From bdevouge at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 09:24:50 2006 From: bdevouge at redhat.com (Boris Devouge) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:24:50 +0000 Subject: FC on ASUS SLI Deluxe for AMD64 X2 In-Reply-To: <200602280951.00651.lamont@gurulabs.com> References: <5B8C5F3796BB11489C2AB2A5EA76380B66754C@1297-b043-exs01.iisbu.saic.com> <4404718C.3060203@redhat.com> <200602280951.00651.lamont@gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <44056862.6020402@redhat.com> Lamont R. Peterson wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 08:51am, Boris Devouge wrote: >> Mcguffey, David C wrote: >>> Just finished building a dual boot workstation using the ASUS SLI Deluxe, >>> an AMD64 X2 4200, 4 GB of RAM, two 250 GB SATA in RAID 0 using the >>> onboard Nvida raid contoller, and an ATI Radeon X850 XT PCI-E video card. >>> >>> Based on prior guidance to install Windows first on a dual-boot system, >>> Win XP 64 bit is installed and running A-OK on a 250 GB partition. >>> >>> Next step is to install FC4 or FC5 (preferably FC5) on the remaining 250 >>> GB of unpartitioned space. >>> >>> Anything I need to be aware of before I start this process? Win XP 64 >>> required a special Nvida RAID driver as part of the install process. >>> Will FC4/5 recognize the existing Nvida stripe RAID, or will I have to do >>> something special during the install? >>> >>> Dave McGuffey >>> Principal Information Assurance Engineer / ISSE >>> SAIC IISBU, Columbia, MD >> As far as I am aware, the nvidia sata raid is one of those false >> hardware raid ( really a software raid ) and it does require a special >> driver ( windows only ) to pick up the logical volume information >> defined on the array. > > No, it's not windows only. > > I have a co-worker who has an nVidia Fake-RAID (a.k.a. FRAID) equipped > motherboard who has been using the dmraid stuff in FC5 test releases. There > have been some problems (see the thread: > [ http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2006-February/msg01007.html ]), > but it's getting closer. > You are completely right about the dm-raid stuff, the _only_ quite important issue, is that anaconda does not pick up the dmraid stuff yet ( in stable RHEL / FC, test releases, as you stated, are working towards this), therefore, if he has a raid 0 configured under windows, i can't see anyway where he will be able to write to that logical volume at install. >> More information is available there: >> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#nvidia > > I didn't have time to look at this, so I have no comment on it. > >> On FC/RHEL, the system will see 2 separate drives instead of the raid 0 >> you defined using the raid bios utility. So you can use software raid >> but it will hose your window installation. > > I can not comment authoritatively, as I do not have one of these FRAIDs. > However, I do not think this statement is accurate if you are using the > dmraid support, but it probably is in the described setup. > >> Hope this helps. > > Me too. > Cheers. From DAVID.C.MCGUFFEY at saic.com Wed Mar 1 19:39:09 2006 From: DAVID.C.MCGUFFEY at saic.com (Mcguffey, David C) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:39:09 -0500 Subject: FC on ASUS SLI Deluxe for AMD64 X2 Message-ID: <5B8C5F3796BB11489C2AB2A5EA76380B667581@1297-b043-exs01.iisbu.saic.com> > You are completely right about the dm-raid stuff, the _only_ quite > important issue, is that anaconda does not pick up the dmraid > stuff yet > ( in stable RHEL / FC, test releases, as you stated, are > working towards > this), therefore, if he has a raid 0 configured under > windows, i can't > see anyway where he will be able to write to that logical > volume at install. > Would it make a difference if I installed FC first, and then Win XP 64? If I can't dual-boot this system, it certainly has enough clock-cycles to run a copy of FC in a VMWare window on top of the XP 64. I could also toss in another SATA disk outside of RAID 0, and load FC on that. So...there is are a couple of solutions--albiet not the one I was really after. Dave McGuffey Principal Information Assurance Engineer / TSAT SETA SAIC IISBU, Columbia, MD From lamont at gurulabs.com Wed Mar 1 20:43:59 2006 From: lamont at gurulabs.com (Lamont R. Peterson) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:43:59 -0700 Subject: FC on ASUS SLI Deluxe for AMD64 X2 In-Reply-To: <5B8C5F3796BB11489C2AB2A5EA76380B667581@1297-b043-exs01.iisbu.saic.com> References: <5B8C5F3796BB11489C2AB2A5EA76380B667581@1297-b043-exs01.iisbu.saic.com> Message-ID: <200603011344.04235.lamont@gurulabs.com> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 12:39pm, Mcguffey, David C wrote: > > You are completely right about the dm-raid stuff, the _only_ quite > > important issue, is that anaconda does not pick up the dmraid > > stuff yet > > ( in stable RHEL / FC, test releases, as you stated, are > > working towards > > this), therefore, if he has a raid 0 configured under > > windows, i can't > > see anyway where he will be able to write to that logical > > volume at install. > > Would it make a difference if I installed FC first, and then Win XP 64? > > If I can't dual-boot this system, it certainly has enough clock-cycles to > run a copy of FC in a VMWare window on top of the XP 64. I could also toss > in another SATA disk outside of RAID 0, and load FC on that. So...there is > are a couple of solutions--albiet not the one I was really after. Even if you have the FRAID setup, just create a FRAID1 set for Windows using only part of your two drives. When you install Linux, DO NOT mount the Windows "partitions" read-write, go read-only if you want to. Then, either just use the remaining space on one disk for Linux, or use Linux software RAID 1. Wait for FC5 dmraid support to settle. When you're ready, convert to using the FRAID1 for Linux, too. Personally, I never mount my Windows partitions under Linux (except when recovering "lost" data) and I don't create "sharing" VFAT partitions. Instead, I just use the file server to share stuff between Windows and Linux boxes. It's much more reliable and the data survives the inevitable Windows workstation rebuild. -- Lamont R. Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs, L.C. 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No. > If I can't dual-boot this system, it certainly has enough clock-cycles to > run a copy of FC in a VMWare window on top of the XP 64. I could also toss > in another SATA disk outside of RAID 0, and load FC on that. So...there is > are a couple of solutions--albiet not the one I was really after. If you want to run a dual boot with Windows on a 250 GB partition and Fedora on the rest using two 250 GB disks, then what is the point of having them in a RAID 0 (which is not R of RAID...) in the first place? I suggest you just turn off the RAID stuff in the BIOS and use them as separate disks. Should save you some trouble. Jonathan From tamal.nath at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:28:14 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:58:14 +0530 Subject: Are all the binaries 64 bit ? Message-ID: <001201c64866$9d6b5940$0201a8c0@homepc> I am using Fedora core 4, 32 bit edition on my AMD Athlon 64 bit processor. I am planning for the 64 bit edition. I have downloaded Mandriva Linux 64 bit edition. But some programs of it actually 32 bit. (tested for gcc which gives sizeof(int) = 4). Now a question is arising in my mind, that is, are all the binaries of Fedora core 64 bit edition is actually 64 bit ? How we can test that the binary is in 32 bit or 64 bit format ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arjan at fenrus.demon.nl Wed Mar 15 19:59:45 2006 From: arjan at fenrus.demon.nl (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:59:45 +0100 Subject: Are all the binaries 64 bit ? In-Reply-To: <001201c64866$9d6b5940$0201a8c0@homepc> References: <001201c64866$9d6b5940$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <1142452786.3021.45.