From william at fragakis.com Sun Jul 1 02:40:59 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:40:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs: server not responding, still trying In-Reply-To: <20070630160020.4C7207348D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070630160020.4C7207348D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1183257659.6769.8.camel@server.ltsp> What kind of clients and nics (both client and server) I'm assuming you saw the following in the ltsp wiki? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding regards, William On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:41:52 +0200 > From: Nils Breunese > Subject: [K12OSN] nfs: server not responding, still trying > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > I just installed K12LTSP 5 EL (the CentOS based distribution) on a > Dell PowerEdge 2900. The clients are network booting, but seem to > hang at "nfs: server 10.0.0.254 not responding, still trying". The > NFS service is running on the server as far as I can see. I even > disabled the firewall, but still no luck. I hopped on #ltsp, but no > one seemed to awake (I'm in Europe). > > Does anyone have any idea? > > Nils Breunese. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Sun Jul 1 04:04:41 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:04:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us><4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com><959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people can just grab it and run. Nice work Eric! -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3611 bytes Desc: not available URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 08:16:31 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:16:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Radius server? Message-ID: I have some IT folks coming to our school next week. One of them mentioned using RADIUS, for centralised authorisation. We have an IPCOP firewall and a K12LTSP sever running smbldap, with about 20+ thin clients and 4-5 laptops connecting through 2 wireless accesspoints. We also have a koha library server and are considering implementing an Asterisk VOIP pabx also. Is a Radius server likely to be useful for us? Krsnendu dasa From nils at breun.nl Sun Jul 1 08:47:09 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:47:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs: server not responding, still trying In-Reply-To: <1183257659.6769.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20070630160020.4C7207348D@hormel.redhat.com> <1183257659.6769.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <579FFD9E-895F-4BC1-B9BC-299B3A93091B@breun.nl> William Fragakis wrote: > What kind of clients and nics (both client and server) > > I'm assuming you saw the following in the ltsp wiki? > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding Yes, and I already mentioned that fixed it. I tested two clients up two now (two random old pc's) and apparently they needed those smaller NFS block sizes. We'll be testing the rest of the clients (more random old pc's) today. Thanks! Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did some exploratory work using FreeRADIUS with smbldap for implementing "WPA Enterprise" security and I put up a "Howto": http://jnet.vi/OSS-Net/Smbldap-Wifi/smbldap-wifi.html There is a link to a tarball with all the modified files mentioned in this document: http://jnet.vi/OSS-Net/Smbldap-Wifi/smbldap-wifi.tar.gz You continue usint LDAP for Linux authentication, RADIUS is used only as a means of re-using the same (LDAP) credential store with your Wifi Access Points. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From nadavkav at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 13:20:13 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:20:13 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 7.0 crash on install In-Reply-To: <200706272158.27987.rgarza28@gmail.com> References: <468233D3.20203@pm.ee> <200706272158.27987.rgarza28@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0707010620o22548033j5a3bd021fa4fbeee@mail.gmail.com> we have this one too :-( On 6/28/07, Ray Garza wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 June 2007 04:54:27 Mella wrote: > > Beta 5 DVD have still same "unhandled exception" after formatting disk. > > Maybe it comes out only on IBM Thinkpad T2x series with 256MB RAM? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Yup, it did the same thing on my server. Would be nice if we could get the > info to Eric. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 1 19:06:44 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:06:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us><4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com><959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> Be careful with United Streaming. We've got a subscription too, and it is, unfortunately, .WMV based. That means you'll probably have to get the MPlayer codec pack if you want it to work. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kemp, Levi wrote: > I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III > Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... > > On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: > And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a > 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use > very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons > but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! > > I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. > > Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people > can just grab it and run. > > Nice work Eric! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 20:09:10 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:09:10 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] recordmydesktop: so cool I had to share In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50706230941jca9656ege05c8f45583e249d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20706231827y88b2621k1b2b37f167cf9917@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0707011309t5d9b23a4qd9df413c0c3d917a@mail.gmail.com> thanks ! works great !!! :-) On 6/24/07, Daniel Bodanske wrote: > > There is a frontend called gtk-recordmydesktop whic is apt installable > on Ubuntu. Istanbul always had trouble with mouse trailers and sound > for me. gtk-record... just works for me and colves my screencast > problems. > > Dan > > On 6/24/07, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 23/06/07, john wrote: > > > I just found out about recordmydesktop > > > http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php > > > > Will try and revert. > > > > > It essentially takes a movie of all of your desktop sounds and actions > > > and saves them to .ogg or other open formats. It would be a great way > > > to make howto's and tutorials for Linux/FOSS apps. > > > > Had tried istanbul in the past with decent results. Also a simple > > install with apt-get > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Jul 1 20:56:45 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:56:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com> <959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I'm working on the writeup for what I did. It works _very_ well (which is quite surprising!) Note: I did NOT install the essential_codec pack. The last time I tried wmv playback was useless. Note 2: U.S.com also has Quicktime playback and it also plays very well. On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 15:06 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Be careful with United Streaming. We've got a subscription too, and > it is, unfortunately, .WMV based. That means you'll probably have to > get the MPlayer codec pack if you want it to work. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-1 Schools > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III > > Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... > > > > On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: > > And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a > > 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use > > very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons > > but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! > > > > I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. > > > > Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people > > can just grab it and run. > > > > Nice work Eric! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Would be nice if we could get the >>info to Eric. >> >>Ray >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. It?s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From gjk_lists at rogers.com Mon Jul 2 00:09:07 2007 From: gjk_lists at rogers.com (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:09:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 7.0 crash on install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1183334947.27816.18.camel@howick.ltsp> Not in my case. The install from a stock Fedora 7 (DVD) went fine, the install from the K12ltsp-7 (Beta 3 DVD) failed. Both on the same IBM Thinkpad X31 with 512MB RAM. I see there is a beta 5 DVD. I will rsync it this evening and try another install tomorrow (and report the results). - gustav On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 16:52 -0500, Lance Jahnig wrote: > Is this simular to the problem you are having? > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241754 > > > >From: "Nadav Kavalerchik" > >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 7.0 crash on install > >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:20:13 +0300 > > > >we have this one too :-( > > > >On 6/28/07, Ray Garza wrote: > >> > >>On Wednesday 27 June 2007 04:54:27 Mella wrote: > >> > Beta 5 DVD have still same "unhandled exception" after formatting disk. > >> > Maybe it comes out only on IBM Thinkpad T2x series with 256MB RAM? > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > >>Yup, it did the same thing on my server. Would be nice if we could get the > >>info to Eric. > >> > >>Ray > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. > Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 2 00:44:22 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:44:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com> <959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46884A66.6050706@cmosnetworks.com> When that write-up is done, please do share it! --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! James P. Kinney III wrote: > I'm working on the writeup for what I did. It works _very_ well (which > is quite surprising!) > > Note: I did NOT install the essential_codec pack. The last time I tried > wmv playback was useless. > > Note 2: U.S.com also has Quicktime playback and it also plays very well. > > On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 15:06 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> Be careful with United Streaming. We've got a subscription too, and >> it is, unfortunately, .WMV based. That means you'll probably have to >> get the MPlayer codec pack if you want it to work. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >> >>> I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. >>> >>> Levi Kemp >>> Technology Specialist >>> Bolivar R-1 Schools >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III >>> Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM >>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... >>> >>> On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: >>> And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a >>> 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use >>> very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons >>> but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! >>> >>> I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. >>> >>> Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people >>> can just grab it and run. >>> >>> Nice work Eric! >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sepheebear at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 00:52:00 2007 From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:52:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up passwordless ssh access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/15/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have run ssh-keygen on my home Ubuntu computer. > Then I pasted the contents of id_rsa.pub into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > on the K12LTSP server. > > When I ssh in it still prompts me for my password. Makes sense because your client doesnt have the server's key but your server surely does have the client's key. The client needs the server's key to connect passwordless. (and all of that permissions stuff given in this thread has to be in place as well.) > What else do have have to do so I don't have to enter my password > every time I ssh in? In this case it looks like you will have no problems ssh'ing back into your ubuntu box from your LTSP server without a password, but if you want to connect to your LTSP server without a password you need to run ssh-keygen on the LTSP server and import that key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys your ubuntu box. Seth From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 02:30:46 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 22:30:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: <46884A66.6050706@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com> <959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46884A66.6050706@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1183343446.3297.166.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 20:44 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > When that write-up is done, please do share it! Here it is! http://www.localnetsolutions.com/tctools.html It seems my ability to edit the wikki is nonexistent at the moment. I have a README.txt file on the web and in the tarball. The tarball is ~21MB. It contains a script that will do most of the upgrade/installation process. There are also two other little scripts that solved some issues for me. They are all documented in the README as well the scripts themselves. Yes. I document my scripts now. :) One of my engineers on the APS install threatened to do horrible things to my beer supply if I didn't at least start at least leaving bread crumbs of what I was doing :) > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > I'm working on the writeup for what I did. It works _very_ well (which > > is quite surprising!) > > > > Note: I did NOT install the essential_codec pack. The last time I tried > > wmv playback was useless. > > > > Note 2: U.S.com also has Quicktime playback and it also plays very well. > > > > On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 15:06 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > Be careful with United Streaming. We've got a subscription too, and > > > it is, unfortunately, .WMV based. That means you'll probably have to > > > get the MPlayer codec pack if you want it to work. > > > > > > --TP > > > _______________________________ > > > Do you GNU!? > > > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > > > > > > > > > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > > > I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. > > > > > > > > Levi Kemp > > > > Technology Specialist > > > > Bolivar R-1 Schools > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III > > > > Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM > > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: > > > > And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a > > > > 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use > > > > very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons > > > > but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! > > > > > > > > I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. > > > > > > > > Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people > > > > can just grab it and run. > > > > > > > > Nice work Eric! > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From centerplacedude at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 03:00:16 2007 From: centerplacedude at gmail.com (Jason Smith) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:00:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help Message-ID: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have installed K12LTSP 6. I would like some help performing the following: 1) I would like to remove the session chooser on the terminals. In other words, I want the users to be forced to go into Gnome and not have a choice for any other display managers. 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only go to our library catalog. 3) I would like to disable the Alt-F1 function on all terminals (which displays the main menu bar). I got volunteered to get an LTSP system set up for my local library and I have been beating my head against the wall on these security issues. Any help would be so greatly appreciated. Jason R. Smith, Volunteer Duncan Public Library Duncan, OK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 03:43:22 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:43:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL Message-ID: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Just to post the results to the list: V. 5.0EL 64-bit is an excellent piece of work. Glad to see and start adding to it :) I initially had some trouble getting sound to work on the clients at all. The rc.sound file _should_ have worked but apparently the environment variable that is set to clear out the terminate variable is never read by esd. That was fixed by adding a call in the esd startup line to reference the variable that set "-public". Prior, port 16001 was closed on the clients. All of the current _working_ stuff is in the tarball on my website www.localnetsolutions.com/tctools.html An issue I have not figured out is the use of other yum repos. I have the rpmforge repo activated but it is ignored unless I explicitly --enablerepo=rpmforge. I do have the protect base files plugin installed but the rpmforge is marked protect=0 (the opposite of Centos-Base and K12LTSP) and yet it is not updated or checked unless manually enabled. This has worked before on Fedora and prior Centos. I'll need to dig more in RedHat docs and find out what changed. -- James P. 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You never need to create a key pair on a server, only on the client computer that needs to connect to the server. >> What else do have have to do so I don't have to enter my password >> every time I ssh in? > 1- On your client computer create a key pair using: ssh-keygen -t dsa. Do *not* enter a passphrase. 2- Copy the contents of the file ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub from your client computer (public half of the key) into the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. You can do this easily with scp. Or open a second terminal and ssh (with password for now) into the server, then copy/paste from the local file to the server using the mouse. 3- Make sure permissions are correct. On the server ~.ssh/authorized_keys must be read only for the user, i.e. chmod 0600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. That should do it. Regards, Micha -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arava Development Co, Sapir, Israel tel: +972(8)-6592270 cell: +972(52)-3665918 From mellax at pm.ee Mon Jul 2 06:46:55 2007 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:46:55 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re:] K12LTSP 7.0 crash on install Message-ID: <46889F5F.1030505@pm.ee> this is totally different problem. You can try beta 5, but I guarantee same issue. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 2 07:17:27 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:17:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: <1183343446.3297.166.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com> <959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46884A66.6050706@cmosnetworks.com> <1183343446.3297.166.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4688A687.7080908@cmosnetworks.com> God, I wish I could work for an outfit like yours.... --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 20:44 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> When that write-up is done, please do share it! >> > > Here it is! > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com/tctools.html > > It seems my ability to edit the wikki is nonexistent at the moment. > > I have a README.txt file on the web and in the tarball. The tarball is > ~21MB. It contains a script that will do most of the > upgrade/installation process. There are also two other little scripts > that solved some issues for me. They are all documented in the README as > well the scripts themselves. > > Yes. I document my scripts now. :) One of my engineers on the APS > install threatened to do horrible things to my beer supply if I didn't > at least start at least leaving bread crumbs of what I was doing :) > >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> >> James P. Kinney III wrote: >> >>> I'm working on the writeup for what I did. It works _very_ well (which >>> is quite surprising!) >>> >>> Note: I did NOT install the essential_codec pack. The last time I tried >>> wmv playback was useless. >>> >>> Note 2: U.S.com also has Quicktime playback and it also plays very well. >>> >>> On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 15:06 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Be careful with United Streaming. We've got a subscription too, and >>>> it is, unfortunately, .WMV based. That means you'll probably have to >>>> get the MPlayer codec pack if you want it to work. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> _______________________________ >>>> Do you GNU!? >>>> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'd love it if you would. All the talk of v5.0EL has got me wondering if thats the way I should go instead of v7. I was planning on using Gnome anyways and it sounds like everything is working right away with it. We have a UnitedStreaming subscription too and if that worked in the lab I'd have one more thing to show off to my teachers and make them consider a wider use. Thanks Eric and everyone else for doing so much, I wish I knew more to be a better help. >>>>> >>>>> Levi Kemp >>>>> Technology Specialist >>>>> Bolivar R-1 Schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of James P. Kinney III >>>>> Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 7:12 AM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] release update... >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 13:19 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: >>>>> And to add to the glowing reports of fun with v. 5.0EL, I just did a >>>>> 64-bit install and I have working mplayerplug-in that I was able to use >>>>> very smoothly at UnitedStreaming. It's a _pile_ of updates and addons >>>>> but it all works. Even wmv files play nicely! >>>>> >>>>> I will post details in a bit. Up to late to read my notes. >>>>> >>>>> Hmm. I'll make a tarball of the updates available on my server so people >>>>> can just grab it and run. >>>>> >>>>> Nice work Eric! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are only 32bit ISOs at the > > moment, the 64bit ones are building right now and should be uploaded by > > tomorrow. > > > > These ISOs include a number of installer patches and it installs a newer > > kernel. If you had trouble installing the earlier builds, give this one > > a spin & let me know how it goes. > > Eric, > > I did an nfs install on a spare pc and it went without a hitch. The box is > an Athlon 3500+ with 4G ram (recognized 3.5G), onboard Marvell Yukon Gig > Nic, onboard nvida geforce 6100/nforce 405 video, and onboard nvidia mcp61 > sound - everything worked right away. Smooth! Looks great! Didn't time it > but it was fast - less than fifteen minutes to install everything but the > web developer packages. > > Installed the flash 9 upgrade and had sound on the server right away. Got > the Realplayer addon but had to install the compat-libstdc++-33 package to > get realplayer working. > > Unplugged my existing server from the network and my Jammin 150e booted > from new install right away. It's fast and looks great. Didn't have sound > and didn't have time to work on it - father cannot spend all the day playing > on Father's Day ;) > > Kudos and Thanks to Eric, Jim, and the rest of the developers! > > Jesse > > PS: Any problems in rerunning the post-installation configuration script > and where is it located? I couldn't send my hardware configuarion to the FC7 > folks first time around - eth0 didn't come up since the 0.254 IP address > was already in use by my existing server. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Edward, Thailand From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 10:32:21 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:32:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2DFB907B-7D96-48C8-A824-CF3D9F18F315@breun.nl> James P. Kinney III wrote: > An issue I have not figured out is the use of other yum repos. I have > the rpmforge repo activated but it is ignored unless I explicitly > --enablerepo=rpmforge. I do have the protect base files plugin > installed > but the rpmforge is marked protect=0 (the opposite of Centos-Base and > K12LTSP) and yet it is not updated or checked unless manually enabled. > This has worked before on Fedora and prior Centos. I'll need to dig > more > in RedHat docs and find out what changed. I noticed the same thing. 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The you can play with the files in the sub-directory and make your custom theme. Enjoy -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 12:32:14 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:32:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up passwordless ssh access In-Reply-To: <46888576.8020700@arava.co.il> References: <46888576.8020700@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <1183379534.3297.192.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 07:56 +0300, Micha Silver wrote: > I believe this is incorrect. You never need to create a key pair on a > server, only on the client computer that needs to connect to the server. Yes. The client has to have pub keys installed on the server. The only way for the pub key to get installed is to have some other form of server-trusted access that allows key insertion into the keyring. That makes up the bit that says the servers knows the key is OK. Since the client user has the decrypt key that matches the pub key, the server now knows the client is who they claim to be. If you have two machine that need to communicate over ssh with either side initiating the process then both machine need to have the others pub key as both will act as a client in the process. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The you can play with the files > in the sub-directory and make your custom theme. I was under the impression that the thin clients are served another GDM theme. When I hook up a monitor to the server I get the default CentOS 5 login theme (pretty nice actually), but on the thin clients we get a K12LTSP theme. Can we use that CentOS default theme on our clients somehow? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just change this to reflect same as local. You are on your way. Unfortunately I am not on my k12 server so you will have to find the exact menu. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From thewhitmers at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:02:31 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:02:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the client login screen In-Reply-To: References: <719D9E88-F5BC-4C12-BD79-AD3BFD70B312@breun.nl> <774593a20707020525s6758dcdpb67c901368a3f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/2/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > > > On 02/07/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I installed K12LTSP 5EL last weekend and I'm still in the process of > >> configuring everything to our tastes. One thing that has come up is > >> the thin client login screen. Are there other themes available? Can > >> we edit the themes? Where do I look to change this? > > > > Look under the directory /usr/share/gdm/themes/ > > I would suggest that you copy one of the themes directories into > > another directory under the same path. The you can play with the files > > in the sub-directory and make your custom theme. > > I was under the impression that the thin clients are served another > GDM theme. When I hook up a monitor to the server I get the default > CentOS 5 login theme (pretty nice actually), but on the thin clients > we get a K12LTSP theme. Can we use that CentOS default theme on our > clients somehow? > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > This is all from memory... I won't have access to a K12LTSP machine until this evening. Basically, you need to get into GNOME's Login Screen settings and change the Remote login settings to provide users with the same login theme as is used for Local logins. I think all you have to do is check a checkbox. Once done, remote logins, which is what the thin clients are doing, will then get the same GDM theme as you get when you're sitting at the K12LTSP server. I hope this helps! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 13:17:05 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:17:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the client login screen In-Reply-To: <774593a20707020559p47b79807gcbc44baa7ea6c557@mail.gmail.com> References: <719D9E88-F5BC-4C12-BD79-AD3BFD70B312@breun.nl> <774593a20707020525s6758dcdpb67c901368a3f398@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20707020559p47b79807gcbc44baa7ea6c557@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A6488FC-2A10-4986-AEC2-066818E99C6A@breun.nl> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 02/07/07, Nils Breunese wrote: >> I was under the impression that the thin clients are served another >> GDM theme. When I hook up a monitor to the server I get the default >> CentOS 5 login theme (pretty nice actually), but on the thin clients >> we get a K12LTSP theme. Can we use that CentOS default theme on our >> clients somehow? > > Yes. Use admin menu item that is used for setting up login screen. You > will find a tab there for remote log in. Here normally remote login > are set to plain. Just change this to reflect same as local. You are > on your way. Unfortunately I am not on my k12 server so you will have > to find the exact menu. Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Another problem is firefox just suddenly closes while visiting a page > or reading something. > > What could be the causes of this problem? > > Another question, is there any updated guide to authenticate LTSP with > Active Directory? And lastly, I haven't tried NFS, is it hard to configure? > > Regards, > > Edward, > Thailand > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 13:49:06 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:49:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox suddenly crashes In-Reply-To: <4688C8F6.1000000@cscoms.com> References: <20070701160018.E485773849@hormel.redhat.com> <4688C8F6.1000000@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <1183384146.3297.211.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 16:44 +0700, edwardson wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using K12LTSP 6 and I'm having problem with Firefox. There are two > problems: > > 1. When I do yum update, and firefox is updated. It always gives the > users message that firefox is already running. We have to start firefox > until the update box appears, then and only then will firefox come out. > Firefox profiles are a joy . If firefox was running when the firefox binaries were updated with yum, you have a problem. You can try and remove the lock file in every users ~/.mozilla/firefox// folder. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, check if the system generated a second (or more) profile. Remove all the other profiles and try again. > 2. Another problem is firefox just suddenly closes while visiting a page > or reading something. > > What could be the causes of this problem? buggy. I have just seen 32 bit firefox die instantly (and repeatably) when I right-click on a running flash section. This is an upstream support issue that centos->redhat->mozilla needs to handle. A debug line indicated an error with the gecko rendering engine. > > Another question, is there any updated guide to authenticate LTSP with > Active Directory? And lastly, I haven't tried NFS, is it hard to configure? If you are running K12LTSP with clients working, you are already running NFS :) For the most part NFS is pretty straight forward. Set up the share in /etc/exports by copying the config for another share. This is simple as long as you are using the easy NFS v3 or less. NFS v4 adds good security and is quite a bit more complicated to setup. K12LTSP uses v3 > > Regards, > > Edward, > Thailand > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 13:49:55 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:49:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox suddenly crashes In-Reply-To: <1183383675.4437.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20070701160018.E485773849@hormel.redhat.com> <4688C8F6.1000000@cscoms.com> <1183383675.4437.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1183384195.3297.213.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Robert, What is the full version number on that firefox, please? On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:41 -0400, Robert Finlon wrote: > I resolved the Firefox crash issue by downloading the latest > Firefox tarball from their website and installed it. No crashes > since then. > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 16:44 +0700, edwardson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm using K12LTSP 6 and I'm having problem with Firefox. There are two > > problems: > > > > 1. When I do yum update, and firefox is updated. It always gives the > > users message that firefox is already running. We have to start firefox > > until the update box appears, then and only then will firefox come out. > > > > 2. Another problem is firefox just suddenly closes while visiting a page > > or reading something. > > > > What could be the causes of this problem? > > > > Another question, is there any updated guide to authenticate LTSP with > > Active Directory? And lastly, I haven't tried NFS, is it hard to configure? > > > > Regards, > > > > Edward, > > Thailand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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I do have the protect base files plugin installed > but the rpmforge is marked protect=0 (the opposite of Centos-Base and > K12LTSP) and yet it is not updated or checked unless manually enabled. > This has worked before on Fedora and prior Centos. I'll need to dig more > in RedHat docs and find out what changed. From rowens at ptd.net Mon Jul 2 14:05:25 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:05:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the client login screen In-Reply-To: References: <719D9E88-F5BC-4C12-BD79-AD3BFD70B312@breun.nl> <774593a20707020525s6758dcdpb67c901368a3f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070702140525.GB13111@clubber.owens.net> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:02:31AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > On 7/2/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > >Sudev Barar wrote: > > > >> On 02/07/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I installed K12LTSP 5EL last weekend and I'm still in the process of > >>> configuring everything to our tastes. One thing that has come up is > >>> the thin client login screen. Are there other themes available? Can > >>> we edit the themes? Where do I look to change this? > >> > >> Look under the directory /usr/share/gdm/themes/ > >> I would suggest that you copy one of the themes directories into > >> another directory under the same path. The you can play with the files > >> in the sub-directory and make your custom theme. > > > >I was under the impression that the thin clients are served another > >GDM theme. When I hook up a monitor to the server I get the default > >CentOS 5 login theme (pretty nice actually), but on the thin clients > >we get a K12LTSP theme. Can we use that CentOS default theme on our > >clients somehow? > > > >Nils Breunese. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > This is all from memory... I won't have access to a K12LTSP machine > until this evening. > > Basically, you need to get into GNOME's Login Screen settings and > change the Remote login settings to provide users with the same login > theme as is used for Local logins. I think all you have to do is > check a checkbox. Once done, remote logins, which is what the thin > clients are doing, will then get the same GDM theme as you get when > you're sitting at the K12LTSP server. >From the command line, it's "gdmsetup" -Rob From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 14:24:42 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:24:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Rob Owens wrote: > Eric has the rpmforge repo disabled by default. You can edit > k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo to include "enabled=1" Ah, I see now. I'm probably just too used to installing the rpmforge- release package myself. After removing the rpmforge-release package and just enabling the repo in k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo I ran yum update, but this failed with: --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) for package: icewm --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) is needed by package icewm We don't use IceWM, but it came with the default install settings. Is this something to report to rpmforge? I know I can just exclude or remove the icewm package. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? Getting thin on top. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 15:10:32 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:10:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Heads up: wikki cleanup please? In-Reply-To: <1183324073.3297.158.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1183324073.3297.158.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707020810x520312c9wf660a98b8659802d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > I just went to the k12ltsp wikki and clicked on the Technical header. > The page that comes up is pure garbage and it all links to stuff I'm > sure would be embarrassing. > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical That's some of the wikispam I referenced in my reCAPTCHA message last week. Anybody who is logged in can hit the history link and roll back those sorts of changes. A broken MediaWiki extension prevented rollbacks. I just fixed that and rolled back that page. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 15:35:36 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:35:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, Jason Smith wrote: > Hi, I have installed K12LTSP 6. I would like some help performing the > following: > > 1) I would like to remove the session chooser on the terminals. In other > words, I want the users to be forced to go into Gnome and not have a choice > for any other display managers. Move files from /etc/X11/dm/Sessions (I think) for unwanted session types. Could also be in /usr/share/xsessions. For the love of Pete, could they stop moving those with every release? > 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only go to > our library catalog. This isn't totally straightforward, but playing with either the KDE kiosktool or GNOME's sabayon, pessulus, and gconf-editor may get you in the ballpark. > 3) I would like to disable the Alt-F1 function on all terminals (which > displays the main menu bar). Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and comment out "SCREEN_02 = shell". -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 15:36:31 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:36:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] release update... In-Reply-To: <1183343446.3297.166.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <46813601.80901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4684E986.70204@cmosnetworks.com> <959F955C-B485-4BB3-9DC6-D5A8C59B4DB2@breun.nl> <1183119176.3297.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4687FB44.9070902@cmosnetworks.com> <1183323405.3297.152.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46884A66.6050706@cmosnetworks.com> <1183343446.3297.166.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707020836n4d125092t8034618efe3198af@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > It seems my ability to edit the wikki is nonexistent at the moment. Bad MediaWiki extension. Should work now. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 15:45:51 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:45:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing the client login screen In-Reply-To: References: <719D9E88-F5BC-4C12-BD79-AD3BFD70B312@breun.nl> <774593a20707020525s6758dcdpb67c901368a3f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707020845g7ae31a74if125c42cc2939116@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > I was under the impression that the thin clients are served another > GDM theme. When I hook up a monitor to the server I get the default > CentOS 5 login theme (pretty nice actually), but on the thin clients > we get a K12LTSP theme. Can we use that CentOS default theme on our > clients somehow? XDMCP logins get the RemoteGreeter (less graphically intense; check out /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf) instead of the Greeter. If you want them to use the same Fedora stock GDM theme, just edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and set RemoteGreeter=/usr/libexec/gdmgreeter (same as Greeter). -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 15:56:06 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:56:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 6 packages in K12LTSP 5EL? Message-ID: <49D854A9-09C2-4EF5-A578-28556064D197@breun.nl> Hello, I installed K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit last weekend and I just noticed I have 123 packages on my system with the fc6 (Fedora Core 6) tag in their name. Is this normal? Why do I have a .fc6 package of sed for instance, instead of an .el5 package? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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F7 has packages with the FC6 tag also. It's normal and expected. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 16:10:28 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:10:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <1183392628.3297.215.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 10:03 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > Eric has the rpmforge repo disabled by default. You can edit > k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo to include "enabled=1" That explains that! So the rpmforge is my setup is now installed twice. OK. More mods... > > -Rob > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:43:22PM -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > An issue I have not figured out is the use of other yum repos. I have > > the rpmforge repo activated but it is ignored unless I explicitly > > --enablerepo=rpmforge. I do have the protect base files plugin installed > > but the rpmforge is marked protect=0 (the opposite of Centos-Base and > > K12LTSP) and yet it is not updated or checked unless manually enabled. > > This has worked before on Fedora and prior Centos. I'll need to dig more > > in RedHat docs and find out what changed. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There were many packages that > did not get rebuilt by Red Hat for EL5 when it branched from pre-FC6 > development builds, hence the tag wasn't updated. > > F7 has packages with the FC6 tag also. It's normal and expected. Ok, I did not know this. Thanks for the explanation. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 16:19:27 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:19:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Heads up: wikki cleanup please? In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707020810x520312c9wf660a98b8659802d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1183324073.3297.158.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <994441ae0707020810x520312c9wf660a98b8659802d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8684981D-2796-428B-86E7-FA3C6794808B@breun.nl> Dan Young wrote: > On 7/1/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> I just went to the k12ltsp wikki and clicked on the Technical header. >> The page that comes up is pure garbage and it all links to stuff I'm >> sure would be embarrassing. >> >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical > > That's some of the wikispam I referenced in my reCAPTCHA message > last week. > > Anybody who is logged in can hit the history link and roll back those > sorts of changes. A broken MediaWiki extension prevented rollbacks. I > just fixed that and rolled back that page. Will the wiki replace the website some day? A lot of the info on the k12ltsp.org website is referencing really old versions, etc. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd welcome any help on polishing it up. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 16:50:34 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:50:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs In-Reply-To: <4688C4E9020000780000259F@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4688C4E9020000780000259F@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1183395034.3297.222.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Doug, Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash card with an IDE adapter.) Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have the BIOS capability. By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hey guys! > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and several computers. > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". Some of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is generations newer than the newest stuff I have. > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > Getting thin on top. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jul 2 17:13:44 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Journal Message-ID: The August issue of Linux Journal magazine has an article on our school's transition to thin clients. It's in the "Up Front" section, and I'm terribly excited to have my article published. :) (I also wrote the article highlighted on the cover, and the cover photo is mine -- but they're not LTSP related, so I won't mention them...) http://www.linuxjournal.com/issue/160 -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools 231-238-6868 x9174 School Site: www.inlandlakes.org Personal Site: www.brainofshawn.com From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:25:48 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:25:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down Message-ID: On Friday, our school took a series of power hits, and our main server went down hard. At present, it will not boot because it cannot find the VolGroup01. The logical volume for the OS is present (VolGroup00), and linux rescue lets me see everything on it. However, during the boot process, when the OS (Fedora Core 4, lvm1) goes to find the other volume group it is missing, and the boot process halts. I don't care about what is on that volume group (I can recover it later if it can be done, or recreate it), but ... is there a way to tell the system to not try and locate that logical volume? As a side note, I was running Matt's ldap scripts, so I have the slave ldap currently handling logins. But no one can log onto the windows systems at this point. I changed smb.conf so that it should be the PDC now, but that didn't fix it. I get the system account not found error which normally means if I remove/rejoin everything is ok, but can't rejoin. So, now I am just trying to get something back. I have all the user data, and can get all the conf files from the auth server if needed. Any ideas? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:27 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs > > > Hey guys! > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > several computers. > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old > hardware". Some of the stuff they talk about on there as being > "old hardware" is generations newer than the newest stuff I have. > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer > stuff, should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work > great as terminal clients, but if they will no longer work, there > goes the ability to use "old hardware" which really puts poor > people like me at a disadvantage. > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old > hardware" working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working > (usually). > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than > 2.6.x? Will 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > Getting thin on top. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 17:34:52 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:34:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > On Friday, our school took a series of power hits, and our main server went > down hard. At present, it will not boot because it cannot find the > VolGroup01. The logical volume for the OS is present (VolGroup00), and > linux rescue lets me see everything on it. However, during the boot > process, when the OS (Fedora Core 4, lvm1) goes to find the other volume > group it is missing, and the boot process halts. I don't care about what is > on that volume group (I can recover it later if it can be done, or recreate > it), but ... is there a way to tell the system to not try and locate that > logical volume? Caveat emptor. Sounds like you're in a pinch so I'm just throwing this out there. >From the rescue mode, can you "vgreduce --removemissing VolGroup01"? The vgremove man page says that should make the LVM consistent, even in the absence of a disk. Note that it probably will eat the volume group. http://www.stress-free.co.nz/adventures_in_lvm -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:41:30 2007 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:41:30 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs In-Reply-To: <4688C4E9020000780000259F@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4688C4E9020000780000259F@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <12b235150707021041k63fe1984g4afc825a9a8e61ac@mail.gmail.com> 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > Hey guys! > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and several > computers. > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". Some > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is generations > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, should > be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal clients, > but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. Install, > and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" working. A > few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > Getting thin on top. . . Hi! We are developing for x486 booting with k12 any version (we are run to fedora k12 6 with 100% success!) This item: boot 486 and run it all is our job all days! Sorry for my bad english I try that you undersand. You can see the project in www.proyectoedulin.com.ar For now we can boot 10 clients 486 with 8MB ram via VNC in a server k12 with any version up to 6. If any is interest in this, can talk with me about it! Geetings from ARGENTINA. Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:43:02 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:43:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm ... seems oriented to LVM2, and this system apparently is using LVM1. And, all my commands pvscan or whatnot get a "cannot execute binary file" error because of library issues most likely? system is 64 bit, amd opteron. It is like I need one magic edit or command and I can get the system up and then go from there. On 7/2/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > On Friday, our school took a series of power hits, and our main server > went > > down hard. At present, it will not boot because it cannot find the > > VolGroup01. The logical volume for the OS is present > (VolGroup00), and > > linux rescue lets me see everything on it. However, during the boot > > process, when the OS (Fedora Core 4, lvm1) goes to find the other volume > > group it is missing, and the boot process halts. I don't care about what > is > > on that volume group (I can recover it later if it can be done, or > recreate > > it), but ... is there a way to tell the system to not try and locate > that > > logical volume? > > Caveat emptor. Sounds like you're in a pinch so I'm just throwing this > out there. > > >From the rescue mode, can you "vgreduce --removemissing VolGroup01"? > The vgremove man page says that should make the LVM consistent, even > in the absence of a disk. Note that it probably will eat the volume > group. > > http://www.stress-free.co.nz/adventures_in_lvm > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 2 17:43:11 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:43:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs Message-ID: <4688F2DF02000078000025AE@leopards.k12.ar.us> I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get from Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at all in 6.0.0. One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, (normal) gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then fails with the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to configure for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in there and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries in the /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for each but to no avail. It says: ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc Usually specified in option-129, in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! I have the option-129 line set correctly. I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the lts.conf for this particular workstation. All to no avail. Thanks for the reply. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 11:50 AM >>> Doug, Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash card with an IDE adapter.) Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have the BIOS capability. By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hey guys! > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and several computers. > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". Some of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is generations newer than the newest stuff I have. > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > Getting thin on top. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 17:50:58 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:50:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: References: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707021050i2f69890aw39912da7f46dab1c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > Hmmm ... seems oriented to LVM2, and this system apparently is using LVM1. > And, all my commands pvscan or whatnot get a "cannot execute binary file" > error because of library issues most likely? system is 64 bit, amd opteron. > It is like I need one magic edit or command and I can get the system up and > then go from there. Does a "vgck" say anything interesting? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 2 17:51:11 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:51:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs Message-ID: <4688F4C002000078000025B2@leopards.k12.ar.us> I have to use what I have. . . there are no "extras" with enough horsepower to do much. . . hence my reasons for trying to use the old hardware with the newest server available. . . I have one old server (amd athlon 1.6G, 512MBRAM) that I use as a server. That is the very best computer I have at home. I want to be able to get the kids online with their 486's they have in their rooms and give them reasonable speed. I am running K12LTSP 3.x.x at home with them and they just work. I do know how to do the configs for this old hardware. Worked great in 3.x.x, won't work with 6.0.0. Same hardware, and same entries in config files. . . Thanks for the reply. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Steven Santos" 07/02/07 12:33 PM >>> Doug, If you have a spare computer, load an older version of K12LTSP on that to boot the old clients. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:27 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs > > > Hey guys! > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > several computers. > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old > hardware". Some of the stuff they talk about on there as being > "old hardware" is generations newer than the newest stuff I have. > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer > stuff, should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work > great as terminal clients, but if they will no longer work, there > goes the ability to use "old hardware" which really puts poor > people like me at a disadvantage. > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old > hardware" working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working > (usually). > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than > 2.6.x? Will 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > Getting thin on top. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:54:10 2007 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:54:10 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs In-Reply-To: <4688F2DF02000078000025AE@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4688F2DF02000078000025AE@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <12b235150707021054p3046f1c7l86f3f78615d476b5@mail.gmail.com> 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get from > Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at all in > 6.0.0. > > One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, (normal) > gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then fails with > the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to configure > for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in there > and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries in the > /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't > work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for each > but to no avail. Hi! Remember that in 6.0 k12 refers their dhcpd.conf that dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something that . It says: > > ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 > PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc > Usually specified in option-129, in the > /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! Just see in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.... Other thing: with boot it etherboot, in the first lines, before de dots, see the correct address like: 0x300 or other particular address that offer your ether-nic and copy to the dhcp conf file. I have the option-129 line set correctly. see in dhcp-k12ltsp.conf..... I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the lts.conffor this particular workstation. > > All to no avail. > > Thanks for the reply. . . > > Doug > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 11:50 > AM >>> > Doug, > > Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and > etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them > to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some > other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash > card with an IDE adapter.) > > Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network > card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would > need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have > the BIOS capability. > > By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are > halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. > The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of > years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Hey guys! > > > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > several computers. > > > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". Some > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is generations > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, > should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal > clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" > working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > > > Getting thin on top. . . > > > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 2 17:58:59 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:58:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs Message-ID: <4688F69302000078000025B6@leopards.k12.ar.us> Read inline. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 12:54 PM >>> 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get from > Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at all in > 6.0.0. > > One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, (normal) > gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then fails with > the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to configure > for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in there > and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries in the > /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't > work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for each > but to no avail. Hi! Remember that in 6.0 k12 refers their dhcpd.conf that dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something that . Got it, but here at work, where I am testing 6.0.0 before trying it ah home. . . DHCP is actually running from another server (this has also worked fine with older versions of K12LTSP, so I know it is configured correctly). It says: > > ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 > PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc > Usually specified in option-129, in the > /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! Just see in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.... Other thing: with boot it etherboot, in the first lines, before de dots, see the correct address like: 0x300 or other particular address that offer your ether-nic and copy to the dhcp conf file. Port is set (0x300) and I also tried adding the irq settings for the various irq possibilities, to no avail. I have the option-129 line set correctly. see in dhcp-k12ltsp.conf..... I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the lts.conf for this particular workstation. Will check again, but I am sure these are correct. . . > > All to no avail. > > Thanks for the reply. . . > > Doug > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 11:50 > AM >>> > Doug, > > Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and > etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them > to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some > other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash > card with an IDE adapter.) > > Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network > card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would > need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have > the BIOS capability. > > By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are > halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. > The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of > years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Hey guys! > > > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > several computers. > > > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". Some > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is generations > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, > should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal > clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use "old > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" > working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than 2.6.x? Will > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > > > Getting thin on top. . . > > > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:14:38 2007 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:14:38 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs In-Reply-To: <4688F69302000078000025B6@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4688F69302000078000025B6@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <12b235150707021114x50b70b03x8e129e34e1bf77@mail.gmail.com> Man I suppose that you have 2 dhcp servers running.... maybe thats is the problem... Your client target to other dhcp server that no have the option to handle old isa netcards... I have long time ago this ttrouble.... A router has a dhcp server too... and when ltsp boot ask for second time dhcp appear this error: no nic... kernel panic... etc etc... The presence of other dhcp server running is the problem... I try to help with my little acknoweldge... Greetings. 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > Read inline. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 12:54 PM >>> > 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > > > I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get from > > Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at all > in > > 6.0.0. > > > > One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, (normal) > > gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then fails > with > > the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to > configure > > for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in > there > > and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries in > the > > /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't > > work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for > each > > but to no avail. > > > Hi! > Remember that in 6.0 k12 refers their dhcpd.conf that dhcpd-k12ltsp.confor > something that . > > Got it, but here at work, where I am testing 6.0.0 before trying it ah > home. . . DHCP is actually running from another server (this has also worked > fine with older versions of K12LTSP, so I know it is configured correctly). > > It says: > > > > ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > > input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 > > PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc > > Usually specified in option-129, in the > > /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . > > > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! > > > Just see in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.... > Other thing: with boot it etherboot, in the first lines, before de dots, > see > the correct address like: 0x300 or other particular address that offer > your > ether-nic and copy to the dhcp conf file. > > Port is set (0x300) and I also tried adding the irq settings for the > various irq possibilities, to no avail. > I have the option-129 line set correctly. > > > see in dhcp-k12ltsp.conf..... > > I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the > lts.conf for this particular workstation. > > Will check again, but I am sure these are correct. . . > > > > All to no avail. > > > > Thanks for the reply. . . > > > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 11:50 > > AM >>> > > Doug, > > > > Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and > > etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them > > to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some > > other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash > > card with an IDE adapter.) > > > > Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network > > card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would > > need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have > > the BIOS capability. > > > > By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are > > halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. > > The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of > > years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Hey guys! > > > > > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > > > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > > several computers. > > > > > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". > Some > > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is > generations > > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > > > > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, > > should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal > > clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use > "old > > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > > > > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" > > working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > > > > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > > > > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than > 2.6.x? Will > > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > > > > > Getting thin on top. . . > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > De Queen Public Schools > > > De Queen, AR > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > 770-493-8244 > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Now, the ldap database seems to be corrupted, so ran an interactive boot, bypassing the ldap-related stuff, ran a slapd_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap and then rebooting to see if that corrects the login issues On 7/2/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > Hmmm ... seems oriented to LVM2, and this system apparently is using > LVM1. > > And, all my commands pvscan or whatnot get a "cannot execute binary > file" > > error because of library issues most likely? system is 64 bit, amd > opteron. > > It is like I need one magic edit or command and I can get the system up > and > > then go from there. > > Does a "vgck" say anything interesting? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 2 18:38:56 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:38:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs Message-ID: <4688FFF002000078000025BA@leopards.k12.ar.us> I killed the other DHCP server. There is only one running at a time. Thanks for the input. . . P.S. I did finally get it to take the boot as far as the NIC is concerned, but now am trying to get X to load. . . Progress. . . Thanks again! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 1:14 PM >>> Man I suppose that you have 2 dhcp servers running.... maybe thats is the problem... Your client target to other dhcp server that no have the option to handle old isa netcards... I have long time ago this ttrouble.... A router has a dhcp server too... and when ltsp boot ask for second time dhcp appear this error: no nic... kernel panic... etc etc... The presence of other dhcp server running is the problem... I try to help with my little acknoweldge... Greetings. 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > Read inline. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 12:54 PM >>> > 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > > > I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get from > > Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at all > in > > 6.0.0. > > > > One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, (normal) > > gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then fails > with > > the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to > configure > > for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in > there > > and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries in > the > > /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't > > work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for > each > > but to no avail. > > > Hi! > Remember that in 6.0 k12 refers their dhcpd.conf that dhcpd-k12ltsp.confor > something that . > > Got it, but here at work, where I am testing 6.0.0 before trying it ah > home. . . DHCP is actually running from another server (this has also worked > fine with older versions of K12LTSP, so I know it is configured correctly). > > It says: > > > > ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > > input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 > > PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc > > Usually specified in option-129, in the > > /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . > > > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! > > > Just see in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.... > Other thing: with boot it etherboot, in the first lines, before de dots, > see > the correct address like: 0x300 or other particular address that offer > your > ether-nic and copy to the dhcp conf file. > > Port is set (0x300) and I also tried adding the irq settings for the > various irq possibilities, to no avail. > I have the option-129 line set correctly. > > > see in dhcp-k12ltsp.conf..... > > I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the > lts.conf for this particular workstation. > > Will check again, but I am sure these are correct. . . > > > > All to no avail. > > > > Thanks for the reply. . . > > > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 11:50 > > AM >>> > > Doug, > > > > Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and > > etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them > > to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some > > other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash > > card with an IDE adapter.) > > > > Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network > > card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You would > > need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not have > > the BIOS capability. > > > > By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are > > halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. > > The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple of > > years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Hey guys! > > > > > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from K12LTSP? > > > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > > several computers. > > > > > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". > Some > > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is > generations > > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > > > > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, > > should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as terminal > > clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to use > "old > > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > > > > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old hardware" > > working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > > > > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > > > > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than > 2.6.x? Will > > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > > > > > Getting thin on top. . . > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > De Queen Public Schools > > > De Queen, AR > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > 770-493-8244 > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 18:42:25 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:42:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: References: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707021050i2f69890aw39912da7f46dab1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070702184050.M94192@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:28:37 -0400, David Hopkins wrote > Actually, after sitting for 24+ hours, the system has decided to reboot > (??!!!!!) > > Now, the ldap database seems to be corrupted, so ran an interactive boot, > bypassing the ldap-related stuff, ran a slapd_db_recover -v -h > /var/lib/ldap and then rebooting to see if that corrects the login issues I love when they fix themselves :-) Couldn't you have bypassed loading the LVM by simply commenting out the line in /etc/fstab when booted in rescue mode? Sounds too simple to work :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:44:10 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:44:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: References: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707021050i2f69890aw39912da7f46dab1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and ... finally have the server back after resetting ownership of /var/lib/ldap/__db* files to ldap:ldap. Now, just have to see if there is a way to recover VolGroup01. If not, it was always "temp" storage anyway. All the home directories, and stuff are safe at any rate. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > Actually, after sitting for 24+ hours, the system has decided to reboot > (??!!!!!) > > Now, the ldap database seems to be corrupted, so ran an interactive boot, > bypassing the ldap-related stuff, ran a slapd_db_recover -v -h > /var/lib/ldap and then rebooting to see if that corrects the login issues > > > On 7/2/07, Dan Young wrote: > > > > On 7/2/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > > Hmmm ... seems oriented to LVM2, and this system apparently is using > > LVM1. > > > And, all my commands pvscan or whatnot get a "cannot execute binary > > file" > > > error because of library issues most likely? system is 64 bit, amd > > opteron. > > > It is like I need one magic edit or command and I can get the system > > up and > > > then go from there. > > > > Does a "vgck" say anything interesting? > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:47:48 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:47:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Main authentication server down In-Reply-To: <20070702184050.M94192@winonacotter.org> References: <994441ae0707021034h3706b469s8db214c8ffb26c88@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707021050i2f69890aw39912da7f46dab1c@mail.gmail.com> <20070702184050.M94192@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I had done that, but each time, it still tried to access the drive for some reason or the other. But ... I walked away on saturday night after knowing I had recovered all the data and databases. Problem then was samba and Windows machine accounts weren't letting people log on. Came back today, and on a reboot it 'stopped looking' for VolGoup01. So, I don't know ... it just works now, so perhaps it was rebuilding a failed drive (it was) and that just took forever? On 7/2/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:28:37 -0400, David Hopkins wrote > > Actually, after sitting for 24+ hours, the system has decided to reboot > > (??!!!!!) > > > > Now, the ldap database seems to be corrupted, so ran an interactive > boot, > > bypassing the ldap-related stuff, ran a slapd_db_recover -v -h > > /var/lib/ldap and then rebooting to see if that corrects the login > issues > > I love when they fix themselves :-) > > Couldn't you have bypassed loading the LVM by simply commenting out the > line in > /etc/fstab when booted in rescue mode? Sounds too simple to work :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From centerplacedude at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 19:03:38 2007 From: centerplacedude at gmail.com (Jason Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:03:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c656a950707021203t1bd86323g2c97e9a7b9422420@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Dan! I figured out #1 and #3 after I sent the email. #2 is the real pain, but I'm working on it. Thanks again for your help. Jason On 7/2/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/1/07, Jason Smith wrote: > > Hi, I have installed K12LTSP 6. I would like some help performing the > > following: > > > > 1) I would like to remove the session chooser on the terminals. In > other > > words, I want the users to be forced to go into Gnome and not have a > choice > > for any other display managers. > > Move files from /etc/X11/dm/Sessions (I think) for unwanted session > types. Could also be in /usr/share/xsessions. > > For the love of Pete, could they stop moving those with every release? > > > 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only go > to > > our library catalog. > > This isn't totally straightforward, but playing with either the KDE > kiosktool or GNOME's sabayon, pessulus, and gconf-editor may get you > in the ballpark. > > > 3) I would like to disable the Alt-F1 function on all terminals (which > > displays the main menu bar). > > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and comment out "SCREEN_02 = shell". > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 19:21:36 2007 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:21:36 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for Etherboot on 486's with ISA NICs In-Reply-To: <4688FFF002000078000025BA@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4688FFF002000078000025BA@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <12b235150707021221y2eade418g1fc9cb81e3ccdbfc@mail.gmail.com> 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > I killed the other DHCP server. There is only one running at a time. > > Thanks for the input. . . > > P.S. I did finally get it to take the boot as far as the NIC is concerned, > but now am trying to get X to load. Set up the xdmcp to remote in system > log screen input (grafic mode) Reboot gdm or the server . . > > Progress. . . > > Thanks again! > > Doug > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 1:14 PM >>> > Man I suppose that you have 2 dhcp servers running.... > maybe thats is the problem... > Your client target to other dhcp server that no have the option to handle > old isa netcards... > I have long time ago this ttrouble.... A router has a dhcp server too... > and > when ltsp boot ask for second time dhcp appear this error: no nic... > kernel > panic... etc etc... > The presence of other dhcp server running is the problem... > I try to help with my little acknoweldge... > Greetings. > > 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > > > Read inline. . . > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> "Alberto Castillo" 07/02/07 12:54 PM >>> > > 2007/7/2, Doug Simpson : > > > > > > I was referring to booting with Etherboot floppies like you can get > from > > > Rom-O-Matic. These have always worked for me in the past, but not at > all > > in > > > 6.0.0. > > > > > > One one particular one, for example, it boots from the floppy, > (normal) > > > gets an IP via DHCP, (normal) loads the kernel, (normal) and then > fails > > with > > > the "kernel panic" because it can't load the NIC. I know how to > > configure > > > for that and it is done, but it doesn't work. There is a 3com card in > > there > > > and the option lines are configured, and the workstation has entries > in > > the > > > /etc/lts.conf to load the 3com card. like"NIC=3c509". And it doesn't > > > work. I have tried several different cards, adjusting the configs for > > each > > > but to no avail. > > > > > > Hi! > > Remember that in 6.0 k12 refers their dhcpd.conf that > dhcpd-k12ltsp.confor > > something that . > > > > Got it, but here at work, where I am testing 6.0.0 before trying it ah > > home. . . DHCP is actually running from another server (this has also > worked > > fine with older versions of K12LTSP, so I know it is configured > correctly). > > > > It says: > > > > > > ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card. > > > input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1 > > > PCI cards. . .etc.etc.etc > > > Usually specified in option-129, in the > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See . . . docs for info. . . > > > > > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init! > > > > > > Just see in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.... > > Other thing: with boot it etherboot, in the first lines, before de dots, > > see > > the correct address like: 0x300 or other particular address that offer > > your > > ether-nic and copy to the dhcp conf file. > > > > Port is set (0x300) and I also tried adding the irq settings for the > > various irq possibilities, to no avail. > > I have the option-129 line set correctly. > > > > > > see in dhcp-k12ltsp.conf..... > > > > I have the right computer name set in dhcpd.conf and also in the > > lts.conf for this particular workstation. > > > > Will check again, but I am sure these are correct. . . > > > > > > All to no avail. > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. . . > > > > > > Doug > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > De Queen Public Schools > > > De Queen, AR > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > >>> "James P. Kinney III" 07/02/07 > 11:50 > > > AM >>> > > > Doug, > > > > > > Once you get into antique hardware :) the rules change. PXE and > > > etherboot were not around at that time (I don't think) so getting them > > > to work is a serious challenge. The most used process is to have some > > > other method of booting available (floppy or CD or even a hidden flash > > > card with an IDE adapter.) > > > > > > Some really old stuff _may_ be able to netboot _if_ the add-on network > > > card has a boot rom AND the mainboard is able to handle that. You > would > > > need to have the "corporate" pc's as the home user style would not > have > > > the BIOS capability. > > > > > > By the time you get to an ide-flash adapter plus flash card you are > > > halfway to a new, tiny thin client that is very low power and fanless. > > > The power savings alone would cover the additional cost over a couple > of > > > years. Plus desktop real estate is at a premium as well. > > > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:27 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > Hey guys! > > > > > > > > Has support for 486 computers and ISA NICs been dropped from > K12LTSP? > > > > I have been unable to get it to work with many different NICs and > > > several computers. > > > > > > > > When you say use "old hardware" I take that to mean "old hardware". > > Some > > > of the stuff they talk about on there as being "old hardware" is > > generations > > > newer than the newest stuff I have. > > > > > > > > Being able to "just upgrade the server" when you need newer stuff, > > > should be just that. There are a lot of 486s that work great as > terminal > > > clients, but if they will no longer work, there goes the ability to > use > > "old > > > hardware" which really puts poor people like me at a disadvantage. > > > > > > > > I have ran versions from 3.x and up and have been very satisfied. > > > Install, and within a few minutes, I can usually get the "old > hardware" > > > working. A few more minutes and I can get sound working (usually). > > > > > > > > Hasn't happened yet with version 6.0.0. > > > > > > > > Could it be simple as making it boot a slightly older kernel than > > 2.6.x? Will > > > 2.4.x work on a 486 where 2.6.x won't? > > > > > > > > Getting thin on top. . . > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > > Technology Specialist > > > > De Queen Public Schools > > > > De Queen, AR > > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > > > James P. Kinney III > > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > > 770-493-8244 > > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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I will tell a few steps to follow: 1) Install Thigth Vnc Server, that moves his in function of the traffic of the net 2) set up inetd and services: modify /etc/services and at the bottom of file add this: # Local services #VNC On-Demand vnc-800x600x16 5901/tcp (here you have a log screen of 800*600 px and 16bits of colors via port 5901) Modify /etc/inetd.conf and at the bottom of file add this: # VNC On-Demand vnc-800x600x16 stream tcp nowait nobody.tty /usr/bin/Xvnc Xvnc -inetd -query localhost -once -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 (copy and paste) Now: 3) restart inetd daemon: /etc/init.d/inetd restart 4) in the client: Use any vnc client (I use Svnc Viewer) like: vncviewer [host]:1 If your server have the IP 192.168.0.254: vncviewer 192.168.0.254:1 Greetings Alberto Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 19:36:07 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:36:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <5c656a950707021203t1bd86323g2c97e9a7b9422420@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> <5c656a950707021203t1bd86323g2c97e9a7b9422420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070702192507.M89239@winonacotter.org> > > 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only go > > to > > > our library catalog. > > > > This isn't totally straightforward, but playing with either the KDE > > kiosktool or GNOME's sabayon, pessulus, and gconf-editor may get you > > in the ballpark. I haven't done this but I would think you would start by building a different /opt/ltsp tree such as /opt/ltsp/kiosk and run it along side of your /opt/ltsp/i386. Then maybe you could set up in your dhcpd.conf a different range of addresses to have option root-path "/opt/ltsp/kiosk" and then assign ip ranges based off of mac addresses (you could have a default root-path and specifically assign whichever you have the least of, if kiosks are only a small portion of all your ltsp clients then specify those). Hope that helps get you on the right path. If anyone has specific directions to do this please post, or if anyone thinks this wouldn't work please post as well :-) I will probably be doing something similar in the near future. Since I am using ubuntu and ltsp5 it should be a little simpler. They have a tool called ltsp-build-client for building the /opt/ltsp tree. You can pass options such as --arch=i386 or --arch=amd64 to it. Another option is --kiosk which will build a kiosk environment automatically. So I built an /opt/ltsp/i386, /opt/ltsp/amd64 and /opt/ltsp/kiosk. Right now I can boot any of the three by changing the option-root path in the dhcpd.conf, so in the future I plan on adding the exceptions that will not boot /opt/ltsp/i386 to boot one of the other two trees by mac address. We'll see if that works. