<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Dear Richard,</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Thanks a lot for your help. I agree that the inconsistency seems a bit strange but </div><div class="">I also doubt that different distributions make different changes to kernel/audit.c. This </div><div class="">may be just a timing issue with regard to startup orderings. </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">I’d like to append Burn’s message that solved my issue for future reference.</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> Kangkook, Perhaps you can re-test, but modify the kernel boot parameters to include audit=1 as an additional argument. Reading the auditd(8) manual, one sees A boot param of audit=1 should be added to ensure that all processes that run before the audit daemon starts is marked as auditable by the kernel. Not doing that will make a few processes impossible to properly audit.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Thanks again for your help!</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Regards, Kangkook</div><div class=""> </div> <div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Richard Guy Briggs <<a href="mailto:rgb@redhat.com" class="">rgb@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div> <div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 15/09/11, Kangkook Jee wrote:<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Richard, </blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi Kangkook,<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I also did the same experiment for the latest distributions of Fedora core and Debian and here’s the results. Fedora-22 (64-bit, 4.0.4-301.fc22.x86_64): Problem reproduced. Debian-8 (64-bit, 3.16.0-4-amd64): Problem reproduced Btw, Burn Alting (<a href="mailto:burn@swtf.dyndns.org" class="">burn@swtf.dyndns.org</a>) suggested me to append audit=1 to kernel flag. I added the option to boot-loader (grub) and problem went away. </blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On all systems? This is expected behaviour. Sorry I was not more<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">explicit in asking you to test that. I guess it was implied by asking<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">what the settings for the kernel command line were.<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Now the surprising bit is that CentOS does not demonstrate the problem<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">without audit=1 in the command line, which leads me to wonder if they<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">have set "u32 audit_enabled = 1;" around line 83 of<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">kernel/audit.c in their kernel source. It would surprise me if they<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">did, but it would not be completely unreasonable.<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Regards, Kangkook <blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 11, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <<a href="mailto:rgb@redhat.com" class="">rgb@redhat.com</a>> wrote: On 15/09/11, Kangkook Jee wrote: <blockquote type="cite" class="">From the previous reply, I think I misunderstood your question regarding kernel command line. Here’s "cat /proc/cmdline” results for distributions that I’ve experimented. Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit): BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-58-generic root=UUID=7505f862-ce46-49e5-9d1c-e4e307844889 ro text quiet splash vt.handoff=7 Ubuntu 12.04 (64-bit): BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic root=UUID=5be789be-9b0c-463e-bd18-42bfa79fb24c ro quiet splash CentOS 7 (64-bit): BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.el7.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/centos-root ro rd.lvm.lv=centos/root rd.lvm.lv=centos/swap crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 CentOS 6 (64-bit): ro root=UUID=a7d44560-adcc-4000-9584-8b9fcf2afd74 rd_NO_LUKS rd_NO_LVM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 rd_NO_MD SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 crashkernel=129M@0M KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us rd_NO_DM rhgb quiet I don’t see any audit=<value> entries from all examples above. </blockquote> Yes, this is what I was seeking from you. And you are correct, none of them have audit=1 as I was hoping from at least CentOS. There is a chance that the CentOS kernel was compiled with audit=1 hardcoded, but I think that is a pretty small chance... I'll have to look at this closer... But any Debian and Fedora data points that you can provide would certainly be useful. <blockquote type="cite" class="">/Kangkook <blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 11, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Richard Guy Briggs <<a href="mailto:rgb@redhat.com" class="">rgb@redhat.com</a>> wrote: On 15/09/10, Kangkook Jee wrote: <blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi all, I debugged a bit further to identify distributions that are affected by the issue. I repeated the same experiment with sshd from 3 more distributions. CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (64-bit, 3.10.0-229.el7.x86_64): Problem NOT reproduced CentOS release 6.6 (64-bit, 2.6.32-504.el6.x86_64): Problem NOT reproduced Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS (64-bit, 3.13.0-32-generic): Problem reproduced </blockquote> For each of these examples, what is the value of the kernel command line "audit=<value>" if it is even present? It is possible that the CentOS examples include "audit=1" while Ubuntu omits the line. "cat /proc/cmdline" should tell you the answer. <blockquote type="cite" class="">After all, Ubuntu family are affected by the issue and I could confirm that results are inconsistent across two different distribution families. </blockquote> I would be curious what your results are with a recent Debian and with a recent Fedora. <blockquote type="cite" class="">If you can let us know how can we workaround the issue, it will be a great help. Regards, Kangkook <blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 9, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kangkook Jee <<a href="mailto:aixer77@gmail.com" class="">aixer77@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Dear all, We are developing custom user space audit agent to gather system wide system call trace. While experimenting with various programs, we found out that processes (daemons) that started early (along with the system bootstrapping) do not report any audit events at all. These processes typically fall into PID range of less than 2000. Here’s how I reproduced the symptom with sshd daemon. 1. Reboot the system 2. Add and enable audit events # /sbin/auditctl -a exit,always -F arch=b64 -S clone -S close -S creat -S dup -S dup2 -S dup3 -S execve -S exit -S exit_group -S fork -S open -S openat -S unlink -S unlinkat -S vfork -S 288 -S accept -S bind -S connect -S listen -S socket -S socketpair # /sbin/auditctl -e1 -b 102400 3. Connect to the system via ssh Audit messages generated only from child processes and none are seen from the original daemon. 4. Restart sshd # restart ssh 5. Connect again to the system via ssh Now, we see audit messages from both parent and child processes. I did the experiment from Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS distribution (64-bit, kernel version 3.13.0-58-generic). I first wonder whether this is intended behavior of audit framework or not. If it is intended, I also want to know how can we configure auditd differently to capture system calls from all processes. Thanks a lot for your help in advance! 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