From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Sat Jan 14 23:53:15 2006 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:53:15 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? Message-ID: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end hardware? I'm helping out a local non-profit group "refurbish" machines that they get as donations. This group then uses the machines to teach young kids about computing and sells the machines to raise a bit of cash. Most of these machines are low-end x86 machines, e.g. <400 MHZ, <128 MB RAM, <6 GB HDD, usually a WinModem. Currently, their standard operating procedure is to triage the machine (if the machine is not working as a whole, remove parts and assemble a working machine from parts), wipe the drive, install Windows 98 and some application software, and configure the modem for dial-up. Because of licensing restrictions on Windows98, they'd like to move to Linux. The question is, what distro given the older hardware? To date I've tried the following: FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, VectorLinux, Knoppix (using PDI, no install), Ubuntu (server install followed by install of xfce4), CentOS (base install followed by install of xfce4). Each distro has its pluses and minuses but nothing stood out at the clear choice so far. VectorLinux using xfce4 +ROX has come the closest to ideal. The requirements for a distro, in addition to being able to run on older hardware, are: 1) look/feel similar enough to MS Windows so learning curve is not too steep. E.g. start-menu, manipulating windows, configuring system. xfce4 with some tweaks seems to work fairly well, but I'm curious to know of other's experiences. 2) simple to install application software. Installing synaptic on most debian-based systems addresses this. 3) simple to clone or script an install. I'm most familiar with kickstart, but perhaps there are other solutions. 4) provide an obvious upgrade path. Ubuntu looks nicest for this: on low-end hardware use xfce and on more powerful hardware use KDE/Gnome. Of course, the hardest requirement is that it has to be "palatable" to the other volunteers who are doing the work. In my experience, if the software is too different (steep learning curve) or gives them too much headache (too inconsistent, buggy), they walk away. And no non-profit wants to lose volunteers. If anyone wants to share experiences or recommendations, I'd love to hear them. Or if people know of blogs that already discuss some or all of what I'm looking for, please do post links. Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From Kapara at worldbank.org Sun Jan 15 03:00:09 2006 From: Kapara at worldbank.org (Kapara at worldbank.org) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:00:09 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] Mission Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 01/05/2006 and will not return until 01/16/2006. I'll have access to e-mails from time to time From cmacd at telecomottawa.net Sun Jan 15 03:11:08 2006 From: cmacd at telecomottawa.net (Charles MacDonald) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:11:08 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <43C9BD4C.3060100@TelecomOttawa.net> Robert Citek wrote: > > What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end hardware? > > I'm helping out a local non-profit group "refurbish" machines that they > get as donations. This group then uses the machines to teach young > kids about computing and sells the machines to raise a bit of cash. > Most of these machines are low-end x86 machines, e.g. <400 MHZ, <128 MB > RAM, <6 GB HDD, usually a WinModem.> I have not tried it but you might want to check out the RULE Project. http://www.rule-project.org/ (run Up-to-date Linux Everywhere) They make a modified installer that loads A subset of Fedora (red-hat) on older machines. -- Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario cmacd at TelecomOttawa.net Just Beyond the Fringe http://www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/ No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail. From dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 04:55:31 2006 From: dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com (Dmitry Mityugov) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:55:31 +0300 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: On 1/15/06, Robert Citek wrote: > > What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end > hardware? ... > To date I've tried the following: FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, > VectorLinux, Knoppix (using PDI, no install), Ubuntu (server install > followed by install of xfce4), CentOS (base install followed by > install of xfce4)... Wondering if Pupply Linux can help in this situation in any way? -- Dmitry Mityugov, St. Petersburg, Russia I ignore all messages with confidentiality statements "We live less by imagination than despite it" - Rockwell Kent, "N by E" From irwan at magnifix.com.my Mon Jan 16 06:56:53 2006 From: irwan at magnifix.com.my (Mohd Irwan Jamaluddin) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:56:53 +0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <1137394613.3451.8.