<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"></style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <p><br> </p> <br> <br> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> rdo-list-bounces@redhat.com <rdo-list-bounces@redhat.com> on behalf of Adam Young <ayoung@redhat.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:12 AM<br> <b>To:</b> rdo-list@redhat.com<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rdo-list] Packstack refactor and future ideas</font> <div> </div> </div> </div> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;"> <div class="PlainText">On 06/08/2016 07:05 PM, Ivan Chavero wrote:<br> ><br> > ----- Original Message -----<br> >> From: "Alan Pevec" <apevec@redhat.com><br> >> To: "Ivan Chavero" <ichavero@redhat.com><br> >> Cc: "rdo-list" <rdo-list@redhat.com><br> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 5:48:07 PM<br> >> Subject: Re: [rdo-list] Packstack refactor and future ideas<br> >><br> >>> I don't agree with this, we can set the untested features as "experimental"<br> >> or "unsupported"<br> >><br> >> Best is to remove them to make that clear, because no matter what<br> >> deprecation warnings you put[*] people will keep using features until<br> >> they're gone, giving us bug reports to take care of and without CI to<br> >> verify fixes.<br> >> It's long-term maintenance burden I am concerned about, for features<br> >> which are clearly out of scope.<br> > I understand this, my concern is that if we remove this feature we will leave<br> > users with no tool for doing multinode in a lightweight way and this might<br> > drive off users from testing/adopting RDO.<br> <br> I think it is starting to have the opposite effect. Packstack, being <br> available, gives the wrong idea about RDO: you are supposed to install <br> bare metal.<br> <br> The Tripleo Quickstart approach is that everything is in a VM.<br> <br> Sorry , if I am asking stupid question , but in meantime TripleO QuickStart<br> configuration been generated on VIRTHOST is not persistent between cold<br> reboots. As soon as I shutdown UNDERCLOUD VM (as stack) it's gone for ever.<br> Packstack deployments on usual VMs driven by KVM/Libvirt are persistent <br> between cold reboots. I don't have to start every morning from scratch<br> Am I missing something in current TripleO QuickStart status ?<br> <br> Thanks.<br> Boris.<br> <br> <br> <br> Packstack is doing too much: image building, provision, and running the <br> system.<br> <br> A better approach would be to have our tooling set out so that a user <br> can build their own images, and then deploy to a VM. OR better yet, a <br> container.<br> <br> <br> We need to drive on to Kolla.<br> <br> <br> Kolla as the Controller for Tripleo and Kolla running in a VM and Kolla <br> running on my desktop should all be close enough to identical to avoid <br> the fragmentation we have now.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ><br> > I'm willing to create CI tests for multinode Packstack in order to maintain<br> > this features.<br> ><br> > And believe me it would be easier for me just to drop this features but i really<br> > think users are benefiting from this features.<br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> > Ivan<br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > rdo-list mailing list<br> > rdo-list@redhat.com<br> > <a id="LPlnk24938" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rdo-list">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rdo-list</a> <div style="margin-bottom: 20px; overflow: auto; width: 100%; text-indent: 0px;" id="LPBorder_GT_14654826829970.3778210597221854"> <table style="width: 90%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; overflow: auto; padding-top: 20px; padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; border-top: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200); border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200);" id="LPContainer_14654826829940.8875539294770832" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr style="border-spacing: 0px;" valign="top"> <td colspan="2" style="vertical-align: top; position: relative; padding: 0px; display: table-cell;" id="TextCell_14654826829950.7928541784346913"> <div id="LPRemovePreviewContainer_14654826829950.9083556497998381"></div> <div style="top: 0px; color: rgb(0, 120, 215); font-weight: 400; font-size: 21px; font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_light","Segoe UI Light","Segoe WP Light","Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 21px;" id="LPTitle_14654826829950.0247497084437045"> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rdo-list" style="text-decoration: none;" id="LPUrlAnchor_14654826829950.5806492085089376">rdo-list Info Page - Red Hat</a></div> <div style="margin: 10px 0px 16px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: 400; font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_normal","Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;" id="LPMetadata_14654826829960.16858092909519162"> www.redhat.com</div> <div style="display: block; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: 400; font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_normal","Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; max-height: 100px; overflow: hidden;" id="LPDescription_14654826829960.1953468546380599"> The rdo-list mailing list provides a forum for discussions about installing, running, and using OpenStack on Red Hat based distributions. 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