Orca or EmacSpeak

Albert Sten-Clanton albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net
Wed Jan 30 16:26:23 UTC 2013 

Chris, could you send me as well the steps you used for getting emacspeak to
work with espeak?  I'd be grateful indeed.  

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: blinux-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:57 PM
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Subject: Re: Orca or EmacSpeak

Would you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? If you're using voxin,
I'd just point you at the Oralux scripts for installing Emacspeak. If you'll
be using eSpeak, I can send you the steps I recently went through to get
Emacspeak working with eSpeak.

I can't help you with the Mac keyboard key issues.

With Orca, sounds like you need to switch to the laptop keyboard layout.
In that case, the caps-lock key becomes your Orca key. If you haven't
changed it, Orca should come up with the main screen where you can click on
the settings and change the keyboard layout. If you alt+tab around, do you
see an Orca screen? I usually just use caps-lock+space to bring up the Orca
settings, but this is using the laptop keyboard layout. If you're using the
desktop layout, you'd use insert+space, but if you don't have an insert key
at all then I'm not sure what to tell you.

On 29/01/13 16:45, Bryan Duarte wrote:
> Thank you Christopher,
> 
> Yes I would greatly appreciate your instructions. Any help to get me off
and running would be greatly appreciated. I am really struggling to learn
Linux for the reason I am running it on my Mac book. There is no insert key
so I am unable to do the functions which require the use of the orca
modifier key. I read there is a way to re map it but I cannot get to the
place I do that. Ok I wont lie I cannot find anything on Linux yet. I have
figured out how to get the settings open I believe by pressing ALT+F2 I
think but that is it. Where would I find Orca settings? Is there a way to
open them? I thank you for your help in advanced. I will eagerly wait for
your instructions.  
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
>> Emacspeak isn't installed on Ubuntu by default, so unless you 
>> installed it yourself, it won't be there. It will run on Ubuntu 12.04
though.
>>
>> You could use Emacspeak instead of Orca, if you're proficient with 
>> the command line, but I myself don't see them as competing 
>> technologies, but rather complimentary technologies. I have Orca 
>> running on my desktop, which gives me access to many of the GUI 
>> applications running on my desktop. I run Emacspeak in a console for 
>> most of my file management, editing and shell/command line needs.
>>
>> Will you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? I could send you 
>> some instructions, but I'll need some time first. Also, are you using 
>> a 32-bit or 64-bit version of Ubuntu?
>>
>> On 28/01/13 17:06, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>>> THank you everyone for providing me with some feedback. I understand
what EmacSpeak is but does it work on ubuntu 1204? I am pretty sure I saw
EmacSpeak in the system prefs of my ubuntu. I could be wrong though. So to
sum it up can I use eMacSpeak instead of Orca? Also how do I bring up the
settings of the OS to find out if EmacSpeak is installed already? 
>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Think of it as a self voicing application, so it'll work whether 
>>>> you run it in the console or on the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> On 28/01/13 05:19, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>> Run it and you go into the emacspeak environment and remain in the 
>>>>> emacspeak environment until you shut emacspeak down.  I think a 
>>>>> version of emacspeak has been built that will run on mac's and use 
>>>>> the mac's resources to speak.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how do you use emacspeak in graphical environment?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" 
>>>>>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>>> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:06 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> emacspeak provides its own environment not a text console.  You 
>>>>>>> can run a text console from emacspeak when necessary and doing 
>>>>>>> so puts all of the power tools in your hands Linux has to offer 
>>>>>>> so it's an advantage to learn especially if you're going for a 
>>>>>>> real Linux sysadmin job or doing any other real Linux work since 
>>>>>>> most of the young sighted competitors you have will focus 
>>>>>>> primarily on the graphical user interface.  This trend with the 
>>>>>>> younger Linux workers gets older managers frustrated when 
>>>>>>> younger workers either can't do something at all or take too 
>>>>>>> long to do it because they're using the mouse and the graphical 
>>>>>>> user interface when some of the older managers can do tasks with the
text console and keyboard in half the time or less.On Mon, 28 Jan 2013,
mattias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i think emacspeak are only for text console
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Duarte" 
>>>>>>>> <bryan0731 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:16 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Orca or EmacSpeak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am new to Linux and am having some trouble getting to learn 
>>>>>>>>> the OS due to the Orca screen reader. I will start off by 
>>>>>>>>> letting you know I am on a Mac book running Mountain Lion. I 
>>>>>>>>> am running ubuntu 1204 in VMware fusion.
>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>> this point I am only able to preform commands which do not 
>>>>>>>>> require the Orca modifier key. I read that the Orca modifier 
>>>>>>>>> key is the "insert" key, but Mac does not have an "insert" 
>>>>>>>>> key. I have read several different posts of people describing 
>>>>>>>>> a few key commands which simulate the insert key but none have 
>>>>>>>>> worked for me. I also was told I can set my Orca configuration 
>>>>>>>>> to "laptop"
>>>>>>>>> and then the "caps lock" key will act as the modifier, and yet 
>>>>>>>>> again I am unable to do this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now to the question at hand. Does anyone have some experience 
>>>>>>>>> with this issue who can help me get it working? If not can 
>>>>>>>>> someone please let me know if EmacSpeak is a better option for 
>>>>>>>>> linux? I have read lots of good things about emacSpeak but 
>>>>>>>>> honestly have no idea how to switch from Orca to emacSpeak. I 
>>>>>>>>> am not bias to either screen reader I am just looking to learn 
>>>>>>>>> linux well enough to write some programs, use the terminal, 
>>>>>>>>> and call it a familiar OS. I would greatly appreciate any 
>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>>>>>>> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone 
>>>>>>>>> runs, but only one gets the prize? So run to win!
>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science 
>>>>>>>>> Undergraduate
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @blindambitions
>>>>>>>>> Skype: bambryan
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>>> Bryan Duarte
>>> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but
only one gets the prize? So run to win!
>>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
>>> Twitter: @blindambitions
>>> Skype: bambryan
>>> "Blind Ambitions"
>>>
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> Bryan Duarte
> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but
only one gets the prize? So run to win!
> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate
> Twitter: @blindambitions
> Skype: bambryan
> "Blind Ambitions"
> 
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