From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 18:05:37 2014 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:05:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone thinking of RHEL/CentOS 7 yet? Message-ID: And if so are you on the CentOS mail list? It looks like the relationship between Red Hat and CentOS is changing in a way that will eventually make custom rebuilds easier for 3rd parties so it might be possible to make a 'works as installed' version like the old K12LTSP. And someone has already mentioned the possibility of a 32-bit build that might be useful with LTSP. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Jan 10 17:43:01 2014 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:43:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Two Web Site Questions Message-ID: <8A9474DDF7A92E44B474CBFE447C87C97368DCCB@EX10MAIL2.westat.com> Two things: In the footer added to e-mails for this list is the URL: http://www.k12os.org which seems to be some site in Japanese. Is that something on my end or has that site gone away? If it's gone away, then it should probably not be in the e-mail footer any more. Is there a k12os site any more? On the K12Linux site (https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/) it says that K12Linux EL6 is the long-term supported LTSP distribution that will receive updates until the year 2017. On the CentOS site, however, it lists 2017 as the EOL for CentOS 5, with 6 being supported until 30 Nov 2020. -- Henry From gianluca.cecchi at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 13:44:33 2014 From: gianluca.cecchi at gmail.com (Gianluca Cecchi) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:44:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Two Web Site Questions In-Reply-To: <8A9474DDF7A92E44B474CBFE447C87C97368DCCB@EX10MAIL2.westat.com> References: <8A9474DDF7A92E44B474CBFE447C87C97368DCCB@EX10MAIL2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: > Two things: > > In the footer added to e-mails for this list is the URL: http://www.k12os.org which seems to be some site in Japanese. Is that something on my end or has that site gone away? If it's gone away, then it should probably not be in the e-mail footer any more. Is there a k12os site any more? > > On the K12Linux site (https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/) it says that K12Linux EL6 is the long-term supported LTSP distribution that will receive updates until the year 2017. On the CentOS site, however, it lists 2017 as the EOL for CentOS 5, with 6 being supported until 30 Nov 2020. > > -- > Henry I confirm this at my side too (Italy). I land into a Japanese based page. Looking for domain info; Domain ID:D164758308-LROR Domain Name:K12OS.ORG Created On:19-Feb-2012 14:30:35 UTC Last Updated On:05-Jan-2014 02:53:22 UTC Expiration Date:19-Feb-2015 14:30:35 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:OK ... Registrant Country:JP So possibly the original one had timeout and name picked up? Anyway I do agree to keep off the footer as it is no longer related to the project itself. Gianluca From news at siddall.name Sun Jan 12 00:00:16 2014 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:00:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Two Web Site Questions In-Reply-To: References: <8A9474DDF7A92E44B474CBFE447C87C97368DCCB@EX10MAIL2.westat.com> Message-ID: <52D1DB10.5050200@siddall.name> On 01/11/2014 08:44 AM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: >> Two things: >> >> In the footer added to e-mails for this list is the URL: http://www.k12os.org which seems to be some site in Japanese. Is that something on my end or has that site gone away? If it's gone away, then it should probably not be in the e-mail footer any more. Is there a k12os site any more? I believe the site used to be called k12osn.org. I think it is an old link and a typo combined. >> On the K12Linux site (https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/) it says that K12Linux EL6 is the long-term supported LTSP distribution that will receive updates until the year 2017. On the CentOS site, however, it lists 2017 as the EOL for CentOS 5, with 6 being supported until 30 Nov 2020. IIRC Red Hat changed their lifecycle to extend support for 3 additional years some time back, probably since the support dates for K12Linux were established. I expect nothing will stop working in 2017 since really nothing will change on that date. RHEL6 goes "end of production on November 30 2020. Jeff From littlesandra88 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 07:44:47 2014 From: littlesandra88 at gmail.com (Sandra Schlichting) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:44:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? Message-ID: Hello all =) Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained for EL6. Does anyone know if it is as good and healthy as LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04? Hugs, Sandra =) From radek at bursztynowski.waw.pl Wed Jan 15 11:36:53 2014 From: radek at bursztynowski.waw.pl (Radek Bursztynowski) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:36:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? Message-ID: <18403425.981389785813198.JavaMail.root@poczta.bursztynowski.waw.pl> Hello, I use K12Linux in two localization permanently more than 18 mounts and I am very satisfied. I made few corrections and I use older thin client image (most people recommend the newest one). I couldn't compare to Ubuntu, but my installations on CentOS 6.5 x86_64 (upgraded from CentOS 6.3 -> 6.4 -> 6.5 and from LTSP 5.2 to 5.4) work fine and I can confirm there are stable including both cooperation: with Linux and Windows. You can find "Status of LTSP in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 / Centos 6 / Scietnific Linux 6" here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora. I didn't test LTSP on Fedora. I like Fedora, but Fedora is changed to fast for me to use Fedora as a productive server. The people say in my country: every rose has its