From penguinista3 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 5 23:44:46 2004 From: penguinista3 at yahoo.com (morgan lim) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OS:N:] Re: Linux in Business Seminar, Oct 13th Norwood MA Message-ID: <20041005234446.74490.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: For those living in the Boston, MA area, there is an upcoming free Linux seminar with food included. See below for info: Linux in Business Seminar: How to run your business by using Linux and Open Source software: planning, deploying and managing your IT Infrastructure with Linux/OSS This Event is Free of Charge. Breakfast and lunch will be provided. This Event is sponsored by Pcs For Everyone/Source Code Corp. Date: Oct 13th, Wednesday, Time: 8am-12.30pm Location: Source Code Corporation 290 Vanderbilt Avenue Norwood, MA 02062 Speakers: Speakers: * PCs for Everyone * Laurent Gharda, COO, Open Country Inc. * Dr. John Horn, CEO Interstate Software Click here for more info: http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/itemdesc2.cfm?itmID=1212194&type=p&ItmSubCatID=146 For more info and registration, email mlim at opencountry.com. ===== "Changing with change is the changeless state" - Bruce Lee, Founder of Jeet Kune Do _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Kieran_M_Nolan at raytheon.com Wed Oct 6 05:01:19 2004 From: Kieran_M_Nolan at raytheon.com (Kieran M Nolan) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:19 -0700 Subject: [OS:N:] Kieran Nolan is out of the office Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 10/01/2004 and will not return until 10/11/2004. If you need assistance with your desktop/workstation, please contact *9RAY. For WTS problems, please contact Ed Senechal at 310-647-1372. If you need assistance with server access and could not reach the contacts above, please contact Keith Livio for assistance at 647-8141. From mfioretti at mclink.it Wed Oct 6 18:01:45 2004 From: mfioretti at mclink.it (M. Fioretti) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:01:45 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Scouting, Stallman and FLOSS Message-ID: <20041006180145.GG2743@mclink.it> Hello, everybody! after "Bit Prepared: a missing link?" (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7533) I am happy to announce "Bit Prepared II: Richard Stallman Meets the World Scout Bureau" (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7813) where "Richard Stallman from the FSF, Ray Saunders from the World Scout Bureau and the author discuss the connections between free software and Scouting philosophies" Enjoy! Marco Fioretti -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Red Hat & Fedora for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Life is the art of drawing without an eraser. - John Gardner From ekushey at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 22:07:33 2004 From: ekushey at gmail.com (Ekushey) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:07:33 +0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Dhaka Red Hat Meetup Group Message-ID: Meet other local Red Hat users from Dhaka, Bangladesh, to discuss Linux, Open Source and Free Software. Dhaka Red Hat Meetup Group, which was formed in September 15th 2004, will be organizing Meetups at various locations in Dhaka on the last Friday of every month. Red Hat users and enthusiasts from Dhaka with all levels of experience can join the group at http://redhat.meetup.com/270/ to attend the Meetup, which is officially brought to you by Red Hat. From waltondavid at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 07:48:26 2004 From: waltondavid at gmail.com (David Walton) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:18:26 +0530 Subject: [OS:N:] Safesquid-Content Filtering Proxy Server Message-ID: <549e0140410140048523709c0@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am a new register over here. I am planning to subscribe Safesquid-Content Filtering Internet Proxy Server for my enterprise. Have any one of you use this software before? Any feedback will be appreciated. www.safesquid.com and www.safesquid.com/forum. Thanks, David From jay at scherrer.com Thu Oct 14 16:48:53 2004 From: jay at scherrer.com (Jay Scherrer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:48:53 -0700 Subject: [OS:N:] Safesquid-Content Filtering Proxy Server In-Reply-To: <549e0140410140048523709c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <549e0140410140048523709c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410140948.53558.jay@scherrer.com> Thanks for the info. As a developer after seeing this promo and following the link, I see that there is promise for making a living upgrading Open Source projects. I have been using Privoxy. Runs even on Windows, is free, is customizable. Jay Scherrer On Thursday 14 October 2004 12:48 am, David Walton wrote: > Hello, > > I am a new register over here. I am planning to subscribe > Safesquid-Content Filtering Internet Proxy