Questions about installing Gnopernicus.

Fri Oct 15 00:29:19 UTC 2004

Hi Janina,

In the case of the news, if I am required to read the New York Times for
some reason, then substituting it with another source would not be possible.
On the transportation issue, well, uh, flying is usually faster than taking
the train.  In today's fast-paced world, if you must be there today, then
you must fly.  Taking the train would be an inferior method of travel in
that case.

The SMS Client is a Sun Java application.  It is not accessible through the
console or via any other text based means.  The SMS server does include a
command line that is extremely limited in comparison to the GUI.  I just
don't have a choice but to use the GUI.

When you're doing your own thing and are able to set the rules for yourself,
then I agree with your assessment.  Run from the command line when you can.
But, in most employment related situations, the tools to be used are
dictated by others.  Use the tools provided or don't have a job...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at rednote.net>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Questions about installing Gnopernicus.

> Well, Darrell, we may simply disagree on this one.
>
> The problem for me with what you say is that I see a big difference
> between access to the same information that all of society uses and what
> tools anyone might need to use to access that information. For me, it
> does not follow that having access to the same information means using
> the same tool. I see no logical connection there whatsoever.
>
> Consider the news. What you're saying is that all of must read the New
> York Times, by way of analogy. Yet the same news, though perhaps with a
> broadening perspective, may equally be gained with a host of other
> newspapers, or even the NFB News Line, to say nothing of broadcast
> media.
>
> Or, take the analogy of going somewhere. Perhaps you'll fly and perhaps
> I'll take a train. The result is the same. We both arrive at the same
> destination.
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > The reasons for the need to gain access to the GUI tools involve using
> > applications.  Many of the applications used by sighted people are GUI.
In
> > order to be able to interact with the information provided with these
> > applications, we must be able to use them.  For instance, I am hoping
that
> > Gnopernicus + Java will provide a level of accessibility to my
work-related
> > application.  I can guarantee you that this SMS client wouldn't run in a
> > strictly console environment.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at rednote.net>
> > To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Questions about installing Gnopernicus.
> >
> >
> > > Well, I don't know anything about this editor you use, so I have no
> > > notion why you might find it preferable to emacs or vim.
> > >
> > > All I can tell you is that the console environment is very accessible.
> > > Whether the GUI environment becomes accessible with tools like this
> > > editor--that's a crap shoot, imho. Most of us over here on Linux don't
> > > understand why the people doing Gnopernicus and gnome accessibility
> > > think that enabling Gedit and the gnome terminal for screen reader
> > > access is any kind of big deal. But, maybe you'll think it is.
> > >
> > > John Heim writes:
> > > > At 02:46 PM 10/13/2004, Janina Sajka you wrote:
> > > > >Well, you can certainly earn a living running Linux as a blind
user,
> > but
> > > > >not with Gnopernicus. At least, not yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm... Too bad.
> > > >
> > > > I mostly write programs for linux systems. I do some ASP. But I do
> > almost
> > > > all of my editing via a Windows program called Textpad. I suppose
it's
> > > > probably because it's wht I'm used to.
> > > >
> > > > I started out as a unix guy and when they plopped a Windows 95
machine
> > down
> > > > on my desk I was like, "Where the heck is the command line? How the
heck
> > am
> > > > I supposed to add myself as a user? What's the root password?"
This
> > > > business of clicking buttons to do everything seemed ludicrous.
Still
> > does
> > > > kind of.
> > > >
> > > > I used to use emacs all day, every day. But now I'd hate to have to
give
> > up
> > > > my GUI editor. When nopernicus is ready for prime time, I'll look
for an
> > > > editor similar to Textpad before switching.
> > > >
> > > > Sure would like to get rid of Windows/JAWS though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Janina Sajka, Chair
> > > Accessibility Workgroup
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> > >
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