How did people here learn GUIs

Sam Hartman hartmans at
Sun Jul 17 20:57:00 UTC 2016

>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.boyer at> writes:

    John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted
    John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the
    John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much
    John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document
    John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something.  i've tried
    John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled
    John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA
    John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws.

This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know
how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all.
I don't know  if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the
question around.

I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of
doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that.

I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to
get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing.
That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen
readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a
scroll bar if I wanted to.
So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done
just understanding the mouse operations.

Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you
know if I come up with anything that might help at all.


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