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 19:52:38 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:52:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto Setup VNC with LTSP 5 (Edubuntu) In-Reply-To: <12b235150707021233o74853bbja6ff40a4ca846752@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070702182409.M57629@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021233o74853bbja6ff40a4ca846752@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070702195115.M63779@winonacotter.org> Thanks. This worked. I was doing basically the same thing but via xinetd. I removed xinetd and set up as you suggested. Now I can just tweak some settings. thanks again Jim > Hi! > Via the daemon inetd > In k12 xinetd is the responsible > In Debian is inetd. > I will tell a few steps to follow: > 1) Install Thigth Vnc Server, that moves his in function of the traffic of > the net > 2) set up inetd and services: > > modify /etc/services and at the bottom of file add this: > > # Local services > #VNC On-Demand > vnc-800x600x16 5901/tcp > > (here you have a log screen of 800*600 px and 16bits of colors via port > 5901) > > Modify /etc/inetd.conf and at the bottom of file add this: > > # VNC On-Demand > vnc-800x600x16 stream tcp nowait nobody.tty /usr/bin/Xvnc Xvnc > -inetd -query localhost > -once -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 > > (copy and paste) > > Now: > > 3) restart inetd daemon: > > /etc/init.d/inetd restart > > 4) in the client: > Use any vnc client (I use Svnc Viewer) > like: > vncviewer [host]:1 > > If your server have the IP 192.168.0.254: > > vncviewer 192.168.0.254:1 > > Greetings > Alberto > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 453-5188 > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 20:03:19 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:03:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto Setup VNC with LTSP 5 (Edubuntu) (strange keymap) In-Reply-To: <20070702195115.M63779@winonacotter.org> References: <20070702182409.M57629@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021233o74853bbja6ff40a4ca846752@mail.gmail.com> <20070702195115.M63779@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070702195836.M43855@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:52:38 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > Thanks. This worked. I was doing basically the same thing but via xinetd. I > removed xinetd and set up as you suggested. Now I can just tweak some settings. > > thanks again > Jim Funny, all seemed to be okay, except now that I try and type my keyboard layout seems messed up. I can type fine at the login screen, but once logged everything is messed up. Here is the characters type when I type "testing" in openoffice "ngbnl?j". Any suggestions would be great. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 2 20:07:01 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:07:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183406821.3297.240.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 22:00 -0500, Jason Smith wrote: > Hi, I have installed K12LTSP 6. I would like some help performing the > following: > > 1) I would like to remove the session chooser on the terminals. In > other words, I want the users to be forced to go into Gnome and not > have a choice for any other display managers. > > 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only > go to our library catalog. You need a few tools on to do this. Main one is squidguard (I am assuming the library catalog is web based). Build an autologon setup that autostarts the browser with the homepage locked to the catalog. There are some kiosk extension for firefox (I have not tested these so keep us all posted :). Have the autostart be a script tat loads firefox in kisok mode and after firefox closes it automatically logs out and starts again. For this user(s) select twm as the window manager so the get no other tools available. Yes that is all miserably general. The last kiosk I did was 1998... > > 3) I would like to disable the Alt-F1 function on all terminals (which > displays the main menu bar). Somewhere buried is the keymap stuff (gconf-editor time). That's what responds and pops up the main menu bar. > > I got volunteered to get an LTSP system set up for my local library > and I have been beating my head against the wall on these security > issues. Any help would be so greatly appreciated. Dig on google (and slshdot.org). I recall a public library that replaced all their systems with Linux (not ltsp) and they solved a lot of these UI issues. Their config should be usable in the LTSP setup for the kiosk mode. > > Jason R. Smith, Volunteer > Duncan Public Library > Duncan, OK > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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I > > removed xinetd and set up as you suggested. Now I can just tweak some > settings. > > > > thanks again > > Jim > > Funny, all seemed to be okay, except now that I try and type my keyboard > layout seems > messed up. I can type fine at the login screen, but once logged > everything is messed > up. Here is the characters type when I type "testing" in openoffice > "ngbnl?j". Any > suggestions would be great. A suggestion: See documentation about VNC viewer and server. Maybe you have to modify some of config file of vnc. In /etc you have a vnc.conf (maybe) see about keyboard here. Maybe this are the solution -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 20:16:15 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:16:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto Setup VNC with LTSP 5 (Edubuntu) (strange keymap) In-Reply-To: <12b235150707021311v6b2479b6u5f81cf0981369a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070702182409.M57629@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021233o74853bbja6ff40a4ca846752@mail.gmail.com> <20070702195115.M63779@winonacotter.org> <20070702195836.M43855@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021311v6b2479b6u5f81cf0981369a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070702201529.M92950@winonacotter.org> > > Funny, all seemed to be okay, except now that I try and type my keyboard > > layout seems > > messed up. I can type fine at the login screen, but once logged > > everything is messed > > up. Here is the characters type when I type "testing" in openoffice > > "ngbnl?j". Any > > suggestions would be great. > > A suggestion: > See documentation about VNC viewer and server. > Maybe you have to modify some of config file of vnc. > In /etc you have a vnc.conf (maybe) see about keyboard here. > Maybe this are the solution Apparently this is a bug in Feisty with vnc and gnome. https://bugs.launchpad.net/control-center/+bug/108928 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 2 20:34:04 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:34:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707021334p51efa8ci77ab529273d34af7@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Dan Young wrote: > On 7/1/07, Jason Smith wrote: > > 3) I would like to disable the Alt-F1 function on all terminals (which > > displays the main menu bar). > > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and comment out "SCREEN_02 = shell". Obviously I read this as Ctrl-Alt-F1. Doh! Looks like you're looking for the Gconf key: /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_main_menu -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 2 21:00:32 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:00:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto Setup VNC with LTSP 5 (Edubuntu) (strange keymap) In-Reply-To: <20070702201529.M92950@winonacotter.org> References: <20070702182409.M57629@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021233o74853bbja6ff40a4ca846752@mail.gmail.com> <20070702195115.M63779@winonacotter.org> <20070702195836.M43855@winonacotter.org> <12b235150707021311v6b2479b6u5f81cf0981369a7@mail.gmail.com> <20070702201529.M92950@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070702205814.M30354@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:16:15 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > > Funny, all seemed to be okay, except now that I try and type my keyboard > > > layout seems > > > messed up. I can type fine at the login screen, but once logged > > > everything is messed > > > up. Here is the characters type when I type "testing" in openoffice > > > "ngbnl?j". Any > > > suggestions would be great. > > > > A suggestion: > > See documentation about VNC viewer and server. > > Maybe you have to modify some of config file of vnc. > > In /etc you have a vnc.conf (maybe) see about keyboard here. > > Maybe this are the solution > > Apparently this is a bug in Feisty with vnc and gnome. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/control-center/+bug/108928 If anyone else runs into this, I was able to fix it by running "sudo gconf-editor" then navigating to "desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd" and editing the "layouts" key to [pc105] and then setting it as default. I didn't make it mandatory just in case we have a different keyboard plugged in, but at least this seems to give it sensible defaults to hand out. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rubendarioportillo at columbia.edu.py Mon Jul 2 21:04:14 2007 From: rubendarioportillo at columbia.edu.py (Lic.Ruben Dario Portillo T.) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:04:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with dhcp packets Message-ID: <20070702170414.b0kzu6vc34s40g44@mail.columbia.edu.py> Nice day for everybody. I just installed de K12 ltsp on my sun v20 z. No installations problems but my sun workstation try to get an ip number and they can't.Any idea where to begin? The log file says: May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.2.129 to 00:03:ba:d7:36:b2 via eth0 May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.129 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.229 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.223 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.228 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: If this DHCP server is authoritative for that subnet, May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: please write an `authoritative;' directive either in the May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: subnet declaration or in some scope that encloses the May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: subnet declaration - for example, write it at the top May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: of the dhcpd.conf file. May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.91 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.123 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.225 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: uid lease 192.168.2.230 for client 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 is duplicate on WORKSTATIONS May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 via eth0 May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.2.125 to 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 via eth0 May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: Dynamic and static leases present for 192.168.2.125. THE CONFIGUARTION FILE IS THIS: # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; option routers 192.168.2.90; option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.90; next-server 192.168.2.90; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.2.90; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.2.90; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:DC; fixed-address 192.168.2.108; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:61; fixed-address 192.168.2.115; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:3A:C1; fixed-address 192.168.2.117; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws004 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:CC:D5:99; fixed-address 192.168.2.112; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws005 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:14; fixed-address 192.168.2.110; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws006 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:55; fixed-address 192.168.2.136; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws007 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:6A; fixed-address 192.168.2.113; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws008 { hardware ethernet 00:3B:BA:D7:36:88; fixed-address 192.168.2.133; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws009 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:39:DA; fixed-address 192.168.2.140; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws010 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:4A; fixed-address 192.168.2.102; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws011 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:E9; fixed-address 192.168.2.124; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws012 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:34; fixed-address 192.168.2.125; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws013 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:B8; fixed-address 192.168.2.123; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws014 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:CC:D5:9A; fixed-address 192.168.2.120; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws015 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:70; fixed-address 192.168.2.122; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws016 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:B2; fixed-address 192.168.2.129; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws017 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:3B:02; fixed-address 192.168.2.92; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws018 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:9E; fixed-address 192.168.2.128; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws019 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:72; fixed-address 192.168.2.91; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } host ws020{ hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:AF; fixed-address 192.168.2.130; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # Apple Specific Settings # host ws007 { # hardware ethernet 00:30:65:69:23:60; # fixed-address 192.168.2.4; # option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; # filename "yaboot"; # option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; # } } From rowens at ptd.net Mon Jul 2 21:34:39 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:34:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <20070702213439.GA14126@clubber.owens.net> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 04:24:42PM +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > >Eric has the rpmforge repo disabled by default. You can edit > >k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo to include "enabled=1" > > Ah, I see now. I'm probably just too used to installing the rpmforge- > release package myself. > > After removing the rpmforge-release package and just enabling the > repo in k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo I ran yum update, but this failed with: > > --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) for package: icewm > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) is needed by > package icewm > > We don't use IceWM, but it came with the default install settings. Is > this something to report to rpmforge? I know I can just exclude or > remove the icewm package. I don't know what's causing that. I haven't seen that error on my server. Maybe it's a conflict resulting from your having both rpmforge.repo and k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo enabled previously? When I was having weird yum trouble, Eric suggested a "yum clean all" and that fixed it. Maybe give that a try. -Rob From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 2 21:56:37 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:56:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: <20070702213439.GA14126@clubber.owens.net> References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> <20070702213439.GA14126@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Rob Owens wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 04:24:42PM +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: >> Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> Eric has the rpmforge repo disabled by default. You can edit >>> k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo to include "enabled=1" >> >> Ah, I see now. I'm probably just too used to installing the rpmforge- >> release package myself. >> >> After removing the rpmforge-release package and just enabling the >> repo in k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo I ran yum update, but this failed with: >> >> --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) for package: icewm >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) is needed by >> package icewm >> >> We don't use IceWM, but it came with the default install settings. Is >> this something to report to rpmforge? I know I can just exclude or >> remove the icewm package. > > I don't know what's causing that. I haven't seen that error on my > server. Maybe it's a conflict resulting from your having both > rpmforge.repo and k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo enabled previously? When I > was > having weird yum trouble, Eric suggested a "yum clean all" and that > fixed it. Maybe give that a try. I already tried that, but the problem still occurs. The currently installed package is icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 and yum tries to upgrade to icewm-1.2.30-1.el5.rf, but fails because of the dependency error. The dependency is provided by imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6. rpmforge has 1.9.13-1.el5.rf in the repository. The problem is probably that the rpmforge icewm package needs rpmforge's imlib package and that the k12ltsp icewm package needs the fc6 imlib package. Has anyone else run a succesful yum update on K12LTSP 5EL while having icewm installed and rpmforge enabled? Are you running 1.2.28 from K12LTSP or 1.2.30 from rpmforge? I could force rpmforge's imlib onto my system and upgrade to rpmforge's icewm package, but then yum update would probably give me a similar dependency problem with imlib. I guess I'll just remove the icewm package, since we're not using IceWM anyway. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Jul 3 01:33:32 2007 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:33:32 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redirect to a user accpetance page? Message-ID: <40461.192.168.0.250.1183426412.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Anyone know of a way to redirect web traffic to a user acceptance page first before allowing them to surf the web? Im looking at NoCatSplash (http://nocat.net) for all my users LTSP & Wireless clients. Anyone get this working or know of a way to do this? Thanks! Setup is CentOS, LTSP, Dansguardian, and Squid. Wilson From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 3 03:53:37 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:53:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NOT too late! Join us for FOSSED UNH 2007! Message-ID: Want some great ideas for the coming school year? Want to learn a whole lot more about Moodle? Want some great tips and skills to make your job as a techie much easier? Wanna' learn about some really cool Open Source software for your classroom? Well...it's not too late to register for the UNH FOSSED conference. Come and join us! The conference at Gould Academy in June was a huge success....come and be a part of the excitement! For more info, schedules...and to register...visit http://www.fossed.com You can sign up for one day, two days, or all three! Join us! If you have any questions email us at info at fossed.net Hope to see you there! -- David Trask Copper Dog Consulting and Training copperdoggy at gmail.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 3 04:38:44 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:38:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4689D2D4.4050507@cmosnetworks.com> >> 1) I would like to remove the session chooser on the terminals. In >> other >> words, I want the users to be forced to go into Gnome and not have a >> choice >> for any other display managers. > > Move files from /etc/X11/dm/Sessions (I think) for unwanted session > types. Could also be in /usr/share/xsessions. > > For the love of Pete, could they stop moving those with every release? > That's a very good reason to go with the EL releases. They are, by definition, stable, and as a sysadmin, I like that a lot. It's why I run Ubuntu Dapper and CentOS wherever I can at work. Because of this, I've decided to keep my production server on K12LTSP 4.2EL for a little while longer. It ain't broke--no need to fix it yet. Still going to play with 5.0EL, though. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 3 04:58:07 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:58:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redirect to a user accpetance page? In-Reply-To: <40461.192.168.0.250.1183426412.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> References: <40461.192.168.0.250.1183426412.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Message-ID: <4689D75F.6020505@cmosnetworks.com> I haven't done it with NoCatSplash, but I have done it with OpenBSD and Cisco PIXes. The problem is that all of these methods work via packet-filtering rules (e. g. iptables). This is fine if you're talking about a single-user box, but when you're dealing with a multi-user machine (e. g. one running LTSP), then once one student authenticates to NoCatSplash/OpenBSD/CiscoPIX/etc., then the firewall rule allows everybody else's traffic from that IP address, too. That means that only that single student sees the user acceptance page, and everyone else can try to claim ignorance. You don't want to give kids--or their (sometimes very difficult) parents any ammo to use against you and your principal. Better, I think, to go with a posted policy and tell the kids about it. If you're in the USA, then case law in this country says that ignorance of the law is no excuse. The reason for that is that the law is available to anyone who wants to go into a law library and read it for free. Same goes for posted policies. We've suspended, and even expelled, more than one kid for doing things he or she wasn't supposed to do on the computer systems. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > Anyone know of a way to redirect web traffic to a user acceptance page > first before allowing them to surf the web? Im looking at NoCatSplash > (http://nocat.net) for all my users LTSP & Wireless clients. Anyone get > this working or know of a way to do this? Thanks! > > Setup is CentOS, LTSP, Dansguardian, and Squid. > > > Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 3 05:10:42 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:10:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with dhcp packets In-Reply-To: <20070702170414.b0kzu6vc34s40g44@mail.columbia.edu.py> References: <20070702170414.b0kzu6vc34s40g44@mail.columbia.edu.py> Message-ID: <4689DA52.6020504@cmosnetworks.com> Just took a look at this and compared it to my dhcpd.conf. I do see one potential problem. Take a look at the entry for host ws003, as an example: host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:3A:C1; fixed-address 192.168.2.117; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; Note carefully the line that starts with "# kernels are specified" and the one right after it, "in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/". These two lines actually should be *one* line, like so: # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ What happens when you try to netboot a client that doesn't have a static reservation? Does it netboot, and do you get any error messages for it? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Lic.Ruben Dario Portillo T. wrote: > Nice day for everybody. I just installed de K12 ltsp on my sun v20 z. > No installations problems but my sun workstation try to get an ip > number and they can't.Any idea where to begin? The log file says: > > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.2.129 to > 00:03:ba:d7:36:b2 via eth0 > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.129 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.229 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.223 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.228 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: If this DHCP server is authoritative > for that subnet, > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: please write an `authoritative;' > directive either in the > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: subnet declaration or in some scope > that encloses the > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: subnet declaration - for example, write > it at the top > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: of the dhcpd.conf file. > May 10 12:02:17 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.91 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.123 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.2.225 via eth0: > not authoritative for subnet 192.168.2.0 lease > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: uid lease 192.168.2.230 for client > 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 is duplicate on WORKSTATIONS > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 via > eth0 > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.2.125 to > 00:03:ba:d7:36:34 via eth0 > May 10 12:02:18 server dhcpd: Dynamic and static leases present for > 192.168.2.125. > > THE CONFIGUARTION FILE IS THIS: > > # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd > # > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; > option routers 192.168.2.90; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.90; > next-server 192.168.2.90; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-221 code 221 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.2.90; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > # newer Macs > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # really old iMacs > elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # Intel PXE > elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) > = "PXEClient" > { > # NOTE: kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > # default to an i386 BOOTP image > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { > option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } else { > option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > } > } > } > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific > clients > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.2.90; > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:DC; > fixed-address 192.168.2.108; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > host ws002 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:61; > fixed-address 192.168.2.115; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne"; > } > host ws003 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:3A:C1; > fixed-address 192.168.2.117; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws004 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:CC:D5:99; > fixed-address 192.168.2.112; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws005 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:14; > fixed-address 192.168.2.110; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws006 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:37:55; > fixed-address 192.168.2.136; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws007 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:6A; > fixed-address 192.168.2.113; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws008 { > hardware ethernet 00:3B:BA:D7:36:88; > fixed-address 192.168.2.133; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws009 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:39:DA; > fixed-address 192.168.2.140; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws010 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:4A; > fixed-address 192.168.2.102; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws011 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:E9; > fixed-address 192.168.2.124; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws012 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:34; > fixed-address 192.168.2.125; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws013 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:B8; > fixed-address 192.168.2.123; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws014 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:CC:D5:9A; > fixed-address 192.168.2.120; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws015 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:70; > fixed-address 192.168.2.122; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws016 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:B2; > fixed-address 192.168.2.129; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws017 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:3B:02; > fixed-address 192.168.2.92; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws018 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:9E; > fixed-address 192.168.2.128; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws019 { > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:72; > fixed-address 192.168.2.91; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > host ws020{ > hardware ethernet 00:03:BA:D7:36:AF; > fixed-address 192.168.2.130; > # kernels are specified > in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > # Apple Specific Settings > # host ws007 { > # hardware ethernet 00:30:65:69:23:60; > # fixed-address 192.168.2.4; > # option root-path "192.168.2.90:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > # filename "yaboot"; > # option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > # } > } > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 3 05:30:01 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:30:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redirect to a user accpetance page? In-Reply-To: <4689D75F.6020505@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40461.192.168.0.250.1183426412.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> <4689D75F.6020505@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1183440601.22864.19.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I just did a bit of thinking on this. I have not done it but squiguard supports per user access rights. As any school will likely have squid and squidguard running anyway, maybe a user login page with policy agreement would be sufficient. Especially if they see that all Internet access is logged with their name attached and mommy and daddy will get a call if something "bad" happens. On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 00:58 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > I haven't done it with NoCatSplash, but I have done it with OpenBSD > and Cisco PIXes. The problem is that all of these methods work via > packet-filtering rules (e. g. iptables). This is fine if you're > talking about a single-user box, but when you're dealing with a > multi-user machine (e. g. one running LTSP), then once one student > authenticates to NoCatSplash/OpenBSD/CiscoPIX/etc., then the firewall > rule allows everybody else's traffic from that IP address, too. That > means that only that single student sees the user acceptance page, and > everyone else can try to claim ignorance. You don't want to give > kids--or their (sometimes very difficult) parents any ammo to use > against you and your principal. > > Better, I think, to go with a posted policy and tell the kids about > it. If you're in the USA, then case law in this country says that > ignorance of the law is no excuse. The reason for that is that the > law is available to anyone who wants to go into a law library and read > it for free. Same goes for posted policies. We've suspended, and > even expelled, more than one kid for doing things he or she wasn't > supposed to do on the computer systems. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > > wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > > Anyone know of a way to redirect web traffic to a user acceptance page > > first before allowing them to surf the web? Im looking at NoCatSplash > > (http://nocat.net) for all my users LTSP & Wireless clients. Anyone get > > this working or know of a way to do this? Thanks! > > > > Setup is CentOS, LTSP, Dansguardian, and Squid. > > > > > > Wilson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Tue Jul 3 12:51:35 2007 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:51:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redire ct to a user accpetance page? Message-ID: I have been trying to figure out how to incorporate Squid and Dan's Guardian with my LTSP server on a single box, and I am having problems. I am using K12LTSP 5.0. I can not get the transparent proxy to work at all. I have been trying manually to redirect web traffic and I have hit a wall. If anyone out there could help, I would greatly appreciate and will be will to name my first born after them. Jeffrey M. Myers Technology Support Consultant II El Dorado Correctional Facility (316) 322-2077 FAX (316) 322-2019 jeffmy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us -----Original Message----- From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com [mailto:wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:34 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redirect to a user accpetance page? Anyone know of a way to redirect web traffic to a user acceptance page first before allowing them to surf the web? Im looking at NoCatSplash (http://nocat.net) for all my users LTSP & Wireless clients. Anyone get this working or know of a way to do this? Thanks! Setup is CentOS, LTSP, Dansguardian, and Squid. Wilson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tim at litwiller.net Tue Jul 3 14:59:57 2007 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:59:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redire ct to a user accpetance page? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468A646D.2090507@litwiller.net> You want to look into wifi captive portal software. - you probably don't need the wifi part - at least you didn't indicate that you do. But the captive portal part of the software will let you setup a term of use page(splash) and a login that uer must go thru to gain web access. chilispot, and nocatnet are the first 2 that come to mind. Jeffrey Myers wrote: > I have been trying to figure out how to incorporate Squid and Dan's Guardian > with my LTSP server on a single box, and I am having problems. I am using > K12LTSP 5.0. I can not get the transparent proxy to work at all. I have > been trying manually to redirect web traffic and I have hit a wall. If > anyone out there could help, I would greatly appreciate and will be will to > name my first born after them. > > From acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us Tue Jul 3 15:14:37 2007 From: acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us (Amy Contreras) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:14:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Integration: Not able to login with domain account Message-ID: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on ADIntigration http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. I was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not able to successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did set the default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several accounts by using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to acknowledge the user accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this is where I get myself in real trouble. I seen that someone else got it working properly by changing the default login manager from GDM to KDM by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". Big mistake. Now I'm basically stuck because I'm not able to login as root and when I login with my local account I'm not able to make any changes because I somehow lack the proper permissions. I tried using sudo to access the desktop file among others but that didn't work either. I've done a google search and searched the archives but haven't found anything yet. Please help! Amy Contreras -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Tue Jul 3 15:49:46 2007 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:49:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla Message-ID: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> ** Confidential ** ** High Priority ** Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with doing it in Dreamweaver? Thanks Travis. http://drupal.org/ http://www.joomla.org/ http://www.compassdesigns.net/professional-joomla-templates.html Scanned by GenNET AV out From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 16:07:07 2007 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:07:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla In-Reply-To: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: <92de6c880707030907u15bd6e8jb0d1d0236a90ce5b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Travis Smith wrote: > ** Confidential ** > ** High Priority ** > > Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production > site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing > with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ > template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading > about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone > care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with > doing it in Dreamweaver? Thanks Travis. You might want to have a look at DrupalEd -- Drupal for Educators. http://www.drupaled.org/ --Tom From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Jul 3 16:14:59 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:14:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla Message-ID: <20070703091459.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d0f42efd1e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I have looked at both. Joomla is my choice for several reasons. Joomla is sooooo much easier to setup and get running. It also has many different modules/components like a lunch menu component that is useful for a school system. I did purchase a nice template from www.joomlashack.com called "Lightfast" that looks good and is easy to setup. It should be live shortly. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla > From: "Travis Smith" > Date: Tue, July 03, 2007 10:49 am > To: > > ** Confidential ** > ** High Priority ** > > Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production > site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing > with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ > template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading > about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone > care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with > doing it in Dreamweaver? Thanks Travis. > > http://drupal.org/ > http://www.joomla.org/ > http://www.compassdesigns.net/professional-joomla-templates.html > > > Scanned by GenNET AV out > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 3 16:34:51 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:34:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox suddenly crashes In-Reply-To: <1183384146.3297.211.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <20070701160018.E485773849@hormel.redhat.com> <4688C8F6.1000000@cscoms.com> <1183384146.3297.211.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1183480491.22864.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 09:49 -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > 2. Another problem is firefox just suddenly closes while visiting a page > > or reading something. > > > > What could be the causes of this problem? > > buggy. I have just seen 32 bit firefox die instantly (and repeatably) > when I right-click on a running flash section. This is an upstream > support issue that centos->redhat->mozilla needs to handle. A debug line > indicated an error with the gecko rendering engine. > > Sort-of resolved this issue. It seems the error only occurs if the root user is logged into the console (yes. bad form using browser as root. I was testing and forgot to log out.) but the crash does NOT occur for other non-root users on clients or console. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jason On 7/2/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > 2) I would like to set up a few of the terminals as kiosks that only > go > > > to > > > > our library catalog. > > > > > > This isn't totally straightforward, but playing with either the KDE > > > kiosktool or GNOME's sabayon, pessulus, and gconf-editor may get you > > > in the ballpark. > > I haven't done this but I would think you would start by building a > different /opt/ltsp > tree such as /opt/ltsp/kiosk and run it along side of your > /opt/ltsp/i386. Then maybe > you could set up in your dhcpd.conf a different range of addresses to have > option > root-path "/opt/ltsp/kiosk" and then assign ip ranges based off of mac > addresses (you > could have a default root-path and specifically assign whichever you have > the least of, > if kiosks are only a small portion of all your ltsp clients then specify > those). Hope > that helps get you on the right path. If anyone has specific directions > to do this > please post, or if anyone thinks this wouldn't work please post as well > :-) > > I will probably be doing something similar in the near future. Since I am > using ubuntu > and ltsp5 it should be a little simpler. They have a tool called > ltsp-build-client for > building the /opt/ltsp tree. You can pass options such as --arch=i386 or > --arch=amd64 > to it. Another option is --kiosk which will build a kiosk environment > automatically. > So I built an /opt/ltsp/i386, /opt/ltsp/amd64 and /opt/ltsp/kiosk. Right > now I can boot > any of the three by changing the option-root path in the dhcpd.conf, so in > the future I > plan on adding the exceptions that will not boot /opt/ltsp/i386 to boot > one of the other > two trees by mac address. 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 3 16:40:52 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:40:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need some basic help In-Reply-To: <5c656a950707030935u47339f4awfe470cf7de9036e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c656a950707012000p6413eb9fi69091c67eb13c309@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707020835q4484cb0fq18caad63ebd690d3@mail.gmail.com> <5c656a950707021203t1bd86323g2c97e9a7b9422420@mail.gmail.com> <20070702192507.M89239@winonacotter.org> <5c656a950707030935u47339f4awfe470cf7de9036e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070703163830.M13240@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:35:12 -0500, Jason Smith wrote > Thanks, Jim. Could you or someone else point me in the right direction to > set up a second ltsp tree? I would like to have the bare minimum in it. I > have tried to find some help online, but obviously not having any luck > finding the right combination of search words =) I am doing this on FC6 and > not Edubuntu. I hadn't tried this until using Edubuntu, the tools there make it very easy. However under FC6 I would think you could just copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 tree to /opt/ltsp/kiosk and then make your kiosk changes to the /opt/ltsp/kiosk tree. I have never tried to build the kiosk stuff from scratch but I know there are a ton of tutorials out on the net. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Jul 3 16:52:46 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:52:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Integration: Not able to login with domain account In-Reply-To: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> References: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <200707031152.46856.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 10:14:37 am Amy Contreras wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active > Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on > ADIntigration > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. I > was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary > changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not > able to successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did > set the default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several > accounts by using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to > acknowledge the user accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this > is where I get myself in real trouble. I seen that someone else got it > working properly by changing the default login manager from GDM to KDM > by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". Big > mistake. Now I'm basically stuck because I'm not able to login as root > and when I login with my local account I'm not able to make any changes > because I somehow lack the proper permissions. I tried using sudo to > access the desktop file among others but that didn't work either. I've > done a google search and searched the archives but haven't found > anything yet. Please help! > > Amy Contreras Hi Amy, Have your tried ssh'ing into the server from another PC? Maybe as root so that you can make the changes. Ray From nils at breun.nl Tue Jul 3 18:05:22 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:05:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla In-Reply-To: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: Travis Smith wrote: > Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a > production > site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing > with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ > template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading > about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. > Anyone > care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with > doing it in Dreamweaver? We've used Drupal. I'll admit it's complex, but also very flexible. If Joomla fits your needs, it might be easier, though I haven't used it myself. 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Then I started reading >> about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. >> Anyone >> care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with >> doing it in Dreamweaver? > > > We've used Drupal. I'll admit it's complex, but also very flexible. > If Joomla fits your needs, it might be easier, though I haven't used > it myself. > > Nils Breunese. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jriddiough at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:29:16 2007 From: jriddiough at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:29:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla Message-ID: <468A957C.6070609@gmail.com> Travis - Anything is a better option compared to Dreamweaver! ;) I've used Joomla and Drupal, and here was my take - Joomla was easy to set up, get templated, and build some pages with - and that's about as far as I made it. Drupal is more complex, but it is what I would recommend (granted, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish.) The community, development, and resources available for use with Drupal are huge and continue to grow. The best approach with Drupal is to keep what you are trying to accomplish light at first, because you will probably make some mistakes as you are getting through the learning curve. Another big part of learning Drupal is being able to find the documentation you are looking for - which becomes easier over time. The CCK & Views modules are amazing! irc.freenode.net / #drupal-support usually has some good people that can get you pointed the right direction. And free themes: http://drupal.org/project/Themes Justin Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with doing it in Dreamweaver? Thanks Travis. From karisue at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:40:23 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drupal or Joomla In-Reply-To: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <468A37D9.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: I use Joomla more than Drupal. My school site is www.stmaryswestville.com/school and other sites I have made w/ Joomla include: www.shicksupply.com www.womens-careclinic.org www.helpministriesinc.org and if you want to see more, I can send you other examples. I like using it at school b/c teachers can update their own pages. ~k On 7/3/07, Travis Smith wrote: > > ** Confidential ** > ** High Priority ** > > Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production > site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing > with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ > template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading > about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone > care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with > doing it in Dreamweaver? Thanks Travis. > > http://drupal.org/ > http://www.joomla.org/ > http://www.compassdesigns.net/professional-joomla-templates.html > > > Scanned by GenNET AV out > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Jul 3 18:42:24 2007 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:42:24 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redire ct to a user accpetance page? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44141.192.168.0.250.1183488144.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> > I have been trying to figure out how to incorporate Squid and Dan's > Guardian > with my LTSP server on a single box, and I am having problems. I am using > K12LTSP 5.0. I can not get the transparent proxy to work at all. I have > been trying manually to redirect web traffic and I have hit a wall. If > anyone out there could help, I would greatly appreciate and will be will > to > name my first born after them. > > > Jeffrey M. Myers > Technology Support Consultant II > El Dorado Correctional Facility > (316) 322-2077 FAX (316) 322-2019 > jeffmy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us > Hey Jeff, You are in luck. Here is my documented configurations for a fresh build of CentOS v5. This should work for your ltsp setup (Config setup below) except the IP's will be different. This will route all port 80 traffic to port 8080 (Dansguardian) and then it would be passed on to 3128 (Squid). :) Let me know if you need help. -Wilson ==CENTOS v5== Load CENTOS v5 - Server wget http://apt.sw.be/packages/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm rpm -ivh rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm yum install squid dansguardian caching-nameserver Eth0 = RR Modem Eth1 = LAN (192.168.100.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /etc/squid/squid.conf http_port 3128 transparent <----Add transparent #Recommended minimum configuration: acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl manager proto cache_object acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 acl to_localhost dst 127.0.0.0/8 acl wirelessNetwork src 192.168.100.0/255.255.255.0 <---- # And finally deny all other access to this proxy ## Allow Wireless http_access allow wirelessNetwork <---- http_access allow localhost http_access deny all ## Transparent Proxying httpd_accel_host virtual <---- httpd_accel_port 80 <---- httpd_accel_with_proxy on <---- httpd_accel_uses_host_header on <---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf filterip = 192.168.100.1 <---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /etc/sysctl.conf # Controls IP packet forwarding net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 <---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.100.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE COMMIT *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT # Some ICMP messages aren't particularly useful and can be particularly # nasty, so drop them or rate limit them as appropriate. # -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 5 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 9 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 10 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 15 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 16 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 17 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 18 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 8 -m limit --limit 1/sec -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp --icmp-type 8 -j DROP -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp -m icmp ! --icmp-type 8 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited COMMIT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com [mailto:wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:34 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone setup their LTSP server web browser to redirect > to > a user accpetance page? > > Anyone know of a way to redirect web traffic to a user acceptance page > first before allowing them to surf the web? Im looking at NoCatSplash > (http://nocat.net) for all my users LTSP & Wireless clients. Anyone get > this working or know of a way to do this? Thanks! > > Setup is CentOS, LTSP, Dansguardian, and Squid. > > > Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From karisue at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:57:05 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:57:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature Message-ID: Oh my. My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind of web interface. Hmmm. I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- students save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a server, IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save their stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the building to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? ~kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 3 19:04:37 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:04:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070703190107.M95148@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:57:05 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server set > up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to his > documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind of > web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- students > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a server, > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save their > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the building > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am unsure > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? You can set up ftp or scp access for free to any linux server if you want (or I guess to individual machines if you wanted). Or if you wanted you could give them VNC or FreeNX access to their individual desktops. I guess there are quite a few options for remote access (you could even setup a VPN if you wanted and allow browsing of the SMB network from home via a VPN client). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Jul 3 19:07:10 2007 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:07:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 2:57 pm, Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some > kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- students > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a server, > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save their > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the building > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am unsure > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > ~kari It sounds a lot like the IT guy at the last school had an SSL vpn, accessible via a Web browser, set up (Windows server, for example, has a built-in one, IIRC). In the FOSS space, you might want to take a look at SSL-Explorer (3sp.com/showsslexplorercommunity.com). HTH Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From karisue at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:07:49 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:07:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <20070703190107.M95148@winonacotter.org> References: <20070703190107.M95148@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: True. FreeNX would be fine, I suppose. Does anyone else offer this to their staff / administration? Is this a typical feature that people offer? ~kari On 7/3/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:57:05 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote > > Oh my. > > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > set > > up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to > his > > documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind > of > > web interface. Hmmm. > > > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students > > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > server, > > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > their > > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building > > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > unsure > > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > You can set up ftp or scp access for free to any linux server if you want > (or I guess to > individual machines if you wanted). Or if you wanted you could give them > VNC or FreeNX > access to their individual desktops. I guess there are quite a few > options for remote > access (you could even setup a VPN if you wanted and allow browsing of the > SMB network > from home via a VPN client). > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:09:56 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:09:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. Thanks for the advice. kari On 7/3/07, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 2:57 pm, Kari Matthews wrote: > > Oh my. > > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access > to > > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some > > kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students > > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > server, > > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > their > > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building > > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > unsure > > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > ~kari > > It sounds a lot like the IT guy at the last school had an SSL vpn, > accessible > via a Web browser, set up (Windows server, for example, has a built-in > one, > IIRC). In the FOSS space, you might want to take a look at SSL-Explorer > (3sp.com/showsslexplorercommunity.com). > > HTH > > Dimitri > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My school site is > www.stmaryswestville.com/school > > and other sites I have made w/ Joomla include: > > www.shicksupply.com > www.womens-careclinic.org > www.helpministriesinc.org > > and if you want to see more, I can send you other examples. > > I like using it at school b/c teachers can update their own pages. > > ~k > > > > > On 7/3/07, Travis Smith < tsmith at geneseeschools.org> wrote: > > > > ** Confidential ** > > ** High Priority ** > > > > Anyone using Joomla or Drupal content management system for a production > > site? Would love to see how it turned out for you. I have been playing > > with Joomla and seems pretty nice, was thinking about buying a 40$ > > template and see what the outcome looks like. Then I started reading > > about how much more powerful drupal is but also more complicated. Anyone > > care to give their opinion on the systems or think I should stick with > > doing it in Dreamweaver? 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On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > Thanks for the advice. > > kari > > > > > On 7/3/07, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 2:57 pm, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > Oh my. > > > > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the > > server > > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have > > access to > > > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had > > some > > > kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > > students > > > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > > server, > > > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > > their > > > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > > > > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > > building > > > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, > > forget > > > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > > unsure > > > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > ~kari > > > > It sounds a lot like the IT guy at the last school had an SSL vpn, > > accessible > > via a Web browser, set up (Windows server, for example, has a built-in > > one, > > IIRC). 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URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:42:00 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:42:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200707031542.00863.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 14:57, Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some > kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- students > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a server, > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save their > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the building > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am unsure > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > With only 80 users and only for file access, I think the simplest option would be to use the sftp subsystem of ssh; just make sure that your perimeter firewall forward tcp port 22 to the server in question and that your ssh daemon is running and that the sftp subsystem hasn't been disabled (it is usually on by default). On the remote clients, you can any of several applications as your remote GUI "file manager" (anything that supports sftp). I use Konqueror on my Linux machines. The free "CoreFTP" application can be used from Windows machines. An example URL for Konqueror would be: sftp://user at host.domain All transactions use strong encryption, so it is relatively secure as long as you enforce "good" passwords (just like any other remote access strategy). If remote GUI desktop sessions are desired, you can again leverage ssh and use "freenx" on the server. On the clients you can get free NX clients for Linux, Windows, Mac, and Solaris from Nomachine: http://www.nomachine.com NX uses SSH for transport. Combining sftp for file transport and NX for sessions is a solid and secure means of providing cross-platform remote access securely and for free. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:55:46 2007 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:55:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c880707031255q67ab259bk27e6dda53b3614ea@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server set > up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to his > documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind of > web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- students > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a server, > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save their > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the building > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget it. > This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am unsure how > to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? Could the principal be thinking of iFolder? http://www.ifolder.com/index.php/Main_Page It is open source, but I don't know how well it runs on a K12LTSP server. --Tom From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Jul 3 19:05:17 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:05:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature Message-ID: <20070703120517.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0cebe2e9c5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I use a Cisco VPN connection to connect and then use Webmin to access files on the server. It seems to work out OK. I have also connected to the shares by mapping a drive while connected via VPN. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Tue, July 03, 2007 1:57 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the > server set > up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access > to his > documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some > kind of > web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students > save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > server, > IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > their > stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building > to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, forget > it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > unsure > how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > ~kari
_______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 3 20:07:54 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:07:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994441ae0707031307r64dfb241r96ba23c3bf7e89fc@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server set > up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to his > documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind of > web interface. Hmmm. OpenVPN is free and runs on Linux, Windows, and Mac. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 20:13:09 2007 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:13:09 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Tutor: LTSP & Open Suse From scratch! Message-ID: <12b235150707031313m3a079f3dib819a12026fe1b54@mail.gmail.com> Hi list! If you are a spanish people and you need install a LTSP in open Suse 10 from scatch (desde cero) here and now I bring you a mini tutorial about this! This tutor is write in Spanish for spanish people! Greetings from Argentina!!! Here is: ****************************************************** Lun 14 May 2007 Open SuSe 10 y LTSP desde cero: Banco de pruebas: Hp Compaq d330 DT - 256MB - 40GB disco Pentium 1 133 MMX - 16MB Implementacion: LTSP 4.1.1 NOTA: UTILICE TAMBIEN EL MANUAL DE LTSP EN SUS VERSIONES 3 & 4 > Arrancamos con el CD 1 elegimos "Instalacion" > El CD ejecuta sus aplicaciones de diagonostico y comienza la instalacion: Idioma: elegimos : "ESPA?OL". Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Comprobacion de medios: comprueba el estado de los CDs es una herramienta util, pero no creo q lo sea para este caso, aceptamos que los isos que grabamos se encuentran en buenas condiciones. Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Acuerdo de licencia: la licencia expresa de NOVELL. Open Source. Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Modo de instalacion: elejimos "NUEVA INSTALACION". Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Reloj y zona horaria: en "ZONA" elegimos "America cenntral...", en Zona horaria "Buenos Aires". Cambiamos fecha y hora si es necesario haciendo clic en el boton "Cambiar" de "FECHA & HORA". Cambiamos a "HORA LOCAL" en "RELOJ DE HARDWARE...". Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Seleccion de escritorio: tenemos 3 opciones: KDE, GNOME u OTRO. Personalmente de entrada me inclino a GNOME que es un GRAN entorno grafico e intuitivo, pero mas tarde probaremos el "SISTEMA GRAFICO MINIMO" que ofrece la opcion "OTRO". elegimos GNOME. Clic en "SIGUIENTE". Configuracion de la instalacion: probaremos instalar desde cero un unico sist operativo con reiserfs que es por defecto lo que suse 10 ofrece. A partir de ahora comienza la instalacion. Espacio requerido: 2.4 GB de disco. > Una vez terminada la instalacion, llenamos los campos restantes: contrase?a de root y su cifrado lo deje tipo DES. Configuracion de RED. En la opcion cortafuegos: desabilito el cortafuegos. Esto es importante, ya que el CORTAFUEGOS (FIREWALL) puede denegar puertos que son necesarios para ejecutar ciertos servicios como DHCP o TFTP. En tarjeta de red cambiamos la configuracion DHCP por estatica con la IP 192.168.0.254 (para nuestro server). Cambiamos los nombres en nombre de host por: "server" y en nombre de dominio por "ltsp". Esto se hace porque la instalacion por defecto de LTSP utiliza el nombre "server" para el servidor y el dominio "ltsp" por defecto para su entorno. Si tenemos DNS de algun ISP lo ponemos en "servidor de nombres n". En "enrutado" si tenemos alguna pasarela la colocamos aqui. Todo lo demas que vemos en "configuracion de red" lo dejamos por defecto como esta. Ahora se guardara la configuracion de la red y se reiniciaran algunos servicios relacionados con la conectividad del equipo. Probar conexion a Internet. lo pas? por alto. Metodo de autentificacion de usuarios. Lo dejo por defecto en "local". Ahora nos pide que ingresemos un "nuevo usuario local", lo cual lo haremos para probar nuestro LTSP mas adelante. Destildamos el "inicio de sesion automatico". > Notas de la version y configuracion de hardware Aqui podemos leer lo ultimo que trae opensuse. Con respecto a la deteccion de hardware, fue sin problemas. Detecto la placa de red, de video, etc sin ningun problema. >Inicio de sesion. Entramos a la pantalla grafica de login como root. Bajamos de internet LTSP 4.1.1 de ltsp.org (busquen donde esta en "DOWNLOADS", bajen el .iso o las carpetas), que es el que vamos a usar. lo alojamos en la carpeta root. Bajamos "ltsp-utils-0.25.0.tar.gz", lo extraemos alli mismo, nos quedara una carpeta "ltsp utils. Ingresamos a este directorio. Abrimos un terminal. Ingresamos: ./install.sh La instalacion del sistema instalador de LTSP 4.1.1 esta lista, pero todavia no va a arrancar, debemos instalar la libreria "libwww-perl". vamos a YAST y lo instalamos (se encuentra en el CD nro. 4). NOTA: Uso el ltsp-utils 0.25 en vez del 0.1 porque de esta forma me aseguro que en un futuro si quiero actualizar LTSP me sirva este instalador para futuras nuevas versiones. Corremos las "ltsp-utils" ingresando: ltspadmin Podemos en este momento chequear los servicios necesarios que hacen funcionar a LTSP, para eso nos vamos a "configurar LTSP". Chequea el runlevel, si hay placas de red, si esta corriendo dhcp y tftp. Chequea el portmapper (para nfs) y el server nfs. Luego chequea el login remoto xdmcp y varios archivos de configuracion. ingresamos con enter y luego presionamos s para ver el estado de los servicios. vemos que faltan casi todos los servicios ser instalados. Volvemos atras y configuramos la instalacion de LTSP: Entramos en configurar opciones del instalador: Nos pregunta donde tenemos el instalador, como recordamos esta en la carpeta root. ingresamos: file:///root/ltsp-4.1.1 Ahora nos pregunta en donde queremos alojar el arbol de directorios de LTSP, por defectop es /opt/ltsp, presionamos enter. Si tenemos proxy lo indicamos aqui de la siguiente forma [host]:[puerto]. de no tener proxy, con enter salteamos esta opcion. Nos pregunta si tenemos ftp proxy, hacemos lo mismo que en el caso anterior. Confirmamos y vamos a la opcion instalar/actualizar paquetes LTSP. Vemos ahora una lista de los paquetes a instalar, seguimos las instrucciones. Procedemos a instalar los paquetes (todos). Una vez instalados procedemos a configurar manualmente el resto de la implementacion: Lo primero que vamos a hacer es instalar tftp y dhcp-server. Esto deberemos hacerlo como siempre desde Yast. Una vez instalado, salimos de ltspadmin y volvemos a entrar, asi actualizamos la ventana de servicios (es la unica forma). Chequeamos los servicios y ahora podemos ver que estan todos instalados. > Es hora de dejar los servicios y archivos de configuracion restantes funcionando. Vamos a configurar los servicios manualmente. la opcion [1] no tocarla, aunque SuSe viene de debian y el runlevel de debian es 2 aqui es como red hat, 5. Si tenemos mas de una placa de red entramos a la opcion 2, de todas formas entramos y checamos que este seleccionada la placa que deseamos usar para LTSP. El topico 3 es referente a la configuracion de dhcp. Podemos ver que dhcp ya esta habilitado, pero debemos habilitarlo para que cada vez q arranque el server (la aplicacion nos guiara para dejarlo seteado en ON al arranque), ?ste tambien lo haga y de paso tambien, creamos un archivo dhcpd.conf de ejemplo que nos sera tremendamente util mas tarde. NOTA: Si no queda habilitado dhcp para funcionar desde el arranque, podemos tranquilamente con Yast habilitarlo en servicios. La opcion 4 habilita tftp. La opcion 5 configura portmapper. No hace falta, ya esta configurado. La opcion 6 configura NFS. entramos y aceptamos que NFS arranque cada vez que bootea el server. La opcion 7 habilita gdm para recibir llamadas remotas. Lo habilitamos. Luego decimos que no a la desabilitacion de LOGIN grafico, por razones obvias. Por ultimo creamos los archivos de configuracion necesarios para LTSP, estos son: hosts, hosts.allow, exports y lts.conf. Ahora en SuSe vamos a buscar los archivos de configuracion de los servicios para modificar peque?os puntos. DHCP-SERVER Lo arrancamos, paramos y rearrancamos con: /etc/init.d/dhcpd start-stop-restart. Apenas instalado nos dara el error siguiente: "DHCPD_INTERFACE en /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd esta vacia!" Este archivo de configuracion es analogo al de Debian que es /etc/defaults. Entramos al archivo dhcpd y donde encontramos la variable DHCPD_INTERFACE, agregamos entre las comillas "eth0", guardamos los cambios y rearrancamos dhcp como fue explicado anteriormente. Ahora el error que nos dara es que no encuentra la red actual, eso es logico porque el archivo dhcpd.conf por defecto apunta a otra red. Solo tenemos que renombrar este dhcpd.conf por dhcpd.conf.old y el dhcpd.conf.sample que nos instalo la aplicacion ltspadmin por dhcpd.conf. Reiniciamos nuevamente dhcpd. Debemos tener mensaje de "done". Ahora entramos a /etc/dhcpd.conf y configuramos un par de cosas: Una cosa que aprendi es que si hay varios servidores dhcp la cosa se torna dificil, hay colisiones de paquetes, etc. En la 2da linea de texto incluimos: authoritative; Cambiamos si es necesario las ubicaciones de los DNS asi como tambien la de gateway (routers). En domain-name cambiamos por ltsp. Como estamos basados en ETHERBOOT, debemos cambiar el kernel que muestra por defecto que es: vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp1 por vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp3. TFTP: Basicamente, reiniciando el demonio xined es suficiente, de todas formas debemos saber que tftp debe apuntar al directorio /tftpboot que es el que cre? la instalacion de LTSP y es donde se alojan los kernels de arranque del entorno en el cliente. En /etc/xinetd/tftp debemos comprobar que este apuntando el servicio a /tftpboot corriendo en modo seguro (-s). El modo seguro le dice a tftpd que el path a donde apuntan los ficheros es ABSOLUTO, no relativo. NFS Vamos a /etc/exports y cambiamos /opt/ltsp por /opt/ltsp/i386 (podemos darnos cuenta que es la misma linea de dhcpd.conf en option-root-path). Creamos a mano el directorio /var/opt/swap/files que es el directorio donde se alojara la memoria de intercambio de los terminales con poca memoria RAM. NOTA crear primero el sirectorio ltsp y luego el swapfiles en el path /var/opt. Reiniciamos el servicio: /etc/init.d/nfsserver restart Y comprobamos los directorios compartidos: showmount -e Veremos listados los directorios de /etc/exports Reiniciamos Xinetd: /etc/init.d/xinetd restart Chequeamos todos los servicios de nuevo con ltspadmin. Ahora vamos a la configuracion de XDMCP: Vamos a Aplicaciones > Sistema > Configuracion > Configuracion de pantalla de entrada (Login Screen Setup) Vamos a la pesta?a "general" y habilitamos un tema para la entrada remota, vemos que previamente lo teniamos desabilitado. Vamos a "seguridad" y comprobamos que XDMCP este habilitado. En la pesta?a "XDMCP" le decimos cuantos clientes vamos a colgar a gdm en "Maximo de sesiones remotas". Por ?ltimo, vamos a Yast y desinstalamos el generador de logs del sistema que es "syslog-ng". Una vez desinstalado, instalamos "syslog" (se encuentra en el CD 1). Una vez instalado vamos a /etc/sysconfig/syslog y en la linea 20 aprox. encontramos una declaracion de variable: SYSLOGD_PARAMS="" Lo reemplazamos por: SYSLOGD_PARAMS="-r" Esto es para que sea posible la generacion remota de logs. Syslogd de esta forma escucha a la red. Por defecto syslog esta en modo "standalone" o sea local. REINICIAMOS EL SERVER. Fin de la implementacion de LTSP en Open SuSe 10.0 NOTAS: Esta implementacion esta basada en ETHERBOOT, por favor referirse al manual oficial de LTSP para mas informacion o a www.etherboot.org. Si los clientes tienen menos de 32 MB de RAM se experimentara continuamente freezamientos (congelamiento) de las terminales, especialmente cuando se navegue por Internet, esto se soluciona creando memoria virtual para ese cliente en particular, utilizando el metodo NFS SWAP. Para mas informacion por favor remitase al manual oficial de LTSP. 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URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Jul 3 20:32:12 2007 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:32:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707031307r64dfb241r96ba23c3bf7e89fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <994441ae0707031307r64dfb241r96ba23c3bf7e89fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707031632.14076.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 4:07 pm, Dan Young wrote: > On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access > > to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had > > some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > OpenVPN is free and runs on Linux, Windows, and Mac. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I'm not trying to be disparaging (I use OpenVPN in our shop for certain users), but OpenVPN requires generation of certificates, and installation of software, those certs, and a config file on the client machine. While I'm not in the edu field, I'm guessing that most principals would find this a bother, to put it mildly. IMHO, a Web-based solution is probably best here. As an alternative to DL'ing, installing, and setting up SSL-Explorer (which we also use in our shop), Netgear makes an inexpensive (~$300) 25-user SSL VPN appliance (my suspicion is that it's driven by the commercial version of SSL-Explorer-same look and feel). I've seen it in action, and it works very well. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 3 20:46:31 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <200707031632.14076.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <994441ae0707031307r64dfb241r96ba23c3bf7e89fc@mail.gmail.com> <200707031632.14076.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707031346v67589f95g3dc6f06981e5ccf8@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 4:07 pm, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access > > > to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had > > > some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > OpenVPN is free and runs on Linux, Windows, and Mac. > > I'm not trying to be disparaging (I use OpenVPN in our shop for certain > users), but OpenVPN requires generation of certificates, and installation of > software, those certs, and a config file on the client machine. While I'm > not in the edu field, I'm guessing that most principals would find this a > bother, to put it mildly. IMHO, a Web-based solution is probably best here. > As an alternative to DL'ing, installing, and setting up SSL-Explorer (which > we also use in our shop), Netgear makes an inexpensive (~$300) 25-user SSL > VPN appliance (my suspicion is that it's driven by the commercial version of > SSL-Explorer-same look and feel). I've seen it in action, and it works very > well. Point taken. OpenVPN is to be set up with the help and guidance of your local expert. FWIW, the Windows installer can be custom built with the configuration pre-loaded, so end-users of the OpenVPN client could potentially just run an installer and go. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From joe at vortex-tech.com Tue Jul 3 20:56:22 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:56:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98bb4fe80707031356x403a923bn93033af7c2cafe9d@mail.gmail.com> I am pretty sure that usermin can do that. It is a sister project of webmin. He is probably talking about novell webaccess though. On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind > of web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > server, IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > their stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, > forget it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > ~kari > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 3 21:06:24 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:06:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1183496784.22864.89.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Squirrelmail has a plugin that allows access to the user home directory after login. Just be sure to use SSL. On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:57 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the > server set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and > have access to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last > school had some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of > having a server, IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this > -- they all save their stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs > anything, forget it. This is a small school (80 students) with a > small budget. I am unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > ~kari > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He claims that the > > > > last school had some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > > > OpenVPN is free and runs on Linux, Windows, and Mac. > > > > I'm not trying to be disparaging (I use OpenVPN in our shop for certain > > users), but OpenVPN requires generation of certificates, and installation > > of software, those certs, and a config file on the client machine. While > > I'm not in the edu field, I'm guessing that most principals would find > > this a bother, to put it mildly. IMHO, a Web-based solution is probably > > best here. As an alternative to DL'ing, installing, and setting up > > SSL-Explorer (which we also use in our shop), Netgear makes an > > inexpensive (~$300) 25-user SSL VPN appliance (my suspicion is that it's > > driven by the commercial version of SSL-Explorer-same look and feel). > > I've seen it in action, and it works very well. > > Point taken. OpenVPN is to be set up with the help and guidance of > your local expert. > > FWIW, the Windows installer can be custom built with the configuration > pre-loaded, so end-users of the OpenVPN client could potentially just > run an installer and go. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Point also well taken. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From joe at vortex-tech.com Tue Jul 3 21:08:12 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <98bb4fe80707031356x403a923bn93033af7c2cafe9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <98bb4fe80707031356x403a923bn93033af7c2cafe9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98bb4fe80707031408h64f7f5ceg522bddf55b42590a@mail.gmail.com> not webaccess.... I meant netstorage.... what was I thinking... On 7/3/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > I am pretty sure that usermin can do that. It is a sister project of > webmin. He is probably talking about novell webaccess though. > > On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > > Oh my. > > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the server > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have access to > > his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had some kind > > of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > > students save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of having a > > server, IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this -- they all save > > their stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > > building to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs anything, > > forget it. This is a small school (80 students) with a small budget. I am > > unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > ~kari > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 21:58:34 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:58:34 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <200707031632.14076.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <994441ae0707031307r64dfb241r96ba23c3bf7e89fc@mail.gmail.com> <200707031632.14076.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: There is also a VM for SSL Explorer On 04/07/07, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 4:07 pm, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the > server > > > set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and have > access > > > to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last school had > > > some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > > > OpenVPN is free and runs on Linux, Windows, and Mac. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > I'm not trying to be disparaging (I use OpenVPN in our shop for certain > users), but OpenVPN requires generation of certificates, and installation > of > software, those certs, and a config file on the client machine. While I'm > not in the edu field, I'm guessing that most principals would find this a > bother, to put it mildly. IMHO, a Web-based solution is probably best > here. > As an alternative to DL'ing, installing, and setting up SSL-Explorer > (which > we also use in our shop), Netgear makes an inexpensive (~$300) 25-user SSL > VPN appliance (my suspicion is that it's driven by the commercial version > of > SSL-Explorer-same look and feel). I've seen it in action, and it works > very > well. > > Dimitri > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 22:52:32 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:52:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Integration: Not able to login with domain account In-Reply-To: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> References: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50707031552g4aa2ce03ka600daa84a521e3d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Amy, Another thing you might try is logging in to "single user mode" and editing the file you changed from there. When you boot your server you should have about three seconds when the boot menu comes up to hit "e" for edit mode (if I remember correctly) then you can use the arrow keys to naviage to the line which has boot info about your kernel (usually the second line down). Hit "e" to edit this line and add this at the end "single" (leave off the qoutes). Then hit enter, that should return you to the previous screen. Hit "b" to tell the Grub boot-loader to load. Hopefully the computer will boot into a command line with you as root. Here's another description taken from a site I found via google: "Using GRUB, you can manually edit the proposed menu entry at boot time. To do so, when GRUB is presenting the menu list (you might need to press ESC first), follow those instructions: * use the arrows to select the boot entry you want to modify. * press e to edit the entry * use the arrows to go to kernel line * press e to edit this entry * at the end of the line add the word single * press ESC to go back to the parent menu * press b to boot this kernel The kernel should be booting as usual (except for the graphical splash screen you might be used to), and you will finally get a root prompt (sh#)." Here's some google keywords to try fedora grub single user mode Hope this helps. John On 7/3/07, Amy Contreras wrote: > > > I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active > Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on > ADIntigration > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. > I was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary > changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not able to > successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did set the > default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several accounts by > using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to acknowledge the user > accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this is where I get myself in > real trouble. I seen that someone else got it working properly by changing > the default login manager from GDM to KDM by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop > and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". Big mistake. Now I'm basically stuck > because I'm not able to login as root and when I login with my local account > I'm not able to make any changes because I somehow lack the proper > permissions. I tried using sudo to access the desktop file among others but > that didn't work either. I've done a google search and searched the > archives but haven't found anything yet. Please help! > > Amy Contreras > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 23:19:11 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:19:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Integration: Not able to login with domain account In-Reply-To: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> References: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <508f42dc0707031619i646ac5e5lbbfe78f8f0cba634@mail.gmail.com> To allow root logins with kdm edit this file: /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc Look for: AllowRootLogin=true It may be in there twice... ;-) Paul On 7/3/07, Amy Contreras wrote: > > > I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active > Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on > ADIntigration > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. > I was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary > changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not able to > successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did set the > default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several accounts by > using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to acknowledge the user > accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this is where I get myself in > real trouble. I seen that someone else got it working properly by changing > the default login manager from GDM to KDM by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop > and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". Big mistake. Now I'm basically stuck > because I'm not able to login as root and when I login with my local account > I'm not able to make any changes because I somehow lack the proper > permissions. I tried using sudo to access the desktop file among others but > that didn't work either. I've done a google search and searched the > archives but haven't found anything yet. Please help! > > Amy Contreras > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at ptd.net Tue Jul 3 23:31:36 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:31:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <200707031542.00863.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <200707031542.00863.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070703233136.GA17531@clubber.owens.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:42:00PM -0400, John Lucas wrote: > On the remote clients, you can any of several applications as your remote GUI > "file manager" (anything that supports sftp). I use Konqueror on my Linux > machines. The free "CoreFTP" application can be used from Windows machines. WinSCP is pretty good, and is licensed GPL. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Wed Jul 4 00:10:18 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:10:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Integration: Not able to login with domain account In-Reply-To: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> References: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC3@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <20070704001018.GB17531@clubber.owens.net> I'm not sure if this is what's causing your problem or not, but the default value for a couple of options in smb.conf changed recently. I ran into this problem when configuring K12LTSP 5.0EL for AD authentication. The options are "winbind enum groups" and "winbind enum users". They used to default to "yes", but now they default to "no". You might want to try setting them to "yes" and see if that fixes anything. -Rob On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:14:37AM -0400, Amy Contreras wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active > Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on > ADIntigration > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. I > was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary > changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not > able to successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did > set the default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several > accounts by using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to > acknowledge the user accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this > is where I get myself in real trouble. I seen that someone else got it > working properly by changing the default login manager from GDM to KDM > by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". Big > mistake. Now I'm basically stuck because I'm not able to login as root > and when I login with my local account I'm not able to make any changes > because I somehow lack the proper permissions. I tried using sudo to > access the desktop file among others but that didn't work either. I've > done a google search and searched the archives but haven't found > anything yet. Please help! > > Amy Contreras > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 00:53:08 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:53:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP change my own password script Message-ID: I have an idea for a script for users to be able to change their own passwords in the smbldap setup. Would it work? Create a script with execute only permission for everyone except root. The script would have one main line: sudo smbldap-passwd Create a menu launcher for the script and put it under System, Settings, ChangeMyPassword I imagine it like this. A user clicks on the menu item. A window pops up asking for the password for . Then it asks for the new password twice. Then the window closes. How would I automatically get the name of the currently logged in user? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 00:58:51 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:58:51 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP change my own password script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I have an idea for a script for users to be able to change their own > passwords in the smbldap setup. > Would it work? > > Create a script with execute only permission for everyone except root. > The script would have one main line: > sudo smbldap-passwd > > Create a menu launcher for the script and put it under System, Settings, > ChangeMyPassword > > I imagine it like this. > A user clicks on the menu item. A window pops up asking for the password > for . Then it asks for the new password twice. Then the window > closes. > > How would I automatically get the name of the currently logged in user? > $USERNAME I found the answer to my own question. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jul 4 01:53:56 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature Message-ID: <49993.192.168.254.3.1183514036.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Kari, OK ,You didnt say,but Im assuming you have ONLY Ubunto/ Linux servers/file server that your new principle will be saving stuff to? An easy setup would be to install FreeNX on each file server you have at school( The server part of FreeNX). Then He would have to install the client part on his home machine. ALso what they may have setup at his " last" school is possibly vnc, ( which does has a web interface to it) that lotsa people don't even know exists. If you are not familiar with FreeNX Google it. It is basically a glorified VNC server/client access product. It is all encrypted which is a "good selling point" to your mew principle. Any way you cut it it will be a bit of a hassle,beings he will have to install the client part of FreeNX on his home PC to make it happen.There will be frustration gauranteed, as the learning curve of how to connect the first few times through a " new" interface" to school server! As the Program is implied it IS free!,,:-) So no $ laid out for it. Another caveat is you have to copy the ssh key from the server to each client you want to have try and connect to the given server. There are RPM's for Freenx for Fedora, I beleive there are RPN's as well for Ububtu? So it would be a relativly easy setup. Hope this gives you a starting point. Let us know your outcome. Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school From william at fragakis.com Wed Jul 4 04:30:30 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:30:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <20070704005316.E59F97317E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070704005316.E59F97317E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1183523430.24753.8.camel@server.ltsp> Another vote for WinSCP. We had some 4th graders use it last year to access files from home. Internally, they used a desktop shortcut with Konqueror. Our parents association used FreeNX on another project and it seemed relatively easy to set up but certainly a bit more complex than other means. regards, William On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 20:53 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:31:36 -0400 > From: Rob Owens > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20070703233136.GA17531 at clubber.owens.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:42:00PM -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > On the remote clients, you can any of several applications as your > remote GUI > > "file manager" (anything that supports sftp). I use Konqueror on my > Linux > > machines. The free "CoreFTP" application can be used from Windows > machines. > > WinSCP is pretty good, and is licensed GPL. > > -Rob > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 4 07:11:42 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468B482E.4030509@cmosnetworks.com> You bet it's possible; we do this all the time. In the case of my district, we use an IPSec VPN gateway and have people use something like either VPNC or Cisco's VPN client. Then, it's just like they're inside, at their offices. They get access to everything they'd have if they were physically in the office. It's great. You have your choice of VPN gateways if you choose to go IPSec--you've got Linux's OpenS/WAN, OpenBSD, Cisco, Nokia--you name it. We didn't want to deal with the *MAJOR* hassle of PKI and certificates either, so we decided on using pre-shared group keys. A lot of people scream at the notion of using pre-shared group keys, but we find that it works very well and actually is sufficiently secure for our needs. Since we're a Microsoft shop, we tell our VPN Concentrator (a Cisco 3060) to authenticate against our Active Directory. However, you could also authenticate against a real LDAP directory or the VPN gateway's local /etc/passwd file, for example. For one small (4-person) business, I used a Cisco 2621 that they bought off of eBay about four years ago. The authentication is done on the router's local username/password database. Today, I'd recommend a 3725 instead of the 2621, and a crypto acceleration card would be very highly recommended as well. If you don't want to spend any money, then you've got some learning to do. I would recommend checking out OpenBSD 4.1's IPSec gateway functionality. It used to be a royal PITA to set up, but it's now much, much easier. You will also need a reasonably powerful computer to do this; crypto, especially 3DES crypto, is rather CPU-intensive, generally. However, VIA C7 CPU's come with integrated crypto acceleration right in the CPU, and they're low-power, so that's an option. Someone also mentioned using SFTP. Yes, you can do that, and I have. But then, the box into which you have people SFTP'ing also needs to be directly accessible from the Internet. I wouldn't recommend doing that unless you *really* know what you're doing. Just as a note, please don't equate "open source" with "no cost." MS Internet Explorer or Apple's Safari for Windows doesn't cost money to download, but neither one is open source. And Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which *is* open source, does cost money. They're very different concepts. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh my. > > My new principal says that at his last school, the IT guy had the > server set up so that you could login from anywhere (like home) and > have access to his documents (on the server). He claims that the last > school had some kind of web interface. Hmmm. > > I currently have a Ubuntu 6 server and use smbldap for students -- > students save papers and such on the server. The main advantage of > having a server, IMO, is DansGuardian. None of the teachers do this > -- they all save their stuff locally. We use Google Apps for mail. > > Is there a way to set it up so people have access from outside the > building to their stuff? I only use open source, so if it costs > anything, forget it. This is a small school (80 students) with a > small budget. I am unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > ~kari > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 4 07:44:02 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:44:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tutor: LTSP & Open Suse From scratch! In-Reply-To: <12b235150707031313m3a079f3dib819a12026fe1b54@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150707031313m3a079f3dib819a12026fe1b54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468B4FC2.9040108@cmosnetworks.com> Hola Alberto, Tienes coraz?n noble, y es obvio tu deseo ayudar a la gente. Que triste que Novell/SuSE se ha convertido a traidor a todos de nosotros. En el pasado, me gust? usar y promover SuSE, a?n en esta lista, pero ahora, no puedo tocar esa distribuci?n, incluyendo OpenSuSE, hasta la cesaci?n del pacto de patentes con Microsoft. Su traici?n es despreciable. Lo mismo para Linspire. Para hispanohablantes que quisieran usar GNU/Linux y LTSP, recomiendo K12LTSP o Ubuntu/Kubuntu, lo cuales ya tienen muy buen soporto para el idioma espa?ol hace mucho tiempo. Demostr? para unos peruanos Kubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" en espa?ol hace unos meses, y algunos de ellos tuvieron mucho inter?s. You have a noble heart, and your desire to help people is obvious. How sad that Novell/SuSE has gone traitor on us all. In the past, I liked and promoted SuSE, even on this list, but now, I cannot touch that distribution, including OpenSuSE, until the cessation of the patent deal with Microsoft. Their treason is despicable. Same for Linspire. For Spanish speakers who would like to use GNU/Linux and LTSP, I recommend K12LTSP or Ubuntu/Kubuntu, both of which already have had very good support for the Spanish language for some time. I demo'd Kubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" in Spanish for some Peruvians a few months ago, and some of them took remarkable interest. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Alberto Castillo wrote: > Hi list! > If you are a spanish people and you need install a LTSP in open Suse > 10 from scatch (desde cero) here and now I bring you a mini tutorial > about this! > This tutor is write in Spanish for spanish people! > > Greetings from Argentina!!! > > Here is: > > ****************************************************** > Lun 14 May 2007 > Open SuSe 10 y LTSP desde cero: > > Banco de pruebas: > Hp Compaq d330 DT - 256MB - 40GB disco > Pentium 1 133 MMX - 16MB > > Implementacion: LTSP 4.1.1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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En el pasado, > me gust? usar y promover SuSE, a?n en esta lista, pero ahora, no puedo tocar > esa distribuci?n, incluyendo OpenSuSE, hasta la cesaci?n del pacto de > patentes con Microsoft. Su traici?n es despreciable. Lo mismo para > Linspire. > Definitivamente estoy de acuerdo, te cuento que ese mini tutorial es el resultado de mi implementacion de LTSP para una empresa aqui en Cordoba Argentina que es PArtner de SuSe & Microsoft, y como lo tenia juntando meses en el escritorio de mi maquina, decidi colaborar con la comunidad, asi como ella colaboro conmigo tantas veces. Para hispanohablantes que quisieran usar GNU/Linux y LTSP, recomiendo > K12LTSP o Ubuntu/Kubuntu, lo cuales ya tienen muy buen soporto para el > idioma espa?ol hace mucho tiempo. Demostr? para unos peruanos Kubuntu > 6.06 "Dapper Drake" en espa?ol hace unos meses, y algunos de ellos > tuvieron mucho inter?s. > Estoy al frente de un proyecto educativo local que pronto sera regional. Trabajo en el Ministerio de educacion de Cordoba en la Gcia de Sistemas y nuestro Proyecto se llama "EduLin". Nos basamos en varios tipos de implementaciones para poder hacer funcionar clientes tan viejos como x486 con 8MB ram y andan barbaro! Obvio que para estos casos no usamos LTSP, usamos VNC y la libreria svgalib. En resumen: usamos LTSP, VNC y un hibrido de estos dos. Usamos K12 porque es mucho mas rapido que Ubuntu. Empezamos Con K12, luego nos volcamos a Ubuntu y ahora volvimos a K12, porque vimos que maduro muchisimo y sigue siendo tan agil como el K12 3 o 4. Gracias por todo y cualquier cosa entra a : www.proyectoedulin.com.ar PD: si no encuentras operativo el sitio, es que en este mismo momento estamos haciendo refacciones al mismo! ja! You have a noble heart, and your desire to help people is obvious. How sad > that Novell/SuSE has gone traitor on us all. In the past, I liked and > promoted SuSE, even on this list, but now, I cannot touch that distribution, > including OpenSuSE, until the cessation of the patent deal with Microsoft. > Their treason is despicable. Same for Linspire. > > For Spanish speakers who would like to use GNU/Linux and LTSP, I recommend > K12LTSP or Ubuntu/Kubuntu, both of which already have had very good support > for the Spanish language for some time. I demo'd Kubuntu 6.06 "Dapper > Drake" in Spanish for some Peruvians a few months ago, and some of them took > remarkable interest. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Alberto Castillo wrote: > > Hi list! > If you are a spanish people and you need install a LTSP in open Suse 10 > from scatch (desde cero) here and now I bring you a mini tutorial about > this! > This tutor is write in Spanish for spanish people! > > Greetings from Argentina!!! > > Here is: > > ****************************************************** > Lun 14 May 2007 > Open SuSe 10 y LTSP desde cero: > > Banco de pruebas: > Hp Compaq d330 DT - 256MB - 40GB disco > Pentium 1 133 MMX - 16MB > > Implementacion: LTSP 4.1.1 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Would be a fantastic > feature. > > On 04/07/07, *Kari Matthews* > wrote: > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. > I'll go check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap > work on my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. > This adds fuel to the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school > starts. Yikes! If I had no other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > Thanks for the advice. > > kari > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the script would be launched by the user, wouldn't that user have to be listed in the sudoers file? I suppose you could possibly add an entry in the sudoers file that said all members of a specific group (you could add everyone to a "users" group by default) had sudo permissions only to the script you are talking about, then they could launch it with sudo. They would probably then have to enter their existing password once for sudo authentication and then the new password twice more for the change and verification. I don't know what other security implications there might be by adding those users to the sudoers group, but that might work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rowens at ptd.net Thu Jul 5 13:49:08 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:49:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Review of NorhTec MicroClient Jr. thin client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070705134908.GA9368@clubber.owens.net> Has anyone tried to use the Compact Flash port on this machine as a local device in LTSP? On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 05:05:38PM -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > http://pcburn.com/review-NorhTec_Microclient_Jr-1.php > > Thought some people might find this interesting. They test it as stand > alone and as a thin client with LTSP. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jul 5 14:18:58 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:18:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Review of NorhTec MicroClient Jr. thin client In-Reply-To: <1183597265.22864.124.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1183597265.22864.124.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <468CFDD2.1070804@cmosnetworks.com> Hmm...interesting...I remember a similar discussion in a previous thread about this. My buddy, whom I set up with K12LTSP a little while back, has a Pentium-120 that he finally let me turn into a thin client for his son. It was indeed awful trying to run TuxType or TuxMath...until I dropped a 10/100 card and an ATI Radeon 7500 into it. Now it's great. Could that be the issue--the video chipset? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! James P. Kinney III wrote: > Thanks, Robert. I have a couple here in the shop. > They are quite usable as thin clients. Since they are rather slow, they > won't push the resources of the server too much. > > In prior tests with much faster hardware, apps like tuxmath would bog > down the server. But a 200 MHz CPU just can't pit bits to pixels fast > enough to bog things down running tuxmath :) I only have 2 of these and > I estimate it would take at around 4 to provide the load running tuxmath > that a single 700 MHz Pentium thinkpad can pull on the same server. > > As a general purpose student client they work very well! > > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 17:05 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hmmm another project for week end. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:34:59 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:34:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the nomachine website. John On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to work > at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my opinion. > Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any that I have > tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option from NX just > to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell me it's in my > java configuration. > -Michael > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > feature. > > > On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > kari > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Jul 5 15:41:18 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:41:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D111E.6060601@peopleplaces.org> I use freenx daily.. just not the web-companion product. I've also had trouble getting the nxclient3.0.0 running on Win98. The XP and linux clients work great. -Michael john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. > > John From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:42:43 2007 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:42:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: While I have not attempted to use is on my k12ltsp server, I have used it successfully. I was using a Ubuntu desktop machine as a web server, and it worked wonderfully. I was able to connect using the client program on both XP and Ubuntu. I will admit it was tricky, and I may have had to tweak a setting here or there, but I cannot recall what they may have been. It did work well though. Eric On 7/5/07, john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. > > John > > On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to work > > at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my opinion. > > Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any that I have > > tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option from NX just > > to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell me it's in my > > java configuration. > > -Michael > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > > feature. > > > > > > On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > > > > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > kari > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:45:19 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:45:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I do at our school. I've been using freenx for a few years now to do remote administration from home with NoMachine's Windows and Linux client software. I love it. However, no one else at our school is using the freenx connecting because our Internet connection is relatively slow and I don't want it overloaded with multiple simultaneous connections from the outside. If we can negotiate a faster Internet connection this summer I might open up access through freenx for the upcoming semester. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com On 7/5/07, john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. > > John > > On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to work > > at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my opinion. > > Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any that I have > > tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option from NX just > > to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell me it's in my > > java configuration. > > -Michael > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > > feature. > > > > > > On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > > > > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > kari > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:47:48 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:47:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50707050847x3f374133ne6314f1f5fa528db@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Where is the definitive howto? I am running Ubuntu and would really like to get this working. John On 7/5/07, David Whitmer wrote: > I do at our school. I've been using freenx for a few years now to do > remote administration from home with NoMachine's Windows and Linux > client software. I love it. > > However, no one else at our school is using the freenx connecting > because our Internet connection is relatively slow and I don't want it > overloaded with multiple simultaneous connections from the outside. > If we can negotiate a faster Internet connection this summer I might > open up access through freenx for the upcoming semester. > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > On 7/5/07, john wrote: > > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > > nomachine website. > > > > John > > > > On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to work > > > at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my opinion. > > > Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any that I have > > > tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option from NX just > > > to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell me it's in my > > > java configuration. > > > -Michael > > > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > > > feature. > > > > > > > > > On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > > > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > > > > > > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > > > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > > > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > > > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > > > kari > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jul 5 15:48:38 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:48:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Review of NorhTec MicroClient Jr. thin client In-Reply-To: <20070705134908.GA9368@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070705134908.GA9368@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <1183650518.22864.157.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 09:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > Has anyone tried to use the Compact Flash port on this machine as a local device in > LTSP? My one test it was not recognized. USB insertion was fine but the CF slot was ignored. I may have it turned off in BIOS though. > > On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 05:05:38PM -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > http://pcburn.com/review-NorhTec_Microclient_Jr-1.php > > > > Thought some people might find this interesting. They test it as stand > > alone and as a thin client with LTSP. > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am running Ubuntu and would > really like to get this working. > > John -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From matrimble at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 16:12:50 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:12:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation Profile Message-ID: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> Hello, I was wondering if K12LTSP offers a "Workstation" profile; meaning users log in to the server and have a central location for storage and desktop settings, but run all applications locally? Regards, Mark From rowens at ptd.net Thu Jul 5 16:37:55 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:37:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070705163755.GA10724@clubber.owens.net> I use it on K12LTSP 5.0EL on the local network only. I set it up to use the NoMachine key, in order to simplify client configuration. I believe the command needed was "nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key". Using the NoMachine key means that when someone sets up their NX Client, they won't have to bother copying the server key into their client configuration. This also means that you cannot be 100% certain that you're connecting to the machine you think you're connecting to -- you're open to a possible man-in-the-middle attack. But on my very small local network I'm not concerned about that. I definitely would use a custom key if I was allowing access over the internet, though. -Rob On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:34:59AM -0700, john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. > > John > > On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to > > work > >at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my opinion. > >Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any that I > >have > >tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option from NX just > >to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell me it's in my > >java configuration. > > -Michael > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > >feature. > > > > > >On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > >> That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > >check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > >> > >> I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work on > >my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > >the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > >other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > >> > >> Thanks for the advice. > >> > >> kari > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 16:40:47 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:40:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] changing size of teachertool broadcast window. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/5/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I was doing a demo for a group of teacher the other day and I found the > 640x800 window too small. Is there a way to make it a bigger size, full > screen or even resizable? > (In NX if you log in in windowed mode and click the maximize window button, > the whole desktop resizes to fit the window.) Thanks for reminding me Krsnendu. This is something I also wanted. I should be able to put this in the next version out this summer. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jul 5 16:52:18 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:52:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation Profile In-Reply-To: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> References: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183654338.22864.168.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 10:12 -0600, Mark Trimble wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if K12LTSP offers a "Workstation" profile; meaning users > log in to the server and have a central location for storage and desktop > settings, but run all applications locally? Not by default as there are too many variables on the server end. But it is easy enough to do with a bit of planning and some environment setup with scripting. By default, all users have their own home directory. Physically where that space is is up to the design of the installation. It can be on the same machine as the application server or another machine elsewhere. Running apps locally is a different issue entirely. Currently in LTSP a "local app" means a process (and all of its environment) runs on the machine the user is touching and the display bits are fed back to the server, integrated into the user screen and then turned back around to the user for viewing. A different method is to use all local processes. This requires a solid network as every application is physically stored on the server and the client downloads what they need when they need it. > > Regards, > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 16:52:57 2007 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:52:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation Profile In-Reply-To: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> References: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: The very short answer is yes, but... The LTSP in K12LTSP means that the machines the students are using are being run from the server, and not locally. All the profiles are stored on the server, as well as the home directories. What you describe here is one of many ways that any Linux distribution can be configured to work on a stand-alone workstation machine, where users authenticate off of a remote server, home directories can be on a remote server, but the computer itself actually runs the applications. This requires machines capable of handling the local apps. LTSP is more geared towards having one good machine for the LTSP server, and many crappy machines to act as terminals. There is a default setting that gets applied to all new users. Furthermore, if a student does something to "break" their desktop or menu, it only requires a single folder be deleted from their profile, and they will get the default settings back. I hope this answers your question. Eric On 7/5/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if K12LTSP offers a "Workstation" profile; meaning users > log in to the server and have a central location for storage and desktop > settings, but run all applications locally? > > Regards, > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 5 16:56:42 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:56:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707031507.10321.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D22CA.5000602@futuresource.com> john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. Yes, I use it myself with the client taking one monitor of a dual-headed windows XP box at work and can suspend the session and pick it up from a mac client at home, and I've recently set up several other users with similar access. I suspect it will be our most popular way of using Linux. If you are starting with k12ltsp, just 'yum install freenx' and then the only tricky part is getting the /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key file imported into the NX client. You'll have to work out a way to distribute that file. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From matrimble at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 17:59:45 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:59:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation Profile In-Reply-To: References: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D3191.6070508@gmail.com> Thanks Eric & James! I just wanted to be able to assure my "power" users that in switching to K12LTSP they will be able to benefit from centralized storage and portable desktop profiles while still being able to install and run their own mix of applications. Regards, Mark Eric Brown wrote: > The very short answer is yes, but... > > The LTSP in K12LTSP means that the machines the students are using are > being run from the server, and not locally. All the profiles are > stored on the server, as well as the home directories. > > What you describe here is one of many ways that any Linux distribution > can be configured to work on a stand-alone workstation machine, where > users authenticate off of a remote server, home directories can be on > a remote server, but the computer itself actually runs the > applications. This requires machines capable of handling the local > apps. LTSP is more geared towards having one good machine for the > LTSP server, and many crappy machines to act as terminals. > > There is a default setting that gets applied to all new users. > Furthermore, if a student does something to "break" their desktop or > menu, it only requires a single folder be deleted from their profile, > and they will get the default settings back. > > I hope this answers your question. > > Eric > > On 7/5/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering if K12LTSP offers a "Workstation" profile; meaning users >> log in to the server and have a central location for storage and desktop >> settings, but run all applications locally? >> >> Regards, >> Mark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cgrossko at wusd.org Thu Jul 5 19:02:38 2007 From: cgrossko at wusd.org (Cody Grosskopf) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:02:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature Message-ID: <468CDDDE020000BC000054B7@wusdweb.wusd.org> Our school also uses No Machine to give teachers access from home, and it works great! It is a great product! >>> Les Mikesell 07/05/07 9:56 AM >>> john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. Yes, I use it myself with the client taking one monitor of a dual-headed windows XP box at work and can suspend the session and pick it up from a mac client at home, and I've recently set up several other users with similar access. I suspect it will be our most popular way of using Linux. If you are starting with k12ltsp, just 'yum install freenx' and then the only tricky part is getting the /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key file imported into the NX client. You'll have to work out a way to distribute that file. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 19:36:42 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:36:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new principal ... wants new feature In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <468CDA5E.9080004@peopleplaces.org> <2be970b50707050834p3a030376ic8396af8b1ec3c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707051536.42760.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 05 July 2007 11:34, john wrote: > I'll chime in here, merely to ask is ANYONE using freenx or nomachine > successfully? The only place I've ever seen it work is on the > nomachine website. > > John > I use it to NX to log into my home computer from remote locations. I am using the free NX server from Nomachine and their free desktop client (both Linux and Windows). I have also used freenx with the same client. So, while I haven't done an extensive deployment I can say it works. > On 7/5/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > I've had it working once, but newer, non-beta versions don't seem to > > work at all. That is the killer app that ties this all together, in my > > opinion. Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Win98, at least with any > > that I have tried. I've considered going the $200 one-time-support option > > from NX just to get this working correctly, though I'm sure they'll tell > > me it's in my java configuration. > > -Michael > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Has anyone go the web interface for nx working? Would be a fantastic > > feature. > > > > On 04/07/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > That they have 2003Server at the old school is my suspicion. I'll go > > > > check out the SSLexplorer and see what I can do. > > > > > I thought I had my hands full re-figuring out how to make smbldap work > > > on > > > > my fat client edubuntu workstations and ubuntu server. This adds fuel to > > the fire -- I only have 6 weeks til school starts. Yikes! If I had no > > other clients, it wouldn't be so bad. > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > kari > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 20:40:10 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:40:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up passwordless ssh access In-Reply-To: <46888576.8020700@arava.co.il> References: <46888576.8020700@arava.co.il> Message-ID: I have passwordless access from K12LTSP at school to my ubuntu box at home. No problem. But I still can get passwordless access from home to school I have followed all the advice given and it still doesn't work???? I have 2 k12ltsp servers in parallel, perhaps that has something to do with it? Anyway it is not essential. It seems in the process I have broken my nx private key settings. At present I can NX log into the secondary K12LTSP server and can access my /home directory, but I don't have root access to the file system on the main box from there. I can't log in to the main server as root or as myself. It says it is using public key authentication. This is the message that usually comes if you try to connect without importing the private key. The key on the client and the server seem to match. What is the process for regenerating the keys? Any other suggestions for how to fix this problem? On 02/07/07, Micha Silver wrote: > > Seth Hasani wrote: > > > On 6/15/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I have run ssh-keygen on my home Ubuntu computer. > >> Then I pasted the contents of id_rsa.pub into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > >> on the K12LTSP server. > >> > >> When I ssh in it still prompts me for my password. > > > > Makes sense because your client doesnt have the server's key but your > > server surely does have the client's key. The client needs the > > server's key to connect passwordless. (and all of that permissions > > stuff given in this thread has to be in place as well.) > > > I believe this is incorrect. You never need to create a key pair on a > server, only on the client computer that needs to connect to the server. > >> What else do have have to do so I don't have to enter my password > >> every time I ssh in? > > > 1- On your client computer create a key pair using: ssh-keygen -t dsa. > Do *not* enter a passphrase. > 2- Copy the contents of the file ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub from your client > computer (public half of the key) into the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > on the server. You can do this easily with scp. Or open a second > terminal and ssh (with password for now) into the server, then > copy/paste from the local file to the server using the mouse. > 3- Make sure permissions are correct. On the server > ~.ssh/authorized_keys must be read only for the user, i.e. chmod 0600 > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. > That should do it. > > Regards, > Micha > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arava Development Co, Sapir, Israel > tel: +972(8)-6592270 > cell: +972(52)-3665918 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 23:25:20 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:25:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up passwordless ssh access In-Reply-To: References: <46888576.8020700@arava.co.il> Message-ID: I just logged in without a password? Not sure what changed. Still can't log in to NX though. On 06/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I have passwordless access from K12LTSP at school to my ubuntu box at > home. No problem. > But I still can get passwordless access from home to school I have > followed all the advice given and it still doesn't work???? > I have 2 k12ltsp servers in parallel, perhaps that has something to do > with it? > > Anyway it is not essential. > > It seems in the process I have broken my nx private key settings. At > present I can NX log into the secondary K12LTSP server and can access my > /home directory, but I don't have root access to the file system on the main > box from there. I can't log in to the main server as root or as myself. It > says it is using public key authentication. This is the message that usually > comes if you try to connect without importing the private key. The key on > the client and the server seem to match. > > What is the process for regenerating the keys? Any other suggestions for > how to fix this problem? > > On 02/07/07, Micha Silver < micha at arava.co.il> wrote: > > > > Seth Hasani wrote: > > > > > On 6/15/07, Krsnendu dasa < krsnendu108 at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I have run ssh-keygen on my home Ubuntu computer. > > >> Then I pasted the contents of id_rsa.pub into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > >> on the K12LTSP server. > > >> > > >> When I ssh in it still prompts me for my password. > > > > > > Makes sense because your client doesnt have the server's key but your > > > server surely does have the client's key. The client needs the > > > server's key to connect passwordless. (and all of that permissions > > > stuff given in this thread has to be in place as well.) > > > > > I believe this is incorrect. You never need to create a key pair on a > > server, only on the client computer that needs to connect to the server. > > >> What else do have have to do so I don't have to enter my password > > >> every time I ssh in? > > > > > 1- On your client computer create a key pair using: ssh-keygen -t dsa. > > Do *not* enter a passphrase. > > 2- Copy the contents of the file ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub from your client > > computer (public half of the key) into the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > on the server. You can do this easily with scp. Or open a second > > terminal and ssh (with password for now) into the server, then > > copy/paste from the local file to the server using the mouse. > > 3- Make sure permissions are correct. On the server > > ~.ssh/authorized_keys must be read only for the user, i.e. chmod 0600 > > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. > > That should do it. > > > > Regards, > > Micha > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Arava Development Co, Sapir, Israel > > tel: +972(8)-6592270 > > cell: +972(52)-3665918 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Fri Jul 6 02:45:48 2007 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:45:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL & Abiword Message-ID: <6.39d9e4bee47f5ea3629b@bluetorch01> First off, let me say that 5.0EL rocks! It is way easy to install and configure. I've done 2 servers without a hitch. No sound tweaking, no missing PXE files, no issues! Keep up the good work! Second, I've gone totally brain dead and am showing my lack of knowledge by asking the following: In Version 5&6, Abiword is an option in the "Add/Remove Software" menu option. It doesn't show up anywhere in the 5.0EL though. I made the mistake of showing it to a couple of teachers and they're definitely interested in it (OK, I am too...). I can't figure out how to get installed. I went to the Abiword website and downloaded the latest version, but it kept giving me an "incorrect Unicode error". Anybody got some suggestions for a newbie. Thanks, guys! Ronnie Miller Technology Specialist Seminole County Schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AbiWord was removed with RHEL3 (so it's also not in CentOS 3 and newer) if I remember correctly, because they wanted to cut down on the number of text editors. I haven't found a third party repository yet that has abiword for current RHEL/CentOS versions (and I don't like installing software that's not managed by yum). Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to send the report to my current k12ltsp 6 box but got an error from the k12ltsp7 install-fail-handler (???) so I may need a little help to get the message. - The error happens regardless of whether I try to install the k12ltsp packages or just the desktop applications. Anything you would like me to try - just let me know! - gustav On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 14:54 +0300, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > just tried BETA5 and this crash still occurs :-( > I'm going to yum upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade... what ever "google" > recommends best > > On 7/2/07, Mella wrote: > this is totally different problem. > > You can try beta 5, but I guarantee same issue. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nadavkav at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 12:39:45 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:39:45 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re:] K12LTSP 7.0 crash on install In-Reply-To: <1183719920.17015.11.camel@howick.ltsp> References: <46889F5F.1030505@pm.ee> <4219988b0707030454h200a3e36h75b4311a3112d96@mail.gmail.com> <1183719920.17015.11.camel@howick.ltsp> Message-ID: <4219988b0707060539s163c65aau6f623775a5f65b45@mail.gmail.com> i got the same results as gustav so I've decided to upgrade with "apt-get dist-upgrade" (yum complained on too many missing updated packages, so i had to let it reset for now :-) it took two days to download and half an hour to install, smoothly :-) after reboot i copied all the old /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc.fc6 settings from the old file to the newly installed /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc . and that was that :-) of course some other minor configuration changes with some other newly installed packages, especially if you changed squid and samba... but really minor changes, nothing worth mentioning. EXCEPT !!! their is a kdm bug in KDE version 3.5.7 that is out there in all's KDE, Ubuntu and Fedora Forums regarding the issue of being unable to remote log in kdm from a terminal machine. so be were, until this issue is resolved, this upgrade is problematic for us LTSP folks. On 7/6/07, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > Beta 5 also crashes on my ThinkPad X31. > > - Stock F7 installs without a hitch > > - Beta5 gets as far as formatting the disk but runs into an "exception > error" when transferring the boot image. There is an option to send an > error report via scp which I am happy to do if anyone wants to see it. > I tried to send the report to my current k12ltsp 6 box but got an error > from the k12ltsp7 install-fail-handler (???) so I may need a little help > to get the message. > > - The error happens regardless of whether I try to install the k12ltsp > packages or just the desktop applications. > > Anything you would like me to try - just let me know! > > - gustav > > On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 14:54 +0300, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > just tried BETA5 and this crash still occurs :-( > > I'm going to yum upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade... what ever "google" > > recommends best > > > > On 7/2/07, Mella wrote: > > this is totally different problem. > > > > You can try beta 5, but I guarantee same issue. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mellax at pm.ee Fri Jul 6 12:49:50 2007 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:49:50 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP7BETA5 IceWM no desktop. Message-ID: <468E3A6E.3060801@pm.ee> Hello! If i log into IceWM, desktop is clear. Ok, I tried start kdesktop or xfdesktop. Started OK, but i cannot log out terminal before manually stopped desktop app. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Jul 6 13:23:25 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:23:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> <20070702213439.GA14126@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <468E424D.6040906@scheie.homedns.org> You may have solved this problem by now--sorry, I'm a little behind in my mail--but I recall a similar problem a year or so ago. It was produced by conflicts between two different repos, something like freshrpms and livna. They both had IceWM packages but one's had a dependency that that the other's didn't but yum was confused by that clash and was looking for the dependency in the wrong repo. Turning off one of the repos (temporarily) avoided the problem (there's a commandline option for ignoring a repo that I can never remember). Check the list archives. Peter Nils Breunese wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 04:24:42PM +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: >>> Rob Owens wrote: >>> >>>> Eric has the rpmforge repo disabled by default. You can edit >>>> k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo to include "enabled=1" >>> >>> Ah, I see now. I'm probably just too used to installing the rpmforge- >>> release package myself. >>> >>> After removing the rpmforge-release package and just enabling the >>> repo in k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo I ran yum update, but this failed with: >>> >>> --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) for package: icewm >>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>> Error: Missing Dependency: libImlib.so.1()(64bit) is needed by >>> package icewm >>> >>> We don't use IceWM, but it came with the default install settings. Is >>> this something to report to rpmforge? I know I can just exclude or >>> remove the icewm package. >> >> I don't know what's causing that. I haven't seen that error on my >> server. Maybe it's a conflict resulting from your having both >> rpmforge.repo and k12ltsp-rpmforge.repo enabled previously? When I was >> having weird yum trouble, Eric suggested a "yum clean all" and that >> fixed it. Maybe give that a try. > > I already tried that, but the problem still occurs. The currently > installed package is icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 and yum tries to > upgrade to icewm-1.2.30-1.el5.rf, but fails because of the dependency > error. > > The dependency is provided by imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6. rpmforge has > 1.9.13-1.el5.rf in the repository. The problem is probably that the > rpmforge icewm package needs rpmforge's imlib package and that the > k12ltsp icewm package needs the fc6 imlib package. > > Has anyone else run a succesful yum update on K12LTSP 5EL while having > icewm installed and rpmforge enabled? Are you running 1.2.28 from > K12LTSP or 1.2.30 from rpmforge? > > I could force rpmforge's imlib onto my system and upgrade to rpmforge's > icewm package, but then yum update would probably give me a similar > dependency problem with imlib. > > I guess I'll just remove the icewm package, since we're not using IceWM > anyway. > > Nils Breunese. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 6 13:54:36 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:54:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing size of teachertool broadcast window. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070706135216.M26444@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:40:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote > On 7/5/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I was doing a demo for a group of teacher the other day and I found the > > 640x800 window too small. Is there a way to make it a bigger size, full > > screen or even resizable? > > (In NX if you log in in windowed mode and click the maximize window button, > > the whole desktop resizes to fit the window.) > > Thanks for reminding me Krsnendu. This is something I also wanted. I > should be able to put this in the next version out this summer. Could we also get TeacherTool working in Edubuntu Feisty with LTSP5? Just kidding Robert :-) I just wish it worked there, the Student Control Panel is junk compared to TeacherTool. About all I can do with it is see who is running what processes. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 6 14:10:13 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:10:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Workstation Profile In-Reply-To: References: <468D1882.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070706135802.M23954@winonacotter.org> > > I was wondering if K12LTSP offers a "Workstation" profile; meaning users > > log in to the server and have a central location for storage and desktop > > settings, but run all applications locally? To do what you want, you don't want K12LTSP. You need local workstation installs, with an NFS mounted /home from the server and also run LDAP on the server for central user authentication. This will give you central storage and user account management, but still run full local workstations. If you wanted you could probably setup diskless remote booting if you wanted to also centralize your workstation images. I haven't tried that yet but will be looking into it shortly. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 6 14:36:52 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:36:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to k12ltsp.howtoz.net? Message-ID: <20070706143524.M89141@winonacotter.org> If I remember right Gavin Spurgeon used to have the "Unofficial" k12ltsp.howtoz.net website with some really nice tutorials on it. Anyone know what happened to that? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 6 15:01:52 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:01:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL & Abiword In-Reply-To: <3BB29A86-B35E-4CFE-A3DD-AD3956F6D34F@breun.nl> References: <6.39d9e4bee47f5ea3629b@bluetorch01> <3BB29A86-B35E-4CFE-A3DD-AD3956F6D34F@breun.nl> Message-ID: <994441ae0707060801tf0b4d67jfbe6195fb5a6c1c1@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > Ronnie Miller wrote: > > > Second, I've gone totally brain dead and am showing my lack of > > knowledge by asking the following: > > > > In Version 5&6, Abiword is an option in the "Add/Remove Software" > > menu option. It doesn't show up anywhere in the 5.0EL though. I > > made the mistake of showing it to a couple of teachers and they're > > definitely interested in it (OK, I am too...). I can't figure out > > how to get installed. I went to the Abiword website and downloaded > > the latest version, but it kept giving me an "incorrect Unicode > > error". Anybody got some suggestions for a newbie. > > AbiWord was removed with RHEL3 (so it's also not in CentOS 3 and > newer) if I remember correctly, because they wanted to cut down on > the number of text editors. I haven't found a third party repository > yet that has abiword for current RHEL/CentOS versions (and I don't > like installing software that's not managed by yum). Given how similar RHEL5 and FC6 are, you could probably get away with grabbing the FC6 RPM, assuming there aren't any weird dependencies (fribidi?) not available in RHEL5. But yeah, like Nils said, software outside a managed repo can be a pain. http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/6/i386/abiword-2.4.6-1.fc6.i386.rpm -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 6 15:12:46 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:12:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 EL In-Reply-To: <468E424D.6040906@scheie.homedns.org> References: <1183347802.3297.176.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070702140303.GA13111@clubber.owens.net> <20070702213439.GA14126@clubber.owens.net> <468E424D.6040906@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <994441ae0707060812q4b223bf7y504f91099540de21@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > (there's a > commandline option for ignoring a repo that I can never remember). > Check the list archives. yum --disablerepo=foo install bar -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jul 6 15:21:46 2007 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:21:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to k12ltsp.howtoz.net? In-Reply-To: <20070706143524.M89141@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 6/7/07 15:36, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > If I remember right Gavin Spurgeon used to have the "Unofficial" > k12ltsp.howtoz.net > website with some really nice tutorials on it. Anyone know what happened to > that? I will put the site back up in the next few days.. I didn't think that many people used it.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Systems Administrator Leigh City Technology College gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620501 Fax: 01322 620599 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 16:31:47 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:31:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] changing size of teachertool broadcast window. In-Reply-To: <20070706135216.M26444@winonacotter.org> References: <20070706135216.M26444@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 7/6/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Could we also get TeacherTool working in Edubuntu Feisty with LTSP5? > > Just kidding Robert :-) I just wish it worked there, the Student Control Panel This might happen. I am going to write a version for Kamloops (they use diskless 100% local apps). I think LTSP5 should be similar. I don't want to promise but if I have time I'll do it. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jul 6 18:42:35 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:42:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] fc6 and webmin problem Message-ID: <60777.216.24.126.67.1183747355.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, I've searched the archives here and Googled. Has anyone had trouble getting fc6 and latest version of Webmin ( 1.350) getting to open. Webmin appears to be running,by doing a " ps aux | grep webmin" , as well as looking in "services" it shows as running, but when i do https://localhost:10000 I get "unable to connect". Nothing at all appears in the log files pertianing to Webmin failing to open up? BTW: This is my first install of FC6. Thanks, Barry Cisna From k12osn at deltacfax.com Fri Jul 6 18:46:10 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:46:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fc6 and webmin problem In-Reply-To: <60777.216.24.126.67.1183747355.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <60777.216.24.126.67.1183747355.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <468E8DF2.1000905@deltacfax.com> You might check your local firewall to ensure that port isn't being blocked. -tim Barry Cisna wrote: >Hello All, > >I've searched the archives here and Googled. Has anyone had trouble >getting fc6 and latest version of Webmin ( 1.350) getting to open. Webmin >appears to be running,by doing a " ps aux | grep webmin" , as well as >looking in "services" it shows as running, but when i do >https://localhost:10000 I get "unable to connect". Nothing at all appears >in the log files pertianing to Webmin failing to open up? >BTW: This is my first install of FC6. > > >Thanks, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Jul 6 19:03:48 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:03:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] fc6 and webmin problem Message-ID: <20070706120348.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efe322ff69.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know what > happened to > > that? > > I will put the site back up in the next few days.. > I didn't think that many people used it.. > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Systems Administrator > Leigh City Technology College > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620501 > Fax: 01322 620599 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, > and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 6 21:15:15 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:15:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to k12ltsp.howtoz.net? In-Reply-To: References: <20070706143524.M89141@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070706211335.M88851@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:21:46 +0100, Gavin Spurgeon wrote > On 6/7/07 15:36, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > > > If I remember right Gavin Spurgeon used to have the "Unofficial" > > k12ltsp.howtoz.net > > website with some really nice tutorials on it. Anyone know what happened to > > that? > > I will put the site back up in the next few days.. > I didn't think that many people used it.. > Thanks. Not a big deal, I just was going to reference the part for running applications over ssh from another machine. I thought your tutorials were done real nice for that sort of thing. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 6 21:24:31 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:24:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to k12ltsp.howtoz.net? In-Reply-To: References: <20070706143524.M89141@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070706212317.M22046@winonacotter.org> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:10:01 +1200, Krsnendu dasa wrote > If you need it right away try the internet archive. Wow, cool! I have never seen www.webarchive.org before. I went there, entered k12ltsp.howtoz.net and was able to find the pages. A few of the images are broken but I was able to see most of it. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From don at myfam.com Sat Jul 7 12:48:00 2007 From: don at myfam.com (Don Gould) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 06:48:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help Message-ID: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> To anyone listening, I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. What I have : 30 computers in the lab 24 stand alone 6 networked internet machines all are windows 98, 2000 or ME 9 printers 4 of which work I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your help. In desperate straights Don Gould Hollandale Christian School From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 13:41:17 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:41:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> References: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> Message-ID: <200707070941.17571.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Saturday 07 July 2007 08:48, Don Gould wrote: > To anyone listening, > > I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been > to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. > What I have : > > 30 computers in the lab > 24 stand alone > 6 networked internet machines > all are windows 98, 2000 or ME > 9 printers 4 of which work > > I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need > in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I > will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my > windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server > software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I > plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs > if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even > know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your > help. > > In desperate straights > > Don Gould > Hollandale Christian School > The good news is that you won't need any Windows server software to network your stand-alone Windows workstations. You can use Samba on Linux as a Domain Controller for a Windows NT-style Domain. The easiest way to do this is to use the "smbldap-installer" scripts by Matt Oquist and David Trask: http://majen.net/smbldap/ The server that runs Samba can be your print server for Mac, Windows and Linux clients. The rest of your queries need a little more information. Are you intending to dual-boot the workstations? If so will they be stand-alone Linux/Windows stations or Windows/terminal with LTSP? Or, are you going to stick with Windows and just use OSS applications? If you are sticking with Windows, can you update any or all of them to Windows 2000 (at least)? Win98 and ME are not the best platform for networking (to say the least). In any case, start with a hardware inventory for each machine that includes: - CPU type and clockrate - installed RAM - Hard drive capacity - Ethernet NIC make/model - Video card and monitor type If all systems are identical that is a good thing, but I suspect that you have several configurations. The capabilites of the system is limited by CPU/RAM/disk. Make sure these systems are up to your needs. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jul 7 13:50:36 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:50:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> References: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> Message-ID: <20070707135036.GA16809@clubber.owens.net> Printing from the windows machines through the Linux server will be no problem, as long as you're using a Linux-supported printer. Most are, but there are some exceptions. Could you post the make and model numbers? Sizing the server will depend on how many thin clients you plan on running, and I'm not sure of that number based on your description. (Thin clients are the machines that will be booting over the network -- not using their local hard drive). Where are you located? There might be someone on this list who lives nearby and would be willing to help out. -Rob On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 06:48:00AM -0600, Don Gould wrote: > To anyone listening, > > I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been > to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. > What I have : > > 30 computers in the lab > 24 stand alone > 6 networked internet machines > all are windows 98, 2000 or ME > 9 printers 4 of which work > > I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need > in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I > will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my > windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server > software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I > plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs > if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even > know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your > help. > > In desperate straights > > Don Gould > Hollandale Christian School > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From don at myfam.com Sat Jul 7 15:16:26 2007 From: don at myfam.com (Don Gould) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:16:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help Message-ID: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> The school is located in Hollandale, MN located 7 miles east of I-35 and 18 miles north of the Iowa border. I plan to dual boot all of my thin clients so to start there will be at least 24 possibly all 30. If this works well I might add as many 5 more for a total of 35. I'm hoping to boot Linux off of 3.5 disks on each machine. All of the machines are different as they are all used computers. The most advance process I will be running is the K12 version of Power Point. Thanks Don ---- Original Message ---- From: rowens at ptd.net To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Need Help Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:50:36 -0400 >Printing from the windows machines through the Linux server will be >no >problem, as long as you're using a Linux-supported printer. Most >are, >but there are some exceptions. Could you post the make and model >numbers? > >Sizing the server will depend on how many thin clients you plan on >running, and I'm not sure of that number based on your description. >(Thin clients are the machines that will be booting over the network >-- >not using their local hard drive). > >Where are you located? There might be someone on this list who lives >nearby and would be willing to help out. > >-Rob > >On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 06:48:00AM -0600, Don Gould wrote: >> To anyone listening, >> >> I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been >> to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. >> What I have : >> >> 30 computers in the lab >> 24 stand alone >> 6 networked internet machines >> all are windows 98, 2000 or ME >> 9 printers 4 of which work >> >> I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I >need >> in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But >I >> will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my >> windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server >> software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I >> plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing >needs >> if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont >even >> know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your >> help. >> >> In desperate straights >> >> Don Gould >> Hollandale Christian School >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 15:26:56 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:56:56 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> References: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> Message-ID: <774593a20707070826s3e044481mfda44f1ea58f0ee@mail.gmail.com> On 07/07/07, Don Gould wrote: > The school is located in Hollandale, MN located 7 miles east of I-35 > and 18 miles north of the Iowa border. > > I plan to dual boot all of my thin clients so to start there will be > at least 24 possibly all 30. If this works well I might add as many > 5 more for a total of 35. I'm hoping to boot Linux off of 3.5 disks > on each machine. All of the machines are different as they are all > used computers. The most advance process I will be running is the > K12 version of Power Point. Hi Don. Could do with in line or bottom posting. I would advise against floppy boot. Not that it can not work only floppy tend to wear out or the drives need care. Why not just add a ROM module on the network cards and you are booting off the net. When you old machines, how old? Lot of machines from about 1998/99 started having PXE boot option in BIOS and in such case you do not even need the ROM module. (See site www.rom-o-matic.org and www.ltsp.org ) for details on ROM modules. I would say a server with 4GB memory and atleast one SCSI drive and two network cards is your answer. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jul 7 15:48:00 2007 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> References: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> Message-ID: <20070707114800.7debbee5@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:16:26 -0600 "Don Gould" wrote: > The school is located in Hollandale, MN located 7 miles east of I-35 > and 18 miles north of the Iowa border. > > I plan to dual boot all of my thin clients so to start there will be > at least 24 possibly all 30. If this works well I might add as many > 5 more for a total of 35. I'm hoping to boot Linux off of 3.5 disks > on each machine. All of the machines are different as they are all > used computers. The most advance process I will be running is the > K12 version of Power Point. > > Thanks > > Don > I had a similar set up for a while -- 5 "thin clients" that were really Windows 9x machines. They were thin clients when booting from the floppy (used the Etherboot Universal Boot Floppy) and Windows machines when booting from the hard drive. I had a box of floppies all with the UBF image on them (since they tended to disappear, break, etc). Couple of things to remember -- Since you have a mix of hardware, you will prob have to have an individual entry in the lts.conf file for each one. Find the most common aspects and go with that (ie. all use PS2 mice, all use Model XYZ mice, etc) and put that into the common config area. If you are not already standardized in that area, the extra money to standardize might be worth it. Then in the individual config sections, you would only have to worry about video card/monitor. If you have individual configs, you will probable have to assign the IP addresses. You can use the K12 servers DHCP to do it. Just get the mac addresses of each box. Just remember that since you have ~24 different systems, this is not going to be "a walk in the park" as far as conf setups. It will most likely take some time to get them all up and running 100%. But once there, the only time you will return to the issue is when some hardware breaks. Keep good notes :-) -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jul 7 23:19:06 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:19:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> References: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> Message-ID: <20070707231906.GA17522@clubber.owens.net> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 09:16:26AM -0600, Don Gould wrote: > I'm hoping to boot Linux off of 3.5 disks > on each machine. You could also try booting off a CD. I find it's quicker than booting from the floppy (due to the increased read speed), and it might even be cheaper. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496&release_id=190646 -Rob From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 7 23:27:36 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:27:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> References: <380-2200776712480644@myfam.com> Message-ID: <46902168.2050809@cmosnetworks.com> Don Gould wrote: > To anyone listening, > > I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been > to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. > What I have : > > 30 computers in the lab > 24 stand alone > 6 networked internet machines > all are windows 98, 2000 or ME > 9 printers 4 of which work > > I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need > in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I > will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my > windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server > software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I > plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs > if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even > know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your > help. > > In desperate straights > > Don Gould > Hollandale Christian School > Others have commented on the clients, so I figured I'd chime in on the server. For 30 clients, I'd recommend at least a dual-processor box. If you can get, say, a couple of dual-core AMD Opterons or dual-core Intel Xeons (the "Core 2 Duo" variety), then do so. For DRAM, I'd suggest--at a minimum--4GB, and if you can afford more, then go for it. Your server should have Gigabit Ethernet on the interface that faces the clients. It's nice to have Gig-E on both sides, but the client-facing one is most important. As for hard disk storage, RAID 5 is my preference. If you can afford SCSI RAID 5, then that's the best, but SCSI RAID is not cheap. If money's an issue, then I have built a SATA RAID 5 that performs quite nicely indeed. I used five 200GB disks and an LSI MegaRAID 150-6 controller for mine. So, in a nutshell, here are my recommended server specs: Processor: two dual-core CPU's, 1.8GHz if Opterons, 1.6GHz if Core 2 Duo's Memory: 4GB minimum (more is better) Network: Gig-E for eth0, 100Mb or more for eth1 Storage: Hardware-based RAID 5, preferably SCSI, but SATA is acceptable Video: Doesn't matter; this can be junk Sound: Doesn't matter; this can be junk You might give Penguin Computing a call and tell 'em what you want to do. They've been building GNU/Linux server boxes for years now and are quite good at it. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 7 23:32:30 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:32:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <20070707231906.GA17522@clubber.owens.net> References: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> <20070707231906.GA17522@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <4690228E.3090905@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 09:16:26AM -0600, Don Gould wrote: > >> I'm hoping to boot Linux off of 3.5 disks >> on each machine. >> > > You could also try booting off a CD. I find it's quicker than booting > from the floppy (due to the increased read speed), and it might even be > cheaper. > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496&release_id=190646 > > -Rob > > > Actually, booting off the CD isn't going to affect speed very much at all. The reason is that the EtherBoot file is so small--32KB to 36KB--that it'll take as much time for the CD to spin up as it would to read that little file from a floppy. Now, hard disk, that's a different story. But even then, the file's so small that--fortunately--it doesn't matter that much. Also remember, once the EtherBoot image is loaded, you're then TFTP-booting across the network. The floppy's out of the picture at that point. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.pogson at gmail.com Sun Jul 8 00:39:53 2007 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:39:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> This is a realistic scenario. We are faced with a problem on an unknown battlefield. How to survive? 1) Re-think the need to keep some/any of that other OS ('98, 2000, ME). If the need to keep is due to fear and uncertainty, it might be better to keep one or two working as usual and incorporate them later if, as I did, you find Linux meets all needs. Are these machines properly licensed? Do you have installation CDs for them? If you have any doubts about these last two questions, you should not hesitate to wipe the hard drives. You do not need the aggravation of tens of thousands of bugs, licence issues, lack of suport, and so on. 2)Try to visit each machine with a live CD like KNOPPIX ( http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ). cat/proc/cpuinfo free lspci ifconfig ethtool eth0 will tell you much. You may find it useful to record the data. The MAC/hardware address may be useful for configuring DHCP. 3)Study your RAM/CPU speed. You may have enough MIPS on a few machines to run an LTSP server as a cluster of a few machines. Instead of buying/building a new server, you could save hardware dollars and increase reliability by have two or three lesser servers. Management will be a bit more complicated, but learning is fun, right? You likely want 100 MHz per client and 50 MB per client plus about 512MB extra memory on each "server". If you find some candidates for servers, run memtest86 on them and check memory bandwidth. Some Celerons and the like have pretty good specs but memory bandwidth is incredibly low. A good server is something like AMD64 X2 3800 with 1MB cache so look for machines with 1000MHz or better and at least 256MB caches. DDR400 memory would be fast enough for your setup, 3 gB/s memory bandwidth. If you can get a few machines that total up to something like that, upgrade them by adding RAM and perhaps a gigabit/s NIC. That will be cheaper than buying a good server. You can use the saving to buy a network switch with some gigabit ports. Otherwise, a suitable server would likely cost over $1000. Using a cluster IN the lab is a bit risky. You may need to cover the power/reset switches and place reminder signs to leave them on. If you can delay buying the server, you will end with a better system because performance/$ keeps improving. 4)If you must obtain a new server, please, check out the manual including all specs and motherboard flowchart to be certain of hardware compatibility and absence of bottlenecks. For example, a 32bit system may look like it has the specs you need but you may find a gigabit/s NIC on a PCI bus uses all the bandwidth and there is no more for hard drives. Many AMD64 motherboards I have studied appear to be able to run CPU/memory/a bunch of drives/a couple of gbit/s NIC at nearly full speed all day long, which really helps a LTSP server be snappy. Fortunately, competition between Intel and AMD is intense so great prices abound. Dual core/dual processor is a huge advantage with LTSP because there are plenty of processes to go around to each core/processor. Last year, I bought AMD64 X2 3800 for $200 CDN. This year, it is less than $100 CDN. Good timing! You can also buy much faster processors. I have always built my new servers so I can be sure what is in there. 5)Please use gigabit/s cat 6 networking for all servers. One gigabit/s line can easily handle your lab. 100 mb/s can too, but you, and your users will know when things get busy. Gigabit to 100 mbit switches are pretty cheap these days. 6)Please use RAID 1 on your server. This is slower for writes (installation and saving files) but allows simultaneous seeks for simultaneous users/pocesses. Hard drives are about 25 cents a gB for 500 gB. 7)Around 1999 many PCs began to have NICs on the motherboard. On some of these, you can press F8 to bring up a boot menu giving an option of PXE/network booting from your server or booting from the hard drive. You would not even need to install a boot loader to use that, if you posted signs by each computer. Unfortunately, if you have '98, you are in that time range where things changed. You can install a boot loader on the MBR, but it would be easy to mess up your booting of that other OS. Do not forget booting from the CD. You could have CDs hanging on the wall which would boot from your server. CDs are much more reliable than floppies. Whatever the boot medium, you need a driver for every NIC in your place. If you happen to not have a driver, you will need to install an additonal NIC. 8)If you can blow away that other OS, you have more options: installing a bootloader on the hard drive, installing a minimal system (+ x-window-system and gdm) and connecting via X to the server, or installing a complete Linux distro with the option to connect via X to the server from the GNOME menu, and dual-booting (please, don't inflict that other OS on your students). Good luck. I would be glad to help, but I am 500 miles away. Robert Pogson On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > "Don Gould" > Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <380-2200776712480644 at myfam.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > To anyone listening, > > I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been > to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. > What I have : > > 30 computers in the lab > 24 stand alone > 6 networked internet machines > all are windows 98, 2000 or ME > 9 printers 4 of which work > > I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need > in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I > will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my > windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server > software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I > plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs > if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even > know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your > help. > > In desperate straights > > Don Gould > Hollandale Christian School > -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Sun Jul 8 12:24:23 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:24:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <4690228E.3090905@cmosnetworks.com> References: <380-22007767151626590@myfam.com> <20070707231906.GA17522@clubber.owens.net> <4690228E.3090905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20070708122423.GA18583@clubber.owens.net> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 07:32:30PM -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Actually, booting off the CD isn't going to affect speed very much at > all. The reason is that the EtherBoot file is so small--32KB to > 36KB--that it'll take as much time for the CD to spin up as it would to > read that little file from a floppy. Now, hard disk, that's a different > story. But even then, the file's so small that--fortunately--it doesn't > matter that much. > > Also remember, once the EtherBoot image is loaded, you're then > TFTP-booting across the network. The floppy's out of the picture at > that point. > > --TP When it takes the LTSP system about 35 seconds to boot up, I consider a few seconds of time savings in reading the Etherboot file to be significant. Admittedly, I've never timed the difference between a boot floppy and a boot CD, but I just recently started using CDs and I perceive it to be significantly faster (a few seconds, I'd say). On the machines I've tested, the CD barely even spins up. Maybe that's specific to my particular cd drives, or maybe it's because the Etherboot image is so small--it's read before the cd spins up to full speed? I guess I'm gonna have to get out my stopwatch today... -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sun Jul 8 12:49:31 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:49:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> Message-ID: <20070708124931.GB18583@clubber.owens.net> Regarding the server, here's a link to a thread where I describe the latest server I purchased. It's a desktop-class machine, pretty highly spec'd, and it cost $700. https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-May/msg00026.html -Rob On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 07:39:53PM -0500, pogson wrote: > This is a realistic scenario. We are faced with a problem on an unknown > battlefield. How to survive? > > 1) Re-think the need to keep some/any of that other OS ('98, 2000, ME). > If the need to keep is due to fear and uncertainty, it might be better > to keep one or two working as usual and incorporate them later if, as I > did, you find Linux meets all needs. Are these machines properly > licensed? Do you have installation CDs for them? If you have any doubts > about these last two questions, you should not hesitate to wipe the hard > drives. You do not need the aggravation of tens of thousands of bugs, > licence issues, lack of suport, and so on. > > 2)Try to visit each machine with a live CD like KNOPPIX > ( http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ). > cat/proc/cpuinfo > free > lspci > ifconfig > ethtool eth0 > will tell you much. You may find it useful to record the data. The > MAC/hardware address may be useful for configuring DHCP. > > 3)Study your RAM/CPU speed. You may have enough MIPS on a few machines > to run an LTSP server as a cluster of a few machines. Instead of > buying/building a new server, you could save hardware dollars and > increase reliability by have two or three lesser servers. Management > will be a bit more complicated, but learning is fun, right? You likely > want 100 MHz per client and 50 MB per client plus about 512MB extra > memory on each "server". If you find some candidates for servers, run > memtest86 on them and check memory bandwidth. Some Celerons and the like > have pretty good specs but memory bandwidth is incredibly low. A good > server is something like AMD64 X2 3800 with 1MB cache so look for > machines with 1000MHz or better and at least 256MB caches. DDR400 memory > would be fast enough for your setup, 3 gB/s memory bandwidth. If you can > get a few machines that total up to something like that, upgrade them by > adding RAM and perhaps a gigabit/s NIC. That will be cheaper than buying > a good server. You can use the saving to buy a network switch with some > gigabit ports. Otherwise, a suitable server would likely cost over > $1000. Using a cluster IN the lab is a bit risky. You may need to cover > the power/reset switches and place reminder signs to leave them on. If > you can delay buying the server, you will end with a better system > because performance/$ keeps improving. > > 4)If you must obtain a new server, please, check out the manual > including all specs and motherboard flowchart to be certain of hardware > compatibility and absence of bottlenecks. For example, a 32bit system > may look like it has the specs you need but you may find a gigabit/s NIC > on a PCI bus uses all the bandwidth and there is no more for hard > drives. Many AMD64 motherboards I have studied appear to be able to run > CPU/memory/a bunch of drives/a couple of gbit/s NIC at nearly full speed > all day long, which really helps a LTSP server be snappy. Fortunately, > competition between Intel and AMD is intense so great prices abound. > Dual core/dual processor is a huge advantage with LTSP because there are > plenty of processes to go around to each core/processor. Last year, I > bought AMD64 X2 3800 for $200 CDN. This year, it is less than $100 CDN. > Good timing! You can also buy much faster processors. I have always > built my new servers so I can be sure what is in there. > > 5)Please use gigabit/s cat 6 networking for all servers. One gigabit/s > line can easily handle your lab. 100 mb/s can too, but you, and your > users will know when things get busy. Gigabit to 100 mbit switches are > pretty cheap these days. > > 6)Please use RAID 1 on your server. This is slower for writes > (installation and saving files) but allows simultaneous seeks for > simultaneous users/pocesses. Hard drives are about 25 cents a gB for 500 > gB. > > 7)Around 1999 many PCs began to have NICs on the motherboard. On some of > these, you can press F8 to bring up a boot menu giving an option of > PXE/network booting from your server or booting from the hard drive. You > would not even need to install a boot loader to use that, if you posted > signs by each computer. Unfortunately, if you have '98, you are in that > time range where things changed. You can install a boot loader on the > MBR, but it would be easy to mess up your booting of that other OS. Do > not forget booting from the CD. You could have CDs hanging on the wall > which would boot from your server. CDs are much more reliable than > floppies. Whatever the boot medium, you need a driver for every NIC in > your place. If you happen to not have a driver, you will need to install > an additonal NIC. > > 8)If you can blow away that other OS, you have more options: installing > a bootloader on the hard drive, installing a minimal system (+ > x-window-system and gdm) and connecting via X to the server, or > installing a complete Linux distro with the option to connect via X to > the server from the GNOME menu, and dual-booting (please, don't inflict > that other OS on your students). > > Good luck. I would be glad to help, but I am 500 miles away. > > Robert Pogson > > On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > "Don Gould" > > Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <380-2200776712480644 at myfam.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > To anyone listening, > > > > I am the Technology guy at a small christian school and I have been > > to to seminars. I am ready to make the leap to K12osn. > > What I have : > > > > 30 computers in the lab > > 24 stand alone > > 6 networked internet machines > > all are windows 98, 2000 or ME > > 9 printers 4 of which work > > > > I need to get a server or build one. But I need to know what I need > > in the server. I nned to keep the win os for stand alone use. But I > > will netwok all the machines for K12. Will I be able to print my > > windows documents thru the server and do I also need win server > > software as well as K12? I will use the sever for the internet. I > > plan to get one or two netwok printer to serve all my printing needs > > if that will work. Feel free to answer all the question I dont even > > know I need to ask to get this started. Thanks in advance for your > > help. > > > > In desperate straights > > > > Don Gould > > Hollandale Christian School > > > > -- > A problem is an opportunity. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Jul 8 14:17:13 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:17:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] office suite interoperability Message-ID: <1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc each year in licensing. Thus enters OpenOffice.org What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at home so we can't use it". ????? It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default output format is Microsoft Office format. Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save As". But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant but Microsoft Office is not. Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world standards: http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like knowledge: good for everyone. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > home so we can't use it". > > ????? > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the > default > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge > workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save > As". > > But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to > Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. > > The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure > everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant > but Microsoft Office is not. > > Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current > world > standards: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like > knowledge: good for everyone. I totally agree, but it seems Microsoft Office Open XML (OOXML), which has nothing to do with OpenOffice.org by the way, is also on its way to become an ISO standard, so your standards argument might soon be wearing thin: Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I mention just creating pdf's directly with OO.org or StarOffice instead, it is like I have 3 heads or something because that is too complicated and is not the corect way. Oh well. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 7/8/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... > > It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a > few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST > have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc > each year in licensing. > > Thus enters OpenOffice.org > > What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > home so we can't use it". > > ????? > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge > workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save > As". > > But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to > Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. > > The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure > everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant > but Microsoft Office is not. > > Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world > standards: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like > knowledge: good for everyone. > > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Jul 8 14:55:07 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:55:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] office suite interoperability In-Reply-To: <1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4690FACB.5070107@elp.rr.com> The same mantra applies to other applications as well (why pick on Microsoft only?) Check http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 for a list of other apps that ought to be well known as well. Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso,TX -=o=- James P. Kinney III wrote: > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... > > It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a > few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST > have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc > each year in licensing. > > Thus enters OpenOffice.org > > What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > home so we can't use it". > > ????? > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge > workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save > As". > > But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to > Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. > > The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure > everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant > but Microsoft Office is not. > > Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world > standards: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like > knowledge: good for everyone. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Jul 8 15:18:14 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:18:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to k12ltsp.howtoz.net? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46910036.9060002@scheie.homedns.org> Gavin- Would you consider putting your how-to's into the k12ltsp wiki, just so they're in the same spot as the regular docs? I had put some links to them on the wiki a while back...somewhere, but they may not be there anymore (they may not have survived the migration to mediawiki). I, too, still refer to your how-to's regularly, and have been resorting to the wayback machine to find them. It be nice to be able to find them right on the wiki directly. Peter Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > On 6/7/07 15:36, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > >> If I remember right Gavin Spurgeon used to have the "Unofficial" >> k12ltsp.howtoz.net >> website with some really nice tutorials on it. Anyone know what happened to >> that? > > I will put the site back up in the next few days.. > I didn't think that many people used it.. > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Systems Administrator > Leigh City Technology College > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620501 > Fax: 01322 620599 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > From nils at breun.nl Sun Jul 8 15:14:01 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:14:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? Message-ID: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> Hello, I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have > any doubts about these last two questions, you should not hesitate to > wipe the hard drives. You do not need the aggravation of tens of > thousands of bugs, licence issues, lack of suport, and so on. > The licensing issue is an especially big deal. More schools have been extorted/blackmailed over this single issue than any other. You don't want to be on the receiving end of an audit compliance threat, let alone the actual audit. > 5)Please use gigabit/s cat 6 networking for all servers. One gigabit/s > line can easily handle your lab. 100 mb/s can too, but you, and your > users will know when things get busy. Gigabit to 100 mbit switches are > pretty cheap these days. > Actually, the copper Gig-E spec (802.3ab) calls for Cat 5. No, not Cat 5e--many people make that mistake--I mean the original Cat 5. Of course, anything beyond that, like Cat 5e or 6, will be just fine. My advice: check out what Cat 6 costs. If it's close to 5e's price tag, then sure, go with 6. If it's way more, then go w/ 5e. > 6)Please use RAID 1 on your server. This is slower for writes > (installation and saving files) but allows simultaneous seeks for > simultaneous users/pocesses. Hard drives are about 25 cents a gB for > 500 gB. > RAID 1 certainly works, but if he can afford it, RAID 5 will be even quicker due to more spindles. > Good luck. I would be glad to help, but I am 500 miles away. > And I'm even farther--about 1,500 miles--otherwise I'd be glad to jump in, too. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The bosses thought that was just amazing. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From nils at breun.nl Sun Jul 8 16:30:24 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:30:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 In-Reply-To: <45DB6062.2010406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45DB58FD.4080403@maltzen.net> <45DB6062.2010406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS >>>> formats--.doc, .xls, >>>> .ppt--when saving documents. I see the >>>> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh >>>> file, and >>>> I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users >>>> (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use to >>>> be an >>>> icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default >>>> during installation? Should the script still work? >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>> >>> >>> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format- >>> defaults.sh >>> should reset the defaults back to the MS formats. >>> >>> If a user changes their personal settings, it will over-ride the >>> defaults. You might try nuking a user's ~/.openoffice* directory >>> so that >>> they pick back up the default settings. >>> >> Removing the users ~/.openoffice* does fix it. Did the >> openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh previously run automatically or >> have I >> just forgotten that I ran it manually in the past? >> >> Thanks Eric. >> >> Petre > > The script runs automatically at install time. Updates can over-write > the changes. > > As far as I know, a user's setting will only over-ride the defaults if > the user manually changes their settings. I have a fresh K12LTSP 5EL install and my test user defaults to saving as .odt. I did run a 'yum update' after the installation which installed an OpenOffice.org update. Could the update have caused the defaults to reset, or did the script maybe not run at install time? I ran /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh again and nuked the test user's .openoffice.org2.0 directory, but Writer still defaults to saving as .odt. Is this a known issue? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The IT dept. of a "Microsoft shop" will, as I'm sure you already know, buck and kick and do everything to discredit you ("we already have enough work to do!"). That's why principal buy-in is so important. Superintendents, generally former teachers and principals themselves, naturally sympathize with fellow "members of the club." We all of course regularly hear, "but MS Office formats are the *real world* standard, regardless of what this foreign thing called 'ISO' says." They've got a point; MS Office file formats *are* the "real world" standard right now. What's needed, I think, is a legal reason or the threat of negative PR somehow. The only way I can think of to do that is by making the case in the poorer districts where not everyone can afford gobs of money to spend on MS Office ("so you're actually focusing only on the wealthy kids?"). Same for places where they really need to upgrade their computer labs from Pentium II-333's running Windows 98 but cannot afford to buy a bunch of new PC's. Money talks, and we know what walks. Now that Dell is selling Ubuntu PC's, we can use the argument of "a Big, Reputable PC Company (TM) has now embraced OpenOffice." Matter of fact, Michael Dell himself runs an Ubuntu Feisty laptop and makes no secret of that fact. Thoughts? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! James P. Kinney III wrote: > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... > > It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a > few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST > have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc > each year in licensing. > > Thus enters OpenOffice.org > > What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > home so we can't use it". > > ????? > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge > workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save > As". > > But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to > Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. > > The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure > everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant > but Microsoft Office is not. > > Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world > standards: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like > knowledge: good for everyone. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sun Jul 8 16:58:55 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:58:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] office suite interoperability In-Reply-To: <4691172C.1070507@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4691172C.1070507@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Agree with it all. I got the school director of NCS (a charter school) to buy into OpenOffice/StarOffice and the rest of the philosophy. He then announced to the teachers that he was using it, and it was the standard at the school. Haven't had any issues since. Now, if I could just get the school districts to give it a try. On 7/8/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > James, I agree with you. The best way to make that happen, I propose, is > to go after the principals. The teachers, to keep their jobs, will do > whatever the principal says do. IT departments, I've observed, are often > overridden by a principal's wishes (that's true in my district--principals > have a lot of pull). The IT dept. of a "Microsoft shop" will, as I'm sure > you already know, buck and kick and do everything to discredit you ("we > already have enough work to do!"). That's why principal buy-in is so > important. Superintendents, generally former teachers and principals > themselves, naturally sympathize with fellow "members of the club." > > We all of course regularly hear, "but MS Office formats are the *real > world* standard, regardless of what this foreign thing called 'ISO' says." > They've got a point; MS Office file formats *are* the "real world" standard > right now. What's needed, I think, is a legal reason or the threat of > negative PR somehow. The only way I can think of to do that is by making > the case in the poorer districts where not everyone can afford gobs of money > to spend on MS Office ("so you're actually focusing only on the wealthy > kids?"). Same for places where they really need to upgrade their computer > labs from Pentium II-333's running Windows 98 but cannot afford to buy a > bunch of new PC's. Money talks, and we know what walks. > > Now that Dell is selling Ubuntu PC's, we can use the argument of "a Big, > Reputable PC Company (TM) has now embraced OpenOffice." Matter of fact, > Michael Dell himself runs an Ubuntu Feisty laptop and makes no secret of > that fact. > > Thoughts? > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... > > It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a > few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST > have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc > each year in licensing. > > Thus enters OpenOffice.org > > What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > home so we can't use it". > > ????? > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. 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Has anyone looked at this book as a help in switching? http://www.amazon.com/OOoSwitch-Things-Switching-OpenOffice-org-Microsoft/dp/1930919360 -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From nils at breun.nl Sun Jul 8 17:58:58 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:58:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on K12LTSP 5EL In-Reply-To: <17C973E6-80D2-41D5-9169-C339EED2FF7C@breun.nl> References: <17C973E6-80D2-41D5-9169-C339EED2FF7C@breun.nl> Message-ID: <05991BC6-C849-4194-A5C8-4DCA7A62B772@breun.nl> Nils Breunese wrote: > I used the Install additional software -> Get Java method to > install Java on a fresh K12LTSP 5EL server. Though it's not the > latest version it seems to work fine on a console: > > $ java -version > java version "1.5.0_10" > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_10- > b03) > Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.5.0_10-b03, mixed mode) > > The browser plugin doesn't seem to be installed however, as all > Java applets in Firefox show the puzzle piece icon and tell me to > install a plugin. Is this a bug? Anything I can do to fix this? The fact that we run 64-bit (Flash is working with nspluginwrapper) might have something to do with this? Can Java work with nspluginwrapper or is 32-bit Firefox the only way? 'nspluginwrapper - v -a -u' doesn't get me Java in 64-bit Firefox and 'nspluginwrapper - i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so' tells me that file is not a valid NPAPI plugin. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. > > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." > > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? > > > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Common.xcu Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12466 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aimssda at cscoms.com Mon Jul 9 06:45:19 2007 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (edwardson) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:45:19 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] School Accounting Software In-Reply-To: <20070708160016.B8464730C4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070708160016.B8464730C4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4691D97F.7030307@cscoms.com> Hi, If there any open source accounting software that will be fit for school setting? Thanks for the suggestions in advance. Edward Thailand From timlegge at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 13:28:27 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:28:27 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services Message-ID: Hi What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the following: 1) Windows Server 2) Device/Client Cals for Windows 3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as the above is properly licensed. Anything else required? Tim From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 14:21:06 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:21:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > following: > > 1) Windows Server > 2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > 3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > the above is properly licensed. > > Anything else required? > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", otherwise the default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous users. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 9 15:33:18 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:33:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? In-Reply-To: <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> I use and like them as well. They are indeed close, but not quite exact. I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use OpenOffice.org). They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and actually complained! Reason? The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly in the same places (my printout vs. her screen display). They were close, but not exactly the same. Therefore, I decided on a little test. I then viewed the same document again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times New Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org exactly where they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003. She seemed to have a valid point at first. OK, let's continue testing, I thought. I fired up a Windows box w/ MS Word XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in each, using Times New Roman. Guess what? The paragraphs didn't land exactly where they had in MS Word 2003! Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000 had the paragraphs ending in slightly different places. So, I said to my MS Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word XP-using boss?" My colleague then got quiet. The test showed me two things. First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so compatible with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I didn't bother trying Word 97). Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't produce any layout changes greater than switching between different versions of Microsoft Word. A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to use MS Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant. Conclusion: the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to replace Times New Roman. Further, they are Free as in Freedom. I absolutely will continue to use them. I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts available, if only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft: WE WILL EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS. It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black Sea during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union. However, we should also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default typeface. If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > i second that :-) > > i use them too, and they are great! > i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the > corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts families. > it can be patched globally by editing the file: > /{where OO is > installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu > where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored. > > i'm attaching it. > > On 7/8/07, *Nils Breunese* > wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. > > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." > > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it > works great. 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From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 9 15:57:23 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:57:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 5 Local App Howto? In-Reply-To: <4677EF62.9050709@McQuil.com> References: <20070619144919.M15944@winonacotter.org> <4677EF62.9050709@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20070709153442.M38314@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:59:46 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote > Jim, > > "Installing" really is that easy. "running" is yet another problem. > There's no built-in support for local apps in LTSP-5 yet. > > You'll need to deal with how to make the users home directory available. > That's needed, so that the firefox prefs will be available to firefox. > > You'll also need to setup ssh-server to allow you to actually execute > something locally. I have set up LDAP on the server and exported /home. I also chrooted into the client directory /opt/ltsp/i386 and installed libpam-ldap, libnss-ldap, libpam-mount, openssh-server, firefox, and flashplugin-nonfree. I configured ldap and am able to confirm users with "id " and "getent passwd ". I configured /etc/security/pam_mount.conf with the following line: volume * nfs 10.6.1.155 /home/& /home/& - - - To try and tell pam to mount the users home directory at login. This doesn't seem to be working. So for testing purposes I am just logging in on Screen1 (alt+ctrl+f1) and manually mounting /home with "sudo mount -t nfs 10.6.1.155:/home /home" (my ltsp server is 10.6.1.155). This mounts /home and I can see all users folders. I have set /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the server with "ForwardX11 yes" and configured /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config with "X11Forwarding yes". >From a terminal (with the manually mounted /home from screen1), I can log in with one of my ldap users, open a terminal and "ssh testuser at 10.6.254.149 (where testuser is the logged in ldap user and 10.6.254.149 is my thin clients current IP) and authenticate with the users password. I get an error of "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding", but this error seems trivial as I am still able to use the ssh session. I can issued the command "firefox" from the ssh session and after a long wait (about 30 seconds) I actually get a firefox running as a local app. Once open I am able to navigate websites with a fair amount of speed (about as good as I would expect from a client with 533Mhz and 128MB RAM). So I guess I could call this a step in the right direction and partial success. However the speed to open is a concern, flash runs but still has no sound, and of course I have the issues of pam_mount not automatically mounting the /home directories and I have to manually ssh into the client and run firefox. Anyone have any suggestions for me from this point? I assume that I can figure out how to avoid the manual stuff for ssh and nfs mounting, but I don't understand why this app takes so long to load and why sound isn't working. If I can't get past those 2 issues there really is no reason to move forward with the others. Also I wonder if there is a more efficient way of accessing the local app without using X11 forwarding, it seems like a lot of extra network traffic could be caused by having to send the X data back to the server just so the server can send it back to the client. There must be a way to access it locally. Thanks, Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tompoe at fngi.net Mon Jul 9 16:10:21 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:10:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] last mile solutions out there? Message-ID: <46925DED.3060207@fngi.net> My community has a fiber optic termination at our local high school. Our students need access from their homes for homework, mentoring, virtual field trips, etc. Is anyone using a last mile solution in their schools? Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa From acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us Mon Jul 9 16:42:26 2007 From: acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us (Amy Contreras) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:42:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN AD Integration: References: <20070703193655.705567352C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC9@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Thanks Ray! I was able to get in by using ssh as root and was able to make the adjustments I needed to. I apologize for not thinking of that myself. I'm still rather new to K12LTSP. Amy > I've installed K12LTSP 5 and I am currently trying to integrate Active > Directory. For the most part I've been following the K12LTSP Wiki on > ADIntigration > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration. I > was able to join the domain successfully and then made the necessary > changes to allow domain account users to login. Afterward I was not > able to successfully login with the user accounts that I tried. I did > set the default domain and restarted winbind. I tried to test several > accounts by using the # su - "user" command and it appeared to > acknowledge the user accounts but didn't like the passwords. Now this > is where I get myself in real trouble. I seen that someone else got > it working properly by changing the default login manager from GDM to > KDM by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop and adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE". > Big mistake. Now I'm basically stuck because I'm not able to login as > root and when I login with my local account I'm not able to make any > changes because I somehow lack the proper permissions. I tried using > sudo to access the desktop file among others but that didn't work > either. I've done a google search and searched the archives but > haven't found anything yet. Please help! > > Amy Contreras Hi Amy, Have your tried ssh'ing into the server from another PC? Maybe as root so that you can make the changes. Ray From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 9 16:58:44 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:58:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> References: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> Message-ID: <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> Roger Morris wrote: > John Lucas wrote: > >> On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the >>> following: >>> >>> 1) Windows Server >>> 2) Device/Client Cals for Windows >>> 3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. >>> >>> I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as >>> the above is properly licensed. >>> >>> Anything else required? >>> >>> >> Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", otherwise the >> default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous users. >> >> > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, right? Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only two. Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then that counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one terminal server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be similar. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 9 17:03:32 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:03:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] last mile solutions out there? In-Reply-To: <46925DED.3060207@fngi.net> References: <46925DED.3060207@fngi.net> Message-ID: <46926A64.8060604@cmosnetworks.com> Sure. Just set up a VPN gateway on that fiber link, and have your students VPN in with their home broadband links. That gives them access to the school's network as if they were actually, physically at the school. We do this in our district, and it's great. I use vpnc on GNU/Linux to connect in via my cable modem on a near-daily basis. Works great for securing wireless, too, BTW, if you're thinking about that. You can even connect entire sites to your district that way if you want. We use that for connecting some of our satellite offices that are located in "strip mall" shopping centers. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Tom Poe wrote: > My community has a fiber optic termination at our local high school. > Our students need access from their homes for homework, mentoring, > virtual field trips, etc. Is anyone using a last mile solution in > their schools? > Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:37:07 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:37:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? Message-ID: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for all other samba servers? Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? Thanks! John From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Jul 9 18:44:57 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] fc6 and webmin problem Message-ID: <44506.216.24.126.67.1184006697.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Found out the fix for my Webmin not starting. Hoping this may help someone else out. Not sure how this happened. This is my first install of FC6/ K12LTSP6. Have run K12LTSP since version 1. Anyways in my /etc/hosts.conf file for localhost by default I had a " ::1 localhost.localdomain localhost < realhostname> ". I changed the ::1 to the usual 127.0.0.1 and then Webmin started. BTW: I had disabled IPv6 when i was doing the initial setup.from the CD's. Not sure how that got in in the hosts file. Take care, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 9 18:53:59 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:53:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46928447.3000006@futuresource.com> john wrote: > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > all other samba servers? I don't understand the question. If you want them to authenticate against the AD, you can have any number of them. Do you want each to have its own set of users/passwords instead? Or are you only using LDAP? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pxeboot at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:59:41 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:59:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's a thought: Why not have your Samba servers participate as member servers in Active Directory? In so doing, you can administer all your Windows and Linux computer and user accounts using the standard Windows MMC. You can configure your Samba servers to be ldap/winbind clients authenticating to AD. The beauty of the Linux PAM stack is that you can point it to an AD authentication source via winbind and/or LDAP. Why maintain 2 user directories when one will suffice? Administration is much easier if you can keep all your computer and user objects in a single directory. I assume that you have no plans to get rid of AD in the near future, if at all. Check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ for more information. On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > all other samba servers? > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > Thanks! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 20:37:59 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:37:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> Hi Conrad and Les, Here's the thing. I have been running 1 server with auth to AD via winbind and kerberos for 6 months. Now I want to install another server, but short of creating a whole other domain with SAMBA as a PDC and setting up a trust, I can't see how to do it. PLEASE point me at the simple "just edit pam to use" AD howto! Thanks! John On 7/9/07, Conrad Lawes wrote: > Here's a thought: > > Why not have your Samba servers participate as member servers in Active > Directory? > In so doing, you can administer all your Windows and Linux computer and user > accounts using the standard Windows MMC. > > You can configure your Samba servers to be ldap/winbind clients > authenticating to AD. > The beauty of the Linux PAM stack is that you can point it to an AD > authentication source via winbind and/or LDAP. > > Why maintain 2 user directories when one will suffice? Administration is > much easier if you can keep all your computer and user objects in a single > directory. > > I assume that you have no plans to get rid of AD in the near future, if at > all. > > Check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ for more information. > > > On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > > all other samba servers? > > > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > > > Thanks! > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 9 21:14:48 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:14:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4692A548.10100@futuresource.com> john wrote: > > Here's the thing. I have been running 1 server with auth to AD via > winbind and kerberos for 6 months. Now I want to install another > server, but short of creating a whole other domain with SAMBA as a PDC > and setting up a trust, I can't see how to do it. > > PLEASE point me at the simple "just edit pam to use" AD howto! Just repeat the setup you have on your working server. AD isn't going to care how many servers authenticate with it as long as all the users are there. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon Jul 9 21:13:08 2007 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:13:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4692A4E4.8050700@alltel.net> I used multiple domains and multiple servers and had no problems accessing data from any server from any workstation (not using W2K. . . all my PDC were linux/samba) provided the user had accounts and access rights to each server. It depended on who logged in and what they were supposed to have access to as to whether or not they needed access to a particular server or share. Basically, the only thing I used the domain for was authentication. After that everything else was done via login scripts. Winders XP messed that up a bit, but I figured a way around that, too. . .With 98, you could simply change the domain line and log into any domain you wanted. With XP you are locked into one. But granting access to others is still possible with linux/samba servers without having to change the domain. . . More details if you want. . . Doug john wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > all other samba servers? > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > Thanks! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:23:34 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:23:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <4692A548.10100@futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> <4692A548.10100@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50707091423s479f0fbelc4d3816014a629bc@mail.gmail.com> Ok, Les. Thanks but the issue is a consistent uid/rid mapping for mulitple linux servers. If you don't have that then user1 on ltsp1 will have a different uid then user1 on ltsp2. John On 7/9/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > john wrote: > > > > Here's the thing. I have been running 1 server with auth to AD via > > winbind and kerberos for 6 months. Now I want to install another > > server, but short of creating a whole other domain with SAMBA as a PDC > > and setting up a trust, I can't see how to do it. > > > > PLEASE point me at the simple "just edit pam to use" AD howto! > > Just repeat the setup you have on your working server. AD isn't going > to care how many servers authenticate with it as long as all the users > are there. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:25:44 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:25:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <4692A4E4.8050700@alltel.net> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <4692A4E4.8050700@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50707091425h12346f8cw1c4051311f5f97be@mail.gmail.com> Yes, There in lies the ol' rub. I can't ditch win2k3 *yet* and in fact this project is meant to show the folks that I work for that such a replacement might be feasable, but until that day, I am looking for a way to share a common backend without running parallel sets of users/password setups. I appreciate your help Doug. John On 7/9/07, Doug Simpson wrote: > I used multiple domains and multiple servers and had no problems > accessing data from any server from any workstation (not using W2K. . . > all my PDC were linux/samba) provided the user had accounts and access > rights to each server. > > It depended on who logged in and what they were supposed to have access > to as to whether or not they needed access to a particular server or > share. Basically, the only thing I used the domain for was > authentication. After that everything else was done via login scripts. > Winders XP messed that up a bit, but I figured a way around that, too. . > .With 98, you could simply change the domain line and log into any > domain you wanted. With XP you are locked into one. But granting > access to others is still possible with linux/samba servers without > having to change the domain. . . > > More details if you want. . . > > Doug > > john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > > all other samba servers? > > > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > > > Thanks! > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 9 21:35:21 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:35:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091423s479f0fbelc4d3816014a629bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> <4692A548.10100@futuresource.com> <2be970b50707091423s479f0fbelc4d3816014a629bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4692AA19.1000700@futuresource.com> john wrote: > Ok, Les. Thanks but the issue is a consistent uid/rid mapping for > mulitple linux servers. If you don't have that then user1 on ltsp1 > will have a different uid then user1 on ltsp2. One approach is to create the accounts yourself (or copy the passwd entries)and only use AD as the password server. There is a way to get consistent mapping but I haven't used it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:43:13 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:43:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <4692AA19.1000700@futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> <4692A548.10100@futuresource.com> <2be970b50707091423s479f0fbelc4d3816014a629bc@mail.gmail.com> <4692AA19.1000700@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50707091443g475b9cfel993bd96eb09fab35@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Les, Jerry Carter on the samba mailing list suggested i try IDMAP_RID with Winbind which is what I think you are talking about. I am going to give that a shot. Thanks! john On 7/9/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > john wrote: > > Ok, Les. Thanks but the issue is a consistent uid/rid mapping for > > mulitple linux servers. If you don't have that then user1 on ltsp1 > > will have a different uid then user1 on ltsp2. > > One approach is to create the accounts yourself (or copy the passwd > entries)and only use AD as the password server. There is a way to get > consistent mapping but I haven't used it. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 22:06:00 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:06:00 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > > 6)Please use RAID 1 on your server. This is slower for writes (installation and saving files) but allows simultaneous seeks for simultaneous users/pocesses. Hard drives are about 25 cents a gB for 500 gB. > > RAID 1 certainly works, but if he can afford it, RAID 5 will be even quicker due to more spindles. > Are you sure? I have heard that RAID 5 is no good. http://www.baarf.com/ From daengbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 01:09:17 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:09:17 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? In-Reply-To: <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> References: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not a typesetting or desktop publishing program. A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded, there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that the correct term?). Dan On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > I use and like them as well. They are indeed close, but not quite exact. > I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a > document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use OpenOffice.org). > They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and actually > complained! Reason? The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly in the > same places (my printout vs. her screen display). They were close, but not > exactly the same. > > Therefore, I decided on a little test. I then viewed the same document > again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times New > Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org exactly where > they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003. She seemed to have a valid point > at first. > > OK, let's continue testing, I thought. I fired up a Windows box w/ MS Word > XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in each, > using Times New Roman. Guess what? The paragraphs didn't land exactly > where they had in MS Word 2003! Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000 had the > paragraphs ending in slightly different places. So, I said to my MS > Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word XP-using > boss?" My colleague then got quiet. > > The test showed me two things. First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so compatible > with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I didn't > bother trying Word 97). Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't > produce any layout changes greater than switching between different versions > of Microsoft Word. A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to use MS > Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant. > > Conclusion: the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to replace > Times New Roman. Further, they are Free as in Freedom. I absolutely will > continue to use them. > > I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts available, if > only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft: WE WILL EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS. > It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black Sea > during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union. However, we should > also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default > typeface. If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still > can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore. > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > i second that :-) > > i use them too, and they are great! > i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the > corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts families. > it can be patched globally by editing the file: > /{where OO is > installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu > where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored. > > i'm attaching it. > > > On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' > > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs > > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts > > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. > > > > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for > > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), > > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and > > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, > > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." > > > > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it > > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? > > > > < https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ > > > > > Nils Breunese. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pxeboot at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 02:18:24 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:18:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Exactly my point. You want setup a second Linux server to participate in AD, yeah? This is exactly what sadms is designed to do. I wish I knew about this tool when I first attempted to this. Save yourself the manual labour and the possible pitfalls, check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ Thank me later. On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > Hi Conrad and Les, > > > Here's the thing. I have been running 1 server with auth to AD via > winbind and kerberos for 6 months. Now I want to install another > server, but short of creating a whole other domain with SAMBA as a PDC > and setting up a trust, I can't see how to do it. > > PLEASE point me at the simple "just edit pam to use" AD howto! > > Thanks! > > John > > On 7/9/07, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > Here's a thought: > > > > Why not have your Samba servers participate as member servers in > Active > > Directory? > > In so doing, you can administer all your Windows and Linux computer and > user > > accounts using the standard Windows MMC. > > > > You can configure your Samba servers to be ldap/winbind clients > > authenticating to AD. > > The beauty of the Linux PAM stack is that you can point it to an AD > > authentication source via winbind and/or LDAP. > > > > Why maintain 2 user directories when one will suffice? Administration > is > > much easier if you can keep all your computer and user objects in a > single > > directory. > > > > I assume that you have no plans to get rid of AD in the near future, if > at > > all. > > > > Check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ for more information. > > > > > > On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > > > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > > > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > > > all other samba servers? > > > > > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Conrad Lawes > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 03:32:17 2007 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Java on K12LTSP 5EL Message-ID: <918854.45156.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> make a symolic link from the plugin in the jre directory to the firefox plugins directory. Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: Nils Breunese To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 10:07:48 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Java on K12LTSP 5EL Hello, I used the Install additional software -> Get Java method to install Java on a fresh K12LTSP 5EL server. Though it's not the latest version it seems to work fine on a console: $ java -version java version "1.5.0_10" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_10-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.5.0_10-b03, mixed mode) The browser plugin doesn't seem to be installed however, as all Java applets in Firefox show the puzzle piece icon and tell me to install a plugin. Is this a bug? Anything I can do to fix this? Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 10 06:40:25 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:40:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <469329D9.2010903@cmosnetworks.com> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >> >> >> 6)Please use RAID 1 on your server. This is slower for writes >> (installation and saving files) but allows simultaneous seeks for >> simultaneous users/pocesses. Hard drives are about 25 cents a gB for >> 500 gB. >> >> RAID 1 certainly works, but if he can afford it, RAID 5 will be >> even quicker due to more spindles. >> > Are you sure? I have heard that RAID 5 is no good. > http://www.baarf.com/ I just looked at this. Whoever these people are, they look to me to be ranting. It seems that, to them, nothing short of a multi-node cluster filesystem would be enough for your average small-office file server! How easy it is to spend other people's money, eh? :-) The only time I've ever heard of a RAID 5 having any problems is when the sysadmin didn't set it up right, in which case he gets what he deserves. The problem of drives failing is an issue with *any* array, even an "array" of one. That's why we do parity checking. At work, we routinely run 14-disk arrays in a RAID 5 configuration, and we've yet to have a problem related to running in RAID 5. And as for the "slows things down" issue, I'll say this: nothing--NOTHING--beats RAID 0 for speed. That said, RAID 5 kicks RAID 1 in the delicate parts when it comes to performance. Again, we're back to, say, six or eight spindles vs. two spindles; no contest. I've run many 14-disk SCSI RAID 5 setups, and my God, they were quick!! Yes, I'm assuming a real hardware RAID card here; I generally don't recommend software RAID, no matter which RAID level you use. Throughout my years of being a sysadmin, I've found RAID 5 to be the best all-around RAID level to use. Reliability, cost, performance--it's all there. Now, I've had a couple of RAID *cards* fail on me...but that's irrespective of your chosen RAID level. Swap the card and keep steppin'. Now, if you want to start getting really fancy, for example, to RAID 10 or 50, you'd better get a *whole* lot more disks and a *whole* lot more physical space to put them. Oh, and it'll therefore cost a lot more coin, too. The only folks who need that are folks running massive databases--or really huge file/Web servers--that need, say, 99.9999% uptime, e. g. www.dell.com or www.orbitz.com. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 10 06:46:35 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:46:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? In-Reply-To: References: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46932B4B.9050103@cmosnetworks.com> You're right on both counts, of course. That was the point of demo'ing that file to her in three different versions of MS Word. Like I said, she got real quiet, real fast. As to your point about PDF's, I've seen that issue, too, especially when someone uses Arial Black. Cisco used to be notorious for doing this kind of thing. That's why, whenever I make a PDF, I go ahead and embed the typeface whenever possible. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Bodanske wrote: > Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being > silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not > a typesetting or desktop publishing program. > > A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which > should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded, > there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans > font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF > got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that > the correct term?). > > Dan > > On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >> >> I use and like them as well. They are indeed close, but not quite >> exact. >> I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a >> document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use >> OpenOffice.org). >> They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and >> actually >> complained! Reason? The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly >> in the >> same places (my printout vs. her screen display). They were close, >> but not >> exactly the same. >> >> Therefore, I decided on a little test. I then viewed the same document >> again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times >> New >> Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org >> exactly where >> they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003. She seemed to have a valid >> point >> at first. >> >> OK, let's continue testing, I thought. I fired up a Windows box w/ >> MS Word >> XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in >> each, >> using Times New Roman. Guess what? The paragraphs didn't land exactly >> where they had in MS Word 2003! Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000 >> had the >> paragraphs ending in slightly different places. So, I said to my MS >> Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word >> XP-using >> boss?" My colleague then got quiet. >> >> The test showed me two things. First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so >> compatible >> with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I >> didn't >> bother trying Word 97). Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't >> produce any layout changes greater than switching between different >> versions >> of Microsoft Word. A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to >> use MS >> Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant. >> >> Conclusion: the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to >> replace >> Times New Roman. Further, they are Free as in Freedom. I absolutely >> will >> continue to use them. >> >> I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts >> available, if >> only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft: WE WILL EXERCISE OUR >> RIGHTS. >> It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black >> Sea >> during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union. However, we should >> also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default >> typeface. If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still >> can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore. >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: >> i second that :-) >> >> i use them too, and they are great! >> i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the >> corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts >> families. >> it can be patched globally by editing the file: >> /{where OO is >> installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu >> >> where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored. >> >> i'm attaching it. >> >> >> On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' >> > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs >> > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts >> > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. >> > >> > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for >> > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), >> > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and >> > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, >> > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." >> > >> > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it >> > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? >> > >> > < https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ > >> > >> > Nils Breunese. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> > >> >> ________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 10 06:49:34 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:49:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <469329D9.2010903@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> <469329D9.2010903@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46932BFE.9000607@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Are you sure? I have heard that RAID 5 is no good. >> http://www.baarf.com/ > > I just looked at this. Whoever these people are, they look to me to be > ranting. It seems that, to them, nothing short of a multi-node cluster > filesystem would be enough for your average small-office file server! > How easy it is to spend other people's money, eh? :-) Write access is considerably slower on RAID5 and it tends to lock your heads together even for reads. I've always liked RAID1 for the simple reason that if everything is broken except one disk you can still recover the data it held. Plus if you do it in software you don't have to worry about having to match the controller to read on a different machine. > That said, RAID 5 kicks RAID 1 in the delicate parts when it > comes to performance. Again, we're back to, say, six or eight spindles > vs. two spindles; no contest. That's not necessarily true. If you configured those 8 drives in RAID1 pairs, you'd have 4 independently seeking places that could be writing at once and all 8 would be independent for reads. The trick is to arrange your data across the partitions so they are likely to be used simultaneously. These days you could just combine the RAID1 sets into one LVM, though. > I've run many 14-disk SCSI RAID 5 setups, > and my God, they were quick!! Yes, I'm assuming a real hardware RAID > card here; I generally don't recommend software RAID, no matter which > RAID level you use. Software RAID1 works very nicely and does not add much overhead on SCSI where there is not much CPU interaction anyway. I probably wouldn't do RAID5 in software. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Jul 10 13:27:38 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:27:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Software deployment Message-ID: <4693894A.8090406@elp.rr.com> Hi list members Out here in West Texas (El Paso) we are trying to put in place a cohesive plan to deploy Open Source Software, starting with XP/Mac compatible applications and ending with Linux/thin client clusters down the road. See http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 I am wondering if those of you on the list with similar efforts or experiences might have advice or documentation to share... I never thought "free" was going to cause such panic and resistance... Cheers Alan Hodson http://links.episd.org/ -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From rowens at ptd.net Tue Jul 10 14:03:47 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:03:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? In-Reply-To: <46932B4B.9050103@cmosnetworks.com> References: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> <46932B4B.9050103@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20070710140347.GA26204@clubber.owens.net> Using OpenOffice 2.0.4 on Linux and exporting to a PDF, I don't see any option to "embed the typeface". Does anybody know if that's done by default? I always thought that a PDF was a self-contained system, so to speak. But this thread has got me thinking that I'd better double check what I think I know... -Rob On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 02:46:35AM -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > You're right on both counts, of course. That was the point of demo'ing > that file to her in three different versions of MS Word. Like I said, > she got real quiet, real fast. > > As to your point about PDF's, I've seen that issue, too, especially when > someone uses Arial Black. Cisco used to be notorious for doing this > kind of thing. That's why, whenever I make a PDF, I go ahead and embed > the typeface whenever possible. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Daniel Bodanske wrote: > > Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being > > silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not > > a typesetting or desktop publishing program. > > > > A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which > > should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded, > > there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans > > font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF > > got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that > > the correct term?). > > > > Dan > > > > On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> > >> I use and like them as well. They are indeed close, but not quite > >> exact. > >> I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a > >> document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use > >> OpenOffice.org). > >> They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and > >> actually > >> complained! Reason? The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly > >> in the > >> same places (my printout vs. her screen display). They were close, > >> but not > >> exactly the same. > >> > >> Therefore, I decided on a little test. I then viewed the same document > >> again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times > >> New > >> Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org > >> exactly where > >> they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003. She seemed to have a valid > >> point > >> at first. > >> > >> OK, let's continue testing, I thought. I fired up a Windows box w/ > >> MS Word > >> XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in > >> each, > >> using Times New Roman. Guess what? The paragraphs didn't land exactly > >> where they had in MS Word 2003! Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000 > >> had the > >> paragraphs ending in slightly different places. So, I said to my MS > >> Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word > >> XP-using > >> boss?" My colleague then got quiet. > >> > >> The test showed me two things. First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so > >> compatible > >> with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I > >> didn't > >> bother trying Word 97). Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't > >> produce any layout changes greater than switching between different > >> versions > >> of Microsoft Word. A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to > >> use MS > >> Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant. > >> > >> Conclusion: the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to > >> replace > >> Times New Roman. Further, they are Free as in Freedom. I absolutely > >> will > >> continue to use them. > >> > >> I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts > >> available, if > >> only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft: WE WILL EXERCISE OUR > >> RIGHTS. > >> It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black > >> Sea > >> during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union. However, we should > >> also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default > >> typeface. If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still > >> can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore. > >> > >> --TP > >> > >> _______________________________ > >> Do you GNU!? > >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > >> > >> > >> Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > >> i second that :-) > >> > >> i use them too, and they are great! > >> i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the > >> corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts > >> families. > >> it can be patched globally by editing the file: > >> /{where OO is > >> installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu > >> > >> where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored. > >> > >> i'm attaching it. > >> > >> > >> On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' > >> > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs > >> > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts > >> > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. > >> > > >> > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for > >> > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), > >> > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and > >> > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, > >> > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." > >> > > >> > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it > >> > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? > >> > > >> > < https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ > > >> > > >> > Nils Breunese. > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 10 14:27:30 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:27:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server Message-ID: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you recommend? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "A person usually has two reasons for doing something: a good reason and the real reason." -- Thomas Carlyle From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jul 10 14:35:07 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:35:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server In-Reply-To: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> References: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4693991B.4050002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Cockrell wrote: > I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL > box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary > authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful > script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I > had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap > script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that > Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP > derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you > recommend? > I've got 3 Samba / LDAP servers running on CentOS 5, they aren't PDC's as they are running a standalone servers with there own slave LDAP's to make them a bit quicker. I could send you over my rough notes that I've got if you like, they might give you a start and allow you to run Matt's scripts as all the packages would be installed. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From nils at breun.nl Tue Jul 10 14:37:43 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:37:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts? In-Reply-To: <20070710140347.GA26204@clubber.owens.net> References: <313A1749-A559-4EB5-B258-D76B12873CA5@breun.nl> <4219988b0707081105h7280d2f1x599e1fdad29f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> <4692553E.5090300@cmosnetworks.com> <46932B4B.9050103@cmosnetworks.com> <20070710140347.GA26204@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Rob Owens wrote: > Using OpenOffice 2.0.4 on Linux and exporting to a PDF, I don't see > any option to "embed the > typeface". Does anybody know if that's done by default? I always > thought that a PDF was a self-contained system, so to speak. But this > thread has got me thinking that I'd better double check what I think I > know... Embedding fonts is optional for PDF documents. I do believe OpenOffice.org embeds fonts into exported PDF documents by default. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:02:30 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:02:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server In-Reply-To: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> References: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200707101102.30720.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 10 July 2007 10:27, Mark Cockrell wrote: > I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL > box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary > authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful > script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I > had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap > script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that > Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP > derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you > recommend? > As a test (on a temporary virtual machine), I tried using the smbldap installer scripts with CentOS5 and I was able to get it to work. I wish I had taken notes, but as I recall I added/activated the "rpmforge" repository and installed the dependant packages *before* I ran the script, choosing CentOS 4.4 as the installation target. The idea was to minimize the number of packages that smbldap-installer had to fetch by installing the versions that were correct for CentOS, leaving only the configuration steps for the scripts to perform. At any rate I was able to get it working. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jul 10 15:09:30 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:09:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server In-Reply-To: <200707101102.30720.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> <200707101102.30720.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4693A12A.8040002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> John Lucas wrote: > On Tuesday 10 July 2007 10:27, Mark Cockrell wrote: >> I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL >> box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary >> authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful >> script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I >> had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap >> script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that >> Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP >> derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you >> recommend? >> > > As a test (on a temporary virtual machine), I tried using the smbldap > installer scripts with CentOS5 and I was able to get it to work. I wish I had > taken notes, but as I recall I added/activated the "rpmforge" repository and > installed the dependant packages *before* I ran the script, choosing CentOS > 4.4 as the installation target. The idea was to minimize the number of > packages that smbldap-installer had to fetch by installing the versions that > were correct for CentOS, leaving only the configuration steps for the scripts > to perform. At any rate I was able to get it working. > I've taken the bits below from my wiki page I created, it should allow you to get the script working, only thing I think I've missed is the smbldap-tools that you'll need to create users etc but the script should install that for you. ProtectBase You should make sure that you have ProtectBase installed. yum-protectbase is available in the CentOS 5 repositories: yum install yum-protectbase Plugins are enabled in CentOS 5 by default. Edit the file /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the [base] and [update] and [centosplus] section: protect=1 Leave the [centosplus] section disabled: enabled=0 Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the other sections protect=0 Download the rpmforge-release package. wget http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/RPMS.dag/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm (You can find a complete list of rpmforge-release package packages at http://dag.wieers.com/packages/rpmforge-release/ but it is recommended that you use one of the two listed above). Install DAG's GPG key rpm --import http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.dag.txt Verify the package you have downloaded rpm -K rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm Security warning: The rpmforge-release package imports GPG keys into your RPM database. As long as you have verified the package and trust Dag then it should be safe. Install the package rpm -i rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm This will add a yum repository config file and import the appropriate GPG keys. Test with this command: yum check-update It should output these two lines: Loading "protectbase" plugin ... 76 packages excluded due to repository protections The number above may differ, but there should be several packages shown as being excluded. [edit] Install Extra Packages yum install ntp yum install apcupsd Install needed rpms for Samba3 / Openldap (found from Smbldap installer script) yum install perl-XML-SAX-Base perl-Unicode-String perl-IO-Socket-SSL perl-Crypt-SmbHash perl-Convert-BER Install actual servers & dependants yum install perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-libwww-perl yum install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay yum install perl-Digest-SHA1 perl-LDAP yum install gcc glibc-headers yum install openldap-servers openldap-clients yum install samba-common samba yum install apcupsd yum install net-snmp Install Webmin for easy configuration (example below is current version but visit www.webmin.com for latest version) wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm rpm -U webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tompoe at fngi.net Tue Jul 10 15:29:07 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:29:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] last mile solution comment Message-ID: <4693A5C3.4030707@fngi.net> In Iowa, we have a state-owned, state-run fibre optic network that has terminations in most of the state at local schools. There is no last mile solution in place, which would make the network accessible for students from their homes. Looks like an antenna at the school, and a dish across town is all that is needed for coverage for the communities. If Meraki units were placed in students' homes, which cost $50 each, it would then be manageable and low-cost for a last mile solution. Is anyone out there doing something similar? Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:41:27 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device cals cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session coming in via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 device, so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am sure MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal server itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I guess some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they wanted. Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > Roger Morris wrote: > > John Lucas wrote: > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > Hi > > What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > following: > > 1) Windows Server > 2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > 3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > the above is properly licensed. > > Anything else required? > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", otherwise the > default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous users. > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, right? > > > Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only two. > Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then that > counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one terminal > server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be similar. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 16:04:56 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:04:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50707100904n4675205l9fa3e93aacad2ab7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Conrad, Thanks, I did check out sadms and it was pretty slick. It didn't quite do what I wanted it to and when I went looking for answers I didn't like the fact that there wasn't a mailing list or a way to discuss issues that might arise (at least one that I could fine). However I could see where it would help folks out. I appreciate the help. John On 7/9/07, Conrad Lawes wrote: > Exactly my point. You want setup a second Linux server to participate in > AD, yeah? This is exactly what sadms is designed to do. I wish I knew > about this tool when I first attempted to this. Save yourself the manual > labour and the possible pitfalls, check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ > > Thank me later. > > > > > On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > Hi Conrad and Les, > > > > > > Here's the thing. I have been running 1 server with auth to AD via > > winbind and kerberos for 6 months. Now I want to install another > > server, but short of creating a whole other domain with SAMBA as a PDC > > and setting up a trust, I can't see how to do it. > > > > PLEASE point me at the simple "just edit pam to use" AD howto! > > > > Thanks! > > > > John > > > > On 7/9/07, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > > Here's a thought: > > > > > > Why not have your Samba servers participate as member servers in > Active > > > Directory? > > > In so doing, you can administer all your Windows and Linux computer and > user > > > accounts using the standard Windows MMC. > > > > > > You can configure your Samba servers to be ldap/winbind clients > > > authenticating to AD. > > > The beauty of the Linux PAM stack is that you can point it to an AD > > > authentication source via winbind and/or LDAP. > > > > > > Why maintain 2 user directories when one will suffice? Administration > is > > > much easier if you can keep all your computer and user objects in a > single > > > directory. > > > > > > I assume that you have no plans to get rid of AD in the near future, if > at > > > all. > > > > > > Check out http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, john wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Is it possible to have two samba servers on a win2k3 domain without > > > > using NT style trusts? Put another way, must one of the Samba servers > > > > always be a PDC for its own domain and host something like LDAP for > > > > all other samba servers? > > > > > > > > Is there someone out there who REALLY groks SAMBA? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Conrad Lawes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > PXE Guru > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 10 17:38:39 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers on one Win2k3 domain without trusts? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50707100904n4675205l9fa3e93aacad2ab7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50707091137j3f85e484o82a2075a9c189602@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707091337l668eb355tffc6ae3ba4ccb040@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50707100904n4675205l9fa3e93aacad2ab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4693C41F.80709@futuresource.com> john wrote: > > Thanks, I did check out sadms and it was pretty slick. It didn't quite > do what I wanted it to and when I went looking for answers I didn't > like the fact that there wasn't a mailing list or a way to discuss > issues that might arise (at least one that I could fine). However I > could see where it would help folks out. > > I appreciate the help. If you can get the user names into a list you could just use webmin's batch add and cluster managment features to keep users and groups consistent across Linux boxes, and tell authconfig to do smb authentication against your AD or PDC so you don't need to deal with passwords. A side effect is that you don't have to let everyone on the AD side have logins - and you can have local users and passwords that aren't in AD. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 10 18:03:51 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:03:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <46932BFE.9000607@futuresource.com> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> <469329D9.2010903@cmosnetworks.com> <46932BFE.9000607@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4693CA07.2070007@cmosnetworks.com> Several good points, Les. Responses inline. --TP Les Mikesell wrote: > Write access is considerably slower on RAID5 and it tends to lock your > heads together even for reads. I've always liked RAID1 for the simple > reason that if everything is broken except one disk you can still > recover the data it held. Plus if you do it in software you don't > have to worry about having to match the controller to read on a > different machine. However, RAID 1, by definition, is not scalable beyond two disks. So you're in a very similar situation (losing one disk and still going) here as you are with RAID 5. And as for RAID 5 locking the heads together even for reads, that may well depend on your specific RAID card. We haven't seen any evidence of that with our systems at work. However, it might well be true in some implementations, maybe to include software RAID. >> That said, RAID 5 kicks RAID 1 in the delicate parts when it >> comes to performance. Again, we're back to, say, six or eight spindles >> vs. two spindles; no contest. > > That's not necessarily true. If you configured those 8 drives in > RAID1 pairs, you'd have 4 independently seeking places that could be > writing at once and all 8 would be independent for reads. The trick > is to arrange your data across the partitions so they are likely to be > used simultaneously. These days you could just combine the RAID1 sets > into one LVM, though. > You're no longer talking about RAID 1, though. You're talking about RAID 10. > > I've run many 14-disk SCSI RAID 5 setups, >> and my God, they were quick!! Yes, I'm assuming a real hardware RAID >> card here; I generally don't recommend software RAID, no matter which >> RAID level you use. > > Software RAID1 works very nicely and does not add much overhead on > SCSI where there is not much CPU interaction anyway. I probably > wouldn't do RAID5 in software. > Largely true with SCSI; I wasn't specific enough in that second sentence. Oh, how I wish all disk drive interfaces were SCSI--that would solve plenty of problems! But even with SCSI, we're back to the scalability issue; RAID 1 cannot, by definition, scale beyond two spindles, so if you want larger capacity, you've either got to buy two *huge* drives or go with RAID 5. I certainly agree with you about not doing RAID 5 in software; that calls for a hardware controller. And if you do go with hardware RAID controllers, then your CPU usage becomes independent of whether you're using PATA, SATA, or SCSI, since the RAID card does all that work. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 10 19:30:43 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:30:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <4693CA07.2070007@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070707160024.5AD8773206@hormel.redhat.com> <1183855193.10402.50.camel@Beast> <46910CBF.1030608@cmosnetworks.com> <469329D9.2010903@cmosnetworks.com> <46932BFE.9000607@futuresource.com> <4693CA07.2070007@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4693DE63.60308@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Write access is considerably slower on RAID5 and it tends to lock your >> heads together even for reads. I've always liked RAID1 for the simple >> reason that if everything is broken except one disk you can still >> recover the data it held. Plus if you do it in software you don't >> have to worry about having to match the controller to read on a >> different machine. > However, RAID 1, by definition, is not scalable beyond two disks. That's actually not true - linux md will happily mirror more if you want. I keep my backuppc archive on a 3-member set where one is an external firewire drive that is periodically added and removed after the sync completes. The rest of the time it is equally happy with two working members. > So > you're in a very similar situation (losing one disk and still going) > here as you are with RAID 5. The difference is that a RAID1 will still run at full speed with one drive where RAID5 speed will drop drastically as it has to reconstruct everything from parity. But my first point was that even if everything in the machine melts except one drive with software raid you could connect that to about any controller and get the files it contained. > And as for RAID 5 locking the heads > together even for reads, that may well depend on your specific RAID > card. We haven't seen any evidence of that with our systems at work. > However, it might well be true in some implementations, maybe to include > software RAID. If you look at how it stores the data, I don't see how it can avoid having to make multiple heads seek to get it back. On raid1, reads can be completely independent. >>> That said, RAID 5 kicks RAID 1 in the delicate parts when it >>> comes to performance. Again, we're back to, say, six or eight spindles >>> vs. two spindles; no contest. >> That's not necessarily true. If you configured those 8 drives in >> RAID1 pairs, you'd have 4 independently seeking places that could be >> writing at once and all 8 would be independent for reads. The trick >> is to arrange your data across the partitions so they are likely to be >> used simultaneously. These days you could just combine the RAID1 sets >> into one LVM, though. >> > You're no longer talking about RAID 1, though. You're talking about > RAID 10. No, I'm talking about multiple partitions, mounted to distribute the load, like having /, /var, and /home as separate mirrored partitions, each filling a drive. Or in the LVM case, combined in a more flexible way than RAID10. >>> I've run many 14-disk SCSI RAID 5 setups, >>> and my God, they were quick!! Yes, I'm assuming a real hardware RAID >>> card here; I generally don't recommend software RAID, no matter which >>> RAID level you use. >> Software RAID1 works very nicely and does not add much overhead on >> SCSI where there is not much CPU interaction anyway. I probably >> wouldn't do RAID5 in software. >> > Largely true with SCSI; I wasn't specific enough in that second > sentence. Oh, how I wish all disk drive interfaces were SCSI--that > would solve plenty of problems! But even with SCSI, we're back to the > scalability issue; RAID 1 cannot, by definition, scale beyond two > spindles, so if you want larger capacity, you've either got to buy two > *huge* drives or go with RAID 5. Or use multiple mount points, or use LVM. With LVM you lose the ability to recover files from a single drive but don't have to worry so much about balancing the space usage yourself. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From rowens at ptd.net Tue Jul 10 19:49:27 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server In-Reply-To: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> References: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20070710194927.GB26479@clubber.owens.net> Could you leave the current box in service for authentication and maybe /home storage? You could still install K12LTSP 5.0EL on the new server and have it look to the old server for authentication. -Rob On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:27:30AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL > box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary > authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful > script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I > had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap > script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that > Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP > derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you > recommend? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > > "A person usually has two reasons for doing something: a good reason and > the real reason." -- Thomas Carlyle > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Tue Jul 10 19:52:13 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:52:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20070710195213.GC26479@clubber.owens.net> Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they overlooked this--and that's their problem. -Rob On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device cals > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session coming in > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 device, > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am sure > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal server > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I guess > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they wanted. > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > Hi > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > >following: > > > >1) Windows Server > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > >the above is properly licensed. > > > >Anything else required? > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > otherwise the > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous users. > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, right? > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only two. > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then that > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one terminal > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be > >similar. > > > >--TP > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 21:22:55 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:22:55 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing a server In-Reply-To: <20070710194927.GB26479@clubber.owens.net> References: <46939752.1050600@honeygroveisd.net> <20070710194927.GB26479@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Here are notes from when I installed on K12TLSP-6. I think Centos and Fedora 6 are very similar. Installation # cd smbldap-installer and run #./smbldap all choose k12ltsp-5 as the distribution. Secret tricks When the script runs it says some important packages are not installed. It then says it is installing them. But it is lying. The packages are not installed. You have to do it yourself. Run the following command to install required packages. #yum install perl-Crypt-SmbHash perl-Unicode-String perl-Unicode-Map8 smbldap-tools perl-Unicode-MapUTF8 perl-Jcode perl-Unicode-Map now run installer again. This time it should find all the packages it needs. #./smbldap all On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > Could you leave the current box in service for authentication and maybe > /home storage? You could still install K12LTSP 5.0EL on the new server > and have it look to the old server for authentication. > > -Rob > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:27:30AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > I want to replace my current K12LTSP 4.4.1 box with a new K12LTSP/ 5.0EL > > box, and I need a little advice. My current box is our primary > > authentication server using Samba/LDAP thanks to Matt Oquist's wonderful > > script. What's the best way to migrate that data to the new server? I > > had planned to just install 5.0EL on the new machine, run the smb-ldap > > script and then do a slapadd of my most recent backup, but it seems that > > Matt's script isn't yet ready to handle CentOS 5 or it's K12LTSP > > derivative. I'm at a loss as to what I should do. What do any of you > > recommend? > > > > -- > > > > C-ya, > > Mark > > ____ > > > > "A person usually has two reasons for doing something: a good reason and > > the real reason." -- Thomas Carlyle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 21:25:51 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:25:51 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <20070710195213.GC26479@clubber.owens.net> References: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> <20070710195213.GC26479@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip address. i.e. another device Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that you can't access more than once from one ip address. On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > -Rob > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device cals > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session coming in > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 device, > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am sure > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal server > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I guess > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they wanted. > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > > >following: > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > > otherwise the > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous users. > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, right? > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only two. > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then that > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one terminal > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be > > >similar. > > > > > >--TP > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Wed Jul 11 01:33:38 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <4693CA07.2070007@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Several good points, Les. Responses inline. > > --TP > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Write access is considerably slower on RAID5 and it tends to lock your > > heads together even for reads. I've always liked RAID1 for the simple > > reason that if everything is broken except one disk you can still > > recover the data it held. Plus if you do it in software you don't > > have to worry about having to match the controller to read on a > > different machine. > However, RAID 1, by definition, is not scalable beyond two disks. So > you're in a very similar situation (losing one disk and still going) > here as you are with RAID 5. And as for RAID 5 locking the heads > together even for reads, that may well depend on your specific RAID > card. We haven't seen any evidence of that with our systems at work. > However, it might well be true in some implementations, maybe to include > software RAID. > > >> That said, RAID 5 kicks RAID 1 in the delicate parts when it > >> comes to performance. Again, we're back to, say, six or eight spindles > >> vs. two spindles; no contest. > > > > That's not necessarily true. If you configured those 8 drives in > > RAID1 pairs, you'd have 4 independently seeking places that could be > > writing at once and all 8 would be independent for reads. The trick > > is to arrange your data across the partitions so they are likely to be > > used simultaneously. These days you could just combine the RAID1 sets > > into one LVM, though. > > > You're no longer talking about RAID 1, though. You're talking about > RAID 10. > > > > I've run many 14-disk SCSI RAID 5 setups, > >> and my God, they were quick!! Yes, I'm assuming a real hardware RAID > >> card here; I generally don't recommend software RAID, no matter which > >> RAID level you use. > > > > Software RAID1 works very nicely and does not add much overhead on > > SCSI where there is not much CPU interaction anyway. I probably > > wouldn't do RAID5 in software. > > > Largely true with SCSI; I wasn't specific enough in that second > sentence. Oh, how I wish all disk drive interfaces were SCSI--that > would solve plenty of problems! But even with SCSI, we're back to the > scalability issue; RAID 1 cannot, by definition, scale beyond two > spindles, so if you want larger capacity, you've either got to buy two > *huge* drives or go with RAID 5. I certainly agree with you about not > doing RAID 5 in software; that calls for a hardware controller. And if > you do go with hardware RAID controllers, then your CPU usage becomes > independent of whether you're using PATA, SATA, or SCSI, since the RAID > card does all that work. > Gentlemen, a couple cents worth of experience: even the most sluggish RAID 5 seems very fast if 1. controller has a lot of memory, 2. I/O buffer cache is large. By large, I mean really large. Example: on my production HP-UX box I have the slowest RAID known to mankind - EasyRaid, with dual controllers maxed out at 128MB. When the system started going really slow I upped the buffer cache from 1GB to 2.3GB (at the cost of some swapping) - the response time was cut by 2 orders of magnitude. This is due to 99.8% cash hit ratio on reads and 97.6% on writes. When a disk got fried I found about it in email - there was no noticeable slowdown, even though rebuild took 19 hours. julius From accessys at smart.net Wed Jul 11 02:47:34 2007 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] office suite interoperability In-Reply-To: References: <1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: then for a school you can use this. Microsoft word is NOT ADA nor 508 compliant. Bob On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > Hopefully the plug-in will work really well and the migration to open > standards can begin. However, I am a pessimist on this. Another really big > pet peeve of mine are requests for full versions of Adobe Acrobat so that > pdf's can be created. Typically, they want Adobe distiller installed, and > the full version of Adobe Acrobat. They have no issue with editing in MS > Office document, creating a pdf with distiller, and then having to use > Acrobat to edit that. When I mention just creating pdf's directly with > OO.org or StarOffice instead, it is like I have 3 heads or something because > that is too complicated and is not the corect way. Oh well. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > On 7/8/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what > > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... > > > > It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a > > few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST > > have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc > > each year in licensing. > > > > Thus enters OpenOffice.org > > > > What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux > > (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. > > > > Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at > > home so we can't use it". > > > > ????? > > > > It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. > > > > So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default > > output format is Microsoft Office format. > > > > Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge > > workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save > > As". > > > > But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to > > Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. > > > > The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure > > everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant > > but Microsoft Office is not. > > > > Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world > > standards: > > > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > > > Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like > > knowledge: good for everyone. > > > > > > > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > 770-493-8244 > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from it's government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 02:35:46 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:35:46 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and different LTSP distros In-Reply-To: <1183036207.10504.30.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20070628125323.1433773828@hormel.redhat.com> <1183036207.10504.30.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On 29/06/07, William Fragakis wrote: > Tweaks for servers serving older PCs: > If the PC, while PXE booting fails to get further than grabbing an IP > address or begin tftp, you likely an older PXE firmware (0.99) that > requires certain tweaks. Newer clients do not require these steps but it > doesn't hurt to do them to facilitate easy swapping of clients later. > We've only found this to be an issue with PII 350 and 400 Compaq > DeskPros. > Open the computer -> filesystem -> /etc > > open file /etc/sysctl.conf (it should open with Gedit or Kedit) append > the file with the following (Include the # sign! It denotes a comment > which is for human eyes and for the server to ignore. Well commented > files make things easy for those who follow you.) > > # Disable MTU discovery for older PXE NICs (0.99) > net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc = 1 > > save the file and close > > next, open file /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > change this line: > server.args = -s /tftpboot > > to: > server.args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot > > save the file and close (essentially, you are adding the -r blksize > parameter). This change unlike any others will not be effective until > you reboot the server. This is the only change that requires a reboot > since it is kernel level. All other changes are package or service level > and only require restarting that application or service. I tried these settings, and now I get this message from tail -f /var/log/messages when I start dhcpd and none of the clients can boot from this server. Wen I start dhcpd on the secondary server the terminals are able to boot from there. Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: Failover CONNECT from 192.168.0.253: time offset too large Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover: disconnect: time offset too large Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded Jul 11 14:27:51 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover peer ltsp: I move from startup to communications-interrupted Jul 11 14:27:51 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover: link startup timeout From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 03:18:22 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:18:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones Message-ID: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone used the older PowerMac G3's that are encased in an all in one unit as Thin Clients? I searched the Wiki to no avail. I believe it can network boot. However, I had no luck in doing so. I have only been able to get GX1's booting from my test server. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to push this project forward to make a Library free of OS X systems we could use elsewhere to make an entire second lab. Thanks for any help --Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Wed Jul 11 03:51:50 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:51:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Search the archives, its come up before, and detailed instructions have been posted to the list before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shane Sammons Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:18 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones Has anyone used the older PowerMac G3's that are encased in an all in one unit as Thin Clients? I searched the Wiki to no avail. I believe it can network boot. However, I had no luck in doing so. I have only been able to get GX1's booting from my test server. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to push this project forward to make a Library free of OS X systems we could use elsewhere to make an entire second lab. Thanks for any help --Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 11 05:04:02 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:04:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Software deployment In-Reply-To: <4693894A.8090406@elp.rr.com> References: <4693894A.8090406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <469464C2.9000803@cmosnetworks.com> I did this with my father. He actually is still on MS Windows until I can get out there this year. The last time I had to wipe/reinstall on his box, I installed the following software: 1.) OpenOffice.org, set to save in MS Office file formats by default. 2.) Firefox Web Browser. 3.) Thunderbird email client. He was using MS Outlook Express. When he saw Thunderbird, he praised it to high Heaven, saying, and I quote, "Son, this is exactly the kind of thing I've been hoping for!" Market it not as a "replacement" to MS Windows. You'll get lots of resistance if you do that. Rather, market it as an "enhancement" or "update" to the existing system. Some people will complain a lot at first...until they get used to it. One thing I've done is say, "oh, this is just the latest update to Office." God help me, it worked, and *strictly* speaking, it's true. The big thing is to have buy-in and support from the top. If you have the top bosses backing you, then the rest will follow in order to keep their jobs. I assure you, they *will* get used to it, just like they got used to MS Windows XP and MS Office 2003...or any other new application that they are required by their bosses to use. Read this for an example of how an entire office was converted to K12LTSP. Yes, he had top-boss backing. http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/85-One-Small-Business-Gladly-Gives-Microsoft-the-Boot.html --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! ahodson wrote: > Hi list members > > Out here in West Texas (El Paso) we are trying to put in place a > cohesive plan to deploy Open Source Software, starting with XP/Mac > compatible applications and ending with Linux/thin client clusters > down the road. See http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 > > I am wondering if those of you on the list with similar efforts or > experiences might have advice or documentation to share... I never > thought "free" was going to cause such panic and resistance... > > Cheers > Alan Hodson > http://links.episd.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Newer clients do not require these steps but it > > doesn't hurt to do them to facilitate easy swapping of clients later. > > We've only found this to be an issue with PII 350 and 400 Compaq > > DeskPros. > > Open the computer -> filesystem -> /etc > > > > open file /etc/sysctl.conf (it should open with Gedit or Kedit) append > > the file with the following (Include the # sign! It denotes a comment > > which is for human eyes and for the server to ignore. Well commented > > files make things easy for those who follow you.) > > > > # Disable MTU discovery for older PXE NICs (0.99) > > net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc = 1 > > > > save the file and close > > > > next, open file /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > > > change this line: > > server.args = -s /tftpboot > > > > to: > > server.args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot > > > > save the file and close (essentially, you are adding the -r blksize > > parameter). This change unlike any others will not be effective until > > you reboot the server. This is the only change that requires a reboot > > since it is kernel level. All other changes are package or service level > > and only require restarting that application or service. > > I tried these settings, and now I get this message from tail -f > /var/log/messages when I start dhcpd and none of the clients can boot > from this server. Wen I start dhcpd on the secondary server the > terminals are able to boot from there. > > Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: Failover CONNECT from 192.168.0.253: > time offset too large > Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover: disconnect: time offset too large > Jul 11 14:27:36 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded > Jul 11 14:27:51 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover peer ltsp: I move from > startup to communications-interrupted > Jul 11 14:27:51 k12ltsp2 dhcpd: failover: link startup timeout > Are your two DHCPD servers using NTP to sync to the same time source? Are the time zones identical? It looks like your failover setup is failing because there is too great a system time differential between the two servers. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 12:35:26 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:35:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <200707091021.06894.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46925539.2070706@4j.lane.edu> <46926944.80102@cmosnetworks.com> <20070710195213.GC26479@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS didn't think of this loophole. On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip > address. i.e. another device > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device > cals > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session > coming in > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 > device, > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am > sure > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal > server > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I > guess > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they > wanted. > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > > > >following: > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > > > otherwise the > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous > users. > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, > right? > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only > two. > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then > that > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one > terminal > > > >server session. 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I use 64-bit Firefox with nspluginwrapper so I can use the 32-bit only Flash plugin. Is the only solution to go with 32-bit Firefox? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Jul 11 13:43:28 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:43:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on K12LTSP 5EL In-Reply-To: <7AE62C88-4766-487A-8FE0-A54F558B614C@breun.nl> References: <918854.45156.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7AE62C88-4766-487A-8FE0-A54F558B614C@breun.nl> Message-ID: <4694DE80.5040903@peopleplaces.org> I've tried the blackdown route (blackdown.org) but it crashes on every applet after about 10 seconds. Other than that, I've got nothing. The problem is, my 64-bit FF w/ nspluginwrapper is infinitely more stable on non-java pages than 32-bit Firefox. So, I'm forced to make a choice - long-term stability with no java or random crashes with flash & java. -Michael Nils Breunese wrote: > Chris Thomas wrote: > >> make a symolic link from the plugin in the jre directory to the >> firefox plugins directory. > > That symlink is automatically created when you install the Java > packages: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so is a symlink > to > /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so. > > > I'm still thinking the problem may be that K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit installs > a 32-bit version of Java. Linux 64-bit JRE downloads are available at > java.sun.com, but apparently the 64-bit version doesn't have applet > and Java Web Start support. > > How do other people get Java applet support on 64-bit K12LTSP? I use > 64-bit Firefox with nspluginwrapper so I can use the 32-bit only Flash > plugin. 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Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Wed Jul 11 14:02:48 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS > didn't think of this loophole. > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no matter the value you get out of it. julius > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip > > address. i.e. another device > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device > > cals > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session > > coming in > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 > > device, > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am > > sure > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal > > server > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I > > guess > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they > > wanted. > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > > > > otherwise the > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous > > users. > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only > > two. > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then > > that > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one > > terminal > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Jul 11 13:56:21 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:56:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN AD Integration: In-Reply-To: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC9@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> References: <20070703193655.705567352C@hormel.redhat.com> <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDC9@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <200707110856.22142.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 09 July 2007 11:42:26 am Amy Contreras wrote: > Thanks Ray! I was able to get in by using ssh as root and was able to > make the adjustments I needed to. I apologize for not thinking of that > myself. I'm still rather new to K12LTSP. > > Amy > That's great. No need to apologize Amy, I've forgotten many things myself. A little nudge here and there and you'll be sailing on your own. Now, if I can only get one of my staff to ask for help ... Were you able to get your system working with AD? Ray Garza Coordinator of Computer Services Speer Memorial Library From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Jul 11 14:36:44 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:36:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4694EAFC.4080304@bio-chemvalve.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > > >> I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP >> server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the >> Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many >> thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever >> had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS >> didn't think of this loophole. >> >> > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the > server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no > matter the value you get out of it. > julius > My understanding is that you get to choose between "per user" and "per device". In per user mode, you're on your honor because the software does not prevent you from logging in more users than licenses. In per device mode, there are technical measures in place to ensure that you are abiding by the license. So it would seem that I am allowed to do anything that those technical measures to not explicitly prevent. -Rob On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: >>> If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local >>> application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip >>> address. i.e. another device >>> >>> Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip >>> address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that >>> you can't access more than once from one ip address. >>> >>> On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: >>> >>>> Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the >>>> "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS >>>> would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they >>>> overlooked this--and that's their problem. >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: >>>> >>>>> A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device >>>>> >>> cals >>> >>>>> cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session >>>>> >>> coming in >>> >>>>> via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 >>>>> >>> device, >>> >>>>> so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am >>>>> >>> sure >>> >>>>> MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal >>>>> >>> server >>> >>>>> itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I >>>>> >>> guess >>> >>>>> some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they >>>>> >>> wanted. >>> >>>>> Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Dave Hopkins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Roger Morris wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> John Lucas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the >>>>>> following: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Windows Server >>>>>> 2) Device/Client Cals for Windows >>>>>> 3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as >>>>>> the above is properly licensed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anything else required? >>>>>> >>>>>> Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", >>>>>> otherwise the >>>>>> default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous >>>>>> >>> users. >>> >>>>>> to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, >>>>>> >>> right? >>> >>>>>> Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only >>>>>> >>> two. >>> >>>>>> Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then >>>>>> >>> that >>> >>>>>> counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one >>>>>> >>> terminal >>> >>>>>> server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be >>>>>> similar. >>>>>> >>>>>> --TP >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Wed Jul 11 15:11:29 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:11:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] office suite interoperability In-Reply-To: <20070711131903.6551E73611@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070711131903.6551E73611@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1184166689.4281.8.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 09:19 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > On 7/8/07, James P. Kinney III > wrote: > > > > > > I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's > what > > > everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... okay, this is OT but lemmings really don't hurl themselves off a cliff. The movie we all remember from childhood (at least the older of us) was discredited as the filmmaker actually got assistants to fling the poor critters off the cliff. Since then, Disney has pulled the movie from circulation. just a fun tidbit to share at parties... http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlife_news.view_article&articles_id=56&issue_id=6 now back to our regular programming William From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 15:17:09 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3610bbec0707110817p33e2bdf6m60dcb9eec4b034b0@mail.gmail.com> thanks. I will give the archive a search. On 7/11/07, Chuck Liebow wrote: > > older firmware may require a hard coded addy in dhcpd.conf..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 15:42:22 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:42:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julius, If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device cals. Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > > > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP > > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the > > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how > many > > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have > ever > > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I > think MS > > didn't think of this loophole. > > > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the > server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no > matter the value you get out of it. > julius > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local > > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip > > > address. i.e. another device > > > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip > > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that > > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure > MS > > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the > device > > > cals > > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session > > > coming in > > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from > 1 > > > device, > > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I > am > > > sure > > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the > terminal > > > server > > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but > I > > > guess > > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they > > > wanted. > > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need > the > > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long > as > > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application > mode", > > > > > > otherwise the > > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but > only > > > two. > > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, > then > > > that > > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one > > > terminal > > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might > be > > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Logically, one would think that an end user would constitute a license, and that would make sense, but not much in the EULA agreements makes logical sense, and I would think that sticking by the letter of the law, using the tools provided by the vendor, would be the only legal safe way of measuring the user count, not using logic, and definitely, not using ethics (They should get what they give). --Kirk From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 11 16:34:31 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:34:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46950697.10502@cmosnetworks.com> Dave, I used to be a Microsoft reseller back in the day. Therefore, I had to read those agreements very carefully. The agreement for Windows Terminal Services specifically includes multiple connections from any single IP address or device. You'd better read that agreement and make sure of what you're reading...unless you want to end up like Ken "Helios" Starks's "Ultra Secret Corporation": http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/83-No-One-Ever-Got-Fired-For-Using-Microsoft.-Yes-They-Did..html Rest assured, Microsoft *ABSOLUTELY* saw that loophole. Matter of fact, they themselves had previously taken advantage of it with Novell NetWare in the 1990's! Do some Googling for any product literature for "Services for NetWare", and you'll see what I mean. Microsoft wasn't about to repeat Novell's mistake. Also remember that the BSA has just recently upped their reward money for tattletales. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! David Hopkins wrote: > Julius, > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin > clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS > agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have > exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky > as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that > I could get by with just 3 device cals. > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User > cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, > this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not > trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at ellsworthschools.org Wed Jul 11 16:37:50 2007 From: cliebow at ellsworthschools.org (Chuck Liebow) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:37:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0707110817p33e2bdf6m60dcb9eec4b034b0@mail.gmail.com> References: < > <3610bbec0707110817p33e2bdf6m60dcb9eec4b034b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: my notes are in wiki.ltsp.org under cpu architecture i think.. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 17:52:31 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:52:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <46950697.10502@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46950697.10502@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: hmmm ... figures. Well, that is ok, I'm covered. And if MS really wants to come after the school 'just to make sure', I am certain that the publicity wouldn't be good. Still, with the tactics of this company, and the BSA, is it any wonder that people are learning to not like them? On 7/11/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Dave, I used to be a Microsoft reseller back in the day. Therefore, I > had to read those agreements very carefully. The agreement for Windows > Terminal Services specifically includes multiple connections from any single > IP address or device. You'd better read that agreement and make sure of > what you're reading...unless you want to end up like Ken "Helios" Starks's > "Ultra Secret Corporation": > > > http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/83-No-One-Ever-Got-Fired-For-Using-Microsoft.-Yes-They-Did..html > > Rest assured, Microsoft *ABSOLUTELY* saw that loophole. Matter of fact, > they themselves had previously taken advantage of it with Novell NetWare in > the 1990's! Do some Googling for any product literature for "Services for > NetWare", and you'll see what I mean. Microsoft wasn't about to repeat > Novell's mistake. > > Also remember that the BSA has just recently upped their reward money for > tattletales. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > David Hopkins wrote: > > Julius, > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. > However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per > device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are > connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever > rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device > cals. > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User > cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this > would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start > an argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Wed Jul 11 20:00:17 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > Julius, > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. > However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per > device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are > connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever > rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device > cals. > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals > so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this would > be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an > argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins Dave, sorry for the confusion - I do precisely this as well. I did see people using TS with a license for 5 and 100+ users. julius From julius at turtle.com Wed Jul 11 20:03:06 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] T.S. Licensing In-Reply-To: <057F9E8A-EA44-4E45-8030-466645A7ED08@kpj2.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Kirk Rheinlander wrote: > The number of licenses is a matter of 2 attributes; 1) what defines a > user, and 2) how is this user count measured? I would make the > argument that, in order to provide measurable proof of # of users, > one would need to use the official Microsoft license management > output. If that tool, provided by the governing authority for > managing licenses of their own product, reports each service as one > license used, then the governing authority has spoken. As an > administrator, I have no obligation beyond reporting to Microsoft the > information provided by their official license management application. > > Logically, one would think that an end user would constitute a > license, and that would make sense, but not much in the EULA > agreements makes logical sense, and I would think that sticking by > the letter of the law, using the tools provided by the vendor, would > be the only legal safe way of measuring the user count, not using > logic, and definitely, not using ethics (They should get what they > give). > > --Kirk Kirk, Kirk ... with a name like yours ... ;-) Golden Rule anyone? julius From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Jul 12 09:16:07 2007 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (edwardson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:16:07 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP server as Web Cache In-Reply-To: <20070711160028.7BCE6735F2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070711160028.7BCE6735F2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4695F157.700@cscoms.com> Hi, Is it possible to configure the LTSP server as Web cache for the clients as well? Thanks in advance. Regards, Edward From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 09:36:07 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:36:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP server as Web Cache In-Reply-To: <4695F157.700@cscoms.com> References: <20070711160028.7BCE6735F2@hormel.redhat.com> <4695F157.700@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <200707120536.07559.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 12 July 2007 05:16, edwardson wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to configure the LTSP server as Web cache for the clients > as well? > There is nothing to prevent setting up the Squid web proxy on the server and configuring the browsers to use it, no matter which machines the browsers are running on. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Jul 12 14:24:17 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:24:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] $99 - this might make a good thin client In-Reply-To: <000f01c7b762$ff784aa0$6402a8c0@fredm> References: <29AEB552E5D40645BA38E82F0939CB082920DE@MAIL-EXCH.bio-chemvalve.com> <000f01c7b762$ff784aa0$6402a8c0@fredm> Message-ID: <46963991.5000804@bio-chemvalve.com> Just for the record, I called and left a message w/ some questions for these guys, but they never got back to me. -Rob Fred McFall wrote: > The address and phone numbers for the manufacturer are on this page: > http://www.dataevolution.com/contact%202.htm > > have fun! > > Fred McFall > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of David Trask > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Cc: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] $99 - this might make a good thin client > > "Support list for open source software in schools." on > Monday, June 25, 2007 at 7:53 AM +0000 wrote: > >> http://p2pnet.net/story/12567 >> >> It even comes w/ a 10GB hard drive. I'd like to see if they would give >> a price break w/ no hard drive. >> >> Also, I couldn't find any information on PXE capability. Worst case you >> could install the bootloader code on the hard drive. >> >> I'll try to call them later -- I couldn't find an email address for the >> company. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Let us know what you find out :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 18:30:04 2007 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:30:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Recognizing K12 FLOSS Pioneers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Huffman and Laura Taylor from the Indiana INACCESS program are planning an international conference October 9 - 11 in Indianapolis to explore the benefits of FLOSS in education. The preliminary website is at http://www.centerdigitaled.com/conference.php?confid=378. This is going to be a large, professionally-planned event, using the services of the Center for Digital Education for much of the logistical planning. I've suggested that there have been a lot of folks who've been involved in years of grass-roots efforts to bring FLOSS into K-12 schools, and we need to make sure that they are recognized, informed on the conference planning, and given a chance to give input. Would you please take a minute to add your name (if you feel you are in that group) and the names of others that you feel have really helped the cause over the years. I've added a page to my K12 Open Source wiki where you can add names: http://k12opensource.wikispaces.com/recognition. I'll also keep posting updates to this and other mailing lists. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com www.SteveHargadon.com 916-899-1400 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 12 20:21:51 2007 From: acontreras at walkerville.k12.mi.us (Amy Contreras) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:21:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: AD Integration References: <20070711160028.47E5C736F4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <046EEACD0B2D9244AFAB17D8991FC79DBDFDCD@netsrv.walkerville.k12.mi.us> Yes, I was finally able to. I took the advice of trying sadms as others on the listserv recommended and it worked great. I could then login as a user from our Active Directory. The only thing now I'm having problems with is not being able to access files from the Windows home directory in Linux. PAM is installed via sadms. I added our file server name as the home server and k for the home share. Our home directories are on a file server on their own drive (K:), categorized by graduation year. Is this possible or do I need to have them all in one folder and not seperated by graduation date? Also, do I need to add the drive letter of where our Windows home directory's are located in the smb.conf file so it knows where to look at? I'm asking because I've seen such entries in other examples. There maybe an easier solution with sadms but not sure how to go about it. Thanks, Amy > Thanks Ray! I was able to get in by using ssh as root and was able to > make the adjustments I needed to. I apologize for not thinking of that > myself. I'm still rather new to K12LTSP. > > Amy > That's great. No need to apologize Amy, I've forgotten many things myself. A little nudge here and there and you'll be sailing on your own. Now, if I can only get one of my staff to ask for help ... Were you able to get your system working with AD? Ray Garza Coordinator of Computer Services Speer Memorial Library From rgm at htt-consult.com Thu Jul 12 12:08:35 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:08:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <4635E771.4050004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <46304F50.3060309@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <469619C3.7040704@htt-consult.com> Brian Chivers wrote back on 04/30/2007 08:56 AM: > I've just got the smbldap installer working with CentOS 5 with a bit > of a "hack" for the renaming of dag to rpmforge. > > If anyone would like it completely untested that is please let me know > and I'll mail it over So do we have CentOS 5 support 'working yet'? On http://majen.net/smbldap/, the current version is 3.1.1, created 4/30/07. Centos 5/RHEL5/FC6 performs so much better than 4.x... > > Brian > > Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> BTW, >> >> I copy the CDs to a server, the do a 'linux askmethod' at the >> prompt. One CD 1 is needed in the install machine, the install goes >> faster, and no CD read errors.. >> >> I use an FTP server, HTTP and NFS are also options. >> >> Brian Chivers wrote: >>> I've got a nice empty test box setup on the bench with all the >>> Centos disk >>> ready to have a go one Monday. >>> >>> I'm starting with a basic i386 install before I move to the actual >>> servers >>> that I'm going to use the x86_64 version on >>> >>> I'll let you know how I get on. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>>> Brian Chivers wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the pointers guys. >>>>> >>>>> What I'll do is have a look though the packages that the installer >>>>> script uses for CentOS 4.4 and then try to find the relevent packages >>>>> either via one of the 7 CD's or Yum etc. >>>>> >>>>> When I'm done I'll let you guys know so people don't have to reinvent >>>>> the wheel :-) >>>>> >>>> It would be nice if you are able to actually change the script and get >>>> it out. >>>> >>>> I have already built my Centos 5 box ready to install. Right now I am >>>> fighting on another Centos 5 box that is the DNS server. It turns out >>>> that RedHat 'altered' how BIND is installed with Enterprise 5, and on >>>> Bugzilla, they are saying that what they did is ok and asking for the >>>> particular bug report to be closed. >>>> >>>> I think I have enough figured out so that now I can just get the >>>> chrooted files where I want them and then set up the proper sym >>>> lins to >>>> /etc. >>>> >>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234508 >>>> >>>> It is interesting to see how the Centos community is finding things >>>> that >>>> RedHat will have to fix before their customers hit them.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> John Lucas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If I were deploying on a production system, I would pre-install the >>>>>> needed packages from the most suitable yum repositories (i.e. dag's >>>>>> "el5" if missing from base and extras etc.) and then run the >>>>>> smbldap-installer script *after* installing those packages in order >>>>>> to ensure more straightforward updates in future. The right place to >>>>>> fix this is to update the scripts, but I am not a perl programmer. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'll peruse my yum log and make a list ... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:47, Tom Astle wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Lucas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the >>>>>>>>> summer >>>>>>>>> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer >>>>>>>>> script >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer >>>>>>>> (v3.1) on a >>>>>>>> CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected >>>>>>>> "centos44" >>>>>>>> as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP >>>>>>>> installed, >>>>>>>> configured and running *but* the installation script does not work >>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>> the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. >>>>>>>> Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" >>>>>>>> Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to >>>>>>>> [dag] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches >>>>>>>> Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version >>>>>>>> numbers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation >>>>>>>> collides >>>>>>>> with perl-ldap module. >>>>>>>> Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right >>>>>>>> perl-ldap and >>>>>>>> then install smbldap-tools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" >>>>>>>> repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag >>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts >>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>> be updated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the >>>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>>> step. >>>>>>>> Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more >>>>>>>> elegant way >>>>>>>> to fix it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>> >>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College From webmaster at vol.org Thu Jul 12 20:53:12 2007 From: webmaster at vol.org (George Kocke) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP server as Web Cache In-Reply-To: <4695F157.700@cscoms.com> References: <20070711160028.7BCE6735F2@hormel.redhat.com> <4695F157.700@cscoms.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/07, edwardson wrote: > Is it possible to configure the LTSP server as Web cache for the clients > as well? Yes. I have Squid (caching to a small amount of memory only) running on my LTSP server for student authentication. It points to my main Squid box. From moquist at majen.net Fri Jul 13 02:56:21 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:56:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <469619C3.7040704@htt-consult.com> References: <4635E771.4050004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <469619C3.7040704@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <20070713025621.GA26191@majen.net> I apologize for having failed so badly to keep up with CentOS support. A couple people have sent patches to me, but I've lost them in the maze of my inbox. If you sent me a patch for distro_data.pm I'll put it straight in (testing is up to you :). Thanks, Matt > Brian Chivers wrote back on 04/30/2007 08:56 AM: > >I've just got the smbldap installer working with CentOS 5 with a bit > >of a "hack" for the renaming of dag to rpmforge. > > > >If anyone would like it completely untested that is please let me know > >and I'll mail it over > So do we have CentOS 5 support 'working yet'? > > On http://majen.net/smbldap/, the current version is 3.1.1, created 4/30/07. > > Centos 5/RHEL5/FC6 performs so much better than 4.x... > > > >Brian -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 13 17:17:06 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:17:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070713170201.M19026@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:18:22 -0400, Shane Sammons wrote > Has anyone used the older PowerMac G3's that are encased in an all in one > unit as Thin Clients? I searched the Wiki to no avail. I believe it can > network boot. However, I had no luck in doing so. I have only been able to > get GX1's booting from my test server. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to push this project > forward to make a Library free of OS X systems we could use elsewhere to > make an entire second lab. > > Thanks for any help > --Shane I was able to boot some 5500's via instructions I received from Chuck Liebow a few years back. I wasn't happy enough with the performance from them. I think the same stuff could be used with G3 all-in-one's but if I remember right there was trouble getting a NIC that would work. The built in NIC is 10MB which isn't really sufficient, and there was only one or two add in NIC's that would work. Here is a website that describes configuring the nubus macs to work (ie 5500's) http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/champion_server/LTSP/ I really don't remember the particulars but I think the problem was definitely the NIC. What may be an easier solution is to find an old version of Yellow Dog Linux that would load on these machines with a minimal install and configure to do an X -query 192.168.1.254 or something on startup. This might be the easiest way to get all of the hardware recognized (along with a 100MB add-in nic which would be crucial for good performance) yet still be able to connect to the ltsp server. With a 100MB nic those machines should be great clients as they are the same specs as a Bondi iMac. If you can't get this to work, if you have any Bondi Blue iMacs (they actually look like a crappy green) laying around these would be your best option as they have a new enough firmware to support network booting and you can hardcode the firmware to boot right to ltsp without any user interaction or local software. Good luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From shane.sammons at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 19:58:55 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:58:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: <20070713170201.M19026@winonacotter.org> References: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> <20070713170201.M19026@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <3610bbec0707131258wff1e19dq464235968d9d6eab@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Jim, I found good instruction from NetBSD on those AIO G3's. It talks about how the firmware needs to be upgraded and a file placed in it or instructions given to it...haven't processed it all yet. I am going to give that a try on Monday. I think some of the ones we have MAY have come with 100MB, I will have to check into that. If they are 10Mb yeah that just might make it a bit too slow as i used a 10T hub to test thing to start and it was pretty slow. If anyone is interested http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html was the link for diskless NetBSD booting I was referring too. The kind folks in #ltsp on irc.freenode.net gave me that link. On 7/13/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:18:22 -0400, Shane Sammons wrote > > Has anyone used the older PowerMac G3's that are encased in an all in > one > > unit as Thin Clients? I searched the Wiki to no avail. I believe it can > > network boot. However, I had no luck in doing so. I have only been able > to > > get GX1's booting from my test server. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to push this project > > forward to make a Library free of OS X systems we could use elsewhere to > > make an entire second lab. > > > > Thanks for any help > > --Shane > > I was able to boot some 5500's via instructions I received from Chuck > Liebow a few years > back. I wasn't happy enough with the performance from them. I think the > same stuff > could be used with G3 all-in-one's but if I remember right there was > trouble getting a > NIC that would work. The built in NIC is 10MB which isn't really > sufficient, and there > was only one or two add in NIC's that would work. Here is a website that > describes > configuring the nubus macs to work (ie 5500's) > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/champion_server/LTSP/ > I really don't remember the particulars but I think the problem was > definitely the NIC. > > What may be an easier solution is to find an old version of Yellow Dog > Linux that would > load on these machines with a minimal install and configure to do an X > -query > 192.168.1.254 or something on startup. This might be the easiest way to > get all of the > hardware recognized (along with a 100MB add-in nic which would be crucial > for good > performance) yet still be able to connect to the ltsp server. 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I do believe > OpenOffice.org embeds fonts into exported PDF documents by default. This has not been my experience. Will check again and be back. However any one else who can confirm this? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 14 08:43:38 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:43:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PowerMac G3 All in Ones In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0707131258wff1e19dq464235968d9d6eab@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0707102018y16644a27m8f30e584df912635@mail.gmail.com> <20070713170201.M19026@winonacotter.org> <3610bbec0707131258wff1e19dq464235968d9d6eab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46988CBA.7040502@cmosnetworks.com> I've used Power Mac 5260's before during K12LTSP demos using Skip Gaede's Mach kernel. They not only are 10Mbps, but also 640x480x256! Surprisingly, they were actually usable as K12LTSP thin clients. But iMac G3's are way better, and that's because of A.) the higher video resolution available, and B.) the 100Mbps video cards. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Shane Sammons wrote: > Thanks Jim, I found good instruction from NetBSD on those AIO G3's. It > talks about how the firmware needs to be upgraded and a file placed in > it or instructions given to it...haven't processed it all yet. I am > going to give that a try on Monday. I think some of the ones we have > MAY have come with 100MB, I will have to check into that. If they are > 10Mb yeah that just might make it a bit too slow as i used a 10T hub > to test thing to start and it was pretty slow. > > If anyone is interested > http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html was the > link for diskless NetBSD booting I was referring too. The kind folks > in #ltsp on irc.freenode.net gave me that link. > > On 7/13/07, *Jim Kronebusch* > wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:18:22 -0400, Shane Sammons wrote > > Has anyone used the older PowerMac G3's that are encased in an > all in one > > unit as Thin Clients? I searched the Wiki to no avail. I believe > it can > > network boot. However, I had no luck in doing so. I have only > been able to > > get GX1's booting from my test server. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to push this > project > > forward to make a Library free of OS X systems we could use > elsewhere to > > make an entire second lab. > > > > Thanks for any help > > --Shane > > I was able to boot some 5500's via instructions I received from > Chuck Liebow a few years > back. I wasn't happy enough with the performance from them. I > think the same stuff > could be used with G3 all-in-one's but if I remember right there > was trouble getting a > NIC that would work. The built in NIC is 10MB which isn't really > sufficient, and there > was only one or two add in NIC's that would work. Here is a > website that describes > configuring the nubus macs to work (ie 5500's) > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/champion_server/LTSP/ > I really don't remember the particulars but I think the problem > was definitely the NIC. > > What may be an easier solution is to find an old version of Yellow > Dog Linux that would > load on these machines with a minimal install and configure to do > an X -query > 192.168.1.254 or something on > startup. This might be the easiest way to get all of the > hardware recognized (along with a 100MB add-in nic which would be > crucial for good > performance) yet still be able to connect to the ltsp > server. With a 100MB nic those > machines should be great clients as they are the same specs as a > Bondi iMac. > > If you can't get this to work, if you have any Bondi Blue iMacs > (they actually look like > a crappy green) laying around these would be your best option as > they have a new enough > firmware to support network booting and you can hardcode the > firmware to boot right to > ltsp without any user interaction or local software. > > Good luck. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Jul 14 18:25:27 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:25:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments Message-ID: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Hi fellow k12osn - hope you have a few minutes to read and contribute in helping build a counter argument to the post below. I am looking to see 1) has anybody seen these arguments before (authenticity) 2) are you in a position to share counter-arguments (data/experiences/logic)? 3) Do you know of scholarly sources to accomplish #2? ========================== post ============================ "Here is what I have seen from the Open Source Community: MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the big guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a generation behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a bad thing. However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go into the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making something that is ALMOST like the original." Sounds fair huh? Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that tries to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. But, GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like many other commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them that simply cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, peripherals, books, training video, websites, all revolve around the commercial products. I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in fact, a terrible misstatement. Is a Steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse the same as a steak at Golden Corral? No, it is not. Yes, they are both steaks, but they are not the same. The experience is different, the taste is different. Yes, they will both fill you up, but... Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book about how paying for software was so bad... Cost of the Book: $18.00. It seems paying for something is okay, as long as it is OS stuff..." ====================== end of post =================================== Thanks for the help Alan El Paso TX -=o=- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jul 14 20:30:02 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:30:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <9CADC43C-CC3A-4A47-AA9B-DDC4620AFE0E@mindfirestudios.com> On Jul 14, 2007, at 1:25 PM, ahodson wrote: > Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest > Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that > tries to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they > do not. But, GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like > many other commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them > that simply cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, > peripherals, books, training video, websites, all revolve around > the commercial product. > The ecosystem doesn't exist because the product is closed source, it exists because Photoshop has been around a long time and has a lot of users. Look at the ecosystem around Firefox. There are tons and tons of great extensions and plugins for Firefox. Far more than any other browser. It's true that Photoshop has functionality that GIMP doesn't, and the reverse is true as well. There are a few little features that GIMP does that Photoshop does not (at least according to some GIMP users. I don't do much photo editing so I really can't tell you.) GIMP and Photoshop were designed to tackle similar, but not identical, tasks. GIMP wasn't originally aimed at publishing, just web graphics, so it doesn't (IIRC) support CMYK color. The broader point is that the "copycat" argument cuts both ways. Yes some OSS is simply designed to be a drop in replacement for existing closed source programs; mostly, because they simply wouldn't port the closed source software to the "small" linux market. They also couldn't be included in the linux distribution, since they are not freely re-distributable. > I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in > Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in > fact, a terrible misstatement. > This is true of any alternative to favorite program X. No two pieces of software are exactly identical. That's not an argument against open source, it's an argument that they can never switch to a different software package because it doesn't have the EXACT same feature set. Sometimes people really need a certain piece of functionality. Sometimes doing it the other way is just as good or better, but it's different, and people don't like to change. Office doesn't save to PDF. Yes you can buy another software product, but it's integrated into Open Office. Every piece of software has functionality that its competitors don't. The question is how much you heavily you depend on those features, and how exclusive are those features? > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person > without these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for > this or that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for > hardware? Why pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I > don't understand the aversion to having to pay for something. The > entire economy of the free world is based on this. You pay for > goods and services. Open Source isn't about free as in beer. Although much of the software is free of cost too . It's about openness. Dell and Exxon have a marginal cost for their product (so does the printer of the Cathedral and the Bazaar ), meaning that each additional computer or gallon of gas cost them additional money to produce. Software (like movies and other intangible things have marginal costs that are zero (or approximate zero). This means that an additional copy of Office 2007 or Firefox costs basically nothing to produce. It's all just bits. All the cost for software (and music and movies..) is upfront or fixed. This means that software can be free, as long as fixed costs are covered (These costs and payments may or may not be monetary). The writer of the C&B talks about people "scratching their own itch" (or their company's itch). You'd be surprised, but the number of people employed to write software for private use far exceeds (by like ten times) the number that write off the shelf software (stuff that others buy or license.) Most of these people aren't in the software business, so why on earth would they want to try to sell this stuff. The value is in its use. If even a small outside community wants to use or develop their software, then it's no skin off their back. Others are in a service business. They are writing this stuff to help a customer. Making it open source means they can reuse code from one project to another, regardless who has the copyright. The customer doesn't worry they will be cut off from the code base of the software they use either, they always can find someone else to develop it, even if the original developer owns the copyright. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Jul 14 20:40:02 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:40:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> All of the arguments below have some simple merit on face value. But I would put to the poster of the argument the following question (warning - there is a single question at the end of the lead up of 1400+ words -this hit a nerve): Over the last 1500 years of human development things have been done for 2 and only 2 reasons: monetary gain and philosophical ideals. Think about this a minute. People do things for money. Is that inherently bad? Or good? I would argue that it is neither. Just a hammer can build a house so can it also harm another living creature. In order to survive in the modern world, one must have the basic food, water, shelter. The acquisition of those tangible requirements for life now requires the exchange of resources mostly in the form of the local cash. There are many things that people do to get the cash they exchange for the goods the needs to live. Some are of dubious merit and others are almost noble. People do things for philosophical reasons. Some people will not spend cash in certain ways because to do so will in part support the philosophical principles they abhor. Other will spend cash because he the philosophies are enhanced that they approve of. Sometimes, people are moved to try and change the world because of an emotional experience or other times because of an intellectual analysis, either of which demonstrated a need that was previously latent. So what? How does this fit into the proposed argument that commercially produced, rights restricted to "pay us or else we'll..." software is better than software that grants the most freedoms possible to the end user and future developers? In the same way humanity has in the past held that actions done for ideals are far greater (or far more terrifying) that actions done for the acquisition of money. Is commercial, closed source software (CCSS) often times more polished than its free and open source software(FOSS) brethren? Yep. It's a lot easier to do that last 10% of clean-up and polish when everyone involved knows they won't be on the street next month because they worked on that project instead of what they otherwise do to pay the rent/mortgage. Does FOSS software often imitate CCSS? Sure. It's not that the CCSS looks bad or all does Bad Things (tm). If FOSS had the cash resources (or even a tiny fraction) that CCSS does, we wouldn't be having this discussion. CCSS would cease to exist as we know it because all of FOSS would be outstanding. Does FOSS always imitate CCSS. No. The best example of this is tabbed browsing from Firefox that has been incorporated into other browsers. Why should people pay for software? Whys should people pay for anything? Those are purely philosophical questions. From the viewpoint of the software vendor who can eat because people buy software, everyone should pay for software. From the viewpoint of the computer user, why should be effectively forced to buy anti-virus software because the software that came with their computer is basically broken. What would be the implications of a brand new car that has to get parts added to it just so it could be driven down certain streets without falling apart. Why should the car owner be liable for the defects of the manufacturer. Why should someone be forced to pay for software that does the same thing? Why should someone be forced to pay for software that states the manufacturer is not liable for anything their software does or does not do? If someone pays for software that allows them to put text on a piece of paper but that software also allows their neighbor to steal access to their back account why is not the software manufacturer held responsible. Furthermore, if a tangible item is found to be defective, people have the recourse to demand repayment and sometimes can even get reimbursed for harm caused by the defect. But software makers have a license that says in effect "if you use this product, we keep your money. We will never give you a refund. We will never allow you to sue us for damages caused by the use of our product. We don't acknowledge this software will do anything. But you paid for it and unless you AGREE to all of this, you can't use this software". This is standard license boilerplate from CCSS. So the better question is why is ANYONE willing to purchase that kind of abuse? But wait, there's more! The FOSS also has a license agreement that basically says "We don't guarantee this software will do anything. But you can take it apart if you want to and make it work for you if it doesn't. It's OK. We won't come and try and take you to jail. In fact, we want you to both help make it better and share that knowledge with everyone. And you can make copies and charge for the copies. But you can't restrict anyone else to have fewer rights than you have right now.". Hmm. So the software choices are pay for stuff that looks good but has no warranty what-so-ever and may be a legal liability issue or don't pay for software that may or may not be as polished and has similar lack of quality guarantees but has no legal implications outside of "play well with others". Sure a steak from Ruth's Chris Steak house is great. At $60 for what I had the last time I went, it had better be! Of course a steak at Golden Corral is going to be different that the Ruth's steak. But what a surprise when it tastes just as good for $8. It does happen. FOSS is also like that. Sure the CCSS can be had for big bucks. For the big bucks costs everyone should expect excellent quality and outstanding service. One can get support contracts for FOSS and get excellent quality and service. It must be noted that "economy of the free world" is an oxymoron. Here is where things get sticky. The GPL plays with this use of the word "free" as well. Most CCSS vendors use "free" to mean "has no cash value". For the CCSS vendors "value" and "worth" are only viewed their myopic cash-flow perspective. Does this mean that CCSS is possessing more "value" and "worth" than FOSS? In the eyes of the vendors it does. So if a CCSS package can do twice as much as a FOSS alternative does the FOSS alternative posses half the value and worth of the CCSS package? Hmm. That could be an interesting dilemma. But the CCSS vendors have further muddy the analysis because their products are not priced like tangible goods. It may, for the sake of argument, cost a car maker $10,000 to make a car that sells for $15,000. But software is different. Each iteration recycles the prior effort and add patches, features, etc. So the cost of each new release is spread over the lifetime of the entire product line plus each copy sold. So a CCSS application that cost $1m to create originally gets replicated over 1 million copies. Each copy costs $5 for the tangible portion and has $1 for the amortized cost of code production. Then that copy gets sold for $30. Or $300. So what? CCSS costs money. FOSS can also cost hard cash. It all boils down to philosophy. Commercial, closed-source software exists to make money. Free and open source software exists for philosophical reasons. One is greed based and the other is far more altruistic. One is trying to control the world by having acquiring the resources that everyone needs to eat while the other is trying to change the world so that everyone has the right to think and study and make improvements (and eat). This is a profound difference of thinking. Is it an either/or situation - make money OR change the world? No. There is no problem with making money in the FOSS world. It is encouraged. But not at the expense of freedom. That would not be changing the world for the better. Which finally leads to the real question to pose to the closed-source software advocate who argues that Free and Open Source software just isn't good enough, just copies things from the commercial world and in general is an economic train wreck looking to happen. So which would you rather be remembered for: making a ton of money selling stuff that didn't work that well or changing the world by empowering everyone with tools they can use and modify? On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 12:25 -0600, ahodson wrote: > Hi fellow k12osn - hope you have a few minutes to read and contribute in > helping build a counter argument to the post below. I am looking to see > 1) has anybody seen these arguments before (authenticity) > 2) are you in a position to share counter-arguments > (data/experiences/logic)? > 3) Do you know of scholarly sources to accomplish #2? > ========================== post ============================ > "Here is what I have seen from the Open Source Community: > > MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their > commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is > not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the big > guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a generation > behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a bad thing. > However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. > > IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D > arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can > write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go into > the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making something > that is ALMOST like the original." > > Sounds fair huh? > > Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest > Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that tries > to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. But, > GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like many other > commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them that simply > cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, peripherals, books, > training video, websites, all revolve around the commercial products. > > I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in > Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in fact, > a terrible misstatement. > > Is a Steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse the same as a steak at Golden > Corral? No, it is not. Yes, they are both steaks, but they are not the > same. The experience is different, the taste is different. Yes, they > will both fill you up, but... > > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why > pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the > aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free > world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. > > I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book > about how paying for software was so bad... > Cost of the Book: $18.00. > > It seems paying for something is okay, as long as it is OS stuff..." > ====================== end of post =================================== > Thanks for the help > Alan > El Paso TX > -=o=- > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Fight the Digital Divide > http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This kind of tripe is all over the Internet; probably everyone on this list has already seen these pseudo-arguments multiple times. It very often either comes from--or is used by--Microsoft's "Get the Facts" anti-Linux campaign. BTW, who wrote this? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! ahodson wrote: > Hi fellow k12osn - hope you have a few minutes to read and contribute > in helping build a counter argument to the post below. I am looking to > see > 1) has anybody seen these arguments before (authenticity) > 2) are you in a position to share counter-arguments > (data/experiences/logic)? > 3) Do you know of scholarly sources to accomplish #2? > ========================== post ============================ > "Here is what I have seen from the Open Source Community: > > MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their > commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is > not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the > big guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a > generation behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a > bad thing. However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. > Hmm...I guess that means that the Internet shouldn't exist? The TCP/IP stack that just about everybody, including Microsoft, uses, came from BSD UNIX, released under the BSD license (a Free Software license) by UC Berkeley. BIND, the Internet's DNS server and another Open Source package, literally scales to the Internet. ISC DHCPD (also Free Software) remains the canonical DHCP server for a reason; it's really good. Apache, the #1 Web server on the planet, came from NCSA HTTPD, which also was Free Software. Furthermore, Microsoft's own IIS v6.0 Web server took its modular architectural queues straight from the Free-Software Apache, which had been doing for years before then. Tatu Ylonen's Secure Shell was released originally as Free Software, and the OpenBSD team continues to extend and refine it. That's why both Cisco and Sun Microsystems use OpenSSH in their products. Yes, you read that right--Cisco. As for being "on the edge," that's how you get broken functionality. We call that "bleeding edge," and it's true regardless of which software package--or vendor, for that matter--that you choose. Ask any major enterprise outside of Microsoft how often they upgrade their really important stuff. It's not often. It's why I run CentOS-based K12LTSP instead of Fedora-based K12LTSP. I do my initial prototyping with the Fedora version--to see what's new--and the production deployment with the CentOS version. It's also why all of my Sun boxes run Ubuntu Dapper Drake LTS instead of the latest Feisty Fawn (Solaris failed our usability tests). > IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D > arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can > write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go > into the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making > something that is ALMOST like the original." > Actually, it's the other way around; see above. Microsoft wouldn't have had a TCP/IP stack without BSD UNIX. MS-DOS is itself a complete rip-off from both CP/M and BSD UNIX. Easily displaying GUI applications remotely was an innovation done by the X11 team, copied later by Citrix and Microsoft. Also, Microsoft has itself actually engaged in multiple theft instances. The most famous of them was when MS stole Stac Electronics's disk compression software, which Microsoft claimed to have "innovated" in MS-DOS 6, in total violation of Stac's copyright. Microsoft called it "DoubleSpace." Who knows what else they've ripped off, since their source code repositories are not publicly available? > Sounds fair huh? > Well, no. It is never fair when a firm like Microsoft copies someone else's functionality or even violates someone else's license and claims to have invented it...and then even tries to patent it! Talk about chutzpah! > Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest > Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that tries > to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. > But, GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like many other > commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them that simply > cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, peripherals, books, > training video, websites, all revolve around the commercial products. > Oh, really? Maybe you'd better tell that to Disney, because they not only are heavy GIMP users, they also contributed to it, creating FilmGimp. And I hear they're not the only ones.... And as for the "commercial ecosystem," puh-leeze. I walk into my local Borders bookshop and see so many Red Hat, Ubuntu, and Sendmail books that it's dizzying. Sendmail has more add-ons for it than any other MTA I've ever seen, and that includes MS Exchange. > I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in > Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in > fact, a terrible misstatement. True. It's like trying to convince an Apple Mac user (read: most American schoolteachers) to willingly go to MS Windows. Or that Microsoft Word is "just like WordPerfect." The correct question is, does the tool--F/OSS or proprietary--do the job that you need done? For Paul Nelson's graphic arts class, and several others, apparently that answer is yes, the GIMP is terrific. But if you love Photoshop, I'm not going to try to stop you. > Is a Steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse the same as a steak at Golden > Corral? No, it is not. Yes, they are both steaks, but they are not the > same. The experience is different, the taste is different. Yes, they > will both fill you up, but... Depends on the quality of the steak and your abilities as a cook. I've had $3.95 steaks in Las Vegas--quite often--that were truly delicious! The best chicken I've ever had was in Turkey, in a restaurant that you'd call a "dive", for $2.00, and the second best was in a so-called "dive" place called El Pollo Rico, in Washington, DC, which makes Peruvian-style chicken (it cost me less than $7.00). No fancy expensive restaurant has ever come close to either place. Ruth's Chris is good, no doubt...but I've out-grilled them at home several times before. What matters to me a whole lot more is that I have the freedom to either go to Ruth's Chris, or grill my own in my backyard without fear of some ridiculous "patent lawsuit" from Ruth's Chris for grilling steaks in my backyard. > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? > Why pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't > understand the aversion to having to pay for something. The entire > economy of the free world is based on this. You pay for goods and > services. That's true; why would I pay *Microsoft*...given that I don't want Microsoft's products? Now, Red Hat, that's a different story; I'll gladly pay them for their product if I find it to be the best solution for my job at hand. If not, I'll go to another F/OSS support vendor, e. g. Canonical, and buy their package. Of course, if my staff already know what they're doing with GNU/Linux, then I don't need to purchase said support contract, and I can pour that money into other areas of my business or school, e. g. buying textbooks or printer supplies. You're right...why would *anybody* willingly do business with Microsoft if they know there's a better alternative? Maybe they're getting something under the table--"co-marketing dollars", maybe? :-) > I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book > about how paying for software was so bad... > Cost of the Book: $18.00. Bull-loney. That book is about development methodology. Totally apples and oranges. The Free Software movement has never been about not making money from Free Software; matter of fact, that's a core freedom that you *must* have. Richard Stallman himself has made this clear for decades. Steer yourself on over to http://www.gnu.org's philosophy section. If you're really not either a Microsoft shill (read: "independent" tech journalist) or an MCSE scared of losing your job, then you'll actually read it. The aforementioned Red Hat seems to do quite a fine business of making money by selling bundles of Free Software and Support Services for it. So do the smaller outfits that we have contracted with at my district. For example, we paid a PERL hacker plenty of good money to add authentication and authorization to NMIS 3.3.3, to use it as a replacement for the (HORRIBLY expensive) HP OpenView Network Node Manager, which we got rid of. In the first year, that PERL hacker's work more than paid for itself. Today, NMIS 4.2.12 has that code merged in, and the upstream devs are maintaining it. > It seems paying for something is okay, as long as it is OS stuff..." No, wrong; it's about not wanting to be forced to pay for something that I don't want in the first place. What's not okay is forcing a "Microsoft tax" on people who want to buy your computer without Microsoft Windows pre-loaded on it. I don't want MS Windows, so don't try to "inextricably" bundle it with a hardware purchase. And since you mentioned Ruth's Chris, perhaps you'd like for them to bundle a chicken with that steak that you ordered--a chicken that you don't want and didn't ask for--and then expect you to pay for it? Would that be "okay"? > ====================== end of post =================================== > Thanks for the help > Alan > El Paso TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Jul 15 00:05:02 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:05:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (+++) OT: Open Source counter-arguments (+++) In-Reply-To: <46994CF1.2080304@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <46994CF1.2080304@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <469964AE.5080101@elp.rr.com> All arguments are "A+++ MUST READ," especially for those of us that work with superiors who "don't get it"- they've been ported over to the site: http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ (Let's talk about Open Source) Feel free to send more arguments directly to the blog (moderation:on) A cool chance to vent our frustrations... alan -=o=- From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 15 01:01:53 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:01:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <46997201.6040509@futuresource.com> ahodson wrote: > MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their > commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is > not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the big > guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a generation > behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a bad thing. > However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. By 'on the edge', do you mean you are willing to use a product available only from a single vendor, and put all of your own efforts at risk of the whims of that vendor and whether they will be around next year? Since AT&T published the SVID in 1986 (because the government at the time sensibly would not take bids for things only available from a single vendor), things running on unix-like systems don't have to worry about the demise of their operating system or processor type since porting across wildly different systems is very easy, if needed at all. > IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D > arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can > write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go into > the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making something > that is ALMOST like the original." > > Sounds fair huh? Your are being very selective about where you start looking for innovations and what kind of product is involved. Go back to the beginning when Sun and Cisco were startups and find where the code was developed that allowed them to interoperate. If we didn't have the free TCP reference code, we couldn't be having this conversation right now. If we had any networking, it would be isolated sections controlled separately by different vendors. And if you are talking about Microsoft, what were they selling in 1984 as Cisco started to connect the world based on this free standard protocol? A very limited single user, single user OS that sort-of emulated the even more limited CP/M system - was that innovation? > I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book > about how paying for software was so bad... > Cost of the Book: $18.00. As I recall, the book was about software design methods, not so much the cost. As in, is it better to have many contributors adding parts that work the way they need them to work in practice, or someone isolated from the program's real use building something he thinks might be flashy enough to make a sale? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From rowens at ptd.net Sun Jul 15 01:19:10 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:19:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070715011910.GA7164@clubber.owens.net> Off the top of my head, here are 2 pieces of open source software that are superior to any closed-source software I've seen: BackupPC and LTSP I won't pretend to be an expert on backup software, but I can tell you that 3 different paid consultants to my company (my day job is doing mechanical engineering) recommended closed-source backup software that is clearly inferior to BackupPC. Then there's LTSP. Is there even a closed-source competitor to this software? Yeah, there's Windows Terminal Server, but doesn't it require a local operating system to be loaded before you connect to the server? (I'm really not sure, so somebody speak up if I'm wrong here). Does it let you boot a diskless client over the network? Does it let you take a "junk" P2 machine and turn it into something usable? Like I said, I'm not an expert on the functionality of Windows Terminal Server, so somebody please speak up if it actually can do all of these things. I should also mention rsync. I've spoken w/ 3 different paid consultants who specialize in supporting commercial software, and they were astonished when I told them that Linux and rsync could transfer partial files. One guy didn't even believe me. Is there an equivalent in commercial software? I'm not aware of one, but maybe it's out there. -Rob On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:25:27PM -0600, ahodson wrote: > Hi fellow k12osn - hope you have a few minutes to read and contribute in > helping build a counter argument to the post below. I am looking to see > 1) has anybody seen these arguments before (authenticity) > 2) are you in a position to share counter-arguments > (data/experiences/logic)? > 3) Do you know of scholarly sources to accomplish #2? > ========================== post ============================ > "Here is what I have seen from the Open Source Community: > > MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their > commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is > not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the big > guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a generation > behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a bad thing. > However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. > > IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D > arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can > write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go into > the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making something > that is ALMOST like the original." > > Sounds fair huh? > > Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest > Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that tries > to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. But, > GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like many other > commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them that simply > cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, peripherals, books, > training video, websites, all revolve around the commercial products. > > I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in > Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in fact, > a terrible misstatement. > > Is a Steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse the same as a steak at Golden > Corral? No, it is not. Yes, they are both steaks, but they are not the > same. The experience is different, the taste is different. Yes, they > will both fill you up, but... > > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why > pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the > aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free > world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. > > I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book > about how paying for software was so bad... > Cost of the Book: $18.00. > > It seems paying for something is okay, as long as it is OS stuff..." > ====================== end of post =================================== > Thanks for the help > Alan > El Paso TX > -=o=- > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Fight the Digital Divide > http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 15 01:40:13 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:40:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <20070715011910.GA7164@clubber.owens.net> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <20070715011910.GA7164@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <46997AFD.8080509@futuresource.com> Rob Owens wrote: > I should also mention rsync. I've spoken w/ 3 different paid > consultants who specialize in supporting commercial software, and they > were astonished when I told them that Linux and rsync could transfer > partial files. One guy didn't even believe me. Is there an equivalent > in commercial software? I'm not aware of one, but maybe it's out there. There might be something else that works between similar systems, but rsync will work cross-platform between Windows, Macs, and about any flavor of unix-like system. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rowens at ptd.net Sun Jul 15 01:42:07 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:42:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070715014207.GB7164@clubber.owens.net> Regarding open source stuff being a copy of commercial software: In some cases this may be true. For instance, (in my opinion) OpenOffice is heavily modeled after MS Word and Excel. Of course, MS Word was pretty similar to other word processors--how different can you make them? At some point, when people are used to doing things a certain way and seeing things that look a certain way, those things become a design standard. Take automobiles, for instance. Most of them are designed very similarly: engine in front, 4 wheels, windows that roll down, the controls are all in the same place as the last car you drove, etc. If you made a car that was too different, people wouldn't like it simply because it's not what they're used to. Let's get back to OpenOffice again. Instead of bashing OpenOffice as a less-functional rip-off of MS Office, maybe we should take the time to thank them. The first time I used MS Word, it was version 5.5 and it did everything I needed it to do. How many versions of MS Word have most people paid for since version 5.5? What OpenOffice has done for the world is they've said "OK Microsoft, enough is enough. How many times are you going to charge us for the same software?" The only most people ever "upgrade" to the next version of Word is because somebody else did and they needed to maintain compatibility. OpenOffice empowers people to break the senseless and eternal upgrade cycle of MS Office. Sure it might mean that MS is going to sell less copies of Office. But if MS was actually selling new stuff instead of the same software over and over again, they wouldn't have to worry about OpenOffice. The original poster seems to be embracing/defending capitalism, but this is capitalism at its finest: competition yields improvement (and survival of the fittest). MS has stifled commercial competition for so long, that a bunch of hobbyists in their spare time have produced products which rival what MS and all its $billions have produced. -Rob On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:25:27PM -0600, ahodson wrote: > Hi fellow k12osn - hope you have a few minutes to read and contribute in > helping build a counter argument to the post below. I am looking to see > 1) has anybody seen these arguments before (authenticity) > 2) are you in a position to share counter-arguments > (data/experiences/logic)? > 3) Do you know of scholarly sources to accomplish #2? > ========================== post ============================ > "Here is what I have seen from the Open Source Community: > > MOST, not all, of the programs are a generation or two BEHIND their > commercial counterparts. That is because the open source community is > not so much innovative, rather imitative. They wait and see what the big > guys are doing and then imitate it. So, if you want to be a generation > behind, then you use open source. So be it. That is not a bad thing. > However, I prefer to be on the edge, for the most part. > > IN essence, the OS community uses the software companies as their R&D > arms, waiting to see what the next innovation will be that they can > write into their software. They then copy the innovation, let it go into > the open source world, and say "look how good we are at making something > that is ALMOST like the original." > > Sounds fair huh? > > Look at GIMP for instance. Whenever Adobe comes out with the latest > Photoshop, THEN the GIMP community comes out with an update that tries > to match the feature set. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. But, > GIMP is NOT Photoshop. That is because Photoshop, like many other > commercial programs, have an ecosystem built around them that simply > cannot be matched by the OS community. Plug Ins, peripherals, books, > training video, websites, all revolve around the commercial products. > > I can get something that MAY be like the plug in I want to use in > Photoshop, but to say a program IS JUST LIKE another program is in fact, > a terrible misstatement. > > Is a Steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse the same as a steak at Golden > Corral? No, it is not. Yes, they are both steaks, but they are not the > same. The experience is different, the taste is different. Yes, they > will both fill you up, but... > > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why > pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the > aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free > world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. > > I always go back to the book [], the Cathedral and the Bazaar: A book > about how paying for software was so bad... > Cost of the Book: $18.00. > > It seems paying for something is okay, as long as it is OS stuff..." > ====================== end of post =================================== > Thanks for the help > Alan > El Paso TX > -=o=- > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Fight the Digital Divide > http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Sun Jul 15 01:47:14 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:47:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070715014714.GC7164@clubber.owens.net> OK, one last post and then I'll shut up! (see below) On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:25:27PM -0600, ahodson wrote: > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why > pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the > aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free > world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. In my case: Q: Why pay for that new part for my truck? A: I don't, because I can use a junkyard part and make it fit with the help of my welder and other tools. Q: Why pay for that new shirt when I could make one myself? A: I pay for it because I think it's worth it. You pay for goods and services...when they are worth it. -Rob From accessys at smart.net Sun Jul 15 02:42:11 2007 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <20070715014714.GC7164@clubber.owens.net> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <20070715014714.GC7164@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: "FRee speech not Free beer"! Bob On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Rob Owens wrote: > OK, one last post and then I'll shut up! (see below) > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:25:27PM -0600, ahodson wrote: > > Finally, you cannot be in any conversation with an OS person without > > these words being uttered: "Why should we pay Microsoft for this or > > that?" Interesting. Why pay for anything? Why pay Dell for hardware? Why > > pay AT&T for connectivity? Why pay EXXON for gas? I don't understand the > > aversion to having to pay for something. The entire economy of the free > > world is based on this. You pay for goods and services. > > In my case: > Q: Why pay for that new part for my truck? A: I don't, because I can > use a junkyard part and make it fit with the help of my welder and other > tools. > Q: Why pay for that new shirt when I could make one myself? A: I pay > for it because I think it's worth it. > > You pay for goods and services...when they are worth it. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From bthomas at bhbl.org Sun Jul 15 03:05:06 2007 From: bthomas at bhbl.org (Brad Thomas) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:05:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >So which would you rather be remembered for: making a ton of money >selling stuff that didn't work that well or changing the world by >empowering everyone with tools they can use and modify? This question made me think of the iPod (and Steve Jobs) -- does it (he) fit either category? I don't think it (he) does. It's great hardware and, combined with iTunes (and the fact that Jobs got major corporations to agree to distribute their music on-line), it created a cultural revolution (podcasting, etc.). The iPhone may have similar effects. Jobs wants to both create great products and make money. He benefits, but so do consumers who buy the iPod. As for the original question, I don't know that I would even bother responding to that post. That guy and you (or anyone else who really gets FOSS -- which is more about "open" than "free," though the "free" is still very important) operate with very different basic assumptions (and maybe understandings -- for example, I wonder if that post was written by a guy who actually codes and experiences the simple joy of writing a script that solves a problem or adds a useful feature to another program). He doesn't get the "open" part, but he also doesn't get the information/digital economy part -- code (like other information) can move anywhere almost immediately for almost no cost (as you stated -- no marginal cost), and for many different reasons. The kid who wrote the code that led to Kaaza, Limewire, and other p2p software was angry about Napster getting shut down (he posted his code that very day). Torvalds simply saw a need and filled it. Others put out open source code simply to get the ball rolling on a project in the hopes that others will do additional work that they themselves do not want to do (but want to use). Imagine if Mother Teresa was a coder and did her best to help the poor by writing code instead of providing food and shelter (I am sure there are a few people like that around). My point is that the original intentions often don't matter -- digital media combined with worldwide networks equals fast and vast transformation that combines open and closed systems (Apple's OS X is built on top of Unix -- is it open or closed?), paid-for and free software. A debate framed as: "Open source software simply copies/doesn't copy paid software," in my view, isn't worth having. From an educator's perspective the only question is: What is the cost/benefit of this technology in terms of making students as capable (informed, skilled, etc.) as possible? Cheers, Brad From rgm at htt-consult.com Sun Jul 15 06:39:28 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:39:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The decTOP as a LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <46963991.5000804@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <29AEB552E5D40645BA38E82F0939CB082920DE@MAIL-EXCH.bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <4699C120.4090806@htt-consult.com> After seeing the message attached, I went and looked at the decTOP. Quite a deal.... And it got me thinking. I log my workhorse notebook and my corp notebook when I travel. Workhorse is Linux, corp is XP. Perhaps I should set up an LTSP server for all of my Linux work.... But it has to be small, cheap, and run on batteries.... For right now I am going to look at installing k12ltsp on a drive to slip into my workhorse notebook to try it out. Rob Owens wrote: > Just for the record, I called and left a message w/ some questions for > these guys, but they never got back to me. > > -Rob > > Fred McFall wrote: >> The address and phone numbers for the manufacturer are on this page: >> http://www.dataevolution.com/contact%202.htm >> >> have fun! >> >> Fred McFall >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf >> Of David Trask >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Cc: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] $99 - this might make a good thin client >> >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> on >> Monday, June 25, 2007 at 7:53 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>> http://p2pnet.net/story/12567 >>> >>> It even comes w/ a 10GB hard drive. I'd like to see if they would give >>> a price break w/ no hard drive. >>> Also, I couldn't find any information on PXE capability. Worst case >>> you >>> could install the bootloader code on the hard drive. >>> I'll try to call them later -- I couldn't find an email address for the >>> company. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> Let us know what you find out :-) >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From list at nettrust.com Sun Jul 15 13:23:31 2007 From: list at nettrust.com (Greg X) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:23:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless bridge setup for classroom clusters of thin-clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: please see this image http://tmaedu.com/tmp/classroom-wireless.png i'm looking for network configuration help for setting up DD-WRT router firmware on two Buffalo WHT-G125 routers in a bridge configuration to allow thin-client PC's connected to bridge router to issue their boot image requests to the LTSP server. can someone suggest the DD-WRT network config to support this? the WHT-G125 has a 125mb/s mode that should support the speed needed for 4 terminals per classroom we require. i'll also turn the transmit power down from 28mw to 10mw so that multiple adjacent classrooms won't collide. thanks. From rgm at htt-consult.com Sun Jul 15 14:13:09 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:13:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless bridge setup for classroom clusters of thin-clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469A2B75.2050208@htt-consult.com> Greg X wrote: > please see this image http://tmaedu.com/tmp/classroom-wireless.png > > i'm looking for network configuration help for setting up DD-WRT > router firmware on two Buffalo WHT-G125 routers in a bridge > configuration to allow thin-client PC's connected to bridge router to > issue their boot image requests to the LTSP server. > > can someone suggest the DD-WRT network config to support this? > > the WHT-G125 has a 125mb/s mode that should support the speed needed > for 4 terminals per classroom we require. i'll also turn the transmit > power down from 28mw to 10mw so that multiple adjacent classrooms > won't collide. Run your backbone (wireless bridges, WDS, pre-802.11s (we are having more 11s debates next week)) over 802.11a (5.6Ghz). The 24 channels for 11a give you about 11 usable channels and they don't interfere with your classroom 11b. 11a limitations are poorer wall penetration, and range. Also important is setting each classroom up as a different SSID. DO NOT hide the SSIDs. No practical value (I wrote the paper on 'The Myth of Hiding SSIDs'). The 'terminals' will function better wirelessly with the APs being discoverable via SSIDs. Your standard 11b/g channel usage is: 1,6,11. These three channels give you excellent 2D coverage (3D though really needs 4 channels). From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 15 16:09:37 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:09:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> Brad Thomas wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> So which would you rather be remembered for: making a ton of money >> selling stuff that didn't work that well or changing the world by >> empowering everyone with tools they can use and modify? >> > > This question made me think of the iPod (and Steve Jobs) -- does it (he) > fit either category? I don't think it (he) does. It's great hardware and, > combined with iTunes (and the fact that Jobs got major corporations to > agree to distribute their music on-line), it created a cultural revolution > (podcasting, etc.). The iPhone may have similar effects. Jobs wants to > both create great products and make money. He benefits, but so do > consumers who buy the iPod. Actually, it was a combination of Napster, MP3.com, and the Diamond "Rio" MP3 player that created that cultural revolution, not Steve Jobs and his iPod/iTunes. The latter is a Johnny-come-lately that uses Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) to essentially force you to "rent" your music instead of buy it. That's how it got blessed by the big music studios (their fright of another Napster somewhere showing up jolted them awake). The problem for the end users is that, with Apple's iTunes, you're restricted as hell with what you can do w/ the music that you paid for. And Apple keeps changing the rules, never in the users' favor. Jobs had an empire before, with the Apple II, until IBM came along with its IBM PC that used actual open specs. Jobs had another chance with the Mac...and he stayed too closed and proprietary, losing that market to Microsoft (MS was, at the time, considerably more open than Apple). Now he has an empire again (the iPod), and he's making the same mistakes...again. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 15 18:32:00 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > The problem for the end users is that, with Apple's iTunes, you're > restricted as hell with what you can do w/ the music that you paid for. > And Apple keeps changing the rules, never in the users' favor. That's starting to change - the itunes store now offers DRM-free tracks for some of their content. And there's the whole concept of podcasting with hundreds of topics on the itunes store (free) that probably wouldn't exist without the ipod. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 15 22:30:52 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> The problem for the end users is that, with Apple's iTunes, you're >> restricted as hell with what you can do w/ the music that you paid >> for. And Apple keeps changing the rules, never in the users' favor. > > That's starting to change - the itunes store now offers DRM-free > tracks for some of their content. And there's the whole concept of > podcasting with hundreds of topics on the itunes store (free) that > probably wouldn't exist without the ipod. Yes, I read about that DRM-free bit with EMI's tracks. That's a good first step. A good second step would be to quit the ridiculous patent-encumbrance on its (still Apple-only) AAC music format. --TP From Matthew.Armitage at sd72.bc.ca Mon Jul 16 04:07:05 2007 From: Matthew.Armitage at sd72.bc.ca (Matthew Armitage) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:07:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit Client NIC Message-ID: <469A8C790200009A00001E48@smtp7.gov.bc.ca> Hey Guys, We're evaluating a number of new thin clients at our school district here and I'm having a bit of an issue. Here's the scenario: I'm using K12LTSP EL5 on the server side One of the terminals (an HP thin client with a 10/100 NIC) boots fine and runs great Three of the new terminals we're testing have gigabit NICs (Realtek 8168b) and refuse to boot The three gig capable clients all kernel panic when they try to load the network driver. The boot gives me a error stating that the network card was not detected. Now I'm guessing that this means the LTSP kernel that is included in K12LTSP EL5 doesn't have gigabit network support enabled. So, my question is, how do I get this support into the client's kernel? Hopefully you guys can help me out, because I'm not really keen on the HP clients. We're hoping to be able to transition to a system similar to Kamloops in the future and I'm not convinced that they will be useful at that point. Thanks in advance, Matthew Armitage, Technician, SD72 (Campbell River) From daengbo at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 05:36:41 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:36:41 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Well, in my opinion, FOSS apps can be divided into three categories: 1) developed as FOSS by an individual or small team, 2) developed as FOSS by a corporation, agency, or large non-profit, and 3) developed as proprietary software then converted to FOSS. Most of the big desktop Linux stuff falls into category 3 -- OO.o, Netscape -> Mozilla -> Firefox, Blender, and Xara Xtreme. I find lots of people extolling the virtues of this software and counting on it to save the FOSS desktop. This seems misguided to me. They are invariably the most feature-complete of the lot, but are often slow dogs which I hate using. Category 2 contains a lot of the other big names: Emacs, Gnome, Apache, X. Where FOSS excels is in small, single purpose apps developed in category 1. Who can claim that BitTorrent was riding someone's coat tails? Even the really big stuff under Gnome is not nearly as useful as the little pieces of code glued together. KDE does the glue thing wonderfully and has has the most capable and flexible desktop for some time (though I don't liek or use it). Ultimately, in the area where a developer or small team can make significant contributions, FOSS leads proprietary software virtually every time. The coder's imagination is the only limit. There are many innovative FOSS programs which no one uses or has heard of because they go too far outside of the norm. Where there is an established standard for something, the most stable and secure implementation almost always comes out of FOSS. Many eyes make all bugs shallow, so they say. FOSS programs which grow too big invariably need to get cut up and modularized so that they can be understood and worked on like category three programs. Firefox beat Mozilla for this reason. X.org is making great strides now that it is modularized to some extent. Apache is the same. Linux, well ... FOSS is built on the backs of individual coders. It doesn't manage projects well. Keep everything small and agile, and FOSS will win. Dan On 7/16/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > > > >> The problem for the end users is that, with Apple's iTunes, you're > >> restricted as hell with what you can do w/ the music that you paid > >> for. And Apple keeps changing the rules, never in the users' favor. > > > > That's starting to change - the itunes store now offers DRM-free > > tracks for some of their content. And there's the whole concept of > > podcasting with hundreds of topics on the itunes store (free) that > > probably wouldn't exist without the ipod. > Yes, I read about that DRM-free bit with EMI's tracks. That's a good > first step. A good second step would be to quit the ridiculous > patent-encumbrance on its (still Apple-only) AAC music format. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timlegge at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 12:08:11 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:08:11 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit Client NIC In-Reply-To: <469A8C790200009A00001E48@smtp7.gov.bc.ca> References: <469A8C790200009A00001E48@smtp7.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: On 7/16/07, Matthew Armitage wrote: > The three gig capable clients all kernel panic when they try to load the network driver. The boot gives me a error stating that the network card was not detected. Now I'm guessing that this means the LTSP kernel that is included in K12LTSP EL5 doesn't have gigabit network support enabled. > So, my question is, how do I get this support into the client's kernel? > Hopefully you guys can help me out, because I'm not really keen on the HP clients. We're hoping to be able to transition to a system similar to Kamloops in the future and I'm not convinced that they will be useful at that point. > Thanks in advance, The driver is probably there but not being loaded because the NICs pci id are not in the NICLIST (I think that is the name) file. You can edit that file or use your dhcp server to send NIC=r8169 to Etherboot (I am unsure if that works for PXE)... Tim From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Jul 16 14:57:43 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:57:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm wanting to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one app off of a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device cal? Or do I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the terminal server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP server is authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD account, is that an issue? Levi Kemp ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Hopkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services Julius, If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device cals. Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS > didn't think of this loophole. > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no matter the value you get out of it. julius > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip > > address. i.e. another device > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device > > cals > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session > > coming in > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 > > device, > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am > > sure > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal > > server > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I > > guess > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they > > wanted. > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > > > > otherwise the > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous > > users. > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only > > two. > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then > > that > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one > > terminal > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 16 15:39:45 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:39:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469B9141.9010505@cmosnetworks.com> I read the license recently for Windows Server. For specifically terminal server connections, you do need a user CAL for each user that is simultaneously connecting. For example, of your 30 users, let's say that you *know* that only 20 of them will be connecting to the Windows server at any given moment. You thus need only 20 Terminal Server CAL's. Of course, if all 30 of those users are indeed connecting at the same time, you will need 30 CAL's. Microsoft designed the Terminal Server CAL licensing specifically to prevent another Novell NetWare loophole. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kemp, Levi wrote: > Dave, > So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm wanting to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one app off of a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device cal? Or do I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the terminal server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP server is authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD account, is that an issue? > > Levi Kemp > > > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services > > > Julius, > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device cals. > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > > > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP > > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the > > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many > > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever > > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS > > didn't think of this loophole. > > > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the > server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no > matter the value you get out of it. > julius > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local > > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip > > > address. i.e. another device > > > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip > > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that > > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the > > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS > > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they > > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device > > > cals > > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session > > > coming in > > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1 > > > device, > > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am > > > sure > > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal > > > server > > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I > > > guess > > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they > > > wanted. > > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the > > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as > > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode", > > > > > > otherwise the > > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required, > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only > > > two. > > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then > > > that > > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one > > > terminal > > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be > > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Mon Jul 16 17:10:27 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:10:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My guess is that X is failing to start. You might need a custom > XF86Config. The easiest way to do this is to boot from a PPC Live > CD (Such as Ubuntu PPC) that correctly detects your video card. > Then steel the /etc/X11/XF86Config file and move it to your > servers /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc folder and name the file XF86Config.emac. > Open the XF86Config.emac file and if you see any references to > 127.0.0.1 change that to the IP address of your server. Then in > the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file add the following lines: > > [MA:CA:DD:RE:SS:XX] > XSERVER = r128 > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.emac > > Be sure to substitute MA:CA:DD:RE:SS:XX with the actual Mac Address of > the the emac you are trying to boot. After that, boot your emac again > with the "N" key and it should work. Let us know what happens. This suggestion got me a little farther on a slot-loading iMac, but I'm still stuck. I tried several distributions until I found one where I could get far enough into a session to grab the config. None of the LiveCDs worked for me, but some installers did (I didn't have to install, but went far enough into it to get an X session up). The Yellow Dog Linux install cd did it for the slot loading iMacs (and older) and Fedora install works for the newer eMacs. I have an XF86Config that I think the iMac likes. The problem now is that it fails to bring up the ltsp login screen. I can see the mouse with circling blue wheel and the banner flash up, but it goes away and then repeats the whole process indefinitely. What now? I noticed that there is a lot of information logged when a PC client is booting up, up nothing other than the DHCP exchange when the ppcs boot. Maybe there would be something helpful for me if more information was logged. Is there a log level setting that I can't find? My next project is to get older, pre-slot loading iMacs working. I know they don't netboot. Is there a howto for installing ltsp so it boots from the HD? -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public School From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 16 18:44:28 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:44:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Yes, I read about that DRM-free bit with EMI's tracks. That's a good > first step. A good second step would be to quit the ridiculous > patent-encumbrance on its (still Apple-only) AAC music format. AAC is *not* an Apple-only format: . It wasn't even developed by Apple. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Jul 16 19:00:28 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:00:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox addons globaly Message-ID: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> I have a Firefox addon (menu editor) that I want to add to all users, anyone know how to do that? Ray From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Mon Jul 16 19:18:04 2007 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jonathan White) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:18:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox addons globaly In-Reply-To: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <1184613484.5532.105.camel@jwhite> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:00 -0500, Ray Garza wrote: > I have a Firefox addon (menu editor) that I want to add to all users, anyone > know how to do that? > > Ray I've found the articles listed on this page: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=21054 very helpful in getting Firefox addons installed globally on fresh FF installs. Not sure if/how it can be used to upgrade existing installations, but hopefully it'll be a start at least. -- Jonathan S. White Systems Engineer Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 16 19:33:07 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:33:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 7.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <4219988b0707020037m284d8507ke72c68dae80d37c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46743F60.2020108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20070618065643.e69b50a8.jessemcdonnell@verizon.net> <4219988b0707020037m284d8507ke72c68dae80d37c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469BC7F3.1030005@paasda.org> after returning from a lovely 10 day cross country trip across southwestern Canada, I'm just checking in to see if 7.0 is in full-release, or still Beta, as I have about 3 weeks to upgrade my main K12LTSP installation, and would LOVE to put 7.0 in rather than go with 6.0 and update later. --Huck Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > Eric :-) > > when using the fc7 beta 3 dvd to upgrade from a fc6 install it breaks > during the "copy image to disk stage" > right now, i'm downloading the beta 5 dvd with 120KB/s speed while > trying to rsync it only works with 4KB/s > am i using the right command ? > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/7.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > receiving file list ... > 3 files to consider > ./ > K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5-dvd.iso > 1218592 0% 3.87kB/s 254:15:32 > > kindly, > nadav :-) > > On 6/18/07, *Jesse McDonnell* > wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:52:00 -0700 > Eric Harrison < eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us > > wrote: > > > > > I uploaded K12LTSP 7.0 beta #3 ISOs. There are only 32bit ISOs at the > > moment, the 64bit ones are building right now and should be > uploaded by > > tomorrow. > > > > These ISOs include a number of installer patches and it installs > a newer > > kernel. If you had trouble installing the earlier builds, give > this one > > a spin & let me know how it goes. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Jul 16 19:36:18 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:36:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 7.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <20070716123618.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bdebe9dd96.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Mon Jul 16 21:00:45 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12OSN MaxSessions exceeded in K12 v. 6.0 Message-ID: Dear Folks, the vile "MaxSessions exceeded" error has reared its ugly head on a server running K12 v. 6.0. I am stumped, since the gdm.conf file is no longer used and I can't seem to find any other place where I get to set this parameter (gdm.conf has it set to 25000 - enough for 30 users)? Any ideas, please? Thanks, julius From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Jul 16 21:30:55 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:30:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox addons globaly In-Reply-To: <1184613484.5532.105.camel@jwhite> References: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <1184613484.5532.105.camel@jwhite> Message-ID: <200707161630.55483.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 16 July 2007 02:18:04 pm Jonathan White wrote: > On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:00 -0500, Ray Garza wrote: > > I have a Firefox addon (menu editor) that I want to add to all users, > > anyone know how to do that? > > > > Ray > > I've found the articles listed on this page: > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=21054 > very helpful in getting Firefox addons installed globally on fresh FF > installs. Not sure if/how it can be used to upgrade existing > installations, but hopefully it'll be a start at least. ok, it says to use the command line switch: firefox -install-global-extension "/path/to/extension" so I tried firefox -install-global-extension "/root/Desktop/menu_editor-1.2.3.3-firefox+thunderbird.xpi" I then open firefox and check the addons and it is not listed. Has anyone tried this command before? Ray From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 16 21:45:42 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:45:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Open Source counter-arguments In-Reply-To: References: <46991517.1090809@elp.rr.com> <1184445602.3599.141.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <469A46C1.7090706@cmosnetworks.com> <469A6820.7010301@futuresource.com> <469AA01C.9060603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <469BE706.9000600@futuresource.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> Yes, I read about that DRM-free bit with EMI's tracks. That's a good >> first step. A good second step would be to quit the ridiculous >> patent-encumbrance on its (still Apple-only) AAC music format. > > AAC is *not* an Apple-only format: > . It wasn't even > developed by Apple. A free download of itunes for Linux would be nice though, and probably easier for Apple than the windows port. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Mon Jul 16 17:14:34 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:14:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless bridge setup for classroom clusters of thin-clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469BA77A.6090208@htt-consult.com> I thought some more about this while winging my way the SFO. Greg X wrote: > please see this image http://tmaedu.com/tmp/classroom-wireless.png > > i'm looking for network configuration help for setting up DD-WRT > router firmware on two Buffalo WHT-G125 routers in a bridge > configuration to allow thin-client PC's connected to bridge router to > issue their boot image requests to the LTSP server. > > can someone suggest the DD-WRT network config to support this? > > the WHT-G125 has a 125mb/s mode that should support the speed needed > for 4 terminals per classroom we require. i'll also turn the transmit > power down from 28mw to 10mw so that multiple adjacent classrooms > won't collide. That Buffalo has only one radio, right? All of our work in 802.11s is including support of both backbone and AP support on the same radio, but this puts some real sever restrictions on the network configuration. An 802.11 radio can only work on one channel at a time. (Well 802.11n does change this with MIMO, each antenna can work on its own channel.) If you can find any box with two radios, your overall performance will be be better. You are frittering away your bandwidth with both backbone and clients on one radio. You will not get anywhere close to your 125mb bandwidth. It is automatically halved for moving the data across the backbone and to/from the client. From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 23:15:02 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:15:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Authentication failed: "Letters must be typed in the right case" Message-ID: <2be970b50707161615i5a3409bfs104156a4521b56d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am working on a new server that uses winbind to authenticate ltsp clients. Suddenly I can't log in via gdm. At the greeter I type my username and I get the following message: "Authentication failed: Letters must be typed in right case" I don't even have a chance to give a password. Weird. /var/log/auth.log shows me: Jul 16 16:08:01 mcbuntu pam_winbind[6181]: Could not retrieve user's password Jul 16 16:08:01 mcbuntu gdm[6181]: (pam_unix) auth could not identify password for [flyboy] Jul 16 16:08:01 mcbuntu pam_winbind[6181]: Could not retrieve user's password Jul 16 16:08:01 mcbuntu gdm[6181]: (pam_unix) auth could not identify password for [flyboy] Jul 16 16:08:02 mcbuntu gdm[6181]: Couldn't authenticate user my /etc/pam.d/gdm file looks like: auth requisite pam_nologin.so auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok_secure use_first_pass auth required pam_env.so @include common-auth @include common-account session required pam_limits.so session optional pam_console.so @include common-session @include common-password I can log in just fine via ssh and my pam.d/ssh file looks like: auth required pam_env.so # [1] auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so @include common-auth account required pam_nologin.so account sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so @include common-account @include common-session session optional pam_motd.so # [1] session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv # [1] session required pam_limits.so @include common-password I am stumped. What am I doing wrong? Any advice would be appreciated! TIA, John From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Jul 16 23:30:30 2007 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:30:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit Client NIC In-Reply-To: References: <469A8C790200009A00001E48@smtp7.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1184628630.509.1.camel@localhost> For PXE, you would make config files for each MAC address in /tftpboot/lts/pxelinux.cfg/01-aa-bb-cc-dd-ee-ff (where mac addy is AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF). Copy the "default" file to one of that name and append "NIC=r8169" to the kernel command line. -GR On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 09:08 -0300, Timothy Legge wrote: > On 7/16/07, Matthew Armitage wrote: > > > The three gig capable clients all kernel panic when they try to load the network driver. The boot gives me a error stating that the network card was not detected. Now I'm guessing that this means the LTSP kernel that is included in K12LTSP EL5 doesn't have gigabit network support enabled. > > So, my question is, how do I get this support into the client's kernel? > > Hopefully you guys can help me out, because I'm not really keen on the HP clients. We're hoping to be able to transition to a system similar to Kamloops in the future and I'm not convinced that they will be useful at that point. > > Thanks in advance, > > The driver is probably there but not being loaded because the NICs pci > id are not in the NICLIST (I think that is the name) file. You can > edit that file or use your dhcp server to send NIC=r8169 to Etherboot > (I am unsure if that works for PXE)... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 00:29:18 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:29:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julius has it correct I fear. You need to carry as many tscals as simultaneous connections. On 7/16/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > Dave, > So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm wanting > to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one app off of > a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device cal? Or do > I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the terminal > server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP server is > authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD account, > is that an issue? > > Levi Kemp > > > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services > > > Julius, > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin > clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is > per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which > are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing > whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 > device cals. > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use > User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, > this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to > start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > > > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is > running from LTSP > > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services > Licensing Manager on the > > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, > not matter how many > > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and > the most I have ever > > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients > in use. I think MS > > didn't think of this loophole. > > > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no > matter how the > server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay > for it, no > matter the value you get out of it. > julius > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running > as a local > > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a > different ip > > > address. i.e. another device > > > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would > have the same ip > > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably > set it up that > > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures > don't prevent the > > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like > you said, I'm sure MS > > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be > that they > > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David > Hopkins wrote: > > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey > is that the device > > > cals > > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every > terminal session > > > coming in > > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is > all coming from 1 > > > device, > > > > > so technically it probably meets the license > requirements though I am > > > sure > > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and > not for the terminal > > > server > > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my > thin clients, but I > > > guess > > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects > with MS if they > > > wanted. > > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their > favor. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < > microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I > believe I need the > > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that > is okay as long as > > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for > "Application mode", > > > > > > otherwise the > > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only > allows 2 simultaneous > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no > CAL is required, > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode > automatically...but only > > > two. > > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at > the console, then > > > that > > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give > you only one > > > terminal > > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to > Windows Server; might be > > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn < > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 00:29:45 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:29:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shoot, I mean Terrel, sorry Terrel. On 7/16/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > Julius has it correct I fear. You need to carry as many tscals as > simultaneous connections. > > On 7/16/07, Kemp, Levi < lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm > > wanting to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one > > app off of a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device > > cal? Or do I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the > > terminal server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP > > server is authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD > > account, is that an issue? > > > > Levi Kemp > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > ] On Behalf Of David Hopkins > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services > > > > > > Julius, > > > > If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my > > thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS > > agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 > > devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in > > enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by > > with just 3 device cals. > > > > Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only > > use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a > > school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not > > trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is > > running from LTSP > > > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services > > Licensing Manager on the > > > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing > > up, not matter how many > > > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, > > and the most I have ever > > > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin > > clients in use. I think MS > > > didn't think of this loophole. > > > > > they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no > > matter how the > > server sees it. if you use their software, you should > > pay for it, no > > matter the value you get out of it. > > julius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running > > as a local > > > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a > > different ip > > > > address. i.e. another device > > > > > > > > Of course if you run it through the server it would > > have the same ip > > > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have > > probably set it up that > > > > you can't access more than once from one ip address. > > > > > > > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens < rowens at ptd.net> wrote: > > > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures > > don't prevent the > > > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like > > you said, I'm sure MS > > > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to > > be that they > > > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem. > > > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David > > Hopkins wrote: > > > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is > > dicey is that the device > > > > cals > > > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, > > every terminal session > > > > coming in > > > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it > > is all coming from 1 > > > > device, > > > > > > so technically it probably meets the license > > requirements though I am > > > > sure > > > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and > > not for the terminal > > > > server > > > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my > > thin clients, but I > > > > guess > > > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical > > aspects with MS if they > > > > wanted. > > > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in > > their favor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Roger Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services > > again? I believe I need the > > > > > > >following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Windows Server > > > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows > > > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume > > that is okay as long as > > > > > > >the above is properly licensed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anything else required? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for > > "Application mode", > > > > > > > otherwise the > > > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only > > allows 2 simultaneous > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, > > no CAL is required, > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode > > automatically...but only > > > > two. > > > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in > > at the console, then > > > > that > > > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will > > give you only one > > > > terminal > > > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to > > Windows Server; might be > > > > > > >similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 09:14:57 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:14:57 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox addons globaly In-Reply-To: <200707161630.55483.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <1184613484.5532.105.camel@jwhite> <200707161630.55483.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <4219988b0707170214x404627ceha8012956ade1ebd9@mail.gmail.com> yes, we use this method too, but with a mix. first, try to remove the extensions.ini , extensions.cache and compreg.datfrom firefox' user profile folder. an reload firefox to let it re-register the extensions. i think this should help. if not, i suggest... second, what we actually use is a mix. we install globally some extension but also, we have a Sandbox user in which we install and configure firefox (and other applications) as we like and then we copy the user's specific application configuration files (.mozzila , .openoffice ... ) to all other users in the system and change ownership very easy :-) i can send you the copy script if you like this method. On 7/17/07, Ray Garza wrote: > > On Monday 16 July 2007 02:18:04 pm Jonathan White wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:00 -0500, Ray Garza wrote: > > > I have a Firefox addon (menu editor) that I want to add to all users, > > > anyone know how to do that? > > > > > > Ray > > > > I've found the articles listed on this page: > > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=21054 > > very helpful in getting Firefox addons installed globally on fresh FF > > installs. Not sure if/how it can be used to upgrade existing > > installations, but hopefully it'll be a start at least. > > ok, it says to use the command line switch: > > firefox -install-global-extension "/path/to/extension" > so I tried > firefox -install-global-extension "/root/Desktop/menu_editor- > 1.2.3.3-firefox+thunderbird.xpi" > > I then open firefox and check the addons and it is not listed. 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URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 09:19:29 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:19:29 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 7.0 beta #3 In-Reply-To: <20070716123618.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bdebe9dd96.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070716123618.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bdebe9dd96.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4219988b0707170219o6fd1b3b2m223df37a5526e481@mail.gmail.com> i just wan to remind you all that their is still an issue of remote accessing KDM in KDE versions 3.5.6/7 that is till not resolved. if you consider updating to fc7 i encountered it after updating fc6 kde to version 3.5.7 and after updating an LTSP test server to fc7 anyways... here is the bug report with KDE: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147454 On 7/16/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I had issues with beta 3 and just tried beta 5. The same issues showed up > while installing on a Gateway 9510 server. > > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which > matter least" Goethe > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 7.0 beta #3 > From: Huck > Date: Mon, July 16, 2007 2:33 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > after returning from a lovely 10 day cross country trip across > southwestern Canada, I'm just checking in to see if 7.0 is in > full-release, or still Beta, as I have about 3 weeks to upgrade my main > K12LTSP installation, and would LOVE to put 7.0 in rather than go with > 6.0 and update later. > > --Huck > > Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > Eric :-) > > > > when using the fc7 beta 3 dvd to upgrade from a fc6 install it breaks > > during the "copy image to disk stage" > > right now, i'm downloading the beta 5 dvd with 120KB/s speed while > > trying to rsync it only works with 4KB/s > > am i using the right command ? > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/7.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > receiving file list ... > > 3 files to consider > > ./ > > K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5-dvd.iso > > 1218592 0% 3.87kB/s 254:15:32 > > > > kindly, > > nadav :-) > > > > On 6/18/07, *Jes! > se McDonnell* > > > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:52:00 -0700 > > Eric Harrison < eharrison**@mail.mesd.k12.or.us > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > I uploaded K12LTSP 7.0 beta #3 ISOs. There are only 32bit > ISOs at the > > > moment, the 64bit ones are building right now and should be > > uploaded by > > > tomorrow. > > > > > > These ISOs include a number of installer patches and it installs > > a newer > > > kernel. If you had trouble installing the earlier builds, give > > this one > > > a spin & let me know how it goes. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN**@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at ellsworthschools.org Tue Jul 17 11:46:39 2007 From: cliebow at ellsworthschools.org (Chuck Liebow) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:46:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> < > <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> < > <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> < > <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> < > <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: try XSERVER=fbdev for the hell of it..chuck From cliebow at ellsworthschools.org Tue Jul 17 11:52:45 2007 From: cliebow at ellsworthschools.org (Chuck Liebow) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:52:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> < > <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> < > <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> < > <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> < > <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: Ive booted nubus from the hard rive using mklinux booter...but i think you'll have to use yaboot on a g3..Ive never worked out the details but it shouldnt be too bad..Ill see if ogra can shed some light on it..chuck From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Jul 17 18:32:58 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:32:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox addons globaly In-Reply-To: <4219988b0707170214x404627ceha8012956ade1ebd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707161400.31061.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <200707161630.55483.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <4219988b0707170214x404627ceha8012956ade1ebd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707171332.58663.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Tuesday 17 July 2007 04:14:57 am Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > yes, we use this method too, but with a mix. > > first, try to remove the extensions.ini , extensions.cache and > compreg.datfrom firefox' user profile folder. > an reload firefox to let it re-register the extensions. i think this should > help. if not, i suggest... > > second, what we actually use is a mix. we install globally some extension > but also, we have a Sandbox user in which we install and configure firefox > (and other applications) as we like and then we copy the user's specific > application configuration files (.mozzila , .openoffice ... ) to all other > users in the system and change ownership > very easy :-) > > i can send you the copy script if you like this method. > Ya, I remember you mention this on another posting and I thought of doing that (second option). But, I would need to keep the cache in tack for each account. Or, maybe clear out the cache for the Sandbox user and let everyone start from scratch. I could use it in the /etc/skel area so that new users would be setup properly. I already got a script but go ahead and send me yours. I'll take a look at it. BTW, I found an addon called Menu Editor that lets you hide certain menu on Firefox and I want to use it to prevent people from using the "clear private data" function in Firefox. Ray From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Tue Jul 17 19:03:13 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:03:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> > try XSERVER=fbdev for the hell of it..chuck Same thing -- the login screen tries to display briefly, is cleared and the process starts over again, indefinitely. Is there a way to access a second text terminal window and find a log file that might be helpful in showing what is going on? I'm feeling this is very close to working and it is frustrating not knowing what to tweak. -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public Schools From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 02:22:44 2007 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:22:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh Install - weird error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Just had the pleasure of updating our computer lab now that the summer is here. Worked flawlessly of course (K12LTSP is true brilliance) -- I've just got one weird situation. The command tail /var/log/messages -f keeps showing me every 10 seconds, continuously, the following: Jul 17 22:18:11 server kernel: audit(1184725091.000:89): avc: denied { search } for pid=2080 comm="irqbalance" name="net" dev=proc ino=-268435432 scontext=system_u:system_r:irqbalance_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:proc_net_t:s0 tclass=dir Jul 17 22:18:21 server kernel: audit(1184725101.001:90): avc: denied { search } for pid=2080 comm="irqbalance" name="net" dev=proc ino=-268435432 scontext=system_u:system_r:irqbalance_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:proc_net_t:s0 tclass=dir Jul 17 22:18:31 server kernel: audit(1184725111.000:91): avc: denied { search } for pid=2080 comm="irqbalance" name="net" dev=proc ino=-268435432 scontext=system_u:system_r:irqbalance_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:proc_net_t:s0 tclass=dir It seems to be slowing down the boot process for the clients a lot as well. Thoughts? Some sort of security/permission issue? Thank you. Joseph From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 03:40:29 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:40:29 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool error Message-ID: I am getting an error when I try to monitor or control a users terminal. "No password configured for VNC auth" What do I need to do to fix it? From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 18 04:09:49 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:09:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh Install - weird error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994441ae0707172109s497e142dya2ee134960c893cc@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/07, Joseph Bishay wrote: > The command tail /var/log/messages -f keeps showing me every 10 > seconds, continuously, the following: > > Jul 17 22:18:11 server kernel: audit(1184725091.000:89): avc: denied > { search } for pid=2080 comm="irqbalance" name="net" dev=proc > ino=-268435432 scontext=system_u:system_r:irqbalance_t:s0 > tcontext=system_u:object_r:proc_net_t:s0 tclass=dir AVC messages are SELinux denying certain actions. Is SELinux in enforcing or permissive mode? "sestatus" should tell you. Might do a "yum update selinux-policy" (if you're not already up-to-date) or just set SELinux to permissive mode. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 06:26:13 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:26:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] errors on server boot Message-ID: As previously discussed, I have one server that doesn't work with its devices like CDROM and USB flash drives. I noticed that when booting an error comes up for avahi and hal. Would this be related to the problem with the drives? It there a way I can troubleshoot further? Regards, Krsnendu dasa From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 06:41:36 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:41:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/17/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I am getting an error when I try to monitor or control a users terminal. > "No password configured for VNC auth" > > What do I need to do to fix it? Did you do this http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html#monitor -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 18 13:30:07 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:30:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:03:13 -0500 (CDT), Jon Harder wrote > > try XSERVER=fbdev for the hell of it..chuck > > Same thing -- the login screen tries to display briefly, is cleared and > the process starts over again, indefinitely. > > Is there a way to access a second text terminal window and find a log file > that might be helpful in showing what is going on? I'm feeling this is very > close to working and it is frustrating not knowing what to tweak. You could set screen01 to be a terminal and then startx from the command line. This should let you view what is happening in a more intuitive way. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Jul 18 13:54:08 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:54:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo default save format In-Reply-To: <465D09F0.9070901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <465C8526.8040206@peopleplaces.org> <465D09F0.9070901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <469E1B80.8000009@peopleplaces.org> Hi - I'm still having trouble getting OOo to save as MS format by default in v6 -- it used to, but an OOo update from i386 to x86_64 stopped this from working. Can someone send me the default .xcu files from /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup so I can try to re-apply the patches from templates/k12linux/? ...and yes, I really am rm -rf ~/.openoffice* before trying to see if the patch worked. I'm guessing this has something to do with using OOo.x86_64 - Anyone else using x86_64 and MS formats by default? Thanks, Michael From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Jul 18 14:22:45 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:22:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo default save format In-Reply-To: <469E1B80.8000009@peopleplaces.org> References: <465C8526.8040206@peopleplaces.org> <465D09F0.9070901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <469E1B80.8000009@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <469E2235.7000502@peopleplaces.org> I found the issue - The patches were pointing to /usr/lib/openoffice2.0 and .x86_64 is in /usr/lib64/openoffice2.0 I made this change, but apparently there is enough of a difference in the ordering for the patches to not apply cleanly, so I simply made the DefaultFilter changes by hand. Thanks, Michael Michael Blinn wrote: > Hi - I'm still having trouble getting OOo to save as MS format by > default in v6 -- it used to, but an OOo update from i386 to x86_64 > stopped this from working. Can someone send me the default .xcu files > from > /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/openoffice/Setup > so I can try to re-apply the patches from templates/k12linux/? > > ...and yes, I really am rm -rf ~/.openoffice* before trying to see if > the patch worked. > > I'm guessing this has something to do with using OOo.x86_64 - Anyone > else using x86_64 and MS formats by default? > > Thanks, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Wed Jul 18 15:18:15 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:18:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits Message-ID: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Daniel From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed Jul 18 15:27:36 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:27:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <469E3168.40607@htt-consult.com> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Check Tigerdirect.com They tend to have great pricing. Then Geeks.com I have a Micro Computer Center near me, and they have a great selection of BYOB. microcenter.com From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Jul 18 15:29:44 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:29:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get > computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair > and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can > build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild them. You can also use some older computers that use some of the older technology so that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. Ray From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 15:50:22 2007 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:50:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: Dan, I have personally bought parts from mwave.com, and had kids assemble the machines. They also sell MS licenses. The hardest part about going through that route is that you are a little more responsible for making sure what you get works together. However, I've built some fantastic video editing machines for under $1200 (monitor, OS, the whole works) each. They will also accept a school's PO. I'm reluctant to go through tiger direct as I have heard nightmare stories about people trying to return non-working items. I've bought some stuff from Geeks.com, but I didn't study it very carefully and ended up getting something that was low quality. I chose mwave because my buddy who owns a consulting business has bought over $500,000 in parts from them over the last 8 years. He doesn't even buy desktops from Dell unless the customer demands it. If cost is an issue on a server, he'll build those from mwave as well. In all cases, it has been my experience it's best to get quality, name brand parts, and the better chipset (for example, Pentium 4 and not Celeron). My first round of student built machines are out-preforming the Dells that were bought at the same time, and they cost about 1/3 as much. I'm down in Keokuk, IA if you ever get the chance to swing by and see the student built machines. The kids love the chance to work on new hardware, they take great pride in building them and watching others using them. You then also get bragging rights (yeah, my kids built these). AND the district gets some quality machines for a low low price, and there's actually education going on during all this. My final note, at least one kid (and probably more) will get at least one critical thing plugged in backwards, like the cpu fan, the power switch connector to the motherboard. Even after I looked them over, we still had some corrections to make. Expect it. Good Luck, Eric On 7/18/07, Ray Garza wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get > > computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair > > and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can > > build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly > > appreciated! > > > > Thanks > > Daniel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any > NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild them. You > can also use some older computers that use some of the older technology so > that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tompoe at fngi.net Wed Jul 18 15:47:58 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:47:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <469E362E.8040102@fngi.net> Ray Garza wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: > >> I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get >> computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair >> and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can >> build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks >> Daniel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any > NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild them. You > can also use some older computers that use some of the older technology so > that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Will the PC repair class be making the computers they use available for students that don't have a computer? If so, why not put the word out to the local media that folks need to drop off their older computers when they upgrade to newer? Tom From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Wed Jul 18 15:56:23 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:56:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <469E362E.8040102@fngi.net> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <469E362E.8040102@fngi.net> Message-ID: <469DF18F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Well, these systems need to run vista. they will not be used for anything other than teaching how to build a PC. It is a dual credit course with the local college, so I need to have some newer stuff. Thanks, Daniel >>> Tom Poe 07/18/07 10:47 AM >>> Ray Garza wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: > >> I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get >> computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair >> and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can >> build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks >> Daniel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any > NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild them. You > can also use some older computers that use some of the older technology so > that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Will the PC repair class be making the computers they use available for students that don't have a computer? If so, why not put the word out to the local media that folks need to drop off their older computers when they upgrade to newer? Tom _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 17:05:21 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:05:21 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Color laser printer running costs Message-ID: We need a new color laser printer for our small school. It will not have quiet a small monthly usage. Can anyone recommend the best brands and models as far as running costs / TCO? From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 18 17:09:16 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:09:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: <469DF18F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <469E362E.8040102@fngi.net> <469DF18F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1184778556.2728.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 10:56 -0500, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Well, these systems need to run vista. they will not be used for anything other than teaching how to build a PC. It is a dual credit course with the local college, so I need to have some newer stuff. > So make your life easy: go to someplace that sells low cost PCs with Vista pre-installed. Now make the backup disk for each machine without registering the system with mickeysoft and then disassemble it. Put all the parts for each PC in a box. Voila! > > Thanks, > Daniel > > >>> Tom Poe 07/18/07 10:47 AM >>> > Ray Garza wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good place to get > >> computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC Repair > >> and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that they can > >> build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly > >> appreciated! > >> > >> Thanks > >> Daniel > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any > > NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild them. You > > can also use some older computers that use some of the older technology so > > that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Will the PC repair class be making the computers they use available for > students that don't have a computer? 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I believe (and you may want to double check this) but the HP cartridges were almost twice the cost of the Ricoh's. Subjectively, I'd also say they lasted longer. The starter toner cartridge we got with the Ricoh didn't have hardly any toner in it at all, but it just kept printing and printing with no lines or discoloration in the prints. Before I was forced to use this Ricoh, I've always preferred HP laser printers. In my experience they just always work well when properly maintained. This Ricoh was a pleasant surprise. This has just been my experiences though. Your mileage may vary. Eric On 7/18/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > We need a new color laser printer for our small school. It will not > have quiet a small monthly usage. Can anyone recommend the best brands > and models as far as running costs / TCO? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Jul 18 17:36:40 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:36:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <469E4FA8.6030402@bio-chemvalve.com> I've had bad experiences w/ Tiger Direct. Newegg.com, on the other hand, has always been excellent. -Rob Eric Brown wrote: > Dan, > > I have personally bought parts from mwave.com, and had kids assemble > the machines. They also sell MS licenses. The hardest part about > going through that route is that you are a little more responsible for > making sure what you get works together. However, I've built some > fantastic video editing machines for under $1200 (monitor, OS, the > whole works) each. They will also accept a school's PO. > > I'm reluctant to go through tiger direct as I have heard nightmare > stories about people trying to return non-working items. I've bought > some stuff from Geeks.com, but I didn't study it very carefully and > ended up getting something that was low quality. I chose mwave > because my buddy who owns a consulting business has bought over > $500,000 in parts from them over the last 8 years. He doesn't even > buy desktops from Dell unless the customer demands it. If cost is an > issue on a server, he'll build those from mwave as well. > > In all cases, it has been my experience it's best to get quality, name > brand parts, and the better chipset (for example, Pentium 4 and not > Celeron). My first round of student built machines are out-preforming > the Dells that were bought at the same time, and they cost about 1/3 > as much. > > I'm down in Keokuk, IA if you ever get the chance to swing by and see > the student built machines. The kids love the chance to work on new > hardware, they take great pride in building them and watching others > using them. You then also get bragging rights (yeah, my kids built > these). AND the district gets some quality machines for a low low > price, and there's actually education going on during all this. > > My final note, at least one kid (and probably more) will get at least > one critical thing plugged in backwards, like the cpu fan, the power > switch connector to the motherboard. Even after I looked them over, > we still had some corrections to make. Expect it. > > Good Luck, > Eric > > On 7/18/07, Ray Garza wrote: >> On Wednesday 18 July 2007 10:18:15 am Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> > I was wondering if there were any reccomendations as to a good >> place to get >> > computer kits for students? they will be taking a class called PC >> Repair >> > and they will be assembling computers. I need to have a kit that >> they can >> > build, but i needs to run vista and below. Any input would be greatly >> > appreciated! >> > >> > Thanks >> > Daniel >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> Well, you can buy barebones systems (newegg.com) or you can use any >> NON-CRITICAL computers you have now and tear them down and rebuild >> them. You >> can also use some older computers that use some of the older >> technology so >> that they are familiar with them as well as the latest and greatest. >> >> Ray >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Wed Jul 18 20:18:01 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:18:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070718201801.5526C51009D@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:03:13 -0500 (CDT), Jon Harder wrote > > > try XSERVER=fbdev for the hell of it..chuck > > > > Same thing -- the login screen tries to display briefly, is cleared and > > the process starts over again, indefinitely. > > > > Is there a way to access a second text terminal window and find a log file > > that might be helpful in showing what is going on? I'm feeling this is very > > close to working and it is frustrating not knowing what to tweak. > > You could set screen01 to be a terminal and then startx from the command line. > This should let you view what is happening in a more intuitive way. I did essentially the same thing by set the default run level to 3 in the inittab file. Everything is fine up to that point. When I fire off the startx it goes into an endless loop that I can't get out of without restarting the client. Is there a way to set up SCREEN_02 so I can alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f2 to a shell window while startx is running in the other one? Or is there a way of firing off startx so it tries once and exits? I'm not sure where I would look to see if anything useful is being logged. Further suggestions would be appreciated. On the pre-slot loading front, I made some accidental progress. I tried doing a vanilla install of Yellow Dog and it failed on the second CD, forcing a reboot. Fortunately I had the iMac on the ltsp portion of the network and it automatically found the server and booted up! Evidently yaboot was installed on the imac and that is all it needed to get on the network and then boot from the server. So my question is, how do I go about installing just the basic yaboot software on those old iMacs without going through the whole Yellow Dog install CD 1? -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public Schools From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 10:36:32 2007 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:36:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic - Computer Kits In-Reply-To: References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <200707181029.45388.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0707190336h18cc5ebeq63bbdb52759c9d3c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Eric Brown wrote: > > I'm reluctant to go through tiger direct as I have heard nightmare > stories about people trying to return non-working items. Like me. I bought a couple of SFF computers from TigerDirect, and when they wouldn't start my only recourse was to contact the manufacturer (who never responded to email OR phone calls). So I ate the $600, and salvaged the CPUs and RAM for other systems. I second the vote for Geeks.com, and also recommend www.surpluscomputers.com Calvin From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 19 14:14:36 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:14:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070718201801.5526C51009D@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> <20070718201801.5526C51009D@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20070719140341.M53197@winonacotter.org> > Is there a way to set up SCREEN_02 so I can alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f2 to > a shell window while startx is running in the other one? Or is there a way > of firing off startx so it tries once and exits? I'm not sure where > I would look to see if anything useful is being logged. Further > suggestions would be appreciated. In lts.conf set: SCREEN_01=startx SCREEN_02=shell Then you can ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell while the default screen_01 is starting x. > On the pre-slot loading front, I made some accidental progress. I > tried doing a vanilla install of Yellow Dog and it failed on the second > CD, forcing a reboot. Fortunately I had the iMac on the ltsp portion of > the network and it automatically found the server and booted up! > > Evidently yaboot was installed on the imac and that is all it needed > to get on the network and then boot from the server. So my question is, > how do I go about installing just the basic yaboot software on those > old iMacs without going through the whole Yellow Dog install CD 1? If you are describing the first vintage Bondi Blue (looks like an ugly green to me) iMac G3 then there is nothing needed to boot the LTSP server other than holding down the "N" key on startup to trigger booting from the server. Or just pull the hard drive out of the machines and since they cannot find a local boot device they will automatically poll the network. You can also hard code booting off the server via firmware if you like. Any changes for the powerpc machines will need to be changed in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file, maybe you have been modifying the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf for the eMacs to boot? The eMacs will need a custom X config file to boot X correctly. The default works for the original Bondi Blue iMacs and the old Fruity colored iBooks (Tangerine, Blueberry and Indigo). There is a custom XF86Config.indigo file that will work with the Indigo colored iMacs. I have a file somewhere that also boots the Blueberry iMacs and the Graphite iMacs. I think you need to modify some lines in the XF86Config.conf files that are created with YDL or PPC Ubuntu to point to the server instead of the local host as well. Take a look at the included XF86Config.indigo file for reference. The IP's in there are most likely incorrect as they point to a 10.6.1.150 (or something close) which is what the IP of my server was when I created it. Just change the same references to what your servers IP is. Hope this helps. I won't be back to town and in front of email until Monday morning. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rgm at htt-consult.com Thu Jul 19 14:35:17 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:35:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Clean slate - k12LTSP small server planning In-Reply-To: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <469F76A5.4040103@htt-consult.com> And I DO mean small server. I ordered the 4 for 3 deal for the decTOP. I will toss in more memory into one of them, switch to a low power-usage notebook drive and find an external battery, drop K12LTSP on the box and presto, a portable Linux apps server. But how much memory (hey, even the $15 difference between 256Mb and 512Mb has to be thought out). So I am looking at IceWM in place of Gnome. There will only be one user of this system, me! But many apps running. What is the lowest server memory hit for the remote consol? And what app on an XP or Linux client? Even if I do go for 512Mb, I still have to think this through... Since this is a fresh start, go with k12ltsp v 7beta? The FC6 should be a better performer than FC5 (at least moving to Centos 5 from 4.x seems so). Is the beta 'stable' and close to release? Or should I install Centos 5 and drop everything needed to make a k12ltsp box? Or maybe DSL will be kinder on the memory? I will be working with DSL on one of the other decTOPs. The remaing 2 will be Portable Trixboxs for demo purposes. That 4 for 3 deal for the decTOP comes out to $81/unit. Thing is you need PC2700 memory and that is $15 more than comparable PC4200 memory.... From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 19 14:46:53 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:46:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Clean slate - k12LTSP small server planning In-Reply-To: <469F76A5.4040103@htt-consult.com> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <469F76A5.4040103@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <469F795D.7020802@futuresource.com> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And I DO mean small server. > > I ordered the 4 for 3 deal for the decTOP. I will toss in more memory > into one of them, switch to a low power-usage notebook drive and find an > external battery, drop K12LTSP on the box and presto, a portable Linux > apps server. > I think the ethernet-over-USB1.1 is going to be a killer for this thing. It might make a small web server for something that doesn't need much bandwidth, and maybe NX with compression would make it usable as a client but there's not much else that doesn't need good network performance. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Thu Jul 19 15:58:50 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:58:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Clean slate - k12LTSP small server planning In-Reply-To: <469F795D.7020802@futuresource.com> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <469F8A3A.50308@htt-consult.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> And I DO mean small server. >> >> I ordered the 4 for 3 deal for the decTOP. I will toss in more >> memory into one of them, switch to a low power-usage notebook drive >> and find an external battery, drop K12LTSP on the box and presto, a >> portable Linux apps server. >> > > I think the ethernet-over-USB1.1 is going to be a killer for this > thing. It might make a small web server for something that doesn't > need much bandwidth, and maybe NX with compression would make it > usable as a client but there's not much else that doesn't need good > network performance. Home much data is going over the network for a remote client? The app is running on the server, isn't it? I do remember the bad old days with X (circa ''94) when any mouse movement or window resize swamped a 10Mb ethernet. USB 1.1 is faster than a T1 link. So it will serve for Trixbox that does not have a lot of connections. Just fine for a demo box or two. I will also be looking at what it will take to replace the micro-ITX card (find others with same attachment locations?). As $81 for a micro-ITX case and power supply is a deal itself... From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jul 19 16:21:04 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:21:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Clean slate - k12LTSP small server planning In-Reply-To: <469F8A3A.50308@htt-consult.com> References: <469DE89F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <469F8A3A.50308@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <469F8F70.1060605@cmosnetworks.com> _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> And I DO mean small server. >>> >>> I ordered the 4 for 3 deal for the decTOP. I will toss in more >>> memory into one of them, switch to a low power-usage notebook drive >>> and find an external battery, drop K12LTSP on the box and presto, a >>> portable Linux apps server. >>> >> >> I think the ethernet-over-USB1.1 is going to be a killer for this >> thing. It might make a small web server for something that doesn't >> need much bandwidth, and maybe NX with compression would make it >> usable as a client but there's not much else that doesn't need good >> network performance. > > Home much data is going over the network for a remote client? The app > is running on the server, isn't it? I do remember the bad old days > with X (circa ''94) when any mouse movement or window resize swamped a > 10Mb ethernet. > > > USB 1.1 is faster than a T1 link. So it will serve for Trixbox that > does not have a lot of connections. Just fine for a demo box or two. > > I will also be looking at what it will take to replace the micro-ITX > card (find others with same attachment locations?). As $81 for a > micro-ITX case and power supply is a deal itself... > That depends directly on the amount of screen updates taking place. If you're viewing a Web page with a lot of animated PNG's or GIF's, then more traffic will be used. If you run TuxType, you're staring at 73Mb/sec (I measured this a few years ago), so you really need a 100Mbps Full Duplex link in that case. On the other hand, if you're just doing simple, basic word processing or Web surfing to something like www.gnu.org, then 10Mbps Half Duplex is liveable. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The "Remove Icons from all users desktop" doesn't seem to be working so I want to go and do it manually. I thought it would be in /etc/skel/ area but I don't see anything. Online docs says /usr/share/gnome but again I don't see anything. Where are those settings? Ray From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jul 19 22:45:17 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:45:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome desktop settings In-Reply-To: <200707191655.12077.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200707191655.12077.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <1184885117.3542.1.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:55 -0500, Ray Garza wrote: > I've been trying to find where the default desktop applications are located at > so that I can remove some applications from the desktop. The "Remove Icons > from all users desktop" doesn't seem to be working so I want to go and do it > manually. > > I thought it would be in /etc/skel/ area but I don't see anything. Online docs > says /usr/share/gnome but again I don't see anything. > > Where are those settings? /usr/share/applications has the .desktop files used in the menus. The desktop icon for things like "Computer" and "Trash" are generated. I can't seem to locate the source right now. Hmm... > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Online > > docs says /usr/share/gnome but again I don't see anything. > > > > Where are those settings? > > /usr/share/applications has the .desktop files used in the menus. > The desktop icon for things like "Computer" and "Trash" are generated. I > can't seem to locate the source right now. Hmm... > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see Ok, I figured it out, sort of. I just created a folder called Desktop in /etc/skel/ and dumped what ever Icons I wanted on the desktop in there and new users will get the Desktop I want them to have. I'll have to modify the two scripts for adding icons and removing icons from all users Desktop to fit my setup. Ray From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 20 15:03:57 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:03:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to determine which video drivers are loaded Message-ID: <46A0CEDD.10209@bio-chemvalve.com> I know I've read it here before, but I can't find the answer. When I have XSERVER = auto, how do I find out which video driver was loaded? Specifically I'm wondering if the vesa driver was chosen or not. thanks -Rob From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 20 15:35:51 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:35:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to determine which video drivers are loaded In-Reply-To: <46A0CEDD.10209@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46A0CEDD.10209@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46A0D657.1080308@bio-chemvalve.com> nevermind, I figured it out by looking (on the terminal) at /tmp/XF86Config.1 -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > I know I've read it here before, but I can't find the answer. > > When I have XSERVER = auto, how do I find out which video driver was > loaded? Specifically I'm wondering if the vesa driver was chosen or not. > > thanks > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 20 15:42:57 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:42:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs In-Reply-To: <29AEB552E5D40645BA38E82F0939CB0829200C@MAIL-EXCH.bio-chemvalve.com> References: <29AEB552E5D40645BA38E82F0939CB0829200C@MAIL-EXCH.bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46A0D801.4010003@bio-chemvalve.com> I just bought a new LTSP Term 1000 PXE and I'm having the same problem. Has anybody else seen this happen? I thought it might have been due to my older hardware, but now I'm seeing the problem on a brand-new thin client. The issue occurs when using either the sis or the vesa driver. This is really screwing up my LTSP implementation here. My users need to toggle back and forth between the Linux and Windows terminal servers. I ran ltspadmin to see if all my components are up to date, and everything is except it says that ltsp_kernel is not installed. This can't be right, I don't think, since I am successfully running thin clients. Any ideas would be appreciated. I'm running K12LTSP 5.0EL, fully updated from a beta version. -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > Forcing the vesa driver seemed to be an improvement, but it did not > completely fix the problem. I say it was an improvement because it went > from being a problem 100% of the time, to being a problem about 50% of > the time. Weird. > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:26 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs > > This sure is a lonely thread... > > I took one of the P3 machines that was giving me trouble with the LCD > monitor, and tested it using a CRT. Same problem. So my > not-so-educated guess is that there's a glitch in the auto-detection of > the video cards in the problem machines. I'll try forcing the vesa > driver and see if that has any effect. > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:35 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs > > Some more info: > > I tested on another client w/ a CRT monitor and the problem did not > occur. It still occurs on the machines specified in the emails below. > > Out of desperation I tried upgrading to rdesktop 1.5, and that did not > fix the problem. > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:16 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs > > I've now also confirmed this problem on another client which has a CRT > monitor (same server as #1 and #2, below). Again, this is on K12LTSP > 5.0.0EL > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:54 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs > > I've confirmed the following: > > 1) This problem exists on two different computers (both computers have > the same make/model of lcd monitor, but different video cards) > > 2) This problem occurs *sometimes* on a laptop that's being used as a > thin client. When the problem occurs on this laptop, the graphics are > only slightly messed up (a black bar across the bottom of the screen). > Toggling back to SCREEN_01 then back to SCREEN_02 usually corrects it. > > 3) This problem does not occur on my home system, which is LTSP 4.2 on > Xubuntu 6.10 > > I'll test out more machines and post back. Let me know if any of you > have any ideas... > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:12 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs > > I'm running K12LTSP 5.0.0EL > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -f -a 16 10.xxx.xxx.xxx > SCREEN_03 = shell > > All screens work fine, but if I log in to the Windows terminal server on > SCREEN_02, then go to SCREEN_01, then back to SCREEN_02, the graphics > are unreadable on SCREEN_02. > > I can "fix" it by toggling to SCREEN_03 and then back to SCREEN_02 -- > the graphics go back to normal. > > Any idea what I can do to fix this? > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Fri Jul 20 16:27:47 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070719140341.M53197@winonacotter.org> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> <20070719140341.M53197@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070720162748.03F745100A3@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote > > Is there a way to set up SCREEN_02 so I can alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f2 to > > a shell window while startx is running in the other one? Or is there a way > > of firing off startx so it tries once and exits? I'm not sure where > > I would look to see if anything useful is being logged. Further > > suggestions would be appreciated. > > In lts.conf set: > SCREEN_01=startx > SCREEN_02=shell > > Then you can ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell while the default screen_01 is starting x. This works, but I also need to add: 2:3:respawn:/bin/startsess tty2 /bin/bash --login to the inittab file. > > On the pre-slot loading front, I made some accidental progress. I > > tried doing a vanilla install of Yellow Dog and it failed on the second > > CD, forcing a reboot. Fortunately I had the iMac on the ltsp portion of > > the network and it automatically found the server and booted up! > > > > Evidently yaboot was installed on the imac and that is all it needed > > to get on the network and then boot from the server. So my question is, > > how do I go about installing just the basic yaboot software on those > > old iMacs without going through the whole Yellow Dog install CD 1? > > If you are describing the first vintage Bondi Blue (looks like an ugly green to me) iMac > G3 then there is nothing needed to boot the LTSP server other than holding down the "N" > key on startup to trigger booting from the server. Or just pull the hard drive out of > the machines and since they cannot find a local boot device they will automatically poll > the network. You can also hard code booting off the server via firmware if you like. I was making a bad assumption here. I thought since I couldn't net-install mac OS on these older machines it implied I could not netboot. I was wrong. They work just fine by booting with the "N" key and the default server configuration. How do I hard code the booting via firmware? > Take a look at the included XF86Config.indigo file for reference. I tried the .indigo config early on with no success, but I tried it again and now it works just fine with a couple of flavors of slot-loading iMacs. My newest pre-intel white emacs still don't work. This appears to be a more serious problem because I can't even get it to come up with a shell window. I'm not concerned, as it will be a year or more before I will want to use those computers as clients. To sum up: most of my current concerns are resolved. I would like to know how to select netboot via the firmware. Newer eMacs don't work, but that problem can wait. Thanks for all of the help! -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public Schools From nils at breun.nl Fri Jul 20 17:17:04 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:17:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting eMacs to boot. In-Reply-To: <20070720162748.03F745100A3@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> <20070719140341.M53197@winonacotter.org> <20070720162748.03F745100A3@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <011565CC-618E-4F09-9A30-C7A7165CB58C@breun.nl> Jon Harder wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote >>> Is there a way to set up SCREEN_02 so I can alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f2 to >>> a shell window while startx is running in the other one? Or is >>> there a way >>> of firing off startx so it tries once and exits? I'm not sure where >>> I would look to see if anything useful is being logged. Further >>> suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> In lts.conf set: >> SCREEN_01=startx >> SCREEN_02=shell >> >> Then you can ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell while the default >> screen_01 is starting x. > > This works, but I also need to add: > > 2:3:respawn:/bin/startsess tty2 /bin/bash --login > > to the inittab file. I only needed to uncomment SCREEN_02=shell (I'm on K12LTSP 5EL) and it worked. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 20 17:33:40 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:33:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: Press Enquiry Message-ID: <46A0F1F4.5010201@bio-chemvalve.com> Here's a message that was posted to the LTSP list, which I thought some folks on this list might want to see. Please be sure to respond to richardr at m6-it.org -Rob Hi, I've been asked to try to find a UK school using Edubuntu and LTSP for a possible press interview. Please contact me off list. rgds, Richard Rothwell -- Richard Rothwell, richardr at m6-it.org Education Consultant http://m6-it.org A PRINCE2 aware company Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 20 17:35:29 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:35:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: Press Enquiry In-Reply-To: <46A0F1F4.5010201@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46A0F1F4.5010201@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46A0F261.9050008@bio-chemvalve.com> Sorry, I made a mistake. Please respond to richard at caliban.org.uk Rob Owens wrote: > Here's a message that was posted to the LTSP list, which I thought some > folks on this list might want to see. Please be sure to respond to > richardr at m6-it.org > > -Rob > > > Hi, > > I've been asked to try to find a UK school using Edubuntu and LTSP for a > possible press interview. > > Please contact me off list. > > rgds, > Richard Rothwell > > -- Richard Rothwell, richardr at m6-it.org Education Consultant > http://m6-it.org A PRINCE2 aware company Web services * Back-ups * > Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom > for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' M6-IT is a Community Interest > Company, limited by guarantee Registered in England & Wales, > Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, > DY9 7DT > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. > Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional > LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Fri Jul 20 21:29:28 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:29:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software In-Reply-To: References: <20070411154903.CAFF673860@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560707201429k7f12a9adtc26d749e32ac8069@mail.gmail.com> Bryant, Did you ever address the problem of barcodes with marc import in Openbiblio? Most library software doesn't mind embedding the barcodes in the marc record. Apparently not so with Openbiblio. It sees barcode as something different from marc. I myself, with the help myphpadmdin, was able to extract all barcodes from the marc and import them again as barcodes. (unfortunately i lost my notes on this so ...) I was thinking that I had solved the problem of barcodes but as it turns out school libraries often do bulk imports when they receive shipments of say 200-300 books. Marc records are purchased and are imported in one file. It's not reasonable for a librarian to have to enter the barcodes manually i think. Just thought i'd share my experience and seif you or anyone else has a solution. Or maybe somone could recommend library software for elementary schools (ie. not KOHA). Thanks, Peter On 4/11/07, Bryant Patten wrote: > > > On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:49 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. > > Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library software. > > thanks > > Shane > Hey Shane - > > I have done a couple of installs of OpenBiblio > (http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/) for small elementary school libraries that > didn't have the $10K for the commercial option and felt that Koha was too > much for them. I would be happy to answer any questions you have about the > OpenBiblio install process. > > I also know that some of our (VT) smaller schools, with solid Internet > access, have outsourced their library automation for a monthly fee to some > company in California. > > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jriddiough at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 04:00:42 2007 From: jriddiough at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:00:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software Message-ID: <46A2D66A.3090700@gmail.com> You might check out Koha and the different offerings from LibLime - Koha http://www.koha.org/ Liblime http://liblime.com/ Thanks, Justin Riddiough http://www.schoolforge.net From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 23:50:04 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:50:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't login from secondary server Message-ID: I have two ltsp servers. One mounts /home by nfs from the other. When logging in on terminals that are booting from the server with /home it works fine. From the other server we get the error- GDM could not wirte to your authorisation file. This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing. In any case, it is not possible to login. Please contact your system administrator. What do i have to do to fix this? /home seems to be mounted. As root I can list the directories although I do not have access to the /home directories. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 01:09:03 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:09:03 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't login from secondary server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I erbooted the secondary server and still ca't log in. On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I have two ltsp servers. One mounts /home by nfs from the other. > > When logging in on terminals that are booting from the server with /home > it works fine. From the other server we get the error- > GDM could not wirte to your authorisation file. This could mean that you > are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for > writing. In any case, it is not possible to login. Please contact your > system administrator. > > What do i have to do to fix this? > /home seems to be mounted. As root I can list the directories although I > do not have access to the /home directories. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 01:15:16 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:15:16 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't login from secondary server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is an smbldap problem. This machine is a client of the other smbldap server. How do I fix the following error? [root at k12ltsp2 ~]# service ldap start Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery. bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if errors are encountered. bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): unable to join the environment bdb_db_open: Database cannot be opened, err 11. Restore from backup! bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): DB_ENV->lock_id_free interface requires an environment configured for the locking subsystem backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed! (11) slap_startup failed (test would succeed using the -u switch) [FAILED] stale lock files may be present in /var/lib/ldap [WARNING] On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I erbooted the secondary server and still ca't log in. > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > I have two ltsp servers. One mounts /home by nfs from the other. > > > > When logging in on terminals that are booting from the server with /home > > it works fine. From the other server we get the error- > > GDM could not wirte to your authorisation file. This could mean that you > > are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for > > writing. In any case, it is not possible to login. Please contact your > > system administrator. > > > > What do i have to do to fix this? > > /home seems to be mounted. As root I can list the directories although I > > do not have access to the /home directories. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 04:03:55 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:03:55 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't login from secondary server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Solved. I had filled up the secondary servers hard drive. I had forgotten that I had a backup of /home in there. Deleted a few files. Restored ldap and I was back in business. On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > It is an smbldap problem. This machine is a client of the other smbldap > server. How do I fix the following error? > > [root at k12ltsp2 ~]# service ldap start > Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown > detected; attempting recovery. > bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if > errors are encountered. > bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): unable to join the environment > bdb_db_open: Database cannot be opened, err 11. Restore from backup! > bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): DB_ENV->lock_id_free interface > requires an environment configured for the locking subsystem > backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed! (11) > slap_startup failed (test would succeed using the -u switch) > [FAILED] > stale lock files may be present in /var/lib/ldap [WARNING] > > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > I erbooted the secondary server and still ca't log in. > > > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa < krsnendu108 at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > I have two ltsp servers. One mounts /home by nfs from the other. > > > > > > When logging in on terminals that are booting from the server with > > > /home it works fine. From the other server we get the error- > > > GDM could not wirte to your authorisation file. This could mean that > > > you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened > > > for writing. In any case, it is not possible to login. Please contact your > > > system administrator. > > > > > > What do i have to do to fix this? > > > /home seems to be mounted. As root I can list the directories although > > > I do not have access to the /home directories. > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Mon Jul 23 16:50:31 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using existing DHCP server Message-ID: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Now that I have my clients working well on on the private side of my ltsp server, there are a few clients living on the existing network that I would like to add. I tried following various hints for setting up my existing DHCP server so that it will point the client in the right direction. So far I have had no success, so I'm turning to the list for advice. This is what I added to my existing DHCP config, inside a subnet section (X.X.X.X and Y.Y.Y.Y filled with the appropriate addresses): host iMac1 { hardware ethernet 00:30:65:77:25:a6; fixed-address X.X.X.X; ddns-hostname iMac1; filename "yaboot"; next-server Y.Y.Y.Y; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/ppc"; # OR: # option root-path "Y.Y.Y.Y:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } This hands out an address to the client, but it doesn't seem to go to the "next-server" and access the yaboot file. I can access tftp from the network, so that is working. The server does not log any tftp activity from the client. On the ltsp server, I updated hosts.allow to allow connections from the 66.172.167.x side of the network: bootpd: 0.0.0.0 in.tftpd: 192.168. 66.172.167. portmap: 192.168. 66.172.167. What now? -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public Schools From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 23 16:58:02 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using existing DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1185209882.19603.5.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 11:50 -0500, Jon Harder wrote: > Now that I have my clients working well on on the private side of > my ltsp server, there are a few clients living on the existing network > that I would like to add. > > I tried following various hints for setting up my existing DHCP server so > that it will point the client in the right direction. So far I have > had no success, so I'm turning to the list for advice. > > This is what I added to my existing DHCP config, inside a subnet section > (X.X.X.X and Y.Y.Y.Y filled with the appropriate addresses): > > host iMac1 { > hardware ethernet 00:30:65:77:25:a6; > fixed-address X.X.X.X; > ddns-hostname iMac1; > filename "yaboot"; > next-server Y.Y.Y.Y; > option root-path "/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > # OR: > # option root-path "Y.Y.Y.Y:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } > > This hands out an address to the client, but it doesn't seem to go > to the "next-server" and access the yaboot file. I can access tftp > from the network, so that is working. The server does not log any > tftp activity from the client. > > On the ltsp server, I updated hosts.allow to allow connections from > the 66.172.167.x side of the network: > > bootpd: 0.0.0.0 > in.tftpd: 192.168. 66.172.167. > portmap: 192.168. 66.172.167. > > What now? I'll bet if you run nmap against the server on the "upstream" side (away from the working ltsp clients - i.e. from the network interface you can't see working) you will find iptables has blocked access to the tftpboot service (port 69 - UDP) (and most likely NFS as well which is also needed). Fast - and totally insecure test - turn off iptables and rerun the new client boot-up. If it works, you will need to tweak iptables, if it doesn't the dhcp server is not sending out the "next-server" right or the client doesn't support it, i.e. brain-dead network boot. > > -- > Jon Harder > Mountain Lake Public Schools > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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In-Reply-To: <20070720162748.03F745100A3@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070613175631.DCA865100A6@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1181758541.14403.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> <4670A95E.60509@scheie.homedns.org> <20070618204331.225FB5100AA@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070619143256.M48822@winonacotter.org> <20070716171027.ED6C2510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070717190313.528E8510096@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20070718132916.M40646@winonacotter.org> <20070719140341.M53197@winonacotter.org> <20070720162748.03F745100A3@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20070723185054.M78232@winonacotter.org> > How do I hard code the booting via firmware? Boot with apple+option+o+f again Type the follwing at the command line: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. setenv auto-boot? true Hit enter. reset-all Hit enter. The machine should reboot and now automatically boot to ltsp every time it is powered up. If this for some reason doesn't work run the same procedure but add ,yaboot to the first line like so "setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot". I don't know why but I found sometimes you need to tell it to use yaboot to start up. If you just want to boot back to a local HD I believe you can enter Open Firmware and just type "boot" to get back to the local OS. Otherwise the cmd+option+p+r should zap the pram and you'll go back to square 1. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 23 19:07:43 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:07:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using existing DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20070723185834.M48114@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:50:31 -0500 (CDT), Jon Harder wrote > Now that I have my clients working well on on the private side of > my ltsp server, there are a few clients living on the existing network > that I would like to add. I simply am not a fan of the standard 2 nic setup. It works perfect if you want to add a ltsp environment into a network that you do not have control over, but I have control over any network I come in contact with. So every LTSP server I set up I do not do the standard 2 nic install. I simply tell the server to use only one nic on the install and set that to a static IP that works on my standard network. If I need to do teaming I set that up with the other NIC's after the initial install. This makes my LTSP server available to the whole network for booting clients or mounting /home or using LDAP if needed. You may be better suited with such a setup. If so you could simply disable the public nic and change the IP of the private NIC to work with your public network, plug the nic that used to be private into the public side and reboot. It has been a while since I have modified a 2 nic server after install so there may be some other changes that would need to be made, someone please chime in if so (thinking k12ltsp-initialize or something?). If you want to open things up to both sides, there just isn't much sense in my opinion to do it the standard way, unless you need to co-exist with a Apple Netboot server or another dhcp server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Tue Jul 24 13:14:28 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:14:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp_kernel not installed? Message-ID: <46A5FB34.5030304@bio-chemvalve.com> I'm running K12LTSP 5.0EL. When I run ltspadmin, it tells me that ltsp_kernel is not installed. I assume this is incorrect, since I can boot thin clients. Can anybody give me some advice on what to do here? Should I install ltsp_kernel and see what happens? -Rob From nils at breun.nl Tue Jul 24 13:22:18 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:22:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp_kernel not installed? In-Reply-To: <46A5FB34.5030304@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46A5FB34.5030304@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: Rob Owens wrote: > I'm running K12LTSP 5.0EL. When I run ltspadmin, it tells me that > ltsp_kernel is not installed. I assume this is incorrect, since I can > boot thin clients. Can anybody give me some advice on what to do > here? > Should I install ltsp_kernel and see what happens? If you can boot the clients, then what's the problem you're trying to solve exactly? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To get things going I needed a dhcp config group like this: group { option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; filename "yaboot"; next-server X.X.X.X; option root-path "X.X.X.X:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; host iMac1 { hardware ethernet 00:30:65:77:25:a6; ddns-hostname iMac1; } host iMac2 { hardware ethernet 00:03:93:40:16:e4; ddns-hostname iMac2; } } Both the vendor-class-identifier and the full "server:/path" form of the root-path were required to make things go. I also needed to open things up to my network in /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/exports. Finally I had to go back and set the correct server address in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. With Jim's help, the iMacs are booting straight to the network and it looks like I am ready to start rolling this thing out. Thanks for all of the help! -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake Public Schools From cliebow at ellsworthschools.org Tue Jul 24 14:25:44 2007 From: cliebow at ellsworthschools.org (Chuck Liebow) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:25:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using existing DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20070724141217.08BB95100E2@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070723165031.B45C45100DF@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> < > <1185209882.19603.5.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> < > <20070724141217.08BB95100E2@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: They dont then need the magic option vendor-encapsulated-options 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82: 05: # length 69:6d:61:63:34; # hostname that ibooks need Cool..and good luck..chuck From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Tue Jul 24 16:30:32 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:30:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp_kernel not installed? In-Reply-To: References: <46A5FB34.5030304@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46A62928.6060004@bio-chemvalve.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > >> I'm running K12LTSP 5.0EL. When I run ltspadmin, it tells me that >> ltsp_kernel is not installed. I assume this is incorrect, since I can >> boot thin clients. Can anybody give me some advice on what to do here? >> Should I install ltsp_kernel and see what happens? > > If you can boot the clients, then what's the problem you're trying to > solve exactly? I'm chasing down a strange video problem I have on some of the clients. (See the thread "graphics problems w/ multiple SCREENs). I have failed to correct it, so I'm looking for *anything* that is out of the ordinary. -Rob From gotthin at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 04:30:05 2007 From: gotthin at gmail.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:30:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice Message-ID: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> Are the current K12LTSP 5.0EL isos final (not beta)? If so I would like to move from K12LTSP 5.0.0 to 5.0EL. I have one server with about 90 active user accounts. I would like to set up my disks to a RAID 1 configuration and do a fresh install. I have a USB hard drive that I can copy the home directories to. What I need to know is how to copy the user account information to the USB drive so that when I rebuild the server I can transfer the accounts information back and not have to set up new accounts. In setting up RAID 1 do I need to create a swap partition? I had problems with this in the original install of 5.0.0. The server is a 2.8 GHz Pentium D with 2 GB RAM. I have 20 terminals and run GNOME. Can I live without the swap space? I also plan install to install squid, dansguardian and pykota. Is there a list of the major software included with 5.0EL? Thank you, Jim Anderson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Wed Jul 25 10:09:42 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:09:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DAA9415-2E28-4F77-A417-1C5F066F6EEF@breun.nl> Jim Anderson wrote: > Are the current K12LTSP 5.0EL isos final (not beta)? Yes. > Is there a list of the major software included with 5.0EL? It's just CentOS 5 with the LTSP packages added. 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I did this simply so I could keep the partition layout on both of my drives identical, and because I didn't see any point in using RAID on my swap space. -Rob From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 25 12:39:03 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:39:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 00:30 -0400, Jim Anderson wrote: > Are the current K12LTSP 5.0EL isos final (not beta)? > > If so I would like to move from K12LTSP 5.0.0 to 5.0EL. I have one > server with about 90 active user accounts. I would like to set up my > disks to a RAID 1 configuration and do a fresh install. I have a USB > hard drive that I can copy the home directories to. > > What I need to know is how to copy the user account information to the > USB drive so that when I rebuild the server I can transfer the > accounts information back and not have to set up new accounts. as root: cd / tar cvzf userbackups.tar.gz /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/groups /etc/gshadow /home now copy userbackups.tar.gz to usb drive. wipe and install new EL version. Make /home a separate partition for easier migration from now on. Make the usb drive accessible again and untar the file to setup accounts again. NOTE*** There are some system accounts (UID below 500) that may be different between the two installs. Make a backup as above but with a different file name. Or cp /etc/passwd /etc/passwd.ORIG, cp /etc/shadow... so it there is a problem, you have the originals. Remember: If you edit the passwd file and add a missing user account you MUST also edit the shadow file and likewise for the group and gshadow files. vipw and vigr are useful. > > In setting up RAID 1 do I need to create a swap partition? I had > problems with this in the original install of 5.0.0. The server is a > 2.8 GHz Pentium D with 2 GB RAM. I have 20 terminals and run GNOME. > Can I live without the swap space? I also plan install to install > squid, dansguardian and pykota. You will ALWAYS need a swap partition for the OS. The standard 2GB swap partition is OK. If you are using software RAID1, create the a pair of 1GB swap partitions and let swap handle them outside of RAID. Putting swap on a mirror is a waste of system resources. If you are using hardware RAID you will have no choice but to put swap on the mirror or add a third drive. I have had very good performance with 3 drives as follows: drive 1 used for OS: has swap and /, /boot, /bin, /sbin, /etc, /usr, /tmp, /var (this was NOT a database or web server!) on the drive with /var in it's own partition. Drive 2&3 on hardware raid sub partitioned for /usr/bin, /usr/local, /home, /opt Once system is up and running drive one gets used for swap and tmp and occasionally for a /var entry. The heavy read sections of /usr/bin, /opt, /usr/local is split between two spindles and user data in /home is mirrored for data security. > > Is there a list of the major software included with 5.0EL? > > Thank you, > Jim Anderson > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Jul 25 12:59:48 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:59:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: universal font for HTML Message-ID: <46A74944.8080707@bio-chemvalve.com> I don't know who else to ask, so I'm asking you guys... I'm trying to create an HTML email signature for my company (their idea, not mine). I've been struggling to pick a font that looks good on all/most computer systems. So far anything I've tried looks significantly different on my 3 test systems: Windows XP, K12LTSP 5.0EL w/ the font forge package, and Xubuntu 6.10. Any suggestions? I'm using Nvu to edit the HTML, and I am by no means an expert. -Rob From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 25 13:27:53 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:27:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: universal font for HTML In-Reply-To: <46A74944.8080707@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46A74944.8080707@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <1185370073.19603.77.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> For reasons of general insanity you can't do what you are trying to do. Here's why: every machine has a different font list. Unless you _know_ that Uncle Fred hasn't tinkered with his windows box and dumped a font (or been hit with a virus that renames them) each iteration of windows has slightly different fonts. (I've seen things change with a security patch update on that train-wreck of an OS). Windows has font list "A", Mac has "B" and Linux has "C" and Solaris... Because of the licensing issues with fonts, insanity reigns supreme. So what do you do? If it MUST look consistent across all platforms you must use an image. Hmm. But that won't work as a vcard extension doesn't support graphics. So the last option is to lower the standards a tad and accept the inevitable that it's the CONTENT of the text that matters. If you use a generic font style like SAN-SERIF and set the size at 10pt the end user will always see the system default SANS-SERIF font at 10pt. Unless they have set their system set to only use their defined fonts in which case there is nothing you can do! I once saw a secretary who had set her pc to use a weird semi-script, semi-scrawled font. She loved it. I could barely read it. When the first web page came in that forced a font that was different, I got the support call to come fix the fonts on the browser. So the final short answer is this: if identical appearance is a requirement across multiple versions of multiple platforms, HTML is not the format to use. PDF is the correct format as it support embedding the fonts for absolute layout perfection. Until there is a freely available font source on the web that can be referenced for accessing a web-page designated font, there will be no way for HTML to be look and feel consistent across multiple versions of multiple platforms. So just make it look acceptable across your test platforms and that's the best you can do. On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 08:59 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > I don't know who else to ask, so I'm asking you guys... > > I'm trying to create an HTML email signature for my company (their idea, > not mine). I've been struggling to pick a font that looks good on > all/most computer systems. So far anything I've tried looks > significantly different on my 3 test systems: Windows XP, K12LTSP 5.0EL > w/ the font forge package, and Xubuntu 6.10. > > Any suggestions? I'm using Nvu to edit the HTML, and I am by no means > an expert. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Jul 25 13:44:19 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:44:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: universal font for HTML In-Reply-To: <1185370073.19603.77.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <46A74944.8080707@bio-chemvalve.com> <1185370073.19603.77.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46A753B3.6070902@bio-chemvalve.com> Thanks James. You confirmed my suspicion. I just didn't want to give up if there was a solution out there. But now that I know there isn't one....I quit! -Rob James P. Kinney III wrote: > For reasons of general insanity you can't do what you are trying to do. > > Here's why: every machine has a different font list. Unless you _know_ > that Uncle Fred hasn't tinkered with his windows box and dumped a font > (or been hit with a virus that renames them) each iteration of windows > has slightly different fonts. (I've seen things change with a security > patch update on that train-wreck of an OS). > > Windows has font list "A", Mac has "B" and Linux has "C" and Solaris... > > Because of the licensing issues with fonts, insanity reigns supreme. > > So what do you do? > > If it MUST look consistent across all platforms you must use an image. > > Hmm. But that won't work as a vcard extension doesn't support graphics. > > So the last option is to lower the standards a tad and accept the > inevitable that it's the CONTENT of the text that matters. If you use a > generic font style like SAN-SERIF and set the size at 10pt the end user > will always see the system default SANS-SERIF font at 10pt. > > Unless they have set their system set to only use their defined fonts in > which case there is nothing you can do! I once saw a secretary who had > set her pc to use a weird semi-script, semi-scrawled font. She loved it. > I could barely read it. When the first web page came in that forced a > font that was different, I got the support call to come fix the fonts on > the browser. > > So the final short answer is this: if identical appearance is a > requirement across multiple versions of multiple platforms, HTML is not > the format to use. PDF is the correct format as it support embedding the > fonts for absolute layout perfection. Until there is a freely available > font source on the web that can be referenced for accessing a web-page > designated font, there will be no way for HTML to be look and feel > consistent across multiple versions of multiple platforms. So just make > it look acceptable across your test platforms and that's the best you > can do. > > On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 08:59 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > >> I don't know who else to ask, so I'm asking you guys... >> >> I'm trying to create an HTML email signature for my company (their idea, >> not mine). I've been struggling to pick a font that looks good on >> all/most computer systems. So far anything I've tried looks >> significantly different on my 3 test systems: Windows XP, K12LTSP 5.0EL >> w/ the font forge package, and Xubuntu 6.10. >> >> Any suggestions? I'm using Nvu to edit the HTML, and I am by no means >> an expert. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see From nils at breun.nl Wed Jul 25 13:46:23 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:46:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4C7F1EB5-3E3C-466D-95CE-9C2E982C1C0B@breun.nl> Op 25-jul-2007, om 15:40 heeft Jim Kronebusch het volgende geschreven: > How big should they be? I have read places that too large of a > Swap partition is bad, I > have also read that a good rule of thumb is to make your swap > partition twice the size > of your RAM. In my case I have 16GB of RAM. Does that mean I > should have 32GB swap > partitions? That sounds a bit ridiculous. I have a server with 4GB of RAM and since we don't have that much users, we have absolutely no need for a dedicated swap partition. We never get to 100% RAM usage. I haven't even set one up. You can always just create a swapfile on your filesystem for emergency (and then get more RAM). Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:24:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1185373495.19603.83.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> x2 up to 2GB swap total. The kernel doesn't use more than 2GB anyway. The swap used by the thin clients is different and handled by the ltspswapd. It stores data in the /opt/ltsp space (by default). On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 08:40 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How big should they be? I have read places that too large of a Swap partition is bad, I > have also read that a good rule of thumb is to make your swap partition twice the size > of your RAM. In my case I have 16GB of RAM. Does that mean I should have 32GB swap > partitions? Also most recommendations for swap partition sizes are for single user > machines (Desktops). In the case of LTSP we have many users on one machine (108 in my > current case). So is the swap size dependent also on how many concurrent users are > accessing files? > > If anyone could point out a good way of determining swap size for LTSP servers I would > appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a server with 4GB of RAM and > since we don't have that much users, we have absolutely no need for a > dedicated swap partition. We never get to 100% RAM usage. I haven't > even set one up. You can always just create a swapfile on your > filesystem for emergency (and then get more RAM). > This give me an idea. Is it possible to tell the system to email you once it has begun to use swap? This way you could use a small swap partition, and when you get an email you might want to consider purchasing more RAM. -Rob From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 25 14:29:20 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:29:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: <46A75969.70500@htt-consult.com> References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> <46A75969.70500@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <1185373760.19603.87.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 09:08 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > Nils Breunese wrote: > >> Is there a list of the major software included with 5.0EL? > > > > It's just CentOS 5 with the LTSP packages added. See here for all > > CentOS 5 packages and their versions: > > http://mirror.centos.org/centos-5/5/os/i386/CentOS/ > Now you have my attention. Being that practically all of my systems are > Centos 5, including this notebook.... > > Time to download and install. Good choice!! It is an excellent release that is showing itself to be very solid. Kudos to all from RedHat to Eric! Note: I'll update my multimedia setup for 64-bit shortly. It seems I can't type (still) and have some bugs in the install script. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 25 14:40:55 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:40:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46A75E15.1000100@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <4C7F1EB5-3E3C-466D-95CE-9C2E982C1C0B@breun.nl> <46A75E15.1000100@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <1185374455.19603.97.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 10:28 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > This give me an idea. Is it possible to tell the system to email you > once it has begun to use swap? This way you could use a small swap > partition, and when you get an email you might want to consider > purchasing more RAM. If the system sits long enough and has swap available, it will always write to it eventually. Even on an unloaded system with no users doing anything it will eventually swap something out. It may take 2-3 days for it to happen... You can run large RAM machines with no swap. By large RAM I mean 2GB and up. After 1GB of RAM, swap is nearly useless anyway. Besides saying "I have a machine with 32GB of SWAP" doesn't sound as cool as "I have a machine with 32GB or RAM". :} If you _really_ want to go "hardcore" make a 2GB ramdisk and use that for swap! -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 16:39:00 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:39:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > You will ALWAYS need a swap partition for the OS. The standard 2GB swap > partition is OK. If you are using software RAID1, create the a pair of > 1GB swap partitions and let swap handle them outside of RAID. Putting > swap on a mirror is a waste of system resources. If you are using > hardware RAID you will have no choice but to put swap on the mirror or > add a third drive. Not sure if I agree. Using 2 or more disks with swap partitions causes linux to effectively use those partitions with striping (RAID 0), thus 1GB+1GB=2GB with no redundancy. The point of having RAID 1 is so your system doesn't go down if one disk fails. Suppose you exhaust RAM and go into swap and that disk fails. You have just lost virtual RAM. Crash. That's why I also put my swap on RAID 1. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 25 18:27:41 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:27:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] BitTorrent tracker for K12LTSP 5.0EL Message-ID: <46A7961D.4080909@cmosnetworks.com> Folks, I just set up a (hopefully working!) tracker at home with Azureus for K12LTSP 5.0EL (the CentOS 5.0-based version). The location of the .torrent file is http://www.cmosnetworks.com/K12LTSP-5.0EL.torrent This is the first time I've set up a torrent. Could someone please give it a shot and tell me if it works? My "other" Internet connection throttles the daylights out of BitTorrent, unfortunately, so I've not yet been able to test it with a full BitTorrent client. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Jul 25 18:56:15 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:56:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BitTorrent tracker for K12LTSP 5.0EL In-Reply-To: <46A7961D.4080909@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46A7961D.4080909@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > I just set up a (hopefully working!) tracker at home with Azureus for > K12LTSP 5.0EL (the CentOS 5.0-based version). The location of the .torrent > file is > > http://www.cmosnetworks.com/K12LTSP-5.0EL.torrent > > This is the first time I've set up a torrent. Could someone please give it > a shot and tell me if it works? And if it does work, keep those seeds running! Is there a particular reason this form of distribution isn't regularly used? I know about rsync -p and wget and other resumeable options, just curious if there's a particular rationale behind no "official" .torrent. -dhbarr. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Jul 25 19:19:24 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:19:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update for K12LTSP 5.0EL fails on avahi-compat-howl Message-ID: <46A7A23C.9040307@scheie.homedns.org> When I run yum update on my 5.0EL box, it fails like so: Downloading header for avahi-compat-howl to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found Trying other mirror. Error: failure: updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. I get a similar failure when I try to install fl_teachertool via yum WRT teachertool-tightvnc. Is something amiss with MESD's repo? Petre From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Jul 25 19:24:35 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:24:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update for K12LTSP 5.0EL fails on avahi-compat-howl In-Reply-To: <46A7A23C.9040307@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46A7A23C.9040307@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46A7A373.5070400@bio-chemvalve.com> I just ran: yum update tzdata -- it was successful yum update pidgin -- I got the following error, even though yum tells me that pidgin is updatable 'Could not find update match for pidgin' Not the same error you got, but an error nonetheless. -Rob Peter Scheie wrote: > When I run yum update on my 5.0EL box, it fails like so: > > Downloading header for avahi-compat-howl to pack into transaction set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm: > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm > from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > I get a similar failure when I try to install fl_teachertool via yum > WRT teachertool-tightvnc. > > Is something amiss with MESD's repo? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 25 22:16:48 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:16:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1185401808.19603.117.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 09:39 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/25/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > You will ALWAYS need a swap partition for the OS. The standard 2GB swap > > partition is OK. If you are using software RAID1, create the a pair of > > 1GB swap partitions and let swap handle them outside of RAID. Putting > > swap on a mirror is a waste of system resources. If you are using > > hardware RAID you will have no choice but to put swap on the mirror or > > add a third drive. > > Not sure if I agree. Using 2 or more disks with swap partitions causes > linux to effectively use those partitions with striping (RAID 0), thus > 1GB+1GB=2GB with no redundancy. The point of having RAID 1 is so your > system doesn't go down if one disk fails. Suppose you exhaust RAM and > go into swap and that disk fails. You have just lost virtual RAM. > Crash. That's why I also put my swap on RAID 1. I agree that that process makes a "fake raid1". But it's swap not data. Yes it will crash if a drive fails. But if a drive fails, I've got bigger problems that lost swap data (which just gets purges on the next reboot anyway). Disk failure will not always cause a system crash. Also by having split swap areas, the ability to turn off swap, deactivate a swap partition and turn on swap is nice. The big advantage is spreading the swap strip over more than one spindle makes for a performance boost. At the point where swap is used, we are into system bog-down mode. I have designed a 3 drive mirrored swap setup that just had HA written all over it. It was designed specifically to not die during a drive failure for any reason. 2 identically sized partitions per each of three drives 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, 3a, 3b. RAID1 of 1a+2a, 1b+3a, 2b+3b. This makes 3 mirrored partition to use for swap. The rest of the drive was also carved up into other RAID1 sections. Loose any drive and the system still works plus on drive replacement the recovery is not as performance damaging as a single drive as mirror master. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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After 1GB of RAM, swap is nearly useless anyway. > > > > Besides saying "I have a machine with 32GB of SWAP" doesn't sound as > > cool as "I have a machine with 32GB or RAM". :} > > > > If you _really_ want to go "hardcore" make a 2GB ramdisk and use that > > for swap! > > Thanks for the info. Jim, if you are trying to do that then it may be even more interesting to see if / or parts of / containing most of the programs (/usr?) could be pivot mounted on to ramdisk The system response would go up like anything. Would be interesting to get comments on that. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jul 26 01:54:51 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:54:51 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <774593a20707251633s14e5b1bejc6d090a3e5407ea2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <4C7F1EB5-3E3C-466D-95CE-9C2E982C1C0B@breun.nl> <46A75E15.1000100@bio-chemvalve.com> <1185374455.19603.97.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070725153031.M85229@winonacotter.org> <774593a20707251633s14e5b1bejc6d090a3e5407ea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1185414891.19603.131.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 05:03 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 25/07/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > You can run large RAM machines with no swap. By large RAM I mean 2GB and > > > up. After 1GB of RAM, swap is nearly useless anyway. > > > > > > Besides saying "I have a machine with 32GB of SWAP" doesn't sound as > > > cool as "I have a machine with 32GB or RAM". :} > > > > > > If you _really_ want to go "hardcore" make a 2GB ramdisk and use that > > > for swap! > > > > Thanks for the info. > > Jim, if you are trying to do that then it may be even more interesting > to see if / or parts of / containing most of the programs (/usr?) > could be pivot mounted on to ramdisk The system response would go up > like anything. Would be interesting to get comments on that. I'm tinkering with a very high performance setup that loads the entire filesystem into a ramdisk on bootup. It takes an extra 4-6 GB RAM to do it but the performance is outstanding (sort of - I run into limits on the networking performance then bus performance for the NICs)!! I am looking at just ram mounting /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/lib64 to thin down the RAM size requirements. I have room in the servers I build and sell for more RAM (they can take up to 32GB of DDR2 667MHz) and an optional board (and 2U case) can push that to 128GB. I don't have that much RAM on hand to test with at the moment :( (I'm holding out cash for the anticipated August release of the quad-core Opterons - yum! - run an whole school on one server...). > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a particular > reason this form of distribution isn't regularly used? > > I know about rsync -p and wget and other resumeable options, just > curious if there's a particular rationale behind no "official" > .torrent. > > -dhbarr. I am also seeding it with the ISO's that I got from rsync'ing. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After 1GB of RAM, swap is nearly useless anyway. > > > > > > > > Besides saying "I have a machine with 32GB of SWAP" doesn't sound as > > > > cool as "I have a machine with 32GB or RAM". :} > > > > > > > > If you _really_ want to go "hardcore" make a 2GB ramdisk and use that > > > > for swap! > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Jim, if you are trying to do that then it may be even more interesting > > to see if / or parts of / containing most of the programs (/usr?) > > could be pivot mounted on to ramdisk The system response would go up > > like anything. Would be interesting to get comments on that. > > I'm tinkering with a very high performance setup that loads the entire > filesystem into a ramdisk on bootup. It takes an extra 4-6 GB RAM to do > it but the performance is outstanding (sort of - I run into limits on > the networking performance then bus performance for the NICs)!! I am > looking at just ram mounting /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/lib64 to thin down > the RAM size requirements. I have room in the servers I build and sell > for more RAM (they can take up to 32GB of DDR2 667MHz) and an optional > board (and 2U case) can push that to 128GB. I don't have that much RAM > on hand to test with at the moment :( (I'm holding out cash for the > anticipated August release of the quad-core Opterons - yum! - run an > whole school on one server...). Yum.... Can you share more of this recipe? Looks very interesting. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Jul 26 12:35:02 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:35:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update for K12LTSP 5.0EL fails on avahi-compat-howl In-Reply-To: <46A7A373.5070400@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46A7A23C.9040307@scheie.homedns.org> <46A7A373.5070400@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46A894F6.4020007@scheie.homedns.org> I fixed the problem by running 'yum clean all'. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > I just ran: > > yum update tzdata -- it was successful > > yum update pidgin -- I got the following error, even though yum tells > me that pidgin is updatable > 'Could not find update match for pidgin' > > Not the same error you got, but an error nonetheless. > > -Rob > > > Peter Scheie wrote: >> When I run yum update on my 5.0EL box, it fails like so: >> >> Downloading header for avahi-compat-howl to pack into transaction set. >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm: >> [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found >> Trying other mirror. >> Error: failure: updates/RPMS/avahi-compat-howl-0.6.16-1.el5.i386.rpm >> from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >> >> I get a similar failure when I try to install fl_teachertool via yum >> WRT teachertool-tightvnc. >> >> Is something amiss with MESD's repo? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 26 17:16:51 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:16:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12OSN MaxSessions exceeded in K12 v. 6.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A8D703.2010702@paasda.org> Julius, did you get this solved? --Huck Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > the vile "MaxSessions exceeded" error has reared its ugly head on > a server running K12 v. 6.0. I am stumped, since the gdm.conf file is no > longer used and I can't seem to find any other place where I get to set > this parameter (gdm.conf has it set to 25000 - enough for 30 users)? > Any ideas, please? Thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mel at melwade.com Thu Jul 26 21:06:49 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:06:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP 5EL Message-ID: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> I've been on vacation for about a month... Can someone give me an update on the 5EL verion? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It will work on version 4.4 but 4.4 won't reconize my RAID controller. http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ I know I'm getting these errors: *smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH *rpm --import usr/share/doc/rpm-4.4.2/RPM-GPG-KEY - not there... Any help would be appreciated: Mel Here is the OS specific section of the script: ############## "centos44" => { # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities in here PATH => "/opt/IDEALX/sbin", netrepo_command => "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; yum -t -y install gcc glibc-headers openldap-servers openldap-clients perl-XML-SAX perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-Net-SSLeay perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay perl-libwww-perl perl-HTML-Parser perl-Digest-SHA1 samba-common perl-HTML-Tagset perl-Net-SSLeay samba perl-LDAP; yum -t -y --enablerepo=dag install perl-Compress-Zlib", rpms => { 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm ' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, ' perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, }, }, # end centos44 ############# -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7/26/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/26/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > Can you give me the location again??? > > > > I can't seem to find it on K12LTSP.org... > > 32bit ISOs: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-iso/* . > > > 32bit DVD: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-dvd/* . > > > > 64bit ISOs: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-iso/* . > > > 64bit DVD: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-dvd/* . > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Jul 26 23:03:33 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:03:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP 5EL In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707261529h235ac957lbada44528f13403e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> <0BDE3366-1D22-47A8-9AEB-BFB50AAD0D1B@breun.nl> <43080f460707261526hd824414r24245371de1533d@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707261529h235ac957lbada44528f13403e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A92845.10200@scheie.homedns.org> Is there a reason there's no link to these on the download page on the k12ltsp.org website? Dan Young wrote: > On 7/26/07, Mel Wade wrote: >> Can you give me the location again??? >> >> I can't seem to find it on K12LTSP.org... > > 32bit ISOs: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-iso/* . > > > 32bit DVD: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-dvd/* . > > > > 64bit ISOs: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-iso/* . > > > 64bit DVD: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-dvd/* . > From mel at melwade.com Thu Jul 26 22:57:10 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:57:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> I'm also getting this error: Error getting repository data for dag, repository not found I think it's coming from: --enablerepo=dag On 7/26/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? It will > work on version 4.4 but 4.4 won't reconize my RAID controller. > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ > > I know I'm getting these errors: > *smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH > *rpm --import usr/share/doc/rpm-4.4.2/RPM-GPG-KEY - not there... > > Any help would be appreciated: > > Mel > > Here is the OS specific section of the script: > > ############## > "centos44" => > { > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities in > here > PATH => "/opt/IDEALX/sbin", > > netrepo_command => "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; yum -t -y > install gcc glibc-headers openldap-servers openldap-clients perl-XML-SAX > perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-Net-SSLeay perl-XML-NamespaceSupport > perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay perl-libwww-perl perl-HTML-Parser > perl-Digest-SHA1 samba-common perl-HTML-Tagset perl-Net-SSLeay samba > perl-LDAP; yum -t -y --enablerepo=dag install perl-Compress-Zlib", > > rpms => > { > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm ' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > ' perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > }, > > }, # end centos44 > ############# > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, the latest fedora installer lets you specify additional yum repositories for cases when an internet connection is readily available at the time of install. I very much appreciate the work Eric Harrison does on this project, and if lifting the burden of full CD/DVDs and non-ltsp updates from him would help out, I'm all for it. Luis From nils at breun.nl Fri Jul 27 01:13:42 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:13:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... In-Reply-To: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> References: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <807B27AA-7AAE-4212-8AA4-FA969DD6C3A7@breun.nl> Luis Montes wrote: > Forgive me if this has been asked before, but why is k12ltsp an > entire distro and not just a yum repository? > > I understand that k12ltsp makes it easy to do LTSP installs at the > time of installing the operating system, especially for new users. > I aslo understand that people may wish to install an LTSP server > that may not have internet access readily available, but there are > ways around those issues. > We could do local installs with an iso or tarball of all the > k12ltsp rpms for a specific spin of fedora, say Fedora7's launch > release. Also, the latest fedora installer lets you specify > additional yum repositories for cases when an internet connection > is readily available at the time of install. > > I very much appreciate the work Eric Harrison does on this project, > and if lifting the burden of full CD/DVDs and non-ltsp updates from > him would help out, I'm all for it. I believe people are working to get LTSP into Fedora and other distributions, but until that time K12LTSP is the easiest way to get going with LTSP. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Jul 27 01:25:56 2007 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:25:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... In-Reply-To: <807B27AA-7AAE-4212-8AA4-FA969DD6C3A7@breun.nl> References: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> <807B27AA-7AAE-4212-8AA4-FA969DD6C3A7@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46A949A4.4060805@cox.net> Nils Breunese wrote: > Luis Montes wrote: > >> Forgive me if this has been asked before, but why is k12ltsp an >> entire distro and not just a yum repository? >> >> I understand that k12ltsp makes it easy to do LTSP installs at the >> time of installing the operating system, especially for new users. I >> aslo understand that people may wish to install an LTSP server that >> may not have internet access readily available, but there are ways >> around those issues. >> We could do local installs with an iso or tarball of all the k12ltsp >> rpms for a specific spin of fedora, say Fedora7's launch release. >> Also, the latest fedora installer lets you specify additional yum >> repositories for cases when an internet connection is readily >> available at the time of install. >> >> I very much appreciate the work Eric Harrison does on this project, >> and if lifting the burden of full CD/DVDs and non-ltsp updates from >> him would help out, I'm all for it. > > I believe people are working to get LTSP into Fedora and other > distributions, but until that time K12LTSP is the easiest way to get > going with LTSP. > > Nils Breunese. Redhat and Suse have both talked about thin client support in the past, but I've never seen anything materialize. I even follow the fedora-dev list, and haven't seen anything LTSP related. As far as I can tell, the only mainstream distro to actually do anything with LTSP is Ubuntu's muekow implementation. K12LTSP is definitely the easiest way to get going, but how much more difficult is it to click on something like a k12ltsp-release.rpm file and then "yum install k12ltsp-meta-package" ? After that a simple post install script could be automatically run. This also has the added benefit of brining in existing fedora users that don't want to do a full install of k12ltsp when they already have a perfectly good, fully updated fedora install running. Luis From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Fri Jul 27 01:47:38 2007 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:47:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... Message-ID: <3E15EC16283B4045B529D7BF522C0E10.MAI@schooldesk.net> Luis wrote: ----- Forgive me if this has been asked before, but why is k12ltsp an entire distro and not just a yum repository? I understand that k12ltsp makes it easy to do LTSP installs at the time of installing the operating system, especially for new users. I aslo understand that people may wish to install an LTSP server that may not have internet access readily available, but there are ways around those issues. We could do local installs with an iso or tarball of all the k12ltsp rpms for a specific spin of fedora, say Fedora7's launch release. Also, the latest fedora installer lets you specify additional yum repositories for cases when an internet connection is readily available at the time of install. I very much appreciate the work Eric Harrison does on this project, and if lifting the burden of full CD/DVDs and non-ltsp updates from him would help out, I'm all for it. Luis -------- I can't speak for Eric, but I believe his intention is to make it easier and more readily accessible to schools and school personnel who either don't have the budgets to keep funding Micro$oft or to continuously replace aging hardware everytime a new version of Winwhatever comes or who don't have the expertise or manpower to implement Linux and add-on other bells and whistles like LTSP. It's kind of a "one-stop-shop" for those who want to jump into the FOSS world. I'm fairly good with Netware (3, 5, & 6) and have some Windows experience, but K12LTSP is my first real experience into Linux. I learn something new every day. Linux (and K12LTSP) is not a "be all, fix all", but it's getting there. Sure, it'll never be too simple to install, but for universal acceptance, it's got to get more user friendly. Sure, you can install it your way. Anyone fairly competent in Linux could do it. K12LTSP is for the rest of us. I like having one place to go. Even with this, there's a lot of tweaking that has to be done. I'm not even using version 6 anymore and not going to try 7. Why? 5.0EL. It totally rocks, I've set up 2 different computer labs at our elementary school to use as test beds and so far so good. I had to do a lot of tweaking to get sound to work in Flash, but other than that, it's pretty solid. I do have problems with the server slowing up occasionally. It's a 2.4Ghz Xeon with 4 GB ram, 2 GB nic's, and dual 30GB SCSI's. Actually, both servers are configured the same. I'm excited about the potential for this technology, if my test labs are successful and I continue to learn more about Linux and how to make it sing, we'll probably begin moving everything (as much as feasible) over to this platform. Pardon my lengthiness, but please consider us newbies. We're trying - we just need a few crutches. One more comment, as for the user friendliness, if it's going to stay as stable as it is, it'll never be too user friendly. Remember the old saying, "make a system that's completely idiotproof and only an idiot will want to use it. Keep up the good work, Eric! Ronnie From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 27 05:16:59 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:16:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... In-Reply-To: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> References: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <46A97FCB.9080200@futuresource.com> luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > Forgive me if this has been asked before, but why is k12ltsp an entire distro and not just a yum repository? I think you could add the extra stuff into an existing stock install with some yum commands, but one advantage of the distribution is that it includes whatever updates have been released to the underlying disto by the time the CDs are rebuilt so it saves some time in the subsequent updates. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Jul 27 10:04:47 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've not actually run the script on CentOS5 but I've used it's contents to setup several Samba / LDAP slave servers in college. Here's a copy of my notes from our WIKI, once you've manually install the extra packages etc you could try running the installer script again but telling it that it's CentOS4.4. The notes are for installing on a x86_64 machine so things like the rpmforge-release you might have to install the correct package for x386 but it'll give you a guide / idea. I do have to replace our main LDAP / Samba 3 server this summer so when I do I'll try and tweak the script to work out the box. ProtectBase You should make sure that you have ProtectBase installed. yum-protectbase is available in the CentOS 5 repositories: yum install yum-protectbase Plugins are enabled in CentOS 5 by default. Edit the file /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the [base] and [update] and [centosplus] section: protect=1 Leave the [centosplus] section disabled: enabled=0 Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the other sections protect=0 Download the rpmforge-release package. wget http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/RPMS.dag/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm (You can find a complete list of rpmforge-release package packages at http://dag.wieers.com/packages/rpmforge-release/ but it is recommended that you use one of the two listed above). Install DAG's GPG key rpm --import http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.dag.txt Verify the package you have downloaded rpm -K rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm Security warning: The rpmforge-release package imports GPG keys into your RPM database. As long as you have verified the package and trust Dag then it should be safe. Install the package rpm -i rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm This will add a yum repository config file and import the appropriate GPG keys. Test with this command: yum check-update It should output these two lines: Loading "protectbase" plugin ... 76 packages excluded due to repository protections The number above may differ, but there should be several packages shown as being excluded. [edit] Install Extra Packages yum install ntp yum install apcupsd Install needed rpms for Samba3 / Openldap (found from Smbldap installer script) yum install perl-XML-SAX-Base perl-Unicode-String perl-IO-Socket-SSL perl-Crypt-SmbHash perl-Convert-BER Install actual servers & dependants yum install perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-libwww-perl yum install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay yum install perl-Digest-SHA1 perl-LDAP yum install gcc glibc-headers yum install openldap-servers openldap-clients yum install samba-common samba yum install apcupsd yum install net-snmp Install Webmin for easy configuration (example below is current version but visit www.webmin.com for latest version) wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm rpm -U webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm Mel Wade wrote: > I'm also getting this error: > > Error getting repository data for dag, repository not found > > I think it's coming from: --enablerepo=dag > > On 7/26/07, * Mel Wade* > wrote: > > Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? > It will work on version 4.4 but 4.4 won't reconize my RAID controller. > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ > > I know I'm getting these errors: > *smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH > *rpm --import usr/share/doc/rpm-4.4.2/RPM-GPG-KEY - not there... > > Any help would be appreciated: > > Mel > > Here is the OS specific section of the script: > > ############## > "centos44" => > { > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts > utilities in here > PATH => "/opt/IDEALX/sbin", > > netrepo_command => "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; yum > -t -y install gcc glibc-headers openldap-servers openldap-clients > perl-XML-SAX perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-Net-SSLeay > perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay > perl-libwww-perl perl-HTML-Parser perl-Digest-SHA1 samba-common > perl-HTML-Tagset perl-Net-SSLeay samba perl-LDAP; yum -t -y > --enablerepo=dag install perl-Compress-Zlib", > > rpms => > { > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm ' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > ' perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > }, > > }, # end centos44 > ############# > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." > - BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 15:58:15 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:58:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't login from secondary server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50707270858v7e51fc90tb2eb5ac29d7b4ce2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for documenting this on the list, it may help someone else in the future! John On 7/22/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Solved. I had filled up the secondary servers hard drive. I had forgotten > that I had a backup of /home in there. Deleted a few files. Restored ldap > and I was back in business. > > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > It is an smbldap problem. This machine is a client of the other smbldap > server. How do I fix the following error? > > > > [root at k12ltsp2 ~]# service ldap start > > Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown > detected; attempting recovery. > > bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if > errors are encountered. > > bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): unable to join the > environment > > bdb_db_open: Database cannot be opened, err 11. Restore from backup! > > bdb(dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz): DB_ENV->lock_id_free > interface requires an environment configured for the locking subsystem > > backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed! (11) > > slap_startup failed (test would succeed using the -u switch) > > > [FAILED] > > stale lock files may be present in /var/lib/ldap [WARNING] > > > > > > > > > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I erbooted the secondary server and still ca't log in. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/07/07, Krsnendu dasa < krsnendu108 at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > I have two ltsp servers. One mounts /home by nfs from the other. > > > > > > > > When logging in on terminals that are booting from the server with > /home it works fine. From the other server we get the error- > > > > GDM could not wirte to your authorisation file. This could mean that > you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened > for writing. In any case, it is not possible to login. Please contact your > system administrator. > > > > > > > > What do i have to do to fix this? > > > > /home seems to be mounted. As root I can list the directories although > I do not have access to the /home directories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 16:35:28 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:35:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] slave ldap not working properly Message-ID: All of last year, the slave ldap server worked flawlessly, but today no one can log in using it, it gives the following at a command prompt if try to su to a user: #su - student01 su: user student01 does not exist I can point authentication back to the main ldap server to get around it, but ... strange. I ran slapd_db_recover, tried deleting all the __db* files and recreating, tried deleting all the dbd files and re-indexing, but nothing helped. 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In-Reply-To: <46A97FCB.9080200@futuresource.com> References: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> <46A97FCB.9080200@futuresource.com> Message-ID: I think as a distro there is a better community built around it. And great support. I know that setting up another distro with all the basics such as multimedia, flash, java, etc. takes longer than it does using a k12ltsp setup. Not too mention the LTSP aspect already being setup as well. On that note I came across a small issue with a client not booting up, it was because of a dhcp error. I quickly found the answer in previous list questions and made an entry in the wiki considering it had happened before and involved different hardware. My first actual contribution to the group that has made using Linux at school so easy. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... > > luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > > Forgive me if this has been asked before, but why is > k12ltsp an entire distro and not just a yum repository? > > I think you could add the extra stuff into an existing stock > install with some yum commands, but one advantage of the > distribution is that it includes whatever updates have been > released to the underlying disto by the time the CDs are > rebuilt so it saves some time in the subsequent updates. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Jul 27 18:44:16 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:44:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine In-Reply-To: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love it. It seems to be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with integration into AD. Actually everything is working great except I'm having some weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my server at school and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But every time it's the same, there is no text in wine. The menus, buttons, etc, are there, but no text. I've checked for font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've always had great luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it for a couple of legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on K12LTSP 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. Also, I've got another app that won't run under wine, and was considering using a virtual xp setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? Or would it just be easier to run a windows terminal server? Thanks. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Jul 27 18:46:47 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:46:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46A75E15.1000100@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org><4C7F1EB5-3E3C-466D-95CE-9C2E982C1C0B@breun.nl> <46A75E15.1000100@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: If this has already be answered sorry, I believe I saw a way to do that in Webmin earlier today. I was just looking through all the things you can do with it and I know there were ways to have it alert you through email for a lot of stuff, so you might look into that. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:29 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions > > Nils Breunese wrote: > > > > Op 25-jul-2007, om 15:40 heeft Jim Kronebusch het volgende > geschreven: > > > >> How big should they be? I have read places that too large > of a Swap > >> partition is bad, I have also read that a good rule of thumb is to > >> make your swap partition twice the size of your RAM. In my case I > >> have 16GB of RAM. Does that mean I should have 32GB swap > partitions? > > > > That sounds a bit ridiculous. I have a server with 4GB of RAM and > > since we don't have that much users, we have absolutely no > need for a > > dedicated swap partition. We never get to 100% RAM usage. I haven't > > even set one up. You can always just create a swapfile on your > > filesystem for emergency (and then get more RAM). > > > This give me an idea. Is it possible to tell the system to > email you once it has begun to use swap? This way you could > use a small swap partition, and when you get an email you > might want to consider purchasing more RAM. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 27 19:17:27 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:17:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> I think I had to install the 'fontforge' package from the rpmforge repo in order to get text in my menus in wine. I don't know why fontforge isn't considered a dependency of wine, since it seems to be required. -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love it. It seems to > be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with integration > into AD. Actually everything is working great except I'm having some > weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my server at school > and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But every time it's the > same, there is no text in wine. The menus, buttons, etc, are there, but > no text. I've checked for font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. > Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've always had great > luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it for a couple of > legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on K12LTSP > 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. Also, I've got another > app that won't run under wine, and was considering using a virtual xp > setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? Or would it just be easier > to run a windows terminal server? Thanks. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-I School District > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Jul 27 19:18:10 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:18:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine In-Reply-To: <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46AA44F2.4050502@bio-chemvalve.com> By the way, I installed wine from the rpmforge repository. -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > I think I had to install the 'fontforge' package from the rpmforge repo > in order to get text in my menus in wine. I don't know why fontforge > isn't considered a dependency of wine, since it seems to be required. > > -Rob > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > >> I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love it. It seems to >> be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with integration >> into AD. Actually everything is working great except I'm having some >> weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my server at school >> and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But every time it's the >> same, there is no text in wine. The menus, buttons, etc, are there, but >> no text. I've checked for font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. >> Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've always had great >> luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it for a couple of >> legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on K12LTSP >> 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. Also, I've got another >> app that won't run under wine, and was considering using a virtual xp >> setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? Or would it just be easier >> to run a windows terminal server? Thanks. >> >> Levi Kemp >> Technology Specialist >> Bolivar R-I School District >> 417-328-8943 >> lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Fri Jul 27 19:24:19 2007 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:24:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 Can't execute scripts from Media Drive Message-ID: Does anyone know why you can not execute shell scripts from the media drive in K12LTSP 5.0? According to the terminal window, it advises me that permissions can not be determined. If I copy the *.sh file to the desktop which has the path to the media drive and the *.sh script, everything installs as it should. Is there a fix for this?? Thanks group Jeffrey Myers El Dorado, KS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Jul 27 19:56:32 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:56:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine In-Reply-To: <46AA44F2.4050502@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> <46AA44F2.4050502@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rob, Not sure how I missed it. Also under System and Server Status in Webmin you can set up a monitor for Free Memory and put in a minimum amount of Free Memory and to email you if it reaches that number. It also tells you how much Memory is still free when you look at it. I'm going to log in with all 30 clients in my lab later to see the effects on the memory. I've got a server running two 2.2GHz Xeons with 4GB Ram and 5 32GB 15k SCSI's, I'm hoping it will be enough to cover closer to 60 clients, but who knows. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:18 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine > > By the way, I installed wine from the rpmforge repository. > > -Rob > > Rob Owens wrote: > > I think I had to install the 'fontforge' package from the rpmforge > > repo in order to get text in my menus in wine. I don't know why > > fontforge isn't considered a dependency of wine, since it > seems to be required. > > > > -Rob > > > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > >> I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love > it. It seems > >> to be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with > >> integration into AD. Actually everything is working great > except I'm > >> having some weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my > >> server at school and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But > >> every time it's the same, there is no text in wine. The menus, > >> buttons, etc, are there, but no text. I've checked for > font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. > >> Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've > always had great > >> luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it > for a couple > >> of legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on > >> K12LTSP 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. > Also, I've > >> got another app that won't run under wine, and was > considering using > >> a virtual xp setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? > Or would > >> it just be easier to run a windows terminal server? Thanks. > >> > >> Levi Kemp > >> Technology Specialist > >> Bolivar R-I School District > >> 417-328-8943 > >> lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Jul 27 19:58:14 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 Can't execute scripts from Media Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1185566294.20540.10.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Most of the things that get mounted in the media drive are fat format which doesn't support the execute concept. So the run a schell script that is on the thumbdrive mounted in /media/disk use: sh /media/disk/script.sh On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:24 -0500, Jeffrey Myers wrote: > Does anyone know why you can not execute shell scripts from the media > drive in K12LTSP 5.0? According to the terminal window, it advises me > that permissions can not be determined. If I copy the *.sh file to > the desktop which has the path to the media drive and the *.sh script, > everything installs as it should. Is there a fix for this?? 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Is there a particular > reason this form of distribution isn't regularly used? > > I know about rsync -p and wget and other resumeable options, just > curious if there's a particular rationale behind no "official" > .torrent. > > -dhbarr. IT WORKS! I just tested it from a friend's cable modem. Had to make an adjustment or two to my tracker, but it does indeed work. It is the latest K12LTSP 5.0EL rsync as of last night. There are currently two seeds--both of them mine. This will save bandwidth on k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric's server), so please use the torrent if you can. --TP From daengbo at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 02:35:26 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:35:26 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp distribution thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <24222863.1185497858106.JavaMail.root@fed1wml25.mgt.cox.net> <46A97FCB.9080200@futuresource.com> Message-ID: Well, I used to use the K12LTSP repos (back around version 2, I guess) to easily put LTSP on my local Thai language distribution, LinuxTLE. People can and do use the repositories, is what I'm saying. The K12LTSP install disk has been the easiest way to get a setup running since the 1.0 days, which is why it was so successful. Dan From pnakashi at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 06:31:10 2007 From: pnakashi at yahoo.com (P Nakashima) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] eSIS and K12LTSP 6 Message-ID: <766233.8146.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, Anyone out there using eSIS with K12LTSP? We had no problem running eSIS from our thin clients until our eSIS system went through an "upgrade." Now we get the missing plug-in message. Then we get routed to the Sun Java 1.4.2_06 download site. I think the system is looking for Oracle's Jinitiator 1.3.1.22. Java is installed on our K12LTSP server. I did some Googling and I've tried editing pluginreg.dat with no success. Anyone have success with eSIS (updated version) and K12LTSP 6? --Peter --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 28 18:46:53 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:46:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eSIS and K12LTSP 6 In-Reply-To: <766233.8146.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <766233.8146.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707281146s27148e16k51fa0d54a50554a8@mail.gmail.com> On 7/27/07, P Nakashima wrote: > Hi all, > Anyone out there using eSIS with K12LTSP? > We had no problem running eSIS from our thin clients until our eSIS system > went through an "upgrade." Now we get the missing plug-in message. Then we > get routed to the Sun Java 1.4.2_06 download site. I think the system is > looking for Oracle's Jinitiator 1.3.1.22. Java is installed on our K12LTSP > server. I did some Googling and I've tried editing pluginreg.dat with no > success. Anyone have success with eSIS (updated version) and K12LTSP 6? I don't remember the details too well, but I think it was that the eSIS app server is only certified against specific versions of the JRE (which is effectively what the Jinitiator is). The eSIS config can be massaged to accept connections from other JREs, which is what we did, specifically from Linux hosts. So the long and short of it is that you need to either install the 1.4.2_06 JRE or get your eSIS people to allow connections from other JREs in Linux. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Sun Jul 29 13:47:27 2007 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:47:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? Message-ID: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I have been authentificating my users against Netware for the past 6-7 years, it was rock solid and dependable but now the IT personnel is shutting down soon Netware for Windows ;-(( I have seen alot of stuff about AD authentification and home folder mounting and i am confused, what is the best method with the most recent windows server version? I need authentification and home folder mounting. Please point me to the appropriate howtos. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada From mel at melwade.com Sun Jul 29 23:00:18 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:00:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> Here's a Howto on the wiki that I compiled from several sources: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration Mel On 7/29/07, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > I have been authentificating my users against Netware for the past 6-7 > years, it was rock solid and dependable but now the IT personnel is shutting > down soon Netware for Windows ;-(( I have seen alot of stuff about AD > authentification and home folder mounting and i am confused, what is the > best method with the most recent windows server version? I need > authentification and home folder mounting. Please point me to the > appropriate howtos. > > > > Guy Lessard > Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais > Gatineau, Qu?bec > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us Mon Jul 30 12:41:17 2007 From: cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us (Chandler Blum) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:41:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1185799277.3663.36.camel@chanbox.local> Make sure that when you setup your home directory shares you share out each user's folder and not just a top level folder. Samba cannot mount a folder inside the share, it can only mount the share itself. So in our case we share out E:\Users and inside the users folder we have each users home directory. In windows thats not a problem but in Samba it is. We would need to share out E:\Users\User1, E:\Users\User2, etc, etc, for it to work. Just something to watch out for. By the way, if anyone knows of a way to get samba to mount a folder within a share let me know :D On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 16:00 -0700, Mel Wade wrote: > Here's a Howto on the wiki that I compiled from several sources: > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration > > Mel > > On 7/29/07, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I have been authentificating my users against Netware for the > past 6-7 years, it was rock solid and dependable but now the > IT personnel is shutting down soon Netware for Windows ;-(( I > have seen alot of stuff about AD authentification and home > folder mounting and i am confused, what is the best method > with the most recent windows server version? I need > authentification and home folder mounting. Please point me to > the appropriate howtos. > > > > Guy Lessard > Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais > Gatineau, Qu?bec > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Chandler Blum Network Tech Newburyport Public Schools cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 30 15:21:52 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:21:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <1185799277.3663.36.camel@chanbox.local> References: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1185799277.3663.36.camel@chanbox.local> Message-ID: <994441ae0707300821x34ab5c55x82fe4497698a0b4c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/07, Chandler Blum wrote: > By the way, if anyone knows of a way to get samba to mount a folder > within a share let me know :D Any reason you can't share it in both places? I've done things like: [homes] # effectively "path = /home/%u" writeable = Yes browseable = No create mask = 700 directory mask = 700 [web] path = /home/%u/.public_html create mask = 704 valid users = %U write list = %U writeable = Yes No reason you can't share out parts of the same path twice, except possibly locking issues. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Mon Jul 30 15:43:33 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:43:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707300821x34ab5c55x82fe4497698a0b4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1185799277.3663.36.camel@chanbox.local> <994441ae0707300821x34ab5c55x82fe4497698a0b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460707300843r23ee82fas36419d5e8e7abe32@mail.gmail.com> But if you have 300+ users it becomes a bit more of a time issue to share every folder... On 7/30/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/30/07, Chandler Blum wrote: > > By the way, if anyone knows of a way to get samba to mount a folder > > within a share let me know :D > > Any reason you can't share it in both places? I've done things like: > > [homes] > # effectively "path = /home/%u" > writeable = Yes > browseable = No > create mask = 700 > directory mask = 700 > > [web] > path = /home/%u/.public_html > create mask = 704 > valid users = %U > write list = %U > writeable = Yes > > No reason you can't share out parts of the same path twice, except > possibly locking issues. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 30 15:46:09 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:46:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <43080f460707300843r23ee82fas36419d5e8e7abe32@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AC622F020000BB00005279@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <43080f460707291600k4902c839vb6590ca5eb22e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1185799277.3663.36.camel@chanbox.local> <994441ae0707300821x34ab5c55x82fe4497698a0b4c@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707300843r23ee82fas36419d5e8e7abe32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707300846r494cfbfer4fa500bd887af1b5@mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > But if you have 300+ users it becomes a bit more of a time issue to share > every folder... Isn't that what the %u macros are for? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Mon Jul 30 16:01:57 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:01:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> I followed these instructions and then ran the smbldap script and got the following error: "smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH." I found smbldap-populate in this location: /usr/share/doc/samba-3.0.23c/LDAP/smbldap-tools-0.9.2 and added it to the path, but no dice.... Mel On 7/27/07, Brian Chivers wrote: > > I've not actually run the script on CentOS5 but I've used it's contents to > setup several Samba / > LDAP slave servers in college. > > Here's a copy of my notes from our WIKI, once you've manually install the > extra packages etc you > could try running the installer script again but telling it that it's > CentOS4.4. > > The notes are for installing on a x86_64 machine so things like the > rpmforge-release you might have > to install the correct package for x386 but it'll give you a guide / idea. > > I do have to replace our main LDAP / Samba 3 server this summer so when I > do I'll try and tweak the > script to work out the box. > > > > ProtectBase > > You should make sure that you have ProtectBase installed. yum-protectbase > is available in the CentOS > 5 repositories: > > yum install yum-protectbase > > Plugins are enabled in CentOS 5 by default. > > Edit the file /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line > to the [base] and > [update] and [centosplus] section: > > protect=1 > > Leave the [centosplus] section disabled: > > enabled=0 > > Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the > other sections > > protect=0 > > Download the rpmforge-release package. > > wget > http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/RPMS.dag/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm > > (You can find a complete list of rpmforge-release package packages at > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/rpmforge-release/ but it is recommended > that you use one of the two > listed above). > > Install DAG's GPG key > > rpm --import http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.dag.txt > > Verify the package you have downloaded > > rpm -K rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm > > Security warning: The rpmforge-release package imports GPG keys into your > RPM database. As long as > you have verified the package and trust Dag then it should be safe. > > Install the package > > rpm -i rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm > > This will add a yum repository config file and import the appropriate GPG > keys. > > Test with this command: > > yum check-update > > It should output these two lines: > > Loading "protectbase" plugin ... 76 packages excluded due to repository > protections > > The number above may differ, but there should be several packages shown as > being excluded. > > > [edit] > Install Extra Packages > > yum install ntp > yum install apcupsd > > Install needed rpms for Samba3 / Openldap (found from Smbldap installer > script) > > yum install perl-XML-SAX-Base perl-Unicode-String perl-IO-Socket-SSL > perl-Crypt-SmbHash > perl-Convert-BER > > Install actual servers & dependants > > yum install perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-libwww-perl > yum install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay > yum install perl-Digest-SHA1 perl-LDAP > yum install gcc glibc-headers > yum install openldap-servers openldap-clients > yum install samba-common samba > yum install apcupsd > yum install net-snmp > > > Install Webmin for easy configuration (example below is current version > but visit www.webmin.com for > latest version) > > wget > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm > rpm -U webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm also getting this error: > > > > Error getting repository data for dag, repository not found > > > > I think it's coming from: --enablerepo=dag > > > > On 7/26/07, * Mel Wade* > > wrote: > > > > Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? > > It will work on version 4.4 but 4.4 won't reconize my RAID > controller. > > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ > > > > I know I'm getting these errors: > > *smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH > > *rpm --import usr/share/doc/rpm-4.4.2/RPM-GPG-KEY - not there... > > > > Any help would be appreciated: > > > > Mel > > > > Here is the OS specific section of the script: > > > > ############## > > "centos44" => > > { > > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts > > utilities in here > > PATH => "/opt/IDEALX/sbin", > > > > netrepo_command => "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; yum > > -t -y install gcc glibc-headers openldap-servers openldap-clients > > perl-XML-SAX perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-Net-SSLeay > > perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay > > perl-libwww-perl perl-HTML-Parser perl-Digest-SHA1 samba-common > > perl-HTML-Tagset perl-Net-SSLeay samba perl-LDAP; yum -t -y > > --enablerepo=dag install perl-Compress-Zlib", > > > > rpms => > > { > > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm ' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > ' perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > { > > medianames => "script", > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > }, > > > > }, > > > > }, # end centos44 > > ############# > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." > > - BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Jul 30 18:12:33 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:12:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> I got around this by removing perl-LDAP and then reinstalling the smbldap tool. Now I get this error message: Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/sbin/ /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5/5.8.8/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 5, line 225. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 5, line 225. Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 35, line 225. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 35, line 225. failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > I followed these instructions and then ran the smbldap script and got the > following error: > > "smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH." > > I found smbldap-populate in this location: > /usr/share/doc/samba- 3.0.23c/LDAP/smbldap-tools-0.9.2 > and added it to the path, but no dice.... > > Mel > > On 7/27/07, Brian Chivers < brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > I've not actually run the script on CentOS5 but I've used it's contents > > to setup several Samba / > > LDAP slave servers in college. > > > > Here's a copy of my notes from our WIKI, once you've manually install > > the extra packages etc you > > could try running the installer script again but telling it that it's > > CentOS4.4. > > > > The notes are for installing on a x86_64 machine so things like the > > rpmforge-release you might have > > to install the correct package for x386 but it'll give you a guide / > > idea. > > > > I do have to replace our main LDAP / Samba 3 server this summer so when > > I do I'll try and tweak the > > script to work out the box. > > > > > > > > ProtectBase > > > > You should make sure that you have ProtectBase installed. > > yum-protectbase is available in the CentOS > > 5 repositories: > > > > yum install yum-protectbase > > > > Plugins are enabled in CentOS 5 by default. > > > > Edit the file /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following > > line to the [base] and > > [update] and [centosplus] section: > > > > protect=1 > > > > Leave the [centosplus] section disabled: > > > > enabled=0 > > > > Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the > > other sections > > > > protect=0 > > > > Download the rpmforge-release package. > > > > wget > > http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/RPMS.dag/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm > > > > (You can find a complete list of rpmforge-release package packages at > > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/rpmforge-release/ but it is recommended > > that you use one of the two > > listed above). > > > > Install DAG's GPG key > > > > rpm --import http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.dag.txt > > > > Verify the package you have downloaded > > > > rpm -K rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm > > > > Security warning: The rpmforge-release package imports GPG keys into > > your RPM database. As long as > > you have verified the package and trust Dag then it should be safe. > > > > Install the package > > > > rpm -i rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm > > > > This will add a yum repository config file and import the appropriate > > GPG keys. > > > > Test with this command: > > > > yum check-update > > > > It should output these two lines: > > > > Loading "protectbase" plugin ... 76 packages excluded due to repository > > protections > > > > The number above may differ, but there should be several packages shown > > as being excluded. > > > > > > [edit] > > Install Extra Packages > > > > yum install ntp > > yum install apcupsd > > > > Install needed rpms for Samba3 / Openldap (found from Smbldap installer > > script) > > > > yum install perl-XML-SAX-Base perl-Unicode-String perl-IO-Socket-SSL > > perl-Crypt-SmbHash > > perl-Convert-BER > > > > Install actual servers & dependants > > > > yum install perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-libwww-perl > > yum install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay > > yum install perl-Digest-SHA1 perl-LDAP > > yum install gcc glibc-headers > > yum install openldap-servers openldap-clients > > yum install samba-common samba > > yum install apcupsd > > yum install net-snmp > > > > > > Install Webmin for easy configuration (example below is current version > > but visit www.webmin.com for > > latest version) > > > > wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm > > > > rpm -U webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm > > > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > > I'm also getting this error: > > > > > > Error getting repository data for dag, repository not found > > > > > > I think it's coming from: --enablerepo=dag > > > > > > On 7/26/07, * Mel Wade* > > > wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? > > > It will work on version 4.4 but 4.4 won't reconize my RAID > > controller. > > > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ > > > > > > I know I'm getting these errors: > > > *smbldap-populate is not in my $PATH > > > *rpm --import usr/share/doc/rpm-4.4.2/RPM-GPG-KEY - not there... > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated: > > > > > > Mel > > > > > > Here is the OS specific section of the script: > > > > > > ############## > > > "centos44" => > > > { > > > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts > > > utilities in here > > > PATH => "/opt/IDEALX/sbin", > > > > > > netrepo_command => "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; > > yum > > > -t -y install gcc glibc-headers openldap-servers openldap-clients > > > perl-XML-SAX perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-Net-SSLeay > > > perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay > > > perl-libwww-perl perl-HTML-Parser perl-Digest-SHA1 samba-common > > > perl-HTML-Tagset perl-Net-SSLeay samba perl-LDAP; yum -t -y > > > --enablerepo=dag install perl-Compress-Zlib", > > > > > > rpms => > > > { > > > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm ' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > ' perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm' => > > > { > > > medianames => "script", > > > path => "PWD/rpms", > > > }, > > > > > > }, > > > > > > }, # end centos44 > > > ############# > > > > > > -- > > > Mel Wade > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men > > do." > > > - BF Skinner > > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mel Wade > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > > > > BF Skinner > > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > > > the views of Portsmouth College > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 30 18:21:10 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/sbin/ Looks like you need perl-Crypt-SmbHash. Not yet built for EPEL[1]: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/P.group.html If you're OK with stuff installed outside RPMs, you could install with CPAN: cpan Crypt::SmbHash [1] Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (i.e. Fedora Extras for RHEL and CentOS) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From nils at breun.nl Mon Jul 30 18:27:45 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:27:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FA9D196-8C72-4DB2-B505-10399DD04CA2@breun.nl> Dan Young wrote: > On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: >> Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/sbin/ > > Looks like you need perl-Crypt-SmbHash. Not yet built for EPEL[1]: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/ > P.group.html > > If you're OK with stuff installed outside RPMs, you could install > with CPAN: > cpan Crypt::SmbHash I like the Dag/rpmforge repository myself (not compatible with EPEL I believe) and they do have perl-Crypt-SmbHash in their yum repo. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Jul 30 18:55:32 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460707301155g4edda97fw29a96ece9dd12c18@mail.gmail.com> That did the trick. Thank. On 7/30/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/sbin/ > > Looks like you need perl-Crypt-SmbHash. Not yet built for EPEL[1]: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/P.group.html > > If you're OK with stuff installed outside RPMs, you could install with > CPAN: > cpan Crypt::SmbHash > > [1] Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (i.e. Fedora Extras for RHEL and > CentOS) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Jul 30 22:14:55 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:14:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707301155g4edda97fw29a96ece9dd12c18@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707261557h21028bf2y71392ab4364874b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A9C33F.1060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43080f460707300901r6b05a415wceba4df7aff473e8@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707301112h795548c4rba83b23c8e6ef82e@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0707301121s73c276a9raeb0b14ae8eda7e7@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460707301155g4edda97fw29a96ece9dd12c18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460707301514s28c0437bn218850b4eba1c2dc@mail.gmail.com> After a restart I'm only in text mode even though I'm in runlevel 5. Mel On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > That did the trick. Thank. > > On 7/30/07, Dan Young wrote: > > > > On 7/30/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > > Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/sbin/ > > > > Looks like you need perl-Crypt-SmbHash. Not yet built for EPEL[1]: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/P.group.html > > > > If you're OK with stuff installed outside RPMs, you could install with > > CPAN: > > cpan Crypt::SmbHash > > > > [1] Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (i.e. Fedora Extras for RHEL and > > CentOS) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL > > > > -- > > Dan Young < dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us> > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Jul 31 19:36:15 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> <46AA44F2.4050502@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: Ok, I thought I had figured this out but apparently not. The only thing that seems to make a difference is renaming the fonts folder in wine. It then seems to go out and find the system fonts from CentOS, but not all of them. I'm wondering if copying all the TFF files into the .wine fonts folder would fix it? I'll try it when I get home, that's where I've been messing with it for now. I don't want to mess with my server too much before school. Is there a way I can remove and then reinstall wine but showing what may have went wrong? Debug it is what I mean. So I can get a better idea of what might be causing this, I don't think recompiling it made a difference, and neither did installing all the other font packages. Thanks. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Rob Owens Sent: Fri 7/27/2007 2:18 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine By the way, I installed wine from the rpmforge repository. -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > I think I had to install the 'fontforge' package from the rpmforge repo > in order to get text in my menus in wine. I don't know why fontforge > isn't considered a dependency of wine, since it seems to be required. > > -Rob > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > >> I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love it. It seems to >> be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with integration >> into AD. Actually everything is working great except I'm having some >> weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my server at school >> and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But every time it's the >> same, there is no text in wine. The menus, buttons, etc, are there, but >> no text. I've checked for font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. >> Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've always had great >> luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it for a couple of >> legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on K12LTSP >> 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. Also, I've got another >> app that won't run under wine, and was considering using a virtual xp >> setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? Or would it just be easier >> to run a windows terminal server? 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