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Now, *there*, I agree.  Too many are still attached for dear life to
Reader Rabbit, if you can believe that.<br>
<br>
But I do know of a school that did replace KidPix with LTSP.  Why?  The
tech person at that school tells me that it takes 512MB DRAM *minimum*
for their latest version, and it prefers a GB.  In went K12LTSP!  The
teachers seem to like it, and the tech person loved the reduced
maintenance.<br>
<br>
Would it be at all possible to show this stuff (TuxType, etc.) to a
teacher that's friendly to you?  I've discovered that some of the
politics can be defused if you have a friendly teacher that's doing it
in tow when you go talk to the principal about it.<br>
<br>
--TP<br>
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Jeff Davis wrote:
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Technically, these would work.  Politically, It's a much greater
challenge.  <br>
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Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote:
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Hmm...for Type to Learn, why not use GTypist (older kids) or TuxType
(younger kids)?  For KidPix, why not use TuxPaint?  And for Reading
Counts, why not just use a book?  Any reason why these wouldn't work in
your situation?<br>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Would using
WINE be the same as “</span></font>Ericom
software – a Citrix alternative -- enabled the terminals to run the
district's
existing and irreplaceable Microsoft Windows educational applications,
including Type to Learn, Reading Counts and Kid Pix.” as stated in the
article?
We have those programs and I was planning on running them using WINE,
but I was
trying to figure out what they used.<font color="navy" face="Arial"
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Technology
Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Bolivar R-I <u1:place
 u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">School District</st1:place></u1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
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 face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a
 moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>pogson<br>
      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday,
March
02, 2007 8:37
AM<br>
      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
 w:st="on"><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
 href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com">k12osn@redhat.com</a></st1:PersonName><br>
      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [K12OSN]
OT:Microsoft
Windows ousted at <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>
school district</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
 style="font-size: 12pt;">The story is pretty sparse. It looks to me
that they had a couple of
issues:<br>
User permissions for files and thin clients. <br>
      <br>
I do not understand the comment that they had to add one user at a
time. That
is the Windows way. In Linux, one would use scripts and it would take
minutes.
Perhaps they had to get the info out of AD first... That makes sense if
they
wanted to keep users connected to their data. I had the privilege of
creating a
system with no user history. I created staff accounts from a list of
usernames
and created student accounts using APG (Automatic Password Generator).
I had
teachers associate student names with account userids. They could have
solved
their problems by grouping staff, teachers, students. Perhaps they had
staff
that moved between buildings...<br>
      <br>
I have never seen a Linux system that would not work with thin clients.
Use
LTSP to boot the thin clients and an X connection to whatever server
you run.<br>
      <br>
I guess they got locked into Suse and their way of doing things and it
did not
fit their setup. That is the problem with migration. You try to do the
same old
thing with the new system when it is unnatural. I say, make a clean
break with
the old system, automate account generation and migrate the data. If
Windows
will not produce clean text files with user information, scan the
system with a
Linux live CD or whatever to harvest the information. If file
directories match
usernames, and teachers and students are segragated it shoud be doable.<br>
      <br>
Robert Pogson<br>
      <br>
On Thu, 2007-01-03 at 20:32 -0500, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
 href="mailto:k12osn-request@redhat.com">k12osn-request@redhat.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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Chaves <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sergio@turbocorp.com">sergio@turbocorp.com</a>></span></font></tt><br>
      <tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Subject: [K12OSN] OT:Microsoft
Windows ousted at <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>
school</span></font></tt><br>
      <tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
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      <tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Message-ID: <<a
 moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:200703011316.15838.sergio@turbocorp.com">200703011316.15838.sergio@turbocorp.com</a>></span></font></tt><br>
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      <tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">It would be better if it was
LTSP but still a nice headline to
read on a rainy </span></font></tt><br>
      <tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">morning here in ATL.</span></font></tt><br>
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