Server for my > enterprise. Have any one of you use this software before? Any > feedback will be appreciated. > www.safesquid.com and www.safesquid.com/forum. > Thanks, > David > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > From kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu Thu Oct 14 17:03:36 2004 From: kjcole at gri.gallaudet.edu (Kevin Cole) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:03:36 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] .LRN ('Dot-Learn') consortium formed Message-ID: <20041014170336.GA16817@gri.gallaudet.edu> [Slightly edited -- KJC] SOURCE: Linux Weekly News URL: http://lwn.net/Articles/106277/ .LRN ('DOT-LEARN') CONSORTIUM FORMED Several universities (including MIT, Heidelberg University, and the University of Sydney) have gotten together and announced the formation of the .LRN Consortium, which is dedicated to the development of open source educational software. More information is available at http://dotlrn.org/ Just to be clear: this seems to be a consortium to support and promote a particular suite of open source educational software: ".LRN is an open source application suite for learning and research communities." -- Kevin Cole | Key ID: 0xE6F332C7 Gallaudet University | WWW: http://gri.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/ Hall Memorial Bldg S-419 | V/TTY: (202) 651-5135 Washington, D.C. 20002-3695 | FAX: (202) 651-5746 From etienne.goyer at videotron.ca Thu Oct 14 19:09:12 2004 From: etienne.goyer at videotron.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:09:12 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] .LRN ('Dot-Learn') consortium formed In-Reply-To: <20041014170336.GA16817@gri.gallaudet.edu> References: <20041014170336.GA16817@gri.gallaudet.edu> Message-ID: <416ECED8.3070201@videotron.ca> Another project with similar goals would be SchoolTool at http://www.schooltool.org/. What's cool about SchoolTool is that the project director and benefactor (Mark Shuttleworth, the excentric that was the first space tourist) is offering bounties for its development. Kevin Cole wrote: > [Slightly edited -- KJC] > > SOURCE: Linux Weekly News > URL: http://lwn.net/Articles/106277/ > > .LRN ('DOT-LEARN') CONSORTIUM FORMED > > Several universities (including MIT, Heidelberg University, and the > University of Sydney) have gotten together and announced the formation > of the .LRN Consortium, which is dedicated to the development of open > source educational software. More information is available at > http://dotlrn.org/ > > Just to be clear: this seems to be a consortium to support and promote > a particular suite of open source educational software: > > ".LRN is an open source application suite > for learning and research communities." > From yinming at mdc-ds.com Mon Nov 22 01:36:21 2004 From: yinming at mdc-ds.com (Yin Ming) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:36:21 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? Message-ID: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Anyone in list? From accessys at smart.net Mon Nov 22 01:36:53 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:36:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> References: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Yin Ming wrote: > Anyone in list? no I'm not here.... Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From byte at aeon.com.my Mon Nov 22 03:19:32 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:19:32 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> References: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: <1101093572.3807.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 09:36 +0800, Yin Ming wrote: > Anyone in list? We're all here, and is there something specific you need answered? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From yinming at mdc-ds.com Mon Nov 22 03:17:44 2004 From: yinming at mdc-ds.com (Yin Ming) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:17:44 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: References: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: <20041122111304.0FC5.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:36:53 -0500 (EST) Access Systems wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Yin Ming wrote: > > > Anyone in list? > > no I'm not here.... > > Bob Hi, Bob, I'm trying to write study projects in Unix env, such as shell, networking applications, etc. Do you have any good list about these topics? Both on techniques and project management. From yinming at mdc-ds.com Mon Nov 22 05:17:51 2004 From: yinming at mdc-ds.com (Yin Ming) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:17:51 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: <1101093572.3807.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> <1101093572.3807.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041122123446.0FD6.