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 17:53 -0600, Robert Citek wrote: > What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end > hardware? I would give Debian a try. Maybe you can refer to http://distrowatch.com/ as well. > I'm helping out a local non-profit group "refurbish" machines that > they get as donations. This group then uses the machines to teach > young kids about computing and sells the machines to raise a bit of > cash. Most of these machines are low-end x86 machines, e.g. <400 > MHZ, <128 MB RAM, <6 GB HDD, usually a WinModem. Currently, their > standard operating procedure is to triage the machine (if the machine > is not working as a whole, remove parts and assemble a working > machine from parts), wipe the drive, install Windows 98 and some > application software, and configure the modem for dial-up. Because > of licensing restrictions on Windows98, they'd like to move to > Linux. The question is, what distro given the older hardware? > > To date I've tried the following: FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, > VectorLinux, Knoppix (using PDI, no install), Ubuntu (server install > followed by install of xfce4), CentOS (base install followed by > install of xfce4). Each distro has its pluses and minuses but > nothing stood out at the clear choice so far. VectorLinux using xfce4 > +ROX has come the closest to ideal. > > The requirements for a distro, in addition to being able to run on > older hardware, are: > > 1) look/feel similar enough to MS Windows so learning curve is not > too steep. E.g. start-menu, manipulating windows, configuring > system. xfce4 with some tweaks seems to work fairly well, but I'm > curious to know of other's experiences. > > 2) simple to install application software. Installing synaptic on > most debian-based systems addresses this. I love Debian for APT is such a rich tool. > 3) simple to clone or script an install. I'm most familiar with > kickstart, but perhaps there are other solutions. SystemImager: http://www.systemimager.org/ FAI: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ > 4) provide an obvious upgrade path. Ubuntu looks nicest for this: on > low-end hardware use xfce and on more powerful hardware use KDE/Gnome. > > Of course, the hardest requirement is that it has to be "palatable" > to the other volunteers who are doing the work. In my experience, if > the software is too different (steep learning curve) or gives them > too much headache (too inconsistent, buggy), they walk away. And no > non-profit wants to lose volunteers. > > If anyone wants to share experiences or recommendations, I'd love to > hear them. Or if people know of blogs that already discuss some or > all of what I'm looking for, please do post links. -- Regards, +--------------------------------+ | Mohd Irwan Jamaluddin | | ## System Engineer, | | (o_ Magnifix Sdn. Bhd. | | //\ Tel: +603 42705073 | | V_/_ Fax: +603 42701960 | | http://www.magnifix.com/ | +--------------------------------+ From yurekli_sitki at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 16:45:20 2006 From: yurekli_sitki at yahoo.com (Sitki Yurekli) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:45:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <20060116164520.61078.qmail@web30409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Robert, I installed Ubuntu Breezy into an 166 Mhz MMX with 256 MB Ram. Now I have several problems with standard Gnome manager. But I can solve them by using someother way won't come with standart installation. More, this installation is not the extreme one I tried Ubuntu, beforehand I installed Ubuntu on same machine with 64 MB, it worked but not in an acceptable way for newcommers. I tried same distro in Celeron 400 Mhz with 128 MB and the result was very satisfactory if I could assess it from your points of interest in this wonderfull project, and better than the first installation without any doubt. With respect to my prior experiences and problems on Fedora Core and Mandrake installations to brand new configurations, I could say, for me, Ubuntu is fine and preferable with Debian's stable support behind it for low-end machines. And, I couldn't forgot helps that I got from Knoppix's (Live distro but an older version) support on unexpected problems that I've faced. I really hope these lines can help you on your decision, Very best regards, Sitki Yurekli --- Robert Citek wrote: > > What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end > hardware? > > I'm helping out a local non-profit group "refurbish" machines that > they get as donations. This group then uses the machines to teach > young kids about computing and sells the machines to raise a bit of > cash. Most of these machines are low-end x86 machines, e.g. <400 > MHZ, <128 MB RAM, <6 GB HDD, usually a WinModem. Currently, their > standard operating procedure is to triage the machine (if the machine > > is not working as a whole, remove parts and assemble a working > machine from parts), wipe the drive, install Windows 98 and some > application software, and configure the modem for dial-up. Because > of licensing restrictions on Windows98, they'd like to move to > Linux. The question is, what distro given the older hardware? > > To date I've tried the following: FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, > VectorLinux, Knoppix (using PDI, no install), Ubuntu (server install > > followed by install of xfce4), CentOS (base install followed by > install of xfce4). Each distro has its pluses and minuses but > nothing stood out at the clear choice so far. VectorLinux using > xfce4 > +ROX has come the closest to ideal. > > The requirements for a distro, in addition to being able to run on > older hardware, are: > > 1) look/feel similar enough to MS Windows so learning curve is not > too steep. E.g. start-menu, manipulating windows, configuring > system. xfce4 with some tweaks seems to work fairly well, but I'm > curious to know of other's experiences. > > 2) simple to install application software. Installing synaptic on > most debian-based systems addresses this. > > 3) simple to clone or script an install. I'm most familiar with > kickstart, but perhaps there are other solutions. > > 4) provide an obvious upgrade path. Ubuntu looks nicest for this: on > > low-end hardware use xfce and on more powerful hardware use > KDE/Gnome. > > Of course, the hardest requirement is that it has to be "palatable" > to the other volunteers who are doing the work. In my experience, if > > the software is too different (steep learning curve) or gives them > too much headache (too inconsistent, buggy), they walk away. And no > > non-profit wants to lose volunteers. > > If anyone wants to share experiences or recommendations, I'd love to > > hear them. Or if people know of blogs that already