<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title>  With respect, Peter, I think you have not understood my post. I fully understand that ltsp client applications are run on the server. This is not my problem. Perhaps restating my problem may clarify the issue. I have a server running F13 with the LTSP server setup. My chroot environment is a F12 installation. I managed this by adjusting the build client script so that it used F12 instead of F13 which is still in beta. Anyway, this created my chroot environment in /opt/ltsp/i386 as per usual. I can chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and run updates for F12 and install applications and the like. In fact, when my client boots the initial image it gets this information from /opt/ltsp/i386. I know this because I changed the LDM theme by replacing /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes with my own custom graphics. So now, instead of the K12Linux login screen I have our college logo and graphics. Now, when my client logs in, the environment that loads is not the chroot F12 environment, but rather the server kernel and everything else. This should be loaded from /opt/ltsp/i386, NOT the root directory. Otherwise there is little point in the chroot environment. I have seen a few responses from people that "this is the way it is supposed to work." But with due respect this does not make sense considering that the ltsp-build-client downloads an entirely new (chroot) environment in /opt/ltsp/i386 (or other architecture). Some of the applications are meant to actually run using client CPU and memory, this is the purpose of a given architecture. In fact you can even use an old PowerPC as a client, provided you have installed the appropriate client architecture (see the documentation). The fact that upon opening a terminal in my client, the user is actually shown the non chroot filesystem is problematic for this is NOT how it is designed to work. The client should be seeing the filesystem in /opt/ltsp/i386 as though it were the root system as chroot is intended to function. This is done this way for security reasons. I have created the file .hidden in the /opt/ltsp/i386 environment as well so that the user does not see directories such as bin, usr, root, and so on. This does function properly, but only when one manually logs into the chroot environment. Anyway, I think I have discovered my issue. I did not build the image with 'ltsp-update-image'. For this reason there was no image directory in /opt/ltsp/. It can take a while to build the image and I have not confirmed this was the problem yet. Thanks for the efforts to assist, though. I will respond with whether or not the 'ltsp-update-image' solved the problem. If anyone is in the know regarding this, please feel free to comment. ~Many thanks! On 04/28/2010 06:00 PM, k12osn-request wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.29.1272470419.14001.k12osn@redhat.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com">k12osn@redhat.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k12osn-request@redhat.com">k12osn-request@redhat.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k12osn-owner@redhat.com">k12osn-owner@redhat.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. users not logging into my thin client environment (Mathieu Pelletier) 2. Re: users not logging into my thin client environment (Peter Scheie) 3. Re: users not logging into my thin client environment (Eric Brown) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:12:57 +0200 From: "Mathieu Pelletier" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw"><mpelletier@tcz.co.zw></a> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com">k12osn@redhat.com</a> Subject: [K12OSN] users not logging into my thin client environment Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:4BD81839.5090608@tcz.co.zw"><4BD81839.5090608@tcz.co.zw></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" So, I have successfully set up my LTSP server and the clients boot successfully. I have even changed the default LDM theme and it looks brilliant! But now, I have a small problem that my users upon logging in are not in the LTSP environment (the one in /opt/ltsp/i386). They are actually logged into the server environment. My server is running F13 and my thin client environment image is F12 (since the F13 ltsp enviro wasn't building and due to stability on the client). Anyway, everything seems to be working great on the client in spite of this. I do, however want my users to be using the proper environment, since my changes and customisations for that image needs to be replicated to the client, and obviously the users do not need all the services on the server's image. My question is how do I remedy this so that users login to the correct environment. The login screen is taken from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes, but once the user logs in they have the F13 background and everything. It seems to me that the solution should be pretty easy, but I have not found much information on how to properly create user accounts. I have the users home directory mounted in /opt/ltsp/i386/home/username, so this part is working. ~Thanks for your help! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mathieu Pelletier Director of IT Development Theological College of Zimbabwe Tel: +263 9 287032/3 Ext: 214 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw">mpelletier@tcz.co.zw</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw"><mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tczonline.com">www.tczonline.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.tczonline.com"><http://www.tczonline.com></a> Chat Google Talk: mkpelletier Skype: mathieu.pelletier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: skype.png Type: image/png Size: 3590 bytes Desc: not available URL: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20100428/428139a3/attachment-0001.png"><https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20100428/428139a3/attachment-0001.png></a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:15:18 -0500 From: Peter Scheie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peter@scheie.homedns.org"><peter@scheie.homedns.org></a> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com"><k12osn@redhat.com></a> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] users not logging into my thin client environment Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:4BD834E6.9090608@scheie.homedns.org"><4BD834E6.9090608@scheie.homedns.org></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think you misunderstand how LTSP works. The applications that users run actually run on the server. The client environment is only used to *display* the applications that are running on the server. An LTSP client is sort of like a remote console. You can designate individual applications to be run locally on the clients, but this is not the default. If you truly want the clients to be running stand-alone environments, you might look at DRBL (Diskless Remote Boot Linux). But make sure your clients are up to the task. Peter Mathieu Pelletier wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">So, I have successfully set up my LTSP server and the clients boot successfully. I have even changed the default LDM theme and it looks brilliant! But now, I have a small problem that my users upon logging in are not in the LTSP environment (the one in /opt/ltsp/i386). They are actually logged into the server environment. My server is running F13 and my thin client environment image is F12 (since the F13 ltsp enviro wasn't building and due to stability on the client). Anyway, everything seems to be working great on the client in spite of this. I do, however want my users to be using the proper environment, since my changes and customisations for that image needs to be replicated to the client, and obviously the users do not need all the services on the server's image. My question is how do I remedy this so that users login to the correct environment. The login screen is taken from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes, but once the user logs in they have the F13 background and everything. It seems to me that the solution should be pretty easy, but I have not found much information on how to properly create user accounts. I have the users home directory mounted in /opt/ltsp/i386/home/username, so this part is working. ~Thanks for your help! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mathieu Pelletier Director of IT Development Theological College of Zimbabwe Tel: +263 9 287032/3 Ext: 214 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw">mpelletier@tcz.co.zw</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw"><mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tczonline.com">www.tczonline.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.tczonline.com"><http://www.tczonline.com></a> Chat Google Talk: mkpelletier Skype: mathieu.pelletier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:26:46 -0500 From: Eric Brown <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ericbrow@gmail.com"><ericbrow@gmail.com></a> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:k12osn@redhat.com"><k12osn@redhat.com></a> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] users not logging into my thin client environment Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:p2ib0adb8701004280626y58373a41n508a72e3a5ac6235@mail.gmail.com"><p2ib0adb8701004280626y58373a41n508a72e3a5ac6235@mail.gmail.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LTSP in the classroom also takes a shift in how a teacher restricts or monitors what goes on in their lab. One of the beauties of the LTSP environment is that if every student has an individual log in, they can change their background, their home pages, add icons to the desktop, choose their windows manager (KDE, Gnome, xfce if you've chosen to install them). Not having to restrict this and monitor technology actually frees an instructor up to focus on teaching technology rather than spend time monitoring it. If a kid messes up their Gnome configuration, delete the Gnome configuration file in their home folder and they're fixed. It took me a little while to adjust to the different way of thinking, but it was very freeing to me and my students. That's my opinion anyway. Enjoy, Eric On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Peter Scheie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peter@scheie.homedns.org"><peter@scheie.homedns.org></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I think you misunderstand how LTSP works. ?The applications that users run actually run on the server. ?The client environment is only used to *display* the applications that are running on the server. An LTSP client is sort of like a remote console. ?You can designate individual applications to be run locally on the clients, but this is not the default. If you truly want the clients to be running stand-alone environments, you might look at DRBL (Diskless Remote Boot Linux). ?But make sure your clients are up to the task. Peter Mathieu Pelletier wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">So, I have successfully set up my LTSP server and the clients boot successfully. ?I have even changed the default LDM theme and it looks brilliant! ?But now, I have a small problem that my users upon logging in are not in the LTSP environment (the one in /opt/ltsp/i386). ?They are actually logged into the server environment. My server is running F13 and my thin client environment image is F12 (since the F13 ltsp enviro wasn't building and due to stability on the client). ?Anyway, everything seems to be working great on the client in spite of this. ?I do, however want my users to be using the proper environment, since my changes and customisations for that image needs to be replicated to the client, and obviously the users do not need all the services on the server's image. My question is how do I remedy this so that users login to the correct environment. ?The login screen is taken from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes, but once the user logs in they have the F13 background and everything. ?It seems to me that the solution should be pretty easy, but I have not found much information on how to properly ?create user accounts. ?I have the users home directory mounted in /opt/ltsp/i386/home/username, so this part is working. ~Thanks for your help! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mathieu Pelletier Director of IT Development Theological College of Zimbabwe Tel: +263 9 287032/3 ?Ext: 214 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw">mpelletier@tcz.co.zw</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw"><mailto:mpelletier@tcz.co.zw></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tczonline.com">www.tczonline.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.tczonline.com"><http://www.tczonline.com></a> Chat Google Talk: mkpelletier Skype: mathieu.pelletier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> For more info see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.k12os.org"><http://www.k12os.org></a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:K12OSN@redhat.com">K12OSN@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn</a> End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15 ************************************** </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>