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:19:32 +0800 Colin Charles wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 09:36 +0800, Yin Ming wrote: > > Anyone in list? > > We're all here, and is there something specific you need answered? Oh, just wondering why nobody discussing here, I got none of mails since subscribed three days ago. And I'm looking for a good place to learn anything about personal development, especially in planning and management. I'm trying to write some project for practice, but I don't know how to plan and manage. After several years' learning, I didn't write anything runable. Every time I get a good idea, and begin to start, I get lost into details quickly. I cannot separate the designing and realizing. It seems a mist I am not able to break out. I think there must be some methods to guide me advancing in such an unknown area. From byte at aeon.com.my Mon Nov 22 05:40:00 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:40:00 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: <20041122123446.0FD6.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> References: <20041122093602.0FBE.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> <1101093572.3807.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041122123446.0FD6.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: <1101102000.3807.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 13:17 +0800, Yin Ming wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 09:36 +0800, Yin Ming wrote: > > > Anyone in list? > > > > We're all here, and is there something specific you need answered? > > Oh, just wondering why nobody discussing here, I got none of mails since > subscribed three days ago. Quiet it has been... Let's poke Greg, to see if he's around > And I'm looking for a good place to learn anything about personal > development, especially in planning and management. Maybe you're looking for Planner - check it out in fedora Core 3 > I'm trying to write some project for practice, but I don't know how to > plan and manage. After several years' learning, I didn't write anything > runable. Every time I get a good idea, and begin to start, I get lost > into details quickly. I cannot separate the designing and realizing. It > seems a mist I am not able to break out. I think there must be some > methods to guide me advancing in such an unknown area. You're not being clear. You want project management, try Planner. You want an open source project to work with in general? There's so much software out there, provided you can code -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Mon Nov 22 05:46:28 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:46:28 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Nobody here? In-Reply-To: <20041122123446.0FD6.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, Nov 21, 2004, at 23:17 US/Central, Yin Ming wrote: > And I'm looking for a good place to learn anything about personal > development, especially in planning and management. One way to learn coding, planning, and management is to join one or more existing OpenSource projects. By participating, you will observe how those people plan and manage their projects, how they deal with issues, and how they allocate resources. SourceForge.net has a bunch (>91,000). I would venture that more than 95% are crud, about 5% are decent, and the rest are quite good. Try to find a good one. Hint: they tend to appear within the top 100 on the "Most Active" list. Also, join a not-so good project as well. In that way you will learn how not to manage a project. But all that is just my opinion. Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From moga at timisoara.net Mon Nov 22 08:36:44 2004 From: moga at timisoara.net (Christian Eichert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:36:44 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] Capsulated development In-Reply-To: References: <20041122123446.0FD6.YINMING@mdc-ds.com> Message-ID: <20041122083644.GA11898@bidding-online.de> Hi Robert and all the rest, you are right leaning by doing is one of the best methods. But lerning coding by must supporting the histerical answers on the redhat list is to much pain. Geting involbed is okay, but remember that the best software packages have not been written in groups. Or eaven in small groups. I also write a lot of code. But I never work with teams of developers. It makes no sense, and gives no satisfaction, because you sometimes dont' eaven realize when the project is over. Mfg Cchr. Eichert ----------8<--------------------------------------- > > On Sunday, Nov 21, 2004, at 23:17 US/Central, Yin Ming wrote: > >And I'm looking for a good place to learn anything about personal > >development, especially in planning and management. > > One way to learn coding, planning, and management is to join one or > more existing OpenSource projects. By participating, you will observe > how those people plan and manage their projects, how they deal with > issues, and how they allocate resources. SourceForge.net has a bunch > (>91,000). I would venture that more than 95% are crud, about 