just how much can you do with?

John G. Heim jheim at math.wisc.edu
Sun Mar 3 19:42:59 UTC 2013

My problem with orca and iceweasel is that the arro keys don't work. When I'm listening to a document in iceweasel, I can go from line to line with the arrow keys for a while and then at some point they don't work to continue down the document. Continuing to press the cursor keys just rereads the same text as if I was at the end of the document.

So I figured maybe you're not supposed to navigate a document with the cursor keys. That alone seems kind of lame. But I googled for tutorials on how to navigate a document with orca and came up empty. 

Lets not get into a screen reader religious war here. I'm not trying to trash orca. I'm trying to explain why my experiment with switching to linux full time failed. You will have to trust that I put a reasonable effort into trying orca. I just decided there were far too many glitches for it to be practical. 

I don't know if you want to bother showing me that I'm wrong. I am willing to listen though. 

On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Kyle wrote:

> According to John G. Heim:
> # Interesting. I sure would like to switch to linux full time. I tried about 6 months ago and gave up in frustration. Mostly my frustration was with web browsing. I just could not fogure out what orca wanted me to do with firefox/iceweasel. And I couldn't find any documentation either.
> Where specifically were you having trouble with Firefox/Iceweasel? Some of the first things to keep in mind is that Firefox is kept updated better than Iceweasel, so newer versions of Firefox work better with Orca, and that Orca uses no virtual buffers or form modes, so you experience a page layout that is more similar to the real page layout. Additionally, since Orca doesn't need a form mode of any kind, you can simply tab onto a textbox or dropdown list and have the ability to just type in it, arrow through it, etc. You also may want to open your Orca preferences for Firefox by pressing control insert space from any web page and turn off "Automatically start speaking a page when it is first loaded." This will save you a lot of slowdowns and headaches, as Orca will simply report that the page has finished loading and possibly the link you are on, if applicable. Hope this helps.
> ~Kyle
> http://kyle.tk/
>> I see you use Thunderbird for email. I am still using Windows at my job and switched over to Thunderbird for Windows recently. The previous time I tried to switch over to linux full time was about 5 years ago. At the time, everybody on the orca list was using evolution. I might be willing to try Thunderbird for linux since I'm already using Thunderbird for Windows.
>> I do linux system administration but I do all my work on a Windows machine via ssh. I'd like to switch to linux for my desktop too. First of all, I think it would look better. I don't like it when the linux users I am supposed to be supporting come in and see me using Windows. Plus, I think I'd do a better jobif I used linux full time.
>> Maybe I'll try it one more time
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