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:58 +0530, Tamal wrote: > I am using Fedora core 4, 32 bit edition on my AMD Athlon 64 bit > processor. I am planning for the 64 bit edition. I have downloaded > Mandriva Linux 64 bit edition. But some programs of it actually 32 > bit. (tested for gcc which gives sizeof(int) = 4). wrong test, you need to test sizeof(long) :) int's are 4 bytes even on 64 bit platforms > Now a question is arising in my mind, that is, are all the binaries of > Fedora core 64 bit edition is actually 64 bit ? How we can test that > the binary is in 32 bit or 64 bit format ? almost all; open office isn't (yet) 64 bit. as for your last question, run the "file" command on the binary, it'll tell you exactly this > From dmccormick at wvmcc.com Thu Mar 16 12:22:35 2006 From: dmccormick at wvmcc.com (David McCormick) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:22:35 -0500 Subject: gFTP Message-ID: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> I am trying to use gFTP to upload web pages to my website and whenever I atempt a transfer the program crashes. Does anyone have it working on a 64bit machine? Is there another program that will work for Linux 64bit machines? Dave From josapa at ono.com Thu Mar 16 20:50:15 2006 From: josapa at ono.com (Pepe Aparicio) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:50:15 +0100 Subject: gFTP In-Reply-To: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> References: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <200603162150.15541.josapa@ono.com> El Jueves, 16 de Marzo de 2006 13:22, David McCormick escribi?: > I am trying to use gFTP to upload web pages to my website and whenever I > atempt a transfer the program crashes. Does anyone have it working on a > 64bit machine? > Is there another program that will work for Linux 64bit machines? > > Dave Have used it often under Mandriva or SuSE in an AMD64. Try to reinstall the program. Sometimes, following a systema update, a certain app stops functioning. Hope this helps. From josapa at ono.com Thu Mar 16 20:45:48 2006 From: josapa at ono.com (Pepe Aparicio) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:45:48 +0100 Subject: gFTP In-Reply-To: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> References: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <200603162145.48390.> El Jueves, 16 de Marzo de 2006 13:22, David McCormick escribi?: > I am trying to use gFTP to upload web pages to my website and whenever I > atempt a transfer the program crashes. Does anyone have it working on a > 64bit machine? > Is there another program that will work for Linux 64bit machines? > > Dave I use gFTP in an AMD64 under Mandriva or SuSe without problems. Have you tried to reinstall gFTP. Sometimes occurs that a given app stops running after updating the system - well, not so often when you use Linux :-) From josapa at ono.com Thu Mar 16 20:48:56 2006 From: josapa at ono.com (Pepe Aparicio) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:48:56 +0100 Subject: gFTP In-Reply-To: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> References: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <200603162148.56636.> El Jueves, 16 de Marzo de 2006 13:22, David McCormick escribi?: > I am trying to use gFTP to upload web pages to my website and whenever I > atempt a transfer the program crashes. Does anyone have it working on a > 64bit machine? > Is there another program that will work for Linux 64bit machines? > > Dave Have used it often under Mandriva or SuSE in an AMD64. Try to reinstall the program. Sometimes, following a system update, a certain app stops functioning. Hope this helps. From josapa at ono.com Thu Mar 16 20:49:41 2006 From: josapa at ono.com (Pepe Aparicio) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:49:41 +0100 Subject: gFTP In-Reply-To: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> References: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <200603162149.41238.> El Jueves, 16 de Marzo de 2006 13:22, David McCormick escribi?: > I am trying to use gFTP to upload web pages to my website and whenever I > atempt a transfer the program crashes. Does anyone have it working on a > 64bit machine? > Is there another program that will work for Linux 64bit machines? > > Dave Have used it often under Mandriva or SuSE in an AMD64. Try to reinstall the program. Sometimes, following a systema update, a certain app stops functioning. Hope this helps. From josapa at ono.com Thu Mar 16 20:52:30 2006 From: josapa at ono.com (Pepe Aparicio) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:52:30 +0100 Subject: Sorry about multiple posts Message-ID: <200603162152.30418.josapa@ono.com> Sorry about multiple posts. Maybe the virus in my upper respiratory tract is afecting the whole system :-(. From dmccormick at wvmcc.com Sat Mar 18 02:22:52 2006 From: dmccormick at wvmcc.com (David McCormick) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:22:52 -0500 Subject: gFTP In-Reply-To: <200603162145.48390.> References: <4419588B.2010701@wvmcc.com> <200603162145.48390.> Message-ID: <441B6EFC.1080401@wvmcc.com> That did it its working fine now. The problem was that I hadn't removed all the files. As soon as I did that and reinstalled gFTP it work fine. Thanks Dave From stan.smith at sympatico.ca Mon Mar 20 22:34:46 2006 From: stan.smith at sympatico.ca (Stan Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:34:46 -0500 Subject: no valid devices found to load ES4 RAID nVIDIA 939NF4G-SATA2 Message-ID: <001101c64c6e$7e59b680$2aece2d1@SDCDEVELOPMENT> I want to set up a mySQL server using ES Version 4 64-bit AMD64 operating system. My hardware consists of the following: ASROCK 939NF4G-SATA2 motherboard AMD 64 3200+ CPU 1 GIG PC3200 RAM 2 WD800 SATA2 80 GIG Hard Drives I want to use RAID 0 so I set up the BIOS to mirror the two SATA drives. However when I load the ES4 64BITsystem it asks me if I would like to load device drivers for the hard drives. On selecting ADD DEVICE I am presented with the standard device drivers that come with ES4. I selected nVidia nForce SATA controllers (sata_nv) and the system loads the driver. Another driver that looked promising was the nForce Ethernet Driver (forcedeth). Everything appears normal for the next several screens until we get to the create partition. Then the following error message appears: An error has occurred - no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems. Please check your hardware for the cause of this problem. I decided to load Windows XP to see if the hardware actually worked. The disk supplied with the motherboard allowed me to crerate a driver diskette for the SATA drives. Windows XP HOME loaded without any problems, the RAID 0 worked, and the ethernet card also worked. (first time!!!!) My question is there a linux ES4 driver available for the hard drives and eternet card. I have checked a lot sites with no luck. Thank you Stan Smith (S.D.C.) Software Design Consultants Inc. stan.smith at sympatico.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Mar 20 23:01:26 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:01:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: no valid devices found to load ES4 RAID nVIDIA 939NF4G-SATA2 -- Fake RAID (FRAID) In-Reply-To: <001101c64c6e$7e59b680$2aece2d1@SDCDEVELOPMENT> Message-ID: <20060320230127.77614.