some bees nest stirring, was just how much can you do with?

Karen Lewellen klewellen at
Tue Mar 5 17:54:34 UTC 2013

it is all a matter of how one wants to spend the energy.  YOutube is not 
the only place for video content, and Tim indicated that I may not be able 
to say attend a webnir live in Linux either.

but honestly I have been successfully using 
broadband for years now...I have more memory in my dos machine then likely 
is in this Linux box, and I do what I need to so there are no memory 
No. big. deal. for me because it is important.
It is also worth it to me having my machines built instead of buying them 
off the shelf.
I know people who have gone through 10 or 12 computers to my three or 
I know first hand from my experience that the so called effortless Linux 
install is  a joke.
I know first hand based on my personal experience that I can do easily 
what I desire to do in DOS with a little  effort.
this is 100% my personal experience, and I would never suggest it will be 
anyone Else's.
Your Linux experience clearly varies, just as y dos one varies from 
Neither are discounted by the other, they are just different.


On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Also, I forgot to mention that I don't think DOS works very well with 
> broadband, or at least I never got it to work.  Even if you find a packet 
> driver for your network card and actually get the Lynx port to work, you'll 
> be limited to fairly slow download speeds just due to the fact that DOS has 
> memory limitations and is not multitasking.  A multitasking OS can dedicate a 
> process just to downloading and has a lot better memory management.  Where 
> this applies to you is getting back to things like YouTube, where you really 
> can't use a graphical browser in DOS and would need to download the video 
> locally.  Also, since the packet driver itself takes memory and Lynx uses 
> quite a bit of memory, not to mention your screen reader needing a good 
> chunk, you'll rapidly lock up your system just due to the 640 KB limitation. 
> You can load some things in upper memory and some things run in protected 
> mode, but TSRs don't as I understand it and the amount of upper memory is 
> also limited due to DOS limitations.  Taking the youtube-dl script, it 
> requires Python.  I think there might be an ancient version of Python for 
> DOS, but it's probably too old to work, and again you're back to running out 
> of memory as any modern interpreter will take a lot.
> As a final note, if you ever get a modern machine with a plug and play 
> network card, DOS won't work with it because it won't have a static IRQ.
> On 3/5/2013 1:21 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
>>  OK, a couple of quick thoughts, based on my own experience. Yes, you can
>>  run
>>  Lynx, etc from DOS. However, it's much, much slower and requires messin
>>  around with packet drivers and dial-up networking. Linux has that built-in
>>  automatically and almost always just works. I never got Lynx to run in
>>  plain
>>  DOS because I couldn't find a packet driver and TCP/IP software for my
>>  network card, which is one of the big reasons why I switched to Windows 98
>>  and the command prompt. The second issue is that, due to DOS memory
>>  limitations, the ports will have a lot less features unless they use djgpp
>>  and a DOS extender to get around the 640 KB limit. That's called protected
>>  mode and again, Linux doesn't have that limitation. Finally, Lynx at least
>>  used direct screen writes, so Vocal-Eyes didn't automatically read the
>>  screen without a set file. In Linux and Cygwin, it was able to read fine
>>  on
>>  its own because it used BIOS writes. Lynx in Linux is literally at least
>>  twice as fast as DOS as I'm sure you've seen from Shellworld.
>>  On 3/4/2013 11:03 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> >  Still if elinks and mplayer exist ported for DOS, why go through the 
>> >  extreme
>> >  mayhem of finding someone local enough to learn speakup and ora and so 
>> >  forth
>> >  to teach me in the first place?
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