From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jan 2 22:15:21 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:15:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files Message-ID: <495E91F9.5060401@snarlnet.com> Hey Folks, I'm upgrading (updating?) a Fedora 5 web server to Centos 5. I'm doing a fresh install from CD's on a new box, but I basically have the Fedora 5 thing working just how I want it right now as far as configuration. I'm upgrading because I want security updates, I would like to add some stuff that's not in the FC5 repos and I have a hard drive failing so now's the time to do it. Anyway, I'm confused about the config files. Can I just copy over the apache/mysql/iptables/samba/ssh files? If there are new/different versions of these things on the new server won't that cause problems? I'm thinking I need to just copy certain parts of each file. Is that the way most folks do it? Thanks, ck PS I have a kid who helps me at the school I do volunteer IT support for. I want to have him take the Server Administrator's Oath, but I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and know where to find it? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 2 23:03:29 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:03:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files In-Reply-To: <495E91F9.5060401@snarlnet.com> References: <495E91F9.5060401@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <495E9D41.8080107@cmosnetworks.com> Basically, yes, you can just copy over the config files. Fedora 6 and RHEL/CentOS 5 are so similar that unless you look *very* carefully, you wouldn't know the difference. Fedora 6 was basically Fedora 5 without all of Fedora 5's bugginess. So yeah, it should go quite smoothly for your scenario. Now, if you were going between types of distros, e. g. from Debian to CentOS, then a little more care would be needed, but sure, you could still do it. You'd just have to know where each distro "style" puts the config files by default. But I've done it on several occasions. That's kinda the point of GNU/Linux--you are never locked into one distro type. If something goes awry, /var/log/messages should steer you in the right direction. As for the "Server Administrator's Oath," I don't know about anything in writing. But all the "oath" I ever heard of, or had others "take", was the understanding that if you screw it up, you clean it up, and you do your damndest not to screw up...or you're fired. That usually gets people's attention very nicely, and it has the merit of being the truth. If you're concerned about the kid's "training", then have him read and learn Eric S. Raymond's "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way." I made that required reading for both of my troops before they got "enable" privileges on our Cisco routers. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Carl Keil wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I'm upgrading (updating?) a Fedora 5 web server to Centos 5. I'm > doing a fresh install from CD's on a new box, but I basically have the > Fedora 5 thing working just how I want it right now as far as > configuration. I'm upgrading because I want security updates, I would > like to add some stuff that's not in the FC5 repos and I have a hard > drive failing so now's the time to do it. > > Anyway, I'm confused about the config files. Can I just copy over the > apache/mysql/iptables/samba/ssh files? If there are new/different > versions of these things on the new server won't that cause problems? > I'm thinking I need to just copy certain parts of each file. Is that > the way most folks do it? > Thanks, > > ck > > PS I have a kid who helps me at the school I do volunteer IT support > for. I want to have him take the Server Administrator's Oath, but I > can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and > know where to find it? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 23:38:31 2009 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:38:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files In-Reply-To: <495E91F9.5060401@snarlnet.com> References: <495E91F9.5060401@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > Hey Folks, > Anyway, I'm confused about the config files. Can I just copy over the > apache/mysql/iptables/samba/ssh files? If there are new/different versions > of these things on the new server won't that cause problems? I'm thinking I > need to just copy certain parts of each file. Is that the way most folks do > it? Hi I would not just copy the files over the centos versions. I would copy the fedora version to the correct location with a .fedora extension. and I would backup the originals with .centos extension. Then I would do a diff as follows: diff -u configfile.centos configfile.fedora This will output a unified diff format that is pretty easy to read. If the Fedora and centos distros are indeed very similar you will see just your changes that you made. Review the diff files line by line, understand the changes before replicating them into your new system. I believe you mentioned that this is a web server. Therefore it is very important that you understand the change you make to config files. In addition, if you have not already done so, implement mod_security. It will do a lot to protect your web server. Also, I realize not everyone has the hardware/money to be able to do this but running a database server on a web server is a bad idea for both performance and security reasons. Ideally your database server will be on a box separated from the web server by a firewall that permits only the web server to access the database port. If the hardware is modern, XEN may be able to provide virtualization to allow you to do his cheaper. As for an oath, this is more of a warning: We trust that you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type. #3) With great power comes great responsibility. Good luck. Tim From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Jan 3 21:49:26 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:49:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files (Timothy Legge & Tererell Prud?) Message-ID: <495FDD66.7090904@snarlnet.com> Thanks for the replies, guys. I really like that diff approach, automated, but not too automated. This is just my basement server. I can't really afford a separate database server, but I'll think about if there's a way to make that happen. I do nightly backups to a backupPC box, I run a hardware firewall that only forwards the necessary ports to the server and iptables, of course, I kinda think of that as my security. I don't know what more I can do at the level I'm at. But I really appreciate the suggestions. It's always good to be reminded to think about security. ck From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Sun Jan 4 01:20:47 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:20:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files (Timothy Legge & Tererell Prud?) In-Reply-To: <495FDD66.7090904@snarlnet.com> References: <495FDD66.7090904@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <49600EEF.9090304@rwcinc.net> One thing I started doing was putting my changed config files in a completely separate directory and symlinking to them. That way, when I change a configuration from the default it's all in the same place. So for instance when making changes to /etc/aliases I will copy /etc/aliases to /usr/local/confs/etc/aliases.xpaf and then symlink it. This way all of my changes are in /usr/local/confs/etc (there is also /usr/local/confs/var for the files that are normally in /var) and I can copy only the changes that I've made for backups. Carl Keil wrote: > Thanks for the replies, guys. I really like that diff approach, > automated, but not too automated. > This is just my basement server. I can't really afford a separate > database server, but I'll think about if there's a way to make that > happen. I do nightly backups to a backupPC box, I run a hardware > firewall that only forwards the necessary ports to the server and > iptables, of course, I kinda think of that as my security. I don't know > what more I can do at the level I'm at. But I really appreciate the > suggestions. It's always good to be reminded to think about security. > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SteveSings at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 18:06:23 2009 From: SteveSings at gmail.com (Stephen Crampton) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:06:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender as a Local App Message-ID: I have powerful thin-client machines, so I would like to run Blender 2.48a as a local app. (I want to use LTSP because I don't want disk drives in the clients; I want them all to network boot.) I've done a lot of research and tried a number of different approaches. I would really appreciate any advice anyone could give me. Here is a summary of my attempts: 1) I tried installing the new beta K12Linux onto an extra server machine. When I tried to boot thin clients, the X server on the clients crashed after entering a username and password at the login screen. Although K12Linux promises to make it easy to customize your thin-client environment, I'm not sure it's compatible with my equipment. 2) I tried copying a 32-bit version of Blender 2.48a to /opt/ltsp/i386/. Then, I chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386. Then I tried running blender. It complained that it wanted libPython, so I created a folder (chroot)/blender/lib and did "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/blender/lib." Then (from outside the chroot) I put i386 python libraries in /opt/ltsp/i386/blender/lib. Running blender again (in the chroot), it wanted SDL. I hunted down the libSDL files and put them in /blender/lib. Then, blender wanted GLIBC_2_3_4. I tried copying different versions of glibc-2.x from the /lib and /usr/lib folders in the rpm archives for glibc to /blender/lib. With more recent versions, I got an error regarding TLS. With older versions, I got a cryptic error regarding ld_linux. I gave up this approach because my intuition is that there are some fundamental incompatibilities between the libraries in the chroot environment and the blender binary. Please let me know if you think I'm wrong about this and have any suggestions. 3) I tried building the LBE per the instructions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Build-LTSP-42 At first, I was stymied by the lack of an appropriate gcc, but then I installed the "Legacy Development" group under the Fedora Package Manager. It appears to have installed gcc-2.3 as an alternate compiler -- yea! I did "export CC=gcc32" and things were looking real good for a while. The ./build-all --fetch worked (although I had to grab the sh_utils manually). Then, I did "./build_all" and it crashed after "Building: glibc". The message was "Unable to configure glibc: Inappropriate ioctl for device." The last few lines of crosscomp-src/glibc/Status/errors said "configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long double), 77". Any advice? I'm also trying to hunt down a SUSE 9.2 DVD iso, because someone somewhere said it was a stable environment in which to build the LBE. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find the iso anywhere and my torrent for it is stalled at 0.0%. My intuition is that continuing to build the LBE is the best approach. Perhaps I need to set some environmental variables or options to make sure the build process is only using the legace build environment. I would really appreciate anyone's help or wisdom or both. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Jan 4 21:00:09 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:00:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files Message-ID: <49612359.5030900@snarlnet.com> Man, I wish I was as smart as the average Linux admin. That's a really elegant idea. Here I am scratching my head and worrying that I forgot something. I wish there was a way to do some sort of "cat=> " symlink. Where you could literally have a directory with only the changed bits. ck > One thing I started doing was putting my changed config files in a > completely separate directory and symlinking to them. That way, when I > change a configuration from the default it's all in the same place. So > for instance when making changes to /etc/aliases I will copy > /etc/aliases to /usr/local/confs/etc/aliases.xpaf and then symlink it. > This way all of my changes are in /usr/local/confs/etc (there is also > /usr/local/confs/var for the files that are normally in /var) and I can > copy only the changes that I've made for backups. > > Carl Keil wrote: > >> > Thanks for the replies, guys. I really like that diff approach, >> > automated, but not too automated. >> > This is just my basement server. I can't really afford a separate >> > database server, but I'll think about if there's a way to make that >> > happen. I do nightly backups to a backupPC box, I run a hardware >> > firewall that only forwards the necessary ports to the server and >> > iptables, of course, I kinda think of that as my security. I don't know >> > what more I can do at the level I'm at. But I really appreciate the >> > suggestions. It's always good to be reminded to think about security. >> > >> > ck >> > From nils at breun.nl Sun Jan 4 21:42:00 2009 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:42:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files In-Reply-To: <49612359.5030900@snarlnet.com> References: <49612359.5030900@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: Carl Keil wrote: > I wish I was as smart as the average Linux admin. That's a really > elegant idea. Here I am scratching my head and worrying that I > forgot something. I wish there was a way to do some sort of "cat=> > " symlink. Where you could literally have a directory with only the > changed bits. You could save the original config files and use diff to create files that show you what you changed (and store those diffs as well if you like). Other people like to version their complete /etc directory using something like Subversion. Nils Breunese. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jan 5 01:41:11 2009 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Upgrading Server - Copying Config Files In-Reply-To: References: <49612359.5030900@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1231119671.7438.2.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> If you want to go one step further, keep all config files in a tool like subversion or CVS. Now changes are store and be rolled back if wrong. Publish to their correct locations as required. Also look at a tool called puppet. It is useful for maintaining configs across many machines. Lastly, keep your eye on a project called Spacewalk. It is the opensource/GPL version of RedHat Satellite Server. On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:42 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > Carl Keil wrote: > > > I wish I was as smart as the average Linux admin. That's a really > > elegant idea. Here I am scratching my head and worrying that I > > forgot something. I wish there was a way to do some sort of "cat=> > > " symlink. Where you could literally have a directory with only the > > changed bits. > > You could save the original config files and use diff to create files > that show you what you changed (and store those diffs as well if you > like). Other people like to version their complete /etc directory > using something like Subversion. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 04:26:40 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:26:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior Message-ID: This is actually with StarOffice8 but ... perhaps someone has a clue ... at this point I don't. I have a couple of users who cannot launch the application via the panel or from the command line IF they specify the type of document. e.g. if they launch a terminal session and type "staroffice8" , it launches and they can then select a new document. However, if, for example, they type "staroffice8 -writer", they get the following: (repeated numerous times) (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_display: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_peek_event: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_display: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed I have tried deleting all .gnome* .gconf* files, I have reset the desktop, I have deleted all files/directories from /tmp ... but nothing works. Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? Googling for Gdk-CRITICAL ... doesn't/hasn't been useful. I know I could upgrade to OpenOffice 3 (or the StarOffice equivalent) but I can't do so in the middle of the school year. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jan 5 05:32:52 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:32:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49619B84.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> Interesting...on which distro of GNU/Linux is this happening? GDK sits in between X11 and the GTK API. How do other GTK-based apps behave, for example, Evolution? Another test: with a given userID, try logging into a KDE desktop instead of GNOME and try starting up staroffice -writer. If that doesn't work, then try running "soffice -writer" to run the built-in OpenOffice.org. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? 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David Hopkins wrote: > This is actually with StarOffice8 but ... perhaps someone has a clue > ... at this point I don't. > > I have a couple of users who cannot launch the application via the > panel or from the command line IF they specify the type of document. > e.g. if they launch a terminal session and type "staroffice8" , it > launches and they can then select a new document. > > However, if, for example, they type "staroffice8 -writer", they get > the following: (repeated numerous times) > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_display: > assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_peek_event: assertion > `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_display: > assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > I have tried deleting all .gnome* .gconf* files, I have reset the > desktop, I have deleted all files/directories from /tmp ... but > nothing works. > > Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - > their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session > environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 > -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong > with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just > opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? > Googling for Gdk-CRITICAL ... doesn't/hasn't been useful. > > I know I could upgrade to OpenOffice 3 (or the StarOffice equivalent) > but I can't do so in the middle of the school year. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 12:01:01 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:01:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: <49619B84.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> References: <49619B84.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > Terrel Prude wrote: > Interesting...on which distro of GNU/Linux is this happening? This is using the CentOS based version of K12LTSP, the last version that is recommended if you want a RHEL based distro. It used LTSP 4.2. This server is using pulseaudio instead of esd for sound if that makes any difference at all (it shouldn't?) > GDK sits in between X11 and the GTK API. How do other GTK-based apps > behave, for example, Evolution? This is the only app that seems to have problems, and only for a few users (4 that I know of) out of 600+ users. > Another test: with a given userID, try logging into a KDE desktop instead > of GNOME and try starting up staroffice -writer. If that doesn't work, then > try running "soffice -writer" to run the built-in OpenOffice.org. staroffice will not launch in a KDE session. I thought it might but it doesn't. I have tested with numerous 'guest' accounts (general purpose generic accounts that teachers sometimes use if they don't want the students to log into their accounts). soffice -writer launches staroffice as well. OO.o isn't installed on the system (I uninstalled it prior to installing SO8) > > David Hopkins wrote: > > This is actually with StarOffice8 but ... perhaps someone has a clue > ... at this point I don't. > > I have a couple of users who cannot launch the application via the > panel or from the command line IF they specify the type of document. > e.g. if they launch a terminal session and type "staroffice8" , it > launches and they can then select a new document. > > However, if, for example, they type "staroffice8 -writer", they get > the following: (repeated numerous times) > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_display: > assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_peek_event: assertion > `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > (soffice:6231): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_xid_table_lookup_for_ > display: > assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed > > I have tried deleting all .gnome* .gconf* files, I have reset the > desktop, I have deleted all files/directories from /tmp ... but > nothing works. > > Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - > their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session > environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 > -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong > with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just > opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? > Googling for Gdk-CRITICAL ... doesn't/hasn't been useful. > > I know I could upgrade to OpenOffice 3 (or the StarOffice equivalent) > but I can't do so in the middle of the school year. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lesmikesell at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:36:20 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:36:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> David Hopkins wrote: > > Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - > their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session > environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 > -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong > with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just > opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? The only difference should be in the way environment variables are set. Try running 'env >filename' from a terminal session before and after the su and diff the files. I'm not sure about all the differences but I think a graphical login will source .profile where a bash shell login (which su - will emulate) will source .bash_profile instead if it exists - and there may be some other differences. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 14:22:09 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:22:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> References: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > David Hopkins wrote: >> >> Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - >> their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session >> environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 >> -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong >> with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just >> opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? > > The only difference should be in the way environment variables are set. Try > running 'env >filename' from a terminal session before and after the su and > diff the files. I'm not sure about all the differences but I think a > graphical login will source .profile where a bash shell login (which su - > will emulate) will source .bash_profile instead if it exists - and there may > be some other differences. > Supposedly (based on gnome docs) ~/.bash_profile is executed at login for a gdm session. All users have a .bash_profile file, but none have a .profile file. At this point ... I'm not sure I believe documentation though since a 2 week lull also shouldn't cause a program to just stop working. I had ran a difference last night between the before and after cases but didn't see anything that jumped out at me. I'll run it again and go through it with a fine tooth comb. I have also just received permission to just install OO.o 3.0 at this point and will do that tonight after uninstalling SO8 from all servers. Tomorrow will be interesting. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de Mon Jan 5 15:33:45 2009 From: Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de (Reinald Gfuellner) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:33:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard-Layout: were is xorg.conf in FC9 - chroot ? Message-ID: <49622859.4000209@tum.de> On k12linux it is fine to set XkbLayout in lts.conf, but in an FC9 - chroot on native CentOS this does not have effect: There is no /tmp/ltsp-xorg.conf to which x-server-related values could be parsed from lts.conf. How has x-server been configured at all ? Thanks for any hint. 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How is su - different from just >>> opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? >> The only difference should be in the way environment variables are set. Try >> running 'env >filename' from a terminal session before and after the su and >> diff the files. I'm not sure about all the differences but I think a >> graphical login will source .profile where a bash shell login (which su - >> will emulate) will source .bash_profile instead if it exists - and there may >> be some other differences. >> > > Supposedly (based on gnome docs) ~/.bash_profile is executed at login > for a gdm session. All users have a .bash_profile file, but none > have a .profile file. At this point ... I'm not sure I believe > documentation though since a 2 week lull also shouldn't cause a > program to just stop working. > FYI, I've also heard references to a .gnomerc file that is supposedly read upon login. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Jan 5 23:06:23 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:06:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Fedora 10 Release Candidate Message-ID: <4962926F.2000204@redhat.com> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f10/rc1/ Unless we find any nasty surprises this will become the official release of the K12Linux Fedora 10 Live Server media on Wednesday, January 7th. I will just rename the files and it will become final. Please give it a test and report back. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jan 6 02:08:46 2009 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:08:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> References: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 07:36 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > David Hopkins wrote: > > > > Now, to make it really strange, if I open a terminal and then su - > > their_username (in essence creating a login terminal session > > environment?), now, from this second login in the shell staroffice8 > > -writer WORKS!! ???? .... Why? It implies there is something wrong > > with their initial terminal session. How is su - different from just > > opening a terminal from a gnome session where they are logged in? > > The only difference should be in the way environment variables are set. > Try running 'env >filename' from a terminal session before and after > the su and diff the files. I'm not sure about all the differences but I > think a graphical login will source .profile where a bash shell login > (which su - will emulate) will source .bash_profile instead if it exists > - and there may be some other differences. > Also bear in mind that gnome add it's own layer of environment stuff. So even if you su - in a terminal window, you will not get the gnome environment with out going through the gdm login. You will get a null environment. Try backing up the affected users .gnome2 to a new name (mv the old one out of the way.). Now have the user login from scratch. This will pull in a new, generic .gnome2. Test the soffice issue. Now they log out and you run a diff. I suspect they twiddled something using gconf-tool2 and broke something. 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From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 02:49:56 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: > Also bear in mind that gnome add it's own layer of environment stuff. So > even if you su - in a terminal window, you will not get the gnome > environment with out going through the gdm login. You will get a null > environment. After doing diffs on the affected users and not finding any real differences between the terminal session and then su - username in that terminal session I decided to just go ahead and install OpenOffice3 on all the servers. Only took an hour to do so and OOo3 is working fine with the accounts I have checked. > Try backing up the affected users .gnome2 to a new name (mv the old one > out of the way.). Now have the user login from scratch. This will pull > in a new, generic .gnome2. Test the soffice issue. Now they log out and > you run a diff. I suspect they twiddled something using gconf-tool2 and > broke something. Also diff a working user .gnome2 (and maybe .gconf) > with the busted one. Sort of out of sequence in my response, but I had tried all of this, even going so far as to completely delete the existing home directories since I could restore them from backups of the affected users and recreating the home directory from scratch but even this didn't change the behavior which is really really strange. I'm not sure where staroffice would store something that could affect a user that had had all the .gnome*, .gconf*, .staroffice8, and other "dot" directories deleted. BUT ... there is one thing I still need to figure out. Previously we had the script that we could run to automatically set the default open/save options to be MS formats. Those scripts will not work with OOo3.0. Has anyone found a way to automatically set these options? I can't even find the equivalent .xcu files that Eric had modified with his scripts in the OOo3.0 install. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Jan 6 13:25:31 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:25:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: References: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49635BCB.9080708@scheie.homedns.org> David Hopkins wrote: >> Also bear in mind that gnome add it's own layer of environment stuff. So >> even if you su - in a terminal window, you will not get the gnome >> environment with out going through the gdm login. You will get a null >> environment. > > After doing diffs on the affected users and not finding any real > differences between the terminal session and then su - username in > that terminal session I decided to just go ahead and install > OpenOffice3 on all the servers. Only took an hour to do so and OOo3 > is working fine with the accounts I have checked. > >> Try backing up the affected users .gnome2 to a new name (mv the old one >> out of the way.). Now have the user login from scratch. This will pull >> in a new, generic .gnome2. Test the soffice issue. Now they log out and >> you run a diff. I suspect they twiddled something using gconf-tool2 and >> broke something. Also diff a working user .gnome2 (and maybe .gconf) >> with the busted one. > > Sort of out of sequence in my response, but I had tried all of this, > even going so far as to completely delete the existing home > directories since I could restore them from backups of the affected > users and recreating the home directory from scratch but even this > didn't change the behavior which is really really strange. I'm not > sure where staroffice would store something that could affect a user > that had had all the .gnome*, .gconf*, .staroffice8, and other "dot" > directories deleted. > Hmm, this rings a bell. I recall similar behavior on a system a year or two ago, where even wiping out the affected users' home directories didn't stop the oddness. I don't remember the app, although it may have been OOo. Anyway, it turned out to be some stale files in /tmp, files that gnome and/or X create when the user logs in. Cleaning out /tmp resolved the strange behavior. Peter From sbetts at msad52.org Tue Jan 6 20:42:04 2009 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:42:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for a good Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: <49635BCB.9080708@scheie.homedns.org> References: < > <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> < > <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> < > <49635BCB.9080708@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: We just discovered our new SIS has a very expensive POS system. Is anyone using an opensource product successfully? It can run on linux or windows. Sharon From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Jan 6 21:25:58 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:25:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Looking for a good Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <1231277158.27176.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, Here is a nice looking Mysql based Opensource SIS piece that is now including the lunch/serveline portion/module along with it. Centre/SIS I have just played around with it for a couple years off and on and is very easy to setup and get working. I think were they make their money is you have to buy the 'state reporting license module'. I'm not sure what the dollars would be on this. I'm sure you have run into the same thing that most SIS - lunchline software has more bells and whistles,,that will never be used by the secretary that has to deal with it every day. This has a very clean interface to it. For example,Our school just went to a different SIS program this year,that don't even have lunchline included. it wound up being about $45K,+ so much per student,,,per year,just for a smalltown USA school! http://www.miller-group.net/ Take Care, Barry Cisna From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 21:40:45 2009 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:40:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't enter text in Crossover App Message-ID: <8b88203f0901061340h2b1a9db2k1d9390ea1d6458fb@mail.gmail.com> Here's the first weird thing for the new year: K12LTSP EL5 Centos 5.2. I came back to my classroom after lunch and my students powered up the room full of clients. They logged on as usual and started up CadKey, a win app under Crossover. They can't enter text or numbers in some of the dialog boxes. Everything was fine for the morning classes. I did do an update in the morning but I don't remember what packages were updated. Any ideas are appreciated- I've got to get things working!! Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 22:04:47 2009 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:04:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Can't enter text in Crossover App In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0901061340h2b1a9db2k1d9390ea1d6458fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0901061340h2b1a9db2k1d9390ea1d6458fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b88203f0901061404g488fff72y1237ab66b5e06149@mail.gmail.com> Hold on- I can't enter text into the Win App Dialogs even when logged into the server... This is kind of a relief. I'll reinstall Crossover and the App, first before whining more. Thanks All, On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jim Christiansen < jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com> wrote: > Here's the first weird thing for the new year: K12LTSP EL5 Centos 5.2. I > came back to my classroom after lunch and my students powered up the room > full of clients. They logged on as usual and started up CadKey, a win app > under Crossover. > > They can't enter text or numbers in some of the dialog boxes. Everything > was fine for the morning classes. > > I did do an update in the morning but I don't remember what packages were > updated. > > Any ideas are appreciated- I've got to get things working!! > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csyperski at dupage88.net Tue Jan 6 22:50:48 2009 From: csyperski at dupage88.net (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:50:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for a good Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <49638BE80200004100007A39@flash.dupage88.net> I wrote an open source POS for the Cafe called PSCafePOS, it works with nearing every SIS. Here is more info: http://pscafe.no-ip.org Let me know if you have any questions or comments. >>> "Sharon Betts" 01/06/09 2:42 PM >>> We just discovered our new SIS has a very expensive POS system. Is anyone using an opensource product successfully? It can run on linux or windows. Sharon _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nils at breun.nl Tue Jan 6 23:06:48 2009 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:06:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't enter text in Crossover App In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0901061340h2b1a9db2k1d9390ea1d6458fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0901061340h2b1a9db2k1d9390ea1d6458fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40151E70-292F-467A-8520-6302CF1EFF6A@breun.nl> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I did do an update in the morning but I don't remember what packages > were updated. You should be able to find that in /var/log/yum.log. Nils Breunese. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 7 00:38:35 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:38:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for a good Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <1231288715.25284.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, I completely, forgot about pscafe as mentioned here,sorry. This would be a better fit for you seeings how you mentioned your school just purchased a new SIS program. Have a look at pscafe. Barry From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jan 7 01:44:57 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:44:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log in as root'" conundrum Message-ID: <49640919.7020301@snarlnet.com> So, returning after break I found a problem with my Centos 5 server. It's a K12LTSP 5 EL 32 bit install. I'm not serving thin clients with it, but hope to down the road. I set it up so far to be a Samba/LDAP/homedir server. I fired up the server and then logged into my ubuntu client authenticating via LDAP off the server just fine. I wanted to adjust a configuration on the server so I tried to log in as root at the server's terminal. I got a message saying that it couldn't log in as root because it couldn't find the folder /home/root. This is really odd, because it was working fine before break with the usual /root folder and I never [knowingly] told it to use /home/root for the root folder. Is there someway to log in and tell it to construct a new home folder for root if it can't find one? I tried logging in via "linux rescue" and I tried to mount the main file system. I was going to change /etc/passwd to have root's homedir be /root but it wouldn't let me mount /dev/sda2 . /dev/sda1 is the boot partition and I'm pretty sure /dev/sda2 is the other stuff. /dev/sda1 stopped mounting on subsequent attempts even after rebooting, really weird. I'm really flummoxed. I don't know how this happened or what to do about it. I can log in as other users just fine on the system, but I need a symlink or something for the /root folder. One other complication is that /home is on a mirrored linux raid partition, so I don't know how to mount that in linux rescue mode, not that I can mount the main partition which isn't on RAID anyway. Can someone suggest a fix? Thanks, ck From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:54:09 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:54:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Weird OpenOffice behavior In-Reply-To: <49635BCB.9080708@scheie.homedns.org> References: <49620CD4.7070104@gmail.com> <1231207726.7438.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <49635BCB.9080708@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Peter Scheie wrote: > > > David Hopkins wrote: >>> >>> Also bear in mind that gnome add it's own layer of environment stuff. So >>> even if you su - in a terminal window, you will not get the gnome >>> environment with out going through the gdm login. You will get a null >>> environment. >> >> After doing diffs on the affected users and not finding any real >> differences between the terminal session and then su - username in >> that terminal session I decided to just go ahead and install >> OpenOffice3 on all the servers. Only took an hour to do so and OOo3 >> is working fine with the accounts I have checked. >> >>> Try backing up the affected users .gnome2 to a new name (mv the old one >>> out of the way.). Now have the user login from scratch. This will pull >>> in a new, generic .gnome2. Test the soffice issue. Now they log out and >>> you run a diff. I suspect they twiddled something using gconf-tool2 and >>> broke something. Also diff a working user .gnome2 (and maybe .gconf) >>> with the busted one. >> >> Sort of out of sequence in my response, but I had tried all of this, >> even going so far as to completely delete the existing home >> directories since I could restore them from backups of the affected >> users and recreating the home directory from scratch but even this >> didn't change the behavior which is really really strange. I'm not >> sure where staroffice would store something that could affect a user >> that had had all the .gnome*, .gconf*, .staroffice8, and other "dot" >> directories deleted. >> > Hmm, this rings a bell. I recall similar behavior on a system a year or two > ago, where even wiping out the affected users' home directories didn't stop > the oddness. I don't remember the app, although it may have been OOo. > Anyway, it turned out to be some stale files in /tmp, files that gnome > and/or X create when the user logs in. Cleaning out /tmp resolved the > strange behavior. > Unfortunately, I had even tried deleting every file in /tmp, including the "dot" files and this didn't resolve it either. It was just way to weird. OOO3 is now installed and working wonderfully well. I even got the 200+ fonts that the teachers had 'collected' installed. OOO3 has just enough new features (like opening .docx files and such) that everyone is happy again. Now I can get back to my normal to-do list of maintenance/enhancements to the systems again :) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:58:42 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:58:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log in as root'" conundrum In-Reply-To: <49640919.7020301@snarlnet.com> References: <49640919.7020301@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: Can you just use "su root" to get root ownership in a terminal session after logging in with your normal account? I normally use su - root to get the full login environment, but su root should give you root privileges, right? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > So, returning after break I found a problem with my Centos 5 server. It's a > K12LTSP 5 EL 32 bit install. I'm not serving thin clients with it, but hope > to down the road. I set it up so far to be a Samba/LDAP/homedir server. I > fired up the server and then logged into my ubuntu client authenticating via > LDAP off the server just fine. I wanted to adjust a configuration on the > server so I tried to log in as root at the server's terminal. I got a > message saying that it couldn't log in as root because it couldn't find the > folder /home/root. This is really odd, because it was working fine before > break with the usual /root folder and I never [knowingly] told it to use > /home/root for the root folder. Is there someway to log in and tell it to > construct a new home folder for root if it can't find one? > > I tried logging in via "linux rescue" and I tried to mount the main file > system. I was going to change /etc/passwd to have root's homedir be /root > but it wouldn't let me mount /dev/sda2 . /dev/sda1 is the boot partition > and I'm pretty sure /dev/sda2 is the other stuff. /dev/sda1 stopped > mounting on subsequent attempts even after rebooting, really weird. I'm > really flummoxed. I don't know how this happened or what to do about it. I > can log in as other users just fine on the system, but I need a symlink or > something for the /root folder. One other complication is that /home is on > a mirrored linux raid partition, so I don't know how to mount that in linux > rescue mode, not that I can mount the main partition which isn't on RAID > anyway. > > Can someone suggest a fix? > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jthomas at bittware.com Wed Jan 7 02:38:55 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:38:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log in as root'" conundrum In-Reply-To: References: <49640919.7020301@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <496415BF.4090708@bittware.com> David Hopkins wrote: > Can you just use "su root" to get root ownership in a terminal session > after logging in with your normal account? I normally use su - root > to get the full login environment, but su root should give you root > privileges, right? Yes, as will a plain "su". The dash argument to su means "execute my start-up scripts and set up my environment." Without the dash, you don't get that, meaning you also won't have root's path variable set. That means you'll hafta specify the path to things like /sbin/ifconfig (and other commands). The other argument to su is the username. Without a username specified, su assumes you mean root. -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Build a man a fire and he is warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jan 7 05:17:51 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:17:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log in as root'" conundrum Message-ID: <49643AFF.9080906@snarlnet.com> > > David Hopkins wrote: > > > Can you just use "su root" to get root ownership in a terminal session > after logging in with your normal account? I normally use su - root > to get the full login environment, but su root should give you root > privileges, right? > > > Yes, as will a plain "su". The dash argument to su means "execute my > start-up scripts and set up my environment." Without the dash, you > don't get that, meaning you also won't have root's path variable set. > That means you'll hafta specify the path to things like /sbin/ifconfig > (and other commands). The other argument to su is the username. > Without a username specified, su assumes you mean root. Thank you so much. "su - root" didn't work, so I gave up on the whole su thing. I was hoping there was a simple fix. Can I ask? What do you think the best actual fix for the original problem is? 1) mv /root /home/ 2) ln -s /root /home/root 3) cp -a /root /home/ 4) vi /etc/passwd 5) other... please explain Thanks again, ck From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 13:26:43 2009 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:26:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log in as root'" conundrum In-Reply-To: <49643AFF.9080906@snarlnet.com> References: <49643AFF.9080906@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4964AD93.2000603@gmail.com> Carl Keil wrote: >> >> David Hopkins wrote: >> >> Can you just use "su root" to get root ownership in a terminal >> session >> after logging in with your normal account? I normally use su - root >> to get the full login environment, but su root should give you root >> privileges, right? >> > >> Yes, as will a plain "su". The dash argument to su means "execute my >> start-up scripts and set up my environment." Without the dash, you >> don't get that, meaning you also won't have root's path variable set. >> That means you'll hafta specify the path to things like /sbin/ifconfig >> (and other commands). The other argument to su is the username. >> Without a username specified, su assumes you mean root. > > Thank you so much. "su - root" didn't work, so I gave up on the whole > su thing. I was hoping there was a simple fix. > Can I ask? What do you think the best actual fix for the original > problem is? > > 1) mv /root /home/ > 2) ln -s /root /home/root > 3) cp -a /root /home/ > 4) vi /etc/passwd > 5) other... please explain > > Thanks again, > > ck I came into the middle of this thread so I missed which distro you are using, but the first thing to investigate is *why* root's home dir changed. Did you by any chance add root to the LDAP tree? That shouldn't have been needed, but you could change that attribute (home directory) with LDAP tools. If root is in /etc/passwd then you could change the home directory using vipw *if* you can gain root privs. If you can use "sudo" then you can gain those privs with: sudo bash, then manually adjust you environment (export PATH= ...), make the change and done. You should still be able to use "su" (without "-") make your changes and done. Good luck. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de Wed Jan 7 14:47:32 2009 From: Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de (Reinald Gfuellner) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:47:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard-Layout: were is xorg.conf in FC9 - chroot ? In-Reply-To: <49622859.4000209@tum.de> References: <49622859.4000209@tum.de> Message-ID: <4964C084.6050906@tum.de> working but not really nice...: /usr/share/ltsp/screen-x-common: + [ -z "$CONFIGURE_X"] || /usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh /usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh - OUT_FILE="/etc/X11/xorg.conf" + OUT_FILE="/var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf" - test -z "$XKBLAYOUT" && XKBLAYOUT="en" + test -z "$XKBLAYOUT" && XKBLAYOUT="de" Reinald Reinald Gfuellner schrieb: > On k12linux it is fine to set XkbLayout in lts.conf, > but in an FC9 - chroot on native CentOS this does not have effect: > > There is no /tmp/ltsp-xorg.conf to which > x-server-related values could be parsed from lts.conf. > > How has x-server been configured at all ? > Thanks for any hint. > > Reinald > > CentOS 5.2 > ltsp-server-5.1.13-2.el5.rpm > http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/fedora9-ltsp-chroot-20080912.tar.bz2 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ________________________________________________________________________ Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Reinald Gfuellner http://www.rcs.ei.tum.de Institute for Real-Time Computer Systems (RCS) fon +49-89-289-23564 Technische Universitaet Muenchen, D-80290 Muenchen fax +49-89-289-23555 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Jim Christiansen < jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com> wrote: > Hold on- I can't enter text into the Win App Dialogs even when logged into > the server... > > This is kind of a relief. I'll reinstall Crossover and the App, first > before whining more. > > Thanks All, > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jim Christiansen < > jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here's the first weird thing for the new year: K12LTSP EL5 Centos 5.2. I >> came back to my classroom after lunch and my students powered up the room >> full of clients. They logged on as usual and started up CadKey, a win app >> under Crossover. >> >> They can't enter text or numbers in some of the dialog boxes. 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The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an error as follows: # rpm -Uvh *.rpm error: Failed dependencies: java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by (installed) gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open office and I have no idea what to do! What should I do? Thank you From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Wed Jan 7 18:22:40 2009 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:22:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16984348.22101231352560327.