Orca & tbird issues
janina at rednote.net
Fri Nov 11 19:31:06 UTC 2016
Sticking to the familiar makes a ton of sense. Switching is hard work,
because learning the new tool is hard work.
Years, many years ago I used pine as my tool. I finally left it for mutt
for one simple reason--I could delete an entire thread of email with a
single keystroke action. In pine that was 4 distinct actions, as I
recall. I was miserable for the first couple months of using mutt, but
I'm very glad I switched.
John G Heim writes:
> There is a reason why apps like Thunderbird and Microsoft Office are so
> popular. They are easy and efficient. Thunderbird worked pretty well with
> orca for many years. I'm not going to change email clients every time some
> bug develops. I'd go crazy. These bugs are enough to make me change
> eventually. But I have hopes they'll be fixed.
> On 11/10/2016 08:36 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
> > terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
> > should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
> > terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
> > screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
> > the gui terminal.
> > It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
> > up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
> > pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
> > focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
> > from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
> > command fixes that.
> > Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
> > Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
> > list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.
> > As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
> > careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
> > blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
> > same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
> > lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.
> > Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
> > gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
> > the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
> > Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."
> > I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
> > browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
> > familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
> > factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.
> > Janina
> > Tim Chase writes:
> > > On November 9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> > > > Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
> > > > always used a web browser to check my e-mail.
> > > I think the big advantage is off-line usage. If you are connected
> > > all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
> > > internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
> > > then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems. But when
> > > internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
> > > access to your email offline. Fortunately, there are lots of
> > > options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
> > > (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
> > > within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
> > > "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
> > > available within emacs).
> > >
> > > -tim
> > >
> > >
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