Agree with it all. I got the school director of NCS (a charter school) to buy into OpenOffice/StarOffice and the rest of the philosophy. He then announced to the teachers that he was using it, and it was the standard at the school. Haven't had any issues since. Now, if I could just get the school districts to give it a try. <div>On 7/8/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <<a href="mailto:microman@cmosnetworks.com">microman@cmosnetworks.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> James, I agree with you. The best way to make that happen, I propose, is to go after the principals. The teachers, to keep their jobs, will do whatever the principal says do. IT departments, I've observed, are often overridden by a principal's wishes (that's true in my district--principals have a lot of pull). The IT dept. of a "Microsoft shop" will, as I'm sure you already know, buck and kick and do everything to discredit you ("we already have enough work to do!"). That's why principal buy-in is so important. Superintendents, generally former teachers and principals themselves, naturally sympathize with fellow "members of the club." We all of course regularly hear, "but MS Office formats are the *real world* standard, regardless of what this foreign thing called 'ISO' says." They've got a point; MS Office file formats *are* the "real world" standard right now. What's needed, I think, is a legal reason or the threat of negative PR somehow. The only way I can think of to do that is by making the case in the poorer districts where not everyone can afford gobs of money to spend on MS Office ("so you're actually focusing only on the wealthy kids?"). Same for places where they really need to upgrade their computer labs from Pentium II-333's running Windows 98 but cannot afford to buy a bunch of new PC's. Money talks, and we know what walks. Now that Dell is selling Ubuntu PC's, we can use the argument of "a Big, Reputable PC Company (TM) has now embraced OpenOffice." Matter of fact, Michael Dell himself runs an Ubuntu Feisty laptop and makes no secret of that fact. Thoughts? --TP <div>_______________________________ Do you GNU!? <a href="http://www.gnu.org/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Microsoft Free since 2003</a>--the ultimate antivirus protection! </div> James P. Kinney III wrote: <blockquote cite="http://mid1183904233.22864.269.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com" type="cite"><div> <pre>I hear repeatedly "We MUST use Microsoft office because that's what everyone has". I guess "lemmings" comes to mind... It really bothers me that people who in general will be writing just a few pages with a picture or two are brainwashed into believing they MUST have an application that will cost each pc more than the value of the pc each year in licensing. Thus enters OpenOffice.org What a fabulous application. Cross platform so Windows, Mac and Linux (and Solaris and SGI and...) user can all share files seamlessly. Yes I _still_ hear the argument "But people don't have OpenOffice at home so we can't use it". ????? It costs $0 to obtain a legal copy. So the often used rule in K12LTSP is to setup OpenOffice so the default output format is Microsoft Office format. Personally, I think that is a bad idea. It's just a short term kludge workaround to not having the resources to train people in how to "Save As". But Sun has stepped up and released the best solution - a plugin to Microsoft Office that can read and write OpenOffice format files. The file format of OpenOffice is an ISO standard right now. Make sure everyone keeps hearing that mantra - OpenOffice is standards compliant but Microsoft Office is not. Then offer the plugin to help bring Microsoft Office up to current world standards: <a href="http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/</a> Be sure to remind everyone that open document formats are just like knowledge: good for everyone. </pre> </div><pre><hr size="4" width="90%"> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a href="http://www.k12os.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><http://www.k12os.org></a></pre> </blockquote> </div> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" target="_blank"> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.k12os.org" target="_blank">http://www.k12os.org</a>> </blockquote> </div>