Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?

David Poehlman david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
Mon Jan 12 14:20:22 UTC 2009 

yes, I'm on the vo list and would not have said either use firefox or  
that jaws is better than voiceover the first because even though you  
can use fire vox extention, it is not nearly as functional as safari  
with voiceover and takes a bit to get going.  second, jaws and  
voiceover are opposites none is better than the other except that  
voiceover runs on the mac and jaws runs on windows if you get my  
drift.  The problems with jaws have already been out lined.  the  
problems with vo are few but some of them are show stoppers like not  
knowing when something is clickable when it is not written as either a  
button or a link as authors/developpers are bound to do on web pages.   
Another is there is no way to read an entire web page in one go but  
then most web pages are boring anyway so what we really need is a way  
to read an article in one go.  This can be done on some sites in group  
mode.  I noticed that jaws now has two modes for web pages but I  
cannot figure out the advantage of that.

On Jan 12, 2009, at 9:11 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

oh, you are not using fusion.

On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:15 PM, John G. Heim wrote:

David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell  
you?

Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:

"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."

As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual  
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com 
 >
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?


> vmware has nothing to do with a web browser.  If you run fusion on  
> the mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista  
> and  others too I'm told.
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
> Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with   
> safari & voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware   
> web app to run in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox  
> with  orca either. Well, in fact it doesn't run great under IE with  
> jaws for  that matter. It's just kind of a sucky web app in terms  
> of  accessibility. But I tried all three and by far the best combo  
> was IE  & jaws.
>
> It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a   
> field when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full  
> of  things like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to  
> interact  with a table or to interact with text.
>
> I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to  
> switch  to the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I  
> asked  about the voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and  
> specifically about  voiceover & safari compared to IE and jaws. I  
> was on yet another list  and had asserted that voiceover users would  
> say that it's as good as  jaws. So I asked on the voiceover list and  
> was disappointed by the  answers. First of all, several people  
> agreed that voiceover isn't up  the the standard set by jaws yet.  
> Others suggested I switch to firefox  for the Mac. I guess you can't  
> entirely trust self-selected surveys   but when it's voiceover users  
> themselves saying this, it carries a lot  of weight. Well, anyway,  
> that's what I meant when I used the term  "conventional wisdom".  
> It's not as if I've done a scientific survey  but then "conventional  
> wisdom" isn't a scientific term either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman at handsontechnologeyes.com
> >
> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
>
>
>> we are mixing apples with oranges here.  getting vm to run under   
>> linux has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
>>
>> Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural  
>> ook   and feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing  
>> so.  I   find it takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most  
>> things  with  voiceover. I don't know what the "conventional  
>> wisdom" means  here but  I have been using voiceover for 5 years  
>> now and am so glad  I don't  have to be forced to turn on forms  
>> mode or turn off the  virtual mode  just to use the web.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>
>> My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac    
>> mini. But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still    
>> significantly ahead of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many    
>> keystrokes to get things done vya voiceover. I even asked about   
>> this  on the voiceover list last summer and the conventional  
>> wisdom  is that  voiceover isn't quite up to jaws level yet.
>>
>> I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under  
>> linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get   
>> that done without jaws.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over  
>>> linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than   
>>> Max  OS and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and  
>>> even  they  will admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac  
>>> mini.
>>>
>>> Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility  
>>> that you need to use some software that is available only for    
>>> Windows and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
>>>
>>> I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware   
>>> server2. But I'll post another message about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac!  In both   
>>>> cases why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do  
>>>>> your reading before asking such things because the ways that  
>>>>> are  there are inaccessible.
>>>>> And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first  
>>>>> place?
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As title. Thank you!
>>>>>> Coscell
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