From walkerk at uchastings.edu Thu Feb 19 14:44:01 2004 From: walkerk at uchastings.edu (Kent Walker) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:44:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com In-Reply-To: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> Jeremey, OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. Then I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) thinking there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The Red Hat Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls them, "the shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) Kent At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: >Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its >prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school >groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate gatherings >we've started redhat.meetup.com. > >You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll be >co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge you to >go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to >spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS >face to face in a casual setting. > >--jeremy --- Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law 415-565-4635 From taw at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 16:36:03 2004 From: taw at redhat.com (Todd Warner) Date: Thu Feb 19 16:36:03 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Kent Walker wrote: > Jeremey, > > OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. Then > I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) thinking > there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The Red Hat > Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls them, "the > shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we > *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! > (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) > > Kent That's truly outstanding. ;) > At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: > >Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its > >prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school > >groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate gatherings > >we've started redhat.meetup.com. > > > >You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll be > >co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge you to > >go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to > >spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS > >face to face in a casual setting. > > > >--jeremy > > --- > Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst > Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law > 415-565-4635 > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > -- ____________ /odd Warner Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. ---------------------gpg info in the message headers-------------------- "If you're tired, keep going. If you are scared, keep going. If you want to taste freedom, keep going." -Harriet Tubman From jhogan at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 17:00:04 2004 From: jhogan at redhat.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu Feb 19 17:00:04 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> Message-ID: <1077228092.7957.87.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:44, Kent Walker wrote: > Jeremey, > > OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. Then > I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) thinking > there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The Red Hat > Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls them, "the > shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we > *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! > (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) The Ads by Google are the keyword ads they sell at Google. We used to pay for Red Hat, Red Hat Linux, etc. If you go to Google and enter Red Hat the same ones show up to the right. We'll be working that from the Google side of things. One of the first things I noticed. A weird twist is the Google community serves ads for trademark enforcement services. --jeremy > > Kent > > At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: > >Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its > >prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school > >groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate gatherings > >we've started redhat.meetup.com. > > > >You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll be > >co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge you to > >go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to > >spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS > >face to face in a casual setting. > > > >--jeremy > > --- > Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst > Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law > 415-565-4635 > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > From nbs at sonic.net Thu Feb 19 17:03:10 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu Feb 19 17:03:10 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040219113657.026108c8@pericles.uchastings.edu> Message-ID: <20040219220441.GC22749@sonic.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:44:49AM -0800, Kent Walker wrote: > Jeremey, > > OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. Then > I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) thinking > there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The Red Hat > Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), I read some news article about a man being put to death for the supposed murder of his children. At the bottom of the page was some cheerful Google-driven ad for fathers. Seemed pretty creepy. :^) And, of course, when I first signed up for Google's ads on my own site, any time I visited my "Tux Paint" pages, I got ads for tuxedos. Fortunately, I can exclude sites, which helps filter the obviously unrelated stuff out, therefore allowing the potential for more related ad links to appear. Getting OT Sorry :) -bill! From yalin0001 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 12:49:11 2004 From: yalin0001 at hotmail.com (Ya Lin) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:49:11 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to Message-ID: Hello folks, I have completed several months on tinkering with Red-Hat 7.2 and 8.0 -- basically installation and use of the X Windows, and executing commands form the command line in the terminal... I am now attempting to take it a step further... My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would like to begin by learning to compile Linux. -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying Red Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where individuals just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" -- i.e. with their own preferred options? --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics you are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. I will appreciate your help or directions to get the help on this, and hopefully learn to tinker with Linux at the kenel level. Thanks. YaLin _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From jhogan at redhat.com Fri Feb 20 13:01:03 2004 From: jhogan at redhat.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Fri Feb 20 13:01:03 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077300125.3278.64.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. Ya, Here's a good kernel how-to: http://linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelreasons.shtml Starts with an intro and moves on through patching, installing, configuring and compiling. Here's a good primer on understanding how the kernel works: http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/TLK/tlk.html If you want to go deeper, take a look at Understanding the Linux Kernel by O'Reilly and Associates. --jeremy From tjkenn at charter.net Fri Feb 20 13:02:05 2004 From: tjkenn at charter.net (Tom Kennedy) Date: Fri Feb 20 13:02:05 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: Redhat Meetup In-Reply-To: <20040220170005.15889.73683.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040220170005.15889.73683.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: Thanks for passing along the Redhat meetup information. I went to the site http://redhat.meetup.com and had no trouble locating a meetup in my area. I also noticed that there is a general Open Source meet up as well. I am hoping to get together with other educators and talk about ways to bring Redhat and Open Source into education. Tom Kennedy Instructional Technology Specialist Linux for K-12 Education http://www.tomkennedy.com On Feb 20, 2004, at 12:00 PM, open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send open-source-now-list mailing list submissions to > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > open-source-now-list-admin at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of open-source-now-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: redhat.meetup.com (Kent Walker) > 2. Re: Re: redhat.meetup.com (Todd Warner) > 3. Re: Re: redhat.meetup.com (Jeremy Hogan) > 4. Re: Re: redhat.meetup.com (Bill Kendrick) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:49 -0800 > From: Kent Walker > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Subject: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com > Reply-To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > Jeremey, > > OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. > Then > I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) > thinking > there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The > Red Hat > Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls them, > "the > shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we > *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! > (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) > > Kent > > At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: >> Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its >> prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school >> groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate gatherings >> we've started redhat.meetup.com. >> >> You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll be >> co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge you >> to >> go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to >> spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS >> face to face in a casual setting. >> >> --jeremy > > --- > Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst > Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law > 415-565-4635 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:34:14 -0500 (EST) > From: Todd Warner > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com > Reply-To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Kent Walker wrote: > >> Jeremey, >> >> OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. >> Then >> I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) >> thinking >> there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The >> Red Hat >> Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls >> them, "the >> shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we >> *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! >> (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) >> >> Kent > > That's truly outstanding. ;) > >> At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: >>> Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its >>> prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school >>> groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate >>> gatherings >>> we've started redhat.meetup.com. >>> >>> You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll >>> be >>> co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge >>> you to >>> go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to >>> spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS >>> face to face in a casual setting. >>> >>> --jeremy >> >> --- >> Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst >> Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law >> 415-565-4635 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Subscription and Archive: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >> - >> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: >> >> > > -- > ____________ > /odd Warner > > Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. > ---------------------gpg info in the message > headers-------------------- > "If you're tired, keep going. If you are scared, keep going. > If you want to taste freedom, keep going." -Harriet Tubman > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com > From: Jeremy Hogan > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Organization: Red Hat, Inc. > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:01:32 -0500 > Reply-To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:44, Kent Walker wrote: >> Jeremey, >> >> OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. >> Then >> I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) >> thinking >> there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The >> Red Hat >> Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), or, as my wife calls >> them, "the >> shopping ladies". Top priority: better link logic. Or, perhaps, we >> *should* all wear large-brimmed red hats and purple feather boas! >> (Remember, I'm in San Francisco. :-) > > The Ads by Google are the keyword ads they sell at Google. We used to > pay for Red Hat, Red Hat Linux, etc. If you go to Google and enter Red > Hat the same ones show up to the right. > > We'll be working that from the Google side of things. > > One of the first things I noticed. A weird twist is the Google > community > serves ads for trademark enforcement services. > > --jeremy > >> >> Kent >> >> At 01:39 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: >>> Many of you have probably already heard of Meetup.com due to its >>> prominence in the Democratic primaries. In order to help LUGs, school >>> groups, and advocates to better and more easily co-ordinate >>> gatherings >>> we've started redhat.meetup.com. >>> >>> You'll see us adding functionality over the coming weeks, and we'll >>> be >>> co-ordinating a special global meetup on April 1, 2004, so I urge >>> you to >>> go ahead and sign up now. If you haven't used it, it's a great way to >>> spin up activity, to meet others interested in Red Hat, Linux, F/OSS >>> face to face in a casual setting. >>> >>> --jeremy >> >> --- >> Kent Walker - Datatel Analyst >> Information Technology - U.C. Hastings College of the Law >> 415-565-4635 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Subscription and Archive: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >> - >> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: >> >> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:04:41 -0800 > From: Bill Kendrick > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Re: redhat.meetup.com > Reply-To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:44:49AM -0800, Kent Walker wrote: >> Jeremey, >> >> OK - I went to the site and signed up for a meeting in San Francisco. >> Then >> I followed the links on the right side of the page (Buy Red Hats) >> thinking >> there might be cool swag to purchase. Instead, it's stuff for "The >> Red Hat >> Society" ( http://www.redhatsociety.org/ ), > > I read some news article about a man being put to death for the > supposed > murder of his children. > > At the bottom of the page was some cheerful Google-driven ad for > fathers. > Seemed pretty creepy. :^) > > And, of course, when I first signed up for Google's ads on my own site, > any time I visited my "Tux Paint" pages, I got ads for tuxedos. > Fortunately, I can exclude sites, which helps filter the obviously > unrelated stuff out, therefore allowing the potential for more related > ad links to appear. > > Getting OT Sorry :) > > -bill! > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > open-source-now-list mailing list > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > > > End of open-source-now-list Digest > From mike at linuxlink.com Fri Feb 20 13:08:00 2004 From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins) Date: Fri Feb 20 13:08:00 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40364D25.9030503@linuxlink.com> I would go to gentoo.org and have a look see. Ya Lin wrote: > Hello folks, > > I have completed several months on tinkering with Red-Hat 7.2 and 8.0 -- > basically installation and use of the X Windows, and executing commands > form the command line in the terminal... > > I am now attempting to take it a step further... > > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. > -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying > Red Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where > individuals just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" > -- i.e. with their own preferred options? > --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics > you are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. > > I will appreciate your help or directions to get the help on this, and > hopefully learn to tinker with Linux at the kenel level. > > > Thanks. > > > YaLin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > > > -- Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy http://linuxlink.com http://www.gracklenews.com/ From cspencer at cait.org Fri Feb 20 15:04:04 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:04:04 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077307507.3168.31.camel@cnote> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 11:50, Ya Lin wrote: > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. > -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying Red > Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where individuals > just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" -- i.e. with > their own preferred options? > --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics you > are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. This is a great learning experience for people and everyone should do it at some point...but One of the great values of the major packaged distributions is security updates. If you are running a server or workstation with connection to the Internet you have to make sure your computer stays patched or you will be hacked. Moreover, there is even significant questions to whether compiling your own kernel is going to translate to better performance on your system. We can certainly agree that a poorly compiled kernel will mean worse performance. In some cases though even doing everything right with a stock kernel from kernel.org will result in worse performance. In the first case a kernel can be poorly compiled by not using optimized compiler settings for your hardware or by selecting and compiling in hardware that isn't needed instead of leaving it as a unused module. Even if you do everything right there the major distros all(?) backport some code from newer kernels into their stable kernels. This tends to add to hardware compatibility and performance. Anyway, it is a great thing to do...just don't think that doing it will lead to better system performance. In general, it probably won't and it will take quite a bit of time. -Chris From jay at scherrer.com Fri Feb 20 15:46:02 2004 From: jay at scherrer.com (Jay Scherrer) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:46:02 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402201247.27795.jay@scherrer.com> Since you have rh 7.2 and 8.0, try using "make xconfig" while in the source dir. And another good source is your RedHat Bible, which usually takes you step by step recompiling your kernel. Jay On Friday 20 February 2004 09:50 am, Ya Lin wrote: > Hello folks, > > I have completed several months on tinkering with Red-Hat 7.2 and 8.0 -- > basically installation and use of the X Windows, and executing commands > form the command line in the terminal... > > I am now attempting to take it a step further... > > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. > -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying Red > Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where > individuals