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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Maybe we can load a polyfill when we
detect IE11?<br>
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Would this work for all the new features you plan to use Andres?<br>
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On 5/22/2018 3:31 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On <a href="http://keycloak.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">keycloak.org</a> we have ~5% on IE11
this year. Of IE users 95% of our users are on IE11.
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<div>Looking at <a
href="https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php</a>
there's 2.81% for IE11. On <a
href="http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide</a>
it says 7.17%, which I assume is mostly IE11. They don't give
details on individual versions as far as I can see.</div>
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<div>From my understanding there's still a lot of folks on
Windows XP in the world and a good proportion has not updated
to Edge. I remember how long it took to get rid of IE6.</div>
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<div>For RH-SSO and Keycloak we have login pages as well as the
account management console that both should be available to
most users. Available is subjective of course, but if there's
CSS variables used which is not supported at all on IE11 I
would assume it would look very bad on IE11?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 22 May 2018 at 21:05, Andres Galante
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agalante@redhat.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">agalante@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div>How much of that IE traffic is IE11?</div>
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PM, Stian Thorgersen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sthorger@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">According to <a
href="http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://gs.statcounter.com/b<wbr>rowser-market-share/desktop/wo<wbr>rldwide</a>
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<div>IE11 is still more popular than Edge.</div>
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<div>I get the same numbers from <a
href="http://keycloak.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">keycloak.org</a>.</div>
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20:07, Stian Thorgersen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">Is the world really ready
to move on from IE11? For admin facing
apps I don't see it as a problem, but
what about end-user facing apps?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 May
2018 at 10:53, Guillaume Vincent
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<div dir="ltr">this is a good
news, thank you patternfly !<br>
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Thu, May 17, 2018 at
1:22 PM, Andres
Galante <span
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Stan,
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<div>Yes! it means
we'll go back to
use CSS
variables
following the
same <a
href="https://css-tricks.com/theming-with-variables-globals-and-locals/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">2 tier variable system</a>
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<div>We'll
also be able
to use CSS
grids to build
layouts :)</div>
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Thu, May 17,
2018 at 8:14
AM, Stan
Silvert <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>></span>
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quite happy to
ditch IE11.<br>
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Does that mean
PatternFly
Next will use
CSS variables
instead of
preprocessor
variables?
Eliminating
the
preprocessor
will make me
double happy!<br>
<br>
For our app we
want to allow
an
administrator
to do simple
theme changes
from the admin
console. This
gets really
easy to
implement if
the app
doesn't need
preprocessing.
If we have to
use a
preprocessor
then it
becomes
extremely
complicated.<br>
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Stan
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On 5/16/2018
4:55 PM,
Leslie Hinson
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey
Fliers
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<div>At the
last
PatternFly
Next update,
the topic of
IE11 browser
support came
up.
Specifically,
the question
on whether or
not we needed
to support it
moving
forward. </div>
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<div>As a
result, we
wanted to
follow up to
ensure we
understood
PatternFly
users' browser
support
roadmap. From
what we've
been able to
gather, we
learned that
the majority
of PatternFly
users that are
interested in
migrating to
PatternFly-Next
are
comfortable
proceeding
without IE11
support moving
forward. We
will continue
to have PF3
for any users
that still
require that
level of
support,
however we
don't believe
that IE11
support is
worth the cost
for this next
major
version. </div>
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<div>Thanks to
everyone that
raised this
concern as
well as those
that provided
input to help
us make this
decision. <br
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