5% are > decent, and the rest are quite good. Try to find a good one. Hint: > they tend to appear within the top 100 on the "Most Active" list. > Also, join a not-so good project as well. In that way you will learn > how not to manage a project. > > But all that is just my opinion. > > Regards, > - Robert > http://www.cwelug.org/downloads > Help others get OpenSource. Distribute FLOSS for > Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > --------------------------------------->8---------- From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Mon Nov 22 15:51:37 2004 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:51:37 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Capsulated development In-Reply-To: <20041122083644.GA11898@bidding-online.de> Message-ID: <648955B4-3C9E-11D9-8B6F-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> On Monday, Nov 22, 2004, at 02:36 US/Central, Christian Eichert wrote: > Geting involbed is okay, but remember that the best software packages > have not been written in groups. > Or eaven in small groups. Agreed. Yet I wonder how many people are working on the linux kernel? > I also write a lot of code. > But I never work with teams of developers. It makes no sense, and gives > no satisfaction, because you sometimes dont' eaven realize when the > project is over. Agreed. But a single person doesn't scale well. I wonder how Linus does it? Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From rzaniewski at falkcorp.com Mon Nov 22 17:03:26 2004 From: rzaniewski at falkcorp.com (Ryan Zaniewski) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:03:26 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 (Vacation) Message-ID: I will be out of the office until November 23rd. Please fax all order forms/job tickets to 414-937-9036. Feel free to contact our staff, at 414-937-9039, with any questions you may have. If this is a business emergency, please contact Kevin Timm at 262-797-5254. Thanks, Ryan Zaniewski Account Coordinator Xerox Services at Falk From moga at timisoara.net Mon Nov 22 22:18:25 2004 From: moga at timisoara.net (Christian Eichert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:18:25 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] Capsulated development In-Reply-To: <648955B4-3C9E-11D9-8B6F-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <20041122083644.GA11898@bidding-online.de> <648955B4-3C9E-11D9-8B6F-000A95880F88@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <20041122221825.GA13326@bidding-online.de> ----------8<--------------------------------------- > > On Monday, Nov 22, 2004, at 02:36 US/Central, Christian Eichert wrote: > >Geting involbed is okay, but remember that the best software packages > >have not been written in groups. > >Or eaven in small groups. > > Agreed. Yet I wonder how many people are working on the linux kernel? about 15 efectivly there should be some 300 but there is a hardcore group of 15 guys that rock the nation the rest is the team :-) > >I also write a lot of code. > >But I never work with teams of developers. It makes no sense, and gives > >no satisfaction, because you sometimes dont' eaven realize when the > >project is over. > > Agreed. But a single person doesn't scale well. I wonder how Linus > does it? I dont write kernels I write applications and small workarounds for to tweak some programms on customers server. linus is a cool guy i love him but i think he got his method if you join kernel development mailing list on kernel.org you can see them talking ... it is a nice feeling to be on the same newsgroup eith linus but there is nothing to learn from ... you cant go there and ask "hey what about the dword there on line 356 ... so keep coding and trust in god :-)) christian --------------------------------------->8---------- From steven.mercurio at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 17:20:13 2004 From: steven.mercurio at comcast.net (steven.mercurio at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:20:13 +0000 Subject: [OS:N:] Where are all the Linux/open source jobs? Message-ID: <112320041720.17844.41A3714D0009ABEB000045B4220075074401079D9A0C9D0A03D2020A900A9B9C@comcast.net> Just wondering in anyone else has seen this as well. I've been searching for a new job for a year now and even with the RHCE I can't find anyone at all in the Philadelphia, NJ, DE area that wants anyone with Linux and open source skills. I've been working with Linux in a production environment since Red Hat v7 came out and I've got 7+ years in IT. I keep seeing Linux in the news as the #1 fastest growing OS in the world and the US but I'm really thinking thats a bunch of hipe with nothing real behind it. Any thoughts? -- Steven Mercurio Network Engineer RHCE, CNE, MCSE, (CISSP by 12/31/04) From penguinista3 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 17:51:17 2004 From: penguinista3 at yahoo.com (morgan lim) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OS:N:] Where are all the Linux/open source jobs? In-Reply-To: <112320041720.17844.41A3714D0009ABEB000045B4220075074401079D9A0C9D0A03D2020A900A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20041123175117.45931.