<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/2015 01:44 PM, Tony Krowiak wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:5633AC6A.7020602@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/2015 01:48 PM, Laine Stump wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/2015 12:49 PM, Tony Krowiak wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <pre wrap="">For a guest domain defined with a large number of macvtap devices, it takes an exceedingly long time to boot the guest. In a test of a guest domain configured with 82 macvtap devices, it took over two minutes for the guest to boot. An strace of the ioctl calls during guest start up showed the SIOCGIFFLAGS ioctl literally being invoked 3,403 times. I was able to isolate the source of the ioctl calls to the virNetDevMacVLanCreateWithVPortProfile function in virnetdevmacvlan.c. The macvtap interface name is created by looping over a counter variable, starting with zero, and appending the counter value to 'macvtap'. </pre> </blockquote> I've wondered ever since the first time I saw that code why it was done that way, and why there had never been any performance complaints. Lacking any complaints, I promptly forgot about it (until the next time I went past the code for some other tangentially related reason.) Since you're the first to complain, you have the honor of fixing it :-) </blockquote> Thank you for that honor. <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">With each iteration, a call is made to virNetDevExists (SIOCGIFFLAGS ioctl) to determine if a device with that name already exists, until a unique name is created. In the test case cited above, to create an interface name for the 82nd macvtap device, the virNetDevExists function will be called for interface names 'macvtap0' to 'macvtap80' before it is determined that 'mavtap81' can be used. So if N is the number of macvtap interfaces defined for a guest, the SIOCGIFFLAGS ioctl will be invoked (N x N + N)/2 times to find an unused macvtap device names. That's assuming only one guest is being started, who knows how many times the ioctl may have to be called in an installation running a large number of guests defined with macvtap devices. I was able to reduce the amount of time for starting a guest domain defined with 82 macvtap devices from over 2 minutes to about 14 seconds by keeping track of the interface name suffixes previously used. I defined two static bit maps (virBitmap), one each for macvtap and macvlan device name suffixes. When a macvtap/macvlan device is created, the index of the next clear bit (virBitmapNextClearBit) is retrieved to create the name. If an interface with that name does not exist, the device is created and the bit at the index used to create the interface name is set (virBitmapSetBit). When a macvtap/macvlan device is deleted, if the interface name has the pattern 'macvtap%d' or 'macvlan%d', the suffix is parsed into a bit index and used to clear the (virBitMapClearBit) bit in the respective bitmap.</pre> </blockquote> This sounds fine, as long as 1) you recreate the bitmap whenever libvirtd is restarted (while scanning through all the interfaces of every domain; there is already code being executed in exactly the right place - look for qemu_process.c:qemuProcessNotifyNets() and add appropriate code inside the loop there), and 2) you retry some number of times if a supposedly unused device name is actually in use (to account for processes other than libvirt using the same naming convention). <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I am not sure that is the best design because there is no way to track interface names used to create macvtap devices outside of libvirt, for example using the ip command.</pre> </blockquote> If you wanted to get *really* complicated, you could use netlink to get a list of all network devices, or even monitor netlink traffic to maintain your own cache, but I think that's serious overkill (until proven otherwise). </blockquote> I agree, I think this would be overkill. I think it would require that we track the complete interface names as opposed to maintaining a bitmap of interface name suffixes. <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> There may also be other issues I've not contemplated. I included a couple of additional ideas below and am looking for comments or other suggestions that I have not considered. </pre> <ul> <li>Define a global counter variable initialized to 0, that gets incremented each time an interface name is created, to keep track of the last used interface name suffix. At some maximum value, the counter will be set back to 0.