Orca or EmacSpeak

Tue Jan 29 22:45:12 UTC 2013

Thank you Christopher,

Yes I would greatly appreciate your instructions. Any help to get me off and running would be greatly appreciated. I am really struggling to learn Linux for the reason I am running it on my Mac book. There is no insert key so I am unable to do the functions which require the use of the orca modifier key. I read there is a way to re map it but I cannot get to the place I do that. Ok I wont lie I cannot find anything on Linux yet. I have figured out how to get the settings open I believe by pressing ALT+F2 I think but that is it. Where would I find Orca settings? Is there a way to open them? I thank you for your help in advanced. I will eagerly wait for your instructions.  
On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Emacspeak isn't installed on Ubuntu by default, so unless you installed
> it yourself, it won't be there. It will run on Ubuntu 12.04 though.
> 
> You could use Emacspeak instead of Orca, if you're proficient with the
> command line, but I myself don't see them as competing technologies, but
> rather complimentary technologies. I have Orca running on my desktop,
> which gives me access to many of the GUI applications running on my
> desktop. I run Emacspeak in a console for most of my file management,
> editing and shell/command line needs.
> 
> Will you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? I could send you some
> instructions, but I'll need some time first. Also, are you using a
> 32-bit or 64-bit version of Ubuntu?
> 
> On 28/01/13 17:06, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>> THank you everyone for providing me with some feedback. I understand what EmacSpeak is but does it work on ubuntu 1204? I am pretty sure I saw EmacSpeak in the system prefs of my ubuntu. I could be wrong though. So to sum it up can I use eMacSpeak instead of Orca? Also how do I bring up the settings of the OS to find out if EmacSpeak is installed already? 
>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Think of it as a self voicing application, so it'll work whether you run
>>> it in the console or on the desktop.
>>> 
>>> On 28/01/13 05:19, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>> Run it and you go into the emacspeak environment and remain in the 
>>>> emacspeak environment until you shut emacspeak down.  I think a version 
>>>> of emacspeak has been built that will run on mac's and use the mac's 
>>>> resources to speak.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> how do you use emacspeak in graphical environment?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:06 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> emacspeak provides its own environment not a text console.  You can run a
>>>>>> text console from emacspeak when necessary and doing so puts all of the
>>>>>> power tools in your hands Linux has to offer so it's an advantage to learn
>>>>>> especially if you're going for a real Linux sysadmin job or doing any
>>>>>> other real Linux work since most of the young sighted competitors you have
>>>>>> will focus primarily on the graphical user interface.  This trend with the
>>>>>> younger Linux workers gets older managers frustrated when younger workers
>>>>>> either can't do something at all or take too long to do it because they're
>>>>>> using the mouse and the graphical user interface when some of the older
>>>>>> managers can do tasks with the text console and keyboard in half the time
>>>>>> or less.On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i think emacspeak are only for text console
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Duarte" <bryan0731 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:16 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am new to Linux and am having some trouble getting to learn the OS due
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the Orca screen reader. I will start off by letting you know I am on a
>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> book running Mountain Lion. I am running ubuntu 1204 in VMware fusion.
>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>> this point I am only able to preform commands which do not require the
>>>>>>>> Orca
>>>>>>>> modifier key. I read that the Orca modifier key is the "insert" key, but
>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> does not have an "insert" key. I have read several different posts of
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> describing a few key commands which simulate the insert key but none
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> worked for me. I also was told I can set my Orca configuration to
>>>>>>>> "laptop"
>>>>>>>> and then the "caps lock" key will act as the modifier, and yet again I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> unable to do this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now to the question at hand. Does anyone have some experience with this
>>>>>>>> issue who can help me get it working? If not can someone please let me
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> if EmacSpeak is a better option for linux? I have read lots of good
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> about emacSpeak but honestly have no idea how to switch from Orca to
>>>>>>>> emacSpeak. I am not bias to either screen reader I am just looking to
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> linux well enough to write some programs, use the terminal, and call it
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> familiar OS. I would greatly appreciate any help.
>>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>>>>>> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> one gets the prize? So run to win!
>>>>>>>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
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Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
Twitter: @blindambitions
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