Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?

[David Poehlman]

vmware has nothing to do with a web browser.  If you run fusion on the  
mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista and  
others too I'm told.

On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:

Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with  
safari & voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware  
web app to run in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox with  
orca either. Well, in fact it doesn't run great under IE with jaws for  
that matter. It's just kind of a sucky web app in terms of  
accessibility. But I tried all three and by far the best combo was IE  
& jaws.

It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a  
field when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full of  
things like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to interact  
with a table or to interact with text.

I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to switch  
to the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I asked  
about the voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and specifically about  
voiceover & safari compared to IE and jaws. I was on yet another list  
and had asserted that voiceover users would say that it's as good as  
jaws. So I asked on the voiceover list and was disappointed by the  
answers. First of all, several people agreed that voiceover isn't up  
the the standard set by jaws yet. Others suggested I switch to firefox  
for the Mac. I guess you can't entirely trust self-selected surveys   
but when it's voiceover users themselves saying this, it carries a lot  
of weight. Well, anyway, that's what I meant when I used the term  
"conventional wisdom". It's not as if I've done a scientific survey  
but then "conventional wisdom" isn't a scientific term either.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com 
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Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?


> we are mixing apples with oranges here.  getting vm to run under  
> linux has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
>
> Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural ook   
> and feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing so.  I   
> find it takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most things  
> with  voiceover. I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" means  
> here but  I have been using voiceover for 5 years now and am so glad  
> I don't  have to be forced to turn on forms mode or turn off the  
> virtual mode  just to use the web.
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
>
> My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac   
> mini. But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still   
> significantly ahead of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many   
> keystrokes to get things done vya voiceover. I even asked about  
> this  on the voiceover list last summer and the conventional wisdom  
> is that  voiceover isn't quite up to jaws level yet.
>
> I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under   
> linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get  
> that  done without jaws.
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>
>> Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over   
>> linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than  
>> Max  OS and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and even  
>> they  will admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac mini.
>>
>> Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility   
>> that you need to use some software that is available only for   
>> Windows and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
>>
>> I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware  
>> server2.  But I'll post another message about that.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>
>>> Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac!  In both  
>>> cases  why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>> The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do your  
>>>> reading before asking such things because the ways that are  
>>>> there  are inaccessible.
>>>> And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first   
>>>> place?
>>>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As title. Thank you!
>>>>> Coscell
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