just how much can you do with?

Christopher Chaltain chaltain at gmail.com
Sun Mar 3 01:24:16 UTC 2013

Evolution isn't accessible with Orca any more, and even when it was, it
was pretty cumbersome and slow. Orca works fine with Thunderbird, and I
actually prefer using thunderbird with Orca over say Thunderbird and

On 02/03/13 18:37, John G. Heim wrote:
> Interesting. I sure would like to switch to linux full time. I tried about 6 months ago and gave up in frustration. Mostly my frustration was with web browsing. I just could not fogure out what orca wanted me to do with firefox/iceweasel. And I couldn't find any documentation either. 
> I see you use Thunderbird for email. I am still using Windows at my job and switched over to Thunderbird for Windows recently. The previous time I tried to switch over to linux full time was about 5 years ago. At the time, everybody on the orca list was using evolution. I might be willing to try Thunderbird for linux since I'm already using Thunderbird for Windows. 
> I do linux system administration but I do all my work on a Windows machine via ssh. I'd like to switch to linux for my desktop too. First of all, I think it would look better. I don't like it when the linux users I am supposed to be supporting come in and see me using Windows. Plus, I think I'd do a better jobif I used linux full time.
> Maybe I'll try it one more time.
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Kyle wrote:
>> I have been using Linux exclusively since about 2010, and have been using it for about 90 to 95% of all my computing tasks since 2003. Each new Linux gets easier and easier to use without a steep learning curve, and I personally recommend it for everyday desktop use, both for command-line only use as well as for those who have been running Windows for years and need a graphical system that is easy to learn and use. Most new distributions don't need to be rebuilt every few days, and whereas Windows has become pretty much a toy these days, and in my opinion always has been a toy OS, Linux still allows you to do nearly everything efficiently and productively.
>> Some of the best Linux documentation can be found at the Linux Documentation Project
>> http://tldp.org/
>> and specific questions are asked and answered at
>> http://linuxquestions.org/
>> The Arch wiki also has extremely good general documentation, even if you don't use Arch Linux. Many other distros have their own wiki and other documentation as well.
>> As for working with "batch files," I am assuming you are referring to the rather limited Dos scripting language. Bash is still a bit limited compared to something like Python, but it is certainly much more flexible, while still being just as easy to use as the old Dos .bat files. I can do things in Bash that I never dreamed were possible in batch files, but at the same time, I can also create a Bash script that just executes a few commands, just like a batch file, but I can also use Bash functions for a job like this.
>> As for your method of learning, I can fully understand the easiest way for you to learn things, as I am pretty much the same way, although I also can learn new things quite easily just by searching the web for documentation and the like and then applying it to my specific situation. I probably am not in your area, so wouldn't be able to sit down with you and walk you through specific applications one-on-one, however, I actually do have some e-mail and phone-based personal support packages available,, as this is part of my line of work, along with building Linux-based PC's and replacing Windows with Linux-based OS's. If you would be interested in discussing your personal support options with me, feel free to contact me off-list.
>> ~Kyle
>> http://kyle.tk/.
>> -- 
>> "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?"
>> Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie"
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