<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Excellent, thanks for the answer, that makes it a lot clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So coupled with exclusion lists etc.. I could have multiple machines connect to one LUN and each have its own logical volume. Is there a concept of a “master” in the cluster or does it work in the same way as tcp with an exponential backoff when the metadata is locked by a host for changing. I am assuming that cluster aware locking would allow server-a to create a new lv but not simalteneosly allowing server-b to create a new lv too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I know should be experimenting with this but will ask in the mean time while I wait for my “test lun”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If host A creates a lv on a shared storage will it automatically be marked as only belonging to host A or is that something you have to do by hand. I read somewhere in the man pages about tags that you need to add to achieve such things.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jonathan Brassow<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 February 2008 17:00<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> LVM general discussion and development<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [linux-lvm] Docs on clustered option of vgcreate</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Clustering LVM (CLVM) provides a way to manage logical volumes in a consistent way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>By analogy, if you connect the same disk to two machines, put a file system on it (like ext3), and mount the file system on both machines, you can expect corruption. Both machines will be attempting to create/modify/read metadata without the knowledge that someone else is doing the same... You need a cluster aware file system in this type of scenario - like GFS. The same thing is true of LVM... you don't want to have two machines sharing the same volume group - extending/shrinking/creating/deleting logical volumes without knowledge of the other machine... it would lead to corruption of your volume group layout. This is what CLVM is all about. It is especially useful when coupled with a cluster-aware file system, like GFS and others. Active/Active setups are where CLVM is most useful. Active/Passive setups can get away with a little less (<a href="http://sourceware.org/cluster/wiki/LVMFailover)">http://sourceware.org/cluster/wiki/LVMFailover)</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>In active/active environments, the concept of CLVM becomes even more important when dealing with more complex RAID. For example, LVM mirroring must be handled in a different way depending on whether a logical volume is clustered or not. (This is handled transparently by (C)LVM.) This is because mirroring creates its own metadata to track the degree to which the component legs are in-sync... this status tracking must be cluster-aware or the state will be corrupted. This is the reason why there is no snapshotting in CLVM yet. The cluster-coherent version has not yet been written.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> brassow<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, the “missing snapshotting” would be a problem. I am still slightly unclear as to the goals of the clustering in LVM…<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; border-width:initial;border-color:initial'> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><a href="mailto:linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com">linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com</a> [<a href="mailto:linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com">mailto:linux-lvm-bounces@redhat.com</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Jonathan Brassow<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>07 February 2008 16:21<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>LVM general discussion and development<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [linux-lvm] Docs on clustererd option of vgcreate</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The reason the results are likely so sparse is because the two modes of operation (single machine and cluster) are so similar.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Once you've setup a cluster and installed the lvm2-cluster rpm*, new volume groups that are created automatically receive the "clustered" attribute. [Toggle the cluster attribute by doing vgchange -c[ny] <vg>] The lvm commands stay the same as if you were running them on a single machine.**<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> brassow<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>* Of course you could compile the sources or use another install method.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>** Some targets (like snapshots) are not available when using LVM in a clustered mode.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Feb 7, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <u1:p></u1:p><span style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing: 0px'> <div link=blue vlink=purple> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am after a bit more documentation about the usage of the<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>--clustered option in vgcreate.<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>At the moment I don’t have a spare san drive with which I can experiment. My understanding is that you would set this flag when different hosts(nodes) connect to the same storage area typically a san with lvm configured.<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am after a bit more information describing this “clusterering” functionality in lvm and how/where it is used. The man pages on lvm and commands is a bit sparse and I am trawling through google results but not with great success at the moment.<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Regards<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br> linux-lvm mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:linux-lvm@redhat.com">linux-lvm@redhat.com</a><br> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm</a><br> read the LVM HOW-TO at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/">http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </span> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br> linux-lvm mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:linux-lvm@redhat.com">linux-lvm@redhat.com</a><br> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm</a><br> read the LVM HOW-TO at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/">http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </span> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>