just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" -- > i.e. with their own preferred options? > --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics you > are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. > > I will appreciate your help or directions to get the help on this, and > hopefully learn to tinker with Linux at the kenel level. > > > Thanks. > > > YaLin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > From yalin0001 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:50:01 2004 From: yalin0001 at hotmail.com (Ya Lin) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:50:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to Message-ID: Hi Chris, thanks a lot and each response a get brings to light some key things to note and yours was very informative. Yes, it is just a process that I want to go through to have a sense of of the full process and learn terminologies along the way. Thanks again. Yalin >From: Chris Spencer >Reply-To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com >To: "open-source-now-list at redhat.com" >Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:05:07 -0600 > >On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 11:50, Ya Lin wrote: > > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. > > -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying >Red > > Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where >individuals > > just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" -- i.e. with > > their own preferred options? > > --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics >you > > are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. > >This is a great learning experience for people and everyone should do it >at some point...but > >One of the great values of the major packaged distributions is security >updates. If you are running a server or workstation with connection to >the Internet you have to make sure your computer stays patched or you >will be hacked. > >Moreover, there is even significant questions to whether compiling your >own kernel is going to translate to better performance on your system. > >We can certainly agree that a poorly compiled kernel will mean worse >performance. In some cases though even doing everything right with a >stock kernel from kernel.org will result in worse performance. > >In the first case a kernel can be poorly compiled by not using optimized >compiler settings for your hardware or by selecting and compiling in >hardware that isn't needed instead of leaving it as a unused module. > >Even if you do everything right there the major distros all(?) backport >some code from newer kernels into their stable kernels. This tends to >add to hardware compatibility and performance. > >Anyway, it is a great thing to do...just don't think that doing it will >lead to better system performance. In general, it probably won't and it >will take quite a bit of time. > >-Chris > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Subscription and Archive: >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >- >For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > _________________________________________________________________ Say ?good-bye? to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From ljd65536 at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 17:05:02 2004 From: ljd65536 at comcast.net (Larry Doyle) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:05:02 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Newbie Question: How to In-Reply-To: <200402201247.27795.jay@scherrer.com> References: <200402201247.27795.jay@scherrer.com> Message-ID: <200402201710.04095.ljd65536@comcast.net> The best way to start is to use the installation that you already have. Install the kernel-source rpm which is on the first installation disk. This will put the source into /usr/src/linux-2.x and apply all the appropriate patches. You can cp this tree into you home directory. Then you can run xconfig or menuconfig and follow the instructions. You should get one of the references that othres have suggested. The boot loader should be configured to use either your new kernel or the original. This allows you to recover if you make a mess. When you are comfortable with this process, you can move on. Larry On Friday 20 February 2004 03:47 pm, Jay Scherrer wrote: > Since you have rh 7.2 and 8.0, try using "make xconfig" while in the source > dir. > And another good source is your RedHat Bible, which usually takes you step > by step recompiling your kernel. > Jay > > On Friday 20 February 2004 09:50 am, Ya Lin wrote: > > Hello folks, > > > > I have completed several months on tinkering with Red-Hat 7.2 and 8.0 -- > > basically installation and use of the X Windows, and executing commands > > form the command line in the terminal... > > > > I am now attempting to take it a step further... > > > > My main goal now is to understand things at the kernel level and I would > > like to begin by learning to compile Linux. > > -- I am not even sure if I am stating it right, but instead of buying Red > > Hat Linux as I did before, I would like to see the process where > > individuals just jump on the Web and say that they have "compile Linux" > > -- i.e. with their own preferred options? > > --For example, a guy once said that to use Linux for computer forensics > > you are better off compiling your own OS instead of buying say Red Hat. > > > > I will appreciate your help or directions to get the help on this, and > > hopefully learn to tinker with Linux at the kenel level. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > YaLin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > > Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Subscription and Archive: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - > > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > From kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu Fri Feb 27 14:07:02 2004 From: kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu (Kevin Cole) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:07:02 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] WASHINGTON DC: RMS coming to YHSLUG, Monday, March 15 at 7 pm. Message-ID: <20040227190045.GE19271@gri.gallaudet.edu> Hi All, If you happen to be in the Washington DC area around mid-March, this may be of interest: Founder of the Free Software Foundation, and the GNU Project, Richard M. Stallman (RMS) will be presenting to the YHSLUG, in Northern Virgina, on Monday, March 15th at 7:00 pm. (He's also the principal author of such well-known programs as emacs, gcc, and gdb, among others.) The presentation will PROBABLY be in Room 1B (our usual meeting place). That's being confirmed today or tomorrow. If there's a change, I'll let folks know. However, it might behove you to check the web site as well (http://yhslug.tux.org/). Directions to Yorktown High School, as well as a "floorplan" to help you find your way to Room 1B, is on the website. This is only a little over 2 weeks away, so spread the word. Thanks! -- Kevin Cole | Key ID: 0xE6F332C7 Gallaudet University | WWW: http://gri.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/ Hall Memorial Bldg S-419 | V/TTY: (202) 651-5135 Washington, D.C. 20002-3695 | FAX: (202) 651-5746 From taw at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 15:14:31 2004 From: taw at redhat.com (Todd Warner) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:14:31 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] WASHINGTON DC: RMS coming to YHSLUG, Monday, March 15 at 7 pm. In-Reply-To: <20040227190045.GE19271@gri.gallaudet.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Kevin Cole wrote: > Hi All, > > If you happen to be in the Washington DC area around mid-March, this > may be of interest: > > Founder of the Free Software Foundation, and the GNU Project, Richard > M. Stallman (RMS) will be presenting to the YHSLUG, in Northern > Virgina, on Monday, March 15th at 7:00 pm. (He's also the principal > author of such well-known programs as emacs, gcc, and gdb, among > others.) > > The presentation will PROBABLY be in Room 1B (our usual meeting > place). That's being confirmed today or tomorrow. If there's a > change, I'll let folks know. However, it might behove you to check > the web site as well (http://yhslug.tux.org/). > > Directions to Yorktown High School, as well as a "floorplan" to help > you find your way to Room 1B, is on the website. > > This is only a little over 2 weeks away, so spread the word. > > Thanks! Always a good speaker by the way. Regardless of your open/free politics. :) -- ____________ /odd Warner Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. ---------------------gpg info in the message headers-------------------- "If you're tired, keep going. If you are scared, keep going. If you want to taste freedom, keep going." -Harriet Tubman From cfw1 at sluug.org Tue Mar 9 22:07:00 2004 From: cfw1 at sluug.org (Christine Wanta) Date: Tue Mar 9 22:07:00 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <404E854C.7050104@sluug.org> Jeremy, Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in serious trouble *GRIN* Hope you all have a great and safe time. --christine Christine Wanta www.sluug.org/~cfw1 ps. need some spell checking on the page though. From m.fioretti at inwind.it Tue Mar 9 23:20:02 2004 From: m.fioretti at inwind.it (M. Fioretti) Date: Tue Mar 9 23:20:02 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible Message-ID: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> Hello, One of the reasons usually mentioned to not care about sw efficiency (here and, sadly, on practically all Linux lists) is the "Moore's Law treadmill": HW would keep getting faster and cheaper so quickly that bothering about efficiency makes much less sense than just buying a new PC every other year. In general, this is a bogus thesis just doesn't make sense in the real world: a world mostly made of people who still have to work months, when they can, to buy any new Pc, and of people who may have the money, but rightly prefer to spend it in a thousand more meaningful ways. There is another reason, and now nobody less than the United Nation University confirms it, recommending to refuse the Moore's law and consumism: on the contrary, the useful lifespan of PCs should be extended as much as possible. Obviously this can happen only if Free SW like Linux distributions are made/kept as modular and light on HW resources as possible (ie quite lighter than today): "Short-Lived PCs Have Hidden Costs" http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62562,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 Ciao, Marco Fioretti PS: at this point I'm also forced to point out that the non profit, volunteer project in my signature was started two years ago just to provide Free Software that would make following today's UNU advice easier. Any support is welcome: right now, what we need more is ONE TIME help by PHP/MySQL experts to rebuild the website. Please spread the word! -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Imagination is more important than knowledge -- Einstein >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe << ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Don't you wish you had more energy... or less ambition? From jhogan at redhat.com Tue Mar 9 23:57:01 2004 From: jhogan at redhat.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Tue Mar 9 23:57:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <404E854C.7050104@sluug.org> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> <404E854C.7050104@sluug.org> Message-ID: <1078894602.3575.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 22:02, Christine Wanta wrote: > Jeremy, > > Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... > > You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> Yeah, it's been long enough to be a fond memory. I've almost regained my sense of smell. > Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in > serious trouble *GRIN* If only we had a protocol droid. I fully expect to be embroiled in a shameful slang incident. > > ps. need some spell checking on the page though. And a spell bot. But hey, that's how you know real people are on the other end. Or do you mean in the non-blog part? --jeremy From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Mar 10 05:26:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed Mar 10 05:26:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> Message-ID: <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> M. Fioretti wrote: > Hello, > > One of the reasons usually mentioned to not care about sw efficiency > (here and, sadly, on practically all Linux lists) is the "Moore's Law > treadmill": HW would keep getting faster and cheaper so quickly that > bothering about efficiency makes much less sense than just buying a > new PC every other year. > > In general, this is a bogus thesis just doesn't make sense in the real > world: a world mostly made of people who still have to work months, > when they can, to buy any new Pc, and of people who may have the > money, but rightly prefer to spend it in a thousand more meaningful > ways. > > There is another reason, and now nobody less than the United Nation > University confirms it, recommending to refuse the Moore's law and > consumism: on the contrary, the useful lifespan of PCs should be > extended as much as possible. Obviously this can happen only if Free > SW like Linux distributions are made/kept as modular and light on HW > resources as possible (ie quite lighter than today): > > "Short-Lived PCs Have Hidden Costs" > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62562,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 > > Ciao, > Marco Fioretti > > PS: at this point I'm also forced to point out that the non profit, > volunteer project in my signature was started two years ago just to > provide Free Software that would make following today's UNU advice > easier. Any support is welcome: right now, what we need more is ONE > TIME help by PHP/MySQL experts to rebuild the website. Please spread > the word! > ...And, anyways, treating everything as dollar-store disposables contributes to green house gases, over exploitation of resources and an overabundance of trash. Buying a new PC every year is just a poor prospect, environmentally. What happened to the days when things were built to last? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cfw1 at sluug.org Wed Mar 10 11:07:42 2004 From: cfw1 at sluug.org (Christine Wanta) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:07:42 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <1078894602.3575.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077140348.3909.28.camel@dhcp55-239.rdu.redhat.com> <404E854C.7050104@sluug.org> <1078894602.3575.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <404F2D90.4080801@sluug.org> Jeremy Hogan wrote: >On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 22:02, Christine Wanta wrote: > > >>Jeremy, >> >>Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... >> >>You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> >> >> > >Yeah, it's been long enough to be a fond memory. I've almost regained my >sense of smell. > it was the cigars ;-> >>Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in >>serious trouble *GRIN* >> >> >If only we had a protocol droid. I fully expect to be embroiled in a >shameful slang incident. > >>ps. need some spell checking on the page though. >> >> > >And a spell bot. But hey, that's how you know real people are on the >other end. Or do you mean in the non-blog part? > In your 'bios' of the travelers section. Forget the actual URL, tags on the right link to the page. have a great day! --christine > >--jeremy > > >_______________________________________________ >Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >- >For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > > > > From taw at redhat.com Wed Mar 10 15:30:01 2004 From: taw at redhat.com (Todd Warner) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:30:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <404E854C.7050104@sluug.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: > Jeremy, > > Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... > > You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> > Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in > serious trouble *GRIN* > > Hope you all have a great and safe time. > > --christine > Christine Wanta > www.sluug.org/~cfw1 > > ps. need some spell checking on the page though. /me so wanted to be on the next tour. *sigh* -- ____________ /odd Warner Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. ---------------------gpg info in the message headers-------------------- "But when you think about it, it's mostly the bad decisions we make that change our lives. Good ones just get you home safely." -Chris Bliss From taw at redhat.com Wed Mar 10 15:47:07 2004 From: taw at redhat.com (Todd Warner) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:47:07 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Todd Warner wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: > > > Jeremy, > > > > Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... > > > > You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> > > Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in > > serious trouble *GRIN* > > > > Hope you all have a great and safe time. > > > > --christine > > Christine Wanta > > www.sluug.org/~cfw1 > > > > ps. need some spell checking on the page though. > > /me so wanted to be on the next tour. *sigh* I forgot the smiley... :) -- ____________ /odd Warner Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. ---------------------gpg info in the message headers-------------------- "But when you think about it, it's mostly the bad decisions we make that change our lives. Good ones just get you home safely." -Chris Bliss From cfw1 at sluug.org Wed Mar 10 16:44:01 2004 From: cfw1 at sluug.org (Christine Wanta) Date: Wed Mar 10 16:44:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404F8B24.6070406@sluug.org> Todd Warner wrote: >On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Todd Warner wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jeremy, >>> >>>Just looked at the World Tour site. Sounds like a lot of fun... >>> >>>You and Jonathan are a serious glutton for punishment, eh ;-> >>>Two weeks including jet lag, strange food and slang that can get you in >>>serious trouble *GRIN* >>> >>>Hope you all have a great and safe time. >>> >>>--christine >>>Christine Wanta >>>www.sluug.org/~cfw1 >>> >>>ps. need some spell checking on the page though. >>> >>> >>/me so wanted to be on the next tour. *sigh* >> >> > >I forgot the smiley... :) > > > luggage limits are awful so smuggling along is probably out *grin* (although I've got an excellent steamer truck... few holes, bucket and you've almost got the RV used last time...without the acquired smells ;-> --christine From jmcdermo at redhat.com Wed Mar 10 16:57:02 2004 From: jmcdermo at redhat.com (James McDermott) Date: Wed Mar 10 16:57:02 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <404F8B24.6070406@sluug.org> References: <404F8B24.6070406@sluug.org> Message-ID: <1078955951.24662.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 16:39, Christine Wanta wrote: > Todd Warner wrote: > > >On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Todd Warner wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: > luggage limits are awful so smuggling along is probably out *grin* > (although I've got an excellent steamer truck... > few holes, bucket and you've almost got the RV used last time...without > the acquired smells ;-> > > --christine But that would be like getting rid of your puppy cause he went out in the rain and came back in stinking like dirt and wet poo. Hes still your best friend, and even if he smells hes fun to play fetch with, and cuddle up to with his smelly little self.... awww... puppies..... *cackle* You shall endure the smell and Like It!! --J > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > From cfw1 at sluug.org Wed Mar 10 18:46:01 2004 From: cfw1 at sluug.org (Christine Wanta) Date: Wed Mar 10 18:46:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <1078955951.24662.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <404F8B24.6070406@sluug.org> <1078955951.24662.