Julius has it correct I fear. You need to carry as many tscals as simultaneous connections.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/16/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Kemp, Levi</b> <<a href="mailto:lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us">
lnkemp@bolivar.k12.mo.us</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dave,<br> So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm wanting to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one app off of a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device cal? Or do I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the terminal server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP server is authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD account, is that an issue?
<br><br>Levi Kemp<br><br><br><br>________________________________<br><br> From: <a href="mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com">k12osn-bounces@redhat.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:k12osn-bounces@redhat.com">k12osn-bounces@redhat.com
</a>] On Behalf Of David Hopkins<br> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM<br> To: Support list for open source software in schools.<br> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services<br><br><br> Julius,
<br><br> If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per device that is connecting. Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device cals.
<br><br> Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them. At a school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an argument on this. Just found it interesting.
<br><br> Sincerely,<br> Dave Hopkins<br><br><br><br> On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz <<a href="mailto:julius@turtle.com">julius@turtle.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><br> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote:
<br><br> > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP<br> > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the<br> > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many
<br> > thin clients are connected. I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever<br> > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use. I think MS<br> > didn't think of this loophole.
<br> ><br> they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the<br> server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no<br> matter the value you get out of it.
<br> julius<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa <<a href="mailto:krsnendu108@gmail.com">krsnendu108@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > ><br> > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local
<br> > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip<br> > > address. i.e. another device<br> > ><br> > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip
<br> > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that<br> > > you can't access more than once from one ip address.<br> > ><br> > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens <
<a href="mailto:rowens@ptd.net">rowens@ptd.net</a>> wrote:<br> > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the<br> > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do. Like you said, I'm sure MS
<br> > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they<br> > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem.<br> > > ><br> > > > -Rob
<br> > > ><br> > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote:<br> > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device
<br> > > cals<br> > > > > cover 'per device'. From the windows side, every terminal session<br> > > coming in<br> > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1
<br> > > device,<br> > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am<br> > > sure<br> > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal
<br> > > server<br> > > > > itself. I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I<br> > > guess<br> > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they
<br> > > wanted.<br> > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor.<br> > > > ><br> > > > > Sincerely,
<br> > > > > Dave Hopkins<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <<a href="mailto:microman@cmosnetworks.com">
microman@cmosnetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >Roger Morris wrote:<br> > > > > >
<br> > > > > >John Lucas wrote:<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote:<br> > > > > >
<br> > > > > > Hi<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again? I believe I need the<br> > > > > >following:
<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >1) Windows Server<br> > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows<br> > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services.
<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as<br> > > > > >the above is properly licensed.
<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >Anything else required?<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > > Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode",
<br> > > > > > otherwise the<br> > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous<br> > > users.<br>
> > > > ><br> > > > > > to elaborate a little. in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required,<br> > > right?<br> > > > > >
<br> > > > > ><br> > > > > >Correct. You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only<br> > > two.<br> > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then
<br> > > that<br> > > > > >counts as a session. Thus, Windows XP will give you only one<br> > > terminal<br> > > > > >server session. Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be
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