Are w3c Standards Only for windows Sites-and-users?

John G. Heim jheim at
Mon Jun 16 16:18:44 UTC 2014

But access for all  doesn't mean a web site has to support all browsers. 
You have a right to use whatever browser yu like but a web site doesn't 
have to work with your choice of browser.  By no means do I mean to 
criticize your decision to stick with speakup and lynx but that's a 
decision you've made. You can't expect web sites to accomodate your 

Notethat what I say above is not the same (logically) as saying that 
it's okay for web designers to write for specific browsers. That's not 
what I am saying and logically, it's not the same thing. As a practical 
matter, your choice of browser and screen reader will always be limited 
by the technical issues involved with making sites accessible. Web 
designers have a right to code their sites for browsers that are kept up 
to date technically.

On 06/13/2014 11:23 PM, Hart Larry wrote:
> Wow, I suppose we in Linux may need our own version of a Civil Rights 
> Bill. HEheHEheHEheHE
> Ther is a large Grocery chain which was involved in a 
> settlement-and-just upgraded, or supposedly made its site accessible 
> to all shoppers.
> Until March of 2010 I was able to shop this site in Linux, maybe not 
> perfect, but if I were careful I filled out everything fine. Beginning 
> in April 2010, no matter which Linux browser or JAWS I couldn't shop 
> any more. In their separate access site, their help FAQ said they did 
> not use any complicated scripting such as javascript or css, however, 
> in the source-code, there they were.
> Well, now April 30 has come-and-gone, I still cannot shop in either L 
> Y N X or E L I N K S. When shopping by eile I notice items in a 
> catagory, but none of them have any links to add to my cart.
> So today intouch with a CSR, who found it, I can try chrome vox or 
> fire vox. I tried looking for these with an "apt-get" in Debian, 
> cannot find. Are these only for graphical browsers such as in an x11 
> display?
> I was told that w3c requirements may give them choices of either html, 
> javascript, or css?
> So if they are permitted to write a site which would not work for many 
> users, if they were picking 2 of those 3 choices, how is that access 
> for all?
> So many times especially during the last 2years, an onis is always on 
> myself to possibly run windows  or maybe ask asistance of some1 
> running a graphical setup.
>> From what I hear, L Y N X will maybe never have javascript support.
> So what happens next? If indeede the standards give site owners leeway 
> in leaving out a group of users, as well as a potential revenue loss. 
> Or even worse, what happens if they drop delivery because of lack of 
> shoppers?
> Thanks alot for listening-and-I welcom all of your ideas-and-suggestions.
> I did try Orca many years ago but it was `quite slow, but also even in 
> Speakup in software speech, the volume was lo in I B M tts. I am 
> running Speakup with a DecTalk U S B.
> Hart
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