<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> You're right on both counts, of course. That was the point of demo'ing that file to her in three different versions of MS Word. Like I said, she got real quiet, real fast. As to your point about PDF's, I've seen that issue, too, especially when someone uses Arial Black. Cisco used to be notorious for doing this kind of thing. That's why, whenever I make a PDF, I go ahead and embed the typeface whenever possible. --TP <div class="moz-signature">_______________________________ Do you GNU!? <a href="http://www.gnu.org/">Microsoft Free since 2003</a>--the ultimate antivirus protection! </div> Daniel Bodanske wrote: <blockquote cite="midac9673bf0707091809i491adaefw6f1f858b49f72c42@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not a typesetting or desktop publishing program. A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded, there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that the correct term?). Dan On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:microman@cmosnetworks.com"><microman@cmosnetworks.com></a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite"> I use and like them as well. They are indeed close, but not quite exact. I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use OpenOffice.org). They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and actually complained! Reason? The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly in the same places (my printout vs. her screen display). They were close, but not exactly the same. Therefore, I decided on a little test. I then viewed the same document again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times New Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org exactly where they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003. She seemed to have a valid point at first. OK, let's continue testing, I thought. I fired up a Windows box w/ MS Word XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in each, using Times New Roman. Guess what? The paragraphs didn't land exactly where they had in MS Word 2003! Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000 had the paragraphs ending in slightly different places. So, I said to my MS Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word XP-using boss?" My colleague then got quiet. The test showed me two things. First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so compatible with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I didn't bother trying Word 97). Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't produce any layout changes greater than switching between different versions of Microsoft Word. A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to use MS Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant. Conclusion: the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to replace Times New Roman. Further, they are Free as in Freedom. I absolutely will continue to use them. I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts available, if only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft: WE WILL EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS. It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black Sea during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union. However, we should also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default typeface. If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: i second that :-) i use them too, and they are great! i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts families. it can be patched globally by editing the file: /{where OO is installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored. i'm attaching it. On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nils@breun.nl"><nils@breun.nl></a> wrote: > Hello, > > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts' > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts. > > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)." > > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead? > > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/">< https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ ></a> > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> > For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> > > ________________________________ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> </blockquote> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> </blockquote> </body> </html>