How did people here learn GUIs

John J. Boyer john.boyer at
Mon Jul 18 16:53:41 UTC 2016

My experience is that most blind people like a GUI with a screen reader 
better than the command line. Those who have teouble with GUIs, like me, 
seem to be decidedly in the minority.


On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:29:39AM +0200, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Thats intresting.
> I am the total oposit guy.
> I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is to hard.
> Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave that up for windows a couple of years.
> Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx.
> I whish i was patient enough to learn command line.
> Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy.
> /A
> > On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartmans at> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.boyer at> writes:
> > 
> >    John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted
> >    John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the
> >    John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much
> >    John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document
> >    John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something.  i've tried
> >    John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled
> >    John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA
> >    John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws.
> > 
> > This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know
> > how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all.
> > I don't know  if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the
> > question around.
> > 
> > I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of
> > doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that.
> > 
> > I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to
> > get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing.
> > That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen
> > readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a
> > scroll bar if I wanted to.
> > So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done
> > just understanding the mouse operations.
> > 
> > Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you
> > know if I come up with anything that might help at all.
> > 
> > --Sam
> > 
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