a very challenging question?

Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net
Sat Dec 27 02:25:54 UTC 2014

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014, Tim Chase wrote:

> No sweat -- I'm very much from the school of "whatever works for you
> to get things done".  The biggest reasons to hang onto the shellworld
> account would include (1) that's where your email already comes so
> you wouldn't have to update all your contacts with a new email
> address, (2) somebody else manages the headache of administering and
> backing up your space there, and (3) if something gets screwed up,
> it's someone else's headache. That 2nd one is usually worth the price
> alone (and part of why I have a hosting service).

Actually, those are not even necessarily the major advantages.
I consider my computer to be a tool, not a toy.  the ability to manage not 
just my shellworld emails, but two gmail ones, swiftly access pdf rtf word 
and other file types.  Quickly access information,  and communicate with associates 
to send files of any size, including audio, and when I incorporate my use 
of DOS create files in a variety of formats, now that is starting to get 
The absence of this level of efficiency in another platform  would keep 
me here even without all the icing on the frosting.

  > > Advantages of migrating some of the services from 
shellworld: >
> - If you migrate all of them, you can cancel your shellworld
>  account and save the cost you were paying.  I don't know what that
>  costs, but given that I would generally want to keep my email
>  address the same if I could, it would have to be a pretty steep
>  cost for me to consider switching.

See above lol!

> - you can install whatever you want and aren't beholden to whatever
>  limitations that shellworld might impose on you.  Though if
>  shellworld really is running FreeBSD and it's a somewhat modern
>  version, you might be able to get the admins to create a jail in
>  which you can play and install whatever you want.

I have no idea why I would want to do that honestly.
Now, the *only* real disadvantage to shellworld is not being able to 
directly access, as in follow a link to and reach, media presentation 
That is the only  function another open source box can present, assuming 
that my ssh tellneting to it would not present the same barrier.
Shellworld is really freebsd, says so when I log in.

> - security of keeping your data locally rather than entrusting it to
>  some other 3rd party

Are you kidding?
Shellworld does backups nightly, and I have lost data here once in  over a 

> - it's a learning experience and can be a lot of fun.

I am a media  and entertainment professional managing a couple of 
companies,   I tend to 
choose my learning experiences based on what translates into  the best use 
of my time.>
learning to grow plants is a learning experience and fun,  learning to 
reprogram an operating system that is constantly in flux, is not...or not 
for me lol.

> I think if I were in your situation, I'd do what you suggest and keep
> both.
Gee, thanks dad lol!

>> having elinks working with java scripting in place alone is worth
>> the price I pay  for shellworld.
> I was reading through how to activate javascript in elinks and it
> does seem to require jumping through some hoops.

I imagine it would, and someone uses their professionally energy doing 
that jumping, leaving me to use my professional energy in other ways, while 
appreciating their effort.
> Okay, cool.  It's easier to help when I know for certain that it
> actually is SSH instead of telnet.

I corrected the name ssh2021b. is the real one.  has ssh telnet and 
sftp..with other  things.

> Can you connect to it on your local network but not get it to connect
> to the internet?

I cannot connect to it at all, local international or cyber.  learning 
what is or is not present with this box will require the physical presence 
of a human in
  person sitting in my office,  who knows debian, and uses the same "what 
works best for you," dictionary.

> A common situation I've found is that an ISP will only give out one
> IP address.  If you have that coming into a switch (rather than a
> router with NAT, Network Address Translation), the first device on
> the network gets the one allocated IP address, and anything else is
> hosed.  Usually you need a router connected into your DSL modem.  The
> router takes that one public IP address and then hands out private
> internal IP addresses to all the devices that connect to it (your
> DOS machine, your Linux box, any mobile devices you might have, your
> coffee-pot, fridge, etc). If that's what you already have configured,
> then it would take some more detective work.

Actually according to my DSL provide I believe I can
  have 4 ip addresses. Still the modem /rooter combination sitting on my 
desk  solves the problem of   any other items needing to connect.  It has 
ports for conventional Ethernet, and will work with wireless devices too.
Equally, in theory, the second host, the one for my media nonprofit, gives me 
ip addresses as well.  I could just set up the server using one of 
those...if that were the only issue.

> But that would be my first stop in trouble-shooting since Linux
> home-networking usually comes up with zero fuss.
to each his own.

>> Toronto with either the skill, or the ability to understand the
> Hrm.  A shame that Dallas and Toronto are so far apart.  It sounds
> like a fun undertaking to me.  If you/we can manage to get the
> Linux machine online, I'd be glad to remote into it to help in
> whatever way I can.

that's kind, not to sound low in positive energy, but  one of the 
unique things about Linux users at least as I have observed them 
  is the  automatic assumption that you *must* build an entirely new house, 
there way, even if you just have a spot in your carpet.
This is not a remote project, networking must be done in person first.  I 
am welcome to play with the structure myself, via ssh telnet, letting me use 
my already functional speech, if I can get into the box at all.
If I had zero interest, it would not be taking up space in my studio.
I appreciate what the command line environment at shellworld gives me. 
duplicating that environment in order to fill in the few gaps I have where 
shellworld is concerned would be worth it to me.
But only those gaps.

> -tim
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