Sighted help

Al Sten-Clanton albert.e.sten_clanton at
Thu Aug 20 21:33:48 UTC 2015

I doubt that dignity is an issue, although maybe I have the wrong notion 
of what dignity is.

Also, the issue isn't really about getting sighted help as such.  I do 
need sighted help from time to time with various things, just as I need 
other kinds of help and just as sighted people need various kinds of 
help.  Maybe somebody will show me I'm wrong, but even developing the 
tools we use to do things ourselves sometimes requires sighted help.

I think the potent issue with computers and the many ways we use them is 
whether the folks who develop and revise this stuff take our need for 
full access as seriously as they take their own or that of their other 
users.  Too many don't, dismissing our small number rather than thinking 
of how it would be if they had to use their computers with no screen and 
maybe no mouse.  For those who know the problem and choose to ignore it, 
I'd guess we're not peers, but inconvenient life forms.  *That* is the 
regular frustration.


On 8/20/2015 4:54 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Holmberg <anders at> writes:
>      >> screen so I need speech, but I should not need to ask someone to
>      >> literally look over my shoulder to install an operating system on
>      >> my computer.  That, to me, is a dignity issue.  How many sighted
>      >> people do you know who would ask someone to do the same?  Not
>      >> many.  They would either give up or complain.
> I'm all for making OSes easier to install for the blind.
> However, after the number of hours I've spent helping sighted folks
> install Windows, Mac, Linux, you name it, if I need to go ask someone
> for a bit of help on a OS install, well, I've earned it.
> Sorry, but I've run into a lot of sighted people who I've sat there
> walking through all sorts of installs.
> It happens, we help each other out.
> Dignity is within; you can't take mine away no matter how many times you
> help me watch the pattern of blinking lights or read the screen.
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