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stan Smith wrote: > I want to use RAID 0 so I set up the BIOS to mirror the two SATA > drives. > ... > An error has occurred - no valid devices were found on which to > create new file systems. Please check your hardware for the cause > of this problem. _All_ -- 100% -- of mainboard ATA is _Fake_ RAID (FRAID). It is "dumb" ATA hardware with a 16-bit RAID BIOS and then a 32/64-bit OS driver to reorganize the separate disks into a single volume. Understand that _software_ driver handles the actual RAID operations -- duplicate streams (mirroring), interleaved streams (stripe), XOR stream (parity), etc... And because that _software_ driver contains 3rd party licensed RAID logic, it will _never_ be GPL. > I decided to load Windows XP to see if the hardware actually > worked. The disk supplied with the motherboard allowed me to > crerate a driver diskette for the SATA drives. Windows XP HOME > loaded without any problems, the RAID 0 worked, Of course, because you are giving the FRAID driver to "trick" Windows XP Home's SCSI block subsystem into organizing the separate disks into 1 volume. > and the ethernet card also worked. (first time!!!!) > My question is there a linux ES4 driver available for the hard > drives and eternet card. I have checked a lot sites with no luck. There were previous efforts in kernel 2.4 to build a base, vendor-independent software RAID driver (ataraid.c), and then card-specific interfaces (e.g., hptraid for High Point Technologies, pdcraid for Promise FastTrak, silraid for Silicon Image, etc...). But they were largely unreliable. The new approach is in Device Mapper 2 (DM2) for Logical Volume Management 2 (LVM2) which maps many FRAID (and even some true hardware RAID -- e.g., 3Ware) volume organization so Linux's standard software RAID logic can be used. But most of these features of DM2 are still considered "experimental." If you want RAID under Linux, consider: - MultiDisk (MD) and raidtools -- great for RAID-0 and RAID-1! - Newer DM2 RAID additions to LVM2 (opinions vary on maturity) - 3Ware Escalade 7000/8000 (PCI64) products for RAID-10. - Areca ARC-11x0 (PCI-X) and ARC-12x0 (PCIe) for RAID-6. - NetCell SR3000/5000 (PCI32/64) products for RAID-3 (RAID-XL) -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Mar 20 23:06:47 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:06:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: no valid devices found to load ES4 RAID nVIDIA 939NF4G-SATA2 -- Fake RAID (FRAID) Message-ID: <20060320230647.5835.qmail@web34111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > If you want RAID under Linux, consider: > - MultiDisk (MD) and raidtools -- great for RAID-0 and RAID-1! > - Newer DM2 RAID additions to LVM2 (opinions vary on maturity) I guess I should have clarified this. _Before_ you use these Linux software RAID approaches, you need to _disable_ the FRAID functionality of the nVidia chipset mainboard in the BIOS/CMOS setup. That's why Linux is not seeing the hard drives. Once you disable the FRAID organization, you'll see the two (2) hard drives, independently. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From jss at ast.cam.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 18:05:35 2006 From: jss at ast.cam.ac.uk (Jeremy Sanders) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards Message-ID: Hi - We're looking for a reliable Athlon 64 motherboard. Hopefully this will support 4600+ (dual core) processors, SATA, and hopefully gigabit networking. Reliability is the key. Is there such a thing? We've tried using an MSI K8NGM2-FID, based on the nforce chipset. This works fine and the gigabit forcedeth appears reliable with the latest kernel update. However it oopses every few days for no apparent reason. We've also tried an Asus A8V-E SE (VIA chipset), but this appears terrible. The sky2 driver works (with the latest kernel update for 4.2, or the latest RHEL jwl test kernels), but then hangs after an hour or two of transferring data. We then tried a tg3 network card and an e1000, and this corrupts the data transferred between it and another computer. Maybe it is the SATA corrupting the data, but who knows. No obvious errors in the logs except for lost ticks. Tried non-SMP, 32 bit, noapic, acpi=off. No luck. Does anyone have a recommendation for a reliable board? Otherwise we have to buy Intel and get the speed loss... Many thanks Jeremy -- Jeremy Sanders http://www-xray.ast.cam.ac.uk/~jss/ X-Ray Group, Institute of Astronomy, University of Cambridge, UK. Public Key Server PGP Key ID: E1AAE053 From gene at czarc.net Tue Mar 21 19:08:11 2006 From: gene at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:08:11 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603211408.11943.gene@czarc.net> On Tuesday 21 March 2006 13:05, Jeremy Sanders wrote: > Today 13:05:35 > ? > Hi - We're looking for a reliable Athlon 64 motherboard. Hopefully this > will support 4600+ (dual core) processors, SATA, and hopefully gigabit > networking. Reliability is the key. Is there such a thing? > > We've tried using an MSI K8NGM2-FID, based on the nforce chipset. This > works fine and the gigabit forcedeth appears reliable with the latest > kernel update. However it oopses every few days for no apparent reason. > > We've also tried an Asus A8V-E SE (VIA chipset), but this appears > terrible. The sky2 driver works (with the latest kernel update for 4.2, or > the latest RHEL jwl test kernels), but then hangs after an hour or two of > transferring data. We then tried a tg3 network card and an e1000, and this > corrupts the data transferred between it and another computer. Maybe it is > the SATA corrupting the data, but who knows. No obvious errors in the logs > except for lost ticks. Tried non-SMP, 32 bit, noapic, acpi=off. No luck. > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a reliable board? Otherwise we have > to buy Intel and get the speed loss... I am using am ABIT AN8 SLI motherboard with an X2 4400+. I have run both i386 and x86_64 FC4 on it. I have had a problem with the gigabit intereface but otherwise it works fine. I also have an ASUS AN8-E motherboard with an X2 4400+. All parts (including the gigabit interface) work fine with i386 and x86_64 FC4. I just installed (with only a minor problem) both i386 and x86_64 FC5. The minor problem is that I needed to boot the installer with "nodmraid" for the ide disks to be recognized correctly. Once installed, FC5 works as expected. -- Gene From loony at loonybin.org Wed Mar 22 00:33:31 2006 From: loony at loonybin.org (Peter Arremann) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:33:31 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603211933.31587.loony@loonybin.org> On Tuesday 21 March 2006 13:05, Jeremy Sanders wrote: > We've tried using an MSI K8NGM2-FID, based on the nforce chipset. This > works fine and the gigabit forcedeth appears reliable with the latest > kernel update. However it oopses every few days for no apparent reason. Same board here with an FX57 - no issues at all... Also got a K8N Neo4-F with a 3000+ and a K8NGM2-FID with a X2 4400. None of those have any issues... The Tyan K8WE is also stable - as such I'd say the nforce boards are pretty stable in gerneral. Are you sure that your CPU and memory are good? Are you overclocking? Peter. From tamal.nath at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 02:59:28 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:29:28 +0530 Subject: Mouse pointer problem Message-ID: <001c01c64d5c$a5499230$0201a8c0@homepc> Hi, I am using Fedora core 5 x86-64. The problem I am facing is I cannot see my mouse pointer. Although my mouse works fine, it seems like it is a invisible pointer. I can see my pointer in rhgb (RedHat Graphical Boot) and in text mode (gpm). This problem is for both root and normal user. Is it a configuration problem ? If yes, then how can I configure my mouse ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try booting without RHGB (press return at the grub prompt, then use e to edit the entry, e again on the line with the kernel line. Remove the end of the line where it eays rhgb. Then use b to boot) If that disables the problem you got a work around for now (or you can update your /etc/grub.conf for it to be permanent)... File a bug in bugzilla. Peter. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Mar 22 03:57:23 2006 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:57:23 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> My Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 board (currently running the 1.5 BIOS revision) is great. It enabled me to upgrade to an Athlon X2 4400+ and recycle my some older hardware: 2 Gb of Adata PC3200 memory and a now-ancient ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro AGP video card. I could add a PCI Express video board to this motherboard, and presumably, it will also easily convert to a new processor type. At the last check, this motherboard doesn't support my Plextor PX-716SA dual layer DVD writer. I think Plextor (and Outpost.com, the reseller) were at the very least a bit dishonest by not saying clearly at the top of the product description, "This optical device only works on certain motherboards. The list of compatible boards is here ----." In fairness, Outpost.com did agree to RMA the device for me. I missed the deadline for returning the drive, so it is still here with me. I'm using my old Sony DVD writer -- which is slower than an arthritic sloth, but it works. I still feel that Plextor shafted me and probably quite a few other users too. This was a good lesson -- always check optical drives for compatibility issues, don't assume that an optical drive will "just work" as long as you have the right physical interface (IDE, SATA). Always keep the original packaging, too, until you are absolutely sure the new hardware really works. Other than this one gripe I'm happy with the board. Replacing this board with one compatible with the Plextor drive doesn't make much sense. It's a lot of work just for an optical drive and who knows if I'll bend a processor pin while transferring the proc. Besides I'm becoming really interested in embedded devices and just started studying "TCP/IP Lean Second Edition" by Jeremy Betham. Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA Jeremy Sanders wrote: > Hi - We're looking for a reliable Athlon 64 motherboard. Hopefully > this will support 4600+ (dual core) processors, SATA, and hopefully > gigabit networking. Reliability is the key. Is there such a thing? > > We've tried using an MSI K8NGM2-FID, based on the nforce chipset. This > works fine and the gigabit forcedeth appears reliable with the latest > kernel update. However it oopses every few days for no apparent reason. > > We've also tried an Asus A8V-E SE (VIA chipset), but this appears > terrible. The sky2 driver works (with the latest kernel update for > 4.2, or the latest RHEL jwl test kernels), but then hangs after an > hour or two of transferring data. We then tried a tg3 network card and > an e1000, and this corrupts the data transferred between it and > another computer. Maybe it is the SATA corrupting the data, but who > knows. No obvious errors in the logs except for lost ticks. Tried > non-SMP, 32 bit, noapic, acpi=off. No luck. > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a reliable board? Otherwise we > have to buy Intel and get the speed loss... > > Many thanks > > Jeremy > From loony at loonybin.org Wed Mar 22 04:16:30 2006 From: loony at loonybin.org (Peter Arremann) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:16:30 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> References: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200603212316.30401.loony@loonybin.org> On Tuesday 21 March 2006 22:57, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Replacing this board with one compatible with the Plextor drive doesn't > make much sense. It's a lot of work just for an optical drive and who > knows if I'll bend a processor pin while transferring the proc. Oh yeah - I forgot the 939Dual... Got 2 of those, also without any problems... One FX55 one 3700 now... They are rock solid. As for the SATA optical drive - nothing other than current Intel southern bridges work (well) with sata optical drives. Most companies that currently offer SATA optical drives produce them only to be resold to big OEMs and not for retail. Anything non-Intel will give you issues. > Besides > I'm becoming really interested in embedded devices and just started > studying "TCP/IP Lean Second Edition" by Jeremy Betham. Ick ... horrible book in my opinion... If you want every last detail, go with Stevens' works - if you want a nice to read book, I've heard good things about "The TCP/IP Guide: A Comprehensive, Illustrated Internet Protocols Reference" by Charles Kozierok... It also has top ratings on amazon and b&n... Peter. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:21:15 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards -- ATAPI drives with SATA converters In-Reply-To: <200603212316.30401.loony@loonybin.org> References: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> <200603212316.30401.loony@loonybin.org> Message-ID: <1143033675.5856.1.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 23:16 -0500, Peter Arremann wrote: > As for the SATA optical drive - nothing other than current Intel southern > bridges work (well) with sata optical drives. Most companies that currently > offer SATA optical drives produce them only to be resold to big OEMs and not > for retail. Anything non-Intel will give you issues. Has to do with the fact that most SATA controllers have not supported the full ATAPI spec yet. Even Intel doesn't seem to either, but the ATA-to-SATA converter on these ATAPI devices seem to know how to handle Intel ICH5-7 SATA controllers. Since these drives are just UltraDMA mode 2 (33MBps) with a SATA converter inside, they buy you virtually nothing. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:23:38 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:23:38 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards -- turn off Cool'n Quiet In-Reply-To: <200603211933.31587.loony@loonybin.org> References: <200603211933.31587.loony@loonybin.org> Message-ID: <1143033818.5856.5.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 19:33 -0500, Peter Arremann wrote: > Also got a K8N Neo4-F with a 3000+ and a K8NGM2-FID with a X2 4400. I've been deploying all sorts of nForce4 series since last year, including the C51/NV44 GeForce 61x0/nForce 4x0. > None of those have any issues... The Tyan K8WE is also stable - as such I'd > say the nforce boards are pretty stable in gerneral. Well I'm sure the nForce Professional series is tested to higher tolerances than just the normal nForce series. ONE THING TO CONSIDER: Turn _off_ AMD Cool'n Quiet in the BIOS! Wait for newer kernel hacks to support it better, as well as updated BIOSes to tame it better. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:25:14 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:25:14 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143033914.5856.8.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 18:05 +0000, Jeremy Sanders wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation for a reliable board? Otherwise we have to > buy Intel and get the speed loss... If you buy Intel, go with a professional E7200/7500 chipset. I've been throwing i8xx and i9xx solutions out-the-window. Otherwise, I've had _0_ issues with the nForce series. I avoid ViA because their ATA always gives Hedrick the fits. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:28:05 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:28:05 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards In-Reply-To: <200603211408.11943.gene@czarc.net> References: <200603211408.11943.gene@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1143034085.5856.12.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 14:08 -0500, Gene C. wrote: > I am using am ABIT AN8 SLI motherboard with an X2 4400+. I have run both i386 > and x86_64 FC4 on it. I have had a problem with the gigabit intereface but > otherwise it works fine. Yeah, there are far too many MAC+PHY combinations out there that are fully supported. If it's an nForce, I find loading nVidia's "nvnet" solves it in every case. Then after a few more kernel updates, the MAC +PHY combo is better supported by GPL drivers. > The minor problem is that I needed to boot the installer with "nodmraid" for > the ide disks to be recognized correctly. Once installed, FC5 works > as expected. Go in the BIOS and _change_ the ATA configuration to "Non-RAID." This plagues _all_ BIOSes these days -- AMD, Intel, nVidia, ViA, etc... Too many boards ship with "FRAID logic turned on." I found Intel ICH's 5-way setting to be the most confusing of all. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:35:58 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:35:58 -0500 Subject: Reliable Athlon 64 motherboards -- LG GSA-4167B (sub-$40) In-Reply-To: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> References: <4420CB23.3020107@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1143034559.5856.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 22:57 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > At the last check, this motherboard doesn't support my Plextor PX-716SA > dual layer DVD writer. I think Plextor (and Outpost.com, the reseller) > were at the very least a bit dishonest by not saying clearly at the top > of the product description, "This optical device only works on certain > motherboards. The list of compatible boards is here ----." In fairness, > Outpost.com did agree to RMA the device for me. I missed the deadline > for returning the drive, so it is still here with me. I'm using my old > Sony DVD writer -- which is slower than an arthritic sloth, but it works. The sub-$40 LG GSA-4167B is the _ultimate_ in features and compatibility. AnandTech found its predecessor (2Gen back), the GSA-4163B, to be the fastest in 16x DVD-R and 16x DVD+R -- sans one DVD +R brand disc incompatibility that he liked. They do 5x DVD-RAM, 16x DVD-R/+R, 8x DVD+R-DL/DVD+RW and 6x DVD-RW. They also do 48x CD-R and 32x CD-RW. The DVD-RAM works with the kernel driver. The DVD-R works flawlessly with cdrecord+DVDpatch (GPL, in FC/RHEL). The DVD+R/+RW and DVD-R/-RW also works with dvd+rwtools. If you buy from NewEgg.COM, they even include Nero 6.6 OEM, which can be upgraded for _free_ to Nero 6.6 Ultra Edition with updates from Nero.COM (in case you're using it under Windows). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Mar 22 13:40:06 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:40:06 -0500 Subject: Anti-SPAM for petsupermarket@uol.com.br has gotta go! Message-ID: <1143034806.5856.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Every message has to be confirmed. It doesn't remember if you've sent from this list within the last few weeks, it prompts you for every message. Is anyone else experiencing this? -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From eugen at leitl.org Wed Mar 22 13:53:01 2006 From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:53:01 +0100 Subject: Anti-SPAM for petsupermarket@uol.com.br has gotta go! In-Reply-To: <1143034806.5856.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1143034806.5856.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <20060322135301.GM25017@leitl.org> On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:40:06AM -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Every message has to be confirmed. It doesn't remember if you've sent > from this list within the last few weeks, it prompts you for every > message. Yes, UOL .br really do need some loving LART treatment. > Is anyone else experiencing this? Just blacklist uol.com.br as I did. What is your current suggestion for a dual GBit NIC socket 939 board which takes unbuffered DDR400 (whether ECC or vanilla)? Doesn't have to be server-grade but reasonably stable, doesn't have to fit into 1U. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From remberson at edgedynamics.com Wed Mar 22 13:56:35 2006 From: remberson at edgedynamics.com (Richard Emberson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:56:35 -0800 Subject: Reliable 2 cpu 275 HE motherboards Message-ID: <44215793.2030402@edgedynamics.com> I've been procrastinating for about 2 years but now I'm ready to upgrade. I'd like at least a 2 cpu 275 HE system running Linux only. 8xx's don't make sense (from what I can see) unless one wants 4 cpus so the 275 look the best. Reading about all the cooling issues I figure an HE component ought to be a better Summertime solution. Suggestions. RME -- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. From eugen at leitl.org Wed Mar 22 14:26:56 2006 From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:26:56 +0100 Subject: Reliable 2 cpu 275 HE motherboards In-Reply-To: <44215793.2030402@edgedynamics.com> References: <44215793.2030402@edgedynamics.com> Message-ID: <20060322142656.GO25017@leitl.org> On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 05:56:35AM -0800, Richard Emberson wrote: > I've been procrastinating for about 2 years but now > I'm ready to upgrade. I'd like at least a 2 cpu > 275 HE system running Linux only. Have you looked at http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x4100/ ? I'm running a X2100 with Debian amd64. > 8xx's don't make sense (from what I can see) unless one > wants 4 cpus so the 275 look the best. > Reading about all the cooling issues I figure an HE > component ought to be a better Summertime solution. > Suggestions. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From marcelo.sales at sefaz.pe.gov.br Wed Mar 22 13:47:48 2006 From: marcelo.sales at sefaz.pe.gov.br (Marcelo Magno T Sales) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:47:48 -0300 Subject: Anti-SPAM for petsupermarket@uol.com.br has gotta go! In-Reply-To: <1143034806.5856.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1143034806.5856.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <200603221047.49075.marcelo.sales@sefaz.pe.gov.br> Hi, Em Quarta 22 Mar?o 2006 10:40, Bryan J. Smith escreveu: > Every message has to be confirmed. It doesn't remember if you've > sent from this list within the last few weeks, it prompts you for > every message. > > Is anyone else experiencing this? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UOL []'s Marcelo From tamal.nath at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 15:08:56 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:38:56 +0530 Subject: Mouse pointer problem References: <001c01c64d5c$a5499230$0201a8c0@homepc> <200603212249.31239.loony@loonybin.org> Message-ID: <007601c64dc2$8c6ee5b0$0201a8c0@homepc> Last night I have noticed a phenomena: When I open the mouse configuration program on gnome, a dialog box containing an error message appears and instantly disappears. Just after this mouse configuration program opens normally. The error message lasts for very small time (less than 0.5 seconds), so I cannot read the error message. I reinstalled FC5, but the result is same. I think, the problem comes from Gnome's login program. The reason behind this assumption is: when I enter xinit from runlavel 3, I can see the mouse pointer. Thanks Peter Arremann for your suggession. I will try that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Arremann" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Mouse pointer problem > On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21:59, Tamal wrote: >> Hi, I am using Fedora core 5 x86-64. The problem I am facing is I cannot >> see my mouse pointer. Although my mouse works fine, it seems like it is a >> invisible pointer. I can see my pointer in rhgb (RedHat Graphical Boot) >> and >> in text mode (gpm). This problem is for both root and normal user. Is it >> a >> configuration problem ? If yes, then how can I configure my mouse ? -- > > RHGB is supposed to use the same xorg.conf as your x server... > It sounds like the mouse pointer disappears when the X server exists which > happens with quite a few cards combinations still. Try booting without > RHGB > (press return at the grub prompt, then use e to edit the entry, e again on > the line with the kernel line. Remove the end of the line where it eays > rhgb. > Then use b to boot) If that disables the problem you got a work around for > now (or you can update your /etc/grub.conf for it to be permanent)... File > a > bug in bugzilla. > > Peter. > > -- > amd64-list mailing list > amd64-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/amd64-list From tamal.nath at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 18:01:48 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:31:48 +0530 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 Message-ID: <001501c64ea3$ddb12e10$0201a8c0@homepc> Here is a interesting stat: Inatallation time for Fedora 5 (x86-64): almost 2 hour Installation time for Suse 10.0 (x86): just 1 hour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (1800 MHz), MSI K8NGM2 -IL, UMAX 512 MB @ 400 MHz (128MB shared by video memory), Samsung Puma 40 GB @ 7200 RPM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More importantly, do you have arch-to-arch comparasions? -- Joshua Jensen joshua at iwsp.com Please consider contributing to my Marathon Run to fight Leukemia: http://www.active.com/donate/tntenc/RaceoftheJoshes From dmccormick at wvmcc.com Sat Mar 25 12:29:23 2006 From: dmccormick at wvmcc.com (David McCormick) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:29:23 -0500 Subject: DVD download Message-ID: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> I have tried to download the DVD iso images several times and every time I do it the progress bar on Firefox goes to the point that it is completely downloaded and then starts in reverse showing a negative speed and the total mg's of content starts getting smaller. What can be causing this? David From kamanism at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 25 12:50:59 2006 From: kamanism at ntlworld.com (Marshall Kiam-Laine) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:50:59 -0000 Subject: DVD download References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <003901c6500a$c3f00560$6501a8c0@Averatec3250> ***too much cocaine before you click, try a smaller dose. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McCormick" To: "AMD64" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: DVD download :I have tried to download the DVD iso images several times and every time : I do it the progress bar on Firefox goes to the point that it is : completely downloaded and then starts in reverse showing a negative : speed and the total mg's of content starts getting smaller. What can be : causing this? : : David : : -- : amd64-list mailing list : amd64-list at redhat.com : https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/amd64-list : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006 : : -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006 From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Mar 25 13:17:05 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:17:05 -0500 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 In-Reply-To: <20060324140923.GA6931@iwsp.com> References: <001501c64ea3$ddb12e10$0201a8c0@homepc> <20060324140923.GA6931@iwsp.com> Message-ID: <1143292626.4656.2.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:09 -0500, Joshua Jensen wrote: > You are comparing red oranges to orange apples here. What the resulting > size of the the two installs. More importantly, do you have > arch-to-arch comparasions? When does installation time have _anything_ to do with how the OS works? -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Mar 25 14:02:58 2006 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:02:58 -0500 Subject: DVD download In-Reply-To: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <44254D92.9050901@speakeasy.net> If you are talking about the FC5 downloads....why not use rsync or wget? You need to do this on software capable of downloading files greater than 2 Gb in size. On my Fedora Core 4 x86_64 system, I've successfully pulled down DVDs using both rsync and wget. I never use http downloads for large files. If I were on a Microsoft Windows XP system, I'd use the built-in ftp client. I've never tried doing that with the DVD but it should be no trouble. I've noticed that Bittorrent has changed lately and the download speeds are awful. All I can say to the Bittorrent faithful who would claim my networking skills suck is that if I use rsync, I can download a DVD in about 8 hours. If I use Bittorrent, that same DVD takes 36 hours. Bob Cochran David McCormick wrote: > I have tried to download the DVD iso images several times and every > time I do it the progress bar on Firefox goes to the point that it is > completely downloaded and then starts in reverse showing a negative > speed and the total mg's of content starts getting smaller. What can > be causing this? > > David > From tamal.nath at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 15:08:41 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:38:41 +0530 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 References: <001501c64ea3$ddb12e10$0201a8c0@homepc> <20060324140923.GA6931@iwsp.com> Message-ID: <002d01c6501e$0377c660$0201a8c0@homepc> Both was tested on the same computer with different partitions. Both consumes about 6.5 to 7 GB. But in terms of packages offered in two distributions, SuSE 10.0 is far better than Fedora core 5. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Jensen" To: "Tamal" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 > On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:31:48PM +0530, Tamal wrote: >> Here is a interesting stat: >> Inatallation time for Fedora 5 (x86-64): almost 2 hour >> Installation time for Suse 10.0 (x86): just 1 hour > > You are comparing red oranges to orange apples here. What the resulting > size of the the two installs. More importantly, do you have > arch-to-arch comparasions? > > -- > Joshua Jensen > joshua at iwsp.com > Please consider contributing to my Marathon Run to fight Leukemia: > http://www.active.com/donate/tntenc/RaceoftheJoshes From tamal.nath at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 15:16:31 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:46:31 +0530 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 References: <20060324090425.55507.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c6501f$1af06c10$0201a8c0@homepc> I had selected maximum packages I could select in both destributions. 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URL: From tamal.nath at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 15:30:24 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:00:24 +0530 Subject: Pool: FC5 vs. FC4 Message-ID: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> Deer Fedora core users and visitors, if you have used both Fedora Core 4 and Fedora Core 5, please send your pool about which version is better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My pool: FC4 is better than FC5. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Mar 25 15:45:43 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:45:43 -0500 Subject: DVD download In-Reply-To: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> Message-ID: <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 07:29 -0500, David McCormick wrote: > I have tried to download the DVD iso images several times and every time > I do it the progress bar on Firefox goes to the point that it is > completely downloaded and then starts in reverse showing a negative > speed and the total mg's of content starts getting smaller. What can be > causing this? Signed 32-bit integer overflow. After it reaches 2,147,483,647 bytes, it goes to -2,147,483,468 and counts down. Many non 64-bit compliant HTTP clients have this issue. Even Internet Explorer 6. But the question is if it is just showing the wrong number, but still correctly downloading? Check the filesystem and see if the .part file is > 2,147,483,647. If so, then it's probably still downloading the entire file, the display is just using a signed 32-bit integer value overflowing. Either use a newer HTTP client, or use a FTP client. I prefer ncftp for a FTP client. I was able to grab FC5 at 0.5MBps (yes, mega_byte_ per second) from the fairly close USF mirror (yes, USF is good for something -- no way!) here in the UCF area. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From berryja at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 16:20:56 2006 From: berryja at gmail.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:20:56 -0600 Subject: DVD download In-Reply-To: <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <8767947e0603250820p4c106eb3l3d16a72739189f83@mail.gmail.com> On 3/25/06, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 07:29 -0500, David McCormick wrote: > > I have tried to download the DVD iso images several times and every time > > I do it the progress bar on Firefox goes to the point that it is > > completely downloaded and then starts in reverse showing a negative > > speed and the total mg's of content starts getting smaller. What can be > > causing this? > > Signed 32-bit integer overflow. After it reaches 2,147,483,647 bytes, > it goes to -2,147,483,468 and counts down. Many non 64-bit compliant > HTTP clients have this issue. Even Internet Explorer 6. Exactly. Which begs the question, why in the world is a file size being represented with a *signed* number? Last time I checked, most of the time file sizes are 0 or positive :). > But the question is if it is just showing the wrong number, but still > correctly downloading? Check the filesystem and see if the .part file > is > 2,147,483,647. If so, then it's probably still downloading the > entire file, the display is just using a signed 32-bit integer value > overflowing. I think I used Firefox once to download a DVD iso. I saw the strange progress bar behavior, but it still downloaded fine. > Either use a newer HTTP client, or use a FTP client. I prefer ncftp for > a FTP client. I was able to grab FC5 at 0.5MBps (yes, mega_byte_ per That's just wrong ;). > second) from the fairly close USF mirror (yes, USF is good for something > -- no way!) here in the UCF area. There is always Bittorrent as well. If you have a good connection and can find a close local mirror that's not busy, Bittorrent is usually slower. But you don't have to worry about getting a corrupted download. wget is a nice tool for FTP or HTTP download. You can even stop and restart the download if needed. Jonathan From arjan at fenrus.demon.nl Sat Mar 25 16:27:32 2006 From: arjan at fenrus.demon.nl (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:27:32 +0100 Subject: Pool: FC5 vs. FC4 In-Reply-To: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> References: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <1143304052.2898.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 21:00 +0530, Tamal wrote: > Deer Fedora core users and visitors, if you have used both Fedora Core > 4 and Fedora Core 5, please send your pool about which version is > better. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > My pool: FC4 is better than FC5. ... and that is .. why? just count is not so interesting as are the reasons people think one way or the other :) From dmccormick at wvmcc.com Sat Mar 25 17:42:44 2006 From: dmccormick at wvmcc.com (David McCormick) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:42:44 -0500 Subject: DVD download In-Reply-To: <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <44258114.5030508@wvmcc.com> Ok It was my misunderstanding. I took a walk and when I came back it had completed the download. I had completely forgotten about the 32 bit integer overflow showing negative numbers. However it only took 2.5 hours using FIrefox. I have a cable hookup so it runs at about 400 KB/sec. Thanks for the helps. Dave From eugen at leitl.org Sat Mar 25 19:41:37 2006 From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:41:37 +0100 Subject: Pool: FC5 vs. FC4 In-Reply-To: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> References: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <20060325194137.GH25017@leitl.org> On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 09:00:24PM +0530, Tamal wrote: > Deer Fedora core users and visitors, if you have used > both Fedora Core 4 and Fedora Core 5, please send your pool about which version is better. So far: FC5 installer bombs on either Turkish/Ukrainian language selection. Not a real problem -- only wasted some 30-60 min of my time trying to nail it down. Dual-head b0rked, as ever. No surprises there. Non-GNU binary drivers not being able to load -- thaaaanks Greg. You're really making my life easier. So far, it's a wash. But it's *new and shiney*. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Mar 25 23:47:59 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:47:59 -0500 Subject: DVD download In-Reply-To: <8767947e0603250820p4c106eb3l3d16a72739189f83@mail.gmail.com> References: <442537A3.7070500@wvmcc.com> <1143301543.4656.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <8767947e0603250820p4c106eb3l3d16a72739189f83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143330479.4656.39.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 10:20 -0600, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Exactly. Which begs the question, why in the world is a file size > being represented with a *signed* number? Oh, many reasons. 1. A negative value could be used in many ways 2. Easier to test for overflow than unsigned 3. Portability, uniformity, etc... 4. It's not always ideal to mix signed and unsigned integers Your question should probably be, "why aren't they just always using 64- bit integers?" Especially on a codebase that is 2000+ > Last time I checked, most of the time file sizes are 0 or positive :). Again, see #1. > I think I used Firefox once to download a DVD iso. I saw the strange > progress bar behavior, but it still downloaded fine. Yes, as long as it's under 4GiB, it should be. In fact, it could be that they are mixing signed and unsigned numbers. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From ramprasad_i82 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 05:45:07 2006 From: ramprasad_i82 at yahoo.com (Ramprasad B) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:45:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 In-Reply-To: <002d01c6501e$0377c660$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <20060326054507.30703.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tamal wrote: > distributions, SuSE 10.0 is far better than Fedora core 5. In what sense ? Is it the number or quality or types or size or etc of packages ? -- Ramprasad B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ramprasad_i82 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 05:47:21 2006 From: ramprasad_i82 at yahoo.com (Ramprasad B) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:47:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 In-Reply-To: <004401c6501f$1af06c10$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <20060326054721.38355.