whole bunch of questions!

Al Sten-Clanton albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net
Fri Jul 11 17:02:59 UTC 2014

Thank you very much for that info.


On 7/11/2014 12:48 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
> In debian stable (weezy) and testing (jessie), speakup with software
> speech crashes if you start orca. A fix may be in ubuntu because it's
> also in the old version of sonar which was based on ubuntu. I didn't
> check out how they did it but they probably compiled espeak with
> pulseaudio instead of alsa. IMO, the espeakpackage developers should
> make this an installation option.
> To reproduce the fix:
> 1. apt-get install libpulse-dev libsonic-dev
> 2. apt-get source espeak
> 3. cd espeak-1.6.42/src/
> 4. Edit the Makefile. Comment out the line that says to use portaudio
> and uncomment the line that says to use pulseaudio. Or use this diff:
> 0c30
> < AUDIO = portaudio
> ---
>  > #AUDIO = portaudio
> 33c33
> < #AUDIO = pulseaudio
> ---
>  > AUDIO = pulseaudio
> 5. make
> 6. make install
> On 07/11/14 08:46, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
>> As a practical point in favor of Vinux, I gather that its developers
>> have worked out getting Orca and Speakup to function together in the
>> troublesome land of Pulseaudio, but on Wheezy this is not true.  Is this
>> correct?
>> Al
>> On 7/11/2014 7:56 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>> I agree, there's no purpose to argue the point, since I'll just start
>>> repeating myself. I will say though that the admonishment to avoid
>>> updates because they might break accessibility is no longer on the Vinux
>>> site. This has been true since Vinux 4.0 and it may even go back to the
>>> last Vinux 3.X.
>>> On 07/11/2014 02:29 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
>>>> I'm not going to argue the point with you, but look at what happened to
>>>> Oralux.  It's long dead with no more support.  I believe there are
>>>> only a
>>>> few active developers working on Vinux.  If one of them loses interest
>>>> and
>>>> moves on, that's about 1/3 or 1/4 of the development team.  Even if
>>>> they
>>>> don't lose interest, what if they have a long-term illness?  Life
>>>> happens,
>>>> like it or not.  Debian has about 1,000 developers, so if one quits,
>>>> there
>>>> are still 999 left.  There are literally thousands of messages on the
>>>> debian-user list every month and tens of thousands of questions in the
>>>> Ubuntu forums.  I really doubt if Vinux has that much traffic.  The
>>>> fact is
>>>> that most sighted people don't know anything about the blind, don't
>>>> want to
>>>> know and don't have the interest to support the blind even if they
>>>> took the
>>>> time and effort.  There are other issues as well, such as a note on the
>>>> Vinux site to not install any Ubuntu updates because they might break
>>>> the
>>>> speech support.  Besides the obvious issue of not gettine newer
>>>> packages
>>>> with possibly better accessibility, your system is left wide open to
>>>> security exploits.  That was Vinux 3.X, so hopefully 4.X fixes that.
>>>> If you
>>>> run Debian stable and choose to upgrade your packages, you won't have
>>>> system
>>>> breakage.  If you run testing and upgrade Gnome, you could lose
>>>> speech, but
>>>> that's your choice and the price you pay for running testing.
>>>> Otherwise,
>>>> you're at the mercy of the Vinux developers to come out with a new
>>>> version.
>>>> On 2014-07-10 08:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>> I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure what you
>>>>> mean by
>>>>>> The other problem with a specialized
>>>>>> Linux is the lack of support.  There are tens of thousands of Debian
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Ubuntu users while there are only a few dedicated Vinux users and
>>>>>> developers.
>>>>> It's true there are fewer people using and developing Vinux, but all
>>>>> of the
>>>>> support you get from Ubuntu also applies to Vinux. I find the
>>>>> answers to
>>>>> many more questions on my system running Vinux from the Ubuntu forums
>>>>> than I
>>>>> do the Vinux mailing list, wiki or IRC channel.
>>>>> Vinux developers are just making a lot of the changes you'd be making
>>>>> yourself on your own Ubuntu install, so in addition to being able to
>>>>> leverage all of the support out there for Ubuntu, you also get
>>>>> support for
>>>>> the changes you want to make to make your own system more accessible
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>> I'm not trying to talk up Vinux at the expense of Ubuntu or Debian.
>>>>> Going to
>>>>> Linux is all about choice. I just don't want people to get the
>>>>> impression
>>>>> that if they choose Vinux they'll be on their own.
>>>>> Note that this also applies to other distributions customized for the
>>>>> blind,
>>>>> such as Sonar, although Sonar is moving to a Arch based distribution
>>>>> instead
>>>>> of Ubuntu.
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