How did people here learn GUIs

Jude DaShiell jdashiel at
Thu Jul 28 16:34:55 UTC 2016

I found writing to console when doing a visualbasic project was very 
stable and not at all flakey.  This was in Windows 7 and that was with 
jaws at work.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:23:05
> From: Janina Sajka <janina at>
> Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at>
> To: blinux-list at
> Subject: Re: How did people here learn GUIs
> One might hope for this, but I suspect there's a builtin problem with
> Windows screen readers. Are any of them any good with text output in the
> terminal? I haven't tried recently myself, but I don't see as there's
> been any reason for them to get any better this way.
> Decades ago we had pretty powerful screen readers for DOS, and we
> certainly have a very powerful screen reader on Linux consoles in
> Speakup. But, without something similarly capable, I don't see how cli
> based apps are going to attract blind users on Windows. Sad, actually.
> Janina
> Devin Prater writes:
>> Well, now that bash is everywhere, perhaps we'll see a console comeback, at least for the blind. I could see great email clients and web browsers come out of this. But then again, it may just be a sort of forgotten thing, on the fringes of knowledge, like the windows command-line is for most users.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at> wrote:
>>> Well, I need to still look into this more myself, so I don't have all the answers yet like those of you who have explored this more already, but I'm not sure why this has to be a half baked solution. Also, even though developers have been dealing with cross platform development for a while doesn't mean it can't be improved or that this won't open up some more opportunities for developers to quickly make some applications available on multiple platforms. I'm also thinking of the cloud where developers might want to manage multiple operating systems, like Windows and Ubuntu running in clouds such as Azure or AWS. Providing the ability to quickly build a framework based on tools common to both Windows and Ubuntu seems like it would be a good idea in this situation.
>>> For me, I like seeing new innovative things being done and offered. Let things like this be made available and see if any bright developers or users out there want to take advantage of it. If it doesn't work then it doesn't harm me at all, but if it does then who knows what I'll now have access to. I'm just glad there are people out there trying new things and not just listening to the nay sayers who are happy with what they have and think everyone else should be as well.
>>>> On 24/07/16 12:27, Kyle wrote:
>>>> I'm not exactly sure why developers would want this either. Windows
>>>> developers already had Visual Studio, which they apparently love, and
>>>> GNU/Linux developers will continue using GNU/Linux, where all the
>>>> development software anyone could dream of is free and open source.
>>>> Developers, more even than regular users, want a complete solution, not
>>>> some half-baked attempt at GNU in a Microsoft environment. They will
>>>> either go for 100% Microsoft in the Windows + Visual Studio, or they
>>>> will develop for GNU/Linux. Cross-platform developers will continue
>>>> doing what they have always done, which means running multiple OS's and
>>>> building for each one individually. I guess maybe people building
>>>> Rockbox who have used GNU/Linux to build it for years will possibly be
>>>> able to fully build it in a Windows environment without Cygwin, but
>>>> what's the point, especially when they've already been using GNU/Linux
>>>> for years to do that?
>>>> Sent from a sign o' the times
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