Are w3c Standards Only for windows Sites-and-users?

John G. Heim jheim at
Tue Jul 1 14:44:58 UTC 2014

Dude, why are you bringing up a debate everyone agreed to disagree about 
weeks ago?

On 07/01/14 09:10, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Only if windows browsers and windows are the only software and operating
> systems permitted to connect to the internet.
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014, John G. Heim wrote:
>> But access for all  doesn't mean a web site has to support all browsers. You
>> have a right to use whatever browser yu like but a web site doesn't have to
>> work with your choice of browser.  By no means do I mean to criticize your
>> decision to stick with speakup and lynx but that's a decision you've made. You
>> can't expect web sites to accomodate your decision.
>> Notethat what I say above is not the same (logically) as saying that it's okay
>> for web designers to write for specific browsers. That's not what I am saying
>> and logically, it's not the same thing. As a practical matter, your choice of
>> browser and screen reader will always be limited by the technical issues
>> involved with making sites accessible. Web designers have a right to code
>> their sites for browsers that are kept up to date technically.
>> On 06/13/2014 11:23 PM, Hart Larry wrote:
>>> Wow, I suppose we in Linux may need our own version of a Civil Rights Bill.
>>> HEheHEheHEheHE
>>> Ther is a large Grocery chain which was involved in a settlement-and-just
>>> upgraded, or supposedly made its site accessible to all shoppers.
>>> Until March of 2010 I was able to shop this site in Linux, maybe not
>>> perfect, but if I were careful I filled out everything fine. Beginning in
>>> April 2010, no matter which Linux browser or JAWS I couldn't shop any more.
>>> In their separate access site, their help FAQ said they did not use any
>>> complicated scripting such as javascript or css, however, in the
>>> source-code, there they were.
>>> Well, now April 30 has come-and-gone, I still cannot shop in either L Y N X
>>> or E L I N K S. When shopping by eile I notice items in a catagory, but none
>>> of them have any links to add to my cart.
>>> So today intouch with a CSR, who found it, I can try chrome vox or fire vox.
>>> I tried looking for these with an "apt-get" in Debian, cannot find. Are
>>> these only for graphical browsers such as in an x11 display?
>>> I was told that w3c requirements may give them choices of either html,
>>> javascript, or css?
>>> So if they are permitted to write a site which would not work for many
>>> users, if they were picking 2 of those 3 choices, how is that access for
>>> all?
>>> So many times especially during the last 2years, an onis is always on myself
>>> to possibly run windows  or maybe ask asistance of some1 running a graphical
>>> setup.
>>>>  From what I hear, L Y N X will maybe never have javascript support.
>>> So what happens next? If indeede the standards give site owners leeway in
>>> leaving out a group of users, as well as a potential revenue loss. Or even
>>> worse, what happens if they drop delivery because of lack of shoppers?
>>> Thanks alot for listening-and-I welcom all of your ideas-and-suggestions.
>>> I did try Orca many years ago but it was `quite slow, but also even in
>>> Speakup in software speech, the volume was lo in I B M tts. I am running
>>> Speakup with a DecTalk U S B.
>>> Hart
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