a more simple question?

Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net
Tue Mar 5 03:53:43 UTC 2013

since you are assuming I have disks I do not I will explain again.
  Last spring or so, we had all the discussion on the speakup list about a 
talking installation of wheezy etc.
No sighted assistance required.
so I had an install disk burned.
Put it into a machine with reasonably appropriate hardware, and tried and 
tried.  No sound no speech no reason why.
No major hardship as I do  not want software speech anyway, but it 
could not find the dec either, could not get past the first 
barrier to install, etc. etc.
I would later learn that apparently? there is a problem with speech in 
wheezy, but I thought I could by pass this anyway.  Use the start up, then 
tell debian where the DVD images were.  the bios of the machine could not 
boot from the usb port, go figure?
needless to say that sent me back to having the present new machine built 
for this current drive etc.
My asking about Samuel's instructions for using  other  install media
  started this entire thread on the debian list about install media, 
Samuele's instruction about routing the  install to another install media 
type did not work.
I. was. not. getting. anywhere.
and this from a simple talking ahem, install?
To burn enough of debian to cd for making it worth my while would have 
taken far more than 8 DVDs.
then there was actually the assumption that you are installing over the 
Internet, which I was not doing and on and on.

As I said before, my computers are tools not toys.  I do not experiment 
with them for kicks, because the results like the above.
I find professionals, I spend some time and I learn in person what is 
required to run what I wish to use...end of story.

There is no set of install cds here, is that more clear?
The firm rely ability of such an experience without extra help is anyone 
guess...which is why the person  decided to just put debian or some of it 
onto a drive, without install disks provided and sent it along.
Did I want to install it myself?  You bet, so I would know fully what I 
had and how to use it...but most of the documentation is in the system 
itself, and you have to translate confusing information into 
something usable ha ha.
I got and read the debian installation guide, which was really cool..until I 
started asking questions, only to find oh no that is not what you do etc.
There are as many different approaches to installing things as there are 
people, which is fine for playtime, but I do not run my computers by 

On Saturday I will connect this machine to the dsl modem after doing what 
I know will work configuring my  dos machine for high speed.
If it finds the network card, terrific, if it does not, I am certainly not 
going to write over the install present.
I probably have four emails from the person who did it saying be careful 
or you will write over the install.


On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Hi, you're looking for the inet install cd.  If you put that in to the
> computer it will run for a few seconds then stop.  When it does, hit s and
> then hit enter.  That s tells debian you want it to talk to you.  You can
> put each cd in the cd drive and try typing volname /dev/sr0 and if
> /dev/sr0 is found you'll her your cd spin up and then debian will tell you
> what the electronic label is on that disk.  This only works on iso9960
> images so that's how you can tell iso9960 disks from other formats when
> those don't work.  Hope this helps you.  There is a main menu on demand
> archive of podcasts and debian installation is covered on one of these.
> That's how I found out how to install debian myself.On Mon, 4 Mar 2013,
> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> That is exactly what I hope I will not need to do.
>> although I feared that might be needful.
>> I have 6 or more DVD images of the entire debian squeeze structure.  None of
>> which got used because someone else  in America put  some of debian on a hard
>> drive and mailed it to me.
>> I have no idea fully what is here, and again not finding the in person
>> training have no real way of discovering without risking damaging the install
>> already here.
>> It is funny, since Paul brought up the 63 k packages in debian.
>> I asked on the Debian discussion list about installing the entire thing, so I
>> could in theory examine the say 20 media players included, or discover
>> programs I might not know exist that might be useful.
>> I was told that no no one really uses all of it.  In fact even on the speak up
>> list Samuel would say, you do not need more than the first couple of images.
>> What I do not understand though is why?
>> Others here have talked of the complexities.  I am going to find that article
>> about Linux and its limitations in the consumer market,  mostly because there
>> is so much of it.
>> Such to my mind is why more and more you find the watered down GUI efforts
>> that may be less accessible.  People trying to reduce the expansive to
>> manageable levels.
>> Please understand, I applaud how versatile the structure is.  But if it does
>> not translate into  swift and efficient mastering what is the point?
>> Paul's comment about Dos hobbyist made me laugh, because the same can be said
>> for Linux...but more of them...with different ideas and different goals etc.
>> I looked at Professor Tim's tutorial on key mapping and was reminded why I
>> want a human in person thank you very much.
>> I am very serious that there are things I know can only be done well in Linux,
>> Lillypond for example which I very much want to use professionally.
>> Audacity is another one, possible Hindenburg Journalist if there is a Linux
>> port of it by now.
>> But I recall asking about doing a task on the debian list only to find that it
>> took four    program to accomplish what I can manage with one elsewhere.
>> It is like someone writing a program to serve as half a hand clap.  A left
>> hand program, but you have to use another program for the right hand and a
>> third to make them clap together lol.
>> i will not be dumping shellworld for stand alone Linux  though, no need.
>> And if I have to start over meaning the network is not found, then I will be
>> waiting to find real in person wisdom for sure.
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> If the needed drivers are on the debian installation disk I'd start
>>> install up again in this situation, choose language and keyboard and
>>> country, then hit m to drop to menu and choose the number for configure
>>> network off that menu.  If the disk is able to set up a network connection
>>> for you you choose dhcp or pppoe or bootp you'l be able to drop back to
>>> menu and exit out of menu and reboot the system with your network setup
>>> still operational.
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