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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Maybe we can load a polyfill when we
      detect IE11?<br>
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      Would this work for all the new features you plan to use Andres?<br>
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      On 5/22/2018 3:31 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">On <a href="http://keycloak.org"
          moz-do-not-send="true">keycloak.org</a> we have ~5% on IE11
        this year. Of IE users 95% of our users are on IE11.
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        <div>Looking at <a
            href="https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php</a>
          there's 2.81% for IE11. On <a
            href="http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide"
            moz-do-not-send="true">http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide</a>
          it says 7.17%, which I assume is mostly IE11. They don't give
          details on individual versions as far as I can see.</div>
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        <div>From my understanding there's still a lot of folks on
          Windows XP in the world and a good proportion has not updated
          to Edge. I remember how long it took to get rid of IE6.</div>
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        <div>For RH-SSO and Keycloak we have login pages as well as the
          account management console that both should be available to
          most users. Available is subjective of course, but if there's
          CSS variables used which is not supported at all on IE11 I
          would assume it would look very bad on IE11?</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 22 May 2018 at 21:05, Andres Galante
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agalante@redhat.com"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">agalante@redhat.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Hi Stian,
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              <div>How much of that IE traffic is IE11?</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:11
                    PM, Stian Thorgersen <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        href="mailto:sthorger@redhat.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sthorger@redhat.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">According to <a
                          href="http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://gs.statcounter.com/b<wbr>rowser-market-share/desktop/wo<wbr>rldwide</a> 
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                        <div>IE11 is still more popular than Edge.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>I get the same numbers from <a
                            href="http://keycloak.org" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">keycloak.org</a>.</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 22 May 2018 at
                              20:07, Stian Thorgersen <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  href="mailto:sthorger@redhat.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sthorger@redhat.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Is the world really ready
                                  to move on from IE11? For admin facing
                                  apps I don't see it as a problem, but
                                  what about end-user facing apps?</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 May
                                        2018 at 10:53, Guillaume Vincent
                                        <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            href="mailto:gvincent@redhat.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">gvincent@redhat.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">this is a good
                                            news, thank you patternfly !<br>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Thu, May 17, 2018 at
                                                  1:22 PM, Andres
                                                  Galante <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      href="mailto:agalante@redhat.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">agalante@redhat.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                      Stan, 
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                                                      <div>Yes! it means
                                                        we'll go back to
                                                        use CSS
                                                        variables
                                                        following the
                                                        same <a
                                                          href="https://css-tricks.com/theming-with-variables-globals-and-locals/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">2 tier variable system</a>
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                                                          <div>We'll
                                                          also be able
                                                          to use CSS
                                                          grids to build
                                                          layouts :)</div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Thu, May 17,
                                                          2018 at 8:14
                                                          AM, Stan
                                                          Silvert <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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                                                          quite happy to
                                                          ditch IE11.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Does that mean
                                                          PatternFly
                                                          Next will use
                                                          CSS variables
                                                          instead of
                                                          preprocessor
                                                          variables? 
                                                          Eliminating
                                                          the
                                                          preprocessor
                                                          will make me
                                                          double happy!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For our app we
                                                          want to allow
                                                          an
                                                          administrator
                                                          to do simple
                                                          theme changes
                                                          from the admin
                                                          console.  This
                                                          gets really
                                                          easy to
                                                          implement if
                                                          the app
                                                          doesn't need
                                                          preprocessing. 
                                                          If we have to
                                                          use a
                                                          preprocessor
                                                          then it
                                                          becomes
                                                          extremely
                                                          complicated.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Stan
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                                                          On 5/16/2018
                                                          4:55 PM,
                                                          Leslie Hinson
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hey
                                                          Fliers 
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                                                          <div>At the
                                                          last
                                                          PatternFly
                                                          Next update,
                                                          the topic of
                                                          IE11 browser
                                                          support came
                                                          up.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          the question
                                                          on whether or
                                                          not we needed
                                                          to support it
                                                          moving
                                                          forward. </div>
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                                                          <div>As a
                                                          result, we
                                                          wanted to
                                                          follow up to
                                                          ensure we
                                                          understood
                                                          PatternFly
                                                          users' browser
                                                          support
                                                          roadmap. From
                                                          what we've
                                                          been able to
                                                          gather, we
                                                          learned that
                                                          the majority
                                                          of PatternFly
                                                          users that are
                                                          interested in
                                                          migrating to
                                                          PatternFly-Next
                                                          are
                                                          comfortable
                                                          proceeding
                                                          without IE11
                                                          support moving
                                                          forward. We
                                                          will continue
                                                          to have PF3
                                                          for any users
                                                          that still
                                                          require that
                                                          level of
                                                          support,
                                                          however we
                                                          don't believe
                                                          that IE11
                                                          support is
                                                          worth the cost
                                                          for this next
                                                          major
                                                          version.  </div>
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                                                          <div>Thanks to
                                                          everyone that
                                                          raised this
                                                          concern as
                                                          well as those
                                                          that provided
                                                          input to help
                                                          us make this
                                                          decision. <br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Leslie
                                                          Hinson</div>
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