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> 1) You could try moving the troublesome package(s) to another folder before running "rpm -Uvh *.rpm" in this folder. The troublesome packages are one or more of java-gcj-compat, java-(version-number)-gcj-compat, and/or any package that upgrades or requires the removal of one or more of them. 2) If you can take a snapshot or an image, try the rpm operation with the --nodeps switch. If thing go plooey, you revert to the snapshot. 3) Again, if you can take a snapshot or an image, you could try the tgz installer for OpenOffice. And as in the previous case, if things go kerplang, you revert to the snapshot. The trick with snapshots is knowing that things have gone futzel ~before~ a lot of other good changes have been made to the part of the system that was imaged/snapshotted. David L. Willson Network Engineer MCT, MCSE, Linux+ tel://720.333.LANS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Bishay" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:15:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! Hello, I hope everyone is doing well! I'm *almost* done completely revamping the technology in our organization and a final hurdle happens to be Open Office. I hung out in both #openoffice, #ltsp, and #centos but no solution was found (or I was met with stony silence in one of the channels). In any case, I'm running K12LTSP based on Centos 5.2. The stock OpenOffice installation is 2.3 and yum update shows nothing after that available. The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an error as follows: # rpm -Uvh *.rpm error: Failed dependencies: java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by (installed) gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open office and I have no idea what to do! What should I do? Thank you _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nils at breun.nl Wed Jan 7 18:33:39 2009 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:33:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08BBA6AD-98E4-4657-8EAE-61EAC27A5F6F@breun.nl> Joseph Bishay wrote: > The stock OpenOffice installation is 2.3 and yum update shows > nothing after that available. The problem is that Office 2007 docx > files are only recognized by OO ver 2.4 or higher. You can open those documents if you install odf-convertor-integrator: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator You can install an RPM. This convertor converts Office 2007 documents to ODF and then opens them using OpenOffice.org. If you really need to be able to open those files from within OpenOffice.org directly, then yes, you need a newer version than what is available in CentOS 5.2. Nils Breunese. From sbetts at msad52.org Wed Jan 7 18:41:47 2009 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:41:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for a good Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: <49638BE80200004100007A39@flash.dupage88.net> References: <49638BE80200004100007A39@flash.dupage88.net> Message-ID: Thanks Chuck - we will look this over and see if it meets our needs. Our new system is Infinite Campus FYI Sharon "Support list for open source software in schools." on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 at 5:50 PM -0500 wrote: >I wrote an open source POS for the Cafe called PSCafePOS, it works with >nearing every SIS. > >Here is more info: > >http://pscafe.no-ip.org > >Let me know if you have any questions or comments. > >>>> "Sharon Betts" 01/06/09 2:42 PM >>> >We just discovered our new SIS has a very expensive POS system. Is anyone >using an opensource product successfully? > >It can run on linux or windows. >Sharon > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Wed Jan 7 19:15:25 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:15:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap with exchange mail server Message-ID: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> I have an existing Windows 2003 server that's running Active Directory and Exchange. As part of my "baby steps" process, I'd like to replace the AD system with Samba/LDAP but keep the Exchange server for email (for now). Does anybody have experience doing such a thing, and can anybody offer me any advice? I fear that Exchange may complain when AD is turned off... -Rob From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 19:18:22 2009 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:18:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A Little Advocacy News... Message-ID: <92de6c880901071118r33f2411by90707e0ec138c63a@mail.gmail.com> CanDo and SchoolTool have been selected to participate next Tuesday in the Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee's (ICAC) 12th Annual Kickoff Technology Policy Exhibition on January 13 at the Hart Senate Office Building in Washington, DC: "This event serves as a great opportunity for policymakers, industry executives and public interest advocates to come together and to network with their peers. The goal of this annual tech exhibition is to bring cutting-edge technology demonstrations to Capitol Hill that illustrate the power and flexibility of the Internet as medium for communications, commerce, and democracy." http://www.netcaucus.org/events/2009/kickoff/ --Tom http://schooltool.org From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Jan 7 20:14:51 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:14:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12Linux Fedora 10 Release Candidate In-Reply-To: <4962926F.2000204@redhat.com> References: <4962926F.2000204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49650D3B.4020208@redhat.com> Warren Togami wrote: > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f10/rc1/ > > Unless we find any nasty surprises this will become the official release > of the K12Linux Fedora 10 Live Server media on Wednesday, January 7th. I > will just rename the files and it will become final. Please give it a > test and report back. > OK, same plan, except release happens Thursday or Friday after I fly back home. The release candidate will be simply renamed to final at that time if no critical problems are found. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 7 23:29:50 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:29:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN LTSP and LDAP auth probs In-Reply-To: <20081219170040.B02538E073E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081219170040.B02538E073E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49653AEE.3090607@lane.k12.or.us> Dan: Thanks for the input. My LTSP box has several /var/log/secure(.1 .2 etc) but not on the ldap server. :( Any other thoughts on where to look? Thanks again, ~bob > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:09:43 -0800 > From: "Dan Young" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and LDAP auth probs > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <994441ae0812180909g51bb9fk11c8d4750f67a695 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/12/18 Bob Mead : > >> The TC gets to a login screen and then will not let me authenticate >> (Authentication Failed). Is there anyplace on the LDAP server that I can >> monitor authentication requests to see where its failing? I tried >> tailing /var/log/messages with no luck. Any help would be greatly >> appreciated!! >> > > /var/log/secure? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > > > Brian: > Thanks for your input: I tried getent passwd and got a long list of > users - so its probably *not* a binding problem. Any other thoughts > and/or could you direct me to which wiki you referred to (below). Thanks again, ~bob > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:09:34 +0000 > From: Brian Chivers > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and LDAP auth probs > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <494A91DE.3040906 at portsmouth-college.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Bob Mead wrote: > >> Hello all: >> >> Ok, now that I've got my TC booting (thanks again to Barry and >> Almquist), I've gotten /home dirs nfs mounted from a remote server and I >> used authconfig to setup LDAP authentication from our LDAP server using >> the following command: >> >> authconfig --enableldap --enablemd5 --update >> >> I have edited /etc/ldap.conf to enter the distinguished name of the >> search base as follows: >> base dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us >> >> And the 'Your LDAP server' section has this entry: >> host ldap.slane.k12.or.us >> >> I also added the following lines copied from our current ltsp server's >> /etc/ldap.conf file: >> ssl no >> tls_cacertdir /etc/openldap/cacerts >> pam_password md5 >> uri ldap://oak/ (this line was generated by authconfig using the >> '--ldapserver=oak' option on a previous run through) >> >> These are the only uncommented lines in ldap.conf. >> >> The TC gets to a login screen and then will not let me authenticate >> (Authentication Failed). Is there anyplace on the LDAP server that I can >> monitor authentication requests to see where its failing? I tried >> tailing /var/log/messages with no luck. Any help would be greatly >> appreciated!! >> >> Thanks, >> ~bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > I find it useful to try getent passwd to list all the users and then see > how you get on. If you only get a few users it's a binding problem. I > can give you more info tomorrow when I'm back in work & have acess to my > wiki notes. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at theingots.org.nz Thu Jan 8 10:01:24 2009 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:01:24 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! Message-ID: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:15:58 Joseph Bishay wrote: Apologies if this appears twice, sent from the wrong email > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well! > > I'm *almost* done completely revamping the technology in our > organization and a final hurdle happens to be Open Office. I hung out > in both #openoffice, #ltsp, and #centos but no solution was found (or > I was met with stony silence in one of the channels). In any case, > I'm running K12LTSP based on Centos 5.2. The stock OpenOffice > installation is 2.3 and yum update shows nothing after that available. > The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO > ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found > online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch > into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an > error as follows: > > # rpm -Uvh *.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > (installed) > xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > (installed) > tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by (installed) > gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 > > After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing > open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above > command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open > office and I have no idea what to do! > > What should I do? > > Thank you Hi Joseph, Which version did you download? With or without JRE included 3.0 uses a different install process to the 2.0 version. Things are packaged differently.. If you went through the main page you would have got a file something like : OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz unpack it #tar -zxvf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz navigate into the folder it creates and you'll see four folders, a jar file and two shell scripts. One called "setup" as root do ./setup and follow the instructions. Alternatively, if your JRE is up to date you can click on the "Get more platforms and languages" link at the bottom of the download panel on the front page and you can get OOo_3.0.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz . (I presume you're using 64 bit) This doesn't have the JRE installer included. The 32 bit will work as well. The third alternative is Novell's version which is available from http://go-ooo.org. If ooxml filters is your issue then I would suggest this as the best option. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) http://www.theingots.org OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 8 00:14:11 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:14:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN LTSP and LDAP auth probs In-Reply-To: <49653AEE.3090607@lane.k12.or.us> References: <20081219170040.B02538E073E@hormel.redhat.com> <49653AEE.3090607@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0901071614h6613795bh54d735efe68a575e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/7 Bob Mead : > Thanks for the input. My LTSP box has several /var/log/secure(.1 .2 etc) but > not on the ldap server. :( Any other thoughts on where to look? Can you bind w/ a command-line ldap client (e.g. ldapsearch)? ldapsearch -x -h your.ldap.server -LLL \ -D uid=youruser,dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us -W Make sure the -D option specifies the whole distinguished name of a user. Should prompt you for the user's LDAP password. Try a bad password; you should get "ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)" or similar. Try the right password. It should print the contents of the directory, with the exception of anything disallowed by ACLs. "loglevel 256" in /etc/openldap/slapd.conf (will have to restart the ldap server) should log connections/operations/results as per "man 5 slapd.conf". -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From graham at theingots.org.nz Thu Jan 8 10:16:08 2009 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:16:08 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> On Thursday 08 January 2009 13:01:24 Graham Lauder wrote: > On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:15:58 Joseph Bishay wrote: > Apologies if this appears twice, sent from the wrong email > > > Hello, > > > > I hope everyone is doing well! > > > > I'm *almost* done completely revamping the technology in our > > organization and a final hurdle happens to be Open Office. I hung out > > in both #openoffice, #ltsp, and #centos but no solution was found (or > > I was met with stony silence in one of the channels). In any case, > > I'm running K12LTSP based on Centos 5.2. The stock OpenOffice > > installation is 2.3 and yum update shows nothing after that available. > > The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO > > ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found > > online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch > > into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an > > error as follows: > > > > # rpm -Uvh *.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > > tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > > xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > > (installed) > > xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > > xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > > xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > > hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > > (installed) > > tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by (installed) > > gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 > > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > > antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is > > needed by (installed) > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 > > > > After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing > > open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above > > command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open > > office and I have no idea what to do! > > > > What should I do? > > > > Thank you > > Hi Joseph, > > Which version did you download? With or without JRE included > > 3.0 uses a different install process to the 2.0 version. Things are > packaged differently.. If you went through the main page you would have > got a file something like : OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz > > unpack it #tar -zxvf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz > > navigate into the folder it creates and you'll see four folders, a jar file > and two shell scripts. One called "setup" > > as root do ./setup and follow the instructions. > > Alternatively, if your JRE is up to date you can click on the "Get more > platforms and languages" link at the bottom of the download panel on the > front page and you can get OOo_3.0.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz . (I > presume you're using 64 bit) This doesn't have the JRE installer included. > The 32 bit will work as well. > > The third alternative is Novell's version which is available from > http://go-ooo.org. If ooxml filters is your issue then I would suggest > this as the best option. > > Cheers > GL And I forgot to add, the version without the the JRE doesn't have the Setup shell script, just do the normal navigate to the RPMs directory, move your specific desktop integration file into the main folder and do rpm -ivh *.rpm and you should be in business. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) http://www.theingots.org OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz From pxeboot at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 01:39:09 2009 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:39:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap with exchange mail server In-Reply-To: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> References: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Exchange is heavily dependent on Active Directory. As much as I love Linux, I would NOT recommend this route unless you are willing to give up Exchange as well. Of course, there are many Exchange alternatives such as Zimbra, Kerio Mail, and Scalix. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > I have an existing Windows 2003 server that's running Active Directory and > Exchange. As part of my "baby steps" process, I'd like to replace the AD > system with Samba/LDAP but keep the Exchange server for email (for now). > Does anybody have experience doing such a thing, and can anybody offer me > any advice? I fear that Exchange may complain when AD is turned off... > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.ellson at comcast.net Thu Jan 8 02:42:21 2009 From: john.ellson at comcast.net (John Ellson) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:42:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ Message-ID: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> We have various stripped down i686 and x86_64 PCs in our elementary school with the server running on a x86_64 box. Mostly, it all works quite well, but we have some issues that I could use some help with. I'm hoping these are just FAQ issues and that someone can point me to an up-to-date version of the FAQ? - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful level? In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: SOUND=True VOLUME=100 HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 PCM_VOLUME=100 FRONT_VOLUME=100 There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html should I be trying to apply this? - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is shown? Where do I look next? - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? I tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so now I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local apps? - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to be at https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a lot missing there. Thanks for any hints. -- John Ellson From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jan 8 04:00:07 2009 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:00:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The "can't log in as root to fix the 'can't log, in as root'" conundrum -Fixed Itself?! Message-ID: <49657A47.5070209@snarlnet.com> > > David Hopkins wrote:> >> > Can you just use "su root" to get root ownership in a terminal session >> > after logging in with your normal account? I normally use su - root >> > to get the full login environment, but su root should give you root >> > privileges, right? >> >> > Yes, as will a plain "su". The dash argument to su means "execute my >> > start-up scripts and set up my environment." Without the dash, you >> > don't get that, meaning you also won't have root's path variable set. >> > That means you'll hafta specify the path to things like /sbin/ifconfig >> > (and other commands). The other argument to su is the username. >> > Without a username specified, su assumes you mean root. >> > > Thank you so much. "su - root" didn't work, so I gave up on the whole > su thing. I was hoping there was a simple fix. > > Can I ask? What do you think the best actual fix for the original > problem is? > > 1) mv /root /home/ > 2) ln -s /root /home/root > 3) cp -a /root /home/ > 4) vi /etc/passwd > 5) other... please explain > So, I went in today to take another crack at fixing my missing /root folder and there was no problem. I could log in as root fine with no error messages. While I'm happy that my server is supposedly fine now, I'm even more flumoxxed about what the problem is. Does anyone have a guess about why my computer might be missing a /home/root folder on one bootup and then not on another? I'd rather have a consistent problem than an intermittant one. Two other pieces of possibly relevant info: 1) This server has a failing hard drive in the raid array. I'm getting a message from smartd that says I have unrecoverable sectors. I'm going to swap that out tomorrow. The RAID has /home on it and nothing else. 2) The server has done something similar before, but only with trying to log in and get LDAP/home from a client. And that was fixed each time with a reboot on the client. I chalked that up to trying to log in on a client before the server had finished booting up. (I'm still developing this.) Any thoughts? Thank you so much. ck From rowens at ptd.net Thu Jan 8 12:07:54 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:07:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap with exchange mail server In-Reply-To: References: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090108120753.GB7174@junker.owens.net> I am willing to give up Exchange. I was just hoping to take it one step at a time. Toying with user authentication is risky enough (and a big enough job) without throwing email into the mix as well. Anyway, thanks for the response. -Rob On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:39:09PM -0500, Conrad Lawes wrote: > Exchange is heavily dependent on Active Directory. As much as I love > Linux, I would NOT recommend this route unless you are willing to give up > Exchange as well. > > Of course, there are many Exchange alternatives such as Zimbra, Kerio Mail, > and Scalix. > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I have an existing Windows 2003 server that's running Active Directory and > > Exchange. As part of my "baby steps" process, I'd like to replace the AD > > system with Samba/LDAP but keep the Exchange server for email (for now). > > Does anybody have experience doing such a thing, and can anybody offer me > > any advice? I fear that Exchange may complain when AD is turned off... > > > > -Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pxeboot at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 13:11:49 2009 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:11:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap with exchange mail server In-Reply-To: <20090108120753.GB7174@junker.owens.net> References: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> <20090108120753.GB7174@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Because of Exchange's reliance on AD, you will have to replace before removing AD. I suggest setting up vmware virtual environment (sandbox) for proof-of-concept testing to map out your migration strategy. Cheers, Conrad On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I am willing to give up Exchange. I was just hoping to take it one step at > a time. Toying with user authentication is risky enough (and a big enough > job) without throwing email into the mix as well. > > Anyway, thanks for the response. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:39:09PM -0500, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > Exchange is heavily dependent on Active Directory. As much as I love > > Linux, I would NOT recommend this route unless you are willing to give > up > > Exchange as well. > > > > Of course, there are many Exchange alternatives such as Zimbra, Kerio > Mail, > > and Scalix. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > I have an existing Windows 2003 server that's running Active Directory > and > > > Exchange. As part of my "baby steps" process, I'd like to replace the > AD > > > system with Samba/LDAP but keep the Exchange server for email (for > now). > > > Does anybody have experience doing such a thing, and can anybody offer > me > > > any advice? I fear that Exchange may complain when AD is turned off... > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Conrad Lawes > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Jan 8 13:26:55 2009 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:26:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap with exchange mail server In-Reply-To: References: <20090107191525.GA2761@junker.owens.net> <20090108120753.GB7174@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <4965FF1F.1050403@biochemfluidics.com> Yup, I agree a virtual environment test is in order. Thanks again for the advice. -Rob Conrad Lawes wrote: > Because of Exchange's reliance on AD, you will have to replace before > removing AD. I suggest setting up vmware virtual environment (sandbox) > for proof-of-concept testing to map out your migration strategy. > > Cheers, > Conrad > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Rob Owens > wrote: > > I am willing to give up Exchange. I was just hoping to take it one > step at a time. Toying with user authentication is risky enough > (and a big enough job) without throwing email into the mix as well. > > Anyway, thanks for the response. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:39:09PM -0500, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > Exchange is heavily dependent on Active Directory. As much as I love > > Linux, I would NOT recommend this route unless you are willing to > give up > > Exchange as well. > > > > Of course, there are many Exchange alternatives such as Zimbra, > Kerio Mail, > > and Scalix. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rob Owens > wrote: > > > > > I have an existing Windows 2003 server that's running Active > Directory and > > > Exchange. As part of my "baby steps" process, I'd like to > replace the AD > > > system with Samba/LDAP but keep the Exchange server for email > (for now). > > > Does anybody have experience doing such a thing, and can > anybody offer me > > > any advice? I fear that Exchange may complain when AD is turned > off... > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Conrad Lawes > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Those have the really small form factor....atom....and barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From whatch at anwsu.org Thu Jan 8 19:40:57 2009 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4966104A.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> I am using NTA 6030 models from DevonIT. We purchased 20 units this past summer for our new lab and they are working pretty well. I have both a k12ltsp server and Windows Server 2008 system running. It allows you to make sessions to several types of connections. Total cost with monitor and peripherals was about 325$ >>> "David Trask" 1/8/2009 2:21:00 pm >>> Hi guys, Long time since I've been in here, but as usual things are humming along as we are in our 8th year of running Linux terminals...etc. I'm looking to buy a new lab this year with more powerful thin-clients for running some apps locally. I like the idea of some of the Atom based thin-clients. I'm hoping to keep the price under $250 per machine and I'm looking for any recommendations that folks may have or have heard about...etc. Also...has anyone tried the new MSI Wind desktop as a thin-client? Those have the really small form factor....atom....and barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. From willems.leo at googlemail.com Fri Jan 9 02:13:19 2009 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:13:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget In-Reply-To: <4966104A.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> References: <4966104A.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> Message-ID: <3fabbdc20901081813s6fb784d0t6ac55931495d59f9@mail.gmail.com> NEC US110 http://www.nec.com/global/solutions/vpcc/data/english/US110_E07TC2.pdf For the thin-client they claim good performance for graphic and video replay on the thin-client. However NECs thin-client solutions Virtual PC Center (VPCC) is based on VMware and Windows. The thin-client itself might run with K12 Linux terminal server. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > I am using NTA 6030 models from DevonIT. We purchased 20 units this past > summer for our new lab and they are working pretty well. I have both a > k12ltsp server and Windows Server 2008 system running. It allows you to > make sessions to several types of connections. Total cost with monitor and > peripherals was about 325$ > > >>> "David Trask" 1/8/2009 2:21:00 pm >>> > Hi guys, > > Long time since I've been in here, but as usual things are humming along > as we are in our 8th year of running Linux terminals...etc. I'm looking > to buy a new lab this year with more powerful thin-clients for running > some apps locally. I like the idea of some of the Atom based > thin-clients. I'm hoping to keep the price under $250 per machine and I'm > looking for any recommendations that folks may have or have heard > about...etc. Also...has anyone tried the new MSI Wind desktop as a > thin-client? Those have the really small form factor....atom....and > barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have > what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 17:51:18 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:51:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Teachertool snapshots not working Message-ID: I have the 0.62 version of teachertool and everything works except the Snapshot option. For that option I get a gray image for all the logged in users .. so it is trying to do something. I have checked to be sure I have the latest vncsnapshot and have recompiled it. I have also recompiled all the other vnc packages like vncreflector, vncviewer. I have also checked and I have every library mentioned in the 0.62 installation instructions. Any ideas? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 19:25:38 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:25:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Teachertool snapshots not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should add that the snapshots aren't working on my CentOS x86_64 installations of teachertool. The snapshots work on the i386 versions. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM, David Hopkins wrote: > I have the 0.62 version of teachertool and everything works except the > Snapshot option. For that option I get a gray image for all the logged > in users .. so it is trying to do something. I have checked to be > sure I have the latest vncsnapshot and have recompiled it. I have > also recompiled all the other vnc packages like vncreflector, > vncviewer. I have also checked and I have every library mentioned in > the 0.62 installation instructions. > > Any ideas? > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware > From bfristen at shaw.ca Fri Jan 9 23:38:42 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:38:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) Message-ID: <4967E002.1070300@shaw.ca> After recent upgrades to my server, my DLW thin client will no longer boot. It seems to load all files by TFTP, but then I get the following messages: Red Hat nash version 6.0.52 starting mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) nfsmount: error mounting 192.168.1.103:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor /setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory etc...... I interpret this to mean that the thin client is trying mount /opt/ltsp/i386 as /sysroot on the thin client. the IP of the server is correct. As suggested in a posting about another RPC-related problem: > /root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) I have tried rebooting the server, and even restarting rpcbind and nfs, with no luck. Help would be appreciated. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 10 01:03:49 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:03:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Teachertool snapshots not working Message-ID: <1231549429.4791.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, Usually if the snapshot part does not work in FL_TT, the Monitor/Control portion does not work either. Have you tried these by chance? If you like you can try installing this via the rpm's I made. I have never gotten any feedback on any X86_64 try outs,though.The rpm's do all the permissions voodoo in the install so it ends up being pretty simple. If you'd like to give it a try here is the url: ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62/ Also are you sure the clients are getting correct hostnames?,, ws001 , ws002 ? Take Care, Barry Cisna From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 01:39:55 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:39:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you for the instructions you provided. I tried my best to follow them. The first part, where you talked about downloading the tar from OO.org and then running ./setup as root was no problem. I went through the installation steps and it exited successfully. I am able to go to my main manu -> Office -> and find all the parts of open office there and get them to run successfully. However, two issues. I was confused by your steps with respect to the desktop integration. After using the ./setup command to get the program installed, my currently existing open office icons no longer work. Clicking them gives the error: "Could not launch application Failed to execute child process "openoffice.org" (No such file or directory)" The command the shortcut references is: openoffice.org -writer %U The second problem is a bit more crucial -- the whole reason I was not able to just stick with the stock CentOS 5.2 version of open office is because of its inability to deal with *.docx files. After installation of the most recent version (OO help indicates that it is indeed version 3) everytime I try to open a MS office 2007 docx file, Open Office crashes. I've tried several different types of files, and each time it does the same thing -- crashes, restarts, attempts to recover. What should I do? Thank you Joseph On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: > On Thursday 08 January 2009 13:01:24 Graham Lauder wrote: >> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:15:58 Joseph Bishay wrote: >> Apologies if this appears twice, sent from the wrong email >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > I hope everyone is doing well! >> > >> > I'm *almost* done completely revamping the technology in our >> > organization and a final hurdle happens to be Open Office. I hung out >> > in both #openoffice, #ltsp, and #centos but no solution was found (or >> > I was met with stony silence in one of the channels). In any case, >> > I'm running K12LTSP based on Centos 5.2. The stock OpenOffice >> > installation is 2.3 and yum update shows nothing after that available. >> > The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO >> > ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found >> > online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch >> > into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an >> > error as follows: >> > >> > # rpm -Uvh *.rpm >> > error: Failed dependencies: >> > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) >> > tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) >> > xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by >> > (installed) >> > xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) >> > xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) >> > xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) >> > hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by >> > (installed) >> > tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by (installed) >> > gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) >> > antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is >> > needed by (installed) >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by >> > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by >> > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 >> > >> > After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing >> > open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above >> > command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open >> > office and I have no idea what to do! >> > >> > What should I do? >> > >> > Thank you >> >> Hi Joseph, >> >> Which version did you download? With or without JRE included >> >> 3.0 uses a different install process to the 2.0 version. Things are >> packaged differently.. If you went through the main page you would have >> got a file something like : OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz >> >> unpack it #tar -zxvf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz >> >> navigate into the folder it creates and you'll see four folders, a jar file >> and two shell scripts. One called "setup" >> >> as root do ./setup and follow the instructions. >> >> Alternatively, if your JRE is up to date you can click on the "Get more >> platforms and languages" link at the bottom of the download panel on the >> front page and you can get OOo_3.0.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz . (I >> presume you're using 64 bit) This doesn't have the JRE installer included. >> The 32 bit will work as well. >> >> The third alternative is Novell's version which is available from >> http://go-ooo.org. If ooxml filters is your issue then I would suggest >> this as the best option. >> >> Cheers >> GL > > And I forgot to add, the version without the the JRE doesn't have the Setup > shell script, just do the normal navigate to the RPMs directory, move your > specific desktop integration file into the main folder and do rpm -ivh *.rpm > and you should be in business. > > Cheers > GL > > > -- > Graham Lauder, > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > http://www.theingots.org > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > Open Opportunities ltd. > Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants > > OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate > http://ooogear.co.nz > From wtogami at redhat.com Sat Jan 10 02:24:37 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:24:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux F10 Live Server Released Message-ID: <496806E5.8020901@redhat.com> http://k12linux.org K12Linux F10 Live Server is released. Check out the homepage for download links. Official announcement will go out tomorrow after this release is announced at FUDCon11 Boston. Unfortunately I had to respin the images since rc1 due to a bug in system-config-network. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From warren at togami.com Sat Jan 10 02:34:02 2009 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:34:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> John Ellson wrote: > - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good > ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful level? > In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: > SOUND=True > VOLUME=100 > HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 > PCM_VOLUME=100 > FRONT_VOLUME=100 > There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: > http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html > should I be trying to apply this? I have noticed this as well. I am digging into this sometime soon myself. > > - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the > desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is > shown? Where do I look next? I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a few months now. Could you please try booting your server with the K12Linux F10 Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? > > > - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? I > tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so now > I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. After updating the kernels in the chroot, did you use "ltsp-update-kernels" outside the chroot to copy the kernel from inside the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ARCH/? > > > - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local apps? Umm... upstream should have this documented, if not please yell at them. The only thing unique about our local apps installation is yum instead of apt. > > > - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: > http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still > accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to be at > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a lot missing > there. Could you please make a list of specific documentation items you really need rewritten for K12Linux? The old docs are so old that it would be better to write them from scratch. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From moon at smbis.com Sat Jan 10 05:29:58 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:29:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> Message-ID: <1231565398.16049.1.camel@mws.localdomain> Maybe this will help with some of the documentation resources: Linux Terminal Server Project Administrator's Reference http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 21:34 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > John Ellson wrote: > > - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good > > ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful level? > > In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: > > SOUND=True > > VOLUME=100 > > HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 > > PCM_VOLUME=100 > > FRONT_VOLUME=100 > > There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: > > http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html > > should I be trying to apply this? > > I have noticed this as well. I am digging into this sometime soon myself. > > > > > - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the > > desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is > > shown? Where do I look next? > > I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a few > months now. Could you please try booting your server with the K12Linux > F10 Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? > > > > > > > - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? I > > tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so now > > I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. > > After updating the kernels in the chroot, did you use > "ltsp-update-kernels" outside the chroot to copy the kernel from inside > the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ARCH/? > > > > > > > - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local apps? > > Umm... upstream should have this documented, if not please yell at them. > The only thing unique about our local apps installation is yum instead > of apt. > > > > > > > - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: > > http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still > > accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to be at > > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a lot missing > > there. > > Could you please make a list of specific documentation items you really > need rewritten for K12Linux? The old docs are so old that it would be > better to write them from scratch. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moon at smbis.com Sat Jan 10 05:32:06 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:32:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Background Message-ID: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> How does one change the login background image since gdmsetup is no longer available in the current release of GNOME? I definitely want to get rid of the ugly default login background... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moon at smbis.com Sat Jan 10 05:35:53 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:35:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <1231565398.16049.1.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> <1231565398.16049.1.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <1231565753.16049.9.camel@mws.localdomain> Here is another way to get to current LTSP documentation with a link to a pdf version... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 00:29 -0500, Moon wrote: > Maybe this will help with some of the documentation resources: > > Linux Terminal Server Project Administrator's Reference > > http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html > > > On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 21:34 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > > > John Ellson wrote: > > > - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good > > > ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful level? > > > In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: > > > SOUND=True > > > VOLUME=100 > > > HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 > > > PCM_VOLUME=100 > > > FRONT_VOLUME=100 > > > There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: > > > http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html > > > should I be trying to apply this? > > > > I have noticed this as well. I am digging into this sometime soon myself. > > > > > > > > - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the > > > desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is > > > shown? Where do I look next? > > > > I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a few > > months now. Could you please try booting your server with the K12Linux > > F10 Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? > > > > > > > > > > > - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? I > > > tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so now > > > I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. > > > > After updating the kernels in the chroot, did you use > > "ltsp-update-kernels" outside the chroot to copy the kernel from inside > > the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ARCH/? > > > > > > > > > > > - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local apps? > > > > Umm... upstream should have this documented, if not please yell at them. > > The only thing unique about our local apps installation is yum instead > > of apt. > > > > > > > > > > > - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: > > > http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still > > > accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to be at > > > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a lot missing > > > there. > > > > Could you please make a list of specific documentation items you really > > need rewritten for K12Linux? The old docs are so old that it would be > > better to write them from scratch. > > > > Warren Togami > > wtogami at redhat.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 05:46:30 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:16:30 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Background In-Reply-To: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <774593a20901092146s17ba472dlef2328e1e8ed9537@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/10 Moon : > How does one change the login background image since gdmsetup is no longer > available in the current release of GNOME? I definitely want to get rid of > the ugly default login background... > If you are comfortable with command line gdm.conf is the file that contains all parameters and pretty well commented. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From moon at smbis.com Sat Jan 10 06:09:38 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:09:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Background In-Reply-To: <774593a20901092146s17ba472dlef2328e1e8ed9537@mail.gmail.com> References: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> <774593a20901092146s17ba472dlef2328e1e8ed9537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1231567778.16049.15.camel@mws.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 11:16 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2009/1/10 Moon : > > How does one change the login background image since gdmsetup is no longer > > available in the current release of GNOME? I definitely want to get rid of > > the ugly default login background... > > > > If you are comfortable with command line gdm.conf is the file that > contains all parameters and pretty well commented. > Maybe I missed something here, but first I am not a programmer, second our definitions of "well commented" are about as far off as our physical locations. I might as well be reading Greek... No offense to anyone but the point here is that I do not know Greek... If someone can point me to the actual file that references the background image, I would appreciate it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at theingots.org.nz Sun Jan 11 09:41:23 2009 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham Lauder) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:41:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: <200901112241.24009.graham@theingots.org.nz> On Saturday 10 January 2009 14:39:55 Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, Hi Joseph > > Thank you for the instructions you provided. I tried my best to > follow them. The first part, where you talked about downloading the > tar from OO.org and then running ./setup as root was no problem. I > went through the installation steps and it exited successfully. I am > able to go to my main manu -> Office -> and find all the parts of open > office there and get them to run successfully. > > However, two issues. I was confused by your steps with respect to the > desktop integration. The Desktop integration step isn't essential, it's just that the "RedHat Desktop Integration" is in a separate folder in the install setup, with the old CLI installer moving it was essential. However with the new installer I don't think thats an issue >After using the ./setup command to get the > program installed, my currently existing open office icons no longer > work. Clicking them gives the error: > > "Could not launch application Failed to execute child process > "openoffice.org" (No such file or directory)" > > The command the shortcut references is: > > openoffice.org -writer %U Generally the Distribution versions have a different install location and shell scripts. It varies. For instance in the Novell version, the above link would be "oowriter". In the vanilla OOo version the above link would be soffice -writer or swriter, both work. OOo also installs by default in the /opt directory rather than say /usr/local or whatever the particular distro favours. That also varies. If you modify the links to swriter, scalc, sdraw, smath and simpress you should be good as long as /opt is in your PATH, otherwise just put the whole path in which would be /opt/openoffice.org3/program/swriter or soffice for the launch menu > > The second problem is a bit more crucial -- the whole reason I was not > able to just stick with the stock CentOS 5.2 version of open office is > because of its inability to deal with *.docx files. After > installation of the most recent version (OO help indicates that it is > indeed version 3) everytime I try to open a MS office 2007 docx file, > Open Office crashes. I've tried several different types of files, and > each time it does the same thing -- crashes, restarts, attempts to > recover. > > What should I do? OOo 3 should automatically work with docx import. However if it is causing a crash then that's an issue that should be put up on the OOo Issue Tracker. I haven't had any issues with OOo 3 opening docx files, but then I use OpenSUSE and so have the Novell version (go-ooo.org) installed by default. The only thing that comes to mind is your current JRE. Make sure you have the latest Java Runtime installed. > > Thank you > Joseph > Cheers GL > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: > > On Thursday 08 January 2009 13:01:24 Graham Lauder wrote: > >> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:15:58 Joseph Bishay wrote: > >> Apologies if this appears twice, sent from the wrong email > >> > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I hope everyone is doing well! > >> > > >> > I'm *almost* done completely revamping the technology in our > >> > organization and a final hurdle happens to be Open Office. I hung out > >> > in both #openoffice, #ltsp, and #centos but no solution was found (or > >> > I was met with stony silence in one of the channels). In any case, > >> > I'm running K12LTSP based on Centos 5.2. The stock OpenOffice > >> > installation is 2.3 and yum update shows nothing after that available. > >> > The problem is that Office 2007 docx files are only recognized by OO > >> > ver 2.4 or higher. I've tried to follow the instructions I've found > >> > online to download the appropriate tar file from OpenOffice, switch > >> > into the RPMS directory and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm. However, I get an > >> > error as follows: > >> > > >> > # rpm -Uvh *.rpm > >> > error: Failed dependencies: > >> > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > >> > tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > xalan-j2-2.7.0-6jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > >> > (installed) > >> > xml-commons-apis-1.3.02-0.b2.7jpp.10.