Orca or EmacSpeak

Wed Jan 30 04:41:28 UTC 2013

To be completely honest I am not familiar with voxen at this point I am just trying to get to know Linux however possible. Currently no I am not getting an Orca window when I ALT tab around. In fact nothing is coming up when I ALT tab around. I am unsure if my Desktop even has anything on it because nothing I do brings anything up. If I press alt F1 I get a list of things like Applications and settings but under universal access there is Orca with no settings for it. A while back I was able to open orca settings but I forgot how I did it. I did install Gnome from the terminal a while back and when I launch ubuntu I select gnome classic with no effects. Does this matter for what I am trying to do? I did read to switch to laptop view but I am still trying to find where to do this. I cannot find orca settings anywhere. I will tell you what. If you tell me how to download and install it I will use whatever screen readers you recommend. I am not attached to orca in fact at this point I hate it because I cannot use it at all. If there is a better one you know of please let me know. I just need to be able to write some code, use the terminal, and possibly file management. I appreciate your help. 
On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? If you're using
> voxin, I'd just point you at the Oralux scripts for installing
> Emacspeak. If you'll be using eSpeak, I can send you the steps I
> recently went through to get Emacspeak working with eSpeak.
> 
> I can't help you with the Mac keyboard key issues.
> 
> With Orca, sounds like you need to switch to the laptop keyboard layout.
> In that case, the caps-lock key becomes your Orca key. If you haven't
> changed it, Orca should come up with the main screen where you can click
> on the settings and change the keyboard layout. If you alt+tab around,
> do you see an Orca screen? I usually just use caps-lock+space to bring
> up the Orca settings, but this is using the laptop keyboard layout. If
> you're using the desktop layout, you'd use insert+space, but if you
> don't have an insert key at all then I'm not sure what to tell you.
> 
> On 29/01/13 16:45, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>> Thank you Christopher,
>> 
>> Yes I would greatly appreciate your instructions. Any help to get me off and running would be greatly appreciated. I am really struggling to learn Linux for the reason I am running it on my Mac book. There is no insert key so I am unable to do the functions which require the use of the orca modifier key. I read there is a way to re map it but I cannot get to the place I do that. Ok I wont lie I cannot find anything on Linux yet. I have figured out how to get the settings open I believe by pressing ALT+F2 I think but that is it. Where would I find Orca settings? Is there a way to open them? I thank you for your help in advanced. I will eagerly wait for your instructions.  
>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Emacspeak isn't installed on Ubuntu by default, so unless you installed
>>> it yourself, it won't be there. It will run on Ubuntu 12.04 though.
>>> 
>>> You could use Emacspeak instead of Orca, if you're proficient with the
>>> command line, but I myself don't see them as competing technologies, but
>>> rather complimentary technologies. I have Orca running on my desktop,
>>> which gives me access to many of the GUI applications running on my
>>> desktop. I run Emacspeak in a console for most of my file management,
>>> editing and shell/command line needs.
>>> 
>>> Will you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? I could send you some
>>> instructions, but I'll need some time first. Also, are you using a
>>> 32-bit or 64-bit version of Ubuntu?
>>> 
>>> On 28/01/13 17:06, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>>>> THank you everyone for providing me with some feedback. I understand what EmacSpeak is but does it work on ubuntu 1204? I am pretty sure I saw EmacSpeak in the system prefs of my ubuntu. I could be wrong though. So to sum it up can I use eMacSpeak instead of Orca? Also how do I bring up the settings of the OS to find out if EmacSpeak is installed already? 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Think of it as a self voicing application, so it'll work whether you run
>>>>> it in the console or on the desktop.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28/01/13 05:19, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Run it and you go into the emacspeak environment and remain in the 
>>>>>> emacspeak environment until you shut emacspeak down.  I think a version 
>>>>>> of emacspeak has been built that will run on mac's and use the mac's 
>>>>>> resources to speak.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> how do you use emacspeak in graphical environment?
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:06 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> emacspeak provides its own environment not a text console.  You can run a
>>>>>>>> text console from emacspeak when necessary and doing so puts all of the
>>>>>>>> power tools in your hands Linux has to offer so it's an advantage to learn
>>>>>>>> especially if you're going for a real Linux sysadmin job or doing any
>>>>>>>> other real Linux work since most of the young sighted competitors you have
>>>>>>>> will focus primarily on the graphical user interface.  This trend with the
>>>>>>>> younger Linux workers gets older managers frustrated when younger workers
>>>>>>>> either can't do something at all or take too long to do it because they're
>>>>>>>> using the mouse and the graphical user interface when some of the older
>>>>>>>> managers can do tasks with the text console and keyboard in half the time
>>>>>>>> or less.On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> i think emacspeak are only for text console
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Duarte" <bryan0731 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:16 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am new to Linux and am having some trouble getting to learn the OS due
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the Orca screen reader. I will start off by letting you know I am on a
>>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>>> book running Mountain Lion. I am running ubuntu 1204 in VMware fusion.
>>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>>> this point I am only able to preform commands which do not require the
>>>>>>>>>> Orca
>>>>>>>>>> modifier key. I read that the Orca modifier key is the "insert" key, but
>>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>>> does not have an "insert" key. I have read several different posts of
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> describing a few key commands which simulate the insert key but none
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> worked for me. I also was told I can set my Orca configuration to
>>>>>>>>>> "laptop"
>>>>>>>>>> and then the "caps lock" key will act as the modifier, and yet again I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> unable to do this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Now to the question at hand. Does anyone have some experience with this
>>>>>>>>>> issue who can help me get it working? If not can someone please let me
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> if EmacSpeak is a better option for linux? I have read lots of good
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> about emacSpeak but honestly have no idea how to switch from Orca to
>>>>>>>>>> emacSpeak. I am not bias to either screen reader I am just looking to
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> linux well enough to write some programs, use the terminal, and call it
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> familiar OS. I would greatly appreciate any help.
>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>>>>>>>> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> one gets the prize? So run to win!
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
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>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
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