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <404FA7D3.8090802@sluug.org> there I go again... I forgot that redhat people get special pricing for psychiatric visits (something about the quantity, probably in needed visits ;-> take care all, --christine James McDermott wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 16:39, Christine Wanta wrote: > > >>Todd Warner wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Todd Warner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > >>luggage limits are awful so smuggling along is probably out *grin* >>(although I've got an excellent steamer truck... >>few holes, bucket and you've almost got the RV used last time...without >>the acquired smells ;-> >> >>--christine >> >> > >But that would be like getting rid of your puppy cause he went out in >the rain and came back in stinking like dirt and wet poo. Hes still your >best friend, and even if he smells hes fun to play fetch with, and >cuddle up to with his smelly little self.... awww... puppies..... > >*cackle* You shall endure the smell and Like It!! > >--J > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >>- >>For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ >- >For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > > > > From johnnie123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 11 01:05:00 2004 From: johnnie123 at sbcglobal.net (Johnnie Peters) Date: Thu Mar 11 01:05:00 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> Message-ID: <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 02:28, anthony baldwin wrote: > M. Fioretti wrote: > > Hello, > > > > One of the reasons usually mentioned to not care about sw efficiency > > (here and, sadly, on practically all Linux lists) is the "Moore's Law > > treadmill": HW would keep getting faster and cheaper so quickly that > > bothering about efficiency makes much less sense than just buying a > > new PC every other year. > > > > In general, this is a bogus thesis just doesn't make sense in the real > > world: a world mostly made of people who still have to work months, > > when they can, to buy any new Pc, and of people who may have the > > money, but rightly prefer to spend it in a thousand more meaningful > > ways. > > > > There is another reason, and now nobody less than the United Nation > > University confirms it, recommending to refuse the Moore's law and > > consumism: on the contrary, the useful lifespan of PCs should be > > extended as much as possible. Obviously this can happen only if Free > > SW like Linux distributions are made/kept as modular and light on HW > > resources as possible (ie quite lighter than today): > > > > "Short-Lived PCs Have Hidden Costs" > > > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62562,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 > > > > Ciao, > > Marco Fioretti > > > > PS: at this point I'm also forced to point out that the non profit, > > volunteer project in my signature was started two years ago just to > > provide Free Software that would make following today's UNU advice > > easier. Any support is welcome: right now, what we need more is ONE > > TIME help by PHP/MySQL experts to rebuild the website. Please spread > > the word! > > > > ...And, anyways, treating everything as dollar-store disposables > contributes to green house gases, over exploitation of resources and an > overabundance of trash. Buying a new PC every year is just a poor > prospect, environmentally. What happened to the days when things were > built to last? Pre Wallmart mentality. You and I are just out of date. My second Linux box is a 450 Mhz K6-2. Not terribly old but not new either. Johnnie From jmcdermo at redhat.com Thu Mar 11 10:27:00 2004 From: jmcdermo at redhat.com (James McDermott) Date: Thu Mar 11 10:27:00 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] world tour In-Reply-To: <404FA7D3.8090802@sluug.org> References: <404F8B24.6070406@sluug.org> <1078955951.24662.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <404FA7D3.8090802@sluug.org> Message-ID: <1079018950.4161.6.camel@dhcp59-137.rdu.redhat.com> Your only insane if the stock is down, when its up your "Eccentric" :) --J On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 18:42, Christine Wanta wrote: > there I go again... > I forgot that redhat people get special pricing for psychiatric visits > (something about the quantity, probably in needed visits ;-> > > take care all, > > --christine > > James McDermott wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 16:39, Christine Wanta wrote: > > > > > >>Todd Warner wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Todd Warner wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Christine Wanta wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>luggage limits are awful so smuggling along is probably out *grin* > >>(although I've got an excellent steamer truck... > >>few holes, bucket and you've almost got the RV used last time...without > >>the acquired smells ;-> > >> > >>--christine > >> > >> > > > >But that would be like getting rid of your puppy cause he went out in > >the rain and came back in stinking like dirt and wet poo. Hes still your > >best friend, and even if he smells hes fun to play fetch with, and > >cuddle up to with his smelly little self.... awww... puppies..... > > > >*cackle* You shall endure the smell and Like It!! > > > >--J > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > >>- > >>For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > >- > >For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Thu Mar 11 12:45:01 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:45:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> Message-ID: <1A0898FD-7384-11D8-80A3-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 12:07 AM, Johnnie Peters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 02:28, anthony baldwin wrote: >> ...And, anyways, treating everything as dollar-store disposables >> contributes to green house gases, over exploitation of resources and >> an >> overabundance of trash. Buying a new PC every year is just a poor >> prospect, environmentally. What happened to the days when things were >> built to last? > > Pre Wallmart mentality. You and I are just out of date. My second > Linux box is a 450 Mhz K6-2. Not terribly old but not new either. Things today are built to last. Only the product lifetimes have gotten shorter. And our lifetimes have gotten longer. Regards, - Robert From kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu Thu Mar 11 19:25:01 2004 From: kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu (Kevin Cole) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:25:01 2004 Subject: [OS:N:] REMINDER: WASHINGTON DC: RMS coming to YHSLUG, Mon., Mar. 15, 7pm. In-Reply-To: <20040227190045.GE19271@gri.gallaudet.edu> References: <20040227190045.GE19271@gri.gallaudet.edu> Message-ID: <20040312000731.GE29529@gri.gallaudet.edu> NEXT MONDAY! (Original announcement below.) _______________________________________________________________________ If you happen to be in the Washington DC area around mid-March, this may be of interest: Founder of the Free Software Foundation, and the GNU Project, Richard M. Stallman (RMS) will be presenting to the YHSLUG, in Northern Virgina, on Monday, March 15th at 7:00 pm. (He's also the principal author of such well-known programs as emacs, gcc, and gdb, among others.) The presentation will PROBABLY be in Room 1B (our usual meeting place). That's being confirmed today or tomorrow. If there's a change, I'll let folks know. However, it might behove you to check the web site as well (http://yhslug.tux.org/). Directions to Yorktown High School, as well as a "floorplan" to help you find your way to Room 1B, is on the website. -- Kevin Cole | Key ID: 0xE6F332C7 Gallaudet University | WWW: http://gri.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/ Hall Memorial Bldg S-419 | V/TTY: (202) 651-5135 Washington, D.C. 20002-3695 | FAX: (202) 651-5746 From cspencer at cait.org Sat Mar 13 06:12:05 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:12:05 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> Message-ID: <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> > Pre Wallmart mentality. You and I are just out of date. My second > Linux box is a 450 Mhz K6-2. Not terribly old but not new either. Wow! What I would give for that. I have a P-Pro 200 (x 2) and a PII-233. I'm living it up with my systems :-) -Chrisb From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Mar 13 16:12:19 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:12:19 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> Message-ID: <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> Chris Spencer wrote: >>Pre Wallmart mentality. You and I are just out of date. My second >>Linux box is a 450 Mhz K6-2. Not terribly old but not new either. > > > Wow! What I would give for that. I have a P-Pro 200 (x 2) and a > PII-233. > > I'm living it up with my systems :-) > > -Chrisb And I've been feeling CPU envy with a PIII 1ghz and 512mb ram. I guess I can work with this box for a whlie longer, then... -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Mar 14 20:40:44 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:40:44 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> Message-ID: <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > > > Chris Spencer wrote: > >>> Pre Wallmart mentality. You and I are just out of date. My second >>> Linux box is a 450 Mhz K6-2. Not terribly old but not new either. >> >> >> >> Wow! What I would give for that. I have a P-Pro 200 (x 2) and a >> PII-233. >> >> I'm living it up with my systems :-) >> >> -Chrisb > > > > And I've been feeling CPU envy with a PIII 1ghz and 512mb ram. > I guess I can work with this box for a whlie longer, then... > Somebody just donated a 400mhz AMD machine with 96mb ram and I'm loading RH8.0 on it right now. (Wouldn't take my K12 3.1.2 install discs, for some reason.) I'm going to put it in my classroom. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From rsanchez at metilinx.com Tue Mar 16 01:13:58 2004 From: rsanchez at metilinx.com (Rafael Sanchez) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:13:58 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] RE: N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible Message-ID: <706D9E3A8434E146BC8B159302F59C2C5EFD9D@EXCHANGE.metilinx.com> I agree with you Marco, in addition it should be also considered that companies cannot constantly renew their servers, it cost not only money in hardware, but in training and maintenance as well. Who is going to rebuild the server and port all the applications running into the new server ? Today there are several initiatives to reuse underutilized hardware (and other IT resources) Rafael rsanchez at metilinx.com -----Original Message----- From: open-source-now-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:open-source-now-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of M. Fioretti Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:24 PM To: OSS Now list Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible Hello, One of the reasons usually mentioned to not care about sw efficiency (here and, sadly, on practically all Linux lists) is the "Moore's Law treadmill": HW would keep getting faster and cheaper so quickly that bothering about efficiency makes much less sense than just buying a new PC every other year. In general, this is a bogus thesis just doesn't make sense in the real world: a world mostly made of people who still have to work months, when they can, to buy any new Pc, and of people who may have the money, but rightly prefer to spend it in a thousand more meaningful ways. There is another reason, and now nobody less than the United Nation University confirms it, recommending to refuse the Moore's law and consumism: on the contrary, the useful lifespan of PCs should be extended as much as possible. Obviously this can happen only if Free SW like Linux distributions are made/kept as modular and light on HW resources as possible (ie quite lighter than today): "Short-Lived PCs Have Hidden Costs" http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62562,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 Ciao, Marco Fioretti PS: at this point I'm also forced to point out that the non profit, volunteer project in my signature was started two years ago just to provide Free Software that would make following today's UNU advice easier. Any support is welcome: right now, what we need more is ONE TIME help by PHP/MySQL experts to rebuild the website. Please spread the word! -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Imagination is more important than knowledge -- Einstein >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe << ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Don't you wish you had more energy... or less ambition? _______________________________________________ Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: From etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com Tue Mar 16 17:05:55 2004 From: etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com (Etienne Goyer) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:05:55 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <4054C34C.60300@snet.net>; from anthonybaldwin@snet.net on Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 03:40:44PM -0500 References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 03:40:44PM -0500, anthony baldwin wrote: > Somebody just donated a 400mhz AMD machine with 96mb ram and I'm loading > RH8.0 on it right now. Unless you have specific reason for using an older distribution, I suggest you stick to the latest release (that would be Fedora Core 1 for RedHat). There are many reasons: 1. Security: latest distribution (should) have less security bug pending out of the box. 2. Update: IIRC, RedHat does not produce patch anymore for RedHat 8. 3. User experience, software feature: considering the breakneck pace of OSS development, latest distribution bundled with the latest release of major software package will (or at least should) provide a better user experience. You may believe that older distribution are less bloated and thus would perform better on older hardware but this may be true. It's counterintuitive as we've been conditionned to increased bloat coming with each revision with CSS, but it does not always hold true with OSS. Kernel 2.6 apparently perform much better than 2.4 for desktop (can't comment as I have only used it on server). Gnome and KDE are also being optimized release after release; KDE 3.2 is reputedly more responsive than 3.1. If you have only RH 8 media in hand, you could ask your friendly LUG if somebody could lend you a more recent set of CD. Just my humble 0,02$. -- Etienne Goyer Linux Qu?bec Technologies Inc. http://www.LinuxQuebec.com etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com From Matthew.Frye at rexhealth.com Tue Mar 16 18:04:21 2004 From: Matthew.Frye at rexhealth.com (Frye, Matthew) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:04:21 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible Message-ID: <95796EEB962111468091DAAB4ABE934E03F19F3E@tinman3.rexhealth.com> I've done extensive testing and this is true on both counts. While I haven't taken specific measurements of time, etc., there is a perceivable difference when running real world applications for both desktop and server. -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Goyer [mailto:etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:06 PM To: Open source advocacy in education and government Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible Kernel 2.6 apparently perform much better than 2.4 for desktop (can't comment as I have only used it on server). Gnome and KDE are also being optimized release after release; KDE 3.2 is reputedly more responsive than 3.1. From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Mar 17 01:32:40 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:32:40 +1100 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> Message-ID: <1079487160.15405.9.camel@hermione> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 04:05, Etienne Goyer wrote: > 2. Update: IIRC, RedHat does not produce patch anymore for RedHat 8. FedoraLegacy - http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://training.bytebot.net/ - OpenOffice.org Training http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com Wed Mar 17 16:27:30 2004 From: etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com (Etienne Goyer) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:27:30 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <1079487160.15405.9.camel@hermione>; from byte@aeon.com.my on Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 12:32:40PM +1100 References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> <1079487160.15405.9.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <20040317112730.H30819@etienne.intranet> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 12:32:40PM +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 04:05, Etienne Goyer wrote: > > > 2. Update: IIRC, RedHat does not produce patch anymore for RedHat 8. > > FedoraLegacy - http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ A colleague of mine evaluated various legacy support source for RH 7.3, and he was not really satisfied with Fedora Legacy. We opted for Progeny instead. -- Etienne Goyer Linux Qu?bec Technologies Inc. http://www.LinuxQuebec.com etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Mar 17 22:07:27 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:07:27 +1100 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <20040317112730.H30819@etienne.intranet> References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> <1079487160.15405.9.camel@hermione> <20040317112730.H30819@etienne.intranet> Message-ID: <1079561246.15407.107.camel@hermione> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 03:27, Etienne Goyer wrote: > > > 2. Update: IIRC, RedHat does not produce patch anymore for RedHat 8. > > > > FedoraLegacy - http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ > > A colleague of mine evaluated various legacy support source for RH 7.3, > and he was not really satisfied with Fedora Legacy. We opted for > Progeny instead. To satisfy my own curiosity (and to make Fedora Legacy improve), what was the deciding factor when it came to Progeny versus Fedora Legacy? Tell the Legacy team where improvements need to be made will be significant, since legacy updates are going to be made for a long time! -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com Thu Mar 18 14:39:09 2004 From: etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com (Etienne Goyer) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:39:09 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Why Free SW should remain as light as possible In-Reply-To: <1079561246.15407.107.camel@hermione>; from byte@aeon.com.my on Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:27AM +1100 References: <20040310042424.GA3723@inwind.it> <404EEDC1.20403@snet.net> <1078985225.2990.2.camel@obelix> <1079158324.24270.1256.camel@cnote> <405332E3.6080802@snet.net> <4054C34C.60300@snet.net> <20040316120555.K28736@etienne.intranet> <1079487160.15405.9.camel@hermione> <20040317112730.H30819@etienne.intranet> <1079561246.15407.107.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <20040318093909.N30819@etienne.intranet> Hi, I can't get very specific as I am neither the one who did the investigation nor the one who made the final decision. Also, I don't speak officially for my employer. Basically, I think it boil down to : 1. Progeny service is _very_ cheap at 5$/month per server. 2. Progeny seem to be slightly faster in releasing update. This is especially important wrt security update. 3. Trust aspect of relying on a well-known business. So far, from what I hear (I am not the one responsible for software update), people here are very satisfied with the quality of the job Progeny is doing. The service is so cheap, I don't think the cost matter much in the end. That being said, I am quite happy the Fedora Legacy project exist as it provide a safety net for all the older RH users around there. I wish them a lot of success. Just my 0,02$, does not reflect the position of my employer, include standard disclaimer, YMMV, yadda, yadda. On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:27AM +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 03:27, Etienne Goyer wrote: > > > > > 2. Update: IIRC, RedHat does not produce patch anymore for RedHat 8. > > > > > > FedoraLegacy - http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ > > > > A colleague of mine evaluated various legacy support source for RH 7.3, > > and he was not really satisfied with Fedora Legacy. We opted for > > Progeny instead. > > To satisfy my own curiosity (and to make Fedora Legacy improve), what > was the deciding factor when it came to Progeny versus Fedora Legacy? > > Tell the Legacy team where improvements need to be made will be > significant, since legacy updates are going to be made for a long time! > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > -- Etienne Goyer Linux Qu?bec Technologies Inc. http://www.LinuxQuebec.com etienne.goyer at linuxquebec.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 25 02:26:09 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:26:09 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students Message-ID: <40624341.50503@snet.net> I received a few bits of computers from my church (http://www.allsouls.net), and with other spare parts I had acquired from other sources, built one computer, which is now in my 7/8 grade classroom (http://sterling.school-library.net/). I have decided to give this copmuter away to a graduating 8th grade student at the end of the year, as reward for an essay contest (expository writing about Open Source Software or persuasive essay about why schools can benefit from using OSS.) I have enough parts here to maybe get another machine together, and I got an idea. I put out some feelers on a non-profit swap phone-in radio show, and sent a message to a local free giveaway/swapping e-mail list. the responses have been overwhelming. It seems there is a wealth of discarded hardware available. I also know that there are thousands of students who could make good use of this equipment, and schools, as well, that could use better access to technology. I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to recycle old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving students or schools. I have acquired software from Suse/Novell and/or can use other software, provided by the K12linux.org project(the machine in my classroom is running Red Hat Linux 8.0). I haven't the slightest idea how to begin this endeavour, however, and am asking for your feedback, advice or assistance. Thank you, Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jmcdermo at redhat.com Thu Mar 25 15:29:22 2004 From: jmcdermo at redhat.com (James McDermott) Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:29:22 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <40624341.50503@snet.net> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> Message-ID: <1080228562.13571.15.camel@dhcp59-137.rdu.redhat.com> Nice idea Anthony! Looks like there would be a number of areas to draw revenue for the hardware. 1: Goodwill, 2: Sponsorship, 3: PR, 4: Advertising just to start the ball rolling. Where to get started. hrm. Perhaps start with a well crafted information packet and website showing the benefits of providing hardware for redistribution. Also it might be a good idea to look into what kind of tax write off you can provide to donators based on their donation, and include this in the packet. Then its just a matter of canvassing. Youll have large corporations donate for the PR/goodwill, regular people donate because their significant others dont want the old computer taking up so much space in the living room, and heres the one Id really focus on... Corporations. They often have huge sales or just throw out hundreds of thousands of dollars of computers. I would think these groups would be thrilled to get a tax write off for their old boxes (which are often still quite fast). Also larger Universities often have large wharehouse sales of old computer equipment for pennies. Make sure you set up a donation spot, you can do this through paypal so there is a link right on your site. You can use this money for printing packets for the corporations and buying units. Also if there is a central address people can just "dump" their old equipment it might be worthwhile. There is probablly also a model to take high end parts which are in excess of what someone learning technology would need and ebay it for several "bulk discount" parts from a manufacturer to multiple the number of basic units you can provide. Just some thoughts, hope it helped, sounds like a really great idea. --J On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 21:26, anthony baldwin wrote: > I received a few bits of computers from my church > (http://www.allsouls.net), and with other spare parts I had acquired > from other sources, built one computer, which is now in my 7/8 grade > classroom (http://sterling.school-library.net/). I have decided to give > this copmuter away to a graduating 8th grade student at the end of the > year, as reward for an essay contest (expository writing about Open > Source Software or persuasive essay about why schools can benefit from > using OSS.) I have enough parts here to maybe get another machine > together, and I got an idea. I put out some feelers on a non-profit > swap phone-in radio show, and sent a message to a local free > giveaway/swapping e-mail list. the responses have been overwhelming. > It seems there is a wealth of discarded hardware available. I also know > that there are thousands of students who could make good use of this > equipment, and schools, as well, that could use better access to > technology. I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to > recycle old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving > students or schools. I have acquired software from Suse/Novell and/or > can use other software, provided by the K12linux.org project(the machine > in my classroom is running Red Hat Linux 8.0). > I haven't the slightest idea how to begin this endeavour, however, and > am asking for your feedback, advice or assistance. > > Thank you, > > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > From m.fioretti at inwind.it Thu Mar 25 05:20:15 2004 From: m.fioretti at inwind.it (M. Fioretti) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:20:15 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <40624341.50503@snet.net> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 21:26:09 PM -0500, anthony baldwin (anthonybaldwin at snet.net) wrote: > I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to recycle > old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving > students or schools. Anthony, the non profict project in my signature was started exactly to provide up to date Red Hat software and *support* for these situations. Expecially when LTSP / K12 are not applicable (an old computer can be a thin client *only* when networked to a *new* expensive computer. Not at home). We are now restructuring the website and preparing a new version for Fedora Core (still stuck to RH 9 in the meantime). Please visit us and join the mailing list to help, provide specific requirements, find members in your area and so on. We look forward to help you. Ciao, Marco Fioretti -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Sometimes when you fill a vacuum, it still sucks. -- Bill Joy, founder of Sun Microsystems From jmcdermo at redhat.com Thu Mar 25 20:12:36 2004 From: jmcdermo at redhat.com (James McDermott) Date: 25 Mar 2004 15:12:36 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> Message-ID: <1080245556.14551.14.camel@dhcp59-137.rdu.redhat.com> Nice! Sounds like a nice rounded solution to solve the technical support aspects of doing an implementation like this. Another area to explore would be what the end recipients would "do" with their new Open Source supported computers. Show how interactive Open Office is, and how kids can do their homework on products that are Open and quite powerful, or learn to program, build web pages for their school projects, connect their camera and add pictures easilly. Especially emphasize the collaborative nature of Open Source to take ideas and expand on them through countless online resources. This would modify the description of the plan brought to companies and vendors from providing computers to demonstrating how Open Source can turn a computer into a technology "experience." This fits with recent commercials like the HP camera printing bundle to allow you to "do" something with your computer, or the Dell roadtour commercials. --J On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:20, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 21:26:09 PM -0500, anthony baldwin > (anthonybaldwin at snet.net) wrote: > > > I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to recycle > > old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving > > students or schools. > > Anthony, > > the non profict project in my signature was started exactly to provide > up to date Red Hat software and *support* for these situations. > Expecially when LTSP / K12 are not applicable (an old computer can be > a thin client *only* when networked to a *new* expensive computer. Not > at home). > > We are now restructuring the website and preparing a new version for > Fedora Core (still stuck to RH 9 in the meantime). Please visit us and > join the mailing list to help, provide specific requirements, find > members in your area and so on. > > We look forward to help you. > > Ciao, > Marco Fioretti From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 25 20:49:44 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:49:44 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> Message-ID: <406345E8.3020105@snet.net> Thanks for bringing this to my attention! tony M. Fioretti wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 21:26:09 PM -0500, anthony baldwin > (anthonybaldwin at snet.net) wrote: > > >>I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to recycle >>old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving >>students or schools. > > > Anthony, > > the non profict project in my signature was started exactly to provide > up to date Red Hat software and *support* for these situations. > Expecially when LTSP / K12 are not applicable (an old computer can be > a thin client *only* when networked to a *new* expensive computer. Not > at home). > > We are now restructuring the website and preparing a new version for > Fedora Core (still stuck to RH 9 in the meantime). Please visit us and > join the mailing list to help, provide specific requirements, find > members in your area and so on. > > We look forward to help you. > > Ciao, > Marco Fioretti > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 25 20:58:09 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:58:09 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> Message-ID: <406347E1.6030400@snet.net> Marco, I don't seem to be able to find the ISOs for download. I have another machine together that could benefit from this work. Please assist. tony M. Fioretti wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 21:26:09 PM -0500, anthony baldwin > (anthonybaldwin at snet.net) wrote: > > >>I am considering, at this juncture, staring a non-profit to recycle >>old machines and attempt to disstribute them to needy/deserving >>students or schools. > > > Anthony, > > the non profict project in my signature was started exactly to provide > up to date Red Hat software and *support* for these situations. > Expecially when LTSP / K12 are not applicable (an old computer can be > a thin client *only* when networked to a *new* expensive computer. Not > at home). > > We are now restructuring the website and preparing a new version for > Fedora Core (still stuck to RH 9 in the meantime). Please visit us and > join the mailing list to help, provide specific requirements, find > members in your area and so on. > > We look forward to help you. > > Ciao, > Marco Fioretti > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From m.fioretti at inwind.it Thu Mar 25 21:11:23 2004 From: m.fioretti at inwind.it (M. Fioretti) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:11:23 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] computers for students In-Reply-To: <406347E1.6030400@snet.net> References: <40624341.50503@snet.net> <20040325052015.GA17310@inwind.it> <406347E1.6030400@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040325211123.GC935@inwind.it> (please reply to list message only to list, trimming what possible) On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 15:58:09 PM -0500, anthony baldwin (anthonybaldwin at snet.net) wrote: > Marco, > I don't seem to be able to find the ISOs for download. I have > another machine together that could benefit from this work. Please > assist. Known problem, sorry. The savannah server was compromised. They restored RULE stuff here: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/savannah/files/rule/slinky/slinky-v0.3.96 For the checksums, please do look in today's archives of the RULE mailing list (I'm offline now, sorry again). We will restore correct links asap. Please subscribe to the mailing list, register your PC in the test database and let us know: 1) what you think 2) which assistance you need to use RULE in your schools Also, please do send technical questions directly to the list (low volume, but requires subscription). I look forward to hear from you. Ciao, Marco Fioretti -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Da quando amo, riesco ad indossare i miei anni: non sono piu' vecchia -- Sarah Cristina Ceccarelli From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Tue Mar 30 23:32:36 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:32:36 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] collaborating to setup BitTorrent Message-ID: <8695468A-82A2-11D8-92AA-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> Hello all, Has anyone here installed a BitTorrent server and would be willing to work with me on-line to set one up? I'm trying to setup a torrent server for ISOs of OpenSource software, but am having no luck searching google for docs on how to do this on a Linux box. I wouldn't mind working on this together with someone. The box I have is running ssh and screen over a DLS connection. So it would be easy to setup an account and a shared shell session. If you have broad band, we could share a desktop over VNC. Regards, - Robert From taw at redhat.com Tue Mar 30 23:36:45 2004 From: taw at redhat.com (Todd Warner) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:36:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OS:N:] collaborating to setup BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <8695468A-82A2-11D8-92AA-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Robert Citek wrote: > > Hello all, > > Has anyone here installed a BitTorrent server and would be willing to > work with me on-line to set one up? > > I'm trying to setup a torrent server for ISOs of OpenSource software, > but am having no luck searching google for docs on how to do this on a > Linux box. > > I wouldn't mind working on this together with someone. The box I have > is running ssh and screen over a DLS connection. So it would be easy > to setup an account and a shared shell session. If you have broad > band, we could share a desktop over VNC. > > Regards, > - Robert I have never done it myself, but supposedly it is fairly easy: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/guide.html This is assuming you can get apache to recognize the mime type and you can get apache to work in general on your box. -- ____________ /odd Warner Bit Twiddler - Operation Cheetah Flip - Red Hat Inc. ---------------------gpg info in the message headers-------------------- "But when you think about it, it's mostly the bad decisions we make that change our lives. Good ones just get you home safely." -Chris Bliss From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Tue Mar 30 23:52:09 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:52:09 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] collaborating to setup BitTorrent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <420F4850-82A5-11D8-92AA-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 05:36 PM, Todd Warner wrote: > I have never done it myself, but supposedly it is fairly easy: > http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/guide.html > > This is assuming you can get apache to recognize the mime type and you > can get apache to work in general on your box. Yup, it does sound simple. Unfortunately, those instructions are for Windows: "Item 3: Make the .torrent files Download and install CompleteDir from the download page. It will install under Start > All Programs > CompleteDir." CompleteDir is a Windows program. BTW, that same site has links for a Windows BT client and a slightly out-date OS X client. On the linux side, you can use 'apt-get install bittorrent' on Debian boxes. Not so sure how on Red Hat or other RPM-based distros. Regards, - Robert From cspencer at cait.org Wed Mar 31 15:04:30 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:04:30 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] collaborating to setup BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <420F4850-82A5-11D8-92AA-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <420F4850-82A5-11D8-92AA-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <1080745470.23438.0.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Like Todd I haven't had a need...I think you should start by typing: man btmakemetafile That seems to be the appropriate thing. -Chris On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 17:52, Robert Citek wrote: > On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 05:36 PM, Todd Warner wrote: > > I have never done it myself, but supposedly it is fairly easy: > > http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/guide.html > > > > This is assuming you can get apache to recognize the mime type and you > > can get apache to work in general on your box. > > Yup, it does sound simple. Unfortunately, those instructions are for > Windows: > > "Item 3: Make the .torrent files > > Download and install CompleteDir from the download page. It will > install under Start > All Programs > CompleteDir." > > CompleteDir is a Windows program. > > BTW, that same site has links for a Windows BT client and a slightly > out-date OS X client. On the linux side, you can use 'apt-get install > bittorrent' on Debian boxes. Not so sure how on Red Hat or other > RPM-based distros. > > Regards, > - Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." - Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928) From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Wed Mar 31 15:15:17 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:15:17 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] collaborating to setup BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <1080745470.23438.0.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <37D5E4E0-8326-11D8-9401-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 09:04 AM, Chris Spencer wrote: > Like Todd I haven't had a need...I think you should start by typing: > man btmakemetafile > > That seems to be the appropriate thing. I've tried 'man bt...' for all the bt* commands. Unfortunately, they are not very helpful. 'man {anything}' tends to be great once you know what you are doing and need a reference, but not so great as an introduction or tutorial. In summary: on Libranet, to install both client and server (tracker) software: apt-get install bittorrent -t unstable Read the docs: zcat /usr/share/doc/bittorrent/README.txt.gz | less I also subscribed to the Yahoo!Groups lists for BitTorrent: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BitTorrent/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BitTorrent_help/ So far, I've gotten a tracker running and a .torrent file made. I now just need to figure out how to modify my apache settings, "join" the web server with the tracker, and modify my NAT/FW to allow connections through. Where I'm stuck is that I'm not clear on how the tracker knows where the ISO is. That'll be tonight's project. Again, if anyone wants to pair-up to stumble through this together, I'm game. Regards, - Robert