ROM-o-matic.net, http://www.rom-o-matic.net/, where you can download disk images that will allow you to boot from the LTSP server. Have fun! Mike From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 18 18:09:37 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation In-Reply-To: <5344263.1145380570972.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5344263.1145380570972.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44452B61.2040207@maltzen.net> Or try the Universal Boot Floppy at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 that will work with most PCI NICs, including RTK8139 based cards, and even some ISA NICs. Petre "Michael E. Jaggers" wrote: >> I just installed K12ltsp on a sandbox server to try in my test environment. >> I used the default server installation for k12ltsp. The problem I am having >> is that my clients are not booting from the server. The network cards >> installed in the clients are Accton 1207D. Do I need special network cards >> to make this work? > > The Accton 1207D is a Realtek 8139 based device (I have several). Linux should not have any trouble using that card. > > Unfortunately, the Accton 1207Ds I have seen do not come with a boot rom, which you need to boot from the local network. If you do not have a boot rom installed, try going to ROM-o-matic.net, http://www.rom-o-matic.net/, where you can download disk images that will allow you to boot from the LTSP server. > > Have fun! > > Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From atmlogic at kmts.ca Tue Apr 18 21:56:18 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:56:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation In-Reply-To: <5344263.1145380570972.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200604182345.k3INj28V026547@mx1.redhat.com> I thought a year ago or so I had a 'one size fits all' CD-Rom boot... I know it worked on every system in my office and even an IBM notebook. Thought it was taken from the Rom-o-matic site or simular.... From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 00:04:27 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP/Fedora Authentication against Windows ADS In-Reply-To: <200604111923.k3BJNHxo020556@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060419000427.60307.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, Thanks so much for the tutorial. I tried it and it worked. I've got a few comments/corrections, mostly to keep from confusing novices: Typo in "Step 1: authconfig, Part I", last sentence before the screenshot. Should be "This is how your authconfig should *look*". Confusion in "Step 1: authconfig, Part II", after the screen shot. The screenshot shows it correct, but the description says to use the FQDN in the "ADS Realm" field. I'm not positive about the terminology, but I don't think it's a FQDN if it doesn't have the machine name (the screenshot only shows the domain portion of the FQDN). Correction in "What is skel and umask?", skel section. /etc/skel is not actually empty (at least on my system), it contains hidden files. Correction in "What is skel and umask?", umask section. umask=0077 gives read/write/execute to the owner only, and no permissions to group or others. By the way, lots of writeups I've seen refer to "owner", but the chmod man page refers to "user". This caused me a lot of confusion when I was new to Linux, because I had it stuck in my head that "chmod o+rwx" would give the *owner* read/write/execute permissions, but it actually gives it to *other*. Step missing? in "Step 4: Joining the ADS". I followed your tutorial and was able to get results with wbinfo -u, wbinfo -g, and wbinfo -a, but I found that I needed to reboot my machine before it would accept a login from an Active Directory user. (My machine is running CentOS 4). Did I do something wrong? Was there a service I should have restarted in order to avoid the reboot? (I did restart Winbind as instructed). Thank you very very much for posting this tutorial. I had been struggling with this issue for a few weeks before you posted it. Question: If I use CentOS's nice "authentication" GUI, what steps from your tutorial could I omit? I'm assuming the authconfig part wouldn't need to be done, and maybe editing the pam.d files, but I'm not sure. The reason I ask is because I'd like to pass this info on to somebody who still has a slight bias towards GUI's. Thanks again! -Rob --- Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > I have had several request for the tutorial on how > to authenticate > K12LTSP/Fedore Core against a Windows Active > Directory Server so I have > uploaded it to the wiki.ltsp.org site. The tutorial > can be viewed by > clicking on the following link: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/k12ltspandadsauthenticatio > n.pdf > > As usual, I welcome all comments, questions, > concerns and frustrations. No > personal problems accepted. ;) Hope this tutorial > helps all who are > interested! > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Apr 19 03:35:09 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:35:09 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20060418160030.3EB5473827@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060418160030.3EB5473827@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4445AFED.4070809@cscoms.com> Hi, I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to restrict my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it possible to do that? I want all the wallpapers to be the same. Thank Edwardson Adventist International Mission School Saraburi Thailand From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Apr 19 04:05:18 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:05:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <4445AFED.4070809@cscoms.com> References: <20060418160030.3EB5473827@hormel.redhat.com> <4445AFED.4070809@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <4445B6FE.30102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hi, Yes. If you're using KDE, run kiosktool (if it's hidden from the menu, just Alt-F3). You can use it to give certain groups different desktops, which is pretty neat. I believe there's a new Gnome tool that offers similar functionality, but someone else will have to speak to whether it can lock down desktop wallpapers. Cheers, Mike Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to restrict > my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it possible to do that? > I want all the wallpapers to be the same. > > Thank > > Edwardson > Adventist International Mission School > Saraburi Thailand > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Apr 19 10:13:22 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:13:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <4445B6FE.30102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060418160030.3EB5473827@hormel.redhat.com> <4445AFED.4070809@cscoms.com> <4445B6FE.30102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1145441603.11990.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> The Gnome tool is Sabayon. http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ -Paul On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 21:05 -0700, Mike Ely wrote: > Hi, > > Yes. If you're using KDE, run kiosktool (if it's hidden from the menu, > just Alt-F3). You can use it to give certain groups different desktops, > which is pretty neat. > > I believe there's a new Gnome tool that offers similar functionality, > but someone else will have to speak to whether it can lock down desktop > wallpapers. > > Cheers, > Mike > > Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to restrict > > my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it possible to do that? > > I want all the wallpapers to be the same. > > > > Thank > > > > Edwardson > > Adventist International Mission School > > Saraburi Thailand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 19 12:50:58 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:50:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation In-Reply-To: <200604182345.k3INj28V026547@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604182345.k3INj28V026547@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44463232.8090303@maltzen.net> The Universal Boot Floppy is also available as a Universal Boot CD at the same location I mentioned. I use it in a machine that hangs whenever I try to boot from floppy; works brilliantly. Petre ATM Logic wrote: > I thought a year ago or so I had a 'one size fits all' CD-Rom boot... I > know it worked on every system in my office and even an IBM notebook. > Thought it was taken from the Rom-o-matic site or simular.... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Apr 19 14:25:01 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> References: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <36952.201.25.8.130.1145456701.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Jim, in Kubuntu 5.10, kdm is broken. There's a bug filed in the Ubuntu bug tracking system: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/24271 I've heard that if you upgrade the kde in Kubuntu to 3.5.1, it fixes the problem. I've tried it in Kubuntu-Dapper flight-5, and it's all working. ltspcfg *should* be modifying your kdmrc file properly, and it should be showing up as 'Enabled' in the status screen. I'm not sure why it's not for you, and I don't have access to my Kubuntu machine right now, to play with it. But, even if it did show up as Enabled, the bug described above would prevent it from working anyway. You could install GDM or XDM instead, to get through the Xdmcp issue. I have no clue what's causing the performance problems you are seeing. Kubuntu worked just fine for me as an LTSP server. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, April 18, 2006 10:36 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:19:39 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote >> The following updates are now available: >> >> o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) >> - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for >> Kubuntu-breezy. >> - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. >> - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including >> Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. >> - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. > > I am still not getting proper results for xdmcp in Kubuntu 5.10. > Installed > and Running equal Yes but Enabled is still no. I updated to the new utils > package and updated any packages listed in ltspadmin. > > And unfortunately my thin client is still slow, very slow. > > I am now rsyncing the new k12 version 5 discs, ready to give up. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 19 15:14:16 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:14:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <36952.201.25.8.130.1145456701.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> <36952.201.25.8.130.1145456701.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <20060419151010.M25790@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:25:01 -0400 (EDT), Jim McQuillan wrote > Jim, > > in Kubuntu 5.10, kdm is broken. There's a bug filed in the Ubuntu bug > tracking system: > > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/24271 > > I've heard that if you upgrade the kde in Kubuntu to 3.5.1, it fixes > the problem. > > I've tried it in Kubuntu-Dapper flight-5, and it's all working. > > ltspcfg *should* be modifying your kdmrc file properly, and it > should be showing up as 'Enabled' in the status screen. I'm not > sure why it's not for you, and I don't have access to my Kubuntu > machine right now, to play with it. But, even if it did show up as > Enabled, the bug described above would prevent it from working anyway. > > You could install GDM or XDM instead, to get through the Xdmcp issue. > > I have no clue what's causing the performance problems you are > seeing. Kubuntu worked just fine for me as an LTSP server. I tried the update to 3.5.1 before the updates to ltspcfg and things still didn't work correctly. Like I said, I can boot a client, just slow to boot and slow to run, server is smoking fast. I gave up for now on this and rsynced my K12 discs to ver5 beta and threw that on yesterday. Now FC5 won't recognize my GeForce4 MX440 video card, the FC2 version picked it up just fine. I put a temporary machine in at home while I finish pulling out my hair so my wife gets off my back :-) Thanks for your help. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Apr 19 15:45:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can t join domain..Help Message-ID: <23964.169.244.70.148.1145461552.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i undertook to change ldap master pw yesterday..saving first /etc/ldap.conf /var/lib/samba /etc/ldap.secret /etc/samba/secrets.tdb..Had trouble getting windows to mount desktop and documents from fileserver..just before the sirens started going off,,i bailed and put those configs back in place..everything works perfectly EXCEPT..can no longer join new machines to the domain.. ive used smbpasswd -w to replace secrets.tdb..also used original secrets.tdb to no avail..Can anyone shine a light on this perplexing problem???chuck From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 17:38:03 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lab Plans for NECC 2006 Message-ID: We've just finalized the speakers schedule for the Open Source lab at the National Educational Computing Conference 2006 in San Diego. Very exciting. We'll have 15 hour-long sessions that will be held in a lab setting with 25 computers, with some GREAT speakers: David Thornburg: "When Best is Free: An Educator's Guide to Open Source" Michelle Moore: "Use Your Noodle, Learn Moodle: An Open Source Learning Management System" (3 sessions - boy is she popular!) Will Richardson: "Learning With Blogs: Bringing the Read/Write Web Into the Classroom" Jeffrey Elkner: "A Tour of Ubuntu with Free CD" Jenny Horn: "Hello World: Starting at the Very Beginning with PHP" Bryant Patten: "Open Source Technology: Why Teachers Should Care" Tim Frichtel: "Great Web Sites with Open Source Content Management Systems" Steve Hargadon: "K12LTSP: Low-cost, Stable, and Reliable Computer Labs" Chris Walsh: "Content is STILL King: FREE Blogging & Content Management Systems" James Klein: "Creating Communities with Open Source Tools" Tom Hoffman: "SchoolTool: a Free, Open Source SIS and Calendaring System" Vernon Ceder: "Computer Programming for Everybody: Teaching Programming with Python" We'll also have a "birds of a feather" meeting on Open Source software in K12 schools, to be followed by a proposed dinner event with those interested in talking about the future of Open Source software in Education. Mike Huffman from Indiana has also said that he will be attending, and we're going to try and find a venue for his participation as well--many of us are very interested in an update on the Indiana ACCESS program! In addition to the Open Source lab, we'll have a "Playground" area with 6 booths to showcase different Open Source technologies real-time. Currently planned are booths for: SchoolTool & CanDo 2006 (A FREE, Web-Based, Competency Tracker) Ubuntu & Fedora Core Moodle & Moodle e-portfolio Open Office & Firefox Gimp Asterisk & Mambo/Joomla We do need people/students who can help staff these booths! Please let me know if you might be able to help organize some booth support! -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Apr 19 18:54:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can t join domain..Help In-Reply-To: <23964.169.244.70.148.1145461552.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <23964.169.244.70.148.1145461552.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <38622.169.244.70.148.1145472892.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jason altered a couple settings in smb.conf though it's been running fine for 9 months and got domain joining working.. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Apr 19 19:29:55 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:29:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <20060419151010.M25790@winonacotter.org> References: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> <36952.201.25.8.130.1145456701.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060419151010.M25790@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <443AEF31-0E31-4F2B-ABCE-F6F014CF6FB6@mindfirestudios.com> Did you use the binary drivers for it or the 2D ones included with X? > I gave up for now on this and rsynced my K12 discs to ver5 beta and > threw that > on yesterday. Now FC5 won't recognize my GeForce4 MX440 video > card, the FC2 > version picked it up just fine. I put a temporary machine in at > home while I > finish pulling out my hair so my wife gets off my back :-) > > Thanks for your help. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 19 20:51:51 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:51:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation In-Reply-To: <44452B61.2040207@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200604192052.k3JKpvks021903@mx1.redhat.com> Ok, I got it to work using the Universal Boot_Rom. Thanks for the info. In my production environment, my server is a K12ltsp server running Samba-LDAP courtesy of the script. This server has been working just fine for that past year. I have about 800 client computer that will be out of warranty at the end of this month. During my server installation I did not include the LTSP server software. Can I install this without any problems or configuration errors to my existing SAMBA-LDAP server? Also in my network environment we have a Cisco switch that serves as our gateway and DHCP server. Can I use K12LTSP without the DHCP functionality? Thank you Mark Sarria Technology Coordinator Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM To: "Michael E. Jaggers" ; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New Installation Or try the Universal Boot Floppy at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 that will work with most PCI NICs, including RTK8139 based cards, and even some ISA NICs. Petre "Michael E. Jaggers" wrote: >> I just installed K12ltsp on a sandbox server to try in my test environment. >> I used the default server installation for k12ltsp. The problem I am having >> is that my clients are not booting from the server. The network cards >> installed in the clients are Accton 1207D. Do I need special network cards >> to make this work? > > The Accton 1207D is a Realtek 8139 based device (I have several). Linux should not have any trouble using that card. > > Unfortunately, the Accton 1207Ds I have seen do not come with a boot rom, which you need to boot from the local network. If you do not have a boot rom installed, try going to ROM-o-matic.net, http://www.rom-o-matic.net/, where you can download disk images that will allow you to boot from the LTSP server. > > Have fun! > > Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 22:17:36 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:17:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 on 64 with LTSP and yum updated- now video messed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I just did a yum update over lunch on my test fc5 with Eric's k12ltsp rpms of Jim's ltsp4.2. Now my client loads through to a flashing graphics screen (black) 10 or 20 times then to an anitmated arrow cursor with no logon or background. I don't know if anyone else has had this crop up. I checked the dhcp and lts conf files and they didn't seem to get written over with any default messed up files... Any ideas are welcomed! Thanks, Jim C From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 01:10:08 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP/Fedora Authentication against Windows ADS In-Reply-To: <200604111923.k3BJNHxo020556@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060420011008.59185.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, One other nitpick in your tutorial: In your intro, you wrote "except Linux" when you meant "accept Linux". Thanks again for the tutorial. -Rob --- Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > I have had several request for the tutorial on how > to authenticate > K12LTSP/Fedore Core against a Windows Active > Directory Server so I have > uploaded it to the wiki.ltsp.org site. The tutorial > can be viewed by > clicking on the following link: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/Documentation/k12ltspandadsauthenticatio > n.pdf > > As usual, I welcome all comments, questions, > concerns and frustrations. No > personal problems accepted. ;) Hope this tutorial > helps all who are > interested! > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 20 03:24:24 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:24:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: <443AEF31-0E31-4F2B-ABCE-F6F014CF6FB6@mindfirestudios.com> References: <4443A3FB.7010001@McQuil.com> <20060418143127.M31518@winonacotter.org> <36952.201.25.8.130.1145456701.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060419151010.M25790@winonacotter.org> <443AEF31-0E31-4F2B-ABCE-F6F014CF6FB6@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20060420032221.M92516@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:29:55 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote > Did you use the binary drivers for it or the 2D ones included with X? I just slammed in the K12LTSP disc 1 and went for default K12 install. Didn't pick my card up for a graphical install even. Never had trouble before, doesn't seem right that driver support would go backwards to me. Am I missing something simple? Are you suggesting I just download the drivers for the GeForce and load them on install? I'll try that tomorrow morning. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Apr 20 08:34:00 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:34:00 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20060419160042.1E750739FC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060419160042.1E750739FC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> Mike, Anything that works in IceWM? Or does Kiosktool work with Icewm? Edward #Hi, #Yes. If you're using KDE, run kiosktool (if it's hidden from the menu, #just Alt-F3). You can use it to give certain groups different desktops, #which is pretty neat. #I believe there's a new Gnome tool that offers similar functionality, #but someone else will have to speak to whether it can lock down desktop #wallpapers. #Cheers, #Mike Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to restrict >> my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it possible to do that? >> I want all the wallpapers to be the same. >> >> Thank >> >> Edwardson >> Adventist International Mission School >> Saraburi Thailand >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > ---------------- From trey at fastmail.fm Thu Apr 20 12:35:07 2006 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:35:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> References: <20060419160042.1E750739FC@hormel.redhat.com> <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <20060420123507.GC14518@laptop> On Thu Apr 20, 2006 03:34PM, Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Mike, > > Anything that works in IceWM? Or does Kiosktool work with Icewm? > > Edward > None that I know of, although the kiosktool *is* KDE specific. -- Cheers, Trey ---- "Calvin Coolidge looks as if he had been weaned on a pickle." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth Linux laptop 2.6.16-8-smp i686 GNU/Linux 8:34am up 6 days 13:24, 9 users, load average: 0.84, 0.61, 0.31 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 20 12:38:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:38:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> References: <20060419160042.1E750739FC@hormel.redhat.com> <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <444780DF.9010805@maltzen.net> Assuming you're using the default IceWM installation that comes with K12LTSP, the desktop, icons, and wallpaper are controlled by Nautilus which is set to automatically load with IceWM. So, Kiosktool probably won't help you there. Petre Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Mike, > > Anything that works in IceWM? Or does Kiosktool work with Icewm? > > Edward > > #Hi, > > #Yes. If you're using KDE, run kiosktool (if it's hidden from the menu, > #just Alt-F3). You can use it to give certain groups different desktops, > #which is pretty neat. > > #I believe there's a new Gnome tool that offers similar functionality, > #but someone else will have to speak to whether it can lock down desktop > #wallpapers. > > #Cheers, > #Mike > > Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to restrict >>> my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it possible to do that? >>> I want all the wallpapers to be the same. >>> >>> Thank >>> >>> Edwardson >>> Adventist International Mission School >>> Saraburi Thailand >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> > > > > > ---------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Apr 20 13:07:26 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:07:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> References: <20060419160042.1E750739FC@hormel.redhat.com> <44474778.5080907@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <20060420090726.50eebb56@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:34:00 +0700 Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Mike, > > Anything that works in IceWM? Or does Kiosktool work with Icewm? > > Edward > > #Hi, > > #Yes. If you're using KDE, run kiosktool (if it's hidden from the > menu, #just Alt-F3). You can use it to give certain groups different > desktops, #which is pretty neat. > > #I believe there's a new Gnome tool that offers similar functionality, > #but someone else will have to speak to whether it can lock down > desktop #wallpapers. > > #Cheers, > #Mike > > Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I don't know if this was answered here before, but i wanted to > >restrict > my students from changing the desktop paper. Is it > >possible to do that? > I want all the wallpapers to be the same. > >> > >> Thank > >> > >> Edwardson > >> Adventist International Mission School > >> Saraburi Thailand > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > > > > ---------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Locking down IceWM is probably one of the easiest (at least in my opinion). 1) Take a "generic user" and set up IceWM exactly like you want it. Make sure the $USER/.icewm folder contains everything. (You can use the IceWM help or man to find a list of config files). Since you are trying to lock things down, I would define everything, including the "default" settings. 2) Once you have everything set, move that folder to somewhere everyone can read it, but only $ADMIN can edit it. '/usr/local/icewm' for example. 3) Symlink in each users home directory to you special icewm folder. ln -s /usr/local/icewm /home/$USER/.icewm I know that last step can be a lot, but there have been a lot of scripts on this list that you can edit to do the same thing. (I am no script writer, so I would have to search through the achieve as well) You will want something like: for $USER in /home/ do ln -s /usr/local/icewm /home/$USER/.icewm That is not the exact terms, but is the idea -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 20 14:26:02 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:26:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 woes Message-ID: <20060420142137.M28131@winonacotter.org> It looks like my problem with the new beta FC5 K12ltsp isn't exactly video drivers like I thought. It looks like it is not detecting the entire PCI bus (and AGP) anymore. It found it fine with FC2. My NIC isn't showing up anymore along with other devices which is leading me in this direction. The motherboard is an IWill DVD266u-RN. I ran into the same thing when testing out MEPIS 3.4-3 after reading a review on it. Kubuntu still finds everything but that gave me the slow problems. Slowly going bald now. Any suggestion would be great. thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 20 15:29:46 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:29:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux Message-ID: <200604201529.k3KFTqOm027320@mx1.redhat.com> I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be rack mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or Brand works best with Linux? Also where can I find more educational games to install on the ltsp server? Thank you for your suggestions. Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 15:48:34 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:48:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux In-Reply-To: <200604201529.k3KFTqOm027320@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604201529.k3KFTqOm027320@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0604200848x179de740t229c43a2ff941daf@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/06, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be rack > mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or Brand > works best with Linux? APC seems to be the best of the brands which I _know_ to work with Linux. My experience suggests that if you use APC, you're better off using "apcupsd" (in Fedora Extras, IIRC) than "nut". Falcon UPSes are probably of a higher quality than APC. Falcon says it has Linux based UPS software, but I have no experience with it, so I can't give you a definite "works with Fedora" recommendation. Both APC and Falcon have rack-mount UPSes. You can expect them to cost a chunk more than the equivalent tower or box models. Calvin From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 15:56:32 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:56:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0604200848x179de740t229c43a2ff941daf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604201529.k3KFTqOm027320@mx1.redhat.com> <824a5f7a0604200848x179de740t229c43a2ff941daf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80604200856g15eb3c1doc5aee9849dfc26fe@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 4/20/06, Mark Sarria wrote: > > I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be rack > > mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or Brand > > works best with Linux? > > Both APC and Falcon have rack-mount UPSes. You can expect them to cost > a chunk more than the equivalent tower or box models. and if you do go rackmount, be sure to save a few U at the bottom of the rack. (they are heavy) From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 20 15:56:40 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:56:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [Ltsp-discuss] PCMCIA booting fund] Message-ID: <4447AF38.7040000@maltzen.net> FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] PCMCIA booting fund Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:54:39 +0100 From: Ben Green Organization: Bristol Wireless To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net I approached the etherboot discussion email list recently about the possibility of a funded implementation of PCMCIA booting. The who, what and where of this have been written up on this page: http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/PCMCIABootGPXE I am prepared to maintain a list of pledges and donations and use the Bristol Wireless Community Co-operative to hold any funds. The total cost of the first implementation has been quoted at 3200GBP (around 5700USD). See the web page for more details. I will be approaching various possible funders over the next few weeks, and following up any leads I get. Please feed back to wiki page, or to me personally with any information of offers. This really shouldn't be too much to raise, and it would help a lot of people out with their projects. Let me know any thoughts. Thanks From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Apr 20 15:59:23 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:59:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0604200848x179de740t229c43a2ff941daf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604201529.k3KFTqOm027320@mx1.redhat.com> <824a5f7a0604200848x179de740t229c43a2ff941daf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4447AFDB.1000304@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 4/20/06, Mark Sarria wrote: >> I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be rack >> mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or Brand >> works best with Linux? > > APC seems to be the best of the brands which I _know_ to work with > Linux. My experience suggests that if you use APC, you're better off > using "apcupsd" (in Fedora Extras, IIRC) than "nut". > > Falcon UPSes are probably of a higher quality than APC. Falcon says it > has Linux based UPS software, but I have no experience with it, so I > can't give you a definite "works with Fedora" recommendation. > > Both APC and Falcon have rack-mount UPSes. You can expect them to cost > a chunk more than the equivalent tower or box models. > > Calvin I'm going to second Calvin's recommendation to use acpupsd and APC UPS devices. I've run these on Debian and SuSE with very good results, and the daemon is very configurable with a lot of options set right by default. I've run APC units for several years now, and the worst thing I've seen them do is have the batteries wear out, but they're easy enough to swap out when that inevitably happens. Cheers, Mike From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 20 16:17:14 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:17:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] users viewing file system Message-ID: <20060420091714.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.34f613bea6.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Is there a way to prevent the users that login on the terminals from seeing files? I know that they cannot change anything, however, I would like to prevent them snooping around the file system. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Apr 20 16:31:42 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:31:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] users viewing file system In-Reply-To: <20060420091714.