Orca & tbird issues

Christopher Chaltain chaltain at gmail.com
Mon Nov 14 01:26:49 UTC 2016

Thunderbird has control+r for reply to sender, control+shift+r for reply 
to all and control+shift+l for reply to list.

On 10/11/16 08:36, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
> terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
> should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
> terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
> screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
> the gui terminal.
> It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
> up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
> pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
> focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
> from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
> command fixes that.
> Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
> Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
> list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.
> As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
> careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
> blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
> same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
> lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.
> Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
> gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
> the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
> Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."
> I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
> browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
> familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
> factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.
> Janina
> Tim Chase writes:
>> On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
>>> Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
>>> always used a web browser to check my e-mail.
>> I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
>> all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
>> internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
>> then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
>> internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
>> access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
>> options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
>> (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
>> within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
>> "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
>> available within emacs).
>> -tim
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