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tamal wrote: > Fedora core 4 (x86) with minimal installation takes 13 minutes, whereas Mandriva > 2006 x86-64 with standard (default) installation takes 10 min. It depends on the flavor manufacturer to incorporate how many minimal packages should be supported in their flavor of GNU/Linux. Probably FC4 guys have more minimal pakages than Mandriva guys do ! -- Ramprasad B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br Sun Mar 26 19:01:09 2006 From: webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br (Pedro Fernandes Macedo) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:01:09 -0300 Subject: Pool: FC5 vs. FC4 In-Reply-To: <20060325194137.GH25017@leitl.org> References: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> <20060325194137.GH25017@leitl.org> Message-ID: <4426E4F5.80109@margo.bijoux.nom.br> Eugen Leitl wrote: > Non-GNU binary drivers not being able to load -- thaaaanks Greg. > You're really making my life easier. > > I think there's a kernel on davej's page that works with non-GNU drivers. I'm certain it'll be released soon on the update channels. As for my opinion, it's a good release. Only found a few minor issues that arent show stoppers (for example, when doing a DVD install it still shows the installer loading metadata for a new "iso" and the logs read "changing from iso 3 to 4" , for example). The only reason I gave up on installing the x86_64 version is that I got bored of hunting all the plugins, doing weird tricks to get plugins to work, etc. But then I installed FC5 i386. Btw, if you use a new syskonnect/marvel gigabit ethernet card, it may be better to hold on the install.. The new opensource driver is still a bit unstable when you're doing big transfers (we've tested it on 2.6.15, not on FC5 final) and the syskonnect driver doesnt work with kernels newer than 2.6.15. -- Pedro Macedo From joshua at iwsp.com Tue Mar 28 04:53:44 2006 From: joshua at iwsp.com (Joshua Jensen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:53:44 -0500 Subject: Pool: FC5 vs. FC4 In-Reply-To: <20060325194137.GH25017@leitl.org> References: <008101c65021$0bdd6780$0201a8c0@homepc> <20060325194137.GH25017@leitl.org> Message-ID: <20060328045343.GA15233@iwsp.com> Please file a bug for every one of these problems. joshua On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 08:41:37PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 09:00:24PM +0530, Tamal wrote: > > > Deer Fedora core users and visitors, if you have used > > both Fedora Core 4 and Fedora Core 5, please send your pool about which version is better. > > So far: > > FC5 installer bombs on either Turkish/Ukrainian language selection. > Not a real problem -- only wasted some 30-60 min of my time > trying to nail it down. > > Dual-head b0rked, as ever. No surprises there. > > Non-GNU binary drivers not being able to load -- thaaaanks Greg. > You're really making my life easier. > > So far, it's a wash. But it's *new and shiney*. > > -- > Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com > 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE > -- > amd64-list mailing list > amd64-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/amd64-list -- Joshua Jensen joshua at iwsp.com Please consider contributing to my Marathon Run to fight Leukemia: http://www.active.com/donate/tntenc/RaceoftheJoshes From lamont at gurulabs.com Tue Mar 28 08:25:15 2006 From: lamont at gurulabs.com (Lamont R. Peterson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:25:15 -0700 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 In-Reply-To: <004401c6501f$1af06c10$0201a8c0@homepc> References: <20060324090425.55507.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c6501f$1af06c10$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <200603280125.16160.lamont@gurulabs.com> On Saturday 25 March 2006 08:16am, Tamal wrote: > I had selected maximum packages I could select in both destributions. In SUSE, that would be something like 3000+ packages (out of 3400+). For FC, that would be approximately 1600 package (I think). But still, I don't see any relevance or viability to saying, "SUSE must be better because they install lots of junk I don't need in only 1 hour, where FC took me 2 hours to install all that junk and there wasn't as much junk." Um, maybe I just found the relevance? > Another information: > Fedora core 4 (x86) with minimal installation takes 13 minutes, whereas I still don't think that Red Hat (RHEL or FC) minimal installs are very minimal. On FC4, I can strip out 60 packages pretty quickly following a minimal install. Sure a few usually end up coming back due to dependencies, but most don't. All that without even really trying. > Mandriva 2006 x86-64 with standard (default) installation takes 10 min. No comment. -- Lamont R. Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs, L.C. [ http://www.GuruLabs.com/ ] GPG Key fingerprint: F98C E31A 5C4C 834A BCAB 8CB3 F980 6C97 DC0D D409 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tamal.nath at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 17:18:56 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:48:56 +0530 Subject: Suse 10.0 vs. Fedora core 5 Message-ID: <004f01c6528b$b49ae660$0201a8c0@homepc> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:55 PM, Lamont R. Peterson wrote, But still, I don't see any relevance or viability to saying, "SUSE must be better because they install lots of junk I don't need in only 1 hour, where FC took me 2 hours to install all that junk and there wasn't as much junk." Um, maybe I just found the relevance? What do you mean by junk files ? Can you prove your statement with proper example(s) ? If you want to tell that the packages related to 1.. specific hardware that is not available in your system 2.. some languages that you don't know 3.. dependency of other packages that you would never use then those packages are unnecessary packages for you. Now I saw a interesting situation: I installed FC5 without selecting any packages from KDE; but still it installs kdelibs. On the next day I installed FC5 without any packages from Gnome. Now it installs one gnome library. This problem is not only for FC5. Now come to hardware related packages. I de-selects printer packages on FC4 but it installs it. So, Fedora core has many unnecessary packages. For SuSE it is very early to comment on as I am relatively new to SuSE. I still don't think that Red Hat (RHEL or FC) minimal installs are very minimal. I appreciate that. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamal.nath at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 01:59:51 2006 From: tamal.nath at gmail.com (Tamal) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:29:51 +0530 Subject: Ethernet problem Message-ID: <004301c65466$cfa78ee0$0201a8c0@homepc> I have MSI K8NGM2-IL motherboard. It has in-built VITESSE VSC8201 RX/ Realtek 8201CL LAN card. From the manual of the motherboard, I got this. My Device Manager (in Windows) shows the Network adapter's driver is provided by NVidia. The problem is after one or two successful connection, my LAN stops responding to my ADSL. Now the output of ifconfig eth0 shows that LAN works fine with static IP 192.168.1.100 (subnet: 255.255.255.0, getway: 192.168.1.1). But when I try to test my ADSL by ping 192.168.1.1 it shows that there is no such route to connect the destination. Now I am not sure that this is due to driver problem, because it worked after fresh installation. What is the problem ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Mar 31 03:13:24 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:13:24 -0500 Subject: Ethernet problem In-Reply-To: <004301c65466$cfa78ee0$0201a8c0@homepc> References: <004301c65466$cfa78ee0$0201a8c0@homepc> Message-ID: <1143774805.4723.7.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 07:29 +0530, Tamal wrote: > I have MSI K8NGM2-IL motherboard. It has in-built VITESSE VSC8201 RX/ > Realtek 8201CL LAN card. From the manual of the motherboard, I got > this. My Device Manager (in Windows) shows the Network adapter's > driver is provided by NVidia. Depends. There is the MAC (Media Access Control) logic and then the PHY (physical) interface. Sometimes the MAC is two portions -- the chipset logic and then the external controller. It's these newer combinations are what typically causes most issues with drivers until newer kernel revisions. E.g., I have several nForce 4x0 chipsets that had issues with the GPL "forcedeth" driver, but none with the latest nVidia "nvnet" driver. But with a quick kernel update that was about the same age as the nVidia driver release, the "forcedeth" driver started working more reliably. nVidia actively assists on the GPL "forcedeth" driver development, but still maintains the "nvnet" driver so it's easier to install for older kernels. So if you're ever having issues with the GPL "forcedeth" driver, try 1) upgrading your kernel and, then, 2) the nVidia "nvnet" driver. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ******