From jkinz at kinz.org Sat Sep 13 13:23:50 2008 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:23:50 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] List activity? Message-ID: <20080913132350.GA5936@redline.kinz.org> Hi all, Is the OSN list still active at all? If it isn't: 1. Does anyone want to revive it? 2. Or does anyone want to start an alternative? 3. Or can anyone suggest an existing org/community that is a reasonable duplicate of it? Jeff Kinz -- From mfioretti at nexaima.net Sat Sep 13 15:55:50 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:50 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] List activity? In-Reply-To: <20080913132350.GA5936@redline.kinz.org> References: <20080913132350.GA5936@redline.kinz.org> Message-ID: <20080913155550.GB3054@nexaima.net> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 09:23:50 AM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Hi all, > Is the OSN list still active at all? > If it isn't: > > 1. Does anyone want to revive it? If here or somewhere else, it doesn't really matter, but me, I'm always interested in channels to discuss open source in education and government. Hoping it'll help to resume discussions, you're welcome to have a look at the News section and left bar of http://digifreedom.net, where I posted in the last two months several things which fit just right with the charter of this list. Ciao, Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From cfrerichs at okoboji.k12.ia.us Mon Sep 15 13:26:15 2008 From: cfrerichs at okoboji.k12.ia.us (Frerichs, Chad) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:26:15 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] RE: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 References: <20080913160010.EA49A618292@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I am still listening, but not hearing much. I would also be interested in a new/different list since this one is a bit stagnant. Chad Frerichs Director of Technology Okoboji Community Schools Milford, IA 51351 ________________________________ From: open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com [mailto:open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com] Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 11:00 AM To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com Subject: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 Send open-source-now-list mailing list submissions to open-source-now-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at open-source-now-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of open-source-now-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. List activity? (Jeff Kinz) 2. Re: List activity? (M. Fioretti) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:23:50 -0400 From: Jeff Kinz Subject: [OS:N:] List activity? To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <20080913132350.GA5936 at redline.kinz.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Is the OSN list still active at all? If it isn't: 1. Does anyone want to revive it? 2. Or does anyone want to start an alternative? 3. Or can anyone suggest an existing org/community that is a reasonable duplicate of it? Jeff Kinz -- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:50 +0200 From: "M. Fioretti" Subject: Re: [OS:N:] List activity? To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <20080913155550.GB3054 at nexaima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 09:23:50 AM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Hi all, > Is the OSN list still active at all? > If it isn't: > > 1. Does anyone want to revive it? If here or somewhere else, it doesn't really matter, but me, I'm always interested in channels to discuss open source in education and government. Hoping it'll help to resume discussions, you're welcome to have a look at the News section and left bar of http://digifreedom.net , where I posted in the last two months several things which fit just right with the charter of this list. Ciao, Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ open-source-now-list mailing list open-source-now-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list End of open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 *************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would also be interested in a new/different list since this one is a bit stagnant. > > Chad Frerichs > Director of Technology > Okoboji Community Schools > Milford, IA 51351 > > ________________________________ > > From: open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com [mailto:open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com] > Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 11:00 AM > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Subject: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > > > > Send open-source-now-list mailing list submissions to > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > open-source-now-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of open-source-now-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. List activity? (Jeff Kinz) > 2. Re: List activity? (M. Fioretti) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:23:50 -0400 > From: Jeff Kinz > Subject: [OS:N:] List activity? > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080913132350.GA5936 at redline.kinz.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > Is the OSN list still active at all? > If it isn't: > > 1. Does anyone want to revive it? > 2. Or does anyone want to start an alternative? > 3. Or can anyone suggest an existing org/community that > is a reasonable duplicate of it? > > > Jeff Kinz > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:50 +0200 > From: "M. 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Gary From jeffrey_lepage at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 14:33:35 2008 From: jeffrey_lepage at yahoo.com (Jeffrey LePage) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OS:N:] RE: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <405116.5405.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Certainly there are other lists that are more active. For instance, there is ubuntu-education-request at lists.ubuntu.com (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education) Of course, this one is a little ubuntu-centric. Also, to be honest, the traffic on this one is not that high either. The problem of course is that the usefulness of a discussion list is directly proportional to the number of people that visit it on a daily basis. This list (and many others besides) have probably dropped below the threshold necessary to sustain itself. With all due respect to the fine people who started and sustained this and other discussion lists, I think it may be time for a _general_ call for consolidation. One mailing list to rule them all. I'm sure there's a website/organization/discussion-list out there that would be a good candidate. Would anyone like to volunteer some possibilities? I realize that my suggestion may seem presumptuous, given that I only joined this list a few months ago. I apologize in advance for any hurt feelings. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Frerichs, Chad wrote: > From: Frerichs, Chad > Subject: [OS:N:] RE: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:26 AM > I am still listening, but not hearing much. I would also be > interested in a new/different list since this one is a bit > stagnant. > > Chad Frerichs > Director of Technology > Okoboji Community Schools > Milford, IA 51351 > > ________________________________ > > From: open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com > [mailto:open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com] > Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 11:00 AM > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Subject: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > > > > Send open-source-now-list mailing list submissions to > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > open-source-now-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of open-source-now-list > digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. List activity? (Jeff Kinz) > 2. Re: List activity? (M. Fioretti) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:23:50 -0400 > From: Jeff Kinz > Subject: [OS:N:] List activity? > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080913132350.GA5936 at redline.kinz.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > Is the OSN list still active at all? > If it isn't: > > 1. Does anyone want to revive it? > 2. Or does anyone want to start an alternative? > 3. Or can anyone suggest an existing org/community that > is a reasonable duplicate of it? > > > Jeff Kinz > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:50 +0200 > From: "M. Fioretti" > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] List activity? > To: open-source-now-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080913155550.GB3054 at nexaima.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 09:23:50 AM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is the OSN list still active at all? > > If it isn't: > > > > 1. Does anyone want to revive it? > > If here or somewhere else, it doesn't really matter, > but me, I'm > always interested in channels to discuss open source in > education and > government. > > Hoping it'll help to resume discussions, you're > welcome to have a look > at the News section and left bar of http://digifreedom.net > , where I > posted in the last two months several things which fit just > right with > the charter of this list. > > Ciao, > > Marco > > -- > Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily > depend on how > software is used *around* you: > http://digifreedom.net/node/84 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > open-source-now-list mailing list > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > > End of open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > *************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Mon Sep 15 15:21:40 2008 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:21:40 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] RE: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <405116.5405.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <405116.5405.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48CE7D84.9030307@haywood.k12.nc.us> There should be an announcement very shortly from Red Hat/Fedora concerning a revival of the old k12linux list, as that package has matured significantly and has recruited several new developers. There is and has been good results from that camp. Michael Williams Technology Director Haywood County Schools Jeffrey LePage wrote: > Certainly there are other lists that are more active. For instance, there is > ubuntu-education-request at lists.ubuntu.com (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education) > Of course, this one is a little ubuntu-centric. Also, to be honest, the traffic on this one is not that high either. > > The problem of course is that the usefulness of a discussion list is directly proportional to the number of people that visit it on a daily basis. This list (and many others besides) have probably dropped below the threshold necessary to sustain itself. > > With all due respect to the fine people who started and sustained this and other discussion lists, I think it may be time for a _general_ call for consolidation. One mailing list to rule them all. I'm sure there's a website/organization/discussion-list out there that would be a good candidate. Would anyone like to volunteer some possibilities? > > I realize that my suggestion may seem presumptuous, given that I only joined this list a few months ago. I apologize in advance for any hurt feelings. > > > From stuart at bmsi.com Mon Sep 15 17:21:38 2008 From: stuart at bmsi.com (Stuart D. Gathman) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OS:N:] Open source home school In-Reply-To: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, "Gary Frederick" wrote: > I'm interested. > > I do not have a lot to say at the moment... and We are active in the > homeschool community so our mileage may vary. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing what open source others have at their > schools? We home schooled for 15 years (now at a Classical private school for our remaining little one). For home school computing, I bought a $400 Dell server running Linux (a Dell 500SC - decommissioned it last year, now have a Dell 440SC). I installed LTSP (ltsp.org), which allows discarded low power PCs to serve at thin clients. Bulky CRT monitors were free/cheap, and are now free since everyone is upgrading to LCD. This provided 5 computer workstations with a full complement of opensource educational software for $400. Favorite apps: gcompris, openoffice, dosemu plus some old but excellent DOS edutainment like Math Rescue and Word Rescue, tux typing. (Note, yes I purchased *Rescue - written by a homeschool mom.) Now a days, our college age girls have their own laptops (running Fedora 9). It is a real hassle making the retailer refund the Windows Tax when buying a laptop. (And kind of unfair since M$ sticks them with it. But they need to learn to stop signing contracts with the devil.) You can avoid that by buying one of the Ubuntu preinstalls - even if you don't run Ubuntu. Unfortunately, the pricing is the same as for a Windows preinstall for most vendors, but it is the principle of the thing (and the vendor does have customization costs if they do the OEM thing right and get all the right drivers loaded). -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From mfioretti at nexaima.net Mon Sep 15 20:58:06 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:58:06 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Article on Open source home school In-Reply-To: References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080915205806.GE2793@nexaima.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 13:21:38 PM -0400, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, "Gary Frederick" wrote: > > > I do not have a lot to say at the moment... and We are active in > > the homeschool community so our mileage may vary. :-) Stuart, Gary (and everybody else on list, of course) Believe it or not, I started preparing an article on FOSS for homeschooling one week ago, after an interesting online conversation with a Linux-only homeschooling parent. If interested, please contact me off list to answer a few specific questions (if you have comments of **general** interest you'd like to share with the list instead, that's fine for me too, but the questions I have are pretty specific and wouldn't be right to use the list for that). Ciao, Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From dnewcomb at triad.rr.com Tue Sep 16 22:28:29 2008 From: dnewcomb at triad.rr.com (doug newcomb) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:28:29 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1221604109.6057.24.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> At my son's charter school, the computer lab is entirely made up of Fedora 8 computers with Centos box as the server ( note, when using nfs, make sure you have more nfsd processes than clients ). The server also acts as the Windows PDC using samba (NT style domain, waiting for Samba 4) for the windows desktops/laptops that the teachers use. The windows boxes all have Openoffice and firefox installed. Most also have gimp and/org inkscape. Doug > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:42:39 -0500 > From: "Gary Frederick" > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] RE: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > To: "Open source advocacy in education and government" > > Message-ID: > <2784d7ed0809150642jb353059y85f81109a1d124c1 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm interested. > > I do not have a lot to say at the moment... > and > We are active in the homeschool community so our mileage may vary. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing what open source others have at their schools? > > OpenOfficeorg? > > Linux? > > ? > > Gary From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 20:25:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:25:22 -0700 Subject: [OS:N:] Re: open-source-now-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <1221604109.6057.24.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> <1221604109.6057.24.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> Message-ID: <1221769522.31569.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 18:28 -0400, doug newcomb wrote: > At my son's charter school, the computer lab is entirely made up of > Fedora 8 computers with Centos box as the server ( note, when using nfs, > make sure you have more nfsd processes than clients ). The server also > acts as the Windows PDC using samba (NT style domain, waiting for Samba > 4) for the windows desktops/laptops that the teachers use. > > The windows boxes all have Openoffice and firefox installed. Most also > have gimp and/org inkscape. We've got a small but fairly active group in Santa Cruz County looking at some similar ideas. One start is with a private school a few folks are parents at. I like that idea for a chance to test the process in a controlled environment. After that, we were frankly going to approach the local charter high schools, see if anyone was interested in the idea. Figuring the case study would help. Is there somewhere that has a good set of case studies of schools (of all types) migrating infrastructure, productivity, and/or coursework to be open source based? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mfioretti at nexaima.net Thu Sep 18 22:29:24 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:29:24 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Case studies of Open Source schools In-Reply-To: <1221769522.31569.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> <1221604109.6057.24.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> <1221769522.31569.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20080918222924.GF9559@nexaima.net> Karsten, may we ask you to please don't leave the subject when you reply to "OS:N digest etc.."? On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 13:25:22 PM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Is there somewhere that has a good set of case studies of schools > (of all types) migrating infrastructure, productivity, and/or > coursework to be open source based? This page may help: http://digifreedom.net/node/55 Most of its links lead either to case studies or, indirectly, to the school administrators who made them. Submissions of other schools are always welcome, of course. HTH, Marco PS: I sent you a private message a couple of days ago. If you didn't receive it, please let me know, it may be routing problems in my email server. Thanks. -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From dnewcomb at triad.rr.com Fri Sep 19 21:10:26 2008 From: dnewcomb at triad.rr.com (doug newcomb) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:10:26 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] Getting started In-Reply-To: <20080919160013.B77538E02FB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080919160013.B77538E02FB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1221858626.5454.27.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> Karsten, I don't have a case study for you, but I can tell you the way we got started. 1) I set up Dansguardian on linux as a proxy for their web traffic. This gave enough credibility to open source solutions to give a demo for: 2) K12LTSP - Implemented on 1 dual CPU Xeon 2GHz box with 2GB RAM and 25 clients ( Pentium II 266 -450 MHz). More manageable and no viruses, but things were rather sluggish when everyone opened OpenOffice. Also added Samba for Windows Domain controller to replace Windows 2000 server. During this time we found out that we could get surplus State government computers for $20 each (P4 1.7 GHz + 512 MB RAM), which has led to: 3) 25 Fedora desktops with IPtables configured to route all web traffic to the proxy server. Centos server using NIS + Samba for authorization/authentication. Want to go to LDAP, but haven't gotten there yet. > We've got a small but fairly active group in Santa Cruz County looking > at some similar ideas. One start is with a private school a few folks > are parents at. I like that idea for a chance to test the process in a > controlled environment. After that, we were frankly going to approach > the local charter high schools, see if anyone was interested in the > idea. Figuring the case study would help. > > Is there somewhere that has a good set of case studies of schools (of > all types) migrating infrastructure, productivity, and/or coursework to > be open source based? Doug From rich.vazquez at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 21:21:02 2008 From: rich.vazquez at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rich_V=C3=A1zquez?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:21:02 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] Getting started In-Reply-To: <1221858626.5454.27.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> References: <20080919160013.B77538E02FB@hormel.redhat.com> <1221858626.5454.27.camel@wombat1.homenet.net> Message-ID: <6a8228e70809191421m757e4a81oc106ae1f8327808b@mail.gmail.com> There aren't necessarily case studies, but are primers based on experienced folks The IOSN is producing a series of primers on Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). The primers serve as introductory documents to FOSS in general, as well as covering particular topic areas in greater detail. Their purpose is to raise FOSS awareness, particularly among policy-makers, practitioners and educators. The following are summaries of the primers have been published, or are currently being produced. http://www.iosn.net/publications/foss-primers FOSS: Education This primer covers the use of FOSS from schools to universities. It provides a brief overview of how it can help in setting up the IT infrastructure and administration of educational institutions and considers software (mainly proprietary) which is now used as the basis for IT curricula and alternative FOSS which is available. http://www.iosn.net/education/foss-education-primer/ On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM, doug newcomb wrote: > Karsten, > > I don't have a case study for you, but I can tell you the way we got > started. > > 1) I set up Dansguardian on linux as a proxy for their web traffic. > This gave enough credibility to open source solutions to give a demo > for: > > 2) K12LTSP - Implemented on 1 dual CPU Xeon 2GHz box with 2GB RAM and 25 > clients ( Pentium II 266 -450 MHz). More manageable and no viruses, but > things were rather sluggish when everyone opened OpenOffice. Also added > Samba for Windows Domain controller to replace Windows 2000 server. > > During this time we found out that we could get surplus State > government computers for $20 each (P4 1.7 GHz + 512 MB RAM), which has > led to: > > 3) 25 Fedora desktops with IPtables configured to route all web traffic > to the proxy server. Centos server using NIS + Samba for > authorization/authentication. Want to go to LDAP, but haven't gotten > there yet. > > > >> We've got a small but fairly active group in Santa Cruz County looking >> at some similar ideas. One start is with a private school a few folks >> are parents at. I like that idea for a chance to test the process in a >> controlled environment. After that, we were frankly going to approach >> the local charter high schools, see if anyone was interested in the >> idea. Figuring the case study would help. >> >> Is there somewhere that has a good set of case studies of schools (of >> all types) migrating infrastructure, productivity, and/or coursework to >> be open source based? > > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ > - > For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: > > -- -- Rich V?zquez From mfioretti at nexaima.net Mon Sep 22 11:02:56 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:02:56 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Article on Open source home school In-Reply-To: <20080915205806.GE2793@nexaima.net> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> <20080915205806.GE2793@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <20080922110256.GE2796@nexaima.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 22:58:06 PM +0200, io wrote: > Believe it or not, I started preparing an article on FOSS for > homeschooling one week ago, after an interesting online conversation > with a Linux-only homeschooling parent. If interested, please > contact me off list sorry to use the list for this, but here it is. Several people contacted me privately about this, and I sent them a few questions. Please let me know privately, as soon as possible, if you received them (complete answers to my questions are welcome, but not needed now, I just need to know if you got the message). The reason is that I suspect at least some of those messages from me where lost due to some problem with my email server (I've had several people I can trust telling me recently they had never received messages I had sent without problems). Thanks everybody for your patience! Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From mfioretti at nexaima.net Tue Sep 23 07:30:38 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:30:38 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Article on Open source home school In-Reply-To: <2784d7ed0809220414r4e4eac8bi9e207a3e9efb82bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> <20080915205806.GE2793@nexaima.net> <20080922110256.GE2796@nexaima.net> <2784d7ed0809220414r4e4eac8bi9e207a3e9efb82bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080923073038.GC2795@nexaima.net> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 06:14:04 AM -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > I got your email the day after we got power back after Ike... Hope everything is well, of course! I've answered your other questions in a private mail, no need to bother the list with them. Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Sep 23 11:30:19 2008 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:30:19 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] fl_teachertool with ltsp 5.0 Message-ID: <1222169419.7467.1.camel@143NB-01> Should fl_teachertool work with fedora 9 with ltsp 5? Just like to get an opinion on viability before I put the time in to the installation. Thanks, John Hansknecht From mfioretti at nexaima.net Tue Sep 23 15:38:57 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:38:57 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Article on Open source home school In-Reply-To: <2784d7ed0809230542n34854992lb31110abac2a0934@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080915160012.95BF98E0052@hormel.redhat.com> <20080915205806.GE2793@nexaima.net> <20080922110256.GE2796@nexaima.net> <2784d7ed0809220414r4e4eac8bi9e207a3e9efb82bc@mail.gmail.com> <20080923073038.GC2795@nexaima.net> <2784d7ed0809230542n34854992lb31110abac2a0934@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080923153857.GB3073@nexaima.net> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 07:42:35 AM -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > I hope to get my wife's homeschool (note the correct spelling...) > mailing list involved in getting you info. It will take a few days > to do that and then the responses (if any) will be slow coming back. OK, thanks. > A homeschool that uses open source may not use Linux. OpenOffice.org > should be used in all schools and there's other open source software > that's as good (gimp and Firefox come to mind). absolutely yes. If we made of this an all-or-nothing issue we'be wrong and we would also accomplish much less. Besides, I think a very important thing which is maybe even more important in homeschooling is to teach respect of law and playing by the rules. First thing is to not violate licenses. So if you bought a PC with Windows included and then use OpenOffice on it to not install Microsoft Office illegally, that's an excellent start, something which shouldn't be dismissed because you didn't switch 100% to FOSS. > I do want conversation on the list - if it is of general interest. > AND I do encourage others to get in touch with Marco if you can > help. He is one of the good guys :-) Thanks :-) -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From rdieter at math.unl.edu Tue Sep 23 16:05:15 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:05:15 -0500 Subject: [OS:N:] fl_teachertool with ltsp 5.0 In-Reply-To: <20080923160011.AFAE6618216@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080923160011.AFAE6618216@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48D913BB.8020500@math.unl.edu> > Should fl_teachertool work with fedora 9 with ltsp 5? Just like to get > an opinion on viability before I put the time in to the installation. As maintainer of fltk in fedora, I heard that it should. -- Rex open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send open-source-now-list mailing list submissions to > open-source-now-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > open-source-now-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > open-source-now-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of open-source-now-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Article on Open source home school (M. Fioretti) > 2. fl_teachertool with ltsp 5.0 (John Hansknecht) > 3. Re: Article on Open source home school (M. Fioretti) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:30:38 +0200 > From: "M. Fioretti" > Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Article on Open source home school > To: Open source advocacy in education and government > > Message-ID: <20080923073038.GC2795 at nexaima.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 06:14:04 AM -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: >> I got your email the day after we got power back after Ike... > > Hope everything is well, of course! I've answered your other questions > in a private mail, no need to bother the list with them. > > Marco From opensource at whitenitro.com Tue Sep 23 22:23:54 2008 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:23:54 -0400 Subject: [OS:N:] 2008 FOSS and K-12 Education Awards Message-ID: <32F7B285-194B-4627-A886-110416BA6443@whitenitro.com> The National Center for Open Source and Education (NCOSE) announces the winners of the * 2008 FOSS & K-12 Education Awards * The NCOSE FOSS and K-12 Education Awards are given as expressions of appreciation for the hard work and dedication of individuals who contribute immense amounts of their time and expertise to advancing the use of Open Source solutions in K-12 schools. In its inagural year, the Center has chosen individuals from all across the continent that have made an extraordinary contribution to Free and Open Source Software use in the field of K-12 education. 2008 Recipients Robert Arkiletian - Fl_TeacherTool Eric Harrison - K12LTSP Daniel Howard - GOSEF Paul Nelson - K12LTSP David Trask - NELS/FOSSED This year's awards will be presented to the recipients at the Open Minds Conference ( http://www.k12openminds.org/ )in Indianapolis, (USA) on Sept. 26th, 2008. The awards are being underwritten, in part, by Resara, an Open Source Educational Platform ( http:// www.resara.com/ ). (For more information about the awards and biographies of the recipients, go to the NCOSE website (http://www.ncose.org). From mfioretti at nexaima.net Thu Sep 25 05:22:42 2008 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:22:42 +0200 Subject: [OS:N:] Italian LUG turns Pakistani school into a educational model Message-ID: <20080925052242.GE2826@nexaima.net> As per subject, see http://www.linux.com/feature/148311 Ciao, Marco PS: I always welcome pointers to material for similar articles. -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84