AMD64 chipset Linux support ....
Bryan J. Smith
b.j.smith at ieee.org
Wed Jul 12 05:00:03 UTC 2006
On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 23:40 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> Oooohhhhhhh, you're just too kind :-).
Seriously William. We had several threads on your issues with the i865
(as well as i845) month after month after month. That wasn't even a
"professional/corporate desktop" chipsets, that's the i875.
I'm just trying to help you friend.
> When I say lightweight, I *mean* lightweight. NO public access,
What does "public" have _anything_ to do with it?
In fact, LAN I/O is typically far more intense.
> NO apache, NO DNS,
Apache and DNS typically have more to do with _computational_
performance. If you're throwing files around on a LAN, that's I/O!
We've had this discussion before, when you've had compatibility and
performance issues. Moving from an Intel i845/i865 (again, not even a
i875 that is tested for professional, desktop use -- and totally
ignoring the E72xx/75xx) to a ViA KT series is a _lateral_ move.
Again, referring back to your experience with the 694 -- back in the
late '90s, I used to replace i440BX/GX and 693/694 chipsets with
ServerSet IIIs -- often for ~$250. A measly $100 more in the mainboard
makes _all_ the difference when you're spending $1K!
> NO several dozen users at any 1 time, just CPU, RAM, & code to run ad
> nauseum.
What is its function?
Again, why save $100 on a system that costs $500-1,000 anyway, when
another $100 will give you server performance and quality?
> It *will* live at runlevel 3,
When does "graphics" have _anything_ to do with "storage/communcation"
I/O? William, I think this is where you keep missing the point, and why
you keep running into issue after issue on your systems.
I can't believe you've now taken all those issues and discussions we had
months ago with your issues and just thrown them out-the-window. Spend
$175+ on an E72xx series mainboard for P4, or $235 for a HT1000 for
Opteron.
> but the server traits end there, for the most part. I was mostly
> asking about reasonably complete/stable Linux support for that
> chipset, decent %-age of full speed for RAM-intensive calculations,
Can you elaborate on the application?
> etc. e.g. good OS/chipset interaction for my somewhat truncated
> requirements.
Intel 72xx series hsa pretty much been the "Tier-1 PC OEM Gold Standard"
for P4 (as well as Xeon) for workstation/entry-level server for 3+ years
(and that's not looking at the new 5000 series which just came out a few
months ago).
On AMD, it's been either the aging AMD8000 series, or the 18 month
proven nForce Professional with the AMD8131/8132 added for PCI-X. On
the low-end (single Socket-939), the ServerWorks HT1000 does the job for
kernel 2.6 just fine.
> Someone else (another list)
Yes, LUNA.
> indicated all was well, care to dispute that ?
Yes, I do! And I responded to him as well! It's clear he's used to
desktop uses as well. Desktop I/O is _different_ than server I/O, even
just for a few clients.
William, you've had a _lot_ of issues that I've helped you with. I
didn't mind, especially since you said didn't know about the E72xx/75xx
series prior. And we discussed this at length.
But now you're going right back into the rut. And you're going to run
into the same issues. I honestly thought you really appreciated it when
we went into the i8xx/9xx v. E72xx/75xx series differences months back.
I guess not! @-ppp
This isn't a "my way dammit" discussion. This is me saying, "Hey,
remember all those issues you had? I thought you weren't going to dot
hem again?"
Spend an extra $100. It's damn worth it.
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