Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?

John G. Heim jheim at math.wisc.edu
Mon Jan 12 01:15:35 UTC 2009 

David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell you?

Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:

"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."

As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual 
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?


> vmware has nothing to do with a web browser.  If you run fusion on the 
> mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista and  others 
> too I'm told.
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
> Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with  safari & 
> voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware  web app to run 
> in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox with  orca either. Well, 
> in fact it doesn't run great under IE with jaws for  that matter. It's 
> just kind of a sucky web app in terms of  accessibility. But I tried all 
> three and by far the best combo was IE  & jaws.
>
> It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a  field 
> when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full of  things 
> like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to interact  with a table 
> or to interact with text.
>
> I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to switch  to 
> the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I asked  about the 
> voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and specifically about  voiceover & 
> safari compared to IE and jaws. I was on yet another list  and had 
> asserted that voiceover users would say that it's as good as  jaws. So I 
> asked on the voiceover list and was disappointed by the  answers. First of 
> all, several people agreed that voiceover isn't up  the the standard set 
> by jaws yet. Others suggested I switch to firefox  for the Mac. I guess 
> you can't entirely trust self-selected surveys   but when it's voiceover 
> users themselves saying this, it carries a lot  of weight. Well, anyway, 
> that's what I meant when I used the term  "conventional wisdom". It's not 
> as if I've done a scientific survey  but then "conventional wisdom" isn't 
> a scientific term either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" 
> <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
> >
> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
>
>
>> we are mixing apples with oranges here.  getting vm to run under  linux 
>> has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
>>
>> Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural ook   and 
>> feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing so.  I   find it 
>> takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most things  with  voiceover. 
>> I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" means  here but  I have been 
>> using voiceover for 5 years now and am so glad  I don't  have to be 
>> forced to turn on forms mode or turn off the  virtual mode  just to use 
>> the web.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>
>> My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac   mini. 
>> But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still   significantly ahead 
>> of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many   keystrokes to get things 
>> done vya voiceover. I even asked about  this  on the voiceover list last 
>> summer and the conventional wisdom  is that  voiceover isn't quite up to 
>> jaws level yet.
>>
>> I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under 
>> linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get  that 
>> done without jaws.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over 
>>> linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than  Max  OS 
>>> and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and even  they  will 
>>> admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac mini.
>>>
>>> Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility 
>>> that you need to use some software that is available only for   Windows 
>>> and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
>>>
>>> I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware  server2. 
>>> But I'll post another message about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac!  In both  cases 
>>>> why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do your 
>>>>> reading before asking such things because the ways that are  there 
>>>>> are inaccessible.
>>>>> And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first 
>>>>> place?
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As title. Thank you!
>>>>>> Coscell
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