thorns. Identically is with CentOS and LTSP. But I customized environment, collected experience and now I use this combination. I looked for stable environment for LTSP and I found them - CentOS 6.x. There are my experiences. Best regards, Radek --- Hello all =) Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained for EL6. Does anyone know if it is as good and healthy as LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04? Hugs, Sandra =) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ; From littlesandra88 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 11:51:29 2014 From: littlesandra88 at gmail.com (Sandra Schlichting) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:51:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? In-Reply-To: <18403425.981389785813198.JavaMail.root@poczta.bursztynowski.waw.pl> References: <18403425.981389785813198.JavaMail.root@poczta.bursztynowski.waw.pl> Message-ID: Hi Radek, That is very interesting. Are you using CentOS instead of Fedora for the desktop OS that is distributed to the thin clients? Hugs, Sandra =) On 15 January 2014 12:36, Radek Bursztynowski wrote: > Hello, > > I use K12Linux in two localization permanently more than 18 mounts and I am very satisfied. I made few corrections and I use older thin client image (most people recommend the newest one). I couldn't compare to Ubuntu, but my installations on CentOS 6.5 x86_64 (upgraded from CentOS 6.3 -> 6.4 -> 6.5 and from LTSP 5.2 to 5.4) work fine and I can confirm there are stable including both cooperation: with Linux and Windows. > > You can find "Status of LTSP in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 / Centos 6 / Scietnific Linux 6" here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora. > > I didn't test LTSP on Fedora. I like Fedora, but Fedora is changed to fast for me to use Fedora as a productive server. > > The people say in my country: every rose has its thorns. Identically is with CentOS and LTSP. But I customized environment, collected experience and now I use this combination. I looked for stable environment for LTSP and I found them - CentOS 6.x. There are my experiences. > > Best regards, > Radek > > --- > > Hello all =) > > Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really > figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained > for EL6. > > Does anyone know if it is as good and healthy as LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04? > > Hugs, > Sandra =) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ; > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From radek at bursztynowski.waw.pl Wed Jan 15 12:28:20 2014 From: radek at bursztynowski.waw.pl (Radek Bursztynowski) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:28:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? Message-ID: <28416369.1101389788900466.JavaMail.root@poczta.bursztynowski.waw.pl> I am not sure that I understand your question the best. K12Linux offers thin client image based on CentOS (previously on Scientific Linux 6.1 and few years ago on Fedora 14 and 11, 10, 9). So thin client on boot stage downloads Scientific Linux or CentOS or Fedora OS from the server (Scientific Linux or Fedora OS - if somebody has older version of theses images and properly configured LTSP server is). But which environment the user uses - it is separated matter. Owing to LDM mechanism and protocols we can offer user different environment: Fedora, CentOS, SUSE, Windows and others. So, my quite new thin clients (i686) use Scientific Linux image (OS), sometimes CentOS (x86_64), older (i586) - Fedora 11. Owing to theses images I reached whole expected functionality including multimedia, local devices (DVD-RW with write option too). Radek -------- Hi Radek, That is very interesting. Are you using CentOS instead of Fedora for the desktop OS that is distributed to the thin clients? Hugs, Sandra =) On 15 January 2014 12:36, Radek Bursztynowski wrote: > Hello, > > I use K12Linux in two localization permanently more than 18 mounts and I am very satisfied. I made few corrections and I use older thin client image (most people recommend the newest one). I couldn't compare to Ubuntu, but my installations on CentOS 6.5 x86_64 (upgraded from CentOS 6.3 -> 6.4 -> 6.5 and from LTSP 5.2 to 5.4) work fine and I can confirm there are stable including both cooperation: with Linux and Windows. > > You can find "Status of LTSP in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 / Centos 6 / Scietnific Linux 6" here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora. > > I didn't test LTSP on Fedora. I like Fedora, but Fedora is changed to fast for me to use Fedora as a productive server. > > The people say in my country: every rose has its thorns. Identically is with CentOS and LTSP. But I customized environment, collected experience and now I use this combination. I looked for stable environment for LTSP and I found them - CentOS 6.x. There are my experiences. > > Best regards, > Radek > > --- > > Hello all =) > > Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really > figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained > for EL6. > > Does anyone know if it is as good and healthy as LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04? > > Hugs, > Sandra =) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ;; > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ; _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ; From william at fragakis.com Thu Jan 16 15:55:46 2014 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:55:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1389887746.6807.114.camel@server.ltsp> To add what Radek said very well, LTSP on EL platforms (we use Scientific Linux) is very "production ready" in that it works, is very stable and using an EL release allows us to use the same basic platform for both LTSP and KVM (virtual machine) servers that are up for months at a time. I used to use the old K12 distributions based on Fedora but Fedora's short lifespans and a period from F15-18 that weren't LTSP friendly made it hard to maintain in an office environment that has to be up year round. In an academic environment where you have summer or vacation breaks to tune and update your software, that's not as big an issue. As well, there were some pretty big (good) changes back in the day in succeeding versions of Fedora and how it played with LTSP (eg pulseaudio) that had us looking forward to new versions. LTSP continues to be very effective for us after more than six years of use not only in cost savings but in reliability and flexibility. Best regards, William On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:36:53 +0100 > From: Radek Bursztynowski > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > , k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? > Message-ID: > <18403425.981389785813198.JavaMail.root at poczta.bursztynowski.waw.pl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > I use K12Linux in two localization permanently more than 18 mounts and > I am very satisfied. I made few corrections and I use older thin > client image (most people recommend the newest one). I couldn't > compare to Ubuntu, but my installations on CentOS 6.5 x86_64 (upgraded > from CentOS 6.3 -> 6.4 -> 6.5 and from LTSP 5.2 to 5.4) work fine and > I can confirm there are stable including both cooperation: with Linux > and Windows. > > You can find "Status of LTSP in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 / Centos > 6 / Scietnific Linux 6" here: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora. > > I didn't test LTSP on Fedora. I like Fedora, but Fedora is changed to > fast for me to use Fedora as a productive server. > > The people say in my country: every rose has its thorns. Identically > is with CentOS and LTSP. But I customized environment, collected > experience and now I use this combination. I looked for stable > environment for LTSP and I found them - CentOS 6.x. There are my > experiences. > > Best regards, > Radek From news at siddall.name Thu Jan 16 15:58:33 2014 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:58:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52D801A9.8070808@siddall.name> On 01/15/2014 02:44 AM, Sandra Schlichting wrote: > Hello all =) > > Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really > figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained > for EL6. Can't comment on how actively it is maintained because I haven't looked in the years since I first set it up, but it does work. I run a couple of production servers are very stable (as you would expect with an RHEL based system). The only real issue I have is most users want to run KDE but kwin crashes when used with LTSP. It kindly offers to use metacity instead which works acceptably. Jeff From johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be Mon Jan 20 10:14:33 2014 From: johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be (johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:14:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <644415902.41713780.1390212873099.JavaMail.root@telenet.be> Hello, replying to this with some delay ( and not sure what others replied ) It has to be at least as good as ltsp on Ubuntu. I run k12linux on some 15 sites now, it almost never fails. Greetings, J. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Sandra Schlichting" Aan: k12osn at redhat.com Verzonden: Woensdag 15 januari 2014 08:44:47 Onderwerp: [K12OSN] Is K12Linux el6 actively maintained? Hello all =) Based on the K12Linux website and their mailinglist, I can't really figure out if it is a production ready product and actively maintained for EL6. Does anyone know if it is as good and healthy as LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04? Hugs, Sandra =) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be Fri Jan 24 15:01:09 2014 From: johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be (johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:01:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] id-card reader on K12Linux Message-ID: <468953763.48634193.1390575669515.JavaMail.root@telenet.be> dear All, I'm trying to connect an id-card reader to a thinclient. To make this work, I have Firefox and the id-card reader program running as local apps. But the usb-cardreader is not seen by the thinclient. I tried two types of thinclient, one with and one without a hard drive. In lts.conf I have added localapps=True, the user is added to fuse group, so he can use usb's. Can anyone advise on what more is needed to make this work? Friendly regards, J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at siddall.name Sat Jan 25 16:02:52 2014 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:02:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] id-card reader on K12Linux In-Reply-To: <468953763.48634193.1390575669515.JavaMail.root@telenet.be> References: <468953763.48634193.1390575669515.JavaMail.root@telenet.be> Message-ID: <52E3E02C.3060504@siddall.name> On 01/24/2014 10:01 AM, johan.vermeulen7 at telenet.be wrote: > dear All, > > I'm trying to connect an id-card reader to a thinclient. > > To make this work, I have Firefox and the id-card reader program running > as local apps. > > But the usb-cardreader is not seen by the thinclient. I tried two types > of thinclient, one with and one without a hard drive. What do you mean "is not seen"? When you connect to the local console of the client and tail /var/log/messages you should see something about a USB device being disconnected/reconnected? If you do then it is being "seen". After that you need to make sure the chroot kernel and all supporting packages required by the reader are present _on the chroot_. > In lts.conf I have added localapps=True, the user is added to fuse > group, so he can use usb's. I assume you added the user to the fuse group on the server? If so then this won't affect the client directly but it's not likely an issue either way. Keep in mind that with respect to the USB id reader nothing configured on the server matters, only the chroot. Jeff