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.34f613bea6.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060420091714.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.34f613bea6.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4447B76E.2020300@rogueriver.k12.or.us> You could do it with permissions, but that's likely to break things. The things to do would be to block access to a commandline shell, and configure whatever filebrowser you use to not allow browsing outside the user's homedir. This is another one of those things I only know how to do in KDE, but I bet sabayon does the same thing for Nautilus (or someone here could write a patch for it really quick to make it do that). Note that even once you configure this correctly, people will still be able to use firefox or other browsers to snoop around using the file:// trick, so good luck. The biggest thing to do is make the homedirs private. This is accomplished by setting the umask correctly when user accounts are created. Hope this helps, Mike rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Is there a way to prevent the users that login on the terminals from > seeing files? I know that they cannot change anything, however, I > would like to prevent them snooping around the file system. > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 20 16:19:21 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:19:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux In-Reply-To: <4447AFDB.1000304@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604201634.k3KGYbme020141@mx1.redhat.com> Is acpupsd included with Fedora, or does it come as part of the APC software bundle? Thanks Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ely Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 4/20/06, Mark Sarria wrote: >> I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be rack >> mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or Brand >> works best with Linux? > > APC seems to be the best of the brands which I _know_ to work with > Linux. My experience suggests that if you use APC, you're better off > using "apcupsd" (in Fedora Extras, IIRC) than "nut". > > Falcon UPSes are probably of a higher quality than APC. Falcon says it > has Linux based UPS software, but I have no experience with it, so I > can't give you a definite "works with Fedora" recommendation. > > Both APC and Falcon have rack-mount UPSes. You can expect them to cost > a chunk more than the equivalent tower or box models. > > Calvin I'm going to second Calvin's recommendation to use acpupsd and APC UPS devices. I've run these on Debian and SuSE with very good results, and the daemon is very configurable with a lot of options set right by default. I've run APC units for several years now, and the worst thing I've seen them do is have the batteries wear out, but they're easy enough to swap out when that inevitably happens. Cheers, Mike _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Apr 20 16:36:26 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:36:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux In-Reply-To: <200604201634.k3KGYbme020141@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200604201634.k3KGYbme020141@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4447B88A.80803@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Per Calvin's earlier post below: > My experience suggests that if you use APC, you're better off > using "apcupsd" (in Fedora Extras, IIRC) than "nut" Mike Mark Sarria wrote: > Is acpupsd included with Fedora, or does it come as part of the APC software > bundle? > > Thanks > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Mike Ely > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:59 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Which UPS is best for Linux > > Calvin Dodge wrote: >> On 4/20/06, Mark Sarria wrote: >>> I am in the process of purchasing a UPS for my server. I need it to be > rack >>> mounted and work with Fedora Core 3 any suggestions on which model or > Brand >>> works best with Linux? >> APC seems to be the best of the brands which I _know_ to work with >> Linux. My experience suggests that if you use APC, you're better off >> using "apcupsd" (in Fedora Extras, IIRC) than "nut". >> >> Falcon UPSes are probably of a higher quality than APC. Falcon says it >> has Linux based UPS software, but I have no experience with it, so I >> can't give you a definite "works with Fedora" recommendation. >> >> Both APC and Falcon have rack-mount UPSes. You can expect them to cost >> a chunk more than the equivalent tower or box models. >> >> Calvin > > I'm going to second Calvin's recommendation to use acpupsd and APC UPS > devices. I've run these on Debian and SuSE with very good results, and > the daemon is very configurable with a lot of options set right by default. > > I've run APC units for several years now, and the worst thing I've seen > them do is have the batteries wear out, but they're easy enough to swap > out when that inevitably happens. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 16:41:55 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:41:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxFest NW in Bellingham Sat Apr 29 Message-ID: Just like to let everyone know of LinuxFest NorthWest on April 29 in Bellingham WA. USA http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ We are going to have a table for LTSP/K12LTSP running the latest FC5/K12LTSP featuring the new LTSP 4.2 Eric H. and Jim M. will be giving talks in the morning. http://blug.org/schedule-times.dxp Wondering if some people on this list would volunteer to help man the table. Even half an hour would be appreciated. Also if someone would be willing to bring an LCD display (15" is fine) that would be great. I am going to bring a small server and two clients. I would prefer not to bring CRT monitors. -- Robert Arkiletian http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From Roy at mpk.com Thu Apr 20 16:10:22 2006 From: Roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:10:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Update error ... libgnome-2.14.0-1 Message-ID: <200604201646.k3KGkGe9010630@mx3.redhat.com> Transaction Check Error: file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_accessibility_keyboard.schemas from install o f libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_accessibility_startup.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_applications_browser.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 c onflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_applications_help_viewer.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5 .1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_applications_terminal.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_applications_window_manager.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1. fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_background.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts w ith file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_file_views.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts w ith file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts wi th file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_lockdown.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts wit h file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_peripherals_keyboard.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 c onflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_peripherals_mouse.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conf licts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_sound.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with f ile from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_thumbnailers.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_typing_break.schemas from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from package libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/sound/events/gnome-2.soundlist from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file from pa ckage libgnome-2.14.0-1 file /etc/sound/events/gtk-events-2.soundlist from install of libgnome-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 conflicts with file fr om package libgnome-2.14.0-1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 20 16:22:32 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:22:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon (User Profile Editor) - oddity FYI Message-ID: <20060420092232.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.aaf55c4d64.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Just FYI I have noticed that if I assign a user to a profile and then continue to edit the profile using Sabayon (User Profile Editor) that the changes don't take effect. I think that this is mentioned briefly on the Sabayon website. I haven't found a fix for this other than deleting the user and recreating the user. Make sure that you test the profile on a test user before applying to other existing users. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 20 17:41:11 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 woes In-Reply-To: <20060420142137.M28131@winonacotter.org> References: <20060420142137.M28131@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060420173934.M34113@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:26:02 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > It looks like my problem with the new beta FC5 K12ltsp isn't exactly > video drivers like I thought. It looks like it is not detecting the > entire PCI bus > (and AGP) anymore. It found it fine with FC2. My NIC isn't showing > up anymore along with other devices which is leading me in this > direction. The motherboard is an IWill DVD266u-RN. > > I ran into the same thing when testing out MEPIS 3.4-3 after reading > a review on it. Kubuntu still finds everything but that gave me the > slow problems. > > Slowly going bald now. Any suggestion would be great. > Nevermind. I just scratched this attempt as well. Since Kubuntu loaded okay but had xdmcp issues, and Jim M and other have loaded Ubuntu without any problems, I have decided to load Ubuntu and give it a whirl. Hopefully this will work. Otherwise I am throwing this server out the second floor window and buying a new one. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 17:57:11 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:57:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum updated- now video messed -or Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Jim K- I wonder if you and I are having the same problem? I did the yum update on the working fc5 ltsp4.2 system yesterday. The update brought in a bunch of new ltsp rpms and the requested ltsp-utils had to be forced because of dependency troubles. I have had to forces something lstp-4.2 based on a prior test fc5 install a couple of weeks ago... so I figured no harm again this time. The result is that the display seems to be loaded graphically with an animated cursor but everything is black... no logon screen. Jim C From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 20 19:38:59 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:38:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Proliant DL145 Message-ID: <4447E353.9080103@paasda.org> anyone use any of these for their LTSP Servers? Found some with a decent price point on them...running dual Opterons... --Huck From mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Thu Apr 20 22:16:16 2006 From: mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard and FC5 Message-ID: <1381.24.2.210.202.1145571376.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I can't seem to find squidGuard. I am trying to upgrade our squid gateway from FC3 to FC5. I built the system using the FC5 CD's. Should I try rebuilding using the K12LTSP cd's? Also, I have some vague memory of Eric having applied a patch to force google safe image searches. Where can if find this? From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 22:28:11 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:28:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum update = greeter crash on server and clients Message-ID: Well, if I had only checked the server i would have found that the yum update killed something that affects the greeter. At server boot I get a message that says the greeter has died... i clicked ok and now i have the default k12ltsp logon screen. The clients still don't have a logon. My /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is gone since the yum update, too... I've copied one in from my fc4 install... Rebooted but no change. The greeter comes with a crash error and then after clicking ok it restarts. Entering the gdm configuration menu works then crashes! Help! man this has a sticky shift key! From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 23:59:43 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:59:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Yum update = greeter crash on server and clients- Fixed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, the problem was a corrupted gdm package that got updated two days ago... The gdm.conf file was gone plus other unknown files... I did an rpm -U --force on the newest gdm rpm and rebooted- All of my test clients seem to be working. From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 22:38:40 2006 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Fedora 4 to see past wireless router? Message-ID: Hello All, I need some help...Here's the situation: I have a PC that dual boots to XP and Fedora. I am using a Linksys DI-524 router to share my cable modem service. XP sees the router and can access the net. Fedora can see and communicate with the router but can't connect to the net. Is it even possible for the router to work with XP and Fedora? Do I need the static IP address from my cable modem and set this up in Fedora? Thanks. Dan in NC From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 21 23:35:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:35:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #4 Message-ID: <44496C45.2000300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #4 has been uploaded. This includes a TON of updates including the latest versions of LTSP, GNOME, and KDE. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . Note: my i810-based terminal still will not start X. I'll dig into that this weekend. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 22 06:05:59 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard and FC5 In-Reply-To: <1381.24.2.210.202.1145571376.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <1381.24.2.210.202.1145571376.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I can't seem to find squidGuard. I am trying to upgrade our squid gateway > from FC3 to FC5. I built the system using the FC5 CD's. Should I try > rebuilding using the K12LTSP cd's? Also, I have some vague memory of Eric > having applied a patch to force google safe image searches. Where can if > find this? > If you were starting from scratch, I'd recommend using the K12LTSP cds. But since it sounds like you already upgraded your server, it would be less painful to do it the hard way (which is not that hard if you just want the squidGuard package). [ Note that this is untested. If any part of the following fails, ask for help... ] 1) Install the k12ltsp-release package. Currently, you can do that with this command: rpm -ihv k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm 2) Load the K12LTSP keys: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* 3) Install the K12LTSP squidGuard package: yum install squidGuard 4) Setup the services as you've used in the past, such as: /sbin/chkconfig squid off /sbin/server squid stop /sbin/chkconfig squidGuard on /sbin/service squidGuard start /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on /sbin/service transparent-proxying start 5) if the squidGuard service refuses to start, try running this command and then reboot: setsebool -P squid_disable_trans=1 -Eric From mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Apr 22 16:07:01 2006 From: mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard and FC5 In-Reply-To: References: <1381.24.2.210.202.1145571376.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1663.24.2.210.202.1145722021.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> > On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 mrosamba at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > >> I can't seem to find squidGuard. I am trying to upgrade our squid >> gateway >> from FC3 to FC5. I built the system using the FC5 CD's. Should I try >> rebuilding using the K12LTSP cd's? Also, I have some vague memory of >> Eric >> having applied a patch to force google safe image searches. Where can >> if >> find this? >> > > If you were starting from scratch, I'd recommend using the K12LTSP cds. > But since it sounds like you already upgraded your server, it would be > less painful to do it the hard way (which is not that hard if you just > want the squidGuard package). > > [ Note that this is untested. If any part of the following fails, ask for > help... ] > > 1) Install the k12ltsp-release package. Currently, you can do that with > this command: > > rpm -ihv > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm > > 2) Load the K12LTSP keys: > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > 3) Install the K12LTSP squidGuard package: > > yum install squidGuard > > 4) Setup the services as you've used in the past, such as: > > /sbin/chkconfig squid off > /sbin/server squid stop > /sbin/chkconfig squidGuard on > /sbin/service squidGuard start > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on > /sbin/service transparent-proxying start > > 5) if the squidGuard service refuses to start, try running this command > and then reboot: > > setsebool -P squid_disable_trans=1 > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Except for a "ftp://" in the first rpm, your install instructions worked great. I have a couple of more schools to do, so I think I will download the K12LTSP CD's. Thanks again Eric, Mark Orenstein East Granby (CT) School System From drloomis at cox-internet.com Sat Apr 22 18:39:38 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:39:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 boards Message-ID: <444A786A.8010307@cox-internet.com> Eric, I tried booting an old i810 pc with several of the most recent live-cd distributions only to have them all fail loading X-Windows, except Ubuntu 5.0.4. You might see what Ubuntu is doing differntly. Dan From drloomis at cox-internet.com Sat Apr 22 18:47:19 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:47:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server Message-ID: <444A7A37.9050106@cox-internet.com> Has anyone tried setting up one of the new Via VT-310DP dual cpu mini-itx motherboards as a small, low-power, quiet server for a portable workgroup? While its dual 1000mHz C3 processors could not compete with a dual Xeon or Opteron server, it could be installed in a small case and used to support basic office functions for a group of four or five. With addition of a four-port pci NIC, it would not even need a switch--just bridge the four ethernet ports into one br0, add clients and you are good to go. It would make a dandy demo system to take on the road, all in a package the size of a thin client. Dan From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Apr 22 19:32:28 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:32:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server Message-ID: <20060422123228.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b0d73a5632.wbe@email.secureserver.net> It would be nice to put it in one of the small cube cases, populate the PCI slot with a Digium 2portFXO/2port FXS board, load LTSP and Asterisk on the system. Grab 2 HP T5510 thin clients, 2 LCD screens, 1 analog telephone and 1 SIP phone, and a 5 port 10/100 switch. It would make a great demo system to show thin clients and IP Telephony. You could travel around the county selling it out of your car. What a life! Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server > From: Daniel Loomis > Date: Sat, April 22, 2006 1:47 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Has anyone tried setting up one of the new Via VT-310DP dual cpu > mini-itx motherboards as a small, low-power, quiet server for a portable > workgroup? While its dual 1000mHz C3 processors could not compete with > a dual Xeon or Opteron server, it could be installed in a small case and > used to support basic office functions for a group of four or five. > With addition of a four-port pci NIC, it would not even need a > switch--just bridge the four ethernet ports into one br0, add clients > and you are good to go. > > It would make a dandy demo system to take on the road, all in a package > the size of a thin client. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 00:42:38 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down Firefox Message-ID: <20060423004238.45752.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com> Ideally, I would like to make a modification to each of my four terminal servers and run firefox with command line options for fullscreen and a specific web site. Users would be able to switch between fullscreen mode, close the browser and log off the system, but not go to any of their own websites. I have checked into using firefox extensions but am not sure how to get an extension installed and then configured for all of my ldap users. The extensions I have checked out are autohide and R-kiosk. Any Ideas? Is there another way to approach this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Apr 23 04:15:31 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:15:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorrent client for K12LTSP Message-ID: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> I want to download a VMware virtual machine that is only available as a bittorrent. How can I use bittorrents with K12LTSP4.2 ? I have tried downloading Bittorrent (original) and Azureus, but had problems. I can't figure out how to start Bittorrent and Azureus won't install. Krsnendu dasa PS. I am planning to upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0 in a few weeks when it becomes stable and when I have time. The local device feature and faster boot time sound great! From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Apr 23 06:41:20 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:41:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Fedora 4 to see past wireless router? Message-ID: <61792.70.96.64.94.1145774480.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Dan, Boot up into Fedora, take your router out of the picture. Just plug your "Fedora" PC into your cable modem, without the the router in the picture, & see if Fedora works this way. I m guessing it still will not work without the router even in the picture. ( If all you have is your Linksys DI-524 & no "single" cable modem to test with, then this is null) If Fedora still does not work, It about has to be that you have hard coded an internal IP address in Windows ( to match the router internal Ip address) is the reason it works in Windows and not Fedora. In Windows do an - ipconfig /all - at a command prompt, & see what your ip address is. In Fedora do an - ifconfig - ( as root) in a terminal to see what your IP adddress is. These ip addresses ( for either wireless or hardwired nics) should ultimatley be the same in either OS. You didn't mention if you are actually using a wireless nic in your test pc or if you have cat5 going to/from your wireless router to your Windows/Fedora PC. If you ARE using a wireless nic in the test pc, then you probably need to manually "enable"/ Connect one time, from the Fedora PC to your wireless router( device name). After this Fedora should work each & every time :) Take Care, Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 13:04:38 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:04:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorrent client for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> References: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <9bd317560604230604o6c1bede3tceea6f9444c57fe0@mail.gmail.com> I didn't have any problems with bittorrent. From the command line just type bittorrent. If you use gnome, watch out. The installer gives a menu shortcut. I'm sure you don't want your students using it. Peter On 4/23/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I want to download a VMware virtual machine that is only available as a > bittorrent. > How can I use bittorrents with K12LTSP4.2 ? > I have tried downloading Bittorrent (original) and Azureus, but had > problems. I can't figure out how to start Bittorrent and Azureus won't > install. > > Krsnendu dasa > > PS. I am planning to upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0 in a few weeks when it > becomes stable and when I have time. The local device feature and faster > boot time sound great! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > . From robark at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 14:38:46 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:38:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorrent client for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> References: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On 4/22/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I want to download a VMware virtual machine that is only available as a > bittorrent. > How can I use bittorrents with K12LTSP4.2 ? Make sure you open up the ports bittorrent uses (with system-config-securitylevel open 6881-6999 ) or you will not get good download speeds -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 14:42:48 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:42:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorrent client for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On 4/23/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/22/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > I want to download a VMware virtual machine that is only available as a > > bittorrent. > > How can I use bittorrents with K12LTSP4.2 ? > > Make sure you open up the ports bittorrent uses (with > system-config-securitylevel open 6881-6999 ) or you will not get good > download speeds And of course also open those ports on any external router/firewall. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sun Apr 23 19:42:50 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:42:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch OpenOffice's default file format Message-ID: <200604231542.50894.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> I notice with the 4.4.1 version of K12LTSP based on Fedora 4 that OpenOffice 2.0 defaults for each new users to saving files in Microsoft Office format. Does anyone know how I go about change this to default to OpenOffice 1.0 format? What about Open Document format? -- Thanks, John Hansknecht From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 20:54:34 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] /etc/hosts help Message-ID: <20060423205434.95713.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is my /etc/hosts file supposed to look like for the "localhost" line? Is it supposed to be this: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost or this: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain myserver.mydomain localhost myserver And is there supposed to be a line for my server's actual IP address? Such as: 192.168.1.254 myserver.mydomain myserver Thanks in advance for straightening my out! -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 21:17:59 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] when to create a local repository? Message-ID: <20060423211759.47268.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking for a little guidance... At what point does it make sense to mirror a repository locally? I've currently got 3 CentOS machines (all set to update nightly), and likely will have a few more in the future. Should I have my own local mirror to update these machines? Or should I continue updating over the internet? I'm looking to save my own bandwidth and the bandwidth of the nice people who maintain the public mirrors. Thanks. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Apr 24 11:54:09 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:54:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] /etc/hosts help In-Reply-To: <20060423205434.95713.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060423205434.95713.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65A22478-F2AC-4791-9287-4E288B6A06A3@mindfirestudios.com> On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > What is my /etc/hosts file supposed to look like for > the "localhost" line? Is it supposed to be this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > > or this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain myserver.mydomain > localhost myserver The first. From william at fragakis.com Mon Apr 24 12:38:36 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:38:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server In-Reply-To: <20060423160017.465CE735BF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060423160017.465CE735BF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1145882316.18769.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> the C3s aren't known to be robust processors. iirc, they benchmarked equivalent to about the same as about 50% slower PIIIs. You may wish to look also at LAN-party style cases (e.g. Shuttle). Small, good air circulation and you can stick in a dual core P4 or AMD chip. Also, most mini-itx cases don't have great air flow - stick two processors and a drive in there and either you have heat problems or you need more air movement/fans which ups the noise level. For modest use, I'm sure the mini-itxs would be nice but I would be reluctant to put a few users browsing Flash web sites. The LAN party cases often are of aluminum and have handles, we built one as a test and it's serving about 12 desktops without issue - It has an AMD 3500 and a 10K SATA drive - Kids love its looks. Regards, William On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:47:19 -0500 > From: Daniel Loomis > Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <444A7A37.9050106 at cox-internet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Has anyone tried setting up one of the new Via VT-310DP dual cpu > mini-itx motherboards as a small, low-power, quiet server for a > portable > workgroup? While its dual 1000mHz C3 processors could not compete > with > a dual Xeon or Opteron server, it could be installed in a small case > and > used to support basic office functions for a group of four or five. > With addition of a four-port pci NIC, it would not even need a > switch--just bridge the four ethernet ports into one br0, add clients > and you are good to go. > > It would make a dandy demo system to take on the road, all in a > package > the size of a thin client. > > Dan From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 24 13:35:41 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:35:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorrent client for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> References: <444AFF63.9050902@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <444CD42D.10705@maltzen.net> I just used Yum Extended (yumex) to install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui on a 4.2 server. After that, clicking on a torrent (I was pulling down CentOS) automatically fed the torrent address to bittorrent-gui (which I *may* have started running first before clicking on the torrent link, can't remember exactly). Petre Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I want to download a VMware virtual machine that is only available as a > bittorrent. > How can I use bittorrents with K12LTSP4.2 ? > I have tried downloading Bittorrent (original) and Azureus, but had > problems. I can't figure out how to start Bittorrent and Azureus won't > install. > > Krsnendu dasa > > PS. I am planning to upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0 in a few weeks when it > becomes stable and when I have time. The local device feature and faster > boot time sound great! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 24 14:23:18 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:23:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 Message-ID: Anyone out there doing NWEA Testing with K12LTSP (linux) and/or MS Terminal Server 2003. Our district is looking at using the NWEA and unfortunately (actually fortunately) all I have in my lab is K12LTSP terminals, but they do have the ability to connect to the Windows Terminal Server. Anyone with any experience doing this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Apr 24 14:24:47 2006 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:24:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I need to test it also. I remember talking to Jeff Wheeler about it. Not sure if he said it had worked, or it should work. I will check with him also thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 24 14:35:20 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 24, 2006 at 10:24 AM +0000 wrote: >I need to test it also. I remember talking to Jeff Wheeler about it. Not >sure if he said it had worked, or it should work. >I will check with him also Lemme know your results.... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 24 14:35:20 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 24, 2006 at 10:24 AM +0000 wrote: >I need to test it also. I remember talking to Jeff Wheeler about it. Not >sure if he said it had worked, or it should work. >I will check with him also Lemme know your results.... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Apr 24 14:58:41 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:58:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1145890722.21095.