<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Conrad Lawes wrote: <blockquote cite="mide2d76f000711231129v5b006fcdv68c4990fecf86692@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">I appreciate all the merits of Open Source. However, if there's no comparable open source option that will offer the same, if not better, end result then it's counter-productive to suggest an open source solution simply because it's not MS. </blockquote> I didn't. Read it again. <blockquote cite="mide2d76f000711231129v5b006fcdv68c4990fecf86692@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">For instance, suggesting a solution that is going to require replacing the current library system back-end just to satisfy the client-side requirements, IMHO would be over-kill, if not costly. </blockquote> Red herring. <blockquote cite="mide2d76f000711231129v5b006fcdv68c4990fecf86692@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">It seems to me that Jim is perfectly happy with the XP solution that is presently in place. He just doesn't want to upgrade to Vista. So again, I ask why not stick just with XP? </blockquote> Asked and answered. This time, actually read the reasons. :-) --TP <blockquote cite="mide2d76f000711231129v5b006fcdv68c4990fecf86692@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 23, 2007 2:00 PM, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <<a href="mailto:microman@cmosnetworks.com">microman@cmosnetworks.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hmm...several reasons: 1.) A system that actually *works* without major care and feeding. In short, a much, *MUCH* cheaper maintenance bill. 2.) A system with less up-front cost, in most cases, zero. Sure, this is small compared to maintenance, but it's still there. 3.) A system that actually supports truly open standards. 4.) A system that is virus free. 5.) A system that *you*, the user/sysadmin, can modify as you need. Yes, a lot of people actually do this! 6.) A system that actually gets updates right away, unlike MS ("oh, that WMF report is a feature, not a bug!") 7.) Freedom from license audit threats. Just ask Paul Nelson and other schools/libraries about that. 8.) A guarantee of "no piracy." It's impossible to "pirate" something that's Free, as in Freedom. 9.) The ability to, without any limitations, share that same software with whomever asks ("oh, your computer crashed? No prob, here's a Knoppix/Ubuntu/Fedora LiveCD so you can keep doing that book report"). Windows XP is a steaming pile of dung, and Vista is yet worse. And both are a legal trap, a big one. Thus, my two questions to you would be, 1.) Why would you want to go backwards to MS Windows, instead of forward to something actually good like GNU/Linux? 2.) Are you *asking* for a license compliance audit, like what happened to Portland Public Schools and many others? I trust you've read that Microsoft EULA.... --TP <div>_______________________________ Do you <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">GNU</a>? <a href="http://www.cmosnetworks.com" target="_blank">Microsoft Free since 2003</a>--the ultimate antivirus protection! </div> Conrad Lawes wrote: <blockquote cite="http://mide2d76f000711230647jcc5ef4ao4ab485437c7555cc@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <div> <div class="Wj3C7c">Dump question: Is there any reason why you can't continue using XP? Many OEMs offer customers the choice of staying with XP. Vista is not mandatory at least not yet. It is apparent (from this thread) that any other solution is going to require significant research time and investment. <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 21, 2007 10:42 AM, Jim Anderson <<a href="mailto:gotthin@gmail.com" target="_blank">gotthin@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello All, I am in charge of the computers at my local library. We have 18 public computers running Windows XP and Envisionware software for session control and printing. The library is beginning an expansion that will increase the number of public computers by 50% plus add a classroom with more computers. As I have a large part in the decision-making in this area I would like to find a Free alternative to having a slew of Vista computers installed. The library has had good results with XP because of the "DeepFreeze" security software that is installed. However an upgrade to Vista will be very costly and I am totally unconvinced that it would be a smooth transition and maintenance will be incessant. I have experience with K12LTSP since helping with a computer lab this past year. I would like to bring the stability, reliability and lower cost of ownership that I have experienced with LTSP to the library. Instead of buying 25+ new Vista computers the library could buy dedicated thin clients and new monitors. The library will see an ongoing cost saving in electricity costs, as well. I had been looking at a Windows-based terminal server solution, but I can't get away from the fear that one user could do something that would require the reboot of the whole system, or worse. In my mind LTSP is the only way to go. As well as using a lighweight locked-down desktop I need to have some way to control session lengths, create reservations (preferably a self-service kiosk) and store print jobs in a queue for release by by the user. The system would have to be able to interface with a payment system, such as Jamex, for payment of print jobs, and it would have to be able to read library card barcodes for making reservations and for print release. So my question is: "Does anyone know of any Linux systems that would work with LTSP and meet these requirements?" Thank you, Jim Anderson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com" target="_blank">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <<a href="http://www.k12os.org" target="_blank">http://www.k12os.org</a>> </blockquote> </div> -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru </div> </div> <pre><hr size="4" width="90%"><div class="Ih2E3d"> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com" target="_blank">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a href="http://www.k12os.org" target="_blank"><http://www.k12os.org></a></div></pre> </blockquote> </div> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn </a> For more info see <<a href="http://www.k12os.org" target="_blank">http://www.k12os.org</a>> </blockquote> </div> -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru <pre wrap=""> <hr size="4" width="90%"> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a></pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>