Opteron Vs. Athlon X2
Bryan J. Smith
b.j.smith at ieee.org
Tue Dec 6 03:42:14 UTC 2005
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 19:35 -0500, Peter Arremann wrote:
> E6 stepping has better memory timing capability (400 with a higher number of
> memory banks)
Huh? All Socket-939/940 processors have 4x 32-bit banks (2x 64-bit DDR
channels). FYI, Socket-754 + 184 (2nd DDR channel traces) = 938. ;->
> and improved power saving. E3s overclock better though :-D
> The board you've got is a 939 pin socket and will not accept dual core cpus or
> opterons (socket 940).
FYI, the new dual-core Opteron 165 and 175 are Socket-939. They use
unregistered DDR SDRAM, just like any other Socket-939 processor.
> Not really that much. In fact, because of the slower memory timing of socker
> 940 opterons (registered memory adds latency) the performance improvements
> from the larger cache are mostly negated according to our tests.
Agreed, but if you're going with a Socket-939 Opteron 1xx, then that's
not an issue.
> No - Socket 940 (most opterons) and 939 (some 1xx opterons and Athlon64) are
> not compatible. The 939 1xx opterons that are out now are nothing more than a
> relabeled Athlon64 X2 anyway.
Huh? Not exactly true, especially since some are E5 and others are E6.
And there _are_ the thermal differences.
> I would recommend the X2 over two 2xx single core opterons. You can reuse your
> memory if you choose to. You will save yourself money on CPU and memory. Your
> motherboard will be cheaper. The opterons will be louder because of the addl.
> fans.
Not if you get the "HE" single core versions that use only 55W. The
Opteron 246HE is virtually _no_ premium over the older 246. The Opteron
250+ are the newer steppings. You'll have twice the number of memory
channels and width.
But from a cost perspective, I agree.
> If you're thinking of a single 1xx 939 opteron you might have a hard time
> finding a board with support for it (two months ago I could barely find any
> boards that were certified for it). It will run anyway just fine on 99% of
> all 939 boards that work with the equivalent X2.
Agreed. The value of the Socket-939 Opteron 1xx is really the new,
entry-level server mainboards built for it. We've talked about the
SuperMicro here.
> On the other side, if you go for dual 2xx opterons and you pay extra for a
> good board, you get a huge improvement on IO. Multiple PCI-X busses and the
> like are nice to have on most servers but for a developers workstation it
> doesn't really matter.
As long as you don't need more than 100MBps in disk and network.
Otherwise, PCI-X is still much better because most desktop mainboards
only ship with PCIe x1 channels outside of video.
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