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > xml-commons-resolver-1.1-1jpp.12.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by (installed) > >> > xerces-j2-2.7.1-7jpp.2.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > hsqldb-1.8.0.4-3jpp.4.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.31 is needed by > >> > (installed) > >> > tomcat5-jsp-2.0-api-5.5.23-0jpp.1.0.3.el5.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > bsf-2.3.0-11jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > bsh-1.3.0-9jpp.1.x86_64 java-gcj-compat >= 1.0.64 is needed by > >> > (installed) > >> > gjdoc-0.7.7-12.el5.x86_64 > >> > java-gcj-compat is needed by (installed) > >> > antlr-2.7.6-4jpp.2.x86_64 java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 > >> > is needed by (installed) > >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-javadoc-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by (installed) > >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-src-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > >> > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.x86_64 > >> > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat = 0:1.4.2.0-40jpp.112 is needed by > >> > (installed) java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-40jpp.112.i386 > >> > > >> > After that I thought it was some sort of conflict with the existing > >> > open office installation so I yum removed that one, repeated the above > >> > command, and received te same error. Now I've got NO copy of open > >> > office and I have no idea what to do! > >> > > >> > What should I do? > >> > > >> > Thank you > >> > >> Hi Joseph, > >> > >> Which version did you download? With or without JRE included > >> > >> 3.0 uses a different install process to the 2.0 version. Things are > >> packaged differently.. If you went through the main page you would have > >> got a file something like : > >> OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz > >> > >> unpack it #tar -zxvf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz > >> > >> navigate into the folder it creates and you'll see four folders, a jar > >> file and two shell scripts. One called "setup" > >> > >> as root do ./setup and follow the instructions. > >> > >> Alternatively, if your JRE is up to date you can click on the "Get more > >> platforms and languages" link at the bottom of the download panel on the > >> front page and you can get OOo_3.0.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz . > >> (I presume you're using 64 bit) This doesn't have the JRE installer > >> included. The 32 bit will work as well. > >> > >> The third alternative is Novell's version which is available from > >> http://go-ooo.org. If ooxml filters is your issue then I would suggest > >> this as the best option. > >> > >> Cheers > >> GL > > > > And I forgot to add, the version without the the JRE doesn't have the > > Setup shell script, just do the normal navigate to the RPMs directory, > > move your specific desktop integration file into the main folder and do > > rpm -ivh *.rpm and you should be in business. > > > > Cheers > > GL > > -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) http://www.theingots.org OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 11:10:37 2009 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:10:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) In-Reply-To: <4967E002.1070300@shaw.ca> References: <4967E002.1070300@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4968822D.6050903@gmail.com> Brian Fristensky wrote: > After recent upgrades to my server, my DLW thin client will no longer boot. > It seems to load all files by TFTP, but then I get the following messages: > > Red Hat nash version 6.0.52 starting > mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) > nfsmount: error mounting 192.168.1.103:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as > nfs: Bad file descriptor > /setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory > etc...... > > I interpret this to mean that the thin client is trying mount > /opt/ltsp/i386 > as /sysroot on the thin client. the IP of the server is correct. > As suggested in a posting about another RPC-related problem: > > > /root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > > /opt/ltsp > (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > I have tried rebooting the server, and even restarting rpcbind and nfs, > with no luck. > > Help would be appreciated. > > Check the /etc/exports file on your server and see if your terminal's IP address is allowed to mount that filesystem. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 10 12:19:45 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:19:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Login Background Message-ID: <1231589985.4791.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Moon, 1. First you will need to create whatever background image you want to have showing for your login background. Images should be 304x250 pixels in size. You can stretch /skew your existing picture in Gimp or mspaint if you are more familiar with paint in winders. 2. Save this image as k12ltsp.jpg & k12ltsp.png ( two images). 3. As root at the server console open Nautilus( file browser) and navigate to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux 3a. rename the existing k12ltsp.jpg & k12ltsp.png files to k12ltspORIG,( right click >rename). 3b. Now copy and paste the two images you created earlier,that you want to use into this directory. 4. DONE Reboot a thin client and you will be seeing your new background image. Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 10 14:49:02 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:49:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Background In-Reply-To: <1231567778.16049.15.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> <774593a20901092146s17ba472dlef2328e1e8ed9537@mail.gmail.com> <1231567778.16049.15.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090110144901.GA23029@junker.owens.net> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 01:09:38AM -0500, Moon wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 11:16 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > 2009/1/10 Moon : > > > How does one change the login background image since gdmsetup is no longer > > > available in the current release of GNOME? I definitely want to get rid of > > > the ugly default login background... > > > > > > > If you are comfortable with command line gdm.conf is the file that > > contains all parameters and pretty well commented. > > > > Maybe I missed something here, but first I am not a programmer, second > our definitions of "well commented" are about as far off as our physical > locations. > > I might as well be reading Greek... No offense to anyone but the point > here is that I do not know Greek... > > If someone can point me to the actual file that references the > background image, I would appreciate it. > Try /usr/share/gdm/themes There should be a directory for each gdm theme installed on your system. In each of those directories is probably a "background.png" file -Rob From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 15:32:24 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:32:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Teachertool snapshots not working In-Reply-To: <1231549429.4791.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1231549429.4791.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Usually if the snapshot part does not work in FL_TT, the Monitor/Control > portion does not work either. Have you tried these by chance? If you > like you can try installing this via the rpm's I made. I have never > gotten any feedback on any X86_64 try outs,though.The rpm's do all the > permissions voodoo in the install so it ends up being pretty simple. > If you'd like to give it a try here is the url: Monitor/Control/Broadcasts/Spotlight works perfectly. > > ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62/ > > Also are you sure the clients are getting correct hostnames?,, > ws001 , ws002 ? The only thin clients where using hostname in a shell at the client returns the name are those with dhcp reservations defined. But, as mentioned, on the i386 system, snapshots work for all thin clients regardless of whether they know their hostname. Ping does work properly. e.g. ping ws001.ltsp works even though ws001.ltsp doesn't know its hostname so dns is working properly in this respect. After looking at the source code I think I'll go in sometime this weekend and see if I can just use vncsnapshot manually from a shell, replicating the command that FL_TT is using. Thanks! Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 15:39:42 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:39:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> Message-ID: >> - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the >> desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is shown? >> Where do I look next? > > I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a few > months now. Could you please try booting your server with the K12Linux F10 > Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? > I've seen this happen on a few occasions if the user didn't get authenticated properly for accessing the USB drive. Whatever process is used to display the icon also seemed to create a directory in the users Drives directory with the same name as the USB stick. A symptom of this happening for me was that the free space on the USB folder wasn't right since the directory was actually a real directory on the filesystem. The fix was to make sure authentication worked, make sure the user was in the fuse group, unplug the USB drive, cd to the user's Drives directory and delete the contents of Drives directory (it should be empty if there aren't any USB drives, floppies, etc connected). Then, plug in the USB drive and everything worked. The fuse part may not be needed at this point but I always add every user to that group anyway at this point. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 15:51:11 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:51:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: > However, two issues. I was confused by your steps with respect to the > desktop integration. After using the ./setup command to get the > program installed, my currently existing open office icons no longer > work. Clicking them gives the error: > > "Could not launch application Failed to execute child process > "openoffice.org" (No such file or directory)" > > The command the shortcut references is: > > openoffice.org -writer %U To fix this, I run gconf-editor, then under apps->panel->objects I change the .desktop file that the panel icons point to by selecting the key that specifies which .desktop file to launch and changing the name, for instance, from openoffice.org -writer %U to openoffice.org3 -writer %U .... it should also be possible to just go to the /usr/share/applications directory and rename openoffice.org3-writer.desktop to openoffice.org-writer.destkop (for instance) and have everything work as well. I also set the icons to "Mandatory" using the gconf-editor GUI to force these panel objects to show up always. If you can't tell, I really like gconf-editor and what it can do (like setting the http_proxy setting and other system-wide settings in addition to apps) > The second problem is a bit more crucial -- the whole reason I was not > able to just stick with the stock CentOS 5.2 version of open office is > because of its inability to deal with *.docx files. After > installation of the most recent version (OO help indicates that it is > indeed version 3) everytime I try to open a MS office 2007 docx file, > Open Office crashes. I've tried several different types of files, and > each time it does the same thing -- crashes, restarts, attempts to > recover. I have opened several .docx files with OOO3 without issues using both the 32- and 64- bit versions of OO.org3. I've also added the pdf import extension and used it. If these aren't working correctly, try quickly uninstalling OO.org3 (I use yumex, use openoffice as a filter and unselect all the openoffice packages. Then, cd to the OO.org3 installation directory and re-run the ./setup script (on 32-bit), I unselect the online-update option since that has caused issues for me. Finally, I re-run the script to install all the Microsoft fonts to make certain they are installed, and then run spadmin to add some more fonts that we have locally. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From wtogami at redhat.com Sat Jan 10 16:09:31 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:09:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> Message-ID: <4968C83B.3030808@redhat.com> David Hopkins wrote: > fuse part may not be needed at this point but I always add every user > to that group anyway at this point. Since Fedora 9 there is no fuse group anymore, since gvfs handles this. Warren From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Jan 10 16:35:57 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:35:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) Message-ID: <4968CE6D.2040205@shaw.ca> > Brian Fristensky wrote: >> After recent upgrades to my server, my DLW thin client will no longer boot. >> It seems to load all files by TFTP, but then I get the following messages: >> >> Red Hat nash version 6.0.52 starting >> mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) >> nfsmount: error mounting 192.168.1.103:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor >> /setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory >> etc...... >> >> I interpret this to mean that the thin client is trying mount /opt/ltsp/i386 >> as /sysroot on the thin client. the IP of the server is correct. >> As suggested in a posting about another RPC-related problem: >> >> > /root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v >> > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) >> >> I have tried rebooting the server, and even restarting rpcbind and nfs, with no luck. >> >> Help would be appreciated. >> >> > > Check the /etc/exports file on your server and see if your terminal's IP address is allowed to mount that filesystem. > > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | As specified in the LTSP setup instructions, my /etc/exports file contains exactly one line: /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash) This worked perfectly for several months, and has not changed. Something else has changed, and since I haven't been playing around with NFS or RPC, I suspect it occurred as a result of a yum update. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 21:33:09 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:33:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Teachertool snapshots not working In-Reply-To: References: <1231549429.4791.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:32 AM, David Hopkins wrote: >> Usually if the snapshot part does not work in FL_TT, the Monitor/Control >> portion does not work either. Have you tried these by chance? If you >> like you can try installing this via the rpm's I made. I have never >> gotten any feedback on any X86_64 try outs,though.The rpm's do all the >> permissions voodoo in the install so it ends up being pretty simple. >> If you'd like to give it a try here is the url: > > Monitor/Control/Broadcasts/Spotlight works perfectly. if monitor/control is working then check to see you have vncsnapshot and imagemagick (man convert) . What I do is first grab the full screen image with vncsnapshot then I resize the image with convert. here is the code that does it first I check to see the client is up with ping (if success then I take the snapshot) lines 810-820 basically it's /usr/bin/vncsnapshot -passwd /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.vnc/passwd -encodings hextile -allowblank ws250.ltsp:0 /tmp/snapshots/ws250.ltsp.jpg btw I create a folder in /tmp to store the shots lines 598-605 these lines are for version 0.62 >> >> ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62/ >> >> Also are you sure the clients are getting correct hostnames?,, >> ws001 , ws002 ? > > The only thin clients where using hostname in a shell at the client > returns the name are those with dhcp reservations defined. But, as > mentioned, on the i386 system, snapshots work for all thin clients > regardless of whether they know their hostname. Ping does work > properly. e.g. ping ws001.ltsp works even though ws001.ltsp doesn't > know its hostname so dns is working properly in this respect. After > looking at the source code I think I'll go in sometime this weekend > and see if I can just use vncsnapshot manually from a shell, > replicating the command that FL_TT is using. > > Thanks! > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 10 22:49:07 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:49:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) Message-ID: <1231627747.24853.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, >From what I gathered this is an install of ltsp on top of 'whatever disto'? I guess I have never seen an actual install of ltsp on top of a distro. I have always been used to seeing the following on a k12ltsp install.The following is a default export of k12ltsp. I would think you need something very close to this? Are you sure prior to the yum update you only had the one export line? /opt/ltsp/i386 Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /home Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/fonts Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /opt/ltsp/ppc Network 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 This looks pretty wacky as this is a copy paste from my box. This should give you some idea though. Let us know your progress. Hope this helps. Take care, Barry Cisna From sbetts at msad52.org Sun Jan 11 22:09:40 2009 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:09:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Box office program Message-ID: After having gone through the experience of selling tickets for the Wizard of Oz and dealing with literally hundreds of request of tickets, I was wondering if you know of an open-source or free software application that deals with box office reservations / ticket printing. Sharon From adrian at blug.org Sun Jan 11 22:17:16 2009 From: adrian at blug.org (Adrian Klaver) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:17:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxFest Northwest 2009 Call for Presenters Message-ID: <200901111417.16734.adrian@blug.org> LinuxFest Northwest 2009 will be held April 25th and 26th at Bellingham Technical College, Bellingham, WA http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ As I remember some years back there was an Education track put on by k12ltsp at LinuxFest NW and it was well received. It would seem to be a good time to do that again. If there is interest feel free to contact me or sign up through the Call for Presenters link at the URL above. Thank you, -- Adrian Klaver adrian at blug.org From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 23:19:53 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:19:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird LTSP Boot error Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. Just when I thought most of my issues were resolved, I see this [FAILED] message show up while I was rebooting the server ( I was able to replicate the message via webmin reapplying the iptable rules) Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: mangle nat filter [ OK ] Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] Applying iptables firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.3.5: interface name `eth2_LTSP_Church' must be shorter than IFNAMSIZ (15) Error occurred at line: 11 Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information. I tried using Google to find out more about this error, but it gave me nothing but the code that generates it. iptables-restore --help also gives nothing. The two interfaces' names were: eth0_LTSP_School eth1_Internet_Nic eth2_LTSP_Church But when I saw that message I changed eth0 and eth2 to: eth0LTSPSchool eth2LTSPChurch To make them shorter and restarted but that made no difference. What should I do? Thank you! Joseph From ben at inspiredtechs.com Mon Jan 12 01:47:01 2009 From: ben at inspiredtechs.com (Ben Dailey) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:47:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Box office program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57f84b3e0901111747r5e8f501bt6d47dbf113c417d5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Sharon Betts wrote: > After having gone through the experience of selling tickets for the Wizard > of Oz and dealing with literally hundreds of request of tickets, I was > wondering if you know of an open-source or free software application that > deals with box office reservations / ticket printing. > Sharon Take a look at http://www.fusionticket.org/ based on the now dead phpMyTicket. HTH, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burke at thealmquists.net Mon Jan 12 04:00:30 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:00:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSPBR0 not setup correctly on F10 In-Reply-To: <496806E5.8020901@redhat.com> References: <496806E5.8020901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <997A2E00-C204-41AD-A0DD-25D742C28C17@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When using the F10 liveDVD installer (at least on x86_64), ltspbr0 doesn't have a static IP setup by default like it used to. So simply adding BRIDGE=ethN to to the ifcfg-ethN file in /etc/sysconfig/ network-scripts isn't working like it should according to the file on the desktop. You have to manually add IPADDR=172.31.100.254 and NETMASK=255.255.255.0 to get it working, and then restart the network and ltsp-dhcpd services. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklqwF4ACgkQxWV7OPa/g5G3fQCfTPfjz3HwLVlQnciGCf9IkI67 usoAn2mJfZq2aeKoGZq5jNEHG13BOIaj =I6S9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rgm at htt-consult.com Mon Jan 12 04:07:42 2009 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:07:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Installer on Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <22A9A896-9D99-4670-8ED7-65FD8EAF84D0@breun.nl> References: <20080701175254.ZKKAD.462410.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <496AC20E.6060403@htt-consult.com> Does anyone know if this will work on FC9? What will it take to make it work? Why FC9? Well I have started playing with Amahi, and I wanted to try to run the Samba/LDAP Installer over the top of an Amahi install. Perhaps that is overkill, but I want LDAP and PDC/BDCs and all those other niceities that Amahi developers have not figured out yet, but Matt did figure out... From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Jan 12 04:46:07 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:46:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSPBR0 not setup correctly on F10 In-Reply-To: <997A2E00-C204-41AD-A0DD-25D742C28C17@thealmquists.net> References: <496806E5.8020901@redhat.com> <997A2E00-C204-41AD-A0DD-25D742C28C17@thealmquists.net> Message-ID: <496ACB0F.1080905@redhat.com> Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > When using the F10 liveDVD installer (at least on x86_64), ltspbr0 > doesn't have a static IP setup by default like it used to. So simply > adding BRIDGE=ethN to to the ifcfg-ethN file in > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts isn't working like it should according to > the file on the desktop. You have to manually add IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > and NETMASK=255.255.255.0 to get it working, and then restart the > network and ltsp-dhcpd services. Huh? What is the exact content of /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-ltspbr0 immediately after boot? cat etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0 # Sample Configuration for Initscript Driven Bridge # Put this into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0 # Note that this network range does not match the defaults in dhcpd.conf DEVICE=ltspbr0 TYPE=Bridge ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static STP=off DELAY=0.1 USERCTL=no IPV6INIT=no PEERDNS=yes NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=172.31.100.254 ARP=yes This is the exact contents shipped on the x86_64 image. What does "brctl show" show immediately after boot? Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de Mon Jan 12 08:41:57 2009 From: Reinald.Gfuellner at tum.de (Reinald Gfuellner) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:41:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 (fc9-backport on RHEL5) : Local devices ? Message-ID: <496B0255.7050307@tum.de> Sound works great but I can't access an USB-Stick in fedora9-ltsp-chroot on native RHEL5.2. Would this basically be possible today or do I have to change to K12LTSP-5.0. Is there an Explanation how PnP should work ? Thanks for any hint ! Reinald RHEL5.2 ltsp-server-5.1.13-2.el5.rpm http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/fedora9-ltsp-chroot-20080912.tar.bz2 On the server: - fuse-Module was loaded by hand On the client: - /dev/sda1 can be mounted by hand - no /tmp/drives - ltspd runs (though there is no ltspinfod like in k12ltsp ) In a gnome session: - /usr/bin/ltspfs client1:/dev/sda1 /tmp/mnt : "Couldn't read LTPFS TOLKEN atom." - no ~/Drives -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5913 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 12:30:47 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:30:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Teachertool snapshots not working In-Reply-To: References: <1231549429.4791.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >> Monitor/Control/Broadcasts/Spotlight works perfectly. > > if monitor/control is working then check to see you have vncsnapshot > and imagemagick (man convert) . What I do is first grab the full > screen image with vncsnapshot then I resize the image with convert. > > here is the code that does it > > first I check to see the client is up with ping (if success then I > take the snapshot) > > lines 810-820 > > basically it's > > /usr/bin/vncsnapshot -passwd /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.vnc/passwd > -encodings hextile -allowblank ws250.ltsp:0 > /tmp/snapshots/ws250.ltsp.jpg > > btw I create a folder in /tmp to store the shots > > lines 598-605 > > these lines are for version 0.62 > Using the 64bit version of vncsnapshot, I get an error code 120 from the vncserver. However, simply copying the 32bit version of vncsnapshot (from one of my systems at is 32bit) and re-running the command, the snapshot works. So for now I have simply replaced the /usr/bin/vncsnapshot with the 32bit version. I'll clean up the install later to remove the x86_64 version and re-install the i386 version. Having the actual command to run helped sort it out really quickly. Thanks! Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jan 12 15:57:24 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:57:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird LTSP Boot error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496B6864.4040004@cmosnetworks.com> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > Just when I thought most of my issues were resolved, I see this > [FAILED] message show up while I was rebooting the server ( I was > able to replicate the message via webmin reapplying the iptable rules) > > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: mangle nat filter [ OK ] > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > Applying iptables firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.3.5: interface > name `eth2_LTSP_Church' must be shorter than IFNAMSIZ (15) > Error occurred at line: 11 > Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information. > > I tried using Google to find out more about this error, but it gave me > nothing but the code that generates it. iptables-restore --help also > gives nothing. > > The two interfaces' names were: > eth0_LTSP_School > eth1_Internet_Nic > eth2_LTSP_Church > > But when I saw that message I changed eth0 and eth2 to: > > eth0LTSPSchool > eth2LTSPChurch > > To make them shorter and restarted but that made no difference. > > What should I do? > > Thank you! > > Joseph > Hmm...haven't seen this one before. I took a look at the include file (if.h), and it is "#defined" to be 16. That apparently means that there can be a max of 16 characters in the name of an interface. However, "eth2LTSPChurch" is only 14 characters long. "eth1_Internet_Nic", however, is 17 characters long. Try shortening that one, too. If that doesn't work, then my guess is that somehow Linux is adding a few characters to the end of the interface names, and that you should try shortening them yet more. Maybe something like eth0School, eth1Internet, and eth2Church. You already know it's the LTSP server. :-) --TP From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Jan 12 21:08:17 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:08:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird LTSP Boot error Message-ID: <1231794497.13884.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Joseph, Go into Webmin>Networking>Linux Firewall and simply delete all the entries that are showing,and SAVE>Apply, Then reopen Webmin go back to same spot Select "Accept all traffic" button,this will re-generate your iptables srcipt.Then start adding all the zillion ports you want to block. This will at least get your TC's booting again with iptables actually running. The key is that the masquarading entry is in there( Postrouting). The TC's will never boot correctly without this single entry. Webmin hijacks to a certain degree the way iptables is controlled. Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jan 12 22:07:03 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:07:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authorization config files Message-ID: <496BBF07.50201@lane.k12.or.us> Hello all: I tried to answer this via the post: LTSP and LDAP auth probs - got some good info but not enough to solve. I'm moving from our old LSTP fc6 server to a brand new K12ltsp 5EL server. The old server is configured to authenticate users on our existing LDAP server (a different box than the fc6 ltsp server). Since I can't seem to get the answers on how to setup the new server correctly (still would like to know if anyone has that info...); perhaps someone could tell me: which files to copy (or emulate if need be) from the old fc6 box to the new k12ltsp 5EL server to make this work? Thanks in advance for any help. ~bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What is the exact content of /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-ltspbr0 > immediately after boot? # Computer DEVICE=ltspbr0 HWADDR=86:bc:25:51:a9:15 It's not just the ltspbr0 file that's like this, eth0 and eth1 are also like this after installation. > > cat etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0 > # Sample Configuration for Initscript Driven Bridge > # Put this into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0 > # Note that this network range does not match the defaults in > dhcpd.conf > DEVICE=ltspbr0 > TYPE=Bridge > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > STP=off > DELAY=0.1 > USERCTL=no > IPV6INIT=no > PEERDNS=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > ARP=yes > > This is the exact contents shipped on the x86_64 image. This is what I have when I'm using the liveCD, but after I do the install and restart the computer, I end up with empty network setup files from above. > > What does "brctl show" show immediately after boot? no devices are setup I am selecting a custom partition layout so I can do a RAID 1 setup on /home. Do you think that matters? > > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklr5msACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GeTACfRlbssRHn5v8L27YCaIrACPbe eZgAn2+2s4xnBsX/peVcueljcV7dYNDq =LodD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 13 03:57:01 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:57:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authorization config files In-Reply-To: <496BBF07.50201@lane.k12.or.us> References: <496BBF07.50201@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0901121957i1d6689dbwb9c222534eccd063@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/12 Bob Mead : > Hello all: > I tried to answer this via the post: LTSP and LDAP auth probs - got some > good info but not enough to solve. I'm moving from our old LSTP fc6 server > to a brand new K12ltsp 5EL server. The old server is configured to > authenticate users on our existing LDAP server (a different box than the fc6 > ltsp server). Since I can't seem to get the answers on how to setup the new > server correctly (still would like to know if anyone has that info...); > perhaps someone could tell me: which files to copy (or emulate if need be) > from the old fc6 box to the new k12ltsp 5EL server to make this work? Thanks > in advance for any help. Hi Bob, Most of the files you're looking to replicate are: /etc/ldap.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf /etc/pam.d/system-auth -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 > ~bob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 13 04:43:05 2009 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authorization config files In-Reply-To: <496BBF07.50201@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <450169.64881.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I did not see your original question and I am not currently using K12LTSP, but you might want to take a look at the steps I followed setting up our LDAP server. It is at http://chcn.ca/server . Granted, some things might be a bit different, but it might give you some ideas. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Bob Mead wrote: > From: Bob Mead > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authorization config files > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 4:07 PM > Hello all: > I tried to answer this via the post: LTSP and LDAP auth > probs - got some good info but not enough to solve. I'm > moving from our old LSTP fc6 server to a brand new K12ltsp > 5EL server. The old server is configured to authenticate > users on our existing LDAP server (a different box than the > fc6 ltsp server). Since I can't seem to get the answers > on how to setup the new server correctly (still would like > to know if anyone has that info...); perhaps someone could > tell me: which files to copy (or emulate if need be) from > the old fc6 box to the new k12ltsp 5EL server to make this > work? Thanks in advance for any help. > ~bob > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Tue Jan 13 16:20:19 2009 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:20:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail Message-ID: <43080f460901130820g46f2be91qfb675b9f27ec81aa@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else getting this on K12LSTP 5EL? http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/fedora/3/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno -1] Error importing repomd.xml for macromedia: Damaged repomd.xml file Trying other mirror. Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: macromedia. 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Please verify its path and try again That URL looks wrong. I guess you have a broken config for Flash plugin. (Where does that '3' come from?!) I'd remove that part of your config and follow Adobe's instructions at http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/#section-3 Section: "Installation instructions for the YUM repository definition" Nils Breunese. From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Jan 14 00:27:48 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:27:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux F10 Live Server Stable 2 Message-ID: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479893 Live Hard Drive install shouldn't mangle the ifcfg-* files Thanks to Almquist Burke for discovering this critical issue in the previous spin. I respun the images as "stable2". Going ahead with formal announcement probably tomorrow. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 06:31:12 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:31:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, David Trask wrote: > Hi guys, > > Long time since I've been in here, but as usual things are humming along > as we are in our 8th year of running Linux terminals...etc. I'm looking > to buy a new lab this year with more powerful thin-clients for running > some apps locally. I like the idea of some of the Atom based > thin-clients. I'm hoping to keep the price under $250 per machine and I'm > looking for any recommendations that folks may have or have heard > about...etc. Also...has anyone tried the new MSI Wind desktop as a > thin-client? Those have the really small form factor....atom....and > barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have > what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. Hi David, Please let us know if you do purchase the MSI Wind Nettop. I am considering purchasing these also and would like to know if there are any issues with them. My only current concern is how loud the case fan is going to be with 32 of them in my classroom. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 14 16:10:17 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:10:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp login Message-ID: <496E0E69.3060804@lane.k12.or.us> Hello all: I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this and found that the file isn't there. Its not there on the LTSP server, its not there on the remote server (where the home dirs are served from via nfs). Any thoughts on where I might look for this file or, more importantly - why am I getting this error and will I have to manually fix the error for each user? I'm going to assume that it has something to do with the way the /home dirs are being mounted. The relevant line from /etc/fstab is as follows: :/home /home nfs auto 0 0 Thanks in advance for any help, ~bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to do this Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: RelaxPermissions=1 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:00:34 2009 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:00:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Set Users' Homepage Message-ID: <8b88203f0901140900h1b49060cl1887964c110e22f6@mail.gmail.com> Well, I've finally gotten around to resetting the user homepages to go to our school website... but I can't remember how I did it. I do remember that I did it by replacing the stock htmlview with a small script that I wrote... I wish I could find it! How are people forcing the default firefox page now on K12EL5? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 14 17:23:18 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:23:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <994441ae0901140819o4d1fcfd2gf4af6753c06b07d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <496E0E69.3060804@lane.k12.or.us> <994441ae0901140819o4d1fcfd2gf4af6753c06b07d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0901140923k20804e66x5e902eb23716dfff@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Dan Young wrote: > 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : >> I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server >> loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, >> authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and >> others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is >> being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I >> need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this > > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > RelaxPermissions=1 Whoops, forgot to mention that you'll need to do a "gdm-restart" as root to have that take effect. This will _terminate all sessions_ and log out all users, so wait until everyone is logged off. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From COLLIGANML at southfield.k12.mi.us Wed Jan 14 19:10:27 2009 From: COLLIGANML at southfield.k12.mi.us (COLLIGAN, MERRI LYNN) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing a windows share Message-ID: <8BB5AA11CD85344DAB60296AB0B2497101529F98@itc-ex02.sps.local> I am having difficulty accessing a windows share from the LTSP server and clients. Are there directions on how to access a share and how to setup the share to auto mount at login for users? 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URL: From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 14 23:20:06 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:20:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <20090114170050.824DD619C38@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090114170050.824DD619C38@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <496E7326.6020805@lane.k12.or.us> 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > > I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server > > loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, > > authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and > > others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is > > being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I > > need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: RelaxPermissions=1 Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: CheckDirOwner=false Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? updatedb && locate .dmrc Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Dan: I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the problem. I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm stop and gdm restart - both of which return "GDM already running. Aborting!" so its probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it found a large number of .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's /home directory. Mine is located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy or move it, seemingly no matter what I do to the permissions or ownership - either as myself or as root. Any further thoughts on what I might try? Thanks, ~bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rowens at ptd.net Thu Jan 15 00:02:45 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:02:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <496E7326.6020805@lane.k12.or.us> References: <20090114170050.824DD619C38@hormel.redhat.com> <496E7326.6020805@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672@junker.owens.net> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > > >> I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server > >> loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, > >> authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and > >> others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is > >> being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I > >> need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this > > > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > RelaxPermissions=1 > > Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > CheckDirOwner=false > > Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? > > updatedb && locate .dmrc > > > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > Dan: > I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the problem. > I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm stop and gdm > restart - both of which return "GDM already running. Aborting!" so its > probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it found a large number > of .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's /home directory. Mine is > located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy or move it, seemingly no > matter what I do to the permissions or ownership - either as myself or as > root. Any further thoughts on what I might try? > The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. -Rob From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 15 01:29:30 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:29:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux F10 Live Server Stable 2 In-Reply-To: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> After having spent better part of the afternoon just trying to setup K12Linux and really questioning why, I ran across an article this afternoon that kind of hit the nail on the head. It is an article written by someone I believe most of you know; Carla Schroder. I say she hit the nail on the head because she points out the real coming demise of Linux, especially Red Hat (Fedora mostly so far, but Ubuntu is doing their share, although the GNOME people are adding their own level of confusion) which I also believe is doing their own "Vista" self destruction. Take a moment and read the article, then go back and compare K12LTSP to K12Linux and tell me I'm wrong. http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/01/linux-succumbs.html On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 19:27 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479893 > Live Hard Drive install shouldn't mangle the ifcfg-* files > > Thanks to Almquist Burke for discovering this critical issue in the > previous spin. I respun the images as "stable2". > > Going ahead with formal announcement probably tomorrow. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Thu Jan 15 03:14:16 2009 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:14:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux F10 Live Server Stable 2 In-Reply-To: <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <20296509.4441231989256319.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> [...] the real coming demise of Linux [...] OK, I read the article. I didn't see the "real, coming demise of Linux". I just saw some discontent over the current complexity of system configuration, and, I believe, an underlying understanding of it's necessity. Maybe I misunderstood. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 15 03:03:34 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:03:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <496E7326.6020805@lane.k12.or.us> References: <20090114170050.824DD619C38@hormel.redhat.com> <496E7326.6020805@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0901141903pcfb8a50v9b615651a89e8044@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > >> > I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server >> > loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, >> > authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and >> > others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is >> > being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I >> > need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this >> > > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > RelaxPermissions=1 > > Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > CheckDirOwner=false > > Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? > > updatedb && locate .dmrc > > > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > Dan: > I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the problem. > I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm stop and gdm > restart - both of which return "GDM already running. Aborting!" so its > probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it found a large number of > .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's /home directory. Mine is > located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy or move it, seemingly no > matter what I do to the permissions or ownership - either as myself or as > root. Any further thoughts on what I might try? How about RelaxPermissions=2? gdm-restart as root again. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Jan 15 03:06:51 2009 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:51 -0500 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> Hi, You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to believe what has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I was delighted by the ease and coherent approach to setting up and run a thin-client system, now with K12linux it seems nothing short of a miracle if the server doesn't ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin to the "Blue Screen of Death". Although I do agree that that Linux has progressed dramatically in a few short years it has also become a daunting challenge to manage & maintain. The development of utilities like Yum & Smart do make updates easier, however when an application doesn't work trying to find the problem & resolve it is no easier than finding a coherent entry in the M$ registry. I have always adopted the "KISS" principle maybe it time to take a step back and try that approach to Linux, least it go the way of the "Dodo bird" Norbert Bedoucha UNIX/Linux Sys Admin & Volunteer, as in for free, K12LTSP integrator in schools and community organizations Moon wrote: > After having spent better part of the afternoon just trying to setup > K12Linux and really questioning why, I ran across an article this > afternoon that kind of hit the nail on the head. It is an article > written by someone I believe most of you know; Carla Schroder. I say > she hit the nail on the head because she points out the real coming > demise of Linux, especially Red Hat (Fedora mostly so far, but Ubuntu > is doing their share, although the GNOME people are adding their own > level of confusion) which I also believe is doing their own "Vista" > self destruction. Take a moment and read the article, then go back > and compare K12LTSP to K12Linux and tell me I'm wrong. > > http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/01/linux-succumbs.html > > On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 19:27 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479893 >> Live Hard Drive install shouldn't mangle the ifcfg-* files >> >> Thanks to Almquist Burke for discovering this critical issue in the >> previous spin. I respun the images as "stable2". >> >> Going ahead with formal announcement probably tomorrow. >> >> Warren Togami >> wtogami at redhat.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 15 03:39:38 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:39:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux F10 Live Server Stable 2 In-Reply-To: <20296509.4441231989256319.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> References: <20296509.4441231989256319.