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dave, You'll be fine with testing via the Windows Terminal Server. -Paul On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 10:23 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Anyone out there doing NWEA Testing with K12LTSP (linux) and/or MS > Terminal Server 2003. Our district is looking at using the NWEA and > unfortunately (actually fortunately) all I have in my lab is K12LTSP > terminals, but they do have the ability to connect to the Windows Terminal > Server. Anyone with any experience doing this? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Apr 24 15:23:04 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:23:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Minor Bug in K12_5, updating to current beta Message-ID: <444CED58.4090205@saskforestcentre.ca> I was just doing a yum -y upgrade, and it kack'd up a hairball on me... It complained that a package was not available (perl(GSSAPI) ) to satisfy the requirements of perl-authentication-SASL. The SASL package it required by k12ltsp-utils. I deleted the SASL package, just because I could. It removed the utils package, but not of the other packages installed to satisfy it. Dead-boring i386 install of K12 Beta from early April- no tomfoolery here. Angus Carr. ps. No, I don't need the software in question. It's just in the way of a clean update... :-) From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 24 15:27:53 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:27:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: <1145890722.21095.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1145890722.21095.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, April 24, 2006 at 10:58 AM +0000 wrote: >Dave, > >You'll be fine with testing via the Windows Terminal Server. > >-Paul Is there much issue with sound? I've never set eyes on the test so I'm curious. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 24 15:55:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:55:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Minor Bug in K12_5, updating to current beta In-Reply-To: <444CED58.4090205@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <444CED58.4090205@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <444CF4FE.9040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > I was just doing a yum -y upgrade, and it kack'd up a hairball on me... > > It complained that a package was not available (perl(GSSAPI) ) to > satisfy the requirements of perl-authentication-SASL. The SASL package > it required by k12ltsp-utils. > > I deleted the SASL package, just because I could. It removed the utils > package, but not of the other packages installed to satisfy it. > > Dead-boring i386 install of K12 Beta from early April- no tomfoolery here. > > Angus Carr. > > ps. No, I don't need the software in question. It's just in the way of a > clean update... :-) > I had just finished fixing this ;-) On my laptop I had to do a "yum clean all" to clear out the cache before it picked up the missing dependency. -Eric From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Apr 24 16:25:33 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:25:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta machine) and it still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module (as before). If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes graphical at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. Angus. Jim McQuillan wrote: > Angus, > > Can you try: XSERVER = i810 > > I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist > file for some of the i810 chipsets. > > I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Angus Carr wrote: >> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >> >> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to text >> mode, reporting X has failed. >> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from >> the default background. >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> >>>> Roy, >>>> >>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, >>>> and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, >>>> so he may not have that fix yet. >>> >>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to >>> test >>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the >>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>> >>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>> >>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting >>>> your client. >>>> >>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roy wrote: >>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>>> thing and the >>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will >>>>> have to set >>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>>> always >>>>> worked before. >>>>> >>>>> Roy >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>> >>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>> >>>>> share... >>>>> >>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on >>>>> right >>>>> now ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One >>>>>> day, I >>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN >>>>>> behind >>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a >>>>>> numbered >>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good to hear. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what >>>>>> to do >>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>>> Untested, but >>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>> >>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I >>>>>> appreciate it as >>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Eric From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Mon Apr 24 16:51:54 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:51:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing OpenOffice default saves In-Reply-To: <20060424160026.0A6BC73893@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I hope this helps you to figure out to globally change the way OpenOffice saves files. Changing the Default File Saving Format. This is good information. It would be nice if there was a simple switch or tickbox during installation for this however I have modified the files and created a simple batch file to copy them to the Open Office installation directory. Just to recap, edit the following files in the C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup directory Edit the following lines in setup-writer.xcu (this same default filter line appears twice in this file) MS Word 97 setup-calc.xcu MS Excel 97 setup-impress.xcu MS PowerPoint 97 Note that on Linux the important files to be tweaked are: Setup-writer.xcu Setup-calc.xcu Setup-impress.xcu Remember Linux is case sensitive. An easy way to find the location of these files on Linux is to isssue the 'locate' command. $ locate 'Setup-writer.xcu' Don "Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape"--Anonymous Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 24 17:07:26 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:07:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch OpenOffice's default file format In-Reply-To: <200604231542.50894.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200604231542.50894.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <444D05CE.9000204@mesd.k12.or.us> John Hansknecht wrote: > I notice with the 4.4.1 version of K12LTSP based on Fedora 4 that OpenOffice > 2.0 defaults for each new users to saving files in Microsoft Office format. > Does anyone know how I go about change this to default to OpenOffice 1.0 > format? What about Open Document format? The change happens via /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh You can reverse the patches with something like this: BASE=/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup PATCHES=/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/patches patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-calc-xls.patch patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-impress-ppt.patch patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-writer-doc.patch -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 17:32:58 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:32:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Frog is like EasyUbuntu Message-ID: Wondering if this script might help k12ltsp. It looks a lot like EasyUbuntu script http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Mon Apr 24 18:08:43 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Frog is like EasyUbuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1145902123.3146.15.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 10:32 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Wondering if this script might help k12ltsp. It looks a lot like > EasyUbuntu script > > http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog It's generally a bad idea to mix repositories in the manner that this script does. It can cause problems with updating packages that exist in multiple repositories at a later date. However, the script can give you ideas on how to get these things installed. You just should be aware of them so that you will understand what to fix when you run into broken dependencies later. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Apr 24 18:34:51 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:34:51 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Switch OpenOffice's default file format In-Reply-To: <444D05CE.9000204@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200604231542.50894.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <444D05CE.9000204@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604241434.52104.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Monday 24 April 2006 13:07, Dan Young wrote: > John Hansknecht wrote: > > I notice with the 4.4.1 version of K12LTSP based on Fedora 4 that > > OpenOffice 2.0 defaults for each new users to saving files in Microsoft > > Office format. Does anyone know how I go about change this to default to > > OpenOffice 1.0 format? What about Open Document format? > > The change happens via > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > > You can reverse the patches with something like this: > > BASE=/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup > PATCHES=/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/patches > patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-calc-xls.patch > patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-impress-ppt.patch > patch -p0 -R < $PATCHES/oo-writer-doc.patch Thanks Dan, I believe I can figure out the above fine, but does anyone know the codes I would use to switch the default file formats to OpenOffice 1.0 formats instead of OpenDocument formats? -- Thanks, John From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 24 19:10:21 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:21 -0700 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Switch OpenOffice's default file format In-Reply-To: <200604241434.52104.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200604231542.50894.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <444D05CE.9000204@mesd.k12.or.us> <200604241434.52104.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <444D229D.2030102@mesd.k12.or.us> John Hansknecht wrote: > I believe I can figure out the above fine, but does anyone know the codes I > would use to switch the default file formats to OpenOffice 1.0 formats > instead of OpenDocument formats? Should be: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup/Setup-writer.xcu: StarOffice XML (Writer) /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup/Setup-calc.xcu: StarOffice XML (Calc) /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup/Setup-impress.xcu: StarOffice XML (Impress) -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 04:59:30 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: On my i810 box, setting the X video ram to 16M does the trick: X_VIDEORAM = 16384 -Eric On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: > Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta machine) and it > still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module (as before). > > If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes graphical > at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. > > Angus. > > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Angus, >> >> Can you try: XSERVER = i810 >> >> I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist file for >> some of the i810 chipsets. >> >> I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Angus Carr wrote: >>> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >>> >>> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to text mode, >>> reporting X has failed. >>> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from the >>> default background. >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Roy, >>>>> >>>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev rules >>>>> that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 driver >>>>> requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an updated LTSP >>>>> package for that. I think this was fixed last friday, and I don't know >>>>> if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP sources, so he may not have that >>>>> fix yet. >>>> >>>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance to test >>>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match the >>>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>>> >>>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>>> >>>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting your >>>>> client. >>>>> >>>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>>> >>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Roy wrote: >>>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa thing and >>>>>> the >>>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will have to >>>>>> set >>>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 always >>>>>> worked before. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roy >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>>> >>>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>>> >>>>>> share... >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which isn't a >>>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working on right >>>>>> now ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and that >>>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. One day, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet LAN >>>>>>> behind >>>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a numbered >>>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good to hear. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what to do >>>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. Untested, but >>>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>>> >>>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I appreciate it >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 25 12:25:57 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:25:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <444E1555.6090707@McQuil.com> Eric, As I understand it, the i810 chipset steals ram from the system. Setting your X_VIDEORAM to 16384 is going to take 16mb that could have been used for running programs. Have you tried a smaller value, such as 2048, 3072 or 4096 ? As I said earlier, my client with an i810 chipset didn't have any problems, and I didn't specify an X_VIDEORAM setting. It makes me wonder if there's something broken in Xorg 6.9.0 that wasn't broken back in Xorg 6.8.2. I'll take a peek at the driver code between the two versions. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Eric Harrison wrote: > > On my i810 box, setting the X video ram to 16M does the trick: > > X_VIDEORAM = 16384 > > -Eric > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: > >> Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta >> machine) and it still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module >> (as before). >> >> If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes >> graphical at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. >> >> Angus. >> >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> Angus, >>> >>> Can you try: XSERVER = i810 >>> >>> I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist >>> file for some of the i810 chipsets. >>> >>> I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >>>> >>>> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to >>>> text mode, reporting X has failed. >>>> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from >>>> the default background. >>>> >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Roy, >>>>>> >>>>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>>>>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>>>>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>>>>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last >>>>>> friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP >>>>>> sources, so he may not have that fix yet. >>>>> >>>>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance >>>>> to test >>>>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match >>>>> the >>>>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>>>> >>>>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting >>>>>> your client. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Roy wrote: >>>>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>>>>> thing and the >>>>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will >>>>>>> have to set >>>>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> worked before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>>>>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> share... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which >>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working >>>>>>> on right >>>>>>> now ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. >>>>>>>> One day, I >>>>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet >>>>>>>> LAN behind >>>>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a >>>>>>>> numbered >>>>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good to hear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what >>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>>>>> Untested, but >>>>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I >>>>>>>> appreciate it as >>>>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 25 13:09:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:09:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp Message-ID: <444E1F7D.10606@maltzen.net> I tried to run yum update on one of my 4.4.1 servers but today I started getting this error: Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp ...and then it quits. Did something change in the repos? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 14:59:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:59:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <444E1F7D.10606@maltzen.net> References: <444E1F7D.10606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <444E3942.5030807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I tried to run yum update on one of my 4.4.1 servers but today I started > getting this error: > > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > > ...and then it quits. Did something change in the repos? > > Petre > The server crashed late last night. It's back online now. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 15:10:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:10:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: <444E1555.6090707@McQuil.com> References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> <444E1555.6090707@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <444E3BEC.9040007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > As I understand it, the i810 chipset steals ram from the system. > Setting your X_VIDEORAM to 16384 is going to take 16mb that could have > been used for running programs. > > Have you tried a smaller value, such as 2048, 3072 or 4096 ? I had tested as low as 3072. 4096 & 8192 worked fine as well, of course. I didn't try 2048. -Eric > As I said earlier, my client with an i810 chipset didn't have any > problems, and I didn't specify an X_VIDEORAM setting. It makes me > wonder if there's something broken in Xorg 6.9.0 that wasn't broken back > in Xorg 6.8.2. I'll take a peek at the driver code between the two > versions. > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> On my i810 box, setting the X video ram to 16M does the trick: >> >> X_VIDEORAM = 16384 >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: >> >>> Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta >>> machine) and it still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module >>> (as before). >>> >>> If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes >>> graphical at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. >>> >>> Angus. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>> Angus, >>>> >>>> Can you try: XSERVER = i810 >>>> >>>> I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist >>>> file for some of the i810 chipsets. >>>> >>>> I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >>>>> >>>>> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to >>>>> text mode, reporting X has failed. >>>>> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from >>>>> the default background. >>>>> >>>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>>>>>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>>>>>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>>>>>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last >>>>>>> friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP >>>>>>> sources, so he may not have that fix yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance >>>>>> to test >>>>>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match >>>>>> the >>>>>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting >>>>>>> your client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy wrote: >>>>>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>>>>>> thing and the >>>>>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will >>>>>>>> have to set >>>>>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> worked before. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> share... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which >>>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working >>>>>>>> on right >>>>>>>> now ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. >>>>>>>>> One day, I >>>>>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet >>>>>>>>> LAN behind >>>>>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a >>>>>>>>> numbered >>>>>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good to hear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what >>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>>>>>> Untested, but >>>>>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I >>>>>>>>> appreciate it as >>>>>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Eric >> From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 25 15:53:47 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:53:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Blogs on Open Source in Education Message-ID: I'm interested in knowing who who is blogging on the topic of Free and Open Source Software in education, even if it's not the primary focus of their blog. I'm trying to list them on my blog (see the sidebar), and also to capture their FOSS posts and related news stories into a single feed. If you are aware of any, could you email them to me? My blog: www.k12opensource.com My blog feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/K12OpenSource Feed for blog postings and news stories on FOSS in education: http://feeds.feedburner.com/opensourceposts -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Apr 25 16:01:51 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Corrupted RPM DB Message-ID: <444E47EF.4050609@saskforestcentre.ca> Here's an odd one for the list: I have a corrupted RPM DB. I think it's getting in the way of my yum updates. RPM operations fail. All of them. I decided to try to correct the problem, following http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* rpm --rebuilddb The rm works, but the rebuilt db does not. It ends up flashing garbage to the terminal. Any clues or suggestions? Angus Carr. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Apr 25 16:07:14 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:07:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Fedora 4 to see past wireless router? In-Reply-To: <20060422160021.343E67368B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060422160021.343E67368B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1145981234.1057.6.camel@phoenix.hhp> Dan, What do you get on the Fedora Core system when you run "route" on the command line? Do you get a line that says: default 0.0.0.0 ........ etc? Also, are you connected via ethernet or wireless to the router? Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:40 -0400 > From: "Dan Hopson" > Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Fedora 4 to see past wireless router? > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hello All, > > I need some help...Here's the situation: I have a PC that dual boots > to XP > and Fedora. I am using a Linksys DI-524 router to share my cable > modem > service. XP sees the router and can access the net. Fedora can see > and > communicate with the router but can't connect to the net. Is it even > possible for the router to work with XP and Fedora? Do I need the > static IP > address from my cable modem and set this up in Fedora? Thanks. > > Dan in NC > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on the wiring, I get a) connected to the internet without being authenticated or, b) not connected or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, which I'd rather not do) prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever connecting; if I cancel the prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use the Web. Grrrrrrr! Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in a setting like mine who can show me the error of my IT ways? The help would, as always, be greatly appreciated. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 16:38:12 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:38:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604251234.28646.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200604251234.28646.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444E5074.3000903@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > Hi to all. > > I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've installed the latest > version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I can't get it to work. > > Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect my LAN and DMZ. The > interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 > (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box the address > 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe I have everything > configured correctly. Censornet finds and configures the 3COM nics. I've > tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, router private > interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. Depending on the wiring, I get > a) connected to the internet without being authenticated or, b) not connected > or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, which I'd rather not do) > prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever connecting; if I cancel the > prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use the Web. Grrrrrrr! > > Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in a setting like mine who > can show me the error of my IT ways? The help would, as always, be greatly > appreciated. > > Dimitri > Have you posted on the Censornet Forums ?? There is a lot of very knowledgeable people on there ? Also have you added the machines to the censornet box that you're trying to connect from, added users etc ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 25 16:47:29 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Anyone Doing Training on Open Source Software in Education Message-ID: Another resource I am interested in tracking is any individual or organization doing training on Free and Open Source software in education. Please let me know who you are aware is doing this. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Apr 25 16:52:02 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:52:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' Message-ID: <200604251252.02888.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, I would like to remove from the menu's some of the sections (Settings, System), I know how to remove the sections from the /etc/xdg/menu files however when I do this all of the applications that were on that menu end up in the 'Lost & Found', does anyone know an easy way to disable this so they applications don't show in 'Lost & Found' or is my only choice to remove (or edit) the .desktop files from /usr/share/applications or /usr/share/applications/kde? -- Thanks, John From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Apr 25 16:55:20 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:55:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.4.1 Question on KDE panel menu Message-ID: <200604251255.20990.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, Using the KDE desktop, I would like the web browser launch button on the panel to launch firefox instead of KDE. I tried editing the redhat-web.desktop menu file from /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches to launch firefox but that didn't change the result when clicking on the launch button (I.E. still launched Konqueror). Does anyone know how to change the effect of this button? -- Thanks, John From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 16:54:41 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' Message-ID: <9976025.4241145984081251.JavaMail.root@mail> You're kind of going at this sideways. Fire up kiosktool, choose to edit the default profile, click KDE Menu, and click Setup Component. You can choose to enable or ignore the restrictions offered, but the main thing is to click the "Setup KDE Menu" button - this will ask you for root password and start up the KDE Menu Editor. Back in the olden days, I used to edit k-menus by hand too. Now I don't bother. Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hansknecht To: listserv K12OSN Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:52:02 AM GMT-0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' Hi folks, I would like to remove from the menu's some of the sections (Settings, System), I know how to remove the sections from the /etc/xdg/menu files however when I do this all of the applications that were on that menu end up in the 'Lost & Found', does anyone know an easy way to disable this so they applications don't show in 'Lost & Found' or is my only choice to remove (or edit) the .desktop files from /usr/share/applications or /usr/share/applications/kde? -- Thanks, John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 16:57:01 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.4.1 Question on KDE panel menu Message-ID: <12440551.4301145984221079.JavaMail.root@mail> Remove the redhat thing entirely and replace it with /opt/kde3/share/config/default/MozillaFirefox.desktop ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hansknecht To: listserv K12OSN Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:55:20 AM GMT-0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.4.1 Question on KDE panel menu Hi folks, Using the KDE desktop, I would like the web browser launch button on the panel to launch firefox instead of KDE. I tried editing the redhat-web.desktop menu file from /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches to launch firefox but that didn't change the result when clicking on the launch button (I.E. still launched Konqueror). Does anyone know how to change the effect of this button? -- Thanks, John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Apr 25 17:09:30 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <444E5074.3000903@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <200604251234.28646.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444E5074.3000903@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200604251309.30381.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday April 25 2006 12:38 pm, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > Hi to all. > > > > I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've installed the latest > > version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I can't get it to work. > > > > Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect my LAN and DMZ. The > > interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 > > (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box the address > > 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe I have everything > > configured correctly. Censornet finds and configures the 3COM nics. > > I've tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, router private > > interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. Depending on the wiring, I > > get a) connected to the internet without being authenticated or, b) not > > connected or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, which I'd > > rather not do) prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever > > connecting; if I cancel the prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization > > to use the Web. Grrrrrrr! > > > > Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in a setting like mine > > who can show me the error of my IT ways? The help would, as always, be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Dimitri > > Have you posted on the Censornet Forums ?? There is a lot of very > knowledgeable people on there ? > > Also have you added the machines to the censornet box that you're trying to > connect from, added users etc ?? > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Brian, I have, with no results. It's not a very active forum. Dimitri -- Dimitri Yioulos, CIO First 1 Financial Corporation 600 Cordwainer Dr. Norwell, MA 02061 781-871-4220 x1007 dyioulos at firstbhph.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From scott at hosef.org Tue Apr 25 19:09:07 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:09:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Community + eWaste = HOPE Message-ID: <444E73D3.7010501@hosef.org> Aloha Folks Most of you know, and for those of you who don't, we(HOSEF) do our best to harness the power of the community to turn ewaste into hope. HOPE to me has become Helping Other People Excel, and by golly it just keeps getting better. I cannot change the world with sweat and code as Jim, Eric, and the rest of the Beloved Developers do. My back, my truck, and my own sweat can, however. I've uploaded a few pretty decent videos showing what we do, why, and how. Take a gander if you will. This one is from a television program hosted by the University of Hawaii's CIO, David Lassner. We set up a thin client email garden for telecom executives attending a rather major conference in Hawaii. Two years in a row - ubiquitous. David talked about us: High Tech Hawaii TV http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2217971194216295291 With computers we do not donate to schools and non-profits as part of our Gnu Linux Edutainment Learning Centers, we channel them through Computer Guts. 5 levels. In the process kids dis-assemble and re-assemble a computer twice, learn the components, install software, and type and essay. Upon Graduation, they take it home forever: Computer Guts http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2921718538782783994 A camera crew from our public access channel come to where I work once a week. When they have time they give a yutz like me time on the TV. Unrehearsed, unscripted, and no takes. I am always willing. Capitol Commentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5645516194085922921 --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Apr 25 18:56:51 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:56:51 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20k12ltsp=205beta2=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?details?= Message-ID: Here's my 2 cents. We have ASUS p4p800-VM machines that use i810 style video card. We had to modify the BIOS settings for the video ram. Here are the values that are set: Onboard video memory = Enabled, 8 MB Graphics Aperture size = 64 MB Hope this helps. >>> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us 2006-04-25 11:10:36 >>> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > As I understand it, the i810 chipset steals ram from the system. > Setting your X_VIDEORAM to 16384 is going to take 16mb that could have > been used for running programs. > > Have you tried a smaller value, such as 2048, 3072 or 4096 ? I had tested as low as 3072. 4096 & 8192 worked fine as well, of course. I didn't try 2048. -Eric > As I said earlier, my client with an i810 chipset didn't have any > problems, and I didn't specify an X_VIDEORAM setting. It makes me > wonder if there's something broken in Xorg 6.9.0 that wasn't broken back > in Xorg 6.8.2. I'll take a peek at the driver code between the two > versions. > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> On my i810 box, setting the X video ram to 16M does the trick: >> >> X_VIDEORAM = 16384 >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: >> >>> Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta >>> machine) and it still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module >>> (as before). >>> >>> If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes >>> graphical at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. >>> >>> Angus. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>> Angus, >>>> >>>> Can you try: XSERVER = i810 >>>> >>>> I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist >>>> file for some of the i810 chipsets. >>>> >>>> I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. >>>> >>>> Jim McQuillan >>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >>>>> >>>>> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to >>>>> text mode, reporting X has failed. >>>>> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from >>>>> the default background. >>>>> >>>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>>>>>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>>>>>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>>>>>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last >>>>>>> friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP >>>>>>> sources, so he may not have that fix yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance >>>>>> to test >>>>>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match >>>>>> the >>>>>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting >>>>>>> your client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy wrote: >>>>>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>>>>>> thing and the >>>>>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will >>>>>>>> have to set >>>>>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> worked before. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> share... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which >>>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working >>>>>>>> on right >>>>>>>> now ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. >>>>>>>>> One day, I >>>>>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet >>>>>>>>> LAN behind >>>>>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a >>>>>>>>> numbered >>>>>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good to hear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what >>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>>>>>> Untested, but >>>>>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I >>>>>>>>> appreciate it as >>>>>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Eric >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Apr 25 19:39:41 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:39:41 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' In-Reply-To: <9976025.4241145984081251.JavaMail.root@mail> References: <9976025.4241145984081251.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <200604251539.41528.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 25 April 2006 12:54, Mike Ely wrote: > You're kind of going at this sideways. Fire up kiosktool, choose to edit > the default profile, click KDE Menu, and click Setup Component. You can > choose to enable or ignore the restrictions offered, but the main thing is > to click the "Setup KDE Menu" button - this will ask you for root password > and start up the KDE Menu Editor. > Hmmmm... I ran the kiosktool, edited the menu and then assigned it to one of my user accounts AND .... nothing, the menu changes I made did not appear when I logged on with that user account. Any special steps to getting the new profiles to work? Also, I tried to use the kiosktool to edit the panel but the screen when berserk, the panel slid across the screen from the bottom and disappeared off the top of the screen. I had to log off and back on before my screen returned to normal and was not able to edit the panel. -- Thanks, John From william at fragakis.com Tue Apr 25 19:43:16 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:43:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? Message-ID: <1145994196.31241.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> any thoughts? We need to buy a couple of dozen. I know what I'd get for home use but wondering what others experiences are for school use. We have 15" (1024 x 768) in our lab which seem to work fine and many of our old CRTs are 800 x 600. For k-5, would 1280 X 1024 help or just be a superfluous expense? regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 19:48:39 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' Message-ID: <5200259.4681145994519520.JavaMail.root@mail> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hansknecht To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:39:41 PM GMT-0800 Subject: Re: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 controling KDE 'Lost & Found' On Tuesday 25 April 2006 12:54, Mike Ely wrote: > You're kind of going at this sideways. Fire up kiosktool, choose to edit > the default profile, click KDE Menu, and click Setup Component. You can > choose to enable or ignore the restrictions offered, but the main thing is > to click the "Setup KDE Menu" button - this will ask you for root password > and start up the KDE Menu Editor. > Hmmmm... I ran the kiosktool, edited the menu and then assigned it to one of my user accounts AND .... nothing, the menu changes I made did not appear when I logged on with that user account. Any special steps to getting the new profiles to work? You have to either create a new account or recreate the accounts you want to have this work with. Also, I tried to use the kiosktool to edit the panel but the screen when berserk, the panel slid across the screen from the bottom and disappeared off the top of the screen. I had to log off and back on before my screen returned to normal and was not able to edit the panel. Yikes. No idea. Mike From robark at gmail.com Tue Apr 25 20:07:04 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:07:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <1145994196.31241.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1145994196.31241.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/25/06, William Fragakis wrote: > any thoughts? We need to buy a couple of dozen. I know what I'd get for > home use but wondering what others experiences are for school use. We > have 15" (1024 x 768) in our lab which seem to work fine and many of our > old CRTs are 800 x 600. For k-5, would 1280 X 1024 help or just be a > superfluous expense? native res on 17" is 1280x1024 so you will have a little more X traffic on eth0 plus if you want 24bit color you need to make sure your video cards have enough ram (4MB min). But 17" LCDs are so cheap now it's almost not worth buying a 15". -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 20:20:35 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:20:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Corrupted RPM DB In-Reply-To: <444E47EF.4050609@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <444E47EF.4050609@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <444E8493.50900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > Here's an odd one for the list: > > I have a corrupted RPM DB. I think it's getting in the way of my yum > updates. > > RPM operations fail. All of them. > > I decided to try to correct the problem, following > http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* > rpm --rebuilddb > > The rm works, but the rebuilt db does not. It ends up flashing garbage > to the terminal. > > Any clues or suggestions? > > Angus Carr. > There are a number of other suggestions further down on the link you posted (http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb). First and foremost is backups. Do you have good backups? (you should!) If so, restore /var/lib/rpm/ to a known good copy. I have tested the dump & restore trick: cd /var/lib/rpm /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_verify Packages If there are any errors, repair by doing mv Packages Packages-ORIG /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_dump Packages-ORIG | \ /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_load Packages -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Apr 25 20:21:43 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:21:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem Message-ID: I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 When I attempt to start Totem video player the player window will appear on the monitor screen for about 1 second then it blinks out and is replaced by an error message that says - Totem could not start up Resource busy or not available. Any assistance in resolving this problem would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Pat From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 25 20:29:22 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:29:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 > When I attempt to start Totem video player the player window will appear > on the monitor screen for about 1 second then it blinks out and is > replaced by an error message that says - Totem could not start up > Resource busy or not available. Go to System, Preferences, More Preferences, Multimedia Systems Selector, and change the Audio Default Output to ESD. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Apr 25 20:30:29 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:30:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company Message-ID: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Hello List, I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP desktop. No back ups. I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here recommend a vendor for data recovery? Thanks, John From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 25 20:44:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:44:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <444E8A21.4030205@maltzen.net> www.ontrack.com John Baillie wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Apr 25 20:54:52 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:54:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <464c38cc0604251354x79eb3766r9c7aec6b08005d0f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.drivesavers.com/ I have had good luck with them. On 4/25/06, John Baillie wrote: > > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rusty at enveloptech.com Tue Apr 25 21:11:33 2006 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:11:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B5044@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Here is a link to a software product that I have used. It's called Recover My Files. It may sound a little cheesy, but believe me, I have used a few of these so-called recovery programs but none of them have impressed me like this one. It can even recover files from a partition that has been formatted -- and yes, it does work. I was able to recover all the files from a partition that I had deleted (because I at least had the good sense to not write to the drive after deleting the partition). The main consideration is not to install the software to the drive where you want to recover the files from. You need a second drive to recover the files anyway (you can't save the recovered files to the same drive as the drive from which the files are being recovered). You can download a trial version of the software. It will show all the files that it can recover, but to actually recover them you have to buy the software. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Baillie Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:30 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company Hello List, I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP desktop. No back ups. I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here recommend a vendor for data recovery? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Apr 25 23:07:19 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:07:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <444EABA7.2050902@chinooksedge.ab.ca> install the drive in as a slave drive in another computer .... Use VirtualLab online http://www.binarybiz.com/vlab/ I used this very successfully when a school principals laptop was reformated by Compaq when sent away for service. She had her entire Masters studies on that laptop without another copy anywhere. I was able to recover ALL of it. :-))) You scan the harddrive, and then pay for quota depending on how much data you need to recover. Highly recommended Joe Guenther John Baillie wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:444e87c336531375520252! > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 25 23:13:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:13:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: References: <1145994196.31241.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 at 4:07 PM +0000 wrote: >On 4/25/06, William Fragakis wrote: >> any thoughts? We need to buy a couple of dozen. I know what I'd get for >> home use but wondering what others experiences are for school use. We >> have 15" (1024 x 768) in our lab which seem to work fine and many of our >> old CRTs are 800 x 600. For k-5, would 1280 X 1024 help or just be a >> superfluous expense? > >native res on 17" is 1280x1024 so you will have a little more X >traffic on eth0 plus if you want 24bit color you need to make sure >your video cards have enough ram (4MB min). But 17" LCDs are so cheap >now it's almost not worth buying a 15". >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I have a bunch of Acer 15" LCD monitors....they work great in my K12LTSP lab. Since the kids only sit in front of them for 40 mins or so at a time....bigger ones would only take up more space and $$$. I got the Acers for $179 apc. a year or so ago. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 23:36:28 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604251234.28646.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Hi to all. > > I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've > installed the latest > version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I > can't get it to work. > > Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect > my LAN and DMZ. The > interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, > 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 > (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box > the address > 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe > I have everything > configured correctly. Censornet finds and > configures the 3COM nics. I've > tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, > router private > interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. > Depending on the wiring, I get > a) connected to the internet without being > authenticated or, b) not connected > or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, > which I'd rather not do) > prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever > connecting; if I cancel the > prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use > the Web. Grrrrrrr! > > Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in > a setting like mine who > can show me the error of my IT ways? The help > would, as always, be greatly > appreciated. > > Dimitri > Dimitri, Along with checking the Censornet forums, have you also tried their FAQ? (http://www.censornet.com/faq/) Have you tried to access the Internet directly from the Censornet box itself, to make sure it can access the Internet okay? We're not yet using the latest version of Censornet, but at least with ours, you DO have to set the proxy address and port information in web browsers. (Though with K12LTSP, I can just set that once in all.js rather than every individual PC.) By default, Censornet expects web browsers to connect to it on port 8080 (in your case, 192.168.100.14:8080). When the browser first connects, you'll be prompted for a username & password. Here you enter a username & password created through Censornet web-based admin interface. If you just press cancel instead (your option (c) I think), then it will deny web access to that computer. That's the way Censornet is designed to work... it's an authenticating proxy with filtering. Much of its web-access restrictions and reporting are based on usernames. Brian mentioned the Censornet forums. I believe that in the past, setting up transparent proxy-based filtering has been often discussed on their forums. In short, Censornet isn't designed to do that, though it can be "hacked" to make it work that way. I hope this helps! David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 00:47:24 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:47:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560604251747r7076fcd7v6f439224f3c0d984@mail.gmail.com> R-studio has saved my butt time and again. Peter On 4/25/06, John Baillie wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Apr 26 01:17:42 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:17:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <444ECA36.5050103@independence.k12.ia.us> I have successfully used a product called restore2kpro for years. I believe when I first purchased it, it was roughly $30....one of the best software utilities I've ever purchased. I have successfully recovered data from formatted NTFS drives on numerous occassions. I would also suggest booting to another XP machine, and connecting the damaged drive to your additional machine for maximum recovery results. HTH, Brad John Baillie wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Apr 26 03:18:35 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:18:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange behavior with eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <444EE68B.9070904@cox-internet.com> I have a fresh install of k12ltsp-5.0 on a test server with all the latest yum updates as of 04-25-06. The server is a Tyan S2460 dual cpu MB with 2 x 1800 athlon-mp cpus and 512mb memory. With only eth1 connected to the outgoing router, everything comes up ok. But when I connect eth0 to a switch and connect thin clients to that switch, eth0 comes up as 192.168.0.250 instead of 192.168.0.254 as setup in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. Also, when eth0 is connected to the switch eth1 fails to come up, but will do so when, after boot up, I issue a commandline: ifup eth1. If I turn off the switch connected to eth0, everything comes up as it should: eth0 192.168.0.254 and eth1 as 192.168.1.254. This is a new one on me. I've never seen such behavior before with a default k12ltsp install. I have tried the following combinations of ethernet cards: eth1: 3c905-cx tm eth0: 3c905-cx tm, 3c905b-nm, & a DLink NIC using the 8139 chip. It does not seem to matter which NIC I use in eth0. If the switch is active on eth0, I get the wrong ip address on eth0. There is no dhcp running on the 192.168.0.0 subnet. Replacing the switch on the 192.168.0.0 subnet with an old 10base-T hub makes no difference. Suggestions for debugging this problem would be most appreciated. Dan From dalen at czexan.net Wed Apr 26 02:57:02 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for Data recovery company In-Reply-To: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> References: <444E86E5.8040103@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <444EE17E.5090902@czexan.net> John Baillie wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a friend that had some very important files deleted from her XP > desktop. No back ups. > I instructed her to shut down the machine until I look into it. > > I fear the worse for her. Assuming I am correct, can anyone here > recommend a vendor for data recovery? I would consider making a read only backup of the ntfs partition with ntfsclone. See http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ for docs and rpms. From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Apr 26 09:17:54 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:17:54 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: References: <1145994196.31241.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604260917.54836.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 25 Apr 2006 20:07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/25/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > any thoughts? We need to buy a couple of dozen. I know what I'd get for > > home use but wondering what others experiences are for school use. We > > have 15" (1024 x 768) in our lab which seem to work fine and many of our > > old CRTs are 800 x 600. For k-5, would 1280 X 1024 help or just be a > > superfluous expense? > > native res on 17" is 1280x1024 so you will have a little more X > traffic on eth0 plus if you want 24bit color you need to make sure > your video cards have enough ram (4MB min). But 17" LCDs are so cheap > now it's almost not worth buying a 15". Agreed. I think that is was cheaper for us to buy 17" than 15" but then we did buy 100 in one go. This was an impressive day and I wish I'd had a camera to hand. A huge semi-trailer arrived and backed up the narrow road along side of the school. The two pallets would have easily fitted into a small van but the delivery company didn't have one (apparently). We grabbed a few of the boys and carried them into the IT block in the pouring rain. A couple of weeks later, I had them all deployed and a stack of assorted 17" CRT monitors to get rid off. LCDs are much easier to store! Here is a piccy of them stacked up in the classroom www.openhgs.org.uk/albums/techsupp/out2.jpeg -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Apr 26 12:22:57 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:22:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444F6621.1060903@msad3.org> Dimitri, I was playing with censornet yesterday and was having the same type of issues. This is what cured mine. At the CCT after original setup; I did a lan probe of workstations I imported my users from active directory I reset the admin area and that took care of getting into the web interface, granting it is enabled in the initial setup along with the access passwords. 1 screwup I had was I had the NICs backwards. Even though I was in bridge mode the iptables still looks at which nic is which as far as internal and external. Something I'm going to check on and maybe some already has, is using iptables/ebtables to port forward 80 traffic to port 8080. I came across this web site that talks about it. http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1433/ Go to the section on transparent redirection. I replaced 3128 with 8080. HTH Mark David Whitmer wrote: >> Hi to all. >> >> I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've >> installed the latest >> version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I >> can't get it to work. >> >> Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect >> my LAN and DMZ. The >> interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, >> 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 >> (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box >> the address >> 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe >> I have everything >> configured correctly. Censornet finds and >> configures the 3COM nics. I've >> tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, >> router private >> interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. >> Depending on the wiring, I get >> a) connected to the internet without being >> authenticated or, b) not connected >> or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, >> which I'd rather not do) >> prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever >> connecting; if I cancel the >> prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use >> the Web. Grrrrrrr! >> >> Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in >> a setting like mine who >> can show me the error of my IT ways? The help >> would, as always, be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Dimitri >> >> > > Dimitri, > > Along with checking the Censornet forums, have you > also tried their FAQ? (http://www.censornet.com/faq/) > > Have you tried to access the Internet directly from > the Censornet box itself, to make sure it can access > the Internet okay? > > We're not yet using the latest version of Censornet, > but at least with ours, you DO have to set the proxy > address and port information in web browsers. (Though > with K12LTSP, I can just set that once in all.js > rather than every individual PC.) > > By default, Censornet expects web browsers to connect > to it on port 8080 (in your case, > 192.168.100.14:8080). When the browser first > connects, you'll be prompted for a username & > password. Here you enter a username & password > created through Censornet web-based admin interface. > If you just press cancel instead (your option (c) I > think), then it will deny web access to that computer. > That's the way Censornet is designed to work... it's > an authenticating proxy with filtering. Much of its > web-access restrictions and reporting are based on > usernames. > > Brian mentioned the Censornet forums. I believe that > in the past, setting up transparent proxy-based > filtering has been often discussed on their forums. > In short, Censornet isn't designed to do that, though > it can be "hacked" to make it work that way. > > I hope this helps! > > David Whitmer > Media and Technology Director > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Apr 26 12:48:45 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:48:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange behavior with eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <1146055725.8044.10.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hi Daniel, I had something similar to this a while back on a newly installed server (K12LTSP 4.4.1). Look at /etc/dhclient-eth1.conf. Make sure you don't have entries in this that do not appear correct for your network. If things don't look right here,do a double check by going to your "networking" gui/START>SYSTEM SETTINGS>NETWORK click on eth1 there then select properties. make sure in the gateway/dns/subnet you are not seeing "grayed out" entries there. If you see these click the "static ip radio button and delete the grayed out entries then change back to the dhcp radio button,and save changes. The way this bit me was i setup this server for a building were im at initially then took the server to one of our other district buildings,,thinking i had everything changed to the way it should be at the building it was going to reside in,, but still had these bogus entries in the networking properties:(. Hence no worky and lots of head scratching, same as what you are going through:) You should also look in etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default directory and make sure you don't have entires there that have not been replaced? Compare eth0.conf and eth1.conf file there. Compare these to a known good working server there. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 12:59:19 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:59:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday April 25 2006 7:36 pm, David Whitmer wrote: > > Hi to all. > > > > I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've > > installed the latest > > version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I > > can't get it to work. > > > > Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect > > my LAN and DMZ. The > > interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, > > 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 > > (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box > > the address > > 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe > > I have everything > > configured correctly. Censornet finds and > > configures the 3COM nics. I've > > tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, > > router private > > interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. > > Depending on the wiring, I get > > a) connected to the internet without being > > authenticated or, b) not connected > > or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, > > which I'd rather not do) > > prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever > > connecting; if I cancel the > > prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use > > the Web. Grrrrrrr! > > > > Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in > > a setting like mine who > > can show me the error of my IT ways? The help > > would, as always, be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Dimitri > > Dimitri, > > Along with checking the Censornet forums, have you > also tried their FAQ? (http://www.censornet.com/faq/) > > Have you tried to access the Internet directly from > the Censornet box itself, to make sure it can access > the Internet okay? > > We're not yet using the latest version of Censornet, > but at least with ours, you DO have to set the proxy > address and port information in web browsers. (Though > with K12LTSP, I can just set that once in all.js > rather than every individual PC.) > > By default, Censornet expects web browsers to connect > to it on port 8080 (in your case, > 192.168.100.14:8080). When the browser first > connects, you'll be prompted for a username & > password. Here you enter a username & password > created through Censornet web-based admin interface. > If you just press cancel instead (your option (c) I > think), then it will deny web access to that computer. > That's the way Censornet is designed to work... it's > an authenticating proxy with filtering. Much of its > web-access restrictions and reporting are based on > usernames. > > Brian mentioned the Censornet forums. I believe that > in the past, setting up transparent proxy-based > filtering has been often discussed on their forums. > In short, Censornet isn't designed to do that, though > it can be "hacked" to make it work that way. > > I hope this helps! > > David Whitmer > Media and Technology Director > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see David, Mark, and Brian, Thanks for your responses! I'm guilty of sometimes jumping the gun by not reading FAQs, etc. carefully, then posting a question for which I could have come up with the answer, thus wasting people's time. But, not in this case, I believe. I've read the FAQs, perused the forum, posted my question there, and ... no joy. I've always been impressed with how knowledgeable people are on this list, and how willing to help, so I tgought I'd ask here. I will say that my general set-up here has worked great for nearly two years - iptables/netfilter, samba, sendmail, apache, OpenVPN, Wildfire (Jabber), etc., etc. So, it's been very frustrating trying to set up Censornet and not have it work as expected. In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called Network Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard Bridge Mode. The write-up states: "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note that we never recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall to protect your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, connected in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has one IP address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the rest of the local LAN." So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?internet | ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? router | ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? firewall--------DMZ | ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Censornet | Switch | ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LAN I've also tried this: internet | router | firewall--------DMZ | Switch | (one or both interfaces connected) Censornet | LAN I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside site from the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web browser proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the firewall and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. At best, I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. Remember, I can see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the proper access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether it's an iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both systems shows nothing. Arrrrrgh! I'll take a look at the Freshmeat article. Now, I don't want to take up anyone's time needlessly for what is. at best, a narrow problem. But, it sure would be nice to get the blinkin' thing workin'. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From edward at netday.org.za Wed Apr 26 13:34:58 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: Dimitri I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram one. > > In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called > Network > Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard > Bridge > Mode. The write-up states: > > "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note > that we never > recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall > to protect > your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, > connected > in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has > one IP > address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the > diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the > rest of the > local LAN." > > So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: > > internet > | > router > | > firewall--------DMZ > | > Censornet > | > Switch > | > LAN > This is good. > > I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into > Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my > workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside > site from > the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web > browser > proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the > firewall > and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working just right. > At best, > I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this message - once again exactly what should happen. > > As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. > Remember, I can > see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the > proper > access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether > it's an > iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both > systems It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. Hope this helps ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 13:38:59 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:38:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444F77F3.3090909@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Tuesday April 25 2006 7:36 pm, David Whitmer wrote: >>> Hi to all. >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone's using Censornet. I've >>> installed the latest >>> version on CentOS 3.6. No matter what I try, I >>> can't get it to work. >>> >>> Some info.: I'm using iptables to connect/protect >>> my LAN and DMZ. The >>> interfaces are eth0 (public), eth1 (private, >>> 192.168.100.1/22), and eth2 >>> (DMZ, 192.168.1.1/24). I've given the Censornet box >>> the address >>> 192.168.100.14/22. It's in bridged mode. I believe >>> I have everything >>> configured correctly. Censornet finds and >>> configures the 3COM nics. I've >>> tried different wiring combinations between the LAN, >>> router private >>> interface, and the two Censornet interfaces. >>> Depending on the wiring, I get >>> a) connected to the internet without being >>> authenticated or, b) not connected >>> or, c) (if I specify a proxy in the Web browser, >>> which I'd rather not do) >>> prompted repeatedly for uname and pw without ever >>> connecting; if I cancel the >>> prompt, I'm told I don't have authorization to use >>> the Web. Grrrrrrr! >>> >>> Is anyone using the current version of Censornet in >>> a setting like mine who >>> can show me the error of my IT ways? The help >>> would, as always, be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Dimitri >> Dimitri, >> >> Along with checking the Censornet forums, have you >> also tried their FAQ? (http://www.censornet.com/faq/) >> >> Have you tried to access the Internet directly from >> the Censornet box itself, to make sure it can access >> the Internet okay? >> >> We're not yet using the latest version of Censornet, >> but at least with ours, you DO have to set the proxy >> address and port information in web browsers. (Though >> with K12LTSP, I can just set that once in all.js >> rather than every individual PC.) >> >> By default, Censornet expects web browsers to connect >> to it on port 8080 (in your case, >> 192.168.100.14:8080). When the browser first >> connects, you'll be prompted for a username & >> password. Here you enter a username & password >> created through Censornet web-based admin interface. >> If you just press cancel instead (your option (c) I >> think), then it will deny web access to that computer. >> That's the way Censornet is designed to work... it's >> an authenticating proxy with filtering. Much of its >> web-access restrictions and reporting are based on >> usernames. >> >> Brian mentioned the Censornet forums. I believe that >> in the past, setting up transparent proxy-based >> filtering has been often discussed on their forums. >> In short, Censornet isn't designed to do that, though >> it can be "hacked" to make it work that way. >> >> I hope this helps! >> >> David Whitmer >> Media and Technology Director >> Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > David, Mark, and Brian, > > Thanks for your responses! > > I'm guilty of sometimes jumping the gun by not reading FAQs, etc. carefully, > then posting a question for which I could have come up with the answer, thus > wasting people's time. But, not in this case, I believe. I've read the > FAQs, perused the forum, posted my question there, and ... no joy. I've > always been impressed with how knowledgeable people are on this list, and how > willing to help, so I tgought I'd ask here. > > I will say that my general set-up here has worked great for nearly two years - > iptables/netfilter, samba, sendmail, apache, OpenVPN, Wildfire (Jabber), > etc., etc. So, it's been very frustrating trying to set up Censornet and not > have it work as expected. > > In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called Network > Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard Bridge > Mode. The write-up states: > > "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note that we never > recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall to protect > your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, connected > in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has one IP > address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the > diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the rest of the > local LAN." > > So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: > > internet > | > router > | > firewall--------DMZ > | > Censornet > | > Switch > | > LAN > > I've also tried this: > > internet > | > router > | > firewall--------DMZ > | > Switch > | (one or both interfaces connected) > Censornet > | > LAN > > I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into > Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my > workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside site from > the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web browser > proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the firewall > and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. At best, > I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. > > As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. Remember, I can > see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the proper > access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether it's an > iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both systems > shows nothing. > > Arrrrrgh! > > I'll take a look at the Freshmeat article. Now, I don't want to take up > anyone's time needlessly for what is. at best, a narrow problem. But, it > sure would be nice to get the blinkin' thing workin'. > > Dimitri > Have to checked that both servers are within 5 minutes (clockwise) of each other, I know this problem comes up a lot on the censornet forums. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From william at fragakis.com Wed Apr 26 13:41:35 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:41:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <20060425233659.43037734CD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060425233659.43037734CD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 19:36 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:07:04 -0700 > From: "Robert Arkiletian" > On 4/25/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > any thoughts? We need to buy a couple of dozen. I know what I'd get > for > > home use but wondering what others experiences are for school use. > We > > have 15" (1024 x 768) in our lab which seem to work fine and many of > our > > old CRTs are 800 x 600. For k-5, would 1280 X 1024 help or just be a > > superfluous expense? > > native res on 17" is 1280x1024 so you will have a little more X > traffic on eth0 plus if you want 24bit color you need to make sure > your video cards have enough ram (4MB min). But 17" LCDs are so cheap > now it's almost not worth buying a 15". > -- Is the traffic directly related to the pixel density? ie 1280 x 1024 has about 50% more pixels. Does this mean the X stream will be 50% larger? This will be a consideration if I put 30-40 clients on the same network. I can turn the color down to 16 bit if that helps. Also, any idea how much more server resources it would take? regards, William From edward at netday.org.za Wed Apr 26 14:02:25 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:02:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <444F77F3.3090909@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F77F3.3090909@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40621182-2771-4838-BA5E-D3AFBA86B378@netday.org.za> > Have to checked that both servers are within 5 minutes (clockwise) > of each other, I know this problem comes up a lot on the censornet > forums. This could be an issue, but I found that it was only really a showstopper in terms of importing the user accounts from the AD server. ed > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not > necessarily the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Apr 26 14:14:48 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:14:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060425233659.43037734CD@hormel.redhat.com> <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8FFB37A0-2711-4D48-B267-408DD9C3B4BC@mindfirestudios.com> > Is the traffic directly related to the pixel density? ie 1280 x > 1024 has > about 50% more pixels. Does this mean the X stream will be 50% larger? > This will be a consideration if I put 30-40 clients on the same > network. > > I can turn the color down to 16 bit if that helps. > > Also, any idea how much more server resources it would take? Yes, generally the network traffic and the client VRAM requirements are based on the number of pixels times the color depth. 1600x1200 is four times more pixels than 800x600, and going from 16 to 32 bits of color would also probably have the same impact. Since X is fairly low level (IIRC), increases in either pixels or color depth will have a relatively proportional impact on the LAN traffic. Feel free to correct me if I have anything wrong here. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 14:19:40 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:19:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <40621182-2771-4838-BA5E-D3AFBA86B378@netday.org.za> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F77F3.3090909@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <40621182-2771-4838-BA5E-D3AFBA86B378@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <444F817C.7030907@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Have to checked that both servers are within 5 minutes (clockwise) of >> each other, I know this problem comes up a lot on the censornet forums. > > This could be an issue, but I found that it was only really a > showstopper in terms of importing the user accounts from the AD server. > > ed >> >> Brian >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not >> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see But it would stop the authentication as it breaks the kerberas (not sure if that's spelt right) stuff. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 26 14:24:36 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:24:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC Message-ID: I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is between our router and our first public switch. I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC so I can configure it. I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't take it down to do that since it is our main server. Any ideas? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 14:36:13 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:36:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday April 26 2006 9:34 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Dimitri > > I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram one. > > > In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called > > Network > > Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard > > Bridge > > Mode. The write-up states: > > > > "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note > > that we never > > recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall > > to protect > > your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, > > connected > > in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has > > one IP > > address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the > > diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the > > rest of the > > local LAN." > > > > So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: > > > > internet > > > > router > > > > firewall--------DMZ > > > > Censornet > > > > Switch > > > > LAN > > This is good. > > > I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into > > Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my > > workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside > > site from > > the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web > > browser > > proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the > > firewall > > and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. > > This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to > happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working > just right. > > > At best, > > I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. > > If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a > user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this > message - once again exactly what should happen. > > > As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. > > Remember, I can > > see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the > > proper > > access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether > > it's an > > iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both > > systems > > It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged > in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You > have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already > logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds > like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how > Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent > proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a > separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The > fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a > convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It > also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can > log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the > username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged > in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. > > Hope this helps > ed Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the curious part - if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't matter), then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication Failed" error message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not being authenticated. As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there a lot of configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled Censornet, to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No luck, same issues. And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure that I configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the same time. I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and workstation discovery. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 26 14:36:51 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:36:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> Doesn't ifconfig show you the MAC address for eth1 (along with those of eth0 and eth2)? Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > between our router and our first public switch. > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > so I can configure it. > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > Any ideas? > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 26 14:48:19 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:48:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Not if eth1 is not configured. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Doesn't ifconfig show you the MAC address for eth1 (along with those of eth0 and eth2)? > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > > between our router and our first public switch. > > > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > > so I can configure it. > > > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Wed Apr 26 14:52:37 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:52:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: >>> > > Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the > curious part - > if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't > matter), > then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication > Failed" error > message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not being > authenticated. > > As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there > a lot of > configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled > Censornet, > to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No > luck, same > issues. > > And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure > that I > configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the > same time. > I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and workstation > discovery. Ok now maybe I'm stating the obvious, but have you added your workstation in the Censornet management interface? I prefer doing it by mac address. Then after you've added it you still have to give it permissions from the pull-down menu. Then you have to give your username permissions in the web interface too - by default all workstations and all users have no access to everything. ed > > Dimitri > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 14:56:53 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:56:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604260859.20063.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444F8A35.8090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday April 26 2006 9:34 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> Dimitri >> >> I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram one. >> >>> In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called >>> Network >>> Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard >>> Bridge >>> Mode. The write-up states: >>> >>> "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note >>> that we never >>> recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall >>> to protect >>> your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, >>> connected >>> in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has >>> one IP >>> address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the >>> diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the >>> rest of the >>> local LAN." >>> >>> So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: >>> >>> internet >>> >>> router >>> >>> firewall--------DMZ >>> >>> Censornet >>> >>> Switch >>> >>> LAN >> This is good. >> >>> I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into >>> Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my >>> workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside >>> site from >>> the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web >>> browser >>> proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the >>> firewall >>> and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. >> This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to >> happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working >> just right. >> >>> At best, >>> I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. >> If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a >> user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this >> message - once again exactly what should happen. >> >>> As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. >>> Remember, I can >>> see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the >>> proper >>> access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether >>> it's an >>> iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both >>> systems >> It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged >> in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You >> have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already >> logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds >> like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how >> Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent >> proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a >> separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The >> fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a >> convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It >> also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can >> log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the >> username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged >> in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. >> >> Hope this helps >> ed > > Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the curious part - > if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't matter), > then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication Failed" error > message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not being authenticated. > > As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there a lot of > configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled Censornet, > to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No luck, same > issues. > > And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure that I > configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the same time. > I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and workstation > discovery. > > Dimitri > You can test the authentication via the CLI, not sure how but do a search for "PAM" on the censornet forums and you should find something. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 15:04:40 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <200604261104.40476.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday April 26 2006 10:52 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: > > Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the > > curious part - > > if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't > > matter), > > then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication > > Failed" error > > message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not being > > authenticated. > > > > As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there > > a lot of > > configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled > > Censornet, > > to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No > > luck, same > > issues. > > > > And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure > > that I > > configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the > > same time. > > I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and workstation > > discovery. > > Ok now maybe I'm stating the obvious, but have you added your > workstation in the Censornet management interface? I prefer doing it > by mac address. Then after you've added it you still have to give it > permissions from the pull-down menu. Then you have to give your > username permissions in the web interface too - by default all > workstations and all users have no access to everything. > > ed > Yes, did that straight away by mac address. I can see the users and workstations in the Censornet management interface. User access profile is "Unfiltered" and workstation access profile is "Allow Web & Other". Beyond that, I don't think I need to configure anything else, do I (other than creating banned sites and other filtering characteristics)? Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 15:12:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:12:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> How about opening the box and reading the mac off of the card? John On 4/26/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > Not if eth1 is not configured. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Doesn't ifconfig show you the MAC address for eth1 (along with those of eth0 and eth2)? > > > > Petre > > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > > > > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > > > > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > > > > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > > > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > > > between our router and our first public switch. > > > > > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > > > so I can configure it. > > > > > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > > > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > > > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Wed Apr 26 15:15:15 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:15:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261104.40476.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <200604261104.40476.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: On 26 Apr 2006, at 5:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday April 26 2006 10:52 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: >>> >> >> Ok now maybe I'm stating the obvious, but have you added your >> workstation in the Censornet management interface? I prefer doing it >> by mac address. Then after you've added it you still have to give it >> permissions from the pull-down menu. Then you have to give your >> username permissions in the web interface too - by default all >> workstations and all users have no access to everything. >> >> ed >> > > Yes, did that straight away by mac address. I can see the users and > workstations in the Censornet management interface. User access > profile > is "Unfiltered" and workstation access profile is "Allow Web & Other". > Beyond that, I don't think I need to configure anything else, do I > (other > than creating banned sites and other filtering characteristics)? No, that's it. I can't think of anything else that may help, but I'll reread your mails closely and see if I can pick up on anything I may have missed. ed > > Dimitri > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 15:13:34 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:13:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <444F8A35.8090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F8A35.8090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200604261113.35279.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday April 26 2006 10:56 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Wednesday April 26 2006 9:34 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Dimitri > >> > >> I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram one. > >> > >>> In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called > >>> Network > >>> Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard > >>> Bridge > >>> Mode. The write-up states: > >>> > >>> "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note > >>> that we never > >>> recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall > >>> to protect > >>> your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, > >>> connected > >>> in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has > >>> one IP > >>> address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the > >>> diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the > >>> rest of the > >>> local LAN." > >>> > >>> So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: > >>> > >>> internet > >>> > >>> router > >>> > >>> firewall--------DMZ > >>> > >>> Censornet > >>> > >>> Switch > >>> > >>> LAN > >> > >> This is good. > >> > >>> I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into > >>> Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my > >>> workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside > >>> site from > >>> the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web > >>> browser > >>> proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the > >>> firewall > >>> and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. > >> > >> This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to > >> happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working > >> just right. > >> > >>> At best, > >>> I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. > >> > >> If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a > >> user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this > >> message - once again exactly what should happen. > >> > >>> As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. > >>> Remember, I can > >>> see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the > >>> proper > >>> access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether > >>> it's an > >>> iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both > >>> systems > >> > >> It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged > >> in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You > >> have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already > >> logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds > >> like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how > >> Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent > >> proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a > >> separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The > >> fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a > >> convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It > >> also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can > >> log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the > >> username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged > >> in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. > >> > >> Hope this helps > >> ed > > > > Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the curious > > part - if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't > > matter), then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication > > Failed" error message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not > > being authenticated. > > > > As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there a lot > > of configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled > > Censornet, to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No > > luck, same issues. > > > > And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure that I > > configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the same > > time. I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and > > workstation discovery. > > > > Dimitri > > You can test the authentication via the CLI, not sure how but do a search > for "PAM" on the censornet forums and you should find something. > > Brian > You're right. It's "/usr/local/squid/libexec/pam_auth -1". When I enter my uname and pw, I get an "ERR" return instead of OK. The FAQ mentions says this about it: "If you get an OK response, then all is well. If you get an ERR response, then there is something wrong, but its got nothing to do with the clock (and probably nothing to do with the CN either)." Hmmm. What, then? Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 26 15:17:17 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:17:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: could do that. . .hard to see without turning the server upside down. (not a good thing to do with it running. . .) May try to just look at night when no one is online and I cna shut it down. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, john wrote: > How about opening the box and reading the mac off of the card? > > John > > On 4/26/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Not if eth1 is not configured. . . > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > Doesn't ifconfig show you the MAC address for eth1 (along with those of eth0 and eth2)? > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > > > > > > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > > > > > > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > > > > > > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > > > > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > > > > between our router and our first public switch. > > > > > > > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > > > > so I can configure it. > > > > > > > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > > > > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > > > > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > > Technology Specialist > > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 15:19:11 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:19:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261113.35279.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F8A35.8090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200604261113.35279.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444F8F6F.1070300@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday April 26 2006 10:56 am, Brian Chivers wrote: >> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >>> On Wednesday April 26 2006 9:34 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: >>>> Dimitri >>>> >>>> I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram one. >>>> >>>>> In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called >>>>> Network >>>>> Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard >>>>> Bridge >>>>> Mode. The write-up states: >>>>> >>>>> "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note >>>>> that we never >>>>> recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall >>>>> to protect >>>>> your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, >>>>> connected >>>>> in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has >>>>> one IP >>>>> address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in the >>>>> diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the >>>>> rest of the >>>>> local LAN." >>>>> >>>>> So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: >>>>> >>>>> internet >>>>> >>>>> router >>>>> >>>>> firewall--------DMZ >>>>> >>>>> Censornet >>>>> >>>>> Switch >>>>> >>>>> LAN >>>> This is good. >>>> >>>>> I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server into >>>>> Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from my >>>>> workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside >>>>> site from >>>>> the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web >>>>> browser >>>>> proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the >>>>> firewall >>>>> and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. >>>> This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to >>>> happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working >>>> just right. >>>> >>>>> At best, >>>>> I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. >>>> If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a >>>> user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this >>>> message - once again exactly what should happen. >>>> >>>>> As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. >>>>> Remember, I can >>>>> see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the >>>>> proper >>>>> access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether >>>>> it's an >>>>> iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both >>>>> systems >>>> It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged >>>> in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You >>>> have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already >>>> logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds >>>> like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how >>>> Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent >>>> proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a >>>> separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The >>>> fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a >>>> convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It >>>> also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can >>>> log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the >>>> username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged >>>> in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps >>>> ed >>> Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the curious >>> part - if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, doesn't >>> matter), then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet "Authentication >>> Failed" error message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but not >>> being authenticated. >>> >>> As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there a lot >>> of configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I reinstalled >>> Censornet, to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first go-round. No >>> luck, same issues. >>> >>> And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure that I >>> configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the same >>> time. I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and >>> workstation discovery. >>> >>> Dimitri >> You can test the authentication via the CLI, not sure how but do a search >> for "PAM" on the censornet forums and you should find something. >> >> Brian >> > > You're right. It's "/usr/local/squid/libexec/pam_auth -1". When I enter my > uname and pw, I get an "ERR" return instead of OK. The FAQ mentions says > this about it: > > "If you get an OK response, then all is well. If you get an ERR response, then > there is something wrong, but its got nothing to do with the clock (and > probably nothing to do with the CN either)." > > Hmmm. What, then? > > Dimitri > Can you ping the AD ok, I added our PDC to the /etc/hosts file manually, I think I had to do it to /etc/hosts.tmpl as well to make it survive after a reboot. Perhaps try that also anything on the AD logs ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 26 15:25:19 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:25:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444F90DF.10400@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > so I can configure it. > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > take it down to do that since it is our main server. How about "ip link" -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 26 15:25:32 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:25:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 10:17, Doug Simpson wrote: > could do that. . .hard to see without turning the server upside down. (not > a good thing to do with it running. . .) > > May try to just look at night when no one is online and I cna shut it > down. . . 'dmesg |less' should show the startup probe results and what maps to which adapter. Why do you need to know? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Wed Apr 26 15:35:51 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:35:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146065751.3144.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 10:17 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > could do that. . .hard to see without turning the server upside down. (not > a good thing to do with it running. . .) > > May try to just look at night when no one is online and I cna shut it > down. . . > ifconfig shows me the MAC address even when an ethernet connection is not up and an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX is not present. Perhaps we don't mean the same things by "unconfigured". You can look in /etc/hwconf for your three network cards. If kudzu has detected all of them, they should each have entries like: network.hwaddr: 00:0f:b0:6e:33:33 Using ifconfig to determine the MAC addresses for the other two cards you should be able to figure out which one is eth1. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 15:58:23 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:58:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <444F8F6F.1070300@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261113.35279.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F8F6F.1070300@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday April 26 2006 11:19 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Wednesday April 26 2006 10:56 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >>> On Wednesday April 26 2006 9:34 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >>>> Dimitri > >>>> > >>>> I am using the latest Censornet in the way you describe in diagram > >>>> one. > >>>> > >>>>> In the Censornet Web site, under Support, there's a section called > >>>>> Network > >>>>> Diagrams. I'm trying to set up the second of the schemes, Standard > >>>>> Bridge > >>>>> Mode. The write-up states: > >>>>> > >>>>> "This is the most common form of Bridged CensorNet design. Note > >>>>> that we never > >>>>> recommend the use of Bridge Mode unless you have your own firewall > >>>>> to protect > >>>>> your perimeter. Although the CensorNet still has two network cards, > >>>>> connected > >>>>> in a similar fashion to the Basic Router Mode option, it only has > >>>>> one IP > >>>>> address, purely for administration purposes. The firewall shown in > >>>>> the diagram will have an internal address on the same subnet as the > >>>>> rest of the > >>>>> local LAN." > >>>>> > >>>>> So, just as in the diagram, I've tried this: > >>>>> > >>>>> internet > >>>>> > >>>>> router > >>>>> > >>>>> firewall--------DMZ > >>>>> > >>>>> Censornet > >>>>> > >>>>> Switch > >>>>> > >>>>> LAN > >>>> > >>>> This is good. > >>>> > >>>>> I'm able to get both user and workstation data from our AD server > >>>>> into Censornet. I'm able to reach the Censornet Web admin gui from > >>>>> my workstation. I'm able to ping both my workstation and an outside > >>>>> site from > >>>>> the Censornet box. I've set up the correct address and port in Web > >>>>> browser > >>>>> proxy settings. Depending on how I wire the Censornet box to the > >>>>> firewall > >>>>> and/or LAN, at worst I'm continually prompted for a uname and pw. > >>>> > >>>> This is a feature, not a problem and is exactly what is supposed to > >>>> happen with Censornet. It sounds like you have everything working > >>>> just right. > >>>> > >>>>> At best, > >>>>> I'll get a Censornet "Authentication Failed" message. > >>>> > >>>> If, for example, you don't have the correct proxy settings (or if a > >>>> user deliberately tries to bypass the proxy) you encounter this > >>>> message - once again exactly what should happen. > >>>> > >>>>> As to this last, there's obviously an authentication problem. > >>>>> Remember, I can > >>>>> see both isers and workstations in the Censornet Web gui. All the > >>>>> proper > >>>>> access permissions are set for both. But, I have no idea whether > >>>>> it's an > >>>>> iptables issue or a Censornet issue. A perusal of the logs on both > >>>>> systems > >>>> > >>>> It sounds like you want the Windows user to automagically be logged > >>>> in as the Internet user, but that's not the way Censornet works. You > >>>> have to log in to the web independently, even if you have already > >>>> logged into Windows and authenticated against your domain (is sounds > >>>> like you're running windows on the desktop here right?). This is how > >>>> Censornet logs access. In other words Censornet is not a transparent > >>>> proxy that makes use of the user authentication login details - it a > >>>> separate and self-contained logging and authentication system. The > >>>> fact that it imports the user accounts from your AD is merely a > >>>> convenience so that you don't have to recreate them all manually. It > >>>> also means that one user can login to the Windows PC and another can > >>>> log into the Internet on the same PC oat one time - it is is the > >>>> username that logs onto the Internet that will be tracked and logged > >>>> in the Censornet Webalizer, not the Windows AD authenticated user. > >>>> > >>>> Hope this helps > >>>> ed > >>> > >>> Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, this is the curious > >>> part - if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few times, > >>> doesn't matter), then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet > >>> "Authentication Failed" error message. SO, I am communicating with > >>> Censornet, but not being authenticated. > >>> > >>> As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, nor are there a > >>> lot of configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, I > >>> reinstalled Censornet, to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first > >>> go-round. No luck, same issues. > >>> > >>> And, our AD server is also our system's time server. I mad sure that I > >>> configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. Both are at the same > >>> time. I think, though, that that's important mainly for user and > >>> workstation discovery. > >>> > >>> Dimitri > >> > >> You can test the authentication via the CLI, not sure how but do a > >> search for "PAM" on the censornet forums and you should find something. > >> > >> Brian > > > > You're right. It's "/usr/local/squid/libexec/pam_auth -1". When I enter > > my uname and pw, I get an "ERR" return instead of OK. The FAQ mentions > > says this about it: > > > > "If you get an OK response, then all is well. If you get an ERR response, > > then there is something wrong, but its got nothing to do with the clock > > (and probably nothing to do with the CN either)." > > > > Hmmm. What, then? > > > > Dimitri > > Can you ping the AD ok, I added our PDC to the /etc/hosts file manually, I > think I had to do it to /etc/hosts.tmpl as well to make it survive after a > reboot. > > Perhaps try that also anything on the AD logs ?? > > Brian > Thanks to all for taking me through all the logical steps. Brian, I can, indeed, ping the AD. /etc/hosts reads fine. Nothing in AD logs. I think we're running out of steps :-( Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 16:18:56 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261036.13982.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <20060426161858.13576.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > Understood on the authentication mechanism. Now, > this is the curious part - > if, after entering my uname and pw (once, or a few > times, doesn't matter), > then cancelling the login, I get the Censornet > "Authentication Failed" error > message. SO, I am communicating with Censornet, but > not being authenticated. > > As you know, Censornet isn't difficult to configure, > nor are there a lot of > configuration settings to make. But, just for fun, > I reinstalled Censornet, > to make sure I didn't futz anything up the first > go-round. No luck, same > issues. > > And, our AD server is also our system's time server. > I mad sure that I > configured Censornet to use it to sync the time. > Both are at the same time. > I think, though, that that's important mainly for > user and workstation > discovery. > > Dimitri > Dimitri, I might be misinterpreting what you wrote, but it sounds as if when the web browser prompts you to enter your Censornet username & password, you enter those, but then cancel that login rather than clicking "okay". Is this correct? By design, Censornet blocks web access when a web browser either logs in with an incorrect username/password combination, or refuses to log in (such as by cancelling the log in process). To my knowledge, it isn't able to automatically authenticate against Windows users against an AD server; though, as others have mentioned, it can initially populate its user/password database from AD. That you're getting a login request signifies that you are communicating with the Censornet box. David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 16:28:08 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:28:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261113.35279.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F8F6F.1070300@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444F9F98.9010503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Lots has gone on now, so can you clarify how far you've got with Censornet. So I've got this straight in my head 1. Your machines get an authentication screen up when you try to connect 2. You can ping the censornet box from a workstation. 3. You can ping the workstation from the Censornet box 4. You can ping the internet from the censronet box. 5. You can retrieve a list of usernames from the AD 6. You've setup the AD in the setup program 7. You've added the workstation and set then to "Allow web & other" 8. When you try to surf you get asked for username & password over and over again 9. Have you tried using Firefox to see if it's an IE problem. 10. You've setup the browsers for the proxy and set the ip address / DNS name of the censornet box in the "Proxy Overide" section. Thinks that's all *grin* Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 26 17:18:13 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:18:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Corrupted RPM DB In-Reply-To: <444E8493.50900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E47EF.4050609@saskforestcentre.ca> <444E8493.50900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <444FAB55.700@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > Angus Carr wrote: > >> Here's an odd one for the list: >> >> I have a corrupted RPM DB. I think it's getting in the way of my yum >> updates. >> >> RPM operations fail. All of them. >> >> I decided to try to correct the problem, following >> http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb >> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* >> rpm --rebuilddb >> >> The rm works, but the rebuilt db does not. It ends up flashing garbage >> to the terminal. >> >> Any clues or suggestions? >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> > > > There are a number of other suggestions further down on the link you > posted (http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb). > > First and foremost is backups. Do you have good backups? (you should!) > If so, restore /var/lib/rpm/ to a known good copy. > > I have tested the dump & restore trick: > > cd /var/lib/rpm > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_verify Packages > > If there are any errors, repair by doing > > mv Packages Packages-ORIG > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_dump Packages-ORIG | \ > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_load Packages > > > -Eric > > Well, therein lies the problem... It's not a production server, really. It's my workstation, and then it provides occasional email garden service. I don't even keep real data on it... Is there anything I can do, given that I don't have a backup? I am trying the package-ORIG thing now. Hopefully it won't hose my system (Holds breath while face turns blue). Cheers! I'll keep you posted. By the way, is there anything we can do to automate backing up /var/lib/rpmdb ? If a simple failed yum update (or whatever it was kicked this process off) is going to stop my system from doing further updates, I regard that as a serious issue. If it happened to a teacher/general user/new user rather than a more committed user like myself, I could imagine it turning them off. Admittedly, we should suggest they use the CentOS-based releases rather than the FC release, but that's somewhat beside the point. I don't know enough about /var/lib/rpm and issues that might arise out of it to know what sort of backups to suggest. Perhaps a monthly backup for CentOS-based releases and a weekly backup for Fedora releases, and rotate through a couple of them over time? It could be automated as a cron job. I'm not sure about the details like what to check before running- should it pause if another process is looking in there? Perhaps the cron job could sleep until a lock file is cleared. Any thoughts? I don't mind writing a script to do this, and I expect I will anyway, but I just want to know if anyone has matching thoughts... Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 26 17:26:58 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:26:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444FAD62.8070701@saskforestcentre.ca> Doug Simpson wrote: > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > between our router and our first public switch. > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > so I can configure it. > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > Any ideas? > Try "ifconfig eth1" which will give you the MAC ID whether or not it's configured/connected/etc - just as long as it is present. For that matter, I can also get mine with "cat /proc/net/arp", but that may only work with configured and connected if's. /proc/net/dev contains a list of network devices, which also has MAC ID. Again, this may only be the configured ones... Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 26 17:41:40 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:41:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details In-Reply-To: References: <200604130127.k3D1QjH3025699@mx3.redhat.com> <443DAF4E.1070400@McQuil.com> <443ED65D.3050006@saskforestcentre.ca> <443ED74E.7070709@McQuil.com> <444CFBFD.4070807@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <444FB0D4.2030702@saskforestcentre.ca> That's the ticket! I cleared out my various attempts, went back to a raw lts.conf, and then put X_VIDEORAM in as a global entry (All my terminals are identical old Dell GX150's) and voila! It worked. Thanks. Angus Carr. Eric Harrison wrote: > > On my i810 box, setting the X video ram to 16M does the trick: > > X_VIDEORAM = 16384 > > -Eric > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: > >> Tried it today (after doing a yum upgrade on my K12LTSP 5 Beta >> machine) and it still reports that it cannot load the agpgart module >> (as before). >> >> If I do a vga module instead (with colour depth 8), the screen goes >> graphical at 800x600. That's not what I want, but it does do it. >> >> Angus. >> >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> Angus, >>> >>> Can you try: XSERVER = i810 >>> >>> I just found today, that we are missing some entries in the vidlist >>> file for some of the i810 chipsets. >>> >>> I'll have an update soon, but you can force it with the line above. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>> I just did a yum upgrade, and it's still Broke. >>>> >>>> XSERVER=auto ==> agpgart error, screen flashes, then returns to >>>> text mode, reporting X has failed. >>>> XSERVER=vesa ==> grey garbage screen, although clearly derived from >>>> the default background. >>>> >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Roy, >>>>>> >>>>>> My understanding of the i810 issue is that it's related to udev >>>>>> rules that didn't properly create the device node that the i810 >>>>>> driver requires. Scott has fixed the rules, and we've got an >>>>>> updated LTSP package for that. I think this was fixed last >>>>>> friday, and I don't know if Eric has updated his copy of the LTSP >>>>>> sources, so he may not have that fix yet. >>>>> >>>>> I updated my packages this afternoon, but have not had the chance >>>>> to test >>>>> them against my i810-based terminal. The attached udev rules match >>>>> the >>>>> new K12LTSP packages, so hopefully that is the fix. >>>>> >>>>> The new packages have been added to the K12LTSP repository. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>>>> I've attached the 2 new udev rules files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Drop them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d, and try booting >>>>>> your client. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us know if that takes care of the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim McQuillan >>>>>> jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Roy wrote: >>>>>>> I haven't been able to use my i810 since K12-FC5 so I the vesa >>>>>>> thing and the >>>>>>> gui comes up but I have a frequency issue. I'm guessing I will >>>>>>> have to set >>>>>>> that manually too. Do you know what could have happened? My i810 >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> worked before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>>>>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Eric Harrison >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:56 PM >>>>>>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 5beta2 details >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Angus Carr wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, all, and particularly Eric. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a few minor issues setting up 5beta2, and I thought I should >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> share... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) The default internal LAN address was 192.168.0.254, which >>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>> problem, unless you already sit on such a LAN. Our main LAN is >>>>>>>> 192.168.0.*, and my LTSP LAN is 192.168.200.*. This really isn't a >>>>>>>> problem, but not all the files were correctly written. >>>>>>>> k12ltsp-DHCP.conf >>>>>>>> (or whatever it was called) required a search and replace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, I have checking that on my todo list (which I'm working >>>>>>> on right >>>>>>> now ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) The firewall was up by default on the internal address, and >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> didn't allow tftp. I dropped it, but that was slightly wrong. >>>>>>>> One day, I >>>>>>>> might even bring it back up, but this is internal, on a quiet >>>>>>>> LAN behind >>>>>>>> another firewall. I'm not too worried... (for now). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Possible related to #1. I have not seen a problem with the default >>>>>>> 192.168.0.254. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Other than that, there were no issues. I just feel that a >>>>>>>> numbered >>>>>>>> list should have more than two bullets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good to hear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4) Oh, right, my i810/agpgart problem. Hmmm.... don't know what >>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>> about that, but there is usually some response on the list... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I scrounged up a box with an i810, I saw the same problem. >>>>>>> Untested, but >>>>>>> the vesa driver will probably be a quick work-around: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XSERVER = vesa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, again, for the work of putting this together. I >>>>>>>> appreciate it as >>>>>>>> much as anyone else on the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angus Carr. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Apr 26 18:21:15 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:21:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Looking for Data recovery company Message-ID: <444FBA1B.60107@stmarys-school.org> I ended up using *R-Studio with complete success. I learned a little about computer forensics also, pretty interesting. *Thanks for all the suggestions. John From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Apr 26 19:47:13 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:47:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem Message-ID: I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in the laptop is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP 4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel finds the NIC and activates it no problem. HOWEVER There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron as a thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has an AMD Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE boot in the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and then I get the following: Running /linuxrc Mounting /proc ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. PCI cards should be detected automatically. ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel command line, usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the LTSP docs for more info. Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the NUMLOCK and CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back on to clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Pat From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 19:56:20 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:56:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Unix geeks may find this funny Message-ID: <464c38cc0604261256vb4d81cetb4a95cec50bc0abc@mail.gmail.com> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg Saw this stumbling on the Internet and thought anyone who has played with these tools may get a chuckle. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Apr 26 20:05:01 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:05:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Corrupted RPM DB In-Reply-To: <444E8493.50900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E47EF.4050609@saskforestcentre.ca> <444E8493.50900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <444FD26D.8030402@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > Angus Carr wrote: > >> Here's an odd one for the list: >> >> I have a corrupted RPM DB. I think it's getting in the way of my yum >> updates. >> >> RPM operations fail. All of them. >> >> I decided to try to correct the problem, following >> http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb >> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* >> rpm --rebuilddb >> >> The rm works, but the rebuilt db does not. It ends up flashing garbage >> to the terminal. >> >> Any clues or suggestions? >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> > > > There are a number of other suggestions further down on the link you > posted (http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb). > > First and foremost is backups. Do you have good backups? (you should!) > If so, restore /var/lib/rpm/ to a known good copy. > > I have tested the dump & restore trick: > > cd /var/lib/rpm > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_verify Packages > > If there are any errors, repair by doing > > mv Packages Packages-ORIG > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_dump Packages-ORIG | \ > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_load Packages > > > -Eric > > The dump and restore worked. Thanks. Angus Carr. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Apr 26 20:25:34 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:25:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <444F9F98.9010503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F9F98.9010503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday April 26 2006 12:28 pm, Brian Chivers wrote: > Lots has gone on now, so can you clarify how far you've got with Censornet. > > So I've got this straight in my head > > 1. Your machines get an authentication screen up when you try to connect > 2. You can ping the censornet box from a workstation. > 3. You can ping the workstation from the Censornet box > 4. You can ping the internet from the censronet box. > 5. You can retrieve a list of usernames from the AD > 6. You've setup the AD in the setup program > 7. You've added the workstation and set then to "Allow web & other" > 8. When you try to surf you get asked for username & password over and over > again 9. Have you tried using Firefox to see if it's an IE problem. > 10. You've setup the browsers for the proxy and set the ip address / DNS > name of the censornet box in the "Proxy Overide" section. > > Thinks that's all *grin* > > Brian > Sorry for the delay in responding. We're moving our office from one floor to another, and I'm the project manager. How does an IT person end up managing an office move? I guess I didn't scrunch down low enough in my seat when the move was proposed (I'm 6'2", and so hard to miss). All of the above are correct. I reinstalled Censornet, and now am able to get an "OK" when I run "/usr/local/squid/libexec/pam_auth -1" and enter my uname and pw. But, still, I'm prompted repeatedly for my uname/pw when trying to access the Web. Grrrrrrrr! Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 20:38:27 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:38:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F9F98.9010503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <444FDA43.3040304@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday April 26 2006 12:28 pm, Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Lots has gone on now, so can you clarify how far you've got with Censornet. >> >> So I've got this straight in my head >> >> 1. Your machines get an authentication screen up when you try to connect >> 2. You can ping the censornet box from a workstation. >> 3. You can ping the workstation from the Censornet box >> 4. You can ping the internet from the censronet box. >> 5. You can retrieve a list of usernames from the AD >> 6. You've setup the AD in the setup program >> 7. You've added the workstation and set then to "Allow web & other" >> 8. When you try to surf you get asked for username & password over and over >> again 9. Have you tried using Firefox to see if it's an IE problem. >> 10. You've setup the browsers for the proxy and set the ip address / DNS >> name of the censornet box in the "Proxy Overide" section. >> >> Thinks that's all *grin* >> >> Brian >> >> > > Sorry for the delay in responding. We're moving our office from one floor to > another, and I'm the project manager. How does an IT person end up managing > an office move? I guess I didn't scrunch down low enough in my seat when the > move was proposed (I'm 6'2", and so hard to miss). > > All of the above are correct. I reinstalled Censornet, and now am able to get > an "OK" when I run "/usr/local/squid/libexec/pam_auth -1" and enter my uname > and pw. But, still, I'm prompted repeatedly for my uname/pw when trying to > access the Web. > > Grrrrrrrr! > > Dimitri > > I know the feeling, I'm 6'4" and use "Large" types tend to stand out !!!! No funny symbols in usernames or passwords ? Have you tried firefox to see if that gives you the same ?? I find it's a little more helpful with it error messages Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 22:53:08 2006 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <8FFB37A0-2711-4D48-B267-408DD9C3B4BC@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20060426225308.52967.qmail@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you are correct, not because the X protocol is at a low level but because X isn't compressed at all. If it is compressed, it is not compressed much compared to VNC or NX. For the first guy, I think the correct term is screen resolution or something like that rather than pixel density. When someone says pixel density, I start to think of dpi and stuff like that. Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: Burke Almquist To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? > Is the traffic directly related to the pixel density? ie 1280 x > 1024 has > about 50% more pixels. Does this mean the X stream will be 50% larger? > This will be a consideration if I put 30-40 clients on the same > network. > > I can turn the color down to 16 bit if that helps. > > Also, any idea how much more server resources it would take? Yes, generally the network traffic and the client VRAM requirements are based on the number of pixels times the color depth. 1600x1200 is four times more pixels than 800x600, and going from 16 to 32 bits of color would also probably have the same impact. Since X is fairly low level (IIRC), increases in either pixels or color depth will have a relatively proportional impact on the LAN traffic. Feel free to correct me if I have anything wrong here. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 23:02:43 2006 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It could be that the kernel for the LTSP clients do not have the module for your Broadcom 440x 10/100 compiled. If this is correct, and you are very comfortable with Linux, you can always recompile the LTSP kernel with support for the module you need. Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:47:13 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in the laptop is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP 4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel finds the NIC and activates it no problem. HOWEVER There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron as a thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has an AMD Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE boot in the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and then I get the following: Running /linuxrc Mounting /proc ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. PCI cards should be detected automatically. ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel command line, usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the LTSP docs for more info. Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the NUMLOCK and CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back on to clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 23:17:50 2006 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server In-Reply-To: <1145882316.18769.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060426231750.87063.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The VT-310 DP is real expensive. They retail for $400-500. With its lack luster general cpu perfomance that William mentiions below, it makes it look more expensive. It is cheaper to get a matx mobo and get an AMD64 or P4 cpu to put into a lanparty case. The only reason I think of someone should buy the VT-310 DP is if they need a super quiet solution (for a HTPC?) or if they want to make a VPN server. The VT-310 DP does AES encryption( and maybe SHA1 and other schemes) in hardware. Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: William Fragakis To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:38:36 AM Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server the C3s aren't known to be robust processors. iirc, they benchmarked equivalent to about the same as about 50% slower PIIIs. You may wish to look also at LAN-party style cases (e.g. Shuttle). Small, good air circulation and you can stick in a dual core P4 or AMD chip. Also, most mini-itx cases don't have great air flow - stick two processors and a drive in there and either you have heat problems or you need more air movement/fans which ups the noise level. For modest use, I'm sure the mini-itxs would be nice but I would be reluctant to put a few users browsing Flash web sites. The LAN party cases often are of aluminum and have handles, we built one as a test and it's serving about 12 desktops without issue - It has an AMD 3500 and a 10K SATA drive - Kids love its looks. Regards, William On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:47:19 -0500 > From: Daniel Loomis > Subject: [K12OSN] VT-310 DP as small workgroup server > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <444A7A37.9050106 at cox-internet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Has anyone tried setting up one of the new Via VT-310DP dual cpu > mini-itx motherboards as a small, low-power, quiet server for a > portable > workgroup? While its dual 1000mHz C3 processors could not compete > with > a dual Xeon or Opteron server, it could be installed in a small case > and > used to support basic office functions for a group of four or five. > With addition of a four-port pci NIC, it would not even need a > switch--just bridge the four ethernet ports into one br0, add clients > and you are good to go. > > It would make a dandy demo system to take on the road, all in a > package > the size of a thin client. > > Dan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 27 00:14:40 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:14:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem In-Reply-To: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44500CF0.2010603@elp.rr.com> Unfortunately I am more of a user than a software writer. I need a set of very detailed instructions to be able to do something like you are suggesting. You wouldn't happen to have those instructions in a convenient file would you? Bye Pat Chris Thomas wrote: >It could be that the kernel for the LTSP clients do not have the module for your Broadcom 440x 10/100 compiled. If this is correct, and you are very comfortable with Linux, you can always recompile the LTSP kernel with support for the module you need. > >Chris > >----- Original Message ---- >From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:47:13 PM >Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem > > >I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in the laptop >is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP >4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel >finds the NIC and activates it no problem. > >HOWEVER > >There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron as a >thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has an AMD >Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE boot in >the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and then I >get the following: > >Running /linuxrc >Mounting /proc > >ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > PCI cards should be detected automatically. > ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver to be >specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel command line, >usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the >LTSP docs for more info. > >Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! > > >When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the NUMLOCK and >CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back on to >clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. > >Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks in advance >Pat > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 27 00:16:37 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:16:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> I tried what you suggested and still have the same problem. Any other suggestions really need to get it working because my students have been figuring out how to do video things elsewhere and want to do them in the classroom. Thanks Pat Dan Young wrote: >jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > >>I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 >>When I attempt to start Totem video player the player window will appear >>on the monitor screen for about 1 second then it blinks out and is >>replaced by an error message that says - Totem could not start up >>Resource busy or not available. >> >> > >Go to System, Preferences, More Preferences, Multimedia Systems >Selector, and change the Audio Default Output to ESD. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Thu Apr 27 00:18:56 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:18:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem In-Reply-To: <44500CF0.2010603@elp.rr.com> References: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44500CF0.2010603@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <44500DF0.8050009@McQuil.com> The broadcom card should be supported by the tg3 driver, which IS included in the LTSP kernels. Possibly, the particular PCI Vendor/Device ids aren't in the niclist file, which causes the autodetection to fail. To force a particular driver, you need to pass NIC=tg3 on the kernel command line. This is done by following the information in this wiki article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately I am more of a user than a software writer. I need a > set of very detailed instructions to be able to do something like you > are suggesting. You wouldn't happen to have those instructions in a > convenient file would you? > Bye > Pat > > Chris Thomas wrote: > >> It could be that the kernel for the LTSP clients do not have the >> module for your Broadcom 440x 10/100 compiled. If this is correct, >> and you are very comfortable with Linux, you can always recompile the >> LTSP kernel with support for the module you need. >> >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:47:13 PM >> Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem >> >> >> I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in the laptop >> is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP >> 4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel >> finds the NIC and activates it no problem. >> >> HOWEVER >> >> There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron as a >> thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has an AMD >> Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE boot in >> the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and then I >> get the following: >> >> Running /linuxrc >> Mounting /proc >> >> ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. >> PCI cards should be detected automatically. >> ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver to be >> specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel command line, >> usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the >> LTSP docs for more info. >> >> Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! >> >> >> When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the NUMLOCK and >> CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back on to >> clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. >> >> Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Apr 27 00:43:48 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:43:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange behavior with eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <445013C4.3040903@cox-internet.com> Barry Cisna, Thanks for the suggestions. I did not have any /etc/dhclient.conf files on my system and all my network-scripts and /etc/sysconfig/networking/defaults were correct. Same with the Network settings gui. I had even removed all interfaces, restarted the system and re-entered the correct information. Then I discovered something odd: Even though I did not have dhcbdb or dhclient enabled at startup, dhcbdb was showing up whenever I did a "ps ax". Looking over the startup services I noticed that NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher were "on." Since I am running all static ip settings I turned them off. That seems to have solved the problem. . . so far. I no longer get dhcbdb when I do a "ps ax" Dan From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 01:19:29 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:19:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060425233659.43037734CD@hormel.redhat.com> <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/26/06, William Fragakis wrote: > Also, any idea how much more server resources it would take? If eth0 is on a gigabit NIC and switch port, I wouldn't worry about it. Get the 17" if you can afford it. You can always run the 17's at 1024x768 if you want to. It's not native res but most 17" LCDs still look good at this res. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 01:33:40 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:33:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD 17 vs. 15? In-Reply-To: <8FFB37A0-2711-4D48-B267-408DD9C3B4BC@mindfirestudios.com> References: <20060425233659.43037734CD@hormel.redhat.com> <1146058895.8011.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8FFB37A0-2711-4D48-B267-408DD9C3B4BC@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: On 4/26/06, Burke Almquist wrote: > > Yes, generally the network traffic and the client VRAM requirements > are based on the number of pixels times the color depth. 1600x1200 is > four times more pixels than 800x600, and going from 16 to 32 bits of > color would also probably have the same impact. Since X is fairly low > level (IIRC), increases in either pixels or color depth will have a > relatively proportional impact on the LAN traffic. Feel free to > correct me if I have anything wrong here. This is not exactly correct. Most of the X telegrams are not "pixel" based. The pixmap messages are for transferring icons and for graphical applications. 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URL: From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Thu Apr 27 07:20:09 2006 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:20:09 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261158.24364.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <444F9F98.9010503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1146122409.3340.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is the windows firewall enabled on the client?? cheers From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 12:38:41 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: dmesg doesn't show MAC address as it probes. It just shows the NICs and whether or not they are loaded. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 10:17, Doug Simpson wrote: > > could do that. . .hard to see without turning the server upside down. (not > > a good thing to do with it running. . .) > > > > May try to just look at night when no one is online and I cna shut it > > down. . . > > 'dmesg |less' should show the startup probe results and what > maps to which adapter. Why do you need to know? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 12:44:05 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:44:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <444FAD62.8070701@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <444FAD62.8070701@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Angus Carr wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have a server that has 3 NICs in it. > > > > Eth0 and Eth2 are configured. > > > > Eth0 is private and Eth2 is public in this K12LTSP server. > > > > What I want to do is enable eth1, give it a public number and use it to > > monitor traffic in and out of our LAN by connecting it to a *hub* that is > > between our router and our first public switch. > > > > I think all I need is to know how to determine the MAC address on the NIC > > so I can configure it. > > > > I can shutdown the server, remove the NIC and let kudzu remove it, then > > restart it and let kudzu re-configure it, and that may work, but I can't > > take it down to do that since it is our main server. > > > > Any ideas? > > > Try "ifconfig eth1" which will give you the MAC ID whether or not it's > configured/connected/etc - just as long as it is present. This does not give a MAC address, either. The interface has to be configured for ifconfig to show it as far as I can tell. > > For that matter, I can also get mine with "cat /proc/net/arp", but that > may only work with configured and connected if's. > /proc/net/dev contains a list of network devices, which also has MAC ID. > Again, this may only be the configured ones... > > Angus Carr. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 27 13:09:50 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:09:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 07:38, Doug Simpson wrote: > dmesg doesn't show MAC address as it probes. It just shows the NICs and > whether or not they are loaded. Must be OS version-related. I see things like: eth1: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY(5750)] (PCI Express) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:14:5e:32:27:d5 However, I still don't understand why you need to know a mac address anyway. Just assign it a private IP address on an unused subnet with the GUI network tool and bring it up. Then you should be able to use tcpdump, ethereal, ntop, or whatever you were planning to use to snoop - and then ifconfig will show the info if you do need it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 14:17:16 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:17:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I need the MAC address *so that I **can** use the GUI config tool* to configure it. That GUI keeps wanting to assign it to one of the other two and then stuff stops working. In other words, the GUI thing only shows and lets me configure the hardware that are currently on eth0 and eth2 MAC addresses. That third one does not show up as configurable. If I set it up, it actually sets both interfaces on the same NIC and there goes the rest of the network. This is why I need the MAC address so I can force it to use that third NIC. Hope this is understandable. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 07:38, Doug Simpson wrote: > > dmesg doesn't show MAC address as it probes. It just shows the NICs and > > whether or not they are loaded. > > Must be OS version-related. I see things like: > eth1: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY(5750)] (PCI Express) > 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:14:5e:32:27:d5 > > However, I still don't understand why you need to know a mac > address anyway. Just assign it a private IP address on an > unused subnet with the GUI network tool and bring it up. Then > you should be able to use tcpdump, ethereal, ntop, or whatever > you were planning to use to snoop - and then ifconfig will show > the info if you do need it. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Apr 27 14:41:13 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:41:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Censornet help In-Reply-To: <1146122409.3340.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060425233628.12551.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604261625.35533.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <1146122409.3340.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604271041.13840.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday April 27 2006 3:20 am, Paul Satherley wrote: > Is the windows firewall enabled on the client?? > cheers > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Good morning, I have an office full of tradesmen getting us toward our office move, so please be patent w/ my responses. No, Paul, Windows firewall is not enabled. I get the same response from my Linux desktop. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 27 15:29:25 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:29:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>> I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 >>> When I attempt to start Totem video player the player window will appear >>> on the monitor screen for about 1 second then it blinks out and is >>> replaced by an error message that says - Totem could not start up >>> Resource busy or not available. >> >> Go to System, Preferences, More Preferences, Multimedia Systems >> Selector, and change the Audio Default Output to ESD. > > I tried what you suggested and still have the same problem. Any other > suggestions really need to get it working because my students have > been figuring out how to do video things elsewhere and want to do them > in the classroom. I'm grasping now, but just for kicks, can you post the output of this: strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Apr 27 15:42:51 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:42:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:17 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > I need the MAC address *so that I **can** use the GUI config tool* to > configure it. That GUI keeps wanting to assign it to one of the other two > and then stuff stops working. > > In other words, the GUI thing only shows and lets me configure the > hardware that are currently on eth0 and eth2 MAC addresses. That third > one does not show up as configurable. If I set it up, it actually sets > both interfaces on the same NIC and there goes the rest of the network. > This is why I need the MAC address so I can force it to use that third > NIC. Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like none of the system tools are able to access it.... What does:: # ifconfig eth1 up # ifconfig eth1 do for you? Can you use the GUI tool after that? (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 27 17:33:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:33:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146159227.21601.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:17, Doug Simpson wrote: > I need the MAC address *so that I **can** use the GUI config tool* to > configure it. That GUI keeps wanting to assign it to one of the other two > and then stuff stops working. > > In other words, the GUI thing only shows and lets me configure the > hardware that are currently on eth0 and eth2 MAC addresses. That third > one does not show up as configurable. If I set it up, it actually sets > both interfaces on the same NIC and there goes the rest of the network. > This is why I need the MAC address so I can force it to use that third > NIC. > > Hope this is understandable. . . If 'dmesg' shows that eth1 was detected at boot time you should have an eth1 in the GUI that you can edit, and the hardware tab should show the NIC brand. Did you add this interface after installation or move/clone the system drive from a different machine? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Apr 27 17:39:24 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:39:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CEU's offered at NELS...and more information! Message-ID: Good Morning! Hope you all had a wonderful and restful April vacation. For the first time in years I actually got a ton of yard work done and I got all the wood in for next winter! Now that vacation has come and gone and summer is looming in the not too distant future...it's time for me to turn more of my attention to the upcoming Northeast Linux Symposium aka. NELS. This year Matt and I really have been on the ball and have gotten things going a lot earlier than before. The session presenters are all lined up...the schedule is pretty well finalized and registrations opened almost a month earlier than years past. Phew! Last year it was suggested by some of the attendees through personal conversations and the evaluation forms that we consider adding a ?track? for classroom teachers to learn more about integrating open source software in their own classrooms. We listened! This year we are offering a ?track? of sessions just for that purpose! I'm quite excited about it and due to the fact that I too, am a classroom teacher, I will be involved in presenting and making sure that it's a complete success! We have lined up some great presenters for all of our sessions...some new and some repeats...in all it's really looking like the best year ever to be learning about Linux and open source! I am pleased to say that we have several folks already registered, but we certainly hope more of you will join us! Several of you have spoken with me about your intent to attend, but have not registered....please register as soon as possible (even if you don't have the PO secured just yet). We're hoping that ?teams? of educators and tech folks can attend and spend time learning and planning together. Three days of hands-on learning....laid-back atmosphere....hanging out with colleagues...and fantastic food! CEU's will be offered! Looking for recertification credit? Need contact hours? No problem! We'll be offering college endorsed CEU's again this year...thanks to Jerry Holt! So if you need some credits....this is a great way to get a whole bunch of 'em! (for Maine folks) ACTEM professional development funds Just a reminder that ACTEM members (only costs $10....so join today!) can request up to $400 per year for professional development (conferences, classes, etc). Several folks have used this resource in the past to offset the costs for attending NELS. Visit the ACTEM website ([ http://www.actem.org/ ]www.actem.org) and click ?Professional Development? along the top for more information. Visit the NELS website (http://www.nelinux.net) for more information on both the Gould Academy and UNH conferences. Download the flyer....check out the sessions...etc. And most of all.....register to join us at NELS! Please register soon so Matt and I can get to work on the nuts and bolts like food....housing...and the like. Hope to see you in June! Enjoy the warmer weather! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 18:37:58 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like > none of the system tools are able to access it.... > > What does:: > # ifconfig eth1 up ifconfig eth1 up eth1: unknown interface: No such device > # ifconfig eth1 > do for you? > Can you use the GUI tool after that? > (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) > There is nothing anywhere in /etc/sysconfig/ for eth1. I may just have to shut this thing down and pull that card and restart without it and let kuzdu do it's thing and then re-installt and let kudzu do it's thing again and re-detect it. That is an evening thing, though. . . can't go there during school. . . Thanks for the help! From smooge at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 18:50:45 2006 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:50:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <80d7e4090604271150s72605220w993103a6f17ee726@mail.gmail.com> On 4/27/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like > > none of the system tools are able to access it.... > > > > What does:: > > # ifconfig eth1 up > I am coming very late into the conversation, but I hope this is helpful. What does " /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep '^[[:alnum:]]'" show: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 Next what does /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf show grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf alias eth0 tg3 if there is know entry for eth1 then we may have to add it before you can see it in ifconfig. I find that with lspci for modern eqt: /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) > ifconfig eth1 up > eth1: unknown interface: No such device > > > > # ifconfig eth1 > > do for you? > > Can you use the GUI tool after that? > > (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) > > > There is nothing anywhere in /etc/sysconfig/ for eth1. > > I may just have to shut this thing down and pull that card and restart > without it and let kuzdu do it's thing and then re-installt and let kudzu > do it's thing again and re-detect it. > > That is an evening thing, though. . . can't go there during school. . . > > Thanks for the help! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 19:03:15 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <1146159227.21601.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <444F8583.9020405@maltzen.net> <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146159227.21601.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: It shows up in dmesg, but that is it. This was in there from a new install and it used to be active, but somehow it got crossways with one of the other NICs and I had to unconfigure it. It hasn't been visible since. . . Will try to remove it and reboot and reset it up and see what happens. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:17, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I need the MAC address *so that I **can** use the GUI config tool* to > > configure it. That GUI keeps wanting to assign it to one of the other two > > and then stuff stops working. > > > > In other words, the GUI thing only shows and lets me configure the > > hardware that are currently on eth0 and eth2 MAC addresses. That third > > one does not show up as configurable. If I set it up, it actually sets > > both interfaces on the same NIC and there goes the rest of the network. > > This is why I need the MAC address so I can force it to use that third > > NIC. > > > > Hope this is understandable. . . > > If 'dmesg' shows that eth1 was detected at boot time you should > have an eth1 in the GUI that you can edit, and the hardware > tab should show the NIC brand. Did you add this interface > after installation or move/clone the system drive from a > different machine? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 19:11:30 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090604271150s72605220w993103a6f17ee726@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090604271150s72605220w993103a6f17ee726@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You guys ROCK!!! Read on. . . On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 4/27/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like > > > none of the system tools are able to access it.... > > > > > > What does:: > > > # ifconfig eth1 up > > > > I am coming very late into the conversation, but I hope this is helpful. > > What does " /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep '^[[:alnum:]]'" show: dev12250 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:A9:9E eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:1F:68:A9:39 eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:99:1C lo Link encap:Local Loopback So apparently, the MAC address for the third NIC is xx:9e above. > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 > > Next what does /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf show alias eth0 e1000 alias eth2 e100 alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx alias scsi_hostadapter1 megaraid alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias eth1 e100 > > grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf > alias eth0 tg3 grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf returns: alias eth0 e1000 alias eth1 e100 alias eth2 e100 > > if there is know entry for eth1 then we may have to add it before you > can see it in ifconfig. I find that with lspci for modern eqt: > > /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet > 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) lspci | grep Ethernet returns: 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82544GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (LOM) (rev 02) 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0d) 06:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0d) I think I can get it configured now. . . I know the MAC address! Thanks and I will post results soon. . . Doug > > > > > ifconfig eth1 up > > eth1: unknown interface: No such device > > > > > > > # ifconfig eth1 > > > do for you? > > > Can you use the GUI tool after that? > > > (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) > > > > > There is nothing anywhere in /etc/sysconfig/ for eth1. > > > > I may just have to shut this thing down and pull that card and restart > > without it and let kuzdu do it's thing and then re-installt and let kudzu > > do it's thing again and re-detect it. > > > > That is an evening thing, though. . . can't go there during school. . . > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 19:24:38 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090604271150s72605220w993103a6f17ee726@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: OOPS!!!! Can't set the gateway on that interface. . . Locked the whole schmo down. . . Don't need the gateway for what I am going to be doing with it anyway, I don't think. . . Thanks again! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > You guys ROCK!!! > Read on. . . > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 4/27/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like > > > > none of the system tools are able to access it.... > > > > > > > > What does:: > > > > # ifconfig eth1 up > > > > > > > I am coming very late into the conversation, but I hope this is helpful. > > > > What does " /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep '^[[:alnum:]]'" show: > > dev12250 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:A9:9E > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:1F:68:A9:39 > eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:99:1C > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > So apparently, the MAC address for the third NIC is xx:9e above. > > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 > > > > Next what does /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf show > > alias eth0 e1000 > alias eth2 e100 > alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx > alias scsi_hostadapter1 megaraid > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > alias eth1 e100 > > > > > > > grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf > > alias eth0 tg3 > > grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf > returns: > alias eth0 e1000 > alias eth1 e100 > alias eth2 e100 > > > > > > if there is know entry for eth1 then we may have to add it before you > > can see it in ifconfig. I find that with lspci for modern eqt: > > > > /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet > > 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 > > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) > > lspci | grep Ethernet > returns: > > 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82544GC Gigabit Ethernet > Controller (LOM) (rev 02) > 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > 0d) > 06:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > 0d) > > I think I can get it configured now. . . > > I know the MAC address! > > Thanks and I will post results soon. . . > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > ifconfig eth1 up > > > eth1: unknown interface: No such device > > > > > > > > > > # ifconfig eth1 > > > > do for you? > > > > Can you use the GUI tool after that? > > > > (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) > > > > > > > There is nothing anywhere in /etc/sysconfig/ for eth1. > > > > > > I may just have to shut this thing down and pull that card and restart > > > without it and let kuzdu do it's thing and then re-installt and let kudzu > > > do it's thing again and re-detect it. > > > > > > That is an evening thing, though. . . can't go there during school. . . > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen J Smoogen. > > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 27 19:20:17 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Finding MAC address for NIC In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50604260812t7794d0dfgdc9100c6457392f7@mail.gmail.com> <1146065132.30286.