How did people here learn GUIs

Anders Holmberg anders at
Sun Jul 17 22:29:39 UTC 2016

Thats intresting.
I am the total oposit guy.
I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is to hard.
Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave that up for windows a couple of years.
Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx.
I whish i was patient enough to learn command line.
Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartmans at> wrote:
>>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.boyer at> writes:
>    John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted
>    John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the
>    John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much
>    John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document
>    John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something.  i've tried
>    John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled
>    John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA
>    John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws.
> This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know
> how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all.
> I don't know  if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the
> question around.
> I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of
> doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that.
> I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to
> get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing.
> That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen
> readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a
> scroll bar if I wanted to.
> So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done
> just understanding the mouse operations.
> Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you
> know if I come up with anything that might help at all.
> --Sam
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