</li> </ul> </blockquote> There could be some merit to this, as it is simpler and likely faster. You would need to maintain the counter somewhere in persistent storage so it could be retrieved when libvirtd is restarted though. </blockquote> I have a problem with this one, because certain scenarios could introduce performance issues, for example: <ul> <li>Guest1, defined with 1 macvtap device is started and the 'macvtap0' device is created</li> <li>A plethora of guests are subsequently defined, such that there are no gaps between interface names 'macvtap0' and 'macvtap5100' </li> <li>Guest1 is deleted, thus removing the 'macvtap0' device</li> <li>Additional guests are defined until the counter recycles back to 0</li> <li>GuestN is defined with more than one macvtap device. When guestN is started, the 'macvtap0' device will get created for it right off the bat, but then 5000 ioctl calls will be made until 'macvtap5200' is found to be available. </li> </ul> I don't know what the likelihood of such a scenario is, but we should probably code for such contingencies. What say you? </blockquote> Yes, you're correct - it would work very nicely unless/until it wrapped back around to 0, and after that we would be back in more or less the same situation we have now. <blockquote cite="mid:5633AC6A.7020602@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <ul> <li>Append a random number to 'macvlan' or 'macvtap' when creating the interface name. Of course, the number of digits would have to be limited so the interface name would not exceed the maximum allowed.</li> </ul> </blockquote> Well, that has the advantage that no persistent state information is required. </blockquote> This one would be pretty easy to implement and as you said, would not require maintaining persistent state information. The only question I have with regard to this one is would users complain that the expected behavior has dramatically changed. Curently, the macvtap interface names are somewhat consecutive and look like 'macvtap0', 'macvtap1' ... macvtapN, with the gaps being filled in as new macvtap devices are created. With this idea, the device names would look like 'macvtap83927611', 'macvtap91304510', 'macvtap18294667' .... Do you think this would be a problem? </blockquote> Depends on your definition of "problem". It would likely work just fine, and it's unlikely you'd get enough simultaneous macvtaps that you would have to do a lot of retries, but it would be *much* more difficult to talk about a particular device - "Which macvtap was that?" "91304510", vs "1" :-). Just or that reason I'm kind of against this idea (and the previous one as well). <blockquote cite="mid:5633AC6A.7020602@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <ul> <li>Create the interface name in code that has more knowledge of the environment and pass the name into the virNetDevMacVLanCreateWithVPortProfile function via the tgifname parameter. For example, the qemuBuildCommandLine function in qemu_command.c contains the loop that iterates over the network devices defined for the guest domain that ultimately get created via the virNetDevMacVLanCreateWithVPortProfile function. That function has access to the network device configuration and at the very least could ensure none of the names previously defined for the guest aren't used. I believe it would be matter of creating a macvtap interface name - e.g., maybe a call to some function in virnetdevmacvlan.c - and setting the name in the virDomainNetDef structure prior to invoking qemuBuildInterfaceCommandLine?</li> </ul> </blockquote> I don't quite follow what you're saying, but it sounds like you are suggesting that we try to know enough about the environment that we can predetermine an interface name. That won't work though - you can't know for certain that some other program hasn't taken the name you want until you try to create is. </blockquote> The name creation function in virnetdevmacvlan.c would still check to see if a device with the name exists. I don't really like this idea anyway for a lot of other reasons. </blockquote> Yeah, knowing about other interfaces for this particular guess is only a very small part of the equation. You really want to know about all interfaces for all guests, which is exactly what your proposed bitmap does. <blockquote cite="mid:5633AC6A.7020602@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56325BF9.2090905@laine.org" type="cite"> <blockquote cite="mid:56324E25.8030608@linux.vnet.ibm.com" type="cite"> <ul> </ul> There are shortcomings in all of these ideas, so if you have a better one, feel free to present it. </blockquote> Any of the first three is better than what we currently do. Note that in the case of standard tap devices, the kernel itself handles the creation of a unique name - if you call ioctl(TUNSETIFF) with a string with "%d" in it and it finds the lowest numbered unused name and returns that. For some reason, the macvtap authors didn't want to do that. </blockquote> Correct me if I am wrong, but doing something like this would require changes in the kernel? </blockquote> Yes. You would have to allow macvtap creation to generate an automatic name when created, and have a method of changing the name of a macvtap device. (It's entirely possible both of these capabilities exist, but I haven't seen them). Anything that requires a kernel change I consider in the realm of "not feasible" (unless that really is the only way to get it done). </body> </html>