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: Jobs and growth in Linux OS is two different things. I am a director of sales, been selling and marketing open source for years now. Currently I'm with a software company that develop management and disaster recovery tools for Linux systems. With this position I am preview to many companies Linux strategy. Yes I definitely see a growth in linux servers, blades and appliances not much desktop. As for jobs, I think it is also a matter of training: instead of hiring linux experts, they retrain their formerly MCSE staffs to manage linux servers. I will keep an eye out for you when I go through my leads. I'll keep your email handy. Morgan --- steven.mercurio at comcast.net wrote: > Just wondering in anyone else has seen this as well. > I've been searching for a new job for a year now > and even with the RHCE I can't find anyone at all in > the Philadelphia, NJ, DE area that wants anyone with > Linux and open source skills. I've been working > with Linux in a production environment since Red Hat > v7 came out and I've got 7+ years in IT. I keep > seeing Linux in the news as the #1 fastest growing > OS in the world and the US but I'm really thinking > thats a bunch of hipe with nothing real behind it. > Any thoughts? > > -- > Steven Mercurio > Network Engineer > RHCE, CNE, MCSE, (CISSP by 12/31/04) > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > ===== "Changing with change is the changeless state" - Bruce Lee, Founder of Jeet Kune Do __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From rzaniewski at falkcorp.com Tue Nov 23 18:01:00 2004 From: rzaniewski at falkcorp.com (Ryan Zaniewski) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:01:00 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 (PC Down) Message-ID: My PC is currently down due to a major upgrade to the Xerox Document Management Center back-up system. Please bring all order forms to the Document Center or fax them to 414-937-9036. I apologize for the inconvenience. From rzaniewski at falkcorp.com Tue Nov 23 18:00:55 2004 From: rzaniewski at falkcorp.com (Ryan Zaniewski) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:00:55 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 (Vacation) Message-ID: I will be out of the office until November 23rd. Please fax all order forms/job tickets to 414-937-9036. Feel free to contact our staff, at 414-937-9039, with any questions you may have. If this is a business emergency, please contact Kevin Timm at 262-797-5254. Thanks, Ryan Zaniewski Account Coordinator Xerox Services at Falk From etienne.goyer at videotron.ca Tue Nov 23 18:14:05 2004 From: etienne.goyer at videotron.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:14:05 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Where are all the Linux/open source jobs? In-Reply-To: <112320041720.17844.41A3714D0009ABEB000045B4220075074401079D9A0C9D0A03D2020A900A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <112320041720.17844.41A3714D0009ABEB000045B4220075074401079D9A0C9D0A03D2020A900A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41A37DED.3060203@videotron.ca> steven.mercurio at comcast.net wrote: > Just wondering in anyone else has seen this as well. I've been searching for a new job for a year now and even with the RHCE I can't find anyone at all in the Philadelphia, NJ, DE area that wants anyone with Linux and open source skills. I've been working with Linux in a production environment since Red Hat v7 came out and I've got 7+ years in IT. I keep seeing Linux in the news as the #1 fastest growing OS in the world and the US but I'm really thinking thats a bunch of hipe with nothing real behind it. Any thoughts? I have gone freelance a few months ago, and I had jobs lined back-to-back since then. Demand for Linux skills seem to be booming from what I can see. My area's economy is mostly dominated by public administration, which seem to have woken up to OSS. I hear a lot about pilot and test deployement in the public sector. My ex-employer is a Linux integrator that does pretty well in the SMB market selling turn-key solution and support. He currently employ four people working full-time installing and supporting Linux. I would not be surprised if he hire more people eventually. Personnally, I think the Linux is about to become a very sought-after skills. I don't think there will ever be the same volume of jobs as those for more entrenched skillset such as Windows, but there will certainly be much less candidate for Linux/OSS position in the near future. I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I can't tell if your problems are related to your local job market, the Linux job market in general or your job-searching strategy. All I can say is that things are good for me ... at last ! Good luck with your job hunting. Etienne Goyer