discuss some or > all of what I'm looking for, please do post links. > > Regards, > - Robert > http://www.cwelug.org/downloads > Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS > for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Mon Jan 16 17:00:13 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:00:13 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 Message-ID: <875585542@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Mon Jan 16 22:54:11 2006 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:54:11 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <43C9BD4C.3060100@TelecomOttawa.net> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> <43C9BD4C.3060100@TelecomOttawa.net> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Charles MacDonald wrote: > I have not tried it but you might want to check out the RULE Project. > http://www.rule-project.org/ (run Up-to-date Linux Everywhere) I had a look through the site but couldn't figure out answers to these questions: 1) what kernel is used? 2) how much disk space is required? 3) can it be automated using something like kickstart? 4) what window manager is used? Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From dank at kegel.com Mon Jan 16 23:48:46 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:48:46 -0800 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> <43C9BD4C.3060100@TelecomOttawa.net> Message-ID: On 1/16/06, Robert Citek wrote: > > http://www.rule-project.org/ (run Up-to-date Linux Everywhere) > > I had a look through the site but couldn't figure out answers to > these questions: > > 1) what kernel is used? > 2) how much disk space is required? > 3) can it be automated using something like kickstart? > 4) what window manager is used? RULE is an alternate installer for existing Linux distros. So, if you use RULE to install Fedora Core 4, you get Fedora Core 4's kernel, window manager, and all that. All they're solving is the insane RAM requirements of the Red Hat installer. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Tue Jan 17 15:48:46 2006 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:48:46 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> <43C9BD4C.3060100@TelecomOttawa.net> Message-ID: <33CCA692-83D8-46B6-A1A6-7EF674067F09@alum.calberkeley.org> On Jan 16, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Dan Kegel wrote: > All they're solving is the insane RAM requirements of > the Red Hat installer. Ah, understand. For the hardware the non-profit is getting donated, the existing installers that we have tried have worked fine, including FC4, CentOS, FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, Debian, and Ubuntu. So, a low-RAM installer is not an issue. Instead, we are more focused on these other items: 1) a look/feel similar to Windows 2) simple to install application software. 3) simple to clone or script an install. 4) provide an obvious upgrade path. I'm curious to know what others have tried. Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Tue Jan 17 15:50:21 2006 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:50:21 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: > Wondering if Pupply Linux can help in this situation in any way? We've tried that but had difficulties getting it installed to the hard drive. Although we'll probably try again. Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Tue Jan 17 17:00:12 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:00:12 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 3 Message-ID: <875651078@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Wed Jan 18 17:00:11 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:00:11 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4 Message-ID: <875716613@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Thu Jan 19 17:00:09 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:00:09 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 Message-ID: <875782148@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From tony at mail.applog.com Thu Jan 19 20:24:39 2006 From: tony at mail.applog.com (Tony Nichols) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:24:39 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> Message-ID: <1137702279.7015.12.camel@tony64.alsicorp.com> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 17:53 -0600, Robert Citek wrote: > What linux distro and setup do people here recommend for low-end > hardware? > > I'm helping out a local non-profit group "refurbish" machines that > they get as donations. This group then uses the machines to teach > young kids about computing and sells the machines to raise a bit of > cash. Most of these machines are low-end x86 machines, e.g. <400 > MHZ, <128 MB RAM, <6 GB HDD, usually a WinModem. Currently, their > standard operating procedure is to triage the machine (if the machine > is not working as a whole, remove parts and assemble a working > machine from parts), wipe the drive, install Windows 98 and some > application software, and configure the modem for dial-up. Because > of licensing restrictions on Windows98, they'd like to move to > Linux. The question is, what distro given the older hardware? > > To date I've tried the following: FeatherLinux, DamnSmallLinux, > VectorLinux, Knoppix (using PDI, no install), Ubuntu (server install > followed by install of xfce4), CentOS (base install followed by > install of xfce4). Each distro has its pluses and minuses but > nothing stood out at the clear choice so far. VectorLinux using xfce4 > +ROX has come the closest to ideal. > > The requirements for a distro, in addition to being able to run on > older hardware, are: > > 1) look/feel similar enough to MS Windows so learning curve is not > too steep. E.g. start-menu, manipulating windows, configuring > system. xfce4 with some tweaks seems to work fairly well, but I'm > curious to know of other's experiences. > > 2) simple to install application software. Installing synaptic on > most debian-based systems addresses