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</head><BODY BGCOLOR="#F0F0F0"><p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">Its a bit of a catch 22 situation - it seems the only cost affective way to get RH (or pretty much anyone else for that matter) certification is to get your company to pay for it but if you want the cert. to get a job then youre pretty much foo bar'd.</SPAN></p>
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<p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">Ive trying to persude my company to get me on these type or courses for years and still havent accomplished much - b@stards ;p</SPAN></p>
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<p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">I'm not sure whats available in the US but in the UK the only official IT certification available to a lot of people are NVQs (National Vocational Qualifications) - I've done a few of these but, to be fair, they're not much use. For example i done a level 3 in 'Install and Supporting IT Systems' and the hardest task was to install an OS - hardly the most demanding task for your average tech. AFAIK, they dont do much beyond that - certainly nothing involving server support - not even 1st line stuff.</SPAN></p>
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<p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">Just my 2c worth.</SPAN></p>
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<p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">Jeff</SPAN></p>
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<p><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:27:18 -0400, Hamilton, Andrew wrote:<br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> Even if you did it yourself taking the test costs over $700... </SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> That's a considerable expense...IMO..and I have a job...</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> -----Original Message-----</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> From: bdw@briandwright.com [<a href="mailto:bdw@briandwright.com]">mailto:bdw@briandwright.com]</a> Sent:</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:08 PM To: General Red Hat Linux</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> discussion list</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> Subject: Re: Spring into action with Red Hat training</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> I agree completely.  Given the high unemployment rate among IT</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> folk, not many people have the $2500 to spare.</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">> If anyone has good tips on doing it yourself, I'd like to know.</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> All,</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> I got this wonderful email today about training and the fantastic</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> gifts available if you do training courses.</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> I keep on looking at the Redhat website to see if prices are</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> going down, but they dont.</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> I also keep on bumping into this:</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:purple;">>>> All training classes must be paid in full at least one week</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:purple;">>>> prior to the</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';color:purple;">>>></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> start >of the class and no more than 30 days after registration,</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> no student</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> will be >allowed to enter the classroom without prior payment in</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> full. If Red</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> Hat, Inc. >has has not received payment by the appropriate date,</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';">>> we reserve the right to >cancel the registration.</SPAN><SPAN style="font-family:'Tahoma';"><br/></SPAN><SPAN st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