<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> That I do have. We do monthly building meetings and I represent the tech department in mine. The teacher representatives husband is an IT Guy in the Guard who uses Linux exclusively at home and introduced it to the MOARNG years ago switching all but the desktop computers to it. If I can’t convince her then he will. Everything else the school uses is currently or will become a we app this summer, so really only reading counts is the only software I have to come up with a replacement or a fix.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Levi Kemp<o:p></o:p> Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p> Bolivar R-I <u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">School District</u1:place></st1:place><o:p></o:p> 417-328-8943<o:p></o:p> <a href="mailto:lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us">lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: k12osn-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prudé Jr." Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:42 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT:Microsoft Windows ousted at <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> school district<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Now, *there*, I agree. Too many are still attached for dear life to Reader Rabbit, if you can believe that. But I do know of a school that did replace KidPix with LTSP. Why? The tech person at that school tells me that it takes 512MB DRAM *minimum* for their latest version, and it prefers a GB. In went K12LTSP! The teachers seem to like it, and the tech person loved the reduced maintenance. Would it be at all possible to show this stuff (TuxType, etc.) to a teacher that's friendly to you? I've discovered that some of the politics can be defused if you have a friendly teacher that's doing it in tow when you go talk to the principal about it. --TP<o:p></o:p> <div> _______________________________ Do you GNU!? <a href="http://www.gnu.org/">Microsoft Free since 2003</a>--the ultimate antivirus protection! <o:p></o:p> </div> Jeff Davis wrote: <o:p></o:p> Technically, these would work. Politically, It's a much greater challenge. Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote: <o:p></o:p> Hmm...for Type to Learn, why not use GTypist (older kids) or TuxType (younger kids)? For KidPix, why not use TuxPaint? And for Reading Counts, why not just use a book? Any reason why these wouldn't work in your situation? --TP<o:p></o:p> <div> _______________________________ Do you GNU!? <a href="http://www.gnu.org/" moz-do-not-send=true>Microsoft Free since 2003</a>--the ultimate antivirus protection! <o:p></o:p> </div> Kemp, Levi wrote: <o:p></o:p> <u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType>Would using WINE be the same as “Ericom software – a Citrix alternative -- enabled the terminals to run the district's existing and irreplaceable Microsoft Windows educational applications, including Type to Learn, Reading Counts and Kid Pix.” as stated in the article? We have those programs and I was planning on running them using WINE, but I was trying to figure out what they used.<o:p></o:p> <u1:p></u1:p> <u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p> <div> Levi Kemp<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p> Technology Specialist<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p> Bolivar R-I <u2:place u3:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">School District</st1:place></u2:place><u1:p></u1:p></st1:place><o:p></o:p> 417-328-8943<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p> <a href="mailto:lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us" moz-do-not-send=true>lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <u1:p></u1:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: <a href="mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>k12osn-bounces@redhat.com</a> [<a href="mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com</a>] On Behalf Of pogson Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:37 AM To: <st1:PersonName u5:st="on"><a href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>k12osn@redhat.com</a></st1:PersonName> Subject: [K12OSN] OT:Microsoft Windows ousted at <st1:State u5:st="on"><st1:place u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State></st1:place></st1:State> school district<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p> </div> <u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p> The story is pretty sparse. It looks to me that they had a couple of issues: User permissions for files and thin clients. I do not understand the comment that they had to add one user at a time. That is the Windows way. In Linux, one would use scripts and it would take minutes. Perhaps they had to get the info out of AD first... That makes sense if they wanted to keep users connected to their data. I had the privilege of creating a system with no user history. I created staff accounts from a list of usernames and created student accounts using APG (Automatic Password Generator). I had teachers associate student names with account userids. They could have solved their problems by grouping staff, teachers, students. Perhaps they had staff that moved between buildings... I have never seen a Linux system that would not work with thin clients. Use LTSP to boot the thin clients and an X connection to whatever server you run. I guess they got locked into Suse and their way of doing things and it did not fit their setup. That is the problem with migration. You try to do the same old thing with the new system when it is unnatural. I say, make a clean break with the old system, automate account generation and migrate the data. If Windows will not produce clean text files with user information, scan the system with a Linux live CD or whatever to harvest the information. If file directories match usernames, and teachers and students are segragated it shoud be doable. Robert Pogson On Thu, 2007-01-03 at 20:32 -0500, <a href="mailto:k12osn-request@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>k12osn-request@redhat.com</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p> <u1:p></u1:p> <tt>From: Sergio Chaves <<a href="mailto:sergio@turbocorp.com" moz-do-not-send=true>sergio@turbocorp.com</a>></tt> <tt>Subject: [K12OSN] OT:Microsoft Windows ousted at <st1:State u5:st="on"><st1:place u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State></st1:place></st1:State> school</tt> <tt> district</tt> <tt>To: <a href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>k12osn@redhat.com</a></tt> <tt>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200703011316.15838.sergio@turbocorp.com" moz-do-not-send=true>200703011316.15838.sergio@turbocorp.com</a>></tt> <tt>Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</tt> <tt>It would be better if it was LTSP but still a nice headline to read on a rainy </tt> <tt>morning here in ATL.</tt> <tt><a href="http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1245710,00.htm" moz-do-not-send=true>http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1245710,00.htm</a></tt> <o:p></o:p> <u1:p></u1:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><pre><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-- <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>A problem is an opportunity.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></pre></td> </tr> </table> <u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p> <pre style='text-align:center' wrap=""> <hr size=4 width="90%" align=center> </pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>K12OSN mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send=true>K12OSN@redhat.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" moz-do-not-send=true>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>For more info see <a href="http://www.k12os.org" moz-do-not-send=true><http://www.k12os.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='text-align:center' wrap=""> <hr size=4 width="90%" align=center> </pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>K12OSN mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>For more info see <a href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre wrap="">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>K12OSN mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>For more info see <a href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></div> </body> </html>