this. > > 3) simple to clone or script an install. I'm most familiar with > kickstart, but perhaps there are other solutions. > > 4) provide an obvious upgrade path. Ubuntu looks nicest for this: on > low-end hardware use xfce and on more powerful hardware use KDE/Gnome. > > Of course, the hardest requirement is that it has to be "palatable" > to the other volunteers who are doing the work. In my experience, if > the software is too different (steep learning curve) or gives them > too much headache (too inconsistent, buggy), they walk away. And no > non-profit wants to lose volunteers. > > If anyone wants to share experiences or recommendations, I'd love to > hear them. Or if people know of blogs that already discuss some or > all of what I'm looking for, please do post links. > > Regards, > - Robert This has gotten alot of press coverage (used after Katrina). Here is the url: EZWebPC for free at http://www.livekiosk.com/kioskimages/ezwebpc-1.0-i386.iso From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Fri Jan 20 17:00:10 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:00:10 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6 Message-ID: <875847685@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in Sat Jan 21 17:00:15 2006 From: umesh.gowda at pcil.co.in (Umesh R. Gowda) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 Message-ID: <875913223@mail.eicon.in> I shall be on leave till the 21/01/ 2006 and may not be able to see my mail . During this period if you have any query in Linux/Computer, you may refer the same to Mr. Ummar Shaikh If you have any query in Sales and Service Application, please refer to Mr. Anil Shanbhag Regards, Umesh Gowda From rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org Sun Jan 22 22:05:07 2006 From: rwcitek at alum.calberkeley.org (Robert Citek) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:05:07 -0600 Subject: [OS:N:] Linux on low-end hardware? In-Reply-To: <1137702279.7015.12.camel@tony64.alsicorp.com> References: <6C089FE3-51AD-4B20-9ADE-C65E34C4A21E@alum.calberkeley.org> <1137702279.7015.12.camel@tony64.alsicorp.com> Message-ID: <986645CE-D7B1-4DAC-89FE-5CE8DE5B514D@alum.calberkeley.org> On Jan 19, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Tony Nichols wrote: > This has gotten alot of press coverage (used after Katrina). > Here is the url: > EZWebPC for free at > http://www.livekiosk.com/kioskimages/ezwebpc-1.0-i386.iso I wanted to read a bit more about it. However, the following links didn't have any additional information: http://www.livekiosk.com/kioskimages/ http://www.livekiosk.com/ Do you have any additional links? Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent From mogmios at mlug.missouri.edu Thu Mar 9 19:14:07 2006 From: mogmios at mlug.missouri.edu (Michael) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:14:07 -0800 Subject: [OS:N:] compact flash based systems Message-ID: <44107E7F.8060005@mlug.missouri.edu> I'm working on building a CF based Linux system with 4GB of space and am trying to pick the best applications for kids to use that'll fit in that space. Any advice? Thanks. -- Michael McGlothlin, tech monkey Tub Monkey http://www.tubmonkey.com/ From dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 19:30:02 2006 From: dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com (Dmitry Mityugov) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:30:02 +0300 Subject: [OS:N:] compact flash based systems In-Reply-To: <44107E7F.8060005@mlug.missouri.edu> References: <44107E7F.8060005@mlug.missouri.edu> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, Michael wrote: > I'm working on building a CF based Linux system with 4GB of space and am > trying to pick the best applications for kids to use that'll fit in that > space. Any advice? Thanks. supertux, tuxkart, tuxpaint, tuxracer, frozen-bubble, penguin-command, toppler. -- Dmitry Mityugov, St. Petersburg, Russia I ignore all messages with confidentiality statements "We live less by imagination than despite it" - Rockwell Kent, "N by E" From dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 19:31:00 2006 From: dmitry.mityugov at gmail.com (Dmitry Mityugov) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:31:00 +0300 Subject: [OS:N:] compact flash based systems In-Reply-To: References: <44107E7F.8060005@mlug.missouri.edu> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: > On 3/9/06, Michael wrote: > > I'm working on building a CF based Linux system with 4GB of space and am > > trying to pick the best applications for kids to use that'll fit in that > > space. Any advice? Thanks. > > supertux, tuxkart, tuxpaint, tuxracer, frozen-bubble, penguin-command, toppler. Oh, forgot about lbreakout2. -- Dmitry Mityugov, St. Petersburg, Russia I ignore all messages with confidentiality statements "We live less by imagination than despite it" - Rockwell Kent, "N by E" From mfioretti at mclink.it Sat Mar 18 11:48:06 2006 From: mfioretti at mclink.it (M. Fioretti) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:48:06 +0100 Subject: [OS:N:] FOSS community, disabled users must learn to communicate Message-ID: <20060318114806.GI16743@mclink.it> Greetings, here is an article I wrote on this subject: http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/03/13/1628249.shtml?tid=150 >From the article: > "What is the real issue? The way the software was developed and > distributed, or the way it limits or protects my rights?" You're obviously welcome to forward the link to whoever it may concern. Especially associations of disabled users. It would be great to have them and all FOSS supporters speak directly to each other about these issues. Shold any initiative come out of such a dialogue, please let me know! Any feedback is welcome. Thanks for your time, Marco -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 4 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Rules should encourage thinking, not discourage it. The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage