Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
John G. Heim
jheim at math.wisc.edu
Mon Jan 12 01:15:35 UTC 2009
David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell you?
Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:
"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."
As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
> vmware has nothing to do with a web browser. If you run fusion on the
> mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista and others
> too I'm told.
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
> Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with safari &
> voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware web app to run
> in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox with orca either. Well,
> in fact it doesn't run great under IE with jaws for that matter. It's
> just kind of a sucky web app in terms of accessibility. But I tried all
> three and by far the best combo was IE & jaws.
>
> It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a field
> when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full of things
> like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to interact with a table
> or to interact with text.
>
> I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to switch to
> the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I asked about the
> voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and specifically about voiceover &
> safari compared to IE and jaws. I was on yet another list and had
> asserted that voiceover users would say that it's as good as jaws. So I
> asked on the voiceover list and was disappointed by the answers. First of
> all, several people agreed that voiceover isn't up the the standard set
> by jaws yet. Others suggested I switch to firefox for the Mac. I guess
> you can't entirely trust self-selected surveys but when it's voiceover
> users themselves saying this, it carries a lot of weight. Well, anyway,
> that's what I meant when I used the term "conventional wisdom". It's not
> as if I've done a scientific survey but then "conventional wisdom" isn't
> a scientific term either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
> <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
> >
> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
>
>
>> we are mixing apples with oranges here. getting vm to run under linux
>> has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
>>
>> Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural ook and
>> feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing so. I find it
>> takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most things with voiceover.
>> I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" means here but I have been
>> using voiceover for 5 years now and am so glad I don't have to be
>> forced to turn on forms mode or turn off the virtual mode just to use
>> the web.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>
>> My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac mini.
>> But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still significantly ahead
>> of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many keystrokes to get things
>> done vya voiceover. I even asked about this on the voiceover list last
>> summer and the conventional wisdom is that voiceover isn't quite up to
>> jaws level yet.
>>
>> I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under
>> linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get that
>> done without jaws.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over
>>> linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than Max OS
>>> and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and even they will
>>> admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac mini.
>>>
>>> Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility
>>> that you need to use some software that is available only for Windows
>>> and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
>>>
>>> I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware server2.
>>> But I'll post another message about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac! In both cases
>>>> why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do your
>>>>> reading before asking such things because the ways that are there
>>>>> are inaccessible.
>>>>> And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first
>>>>> place?
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As title. Thank you!
>>>>>> Coscell
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