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <1231990778.6220.39.camel@mws.localdomain> I believe the point Carla is making (and is my opinion as well, and looks like others as well) is that Linux is becoming "needlessly-complex" making it so convoluted it is becoming difficult to administer. Try something as simple as changing the K12Linux Fedora 10 (server box) login window background image, you can't as easily as you once did. Why, because GNOME left out the option (login screen editor) in GNOME 2.4. Why would one need NetworkManager (or want to have) it on a server? Wasn't NetworkManager really made for portable computing? Read Fedora's own definition at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/NetworkManager. It just seems we're getting as Carla puts it 'Windows-Itis". I would think the best way to differentiate Linux from Windows would be to not try to be like Windows. On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 20:14 -0700, David L. Willson wrote: > [...] the real coming demise of Linux [...] > > OK, I read the article. I didn't see the "real, coming demise of Linux". I just saw some discontent over the current complexity of system configuration, and, I believe, an underlying understanding of it's necessity. Maybe I misunderstood. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From monteslu at cox.net Thu Jan 15 03:45:15 2009 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:45:15 -0700 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> Message-ID: <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> "Keep it Simple, Stupid" is great for things that are simple, but a complete Linux distribution, not to mention LTSP is far from simple. One of Carla's main gripes seems to be the splitting up of config files. Sure it's more complicated, but I don't see a ton of stuff that gets put in that's done simply to make things more complicated. For example, yum.conf used to hold the repos that your system could use in a single file. Now each repo is in its own file under /etc/yum.repos.d/ Why would they do that when it was so simple to edit a single file? Well, what if you want to have the repo definition in an rpm file that you can easily click on a webpage and install without opening a text editor? It's much easier to drop a repo definition into that directory and remove it with a package manager than it is to mess around with your config file in a package post-install procedure. Making things easy for the novice to configure with a GUI comes at the expense of making it more difficult for the expert to edit files by hand. Still, I don't think this is the big deal that Carla is making it out to be (then again, I'm not trying to get hits on my website for ad revenue). K12LTSP was great, but the world has moved on. Fedora+LTSP5 (k12linux) has some really cool things going for it. The work going on with local apps is worth the switch alone. The only thing in k12linux that I don't see as an improvement to K12ltsp is the use of a network bridge to keep the DHCP server off the physical network. It's intention is to protect us from ourselves, which is nice, but I did have trouble removing it and passing traffic through eth0. I'm really hoping that using a network bridge is NOT the default for the next version. Luis bear2bar wrote: > Hi, > You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" > a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to > believe what has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I > was delighted by the ease and coherent approach to setting up and run > a thin-client system, now with K12linux it seems nothing short of a > miracle if the server doesn't ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin to > the "Blue Screen of Death". > Although I do agree that that Linux has progressed dramatically in a > few short years it has also become a daunting challenge to manage & > maintain. The development of utilities like Yum & Smart do make > updates easier, however when an application doesn't work trying to > find the problem & resolve it is no easier than finding a coherent > entry in the M$ registry. > I have always adopted the "KISS" principle maybe it time to take a > step back and try that approach to Linux, least it go the way of the > "Dodo bird" > > Norbert Bedoucha > UNIX/Linux Sys Admin & Volunteer, as in for free, K12LTSP integrator > in schools and community organizations > Moon wrote: >> After having spent better part of the afternoon just trying to setup >> K12Linux and really questioning why, I ran across an article this >> afternoon that kind of hit the nail on the head. It is an article >> written by someone I believe most of you know; Carla Schroder. I say >> she hit the nail on the head because she points out the real coming >> demise of Linux, especially Red Hat (Fedora mostly so far, but Ubuntu >> is doing their share, although the GNOME people are adding their own >> level of confusion) which I also believe is doing their own "Vista" >> self destruction. Take a moment and read the article, then go back >> and compare K12LTSP to K12Linux and tell me I'm wrong. >> >> http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/01/linux-succumbs.html >> >> On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 19:27 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479893 >>> Live Hard Drive install shouldn't mangle the ifcfg-* files >>> >>> Thanks to Almquist Burke for discovering this critical issue in the >>> previous spin. I respun the images as "stable2". >>> >>> Going ahead with formal announcement probably tomorrow. >>> >>> Warren Togami >>> wtogami at redhat.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 03:54:57 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:54:57 -0500 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> Message-ID: <496EB391.5020009@redhat.com> bear2bar wrote: > Hi, > You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" > a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to believe > what has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I was > delighted by the ease and coherent approach to setting up and run a > thin-client system, now with K12linux it seems nothing short of a > miracle if the server doesn't ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin to > the "Blue Screen of Death". Why has nobody reported a bug of this nature? It has been totally fine for me for the better part the past year If nobody complains then I can only assume that it is working fine. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 03:57:31 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:57:31 -0500 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> Message-ID: <496EB42B.3060302@redhat.com> Luis Montes wrote: > > The only thing in k12linux that I don't see as an improvement to K12ltsp > is the use of a network bridge to keep the DHCP server off the physical > network. It's intention is to protect us from ourselves, which is nice, > but I did have trouble removing it and passing traffic through eth0. > I'm really hoping that using a network bridge is NOT the default for the > next version. > It will forever be the default. Though what exactly is it making difficult for you? Please explain? And if you so choose, is not difficult to reconfigure everything to serve through a real ethX interface instead of the bridge. Doing this manually is no less difficult than it was with K12LTSP. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From monteslu at cox.net Thu Jan 15 04:01:05 2009 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:01:05 -0700 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EB391.5020009@redhat.com> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB391.5020009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <496EB501.10508@cox.net> Warren Togami wrote: > bear2bar wrote: >> Hi, >> You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" >> a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to >> believe what has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I >> was delighted by the ease and coherent approach to setting up and run >> a thin-client system, now with K12linux it seems nothing short of a >> miracle if the server doesn't ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin >> to the "Blue Screen of Death". > > Why has nobody reported a bug of this nature? It has been totally > fine for me for the better part the past year If nobody complains > then I can only assume that it is working fine. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > The post is a bit confusing to say the least. It went from being a post about being hard to configure to being unstable. Configuration difficulty is somewhat debatable, but I haven't seen any stability problems. Luis From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 15 04:25:42 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:25:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Background In-Reply-To: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <1231565526.16049.4.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <1231993542.6220.46.camel@mws.localdomain> Does anyone know where the default K12Linux Fedora 10 server system login screen hairball background image is located? If not does anyone know the name for the hairball background image? I'm not looking for the one that the thin client use, I need the one that is on the server. On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 00:32 -0500, Moon wrote: > How does one change the login background image since gdmsetup is no > longer available in the current release of GNOME? I definitely want to > get rid of the ugly default login background... > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvanassche at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 04:35:59 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:35:59 +0100 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EB501.10508@cox.net> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB391.5020009@redhat.com> <496EB501.10508@cox.net> Message-ID: <8cc423ef0901142035i35236a8dh220a1c3f171978d0@mail.gmail.com> Exactly the same complaints arose about half a year ago on the edubuntu list. In general it is probably due to the fact that many LTSP admins are very experienced with Linux, and it can seem quite daunting to those that are new to this terrain. Maybe we take too many things for granted. LTSP 5 has given us much better options for fine tuning and managing our LTSP servers, maybe its a question of documentation? David Van Assche www.nubae.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Luis Montes wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: >> >> bear2bar wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" >>> a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to believe what >>> has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I was delighted by the >>> ease and coherent approach to setting up and run a thin-client system, now >>> with K12linux it seems nothing short of a miracle if the server doesn't >>> ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin to the "Blue Screen of Death". >> >> Why has nobody reported a bug of this nature? It has been totally fine >> for me for the better part the past year If nobody complains then I can >> only assume that it is working fine. >> >> Warren Togami >> wtogami at redhat.com >> > > The post is a bit confusing to say the least. It went from being a post > about being hard to configure to being unstable. Configuration difficulty > is somewhat debatable, but I haven't seen any stability problems. > > Luis > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From monteslu at cox.net Thu Jan 15 04:46:06 2009 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:46:06 -0700 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EB42B.3060302@redhat.com> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> <496EB42B.3060302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <496EBF8E.9090702@cox.net> Warren Togami wrote: > Luis Montes wrote: >> >> The only thing in k12linux that I don't see as an improvement to >> K12ltsp is the use of a network bridge to keep the DHCP server off >> the physical network. It's intention is to protect us from ourselves, >> which is nice, but I did have trouble removing it and passing traffic >> through eth0. >> I'm really hoping that using a network bridge is NOT the default for >> the next version. >> > > It will forever be the default. > > Though what exactly is it making difficult for you? Please explain? > > And if you so choose, is not difficult to reconfigure everything to > serve through a real ethX interface instead of the bridge. Doing this > manually is no less difficult than it was with K12LTSP. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > My problem was that I was doing a one NIC setup which isn't yet documented: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/AdvancedNetworkSetup I'm guilty of not contributing anything back to the documentation once I got it to work. Now I have to figure out again what I did wrong. Maybe this time I'll write things down. Thanks for all the work you've put in, Warren. Luis. From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 15 06:31:59 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:31:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux Message-ID: <1232001119.6220.70.camel@mws.localdomain> Hello, here another K12Linux F10 x86_64 problem, that I had working in K12LTSP on same thin client and same server, just the LTSP version has changed. I am having trouble with getting a K12Linux i810 based thin client working. It seems that the Xserver does not automatically identify the system as being i810 in default mode, nor does it accept i810 (XSERVER=i810) parameter, only vesa, and that only works limited. If I don't edit the lts.conf file, it boots up into a blue screen with an input box, no text or images displayed. I then enter the username and password to login, which doesn't show either, it tries to boot into X but hangs once the desktop starts to display. It loads the desktop icons and then freezes before loading the top/bottom panels. If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=i810 parameter, the thin client locks up just as it gets ready to load X. If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=vesa parameter, it boots up fine and seems to work OK. However, when I log out it just goes to a blank screen, no login prompt. Another gotcha is there is no xorg.conf file anymore, so I'm clueless as to where I could possibly try to tune the video... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 07:33:40 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:33:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux In-Reply-To: <1232001119.6220.70.camel@mws.localdomain> References: <1232001119.6220.70.camel@mws.localdomain> Message-ID: <496EE6D4.2080306@redhat.com> Moon wrote: > Hello, here another K12Linux F10 x86_64 problem, that I had working in > K12LTSP on same thin client and same server, just the LTSP version has > changed. This is not a K12Linux problem. You are describing X.org upstream bugs. The K12LTSP version of X is like ~5 years old at this point. > > I am having trouble with getting a K12Linux i810 based thin client working. > > It seems that the Xserver does not automatically identify the system as > being i810 in default mode, nor does it accept i810 (XSERVER=i810) > parameter, only vesa, and that only works limited. > > If I don't edit the lts.conf file, it boots up into a blue screen with > an input box, no text or images displayed. I then enter the username and > password to login, which doesn't show either, it tries to boot into X > but hangs once the desktop starts to display. It loads the desktop icons > and then freezes before loading the top/bottom panels. > > If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=i810 parameter, the thin client > locks up just as it gets ready to load X. What specific hardware is this? Can you edit lts.conf, disable ldm and enable shells, then copy lspci? > > If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=vesa parameter, it boots up > fine and seems to work OK. However, when I log out it just goes to a > blank screen, no login prompt. > > Another gotcha is there is no xorg.conf file anymore, so I'm clueless as > to where I could possibly try to tune the video... lts.conf: X_CONF=/path/to/xorg.conf (path within your chroot) Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 07:36:15 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:36:15 -0500 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EBF8E.9090702@cox.net> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> <496EB42B.3060302@redhat.com> <496EBF8E.9090702@cox.net> Message-ID: <496EE76F.4000701@redhat.com> Luis Montes wrote: >> > My problem was that I was doing a one NIC setup which isn't yet documented: > > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/AdvancedNetworkSetup > > I'm guilty of not contributing anything back to the documentation once I > got it to work. Now I have to figure out again what I did wrong. Maybe > this time I'll write things down. > > Thanks for all the work you've put in, Warren. > I have to admit that I did not understand the one NIC setup before. I am under the impression that this is actually a lesson common way of using it, because you typically already have a DHCP server on a network. But the way you described it where the LTSP server itself serves DHCP for the rest of the network... that actually is not much different from the standard configuration at all. I suppose we really need people to describe what are the typical ways of setting up a LTSP network? Then we can organize the various ways into the documentation. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 15 08:31:38 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:31:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EE6D4.2080306@redhat.com> References: <1232001119.6220.70.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EE6D4.2080306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1232008298.17889.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> The primary thin client (which is the only PC platform the school has - 72 total for staff and students) is a Compaq D51 tower 2.2G P4 CPU with 512MB RAM Floppy CD/DVD Player (integrated video chipset). You're right in that it may be an X.org bug. I'm just not 100% sure it is only an X.org problem. Looking at the Fedora version of the driver, which by the way is named *i810* whereas the one on the X.org website is named *intel*, makes me wonder if this might be a Fedora tweaked replacement. I just finished setting up another server based on the K12Linux F10 i386 Stable 2 and found that the problem is the same. It is definitely looking like the intel driver is not properly identifying the chipset video. I do have a geode based thin client that seems to work fine on both servers, i386 and x86_64. I will check the lspci tomorrow and get you feedback on that. I don't follow you on this comment as I was not able to find a xorg.conf anywhere on the server, including the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386). lts.conf: > X_CONF=/path/to/xorg.conf (path within your chroot) > Thanks for the reply and tips... Charlie On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 02:33 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > Moon wrote: > > Hello, here another K12Linux F10 x86_64 problem, that I had working in > > K12LTSP on same thin client and same server, just the LTSP version has > > changed. > > This is not a K12Linux problem. You are describing X.org upstream bugs. > The K12LTSP version of X is like ~5 years old at this point. > > > > > I am having trouble with getting a K12Linux i810 based thin client working. > > > > It seems that the Xserver does not automatically identify the system as > > being i810 in default mode, nor does it accept i810 (XSERVER=i810) > > parameter, only vesa, and that only works limited. > > > > If I don't edit the lts.conf file, it boots up into a blue screen with > > an input box, no text or images displayed. I then enter the username and > > password to login, which doesn't show either, it tries to boot into X > > but hangs once the desktop starts to display. It loads the desktop icons > > and then freezes before loading the top/bottom panels. > > > > If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=i810 parameter, the thin client > > locks up just as it gets ready to load X. > > What specific hardware is this? Can you edit lts.conf, disable ldm and > enable shells, then copy lspci? > > > > > If I edit the lts.conf and enter XSERVER=vesa parameter, it boots up > > fine and seems to work OK. However, when I log out it just goes to a > > blank screen, no login prompt. > > > > Another gotcha is there is no xorg.conf file anymore, so I'm clueless as > > to where I could possibly try to tune the video... > > lts.conf: > X_CONF=/path/to/xorg.conf (path within your chroot) > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 12:48:01 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:48:01 -0600 Subject: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux In-Reply-To: <496EE76F.4000701@redhat.com> References: <496D3184.6080503@redhat.com> <1231982970.6220.19.camel@mws.localdomain> <496EA84B.3040304@netscape.net> <496EB14B.7050004@cox.net> <496EB42B.3060302@redhat.com> <496EBF8E.9090702@cox.net> <496EE76F.4000701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <496F3081.7070903@gmail.com> Warren Togami wrote: > >> Thanks for all the work you've put in, Warren. >> > > I have to admit that I did not understand the one NIC setup before. I > am under the impression that this is actually a lesson common way of > using it, because you typically already have a DHCP server on a network. That would likely depend on who is the network admin. If it is mostly a windows shop they'll have a separate machine for every service. If they are unix/linux guys, they'll run a bunch of stuff on the same box and may be replacing the existing dhcp server with the ltsp server. > But the way you described it where the LTSP server itself serves DHCP > for the rest of the network... that actually is not much different from > the standard configuration at all. Yet another alternative is to add the next-server option, etc. to the existing DHCP server on a flat network. > I suppose we really need people to describe what are the typical ways of > setting up a LTSP network? Then we can organize the various ways into > the documentation. The tricky ones are where you have multiple ltsp servers with a common NFS mounted /home and network authentication and want fail-over and load balancing among the clients. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jan 16 14:13:27 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:13:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget Message-ID: <1232115207.15320.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, I try and keep up on all the latest contraptions that would be a good fit for ltsp/k12ltsp TC's. I still haven't found a better fit than my good ol' Ebox 2300. Main reason being no fan, 0 moving parts. This is what I have used at our home as well for about 4 years now. I about cringe when I walk into a room and have to hear even one PC fan whirling away let alone a room of 30 of them, even though most manufacturers are toning them down quite a bit at this stage of the game. Also the clean look of mounting them on the back of the LCD. Out of sight ,out of mind for the little angels at school,the way I see it. Of course these would never work for video editing but in the real world , how much of this do kids actually do at school? We have never had one failure with these versus the new Dell's the school obtains its a constant battle replacing hard drives,, power supplies,,,yada,,,yada,, The Ebox 2300 will run Youtube, flash stuff just fine,just FYI. You could buy the MSI Win machines for about the same price as the Ebox 2300 though, I see. http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBOX23&aisle_id=1006 Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jan 16 14:30:02 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:30:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux Message-ID: <1232116202.18299.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Moon, This is just a kludge, but how about trying the i810.ko module from an i386 build of k12ltsp? Then just simply rename your existing i810.ko module to i810_x64 ,and drop in the i386 version and use your same XSERVER = i810 in your lts.conf file. It would be an easy try anyways. Beats banging your head against the wall over some of these 'behind the scenes' _x64 snafoos.If you don't have an i386 build of k12ltsp, I'd sure set this on our ftp site and you can download it. Let us know Take Care, Barry Cisna From moon at smbis.com Fri Jan 16 15:31:05 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:31:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux In-Reply-To: <1232116202.18299.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232116202.18299.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232119865.3060.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Barry, thanks for the input. I have another PC (P4 2.4G w/1G RAM) that I set up as a K12Linux F10 32bit server. The problem is on the i386 platform as well. I played around with the lts.conf with no luck. As I mentioned in a previous message there is no xorg.conf file. However, I loaded the F10 32bit regular client software on a similar workstation (same system type as thin client) and had same issues, but it had an xorg.conf file which I tried several modifications to that didn't help. Keep in mind that both the thin client based on K12LTSP boots up fine and the workstation based on CentOS 5.2 boot up and work fine. I tried taking the mods I did to the lts.conf and xorg.conf files from these and applying them to the newer F10 platforms, but it didn't help. I did additional research and found that there is a bug report to both the xorg and Ubuntu teams regarding the xorg i810 bug in recent release of xorg Intel drivers. The problem it seems is that the current version of the xorg Intel driver does not fully recognize the i810 chipset. FYI: I ran the update on the K12Linux F10 32bit server last night and now I get an 'mount RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed' and 'nfsmount: error mounting 172.31.100.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor' error message. So, it looks like the update killed the thin client boot capability... On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 08:30 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Moon, > > This is just a kludge, but how about trying the i810.ko module from an > i386 build of k12ltsp? Then just simply rename your existing i810.ko > module to i810_x64 ,and drop in the i386 version and use your same > XSERVER = i810 in your lts.conf file. It would be an easy try anyways. > Beats banging your head against the wall over some of these 'behind the > scenes' _x64 snafoos.If you don't have an i386 build of k12ltsp, I'd > sure set this on our ftp site and you can download it. > Let us know > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is what I used to get my setup functioning as desired, mounting a windows home folder share when a student logs in. -Bob H. http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:ADIntegration -------------- Original message -------------- From: "COLLIGAN, MERRI LYNN" I am having difficulty accessing a windows share from the LTSP server and clients. Are there directions on how to access a share and how to setup the share to auto mount at login for users? Merri Lynn Colligan 24855 Lahser Rd Southfield, MI 48033 Phone: 248.746.0132 Fax: 248.746.8578 email: colliganml at southfield.k12.mi.us This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > > 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > > > >>> > >> I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the server >>> > >> loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via nfs, >>> > >> authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan and >>> > >> others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc file is >>> > >> being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found that I >>> > >> need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do this >>> >> > > >> > > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > > > RelaxPermissions=1 > > > > Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > > > CheckDirOwner=false > > > > Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? > > > > updatedb && locate .dmrc > > > > > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > Dan: > > I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the problem. > > I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm stop and gdm > > restart - both of which return "GDM already running. Aborting!" so its > > probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it found a large number > > of .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's /home directory. Mine is > > located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy or move it, seemingly no > > matter what I do to the permissions or ownership - either as myself or as > > root. Any further thoughts on what I might try? > Dan: I tried changing to relaxpermissions=2 and rebooted, no change. Why does gdm restart (or gdm stop) return "GDM already running. Aborting!" . I tried the gdmflexiserver cmd as detailed in custom.conf, i.e. - gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG security/Relax Permissions=2" returned 'OK' so I think that got it, but I'm a little confused by the above error(s). > > > The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. -Rob Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: now my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 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Take care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jan 16 19:31:18 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:31:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <1232134278.28581.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Moon, Have a look at you /etc/exports file. See if the update added an entry of 192.168.0.x and deleted your non-default ip address entries. Barry From moon at smbis.com Fri Jan 16 21:16:12 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:16:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i810 Graphics support seems to not work on K12Linux In-Reply-To: <1232133783.28581.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232133783.28581.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232140573.6220.17.camel@mws.localdomain> No, I never did run the updates on the x86-64. The clients never worked except with vesa settings on either platform, i386 or x86_64. They definitely quit after doing the update last night on the i386 though. 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URL: From moon at smbis.com Fri Jan 16 21:22:11 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:22:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <1232134278.28581.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232134278.28581.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232140931.6220.24.camel@mws.localdomain> I'm currently testing another appl on that hardware right now (I have it set up to use swapped out drives). As I recall though, the export file only has the nfs directory listed (one line) no IP addresses. I noticed on a previous post a few months back that someone else ran into a similar problem on FC9, I didn't see a definite answer to their problem though. Maybe that is it, the update clobbered th export file. Can someone send me an example of theirs so that I can rebuild mine? Thanks for the help here, greatly appreciated... On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 13:31 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Moon, > > Have a look at you /etc/exports file. See if the update added an entry > of 192.168.0.x and deleted your non-default ip address entries. > > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moon at smbis.com Fri Jan 16 21:27:13 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:27:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing In-Reply-To: <20090116T131534Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> References: <20090116T131534Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <1232141233.6220.29.camel@mws.localdomain> Sounds like a memory issue or imminent hardware failure... Or something as simple as a bad keyboard cable. I have had problems like this occur on a KVM box too. On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 13:15 -0800, Steve Krause wrote: > I have an HP Proliant DL-380 server with dual Xeon processors, 6GB > RAM, 150 GB HD in RAID5. I am running EL5 with Samba configured to > authenticate to Active Directory and mount Win home directories. All > patches are current. Randomly, the server locks up with the monitor > going black and the Caps Lock and Scroll lock lights flashing. Any > suggestions on the best way to track down the cause of the crash? > > Steve Krause, CNE > Network Manager > Deer Park School District #414 > Deer Park, WA > (509) 464-5567 > krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Fri Jan 16 23:24:23 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:24:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing References: <20090116T131534Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <20090116T152423Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Thanks for your suggestions. I don't have time today, but will dig up some replacement memory for Tuesday a.m. I will also replace the keyboard/mouse. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 17 01:32:43 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:32:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <1232155963.20806.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Default exports file; /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) Barry From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 17 01:49:10 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:49:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing Message-ID: <1232156950.20806.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Steve, If you can be without this server for a half a day. Pop in the disk 1 install cd of k12ltsp linux. Boot up the server with this, at the command prompt run memtest86.Let this run for at least a couple hours. If you do have memory errors something will definitely show up in this time frame. This will at least pinpoint for sure if your prob is, in fact memory bombing out on you. Did you set up your raid5 with the native raid hardware or via linux/software raid? If you set up raid with linux raid use the mdtools to see if all your arrays are clean and green.. Also replacing the mouse/keyboard,you will have eliminated several possibles. Barry From moon at smbis.com Sat Jan 17 02:16:29 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:16:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <1232155963.20806.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232155963.20806.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232158589.7063.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Barry. I appreciate the help! On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 19:32 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Default exports file; > > > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Jan 17 03:45:07 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:45:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <49715443.4090808@shaw.ca> I reported this same problem under the heading mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) I have posted it twice to this group, and also posted to a number of comp.os.linux groups and been answered by a big gaping silence. My thin client has been a doorstop since late December. Is this really such an obscure problem that nobody has a clue how to even approach it? Just to consolidate the two threads, I'll repost what I know: Brian Fristensky wrote: > After recent upgrades to my server, my DLW thin client will no longer boot. > It seems to load all files by TFTP, but then I get the following messages: > > Red Hat nash version 6.0.52 starting > mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) > nfsmount: error mounting 192.168.1.103:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor > /setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory > etc...... > > I interpret this to mean that the thin client is trying mount /opt/ltsp/i386 > as /sysroot on the thin client. the IP of the server is correct. > As suggested in a posting about another RPC-related problem: > > > /root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > I have tried rebooting the server, and even restarting rpcbind and nfs, with no luck. > > Help would be appreciated. > The /etc/exports file worked before, with the single line /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash) Barry has posted a much larger /etc/exports file, which I presume includes entries needed for running some apps locally on the thin client. For running everything on the server, I know that the above line is all that is required. Or all that was required, before the F9 update. It is possible that some of the lines in Barry's file are necessary, but none of them mentions /setuproot, which is in the error message above. On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 19:32 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Default exports file; > > > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 17 04:34:00 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:34:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> References: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0901162034n4916ebdbh5ce47db5510f5108@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/16 Bob Mead : > From: Rob Owens > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > >> > 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : >> > >>>> >>>> > >> I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the >>>> > >> server >>>> > >> loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via >>>> > >> nfs, >>>> > >> authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan >>>> > >> and >>>> > >> others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc >>>> > >> file is >>>> > >> being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found >>>> > >> that I >>>> > >> need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do >>>> > >> this >>>> >>> >>> > > >> >> > Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: >> > > RelaxPermissions=1 >> > > Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: >> > > CheckDirOwner=false >> > > Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? >> > > updatedb && locate .dmrc >> > > > Dan Young >> > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> > 503-257-1562 >> > > Dan: >> > I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the >> > problem. > I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm >> > stop and gdm > restart - both of which return "GDM already running. >> > Aborting!" so its > probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it >> > found a large number > of .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's >> > /home directory. Mine is > located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy >> > or move it, seemingly no > matter what I do to the permissions or ownership >> > - either as myself or as > root. Any further thoughts on what I might try? Are you doing: gdm restart or: gdm-restart The latter is correct. Cheers, -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 17 13:19:08 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:19:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, I see your problem in your exports file.You have posted this as your exportfs -v: root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) This does NOT show the i386 dir (which I am sure it should). You should get a return of: /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) * * *Notice the i386* I would also put at a minimum these two lines in your exports file. Make sure the variables match the above two lines as well. I have read in the past were some of these will cause a show stopper I bet if you duplicate the above two lines in your /etc/exports file Then do a 'service nfs restart' ,,,& 'service iptables stop' and reboot a couple TC's there is a good chance your TC's will be booting ( providing there are not other behind the scenes snafoos). Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 17 15:43:03 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:43:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> References: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > From: Rob Owens > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > > >> 2009/1/14 Bob Mead : > >> > > > >>>> >> I'm working on a new k12ltsp 5EL installation. So far I have the > >>>server > >>>> >> loaded, its mounting users' /home dirs from a remote machine via > >>>nfs, > >>>> >> authenticating via our remote ldap server (FINALLY!!!, thanks Dan > >>>and > >>>> >> others) and now when I login as a user I get "User's $Home/.dmrc > >>>file is > >>>> >> being ignored (etc)" I googled the answer to this error and found > >>>that I > >>>> >> need to login as me and chmod the permissions to 644. I tried to do > >>>this > >>> > >>> > > >> > >> Try adding this to the [security] stanza of /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > >> > >> RelaxPermissions=1 > >> > >> Might also try this in /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > >> > >> CheckDirOwner=false > >> > >> Do you find any .dmrc files with this command? > >> > >> updatedb && locate .dmrc > >> > >> > >> Dan Young > >> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > >> 503-257-1562 > >> > >> Dan: > >> I tried adding the Relax line and restarting gdm - did not fix the > >problem. > I added the CheckDir line and again restarted gdm (using gdm > >stop and gdm > restart - both of which return "GDM already running. > >Aborting!" so its > probably not working. I ran the update & locate - it > >found a large number > of .dmrc files all except mine being in the user's > >/home directory. Mine is > located in /oldhome and it will not let me copy > >or move it, seemingly no > matter what I do to the permissions or > >ownership - either as myself or as > root. Any further thoughts on what I > >might try? > > > Dan: I tried changing to relaxpermissions=2 and rebooted, no change. Why > does gdm restart (or gdm stop) return "GDM already running. Aborting!" > . I tried the gdmflexiserver cmd as detailed in custom.conf, i.e. - > gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG security/Relax Permissions=2" > returned 'OK' so I think that got it, but I'm a little confused by the > above error(s). > > >> > > > The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an > nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. > You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. > -Rob > > Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: now > my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and > eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and > password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > ~bob > I don't know why that would happen, but... If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as root and change them there. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 17 15:45:18 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing In-Reply-To: <1232156950.20806.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232156950.20806.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090117154518.GB6880@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 07:49:10PM -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Steve, > > If you can be without this server for a half a day. Pop in the disk 1 > install cd of k12ltsp linux. Boot up the server with this, at the > command prompt run memtest86.Let this run for at least a couple hours. Anecdotal evidence: I've had memory problems twice, and both times memtest found the problem in a matter of seconds. It does take hours for the full test to be run, but like I said my problems were always found very quickly. -Rob From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Jan 17 15:46:14 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:46:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4971FD46.7030809@shaw.ca> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Brian, > > I see your problem in your exports file.You have posted this as your > exportfs -v: > > root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > This does NOT show the i386 dir (which I am sure it should). I have tried a number of permutations in /etc/exports: --------- 1 ----------- /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) ---------- 2 ---------------- /opt/ltsp/i386 *(ro,async,no_root_squash) ---------- 3 ------------------------- /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash) ------- All gave the exact same error messages, as described previously. The official K12-Fedora instructions at http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2526788 specifies only 1 line to put in /etc/exports, as shown in the excerpt below: 6. Update NFS /etc/exports file. echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >>/etc/exports I can attest to the fact that this worked for several months, and only stopped working over the Xmas holidays, after I updated my Fedora9 server. I have tested these /etc/exports files with iptables and ip6tables turned off, so it doesn't appear to be a firewall issue. By the way, when I try example 1 from above, I get the following output from exportfs -v: exportfs: No host name given with /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) (ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure,root_squash,no_all_squash,no_subtree_check,secure_locks,acl,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534), suggest *(ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure,root_squash,no_all_squash,no_subtree_check,secure_locks,acl,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534) to avoid warning /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) (ro,wdelay,root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > You should get a return of: > > * > * > *Notice the i386* > > I would also put at a minimum these two lines in your exports file. > Make sure the variables match the above two lines as well. > I have read in the past were some of these will cause a show stopper > > I bet if you duplicate the above two lines in your /etc/exports file > Then do a 'service nfs restart' ,,,& 'service iptables stop' > and reboot a couple TC's > there is a good chance your TC's will be booting > ( providing there are not other behind the scenes snafoos). > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From john.ellson at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 16:08:46 2009 From: john.ellson at comcast.net (John Ellson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> Message-ID: <4972028E.40407@comcast.net> Warren, and others. Thanks for your guidance. Some feedback. First, since there was a suggestion that fc10 might fix some issues and we were expecting to upgrade soon anyway, we decided to go ahead and do it. I have to say that it was not a very satisfactory experience. -Udev or something in fc10 decided to ignore the modprobe aliases and ifcfg-eth* numbering of the interfaces, in particular bridge ports no longer take numbers apparently. So our upstream interface which was eth1 became eth0 and picked up the wrong static configuration, resulting in the server not reappearing on the network. - Yum or rpm, or anaconda, failed to upgrade a number of rpms which were the same version number, but just fc10 instead of fc9. Its as if some version comparison routine isn't seeing 10 > 9 ? This definitely broke cups until I manually upgraded the rpms using --oldpackage. It may have broken other things too as I'm still looking for fc9 rpms that are not in fc10 (difficult because the fc10 distro does contain some fc9 rpms). - The kernel, or xorg, failed to properly configure the resolution of some client monitors that had worked fine in fc9. It would show the login screen at twice the proper size so that we could only see half of it. We discovered that it was related to the use of VGA cables on radeon3200 graphics cards. Switching to DVI cables where possible seems to fix it, but now we have to replace a couple of VGA-only monitors to get back to where we were with fc9. We have a new problem with nautilus and bonobo on the (slower?) i386 clients. The nautilus desktop icons appear to flash up briefly before the desktop appears, then the desktop shows no icons and an error popup: "Nautilus cannot be used now due to an unexpected error from bonobo when attempting top locate the factory. Killing bonobo-acticvation-server and restarting nautilus may help fix the problem." Killing bonobo-activation-server doesn't seem to have any effect, but starting nautilus from a shell woks, except that we really can't expect the elementary kids to do that. Fedora 10 has made client sound worse. We used to hear very quiet sounds, now nothing. In /var/log/messages I see stuff like: Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: polkit.c: Cannot set UID on session object . Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: Called SUID root and real-time/high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. However, we lack the necessary priviliges: Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: We are not in group 'pulse-rt' and PolicyKit refuse to grant us priviliges. Dropping SUID again. Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: For enabling real-time scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit priviliges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt', or increase the RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user. Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting. Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted USB memory sticks are no better. When we plug one in nautilus shows the mount, and the folder can be opened seeing file and directory icons, but the files can't be read. For example, clicking on an image produced an error from eog: "error reading from file, cannot allocate memory" I saw your note indicating that this was handled by "gvfs", OK, so where do I look for gvfs problems? Is it possible that both USB and sound problems are authentication related? Does the upgrade process even attempt to migrate for new authentication requirements? Is there a guide specifically on authentication set up, or better yet, an audit script to suggest what might need changing? Thanks for the pointers to latest howto and the technique for upgrading kernels in the chroot images. Can I suggest that a paragraph on chroot updates, and a link to the larger howto be added to https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide ? I really like that page as a one-stop quickstart for ltsp on Fedora. I haven't had a chance to retry local apps. John Warren Togami wrote: > John Ellson wrote: >> - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good >> ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful >> level? >> In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: >> SOUND=True >> VOLUME=100 >> HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 >> PCM_VOLUME=100 >> FRONT_VOLUME=100 >> There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: >> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html >> should I be trying to apply this? > > I have noticed this as well. I am digging into this sometime soon > myself. > >> >> - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the >> desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is >> shown? Where do I look next? > > I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a > few months now. Could you please try booting your server with the > K12Linux F10 Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? > >> >> >> - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? >> I tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so >> now I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. > > After updating the kernels in the chroot, did you use > "ltsp-update-kernels" outside the chroot to copy the kernel from > inside the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ARCH/? > >> >> >> - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local >> apps? > > Umm... upstream should have this documented, if not please yell at > them. The only thing unique about our local apps installation is yum > instead of apt. > >> >> >> - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: >> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still >> accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to be >> at https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a lot >> missing there. > > Could you please make a list of specific documentation items you > really need rewritten for K12Linux? The old docs are so old that it > would be better to write them from scratch. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- John Ellson From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Jan 17 16:34:17 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:34:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <49715443.4090808@shaw.ca> References: <49715443.4090808@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <49720889.3060505@shaw.ca> The problem appears to be with a recent nfs-utils update. A bug report was posted yesterday to Bugzilla describing precisely the same error. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480420 The only fix so far seems to be to downgrade from nfs-utils-1.1.2-9.x86_64 to nfs-utils-1.1.2-7.x86_64. ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca ============================================ From john.ellson at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 16:45:31 2009 From: john.ellson at comcast.net (John Ellson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:45:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora-9 LTSP - Need help with various issues - probably FAQ In-Reply-To: <4972028E.40407@comcast.net> References: <4965680D.6090804@comcast.net> <4968091A.4000709@togami.com> <4972028E.40407@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49720B2B.2090606@comcast.net> John Ellson wrote: > Warren, and others. > > Thanks for your guidance. > > Some feedback. > > First, since there was a suggestion that fc10 might fix some issues > and we were expecting to upgrade soon anyway, we decided to go ahead > and do it. I have to say that it was not a very satisfactory > experience. > -Udev or something in fc10 decided to ignore the modprobe aliases > and ifcfg-eth* numbering of the interfaces, in particular bridge ports > no longer take numbers apparently. So our upstream interface which > was eth1 became eth0 and picked up the wrong static configuration, > resulting in the server not reappearing on the network. I misspoke. eth1 became eth2, not eth0. "dmesg | grep eth1" shows: e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfd8ff000, irq 20, MAC addr 00:d0:b7:81:c6:46 udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth2 Why did udev do this? Another issue that I forgot to mention is that there are processes left running after a user logs off a client. Is this normal? ellson 3246 0.0 0.0 268756 3236 ? S > - Yum or rpm, or anaconda, failed to upgrade a number of rpms which > were the same version number, but just fc10 instead of fc9. Its as if > some version comparison routine isn't seeing 10 > 9 ? This > definitely broke cups until I manually upgraded the rpms using > --oldpackage. It may have broken other things too as I'm still > looking for fc9 rpms that are not in fc10 (difficult because the fc10 > distro does contain some fc9 rpms). > - The kernel, or xorg, failed to properly configure the resolution > of some client monitors that had worked fine in fc9. It would show > the login screen at twice the proper size so that we could only see > half of it. We discovered that it was related to the use of VGA cables > on radeon3200 graphics cards. Switching to DVI cables where > possible seems to fix it, but now we have to replace a couple of > VGA-only monitors to get back to where we were with fc9. > > We have a new problem with nautilus and bonobo on the (slower?) i386 > clients. The nautilus desktop icons appear to flash up briefly > before the desktop appears, then the desktop shows no icons and an > error popup: > "Nautilus cannot be used now due to an unexpected error from bonobo > when attempting top locate the factory. Killing > bonobo-acticvation-server and restarting nautilus may help fix the > problem." > Killing bonobo-activation-server doesn't seem to have any effect, but > starting nautilus from a shell woks, except that we really can't > expect the elementary kids to do that. > > Fedora 10 has made client sound worse. We used to hear very quiet > sounds, now nothing. In /var/log/messages I see stuff like: > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: polkit.c: Cannot set UID on > session object > . > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: Called SUID root and > real-time/high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. > However, we lack the necessary priviliges: > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: We are not in group > 'pulse-rt' and > PolicyKit refuse to grant us priviliges. Dropping SUID again. > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: For enabling > real-time scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit > priviliges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt', or increase the > RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user. > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: pid.c: Stale PID file, > overwriting. > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: > setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted > Jan 15 18:26:23 sol pulseaudio[2806]: main.c: > setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted > > > USB memory sticks are no better. When we plug one in nautilus shows > the mount, and the folder can be opened seeing file and directory > icons, but the files can't be read. For example, clicking on an image > produced an error from eog: "error reading from file, cannot allocate > memory" > I saw your note indicating that this was handled by "gvfs", OK, so > where do I look for gvfs problems? > > Is it possible that both USB and sound problems are authentication > related? Does the upgrade process even attempt to migrate for new > authentication requirements? Is there a guide specifically on > authentication set up, or better yet, an audit script to suggest what > might need changing? > > Thanks for the pointers to latest howto > > and the technique for upgrading kernels in the chroot images. Can I > suggest that a paragraph on chroot updates, and a link to the larger > howto be added to https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide > ? I really like that page as a one-stop quickstart for ltsp on Fedora. > > > I haven't had a chance to retry local apps. > > > > John > > > > > > > > Warren Togami wrote: >> John Ellson wrote: >>> - Sound "works," if the classroom is silent and you have very good >>> ears! How do I increase the volume on all clients to a useful >>> level? >>> In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf we have: >>> SOUND=True >>> VOLUME=100 >>> HEADPHONE_VOLUME=100 >>> PCM_VOLUME=100 >>> FRONT_VOLUME=100 >>> There was recent discussion, for Ubuntu, at: >>> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-08/msg01267.html >>> should I be trying to apply this? >> >> I have noticed this as well. I am digging into this sometime soon >> myself. >> >>> >>> - If I plugin a USB memory stick in the client, I get an icon on the >>> desktop, which I can open with nautilus, but none of the content is >>> shown? Where do I look next? >> >> I have never seen this personally, although I haven't used F9 for a >> few months now. Could you please try booting your server with the >> K12Linux F10 Live Server and see if the clients behave the same there? >> >>> >>> >>> - Where is the FAQ on how to update the client images properly? >>> I tried using yum in the chroot, but kernel updates didn't work, so >>> now I'm rebuilding the client images from scratch periodically. >> >> After updating the kernels in the chroot, did you use >> "ltsp-update-kernels" outside the chroot to copy the kernel from >> inside the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ARCH/? >> >>> >>> >>> - Where is the step-by-step FAQ on configuring and installing local >>> apps? >> >> Umm... upstream should have this documented, if not please yell at >> them. The only thing unique about our local apps installation is yum >> instead of apt. >> >>> >>> >>> - Are last-modified-in-2004 FAQs like the one at: >>> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html still >>> accurate? I assume that the current documentation is supposed to >>> be at https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/, but there seems to be a >>> lot missing there. >> >> Could you please make a list of specific documentation items you >> really need rewritten for K12Linux? The old docs are so old that it >> would be better to write them from scratch. >> >> Warren Togami >> wtogami at redhat.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -- John Ellson From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 17 17:03:24 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:03:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <1232211804.20524.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, For some reason your exportfs -v command is not returning the anonuid & anongid=65534 as it should. Not sure how this gets generated dynamically at /var/lib/nfs/etab You might try adding this to your export file '(,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534 )' in your /opt/ltsp/i386 or /opt/ltsp whichever you think may work. ,,,then... 'service nfs restart' Then do exportfs -v again and see if the anonuid & anongid=65534 is showing now. I have always used K12LTSP, so I am not very familiar with ltsp built on top of FC#. ( This should not have to be manually added to the export file). I doubt this is going to fix the prob but it's worth a try. This could very well be at least part of the problem of the TC's not booting. I seen a 'vague' related bug to this prob here on _x64 build: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440254 Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Jan 17 19:01:27 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49722B07.7060900@scheie.homedns.org> With NFS exports, unlike Windows shares, any directory beneath exported directory can be mounted on another machine. IOW, if /opt/ltsp is exported, the client machine can mount, say, /opt/ltsp/i386 under whatever mountpoint he chooses. Or the client could mount /opt/ltsp/i386/etc under the desired mountpoint. You are not limited to only mounting at the directory exported. That aside, try booting a fat client on your thin client network and see if you can manually mount what the server is exporting. If you can, then at least you know NFS is working correctly. If you can't, then at least you've narrowed the scope of the problem. Peter Barry R Cisna wrote: > Brian, > > I see your problem in your exports file.You have posted this as your > exportfs -v: > > root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > This does NOT show the i386 dir (which I am sure it should). > > You should get a return of: > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > * > * > *Notice the i386* > > I would also put at a minimum these two lines in your exports file. > Make sure the variables match the above two lines as well. > I have read in the past were some of these will cause a show stopper > > I bet if you duplicate the above two lines in your /etc/exports file > Then do a 'service nfs restart' ,,,& 'service iptables stop' > and reboot a couple TC's > there is a good chance your TC's will be booting > ( providing there are not other behind the scenes snafoos). > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wtogami at redhat.com Sun Jan 18 06:37:23 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:37:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error In-Reply-To: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4972CE23.7090508@redhat.com> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Brian, > > I see your problem in your exports file.You have posted this as your > exportfs -v: > > root#/usr/sbin/exportfs -v > /opt/ltsp (ro,async,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) > > This does NOT show the i386 dir (which I am sure it should). > > You should get a return of: > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) Where the heck did the swapfiles line come from? This isn't used by K12Linux. Also, you don't need to specify any IP address and specific arch diretory. The default recommended by documentation should work fine for anybody: /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash) Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From wtogami at redhat.com Sun Jan 18 07:36:16 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:36:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IMPORTANT: Do not upgrade nfs-utils on F-9 or F-10 In-Reply-To: <4972CE23.7090508@redhat.com> References: <1232198348.9025.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4972CE23.7090508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4972DBF0.6080602@redhat.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480420 It seems that the latest nfs-utils for F-9 and F-10 pushed around January 14th broke NFS server with clients using nash NFS root mounts. http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/nfs-utils/1.1.2/7.fc9/ Fedora 9 nfs-utils http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/nfs-utils/1.1.4/4.fc10/ Fedora 10 nfs-utils Downgrade your LTSP server to these versions and restart the nfs service if you already installed updates. I am trying to get this resolved in the Fedora repos ASAP. I will inform these lists when it is safe to upgrade nfs-utils again. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jan 18 14:39:07 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:39:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Error Message-ID: <1232289547.14568.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Warren, The /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles line is on a default install of EL5 K12LTSP. Not an ltsp 'on top of FC#'. This line has been present since about version #FC1 or FC2 of K12LTSP,,:) May want to research this. Thanks, Barry From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Jan 19 15:29:00 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: IMPORTANT: Do not upgrade nfs-utils on F-9 or F-10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49749C3C.2020304@redhat.com> Stephen Crampton wrote: > Thanks for the information. To downgrade a package, what is the safest > method? > > Should I do the following? > > rpm --force -Uvh nfs-utils-1.1.4-4.fc10 > There is never any legitimate reason to use --force. You want --oldpackage Warren From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 05:32:38 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:02:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing In-Reply-To: <20090117154518.GB6880@junker.owens.net> References: <1232156950.20806.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090117154518.GB6880@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <774593a20901192132p414e71bbu7abbfbc28ff78992@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Rob Owens : > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 07:49:10PM -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: >> Steve, >> >> If you can be without this server for a half a day. Pop in the disk 1 >> install cd of k12ltsp linux. Boot up the server with this, at the >> command prompt run memtest86.Let this run for at least a couple hours. > > Anecdotal evidence: I've had memory problems twice, and both times memtest found the problem in a matter of seconds. It does take hours for the full test to be run, but like I said my problems were always found very quickly. Coincidently yesterday I had a server freeze and thereafter no reboot there after. After opening the server and dusting off the innards replugging the RAM modules everything is back to normal. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Tue Jan 20 15:29:22 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:29:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing References: <1232156950.20806.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090120T072922Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu >>> Barry R Cisna 1/16/09 5:49:10 PM >>> >Steve, > >If you can be without this server for a half a day. Pop in the disk 1 >install cd of k12ltsp linux. Boot up the server with this, at the >command prompt run memtest86.Let this run for at least a couple hours. >If you do have memory errors something will definitely show up in this >time frame. This will at least pinpoint for sure if your prob is, in >fact memory bombing out on you. >Did you set up your raid5 with the native raid hardware or via >linux/software raid? If you set up raid with linux raid use the mdtools >to see if all your arrays are clean and green.. >Also replacing the mouse/keyboard,you will have eliminated several >possibles. > >Barry Thanks Barry, I plan to stop by the building on my way home this afternoon and replace the keyboard/mouse and start a memtest86 to run the night. That should reveal any issue. Another thought. I have the kernel-PAE installed with 6G of RAM. The server still appears to only see 4G even though the server counts all 6G at startup. Could there be an issue addressing the extra RAM? Maybe I should drop the RAM back to 4G? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you set up raid with linux raid use the mdtools >>to see if all your arrays are clean and green.. >>Also replacing the mouse/keyboard,you will have eliminated several >>possibles. >> >>Barry > >Thanks Barry, > >I plan to stop by the building on my way home this afternoon and replace the keyboard/mouse and start a memtest86 to run the night. That should >reveal any issue. Another thought. I have the kernel-PAE installed with 6G of RAM. The server still appears to only see 4G even though the server >counts all 6G at startup. Could there be an issue addressing the extra RAM? Maybe I should drop the RAM back to 4G? Oops, I guess I did not install the PAE kernel on this server. Still has 6G installed though. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Tue Jan 20 17:59:41 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:59:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> References: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <4976110D.7010007@lane.k12.or.us> I did remove the no_root_squash option from my /etc/exports file and restarted the nfs daemons (portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in that order). Just to be sure, I restarted the k12ltsp server, and I get the same results - i.e.- after I enter my user name and password the login screen goes blank and eventually returns to the login screen again asking for my username. ??? So I've conquered the .dmrc problem, got the ltsp box (apparently) talking to the ldap server, successfully remote mounting users /home directories via nfs and yet I still cannot login. Does anyone have any further ideas on how to make this work? I'm still thinking along the lines of somehow tracking the authentication requests to the ldap server to see if I am getting that far. And if I am, how are those requests being handled by the ldap server? I'm starting to get anxious about the amount of troubles I am having getting this to work. Perhaps last weeks posts re: the complexity of linux and ltsp REALLY are worth paying some attention to... Thanks in advance for any help!! ~bob Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > >> From: Rob Owens >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >> >> The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an >> nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. >> You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. >> -Rob >> >> Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: now >> my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and >> eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and >> password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> ~bob >> >> > I don't know why that would happen, but... > > If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as root and change them there. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am greeted with this: Error That directory could not be mounted from the server OK mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) I have copied the iso to the exported directory: cp ~jthomas/Download/K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-64bit-dvd.iso /mnt/iso/ Here's my /etc/exports # cat /etc/exports /mnt/iso *(ro,no_root_squash) I restarted the nfs server after creating /etc/exports, and everything there looks OK: # service nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: [ OK ] When I try to mount from the installtion scripts, /var/log/messages tells me this: Jan 20 13:04:17 spiff mountd[20920]: connect from 192.168.1.123 to proc (1) in mountd: request from unauthorized host Any help here would be very much appreciated! -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Tue Jan 20 21:30:21 2009 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:30:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <49761261.9040000@bittware.com> Message-ID: <29448284.8711232487021597.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> I don't think it works to export the ISO as a file. I think you have to mount the ISO, or the CD, or copy all the files, and export the actual files from the ISO to do an NFS install. But, that's not what's preventing the NFS mount. You've tested mounting this export from other NFS clients. Can you list the contents of the export from a successfully connected NFS client? For example: # mount spiff:/mnt/iso /mnt # ls -al /mnt What's that get? And when you do your mount from the installer, what information are you providing in the NFS dialog? David L. Willson Network Engineer MCT, MCSE, Linux+ tel://720.333.LANS ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.w. thomas" To: "K12OSN" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:05:21 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install I'm trying to do an NFS install of the I've followed the instructions for setting up the nfs server as per http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-steps-network-installs-x86.html And then proceeded to the instructions for the install at http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-begininstall-nfs-x86.html I can mount the NFS export from another Linux box, so I am convinced the NFS server is correctly configured. When I get to the prompt to enter the IP address of the NFS server and the mount point, I enter the correct (I'm sure) info, and then hit enter. I am greeted with this: Error That directory could not be mounted from the server OK mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) I have copied the iso to the exported directory: cp ~jthomas/Download/K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-64bit-dvd.iso /mnt/iso/ Here's my /etc/exports # cat /etc/exports /mnt/iso *(ro,no_root_squash) I restarted the nfs server after creating /etc/exports, and everything there looks OK: # service nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: [ OK ] When I try to mount from the installtion scripts, /var/log/messages tells me this: Jan 20 13:04:17 spiff mountd[20920]: connect from 192.168.1.123 to proc (1) in mountd: request from unauthorized host Any help here would be very much appreciated! -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Jan 20 21:28:44 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:28:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install Message-ID: <1232486924.20794.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jim, You didn't mention what Linux distro you are running the nfs server on? If it is a default install of EL5 try changing your nfs syntax to nfs3/IPv4. Something like this; /iso 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,no_root_squash) ,,then 'service nfs restart' Then try and do your nfs install. Also make sure your nfs server is not on a different subnet that the actual server you are wanting to install onto,is. You can run into troubles going across a router(sometimes) with nfs installs. Let us know your progress. Barry From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Tue Jan 20 21:48:32 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:48:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> References: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <497646B0.6070801@lane.k12.or.us> I did remove the no_root_squash option from my /etc/exports file and restarted the nfs daemons (portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in that order). Just to be sure, I restarted the k12ltsp server, and I get the same results - i.e.- after I enter my user name and password the login screen goes blank and eventually returns to the login screen again asking for my username. ??? So I've conquered the .dmrc problem, got the ltsp box (apparently) talking to the ldap server, successfully remote mounting users /home directories via nfs and yet I still cannot login. Does anyone have any further ideas on how to make this work? I'm still thinking along the lines of somehow tracking the authentication requests to the ldap server to see if I am getting that far. And if I am, how are those requests being handled by the ldap server? I'm starting to get anxious about the amount of troubles I am having getting this to work. Perhaps last week's posts re: the complexity of linux and ltsp REALLY are worth paying some attention to... Thanks in advance for any help!! ~bob Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > >> From: Rob Owens >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >> >> The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an >> nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. >> You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. >> -Rob >> >> Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: now >> my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and >> eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and >> password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> ~bob >> >> > I don't know why that would happen, but... > > If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as root and change them there. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jthomas at bittware.com Tue Jan 20 22:26:02 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:26:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <1232486924.20794.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232486924.20794.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49764F7A.7090206@bittware.com> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Jim, > > You didn't mention what Linux distro you are running the nfs server > on? Fedora 10. > If it is a default install of EL5 try changing your nfs syntax to > nfs3/IPv4. Something like this; /iso > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,no_root_squash) > > ,,then 'service nfs restart' > > Then try and do your nfs install. Also make sure your nfs server is > not on a different subnet that the actual server you are wanting to > install onto,is. You can run into troubles going across a > router(sometimes) with nfs installs. Let us know your progress. The install-machine was indeed on the same network as the nfs server. Indeed, they were on the same switch. David L. Willson wrote: > I don't think it works to export the ISO as a file. I think you have > to mount the ISO, or the CD, or copy all the files, and export the > actual files from the ISO to do an NFS install. But, that's not > what's preventing the NFS mount. The Centos documentation says it should work. I tried it the other way too - two ways in fact. I first mounted the .iso file to /mnt/iso. When I did that, I was able to mount the nfs export with a third linux box (Fedora 8, I believe). It was able to list the contents of the iso, showing the Centos and images directories (et al) as well as the RELEASE-NOTES*.html files. When that didn't work, I mounted the iso elsewhere and copied everything to /mnt/iso. Same results. > > You've tested mounting this export from other NFS clients. Can you > list the contents of the export from a successfully connected NFS > client? For example: # mount spiff:/mnt/iso /mnt # ls -al /mnt > > What's that get? > > And when you do your mount from the installer, what information are > you providing in the NFS dialog? For the ip address, I gave it the ip address of the nfs server. For the mount point, I told it "/mnt/iso". I also tried "/mnt/iso/" with the trailing slash. Neither of these included the quotes. I'm at home right now, and my new server is at the office. I do have my nfs server (which is my laptop) with me right now, and I have two other Linux machines here in the house at my disposal. Unfortunately, neither of these other two linux boxes are 64-bit machines. :-( So... I'll try again tomorrow. -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. From aahodson at episd.org Tue Jan 20 23:04:02 2009 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:04:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: NeoWare e140 Thin Client choices Message-ID: <4975F5DD.61E2.006C.0@episd.org> To the talented gurus, web search masters and colleagues empowered by the positive and collaborative message of the new administration, what can I do with a big number of NeoWare e140 Thin Clients and no VMWare VDI servers? Is a K12LTSP type of configuration possible? Any suggestions will be appreciated! Cheers Alan A Hodson MEd. Technology Services - EPISD oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-772-4016 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ Open Source Grokker http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From wtogami at redhat.com Tue Jan 20 23:06:51 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:06:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update: Broken NFS server in F-9 and F-10 Message-ID: <4976590B.1080101@redhat.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480420#c17 I wrote a detailed analysis of what happened here. We finally came to agreement today about how to fix it. Hopefully we will have test packages tomorrow and be able to push it to Fedora updates quickly. Meanwhile, here are the current recommendations to workaround this issue. 1) Switch to NBD boot instead of NFS. It is a little more work, but your thin clients will boot faster. https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NBDRootConfiguration 2) Remove the tcpwrappers package (if you don't need quotas this might be OK) 3) Downgrade to the previous version of nfs-utils: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/nfs-utils/1.1.2/7.fc9/ http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/nfs-utils/1.1.4/4.fc10/ Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From aahodson at episd.org Tue Jan 20 23:15:11 2009 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:15:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NeoWare Thin Clients correction Message-ID: <4975F87A.61E2.006C.0@episd.org> Sorry folks - the model available is an HP c50 NeoWare Thin Client (Manufacturer Part# KF252AA#ABA) Less to work with... cheers Alan A Hodson MEd. Technology Services - EPISD oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-772-4016 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ Open Source Grokker http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Tue Jan 20 23:24:37 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:24:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login In-Reply-To: <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> References: <4970D759.10401@lane.k12.or.us> <20090117154302.GA6880@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <49765D35.8080803@lane.k12.or.us> I did remove the no_root_squash option from my /etc/exports file and restarted the nfs daemons (portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in that order). Just to be sure, I restarted the k12ltsp server, and I get the same results - i.e.- after I enter my user name and password the login screen goes blank and eventually returns to the login screen again asking for my username. ??? So I've conquered the .dmrc problem, got the ltsp box (apparently) talking to the ldap server, successfully remote mounting users /home directories via nfs and yet I still cannot login. Does anyone have any further ideas on how to make this work? I'm still thinking along the lines of somehow tracking the authentication requests to the ldap server to see if I am getting that far. And if I am, how are those requests being handled by the ldap server? I'm starting to get anxious about the amount of troubles I am having getting this to work. Perhaps last week's posts re: the complexity of linux and ltsp REALLY are worth paying some attention to... Thanks in advance for any help!! ~bob Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > >> From: Rob Owens >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >> >> The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on an >> nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. >> You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. >> -Rob >> >> Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: now >> my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and >> eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and >> password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> ~bob >> >> > I don't know why that would happen, but... > > If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as root and change them there. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fastxr at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 23:32:16 2009 From: fastxr at gmail.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:32:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NeoWare Thin Clients correction In-Reply-To: <4975F87A.61E2.006C.0@episd.org> References: <4975F87A.61E2.006C.0@episd.org> Message-ID: <1232494336.19501.18.camel@vince-desktop> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 16:15 -0700, Alan Hodson wrote: > Sorry folks - the model available is an HP c50 NeoWare Thin Client (Manufacturer Part# KF252AA#ABA) > Less to work with... > cheers They are a bit light duty. The problem is the video processing is really slow. I have a couple of neoware boxes that I have ltsp boot and I use them for usb printservers. They are cheaper and more reliable than buying ethernet to usb adapters. I have not run accross any that will not pxe boot. The CMOS on some of them comes with a factory password. It is DOGBITES all in upper case to unlock. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 21 02:09:46 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:09:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install Message-ID: <1232503786.27277.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jim, Just to narrow things down a little. I'm wondering if the DVD.iso and or the _x64 is in fact different than the cd set of EL5, in regards to NFS being able to see "inside" the .iso? I've always done EL5 x86 installs of EL5 via nfs,never loop mounted them. This make installs pretty simple and clean.But I do know with the FC8-9-10 *live* dvd you do have to (iso9660) loop mount the dvd.iso as you have mentioned then nfs export that dir. Another little quirk with the FC# Live DVD you have to put a leading / in the nfs dir path in anaconda versus not previously. I don't know if this may be your prob as well. I'm sure you've tried about every combination of slashes here and there trying to get things to work:-) Keep pluggin away. Barry From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Jan 21 03:29:46 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:29:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <29448284.8711232487021597.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> References: <29448284.8711232487021597.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <497696AA.7050201@scheie.homedns.org> For doing installs via NFS, it is not necessary to mount the ISOs nor copy all the files within the ISOs to the exported directory. It is only necessary to export the directory containing the ISO files. This only applies to installing via NFS. If the server-to-be is installed via http or ftp, then all the files contained in the ISOs must be copied to the directory served by the http or ftp server. Another thing to try would be booting a live CD or USB on the server and seeing if you can mount the share(s) from the NFS server. Peter David L. Willson wrote: > I don't think it works to export the ISO as a file. I think you have to mount the ISO, or the CD, or copy all the files, and export the actual files from the ISO to do an NFS install. But, that's not what's preventing the NFS mount. > > You've tested mounting this export from other NFS clients. Can you list the contents of the export from a successfully connected NFS client? > For example: > # mount spiff:/mnt/iso /mnt > # ls -al /mnt > > What's that get? > > And when you do your mount from the installer, what information are you providing in the NFS dialog? > > David L. Willson > Network Engineer > MCT, MCSE, Linux+ > tel://720.333.LANS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "j.w. thomas" > To: "K12OSN" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:05:21 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install > > I'm trying to do an NFS install of the > > I've followed the instructions for setting up the nfs server as per > http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-steps-network-installs-x86.html > And then proceeded to the instructions for the install at > http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-begininstall-nfs-x86.html > > I can mount the NFS export from another Linux box, so I am convinced the > NFS server is correctly configured. When I get to the prompt to enter > the IP address of the NFS server and the mount point, I enter the > correct (I'm sure) info, and then hit enter. I am greeted with this: > > Error > That directory could not be > mounted from the server > OK > > mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error) > > I have copied the iso to the exported directory: > > cp ~jthomas/Download/K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-64bit-dvd.iso /mnt/iso/ > > Here's my /etc/exports > # cat /etc/exports > /mnt/iso *(ro,no_root_squash) > > I restarted the nfs server after creating /etc/exports, and everything > there looks OK: > > # service nfs restart > Shutting down NFS mountd: [ OK ] > Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] > Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] > Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] > Starting NFS services: [ OK ] > Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] > Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] > Starting NFS mountd: [ OK ] > > When I try to mount from the installtion scripts, /var/log/messages > tells me this: > > Jan 20 13:04:17 spiff mountd[20920]: connect from 192.168.1.123 to proc > (1) in mountd: request from unauthorized host > > Any help here would be very much appreciated! > From jthomas at bittware.com Wed Jan 21 03:50:33 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:50:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <1232503786.27277.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232503786.27277.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49769B89.2070004@bittware.com> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Jim, > > Just to narrow things down a little. I'm wondering if the DVD.iso and > or the _x64 is in fact different than the cd set of EL5, in regards to > NFS being able to see "inside" the .iso? I've always done EL5 x86 > installs of EL5 via nfs,never loop mounted them. This make installs > pretty simple and clean.But I do know with the FC8-9-10 *live* dvd you > do have to (iso9660) loop mount the dvd.iso as you have mentioned then > nfs export that dir. Another little quirk with the FC# Live DVD you have > to put a leading / in the nfs dir path in anaconda versus not > previously. I don't know if this may be your prob as well. I'm sure > you've tried about every combination of slashes here and there trying to > get things to work:-) > Keep pluggin away. > > Barry I didn't think to try it without the leading slash. I'll try that tomorrow. -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. From jthomas at bittware.com Wed Jan 21 03:57:45 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:57:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <497696AA.7050201@scheie.homedns.org> References: <29448284.8711232487021597.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> <497696AA.7050201@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <49769D39.9000304@bittware.com> Peter Scheie wrote: > For doing installs via NFS, it is not necessary to mount the ISOs nor > copy all the files within the ISOs to the exported directory. It is > only necessary to export the directory containing the ISO files. This > only applies to installing via NFS. If the server-to-be is installed > via http or ftp, then all the files contained in the ISOs must be copied > to the directory served by the http or ftp server. > > Another thing to try would be booting a live CD or USB on the server and > seeing if you can mount the share(s) from the NFS server. > > Peter That would be an easy thing to try. This server doesn't have an optical drive, so I borrowed an external USB DVD drive. I wasn't sure it would boot over USB, so I did a "test install" of F10 on it. In other words, I have a functional Fedora 10 on my new server's HD right now, and I was getting ready to overwrite with K12 EL5. Should be easy enough to do a mount from that. While we're on that topic... is there a way to run anaconda from a functional Linux install without booting from external media? That would have saved me from having to burn boot.iso to a disc, but that's not the only reason I ask. I have an old laptop kicking around, and it will no longer boot from its CD drive. It's pretty much stuck with an old, old Fedora Core... maybe 3, or maybe even older. It's old enough to not have PXE in the BIOS, or even an integrate NIC (PCMCIA ether). I would love to squeeze a little more life out of it. Just not with FC3. -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Jan 21 12:30:47 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:30:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install Message-ID: <1232541047.6642.4.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Jim, Another thing to consider. Knowing your nfs server is FC10 and (if) you have updated it via yum,the known snaffoo with the nfs-utils could be causing your prob. Have a look here,and have a look at your nfs-utils rpm version. This would verify if this is in fact your prob: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2009-January/msg00149.html Take Care, Barry Cisna From jthomas at bittware.com Wed Jan 21 13:55:32 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:55:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Install In-Reply-To: <1232541047.6642.4.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1232541047.6642.4.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <49772954.3080001@bittware.com> Barry Cisna wrote: > Jim, > > Another thing to consider. Knowing your nfs server is FC10 and (if) you > have updated it via yum,the known snaffoo with the nfs-utils could be > causing your prob. > Have a look here,and have a look at your nfs-utils rpm version. This > would verify if this is in fact your prob: > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2009-January/msg00149.html > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna EUREKA! That was it! With the newest nfs-utils, my server (running F10) was unable to mount the nfs export. I downgraded, and was able to mount. The installation is now running. Thanks everyone for getting me over this rough spot! -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 Hope springs occasionally. From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 21 16:28:43 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:28:43 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] Message-ID: <49774D3B.2080900@lane.k12.or.us> I tried to send this three times yesterday, never did see it come up on the list. Any ideas why not? -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Bob Mead Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:24:37 -0800 Size: 4024 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 21 16:47:10 2009 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:47:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? Message-ID: I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 21 16:37:04 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:37:04 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <49774D3B.2080900@lane.k12.or.us> References: <49774D3B.2080900@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0901210837w70c8f5dnc83e91caf54b9f45@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, I've seen all the messages on the list. I think nobody had a quick answer. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 2009/1/21 Bob Mead : > I tried to send this three times yesterday, never did see it come up on the > list. Any ideas why not? > > I did remove the no_root_squash option from my /etc/exports file and > restarted the nfs daemons (portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in > that order). Just to be sure, I restarted the k12ltsp server, and I get > the same results - i.e.- after I enter my user name and password the > login screen goes blank and eventually returns to the login screen again > asking for my username. ??? > > So I've conquered the .dmrc problem, got the ltsp box (apparently) > talking to the ldap server, successfully remote mounting users /home > directories via nfs and yet I still cannot login. > > Does anyone have any further ideas on how to make this work? I'm still > thinking along the lines of somehow tracking the authentication requests > to the ldap server to see if I am getting that far. And if I am, how are > those requests being handled by the ldap server? > > I'm starting to get anxious about the amount of troubles I am having > getting this to work. Perhaps last week's posts re: the complexity of > linux and ltsp REALLY are worth paying some attention to... > > Thanks in advance for any help!! > ~bob > > Rob Owens wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >> >>> >>> From: Rob Owens >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login >>> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >>> >>> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >>> The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on >>> an nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. >>> You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. -Rob >>> >>> Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: >>> now my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and >>> eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and >>> password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>> ~bob >>> >>> >> >> I don't know why that would happen, but... >> >> If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think >> you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, >> then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that >> option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and >> restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note >> that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change >> permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as >> root and change them there. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 21 17:14:01 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:14:01 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <994441ae0901210837w70c8f5dnc83e91caf54b9f45@mail.gmail.com> References: <49774D3B.2080900@lane.k12.or.us> <994441ae0901210837w70c8f5dnc83e91caf54b9f45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497757D9.6070802@lane.k12.or.us> OK, it seems that I had my preference set to not receive a copy of my own posts so I didn't see them at all. Anyone have any ideas today? I'm seriously considering scrapping the whole deal and going back to work on the *working* fc6 server instead. I know its horribly outdated etc, but it is working whereas this new setup - while its the latest (greatest???) - doesn't. It seems implausible that I cannot take a working config from the old fc6 box and make it work on the 'new and improved' Centos5EL server. While I inherited the fc6 box already working - it does work, so someone was able to configure it to get that way. Despite the collective intelligence and experience of the entire list (and others I've posted this to), it doesn't seem that there *is* any answer to make this work. Is this where we are headed towards with Linux in general and LTSP specifically? Its so advanced that it simply cannot be configured to work in the manner I choose? Is my setup so unique that no one has encountered it before? Dan Young wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I've seen all the messages on the list. I think nobody had a quick answer. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > > > 2009/1/21 Bob Mead : > >> I tried to send this three times yesterday, never did see it come up on the >> list. Any ideas why not? >> >> I did remove the no_root_squash option from my /etc/exports file and >> restarted the nfs daemons (portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in >> that order). Just to be sure, I restarted the k12ltsp server, and I get >> the same results - i.e.- after I enter my user name and password the >> login screen goes blank and eventually returns to the login screen again >> asking for my username. ??? >> >> So I've conquered the .dmrc problem, got the ltsp box (apparently) >> talking to the ldap server, successfully remote mounting users /home >> directories via nfs and yet I still cannot login. >> >> Does anyone have any further ideas on how to make this work? I'm still >> thinking along the lines of somehow tracking the authentication requests >> to the ldap server to see if I am getting that far. And if I am, how are >> those requests being handled by the ldap server? >> >> I'm starting to get anxious about the amount of troubles I am having >> getting this to work. Perhaps last week's posts re: the complexity of >> linux and ltsp REALLY are worth paying some attention to... >> >> Thanks in advance for any help!! >> ~bob >> >> Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Rob Owens >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12ltsp login >>>> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >>>> >>>> Message-ID: <20090115000245.GJ18672 at junker.owens.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: >>>> The root user may not be allowed to change permissions of the files on >>>> an nfs-mounted /home directory. NFS defaults to the "root_squash" option. >>>> You could try exporting /home with the "no_root_squash" option. -Rob >>>> >>>> Thanks Rob, that fixed it! Unfortunately it brought up another problem: >>>> now my login screen goes blank after I enter my username and password and >>>> eventually returns to start all over again, i.e.- asking for username and >>>> password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>>> ~bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I don't know why that would happen, but... >>> >>> If you have completed all the permissions/ownership changes that you think >>> you need, and you don't need to create users' home directories on login, >>> then you may no longer need the "no_root_squash" option. I don't think that >>> option is required for "normal" LTSP usage. Try removing that option and >>> restarting the nfs server, then see if your server behaves normally. Note >>> that in the future instead of setting the "no_root_squash" option to change >>> permissions on the nfs mounted files, you could ssh into the nfs server as >>> root and change them there. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cc423ef0901211027p67c95907y3a40e426132f6de8@mail.gmail.com> High David, We recently tested the acer ones as thin clients on Ubuntu, and I also wiped a windows model to install ubuntu on it... anyway, if you wanna see some notes they are here: http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-and-collaboarted-netbooks-not-just-xos kind Regards, David Van Assche On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM, David Trask wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program >>http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pxeboot at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 21:03:49 2009 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:03:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a thought: How about using dd to dump the disk image to a USB key and network drive? Example, dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/media/acer-linpus.img You could also boot CloneZilla off a USB Key or external CD ROM drive then use CloneZilla to backup the hard drive. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Trask wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 21:08:34 2009 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:08:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49778ED2.8040505@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I have 45 if you'd like one :-) I've just got 46 for College that have Linpus on so I only need a few as spares Let me know you're address off list if you like & I'll get one in the post tomorrow. Brian David Trask wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > >> http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm >> > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rowens at ptd.net Wed Jan 21 22:52:10 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:52:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090121225210.GM1174@junker.owens.net> This page has a link to download the aspire one image. http://eeepc.itrunsonlinux.com/the-news/249-acer-aspire-one-linpus-linux-lite-recovery-dvd-online I've also read that Sidux works on the aspire one. It supposedly supports all the hardware, whereas Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't support either sound or the webcam (I can't remember which). -Rob On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47:10AM -0500, David Trask wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jan 22 00:04:07 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:04:07 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <1232561647.8129.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1232561647.8129.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4977B7F7.9020008@lane.k12.or.us> Turns out that my username and pwd do not work, but everyone else's does. Poor testing regimen on my part. That said, I cannot figure out what is wrong with my profile. It has the same permissions as everyone else. It works on all other servers I log into. Just not *this one*. Given that I had the previous problem with my .dmrc file, I can see that there is an ongoing problem here that I did not solve by fixing the .dmrc issue. I tried tailing /var/log/messages on the ldap server to see what happens when I login vs. anyone else. I copied the very first message of successive logins as user and then as . As you can see below, the user has an additional filter (&(objectClass=posixAccount) that I do not: Jan 21 15:41:48 slapd[4228]: conn=121233 op=1 SRCH base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=))" Jan 21 15:37:03 slapd[5920]: conn=120122 op=1 SRCH base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 filter="(uid=)" The other messages that follow all have the "extra" filter for either login uid. I would like to tell you the version of openldap we run, but I have been unsuccessful in finding out how to do this. The el5 install is x86. Anyone have a thought on how to check out my profile and why its failing? Or how to tell the version of ldap? Thanks, ~bob Barry Cisna wrote: > Bob, > > try the following. create a new user johnsmith. then; > ' chmod -c -R 777 /home/johnsmith ' > see if johnsmith can login. > if johnsmith can not login look in /messages log and see what the exact > error is. > Also I may haved missed? what version is the ldap server and is your el5 > x86 or _x64? > let us know your finding,please. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rowens at ptd.net Thu Jan 22 01:38:55 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <4977B7F7.9020008@lane.k12.or.us> References: <1232561647.8129.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4977B7F7.9020008@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20090122013855.GQ1174@junker.owens.net> Do you have a local user and an LDAP user with the same name? If so, the local user and the LDAP user will have different UID's. What *could* happen is that you authenticate to the LDAP server as "bob" with UID 10001, but your home directory is owned by "bob" with UID 1001 (different UID). *Maybe* that's what's causing your problems. -Rob On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 04:04:07PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > Turns out that my username and pwd do not work, but everyone else's > does. Poor testing regimen on my part. That said, I cannot figure out > what is wrong with my profile. It has the same permissions as everyone > else. It works on all other servers I log into. Just not *this one*. > Given that I had the previous problem with my .dmrc file, I can see that > there is an ongoing problem here that I did not solve by fixing the > .dmrc issue. > > I tried tailing /var/log/messages on the ldap server to see what happens > when I login vs. anyone else. I copied the very first message of > successive logins as user and then as . As you can see > below, the user has an additional filter > (&(objectClass=posixAccount) that I do not: > > Jan 21 15:41:48 slapd[4228]: conn=121233 op=1 SRCH > base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 > filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=))" > > Jan 21 15:37:03 slapd[5920]: conn=120122 op=1 SRCH > base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 filter="(uid=)" > > The other messages that follow all have the "extra" filter for either > login uid. > > I would like to tell you the version of openldap we run, but I have been > unsuccessful in finding out how to do this. The el5 install is x86. > > Anyone have a thought on how to check out my profile and why its > failing? Or how to tell the version of ldap? > > Thanks, > ~bob > > Barry Cisna wrote: > >Bob, > > > >try the following. create a new user johnsmith. then; > >' chmod -c -R 777 /home/johnsmith ' > >see if johnsmith can login. > >if johnsmith can not login look in /messages log and see what the exact > >error is. > >Also I may haved missed? what version is the ldap server and is your el5 > >x86 or _x64? > >let us know your finding,please. > > > >Take Care, > >Barry Cisna > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > begin:vcard > fn:Bob Mead > n:Mead;Bob > org:South Lane School District;Technology Services Center > email;internet:bmead at lane.k12.or.us > title:Network Specialist > tel;work:541.762.1124 > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Thu Jan 22 02:02:34 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:02:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing Message-ID: <4977633A020000FC00009FA4@dpsd-email-2.deerpark.wednet.edu> Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu >>> Rob Owens 01/17/09 7:45 AM >>> >On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 07:49:10PM -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: >> Steve, >> >> If you can be without this server for a half a day. Pop in the disk 1 >> install cd of k12ltsp linux. Boot up the server with this, at the >> command prompt run memtest86.Let this run for at least a couple hours. >Anecdotal evidence: I've had memory problems twice, and both times memtest found the problem in a matter of seconds. >It does take hours for the full test to be run, but like I said my problems were always found very quickly. > >-Rob I removed the extra 2G of RAM and ran the memtest86 test overnight. No errors. I am going to monitor for now and see if removing the RAM helps. Thanks for all the input. From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jan 23 16:58:33 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <20090122013855.GQ1174@junker.owens.net> References: <1232561647.8129.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4977B7F7.9020008@lane.k12.or.us> <20090122013855.GQ1174@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <4979F739.8010008@lane.k12.or.us> Thanks Rob for the food for thought. In checking out my profile(s) there was indeed a local user and an ldap user with the same username. It further turns out that somewhere in all the failed attempts to make this work, my ldap profile was compromised with strange files and/or permissions on those files. Once I nuked or chmod'd/chown'd those files , I can login as me. :-) I'm going to attempt to document what I've done to make this work - especially since I need to recreate this setup for another lab. Once this finished, I will try to post it to the wiki. ~bob Rob Owens wrote: > Do you have a local user and an LDAP user with the same name? If so, the local user and the LDAP user will have different UID's. What *could* happen is that you authenticate to the LDAP server as "bob" with UID 10001, but your home directory is owned by "bob" with UID 1001 (different UID). *Maybe* that's what's causing your problems. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 04:04:07PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > >> Turns out that my username and pwd do not work, but everyone else's >> does. Poor testing regimen on my part. That said, I cannot figure out >> what is wrong with my profile. It has the same permissions as everyone >> else. It works on all other servers I log into. Just not *this one*. >> Given that I had the previous problem with my .dmrc file, I can see that >> there is an ongoing problem here that I did not solve by fixing the >> .dmrc issue. >> >> I tried tailing /var/log/messages on the ldap server to see what happens >> when I login vs. anyone else. I copied the very first message of >> successive logins as user and then as . As you can see >> below, the user has an additional filter >> (&(objectClass=posixAccount) that I do not: >> >> Jan 21 15:41:48 slapd[4228]: conn=121233 op=1 SRCH >> base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 >> filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=))" >> >> Jan 21 15:37:03 slapd[5920]: conn=120122 op=1 SRCH >> base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 filter="(uid=)" >> >> The other messages that follow all have the "extra" filter for either >> login uid. >> >> I would like to tell you the version of openldap we run, but I have been >> unsuccessful in finding out how to do this. The el5 install is x86. >> >> Anyone have a thought on how to check out my profile and why its >> failing? Or how to tell the version of ldap? >> >> Thanks, >> ~bob >> >> Barry Cisna wrote: >> >>> Bob, >>> >>> try the following. create a new user johnsmith. then; >>> ' chmod -c -R 777 /home/johnsmith ' >>> see if johnsmith can login. >>> if johnsmith can not login look in /messages log and see what the exact >>> error is. >>> Also I may haved missed? what version is the ldap server and is your el5 >>> x86 or _x64? >>> let us know your finding,please. >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Barry Cisna >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> > > >> begin:vcard >> fn:Bob Mead >> n:Mead;Bob >> org:South Lane School District;Technology Services Center >> email;internet:bmead at lane.k12.or.us >> title:Network Specialist >> tel;work:541.762.1124 >> version:2.1 >> end:vcard >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 23 18:11:56 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp login] In-Reply-To: <4979F739.8010008@lane.k12.or.us> References: <1232561647.8129.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4977B7F7.9020008@lane.k12.or.us> <20090122013855.GQ1174@junker.owens.net> <4979F739.8010008@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20090123181156.GB17112@junker.owens.net> Good to hear you've got it fixed! -Rob On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:58:33AM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > Thanks Rob for the food for thought. In checking out my profile(s) there > was indeed a local user and an ldap user with the same username. It > further turns out that somewhere in all the failed attempts to make this > work, my ldap profile was compromised with strange files and/or > permissions on those files. Once I nuked or chmod'd/chown'd those files > , I can login as me. :-) > > I'm going to attempt to document what I've done to make this work - > especially since I need to recreate this setup for another lab. Once > this finished, I will try to post it to the wiki. > ~bob > > Rob Owens wrote: > >Do you have a local user and an LDAP user with the same name? If so, the > >local user and the LDAP user will have different UID's. What *could* > >happen is that you authenticate to the LDAP server as "bob" with UID > >10001, but your home directory is owned by "bob" with UID 1001 (different > >UID). *Maybe* that's what's causing your problems. > > > >-Rob > > > >On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 04:04:07PM -0800, Bob Mead wrote: > > > >>Turns out that my username and pwd do not work, but everyone else's > >>does. Poor testing regimen on my part. That said, I cannot figure out > >>what is wrong with my profile. It has the same permissions as everyone > >>else. It works on all other servers I log into. Just not *this one*. > >>Given that I had the previous problem with my .dmrc file, I can see that > >>there is an ongoing problem here that I did not solve by fixing the > >>.dmrc issue. > >> > >>I tried tailing /var/log/messages on the ldap server to see what happens > >>when I login vs. anyone else. I copied the very first message of > >>successive logins as user and then as . As you can see > >>below, the user has an additional filter > >>(&(objectClass=posixAccount) that I do not: > >> > >>Jan 21 15:41:48 slapd[4228]: conn=121233 op=1 SRCH > >>base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 > >>filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=))" > >> > >>Jan 21 15:37:03 slapd[5920]: conn=120122 op=1 SRCH > >>base="dc=slane,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" scope=2 filter="(uid=)" > >> > >>The other messages that follow all have the "extra" filter for either > >>login uid. > >> > >>I would like to tell you the version of openldap we run, but I have been > >>unsuccessful in finding out how to do this. The el5 install is x86. > >> > >>Anyone have a thought on how to check out my profile and why its > >>failing? Or how to tell the version of ldap? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> ~bob > >> > >>Barry Cisna wrote: > >> > >>>Bob, > >>> > >>>try the following. create a new user johnsmith. then; > >>>' chmod -c -R 777 /home/johnsmith ' > >>>see if johnsmith can login. > >>>if johnsmith can not login look in /messages log and see what the exact > >>>error is. > >>>Also I may haved missed? what version is the ldap server and is your el5 > >>>x86 or _x64? > >>>let us know your finding,please. > >>> > >>>Take Care, > >>>Barry Cisna > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>begin:vcard > >>fn:Bob Mead > >>n:Mead;Bob > >>org:South Lane School District;Technology Services Center > >>email;internet:bmead at lane.k12.or.us > >>title:Network Specialist > >>tel;work:541.762.1124 > >>version:2.1 > >>end:vcard > >> > >> > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > begin:vcard > fn:Bob Mead > n:Mead;Bob > org:South Lane School District;Technology Services Center > email;internet:bmead at lane.k12.or.us > title:Network Specialist > tel;work:541.762.1124 > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Jan 23 22:26:26 2009 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:26:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: <20090121225210.GM1174@junker.owens.net> References: <20090121225210.GM1174@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <1232749586.22759.2.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Fedora 10 works well on mine :-) I was digging on the aspire users site (link on another machine, grr.) and found a good reference to some details on making it work with good power management. Daughter is using it for college and loves it. Also found larger battery packs (9 cell as opposed to the lttle 3 cell it shipped with). The battery upgrade was around $65 but gave it nearly 9 hours of use. Very nice machine. Rest of family pestering me for one. I _refuse_ to buy the one with winders on it. On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 17:52 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > This page has a link to download the aspire one image. http://eeepc.itrunsonlinux.com/the-news/249-acer-aspire-one-linpus-linux-lite-recovery-dvd-online > > I've also read that Sidux works on the aspire one. It supposedly supports all the hardware, whereas Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't support either sound or the webcam (I can't remember which). > > -Rob > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47:10AM -0500, David Trask wrote: > > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > > >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 24 01:21:26 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:21:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: <1232749586.22759.2.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <20090121225210.GM1174@junker.owens.net> <1232749586.22759.2.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20090124012126.GA19123@junker.owens.net> Let me know if you find a link for the 9 cell battery. -Rob On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 05:26:26PM -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote: > Fedora 10 works well on mine :-) I was digging on the aspire users site > (link on another machine, grr.) and found a good reference to some > details on making it work with good power management. > > Daughter is using it for college and loves it. Also found larger battery > packs (9 cell as opposed to the lttle 3 cell it shipped with). The > battery upgrade was around $65 but gave it nearly 9 hours of use. > > Very nice machine. Rest of family pestering me for one. I _refuse_ to > buy the one with winders on it. > On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 17:52 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > This page has a link to download the aspire one image. http://eeepc.itrunsonlinux.com/the-news/249-acer-aspire-one-linpus-linux-lite-recovery-dvd-online > > > > I've also read that Sidux works on the aspire one. It supposedly supports all the hardware, whereas Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't support either sound or the webcam (I can't remember which). > > > > -Rob > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47:10AM -0500, David Trask wrote: > > > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > > > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > > > >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > > > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > > > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > > > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > > > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > > > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > > > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > > > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > > > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > > > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > > > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > Technology Teacher/Director > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From burke at thealmquists.net Sat Jan 24 06:15:18 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:15:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AdvancedNetworkSetup Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've started to put together the AdvancedNetworkSetup page on the k12linux wikki at https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/ AdvancedNetworkSetup . Right now, I'm attempting to put up a guide to doing a Single NIC (aka "Mixed network") install. I haven't done my own single NIC install yet, though I will be trying one next week, so it's only a vague outline of things that need to be changed. Plus I'm never going to be able to cover all the possible permutations that you can do using the single NIC mixed into an existing network. My thinking is that, as this page grows, we will create separate pages for each advanced networking topic and link to them. Authentication to LDAP or Active Directory integration, NFS mounting /home from another server, NBD Root filesystems, Setup on a mixed network (aka Single NIC setup), etc. Right now I'm just putting them all on this page for the moment. If you have anything to contribute (or pointers to existing guides that are still good) for Fedora 9 and 10. In short, I'm looking for anyone who wants to add to an article or write one up. If you don't want to get a login for the wikki, feel free to email it to me (or the list, I'l get it). Thanks! - ---Burke Almquist -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkl6sfYACgkQxWV7OPa/g5Gb7gCeOTsOsalWvS5IU3JfVMaIp0Om nV8AniQmrkyym2qmj6KCPWEZVvC4jYZI =nlQW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wtogami at redhat.com Sun Jan 25 04:14:52 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:14:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Documentation TODO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497BE73C.4050405@redhat.com> Almquist Burke wrote: > > In short, I'm looking for anyone who wants to add to an article or > write one up. If you don't want to get a login for the wikki, feel free > to email it to me (or the list, I'l get it). > Thanks! More generally I want to know what topics people feel are missing from the Wiki documentation. We can create a list of missing topics, prioritize it, then create a TODO page to make it easy for volunteers to know what they can work on. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jan 26 03:57:30 2009 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:57:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Acer Aspire One Linpus Recovery DVD? In-Reply-To: <20090124012126.GA19123@junker.owens.net> References: <20090121225210.GM1174@junker.owens.net> <1232749586.22759.2.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20090124012126.GA19123@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <1232942250.4463.0.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> http://www.global-laptop-batteries.com/acer-laptop-battery/acer-aspire-one-h-battery.html On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 20:21 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > Let me know if you find a link for the 9 cell battery. > > -Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 05:26:26PM -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > Fedora 10 works well on mine :-) I was digging on the aspire users site > > (link on another machine, grr.) and found a good reference to some > > details on making it work with good power management. > > > > Daughter is using it for college and loves it. Also found larger battery > > packs (9 cell as opposed to the lttle 3 cell it shipped with). The > > battery upgrade was around $65 but gave it nearly 9 hours of use. > > > > Very nice machine. Rest of family pestering me for one. I _refuse_ to > > buy the one with winders on it. > > On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 17:52 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > > This page has a link to download the aspire one image. http://eeepc.itrunsonlinux.com/the-news/249-acer-aspire-one-linpus-linux-lite-recovery-dvd-online > > > > > > I've also read that Sidux works on the aspire one. It supposedly supports all the hardware, whereas Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't support either sound or the webcam (I can't remember which). > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47:10AM -0500, David Trask wrote: > > > > I know this is a little off topic, but I just bought an Acer Aspire One > > > > netbook and I also have another on the way from the Acer seed program > > > > >http://www.acer.com/us/k12/k12_landing.htm > > > > Unfortunately in order to get the higher end specs I had to get the > > > > windows version, but I'm planning to blow that away and install Ubuntu > > > > and/or the Linpus Linux version that comes with the Linux Aspire one's. > > > > Does anyone out there have an Aspire One Linux version with a Recovery > > > > DVD? I'd love to get a copy of it. I realize I could download Linpus > > > > Lite, but I'm not sure if there are specific Acer mods that I might miss. > > > > Let me know and we can arrange the method...either an ISO upload/download > > > > or simply shipping a DVD (which I'll be happy to exchange or pay > > > > for)....let me know. :-) I'll keep ya'll posted on how things go with > > > > the netbook. I'm going to try it as a thin-client as well. > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > > Technology Teacher/Director > > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mellax at pm.ee Mon Jan 26 09:44:09 2009 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:44:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos5, FF3 and text overlapping Message-ID: <497D85E9.10000@pm.ee> Hello! I try to understand, why text is overlapping. In screen all seems almost OK. In print preview most letters are too close. Some letters are overlapping. There is no problems with Ubuntu 8 and windows xp/vista. Only Centos 5 with Firefox 3. FF2 works ok. Also there is problem with Chrome and Vista. Any ideas? Link to test: http://6822901.la02.neti.ee/test/car3.html From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 15:47:49 2009 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:47:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video Message-ID: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Has anyone tried streaming video across there network ? What I'd like to be able to do is stream TV shows that I've recorded in avi / xvid format to Windows workstations connected to projectors so staff can view fullscreen what they've requested to be recorded. I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a page is causing problems. I don't really want them to have to download the whole program before it starts as happens if you just embed the file into a webpage. Any pointers please :-) Thanks Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From gspurgeon at redhat.com Mon Jan 26 16:17:45 2009 From: gspurgeon at redhat.com (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:17:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a page is causing problems. I > don't really want them to have to download the whole program before it starts as happens if you just > embed the file into a webpage. You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the like.. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 19:17:22 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:17:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, David Trask wrote: ... > about...etc. Also...has anyone tried the new MSI Wind desktop as a > thin-client? Those have the really small form factor....atom....and > barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have > what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. Looks like MSI finally got it right. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=725 http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=388&prod_no=1721 -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From moon at smbis.com Mon Jan 26 19:38:36 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:38:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new Thin-client recommendations for budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1232998716.31846.60.camel@mws.localdomain> Yeah, looks like the perfect solution. Just wonder if they will be selling them via distribution pr retail in the USA, or if they will be offered only through SBC type companies... On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 11:17 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, David Trask wrote: > ... > > about...etc. Also...has anyone tried the new MSI Wind desktop as a > > thin-client? Those have the really small form factor....atom....and > > barebones are about $139 at newegg....and $25 or so for RAM and you have > > what might be an awesome thin-client. All ideas welcome. > > Looks like MSI finally got it right. > > http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=725 > http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=388?_no=1721 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 19:45:45 2009 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:45:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >> I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a page is causing problems. I >> don't really want them to have to download the whole program before it starts as happens if you just >> embed the file into a webpage. >> > > You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ > > It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the > like.. > > Lets you have the Files on your www server and then just uses flash to > stream them to the client... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see That was my line of thought but I couldn't get the files to convert very well to flash video that will run full screen on a 42" TFT . If anyone has managed this with ffmpeg I'd be VERY please to hear about it :-) Thanks Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Mon Jan 26 20:22:44 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:22:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing References: <4977633A020000FC00009FA4@dpsd-email-2.deerpark.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <20090126T122244Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> OK. I ran the memtest86 overnight - no errors. I removed the extra 2G of ram - still crashing. Just to be on the thorough side, I swapped the 2G I removed with 2G on the server. Still crashing. I am going to go over, swap out the last 2G and replace the keyboard/mouse. I will update as I know more. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 26 21:34:25 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:34:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <994441ae0901261334m2090211x83f8c9400cdfca81@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >>> >>> I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a >>> page is causing problems. I don't really want them to have to download the >>> whole program before it starts as happens if you just embed the file into a >>> webpage. >>> >> >> You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ >> >> It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the >> like.. >> >> Lets you have the Files on your www server and then just uses flash to >> stream them to the client... > > That was my line of thought but I couldn't get the files to convert very > well to flash video that will run full screen on a 42" TFT . If anyone has > managed this with ffmpeg I'd be VERY please to hear about it :-) I did this for the Inauguration: http://wiki.videolan.org/Flash_Video I streamed to the JW FLV Player applet, though I probably would have used FlowPlayer had I known about it. Worked great; VLC transcoded a live over-the-air broadcast to FLV1/mp3 and served up 100 streams without breaking a sweat. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 01:27:24 2009 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:27:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open source conferences - NCCE in Portland, Feb 17-20 Message-ID: <508f42dc0901261727gd3c3a99h86edd30af30fd12e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, It seems like not very long ago when there were NO open source events at regional conferences. Then teachers started coming with students and other grass roots efforts started to show up all around the country. Then Steve Hargadon stepped up and put on some GREAT open source programs at NECC and now we're seeing demand at regional conferences. I think this is all good. Here's a short list of some of the workshops happening here in the PNW at NCCE 2009 (not to be confused with NECC, the large national conference which will be in Washington DC this year). ? Open Source for Schools ? Moodle for n00bs (newbies) ? Web 2.0 Basics: You mean you can do THAT on the Internet? ? Create Powerful Learning with Moodle ? Free Internet/Online Tools to Increase Student Achievement ? Multimedia Moodle Marvels ? Managing Moodle for Teaching and Learning ? Web 2.0 All you can eat buffet ? School 2.0: Living Learning and leading in a flat world ? Making Moodle Matter for Learners and Families More: >> http://www.ncce.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=593&Itemid=183 I hope some of you will post links to your own regional conferences on the http://K12LTSP.org wiki. ;-) Paul From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Jan 27 18:23:03 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:23:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing Message-ID: <1233080583.23240.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Steve, Just a thought. If replacing the keyboard/mouse,does not help your server situation,what you could try next is going into the bios and manually ,by clock speed slowing down the cpu(s) one speed at a time,and let it run this way for a day. We have an old dual processor server that merely runs as a backup server that was doing exactly what your server is experiencing. By just slowing down the FSB clock speed one increment ,never has hiccupped since. Another possibility could be one of the two processors is going bonkers on you. You could take off one processor at a time and let the sever run a day with one or the other to eliminate this possibility,as well. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 19:16:04 2009 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:16:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <994441ae0901261334m2090211x83f8c9400cdfca81@mail.gmail.com> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <994441ae0901261334m2090211x83f8c9400cdfca81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F5D74.608@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Brian Chivers > wrote: > >> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >> >>>> I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a >>>> page is causing problems. I don't really want them to have to download the >>>> whole program before it starts as happens if you just embed the file into a >>>> webpage. >>>> >>>> >>> You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ >>> >>> It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the >>> like.. >>> >>> Lets you have the Files on your www server and then just uses flash to >>> stream them to the client... >>> >> That was my line of thought but I couldn't get the files to convert very >> well to flash video that will run full screen on a 42" TFT . If anyone has >> managed this with ffmpeg I'd be VERY please to hear about it :-) >> > > I did this for the Inauguration: > http://wiki.videolan.org/Flash_Video > > I streamed to the JW FLV Player applet, though I probably would have > used FlowPlayer had I known about it. Worked great; VLC transcoded a > live over-the-air broadcast to FLV1/mp3 and served up 100 streams > without breaking a sweat. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I did think of that but couldn't get the files to high enough quality for fullscreen use. I'm looking a unreal server @ the mo & it's looking good :-) Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 27 19:34:42 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:34:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <497F5D74.608@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <994441ae0901261334m2090211x83f8c9400cdfca81@mail.gmail.com> <497F5D74.608@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <994441ae0901271134j56813d49if07280fdc454fbd2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Brian Chivers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a >>>>> page is causing problems. I don't really want them to have to download >>>>> the >>>>> whole program before it starts as happens if you just embed the file >>>>> into a >>>>> webpage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ >>>> >>>> It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the >>>> like.. >>>> >>>> Lets you have the Files on your www server and then just uses flash to >>>> stream them to the client... >>>> >>> >>> That was my line of thought but I couldn't get the files to convert very >>> well to flash video that will run full screen on a 42" TFT . If anyone >>> has >>> managed this with ffmpeg I'd be VERY please to hear about it :-) >>> >> >> I did this for the Inauguration: >> http://wiki.videolan.org/Flash_Video >> >> I streamed to the JW FLV Player applet, though I probably would have >> used FlowPlayer had I known about it. Worked great; VLC transcoded a >> live over-the-air broadcast to FLV1/mp3 and served up 100 streams >> without breaking a sweat. > > I did think of that but couldn't get the files to high enough quality for > fullscreen use. I'm looking a unreal server @ the mo & it's looking good :-) Cutting the frame rate in half (15fps) with "sout-transcode-fps" let us keep the bitrate lower while getting passable image detail. Play with that and the bitrate "sout-transcode-vb" until you get what you're looking for. I was a bit disappointed that VLC couldn't transcode to a h.264 Flash stream, because the quality was significantly better than FLV1. FLV was acceptable given our constraints and really didn't look too bad if you take a few steps back from the monitor. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Tue Jan 27 19:49:15 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:49:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing References: <1233080583.23240.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <20090127T114915Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu >>> Barry Cisna 1/27/09 10:23:03 AM >>> > Steve, > > Just a thought. If replacing the keyboard/mouse,does not help your > server situation,what you could try next is going into the bios and > manually ,by clock speed slowing down the cpu(s) one speed at a time,and > let it run this way for a day. We have an old dual processor server that > merely runs as a backup server that was doing exactly what your server > is experiencing. By just slowing down the FSB clock speed one > increment ,never has hiccupped since. Another possibility could be one > of the two processors is going bonkers on you. You could take off one > processor at a time and let the sever run a day with one or the other to > eliminate this possibility,as well. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna Thanks Barry, I will keep that to look at. I ran the HP diagnostice this morning before staff showed up. Everything passed, but of interest was that of the four drive making up the RAID 5, three are Maxtor and one is Fujitsu. The Maxtors finished the test and passed in 78% of expected time. The Fujitsu finished in 109% of expected time and passed as well. I wonder if there could be a timing issue between the drives. It ran successfully yesterday afternoon till this morning when I did the test. It is still running. I changed out the last 2G of RAM. We also downloaded the latest HP diagnostics and it found a bad drive in an identical server where the earlier version I used this morning did not find it. I will probably run the newer one, but it takes about 45 minutes to complete all the tests. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Tue Jan 27 19:49:53 2009 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing References: <1233080583.23240.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <20090127T114953Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> >>> Barry Cisna 1/27/09 10:23:03 AM >>> > Steve, > > Just a thought. If replacing the keyboard/mouse,does not help your > server situation,what you could try next is going into the bios and > manually ,by clock speed slowing down the cpu(s) one speed at a time,and > let it run this way for a day. We have an old dual processor server that > merely runs as a backup server that was doing exactly what your server > is experiencing. By just slowing down the FSB clock speed one > increment ,never has hiccupped since. Another possibility could be one > of the two processors is going bonkers on you. You could take off one > processor at a time and let the sever run a day with one or the other to > eliminate this possibility,as well. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna Thanks Barry, I will keep that to look at. I ran the HP diagnostice this morning before staff showed up. Everything passed, but of interest was that of the four drive making up the RAID 5, three are Maxtor and one is Fujitsu. The Maxtors finished the test and passed in 78% of expected time. The Fujitsu finished in 109% of expected time and passed as well. I wonder if there could be a timing issue between the drives. It ran successfully yesterday afternoon till this morning when I did the test. It is still running. I changed out the last 2G of RAM. We also downloaded the latest HP diagnostics and it found a bad drive in an identical server where the earlier version I used this morning did not find it. I will probably run the newer one, but it takes about 45 minutes to complete all the tests. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reb at taco.com Tue Jan 27 20:31:32 2009 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:31:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 Message-ID: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> Hi! I'm working with John Ellson who has posted here before. The main problem we are having right now is that we have no sound. Sound worked just fine but at some point while we were running FC9 it became attenuated. It coincided with an update, but unfortunately, we did not notice which one. At that point, even having everything turned up all the way it was difficult to hear anything. In our school environment it was impossible to hear anything from the speakers if students were in the room. Based on a number of suggestions on this list, we moved to FC10. John posted a list of the issues we encountered during the upgrade. The most important as far as the teachers are concerned was the lack of sound. With FC10 the clients get no sound whatsoever. There are a number of interesting messages in the system logs that I hope will assist us in fixing this issue. When users log in, we see a few things in /var/log/messages, often including these: >Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: START: ldminfod pid=11592 from=::ffff:172.31.100.101 >Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=11592 duration=0(sec) This corresponds with a bug we filed here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480995 Additionally, we see this: >Jan 27 15:02:08 sol gnome-session[11432]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout We filed this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480985 ...it appears that this was also noticed and fixed upstream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478671 We also see this: >Jan 27 15:02:08 sol pulseaudio[11611]: pid.c: Daemon already running. ...which matches some of the conditions listed in this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480205 Finally, we see lots of things like this when users log in: >Jan 27 15:02:17 sol restorecond: Reset file context /home/username/.execoooGJLQgB: unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0->system_u:object_r:user_home_t:s0 >Jan 27 15:02:17 sol restorecond: Reset file context /home/username/.execoooknH5JF: unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0->system_u:o and these: >Jan 27 15:04:07 sol gnome-session[8677]: WARNING: Unable to determine session: Unable to lookup session information for process '8677' Finally, when users log out there are always two processes left behind. >529 27789 1 0 10:27 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start >529 27801 27789 0 10:27 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper Yum indicates no updates needed. I am pretty sure everything is configured properly. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to resolve any of these issues? Thanks! reb From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Jan 27 21:12:23 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:12:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server crashing Message-ID: <1233090743.11041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Steve, Knowing that the one ( Fujitsu) drive came back with a bit wonky, results. I would install Webmin on this server. Then go to the 'hardware' category, and select the drives one at a time and see what the smartdrive report is on each of your drives. This gives very human readable *detailed* results if you have never used this. It's been so long since I have done the command line voodoo of smartdrive I don't even remember what the results should look like:-). It might reveal something definative for you. Another sidenote. Some of the Fujitsu drives was able to be jumpered to 15 heads per sector( versus the standard 16/sector).Don't even know what the advantage of this was suppose to be? Wonder if this could be a bottleneck?. Barry From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 21:51:50 2009 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:51:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming video In-Reply-To: <994441ae0901271134j56813d49if07280fdc454fbd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <497DDB25.80604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1232986665.3295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497E12E9.9080201@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <994441ae0901261334m2090211x83f8c9400cdfca81@mail.gmail.com> <497F5D74.608@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <994441ae0901271134j56813d49if07280fdc454fbd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497F81F6.9000700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dan Young wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Brian Chivers > wrote: > >> Dan Young wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Brian Chivers >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I've looked @ VLC and have it sort of working but the embedding into a >>>>>> page is causing problems. I don't really want them to have to download >>>>>> the >>>>>> whole program before it starts as happens if you just embed the file >>>>>> into a >>>>>> webpage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You might want to look @ something like http://flowplayer.org/ >>>>> >>>>> It is basically the same type of technology used by YouTube and the >>>>> like.. >>>>> >>>>> Lets you have the Files on your www server and then just uses flash to >>>>> stream them to the client... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That was my line of thought but I couldn't get the files to convert very >>>> well to flash video that will run full screen on a 42" TFT . If anyone >>>> has >>>> managed this with ffmpeg I'd be VERY please to hear about it :-) >>>> >>>> >>> I did this for the Inauguration: >>> http://wiki.videolan.org/Flash_Video >>> >>> I streamed to the JW FLV Player applet, though I probably would have >>> used FlowPlayer had I known about it. Worked great; VLC transcoded a >>> live over-the-air broadcast to FLV1/mp3 and served up 100 streams >>> without breaking a sweat. >>> >> I did think of that but couldn't get the files to high enough quality for >> fullscreen use. I'm looking a unreal server @ the mo & it's looking good :-) >> > > Cutting the frame rate in half (15fps) with "sout-transcode-fps" let > us keep the bitrate lower while getting passable image detail. Play > with that and the bitrate "sout-transcode-vb" until you get what > you're looking for. > > I was a bit disappointed that VLC couldn't transcode to a h.264 Flash > stream, because the quality was significantly better than FLV1. FLV > was acceptable given our constraints and really didn't look too bad if > you take a few steps back from the monitor. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I've been playing with ffmpeg to convert the files to flv's as I'm using a windows box to do the recording and it records .ts files. I'll have to see what I can do with that for h264 flash files. Guess it might be yet another read of the ffmpeg man page :-) Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 00:52:48 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:52:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird LTSP Boot error In-Reply-To: <1231794497.13884.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1231794497.13884.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hello, I'm sorry I took so long to reply to my question's response but I haven't been able to work on the LTSP server for a while (it being a volunteering thing, the pay job took over for a bit!) I tried renaming all the interfaces so they are all much shorter than the required but when the system tried to apply the firewall rules, it is using the old (longer) name rather than the new, shorter name. Is there a place where the NIC names are being stored that is not being modified by the admin -> network control app? With respect to Barry's recommendation of deleting and re-creating the firewall, I think that is WAY above my level. :) I barely understand iptables to begin with, let alone create them. Is there a simpler option? Thank you. Joseph On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Joseph, > > Go into Webmin>Networking>Linux Firewall and simply delete all the > entries that are showing,and SAVE>Apply, > Then reopen Webmin go back to same spot Select "Accept all traffic" > button,this will re-generate your iptables srcipt.Then start adding all > the zillion ports you want to block. This will at least get your TC's > booting again with iptables actually running. > The key is that the masquarading entry is in there( Postrouting). The > TC's will never boot correctly without this single entry. > Webmin hijacks to a certain degree the way iptables is controlled. > Hope this helps. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 02:58:33 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:58:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: Hello, On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM, David Hopkins wrote: >> "Could not launch application Failed to execute child process >> "openoffice.org" (No such file or directory)" >> >> The command the shortcut references is: >> >> openoffice.org -writer %U > > To fix this, I run gconf-editor, then under apps->panel->objects I > change the .desktop file that the panel icons point to by selecting > the key that specifies which .desktop file to launch and changing the > name, for instance, from openoffice.org -writer %U to openoffice.org3 > -writer %U .... it should also be possible to just go to the > /usr/share/applications directory and rename > openoffice.org3-writer.desktop to openoffice.org-writer.destkop (for > instance) and have everything work as well. I also set the icons to > "Mandatory" using the gconf-editor GUI to force these panel objects to > show up always. If you can't tell, I really like gconf-editor and > what it can do (like setting the http_proxy setting and other > system-wide settings in addition to apps) Thank you for letting me know about this little program -- it does seem very useful! However while I am able to use it to set up the correct launch location, etc. I don't have that 'mandatory' option, nor are the icons on the panel. They do show up under apps ->panel ->objects but they're not on the panel itself -- I think I erased them when I uninstalled the stock OO. How do I restore them and get that mandatory option? One more question -- cosmetic but I think important. openoffice automatically associates it's icons with .doc and .xls files, but it does not with .docx and .xlsx files -- how do I associate their image with the files? Thank you Joseph From rowens at ptd.net Wed Jan 28 03:53:52 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:53:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 09:58:33PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM, David Hopkins wrote: > >> "Could not launch application Failed to execute child process > >> "openoffice.org" (No such file or directory)" > >> > >> The command the shortcut references is: > >> > >> openoffice.org -writer %U > > > > To fix this, I run gconf-editor, then under apps->panel->objects I > > change the .desktop file that the panel icons point to by selecting > > the key that specifies which .desktop file to launch and changing the > > name, for instance, from openoffice.org -writer %U to openoffice.org3 > > -writer %U .... it should also be possible to just go to the > > /usr/share/applications directory and rename > > openoffice.org3-writer.desktop to openoffice.org-writer.destkop (for > > instance) and have everything work as well. I also set the icons to > > "Mandatory" using the gconf-editor GUI to force these panel objects to > > show up always. If you can't tell, I really like gconf-editor and > > what it can do (like setting the http_proxy setting and other > > system-wide settings in addition to apps) > > Thank you for letting me know about this little program -- it does > seem very useful! > > However while I am able to use it to set up the correct launch > location, etc. I don't have that 'mandatory' option, nor are the icons > on the panel. They do show up under apps ->panel ->objects but > they're not on the panel itself -- I think I erased them when I > uninstalled the stock OO. > > How do I restore them and get that mandatory option? > You need to run gconf-editor as root in order to have the mandatory and default options. -Rob From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jan 28 13:11:27 2009 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. Message-ID: <4980051F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I need some assistance. We have a computer lab that has 192.168.x.x ips running from a linux box with two NICs in it. The lab is conencted to one NIC. the other NIC is connected to the rest of the network on a 10.40.x.x address. I need to know how I can allow the computers on the 192.168.x.x network to be able to see a computer on the 10.40.x.x network. I have NAT running on the linux box and that is use to isolate that lab from the rest of the network if they get infected with a virus by simply "service nat stop". How do I configure NAT to allow a connection to a specific computer on the 10.40.x.x network using NAT? Server is Fedora Core 3 (likely, out of date I know, but is only used for this purpose). Any assistance will be appreciated! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:38:07 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:38:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: >> However while I am able to use it to set up the correct launch >> location, etc. I don't have that 'mandatory' option, nor are the icons >> on the panel. They do show up under apps ->panel ->objects but >> they're not on the panel itself -- I think I erased them when I >> uninstalled the stock OO. >> >> How do I restore them and get that mandatory option? >> > You need to run gconf-editor as root in order to have the mandatory and default options. And once as you, you can right click the item to set it or open up a new window from the file menu for mandatory settings >>One more question -- cosmetic but I think important. openoffice >>automatically associates it's icons with .doc and .xls files, but it >>does not with .docx and .xlsx files -- how do I associate their image >>with the files? Edit the defaults.list in /usr/share/applications is one way to do it (its what I use). A quick google gives this hit: http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/changing-default-applications/ but there may be better explanations. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:38:51 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:38:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: darn .. should read "Once as root" Sorry about that ... On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:38 AM, David Hopkins wrote: >>> However while I am able to use it to set up the correct launch >>> location, etc. I don't have that 'mandatory' option, nor are the icons >>> on the panel. They do show up under apps ->panel ->objects but >>> they're not on the panel itself -- I think I erased them when I >>> uninstalled the stock OO. >>> >>> How do I restore them and get that mandatory option? >>> >> You need to run gconf-editor as root in order to have the mandatory and default options. > > And once as you, you can right click the item to set it or open up a > new window from the file menu for mandatory settings > >>>One more question -- cosmetic but I think important. openoffice >>>automatically associates it's icons with .doc and .xls files, but it >>>does not with .docx and .xlsx files -- how do I associate their image >>>with the files? > > Edit the defaults.list in /usr/share/applications is one way to do it > (its what I use). A quick google gives this hit: > http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/changing-default-applications/ > but there may be better explanations. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Jan 28 13:46:21 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:46:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. Message-ID: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Doug, Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, --------------------------------------------------- Address 10.40.1.0 Subnet 255.255.255.0 Gateway # of eth1 nic --------------------------------------------------- Then,,, 'service network restart' This can be done on top of your natting config. If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. Barry Cisna From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jan 28 19:01:27 2009 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:01:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <49805726.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I don't have any gui running on that box since it is just a nat (kind of a firewall) box. Any other way? DS P.S. I have no problem with commandline . . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Barry Cisna 1/28/2009 7:46 AM >>> Doug, Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, --------------------------------------------------- Address 10.40.1.0 Subnet 255.255.255.0 Gateway # of eth1 nic --------------------------------------------------- Then,,, 'service network restart' This can be done on top of your natting config. If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bmead at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 28 19:15:22 2009 From: bmead at lane.k12.or.us (Bob Mead) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:15:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <49805726.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <49805726.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <4980AECA.2080602@lane.k12.or.us> Doug: This also works at the command line. Type system-config-network as root (I did it via ssh). Regards, ~bob Doug Simpson wrote: > I don't have any gui running on that box since it is just a nat (kind of a firewall) box. > Any other way? > > DS > > P.S. I have no problem with commandline . . . > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Barry Cisna 1/28/2009 7:46 AM >>> >>>> > Doug, > > Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. > Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, > --------------------------------------------------- > Address 10.40.1.0 > Subnet 255.255.255.0 > Gateway # of eth1 nic > --------------------------------------------------- > Then,,, > 'service network restart' > > This can be done on top of your natting config. > If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will > have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This > required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. > > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bmead.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jan 28 19:26:19 2009 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:26:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <49805CFA.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Don't have a gui, but. . . This is what I get then I do route: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.100.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 10.40.12.0 * 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 default 10.40.12.5 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 Looks like it should work, right? DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Barry Cisna 1/28/2009 7:46 AM >>> Doug, Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, --------------------------------------------------- Address 10.40.1.0 Subnet 255.255.255.0 Gateway # of eth1 nic --------------------------------------------------- Then,,, 'service network restart' This can be done on top of your natting config. If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jan 28 19:17:14 2009 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:17:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <4980AECA.2080602@lane.k12.or.us> References: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <49805726.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4980AECA.2080602@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <49805AD9.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Yup, but there is no provision in that interface to "add" any thing. . .(that I can see. . .) DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Bob Mead 1/28/2009 1:15 PM >>> Doug: This also works at the command line. Type system-config-network as root (I did it via ssh). Regards, ~bob Doug Simpson wrote: > I don't have any gui running on that box since it is just a nat (kind of a firewall) box. > Any other way? > > DS > > P.S. I have no problem with commandline . . . > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Barry Cisna 1/28/2009 7:46 AM >>> >>>> > Doug, > > Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. > Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, > --------------------------------------------------- > Address 10.40.1.0 > Subnet 255.255.255.0 > Gateway # of eth1 nic > --------------------------------------------------- > Then,,, > 'service network restart' > > This can be done on top of your natting config. > If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will > have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This > required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. > > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jan 28 19:36:17 2009 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:36:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Re: K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1233150381.5526.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <49805F51.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Thanks all. . . I jsut shelled in with ssh and ran it from a computer that does have a X on it and got it done.. . testing, now. . . Thanks Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Barry Cisna 1/28/2009 7:46 AM >>> Doug, Add a static route via the system-config-network gui. Select eth1,>Edit,then 'route' tab,,>ADD, --------------------------------------------------- Address 10.40.1.0 Subnet 255.255.255.0 Gateway # of eth1 nic --------------------------------------------------- Then,,, 'service network restart' This can be done on top of your natting config. If you do not have netbios_conntrack module loaded via iptables you will have to load this. I believe in FC3 this is setup by default?This required for say winders boxes to work seamlessly. Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From reb at taco.com Wed Jan 28 19:37:20 2009 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:37:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> Message-ID: <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> At 03:31 PM 01/27/09, Phydeaux wrote: >When users log in, we see a few things in /var/log/messages, often including these: >>Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: START: ldminfod pid=11592 from=::ffff:172.31.100.101 >>Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=11592 duration=0(sec) >This corresponds with a bug we filed here: >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480995 > >Additionally, we see this: >>Jan 27 15:02:08 sol gnome-session[11432]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout > >We filed this bug: >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480985 >...it appears that this was also noticed and fixed upstream: >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478671 > >We also see this: >>Jan 27 15:02:08 sol pulseaudio[11611]: pid.c: Daemon already running. > >...which matches some of the conditions listed in this bug: >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480205 >... Is anyone else seeing *any* of these issues? The silence is deafening, both from this list and from the PCs in the school. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. reb From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 28 20:53:02 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:53:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 Message-ID: <1233175982.15386.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Phy, When the clients boot up,do you ever see any lines in regards to "loading sound module xyz failed", (shortly before the Xconfig stage)? Also on a client if you drop to a shell and run ' lspci' do you see any soundcard resemblance listed? I assume these are the exact same clients that DID work on your earlier versions of k12ltsp? Let us know maybe a few more details on what the clients actually are? Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 28 21:05:31 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:05:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 Message-ID: <1233176731.16872.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> reb, You didn't mention what your previous version of k12ltsp,that you were running that these clients did have sound on. My guess would be that for whatever reason,the clients sound cards would set up correctly with esound as the sound daemon. When using pusleaudio,things get initialized a bit different. I know this is not a resolve for you,but that would be just a guess what has gone south on you. What do you get when you try and run the SYSTEM>Preferences>More Preferences>Mulitimedia Systems Selector>Default Output Plugin,>Test? Barry From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 28 23:53:03 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:53:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] YouTube - Chicago The Band A&E Interview 1 Message-ID: <1233186783.6360.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCE7fyPhzzc&feature=related From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 00:54:11 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:54:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you for the replies. Here is the current situation with my OpenOffice setup 1) I was able to, using gconf-editor as root, assign the 3 OO panel items (writer, calc, and impress) as mandatory 2) I was able to, using gconf-editor as root, correct the launch path so it points to the new OO3 installation However, this did not cause the icons to show up in the panel. :( Note I did not add those three items to the panel settings in gconf -- they were already there. But making the changes/setting as mandatory did not cause them to appear. I tried creating a new account on the off change it couldn't affect existing accounts, but would be OK for new accounts, but that was not the case; the new account is also missing the panel launchers. I don't know what to do. The other issue relates to the default associations/icons for the docx and other MS office 2007 files. Looking at my /usr/share/applications/defaults.list made no sense at all -- especially since it seems to refer only to the old version of OpenOffice, not the new one. But the new one correctly launches with DOC files, just not DOCX files. I've pasted the defaults.list file below in case someone can tell me what needs to be changed please. Thank you! Joseph [Default Applications] application/x-dia-diagram=dia.desktop text/x-vcard=evolution-2.0.desktop text/x-vcalendar=evolution-2.0.desktop text/calendar=evolution-2.0.desktop application/x-arj=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-bzip-compressed-tar=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-bzip=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-compress=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-compressed-tar=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-gzip=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-glade=gnome-glade-2.desktop application/x-lha=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-lhz=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-lzop=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-rar=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-tar=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-tarz=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-tzo=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/x-zoo=gnome-file-roller.desktop application/zip=gnome-file-roller.desktop image/x-compressed-xcf=gimp-2.0.desktop image/x-xcf=gimp-2.0.desktop image/x-psd=gimp-2.0.desktop image/x-fits=gimp-2.0.desktop image/bmp=gnome-eog.desktop;gthumb.desktop; 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application/vnd.rn-realmedia-secure=realplay.desktop; application/vnd.rn-realaudio-secure=realplay.desktop; audio/x-realaudio-secure=realplay.desktop; video/vnd.rn-realvideo-secure=realplay.desktop; audio/vnd.rn-realaudio=realplay.desktop; audio/x-realaudio=realplay.desktop; application/vnd.rn-realmedia=realplay.desktop; application/vnd.rn-realmedia-vbr=realplay.desktop; image/vnd.rn-realpix=realplay.desktop; audio/x-pn-realaudio=realplay.desktop; video/vnd.rn-realvideo=realplay.desktop; application/vnd.rn-realsystem-rmj=realplay.desktop; application/vnd.rn-realsystem-rmx=realplay.desktop; audio/aac=realplay.desktop; audio/x-aac=realplay.desktop; audio/m4a=realplay.desktop; audio/x-m4a=realplay.desktop; application/smil=realplay.desktop; application/x-smil=realplay.desktop; application/streamingmedia=realplay.desktop; application/x-streamingmedia=realplay.desktop; application/sdp=realplay.desktop; video/3gpp=realplay.desktop; video/3gpp-encrypted=realplay.desktop; audio/3gpp=realplay.desktop; audio/3gpp-encrypted=realplay.desktop; audio/amr=realplay.desktop; audio/amr-encrypted=realplay.desktop; audio/amr-wb=realplay.desktop; audio/amr-wb-encrypted=realplay.desktop; audio/x-rn-3gpp-amr=realplay.desktop; audio/x-rn-3gpp-amr-encrypted=realplay.desktop; audio/x-rn-3gpp-amr-wb=realplay.desktop; audio/x-rn-3gpp-amr-wb-encrypted=realplay.desktop; video/3gpp2=realplay.desktop; audio/x-3gpp2=realplay.desktop; application/pdf=AdobeReader.desktop application/vnd.adobe.xdp+xml=AdobeReader.desktop application/vnd.adobe.xfdf=AdobeReader.desktop application/vnd.fdf=AdobeReader.desktop application/vnd.adobe.pdx=AdobeReader.desktop From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 29 03:32:15 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:32:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YouTube - Chicago The Band A&E Interview 1 In-Reply-To: <1233186783.6360.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1233186783.6360.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1233199935.6209.10.camel@mws.localdomain> An awesome band! Listened to them when they first started and still do... On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 17:53 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCE7fyPhzzc&feature=related > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 05:31:26 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:31:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> Message-ID: <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> Phydeaux wrote: > At 03:31 PM 01/27/09, Phydeaux wrote: >> When users log in, we see a few things in /var/log/messages, often including these: >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: START: ldminfod pid=11592 from=::ffff:172.31.100.101 >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=11592 duration=0(sec) >> This corresponds with a bug we filed here: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480995 >> >> Additionally, we see this: >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol gnome-session[11432]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout >> We filed this bug: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480985 >> ...it appears that this was also noticed and fixed upstream: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478671 >> >> We also see this: >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol pulseaudio[11611]: pid.c: Daemon already running. >> ...which matches some of the conditions listed in this bug: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480205 >> ... > > Is anyone else seeing *any* of these issues? The silence is deafening, both from > this list and from the PCs in the school. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > I have 10 different clients here ranging from Geode, VIA, Intel, AMD and I have never seen any issues like described here. It is very perplexing to me. Warren From moon at smbis.com Thu Jan 29 05:49:09 2009 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:49:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1233208149.6096.20.camel@mws.localdomain> Warren, I noted that the latest X.org revision in F10 had issues with video on i810 chipset based systems, like the Compaq D51. I also found that there were also problems with the sound on these systems, which led to my shelving F10 for now. On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 00:31 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > Phydeaux wrote: > > At 03:31 PM 01/27/09, Phydeaux wrote: > >> When users log in, we see a few things in /var/log/messages, often including these: > >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: START: ldminfod pid=11592 from=::ffff:172.31.100.101 > >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=11592 duration=0(sec) > >> This corresponds with a bug we filed here: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480995 > >> > >> Additionally, we see this: > >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol gnome-session[11432]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout > >> We filed this bug: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480985 > >> ...it appears that this was also noticed and fixed upstream: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478671 > >> > >> We also see this: > >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol pulseaudio[11611]: pid.c: Daemon already running. > >> ...which matches some of the conditions listed in this bug: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480205 > >> ... > > > > Is anyone else seeing *any* of these issues? The silence is deafening, both from > > this list and from the PCs in the school. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > > I have 10 different clients here ranging from Geode, VIA, Intel, AMD and > I have never seen any issues like described here. It is very perplexing > to me. > > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfristen at shaw.ca Thu Jan 29 15:15:30 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:15:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> Message-ID: <4981C812.2090509@shaw.ca> After updating LTSP5 on Jan. 22, sound no longer worked on my LTSP client. The client is a Diskless Workstations LTSP 1420 PXE. The server is a Fedora 9 x86_64. It appeared that a pulseaudio module was missing from the chroot. All I had to do was to go into the chroot and type yum install pulseaudio-module-gconf and then rebuild the i386 image and reboot the terminal. Brian Phydeaux wrote: > At 03:31 PM 01/27/09, Phydeaux wrote: >> When users log in, we see a few things in /var/log/messages, often including these: >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: START: ldminfod pid=11592 from=::ffff:172.31.100.101 >>> Jan 27 15:02:00 sol xinetd[2347]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=11592 duration=0(sec) >> This corresponds with a bug we filed here: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480995 >> >> Additionally, we see this: >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol gnome-session[11432]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout >> We filed this bug: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480985 >> ...it appears that this was also noticed and fixed upstream: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478671 >> >> We also see this: >>> Jan 27 15:02:08 sol pulseaudio[11611]: pid.c: Daemon already running. >> ...which matches some of the conditions listed in this bug: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480205 >> ... > > Is anyone else seeing *any* of these issues? The silence is deafening, both from > this list and from the PCs in the school. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > reb > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From reb at taco.com Thu Jan 29 15:46:01 2009 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:46:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 Message-ID: <59178.71.58.197.201.1233243961.squirrel@webmail.taco.com> > When the clients boot up,do you ever see any lines in regards to "loading sound > module xyz failed", (shortly before the Xconfig stage)? I didn't see any such message, but with FC10 I now see a fancy set of graphic bars on the bottom of the screen for most of the boot process rather than anything useful. When I switch to the console output during that phase of boot I see nothing of note, and no errors. Not much is displayed, though. > Also on a client if you drop to a shell and run ' lspci' do you see any soundcard > resemblance listed? I assume these are the exact same clients that DID work on > your earlier versions of k12ltsp? Yes -- the hardware is exactly the same -- with no changes whatsoever. > Let us know maybe a few more details on what the clients actually are? If I drop into a shell in the GUI (running on the server) I see this in the lspci output: > 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller On the client machine, dropping into a local shell I see this from lspci: 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller All worked fine with regard to sound under FC9 until, as I mentioned the other day, we applied some update. At that point sound became attenuated and was barely audible. Unfortunately, we didn't notice this right away and don't know what the offending update was. Under FC10 we get no sound at all. The hardware for the server and most of the clients is a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H motherboard with 2gb of RAM and a dual-core CPU. Everything is integrated onto the motherboard. It has RealTek hardware for sound. I found references to it needing an ALC889 driver, however on the client machine I see this in the dmesg output: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying to auto-probe from BIOS... ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3303: autoconfig: line_outs=4 (0x14/0x15/0x16/0x17/0x0) ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3311: hp_outs=1 (0x1b/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3312: mono: mono_out=0x0 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3320: inputs: mic=0x18, fmic=0x19, line=0x1a, fline=0x0, cd=0x0, aux=0x0 Our 32-bit clients are mostly old Compaq machines, but they, too, fail to have any sound. Running dmesg on them reveals nothing of note. I'm not too worried about sound on them, as we're going to be replacing them fairly soon. I believe they have AC97 hardware as there was reference to that on one set of 32-bit client dmesg output that was unrelated to sound: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clocl: measured 50714 usecs At shutdown I see this on the all clients, but I don't think it means anything is wrong: Saving mixer settings /sbin/alsactl: save_state:1541: Cannot open /etc/asound.state for writing: Read-only file system > You didn't mention what your previous version of k12ltsp,that you were > running that these clients did have sound on. My guess would be that As of this morning we're on ltsp-server-5.1.54-1.fc10x86_64 (I think that's what you want). > for whatever reason,the clients sound cards would set up correctly with esound as > the sound daemon. When using pusleaudio,things get initialized a bit different. I > know this is not a resolve for you,but that would be just a guess what has gone > south on you. > What do you get when you try and run the SYSTEM>Preferences>More > Preferences>Mulitimedia Systems Selector>Default Output Plugin,>Test? I have no such menu option. Trying System->Preferences->Hardware->Sound I find that the system does in fact play a very faint tone. It does this with either of these drives selected: PulseAudio Sound Server ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Autodetect (which clearly selects one of the previous two) This is the *only* time I hear anything from the speakers. All the volume controls are set to 100% and all system sounds are turned on. Perhaps sound is working and it is at so low a volume that it can't be heard other than via this utility? Does the utility do something to play sound that the rest of the system doesn't do? Maybe this morning's update of ltsp-server to the above-version fixed something? Sound is still not working, though, as nothing is audible via any application except the test utility. reb From rbachelier at aesis-conseil.com Thu Jan 29 15:55:14 2009 From: rbachelier at aesis-conseil.com (Richard Bachelier) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:55:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] client hostname Message-ID: <200901291655.15334.rbachelier@aesis-conseil.com> Hi, How to set the hostname for client ? always client-XX.XX.XX.XX in my login screen I tried 'use-host-decl-names' or 'get-lease-hostnames' in dhcpd.conf without change conf : Fedora 10 ltsp-server 5.1.44 thanks a lot Richard From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 18:43:07 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <4981C812.2090509@shaw.ca> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <4981C812.2090509@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4981F8BB.8030400@redhat.com> Brian Fristensky wrote: > After updating LTSP5 on Jan. 22, sound no longer worked on my LTSP client. > The client is a Diskless Workstations LTSP 1420 PXE. The server is a > Fedora 9 x86_64. You updated both the server and client chroot? Please look in /var/log/yum.log. What are all packages that updated on January 22nd? Warren From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 18:56:10 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:56:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: > However, this did not cause the icons to show up in the panel. :( > Note I did not add those three items to the panel settings in gconf -- > they were already there. But making the changes/setting as mandatory > did not cause them to appear. I tried creating a new account on the > off change it couldn't affect existing accounts, but would be OK for > new accounts, but that was not the case; the new account is also > missing the panel launchers. I don't know what to do. The icons don't show up at all? or are just not the right icons? If you've pointed to a .desktop file that doesn't exist, then the icons just won't show up. If they are not the right ones, then selecting the "Reset my desktop" option on logging in and choosing "Just for this session" has corrected that issue for me. > The other issue relates to the default associations/icons for the docx > and other MS office 2007 files. Looking at my > /usr/share/applications/defaults.list made no sense at all -- > especially since it seems to refer only to the old version of > OpenOffice, not the new one. But the new one correctly launches with > DOC files, just not DOCX files. I've pasted the defaults.list file > below in case someone can tell me what needs to be changed please. > > Thank you! > Joseph > > [Default Applications] > application/vnd.ms-word=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.wordperfect=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.sun.xml.writer=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.stardivision.writer=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-template=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-web=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop Why is this pointing at openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop? As for the docx option, I'll check my settings this evening, but another way to accomplish this on a user-by-user basis is to right click on the file, and choose the application that is used to launch it. That application will then always be used for that extension. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From reb at taco.com Thu Jan 29 19:28:40 2009 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:28:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090129192845.A65D360BC10@althea.taco.com> At 12:31 AM 01/29/09, Warren Togami wrote: >I have 10 different clients here ranging from Geode, VIA, Intel, AMD and I have never seen any issues like described here. It is very perplexing to me. I'm sure it's something small we're overlooking. FYI -- one additional data point is that when users log out there are two processes left behind: user 7376 1 0 09:57 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start user 7389 7376 0 09:57 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper Sometimes there are more, but these two always seem to be there. They both appear to be related to pulseaudio. reb From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 20:18:04 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:18:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200901081301.24649.graham@theingots.org.nz> <200901081316.08680.graham@theingots.org.nz> <20090128035352.GA16113@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you for your message. I've posted in-line: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, David Hopkins wrote: > The icons don't show up at all? or are just not the right icons? If > you've pointed to a .desktop file that doesn't exist, then the icons > just won't show up. If they are not the right ones, then selecting > the "Reset my desktop" option on logging in and choosing "Just for > this session" has corrected that issue for me. The icons don't show up at all. They are missing from the panel. I will try the reset my desktop option the next time I log in. However, how does that work for newly created users? I mean when I create a brand new user he or she is also missing the icons. Is there a default account (I've heard of /home/skel but don't know much about it!) that is perhaps missing these icons and so the new ones are also missing them? >> [Default Applications] >> application/vnd.ms-word=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.wordperfect=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.sun.xml.writer=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.stardivision.writer=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-template=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-web=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop >> application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master=openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop > > Why is this pointing at openoffice.org-1.9-writer.desktop? As for the > docx option, I'll check my settings this evening, but another way to > accomplish this on a user-by-user basis is to right click on the file, > and choose the application that is used to launch it. That > application will then always be used for that extension. I also am confused as to why they point to openoffice 1.9 as I uninstalled that application prior to installing OO 3. I understand your recommendation about using the right click and choosing the application that opens it -- I have done this myself and while it works (in the sense that now docx files will be opened by OO 3, it doesn't give those icons the same look as doc files receive. They look like plain white file icons rather than having the OO writer or calc icon associated with them. The other issue is that this is for an elementary school and getting the kids to do this might prove to be difficult :) Hopefully your file might have a solution. Thank you. Joseph From burke at thealmquists.net Thu Jan 29 23:21:29 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:21:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] client hostname In-Reply-To: <200901291655.15334.rbachelier@aesis-conseil.com> References: <200901291655.15334.rbachelier@aesis-conseil.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You want to use "get-lease-host-names". You also need to make sure your DNS or hosts file has a hostname for each IP. If you want to assign specific IPs to specific machines, you need to tell DHCP to assign specific IPs to MAC addresses. On Jan 29, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Richard Bachelier wrote: > Hi, > > How to set the hostname for client ? always client-XX.XX.XX.XX in > my login > screen > > I tried 'use-host-decl-names' or 'get-lease-hostnames' in > dhcpd.conf without > change > > conf : > Fedora 10 > ltsp-server 5.1.44 > > thanks a lot > > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmCOfkACgkQxWV7OPa/g5G7cgCeLw+s/oMrI93L0G1GEb5ypEG9 nf8An0FcQcVX4pzAASQxhArm77xMtHng =TDSi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 23:44:00 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:44:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <20090129192845.A65D360BC10@althea.taco.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> <20090129192845.A65D360BC10@althea.taco.com> Message-ID: <49823F40.8070506@redhat.com> Phydeaux wrote: > At 12:31 AM 01/29/09, Warren Togami wrote: >> I have 10 different clients here ranging from Geode, VIA, Intel, AMD and I have never seen any issues like described here. It is very perplexing to me. > > I'm sure it's something small we're overlooking. FYI -- one additional data point > is that when users log out there are two processes left behind: > > user 7376 1 0 09:57 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start > user 7389 7376 0 09:57 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper > > Sometimes there are more, but these two always seem to be there. They both > appear to be related to pulseaudio. > Leftover on the server? It seems that gnome-session starts that blindly as part of its startup routine, then LTSP client login sets an environment variable like: PULSE_SERVER=tcp:172.31.100.108:4713 So pulse sound actually is directed over the network and doesn't use the pulseaudio daemon launched on the server for the logged in user. Meaning... that is unrelated to the problem. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From bfristen at shaw.ca Fri Jan 30 04:17:53 2009 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:17:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <4981F8BB.8030400@redhat.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <4981C812.2090509@shaw.ca> <4981F8BB.8030400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49827F71.4030609@shaw.ca> Warren Togami wrote: > Brian Fristensky wrote: >> After updating LTSP5 on Jan. 22, sound no longer worked on my LTSP >> client. >> The client is a Diskless Workstations LTSP 1420 PXE. The server is a >> Fedora 9 x86_64. > > You updated both the server and client chroot? > > Please look in /var/log/yum.log. What are all packages that updated on > January 22nd? This is the yum.log from the server, Jan. 22: Jan 22 08:05:41 Installed: gd-2.0.35-5.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:05:42 Installed: fswebcam-20070108-3.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:37 Updated: gtk2-2.12.12-2.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:38 Updated: libxml2-2.7.3-1.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:40 Updated: xsane-0.996-3.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:41 Updated: xsane-gimp-0.996-3.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:41 Updated: ethtool-6-2.20090115git.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:17:42 Updated: kernel-firmware-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.noarch Jan 22 08:17:52 Updated: PyOpenGL-3.0.0-0.9.b8.fc9.noarch Jan 22 08:17:53 Updated: libxml2-2.7.3-1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 08:17:56 Updated: gtk2-2.12.12-2.fc9.i386 Jan 22 08:17:57 Updated: libxml2-python-2.7.3-1.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:11 Installed: kernel-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:11 Updated: 4:perl-libs-5.10.0-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:11 Updated: 1:perl-Pod-Escapes-1.04-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:12 Updated: 1:perl-Module-Pluggable-3.60-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:21 Updated: 4:perl-5.10.0-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:21 Updated: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.008-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:22 Updated: perl-IO-Compress-Base-2.008-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:22 Updated: perl-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.008-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:22 Updated: 1:perl-Pod-Simple-3.07-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:22 Updated: 3:perl-version-0.74-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:26 Updated: gtkpod-0.99.12-3.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:27 Updated: perl-Compress-Zlib-2.008-40.fc9.x86_64 Jan 22 08:20:39 Installed: kernel-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.x86_64 And here's yum.log from the chroot Jan 22 15:13:24 Installed: usbutils-0.73-2.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:11 Updated: kernel-firmware-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.noarch Jan 22 15:41:11 Updated: yum-3.2.21-2.fc9.noarch Jan 22 15:41:11 Updated: 2:libpng-1.2.34-1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:11 Updated: libxml2-2.7.3-1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:12 Updated: 32:bind-libs-9.5.1-1.P1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:14 Updated: gtk2-2.12.12-2.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:14 Updated: 32:bind-utils-9.5.1-1.P1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:14 Updated: libxml2-python-2.7.3-1.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:37 Installed: kernel-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.i586 Jan 22 15:41:37 Updated: ethtool-6-2.20090115git.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:38 Updated: 4:perl-libs-5.10.0-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:38 Updated: 1:perl-Pod-Escapes-1.04-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:38 Updated: 1:perl-Module-Pluggable-3.60-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:42 Updated: 4:perl-5.10.0-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:42 Updated: 1:perl-Pod-Simple-3.07-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:42 Updated: 3:perl-version-0.74-40.fc9.i386 Jan 22 15:41:43 Installed: kernel-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.i586 Jan 22 16:41:13 Installed: pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.10-2.fc9.i386 It took me about an hour to find out that the pulseaudio file was needed, which is reflected in the log. Unfortunately, I will be unable to pursue this further at my end because I'm leaving on sabbatical tomorrow for several months. > > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 06:22:23 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:22:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! Message-ID: Hello, So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. Here's the skinny: 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does not work with JetDirect (as per this site http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and unsupported printers", of course. 4) I was, under the older K12ltsp, able to get it to print by plugging a WIN98 machine into the internet switch that the LTSP internet NIC was also plugged into. I then installed the printer on the WIN 98 and shared it out. Pointed LTSP to the share and printing was fine. This, however, no longer works when I upgraded to CentOS. 5) When I try to replicate that scenario of using win 98, I find I am able to browse the shares on the win98 machine from the LTSP server but only if they are directories, NOT the printer shares! This is the case if I use LinNeighbourhood or Nautilus, or anything else. 6) I can force CUPS to point to the place where the printer share SHOULD be: (smb:///PRINTSVR1/HPLJ_1000 or the IP version smb:///192.168.1.250/HPLJ_1000) and printing will still not work - gives the error: Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds... 7) This is the exact same win98 machine and printer that was before working fine -- the only changes I can see are 1) the centos ltsp, and 2) the IPcop machine that is on the network now Is there any hope? I've even asked the IRC LTSP bot and it had no good suggestions (typing "!BlowupPrinter" gave me "Error: "BlowupPrinter" is not a valid command." at 1 am). Thank you. Joseph From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 30 06:47:57 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:47:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4982A29D.9060500@cmosnetworks.com> I popped a little parallel-port print server onto my LaserJet 6L. It's a TrendNet TE100-P1P unit, which cost right around $39. Works great. It looks a lot like one of those copy-protection parallel-port dongles from the early 1990's. It has a 10/100 Ethernet port on it, and it's configured via a standard Web browser (I used Firefox on CentOS 5). It speaks IPP (CUPS), JetDirect-ese (aka "TCP/IP printing"), LPR, and I think even SMB/NetBIOS. I use the JetDirect-ese ("TCP/IP printing") mode. In your case, this would allow you to have your K12LTSP server in one room, and your LaserJet 1000 in another room--anywhere where there's an Ethernet port. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to > prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. > > My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I > had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP > 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. > Here's the skinny: > > 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 > > 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. > This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab > > 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does > not work with JetDirect (as per this site > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& > docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and > unsupported printers", of course. > > 4) I was, under the older K12ltsp, able to get it to print by plugging > a WIN98 machine into the internet switch that the LTSP internet NIC > was also plugged into. I then installed the printer on the WIN 98 and > shared it out. Pointed LTSP to the share and printing was fine. > This, however, no longer works when I upgraded to CentOS. > > 5) When I try to replicate that scenario of using win 98, I find I am > able to browse the shares on the win98 machine from the LTSP server > but only if they are directories, NOT the printer shares! This is the > case if I use LinNeighbourhood or Nautilus, or anything else. > > 6) I can force CUPS to point to the place where the printer share > SHOULD be: (smb:///PRINTSVR1/HPLJ_1000 or the IP version > smb:///192.168.1.250/HPLJ_1000) and printing will still not work - > gives the error: Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 > seconds... > > 7) This is the exact same win98 machine and printer that was before > working fine -- the only changes I can see are 1) the centos ltsp, and > 2) the IPcop machine that is on the network now > > Is there any hope? I've even asked the IRC LTSP bot and it had no > good suggestions (typing "!BlowupPrinter" gave me "Error: > "BlowupPrinter" is not a valid command." at 1 am). > > Thank you. > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 06:48:45 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:18:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20901292248q1bcc6b5fo4583cb8d80e963d0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/30 Joseph Bishay : > 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 > > 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does > not work with JetDirect (as per this site > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& > docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and > unsupported printers", of course. If it is working on server then only reason for it not to work on the client is that the client does not have USB2 ports. Is that correct? Then may be you need atleast one thin client that has SUB2 ports. (This was how we got scanner working at a thin client). > > 4) I was, under the older K12ltsp, able to get it to print by plugging > a WIN98 machine into the internet switch that the LTSP internet NIC > was also plugged into. I then installed the printer on the WIN 98 and > shared it out. Pointed LTSP to the share and printing was fine. > This, however, no longer works when I upgraded to CentOS. > > 5) When I try to replicate that scenario of using win 98, I find I am > able to browse the shares on the win98 machine from the LTSP server > but only if they are directories, NOT the printer shares! This is the > case if I use LinNeighbourhood or Nautilus, or anything else. > > 6) I can force CUPS to point to the place where the printer share > SHOULD be: (smb:///PRINTSVR1/HPLJ_1000 or the IP version > smb:///192.168.1.250/HPLJ_1000) and printing will still not work - > gives the error: Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 > seconds... > > 7) This is the exact same win98 machine and printer that was before > working fine -- the only changes I can see are 1) the centos ltsp, and > 2) the IPcop machine that is on the network now Off chance do check the windows share or samba settings. Win98 use plain text password whereas later releases used encrypted ...something like that. Could that be a problem? HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From rbachelier at aesis-conseil.com Fri Jan 30 11:57:14 2009 From: rbachelier at aesis-conseil.com (Richard Bachelier) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] client hostname In-Reply-To: References: <200901291655.15334.rbachelier@aesis-conseil.com> Message-ID: <200901301257.15020.rbachelier@aesis-conseil.com> Le Friday 30 January 2009 00:21:29 Almquist Burke, vous avez ?crit?: > cific thanks. I try it ASAP. Regards Richard From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 30 14:16:56 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:16:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to > prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. > > My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I > had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP > 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. > Here's the skinny: > > 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 > > 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. > This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab > > 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does > not work with JetDirect (as per this site > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& > docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and > unsupported printers", of course. > This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP calls it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked to an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP 1020. Double-check all your steps. 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free to add to my list. -Rob From dean at mumby.co.za Fri Jan 30 14:23:21 2009 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:23:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to >> prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. >> >> My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I >> had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP >> 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. >> Here's the skinny: >> >> 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 >> >> 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. >> This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab >> >> 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does >> not work with JetDirect (as per this site >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& >> docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and >> unsupported printers", of course. >> >> > This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP calls it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked to an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP 1020. > > Double-check all your steps. > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? > > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? > > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? > > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? > > There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free to add to my list. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > The problem I think is that its not really a printer until the computer uploads the firmware and tells it that it is a printer , this is why it needs to be connected to a pc with the drivers. Have you tried setting it up as a tcp/ip printer from a windows machine ? it might upload the firmware that way ??? Dean From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 30 14:45:27 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:45:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +0200, Dean Mumby wrote: > > > Rob Owens wrote: > >On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to > >>prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. > >> > >>My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I > >>had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP > >>4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. > >>Here's the skinny: > >> > >>1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 > >> > >>2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. > >>This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab > >> > >>3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does > >>not work with JetDirect (as per this site > >>http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& > >>docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and > >>unsupported printers", of course. > >> > >> > >This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP calls > >it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a > >computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked to > >an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP 1020. > > > >Double-check all your steps. > > > >1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that > >file that it has a usb printer attached? > > > >2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? > > > >3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above > >changes/settings? > > > >4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP > >address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP > >Laserjet 1000 as the printer? > > > >There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free to > >add to my list. > > > >-Rob > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > The problem I think is that its not really a printer until the computer > uploads the firmware and tells it that it is a printer , this is why it > needs to be connected to a pc with the drivers. > > Have you tried setting it up as a tcp/ip printer from a windows machine > ? it might upload the firmware that way ??? > That could be. I successfully used an HP Laserjet 1020 on a thin client, but that same printer had previously been attached to a Windows computer. -Rob From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 30 15:42:23 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:42:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +0200, Dean Mumby wrote: > >> Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to >>>> prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. >>>> >>>> My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I >>>> had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP >>>> 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. >>>> Here's the skinny: >>>> >>>> 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 >>>> >>>> 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. >>>> This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab >>>> >>>> 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does >>>> not work with JetDirect (as per this site >>>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& >>>> docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and >>>> unsupported printers", of course. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP calls >>> it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a >>> computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked to >>> an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP 1020. >>> >>> Double-check all your steps. >>> >>> 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that >>> file that it has a usb printer attached? >>> >>> 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? >>> >>> 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above >>> changes/settings? >>> >>> 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP >>> address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP >>> Laserjet 1000 as the printer? >>> >>> There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free to >>> add to my list. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> The problem I think is that its not really a printer until the computer >> uploads the firmware and tells it that it is a printer , this is why it >> needs to be connected to a pc with the drivers. >> >> Have you tried setting it up as a tcp/ip printer from a windows machine >> ? it might upload the firmware that way ??? >> >> > That could be. I successfully used an HP Laserjet 1020 on a thin client, but that same printer had previously been attached to a Windows computer. > > -Rob > Since it works when hooked up directly to the K12LTSP server, why not just hook up a little cheapie "JetDirect-like" print server, make a print queue in the K12LTSP server, and put the printer wherever there's a network drop? Or would that not work for your situation? Is there a specific reason why it has to hang directly off of a thin client? --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 30 17:31:07 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:31:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:42:23AM -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > >On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +0200, Dean Mumby wrote: > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: > >> > >>>On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hello, > >>>> > >>>>So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to > >>>>prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. > >>>> > >>>>My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I > >>>>had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP > >>>>4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. > >>>>Here's the skinny: > >>>> > >>>>1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 > >>>> > >>>>2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. > >>>>This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab > >>>> > >>>>3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does > >>>>not work with JetDirect (as per this site > >>>>http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& > >>>>docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and > >>>>unsupported printers", of course. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP > >>>calls it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a > >>>computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked > >>>to an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP > >>>1020. > >>> > >>>Double-check all your steps. > >>> > >>>1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in > >>>that file that it has a usb printer attached? > >>> > >>>2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? > >>> > >>>3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above > >>>changes/settings? > >>> > >>>4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the > >>>IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP > >>>Laserjet 1000 as the printer? > >>> > >>>There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free > >>>to add to my list. > >>> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>The problem I think is that its not really a printer until the computer > >>uploads the firmware and tells it that it is a printer , this is why it > >>needs to be connected to a pc with the drivers. > >> > >>Have you tried setting it up as a tcp/ip printer from a windows machine > >>? it might upload the firmware that way ??? > >> > >> > >That could be. I successfully used an HP Laserjet 1020 on a thin client, > >but that same printer had previously been attached to a Windows computer. > > > >-Rob > > > > Since it works when hooked up directly to the K12LTSP server, why not > just hook up a little cheapie "JetDirect-like" print server, make a > print queue in the K12LTSP server, and put the printer wherever there's > a network drop? > > Or would that not work for your situation? Is there a specific reason > why it has to hang directly off of a thin client? > My understanding of the host-based printers is that they won't work if hooked to a print server if you attempt to communicate to it directly from a Windows machine. I think that magic that makes it work on a print server is the Linux driver. So you could hook it to a print server, but you'd need to configure and share the printer from a Linux machine. This is based on my recollection of when I had a similar problem about a year ago. My memory might be fading, though... -Rob From reb at taco.com Fri Jan 30 17:43:11 2009 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:43:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound after moving to FC10 In-Reply-To: <49823F40.8070506@redhat.com> References: <20090127203135.A4B3050835A@althea.taco.com> <20090128193724.6443A60BB74@althea.taco.com> <49813F2E.9040904@redhat.com> <20090129192845.A65D360BC10@althea.taco.com> <49823F40.8070506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090130174314.A78ED60E109@althea.taco.com> At 06:44 PM 01/29/09, Warren Togami wrote: >Leftover on the server? It seems that gnome-session starts that blindly as part of its startup routine, then LTSP client login sets an environment variable like: >PULSE_SERVER=tcp:172.31.100.108:4713 > >So pulse sound actually is directed over the network and doesn't use the pulseaudio daemon launched on the server for the logged in user. > >Meaning... that is unrelated to the problem. That's good to know -- thanks! Do you have any idea why we might not be getting any sound on the clients or any suggestions as to what else to look for? reb From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 30 18:14:56 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:14:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:42:23AM -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +0200, Dean Mumby wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rob Owens wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:22:23AM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> So I have a feeling that there's some sort of evil force trying to >>>>>> prevent me from getting this lab off the ground. >>>>>> >>>>>> My latest trouble has to do with trying to get a printer working. I >>>>>> had it working once when I was using K12LTSP 5 (based on FC with LTSP >>>>>> 4.2) but now that I've upgraded to EL5 nothing is really working. >>>>>> Here's the skinny: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Printer is USB HP Laserjet 1000 >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Printer works no problem when directly plugged into the server. >>>>>> This isn't feasible because the server is not in the computer lab >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does >>>>>> not work with JetDirect (as per this site >>>>>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& >>>>>> docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and >>>>>> unsupported printers", of course. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP >>>>> calls it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a >>>>> computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked >>>>> to an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP >>>>> 1020. >>>>> >>>>> Double-check all your steps. >>>>> >>>>> 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in >>>>> that file that it has a usb printer attached? >>>>> >>>>> 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? >>>>> >>>>> 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above >>>>> changes/settings? >>>>> >>>>> 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the >>>>> IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP >>>>> Laserjet 1000 as the printer? >>>>> >>>>> There are probably some things I'm missing here. Everybody, feel free >>>>> to add to my list. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The problem I think is that its not really a printer until the computer >>>> uploads the firmware and tells it that it is a printer , this is why it >>>> needs to be connected to a pc with the drivers. >>>> >>>> Have you tried setting it up as a tcp/ip printer from a windows machine >>>> ? it might upload the firmware that way ??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> That could be. I successfully used an HP Laserjet 1020 on a thin client, >>> but that same printer had previously been attached to a Windows computer. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >> Since it works when hooked up directly to the K12LTSP server, why not >> just hook up a little cheapie "JetDirect-like" print server, make a >> print queue in the K12LTSP server, and put the printer wherever there's >> a network drop? >> >> Or would that not work for your situation? Is there a specific reason >> why it has to hang directly off of a thin client? >> >> > My understanding of the host-based printers is that they won't work if hooked to a print server if you attempt to communicate to it directly from a Windows machine. I think that magic that makes it work on a print server is the Linux driver. So you could hook it to a print server, but you'd need to configure and share the printer from a Linux machine. > > This is based on my recollection of when I had a similar problem about a year ago. My memory might be fading, though... > > -Rob > Sure, that's the idea. You could configure/share that printer from a Linux machine and have your Windows clients, if any, hit the Linux print queue, via either Samba or through CUPS's "LPR compatibility mode." Either one will work from pretty much any Windows machine. But unless I'm misreading the original question, it didn't seem to be about Windows machines, but rather getting the printer to work in a separate physical location from the K12LTSP server. I think that's why Joseph wanted to hang the printer off of a thin client. A little print server would work perfectly for this scenario. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 20:35:17 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:35:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to thank everyone for their replies. I've sort of merged the threads into one so that way I can address the different parts without sending off so many emails. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2009/1/30 Joseph Bishay : >> 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does >> not work with JetDirect (as per this site >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& >> docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and >> unsupported printers", of course. > > If it is working on server then only reason for it not to work on the > client is that the client does not have USB2 ports. Is that correct? > Then may be you need atleast one thin client that has SUB2 ports. > (This was how we got scanner working at a thin client). The thin client does has a working USB port -- when I plug the printer into the USB drive and boot the client, the bootup screen shows that it has recognized the usb device and prints out some messages about a usb driver being loaded (it scrolls too fast for me to see but it's definitely something that is not showing up on other clients without a usb device plugged into it). > Off chance do check the windows share or samba settings. Win98 use > plain text password whereas later releases used encrypted ...something > like that. Could that be a problem? The printer and directory shares from the Win 98 machine do not have any passwords on them. I can browse, open files, etc from the LTSP server without needing any username/password. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> 3) The printer cannot be plugged into a thin client because it does >> not work with JetDirect (as per this site >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/fastFaqLiteDocument?lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en& >> docname=bpj06101). My printer shows up under "Exceptions and >> unsupported printers", of course. >> > This applies to Windows only. This is a "host-based" printer, as HP calls it. That means (under Windows), it must be attached directly to a computer. It doesn't support jetdirect natively. When it gets hooked to an LTSP thin client, it should work though. I've done it with an HP 1020. This is good news that you were able to do it with an HP 1020 as it also is a host-based printer. However the HP 1020 doesn't show on on that HP page of exceptions so I wonder if that's why it was able to work. > Double-check all your steps. > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? [mac address of thin client with printer] Yes I have the following in lts.conf PRINTER_0_TYPE = U PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 MODULE_01 = usblp > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? No - I am using the mac address in lts.conf to specify it, and it does seem that the DHCP server is always giving that machine 192.168.2.250 as the IP. > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? Yes. > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? Yes I did this two ways -- once by taking the working local printer and redirecting it to the thin client. The other times by creating a new jetdirect printer in cups (and also via the admin panel printer control program) and creating it from scratch, specifying the HP 1000 and the correct driver. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:42:23AM -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >> Rob Owens wrote: >> Since it works when hooked up directly to the K12LTSP server, why not >> just hook up a little cheapie "JetDirect-like" print server, make a >> print queue in the K12LTSP server, and put the printer wherever there's >> a network drop? >> >> Or would that not work for your situation? Is there a specific reason >> why it has to hang directly off of a thin client? >> > My understanding of the host-based printers is that they won't work if hooked to a print server if you attempt to communicate to it directly from a Windows machine. I think that magic that makes it work on a print server is the Linux driver. So you could hook it to a print server, but you'd need to configure and share the printer from a Linux machine. I am trying to hang it off a thin client for 2 reasons -- 1) to get an extra computer in the room for students to use and 2) to move the server out of the room as the kids damage it. I thought by hooking it up to a windows computer would resolve this host issue, as it did before, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Ideally though it would be off a client. 2009/1/30 "Terrell Prud? Jr." : > > Sure, that's the idea. You could configure/share that printer from a Linux > machine and have your Windows clients, if any, hit the Linux print queue, > via either Samba or through CUPS's "LPR compatibility mode." Either one > will work from pretty much any Windows machine. Isn't that going to make the printer, attached to a Linux machine, availabe to a windows machine? I've sort of got the reverse problem. > But unless I'm misreading the original question, it didn't seem to be about > Windows machines, but rather getting the printer to work in a separate > physical location from the K12LTSP server. I think that's why Joseph wanted > to hang the printer off of a thin client. A little print server would work > perfectly for this scenario. That is correct. I can look into that little print device that connects to the printer but the issue there is time. It will take a while to ship and install it and I'm running against the clock (I'm still dealing with the 'if this was a windows lab it would already be up! sort of thinking!) Joseph From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 30 21:26:34 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:35:17PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? > > [mac address of thin client with printer] > Yes I have the following in lts.conf > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > MODULE_01 = usblp > The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. > > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? > > No - I am using the mac address in lts.conf to specify it, and it does > seem that the DHCP server is always giving that machine 192.168.2.250 > as the IP. > That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. > > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? > > Yes. > > > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? > > Yes I did this two ways -- once by taking the working local printer > and redirecting it to the thin client. The other times by creating a > new jetdirect printer in cups (and also via the admin panel printer > control program) and creating it from scratch, specifying the HP 1000 > and the correct driver. > Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jan 30 21:35:12 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090130213512.GG15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:26:34PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:35:17PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? > > > > [mac address of thin client with printer] > > Yes I have the following in lts.conf > > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > > MODULE_01 = usblp > > > The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. > > > > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? > > > > No - I am using the mac address in lts.conf to specify it, and it does > > seem that the DHCP server is always giving that machine 192.168.2.250 > > as the IP. > > > That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. > > > > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? > > > > Yes. > > > > > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? > > > > Yes I did this two ways -- once by taking the working local printer > > and redirecting it to the thin client. The other times by creating a > > new jetdirect printer in cups (and also via the admin panel printer > > control program) and creating it from scratch, specifying the HP 1000 > > and the correct driver. > > > Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: > http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky > See if this helps too: http://markmail.org/message/zjezrgej4cqfeqam -Rob From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 23:01:23 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:01:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130213512.GG15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090130213512.GG15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: sorry but both those links give me a 500 internal server error. Do they require some sort of login? Thank you Joseph On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:26:34PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:35:17PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: >> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? >> > >> > [mac address of thin client with printer] >> > Yes I have the following in lts.conf >> > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >> > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 >> > MODULE_01 = usblp >> > >> The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. >> >> > > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? >> > >> > No - I am using the mac address in lts.conf to specify it, and it does >> > seem that the DHCP server is always giving that machine 192.168.2.250 >> > as the IP. >> > >> That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. >> >> > > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? >> > >> > Yes. >> > >> > > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? >> > >> > Yes I did this two ways -- once by taking the working local printer >> > and redirecting it to the thin client. The other times by creating a >> > new jetdirect printer in cups (and also via the admin panel printer >> > control program) and creating it from scratch, specifying the HP 1000 >> > and the correct driver. >> > >> Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: >> http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky >> > See if this helps too: http://markmail.org/message/zjezrgej4cqfeqam > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 00:20:51 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:20:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090130213512.GG15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Nevermind - they loaded now. Strange! On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Joseph Bishay wrote: > sorry but both those links give me a 500 internal server error. Do > they require some sort of login? > > Thank you > Joseph > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Rob Owens wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:26:34PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:35:17PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: >>> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >>> > > 1) Is the thin client listed in lts.conf, and are you specifying in that file that it has a usb printer attached? >>> > >>> > [mac address of thin client with printer] >>> > Yes I have the following in lts.conf >>> > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >>> > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 >>> > MODULE_01 = usblp >>> > >>> The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. >>> >>> > > 2) Does the thin client have a static IP address? >>> > >>> > No - I am using the mac address in lts.conf to specify it, and it does >>> > seem that the DHCP server is always giving that machine 192.168.2.250 >>> > as the IP. >>> > >>> That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. >>> >>> > > 3) Have you rebooted the thin client after making the above changes/settings? >>> > >>> > Yes. >>> > >>> > > 4) Have you configured a jetdirect printer in cups which points to the IP address or hostname of the correct thin client? Did you specify HP Laserjet 1000 as the printer? >>> > >>> > Yes I did this two ways -- once by taking the working local printer >>> > and redirecting it to the thin client. The other times by creating a >>> > new jetdirect printer in cups (and also via the admin panel printer >>> > control program) and creating it from scratch, specifying the HP 1000 >>> > and the correct driver. >>> > >>> Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: >>> http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky >>> >> See if this helps too: http://markmail.org/message/zjezrgej4cqfeqam >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 01:45:28 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:45:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: ldap only checks first 8 characters of password Message-ID: <20090131014528.GH15087@junker.owens.net> My openldap users only need to correctly enter the first 8 digits of their password in order to be authenticated. My local users need to enter more than that (I didn't check for a limit, but it's more than 8). Does anybody know how to change this behavior? -Rob From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 01:51:19 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:51:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Hello, On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. I have removed the line from lts.conf but it has made no difference. > That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. I don't quite now how to set the static IP but since it seems to be working OK for now I'll put that on the back burner. > Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: > http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky I tried the directions listed here and I am able to telnet to the usb printer machine port 9100 successfully. However it does not register or print out any of the text I type or eject a page as is suggested in the link. Joseph From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 01:52:50 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:52:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: ldap only checks first 8 characters of password In-Reply-To: <20090131014528.GH15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090131014528.GH15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090131015250.GI15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:45:28PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > My openldap users only need to correctly enter the first 8 digits of their password in order to be authenticated. My local users need to enter more than that (I didn't check for a limit, but it's more than 8). Does anybody know how to change this behavior? > Hmm, I just realized this only occurs after I use the 'passwd' utility to change my ldap password. The change seems to work, but with the 8-character limitation I mentioned above. Note that I'm not using the smbldap-installer setup on this particular ldap server. There is no samba component at all. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 02:00:25 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:00:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: ldap only checks first 8 characters of password In-Reply-To: <20090131015250.GI15087@junker.owens.net> References: <20090131014528.GH15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131015250.GI15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090131020025.GJ15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:45:28PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > My openldap users only need to correctly enter the first 8 digits of their password in order to be authenticated. My local users need to enter more than that (I didn't check for a limit, but it's more than 8). Does anybody know how to change this behavior? > > > Hmm, I just realized this only occurs after I use the 'passwd' utility to change my ldap password. The change seems to work, but with the 8-character limitation I mentioned above. > > Note that I'm not using the smbldap-installer setup on this particular ldap server. There is no samba component at all. > I don't believe it. I figured out the answer 5 minutes after posting the question (and I had been looking for the answer for hours). It was as simple as putting this in /etc/pam_ldap.conf: pam_password md5 (The previous value was: pam_password crypt) Hope this helps someone. The system in question is a Debian Lenny machine. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 02:26:01 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:26:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:51:19PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > The module should be loaded automatically. Try removing the MODULE_01 line and see if that makes any difference. It should not be needed, but it also probably isn't hurting. Still, remove it just to check. > > I have removed the line from lts.conf but it has made no difference. > > > That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. > > I don't quite now how to set the static IP but since it seems to be > working OK for now I'll put that on the back burner. > You'd do it like this in dhcpd.conf: host myhost { hardware ethernet 00:0e:35:71:e0:16; #mac address fixed-address 192.168.0.249; #static IP address } > > Sounds like you're doing it right. I'm trying to find a list of local printer troubleshooting steps that I used a couple years ago. In the meantime, see if this gives you any clues: > > http://markmail.org/message/6innkludtrespdky > > I tried the directions listed here and I am able to telnet to the usb > printer machine port 9100 successfully. However it does not register > or print out any of the text I type or eject a page as is suggested in > the link. > Then I'm out of suggestions besides this: Try that printer on the server again. Set it up and make sure it works. Then verify that you've used the same exact settings (printer model, driver, etc) when you had it hooked up to the thin client. Not exactly expert advice, but it's all I've got left! -Rob From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 02:27:38 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:57:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130141655.GC14584@junker.owens.net> <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <774593a20901301827l523fb0cle2448bcbeea4ca82@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/31 Joseph Bishay : >> That is normal behavior for a DHCP server, but you still should set a static IP address so it's guaranteed not to change. Looks like that isn't your problem, though, if you're always getting the same IP address. > > I don't quite now how to set the static IP but since it seems to be > working OK for now I'll put that on the back burner. > No. This is essential. Without static IP you can not get jet direct to work. The way is to add the MAC address of the client and the IP to be given in the dhcpd.conf file. Whne you are connecting only one client you will get same IP but this will change when many clients are booting and the order is first come first served by dhcpd service. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 02:29:50 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:59:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> References: <49830D59.7030507@mumby.co.za> <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/31 Rob Owens : >> >> I tried the directions listed here and I am able to telnet to the usb >> printer machine port 9100 successfully. However it does not register >> or print out any of the text I type or eject a page as is suggested in >> the link. >> > Then I'm out of suggestions besides this: Try that printer on the server again. Set it up and make sure it works. Then verify that you've used the same exact settings (printer model, driver, etc) when you had it hooked up to the thin client. > I do not remember the modle but one of the HP printers in past needed me to give a command line initialization string every time it was started and that could only be done at the server. Is your printer also similar? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 02:33:38 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:33:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2009/1/31 Rob Owens : > > I do not remember the modle but one of the HP printers in past needed > me to give a command line initialization string every time it was > started and that could only be done at the server. Is your printer > also similar? Yes this printer is similar to that. You can see that on this page describing how it works in Linux http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 "The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. You can use a hotplug/udev script which comes with foo2zjs, or do it manually: "cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > /dev/usb/lp0". " Not sure if this means that this can also be done if it is on a client. Joseph From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 02:39:29 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:39:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Just to test things and narrow down the variables, I hooked up an old OKI parallel port printer to the same client, configured it in lts.conf, uploaded the PPD file into CUPS and it prints no problem! I used the HP jetDirect option to direct the server to that printer. Not sure if this means that it is a fundamental problem with the printer :( Joseph From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 02:48:58 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:48:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bad form to reply to my own email but one more thing! I noticed something unusual but I think is good. I deleted all the printers that I had created on the server. Once I confirmed that they are all gone, I restarted CUPS. When I went in and asked it to list all the printers, cups automatically regenerated the entry for the usb printer, with the Device URI: socket://192.168.2.250:9100 -- that is the correct one. Could it be detecting it from the client's USB connection? I know if I plug the printer into the server it does the same thing. This automatically generated printer entry still does not print though. It just sends and vanishes. No error. Joseph On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Just to test things and narrow down the variables, I hooked up an old > OKI parallel port printer to the same client, configured it in > lts.conf, uploaded the PPD file into CUPS and it prints no problem! I > used the HP jetDirect option to direct the server to that printer. > > Not sure if this means that it is a fundamental problem with the printer :( > > Joseph > From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 03:11:15 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:11:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130144527.GD14584@junker.owens.net> <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090131031115.GA18576@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:33:38PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > > 2009/1/31 Rob Owens : > > > > I do not remember the modle but one of the HP printers in past needed > > me to give a command line initialization string every time it was > > started and that could only be done at the server. Is your printer > > also similar? > > > Yes this printer is similar to that. You can see that on this page > describing how it works in Linux > > http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 > > "The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. You > can use a hotplug/udev script which comes with foo2zjs, or do it > manually: "cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > > /dev/usb/lp0". " Try running that command on the thin client itself. You'll need in lts.conf: SCREEN_02 = shell This will let you hit ctrl-alt-f2 on the thin client and get a shell. You'll need to put the sihp1000.dl file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware on the server, so it will be available to the thin client. (That directory will need to be created). Then run that command and see if it works. This printer seems to be different than the HP 1020 which worked for me... -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 03:12:44 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:12:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090131031244.GB18576@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:48:58PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Bad form to reply to my own email but one more thing! > > I noticed something unusual but I think is good. I deleted all the > printers that I had created on the server. Once I confirmed that they > are all gone, I restarted CUPS. When I went in and asked it to list > all the printers, cups automatically regenerated the entry for the usb > printer, with the Device URI: socket://192.168.2.250:9100 -- that is > the correct one. Could it be detecting it from the client's USB > connection? I know if I plug the printer into the server it does the > same thing. > I don't think it's detecting it on the thin client. Is/was that printer configured on another Linux box? It may be detecting it from there, even though the printer is no longer attached to that box. -Rob From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 03:16:04 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:16:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <20090131031244.GB18576@junker.owens.net> References: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> <20090131031244.GB18576@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: Hello, Just before you sent me that email I did exactly that. Put the file into the chroot, and ran it from the client shell and the printer seemed to accept the firmware. In windows it always does what can best be described as a 'hiccup' when it gets the firmware and it did exactly that! So this is a good thing. I also agree with you that it's not detecting it from the client. I think because it was on the server in the past it's detecting it there. I will try to add it again. Joseph On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:48:58PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: >> Bad form to reply to my own email but one more thing! >> >> I noticed something unusual but I think is good. I deleted all the >> printers that I had created on the server. Once I confirmed that they >> are all gone, I restarted CUPS. When I went in and asked it to list >> all the printers, cups automatically regenerated the entry for the usb >> printer, with the Device URI: socket://192.168.2.250:9100 -- that is >> the correct one. Could it be detecting it from the client's USB >> connection? I know if I plug the printer into the server it does the >> same thing. >> > I don't think it's detecting it on the thin client. Is/was that printer configured on another Linux box? It may be detecting it from there, even though the printer is no longer attached to that box. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 03:22:04 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:22:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> <20090131031244.GB18576@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just a LITTLE EXCITED HERE!!!!!!! ARGH!!!! I had just actually started to look into buying another printer when I got it to work!!!!!!!!!!! OK so here's what I did to make it work. Copied the firmware to the /opt/ area as indicated above. ran the cat > lp0 command Went into cups and deleted and recreated a new printer that points directly to the thin client using the IP address and port 9100 Printed a test page and it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Unreal. OK so now I guess the question that remain relate to making it permanent. how do I issue that cat command from the client each time it boots? And how do I get rid of this phantom printer that shows up in cups? SWEET!!!! I feel like I need to celebrate somehow but I'm in a computer lab right now. Joseph From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 04:30:42 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:00:42 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <49831FDF.8010907@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20901302030k1c2c18h372a3bceda8d721c@mail.gmail.com> > > "The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. You > can use a hotplug/udev script which comes with foo2zjs, or do it > manually: "cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > > /dev/usb/lp0". " > Okay. Now we are getting some where... If you do not have any USB port (USB2 only) on the client then you can connect this only at a server or a windows machine. (which is what you were trying to do). If you have a USB2 port then in the current LTSP version (5+) you probably need to set up local application to give this commend line. As giving it at shell on terminal will actually send this to the server port itself. Or you can try something like: cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > IP:/dev/usb/lp Note I have used probably and maybe as I have not tested this out ever. On a win machine this is connected as a print share and drivers are all loaded by the windows machine so should not have been a problem if you use cups and define as smb (samba) printer. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 04:33:39 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:03:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <774593a20901302030k1c2c18h372a3bceda8d721c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090130173107.GB15087@junker.owens.net> <498343A0.6050805@cmosnetworks.com> <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20901302030k1c2c18h372a3bceda8d721c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20901302033k17319478v55e678c24ad144f0@mail.gmail.com> BAD form Top reply and reply to my own...seems like you got there before my last mail did. Just saw it that you have reached a solution..Good. -- Sudev 2009/1/31 Sudev Barar : >> >> "The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. You >> can use a hotplug/udev script which comes with foo2zjs, or do it >> manually: "cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > >> /dev/usb/lp0". " >> > > > Okay. Now we are getting some where... > > If you do not have any USB port (USB2 only) on the client then you can > connect this only at a server or a windows machine. (which is what you > were trying to do). If you have a USB2 port then in the current LTSP > version (5+) you probably need to set up local application to give > this commend line. As giving it at shell on terminal will actually > send this to the server port itself. Or you can try something like: > cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > IP:/dev/usb/lp > > > Note I have used probably and maybe as I have not tested this out ever. > > On a win machine this is connected as a print share and drivers are > all loaded by the windows machine so should not have been a problem if > you use cups and define as smb (samba) printer. > > -- From burke at thealmquists.net Thu Jan 29 23:55:45 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:55:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT and connections through it. In-Reply-To: <4980051F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4980051F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I need some assistance. We have a computer lab that has 192.168.x.x > ips running from a linux box with two NICs in it. The lab is > conencted to one NIC. the other NIC is connected to the rest of the > network on a 10.40.x.x address. > > How do I configure NAT to allow a connection to a specific computer > on the 10.40.x.x network using NAT? Are the computers in the lab thin clients? If they are your shouldn't even need NAT. If they aren't, the NAT service should allow connections to be established from the lab to computers outside the lab. If you want computers outside the lab to initiate a connection, you need to manually forward addresses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmCQgEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5Gl6wCeKnBJjEHigb9T2k4/CQ7uFpZC cesAnjbcqu2gZ+A9Zxuba8FqEU8XnRXI =fbsS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rowens at ptd.net Sat Jan 31 13:58:26 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:58:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: References: <20090130212634.GF15087@junker.owens.net> <20090131022600.GK15087@junker.owens.net> <774593a20901301829r5ab8337dk16287d25d888b53c@mail.gmail.com> <20090131031244.GB18576@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <20090131135826.GB21590@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:22:04PM -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm just a LITTLE EXCITED HERE!!!!!!! > > ARGH!!!! I had just actually started to look into buying another > printer when I got it to work!!!!!!!!!!! > > OK so here's what I did to make it work. > > Copied the firmware to the /opt/ area as indicated above. > > ran the cat > lp0 command > > Went into cups and deleted and recreated a new printer that points > directly to the thin client using the IP address and port 9100 > > Printed a test page and it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > > Unreal. > > OK so now I guess the question that remain relate to making it > permanent. how do I issue that cat command from the client each time > it boots? And how do I get rid of this phantom printer that shows up > in cups? > Glad it worked! I'm not sure how to run the cat command at each boot. Try starting another thread specific to that question -- it might attract more attention. Try deleting the phantom printer again. If that doesn't work, try deselecting "show all printers on the network" (or something like that). Restart cups and see if the printer disappears. Cups has the ability to automatically add to your local machine all cups-configured printers on your entire network. That could be where the "phantom" is coming from. -Rob From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 31 15:07:07 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:07:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! Message-ID: <1233414427.9590.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Joseph, 1.On the TC you have the HP connected to,via usb ,you will need an entry in your lts.conf file so that the TC detects the printer at boot up. 2. You should have this TC setup with a static Ip for sure. 3. (lts.conf entry; [ws001] MODULE_01 = usblp PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = U Now when the TC boots up at the end of the rolling text ,before Xconfig hits you should see "printer HP connected via usb". Also it does not make any difference if this TC has usb1.1 or usb2.0 ports. Your entries in the CUPS config looks correct. The TC (& K12LTSP server), simply is not detecting the usb attached printer at bootup. You can of course use this printer from any of the TC's in the lab to print to as well ( providing this TC is turned on),,,:). Take Care, Barry Cisna From pxeboot at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 20:38:43 2009 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:38:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very frustrating! In-Reply-To: <1233414427.9590.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1233414427.9590.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At some point and time you will have to determine how much is your time and frustration worth. A network-able laser printer can be bought for about $150 or less nowadays. Why not just pick a printer that you know will work? IMHO, usb-only printer as not well suited for more than a couple of users especially when they attached to Windows machine. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Joseph, > > 1.On the TC you have the HP connected to,via usb ,you will need > an entry in your lts.conf file so that the TC detects the printer at > boot up. > 2. You should have this TC setup with a static Ip for sure. > 3. (lts.conf entry; > > [ws001] > > MODULE_01 = usblp > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U > > Now when the TC boots up at the end of the rolling text ,before Xconfig > hits you should see "printer HP connected via usb". > Also it does not make any difference if this TC has usb1.1 or usb2.0 > ports. > Your entries in the CUPS config looks correct. The TC (& K12LTSP > server), simply is not detecting the usb attached printer at bootup. > You can of course use this printer from any of the TC's in the lab to > print to as well ( providing this TC is turned on),,,:). > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: