Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?

David Poehlman david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
Mon Jan 12 14:11:32 UTC 2009 

oh, you are not using fusion.

On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:15 PM, John G. Heim wrote:

David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell  
you?

Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:

"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."

As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual  
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com 
 >
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?


> vmware has nothing to do with a web browser.  If you run fusion on  
> the mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista  
> and  others too I'm told.
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
> Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with   
> safari & voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware   
> web app to run in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox  
> with  orca either. Well, in fact it doesn't run great under IE with  
> jaws for  that matter. It's just kind of a sucky web app in terms  
> of  accessibility. But I tried all three and by far the best combo  
> was IE  & jaws.
>
> It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a   
> field when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full  
> of  things like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to  
> interact  with a table or to interact with text.
>
> I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to  
> switch  to the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I  
> asked  about the voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and  
> specifically about  voiceover & safari compared to IE and jaws. I  
> was on yet another list  and had asserted that voiceover users would  
> say that it's as good as  jaws. So I asked on the voiceover list and  
> was disappointed by the  answers. First of all, several people  
> agreed that voiceover isn't up  the the standard set by jaws yet.  
> Others suggested I switch to firefox  for the Mac. I guess you can't  
> entirely trust self-selected surveys   but when it's voiceover users  
> themselves saying this, it carries a lot  of weight. Well, anyway,  
> that's what I meant when I used the term  "conventional wisdom".  
> It's not as if I've done a scientific survey  but then "conventional  
> wisdom" isn't a scientific term either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
> >
> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
>
>
>> we are mixing apples with oranges here.  getting vm to run under   
>> linux has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
>>
>> Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural  
>> ook   and feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing  
>> so.  I   find it takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most  
>> things  with  voiceover. I don't know what the "conventional  
>> wisdom" means  here but  I have been using voiceover for 5 years  
>> now and am so glad  I don't  have to be forced to turn on forms  
>> mode or turn off the  virtual mode  just to use the web.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>
>> My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac    
>> mini. But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still    
>> significantly ahead of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many    
>> keystrokes to get things done vya voiceover. I even asked about   
>> this  on the voiceover list last summer and the conventional  
>> wisdom  is that  voiceover isn't quite up to jaws level yet.
>>
>> I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under  
>> linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get   
>> that done without jaws.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over  
>>> linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than   
>>> Max  OS and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and  
>>> even  they  will admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac  
>>> mini.
>>>
>>> Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility  
>>> that you need to use some software that is available only for    
>>> Windows and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
>>>
>>> I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware   
>>> server2. But I'll post another message about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac!  In both   
>>>> cases why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do  
>>>>> your reading before asking such things because the ways that  
>>>>> are  there are inaccessible.
>>>>> And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first  
>>>>> place?
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As title. Thank you!
>>>>>> Coscell
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