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146143390.11491.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1146152572.3135.3.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090604271150s72605220w993103a6f17ee726@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: With the information provided, I was able to configure that pasky device and it is now online! Thanks Smoogen! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > You guys ROCK!!! > Read on. . . > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 4/27/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure the other NIC is working? It sounds more and more like > > > > none of the system tools are able to access it.... > > > > > > > > What does:: > > > > # ifconfig eth1 up > > > > > > > I am coming very late into the conversation, but I hope this is helpful. > > > > What does " /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep '^[[:alnum:]]'" show: > > dev12250 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:A9:9E > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:1F:68:A9:39 > eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:0C:51:99:1C > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > So apparently, the MAC address for the third NIC is xx:9e above. > > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 > > > > Next what does /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf show > > alias eth0 e1000 > alias eth2 e100 > alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx > alias scsi_hostadapter1 megaraid > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > alias eth1 e100 > > > > > > > grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf > > alias eth0 tg3 > > grep eth /etc/modprobe.conf > returns: > alias eth0 e1000 > alias eth1 e100 > alias eth2 e100 > > > > > > if there is know entry for eth1 then we may have to add it before you > > can see it in ifconfig. I find that with lspci for modern eqt: > > > > /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet > > 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 > > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) > > lspci | grep Ethernet > returns: > > 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82544GC Gigabit Ethernet > Controller (LOM) (rev 02) > 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > 0d) > 06:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > 0d) > > I think I can get it configured now. . . > > I know the MAC address! > > Thanks and I will post results soon. . . > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > ifconfig eth1 up > > > eth1: unknown interface: No such device > > > > > > > > > > # ifconfig eth1 > > > > do for you? > > > > Can you use the GUI tool after that? > > > > (Did you check inside /etc/sysconfig/hwconf?) > > > > > > > There is nothing anywhere in /etc/sysconfig/ for eth1. > > > > > > I may just have to shut this thing down and pull that card and restart > > > without it and let kuzdu do it's thing and then re-installt and let kudzu > > > do it's thing again and re-detect it. > > > > > > That is an evening thing, though. . . can't go there during school. . . > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen J Smoogen. > > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 23:59:35 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:59:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Future thin clients Message-ID: <9bd317560604271659w1c72906g12200343042a5bd8@mail.gmail.com> These look like they'll make great thin clients! Let's hope they materialize. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060425-6675.html From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Apr 28 09:45:17 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:45:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RDP Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200604280945.17313.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> This was pointed out to me yesterday and I decided to give it a go. www.thinstuff.com/products/touch-rdpserver/ I used our FC3 development box as the server and an HP Compaq T5520 (Windows CE) client. It works fine but it is very slow compared to LTSP. We use the T5520s as our clients (obviously with CE disabled), so I was comparing apples with apples. My rigorous testing consisted of a few games of xgammon, and I found that the screen refresh rate on the RDP server was very slow. We all know that the LTSP rocks, and I've now proven it :-) -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Fri Apr 28 09:10:23 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:10:23 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem In-Reply-To: <200604280945.17313.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <200604280945.17313.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20060428121023.jyj6ekhjhe3os4kg@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Urgent need for help! Something has happened with our 4.4.2 server: Clients get IP, but then they stuck with TFTP... and nothing happens. What,s the problem and how can I fix it? Mikko Jordman Finland From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Apr 28 10:15:08 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem In-Reply-To: <20060428121023.jyj6ekhjhe3os4kg@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <200604280945.17313.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <20060428121023.jyj6ekhjhe3os4kg@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <53024.70.33.151.214.1146219308.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> mIIKO: CAN YOU COME TO #LTSP FREenode.net on irc? We can help you there easier..chuck > Urgent need for help! > > Something has happened with our 4.4.2 server: > Clients get IP, but then they stuck with > TFTP... > > and nothing happens. > > What,s the problem and how can I fix it? > > > Mikko Jordman > Finland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 28 16:01:38 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:01:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? Message-ID: <36350.172.28.8.56.1146240098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Just done an install of K12LTSP 5.0 32-bit for the first time. Ive searched back through the archives here and can not find anything about this? I did manually re-run the K12Linux-LTSP-initialize file a second time, but im still getting:" k12ltsp-named.conf "file is missing in the " server services" when viewing named, as well as at bootup. I'm sure someone else has encountered this. Ive installed a couple times,and come with this error. I'm not sure if it is only the k12ltsp-named.conf is missing and also shows "connection failed" to the rndckey as well? Thanks, Barry Cisna From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 28 16:07:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:07:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? In-Reply-To: <36350.172.28.8.56.1146240098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <36350.172.28.8.56.1146240098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <44523DB5.900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > Just done an install of K12LTSP 5.0 32-bit for the first time. Ive > searched back through the archives here and can not find anything about > this? > I did manually re-run the K12Linux-LTSP-initialize file a second time, but > im still getting:" k12ltsp-named.conf "file is missing in the " server > services" when viewing named, as well as at bootup. > I'm sure someone else has encountered this. Ive installed a couple > times,and come with this error. > I'm not sure if it is only the k12ltsp-named.conf is missing and also > shows "connection failed" to the rndckey as well? > > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > Is the caching-nameserver-ltsp package installed? rpm -q caching-nameserver-ltsp If not, install it: yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp BTW which build did you use, the latest BETA4 or an earlier one? -Eric From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Apr 28 17:09:02 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:09:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxFest NW in Bellingham Sat Apr 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44524C2E.60502@sierra-computer.com> Robert I will be driving up from Portland. If you need me to bring anything let me know. I do have a 15" LCD monitor that I can bring, as well as some extra clients. I will be glad to volunteer for a little while. See you there. Steve Knopik Sierra Computer Services Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Just like to let everyone know of LinuxFest NorthWest on April 29 in >Bellingham WA. USA > >http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ > >We are going to have a table for LTSP/K12LTSP running the latest >FC5/K12LTSP featuring the new LTSP 4.2 > >Eric H. and Jim M. will be giving talks in the morning. > >http://blug.org/schedule-times.dxp > >Wondering if some people on this list would volunteer to help man the >table. Even half an hour would be appreciated. >Also if someone would be willing to bring an LCD display (15" is fine) >that would be great. I am going to bring a small server and two >clients. I would prefer not to bring CRT monitors. > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 28 17:30:58 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:30:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? Message-ID: <39570.172.28.8.56.1146245458.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Eric, Just checked and i do have caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-5.k12ltsp.5.0.0 installed. This is K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA4-32bit just downloaded two days ago. I did do a network install of K12LTSP 5.0 ( 32 -bit). If i try and manually start > service named start < i get " Locating /var/named/chroot//etc/named-k12ltsp.conf failed:" Starting named: Error in named configuration: none:0 open: /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf: file not found there is in fact an /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf but there is also a link to named.conf in /etc as well? this looks different than previous K12ltsp versions? Does this make sense? Thanks, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 28 18:01:50 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:01:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? Message-ID: <40041.172.28.8.56.1146247310.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Eric, I found this in my /etc/sysconfig/named.conf file at the end OPTIONS=" -c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" ROOTDIR=/var/named/chroot is this correct? also i forgot to mention as well as being a network install of K12LTSP 5.0 i did NOT do an actual default K12LTSP install I done a custom install as i wanted to add a lot of "extras",, development, xwindows devel,etc. Thanks, Barry Cisna From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 28 18:17:53 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:17:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail I ran this command line in terminal and got nothing back except a new cursor. What should I try next? Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:30 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > John P. Conlon wrote: > > Dan Young wrote: > >> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>> I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 > >>> When I attempt to start Totem video player the player window > will appear > >>> on the monitor screen for about 1 second then it blinks out and is > >>> replaced by an error message that says - Totem could not start up > >>> Resource busy or not available. > >> > >> Go to System, Preferences, More Preferences, Multimedia Systems > >> Selector, and change the Audio Default Output to ESD. > > > > I tried what you suggested and still have the same problem. Any > other> suggestions really need to get it working because my > students have > > been figuring out how to do video things elsewhere and want to do > them> in the classroom. > > I'm grasping now, but just for kicks, can you post the output of this: > > strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 28 18:20:40 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:20:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxFest NW in Bellingham Sat Apr 29 In-Reply-To: <44524C2E.60502@sierra-computer.com> References: <44524C2E.60502@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: On 4/28/06, Steve Knopik wrote: > Robert > > I will be driving up from Portland. If you need me to bring anything let > me know. I do have a 15" LCD monitor that I can bring, as well as some > extra clients. I will be glad to volunteer for a little while. Thanks Steve but I managed to get 3 LCD's and all the hardware for the exhibit. So we are okay hardware wise. Anyone from this list is welcome to help man the booth for as short or as long as you like. Looking forward to meeting other ltsp/k12ltspers. See ya tomorrow. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 28 18:29:48 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:29:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail > > I ran this command line in terminal and got nothing back except a new > cursor. Probably don't have strace installed. The "bash: strace: command not found" is being masked by the grep. yum install strace and run it again. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 28 18:35:04 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:35:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem In-Reply-To: <44500DF0.8050009@McQuil.com> References: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44500CF0.2010603@elp.rr.com> <44500DF0.8050009@McQuil.com> Message-ID: I went to the wiki and it said to go to the following and modify the default file. /tftpboot/lts/2.4.26-ltsp-2/pxelinux.cfg/default I got a null return on a change directory commant to get me down to the default file. I tracked this folder by folder and discovered that I do not have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 folder. What do I need to do to resolve this and get on withsolving the original problem? Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Cc: Chris Thomas > The broadcom card should be supported by the tg3 driver, which IS > included in the LTSP kernels. > > Possibly, the particular PCI Vendor/Device ids aren't in the > niclist > file, which causes the autodetection to fail. > > To force a particular driver, you need to pass NIC=tg3 on the > kernel > command line. > > This is done by following the information in this wiki article: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > Unfortunately I am more of a user than a software writer. I need > a > > set of very detailed instructions to be able to do something like > you > > are suggesting. You wouldn't happen to have those instructions > in a > > convenient file would you? > > Bye > > Pat > > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > >> It could be that the kernel for the LTSP clients do not have the > >> module for your Broadcom 440x 10/100 compiled. If this is > correct, > >> and you are very comfortable with Linux, you can always > recompile the > >> LTSP kernel with support for the module you need. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com > >> To: k12osn at redhat.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:47:13 PM > >> Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem > >> > >> > >> I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in > the laptop > >> is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP > >> 4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel > >> finds the NIC and activates it no problem. > >> > >> HOWEVER > >> > >> There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron > as a > >> thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has > an AMD > >> Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE > boot in > >> the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and > then I > >> get the following: > >> > >> Running /linuxrc > >> Mounting /proc > >> > >> ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > >> PCI cards should be detected automatically. > >> ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver > to be > >> specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel > command line, > >> usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. > See the > >> LTSP docs for more info. > >> > >> Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! > >> > >> > >> When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the > NUMLOCK and > >> CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back > on to > >> clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. > >> > >> Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly > appreciated.>> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Pat > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 28 18:40:22 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:40:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Okay, here is the output from the strace [root at server lts]# strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail open("/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)open("/usr/lib/tls/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/lib/tls/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail > > > > I ran this command line in terminal and got nothing back except a > new> cursor. > > Probably don't have strace installed. The "bash: strace: command not > found" is being masked by the grep. > > yum install strace > > and run it again. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Apr 28 19:06:39 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:06:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard repeat rate issue Message-ID: <20060428150639.13105e4a@localhost.localdomain> I posted this a little while ago on the LTSP list, but did not get any answer, so I thought I would try it here. Hopefully someone here can help me. --------------- One of my clients has an unusable keyboard repeat rate when in X and I am not sure where I can fix that. I have SCREEN_01 = startx and SCREEN_02 = shell . If I stay with X (gdm in this case) I can not log in because just a tap of the key produces multible letters. This happens with all the keys (space, backspace, tab, etc). One press results in multiple letters/results. If I CTRL-ALT-F2 to go to the terminal, the keys all act fine. This same client "dual boots" into Windows, and the keyboard is fine there. I have tried trading out the keyboard for a another one, but same results. All other clients are acting fine. NOTE: The client worked fine under 4.1. When I made the switch to 4.2, I also changed this clients monitor (since the old one died) and it's mouse. The mouse (while under 4.1) was an old serial mouse, now (under 4.2) it is a Logitech USB wireless mouse. I doubt those have anything to do with it, but thought I should mention any changes. I unfortunatlly wiped out the 4.1 directory, so I have not tried switching it back to see what would happen. The clients config is: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.74.3 SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell #for trouble shooting SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd # nasd or esd VOLUME = 70 MIC_VOLUME = 70 CD_VOLUME = 70 LOCAL_STORAGE = Y USE_XFS = N [192.168.74.2] # SiS 530 chipset XSERVER = sis X4_MODULE_01 = glx X_MODE_0 = 800x600 at 75 49.85 800 832 1016 1048 600 611 619 631 # LogiTech USB Wheel Mouse X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN = N X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" # ESS Solo-1 chipset SMODULE_01 = "esssolo1" SMODULE_02 = "snd-seq-device" SMODULE_03 = "snd-seq-midi" SMODULE_04 = "snd-mixer-oss" -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From andrae.findlator at gmail.com Fri Apr 28 19:41:25 2006 From: andrae.findlator at gmail.com (Andrae Findlator) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:41:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Next Release Message-ID: When is the next k12ltsp release date? 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URL: From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 28 19:49:27 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:49:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <445271C7.8080208@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Okay, here is the output from the strace > > [root at server lts]# strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail > open("/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > open("/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory)open("/usr/lib/tls/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/lib/tls/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such > file or directory) > open("/usr/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such > file or directory) > open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file or directory) > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file or directory) > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file or directory) > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file or directory) I was hoping to see totem unable to open /dev/dsp or something similar. Bummer, dude. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 28 20:09:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:09:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <445271C7.8080208@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> <445271C7.8080208@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4452767C.6050502@maltzen.net> For the record, totem has never worked for me, on the 4.2 (FC4) nor on the 5.0 (FC5) releases. I think I get the same error as Pat. On 5.0 (beta1) I've just used mplayer and xine instead. I started with mplayer alone, but wanting more than just a bare window with no controls, I installed mplayer-gui, but it crashes a lot. xine works fine and no crashes so far. Petre Dan Young wrote: > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >> Okay, here is the output from the strace >> >> [root at server lts]# strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT | tail >> open("/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file >> or directory) >> open("/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or >> directory)open("/usr/lib/tls/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 >> ENOENT (No such file or directory) >> open("/usr/lib/tls/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such >> file or directory) >> open("/usr/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such >> file or directory) >> open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file >> or directory) >> open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No >> such file or directory) >> open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No >> such file or directory) >> open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No >> such file or directory) >> open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No >> such file or directory) > > I was hoping to see totem unable to open /dev/dsp or something similar. > > Bummer, dude. > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 28 21:01:11 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:01:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? Message-ID: <1146258071.4371.8.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Eric, I got the named thing resolved. I wound up commenting out the line in the /etc/sysconfig/named.conf ROOTDIR=/var/named/chroot As soon as I commented out this line then i done a and named fired right up. Yeehaw! I havent tried much other than i did get this server to boot up one client. Thats all Ive had time for today. Thanks for all the work you do on the K12LTSP project. I'm not sure how the extra line got in the named.conf file. As I said I did not do a "usual" default K12LTSP install& maybe there is a rpm that made the config file that got wonky in this regard ? I done a custom network install of K12LTSP just for future reference ,as I wanted to get most of the extra goodies installed via the network, so I didnt have to juggle CD's afterwords. Take Care, Barry Cisna From jjjggg at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 22:08:05 2006 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:08:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 Message-ID: I've installed K12LTSP 5 beta 4 and it works great. I also installed LTSP-4.2 as per the instructions and everything seems to be working fine. Probably silly newbie questions, but how can I tell which version(s) is installed on an LTSP server? Also how can I tell which version a client is running? Is there something to look for when it's booting up? Which version did beta 4 have? Thanks in advance! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces redhat com [mailto:k12osn-bounces redhat com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM To: ltsp-discuss lists sourceforge net; ltsp-announce lists sourceforge net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 The following updates are now available: o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for Kubuntu-breezy. - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. o vidlist - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of i810 chipsets. - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of nvidia chipsets. o startx - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 - Added sis7019 audio driver. - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems for Xorg. - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 workstations. If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first install the newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en Ciao, Jim McQuillan jam Ltsp org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN redhat com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Apr 29 01:57:10 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:57:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <445271C7.8080208@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <444E86A2.1070102@mesd.k12.or.us> <44500D65.1020803@elp.rr.com> <4450E355.3030209@mesd.k12.or.us> <44525F1C.7090006@mesd.k12.or.us> <445271C7.8080208@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: So what should I try on Monday when I get back to school? I have seen totem run on another server in a different school district and my students would be able to work with it and its editing stuff, but... Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Okay, here is the output from the strace > > > > [root at server lts]# strace -e trace=open totem 2>&1 | grep ENOENT > | tail > > open("/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file > > or directory) > > open("/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such > file or > > directory)open("/usr/lib/tls/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = > -1 > > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > > open("/usr/lib/tls/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such> file or directory) > > open("/usr/lib/i686/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such> file or directory) > > open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such > file> or directory) > > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No > > such file or directory) > > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > > such file or directory) > > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No > > such file or directory) > > open("/root/.icons/Bluecurve/index.theme", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > > such file or directory) > > I was hoping to see totem unable to open /dev/dsp or something > similar. > Bummer, dude. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 29 02:11:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-named.conf missing? In-Reply-To: <1146258071.4371.8.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1146258071.4371.8.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Eric, > > I got the named thing resolved. I wound up commenting out the line in > the /etc/sysconfig/named.conf > ROOTDIR=/var/named/chroot > As soon as I commented out this line then i done a > and named fired right up. Yeehaw! > I havent tried much other than i did get this server to boot up one > client. Thats all Ive had time for today. > Thanks for all the work you do on the K12LTSP project. > I'm not sure how the extra line got in the named.conf file. As I said I > did not do a "usual" default K12LTSP install& maybe there is a rpm that > made the config file that got wonky in this regard ? > I done a custom network install of K12LTSP just for future reference ,as > I wanted to get most of the extra goodies installed via the network, so > I didnt have to juggle CD's afterwords. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna Thanks Barry, This is a minor bug on my part, I didn't test it with the bind-chroot package installed (which adds the ROOTDIR= line). I'll get that fixed after I get back from LinuxFest NorthWest this weekend. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 29 02:16:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem In-Reply-To: References: <20060426230243.24708.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44500CF0.2010603@elp.rr.com> <44500DF0.8050009@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I went to the wiki and it said to go to the following and modify the > default file. > > /tftpboot/lts/2.4.26-ltsp-2/pxelinux.cfg/default > > I got a null return on a change directory commant to get me down to the > default file. I tracked this folder by folder and discovered that I do > not have a 2.4.26-ltsp-2 folder. What do I need to do to resolve this > and get on withsolving the original problem? > Thanks > Pat The file on K12LTSP is /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default -Eric > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:19 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Cc: Chris Thomas > >> The broadcom card should be supported by the tg3 driver, which IS >> included in the LTSP kernels. >> >> Possibly, the particular PCI Vendor/Device ids aren't in the >> niclist >> file, which causes the autodetection to fail. >> >> To force a particular driver, you need to pass NIC=tg3 on the >> kernel >> command line. >> >> This is done by following the information in this wiki article: >> >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> Unfortunately I am more of a user than a software writer. I need >> a >>> set of very detailed instructions to be able to do something like >> you >>> are suggesting. You wouldn't happen to have those instructions >> in a >>> convenient file would you? >>> Bye >>> Pat >>> >>> Chris Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> It could be that the kernel for the LTSP clients do not have the >>>> module for your Broadcom 440x 10/100 compiled. If this is >> correct, >>>> and you are very comfortable with Linux, you can always >> recompile the >>>> LTSP kernel with support for the module you need. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com >>>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:47:13 PM >>>> Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x wierd problem >>>> >>>> >>>> I have an Inspiron 6000 laptop running dual boot. The NIC in >> the laptop >>>> is a Broadcom 440x 10/100. In the Linux side I am running K12LTSP >>>> 4.4.1. When I boot to the linus\x side as a stand alone the kernel >>>> finds the NIC and activates it no problem. >>>> >>>> HOWEVER >>>> >>>> There are times when I need to or would like to run the inspiron >> as a >>>> thin client. The server is also running K12ltsp 4.4.1. It has >> an AMD >>>> Athalon processor and 1.5 Gig of RAM. When I activate the PXE >> boot in >>>> the laptop the server starts to load up the terminal stuff and >> then I >>>> get the following: >>>> >>>> Running /linuxrc >>>> Mounting /proc >>>> >>>> ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. >>>> PCI cards should be detected automatically. >>>> ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require the nic driver >> to be >>>> specified in a ?NIC=? parameter to be passed on the kernel >> command line, >>>> usually specified in option-129. in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. >> See the >>>> LTSP docs for more info. >>>> >>>> Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! >>>> >>>> >>>> When this happens everything in the Inspiron stops and the >> NUMLOCK and >>>> CAPSLOCK lights blink. I have to turn the Inspiron off and back >> on to >>>> clear this and allow it to boot as a stand alone. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions or help on fixing this would be greatly >> appreciated.>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> Pat >>>>